[12:09] <Viper550> Does anyone know how to preform the patch on the Crystal source that adds in the new Kubuntu Edgy buttons to Crystal?
[12:12] <volvoguy> hey folks, long time no talk! how are things in the ubuntu artwork world?
[12:12] <Viper550> Going excellently...
[12:13] <volvoguy> loverly! i've been trying to psych myself up to getting some work done here again.
[12:19] <volvoguy> did any community created stuff make it into dapper? i was helping with the release before that and there wasn't much communication between this group and canonical.
[12:19] <Viper550> Yeah, several themes
[12:20] <volvoguy> cool.
[12:21] <Viper550> And, we've got several new themes for Edgy coming along as well: Peace, Dash, Blubuntu, and my theme Tropic
[12:21] <volvoguy> i'm still most interested in SVG stuff, so i'll have to catch up with things on the wiki and see if there's anything i can do.
[12:23] <volvoguy> nice... i've been patiently waiting all day to see knot-2 show up. are the new themes in the main repository or do we have our own CVS-type setup now?
[12:24] <Viper550> not quite yet, go to the wiki and you can find links to the ones in progress
[12:24] <volvoguy> okey dokey. :)
[12:26] <volvoguy> have any of you heard if knot-2 is still expected today? they're busy arguing about sound card drivers in the main channel.
[12:26] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/ThemeTeams
[12:26] <Viper550> But from what I hear, Knot 2 Kubuntu has a new default theme
[12:27] <volvoguy> cool. i've never really liked KDE, but i put knot-1 kubuntu on my canonical laptop and forced myself to use it for a while and now i'm really digging it.
[12:30] <volvoguy> Tropic looks nice btw.
[12:33] <Viper550> Thanks, that's my theme! Wondering how it started?
[12:34] <volvoguy> sure! :)
[12:34] <Viper550> Started out as a Silver, Green, and Orange theme using the gFlat engine
[12:34] <Viper550> I got all that from the lamps on my network router...
[12:35] <volvoguy> heh
[12:35] <Viper550> But then, I switched it over to Ubuntulooks
[12:35] <volvoguy> i actually like color combos like that.
[12:36] <Viper550> But then, some people complained about saturation and stuff like that, so I then tried it with just Orange, changing the direction alot.
[12:36] <Viper550> Tropic is now a tribute to the original Ubuntulooks theme from Flight 4 of Dapper (before it got caramelled)
[12:37] <volvoguy> yeah, i was kinda hoping it'd stay on the orange side.
[12:38] <Viper550> Then, I prepared to possibly move it to Murrine by porting it to Candido
[12:39] <volvoguy> that's where i get lost with theming - how the different engines fit in.
[12:39] <Viper550> Murrine is actually pretty nice
[12:40] <volvoguy> are the engines basically the widgets and different themes just color variations?
[12:41] <Viper550> yes.
[12:41] <volvoguy> gotcha.
[12:43] <volvoguy> that's what i really wanted to push when i was overseeing things (breezy-era) - not necessarily more engines, but as many color variations as possible.
[12:44] <volvoguy> this group was created a little too late for breezy though, and i had to drop out of things shortly after that release.
[12:45] <Viper550> oh...
[12:45] <Viper550> But, every engine offers unique options and appearances
[12:47] <volvoguy> yeah. it would be nice though (and i think i've heard it's in the works) if the end user could pick a theme and choose their own color scheme - as  you can do in KDE and windows.
[12:48] <volvoguy> and i'm really looking forward to cairo-powered themes.
[12:48] <Viper550> That might be sorta a reality with QtCurve...
[12:48] <Viper550> But, Ubuntulooks, ClearLooks 2, and Murrine are Cairo
[12:48] <volvoguy> really? even in dapper?
[12:49] <Viper550> Yes. But I don't think Clearlooks is. But on Fedora Core 5 (my distro), it comes with Cairo Clearlooks...AS THE DEFAULT THEME!
[12:52] <zebedee> Hi I am not sure how I got here and I am very new at Ubuntu, but I like it alot... I have a question if anyone is free to help... I am trying to use evolution mail and I keep gettin a msge saying @cold not send msge, broken pipe'... Can anyone tell me what this means and how to fix it, please. Thanks in advance Z
[12:53] <volvoguy> hey zebedee - you probably want to be over in the regular ubuntu channel.
[12:54] <zebedee> Told you I was new at it, its supposed to read ...could not send msge.. How do I get there Heeeeeeeeelp...
[12:54] <volvoguy> i don't use IRC much myself, let's see if this works....
[12:54] <volvoguy> try typing "/join #ubuntu"
[12:55] <volvoguy> without quotes
[12:55] <zebedee> lol...type it where?
[12:55] <volvoguy> where you're typing everything else here. :)
[12:56] <volvoguy> it should open a new window or tab for the ubuntu channel.
[12:57] <zebedee> thanx I will give it a go :-)
[12:57] <volvoguy> no problem! :)
[01:00] <zebedee> Nice one, it worked and I managed to find it, hooray hope they are as helpful over on reg ubuntu! Have a nice evening... LOL just realised I am on artwork!! Sorry ...
[01:06] <bonZiiii> heya
[01:06] <bonZiiii> i just made
[01:07] <bonZiiii> 2 wallpapers
[01:07] <bonZiiii> does anybody wanna see them
[01:07] <bonZiiii> and assess them?
[03:58] <cbx33> has the decision been made on usplash yet?
[03:59] <sladen> cbx33: what decision?
[03:59] <cbx33> well, there was talk of a hi res one?
[03:59] <cbx33> and when i asked a few weeks ago
[03:59] <cbx33> i was told it was all in astate of flux
[04:00] <sladen> cbx33: yes, what decision were you wondering about?
[04:00] <cbx33> well, my wife is doing the artwork for edubuntu
[04:00] <cbx33> we were wondering if we could start making the final images yet?
[04:01] <cbx33> ie what res, colour palette/indexing
[04:01] <cbx33> if you get my drift?
[04:02] <cbx33> hi kwwii
[04:02] <kwwii> howdy cbx33
[04:03] <kwwii> from what I have gathered on opinions it seems that people are not so hot on the complexity of the startup sound as  well as the length
[04:18] <cbx33> ok sure
[04:18] <cbx33> well, it's quite close to FF now
[04:19] <cbx33> so I doubt I'll be able to pull together anythingnew
[04:19] <cbx33> unless you like any of the other sounds on that wiki page....
[04:19] <cbx33> I have some other coding to do that will run me ragged
[04:45] <troy_s> give the sound some time
[04:45] <troy_s> everyone has an opinion -- bikeshedding.
[04:45] <troy_s> i suspect that is for kubuntu however...
[06:33] <Remenic> kwwii: hey, long time no see :)
[06:53] <Viper550> Hello everyone, and kwwii
[08:47] <lapo> hi
[09:07] <PingunZ> hey lapo
[09:07] <lapo> yo PingunZ
[09:07] <PingunZ> How are you ?
[09:07] <lapo> fine, thanks
[09:08] <lapo> any progress on the splash?
[09:15] <PingunZ> lapo: Usplash, login splash or gnome.org splash ?
[09:15] <lapo> gnome
[09:16] <PingunZ> lapo: I haven't worked on it anymore ( a couple of gnome-artists are ) I just comment and give some advice.
[09:32] <troy_s> msikma you in?
[10:04] <troy_s> greetz kwwii_ how goes it?
[10:05] <kwwii_> troy_s: pretty well, things are coming together pretty well for kubuntu edgy so far :-)
[10:05] <troy_s> you have a summary wiki page?
[10:05] <troy_s> trying to work out a lot of the lower level details for Ub...
[10:06] <PingunZ> kwwii_: I tested kubuntu edgy this today .. The art has really improved :) But, I'm not really sure of the purple color..
[10:06] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas is the most recent kwwii?
[10:07] <kwwii_> troy_s: well, there is one page with everything we updated a while back, and I will make one soon after knot2 impressions come back in
[10:07] <troy_s> do you have the link kwwii?
[10:07] <kwwii_> troy_s: no, there is one slightly previous to knot2
[10:07] <kwwii_> PingunZ: glad to here that you like it...the wallpaper will change soon
[10:08] <troy_s> do you have the newer wallpaper?
[10:08] <kwwii_> troy_s: basically, I am cycling through the variants on the page you mentioned above
[10:09] <troy_s> ahh.
[10:09] <PingunZ> No kwwii_ I'm talking about the purple in general .. The wallpaper is a LOT better than the dapper-default :)
[10:09] <troy_s> what is it currently set to kwwii_ ?
[10:09] <kwwii_> PingunZ: everyone is pretty happy with the purple :-)
[10:09] <PingunZ> Btw, I'd like a real picture in edgy too ... A flower or something like that, Is that possible ?
[10:10] <kwwii_> troy_s: here is an somewhat older page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu?highlight=%28knot2%29
[10:10] <kwwii_> PingunZ: everyone told me that they did not want my flower pic :-(
[10:11] <PingunZ> kwwii_: I have some pics like that too, I liked your pic
[10:11] <troy_s> are you going with the vista buttons kwwii_ for the window manager?
[10:11] <kwwii_> troy_s: I am working through newtest5*.png on the page you mentioned
[10:12] <kwwii_> troy_s: they are not the vista buttons
[10:12] <troy_s> fade to top?
[10:12] <troy_s> or the newer?
[10:12] <kwwii_> the next one will be newtest5a.png
[10:12] <troy_s> looking
[10:12] <kwwii_> the vista buttons actually look totally different, but I do not really look at them anyway :-)
[10:12] <PingunZ> Link ? so I can look too ( or is it secret :) ? )
[10:13] <troy_s> is that 'godrays' ? ;)
[10:13] <kwwii_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[10:14] <troy_s> by vista i meant about the border extending into the window border...
[10:14] <kwwii_> I actually have never seen the vista buttons before
[10:15] <kwwii_> ever heard of an artist that was too lazy to steal?
[10:15] <kwwii_> :p
[10:16] <troy_s> i only noted because i recently saw some screenshots...
[10:16] <kwwii_> in the window deco you can turn on several different style buttons, one of which is "vista" but they look totally different
[10:16] <troy_s> and there was some similarity there.  i actually don't mind much about that sort of thing.
[10:17] <troy_s> has mark been chatting with you regarding the look much?
[10:17] <kwwii_> I made them as I did but it was the only thing I had never done with a button before :-)
[10:17] <kwwii_> just trying to make something new
[10:17] <troy_s> laf
[10:17] <troy_s> yep, sometimes it happens that way
[10:17] <kwwii_> troy_s: now and again we have discussed it, but it is more general like "I like that a lot!"
[10:18] <kwwii_> nothing nearly as specific as frank is getting, I think
[10:18] <kwwii_> at first he was skeptical of the purple
[10:18] <kwwii_> but I think he is convinved now :-)
[10:18] <kwwii_> I have received some really great remarks, actually
[10:19] <troy_s> the violet is quite refereshing and at the very least it pulls it away from kde
[10:19] <troy_s> which is nice.
[10:19] <troy_s> i would hope so.
[10:19] <kwwii_> it seems to please everyone, and best of all, it does not totally piss anyone off
[10:19] <troy_s> my only thought is that you need to coordinate the packaging.
[10:19] <troy_s> blah ... you need to try and be willing to fail to really achieve anything.
[10:19] <troy_s> such is life.
[10:20] <kwwii_> everything that I have done as far as artwork is concerned is already packaged and in knot2
[10:20] <troy_s> how goes the packaging tones... i can see a fuddle coming up if it ends up blue hell with
[10:20] <troy_s> a violet experience.
[10:20] <kwwii_> the small pieces are included upstream (I get a kde dev to include my art in the package they maintain)
[10:20] <troy_s> i think frank is going to push a crap of stuff into knot3
[10:20] <kwwii_> he better, or there will not be time to test it
[10:21] <troy_s> well his tightrope is a little thinner than yours
[10:21] <troy_s> ;)
[10:21] <troy_s> as you can imagine.
[10:21] <kwwii_> yepp
[10:22] <kwwii_> I told him that things get critical in the next few weeks he should call me
[10:22] <troy_s> well realistically everyone running edgy gets the daily updates
[10:22] <troy_s> so it isn't like a point to release etc...
[10:22] <troy_s> but yes, i believe it is his plan to get what he can into edgy3 as a deadline.
[10:22] <troy_s> not that i can say for certain.
[10:23] <troy_s> he is one of the more industrious fellows though, so i suspect he is well on it.
[10:23] <kwwii_> hehe, no doubt
[10:24] <troy_s> the guy has done a crazy amount of work
[10:24] <kwwii_> he is a living adam ant song..."don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?"
[10:24] <troy_s> to really set up future cycle releases.
[10:24] <troy_s> which is great...
[10:24] <troy_s> and the 80/20 ratio will generally provide enough difference to pull a good deal in line, assuming he can get it up the ladder...
[10:25] <troy_s> which is probably about 90% of his effort at this point one would expect.
[10:25] <troy_s> its that very delicate tightrope ;)
[10:26] <kwwii_> I think that the next conf. in california would be a good time to sit down and figure out what we learned from edgy
[10:27] <troy_s> i believe that is the plan
[10:27] <troy_s> although i know not my schedule etc...
[10:29] <troy_s> i haven't chatted to mark in about a week
[10:29] <troy_s> i think he is on one of his busy weeks.  my schedule stinks of the late.
[10:29] <troy_s> weekends only for me, in very selective time plans.
[10:29] <kwwii_> he was on vacation this week (back now though, got an email)
[10:29] <troy_s> yes it appears he returned a couple of days ago.
[10:29] <kwwii_> better too much work than too little ;-)
[10:30] <troy_s> arguable there :)
[10:30] <troy_s> not to mention that i have yet to figure out the most effective way of dealing with email gluts.
[10:30] <kwwii_> I met a group am american actors who were complaining about canadian film productions :-)
[10:31] <kwwii_> s/am/of
[10:31] <troy_s> yay.
[10:32] <troy_s> you have anything cooking with oxygen etc?
[10:32] <kwwii_> yepp, it will be ready for kde4 :-)
[10:32] <kwwii_> we are working on getting it ready for trolltech atm
[10:33] <troy_s> you have a link to a study?
[10:33] <kwwii_> working on edgy has kinda gotten in the way of working on oxygen
[10:33] <troy_s> do you have a study page of oxygen's current state?
[10:33] <kwwii_> the current oxygen stuff is in svn
[10:33] <troy_s> ah.
[10:34] <troy_s> anything to see on the web?
[10:34] <kwwii_> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/
[10:35] <troy_s> thanks.
[10:35] <troy_s> eek... no darn thumbs.
[10:36] <kwwii_> well, there is always oxygen-icons.org
[10:36] <kwwii_> we updated the previews a month or two ago :-)
[10:36] <troy_s> ahh... that's probably more what i am looking for.
[10:37] <troy_s> did you change the default folder icon a bit iirc?
[10:38] <kwwii_> we are constantly changing it :-)
[10:38] <troy_s> laf
[10:38] <kwwii_> actually, that is pretty close to the final version
[10:38] <kwwii_> although I like the earlier perspective better
[10:38] <troy_s> it looks like the corners got rounded a little etc.
[10:38] <kwwii_> now we have to decide whether to use brown or blue
[10:39] <troy_s> or purple or green judging from that preview
[10:39] <troy_s> that xara colour linking is pretty incredible
[10:39] <kwwii_> nahhhh, we only include the wierd colors for people to play with
[10:40] <kwwii_> I talked to sladen about including xara in ubuntu
[10:40] <kwwii_> and it looks like edgy+1 is doable
[10:40] <PingunZ> If my opinion is allowed the blue folder icons is the best from far :)
[10:41] <sladen> kwwii_: we're stuck in multiverse for the moment.  Bigger things for edgy+1 I think :)
[10:41] <kwwii_> hi sladen :-)
[10:42] <kwwii_> too bad for that, but multiverse is better than no-verse :-)
[10:42] <kwwii_> sladen: did you get my email with the file locations?
[10:42] <sladen> kwwii_: I don't remember seeing it
[10:43] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/[3-5] 
[10:43] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[10:43] <kwwii_> hi fschoep
[10:43] <PingunZ> hey fschoep
[10:44] <fschoep> Heyguys
[10:44] <troy_s> woot franko
[10:44] <kwwii_> man, the home team is here
[10:44] <fschoep> I'm here for a few minutes, I'm off to bed soon, sorry
[10:44] <troy_s> yah i can appreciate that
[10:44] <fschoep> Didn't want to miss to chance to see you guys
[10:44] <fschoep> :)
[10:44] <PingunZ> * read *
[10:44] <kwwii_> I spent the day being anthropologized ;-)
[10:44] <fschoep> Hehe, is Andreas over at your place?
[10:45] <kwwii_> yepp
[10:45] <fschoep> Hi Andreas
[10:45] <kwwii_> we spent a lovely day together and then my wife cooked him a healthy german meal :-)
[10:45] <troy_s> andreas???  say hi to him from me.
[10:45] <troy_s> as in lloyd?
[10:45] <fschoep> Yes
[10:45] <kwwii_> well, he is not here now, but he will be back tomorrow
[10:45] <fschoep> Ah, I see
[10:46] <troy_s> great guy.
[10:46] <kwwii_> yeah, it has been fun
[10:50] <PingunZ> fschoep: Have you got a minute for me ? ( forum thingie again :) )
[10:51] <fschoep> PingunZ: no, sorry to be honest ;)
[10:51] <fschoep> I'm going to bed
[10:51] <PingunZ> No problem :)
[10:51] <fschoep> I'll be around this weekend.
[10:51] <PingunZ> Good night ;)
[10:51] <fschoep> I promise
[10:51] <fschoep> You too!
[10:51] <PingunZ> me ?
[10:51] <PingunZ> ah :)
[10:51] <PingunZ> bah I'd better go to bed too :p
[10:52] <fschoep> :)