[12:16] <tseng> raphink: mobility
[12:16] <tseng> something or other
[12:16] <ryanakca> no clue
[12:16] <tseng> sorry its kind of too fucked to do much
[12:17] <ryanakca> sorry... but my radeon is no end of trouble
[12:17] <ryanakca> which is why I'm forevermore buying NVidia
[12:17] <tseng> well
[12:17] <tseng> its a laptop, no choice
[12:17] <tseng> if i have a choice ill get all intel in the future
[12:18] <ryanakca> don't like AMD?
[12:18] <tseng> no.
[12:18] <tseng> and i meant intel graphics
[12:18] <ryanakca> hmmm... I was going to get one
[12:18] <ryanakca> oh... graphics
[12:18] <ryanakca> lol, ok
[12:18] <tseng> but intel graphics dont come with amd cpus :)
[12:18] <ryanakca> yeah, you've got a point
[12:22] <tseng> claims to not support visual 0x4b
[12:22] <tseng> is the only apperantly error
[12:23] <tseng> dammit im dubm
[12:23] <tseng> i removed this gdm.conf-custom I swear
[12:23] <tseng> its still here
[12:23] <tseng> was the entire problem
[12:24] <tseng> (phew)
[12:38] <sistpoty> am I still online? if so, does anyone else having problems accessing revu?
[12:38] <sistpoty> s/having/have/
[12:39] <welshbyte> yes, and yes
[12:40] <sistpoty> that means: yay! and damn, seems like tiber is down :(
[12:50] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:29] <Adri2000> hi
[01:32] <Adri2000> i'm making a package. i must copy a header file available in the sources to /usr/include/qt3/ (this header file is not in any ubuntu package). how should i do ?edit the debian/rules ? the configure script or the makefile ?
[01:33] <welshbyte> debian/rules, i'd say
[01:34] <crimsun> but the header file is provided in the upstream Qt3 package?
[01:34] <Adri2000> i tried to put a cp in debian/rules, but it says it doesn't have the permission
[01:34] <lifeless> you should use install
[01:34] <lifeless> and it should be in the install target
[01:35] <crimsun> hmm, I may have misinterpreted the context.
[01:36] <crimsun> (It's not immediately clear to me if the package requires said header file to build or if said header file is what's installed as part of a binary package)
[01:36] <Adri2000> #include <bitmapbutton.h> < this header file is not in any ubuntu package, but fortunately it is in the tarball of the software i'm packaging
[01:37] <crimsun> is bitmapbutton.h part of upstream Qt3?
[01:38] <crimsun> (If not, why does said package require it to be located system-wide? That sounds pretty gross.)
[01:39] <Adri2000> google has no result for "bitmapbutton.h site:http://doc.trolltech.com/"
[01:41] <Adri2000> crimsun: see the answer from the developer http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=14214526
[01:42] <Adri2000> compile as root... maybe the makefile is supposed to copy this headerfile in /usr/include/qt3/
[01:43] <welshbyte> that's horrible
[01:44] <crimsun> you need to punch upstream vigourously.
[01:45] <crimsun> in this case, Adri2000, hack all references of '#include <bitmapbutton.h>' into '#include "sourcedir/bitmapbutton.h"'
[01:45] <crimsun> send the patch upstream, and after you do that, punch upstream vigourously.
[01:46] <Adri2000> ok, i'll try that
[01:47] <Adri2000> but i shouldn't edit directly the source files ? i have to make a patch and put it in debian/, right ?
[01:52] <crimsun> Adri2000: depends if there's already a patch system in place
[01:52] <crimsun> is this a new Debian/Ubuntu package?
[01:52] <Adri2000> yes, new
[01:52] <crimsun> then it's up to you. Frankly I'd use a patch system.
[01:53] <Adri2000> diff old.cpp new.cpp > patch
[01:53] <Adri2000> ?
[01:53] <crimsun> I imagine you'll be touching more than just one source file
[01:53] <crimsun> in which case it'll be easier to diff -uNr
[01:54] <Adri2000> yes, this include is in multiple files
[01:54] <Adri2000> ok, i'll look at the diff man page
[01:54] <Adri2000> and i just put the patch in debian/, nothing special to do ?
[01:55] <crimsun> depends which patch system you use.
[01:55] <crimsun> if you want a manual patch system, put it wherever you'd like
[01:55] <crimsun> quilt, dpatch, and others have special directories like debian/patches/
[01:57] <Adri2000> ok, thank you for your help crimsun
[01:57] <crimsun> np
[02:10] <ryanakca> Adri2000: for patching? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[02:14] <Adri2000> is that ok http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/djplay.patch ?
[02:15] <crimsun> make sure you hack the Makefile{,.in}(s), too
[02:20] <Adri2000> not so easy :s
[02:21] <crimsun> grep for that header file
[02:22] <Adri2000> $ grep bitmapbutton.h djplay-0.3.0/Makefile.*
[02:22] <Adri2000> nothing
[02:23] <Adri2000> there are some bitmapbutton in the makefile but no .h
[02:25] <crimsun> be careful with '.' and grep expressions.
[02:26] <crimsun> you'll probably want to escape it or the entire filename
[02:27] <Adri2000> still nothing with bitmapbutton\.h and "bitmapbutton.h"
[02:27] <welshbyte> i'd be paranoid and run grep -nr foo\.h *
[02:28] <Adri2000> no... and with -i neither...
[02:29] <Adri2000> maybe i can try without editing the makefile, why would it complain ?
[02:35] <Adri2000> to apply the patch : patch -p1 djplay.patch is ok ?
[02:37] <welshbyte> you might want to name your patch something more descriptive
[02:37] <ryanakca> Adri2000: what kind of patch is it? dpatch?
[02:37] <Adri2000> no it's just a diff
[02:38] <Adri2000> welshbyte: something like bitmapbutton.patch ? :)
[02:39] <ryanakca> Adri2000: oh... dpatches are like scripts, so you can execute them :)
[02:40] <Adri2000> ryanakca: it's not a dpatch
[02:41] <welshbyte> Adri2000: something like that... it's so we know what the patch is doing when someone looks at it in future or tries to cross-reference a changelog entry with the patch
[02:42] <Adri2000> and then, should i leave the diectory djplay-patch there ?
[02:42] <Adri2000> ok can i remove it ?
[02:42] <Adri2000> or*
[02:42] <Adri2000> directory*
[02:43] <welshbyte> Adri2000: did you create that directory or did upstream?
[02:43] <welshbyte> hey LaserJock
[02:43] <LaserJock> hi welshbyte
[02:44] <Adri2000> i created it to edit the source files
[02:44] <Adri2000> and then made the diff with the upstream sources
[02:44] <welshbyte> oh well then remove it if you don't need it any more
[02:44] <welshbyte> it won't be part of the package
[02:45] <Adri2000> ok
[02:51] <Adri2000> patch -p0 <bitmapbutton.patch that worked :)
[02:55] <welshbyte> LaserJock: got anything for me to do that'll give me a break from trying to make sense of maxima? :)
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:58] <LaserJock> well, you could go through the MOTU Science bug list if you want
[02:58] <LaserJock> or work on merges
[03:01] <welshbyte> so anything on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ?
[03:01] <LaserJock> pretty much
[03:38] <ryanakca> ok, I've got a .desktop file that points to icon file. I've got the .desktop installed, but where does the .png get put to?
[03:39] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:40] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:42] <grexk> How can I be able to debug this error "binary-indep"?
[03:43] <grexk> "make: *** [binary-indep]  Error 1"
[03:46] <welshbyte> grexk: that means that the error is somewhere in the binary-indep: section of your makefile or rules file
[03:46] <grexk> thank, let me check
[03:47] <welshbyte> grexk: i expect the output given before that message would have told you what the actual error is
[03:51] <grexk> I get this error http://pastebin.com/781060, checking at the launchpad is not an issue in there daily build log?
[03:58] <grexk> I got now thanks anyway
[04:00] <Adri2000> what's the difference between Makefile.in and Makefile.am ?
[04:03] <welshbyte> Adri2000: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Introduction.html#Introduction
[04:04] <azeem> or read the autobook
[04:08] <Adri2000> so i should edit Makefile.am
[04:12] <jaldhar> Adri2000: If necessary, but most common changes can be made as parameters to configure (i.e. paths, CFLAGS)
[04:19] <grexk> Is it ok to remove "-i" options in binary-indep section?
[04:24] <ryanakca> anybody want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999 please? (And I triple checked this time :P
[04:33] <welshbyte> hey Hobbsee
[04:33] <LaserJock> ryanakca: we don't scatter, we just don't  respond
[04:33] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <Hobbsee> morning lal
[04:33] <Hobbsee> *all
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock, welshbyte
[04:34] <ryanakca> LaserJock: sorry... I forgot <joke> </joke> :D
[04:34] <ryanakca> lol
[04:34] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca
[04:37] <grexk> Can I also upload backport package in REVU?
[04:38] <TheMuso> Hey Sarah. Hows uni life treating you?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso.  didnt even go today :)
[04:38] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[04:51] <LaserJock> hmmm, what app does the nested login windows in KDE
[04:54] <Hobbsee> xnest?
[04:57] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hmm, tried that. I was looking for a particular item in the menu
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:59] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: you, know, I am going to have to install KDE at work next week. Does it come with trauma counselling after I remove it? *grin*
[04:59] <LaserJock> I wonder if it is just in edgy as I can't find it on either of my dapper boxes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: hahaha
[05:35] <welshbyte> g'night :)
[07:15] <somerville32> I think the glade package is broken
[07:18] <Hobbsee> fix it?
[07:20] <somerville32> I dunno how.
[07:21] <grexk> Anyone would like to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3000?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> grexk: xen?
[07:21] <grexk> yes
[07:22] <Hobbsee> you've uploaded it natively, for a start
[07:22] <Hawkwind> Xen FTW!!!
[07:23] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, it was in edgy to start with, adn a backport.  that's not so bad
[07:23] <Hobbsee> grexk: backports stuff dont get reviewed by us.
[07:23] <grexk> What is the meaning of FTW?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> For The Win
[07:23] <Hawkwind> Heh
[07:23] <Hawkwind> We so need full Xen support in Kubuntu
[07:24] <Hobbsee> grexk: you have to file a  bug requesting the backport (there's a button there for it), and present the requested things
[07:24] <Hobbsee> !backports
[07:24] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[07:24] <grexk> Oh, I see just uploaded it for crimsun to check.
[07:33] <trappist> vil: ping
[07:38] <vil> trappist: good morning
[07:40] <trappist> vil: hi there.  I'm going to bed in a few minutes, so if you want to run eclipse, we won't be competing for resources
[07:41] <vil> well ok, then. I thought that there is just 512MB. at least free says that
[07:42] <trappist> yeah, that's all.  there's ~1GB of swap, so whatever you want to do should be possible, but of course the load will skyrocket if it starts swapping.
[07:43] <trappist> I don't know what kind of load you're talking about, though
[07:44] <vil> yeah, I looked at the numbers and jc1 took over 600MB resident and was really unhappy about it, swapping all around
[07:45] <vil> trappist: nevermind, g'night
[07:45] <trappist> ok, sorry it didn't work out.  good night.
[07:49] <grex1> !Ubugtu
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Ubugtu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <AnAnt> what does "bashism" mean ?
[09:27] <azeem> pretending to require any POSIX shell, but using bash feature really
[09:28] <azeem> so, specifying #!/bin/sh at the top, but then doing stuff other shells choke on
[09:31] <AnAnt> how do I know that a certain syntax works only in bash ?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> you test it with something else or know the differences because you read them somewhere or experienced them.
[09:34] <AnAnt> ic
[09:34] <AnAnt> ok, how do I do `cmd` in dash ?
[09:35] <anibal> dash <cmd>
[09:35] <Mithrandir> anibal: eh, no?
[09:35] <AnAnt> anibal: but I wanna test the output of it
[09:35] <Mithrandir> AnAnt: `` works the same way in bash and dash, it's posix.
[09:35] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: hmm, ok
[09:36] <Hobbsee> why would prozilla not be in the repositores, post hoary?
[09:37] <anibal> Mithrandir, you're right, you run dash and at the dash prompt you run the <cmd>
[09:37] <AnAnt> well, how do I test a `cmd` in while using dash ?
[09:37] <AnAnt> while [[ `cmd` ] ]  does not work
[09:38] <Mithrandir> while [ `cmd` ]  does, though
[09:39] <AnAnt> nope
[09:39] <AnAnt> tried it
[09:40] <Mithrandir> \u@\h:\w$ while [ `echo foo` ] ; do echo hello; done
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hello
[09:40] <Mithrandir> seems to work quite well for me.
[09:40] <AnAnt> is that dash ?
[09:40] <Mithrandir> yes
[09:40] <dholbach> good morning
[09:40] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[09:41] <dholbach> hey Tollef - how are you?
[09:43] <AnAnt> that's wierd it gives me this: [: 10: is: unexpected operator
[09:43] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: I tried `cmd` instead of echo foo
[09:43] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: I tried `cmd` instead of `echo foo`
[09:44] <Mithrandir> AnAnt: cmd, like literally?
[09:44] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: acon
[09:45] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: this command either gives this error:
[09:45] <AnAnt> Acon is loaded
[09:45] <AnAnt> Error opening /dev/vcsa10
[09:45] <AnAnt> or it works
[09:45] <Mithrandir> works being?
[09:46] <AnAnt> being that it does not return
[09:46] <Mithrandir> you seem to be confused about what `` is used for.
[09:47] <Mithrandir> it's used for capturing output.
[09:56] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: well, I just want to run a command, if it gives the error, then it should be run again
[09:56] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: sorry, I was dc !
[09:57] <AnAnt_> ping Mithrandir
[10:01] <Mithrandir> you just want to retry the command an infinite number of times until it succeeds?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> then do something like while ! acon ; : ; done
[10:01] <AnAnt_> what is : ?
[10:02] <Mithrandir> a shorthand for "true"
[10:03] <AnAnt_> Mithrandir: thanks !
[10:04] <AnAnt_> it worked !
[10:12] <AnAnt> ok, gotta go
[10:12] <AnAnt> Mithrandir: thanks again
[10:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: :P
[10:41] <Hobbsee> this is pretty cool :P
[10:53] <welshbyte> good morning
[10:54] <somerville32> Morning
[11:34] <Sp4rKy>  \o
[11:54] <dholbach> how 'bout a REVU DAY?
[11:54] <dholbach> next week?
[11:54] <dholbach> friday?
[11:54] <dholbach> what do y'all think?
[11:59] <Gloubiboulga> friday is fine for me (I'll certainly be less available the other days)
[12:00] <phanatic> hi everybody
[12:00] <Gloubiboulga> heya phanatic
[12:00] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[12:01] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: do you have time for a review?
[12:01] <phanatic> new upstream: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2990
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, soory, not know, I leave in 5 minutes
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I'll do it later today
[12:02] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: okay, thanks
[12:19] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee says that she'll have to be mysteriously absent on friday then :P
[12:19] <Sp4rKy> please, i've made a patch but it doesn't works
[12:22] <dholbach> StevenK: why is that?
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> i've this error during pbuilder
[12:22] <StevenK> dholbach: Note that Hobbsee has mostly taken control of my keyboard.
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> dpatch  apply-all
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> applying patch 01_patch_init to ./ ... failed.
[12:22] <Sp4rKy> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[12:23] <dholbach> StevenK: right :-)
[12:23] <StevenK> Sp4rKy: Since the patch failed to apply. dpatch ought to log the failure somewhere, debian/patched or so
[12:24] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee:  i dont particularly like reviewing stuff - i probably miss a lot
[12:24] <Sp4rKy> StevenK, i've no debian/patched
[12:25] <dholbach> StevenK: that's why always two people review a package
[12:25] <dholbach> we just have to get started again
[12:25] <Sp4rKy> maybe my patch wasn't done correctly
[12:25] <Sp4rKy> i've done a diff -u between the two files
[12:25] <StevenK> dholbach: Hobbsee:  true that.  as long as i'm neither of the two :P
[12:26] <dholbach> StevenK: hobbsee: slacker
[12:27] <Sp4rKy> and a dpatch patch-template
[12:30] <Sp4rKy> do you have an idea ?
[12:38] <Sp4rKy> dholbach, do you have 5 min to help me ?
[12:40] <dholbach> did you use  dpatch-edit-patch 01_patch_init  ?
[12:40] <Sp4rKy> no
[12:41] <Sp4rKy> i've done only one patch before, and i don't remember exactly how
[12:42] <Sp4rKy> so i may have done some mistakes ...
[12:42] <dholbach> dpatch-edit-patch <patchname>   is what you want
[12:42] <Sp4rKy> maybe
[12:42] <dholbach> it'll open a subshell, where you can apply your patch and play with it
[12:42] <dholbach> then ctrl-d and it will generate the patch in debian/patches
[12:43] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[12:43] <Sp4rKy> i try
[12:45] <dholbach> you just have to add it to debian/patches/00list afterwards
[12:45] <dholbach> but you seem to have figured that out already :)
[12:45] <Sp4rKy> ok
[12:45] <Sp4rKy> yes :)
[12:49] <Sp4rKy> dholbach, building
[12:49] <dholbach> rock on
[12:52] <Sp4rKy> :)
[12:52] <Sp4rKy> pbuilder just run make, so patch seems works :D
[12:54] <Sp4rKy> i've another error with symlink, but patch seems work !
[01:57] <hunger> Hi...
[01:58] <hunger> I must package a little app for a customer of ours. He wants the description to be in german... how do I need to encode the control file to have aptitude, etc. display this properly?
[02:02] <dholbach> hunger: ask mvo about apt-ddtp
[02:02] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i'm fixing two bugs.  i'm definetly lazy.
[02:03] <zul> Hobbsee: you are always lazy
[02:03] <dholbach> Hobbsee: rock on :-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> zul: indeed.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: unfortunately, one was a bug that was my fault, and the other i last touched that script.  i didnt create the bug though.
[02:03] <dholbach> :-)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> works fine unless the source is split.  *shrugs*
[02:20] <Sp4rKy> so ....
[02:21] <Sp4rKy> patch works good know, but i've again a strange issue with symlink
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> i've a library and lintian says i have to create the 2 symlinks because they have to exists in case of user do an apt-get remove
[02:22] <Sp4rKy> but when i try to create symlinks, pbuilder says tehy already exists
[02:25] <zul> heh there should be a screensaver of bouncing ubuntu hackergotchi heads
[02:25] <Hobbsee> zul: good thing i dont have a hackergotchi
[02:26] <zul> you are not even on planet :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> zul: that's because i dont blog.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> blogs are evil
[02:26] <Hobbsee> well, writing blogs are evil
[02:26] <Hobbsee> reading them is interesting though
[02:26] <Arbiter> yawn, hi *
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[02:27] <Arbiter> hi Hobbsee
[02:27] <Arbiter> :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not reviewing an;ything :P
[02:28] <Arbiter> lol
[02:28] <Arbiter> i don't care :)
[02:29] <Arbiter> i'm busy with some other stuff :P
[02:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:30] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: are you going to participate to the next CC?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: um.  what time is it?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> when is it?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> any of hte above?
[02:32] <Arbiter> Sep 6th, 8 o' clock
[02:32] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:32] <ubuntu-es> Hobbsee: Error: "schedule" is not a valid command.
[02:32] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: Sydney, right?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ye
[02:32] <Hobbsee> s
[02:33] <Arbiter> this time is bad for me (midnight, arrrr)
[02:33] <Arbiter> :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ouch.  i'm probably driving to uni about that time, but i might make it
[02:33] <Arbiter> heh
[03:31] <ryanakca> We can't use upstreams debian/ , right?
[03:32] <tseng> if its good you can use it
[03:32] <tseng> (and he can drop it)
[03:32] <tseng> upstreams shouldnt have debian/
[03:33] <ryanakca> kk, ty... I just needed some MOTU influence in this conversation I'm having with upstream :)
[03:45] <zul> so uh...can we upload to universe again?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> zul: we could the whole time
[03:59] <ryanakca> could a motu please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999 when they get a chance? (And I triple checked it for the ones who reviewed it the other night :D )
[04:13] <rikai> Err, small question... And not sure if this is the correct place to ask... but could someone tell me the version of Ubiquity in edgy knot-2?
[04:38] <Riddell> rikai: ubiquity will be the latest version, see launchpad
[04:40] <rikai> Riddell: Alraedy gort my asnwer elsewher, but thanks. I was curious as knot-2 was released today, and so was a ubiquity update. ;)
[05:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: looks good, a few comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2999
[05:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, thanks
[05:33] <phanatic> afternoon
[05:35] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[05:36] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[05:43] <Hobbsee> dholbach: excellent!  we've had the REVU day!
[05:44] <Hobbsee> On Friday, August 8th we're going to have a fully-fledged REVU DAY and
[05:44] <Hobbsee> are going to bring http://revu.tauware.de/ back on track.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> that means we cant have another one, right???
[05:44] <dholbach> FUCKING HELL
[05:44] <ogra> dholbach, got hell day today ?
[05:45] <StevenK> dholbach: Sorry, I found it. :-P
[06:09] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thanks for the upload :)
[06:43] <kristog> hello *
[06:43] <LaserJock> hi
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, no problem ;)
[07:10] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian !
[07:11] <kristog> i would help ubuntu in some way, i've already setup an account on launchpad and signed the CoC.
[07:11] <kristog> do you know what i can do?
[07:11] <LaserJock> kristog: well, it sort of depends on what you are interested in
[07:11] <LaserJock> do you like coding?
[07:11] <bluefoxicy> Are you a programmer?
[07:12] <kristog> LaserJock: uhm i prefer package sw or maintain it
[07:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:12] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[07:12] <zul> documentation?
[07:12] <kristog> i'm not a coder :)
[07:12] <LaserJock> kristog: ok, cool. do you have experience making debian packages?
[07:12] <kristog> uh, yes.
[07:12] <phanatic> LaserJock: what can i help if i'm a programmer? ;)
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> :D
[07:13] <LaserJock> phanatic: write things for specs
[07:13] <kristog> you could see my *packages* on launchpad.
[07:13] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[07:13] <LaserJock> kristog: ah, were?
[07:13] <kristog> https://launchpad.net/people/giskard/+packages
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> I actually need to steal a programmer for a bit at some point
[07:14] <LaserJock> kristog: oh, very nice
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> ok cool, mtrace is mit
[07:14] <LaserJock> kristog: well, we need people for bug fixing, and merging/syncing from Debian right now
[07:15] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[07:15] <LaserJock> kristog: the Universe repo will freeze on September 28th so we are trying to make sure we are as updated as possible before then
[07:15] <kristog> LaserJock: i guess all my packages are already handled by ubuntu-core people.
[07:16] <kristog> LaserJock: ok, so, is there a list of *not-updated* packages ?
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> ya know what
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> I am going to spec this, and see if I can get any bites this way
[07:16] <LaserJock> kristog: merges.ubuntu.com I believe
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> as COMPLETELY irrelevant as it is.
[07:18] <kristog> LaserJock: thank you. there is something i should read before merge/sync?
[07:18] <bddebian> Yeah bluefoxicy, don't do anything useful or anything.. ;-P
[07:19] <LaserJock> kristog: hmm, just a sec
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  currently I'm trying to figure out how much memory waste is happening
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> # heap/mem waste at peak:       2.93 %
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> # average heap/mem waste:      19.68 %
[07:20] <welshbyte> hehe "Man, she's been grumpy all week"  "Must be that time of the release cycle"
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> ^^^ Thunderbird after running for about 5 seconds; the peak waste is how much waste there is when the program has requested the most memory, while the average waste is the waste on average
[07:21] <LaserJock> kristog:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources (there is a sync and ongoing-merges section that is helpful)
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> And of course, I click a few messages and ........... # average heap/mem waste:      48.48 %
[07:21] <LaserJock> kristog: and just ask questions here too
[07:21] <Whoopie> Hi, I saw that xchat 2.6.6 is backported to dapper. But it's not shown when trying to upgrade. And launchpad says that it was built fine. Any ideas?
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  highly not useful, I'm just trying to figure out if I should replace glibc's implementation of malloc() with something with an approximate 3.125% upper bound on memory waste :)
[07:21] <Whoopie> I have all repos enabled in sources.list
[07:22] <kristog> LaserJock: ok! thank you.
[07:23] <LaserJock> Whoopie: 1) dapper-backports in sources.list (I assume so) 2) it might not have hit the archives yet
[07:25] <Whoopie> LaserJock: ok, I'll wait. thanks. I only found it strange that it takes 3 days.
[07:26] <LaserJock> :/
[07:26] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think it would
[07:26] <LaserJock> are you getting any other backported packages?
[07:26] <Whoopie> yes
[07:26] <LaserJock> hmm, must be held up or something
[07:27] <Whoopie> seems so
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: are you using au.archives.ubuntu.com?
[07:32] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: no, archive.ubuntu.com
[07:32] <gnomefreak> when was xchat backported?
[07:33] <Whoopie> sept 29th
[07:33] <Whoopie> aug 29th
[07:33] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: your in us?
[07:33] <Whoopie> germany
[07:33] <gnomefreak> still should default to uk and you should have it already
[07:34] <gnomefreak> ok hold on a sec
[07:36] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[07:36] <Whoopie> changed to de.archive.ubuntu.com, and no difference
[07:37] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: im assuming you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[07:37] <Whoopie> yes
[07:38] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: you still here?
[07:39] <welshbyte> bddebian: did you get my email about adonthell?
[07:39] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: yeah
[07:39] <gnomefreak> do you know where there is a list of backported packages?
[07:39] <imbrandon> theres lots of packages backported
[07:39] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: you have dapper-backports enabled?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> packages.ubuntu dont show them
[07:39] <imbrandon> i just backported one today infact ;)
[07:39] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: im on edgy but im looking for him
[07:40] <Bazzi> I thought backports was defunct?
[07:40] <welshbyte> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/
[07:40] <Whoopie> what I saw is that all backported packages for main are there, but not for universe. But I really checked that I have enabled universe
[07:40] <LaserJock> Bazzi: no
[07:40] <gnomefreak> welshbyte: they took this out of the packages.ubuntu.com page
[07:40] <imbrandon> Bazzi: nope
[07:41] <Bazzi> hm, ok
[07:41] <Whoopie> I looked here for backported packages: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper
[07:41] <gnomefreak> xchat has not been backported
[07:41] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: really? the page seems to exist
[07:41] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper/12008
[07:41] <gnomefreak> welshbyte: it does but if you go to packages.ubuntu.com dapper backports isnt there
[07:41] <LaserJock> it was backported
[07:41] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[07:42] <welshbyte> oh ok, so it just isn't linked? or it's not kept up-to-date?
[07:42] <gnomefreak> i guess both
[07:42] <imbrandon> Whoopie: that dosent mean it built successfully or actualy got backpoorted it just means it was accepted
[07:42] <gnomefreak> we dont have a -backports channel that i know of
[07:42] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:43] <LaserJock> it was backported and it built successfully on *all* archs
[07:43] <LaserJock> guys, this is what Launchpad is for
[07:43] <Whoopie> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/240427
[07:43] <Whoopie> launchpad says it was built successfully
[07:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: exactly
[07:44] <imbrandon> Whoopie: i know i was pointing out the list dosent matter
[07:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock: just said it better
[07:44] <Whoopie> imbrandon: ok, sorry. you're right.
[07:44] <gnomefreak> still doesnt mean it was sent to server
[07:44] <LaserJock> it was built on the 29th
[07:44] <LaserJock> so either it is held up somewhere or something happened
[07:44] <imbrandon> Whoopie: apt-cache madsion xchat
[07:45] <welshbyte> or madison :)
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[07:45] <Whoopie>      xchat | 2.6.6-0ubuntu1~dapper1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
[07:45] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: what does sudo apt-get install xchat give you?
[07:46] <LaserJock> it's not there
[07:46] <imbrandon> see its souce only, not built ( or built but not in archive yet )
[07:46] <gnomefreak> the source seems to be
[07:46] <LaserJock> the thing to do is to look at Launchpad and archive.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <LaserJock> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xchat/
[07:46] <imbrandon> but ummm
[07:46] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: that the current version of xchat is installed.
[07:46] <imbrandon> xchat | 2.6.6-0ubuntu1~dapper1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
[07:46] <LaserJock> indicates that the source is in the archive but no binaries
[07:47] <imbrandon> ^^ source ONLY
[07:47] <gnomefreak> that telsl me something happened
[07:47] <gnomefreak> tells*
[07:47] <imbrandon> its not built on the arcive yet
[07:47] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:47] <LaserJock> there is often delay between getting build in Soyuz and hitting the archives
[07:48] <LaserJock> it could be that backported binaries are hung up somewhere
[07:48] <LaserJock> or need approval or something
[07:48] <Whoopie> LaserJock: but the packages for main are there, not for universe
[07:48] <LaserJock> or it could be that something went wrong if newer backports are already in the archives
[07:48] <LaserJock> Whoopie: what packages for Main?
[07:48] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: use xchat-gnome
[07:49] <gnomefreak> xchat-gnome is just like xchat 2.6.6
[07:49] <Whoopie> LaserJock: e.g. debootstrap
[07:49] <Whoopie> gnomefreak: no, thanks ;)
[07:49] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: backports dont backport main packages iirc
[07:49] <gnomefreak> Whoopie: its the same things looks and menus
[07:49] <gnomefreak> hence the reason i hate xchat 2.6.6
[07:50] <LaserJock> backports can be of anthing, I think
[07:50] <Whoopie>  OK: debootstrap_0.3.3.0ubuntu3~dapper1.dsc
[07:50] <Whoopie>      -> Component: main Section: admin
[07:50] <LaserJock> anyway .....
[07:50] <LaserJock> the thing to do is to ping jdong or the archive team to see if it is a problem or not
[07:50] <LaserJock> it could be it is on it's way
[07:50] <LaserJock> or it could have gotten stuck or something
[07:51] <Whoopie> LaserJock: can you do it? don't know how to do it, sorry.
[07:52] <Whoopie> ah, jdong is on #ubuntu-devel
[07:52] <gnomefreak> yep he just got htere
[07:52] <imbrandon> i just did
[07:53] <LaserJock> done
[08:04] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/58493
[08:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58493 in Ubuntu "Broken Package: totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin" [Untriaged,Confirmed] 
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> yay https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/profile-memory-management-efficiency
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> and hoard is not working >:|  it segfaults everything.
[09:13] <geser> somerville32: have you dapper-updates for universe enabled? There is a correctly versioned package of totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin included
[09:14] <somerville32> I believe so.
[09:15] <somerville32> I guss I should post my source list - just let me clean up dog puke first :(
[09:15] <somerville32> *guess
[09:15] <lotusleaf> O_o
[09:15] <lotusleaf> well I can skip lunch now
[09:20] <kristog> LaserJock: i'm wrong if i say that the merge-o-matic queue is empty?
[09:21] <LaserJock> kristog:  the queue? there are merges still needing to be done for Universe I believe
[09:21] <kristog> 0 outstanding merges
[09:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure what outstanding merges means
[09:23] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure anything on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html can be done
[09:25] <kristog> :)
[09:25] <bddebian> Yeah, all the NEW and Updated merges can be done
[09:26] <kristog> bddebian: for example: gnomebaker should be updated?
[09:28] <bddebian> kristog: Aye, or synced
[09:31] <ryanakca> I'm having trouble with cdbs debian/rules + debuild -S -sa... http://pastebin.ca/157777
[09:31] <ryanakca> and my guess is that it's something foolishly simple...
[09:34] <bddebian> ryanakca: Make sure those are tabs and not spaces
[09:35] <ryanakca> bddebian: they're tabs... unless vim has some wierd tabbing convention/method
[09:36] <ryanakca> yep... stupid vim
[09:36] <ryanakca> I changed them to emacs tabs, and it works
[09:37] <bddebian> heh
[09:37] <kristog> no, at last stupid vim user ;)
[09:37] <ryanakca> kristog: yes, stupid for using vim
[09:38] <zul> ryanakca: you dont have a space above that line?
[09:38] <kristog> this was not my point...
[09:38] <kristog> ahahah
[09:38] <kristog> :)
[09:38] <ryanakca> zul: a space above what line?
[09:38] <zul> line 14
[09:38] <ryanakca> kristog: your point was?
[09:39] <bddebian> See, I know something Once in a while :-)
[09:39] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes
[09:39] <bddebian> Oh no
[09:40] <kristog> ryanakca: forget it :)
[09:40] <AnAnt> bddebian: hiding from me ?
[09:40] <ryanakca> kristog: O.o  ok :)
[09:40] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yep ;-)
[09:41] <AnAnt> ok
[09:41] <ryanakca> zul: no, no space above line 14
[09:41] <AnAnt> but 'acon' doesn't have a manpage supplied with it, and I dunno how to write manpages, so I dunno what to do
[09:42] <AnAnt> I solved the other two issues & uploading it now
[09:42] <bddebian> AnAnt: Either write one, ask someone to write one, or ignore it :-)
[09:42] <AnAnt> ok, I will ignore it
[09:42] <ryanakca> AnAnt: is it a kde app?
[09:42] <AnAnt> since the acon author isn't replying my email !
[09:43] <AnAnt> ignore what ? the manpage or the entire package ?
[09:43] <ryanakca> AnAnt: in revu they didn't want to advocate until I had written a manpage... it's simple... I'll give you a template and you just have to fill it in :)
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: nope, virtual console app.
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: ok, thanks a lot !
[09:43] <AnAnt> ryanakca: please do
[09:44] <ryanakca> AnAnt: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/foo.1
[09:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: as for KDE, I removed the Replaces: field, kept the Conflicts: filed
[09:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: now for archmage, I really need to discuss that
[09:45] <AnAnt> bddebian: what do you by that you only want one changelog entry ?
[09:45] <ryanakca> AnAnt: what you packaging with? cdbs?
[09:45] <geser> AnAnt: does the programm have a goog --help output? if yes, then you could try help2man to get a start
[09:45] <AnAnt> bddebian: I simply cannot remove the entry made by the original author ! isn't that morally incorrect ?!
[09:45] <geser> s/goog/good/
[09:45] <AnAnt> ryanakca: debhelper
[09:45] <AnAnt> geser: what is good ?
[09:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: Meaning that if this is the first time it's in Ubuntu/Debian, the debian/changelog should only say "Initial Release"
[09:46] <ryanakca> AnAnt: oh
[09:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: Isn't there an upstream changelog in the source already?
[09:46] <geser> I had a typo in my sentence
[09:46] <AnAnt> geser: I understand, I mean what is a "good" help ?
[09:47] <dholbach> good night guys
[09:47] <AnAnt> bddebian: huh ?
[09:47] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[09:47] <geser> is it enough to generate a manpage from it?
[09:47] <ryanakca> G'night dholbach
[09:47] <dholbach> night fellas
[09:47] <kristog> night dholbach
[09:47] <bddebian> AnAnt: The changelog file in the debian/ dir is specifically about the Distribution changes, not the source changes
[09:48] <AnAnt> geser: I'd say so
[09:48] <bddebian> AnAnt: The author should have their own changelog file in foo-1.0/
[09:48] <AnAnt> bddebian: yes, but the author is the one who originally made the debian/ package too
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: and I added NOTHING to that packaging he did
[09:49] <bddebian> Well that is bad unless they are a.. Nevermind, it's fine then
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: so I can't remove his entry in changelog, all what I did is changed the version naming to -0ubuntu1
[09:49] <AnAnt> bddebian: so you will advocate it ?
[09:50] <AnAnt> geser: ok, I am getting help2man, thanks
[09:51] <bddebian> AnAnt: Sure
[09:51] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks !
[09:52] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok, you'll need to hide, because I just re-uploaded acon & kchmviewer
[09:53] <bddebian> AnAnt: OK, I'm getting ready to head home so I will try to hit them tonight
[09:54] <AnAnt> ok
[09:56] <welshbyte> ping -f bddebian
[09:57] <welshbyte> bddebian: did you get my email?
[09:57] <AnAnt> anyone knows of a manpage of several commands ?
[09:58] <bddebian> welshbyte: Aye, but I haven't gotten to do it yet.. :-(
[09:58] <welshbyte> bddebian: ok, no rush :)
[10:01] <bddebian> Anyway, time to head home.  Later gang
[10:01] <LaserJock> hehe, cya
[10:02] <AnAnt> ok, how do I make a <BR> in manpages ?
[10:03] <AnAnt> line break
[10:04] <welshbyte> .br
[10:04] <kristog> .BR
[10:04] <welshbyte> lowercase i think
[10:04] <kristog> wait..
[10:04] <kristog> yes, lowercase :)
[10:05] <welshbyte> :)
[10:08] <AnAnt> thanks
[10:23] <AnAnt> geser: ok, thanks for the info on help2man
[10:23] <AnAnt> isn't there a readme2man ?
[10:25] <somerville32> Do we have a help2woman?
[10:26] <AnAnt> hehe
[10:27] <welshbyte> AnAnt: i don't think the content of the generic readme file would be suitable for a man page, so probably not
[10:27] <welshbyte> i know there's help2man though
[10:27] <welshbyte> ah, you already mentioned it :)
[10:28] <AnAnt> welshbyte: well, the readme that comes with the software is better than the --help output
[10:30] <AnAnt> well, nevermind
[10:30] <AnAnt> thanks for the help
[10:44] <redguy> has anyone been playing with firefox2.0 yet?
[10:45] <redguy> I'm trying to make firefox 2.0 use a directory other than ~/.mozilla on my Ubuntu box. I'm running the configure script with the --with-user-appdir=.fox2. Firefox is creating the ~/.fox2 directory but it is still using .mozilla. Is there anything more I should do in order to make it use the .fox2 directory?
[10:45] <redguy> I just don't want the new firefox to mess up my profile...
[10:47] <ryanakca> redguy: don't bother with it
[10:48] <ryanakca> redguy: FireFox 2.0 crashes every 10-15 minutes on my system
[10:48] <ryanakca> redguy: and most of the themes/extensions aren't supported yet
[10:48] <redguy> heh
[10:49] <redguy> ryanakca: that's why I'm afraid it might mess up my profile ;-)
[10:49] <ryanakca> are you going to be using FF 1.5.0.6?
[10:50] <ryanakca> if you aren't... just move ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old
[10:50] <LaserJock> I used FF2.0b2 on my mac, if that's any help (I doubt it)
[10:51] <redguy> LaserJock: your own build?
[10:51] <LaserJock> no
[10:51] <ryanakca> can someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004 ... only thing left is figure out if the image is GPL or not (from what I see)...
[10:51] <LaserJock> downloaded from mozilla
[10:54] <gnomefreak> firefox 2.0 beta 2 fixes the crashing on every start up among other things
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ive been waiting for iwj to get back from holiday
[10:56] <gnomefreak> beta 1 gave me and loooking at LP alot of others alot of issues so i compiled beta 2 and i no longer have any of the issues
[10:56] <gnomefreak> that and the nvidia drivers from nvidia
[10:57] <ajmitch> it's currently been open for 10 days, with several windows full of tabs
[10:57] <ajmitch> probably just as stable as 1.5 for me
[10:57] <gnomefreak> it always gave me the firefox is already running error when tried to open it (no ff process was running )
[10:58] <gnomefreak> thunderbird did that to me too for a while
[11:00] <ajmitch> it's amazing how many users on the forums were so eager to get knot 2
[11:00] <LaserJock> why?
[11:01] <LaserJock> they always love the latest crack
[11:01] <ajmitch> yes
[11:01] <ajmitch> but seeing how many of them who were up waiting for the release, getting so anxious about it
[11:05] <crimsun> we really ought to have a knot that just doesn't do anything but present a blinking cursor post-grub/lilo
[11:05] <LaserJock> crimsun: or at least a CLI only knot
[11:06] <ajmitch> "Now *this* is edgy!"
[11:06] <ajmitch> hm
[11:08] <ajmitch> oops
[11:08] <LaserJock> what package?
[11:08] <ajmitch> oh, just looked like bashisms in nis maintainer scripts
[11:08] <ajmitch> probably just a warning
[11:09] <LaserJock> this whole bash->dash thing has been interesting
[12:08] <bddebian> Heya gang