[12:12] dapper to edgy is very unsmooth today [12:13] decide to upgrade work lappy [12:13] Preparing to replace koffice-libs 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (using .../koffice-libs_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ... [12:13] Unpacking replacement koffice-libs ... [12:13] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-libs_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack): [12:13] trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/krossrunner', which is also in package koshell [12:13] dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Just] [12:24] bad i now have a completly useless machine [12:28] try removing koffice and reinstalling it when done === gnomefreak always uses a bad command to fix that error :( === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] heya danimo [12:37] heya! [12:37] imbrandon: kickoff is on svn. if you are brave enough... :) [12:37] WOW [12:38] s/on/in/ [12:38] yes i've been waiting [12:38] insanekane: it's in a working branch [12:38] err [12:38] got a svn url ? [12:38] imbrandon: ^^^ [12:38] imbrandon: and it adds dependencies [12:38] ok [12:38] on ? [12:38] yea i've just finished up my amarok and konversation so its perfect timing [12:38] svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/suse_kickoff [12:39] spcial since i have to patch kdebase and kdelibs anyhow hehehe [12:39] imbrandon: warning: it's a complete kdebase branch [12:39] imbrandon: you only need parts of it [12:39] cool [12:39] i.e. kicker/ and kcontrol/kicker [12:39] danimo: you rock man [12:39] imbrandon: but you need to fiddel out that yourself :) [12:39] right [12:40] heh i was just grabbing the factoryt iso and was gonna see if there was an rpm yet [12:40] lol [12:40] imbrandon: just do me a favour and tell me when you have something working. and don't advertize it as end-user packages, please [12:40] imbrandon: this is still very beta [12:40] i wont [12:40] and i will [12:40] err reverse that [12:41] imbrandon: plus it would be unfair to steal the show of the novell guys who put it in svn to just to let everyone work on it [12:41] yay now i have to keep up with FOUR kdebase dirs [12:41] imbrandon: (they don't have public packages even for suse afaik) [12:41] imbrandon: not sure though [12:41] danimo: yea they said they won untill the 7th [12:41] ;) [12:41] imbrandon: 7th? [12:41] imbrandon: what date is that? [12:41] the alpha 4 release [12:41] imbrandon: what are the other dirs? [12:42] imbrandon: of 10.2? ah [12:42] kdebase sime , kdebase edgy , kdebase osx , and now kdebase kickstart [12:42] sime? [12:42] err kickoff [12:42] _Sime's been working on some patches as of late [12:42] danimo: sime == Simon I guess [12:42] hehe, everyone is miscalling it kickstart at some point [12:42] danimo: hi [12:42] fixcing some media:/ stuff [12:43] ah [12:43] hi allee! [12:43] imbrandon: I call it the biggest user visible change in 3.* series [12:43] yea [12:44] allee: kickoff won't be part of any official 3.x release for that reason [12:44] distro's are free to add it of course === allee remember that kubuntu wanted to stay are close to kde as possible. Looks like sticking with media: was impossible [12:45] danimo: err, I meant Simons chagnes not kickstart ;) [12:45] allee when was that said ? i think the purple and simes patches kinda throw that out [12:45] i wouldent like a default kde , if i wanted that i coudl use debian unstable hehe [12:46] imbrandon: well, graphics does not count here. [12:46] sides this is edgy ;) [12:47] danimo: btw konversation 1.0 final is uploaded to my repos [12:47] i have to wait for edgy becouse of the freezy for knot2 [12:48] imbrandon: well linux tag in Wiesbaden, it was talked about to make kubuntu sort of reference distro for kde. So combining applicatins is okay and changing graphics style too. Code changes where planed to feed back in coordination with KDE. [12:49] nice [12:49] sure and i think thats happening for the most part [12:49] imbrandon: but media:/ changes don't fit 3.5.* cylce rules. but are necessary nevertheless [12:49] kind of a testbed [12:49] imbrandon: when do you think you'll be able to build kickoff packages? [12:49] danimo: you were with us. Did I explain correctly? [12:49] danimo: i'm checking out svn right now [12:49] heh [12:50] allee: let me read, sec [12:50] err danimo i dont think thats the whole branch [12:50] allee: I don't see the problem with media? [12:50] imbrandon: what's the whole branch? [12:51] http://pastebin.ca/156697 [12:51] danimo: ^ [12:51] imbrandon: when you look at the kubunt screenshot and a plain unstream screenshot. You still see that it's the same KDE [12:51] allee and thats BAD imho [12:51] very bad [12:51] danimo: imbrandon no [12:52] imbrandon: well, you checked out with -N [12:52] If we get good stuff, we should push back and not divert more and more [12:52] imbrandon: why exactly is the result surprising? [12:52] allee look at ubuntu screen shot and a gnome upstream sceenshot [12:52] ugh danimo dident notice, forced habbit === danimo tends to agree with allee [12:52] everything that can be fed back should be fed back [12:53] ohh yea i totaly agree with that [12:53] as far as sending back [12:53] and if it's only for a reduced patchset === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] so what is the problem? [12:53] [17:51] imbrandon: when you look at the kubunt screenshot and a plain unstream screenshot. You still see that it's the same KDE << thats [12:54] that is very wrong imho [12:54] no problem. Just that we can push back in this case ;) [12:54] yea ;) [12:54] push back is good ;) [12:54] imbrandon: well, I think it's not a problem that kubuntu does not deliver a vanilla KDE [12:54] In fact changing KDE is just fine, there won't change things anymore upstream, so it's even easy to keep local patches working [12:55] And trying stuff for KDE4 would be another reason why KDE wants Kubuntu to be more progressive, Sime's media:/ stuff is quite a good example. [12:55] danimo: i agree [12:55] sebas: well, we still do accept a lot the kind of patches that kubuntu includes in its patches [12:55] sebas: maybe in a more generic form [12:55] danimo: Yeah, but it's still kinda frozen. [12:55] So kickoff, it won't be. [12:55] sebas: yeah, sure [12:55] yea i think we're all on the same page here just saying it diffrent [12:55] sebas: I completely agree! [12:55] imbrandon: I was about to say :) [12:56] OTOH, for Kubuntu it would be boring not to change stuff in KDE :> [12:56] sebas: of course. [12:56] Especially since distro integration has room for improvement, good examples are adept and the guidance modules *cough* === allee likes media changes a lot. === sebas too. [12:57] what exact changes do they include? [12:57] allee yea me too , i need to get _Sime latest patches uploaded [12:57] I've briefly seen it on Sime's machine, last saturday. [12:57] sebas: btw: no suspend2 in edgy still? [12:57] He lives quite close to my place. [12:57] sebas: I am fed up with swsusp in edgy at this poin [12:57] if other distros are not crazy they will adapt to soon. the only upstream is a fork. heheh [12:57] sebas: it's worse than in dapper [12:57] danimo: Didn't follow that, and I'm not living on the Edgy [12:57] ah [12:57] danimo: basicly takes system:/ and media:/ away and intergrates it into / and /media , plus a slew of other things [12:58] s/adapt/use Simon patches/ [12:58] imbrandon: well, system:/ and media:/ are not strictly bad things [12:58] danimo: What is actually worse? [12:58] danimo: you should read the wiki / blog post on it [12:58] sebas: the system now only resumes in about less than 10% of all cases [12:59] imbrandon: yes, because it was never properly integrated [12:59] Ouch. [12:59] danimo: afaik with repect to suspend ubuntu will stick with vanila kernel [12:59] Since FrosCon, suspend only rarely fails on me. [12:59] allee: annoys me... [12:59] I think I'm still running the kernel I rolled there :> [12:59] allee: Ah, where did you hear that? [01:00] imbrandon: like people complain about system:/ not working with their apps. in fact, a drag object now includes media:/ as well as the normal filesystem url [01:00] only for kde apps though [01:00] I demoed suspend2 to BenC at the UDS in Paris, and he seemed quite impressed by both, features and intrusiveness of patches. [01:00] imbrandon: nope [01:00] imbrandon: the point is to support non-kde-apps, too [01:01] imbrandon: say you drag a media url [01:01] sebas:that what I remeber from eith #ubuntu-kernel of #ubuntu-meeting. This is at least some month old info. maybe things changed but I doubt it. [01:01] yea but people still see that in the address bar ( the url media:/ blah [01:01] ) [01:01] imbrandon: right, which is not a bad thing in kde apps [01:01] allee: Ow, could well be. As I said, I didn't follow after that, and I didn't see Ben asking lots of questions or sending patches to the suspend2 list. [01:01] sure it is [01:01] imbrandon: why? [01:02] danimo: if only kde apps use that and in a homogiouns enviroment like 99.9% of env out therre it confuses the new user === sebas finde home:/ an utterly broken concept. [01:02] yes, it is [01:02] but [01:02] well, what the hell [01:02] hehe [01:02] The only good thing about home:/ is that hardly anyone knows it's there. [01:02] danimo: check out the wiki [01:03] I could explain how non-kde-apps are broken for not accepting the alternative URL [01:03] but that won't help [01:03] not really ;) [01:03] it's really sad though [01:03] becouse it dosent help the end user [01:03] right [01:03] imbrandon: that's why I just dismissed my argument :) [01:03] danimo: i tend to agree but this is a nice solution to have the functionality and the proper url useage === sebas points at imbrandon and nods. [01:05] danimo: btw judging from the rest of my build success today lol it will be about ~4 hours for debs [01:05] ( the kickoff ) [01:05] my comp has been bogged down with 3 to 5 pbuilders running all day [01:06] ;) [01:06] And now think of all those Gentoo users, laid back and smile. [01:06] lol [01:07] imbrandon: I'll have to go to bed now, can you drop me a mail? === sebas considers funrolllooping himself into bed. [01:07] imbrandon: with the url [01:07] danimo: sure thing [01:07] imbrandon: danimo@kde.org [01:07] kk [01:07] imbrandon: cool stuff, cu [01:07] (And no, I'm not at danimo's :P) [01:07] sebas: not at this time ;) [01:07] Indeed, not this time. [01:07] hahahah sebas i was just goonna ask [01:08] sebas: btw: froscon 07 planning kicks off next week [01:08] You dare. :P === sebas might add some if hostname == "voyager": breakStuff() in guidance. [01:08] hahahaha === imbrandon echo "sebas" >> /etc/hostname [01:09] imbrandon: btw: the initial import of kickoff says: 'WARNING: it's crashing here and there if $USER != "dirk"' [01:09] :) [01:09] LOL [01:10] imbrandon: but I think it shouldn't be too bad at this point :) [01:10] imbrandon: I did something like that two weeks ago, then I wasn't able to sudo anymore. [01:10] probably not bim said its been beta tested internaly for some weeks [01:10] It was a >, rather than a >> though. [01:10] sebas: yea you have to change it in etc/hosts too [01:10] ok guys, gnite [01:10] gnight danimo [01:10] nite danimo [01:11] imbrandon: Aye, I figured that the "hostname" program would do that for me. [01:11] Anyways, sleep() [01:11] hehe gnight === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54954A33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] well, so much for installing knot2 [01:19] would have been nice to test things now and again [01:22] what went wrong? it installed here [01:22] ( on the ibook ) [01:22] i just cant get network lol [01:22] it does not boot all the way throgh [01:22] ahh bummer [01:23] it simply reverts to a command line after bitching about not mounting hdc....the machine had the same problem last time and only a text install worked === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === derekS [n=dereks@unaffiliated/dereks] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] imbrandon: ping? [01:27] ping [01:27] err pong [01:27] hehe [01:27] question for you [01:27] yesterday when we were talking === imbrandon runs [01:27] you said you have your email fwd to gmail and you just dl with fetchmail and run your own imap server? [01:27] ..... [01:28] thats correct === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-3-16.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:28] heya apokryphos [01:29] i am considering doing that because my isps email is sucking (dh).... do you use gmail hosted or regular? [01:29] what do you mean ? [01:29] gmail hosted ? [01:29] imbrandon: hi, how's it going? [01:29] where you use your own domain? [01:29] great ;) [01:30] derekS: i have a few domains but none are gmail hosted [01:30] all my pop email i set to forward to a normal gmail account ( blholtsclaw@gmail.com ) [01:30] and fetchmail from that [01:31] onto my imap server [01:31] then i get my mail that way , and sed out through my isp's smtp [01:31] send* === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:31] imbrandon: that was going to be my question... which isp you send out via [01:32] err [01:32] which computer [01:32] what ever one i'm running the client on [01:32] it sends via smtp-server.kc.rr.com [01:32] ( my isp ) [01:33] what i am considering doing is pulling dreamhost as my email server... giving it to google.... then using fetchmail to dl it, then have them all use google hosted smtp server [01:33] most of my domains are on DH [01:33] just goto the email screen on the cp [01:34] and forward the email addresses to a gmail account [01:34] thats all i do [01:34] real simeple, and easy to change should i hate gmail later [01:34] ;) [01:34] imbrandon: why not just pull the hosting from them temporarily? [01:34] err for the time being [01:34] derekS: becouse changes then take 24+ hours [01:35] sometimes longer for dns to propigate [01:35] hmmm ok [01:35] there is no downside either ;) [01:35] i can change it at a whim and on a per user basis [01:35] the one thing i am worried about is my imap server on my home connection being slow :( [01:36] well 99% of the time i'm on the same lan so its no biggie to me [01:36] and when i'm not its just email ;) [01:36] see... my pda phone needs some loving :) === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54954A33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong|coreduo [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] ohh and i somewhat fixed my xdmcp bug [01:52] i disabled ipv6 and it binds to udp instead of udp6.... luckily i don't need ipv6 yet. [01:53] derekS: umm, that's not called a fix... that's a workaround :) [01:55] jdong|coreduo: haha yeah [01:56] now if only the xdmcp actually worked :) [01:59] derekS: ack, find yourself some freenx debs and call it a day :P [02:00] heh yea nx is much easier and faster [02:00] ;) [02:00] nx rocks [02:00] seveeas has them in his repos [02:00] haha [02:00] and more secure, too [02:00] but fwiw xdmcp works fine here [02:01] imbrandon: i think its a problem with my setup now [02:01] heh my dist-upgrade is still going [02:01] AUDIT: Thu Aug 31 19:59:58 2006: 7234 Xnest: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.0.5 Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 [02:01] googloing === jdong|coreduo thinks derekS has a configuration problem on his end :) [02:05] jdong|coreduo: definitely [02:17] hmm, (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension on this X server [02:17] which server is *THIS* [02:20] sounds like the error i got with nvidia and new xorg [02:20] that should be pretty intuitive unless you're running multiple X servers [02:20] gnomefreak: i am running the xserver via the network :) [02:21] derekS: if your using xgl install server-xgl [02:21] ah [02:21] crimsun: i am running it by X -query [another machines ip] :1 [02:22] so look at the head number you just specified. [02:22] gnomefreak: not using xgl... or composite (to my knowledge) [02:22] i saw [02:22] crimsun: head number? i looked at the xorg logs for that head and got that error [02:23] derekS: maybe I missed something, but why are you asking for the "this" reference, then? [02:23] i am not sure whether *this* is the remote machine or this one [02:24] the X server is running on :1. [02:24] crimsun: thats the remote [02:24] so i loging via ssh to that machine, comment out Load GLX.... restart everything.... still get that [02:25] of course, that's would be indirect rendering. [02:25] what's unclear about that? [02:26] crimsun: i am not 100% familiar with this stuff [02:26] indirect rendering? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] did anyone notice kubuntu automaticlly puts a grub image in /boot/grub/menu.lst. wouldnt be too bad but it doesnt work its not using the right partition [02:33] "meaning it fails if /boot is not on the same partition as /"? [02:34] or /usr, rather, not / [02:34] it was (,0) as the boot partition. you get a black screen press any key it couldnt find boot or something like that [02:35] its been like that since i re-installed last week i finally got around to it just now === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.26.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@32.Red-83-56-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-247-41.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-247-41.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] morning all === Jucato silently greets Hobbsee [04:34] Jucato: :) you can talk here you know, we're not scary === Jucato says "hehehe!" [04:34] oh no! this could be the init-crack stuff! [04:35] bluez-cups bluez-utils console-tools initscripts konversation [04:35] libconsole libsensors3 libvolumeid0 sysv-rc sysvinit udev volumeid [04:36] no [04:36] that's just Scott splitting stuff out in preparation for upstrat. [04:36] upstart, too. [04:37] oh right [04:41] crimsun: any idea as to when that python will be fixed? Or who I can poke to offer help (however feeble it is)? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] ryanakca: which python? [04:41] the python2.3 one? [04:41] doko knows [04:42] imbrandon: drat. [04:42] yes, the uninstallable one [04:42] imbrandon: ignore my email. :P === Hobbsee should correct her filters. [04:42] Hobbsee: done many hours ago ;) [04:42] i told you i was on the list days ago heh [04:43] Riddell: has my diff all ready to upload once the freeze is over , along with konversation ;) [04:43] imbrandon: i'm barely awake :P [04:43] imbrandon: i just got woken up and told to move my car. === imbrandon is playing with the new suse menu [04:44] ooh, fun :) [04:44] screenshot? [04:44] its not done compiling yet === Jucato whoa... jealous... [04:44] it just got put into svn a few hours ago [04:45] voyager has 3 instances of kdebase and kdelibs going ;) [04:45] 6 pbuilders, its busy for a bit [04:45] imbrandon: ah right. fair enough [04:45] imbrandon: so i should examine ppracer locally === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:46] heh probably [04:46] ooh... suse menu... is that the one everybody was oohing at a week ago? [04:46] you wouldent likely get many cpu cycles on voyager or enterprise atm [04:46] ryanakca: yea it just hit kde svn [04:46] sweet === Hobbsee hits "i want all bugmail" on a few more packages [04:47] Hobbsee: lol... hadn't I allready taught you that was a bad idea a couple weeks back? flooding your inbox? :D [04:47] lol [04:48] ryanakca: heh. [04:48] nah she just forwards it to me ~12 hours late ;) [04:48] ryanakca: that's a side effect of being subscribed to bugmail from kubuntu-meta/kdebase/kdelibs [04:48] imbrandon: :P [04:48] ryanakca: what do you think happens everytime sync requests get done [04:48] my inbox suddenly doubles by 2x# of sync requests filled [04:49] Hobbsee: SPAM! ? === Jucato noticed -devel suddenly burst into life when Hobbsee arrived... [04:49] Jucato: :) [04:49] Jucato: it's less dead than it used to be :) [04:49] makes it much more interesting [04:49] when i started lurking in here, any sign of life would send people into shock :P [04:49] ok i'm off for a while, Hobbsee you more than welcome to try voyager but i dooubt its worth anything, looks like smoke is comming from it as it churns suse code [04:49] ryanakca: i dont get too much of that - gmail does a nice job of filtering [04:49] imbrandon: haha, right. === Jucato waves goodbye to imbrandon === Hobbsee watches as it blows up [04:50] heh i hope not i havent backed it up in a week [04:50] lol === imbrandon needs to turn that cronjob back on [04:50] haha === Hobbsee is afk for a bit === Jucato also goes AFK for a while [04:51] and everybody disappears, and leaves me to decide on C++ or bed === imbrandon turns on some shakira music and beds === Jucato smiles === imbrandon is listening to "Que Me Quedes Tu" by Shakira on Laundry Service [Amarok] [04:53] again? [04:53] ryanakca: c++ [04:53] ooh, my next assignment might be otu by now [04:53] thats the first song on the playlist ;) === imbrandon is listening to "Underneath Your Clothes" by Shakira on Laundry Service [Amarok] [04:54] anyone else play planetpenguin-racer here? === imbrandon actualy beds for a few hours this time [04:54] not me Hobbsee , UO only ;) [04:54] imbrandon: UO? === Jucato ultima online [04:55] Ultima Online [04:55] ahhh... [04:56] hmmm.. this says it's an alpha [04:56] Hobbsee: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss8.png === ryanakca beds [04:57] imbrandon: nice :) === Jucato remembers that screenshot... [04:57] that under wine, or native, or what? === Jucato sees his name in the background... [04:57] wine [04:58] heh i guess i could do one of actualy IN the game ;) [04:59] :P === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] hmmm. i think i might version this ppracer_0.4.9-alpha.orig.tar.gz or something [05:00] seeing as i want 0.5 to overwrite it, if it occurs [05:04] Hobbsee: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss17.png notice what my char is saying ;) === Jucato says "um..." === Jucato lol [05:05] imbrandon: hehe [05:05] ok now, bed ;) [05:05] that's a lot of channels [05:05] haha thats my "normal" channels ;) [05:05] lol === Jucato oops.... [05:06] Jucato: why oops? === Jucato says "forgot to /me the lol" [05:07] hehehe! ok I'm gonna take the courage to ask... [05:07] imbrandon: what icon set are you using? [05:07] oxygen [05:07] from svn? [05:07] yea [05:07] whoa.... do they have a sort of beta? I'm really interested in that... [05:07] Jucato: why are you /me 'ing anyway? [05:07] Jucato: unfortunately, we cant release edgy with it :( [05:08] lol.. tryng to be silent... [05:08] no, I mean, just for personal use? [05:08] Jucato: not realy you can check it out of the public svn and build them [05:08] ok. thanks! [05:08] Hobbsee: we COULD as they are gpl but that wouldent be cool ;) === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-183-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] imbrandon: :P [05:10] Jucato: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss18.png <-- thats the clean desktop with the oxygen icons [05:11] *sob* they're so beautiful.... [05:11] although the KDE logo probably deserves a change... === imbrandon hugs his desktop [05:12] could I share a link that's unrelated to Kubuntu, but a bit related to Linux? it's for laughs... [05:14]