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| Viper550 | Does anyone know how to preform the patch on the Crystal source that adds in the new Kubuntu Edgy buttons to Crystal? | 12:09 |
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| volvoguy | hey folks, long time no talk! how are things in the ubuntu artwork world? | 12:12 |
| Viper550 | Going excellently... | 12:12 |
| volvoguy | loverly! i've been trying to psych myself up to getting some work done here again. | 12:13 |
| volvoguy | did any community created stuff make it into dapper? i was helping with the release before that and there wasn't much communication between this group and canonical. | 12:19 |
| Viper550 | Yeah, several themes | 12:19 |
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| volvoguy | cool. | 12:20 |
| Viper550 | And, we've got several new themes for Edgy coming along as well: Peace, Dash, Blubuntu, and my theme Tropic | 12:21 |
| volvoguy | i'm still most interested in SVG stuff, so i'll have to catch up with things on the wiki and see if there's anything i can do. | 12:21 |
| volvoguy | nice... i've been patiently waiting all day to see knot-2 show up. are the new themes in the main repository or do we have our own CVS-type setup now? | 12:23 |
| Viper550 | not quite yet, go to the wiki and you can find links to the ones in progress | 12:24 |
| volvoguy | okey dokey. :) | 12:24 |
| volvoguy | have any of you heard if knot-2 is still expected today? they're busy arguing about sound card drivers in the main channel. | 12:26 |
| Viper550 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/ThemeTeams | 12:26 |
| Viper550 | But from what I hear, Knot 2 Kubuntu has a new default theme | 12:26 |
| volvoguy | cool. i've never really liked KDE, but i put knot-1 kubuntu on my canonical laptop and forced myself to use it for a while and now i'm really digging it. | 12:27 |
| volvoguy | Tropic looks nice btw. | 12:30 |
| Viper550 | Thanks, that's my theme! Wondering how it started? | 12:33 |
| volvoguy | sure! :) | 12:34 |
| Viper550 | Started out as a Silver, Green, and Orange theme using the gFlat engine | 12:34 |
| Viper550 | I got all that from the lamps on my network router... | 12:34 |
| volvoguy | heh | 12:35 |
| Viper550 | But then, I switched it over to Ubuntulooks | 12:35 |
| volvoguy | i actually like color combos like that. | 12:35 |
| Viper550 | But then, some people complained about saturation and stuff like that, so I then tried it with just Orange, changing the direction alot. | 12:36 |
| Viper550 | Tropic is now a tribute to the original Ubuntulooks theme from Flight 4 of Dapper (before it got caramelled) | 12:36 |
| volvoguy | yeah, i was kinda hoping it'd stay on the orange side. | 12:37 |
| Viper550 | Then, I prepared to possibly move it to Murrine by porting it to Candido | 12:38 |
| volvoguy | that's where i get lost with theming - how the different engines fit in. | 12:39 |
| Viper550 | Murrine is actually pretty nice | 12:39 |
| volvoguy | are the engines basically the widgets and different themes just color variations? | 12:40 |
| Viper550 | yes. | 12:41 |
| volvoguy | gotcha. | 12:41 |
| volvoguy | that's what i really wanted to push when i was overseeing things (breezy-era) - not necessarily more engines, but as many color variations as possible. | 12:43 |
| volvoguy | this group was created a little too late for breezy though, and i had to drop out of things shortly after that release. | 12:44 |
| Viper550 | oh... | 12:45 |
| Viper550 | But, every engine offers unique options and appearances | 12:45 |
| volvoguy | yeah. it would be nice though (and i think i've heard it's in the works) if the end user could pick a theme and choose their own color scheme - as you can do in KDE and windows. | 12:47 |
| volvoguy | and i'm really looking forward to cairo-powered themes. | 12:48 |
| Viper550 | That might be sorta a reality with QtCurve... | 12:48 |
| Viper550 | But, Ubuntulooks, ClearLooks 2, and Murrine are Cairo | 12:48 |
| volvoguy | really? even in dapper? | 12:48 |
| Viper550 | Yes. But I don't think Clearlooks is. But on Fedora Core 5 (my distro), it comes with Cairo Clearlooks...AS THE DEFAULT THEME! | 12:49 |
| zebedee | Hi I am not sure how I got here and I am very new at Ubuntu, but I like it alot... I have a question if anyone is free to help... I am trying to use evolution mail and I keep gettin a msge saying @cold not send msge, broken pipe'... Can anyone tell me what this means and how to fix it, please. Thanks in advance Z | 12:52 |
| volvoguy | hey zebedee - you probably want to be over in the regular ubuntu channel. | 12:53 |
| zebedee | Told you I was new at it, its supposed to read ...could not send msge.. How do I get there Heeeeeeeeelp... | 12:54 |
| volvoguy | i don't use IRC much myself, let's see if this works.... | 12:54 |
| volvoguy | try typing "/join #ubuntu" | 12:54 |
| volvoguy | without quotes | 12:55 |
| zebedee | lol...type it where? | 12:55 |
| volvoguy | where you're typing everything else here. :) | 12:55 |
| volvoguy | it should open a new window or tab for the ubuntu channel. | 12:56 |
| zebedee | thanx I will give it a go :-) | 12:57 |
| volvoguy | no problem! :) | 12:57 |
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| zebedee | Nice one, it worked and I managed to find it, hooray hope they are as helpful over on reg ubuntu! Have a nice evening... LOL just realised I am on artwork!! Sorry ... | 01:00 |
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| bonZiiii | heya | 01:06 |
| bonZiiii | i just made | 01:06 |
| bonZiiii | 2 wallpapers | 01:07 |
| bonZiiii | does anybody wanna see them | 01:07 |
| bonZiiii | and assess them? | 01:07 |
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| cbx33 | has the decision been made on usplash yet? | 03:58 |
| sladen | cbx33: what decision? | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | well, there was talk of a hi res one? | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | and when i asked a few weeks ago | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | i was told it was all in astate of flux | 03:59 |
| sladen | cbx33: yes, what decision were you wondering about? | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | well, my wife is doing the artwork for edubuntu | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | we were wondering if we could start making the final images yet? | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | ie what res, colour palette/indexing | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | if you get my drift? | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | hi kwwii | 04:02 |
| kwwii | howdy cbx33 | 04:02 |
| kwwii | from what I have gathered on opinions it seems that people are not so hot on the complexity of the startup sound as well as the length | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | ok sure | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | well, it's quite close to FF now | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | so I doubt I'll be able to pull together anythingnew | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | unless you like any of the other sounds on that wiki page.... | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | I have some other coding to do that will run me ragged | 04:19 |
| troy_s | give the sound some time | 04:45 |
| troy_s | everyone has an opinion -- bikeshedding. | 04:45 |
| troy_s | i suspect that is for kubuntu however... | 04:45 |
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| Remenic | kwwii: hey, long time no see :) | 06:33 |
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| Viper550 | Hello everyone, and kwwii | 06:53 |
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| lapo | hi | 08:47 |
| PingunZ | hey lapo | 09:07 |
| lapo | yo PingunZ | 09:07 |
| PingunZ | How are you ? | 09:07 |
| lapo | fine, thanks | 09:07 |
| lapo | any progress on the splash? | 09:08 |
| PingunZ | lapo: Usplash, login splash or gnome.org splash ? | 09:15 |
| lapo | gnome | 09:15 |
| PingunZ | lapo: I haven't worked on it anymore ( a couple of gnome-artists are ) I just comment and give some advice. | 09:16 |
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| troy_s | msikma you in? | 09:32 |
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| troy_s | greetz kwwii_ how goes it? | 10:04 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: pretty well, things are coming together pretty well for kubuntu edgy so far :-) | 10:05 |
| troy_s | you have a summary wiki page? | 10:05 |
| troy_s | trying to work out a lot of the lower level details for Ub... | 10:05 |
| PingunZ | kwwii_: I tested kubuntu edgy this today .. The art has really improved :) But, I'm not really sure of the purple color.. | 10:06 |
| troy_s | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas is the most recent kwwii? | 10:06 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: well, there is one page with everything we updated a while back, and I will make one soon after knot2 impressions come back in | 10:07 |
| troy_s | do you have the link kwwii? | 10:07 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: no, there is one slightly previous to knot2 | 10:07 |
| kwwii_ | PingunZ: glad to here that you like it...the wallpaper will change soon | 10:07 |
| troy_s | do you have the newer wallpaper? | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: basically, I am cycling through the variants on the page you mentioned above | 10:08 |
| troy_s | ahh. | 10:09 |
| PingunZ | No kwwii_ I'm talking about the purple in general .. The wallpaper is a LOT better than the dapper-default :) | 10:09 |
| troy_s | what is it currently set to kwwii_ ? | 10:09 |
| kwwii_ | PingunZ: everyone is pretty happy with the purple :-) | 10:09 |
| PingunZ | Btw, I'd like a real picture in edgy too ... A flower or something like that, Is that possible ? | 10:09 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: here is an somewhat older page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu?highlight=%28knot2%29 | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | PingunZ: everyone told me that they did not want my flower pic :-( | 10:10 |
| PingunZ | kwwii_: I have some pics like that too, I liked your pic | 10:11 |
| troy_s | are you going with the vista buttons kwwii_ for the window manager? | 10:11 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: I am working through newtest5*.png on the page you mentioned | 10:11 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: they are not the vista buttons | 10:12 |
| troy_s | fade to top? | 10:12 |
| troy_s | or the newer? | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | the next one will be newtest5a.png | 10:12 |
| troy_s | looking | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | the vista buttons actually look totally different, but I do not really look at them anyway :-) | 10:12 |
| PingunZ | Link ? so I can look too ( or is it secret :) ? ) | 10:12 |
| troy_s | is that 'godrays' ? ;) | 10:13 |
| kwwii_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas | 10:13 |
| troy_s | by vista i meant about the border extending into the window border... | 10:14 |
| kwwii_ | I actually have never seen the vista buttons before | 10:14 |
| kwwii_ | ever heard of an artist that was too lazy to steal? | 10:15 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 10:15 |
| troy_s | i only noted because i recently saw some screenshots... | 10:16 |
| kwwii_ | in the window deco you can turn on several different style buttons, one of which is "vista" but they look totally different | 10:16 |
| troy_s | and there was some similarity there. i actually don't mind much about that sort of thing. | 10:16 |
| troy_s | has mark been chatting with you regarding the look much? | 10:17 |
| kwwii_ | I made them as I did but it was the only thing I had never done with a button before :-) | 10:17 |
| kwwii_ | just trying to make something new | 10:17 |
| troy_s | laf | 10:17 |
| troy_s | yep, sometimes it happens that way | 10:17 |
| kwwii_ | troy_s: now and again we have discussed it, but it is more general like "I like that a lot!" | 10:17 |
| kwwii_ | nothing nearly as specific as frank is getting, I think | 10:18 |
| kwwii_ | at first he was skeptical of the purple | 10:18 |
| kwwii_ | but I think he is convinved now :-) | 10:18 |
| kwwii_ | I have received some really great remarks, actually | 10:18 |
| troy_s | the violet is quite refereshing and at the very least it pulls it away from kde | 10:19 |
| troy_s | which is nice. | 10:19 |
| troy_s | i would hope so. | 10:19 |
| kwwii_ | it seems to please everyone, and best of all, it does not totally piss anyone off | 10:19 |
| troy_s | my only thought is that you need to coordinate the packaging. | 10:19 |
| troy_s | blah ... you need to try and be willing to fail to really achieve anything. | 10:19 |
| troy_s | such is life. | 10:19 |
| kwwii_ | everything that I have done as far as artwork is concerned is already packaged and in knot2 | 10:20 |
| troy_s | how goes the packaging tones... i can see a fuddle coming up if it ends up blue hell with | 10:20 |
| troy_s | a violet experience. | 10:20 |
| kwwii_ | the small pieces are included upstream (I get a kde dev to include my art in the package they maintain) | 10:20 |
| troy_s | i think frank is going to push a crap of stuff into knot3 | 10:20 |
| kwwii_ | he better, or there will not be time to test it | 10:20 |
| troy_s | well his tightrope is a little thinner than yours | 10:21 |
| troy_s | ;) | 10:21 |
| troy_s | as you can imagine. | 10:21 |
| kwwii_ | yepp | 10:21 |
| kwwii_ | I told him that things get critical in the next few weeks he should call me | 10:22 |
| troy_s | well realistically everyone running edgy gets the daily updates | 10:22 |
| troy_s | so it isn't like a point to release etc... | 10:22 |
| troy_s | but yes, i believe it is his plan to get what he can into edgy3 as a deadline. | 10:22 |
| troy_s | not that i can say for certain. | 10:22 |
| troy_s | he is one of the more industrious fellows though, so i suspect he is well on it. | 10:23 |
| kwwii_ | hehe, no doubt | 10:23 |
| troy_s | the guy has done a crazy amount of work | 10:24 |
| kwwii_ | he is a living adam ant song..."don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?" | 10:24 |
| troy_s | to really set up future cycle releases. | 10:24 |
| troy_s | which is great... | 10:24 |
| troy_s | and the 80/20 ratio will generally provide enough difference to pull a good deal in line, assuming he can get it up the ladder... | 10:24 |
| troy_s | which is probably about 90% of his effort at this point one would expect. | 10:25 |
| troy_s | its that very delicate tightrope ;) | 10:25 |
| kwwii_ | I think that the next conf. in california would be a good time to sit down and figure out what we learned from edgy | 10:26 |
| troy_s | i believe that is the plan | 10:27 |
| troy_s | although i know not my schedule etc... | 10:27 |
| troy_s | i haven't chatted to mark in about a week | 10:29 |
| troy_s | i think he is on one of his busy weeks. my schedule stinks of the late. | 10:29 |
| troy_s | weekends only for me, in very selective time plans. | 10:29 |
| kwwii_ | he was on vacation this week (back now though, got an email) | 10:29 |
| troy_s | yes it appears he returned a couple of days ago. | 10:29 |
| kwwii_ | better too much work than too little ;-) | 10:29 |
| troy_s | arguable there :) | 10:30 |
| troy_s | not to mention that i have yet to figure out the most effective way of dealing with email gluts. | 10:30 |
| kwwii_ | I met a group am american actors who were complaining about canadian film productions :-) | 10:30 |
| kwwii_ | s/am/of | 10:31 |
| troy_s | yay. | 10:31 |
| troy_s | you have anything cooking with oxygen etc? | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | yepp, it will be ready for kde4 :-) | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | we are working on getting it ready for trolltech atm | 10:32 |
| troy_s | you have a link to a study? | 10:33 |
| kwwii_ | working on edgy has kinda gotten in the way of working on oxygen | 10:33 |
| troy_s | do you have a study page of oxygen's current state? | 10:33 |
| kwwii_ | the current oxygen stuff is in svn | 10:33 |
| troy_s | ah. | 10:33 |
| troy_s | anything to see on the web? | 10:34 |
| kwwii_ | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/ | 10:34 |
| troy_s | thanks. | 10:35 |
| troy_s | eek... no darn thumbs. | 10:35 |
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| kwwii_ | well, there is always oxygen-icons.org | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | we updated the previews a month or two ago :-) | 10:36 |
| troy_s | ahh... that's probably more what i am looking for. | 10:36 |
| troy_s | did you change the default folder icon a bit iirc? | 10:37 |
| kwwii_ | we are constantly changing it :-) | 10:38 |
| troy_s | laf | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | actually, that is pretty close to the final version | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | although I like the earlier perspective better | 10:38 |
| troy_s | it looks like the corners got rounded a little etc. | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | now we have to decide whether to use brown or blue | 10:38 |
| troy_s | or purple or green judging from that preview | 10:39 |
| troy_s | that xara colour linking is pretty incredible | 10:39 |
| kwwii_ | nahhhh, we only include the wierd colors for people to play with | 10:39 |
| kwwii_ | I talked to sladen about including xara in ubuntu | 10:40 |
| kwwii_ | and it looks like edgy+1 is doable | 10:40 |
| PingunZ | If my opinion is allowed the blue folder icons is the best from far :) | 10:40 |
| sladen | kwwii_: we're stuck in multiverse for the moment. Bigger things for edgy+1 I think :) | 10:41 |
| kwwii_ | hi sladen :-) | 10:41 |
| kwwii_ | too bad for that, but multiverse is better than no-verse :-) | 10:42 |
| kwwii_ | sladen: did you get my email with the file locations? | 10:42 |
| sladen | kwwii_: I don't remember seeing it | 10:42 |
| kwwii_ | http://bootsplash.org/[3-5] | 10:43 |
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| fschoep | troy_s: ping | 10:43 |
| kwwii_ | hi fschoep | 10:43 |
| PingunZ | hey fschoep | 10:43 |
| fschoep | Heyguys | 10:44 |
| troy_s | woot franko | 10:44 |
| kwwii_ | man, the home team is here | 10:44 |
| fschoep | I'm here for a few minutes, I'm off to bed soon, sorry | 10:44 |
| troy_s | yah i can appreciate that | 10:44 |
| fschoep | Didn't want to miss to chance to see you guys | 10:44 |
| fschoep | :) | 10:44 |
| PingunZ | * read * | 10:44 |
| kwwii_ | I spent the day being anthropologized ;-) | 10:44 |
| fschoep | Hehe, is Andreas over at your place? | 10:44 |
| kwwii_ | yepp | 10:45 |
| fschoep | Hi Andreas | 10:45 |
| kwwii_ | we spent a lovely day together and then my wife cooked him a healthy german meal :-) | 10:45 |
| troy_s | andreas??? say hi to him from me. | 10:45 |
| troy_s | as in lloyd? | 10:45 |
| fschoep | Yes | 10:45 |
| kwwii_ | well, he is not here now, but he will be back tomorrow | 10:45 |
| fschoep | Ah, I see | 10:45 |
| troy_s | great guy. | 10:46 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, it has been fun | 10:46 |
| PingunZ | fschoep: Have you got a minute for me ? ( forum thingie again :) ) | 10:50 |
| fschoep | PingunZ: no, sorry to be honest ;) | 10:51 |
| fschoep | I'm going to bed | 10:51 |
| PingunZ | No problem :) | 10:51 |
| fschoep | I'll be around this weekend. | 10:51 |
| PingunZ | Good night ;) | 10:51 |
| fschoep | I promise | 10:51 |
| fschoep | You too! | 10:51 |
| PingunZ | me ? | 10:51 |
| PingunZ | ah :) | 10:51 |
| PingunZ | bah I'd better go to bed too :p | 10:51 |
| fschoep | :) | 10:52 |
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