[12:12] <seaLne> dapper to edgy is very unsmooth today
[12:13] <seaLne> decide to upgrade work lappy
[12:13] <seaLne> Preparing to replace koffice-libs 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (using .../koffice-libs_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[12:13] <seaLne> Unpacking replacement koffice-libs ...
[12:13] <seaLne> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-libs_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:13] <seaLne>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/krossrunner', which is also in package koshell
[12:13] <seaLne> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[12:24] <seaLne> bad i now have a completly useless machine
[12:28] <imbrandon> try removing koffice and reinstalling it when done
[12:37] <imbrandon> heya danimo
[12:37] <danimo> heya!
[12:37] <danimo> imbrandon: kickoff is on svn. if you are brave enough... :)
[12:37] <imbrandon> WOW 
[12:38] <danimo> s/on/in/
[12:38] <imbrandon> yes i've been waiting
[12:38] <danimo> insanekane: it's in a working branch
[12:38] <danimo> err
[12:38] <imbrandon> got a svn url ?
[12:38] <danimo> imbrandon: ^^^
[12:38] <danimo> imbrandon: and it adds dependencies
[12:38] <imbrandon> ok
[12:38] <imbrandon> on ?
[12:38] <imbrandon> yea i've just finished up my amarok and konversation so its perfect timing
[12:38] <danimo> svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/suse_kickoff
[12:39] <imbrandon> spcial since i have to patch kdebase and kdelibs anyhow hehehe
[12:39] <danimo> imbrandon: warning: it's a complete kdebase branch
[12:39] <danimo> imbrandon: you only need parts of it
[12:39] <imbrandon> cool
[12:39] <danimo> i.e. kicker/ and kcontrol/kicker
[12:39] <imbrandon> danimo:  you rock man
[12:39] <danimo> imbrandon: but you need to fiddel out that yourself :)
[12:39] <imbrandon> right
[12:40] <imbrandon> heh i was just grabbing the factoryt iso and was gonna see if there was an rpm yet
[12:40] <imbrandon> lol
[12:40] <danimo> imbrandon: just do me a favour and tell me when you have something working. and don't advertize it as end-user packages, please
[12:40] <danimo> imbrandon: this is still very beta
[12:40] <imbrandon> i wont 
[12:40] <imbrandon> and i will
[12:40] <imbrandon> err reverse that
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: plus it would be unfair to steal the show of the novell guys who put it in svn to just to let everyone work on it
[12:41] <imbrandon> yay now i have to keep up with FOUR kdebase dirs
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: (they don't have public packages even for suse afaik)
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: not sure though
[12:41] <imbrandon> danimo: yea they said they won untill the 7th
[12:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: 7th?
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: what date is that?
[12:41] <imbrandon> the alpha 4 release
[12:41] <danimo> imbrandon: what are the other dirs?
[12:42] <danimo> imbrandon: of 10.2? ah
[12:42] <imbrandon> kdebase sime , kdebase edgy , kdebase osx , and now kdebase kickstart
[12:42] <danimo> sime?
[12:42] <imbrandon> err kickoff
[12:42] <imbrandon> _Sime's been working on some patches as of late
[12:42] <allee> danimo: sime == Simon I guess
[12:42] <danimo> hehe, everyone is miscalling it kickstart at some point
[12:42] <allee> danimo: hi
[12:42] <imbrandon> fixcing some media:/ stuff
[12:43] <danimo> ah
[12:43] <danimo> hi allee!
[12:43] <allee> imbrandon: I call it the biggest user visible change in 3.* series 
[12:43] <imbrandon> yea
[12:44] <danimo> allee: kickoff won't be part of any official 3.x release for that reason
[12:44] <danimo> distro's are free to add it of course
[12:45] <allee> danimo: err, I meant Simons chagnes not kickstart ;)
[12:45] <imbrandon> allee when was that said ? i think the purple and simes patches kinda throw that out
[12:45] <imbrandon> i wouldent like a default kde , if i wanted that i coudl use debian unstable hehe
[12:46] <allee> imbrandon: well, graphics does not count here.
[12:46] <imbrandon> sides this is edgy ;)
[12:47] <imbrandon> danimo: btw konversation 1.0 final is uploaded to my repos 
[12:47] <imbrandon> i have to wait for edgy becouse of the freezy for knot2
[12:48] <allee> imbrandon: well linux tag in Wiesbaden, it was talked about to make kubuntu sort of reference distro for kde.  So combining applicatins is okay and changing graphics style too.  Code changes where planed to feed back in coordination with KDE.
[12:49] <danimo> nice
[12:49] <imbrandon> sure and i think thats happening for the most part
[12:49] <allee> imbrandon: but media:/ changes don't fit 3.5.* cylce rules.  but are necessary nevertheless
[12:49] <imbrandon> kind of a testbed
[12:49] <danimo> imbrandon: when do you think you'll be able to build kickoff packages?
[12:49] <allee> danimo: you were with us.  Did I explain correctly?
[12:49] <imbrandon> danimo: i'm checking out svn right now 
[12:49] <imbrandon> heh
[12:50] <danimo> allee: let me read, sec
[12:50] <imbrandon> err danimo i dont think thats the whole branch
[12:50] <danimo> allee: I don't see the problem with media?
[12:50] <danimo> imbrandon: what's the whole branch?
[12:51] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/156697
[12:51] <imbrandon> danimo: ^
[12:51] <allee> imbrandon: when you look at the kubunt screenshot and a plain unstream screenshot.  You still see that it's the same KDE 
[12:51] <imbrandon> allee and thats BAD imho
[12:51] <imbrandon> very bad
[12:51] <allee> danimo: imbrandon no
[12:52] <danimo> imbrandon: well, you checked out with -N
[12:52] <allee> If we get good stuff, we should push back and not divert more and more
[12:52] <danimo> imbrandon: why exactly is the result surprising?
[12:52] <imbrandon> allee look at ubuntu screen shot and a gnome upstream sceenshot
[12:52] <imbrandon> ugh danimo dident notice, forced habbit
[12:52] <danimo> everything that can be fed back should be fed back
[12:53] <imbrandon> ohh yea i totaly agree with that
[12:53] <imbrandon> as far as sending back 
[12:53] <danimo> and if it's only for a reduced patchset
[12:53] <danimo> so what is the problem?
[12:53] <imbrandon> [17:51]  <allee> imbrandon: when you look at the kubunt screenshot and a plain unstream screenshot.  You still see that it's the same KDE  << thats
[12:54] <imbrandon> that is very wrong imho
[12:54] <allee> no problem.  Just that we can push back in this case ;)
[12:54] <imbrandon> yea ;)
[12:54] <imbrandon> push back is good ;)
[12:54] <danimo> imbrandon: well, I think it's not a problem that kubuntu does not deliver a vanilla KDE
[12:54] <sebas> In fact changing KDE is just fine, there won't change things anymore upstream, so it's even easy to keep local patches working
[12:55] <sebas> And trying stuff for KDE4 would be another reason why KDE wants Kubuntu to be more progressive, Sime's media:/ stuff is quite a good example.
[12:55] <imbrandon> danimo: i agree
[12:55] <danimo> sebas: well, we still do accept a lot the kind of patches that kubuntu includes in its patches
[12:55] <danimo> sebas: maybe in a more generic form
[12:55] <sebas> danimo: Yeah, but it's still kinda frozen.
[12:55] <sebas> So kickoff, it won't be.
[12:55] <danimo> sebas: yeah, sure
[12:55] <imbrandon> yea i think we're all on the same page here just saying it diffrent
[12:55] <allee> sebas: I completely agree!
[12:55] <danimo> imbrandon: I was about to say :)
[12:56] <sebas> OTOH, for Kubuntu it would be boring not to change stuff in KDE :>
[12:56] <allee> sebas: of course.
[12:56] <sebas> Especially since distro integration has room for improvement, good examples are adept and the guidance modules *cough*
[12:57] <danimo> what exact changes do they include?
[12:57] <imbrandon> allee yea me too , i need to get _Sime latest patches uploaded
[12:57] <sebas> I've briefly seen it on Sime's machine, last saturday.
[12:57] <danimo> sebas: btw: no suspend2 in edgy still?
[12:57] <sebas> He lives quite close to my place.
[12:57] <danimo> sebas: I am fed up with swsusp in edgy at this poin
[12:57] <allee> if other distros are not crazy they will adapt to soon.  the only upstream is a fork.  heheh
[12:57] <danimo> sebas: it's worse than in dapper
[12:57] <sebas> danimo: Didn't follow that, and I'm not living on the Edgy
[12:57] <danimo> ah
[12:57] <imbrandon> danimo: basicly takes system:/ and media:/ away and intergrates it into / and /media , plus a slew of other things
[12:58] <allee> s/adapt/use Simon patches/
[12:58] <danimo> imbrandon: well, system:/ and media:/ are not strictly bad things
[12:58] <sebas> danimo: What is actually worse?
[12:58] <imbrandon> danimo: you should read the wiki / blog post on it 
[12:58] <danimo> sebas: the system now only resumes in about less than 10% of all cases
[12:59] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, because it was never properly integrated
[12:59] <sebas> Ouch.
[12:59] <allee> danimo: afaik with repect to suspend ubuntu will stick with vanila kernel
[12:59] <sebas> Since FrosCon, suspend only rarely fails on me.
[12:59] <danimo> allee: annoys me...
[12:59] <sebas> I think I'm still running the kernel I rolled there :>
[12:59] <sebas> allee: Ah, where did you hear that?
[01:00] <danimo> imbrandon: like people complain about system:/ not working with their apps. in fact, a drag object now includes media:/ as well as the normal filesystem url
[01:00] <imbrandon> only for kde apps though
[01:00] <sebas> I demoed suspend2 to BenC at the UDS in Paris, and he seemed quite impressed by both, features and intrusiveness of patches.
[01:00] <danimo> imbrandon: nope
[01:00] <danimo> imbrandon: the point is to support non-kde-apps, too
[01:01] <danimo> imbrandon: say you drag a media url
[01:01] <allee> sebas:that what I remeber from eith #ubuntu-kernel of #ubuntu-meeting.  This is at least some month old info. maybe things changed but I doubt it.
[01:01] <imbrandon> yea but people still see that in the address bar ( the url media:/ blah
[01:01] <imbrandon> )
[01:01] <danimo> imbrandon: right, which is not a bad thing in kde apps
[01:01] <sebas> allee: Ow, could well be. As I said, I didn't follow after that, and I didn't see Ben asking lots of questions or sending patches to the suspend2 list.
[01:01] <imbrandon> sure it is
[01:01] <danimo> imbrandon: why?
[01:02] <imbrandon> danimo: if only kde apps use that and in a homogiouns enviroment like 99.9% of env out therre it confuses the new user
[01:02] <danimo> yes, it is
[01:02] <danimo> but
[01:02] <danimo> well, what the hell
[01:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:02] <sebas> The only good thing about home:/ is that hardly anyone knows it's there.
[01:02] <imbrandon> danimo: check out the wiki
[01:03] <danimo> I could explain how non-kde-apps are broken for not accepting the alternative URL
[01:03] <danimo> but that won't help
[01:03] <imbrandon> not really ;)
[01:03] <danimo> it's really sad though
[01:03] <imbrandon> becouse it dosent help the end user 
[01:03] <danimo> right
[01:03] <danimo> imbrandon: that's why I just dismissed my argument :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> danimo: i tend to agree but this is a nice solution to have the functionality and the proper url useage
[01:05] <imbrandon> danimo: btw judging from the rest of my build success today lol it will be about ~4 hours for debs
[01:05] <imbrandon> ( the kickoff )
[01:05] <imbrandon> my comp has been bogged down with 3 to 5 pbuilders running all day
[01:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:06] <sebas> And now think of all those Gentoo users, laid back and smile.
[01:06] <imbrandon> lol
[01:07] <danimo> imbrandon: I'll have to go to bed now, can you drop me a mail?
[01:07] <danimo> imbrandon: with the url
[01:07] <imbrandon> danimo: sure thing
[01:07] <danimo> imbrandon: danimo@kde.org
[01:07] <imbrandon> kk
[01:07] <danimo> imbrandon: cool stuff, cu
[01:07] <sebas> (And no, I'm not at danimo's :P)
[01:07] <danimo> sebas: not at this time ;)
[01:07] <sebas> Indeed, not this time.
[01:07] <imbrandon> hahahah sebas i was just goonna ask
[01:08] <danimo> sebas: btw: froscon 07 planning kicks off next week
[01:08] <sebas> You dare. :P
[01:08] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[01:09] <danimo> imbrandon: btw: the initial import of kickoff says: 'WARNING: it's crashing here and there if $USER != "dirk"'
[01:09] <danimo> :)
[01:09] <imbrandon> LOL
[01:10] <danimo> imbrandon: but I think it shouldn't be too bad at this point :)
[01:10] <sebas> imbrandon: I did something like that two weeks ago, then I wasn't able to sudo anymore.
[01:10] <imbrandon> probably not bim said its been beta tested internaly for some weeks
[01:10] <sebas> It was a >, rather than a >> though.
[01:10] <imbrandon> sebas: yea you have to change it in etc/hosts too 
[01:10] <danimo> ok guys, gnite
[01:10] <imbrandon> gnight danimo
[01:10] <allee> nite danimo 
[01:11] <sebas> imbrandon: Aye, I figured that the "hostname" program would do that for me.
[01:11] <sebas> Anyways, sleep()
[01:11] <imbrandon> hehe gnight
[01:19] <kwwii_> well, so much for installing knot2
[01:19] <kwwii_> would have been nice to test things now and again
[01:22] <imbrandon> what went wrong? it installed here 
[01:22] <imbrandon> ( on the ibook ) 
[01:22] <imbrandon> i just cant get network lol
[01:22] <kwwii_>  it does not boot all the way throgh
[01:22] <imbrandon> ahh bummer
[01:23] <kwwii_> it simply reverts to a command line after bitching about not mounting hdc....the machine had the same problem last time and only a text install worked
[01:26] <derekS> imbrandon: ping?
[01:27] <imbrandon> ping
[01:27] <imbrandon> err pong
[01:27] <derekS> hehe
[01:27] <derekS> question for you
[01:27] <derekS> yesterday when we were talking
[01:27] <derekS> you said you have your email fwd to gmail and you just dl with fetchmail and run your own imap server?
[01:27] <imbrandon> .....
[01:28] <imbrandon> thats correct
[01:28] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[01:29] <derekS> i am considering doing that because my isps email is sucking (dh).... do you use gmail hosted or regular?
[01:29] <imbrandon> what do you mean ?
[01:29] <imbrandon> gmail hosted ?
[01:29] <apokryphos> imbrandon:  hi, how's it going?
[01:29] <derekS> where you use your own domain?
[01:29] <imbrandon> great ;)
[01:30] <imbrandon> derekS: i have a few domains but none are gmail hosted
[01:30] <imbrandon> all my pop email i set to forward to a normal gmail account ( blholtsclaw@gmail.com )
[01:30] <imbrandon> and fetchmail from that
[01:31] <imbrandon> onto my imap server
[01:31] <imbrandon> then i get my mail that way , and sed out through my isp's smtp
[01:31] <imbrandon> send*
[01:31] <derekS> imbrandon: that was going to be my question... which isp you send out via
[01:32] <derekS> err
[01:32] <derekS> which computer
[01:32] <imbrandon> what ever one i'm running the client on
[01:32] <imbrandon> it sends via smtp-server.kc.rr.com
[01:32] <imbrandon> ( my isp )
[01:33] <derekS> what i am considering doing is pulling dreamhost as my email server... giving it to google.... then using fetchmail to dl it, then have them all use google hosted smtp server
[01:33] <imbrandon> most of my domains are on DH
[01:33] <imbrandon> just goto the email screen on the cp
[01:34] <imbrandon> and forward the email addresses to a gmail account
[01:34] <imbrandon> thats all i do
[01:34] <imbrandon> real simeple, and easy to change should i hate gmail later
[01:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:34] <derekS> imbrandon: why not just pull the hosting from them temporarily?
[01:34] <derekS> err for the time being
[01:34] <imbrandon> derekS: becouse changes then take 24+ hours
[01:35] <imbrandon> sometimes longer for dns to propigate
[01:35] <derekS> hmmm ok
[01:35] <imbrandon> there is no downside either ;)
[01:35] <imbrandon> i can change it at a whim and on a per user basis
[01:35] <derekS> the one thing i am worried about is my imap server on my home connection being slow :(
[01:36] <imbrandon> well 99% of the time i'm on the same lan so its no biggie to me
[01:36] <imbrandon> and when i'm not its just email ;)
[01:36] <derekS> see... my pda phone needs some loving :)
[01:47] <derekS> ohh and i somewhat fixed my xdmcp bug
[01:52] <derekS> i disabled ipv6 and it binds to udp instead of udp6.... luckily i don't need ipv6 yet.
[01:53] <jdong|coreduo> derekS: umm, that's not called a fix... that's a workaround :)
[01:55] <derekS> jdong|coreduo: haha yeah
[01:56] <derekS> now if only the xdmcp actually worked :)
[01:59] <jdong|coreduo> derekS: ack, find yourself some freenx debs and call it a day :P
[02:00] <imbrandon> heh yea nx is much easier and faster
[02:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:00] <jdong|coreduo> nx rocks
[02:00] <imbrandon> seveeas has them in his repos
[02:00] <derekS> haha
[02:00] <jdong|coreduo> and more secure, too
[02:00] <imbrandon> but fwiw xdmcp works fine here
[02:01] <derekS> imbrandon: i think its a problem with my setup now
[02:01] <jdong|coreduo> heh my dist-upgrade is still going
[02:01] <derekS> AUDIT: Thu Aug 31 19:59:58 2006: 7234 Xnest: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.0.5 Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
[02:01] <derekS> googloing
[02:05] <derekS> jdong|coreduo: definitely
[02:17] <derekS> hmm, (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension on this X server
[02:17] <derekS> which server is *THIS*
[02:20] <gnomefreak> sounds like the error i got with nvidia and new xorg
[02:20] <crimsun> that should be pretty intuitive unless you're running multiple X servers
[02:20] <derekS> gnomefreak: i am running the xserver via the network :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> derekS: if your using xgl install server-xgl
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:21] <derekS> crimsun: i am running it by X -query [another machines ip]  :1
[02:22] <crimsun> so look at the head number you just specified.
[02:22] <derekS> gnomefreak: not using xgl... or composite (to my knowledge)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> i saw
[02:22] <derekS> crimsun: head number? i looked at the xorg logs for that head and got that error
[02:23] <crimsun> derekS: maybe I missed something, but why are you asking for the "this" reference, then?
[02:23] <derekS> i am not sure whether *this* is the remote machine or this one
[02:24] <crimsun> the X server is running on :1.
[02:24] <derekS> crimsun: thats the remote
[02:24] <derekS> so i loging via ssh to that machine, comment out Load GLX.... restart everything.... still get that
[02:25] <crimsun> of course, that's would be indirect rendering.
[02:25] <crimsun> what's unclear about that?
[02:26] <derekS> crimsun: i am not 100% familiar with this stuff
[02:26] <derekS> indirect rendering?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> did anyone notice kubuntu automaticlly puts a grub image in /boot/grub/menu.lst. wouldnt be too bad but it doesnt work its not using the right partition
[02:33] <crimsun> "meaning it fails if /boot is not on the same partition as /"?
[02:34] <crimsun> or /usr, rather, not /
[02:34] <gnomefreak> it was (,0) as the boot partition. you get  a black screen press any key it couldnt find boot or something like that
[02:35] <gnomefreak> its been like that since i re-installed last week i finally got around to it just now
[04:33] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)  you can talk here you know, we're not scary
[04:34] <Hobbsee> oh no!  this could be the init-crack stuff!
[04:35] <Hobbsee>   bluez-cups bluez-utils console-tools initscripts konversation
[04:35] <Hobbsee>   libconsole libsensors3 libvolumeid0 sysv-rc sysvinit udev volumeid
[04:36] <crimsun> no
[04:36] <crimsun> that's just Scott splitting stuff out in preparation for upstrat.
[04:36] <crimsun> upstart, too.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> oh right
[04:41] <ryanakca> crimsun: any idea as to when that python will be fixed? Or who I can poke to offer help (however feeble it is)?
[04:41] <crimsun> ryanakca: which python?
[04:41] <crimsun> the python2.3 one?
[04:41] <crimsun> doko knows
[04:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: drat.
[04:42] <ryanakca> yes, the uninstallable one
[04:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ignore my email.  :P
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: done many hours ago ;)
[04:42] <imbrandon> i told you i was on the list days ago heh
[04:43] <imbrandon> Riddell:  has my diff all ready to upload once the freeze is over , along with konversation ;)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm barely awake :P
[04:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i just got woken up and told to move my car.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ooh, fun :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> screenshot?
[04:44] <imbrandon> its not done compiling yet
[04:44] <imbrandon> it just got put into svn a few hours ago
[04:45] <imbrandon> voyager has 3 instances of kdebase and kdelibs going ;)
[04:45] <imbrandon> 6 pbuilders, its busy for a bit
[04:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.  fair enough
[04:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so i should examine ppracer locally
[04:46] <imbrandon> heh probably
[04:46] <ryanakca> ooh... suse menu... is that the one everybody was oohing at a week ago?
[04:46] <imbrandon> you wouldent likely get many cpu cycles on voyager or enterprise atm
[04:46] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yea it just hit kde svn
[04:46] <ryanakca> sweet
[04:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol... hadn't I allready taught you that was a bad idea a couple weeks back? flooding your inbox? :D
[04:47] <imbrandon> lol
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: heh.
[04:48] <imbrandon> nah she just forwards it to me ~12 hours late ;)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: that's a side effect of being subscribed to bugmail from kubuntu-meta/kdebase/kdelibs
[04:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :P
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what do you think happens everytime sync requests get done
[04:48] <Hobbsee> my inbox suddenly doubles by 2x# of sync requests filled
[04:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: SPAM! ?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's less dead than it used to be :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> makes it much more interesting
[04:49] <Hobbsee> when i started lurking in here, any sign of life would send people into shock :P
[04:49] <imbrandon> ok i'm off for a while, Hobbsee you more than welcome to try voyager but i dooubt its worth anything, looks like smoke is comming from it as it churns suse code
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i dont get too much of that - gmail does a nice job of filtering
[04:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha, right.
[04:50] <imbrandon> heh i hope not i havent backed it up in a week
[04:50] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:51] <ryanakca> and everybody disappears, and leaves me to decide on C++ or bed
[04:53] <Hobbsee> again?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: c++
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ooh, my next assignment might be otu by now
[04:53] <imbrandon> thats the first song on the playlist ;)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> anyone else play planetpenguin-racer here?
[04:54] <imbrandon> not me Hobbsee , UO only ;)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: UO?
[04:55] <imbrandon> Ultima Online
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hmmm..  this says it's an alpha
[04:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss8.png
[04:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> that under wine, or native, or what?
[04:57] <imbrandon> wine
[04:58] <imbrandon> heh i guess i could do one of actualy IN the game ;)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i think i might version this ppracer_0.4.9-alpha.orig.tar.gz or something
[05:00] <Hobbsee> seeing as i want 0.5 to overwrite it, if it occurs
[05:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss17.png   notice what my char is saying ;)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[05:05] <imbrandon> ok now, bed ;)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> that's a lot of channels
[05:05] <imbrandon> haha thats my "normal" channels ;)
[05:05] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why oops?
[05:07] <Jucato> hehehe! ok I'm gonna take the courage to ask...
[05:07] <Jucato> imbrandon: what icon set are you using?
[05:07] <imbrandon> oxygen
[05:07] <Hobbsee> from svn?
[05:07] <imbrandon> yea
[05:07] <Jucato> whoa.... do they have a sort of beta? I'm really interested in that...
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why are you /me 'ing anyway?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: unfortunately, we cant release edgy with it :(
[05:08] <Jucato> lol.. tryng to be silent...
[05:08] <Jucato> no, I mean, just for personal use?
[05:08] <imbrandon> Jucato: not realy you can check it out of the public svn and build them
[05:08] <Jucato> ok. thanks!
[05:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: we COULD as they are gpl but that wouldent be cool ;)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :P
[05:10] <imbrandon> Jucato: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss18.png <-- thats the clean desktop with the oxygen icons
[05:11] <Jucato> *sob* they're so beautiful....
[05:11] <Jucato> although the KDE logo probably deserves a change...
[05:12] <Jucato> could I share a link that's unrelated to Kubuntu, but a bit related to Linux? it's for laughs...
[05:14] <Jucato> nvm.... totally out of place here :-D
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dont even try :P
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !info amarok
[05:22] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[05:22] <Hobbsee> does 1.3.9 include the install mp3 script?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> does someone, like tonio_, want to examine https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57066 ?
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57066 in kdebase "Choosing which grub item to boot into when restarting doesn't work" [Unknown,Confirmed]  
[06:00] <imbrandon> hahahaha zomg
[06:00] <imbrandon> i just hit me
[06:01] <imbrandon> and Riddell's asleep
[06:01] <imbrandon> heh
[06:01] <imbrandon> no , i JUST realized what he ment by rose dies when he said that weeks ago
[06:01] <imbrandon> heh
[06:02] <imbrandon> but you havent seen it yet so /me shushes
[06:03] <imbrandon> i just watched the last ep of the 2006 season
[06:03] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[06:03] <imbrandon> torrents, put ktorrent to good use ;)
[06:04] <imbrandon> 2006 season hasent even started to air in the US yet
[06:04] <imbrandon> heh
[06:06] <nixternal> foofy foofy
[07:45] <imbrandon_> ...
[07:47] <nixternal> ,,,<
[07:48] <nixternal> thats what you get for drinking all the mt. dew..you are loosing your mind
[07:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:06] <Hobbsee> wb imbrandon_ 
[08:08] <serzholino> hi! are tehere debug pakage for qt3 in dapper?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> !find qt3 dbg
[08:09] <ubotu> Found: libavahi-qt3-1, libavahi-qt3-dev, python-qt3, python-qt3-doc, python2.4-qt3 (and 30 others)
[08:09] <serzholino> cannot find it via #apt-cache search libqt3
[08:10] <Hobbsee> serzholino: perhaps its' in teh appropriate -dev package.  or you need to rebuild it with debug symbols.  not sure
[08:10] <serzholino> I'm having crash in qt with app, but peaple with other distros don't getting it
[08:11] <serzholino> !paste
[08:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:11] <serzholino> !pastebin
[08:12] <serzholino> http://pastebin.ca/156991
[08:12] <serzholino> could it be some glibc issue?
[08:12] <danimo> moin!
[08:12] <danimo> imbrandon: howdy
[10:28] <pavi> I wanna create a telugu distro
[10:41] <pavi> I wanna create a localised distro based on  kubuntu  for telugu people
[10:41] <Riddell> hi pavi 
[10:42] <Riddell> who are telugu people?
[10:42] <pavi> telugu is a official 
[10:43] <pavi> language of hyderabad ,INDIA
[10:46] <Riddell> pavi: well remastering the CD is not too hard
[10:46] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[10:46] <Riddell> http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[10:47] <pavi> ohh 
[10:47] <pavi> is it
[10:47] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[10:47] <pavi> not ubuntu 
[10:47] <pavi> dude
[10:47] <shining> which language does the livecd offer?
[10:47] <pavi> I am a kubuntu guy
[10:47] <Riddell> pavi: same thing when it comes to remastering the CD
[10:47] <Riddell> shining: which live CD?
[10:47] <Riddell> good morning Hobbsee 
[10:48] <pavi> ok will check dude
[10:48] <shining> Riddell: does it matter? any ubuntu or kubuntu desktop live cd if they are the same
[10:48] <pavi> can it work as install cd
[10:50] <Riddell> shining: they are not, and the language packs included vary with every release since it depends on how much free space we have
[10:50] <Riddell> shining: of course it downloads the language pack on install if you have an internet connection and it is not on the CD
[10:54] <pavi> ok
[10:55] <shining> Riddell: maybe pavi wants something else though? I was just wondering if it was possible to do something globally, instead of having to remaster the CD for every language
[10:57] <pavi> not globally atleast as of present 
[10:57] <pavi> because
[10:57] <pavi> swecha www.swecha,org is
[10:58] <pavi> already there for ubuntu 
[10:58] <pavi> I want kswecha for kubuntu
[10:58] <pavi>  https://sourceforge.net/projects/kswecha/
[11:02] <pavi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[11:02] <pavi> its for ubuntu man
[11:02] <pavi> what abt kubuntu???
[11:03] <Lathiat> im sure similar applies should be able to figure it out?
[11:04] <Lathiat> yeh just grab a kubuntu iso
[11:04] <shining> hey, whatever.. I already found it odd to have ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/.. , now let's start doing each cd with each language, and we'll get an endless list of cd :) cool
[11:04] <Lathiat> instead of the ubuntu iso
[11:06] <pavi> I have lots of kubuntu cds
[11:09] <shining> if it was up to me, I guess I would do one minimal cd with the install translated in every language, that lets you download install the desktop of your choice, so you could pick between ubuntu/kubuntu/whatever , and a dvd so you don't have to download during install
[11:09] <shining> but isn't that already what other distrib do?
[11:18] <allee> kmail is unacceptable unresponsible over /hangs for several seconds when loading mail via pop?  Only me?
[11:19] <allee> s/pop?/pop3!/
[11:32] <danimo> allee: pop3 is so 90
[11:32] <danimo> 90s even
[11:32] <shining> my provider is so 90s
[11:33] <allee> danimo: heh, but with a dialup link :( it's good to have the mails stored localy.   I know dialup is 90th too, but some region in germany are forced to stay in the 90th :(
[11:34] <hunger> Thanks for improving the looks of the new kde battery thing. And it even reports cpu frequency now!
[11:34] <shining> what is it?
[11:35] <danimo> for me, the mouse over popup is still oversized
[11:35] <allee> damino: fwiw kmail responsiveness in the 90th nevertheless better.  Sounds buggy that an 8KB/s pop download 'freezes' kmail
[11:36] <danimo> allee: are you using filters?
[11:38] <allee> danimo: yes.  ~ 50.  their # has not changes considerabley lately.  AFAIR 3.5.3 was already bad, 3.5.4 made it worse to unusable.
[11:42] <danimo> allee: odd
[11:45] <allee> so look like it's only me.  Good. So just have to find what's borked here, no upstream involved ;)
[11:47] <shining> allee: kmail doesn't exactly look bug free
[11:49] <allee> shining: heh, never had real problems (never used d-imap ;)
[12:08] <sebas> Is there an updated package for the "battery thing"?
[12:09] <Riddell> sebas: not since the last one I gave you
[12:09] <sebas> Ah, ok.
[12:09] <Riddell> if knot 2 gets out today I can do one
[12:09] <sebas> I was wondering since hunger obviously is using the new version.
[12:09] <sebas> Ok :)
[12:12] <sebas> Riddell: Don't forget to svn up anyway.
[12:12] <sebas> displayconfig has seen some UI cleanup and bugfixes as well
[12:16] <Riddell> it certainly does
[12:23] <serzholino> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22233
[12:24] <serzholino> How can it crash? m_dataAsBinary isn't a pointer...
[12:24] <Riddell> can anyone see the kubuntu logo on http://conference2006.kde.org/sponsors/ ?
[12:25] <serzholino> I see in konq
[12:25] <Riddell> serzholino: maybe the variable has not been initialised properly
[12:25] <Riddell> serzholino: ok, thanks
[12:27] <serzholino> the problem is that this class is used in about 10 plugins, and only in one there is such crash
[12:28] <serzholino> and no one having linux/bsd is getting this, only i on kubuntu dapper at work and at home :(
[12:28] <Riddell> kubuntu does use linux
[12:29] <serzholino> i meant peaple with other distros not having sucha crash
[12:34] <pavi> ya 
[12:34] <pavi> shuttle worth was there naa
[12:43] <serzholino> maybe some glibc issue?
[12:44] <serzholino> are there any exports for glibc i can try?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> bugger.  our amarok install mp3 script needs fixing again.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133377
[01:37] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133377 in general "install MP3 plugin : add a more precise error description" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[01:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping
[01:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: I did finally get the amarok patch to apply, I think it's some thing with the dos line endings
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which one was this?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, i can just debdiff against imbrandon's current file, with the new one.
[01:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the patches from Mark K
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, yep
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so you've already got that
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yay for full access to his hard drive
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we have an ETA on edgy freeze finishing?  i have fixes for both amarok and kdenetwork
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you should probably fix your dapper ones, too
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no idea, seems these ubuntu people are not as efficient as us kubuntu people
[02:03] <Riddell> hopefully today
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha, right
[02:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: how did knot 2 install go on ppc?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> did it install on i386?
[02:05] <Riddell> works everywhere for me
[02:05] <Riddell> I just like a second report too
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's the first of the month.  do you really want me shot that much?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's probably a sure-fire way to get one very dead Hobbsee 
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to grab my kdenetwork fix?
[02:08] <Riddell> shot?
[02:09] <Riddell> kdenetwork fixes are good
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes. those people called parents
[02:10] <Riddell> oh, download limits
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jWuZw066.html
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, that's them!
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's the reason why i couldnt do much dev stuff at the end of june.  or july.  whichever it iwas.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> whenver all the syncs were
[02:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I wonder if it would be better to depend on kopete-dev rather than removing the kopete dependency
[02:11] <Riddell> dunnoo
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, kopete-dev is in a completely different package.  if you're wanting the kopete-dev packages, you're unlikely to figure out to look in kdenetwork-dev
[02:11] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, if you do, then you depend on kopete as well, which may not be what you want
[02:17] <Hobbsee> but i see your piont
[02:22] <ryanakca> back
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca 
[02:22] <ryanakca> oops... I see konversation 0.19+ still has that slash bug
[02:23] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[02:23] <Hobbsee> what / bug?
[02:23] <ryanakca> When you go to a new channel, like click a tab for a channel other than the current one,
[02:24] <ryanakca> and then you go to hit the numlock "/", you need to hit it twice before it appears in your text/type box
[02:25] <ryanakca> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133236
[02:25] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133236 in general "Slash needs to be hit twice before it appears." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[02:25] <ryanakca> ooh... it is fixed
[02:31] <marseillai> yop everybody
[02:32] <Riddell> jings, someone else who says "yop"
[02:33] <marseillai> how r u Riddell 
[02:33] <marseillai> ?
[02:33] <Riddell> I'm groovy, I'm almost through my e-mail backlog
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: will nixternal Knot2 page move to community page as did Ubuntu one?
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2
[02:36] <Lure> Riddell: and thanks to nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[02:38] <Riddell> Lure: community page?
[02:38] <Lure> Riddell: there is wiki which is part of documentation: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot2
[02:38] <Lure> Riddell: this is where it got moved
[02:39] <Riddell> hmm I see
[02:39] <Riddell> well ubuntu.com isn't suitable and it's too much hassle to put it on kubuntu.org (which isn't moin)
[02:39] <Riddell> I'm happy with it on the wki
[02:40] <Lure> probably right - at least it is blue (probably has to become purple with edgy release ;-))
[02:40] <Lure> Riddell: maybe it would be good if Ubuntu page would at least link to Kubuntu page...
[02:41] <Riddell> let me ask
[02:42] <Riddell> then again they will both be in the release announcement
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm getting imbrandon's version FTBFS'ing.   i'll give you a debdiff though
[02:49] <Hobbsee> it may be that i'm having to build it weirdly - building it from his directory
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/newamarok.debdiff
[02:54] <Lure> Riddell: seen release annoncement and I think it is good
[02:55] <Riddell> Lure: me too, really cool to have a kubuntu page for the release
[02:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that'll be my first upload when the freeze is lifted :)
[02:56] <Lure> Riddell: yes, nixternal rocks!
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[02:58] <Lure> Riddell: I just do not know how he managed to make this screenshot with two K-menu's: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kmenu.png
[02:58] <Lure> Riddell: I think he makes all screenshots in photoshop... ;-)
[02:59] <Riddell> err, weird
[03:00] <Hobbsee> um, koay?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> *okay?
[03:00] <Lure> Riddell: I think it is caused by one paste to many in photoshop ;-)
[03:02] <gnomefreak> is it just me or has knot 2 been postponed (cant find it anywhere)
[03:04] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's being released as we type
[03:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[03:04] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Where is the download URL for it so that when it hits we can grab it ?
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu   should be the link that doesnt work
[03:07] <gnomefreak> first link on page
[03:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Thanks.  I wasn't sure if it would eventually work once it hits the mirrors
[03:07] <gnomefreak> im thinking it will. its the way they used to do it have a dead link till ready to release
[03:08] <Jucato> (taking the courage to ask). excuse me, I got the Desktop CD ISO from the links Riddell gave the other day, I think it was daily-live/08312006. Will it be the same as Knot 2? or where there some bug fixes/changes that were included in between?
[03:08] <gnomefreak> Jucato: no it was before the freeze iirc it might have a couple more updates
[03:09] <Riddell> Jucato: desktop CD we're using for Knot 2 is 20060831
[03:09] <gnomefreak> pretty much same
[03:09] <Riddell> Jucato: but if the one you tried installed ok then you don't have a problem :)
[03:09] <danimo> heya
[03:10] <Jucato> thanks! I did update a while ago. so I guess I'm on Knot 2
[03:10] <Riddell> yep
[03:11] <Hawkwind> Jucato: How does the purple theme look ?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> i love it
[03:11] <gnomefreak> but i love purple :)
[03:11] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I'm getting used to it... my sister will love it (not that she uses Linux...)
[03:11] <Hawkwind> Purple is my favorite color too so I think I'll like it too
[03:11] <imbrandon_> re
[03:11] <danimo> Riddell: konquerors startup pic misses a colored tile
[03:12] <Jucato> I love blue... but since purple is kinda bluish... I feel I will learn to love it too :-D
[03:12] <danimo> Riddell: known issue?
[03:12] <Jucato> danimo: I was about to ask that, too...
[03:12] <imbrandon_> Riddell: installe on ppc fine ( network issues but i always have those )
[03:12] <danimo> heya imbrandon_
[03:12] <imbrandon_> heya danimo 
[03:12] <Jucato> It's the same with KDE Help Center
[03:12] <gnomefreak> i did kind of like the solid purple backgound with the name of release in it
[03:12] <danimo> imbrandon_: so how did compliation go?
[03:12] <danimo> Jucato: yes, because it uses the same tiles :)
[03:12] <Jucato> oh... :-D
[03:12] <imbrandon_> danimo: ftb for now, i'll try again in a few
[03:12] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: ping
[03:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: heya
[03:13] <danimo> ftb?
[03:13] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: i wouldent use that amarok i have locacly
[03:13] <imbrandon_> its not complete and wont build
[03:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ah right.  i just debdiff'd against it - patch looks clean
[03:13] <imbrandon_> its half way with some things i was doing personal
[03:14] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:14] <imbrandon_> heh well check it well to be sure
[03:14] <danimo> imbrandon_: what's missing?
[03:14] <imbrandon_> danimo: missing ?
[03:14] <Jucato> danimo: ah yes... it seems kde-pim (Kontact, KMail, Akregator doesn't follow the new colors?
[03:15] <danimo> imbrandon_: what does ftb mean?
[03:15] <danimo> imbrandon_: it sounded like it didn't build
[03:15] <imbrandon_> fail to build
[03:15] <seaLne> fail to build
[03:15] <danimo> imbrandon_: so why did it fail?
[03:15] <toma> Riddell: ping
[03:15] <danimo> imbrandon_: (as in: maybe I can give you a hint :)
[03:15] <imbrandon_> danimo: i dunno i JUST woke up, heheh lemnme grab some mt dew and a smoke and i'll look
[03:16] <danimo> imbrandon_: mt dew and a cigarette to get going? uuuha
[03:16] <Hawkwind> danimo: I have to have Arizona Peach Tea first thing to get going :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> heh.  i dont like mountain dew
[03:17] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Just poor it down the drain then
[03:17] <Jucato> imbrandon: this is what danimo was talking about: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/konqueror.png
[03:17] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:17] <Jucato> no... please may I have even just a few cans?
[03:19] <danimo> Hawkwind: how about the good old cup of tea?
[03:19] <danimo> Jucato: yepp, that's it
[03:20] <Hawkwind> danimo: I used to drink tea but now I drink Arizona peach tea as it's the best in the world IMO :)
[03:21] <Jucato> it seems Kontact, KMail, and Akregator are the only ones not affected, since they're using the old blue backgrounds?
[03:22] <danimo> Jucato: yes, they're still untheme
[03:22] <danimo> d
[03:41] <imbrandon> danimo: ping
[03:42] <imbrandon> danimo: looks like it ftb on libkicker_core_la.all_cpp.lo , i'll grab the exact log in a moment, what are the new deps
[03:42] <imbrandon> that you spoke of
[03:44] <danimo> imbrandon: pong
[03:44] <danimo> imbrandon: ah, --disable-final :)
[03:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:44] <jdong> two successful dist-upgrades to edgy :)
[03:44] <jdong> woot
[03:44] <danimo> imbrandon: enable final might not be tested yet
[03:44] <imbrandon> danimo: heh kk
[03:44] <Jucato> yay for jdong! :-D
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: but lemme see the log
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: did you install beagle?
[03:45] <n8k99> imbrandon_: hey
[03:45] <imbrandon> danimo: no
[03:45] <jdong> a little fglrx snag, but no biggie :)
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: you need it
[03:45] <imbrandon> is it a dep-build-dep ?
[03:45] <imbrandon> kk
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: not sure the branch has a configure check yet
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: but afaik it's mandatory
[03:45] <imbrandon> looks like it dident
[03:46] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, the  configure check is commented out :)
[03:46] <imbrandon> hahah ;)
[03:46] <imbrandon> np installing now, i'll add it to the build deps
[03:46] <danimo> imbrandon: no it's not
[03:46] <danimo> LIBBEAGLE_PACKAGES="libbeagle-0.0"
[03:46] <danimo> LIBBEAGLE_VERSION="0.2.4"
[03:46] <danimo> AC_MSG_CHECKING(for libbeagle-0.2.4 (at least $LIBBEAGLE_VERSION))
[03:47] <danimo> imbrandon: so it might just compile without
[03:48] <danimo> imbrandon: what does the log say?
[03:48] <imbrandon> ahh yea it was failing on the beagle stuff
[03:49] <imbrandon> just looked closer
[03:49] <Jucato> jdong: was your fstab changed after the dist-upgrade? I made a fresh install of Edgy, and it seems that I have lots of UUID= instead of /dev. Is this normal in Knot 2?
[03:49] <danimo> imbrandon: ok, so it seems the configure check is not perfect yet
[03:49] <danimo> imbrandon: either it should bail out without beagle and doesn't, or it shouldn't and the code is not properly ifdef'ed
[03:50] <jdong> Jucato: that is normal for edgy
[03:50] <jdong> Jucato: edgy uses unique identifiers instead of hd/sd*
[03:50] <jdong> Jucato: some stupid bioses like to jumble disk orders randomly
[03:50] <jdong> *cough* ASUS *cough*
[03:50] <ryanakca> lol
[03:50] <Jucato> aaah. so this will be the norm all throughout edgy?
[03:50] <jdong> yes
[03:50] <jdong> your menu.lst has also changed to reflect that :)
[03:50] <imbrandon> danimo: i started the build again , but here was the last bit of the log just fyi 
[03:50] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/157284
[03:51] <Jucato> oh... this will get a bit of getting used to...
[03:51] <danimo> imbrandon: yeah, classical problem with configure
[03:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:51] <danimo> imbrandon: files that shouldn't be compiled are nevertheless
[03:52] <danimo> imbrandon: but the resulting kicker search plugin can be put in a package of its own
[03:53] <imbrandon> ok fixed up i /think/ and build started again
[03:53] <imbrandon> danimo: guess we'll find out in ~30 minutes ;)
[03:54] <n8k99> imbrandon_: got a sec for amarok 142?
[03:54] <imbrandon> n8k99: wasup ?
[03:54] <n8k99> imbrandon_: now when run on powerbook get a message that says it can not connect with the sqllite data
[03:54] <danimo> imbrandon: cool!
[03:55] <danimo> imbrandon: how are the resulting packages integrated? alternative to kicker?
[03:55] <imbrandon> n8k99:  thats fixed with soem new patches that will be out sometimes today
[03:55] <n8k99> imbrandon_: oh ok great
[03:55] <imbrandon> danimo: will be yes
[03:55] <danimo> imbrandon: fine
[03:55] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[03:56] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[03:58] <Riddell> danimo: don't you like the blue on purple? :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:58] <Jucato> heheh
[04:00] <imbrandon> Riddell: will icecream work with pbuilder/debuild ?
[04:02] <imbrandon> danimo: yea for the moment i'm just compiling / debianizing suse's kdebase/kickoff then if that works i'll just rip the kioff out and patch it into kdebase
[04:02] <imbrandon> s/kdebase/our\ kdebase/
[04:02] <imbrandon> as al alternative
[04:02] <imbrandon> an*
[04:02] <imbrandon> gah
[04:03] <imbrandon> woohoo knot 2 out officialy
[04:03] <Jucato> yay!
[04:03] <jdong> yeah
[04:04] <imbrandon> Riddell: ready for the konversation upload ?
[04:04] <jdong> nobody in the swarm though :P
[04:04] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[04:04] <apachelogger> my packages still aren't reviewed :P
[04:04] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've not tried icecream with pbuilder, main problem would be knowing to run make -j5
[04:05] <jdong> imbrandon: what did I do?
[04:05] <imbrandon> heh
[04:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/konversation/  ready to be uploaded to edgy ( now that freeze is off )
[04:06] <danimo> Riddell: I'm not a big purple fan at all
[04:06] <Jucato> ehehehe
[04:06] <danimo> Riddell: might be fancy to the otherwise-linux-declining-girls maybe :)
[04:06] <imbrandon> heh
[04:07] <danimo> Hobbsee: that is, the group of girls that usually declines linux
[04:07] <Hobbsee> true that
[04:07] <danimo> Hobbsee: and you know that :)
[04:07] <danimo> Hobbsee: the "girly girls" ;)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> true - but they wont suddenly decide to use it based on colour
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hah.  
[04:07] <apachelogger> uhhh
[04:07] <apachelogger> girly girls?
[04:07] <apachelogger> where?
[04:07] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: sure you are :P
[04:07] <imbrandon> uht oh
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:07] <danimo> apachelogger: someone's deperate, eh? :)
[04:08] <danimo> desperate even
[04:08] <Hobbsee> "girly girls arent on the internet"  - said by a male.
[04:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes they are, just attracted by the wrong sites
[04:08] <imbrandon> teh Intarweb
[04:09] <Hobbsee> ...
[04:09] <danimo> Hobbsee: ?
[04:09] <imbrandon> somebody should DDoS myspace
[04:09] <Hobbsee> "you mean ubuntu just doesnt do it for them?"
[04:09] <danimo> Hobbsee: no, I mean windows does it for them already
[04:09] <apachelogger> danimo: bah :P
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: or turn all the backgrounds like mine.
[04:10] <imbrandon> lol
[04:12] <danimo> imbrandon: I haven't ever ever in my life turned my browser to myspace. tell me: did I miss something?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> danimo: myspace is great !
[04:12] <imbrandon> nothing at all 
[04:12] <imbrandon> not a thing
[04:12] <danimo> ok, now who of you is right?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak
[04:12] <imbrandon> danimo: think geocities in 1998 and then moderize it
[04:13] <imbrandon> modernize
[04:13] <ryanakca> imbrandon: you have a script for building from svn? (I'm guessing that's what you use for your nightly konversation builds? )
[04:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[04:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca: depends on the product, yea i have a autobuild setup for konversation svn
[04:14] <Hobbsee> muhahahhahaa
[04:14] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ouch, that hurts!
[04:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca: its a homebrew type thing i have alot of automation scripts
[04:14] <Jucato> rofl
[04:14] <Hobbsee> muhahahahaha
[04:14] <Hobbsee> "
[04:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: "Dark Empress" seems to be a more sinister name...
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: it... hurts... cannot... reach... mouse.. to... close... window... must... click... button... must... close... window... must... must....
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and the address bar.
[04:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: and put things to full screen, yeah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ooh, that too
[04:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: 
[04:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: I frigging implemented the java script windowing stuff in konq, you can't be more evil than me :)
[04:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: (well, parts of it)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> danimo: hah.  so YOU wrote all those bugs!   it was YOU!!!!
[04:18] <danimo> Hobbsee: yupp, that's me. mr. buggy bug bug
[04:18] <danimo> Hobbsee: can I go home now?
[04:18] <apachelogger> now
[04:18] <apachelogger> really
[04:18] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: you can't be more evil than mr. buggy bug bug
[04:18] <apachelogger> no way
[04:18] <apachelogger> ryanakca: ahhh, so you're able to help KDE accessibility
[04:19] <imbrandon> i say we make that the new default bg for kubuntu
[04:19] <apachelogger> oh yes
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[04:19] <apachelogger> *bouncing*
[04:19] <ryanakca> apachelogger: erm... maybe
[04:19] <ryanakca> YES!
[04:20] <ryanakca> make all of the users blind
[04:20] <apachelogger> uhhhhh
[04:20] <apachelogger> ahhhhh
[04:20] <danimo> talking of new defaults... how's the kickoff compile going, imbrandon?
[04:20] <apachelogger> ryanakca: first you need to fix accesibility in KDE
[04:20] <apachelogger> else they all move to ubuntu
[04:20] <apachelogger> bad idea that is
[04:20] <ryanakca> apachelogger: how?
[04:20] <apachelogger> dunno, use the force
[04:20] <ryanakca> well, set ubuntu's background to that, and we have a sane backgrou,d and were set
[04:20] <imbrandon> danimo: still chugging away
[04:21] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I don't even know what needs fixing
[04:21] <apachelogger> everything
[04:21] <apachelogger> kmag is looking like shit
[04:21] <ryanakca> one thing... probably known... konqueror is messed up
[04:21] <apachelogger> having usability like my brain
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you mean it usually isnt?
[04:21] <apachelogger> and is lagging performance than no other APP in kde
[04:21] <ryanakca> well... more messed up than usual
[04:21] <apachelogger> just the worst thing of all
[04:21] <ryanakca> I like the blue and purple clash :)
[04:21] <apachelogger> ktts still needs more support from KDE apps
[04:21] <ryanakca> it's... clashy?
[04:22] <apachelogger> accessibility is just sooooo bad in KDE
[04:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee: this one (about Konqueror's color clash) http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/konqueror.png
[04:22] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ok, are you asking me to touch that nasty stuff called code when I'm only at chapter 2 of my C++ manual/book/tutorial?
[04:23] <apachelogger> you're already at chapter 2?
[04:23] <ryanakca> yes
[04:23] <apachelogger> you don't have a lot todo, huh? :P
[04:23] <ryanakca> apachelogger: nope... I don't work, and school only restarts on Tuesday
[04:24] <apachelogger> hm
[04:24] <apachelogger> <-- doesn't have school either, still he is busy all day
[04:24] <ryanakca> and I plan to take another bash at brainwashing my school's techie into switching to Kubuntu
[04:25] <ryanakca> apachelogger: and at the moment pbuilder is running... so I'm twiddling
[04:25] <apachelogger> I'm wondering whether the server is still on ^^
[04:27] <ryanakca> fun... anybody know what provides this? quick run of apt-cache provided nothing...
[04:27] <ryanakca> configure: error: *** dc1394_control missing - please install dc1394_control development package ***
[04:30] <allee> ryanakca: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search dc1394_control
[04:30] <ryanakca> ty
[04:31] <allee> ryanakca: and if you workin on a pkgs, update build-dep accordingly to what you find ;)
[04:32] <ryanakca> allee: yeah... I forgot to do that once... nightmare :)
[04:32] <allee> heh :)
[04:38] <Jucato> excuse me, is there some document or wiki page that explains about this new UUID thing? how to use it, what it means, why this is being done, etc?
[04:39] <ryanakca> yeah, I'm wondering why my fstab got converted to "UUID=bbce14d6-e347-4aa5-80e5-985ae2406a71 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1"
[04:39] <Jucato> jdong said it's a new Edgy thing...
[04:40] <ryanakca> yeah, I was reading as the conversations went on
[04:40] <ryanakca> but why switch
[04:40] <Jucato> maybe this will be explained...soon?
[04:40] <Lure> ryanakca: this is preparation for switch to libata (/dev/hdXX -> /dev/sdXX), but thsi will not happen for edgy
[04:41] <Lure> ryanakca: switch to UUID just ensures that FS is mounted by ID instead of by device file that may change
[04:41] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[04:41] <ryanakca> oh yeah, because of those messed up bioses?
[04:41] <ryanakca> ASUS ones iirc?
[04:41] <allee> ryanakca: this way it does not depend on order where a device/controler is found
[04:41] <ryanakca> lol
[04:41] <Lure> ryanakca: or if you are docked or undocked on sum IBMs
[04:43] <Jucato> how would this impact, um..., the "normal" users? do they begin to do "sudo mount UID /media"? 
[04:43] <imbrandon> Jucato: no
[04:43] <Jucato> Lure: so this won't be in the official release of Edgy?
[04:43] <allee> Jucato: afaik it will
[04:43] <imbrandon> yes it will and it dosent realy
[04:44] <allee> Jucato: finding show stopper bugs is the only way to prevent it for edgy ;)
[04:44] <Jucato> ah... I'm just imagining a lot of users might get a bit shocked when they see their fstab's...
[04:44] <allee> Jucato: our target audiance does not know about /etc/fstab (and don't care)
[04:45] <ryanakca> hmmm
[04:45] <imbrandon> Jucato: see allee's comment 
[04:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:45] <ryanakca> I guess I'm not a target audiance :)
[04:45] <Lure> ryanakca: it will be, just the switch to libata will not happen (deffered to edgy+1)
[04:45] <ryanakca> kk
[04:46] <ryanakca> kk,
[04:46] <allee> ryanakca: you're the developer target audiance and expected to learn now to handle it ;)  giggle 
[04:46] <Jucato> but, based on what I've observed in the forums and IRC, a lot of people are still asking about mounting partitions, specifically NTFS and FAT32
[04:46] <Jucato> and the wiki pages we refer them to talk abut /dev...
[04:46] <ryanakca> allee: lol
[04:47] <allee> Jucato: well, one can still use /dev/whatever when one edits /etc/fstab
[04:48] <Jucato> oh...
[04:48] <allee> Jucato: and /dev/whatever names are above the UUID lines
[04:48] <imbrandon> and can still be used
[04:48] <Jucato> if it's a dist-upgrade, don't the /dev get changed?
[04:48] <imbrandon> if new entries are made
[04:49] <imbrandon> Jucato: no
[04:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: mind sending me that script you have for svn builds? I'm going to attempt packaging libinstrudeo
[04:49] <Jucato> ah, I see. the bug report about it on Launchpad is old... so it must have been fixed?
[04:50] <imbrandon> ryanakca: it woudent do you much good as its tied in with alot of other homebrewed scripts i use to manage my repo
[04:50] <Jucato> allee: last question, if you don't mind?
[04:50] <ryanakca> oh, kk, nevermind :)
[04:51] <Jucato> will kde-guidance be updated so that it doesn't have two sets of entries for the partitions? Right now, it has regular entries for the /dev and another set for the UUID
[04:52] <Jucato> http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/filesystems.png
[04:54] <allee> Jucato: I'm sure the inconsistency will be removed, if for edgy already, also the devels know
[04:55] <Jucato> allee: ah thanks! that's 2 Edqy questions down (and 1 more to go)
[04:55] <Jucato> so you guys really don't bite after all :-D
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we're just lulling you into a false sense of security
[04:56] <Jucato> dang! I almost was
[04:56] <Jucato> noooh!!!
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hehehehe :P
[04:56] <Jucato> let me have some Mt. Dew first, please?
[04:56] <shining> how weird. I thought the "cannot find parent item file:///home" was gone, but it's still there
[04:57] <allee> Hobbsee will feel sick
[04:57] <Jucato> ehehe....
[04:57] <Hobbsee> allee: oh well.  head is already hurting, what's new?
[04:57] <Jucato> I'm not the healthiest dish around...
[04:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:58] <danimo> imbrandon: two kickoff updates just came in btw in the last 2 hours
[04:59] <danimo> imbrandon: minor impact, mostly ui improvements
[04:59] <imbrandon> kk
[04:59] <danimo> imbrandon: is your machine still compiling?
[05:00] <danimo> what's that ugly uid stuff about?
[05:00] <danimo> (talking about partitions)
[05:00] <danimo> how is one supposed to remember those serial labels?
[05:00] <imbrandon> danimo: yes
[05:00] <imbrandon> danimo: i have two copies of kdebase compiling becosue i'm doing some updates for edgy proper too
[05:01] <imbrandon> so its a bit slow
[05:01] <imbrandon> danimo: you dont have to, fstab does it for you , /dev/blah is still useable ;)
[05:01] <imbrandon> its just to make a transition later easy
[05:03] <danimo> imbrandon: what's the deal then?
[05:03] <danimo> imbrandon: new reference scheme for udev devices?
[05:03] <danimo> bbo
[05:03] <allee> Hobbsee: two PC stopped working.  Fully automatic installation not working yet. Scaring. Everything black, fan suddenly run full speed.  And only power cut works.  Pah!
[05:04] <imbrandon> its the libata transition
[05:04] <Hobbsee> allee: ouch
[05:04] <Hobbsee> allee: that's not good.
[05:04] <ryanakca> allee: not good
[05:04] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: beat me too it :P
[05:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:04] <allee> heh, yeah.  PC dying because fan gives up, that normal but other way round
[05:05] <ryanakca> hmmm
[05:05] <ryanakca> wierd
[05:06] <Jucato> Adept's Manage Repositories is disabled?
[05:06] <allee> ryanakca: I assume bad capisitors.  The MB is (in)famous for it.  I still have warrenty
[05:06] <Hobbsee> was it ever enabled?
[05:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: in Dapper, yes
[05:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee, imbrandon: amarok uploaded
[05:08] <Riddell> konversation too
[05:08] <imbrandon> woot, you rock
[05:08] <Jucato> cool
[05:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's those patches in amarok in edgy
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[05:09] <Riddell> anyone want to check if konversation is backportable?
[05:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: it is, doing the backport now
[05:10] <imbrandon> infact it can be backported all the way to breezy ;)
[05:10] <imbrandon> but i'll just file a dapper one
[05:10] <Jucato> hehe...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just poke jdong over it.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jdong likes doing kubuntu backports :P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> especially when they FAIL!
[05:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i'm on the backport team too now ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> one that's gotten lost, one that couldnt be backported.  oh dear.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how'd you do that?
[05:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: ?
[05:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: so you can update the wiki page
[05:13] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, 5 minutes total to download the knot2 ISO :)
[05:13] <Jucato> Hawkwind: are you going to do a clean install?
[05:13] <apachelogger> *still confused*
[05:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: to what shall I update it?
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'll run it in vmware actually
[05:14] <Riddell> "I forgot to say this: If you include our patches, please send a confirmation
[05:14] <Riddell> to this list. This makes user support easier for us.
[05:14] <Riddell> "
[05:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: ^^
[05:15] <Jucato> Hawkwind: oh. could be so kind as to check later if Adept Manager's "Manager Repositories" is really disabled?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i told upsteram that earlier.
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'll certainly try to remember to check it
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Heh, took 3 minutes and 18 seconds to download the entire ISO
[05:16] <Jucato> thanks! I'm not sure if it's just on my system...
[05:16] <Jucato> though this is a fresh install...
[05:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, thx, this is for our internal notes, so that we can go ahead and tell people to upgrade their packages if those bugs appear for them ^^
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You've install knot 2 somewhere already ?
[05:17] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I'm using it right now. installed on a separate partition
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah ok
[05:18] <apachelogger> gotta test my notebook with newer kernel acpi
[05:19] <Jucato> Hawkwind: are you going to install it now?
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Probably in about 15 - 20 minutes
[05:19] <Jucato> ah. one last request, then? 
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No, you can't have my Bud Light!
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:20] <Jucato> it seems that Guidance Power Manager loads/runs twice when I log out and log in again.
[05:21] <apachelogger> god I hate kvpnc
[05:22] <Jucato> (maybe it has something to do with guidance-power-manager being in /usr/share/autostart, and "restore previous session" being the default?)
[05:22] <ryanakca> apachelogger: what? that thing for the laptop battery that keeps on popping up on my computer, despite me quitting it, and my computer not being a laptop?
[05:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: we're seeing the same issues...
[05:22] <Riddell> it should be a kuniqueapplication but that seems to have broken
[05:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: well... restore previous session... I quit it, and it restarts next time I log in...
[05:23] <Jucato> ryanakca: it's in /usr/share/autostart, too
[05:23] <apachelogger> it's everywhere
[05:23] <ryanakca> Jucato: then... why don't we take it out?
[05:23] <apachelogger> wanna take control of your pc
[05:23] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:23] <ryanakca> lol
[05:23] <apachelogger> <-- forgot root password
[05:24] <ryanakca> lol
[05:24] <Jucato> hehehe
[05:24] <apachelogger> actually I changed it just before summer break to something more secure.... well, too secure I guess ;-)
[05:28] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok konversation and the new -0ubuntu3 amarok will be backported later today, bugs approved/filed/noted etc etc etc
[05:31] <Hawkwind> Jucato: The install has begun in vmware :)
[05:31] <Jucato> nice!  :-D
[05:32] <Hobbsee> yay, sync time :)
[05:33] <Jucato> Most Downlaods and Latest Tabs in Get New Wallpapers still non-functional...
[05:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: have you been modifying my home folder, at all?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> or did i do those changes locally?
[05:34] <imbrandon> i dont touch your stuff
[05:34] <Jucato> hehehe
[05:38] <nixternal> konvo v1..nice
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !info ndiswrapper-utils edgy
[05:40] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-5 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:40] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !info ndiswrapper-source edgy
[05:40] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-source: Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 141 kB, installed size 192 kB
[05:47] <ryanakca> lol
[05:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i dont see anything funny in -motu 
[05:48] <jdong> alright, which genius thought it'd be nice for laptop-mode to spin down hd's every 5 seconds???
[05:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, about QComicBook, how to use it
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the MOTU day stuff
[05:49] <seaLne> is that a s/aug/sep/ thing?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> perhaps due to the time.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah
[05:49] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:49] <imbrandon> ok
[05:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: yeah, I need some files to open presumably?
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Mmmmmmm, the purple theme in Edgy is beautiful!
[05:56] <Jucato> ehehe! I'm starting to like it as well 
[05:56] <Riddell> kwwii!
[05:56] <Jucato> I mean, really, really like it
[05:56] <Riddell> kwwii: poke poke
[05:57] <Jucato> Hawkwind: :-D
[05:58] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ok, tell me what I need to test with Adept and step by step how to do it since I never use it 
[05:59] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ehehe! open up Adept Manager (K Menu > System) then go to the Adept menu (first one at the top). could you check if "Manage Repositories" is disabled?
[06:01] <Hawkwind> Where is Manage Repositories at ?  Heh
[06:01] <Hawkwind> I don't see that anywhere
[06:02] <Jucato> Hawkwind: It's supposed to be under "Fetch Updates" in the Adept menu 
[06:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes
[06:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: got an example of such a file?
[06:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: you download a comic book archive from say: http://www.aibq.com/catalog.php , and you open it with the archive
[06:02] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I click on Fetch Updates and it fetches stuff
[06:03] <Jucato> Hawkwind: no, underneat it.. hold on I'll get a screenie
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ohhhh no.  It's greyed out
[06:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: and you open the archive with the viewer :)
[06:03] <Jucato> Hawkwind: so you saw it already?
[06:04] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yep.  I can't click on it :(
[06:04] <Jucato> oh great... this is fun :-D
[06:05] <Hawkwind> I guess we have to edit sources.list by hand
[06:05] <Jucato> yes... I guess it will be fixed before final, or else, poor newbies..
[06:06] <shining> I think it's odd on konqueror start page
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Anyone filed a bug...or does someone know about it ?
[06:06] <shining> the blue corner
[06:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: and I have no clue as to how I would move the help files... I tried threw debian/rules, got errors... any ideas other than patching? (I have no clue where to start in the source...)
[06:06] <Jucato> Hawkwind: that's why I asked you, to confirm it. can't find a bug report about it...
[06:07] <Jucato> shining: yeah, also in KControl, KDE Help Center, KInfoCenter..
[06:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: you could just move it in the install rule
[06:07] <shining> Jucato: true
[06:08] <Jucato> was Adept's "Manager Repositories" disabled in Knot 2 for some reason? or is it really a bug?
[06:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: oh, yeah :) 
[06:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: konversation backported complete and amarok we have an issue with , kamoin says cant backport untill ....
[06:09] <imbrandon> Can't backport until bug 58144 is fixed.
[06:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58144 in soyuz "Backport is rejected if an older backport is already there" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58144
[06:10] <imbrandon> wow lag
[06:11] <Riddell> Jucato: looks like a bug
[06:12] <Jucato> Riddell: oh thanks. should I report it in LP?
[06:13] <jdong> imbrandon: whew, you managed to cram in quite some nice backports just in time for kamion :)
[06:13] <jdong> nice :)
[06:13] <Riddell> Jucato: bugs.kde.org better
[06:13] <Jucato> Riddell: ok. thanks!
[06:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: worry for wasting your time, but http://pastebin.ca/157454 ?
[06:13] <imbrandon> jdong: lol yea i was hoping to get them done before his "day" was over ;)
[06:13] <jdong> :)
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You going to file it ?
[06:14] <Jucato> Hawkwind: yeah :-D
[06:14] <Jucato> I'm gonna take a whack at filing a bug report in bugs.kde.org :-D
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Let me know the bug and I'll confirm it and/or post about it too
[06:15] <Jucato> ok. thanks!
[06:15] <ryanakca> Jucato: well, launchpad = 1 screen... bugs.kde = 3-4 screens
[06:16] <Jucato> aah...
[06:16] <ryanakca> but those 2-3 other screens ask for info people tend to forget to include in launchpad
[06:16] <Hawkwind> Jucato: What would I use in KDE to change screen res ?
[06:16] <Jucato> yeah. at least it has a "wizard" with explanations on what infor is needed...
[06:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: are you missing a tab at the start of line 14?
[06:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: and all the other lines in that install:: rule
[06:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: all lines in a make foo:: rule need a tab at the start of them
[06:17] <Jucato> Hawkwind: provided you're using the right driver? K Menu > System Settings > Monitor \& Display
[06:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: why would it need a tab at the start of line 14? oh... now I get it... so that cdbs knows that they are part of the install:: rule
[06:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: erm... and is it supposed to turn the line red in vim?
[06:19] <ryanakca> Nevermind, stupid question
[06:19] <Riddell> I don't use vim
[06:21] <ryanakca> same error... even with tabs
[06:22] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/157478
[06:24] <Riddell> yay, strigi in edgy
[06:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: $(CURDIR))  that looks bad
[06:25] <Riddell> on line 12 and 14, mismatched brackets
[06:29] <Jucato> Hawkwind: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388
[06:29] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I commented
[06:36] <Jucato> thanks!
[06:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Anything else you want me to test in Knot2 while I have it running ?
[06:39] <Jucato> hm... the Guidance Power Manager showing up twice when you log out and back in?
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Is that something in the taskbar or what ?
[06:43] <Jucato> system tray
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Yeah, same thing :P
[06:43] <Jucato> oh ok
[06:44] <Hawkwind> All I've got is a battery icon which is odd as I thought I told it not to start even though it says No battery found and a No Mixer Found icon
[06:44] <shining> "cannot find parent item" bug is gone again..
[06:44] <shining> Jucato: yes
[06:45] <shining> but.. it isn't an applet? why?
[06:46] <shining> klaptopdaemon is broken, but I see it would be replaced by kbattery something in kde4
[06:46] <Jucato> I'm guessing because guidance-power-manager is in /usr/bin/autostart? and that "restore from previous session" is on by default?
[06:46] <shining>  /usr/bin/autostart?
[06:46] <Jucato> lol sorry
[06:47] <Jucato>  /usr/share/autostart
[06:47] <Jucato> I guess it's a sign that I should be getting some sleep... :-D
[06:49] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[06:50] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ahhh, I think I might have disabled that right when I first logged in so that's why I don't see it on a restart
[06:50] <Jucato> ah good. thanks!
[06:50] <Jucato> "it's not a bug. it's a feature" TM...
[06:51] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I despise system trays so I delete it immediately
[06:51] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: pong
[06:52] <jdong> Riddell: guidance-power-manager should give a tooltip even when the battery is fully charged
[06:52] <imbrandon> Riddell: more sime goodness for kdebase
[06:52] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/kdebase.debdiff
[06:53] <imbrandon> i'll have a kdelibs one after bit
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Anything else you can think of for me to test ?
[06:53] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ehehe you're being too kind
[06:53] <Jucato> thanks!
[06:53] <Riddell> jdong: it did last I touched the code :)
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No problem.  It's not often I actually use and look at KDE
[06:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: cool
[06:54] <Jucato> hm.. does the installer now detect and install the proper/closest kernel for your system/architecture?
[06:54] <jdong> Riddell: hmm, my battery is fully charged and on AC, putting my mouse over the icon does nothing now
[06:54] <jdong> no indication at all
[06:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: that wont be needed in the near future
[06:54] <jdong> but if it's charging, or discharging, I can get the tooltip
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I can't verify that since I'm running it in vmware and my actual desktop box does happen to be an SMP box.  P4 3.2 GHz HT with 4GB of RAM :)
[06:55] <imbrandon> there is a big discussion about that on the -devel MML
[06:55] <Jucato> imbrandon: i'm going to be waiting for that... in the near future :-D
[06:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ah thanks!
[06:55] <Jucato> it was more of a general question for everyone
[06:55] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yeah I know.  I was just giving my comments on it 
[06:55] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:56] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Can you elaborate on that....will the installer choose an SMP kernel by default if you have an SMP system 
[06:56] <Jucato> I was just surprised when 'uname -r' spit out "2.6.17-6-686"
[06:56] <imbrandon> Jucato: e.g it will all be one kernel for x86 one for x86_64 one for ppc etc etc etc no more -k7 -686 etc etc etc needed
[06:56] <jdong> Jucato: what's wrong with that?
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Jucato: In vmware it installed the -386 kernel, which is normal
[06:56] <Jucato> I downloaded an installer that says 386?
[06:57] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hmmmm actually...I might can test it
[06:57] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: they will all have smp enabled
[06:57] <Jucato> it's the first time a 686 kernel was installed by default
[06:57] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I could have selected 2 CPU's in vmware then done the install
[06:57] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ehehe it's ok
[06:57] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: So users who don't have SMP will be forced to use an SMP kernel ?
[06:57] <jdong> hey, that's patent infringement (Intel HT) :P
[06:58] <Hawkwind> Patent smatent
[06:58] <Hawkwind> :)
[06:58] <jdong> :)
[06:58] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: its all the same, you should realy read the thread
[06:58] <jdong> wonder if vmware HT makes your system twice as slow, too :)
[06:58] <Hawkwind> LOL jdong
[06:58] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Is there a link to it since I'm not subscribed to any of the lists
[06:59] <imbrandon> lists.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <imbrandon> the -devel archives
[07:00] <imbrandon> shit Riddell
[07:00] <imbrandon> ping
[07:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: someone else ( Luka ? ) uploaded kdebase ubuntu12
[07:01] <imbrandon> so you will have to modify the debdiff a bit
[07:02] <imbrandon> it /JUST/ came accross -changes
[07:03] <imbrandon> luka == lure ?
[07:03] <imbrandon> guess so, but he isnt on irc but just uploaded , its not in the archive yet i dont guess
[07:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, no problem
[07:04] <Riddell> I uploaded kdebase for luka
[07:04] <imbrandon> okies hehe /me got worried
[07:05] <imbrandon> i was like man that wasent there 3 minutes ago
[07:05] <imbrandon> lol
[07:12] <bddebian> Hello
[07:13] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[07:14] <imbrandon> heh
[07:15] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[07:18] <Jucato> does Knot 2 now use upstart?
[07:20] <imbrandon> not be default
[07:21] <imbrandon> s/be/by
[07:21] <Jucato> aah
[07:21] <imbrandon> food time bbiab
[07:21] <Jucato> but Edgy final wil have it?
[07:21] <Riddell> Jucato: probably
[07:21] <Jucato> food time = Mt.Dew time
[07:21] <Jucato> aah. thanks Riddell!
[07:23] <Jucato> brb... restarting X...
[07:49] <nixternal> good job everyone on the Knot 2 release! lets continue kicking arse for Knot 3 ;)
[08:01] <jdong> hehe, this conroe extreme seems to compile konvo 1.0 faster than ubuntu build servers :)
[08:05] <apachelogger> either battery works with edgy, or I just had a lucky moment when booting
[08:05] <apachelogger> guess it's the latter as edgy neither can find a DSDT
[08:07] <apachelogger> uhm
[08:07] <apachelogger> installation doesn't go so well
[08:08] <jdong> gasp... did ubiquity crash?
[08:08] <jdong> that's certainly never happened before... ever
[08:08] <apachelogger> nope
[08:09] <apachelogger> partitioning doesn't work
[08:09] <apachelogger> did partion creating thingy change?
[08:09] <apachelogger> doesn't look like it tries to load qtparted
[08:09] <Hawkwind> I just installed knot2 in vmware and partitioned just fine
[08:09] <apachelogger> strange
[08:09] <jdong> Hawkwind: you do mean it gave you knot 2 much trouble, right?
[08:10] <Riddell> imbrandon, _Sime:  get a build error with kdebase and sime's patch
[08:10] <Riddell> /root/new/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.4/./kicker/applets/media/mediaapplet.cpp:34:20: error: medium.h: No such file or directory
[08:10] <Hawkwind> jdong: Heh, exactly
[08:10] <jdong> :)
[08:10] <apachelogger> lag lag lag, I hate image hosting
[08:10] <_Sime> Riddell: let me check the patch...
[08:10] <gnomefreak> backtrace with "coredump64" means its on a 64bit?
[08:11] <Riddell> _Sime: media.h is in kioslave/media/libmediacommon/medium.h which isn't in the include path as far as I can see
[08:11] <_Sime> Riddell: an update to the Makefile.am was in the patch.
[08:11] <_Sime> Riddell: should the patched Makefile.in etc also be in the patch?
[08:12] <Riddell> _Sime: no it shouldn't
[08:12] <_Sime> Riddell: errrr it is though.
[08:12] <Riddell> _Sime: there's no Makefile.am in the patch imbrandon gave me
[08:12] <apachelogger> http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1181/snapshot1nu3.png
[08:13] <imbrandon> erm ?
[08:13] <_Sime> Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kickermedia.diff
[08:13] <_Sime> Riddell: that should be the patch.
[08:14] <Riddell> _Sime: yep, just missing that Makefile.am, blame imbrandon (but in a nice way)
[08:14] <imbrandon> ern yea, the two makefiles are int the diff, wtf
[08:14] <_Sime> imbrandon: did you have to redo the patch or something?
[08:14] <_Sime> mmm
[08:14] <imbrandon> heh yea my bad, but i dunno how it isnt /me looks at his dir
[08:15] <imbrandon> _Sime: yea i redid them all
[08:15] <imbrandon> err both
[08:15] <imbrandon> but
[08:15] <imbrandon> just the paths
[08:15] <_Sime> imbrandon: should I be doing the patches differently?
[08:15] <imbrandon> eg the --- +++
[08:16] <imbrandon> i only had to modify the file paths
[08:16] <imbrandon> no biggie but i still dunno why that wasent in my diff
[08:16] <imbrandon> unless i applied it to both on accident
[08:17] <imbrandon> _Sime: easiest way is to debdiff the *.dsc files BUT the way your doing it is fine IMHO its only a 5 second edit
[08:18] <_Sime> imbrandon_: have you got a link to some decent and up to date docs about building .debs?
[08:18] <Riddell> apt-get source foo; put patch in debian/patches; debuild
[08:18] <Riddell> sorted :)
[08:19] <imbrandon> !packageguide
[08:19] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[08:19] <Riddell> but the patches you've been giving are fine
[08:19] <imbrandon> yup
[08:19] <imbrandon> what riddell said ;)
[08:19] <imbrandon> man bots slow today
[08:19] <imbrandon> but yea
[08:20] <jdong> imbrandon: tell #ubuntuforums and #ubuntu-bots to stop abusing them? ;)
[08:21] <imbrandon> i have no ops in #ubuntuforums, infact i've never heard of it, i stray away from the forums as much as possible
[08:22] <apachelogger> k, fixed the installer issue
[08:22] <apachelogger> at least I hope ^^
[08:22] <imbrandon> and -bots is made to be the playground ;)
[08:22] <_Sime> K3B seems to play quite nicely with mounted disks.
[08:22] <apachelogger> ah doesn't look like :(
[08:22] <apachelogger> sudo reboot ^^
[08:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:24] <ryanakca> soo... because of this ASUS + UUID thing.. I guess I can get myself an ASUS motherboard :)
[08:25] <danimo> hi
[08:26] <danimo> imbrandon_: whassup?
[08:26] <nixternal> hiya danimo
[08:26] <imbrandon> lo danimo still no go 
[08:26] <danimo> why?
[08:27] <imbrandon> been working on other things for a bit but i'll get back to that in a few
[08:27] <imbrandon> its still ftb
[08:28] <imbrandon> i have no idea, i went on to other things, i'll have to look back
[08:28] <imbrandon> or try it again
[08:29] <imbrandon> is beagle the only other dep added ?
[08:29] <imbrandon> i rember it was failing on the same thing again
[08:29] <imbrandon> with --disable-final and beagle
[08:29] <imbrandon> and beagle-dev
[08:30] <imbrandon> danimo: ^
[08:32] <apachelogger> hm
[08:32] <apachelogger> now even that edgy acpi still can't find a DSDT it seems to work properly with battery detection
[08:33] <apachelogger> *trying with dapper to edgy live reboot*
[08:44] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you say there was a kdelibs patch to come from sime?
[08:44] <danimo> imbrandon_: can you paste the error?
[08:44] <imbrandon> yea
[08:45] <danimo> imbrandon: please do so then :)
[08:45] <imbrandon> danimo: yea i will in a sec
[08:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: you just want simes diff, or make a debdiff ?
[08:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/kdelibs_3.5.4_sime_kfilespeedbar.diff
[08:48] <imbrandon> thats the only one i havent sent you yet ^
[08:50] <Riddell> cool, thanks
[08:51] <imbrandon> Riddell: got time for a small k-d-s debdiff ?
[08:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[08:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: i just pasebin'd it since its small
[08:53] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/157707
[08:53] <imbrandon> unless you need the actual file
[09:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: uploaded
[09:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: thanks
[09:37] <Mehercle> sudo apt-get -qq install <package> 
[09:37] <Mehercle> RETURNS :  DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
[09:37] <Mehercle> and Failed to open device
[09:38] <Mehercle> how can i fix this?
[09:40] <Mehercle> help
[09:42] <Mehercle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22262
[10:17] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44972
[10:17] <nixternal> cool ^^
[10:25] <kwwii_> interesting
[10:35] <nixternal> kwwii_: i just installed them...ey, not as good as he makes them look on the site
[10:35] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:35] <kwwii_> that is often the case :-)
[10:35] <nixternal> the folder icons are very hard to see on a white background..the kde menu icon is horrid
[10:36] <nixternal> and quick i might add
[10:36] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:36] <Lure> imbrandon, Riddell: konversation build failed: http://librarian.launchpad.net/4082805/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.konversation_1.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:36] <nixternal> uh oh
[10:37] <Lure> nixternal: where can you get o2?
[10:37] <nixternal> kde svn
[10:37] <Lure> nixternal: are they packaged?
[10:37] <nixternal> no
[10:37] <Lure> nixternal: ok, will look into them...
[10:38] <nixternal> i need to check updates...as they aren't complete, but you get the idea behind them w/o a doubt
[10:41] <Lure> Riddell: any plan for kde-guidance update (bug fixes, new icons...)?
[10:41] <Lure> Riddell: and thanks for ksmserver upload
[10:54] <imbrandon> Lure: ugh ok, give me a few
[11:11] <sebas> kwwii_: Do I smell an additional oxygen team member?
[11:11] <sebas> Get this guy busted and locked down before he can jump on a tree.
[11:13] <kwwii_> sebas: ? the realistik icon guy?
[11:14] <kwwii_> hi sebas, btw
[11:15] <sebas> hi kwwii_, and yes.
[11:15] <kwwii_> yeah, I could try to contact him, but artists are sometimes funny about joining already existing projects
[11:16] <kwwii_> I am afraid of scaring them off alltogether :-)
[11:17] <sebas> kwwii_: Well, send him an email and try.
[11:17] <sebas> You could start carefully that his work is quite nice (and note that you're on the oxygen team)
[11:17] <kwwii_> ;-)
[11:17] <sebas> In a second mail you write that he can get laid easily if he joined :>
[11:18] <sebas> (Is that true, btw?)
[11:18] <sebas> You know Ken, I'm secretly an artist ;-)
[11:18] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:19] <sebas> grrrrrrr ;-)
[11:20] <imbrandon> sebas: i was laughing at the "get laid" part ;)
[11:21] <sebas> I bet you were :P
[11:21] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping 
[11:22] <Riddell> hi imbrandon 
[11:23] <imbrandon> heya any idea why konversation ftb when it builds fine in pbuilder ?
[11:24] <jdong> imbrandon: konversation ftbfs'd?
[11:24] <Riddell> what does the build log say?
[11:25] <imbrandon> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4082805/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.konversation_1.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:25] <imbrandon> i just rebuilt again here to make sure
[11:25] <imbrandon> one sec
[11:26] <imbrandon> something about automake 1.9
[11:26] <toma> no ./configure ?
[11:26] <imbrandon> gah phone
[11:26] <imbrandon> brb
[11:30] <Riddell> hmm, autofoo breakage
[11:30] <Riddell> add autoconf1.9 and automake build-deps should fix it
[11:31] <danimo> ok, who broke knetworkmanager?
[11:32] <jdong> danimo: what's brok about it?
[11:33] <danimo> jdong: it's prolly a network manager problem, not a frondend issue
[11:33] <jdong> yeah, but what is it?
[11:33] <danimo> It doesn't seem to do anything
[11:33] <danimo> literally
[11:33] <jdong> mine works fine... :-/
[11:33] <danimo> I can't see any wireless lans
[11:33] <jdong> but kwallet isn't doing too well with remembering wep keys
[11:34] <danimo> and the debug messages indicate problems with dbus
[11:34] <jdong> just on my ipw3945 though; it behaves well on my atheros box
[11:34] <danimo> but the system dbus daemon is running
[11:34] <danimo> jdong: odd, should not be a matter of cards really
[11:34] <danimo> jdong: edgy vs dapper maybe?
[11:34] <Riddell> danimo: dbus got upgraded in edgy recently
[11:34] <Riddell> maybe knetworkmanager needs rebuilt
[11:35] <danimo> Riddell: maybe
[11:35] <jdong> danimo: running edgy on both my laptops
[11:35] <danimo> Riddell: I always forget that this doesn't happen automatically in debian or kubuntu
[11:35] <danimo> Riddell: suse always rebuilds all package deps with every change
[11:36] <danimo> all depending packages rather
[11:36] <jdong> was a rebuild not done?
[11:37] <jdong>  knetworkmanager (0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low
[11:37] <jdong>  .
[11:37] <jdong>    * Rebuild against dbus 0.90
[11:37] <jdong> done
[11:37] <jdong> not that :-/
[11:41] <danimo> and network-manager itself?
[11:43] <jdong> danimo: hmm, don't see a n-m rebuild
[11:43] <jdong> but why does my n-m work?  :-/
[11:47] <jdong> anyone know why I don't get OSD popups anymore with my volume buttons?
[11:47] <jdong> they change the volume correctly, but I don't get the shiny popup anymore
[11:48] <jdong> who writes / has access to kubuntu knot2 release notes?
[11:48] <jdong> firefox is not in universe!
[11:48] <kwwii_> but konqueror is
[11:49] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:49] <jdong> lol
[11:49] <kwwii_> :P
[11:49] <jdong> so, anyone have ideas on getting me my shiny OSD bubbles back?
[11:50] <kwwii_> hehe, get this: my photographer friend (non-computer wierdo) couldn't go for a beer tonight because he discovered google earth :-)
[11:50] <kwwii_> OSD bubbles?
[11:50] <toma> throw the laptop in  the water, you will get bubbles, when lucky even on your screen...
[11:51] <jdong> !lart toma
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart toma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <jdong> damn, doesn't work in here
[11:51] <danimo> works with nm-applet...
[11:51] <danimo> very odd
[11:51] <jdong> danimo: yay, let's get a newer knetworkmanager svn snapshot
[11:51] <jdong> new snapshot! new snapshot!
[11:52] <jdong> and by OSD bubbles, I mean https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=volume.png
[11:52] <jdong> the shiny things you're advertising in your release notes THAT I AM NOT GETTING????
[11:52] <jdong> ;)
[11:52] <danimo> works here (tm)
[11:53] <kwwii_> hehe, you mean the old wallpaper from dapper
[11:53] <kwwii_> you liked that?
[11:53] <kwwii_> I mean, I made it
[11:53] <kwwii_> but seriously, you liked that?
[11:54] <jdong> kwwii_: old wallpaper? I mean the volume thingie
[11:54] <kwwii_> ahhhhhhhhh
[11:54] <danimo> kwwii_: hehe
[11:54] <kwwii_> now I feel much better
[11:54] <jdong> they don't show up for me
[11:54] <jdong> is there any way I could've accidentally turned them off?
[11:54] <kwwii_> maybe you just haven't earned it yet
[11:54] <kwwii_> no idea
[11:54] <jdong> :-/
[11:54] <danimo> kwwii_: is the icon for the guidance power tool gonna change?
[11:54] <danimo> kwwii_: looks pretty 2D
[11:54] <kwwii_> press the buttons harder, that seems to help sometimes
[11:55] <kwwii_> click longer
[11:55] <kwwii_>  and more often
[11:55] <jdong> my ears are bleeding!
[11:55] <jdong> and it still hasn't popped up
[11:55] <danimo> jdong: praying to the goddess of buttons helps, too
[11:55] <kwwii_> danimo: yeah, I need to make a 3d version
[11:55] <kwwii_> but at 22x22 it is kinda hard
[11:55] <kwwii_> with all the states, etc.
[11:55] <jdong> alright, I'm gonna start filling up launchpad unless you give me some good ideas :)
[11:56] <danimo> kwwii_: a gradient for the filling would be nice, but it's incredible hard in Qt 3
[11:56] <danimo> kwwii_: it's 2 lines in Qt 4
[11:56] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:56] <danimo> and I mean for about _any_ kind of gradient
[11:57] <kwwii_> I have officially stopped saying "kde4 $whatever will be possible"
[11:57] <kwwii_> I keep wondering what everyone is going to expect :p
[11:57] <danimo> kwwii_: Well, I just said Qt 4...
[11:57] <danimo> :)
[11:57] <kwwii_> and I don't want to scare the gnome peeps
[11:57] <kwwii_> :p
[11:57] <danimo> kwwii_: and I won't stop. hurts book sales ;)
[11:57] <kwwii_> danimo: I saw that....how is that going?
[11:58] <kwwii_> do we have to introduce as "author of the best-selling ..."
[11:58] <danimo> kwwii_: will be available around the 20th in your favourite book store
[11:58] <danimo> kwwii_: we'll see :)
[11:58] <danimo> kwwii_: as long as _somebody_ buys _some_ books, I'm a happy man
[11:59] <kwwii_> ;-)
[11:59] <kwwii_> danimo: have you seen all the new artwork in knot2?
[11:59] <danimo> kwwii_: anything on top of that: awesome
[11:59] <danimo> kwwii_: well, I use edgy, even though its next to painful currently
[11:59] <danimo> kwwii_: it's nice
[11:59] <danimo> kwwii_: even though the konq theming is broken
[11:59] <kwwii_> I mean, it is still rough around the edges, but generally speaking I think it is some of the best work I have done in a long time
[12:00] <danimo> kwwii_: and I'm not much of a purple fan in general
[12:00] <kwwii_> things are coming together really well
[12:00] <jdong> anyone tried to see if ff 2.0b2 works with b1's diff.gz?
[12:00] <danimo> but I never thought that purple would go so well with the blue kubuntu crystal icon
[12:01] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:02] <danimo> seriously
[12:02] <danimo> I thought they were too similar to look good next to each other
[12:02] <kwwii_> I have to admit that the oxygen icons look much better with it
[12:03] <danimo> kwwii_: I am using the oxygen icons, but shhhh :)
[12:03] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:03] <kwwii_> lots of people are
[12:03] <danimo> kwwii_: btw: can we use the oxygen icons for the developernew wiki?
[12:03] <kwwii_> but we don't want to spoil the fun for the general public when kde4 comes out
[12:03] <danimo> and kde websites in general
[12:03] <danimo> kwwii_: right
[12:03] <kwwii_> danimo: once we have some serious news about kde4, sure
[12:04] <sebas> danimo: You finished the book?
[12:04] <danimo> kwwii_: not all, but some of them would be useful to use on the web
[12:04] <kwwii_> true
[12:04] <danimo> sebas: yes :)
[12:04] <sebas> Title? 
[12:04] <danimo> sebas: "Qt 4 - Einfhrung in die Anwendungsentwicklung"
[12:04] <danimo> sebas: not sure about the english title
[12:04] <Riddell> danimo: does it cover qt 4.2?
[12:04] <danimo> sebas: not my business
[12:04] <danimo> Riddell: nope
[12:04] <sebas> Now you're working on the translation ito english? ;-)
[12:04] <sebas> Ah, ok.
[12:04] <danimo> sebas: no, OPB
[12:05] <Riddell> I think the English title should be Entwickling for Dummies
[12:05] <kwwii_> danimo: we want oxygen to be a direct effort for kde4, to contain the "wonder" for that 
[12:05] <sebas> Riddell: They should definitely keep the "Entwicklung" indeed.
[12:05] <danimo> kwwii_: I know, otherwise I wouln't be asking
[12:05] <danimo> kwwii_: I am only asking for a subset
[12:05] <danimo> kwwii_: inventing new icons would be silly
[12:05] <kwwii_> danimo: send a mail to all@oxygen-icons.org
[12:05] <danimo> kwwii_: ok
[12:06] <sebas> The glassy artwork is awesome
[12:06] <Riddell> what does Anwendungsentwicklung mean?
[12:06] <sebas> As is the silverish blue kubuntu logo on black background, it's much easier on the eye than the blueblue.
[12:06] <danimo> Riddell: application development
[12:06] <sebas> application development
[12:06] <kwwii_> program development
[12:06] <sebas> gnar.
[12:06] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:06] <kwwii_> yeah
[12:08] <Riddell> sometimes I wonder why Germans bother with spaces at all :)
[12:08] <danimo> Riddell: hehe
[12:08] <sebas> kwwii_: The yellow inside the violet does look a bit 'dirty'
[12:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[12:08] <sebas> The wallpaper that is.
[12:08] <sebas> howdy bddebian 
[12:09] <danimo> kwwii_: yeah, at first I was afraid that my laptop display broke
[12:09] <bddebian> Hello sebas
[12:09] <danimo> kwwii_: but now that the shock is gone, I like it :)
[12:09] <kwwii_> wait till the next version
[12:09] <kwwii_> then you will really hate it :p
[12:09] <danimo> kwwii_: oha