[12:18] <shining> sebas: hey right, that's odd
[12:19] <shining> but I'm not sure what you are referring to in "silverish blue kubuntu logo on black background"
[12:21] <kwwii_> the kubuntu logo was upated by canonical a long time ago, so no matter what it will be different
[12:32] <sebas> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=KUB1.png This is the one I especially like
[12:33] <sebas> kwwii_: What about a green release? :-)
[12:34] <imbrandon> yea edgy+1 green
[12:34] <imbrandon> i would LOVE that
[12:34] <imbrandon> green == my fav color
[12:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:35] <kwwii_> sebas: already planned
[12:35] <kwwii_> sebas: I will by cycling through colors
[12:35] <kwwii_> and seeing which is best
[12:35] <sebas> Through 16millions?
[12:36] <kwwii_> I have two more options (green-purple and blue-purple) after the yellow/orange-purple used now
[12:36] <imbrandon> yea but can green be next hehe e.g edgy+1
[12:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:37] <kwwii_> I thougght that green might be better for edgy and use the blue purple for the next
[12:37] <kwwii_> toma: that is the only color that I have never been allowed to use
[12:37] <imbrandon> ahh i'm mean a whole theme , like the purple now
[12:37] <toma> kwwii_: ?
[12:37] <kwwii_> purple is the basis for the new theme, to at least some extent
[12:37] <imbrandon> brb
[12:38] <kwwii_> toma: well, I worked at suse for 7 years and now do kubuntu
[12:38] <kwwii_> not really going to start making a red desktop now, am I?
[12:38] <toma> there is red and red
[12:38] <sebas> As you as you skip pink...
[12:39] <sebas> Ow, and turqoise.
[12:39] <kwwii_> no, no, pink and turquoise are part of the plan
[12:40] <sebas> Let's see what you think about it after aKademy, dude.
[12:40] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:40] <kwwii_> I bet someone is going to smack me with a blue belt
[12:41] <kwwii_> ;-)
[12:41] <kwwii_> sebas WILL kick your ass
[12:42] <kwwii_> shortly before you blink
[12:42] <sebas> Hmpf.
[12:42] <kwwii_> :p
[12:43] <kwwii_> for K-ing
[12:44] <kwwii_> that should be the name of a chess game
[12:46] <sebas> Or a ballgame.
[12:46] <sebas> Or even better: A drinking game!
[12:46] <kwwii_> lucky devil
[12:47] <kwwii_> Bombay
[12:47] <kwwii_> bamby?
[12:48] <kwwii_> where is thumper?
[12:48] <sebas> What is that?
[12:48] <kwwii_> Bombay Saphire is a pretty good gin
[12:48] <kwwii_> not the really expensive shit, but the pretty expensive shit
[12:48] <sebas> Ieeeuwks.
[12:49] <sebas> I have the semi expensive shit but for cheap
[12:49] <kwwii_> oh, with a lime and a bit of tonic it rocks
[12:49] <sebas> Good for weekdays ;-)
[12:49] <kwwii_> or dry vermouth and an olive
[12:49] <sebas> Dunno, tasted it only once and forgot about it fast
[12:50] <kwwii_> (or even better, a tomilive, a specialty of my home town)
[12:50] <kwwii_> pickeled green cherry tomatoes
[12:50] <kwwii_> killer shit
[12:51] <sebas> Was the next board meeting in Nuernberg?
[12:51] <kwwii_> a little sip of gin makes you wanna sin :-)
[12:51] <kwwii_> I stay away from it, when possible
[12:51] <sebas> Or aren't you refering to Bamberg as hometown?
[12:51] <kwwii_> no, St. Louis is where I grew up
[12:51] <sebas> Ok, nearly the same.
[12:51] <kwwii_> but with me it is hard to tell what I am talking about at any given moment
[12:52] <kwwii_> :P
[12:52] <sebas> I mean what's the difference between Bavaria and the US anyway? :P
[12:52] <kwwii_> bavaria and missouri? not much
[12:52] <sebas> From a political POV ... ;-)
[12:52] <kwwii_> the accent is different, but the ideas are about the same
[12:53] <sebas> See!
[12:53] <kwwii_> not quite true, but it'll do for a start
[12:54] <kwwii_> germans in general are much more peace loving than americans
[12:55] <toma> Bush is not representative for 'all americans'
[12:56] <kwwii_> they learned (the hard way) that if you don't want wars you have to avoid them, the americans think that if you don't want wars you have to kill whoever is currently on your unfriendly list
[12:56] <kwwii_> but still, the war goes on
[12:56] <sebas> It's friday night, not exactly the time for subtleties.
[12:56] <kwwii_> :p
[12:56] <kwwii_> no shit
[12:56] <kwwii_> I mean, I am american
[12:57] <kwwii_> fscked up
[12:59] <kwwii_> night all
[01:06] <sebas> Since when does kwwii do what he should?
[01:12] <shining> :p
[01:13] <shining> an american going to bed at 1am cet.. hmm
[01:14] <shining> cest rather
[01:14] <shining> just learned what these were :p
[01:15] <sebas> He's a non-real american, more a europerican
[01:22] <shining> oh crap
[01:23] <shining> where does this get exported ?
[01:23] <shining> Xft.dpi:        96
[01:23] <shining> only gnome used to do that, and you can configure it in gnome-settings
[01:23] <shining> but kubuntu's kde does it too, and I don't know how/where
[01:24] <shining> 96 is a bit too big for my 85dpi laptop screen
[01:24] <Viper550> Great job on Knot 2 everyone!
[01:24] <shining> thanks
[01:24] <shining> oh wait, i didn't do anything for it :p
[01:25] <shining> sorry
[01:26] <shining> though vanilla's konqueror does it too (96dpi minimum) and it annoyed me
[01:27] <shining> I had been digging through the code without any luck
[01:27] <jdong> grr
[01:29] <shining> jdong: what do you mean?
[01:30] <jdong> shining: i.e. open terminal is hidden away from me
[01:30] <jdong> amongst other cluttery buttons :)
[01:31] <jdong> and oh yeah, konversation needs to forget all but the most recent remember line
[01:31] <jdong> this room looks like a purple zebra
[01:31] <shining> oh right, I wasn't using the open terminal
[01:31] <shining> but the detailed list view eg
[01:33] <shining> it's weird all these stuff hidden
[01:34] <shining> maybe kde usability should be improved upstream instead of just hiding everything in kubuntu
[01:35] <sebas> Development is happening in trunk, and that's where it's being fixed.
[01:35] <sebas> It's not like UI changes will go into 3.5 ... 
[01:36] <jdong> hiding stuff by default in kubuntu is fine... but I wish there was an easier way to get it back
[01:36] <jdong> than three cryptic commands in the FAQ
[01:38] <jdong> and also, kde needs some way of peering inside ISO's
[01:38] <jdong> file-roller does that for gnome
[01:38] <shining> sebas: oh right, if it's being improved in trunk, it's perfect then
[01:38] <jdong> ark doesn't support iso's... nor is there a kioslave
[01:39] <sebas> Usability has gained quite some importance within KDE lately
[01:39] <sebas> But I agree, 3.5 defaults are quite bad.
[01:41] <shining> erm, I tried overwriting the Xft.dpi, but it doesnt seem to apply to the menu
[01:41] <shining> can't I just prevent that from being exported?
[01:42] <shining> that would be a kubuntu improvment that I would love to see upstream
[01:42] <shining> prevent the export of all Xft resources, and the creation of ~/.fonts.conf
[01:42] <shining> and use global settings system
[01:43] <shining> global system settings rather :)
[01:49] <shining> I really can't find where it is
[02:14] <Jucato> excuse me, was kcmgtk-xdg (GTK Styles and Fonts) purposely removed from the new System Settings?
[02:14] <sebas> Yes.
[02:15] <Jucato> ah. so KControl would be the only way to access it now?
[02:15] <sebas> At the moment, assumably yes.
[02:15] <Jucato> I see. thank you sebas! :-D
[02:16] <sebas> But IIRC it's on the radar that something has to be done about GTK applications not being Qt apps ;-)
[02:16] <Jucato> hahahah!
[02:39] <kdefreak> lol
[02:39] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:39] <kdefreak> konquifreak?
[02:39] <gnomefreak> he took the name after i unregged it
[02:39] <Jucato> hahah
[02:39] <kdefreak> you wouldn't want to be footfreak, would you?
[02:39] <kdefreak> gnomefreak: you unregged it eons ago
[02:40] <gnomefreak> kdefreak: might hate me tomorrow 
[02:40] <Jucato> hehe
[02:40] <gnomefreak> 2 weeks beforee you took it
[02:40] <kdefreak> why? is that storm of yours moving in?
[02:40] <kdefreak> lol
[02:40] <kdefreak> well... I've got a nick thats associated with power :)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> no but clean up is
[02:41] <kdefreak> ??
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i have a bunch of downed trees in my yard
[02:41] <kdefreak> ooh, fun
[02:41] <kdefreak> firewood for the winter :)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> from the storm
[02:41] <kdefreak> but then... I guess it doesn't get that cold in NC? or SC?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> winter is the fun part of year
[02:42] <Jucato> hehehe
[02:42] <gnomefreak> sometimes it does
[02:42] <kdefreak> ick... you have an ip... .ca or .us or .fr
[02:42] <Jucato> wish we had snow here... so I can throw snowballs at everyone passing by...
[02:42] <kdefreak> and winter is too warm
[02:43] <kdefreak> with -20 weather with snow... not slush
[02:43] <kdefreak> where are you?
[02:43] <kdefreak> Souther Italy?
[02:43] <Jucato> philippines... :-D
[02:43] <gnomefreak> hawaii?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> that will do it
[02:44] <kdefreak> heh... humid?
[02:44] <Jucato> yeah...
[02:44] <kdefreak> ick... I can't stand humidity
[02:44] <Jucato> and when rain pours... it pours!
[02:44] <kdefreak> See... in the winter, you can warm up... but it's not that easy to cool down in the summer
[02:44] <Jucato> definitely
[02:45] <kdefreak> especially when the sun heats up your pool to bath water
[02:46] <Jucato> or any water for that matter...
[02:46] <Jucato> and the fridge has a hard time keeping cold...
[02:46] <kdefreak> yeah... well... Lake Ontario is Cold in the summer and Hot in the winter
[02:46] <Jucato> w/c reminds me... I hope the store nearby has some cold Mt.Dew in stock...
[02:47] <kdefreak> Jucato: if ever you come to Canada during the winter, have a polar bear plunge...
[02:47] <Jucato> hm... what's a polar bear plunge?
[02:47] <kdefreak> January first... they cut up holes in the ice, and people hop in... water is probably -5... not the safest thing in the world...
[02:48] <Jucato> oooh! hypothermia galore!
[02:50] <kdefreak> Jucato: it's sometimes a charity thing
[02:51] <Jucato> aaah...
[02:52] <kdefreak> here... found a blog link http://playinthecity.blogs.com/milwaukee_outdoors_erins_/2006/01/official_polar_.html
[02:52] <kdefreak> yes, so am I
[02:53] <kdefreak> purple and the little part of blue that's trying to survive...
[02:53] <Jucato> heheh
[02:53] <kdefreak> untill the art people crush it... or convert it to the religion of purple
[02:53] <kdefreak> Too many desktops are blue... purple is.. uncommon. I like it :)
[02:55] <Jucato> at least there will be one less reason for KDE-haters to hate KDE. "Look Kubuntu's KDE isn't blue anymore. Doesn't look like XP anymore!"
[03:04] <kdefreak> yeah
[03:08] <Jucato> ... and saving up lots of money in the long run. the will love that
[03:10] <kdefreak> Well... see... my school board is stupid... they buy cheap P3 with about 256mb ram to save money, but them they decide to install Windows XP and MS Office on all of the computers, along with 50$ closed source versions of the apps available on linux
[03:11] <Jucato> what?!?!
[03:11] <Jucato> 256MB RAM... XP...
[03:11] <kdefreak> well.. I don't know if it's 256mb ram... but I type faster than it pops up
[03:11] <kdefreak> and I type about 40 words/minute
[03:12] <kdefreak> whereas I type on localhost, and it's very fast, even with apache, kde, mysql, postfix, et al. running, and I don't have a type-lag
[03:12] <kdefreak> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 36/186GB, RAM: 370/375MB, 174 proc's, 1.22d up
[03:17] <Jucato> nice specs :-D
[03:17] <kdefreak> eh hunh
[03:17] <kdefreak> except for the part about building... building is slow
[03:18] <Jucato> ah yes...
[03:18] <kdefreak> like... 45-1hour long
[03:18] <Jucato> which is used more in building? CPU or RAM?
[03:18] <Jucato> yikes...
[03:18] <kdefreak> ok... maybe I'm exagerating... for the small things I build... 20-25 minutes
[03:18] <kdefreak> I think CPU
[03:19] <kdefreak> or is it RAM?
[03:19] <kdefreak> I dunno
[03:19] <Jucato> lol
[03:19] <Jucato> ok. :-D
[03:19] <Jucato> err... gotta grab some breakfast! bye!
[03:19] <kdefreak> see yah
[03:19] <Jucato> hnm... Teach Yourself Visual C++ in 24 Hours?
[03:20] <Jucato> you would not to have to learn C++ at all
[03:20] <Jucato> lol
[03:20] <Jucato> ok really going away now...
[03:21] <kdefreak> lol, eat!
[03:28] <kdefreak> Seveas: ping
[03:29] <shining> I finally found the culprit
[03:29] <shining> it was displayconfig-restore from kde-guidance
[03:30] <Seveas> kdefreak, -ESLEEP -- going to bed
[03:30] <ryanakca> Seveas: kk, I'll bug you about falcon in the morning :)
[03:30] <shining> oh crap, I'm already sick of ubuntu
[03:31] <ryanakca> shining: culprit of...
[03:31] <Seveas> shining, http://www.microsoft.com -- feel free to go to the dark side
[03:31] <shining> microsoft? blaaa
[03:31] <shining> anything but that, thanks
[03:31] <ryanakca> shining: the "Konqueror's color schizophrenia"?
[03:32] <shining> overwrite of dpi setting
[03:32] <shining> the blue color is a bit weird though
[03:32] <ryanakca> dpi... isn't that printing?
[03:32] <shining> well, it's used for printing
[03:32] <shining> since printers have a much greater resolution than screen
[03:33] <shining> you need much more dots for printing a 12pt font than for displaying it on screen
[03:34] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:34] <shining> every screen is different though
[03:34] <shining> so the same size font isn't going to look the same neither on different screen
[03:35] <ryanakca> hmm... sounds overly complicated
[03:35] <shining> eg I've a crt screen which has ~ 96dpi, and setting the X dpi at 96 result in a correct size of the ui
[03:35] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:36] <shining> though my laptop screen only has 85 dpi, and if you set X to run at 96dpi too, then everything is too big
[03:36] <shining> that's what gnome, windows, and now kde from kubuntu do..
[03:37] <ryanakca> hmm
[03:38] <shining> when it's running at 85 dpi, I found that everything is much nicer, size of panel, ui, fonts..
[03:38] <ryanakca> wouldn't it be smaller? because you have to cram more dots into an inch?
[03:38] <shining> I've less dots per inch, so the dots are bigger
[03:38] <ryanakca> ah
[03:39] <shining> and the same number of dots is used
[03:39] <shining> if X believe the screen is always at 96dpi
[03:40] <shining> eheh, that would be nice. I'm not sure if someone else is working on it though
[03:41] <neoncode> Might aswell ask in the dev chanel. Does anyone know what a "moc preprocessor" is?
[03:42] <ryanakca> [21:38]  [405]  #kubuntu-dev You can't join that many channels
[03:42] <Jucato> is there a #kubuntu-dev?
[03:42] <ryanakca> guess no
[03:42] <bddebian> Yes, #kubuntu-devel
[03:43] <ryanakca> neoncode said to ask in dev... 
[03:43] <ryanakca> bddebian: which is this channel :)
[03:43] <Jucato> heheh
[03:43] <bddebian> Oh yeah, heeh
[03:43] <Jucato> I think he was referring to this channel...
[03:43] <bddebian> Damn, I have too many freakin' channels open :-)
[03:43] <ryanakca> lol
[03:43] <ryanakca> I don't have enough
[03:44] <Jucato> good thing Konv 1.0 supports a tree-view. otherwise... 20 tabs...
[03:44] <ryanakca> Jucato: yeah... that's why I was using XChat for the longest while
[03:44] <neoncode> I was reffering to here.  So does anyone know?
[03:44] <ryanakca> do what?
[03:45] <Jucato> joine #kdevelop and #konvi...
[03:45] <Jucato> s/joine/join
[03:46] <ryanakca> and see... I use all of the channels I'm in...
[03:46] <Jucato> hehe
[03:46] <shining> neoncode: I don't, but I'm not a dev
[03:46] <ryanakca> lol, yes, I was paying attention... but I don't know what it is... sorry
[03:46] <shining> neoncode: I already wondered what these weird files were though
[03:46] <Jucato> neoncode: sorry. I'm paying attention, but I don't know about it...
[03:46] <shining> but I just ignored them
[03:47] <ryanakca> look for it on en.wikipedia.org
[03:47] <neoncode> Ok, thanks people. I'm attempting to build Firefox 2 beta 2 from source with the qt toolset and it says I need it. And Wikipedia has nothing.
[03:48] <shining> firefox? qt?
[03:48] <neoncode> shining: Apparently you can build firefox in the qt toolset instead of GTK+
[03:51] <shining> that's new to me
[03:51] <shining> it's official?
[03:52] <neoncode> "QT and plain xlib configure options are available, but they not well tested or supported."
[03:55] <neoncode> from http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Linux_Build_Prerequisites
[03:56] <neoncode> Well, whatever a Moc Preprosesser was it was in the package libqt3-mt-dev
[03:56] <Jucato> yey! Konversation is upgraded to 1.0 in Edgy!
[04:03] <neoncode> This configure script says I need qt... What package do I need to get for the dev files?
[04:03] <Jucato> libqt3-dev for Dapper I think?
[04:04] <Jucato> or is it libqt4-dev.... 
[04:10] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/almostfixed.png
[04:10] <ryanakca> it probably wont make it in, but I was bored, and it's worth a try.. almost done. finish in the morning :)
[04:10] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:10] <neoncode> This says I need a version of wt higher than 3.2.0, and I have 3.3.6... eh
[04:11] <neoncode> *qt
[04:12] <Jucato> I think imbrandon had a fixed Konqueror page...
[04:18] <ryanakca> Jucato: now they tell me
[04:19] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: all you need to do is edit /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/top-right-konqueror.png ...
[04:19] <ryanakca> well, I'm off to bed
[04:19] <Hobbsee> boo
[04:19] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: objection to my artwork?
[04:20] <Jucato> good morning Hobbsee!
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: looks nice :)
[04:20] <ryanakca> thanks
[04:21] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss6.png
[04:23] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I found a couple more spots in Knot2 where the purple theme isn't complete
[04:23] <Jucato> KControl, KInfoCenter, and KHelpCenter
[04:23] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Heh, yeppers
[04:24] <Jucato> on the other hand, Kontact, KMail, and Akregator are still completely blue... ehehe
[04:24] <Jucato> Hawkwind: Konvi 1.0 now available in Edgy if you update. yipee!
[04:25] <Jucato> what letter?
[04:25] <Jucato> does it really taste that bad?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: one that's saying i drove somewhere that i never did, didnt pay my toll, at a time that my car was non-functional, due to the automatic transmission dying the previous day.
[04:26] <Jucato> whoa...
[04:27] <Jucato> "<-- hunger has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))." a quit message worthy of bash.org?
[04:43] <Jucato> darn.. me sleepy... take a quick nap...
[04:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: bye! (for a while)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bye Jucato 
[04:43] <Hobbsee> work here, anyway :(
[05:17] <nixternal> OOo broke?
[05:33] <nixternal> ARGH!!!
[06:39] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22299
[06:40] <nixternal> anyone help me fix that, and i iwll give you a cookie
[07:02] <imbrandon> nixternal: oh thats easy , " sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org-* && sudo apt-get install koffice "
[07:03] <imbrandon> wheres my cookie ? 
[08:05] <nixternal> haha
[08:05] <nixternal> im going to do that soon
[08:16] <nixternal> omg
[08:16] <nixternal> sudo rm /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice
[08:17] <nixternal> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice 
[08:17] <nixternal> and it works
[08:21] <nixternal> well that kind of works
[08:55] <nixternal> koffice 1.5.2 is nice..no more OOo, and i will knock that off the list..how come Kubuntu doesn't install KOffice by default?
[09:11] <insanekane> nixternal: koffice has too many problems :/
[09:12] <fdoving> because it was too unreliable for breezy.
[09:12] <nixternal> well, OOo proved to have to many problems for me..i will try KOffice, and if I have the problems there, then I go back to the evil giant
[09:12] <insanekane> nixternal: :)
[09:14] <nixternal> i tried to keep an open mind with OOo...it is nice, just not good
[09:14] <nixternal> i heard plenty about KOffice as well
[09:14] <nixternal> as long as I can do docs that everyone can read, spreadsheets..im good
[09:15] <nixternal> with OOo, everyone complained about docs i sent them
[09:15] <fdoving> i should reconsider OOo too.. i have massive font/encoding problems with it.. and i don't feel like fixing it. :)
[09:15] <nixternal> that was my big issue as well fdoving
[09:16] <nixternal> and if i did any type of formatting, heh, man i would hear the complaints then
[09:16] <nixternal> koffice on the other hand, i did formats and haven't heard a gripe
[09:16] <nixternal> i just didn't feel "safe" with it..it felt childish the first time i used it
[09:16] <nixternal> elementary in a way
[09:18] <fdoving> ooo has been a pain since 2.x to me.
[09:19] <fdoving> apt-geting koffice 1.5.2 now.
[09:19] <nixternal> heh
[09:19] <nixternal> once you open writer..it looks just like OOo writer
[09:19] <nixternal> i was like..wtf did i grab
[09:19] <nixternal> heh
[09:20] <nixternal> and, KOffice has a freakin' svg tool..so you can create and edit svg files right from koffice..i thought that was pretty neat
[10:40] <kwwii_> moin
[10:40] <kwwii_> what program should one use to record audio from a microphone? anyone know?
[10:41] <abattoir> !info krec'
[10:41] <ubotu> krec: sound recorder utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 339 kB, installed size 1040 kB
[10:41] <abattoir> kwwii_: ^^^?
[10:42] <kwwii_> abattoir: thanks, appreciate it
[10:42] <kwwii_> I'll probably find a bug in a minute :-)
[10:42] <abattoir> kwwii_: glad to be of help, the edgy kdm theme looks fabulous, btw :)
[10:42] <kwwii_> abattoir: cool, good to hear that you like it
[10:49] <kwwii_> well, the amarok update certainly does not work for me
[10:50] <kwwii_> thanks to adept for installing it though :-)
[10:50] <kwwii_> restarting kde, brb
[11:01] <omeow> Riddell, Seli updated his Xinerama improvements to include a fix for a kwin crash I and some other people discovered as well as some GUI options for some of the options. (Instead of having to edit kwinrc)
[11:01] <omeow> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40586
[11:17] <Tonio__> hi all
[11:18] <hunger> Hi oh violetifier of desktops;-)
[11:27] <kwwii_> who killed my amarok!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i didnt do it!
[11:27] <kwwii_> I cannot make a theme for it if it doesn't work at all!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> er, wait, i made the last change...
[11:27] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: I am coming to find you and make you patch my amarok
[11:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: define "killed"
[11:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: haha.  good luck
[11:28] <kwwii_> as in it will not even start
[11:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: tried removing the config files for amarok?
[11:28] <kwwii_> hehe, good idea
[11:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: it seems to be a bug in upgrading to 1.4.2*....
[11:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: you have to use a new config, or it doesnt start
[11:29] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:29] <kwwii_> good to know that 
[11:30] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  on query: SELECT COUNT( url ) FROM podcastchannels LIMIT 1 OFFSET 0;
[11:30] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  [virtual QStringList SqliteConnection::query(const QString&)]   sqlite3_compile error:
[11:30] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  no such table: podcastchannels
[11:30] <kwwii_> didn't help
[11:31] <hunger> Wasen't the new amarok supposed to support daap?
[11:31] <kwwii_> nope, it be broken
[11:31] <kwwii_> oh well, I can stop themeing it
[11:32] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: lovely.  blame imbrandon, my fix wouldnt have changed that :P
[11:32] <kwwii_> man, what a way to start a day
[11:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: you can chop of my head, if you like.
[11:36] <kwwii_> well, it makes it really hard to do my work
[11:36] <kwwii_> but you can make it up by flying here and fixing my problems! :-)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: heh
[11:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: send me a plane ticket.  and a passport :P
[11:38] <kwwii_> hehe, the passport might be expensive
[11:39] <Hobbsee> true that
[12:01] <kwwii_> Riddell: ping?
[12:18] <danimo> hi kwwii_, Hobbsee
[12:19] <freeflying_> danimo: hi
[12:19] <danimo> hi freeflying_
[12:23] <kwwii_> howdy danimo
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[12:29] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :-D
[12:29] <danimo> worldclock says it's unlikely
[12:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: where in the us does he live? east or westcoast?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> middle?  dont remember
[12:55] <Riddell> kwwii_: hi
[12:55] <kwwii_> Riddell: did you update katapult already?
[12:55] <Riddell> omeow: the new packages were uploaded yesterday, let me know how they work
[12:55] <Riddell> kwwii_: no
[12:55] <omeow> Ok.
[12:55] <kwwii_> Riddell: cool, I will probably change the bgs and the colors again
[12:56] <omeow> How did you learn of the patch, Riddell? Should I inform you about future patches regarding this?
[12:56] <Riddell> omeow: seli told me, but it's worth pointing me at them too 
[12:57] <omeow> Ok.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> danimo: he tends to keep weird timezones, so...
[01:03] <danimo> hehe
[01:46] <Jucato> oh question, will Krita be removed permanently from the defaults or it's just waiting for KOffice 1.6?
[01:48] <_Sime> I've got a general question for everyone, about media handling in KDE.
[01:49] <_Sime> Can anyone think of a use-case where a normal user would want to connect/insert a removable media and *not* mount it.
[01:50] <_Sime> In other words, why would anyone want a CDROM in the driver but not mounted?
[01:50] <_Sime> I can't think of a use-case for this.
[01:53] <Jucato> so eject will be the only option there?
[01:54] <omeow> maybe someone inserted a CD for safekeeping? =P
[01:54] <_Sime> yes, automount, and later "Safely remove" or "Eject".
[01:55] <_Sime> the eject button on the my drive works too. :-)
[01:55] <omeow> You want to list automount as an option?
[01:55] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[01:55] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:57] <_Sime> omeow: no. Media would be automatically mounted, (plus the popup)
[01:57] <omeow> Ah ok. Then it's good. :)
[01:59] <Jucato> aren't there cases wherein users have to unmount the CD first before they were able to eject it?
[02:01] <_Sime> Jucato: KDE's media handling looks after unmounting and ejecting things once the user pushes the eject button.
[02:01] <Jucato> ah
[02:03] <Jucato> I just recalled a short discussion in #kubuntu (can't remember when...) about some apps sometimes not allowing CD's to be unmounted and ejected properly, like k3b. I was just glancing at the conversation though
[02:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:07] <kozz> _Sime: you do you think windows don't have an mount/unmount option? :)
[03:08] <_Sime> kozz: sorry, what do you mean?
[03:08] <kozz> _Sime: about your question
[03:10] <_Sime> kozz: what were you trying to say?
[03:11] <kozz> _Sime: they couldn't think about any such cases either
[03:11] <_Sime> kozz: aahh, yes true
[03:37] <tizwonder> why is kubuntu so special :D
[03:38] <Hobbsee> tizwonder: ...because it is?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> what kind of a question is that?
[03:40] <jdong> I'm gonna use a knot2 kubuntu cd to convert my hd xfs->reiserfs
[03:40] <jdong> so if anything breaks, you'll be hearing from me fast :)
[03:40] <tizwonder> heh just curious
[03:40] <tizwonder> isnt it just unbutu with kde?
[03:41] <jdong> yes....
[03:41] <Hobbsee> jdong: you know what they say about not using testing releases on production systems.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> tizwonder: yes, without gnome, too
[03:41] <jdong> Hobbsee: meh, I trust you guys :P
[03:41] <jdong> right now I really got nothing production-worthy either
[03:41] <jdong> delayed school by a term, my pc use is leisurely now
[03:41] <Hobbsee> jdong: interesting.  i guess that means you cant blame me then :D
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ahh...nice
[03:42] <kwwii_> Riddell: marcus has much more info on the banners :-)
[03:42] <jdong> not nice... medical deferral :-/
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah :(
[03:43] <kwwii_> Riddell: looks like he will print 2mx2m banners, so since the logo is basically 4:1 we could include more than just the logo
[03:43] <jdong> :(
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jdong: how old are you?
[03:44] <jdong> Hobbsee: 18
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jdong: wow, really?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> you can always make time, if you want to
[03:44] <jdong> yep
[03:45] <jdong> yeah, but making time would mean dropping other activities
[03:45] <jdong> I like the time I spend at the forums.....
[03:45] <jdong> and I don't want to sacrifice that to be more involved in development
[03:45] <jdong> though I'd like to be involved more in development, too :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:45] <Hobbsee> eek, the forums
[03:46] <jdong> :) lol
[03:46] <jdong> we outnumber you
[03:46] <jdong> :)
[03:48] <jdong> "but in the end I just switched to gentoo where everything will compile with support for both processors if I set it up right"
[03:49] <jdong> well, we lost a ubuntu user to gentoo ricer syndrome :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jdong: true that.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jdong: fix bug 58560
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58560 in Ubuntu "File not found for suggested update" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58560
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <jdong> that's not my problem :P
[03:50] <jdong> it's a mirror problem
[03:51] <Hobbsee> jdong: exactly.  it's certainly not "ubuntu
[03:51] <Hobbsee> "'s problem either.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> jdong: and there's nowhere better to really assign it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> as for why it's using au. mirrors, i dont know.  they're usually broken anyway
[03:51] <kwwii_> so even after erasing everything to do with amarok settings it does not start
[03:52] <jdong> Hobbsee: who manages mirrors?
[03:52] <abattoir> I'm guessing he chose Australia instead of Austria in the installation dialog...
[03:52] <kwwii_> this is seriously affecting the quality of my work :-(
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jdong: no idea
[03:52] <Hobbsee> abattoir: that's what i'm thinking.
[03:52] <jdong> Hobbsee: the problem has got to be addressed... rejecting the report is not the answer
[03:52] <jdong> but I agree, it's a tough one to file
[03:52] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: harass imbrandon 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jdong: true.  usually they fix it themselves.
[03:52] <kwwii_> once that redneck wakes up I am on his case
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jdong: we dont even control those mirrors, i think
[03:52] <kwwii_> :p
[03:53] <jdong> Hobbsee: I'd say that's a mirroring bug in the first place, for Packages.gz to sync before the debs do :)
[03:53] <toma> kwwii_: anything on the konsole?
[03:53] <jdong> alright folks, brb
[03:53] <Hobbsee> jdong: true that.
[03:53] <jdong> gonna reboot into knot2 for my reiserfs transformation :)
[03:53] <fdoving> Hobbsee: shouldn't #58560 be assigned to mirror-admins ? 
[03:53] <Hobbsee> fdoving: oh, is that it.  feel free to :)
[03:54] <kwwii_> toma: yepp, lots.....
[03:54] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  on query: SELECT COUNT( url ) FROM tags LIMIT 1 OFFSET 0;
[03:54] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  [virtual QStringList SqliteConnection::query(const QString&)]   sqlite3_compile error:
[03:54] <kwwii_> amarok:       [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  no such table: tags
[03:55] <kwwii_> and it just keeps doing that forever
[03:55] <toma> kwwii_: seems like the db is corrupt
[03:55] <toma> kwwii_: try deleting it
[03:55] <kwwii_> where is the db kept?
[03:55] <kwwii_> I erased all of .kde/share/apps/amarok
[03:55] <toma> guess: .kde/share/apps/amarok
[03:55] <toma> maybe near the music?
[03:56] <toma> somehting .db probably
[03:56] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: did you get rid of amarokrc?
[03:56] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: yepp
[04:00] <kwwii_> wow, that crashed kde
[04:00] <kwwii_> I thought I might let amarok run for a while to see if it ever got done
[04:01] <kwwii_> it got done all right, it got done with my whole session
[04:01] <kwwii_> :p
[04:01] <jdong> I am alive again
[04:01] <jdong> shocking, the livcd has a 686 kernel?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> jdong: has for a while
[04:01] <jdong> Hobbsee: I haven't used a livecd since dapper's
[04:01] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I am going to find out where you live, come to your house and make you fix my amarok or else!!!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: what if he cant fix it?
[04:03] <kwwii_> well, it is quite simple; then edgy will have the amarok theme from dapper
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:04] <toma> kwwii_: is there a collection.db in .kde/share/apps/amarok ?
[04:05] <kwwii_> toma: at first I erased it...after I call amarok and it spits out that nonsense, there is one again
[04:05] <toma> kwwii_: is libsqliet3-0 installed?
[04:06] <toma> libsqlite3-0
[04:06] <kwwii_> toma: yepp
[04:06] <jdong> the fglrx kernel module is mysteriously missing from the livecd
[04:07] <jdong> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /lib/modules/2.6.17-6-686/volatile
[04:07] <jdong> ath_hal.ko  fcdsl.ko    fcdslslusb.ko  fcdslusba.ko  fcpci.ko  fxusb.ko
[04:07] <jdong> fcdsl2.ko   fcdslsl.ko  fcdslusb2.ko   fcdslusb.ko   fcusb.ko
[04:07] <jdong> a lot of restricted modules are gone
[04:07] <toma> kwwii_: do you use nfs?
[04:08] <kwwii_> toma: nope
[04:08] <kwwii_> my miusic files are on an external drive but I cannot even start amarok to get that far
[04:08] <kwwii_> I have all my music on a firewire drive
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe.  http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/dangerous-dealings-with-the-clothes-dryer/2006/09/01/1156817097668.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
[04:12] <jdong> what do you guys think about having konqueror fake firefox by default on gmail?
[04:14] <toma> jdong: bad idea imho.
[04:14] <jdong> toma: don't think konq's ajax is up for the job?
[04:14] <jdong> hmm is kind of distorted
[04:15] <toma> jdong: probably gmail's fault
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe, i wish
[04:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, so imbrandon got konqueror colored before I did, anywhere else?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jdong: it doesnt build with the QT engine
[04:16] <toma> especially when it works when you set it to firefox identification
[04:16] <toma> then there is nothing wrong with konq
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: huh?  no idea
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: just gtk2-engines-qt-gtk it and call it a day :)
[04:16] <jdong> looks close enough :P
[04:16] <Hobbsee> + gnome deps, in current config
[04:16] <Hobbsee> true that
[04:17] <jdong> the gnome deps are the killer....
[04:17] <jdong> because we have to keep kubuntu and ubuntu on opposite ends of the repository
[04:17] <jdong> otherwise it's not confusing enough for newcomers
[04:17] <ryanakca> lol
[04:18] <jdong> hmm, maybe I'll roll out some kubuntu-jdong CD's :)
[04:18] <ryanakca> lol
[04:18] <jdong> I really want to try out that snakebite torrent tracker software
[04:18] <jdong> because sourceforge won't be thrilled about my customizations
[04:18] <jdong> *cough* win32codecs *cough*
[04:18] <jdong> *hack* java *cough* *cough*
[04:18] <ryanakca> akregator needs to be purplized
[04:19] <jdong> and I can't take the purple anymore.... :)
[04:19] <Jucato> hm.. purple...
[04:20] <ryanakca> I'll hop on it... IT'S MINE!
[04:20] <ryanakca> unless someone else allready took it...
[04:20] <Jucato> reminds me of a local produce... purple yam...
[04:20] <Jucato> ryanakca: Akregator, KMail and Kontact. basically kde-pim
[04:21] <ryanakca> ok, I found /usr/share/apps/akregator/about/top-right-akregator.png where's the rest of it?
[04:23] <danimo> re!
[04:25] <abattoir> nice, i think someone else is facing the amarok bug that kwwii mentioned...
[04:25] <kwwii_> hehe, I am not alone!
[04:26] <abattoir> and he's on a PPC
[04:26] <Jucato> 1.4.2 knot starting up in PPC?
[04:26] <kozz> I have amarok 1.4.2 woring on PPC
[04:26] <kozz> working even
[04:27] <Jucato> but he's on Dapper, right?
[04:27] <abattoir> Jucato: yes, lets see if its the same error message....
[04:27] <Jucato> :-D
[04:28] <kwwii_> yepp, I run dapper
[04:28] <kwwii_> I could not even boot the knot2 cd
[04:28] <danimo> imbrandon_: ping?
[04:28] <kwwii_> I love my ppcs :-)
[04:28] <kwwii_> danimo: he is hiding from me
[04:28] <kwwii_> :p
[04:28] <danimo> kwwii_: hehe, why so?
[04:29] <kwwii_> danimo: he killed my amarok
[04:30] <Jucato> bug 58566
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58566 in amarok "amarok fails to start up, looping in sqlite library" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58566
[04:31] <abattoir> kwwii_: ^^^^
[04:31] <danimo> kwwii_: bad, bad imbrandon :)
[04:32] <kwwii_> abattoir: thanks, that sounds like my problem
[04:32] <kwwii_> at least now I know more why I am gonna punch imbrandon
[04:32] <kwwii_> :-)
[04:32] <Jucato> (you have to find him first...)
[04:32] <Jucato> :-D
[04:32] <Jucato> kwwii_: is it the same bug as yours?
[04:32] <danimo> kwwii_: the bug just hit me, too
[04:33] <danimo> hmm, or not
[04:36] <danimo> what andreas?
[04:42] <el> ah, it's _Sime, not Sime! ping...
[05:06] <Viper550> Hi...
[05:13] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/akregator.png         Now it has color issues :)
[05:15] <shining> you mean, the blue corner?
[05:15] <Jucato> hmm...
[05:16] <ryanakca> yes
[05:16] <ryanakca> almost done :)
[05:16] <ryanakca> and then I'll work on khelp
[05:16] <shining> all these don't share the same thing?
[05:16] <Jucato> ryanakca: there's still Kontact and KMail to go. eheheh
[05:16] <ryanakca> shining: some of them do
[05:16] <shining> it isn't fixed in one place
[05:16] <shining> ah
[05:17] <ryanakca> like I fixed the kde-pim part... but I need to fix the logos
[05:17] <Jucato> :-D
[05:20] <kwwii_> ryanakca: killer! good work :-)
[05:21] <Jucato> great artwork from ryanakca and kwwii_!
[05:21] <kwwii_> I am really happy to see someone doing this stuff :-)
[05:22] <Jucato> I happy to see people working on Kubuntu artwork. period. :-D
[05:22] <ryanakca> kwwii_: thanks
[05:22] <kwwii_> hehe, no doubt :-)
[05:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: thanks as well
[05:23] <kwwii_> my work on amarok is stopped for the moment, so I guess I'll find something else to do
[05:23] <Jucato> would any of you happen to know where to get a higher resolution version of the image used in the 6.06 Release announcement? 
[05:23] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.06-lts-release.php
[05:24] <ryanakca> kwwii_: do you have an example top-right-app.png that I could use?
[05:24] <Jucato> just when imbrandon is needed... ehehe
[05:24] <ryanakca> [11:04]  <-- imbrandon has left this server ("k-line").
[05:24] <kwwii_> hfm, not sure where those came from
[05:24] <ryanakca> lol
[05:25] <ryanakca> Jucato: which one?
[05:25] <ryanakca> the logo?
[05:25] <Jucato> the image used in that announcement page. the logo with the kubuntu name with light shining through it
[05:26] <Jucato> it's a very nice image...
[05:27] <ryanakca> it is...
[05:27] <kwwii_> ahhh, I have a big version of that
[05:27] <ryanakca> didn't we have something like that in our usplash once upon a time?
[05:27] <Jucato> yay!
[05:27] <Jucato> I wonder why it was not made publicly available :-D
[05:27] <ryanakca> by the way? what happened to our "Kubuntu" Usplash...
[05:27] <kwwii_> hehe, because it is so big
[05:28] <Jucato> lol
[05:28] <kwwii_> haven't done any work on the kubuntu usplash yet
[05:28] <ryanakca> kwwii_: isn't there an app for making uspashes?
[05:28] <Jucato> I'd love to be able to easily theme USplash...
[05:29] <ryanakca> .Sev.eas. had one once I thought
[05:30] <Lathiat> iirc avahi / nss-mdns sticks to .local by defualt no?
[05:30] <Lathiat> wrong window
[05:30] <ryanakca> lol :)
[05:30] <ryanakca> kwwii_: wheres the old kubuntu dapper uspash?
[05:30] <kwwii_> ryanakca: there is something on the wiki for testing them
[05:30] <ryanakca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto ?
[05:31] <Jucato> ryanakca: that's for the old USplash right?
[05:31] <kwwii_> yes, in any case that info will be for the old one
[05:31] <ryanakca> kwwii_: did we upgrade usplash versions?
[05:31] <kwwii_> boy the wiki is slow today
[05:31] <kwwii_> ryanakca: there is work being done it, not sure if it will make it into edgy or not
[05:32] <_Sime> el: pong
[05:33] <Jucato> kwwii_: is there a wiki page where you keep all the old "candidates" for artwork? some disappeared from the Kubuntu Artworks wiki after Dapper was released
[05:35] <ryanakca> is usplash *buntu written? because everything in google "USplash" seems to be *buntu
[05:35] <jdong_> ryanakca: yes
[05:35] <jdong_> and speaking of usplash, the edgy one corrupts all my consoles
[05:35] <el> hi _Sime  :)
[05:35] <_Sime> hi
[05:35] <Viper550> Hello
[05:35] <kwwii_> Jucato: I think that we can do that, as long as someone is willing to make a new wiki page out of the existing edgy stuff
[05:36] <seaLne> jdong_: did you play with installing edgy on lvm?
[05:36] <el> _Sime, have you got my email?
[05:36] <ryanakca> jdong_: what d'you mean? vt1-6 are non-existant?
[05:36] <jdong_> seaLne: not on lvm, no
[05:36] <el> _Sime, do you think you still have time to add the tooltip to the search?
[05:36] <jdong_> ryanakca: they are all scrambled
[05:36] <_Sime> el: yes, did you want a normal tooltip on the textbox itself?
[05:36] <jdong_> ryanakca: with amusing shades of grey and blocky characters
[05:37] <kwwii_> I found the original pic from the announcement page (really big) but it is not the final version, so it needs a bit of work to make it look like that one
[05:37] <seaLne> jdong_: sort of dashed lines all over them?
[05:37] <ryanakca> jdong_: odd... /me didn't have vt-1-6 for the longuest time.. dunno why
[05:37] <Jucato> kwwii_: or they could be included here? http://art.ubuntu.com/
[05:37] <jdong_> seaLne: yes
[05:37] <seaLne> i lost them for a bit about a month ago
[05:37] <el> _Sime, one with icons would be better as in the screenshot here (bottom): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[05:37] <el> _Sime, icons to recognise the general/advanced sections
[05:37] <kwwii_> Jucato: certainly
[05:38] <Jucato> kwwii_: great! it would be nice to see a proliferation of Kubuntu artwork. a lot of the candidates are also nice. (the defaults are also beautiful)
[05:38] <seaLne> jdong_: i had that, went away tho, is the machine actually usable?  i had to boot into single user and change fstab to devices rather than labels to be able to mount the other lvms and after that it went away
[05:38] <ryanakca> kwwii_: dunno if I allready asked you this, but do you have an example top-right-appname.png?
[05:38] <Viper550> Jucato: I agree, those new buttons are hawt!
[05:38] <jdong_> seaLne: I haven't upgraded my lvm box to edgy yet, so I don't have lvm experience with edgy
[05:39] <kwwii_> ryanakca: nope, and I tried to find the orig files on kde-look but couldn't
[05:39] <jdong_> seaLne: the machine is usable for X, but I don't have any more consoles
[05:39] <omeow> _Sime, if you uninstall bluetooth related packages, the System Settings menu ends up with a missing icon for Bluetooth.
[05:39] <jdong_> seaLne: turning usplash off resolves it though
[05:39] <seaLne> ok totally different then
[05:39] <omeow> (Obviously there are users that do not have bluetooth and therefor don't need the tools.)
[05:39] <jdong_> seaLne: which makes me think it's a usplash bug with the new fancy color thing
[05:39] <ryanakca> kwwii_: so... all the apps that use a kde_infopage.css have a blue top-right-appname.png?
[05:39] <kwwii_> yepp, I think that they all do
[05:40] <Jucato> I think imbrandon_ has a complete one, at least in the screenshot he showed me
[05:40] <jdong_> omeow: bluez-utils does nothing and uses nothing if you don't have bluetooth
[05:40] <jdong_> omeow: why bother taking it off?
[05:40] <seaLne> i think i need to test again with lvm, as i think i may have selected the option not to write labels to lvm during d-i
[05:40] <Jucato> a complete purple Konqueror page
[05:40] <jdong_> omeow: are you short on 500KB of space?
[05:40] <_Sime> el: I probably don't have time to implement it as described in the mockup.
[05:40] <omeow> jdong_, I'm just reporting a problem I noticed.
[05:40] <el> _Sime, then just a normal tooltip - that's also fine. 
[05:41] <jdong_> omeow: ok, just making sure you're not one of those disable-services freaks :)
[05:41] <ryanakca> wow... this channel is getting busy :)
[05:41] <jdong_> omeow: sorry for lashing out :)
[05:41] <el> _Sime, can you influence the duration the tooltip is shown?
[05:41] <ryanakca> kwwii_: or wait no... I found one that has a purple top-right-appname.png KDE Help Center
[05:42] <omeow> jdong_, why do you consider those people freaks? I don't have bluetooth, nor raid, and Kubuntu's boot time is already quite slow. So I don't blame them for wanting to disable things to make it speed up booting.
[05:42] <jdong_> omeow: it doesn't speed up booting
[05:42] <jdong_> omeow: look at a bootchart before making those conclusions
[05:42] <omeow> jdong_, I even disabled RAID and onboard audio, yet it still loads things for that.
[05:43] <omeow> Why does it disregard BIOS settings?
[05:43] <Jucato> ryanakca: lol! KHelpCenter's problem is the opposite corner 
[05:43] <ryanakca> Jucato: lol, I know... that's easy to fix though
[05:43] <Jucato> yeah
[05:43] <ryanakca> just copy a working top-left logo over to the khelp directory
[05:44] <_Sime> el: I'm not sure if it possible to force a tooltip to be shown.
[05:44] <jdong_> omeow: it odesn't disregard bios settings
[05:45] <jdong_> omeow: there's just no point in having the startup scripts detect whether or not your have it on/off
[05:45] <jdong_> omeow: just try to load support, and have it fail on its own if it's off
[05:45] <jdong_> omeow: the command takes fractions of a second to execute
[05:46] <jdong_> omeow: bootup slowness right now is largely due to hd seeking
[05:46] <jdong_> omeow: we need some sort of overlay cache to speed up booting... that'll lead to real improvements
[05:46] <omeow> Are you really sure?
[05:46] <jdong_> omeow: yes.
[05:47] <omeow> I have Windows XP installed on the same machine. That doesn't take as long to boot.
[05:47] <jdong_> omeow: I've played a lot with bootup optimizations on my boxes
[05:47] <omeow> Ok.
[05:47] <jdong_> omeow: XP does some degree of bootup optimizing
[05:47] <el> _Sime, to make the tooltip event-based?
[05:47] <jdong_> i.e. laying out bootup files linearly
[05:47] <omeow> My "Mounting root file system..." step takes 33 seconds.
[05:47] <jdong_> omeow: do you use reiserfs?
[05:47] <omeow> Is that the default for Kubuntu?
[05:47] <omeow> I just used the defaults.
[05:47] <jdong_> no, ext3 is default
[05:47] <jdong_> and you can't speed that up
[05:47] <kwwii_> http://kubuntu-4_0063.tif  <-- the orig pic used to make the announcement pic
[05:47] <jdong_> that's how long it takes to mount / 
[05:48] <_Sime> el: I mean to show the tooltip immediately after the users performs a search.
[05:48] <seaLne> try mounting 2Tb reiserfs partitions :)
[05:48] <jdong_> and that's kind of a required step in bootup :)
[05:48] <jdong_> seaLne: oh god
[05:48] <jdong_> seaLne: the day I get a 500GB hd, I'll stop using reiser :)
[05:48] <seaLne> ... 4 of them
[05:48] <el> _Sime, that means there is a certain delay?
[05:48] <jdong_> seaLne: but try using ext3 for large torrents :)
[05:48] <seaLne> heh i've started using xfs recently and its behaving well
[05:49] <_Sime> el: I mean the tip won't be shown until the user mouses over the textbox.
[05:50] <el> _Sime, hm, that's not good...
[05:51] <el> _Sime, in most cases, the mouse cursor is still in the search box when the user types. so he grabs it to move it towards a hit. does this short motion _away_ from the search field suffice to show the tooltip?
[05:52] <_Sime> el: I doubt it
[05:52] <el> _Sime, then we should use labels next to the search box. 
[05:53] <_Sime> el: that might work.
[05:53] <el> _Sime, that's not so pretty, but there needs to be an indicator for the hits
[05:53] <el> _Sime, so no label when the search box is empty, show labels when the user stopped typing (is it possible to guess when the user is finished?)
[05:54] <el> _Sime, well, show labels with a short delay to the typing
[05:54] <el> to avoid flickering
[05:54] <_Sime> el: a short delay should work.
[05:55] <el> _Sime, fine :)
[05:55] <_Sime> el: I'll see what I can do this week.
[05:55] <el> _Sime, great, thanks :)
[05:58] <_Sime> Jucato: wonder no more.
[05:58] <el> ;-)
[05:59] <Jucato> she is? wow! 
[05:59] <Jucato> great job on system settings! :-D
[05:59] <el> hi Jucato 
[05:59] <Jucato> hi el! thanks for your work in improving System Settings :-D
[06:00] <el> Jucato, i'm happy that _Sime implemented it so quickly :)
[06:00] <Jucato> thanks to both of you!
[06:01] <el> :)
[06:02] <bddebian> Howd
[06:20] <Viper550> I'm just wondering, has anyone else tried these icons? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44972
[06:20] <ryanakca> kwwii_: I've got a working /usr/share/apps/libkdepim/about/ at http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kdepimabout.tar.gz
[06:21] <Jucato> Viper550: looks really nice. sort of like a mix of Oxygen and Crystal...
[06:22] <ryanakca> anyone have a page with all the kubuntu/ubuntu mailing lists?
[06:22] <Viper550> Yeah, that MUST be the default icon set for Edgy.
[06:22] <ryanakca> ooh?
[06:22] <Viper550> lists.ubuntu.com
[06:22] <ryanakca> I like it
[06:23] <Jucato> I'll try it. thanks for the link Viper550!
[06:23] <ryanakca> same here
[06:24] <ryanakca> 21mb though :(
[06:24] <ryanakca> how big is the average one? that size?
[06:30] <Viper550> 4-9 mb, but this is high-quality stuff!
[06:37] <ryanakca> lol
[06:37] <Jucato> heheh
[06:37] <ryanakca> I'm just thinking about the poor user who decides to install "kubuntu-desktop" on dialup if this is default
[06:37] <Jucato> hahah
[06:38] <ryanakca> but then... it's their fault they took an ubuntu CD
[06:38] <Jucato> lol
[06:38] <ryanakca> that host must be on dialup... I'm at 22.6kb/s... compared to my usual 300kb/s
[06:38] <Jucato> hehe! I'm on 8 kb/s
[06:39] <Viper550> Yes, painful isn't it? I'll mirror it for you all
[06:39] <ryanakca> thank-you :)
[06:39] <Jucato> thank you!
[06:39] <Jucato> heheh
[06:39] <ryanakca> grrrr... 
[06:39] <Jucato> lol
[06:39] <ryanakca> ahhh... it's taking sooo long
[06:39] <Jucato> btw ryanakca, how did your fix with Akregator go?
[06:40] <ryanakca> it's going red... and now black...
[06:40] <Jucato> O_O
[06:40] <ryanakca> I'm not done witht top-right-akregator.png yet...
[06:40] <ryanakca> haven't even started on it... I took a break
[06:40] <Viper550> Just wait, I'm uploading the icons to a server right now
[06:41] <Viper550> ryanacka: I'm using one too...at least they do keyboards right :D
[06:42] <Jucato> which makes me think that those who develop MS keyboards are from a different planet than MS...
[06:42] <Viper550> It's a Super Key, put a Superman sticker on it
[06:42] <ryanakca> yes
[06:42] <Jucato> KDE, TUX, Kubuntu... whatever! just not a Window...
[06:42] <Jucato> :-D
[06:42] <ryanakca> must be a pretty demented window... look at it.. it flutters like a flag
[06:43] <ryanakca> what use is that.. a window that flutters, give me a break
[06:43] <Jucato> it's a soft window... a very soft window. made by microSOFT...
[06:43] <ryanakca> lol
[06:43] <Jucato> yey gnomefreak!
[06:44] <ryanakca> I allwais thought that micro soft makes microscopic software... but then, why did they send windows 3.1 on 20 5 1/2" floppies...
[06:44] <ryanakca> Jucato: I own the nick now... muahahahaha
[06:44] <gnomefreak> hi
[06:44] <Jucato> heheh
[06:45] <Viper550> Almost uploaded...
[06:45] <ryanakca> almost downloaded... 85%
[06:45] <ryanakca> if KGets Remaining Time feature is any good, I've got 2:41 left
[06:46] <Jucato> 34%...
[06:46] <Jucato> is it just me, or does Konqueror-KGet really have a problem with downloading from pages that use PHP?
[06:46] <Viper550> http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/4098/realistiK-r1-tar.bz2.html
[06:47] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[06:47] <ryanakca> "Please wait 30 seconds while our ads flicker in front of your face" lol :)
[06:47] <ryanakca> Thanks Viper550
[06:47] <ryanakca> hey nixternal
[06:47] <Jucato> err. Viper550 I'm new to this site... what do I click to download??
[06:48] <Viper550> Go down, enter the code
[06:48] <ryanakca> Viper550: KGet wants to save "getfile.php"...
[06:48] <Jucato> heheh! I've noticed that a lot... 
[06:48] <Viper550> Uh oh, try Firefox
[06:48] <Jucato> KDE-Look, mininova, etc.
[06:49] <Viper550> I used Opera and it works
[06:49] <nixternal> hiya
[06:49] <ryanakca> Jucato: Viper550: I'm using firefox...
[06:49] <Jucato> I pray for the day that someone will make a FF extension that would allow Firefox to use KGet
[06:49] <ryanakca> They have
[06:49] <ryanakca> Flashgot
[06:49] <Jucato> really??
[06:49] <Jucato> ooh.. me wanna try
[06:49] <ryanakca> Jucato: [11:04]  <-- imbrandon has left this server ("k-line")
[06:49] <ryanakca> Jucato: I've been using it for about a year :)
[06:50] <Jucato> yay! darn I thought KGet didn't work with it :-D
[06:51] <ryanakca> lol
[06:53] <Jucato> ok... I've been wanting to ask this... Why doesn't Kubuntu use the Kubuntu logo for the K Menu?
[06:54] <gnomefreak> it does in 3.5.4
[06:54] <ryanakca> Kubuntu logo?
[06:54] <ryanakca> oh, it
[06:54] <ryanakca> dunno
[06:54] <Jucato> yes, our beloved 3 gear-headed Kubuntu log...
[06:54] <gnomefreak> brb gonna smoke and decide what i have left to do
[06:54] <Jucato> s/log/logo
[06:55] <Jucato> the logo isn't even available as an icon?
[06:59] <abattoir> Jucato: i think the last time someone asked this, the answer was that kubuntu didnt want to hide its KDE roots or something like tha
[06:59] <abattoir> *that
[06:59] <Jucato> ah...
[07:00] <ryanakca> ooh... realistik is but kicking sweet
[07:00] <Jucato> It would make Kubuntu consistent with Ubuntu and Xubuntu, though...
[07:00] <ryanakca> Jucato: kcontrol will hang for about a minute though...
[07:00] <ryanakca> while it extracts
[07:00] <Jucato> ooh...
[07:01] <Jucato> coz it's big!!!
[07:01] <ryanakca> YEAH!
[07:01] <ryanakca> I like everything except the ferny
[07:01] <Jucato> ferny?
[07:01] <ryanakca> kmenu icon...
[07:01] <Jucato> aah
[07:02] <Jucato> I think he mentions something about a script to use a K Menu icon?
[07:02] <ryanakca> yes, but if you install it threw kcontrol, the script isn't run
[07:02] <ryanakca> and the install script doesn't work here
[07:02] <Jucato> aaah
[07:02] <Jucato> hm...lemme see then.. :-D
[07:04] <ryanakca> Jucato: here, got a fix for it
[07:04] <ryanakca> Jucato: install threw KControl
[07:05] <ryanakca> in console cd ~/.kde/share/icons/realistiK && chmod +x ferny-disappear.sh && ./ferny-disappear.sh --klogo-cool
[07:06] <ryanakca> then in KControl, switch to another icon set, and then switch back to realistiK
[07:06] <Jucato> thanks! me gonna try once it finishes downloading...
[07:06] <ryanakca> man this guy has talent
[07:07] <Jucato> yeah. I wonder how long before word spreads... the icon theme was just posted Aug 31..
[07:07] <ryanakca> kwwii_: ping
[07:07] <ryanakca> This should be default
[07:07] <Jucato> or at least they should make it easy to do that...
[07:07] <Jucato> I've noticed that if you hide KDE apps in GNOME using Alacarte, they will also be hidden from K Menu...
[07:08] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[07:08] <ryanakca> I have ryan for kde, user1 for gnome, user2 for xfce, and user3 for afterstep/fluxbox/ratpoison/fvwm/etc
[07:09] <Jucato> ah. I mean for the same user...
[07:09] <Jucato> if user1 hides KDE apps in GNOME using Alacarte, he won't see them in K Menu if ever he logs into KDE...
[07:11] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:15] <seaLne> should amarok not detect lack of xine extra codecs when playing an mp3 stream?
[07:18] <Jucato> I thought it already did in 1.4.2?
[07:18] <Jucato> or in Edgy?
[07:19] <seaLne> it didn't for me just know in knot2
[07:19] <seaLne> i was wondering if it maybe only worked with local mp3 files
[07:25] <claydoh> ryanakca: I use this to assist with menu glut after I install gnome on kubuntu:
[07:25] <claydoh> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31025
[07:27] <Jucato> ryanakca: I think there's an error in the script for that icon theme
[07:27] <ryanakca> claydoh: thanks
[07:27] <ryanakca> Jucato: whats wrong
[07:28] <Jucato> it calls "dialog" when it should call "kdialog"?
[07:28] <Jucato> ./ferny-disappear.sh: line 5: dialog: command not found
[07:29] <Jucato> I had to change that line in the script from "dialog" to "kdialog"
[07:30] <ryanakca> wierd... worked for me
[07:30] <ryanakca> the install one or the ferney one?
[07:30] <Jucato> I installed through KControl, then ran those commands as you said
[07:31] <Jucato> when I type "dialog" form the terminal, it returns "command not found"
[07:31] <Jucato> btw, once I changed that line to kdialog, it worked. And I didn't have to change icon themes for it to take effect...
[07:31] <ryanakca> wierd
[07:32] <ryanakca> probably my messed up system :)
[07:32] <Jucato> i just had to restart kicker :-D
[07:32] <ryanakca> lol, if you had switched in kcontrol, you wouldn't've'ad to do that 
[07:32] <pygi> imbrandon_, poke?
[07:33] <Jucato> hey, didn't notice imbrandon entered the room...
[07:33] <imbrandon> ello pygi, one minute, rebooting
[07:34] <pygi> oki, then I need you
[07:34] <Jucato> imbrandon is currently the most wanted person in KDE...
[07:34] <Jucato> s/kde/kubuntu
[07:34] <imbrandon> heh figures
[07:34] <pygi> Jucato, what he broke? :)
[07:34] <Jucato> Amarok on PPC
[07:34] <Jucato> :p
[07:35] <pygi> Jucato, nice :)
[07:35] <Jucato> and kwwii_'s gonna hurt him bad for it. :-D
[07:35] <pygi> kwwii_, you're here!!!
[07:35] <imbrandon> what !?!
[07:36] <imbrandon> works ok on _my_ ppc ;)
[07:36] <pygi> imbrandon, I want the trinity UI; and I mean now! :P
[07:36] <Jucato> bug 58566
[07:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58566 in amarok "amarok fails to start up, looping in sqlite library" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58566
[07:36] <Jucato> does Ubugtu also work with bugs.kde.org?
[07:36] <imbrandon> Jucato: thats fixed in -0ubuntu3 ( but not pushed to dapper yet )
[07:36] <abattoir> Jucato: think so, yes
[07:36] <pygi> Jucato, yes
[07:36] <imbrandon> Jucato: yes
[07:36] <Jucato> bug 133450
[07:36] <pygi> Jucato, ok, so answer? :)
[07:37] <abattoir> kde bug 133450
[07:37] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133450 in general "amaroK does not start on ubuntu PPC because of sqlite errors" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133450
[07:37] <Jucato> oh there..
[07:37] <pygi> imbrandon, * ok, so answer on trinity UI? :)
[07:37] <imbrandon> i dont have it completed atm
[07:37] <pygi> eh, you said that three months ago also :(
[07:38] <imbrandon> 3 MONTHS !?! i think not but yes its been a while
[07:39] <pygi> so I guess you'll never work on it and never complete it
[07:39] <imbrandon> anyhow as i said Jucato thats fixed in -0ubuntu3 thats uploaded, and will be backported to dapper as soon as they fix soyuz to allow it
[07:40] <Jucato> imbrandon: yep. actually those were not my bugs... kwwii_ is affected by it...
[07:40] <imbrandon> pygi: i will when i have some time to, but feel free to rip it out of kuroos too
[07:40] <kwwii_> ahhhh, here he is....
[07:40] <Jucato> and just a lot of people asking
[07:40] <imbrandon> kwwii_: you still on dapper ?
[07:40] <kwwii_> imbrandon: dude, what did you do to my computer last night?
[07:40] <Jucato> lol
[07:40] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[07:40] <kwwii_> imbrandon: yepp
[07:40] <ryanakca> kwwii_: did you get that link?
[07:41] <danimo> imbrandon: what about my favourite packages? :)
[07:41] <kwwii_> ryanakca: don't think so, which one?
[07:41] <kwwii_> imbrandon: do you know how to fix it?
[07:41] <imbrandon> kwwii_: the fix isnt backported to dapper yet becouse of a bug in soyuz , i'll see if kamoin cant poke someone to get it faster
[07:41] <imbrandon> kwwii_: yea
[07:41] <imbrandon> kwwii_: the fix is in edgy already
[07:41] <imbrandon> just not dapper yet
[07:42] <ryanakca> [12:16]  <ryanakca> kwwii_: I've got a working /usr/share/apps/libkdepim/about/ at http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kdepimabout.tar.gz
[07:42] <imbrandon> danimo: i dunno i havent tried yet today i just woke up
[07:42] <imbrandon> ryanakca:  wow that would be incredibly crazy
[07:42] <Jucato> imbrandon: told yah you're the most wanted person today :-D
[07:42] <imbrandon> to replace libs arbitrarly
[07:43] <ryanakca> imbrandon: what would? no... just the directory... with the purple theme... about/ is just .png and stuff
[07:43] <imbrandon> ryanakca: ohh yea i know ( btw you know i have all those done right, they just dident make it into knot2 in time )
[07:43] <Jucato> lol
[07:44] <ryanakca> imbrandon: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/akregator.png
[07:44] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I know... I just copy pasted yours from kdeui dir (iirc)
[07:44] <ryanakca> from /usr/share/apps/kdeui/about
[07:45] <ryanakca> you had just never gotten around to the kdepim part I don't think
[07:45] <imbrandon> no i did it just isnt uploaded yet
[07:45] <imbrandon> heh
[07:45] <ryanakca> lol
[07:45] <imbrandon> they are all redone from the svg's
[07:45] <imbrandon> as i just said i have /all/ those doen just not ready to upload
[07:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:45] <ryanakca> so... you did akregator, kontact, kmail/kdepim's top-right-appname.png?
[07:46] <imbrandon> top-right-*.png yes
[07:46] <ryanakca> I was told this morning they weren't done :)
[07:46] <kwwii_> ryanakca: so everything is done except the top-right pics, eh?
[07:46] <imbrandon> iirc i rember seeing in the logs Jucato did tell you ;)
[07:46] <kwwii_> it looks pretty good in general
[07:47] <Jucato> I showed them the screenshots....
[07:47] <ryanakca> kwwii_: imbrandon did them all
[07:47] <kwwii_> sweet
[07:47] <ryanakca> imbrandon: he told me konqueror was done
[07:47] <kwwii_> but he fscked my amarok :-)
[07:47] <Jucato> lol
[07:47] <Jucato> back to amarok :-D
[07:47] <ryanakca> [11:12]  <Jucato> ryanakca: there's still Kontact and KMail to go. eheheh
[07:47] <kwwii_> he still owes me two pieces of art for that!
[07:47] <imbrandon> kwwii_: hahah no soyuz fsked it becouse its blocking the -0ubuntu-3 backport ;)
[07:47] <imbrandon> kwwii_: deal ;)
[07:48] <kwwii_> thank god xmms still works
[07:48] <Jucato> k3b and Kopete still couldn't get through to backports... didn't know soyuz had so much power... :-D
[07:48] <imbrandon> anyhow lemme finish checking my mail then i'll see about the blocked backports
[07:49] <imbrandon> k3b there is issues with, kopete i havent checked on
[07:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kwwii_: is there anything art related that isn't done yet?
[07:49] <Jucato> imbrandon: ah. coz Riddel made the announcement for it already. someone just asked why no update was available, though
[07:54] <abattoir> Riddell: are you free?
[07:56] <kwwii_> ryanakca: hrm, let me think
[07:56] <kwwii_> we still need to work on an amarok theme, but SINCE MY DOESN`T WORK I CAN'T
[07:56] <kwwii_> :p
[07:56] <Jucato> lol
[07:57] <kwwii_> did I mention that already?
[07:57] <kwwii_> ryanakca: we could also work on a metabar theme
[07:57] <Jucato> hm....
[07:57] <ryanakca> kwwii_: metabar?
[07:58] <Jucato> could I make a suggestion? there's a big blank blue screen in between the Login Screen and the Splash Screen...
[07:58] <ryanakca> yes, I... dislike it...
[07:58] <kwwii_> we can change the color of that blue probably
[07:59] <pygi> kwwii_, hello, long time no see
[07:59] <kwwii_> pygi: yeah, it has been a while, "hi"
[07:59] <pygi> kwwii_, nice work on icons, GTK UI looks fantastic with them :)
[08:00] <danimo> imbrandon: no hurry, preparing a pizza and then watching the football match against ireland
[08:00] <kwwii_> pygi: ;-)
[08:00] <pygi> kwwii_, how have you been? ;-)
[08:00] <kwwii_> ryanakca: metabar is a tab in the konqueror NAvigation  panel
[08:00] <kwwii_> pygi: busy as a bee
[08:01] <pygi> kwwii_, no kidding :) same here ;-)
[08:01] <kwwii_> ryanakca: it shows you info kinda like MS does
[08:01] <pygi> kwwii_, anything regular people can see? :)
[08:01] <kwwii_> pygi: well, pretty much everything in edgy kubuntu ;-)
[08:02] <pygi> kwwii_, oh, right ^_^
[08:02] <abattoir> kwwii_: would it be possible to have a 'glassy' translucent kicker in edgy(to match the login screen) ?
[08:02] <abattoir> :P
[08:02] <Jucato> what if kdmrc was set to  UseBackround=true, the backgroundrc was set to use the Login Screen's/Splash Screen's background/wallpaper?
[08:02] <nixternal> thank god for /home partitions ;)
[08:03] <nixternal> ummm...wth did mozilla-mplayer go?
[08:03] <kwwii_> abattoir: only if you'll patch kicker to do it in a configurable way :-)
[08:03] <Viper550> abattoir: You can't have transparent backgrounds and panel backgrounds...
[08:03] <Viper550> I tried to apply a transparent PNG as my panel background, and it just doesn't work!
[08:03] <abattoir> aah, ok :(
[08:04] <shining> Jucato: I'm not sure what you are saying, but I like having the same wallpaper in kdm and in kde
[08:05] <Jucato> shining: that was the same as setting a background in System Settings > Login Manager, so that there will be no blank blue screen in between the Login Screen and Splash Screen...
[08:08] <shining> hm wait, I still don't understand anything
[08:08] <Jucato> err.. :p
[08:08] <shining> I used to set the background shown during the login, and during the start of kde in the same place
[08:09] <shining> where you said
[08:09] <shining> in Login Manager
[08:09] <shining> but using kubuntu, it only affects it during kde start
[08:10] <ryanakca> kwwii_: back... and how would I do that... do I have a template or something to work from?
[08:10] <hunger> Wha this purple theme is really sick.
[08:10] <Viper550> hunger: Sick - good or bad?
[08:10] <hunger> Especially with some graphics still in the old blue one.
[08:10] <hunger> Viper550: Bad!
[08:11] <imbrandon> hunger: thats why its a development version
[08:11] <Viper550> (I actually don't have a drink)
[08:11] <imbrandon> shining: #kubuntu might be a better place for that
[08:11] <Jucato> the schizophrenic backgrounds have been fixed. just waiting to be uploaded says imbrandon
[08:11] <hunger> imbrandon: So I can still hope for a better default theme?
[08:12] <ryanakca> THAT.. is edgy :)
[08:12] <imbrandon> hunger: not likely
[08:12] <Jucato> lol
[08:12] <Jucato> hunger: it will still be purple :-D
[08:12] <hunger> kcontrol has a blue "spot" where the theme is not aplied. That is really ugly.
[08:12] <ryanakca> no fancy graphics... although we migh be nice enough to give them a cheap shell
[08:12] <imbrandon> hunger: as i said a development version
[08:12] <ryanakca> hunger: we know... we aren't done working on it
[08:12] <Jucato> and like I said, fixed but gonna be uploaded...
[08:12] <Jucato>  O_O
[08:13] <ryanakca> hunger: no... we didn't change it, you did :)
[08:13] <ryanakca> hunger: you switched to edgy :) Feel free to go back to dapper, or be patient, and use an unstable, developmental version
[08:13] <hunger> ryanakca: I did not. I updated my system like normal and suddenly konqui went all purple:-)
[08:14] <Jucato> ryanakca: classmate! :-D
[08:14] <Viper550> You know hunger, you CAN change the theme though.
[08:14] <hunger> ryanakca: I am on edgy since the archives opened:-)
[08:14] <ryanakca> Jucato: Classmate?
[08:15] <Jucato> lol
[08:15] <Jucato> sorry, sir
[08:15] <ryanakca> like us :)
[08:15] <Jucato> lol
[08:16] <ryanakca> now... metabar theme... If I can figure out what image I base myself on, I'd be much happier :)
[08:16] <ryanakca> Jucato: done downloading that iconset?
[08:17] <Viper550> ROFL
[08:17] <Jucato> ryanakca: using it. that's why I told you there was something wrong with the script on my side... :-D
[08:17] <ryanakca> oh yeah
[08:17] <ryanakca> lol
[08:17] <Jucato> hehe
[08:17] <Viper550> Well, at least my desktop looks nice: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=161684178444f78808acba0&m=screen
[08:17] <Viper550> ooops
[08:18] <Viper550> http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=7247_purpleandgloss.png
[08:18] <Viper550> Accidentally had that other one on my clipboard, sorry (Should have used Klipper)
[08:19] <abattoir> Viper550: why does it have the fedora homepage instead of the kubuntu one? ;)
[08:19] <abattoir> oh, you are on fedora...
[08:19] <Viper550> I actually don't use Ubuntu, I used to though, that's why I still support Ubuntu.
[08:19] <ryanakca> first one is nice as well :)
[08:20] <ryanakca> nice...
[08:20] <ryanakca> not as nice as kubuntu though...
[08:20] <shining> what is less nice?
[08:21] <Viper550> Yeah...I actually used to use Ubuntu Breezy, but then Metabar borked up my APT dependencies, and I couldn't use APT anymore (because I couldn't get it unstuck)
[08:21] <ryanakca> shining: not "not as nice"... just I don't like it as much as kubuntu
[08:21] <ryanakca> I think kubuntu has more of a sense of "community"?
[08:22] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[08:22] <ryanakca> breezy was nice
[08:23] <hunger> That was a really good distro. Too bad that it is so outdated by now.
[08:23] <Viper550> I switched a few months before Dapper came out
[08:23] <imbrandon> wow /me pointsing earlier dident work
[08:23] <Viper550> April...
[08:25] <Jucato> hm... did he just go to #ubuntu-offtopic? :-D
[08:26] <Hawkwind> Yep
[08:41] <imbrandon> wow i dident mean to clear the room, just not be sooooooo offtopic ;)
[08:42] <nixternal> lol
[08:44] <hunger> kdbus crashes before showing its gui. Should I bugreport that?
[08:45] <imbrandon> hunger: if you can reliably reporduce it and in edgy i would say so
[08:46] <hunger> OK...
[08:51] <nixternal> well..im back to OOo...reinstalled Edgy Knot2..i had so much fubar it wasn't funny...it seems i got a bunch of borked updates that killed a lot of crap...now it runs purty ;)
[08:52] <nixternal> thank god for /home partitions though
[08:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: in konvo, is the "flash taskbar icon" broken?
[08:56] <ryanakca> lol
[08:56] <ryanakca> anybody know where the kubuntu metabar theme is located?
[08:56] <nixternal> kubuntu-default?
[08:56] <ryanakca> directory?
[08:57] <imbrandon> nixternal: no
[08:57] <ryanakca> .kw.wii_.  offered me the job of creating a new one... but I have nothing to work with 
[08:57] <imbrandon> infact thats how i just seen this message
[08:57] <nixternal> argh, it is broke here
[08:57] <nixternal> hehe
[08:57] <imbrandon> ryanakca: look in kubuntu-default-settings
[08:58] <abattoir> ryanakca: /usr/share/apps/metabar ??
[08:58] <nixternal> highlight me
[08:58] <ryanakca> apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings?
[08:58] <ryanakca> nixternal
[08:58] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yes
[08:58] <imbrandon> nixternal: 
[08:58] <nixternal> argh
[08:58] <Jucato>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/metabar
[08:58] <Jucato> actually /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/metabaWhat are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3s/kubuntu
[08:58] <ryanakca> nixternal: maybe because konversation is open?
[08:58] <Jucato> lol sorry
[08:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:58] <Jucato>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/metabaWhat are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3s/kubuntu
[08:58] <nixternal> konversation has to be open silly ;)
[08:58] <Jucato> darn!!
[08:59] <Jucato>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/metabar/themes/kubuntu
[08:59] <Jucato> sorry about that... darn Auto Replace :-D
[08:59] <imbrandon> Jucato: does no good to use that, that could have been customized by something after install
[08:59] <imbrandon> change the source package
[09:00] <ryanakca> imbrandon: and where do I send the source package when I'm done?
[09:00] <Jucato> imbrandon: ryanakca was asking where the metabar theme was
[09:00] <ryanakca> add them to my broken repositories?
[09:00] <imbrandon> ryanakca: me or Riddell or kwwii_ ;)
[09:00] <ryanakca> kk
[09:00] <nixternal> highlight me
[09:00] <ryanakca> nixternal
[09:00] <nixternal> omg die!
[09:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: is it because konveration is your current window?
[09:00] <imbrandon> Jucato: and i told him kubuntu-default -settings ( eg apt-get source kubunut-default-settings )
[09:01] <Jucato> aaah oh sorry. :-D
[09:01] <imbrandon> nixternal: it dosent do it if its your active window
[09:01] <nixternal> wooot...got it
[09:01] <Jucato> so sorry :-D
[09:01] <nixternal> it was my icon theme
[09:01] <nixternal> ;(
[09:01] <imbrandon> Jucato:  no worries just eltting you know
[09:01] <imbrandon> letting*
[09:04] <Jucato> clear
[09:04] <Jucato> oops... wrong window...
[10:02] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[10:03] <jjesse> quick question edgy will be supported for 18 months correct?
[10:04] <imbrandon> yup
[10:04] <jjesse> cool, working on updating docs
[10:38] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: ping http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/metabarbackground.png
[10:39] <crimsun> ryanakca: he's away at his son's birthday party.
[10:39] <ryanakca> crimsun: kk
[11:00] <ryanakca> kwwii_: ping
[11:00] <kwwii_> ryanakca: hi
[11:01] <ryanakca> kwwii_: I have your metabar theme
[11:01] <kwwii_> ryanakca: cool, got a screenshot?
[11:01] <kwwii_> in fact, why not add that and the about page stuff to the wiki as well?
[11:03] <ryanakca> should I debuild -S -sa?  http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/metabar.png
[11:03] <kwwii_> of course, you need to send me the stuff as well, so that we can include it
[11:03] <ryanakca> kwwii_: about page stuff.. .imbr.andon. has it... he had it done before I even started :)
[11:04] <kwwii_> I did not realize that he had finished it
[11:04] <kwwii_> sorry
[11:04] <ryanakca> lol
[11:04] <ryanakca> dont worry
[11:04] <ryanakca> It was practice :)
[11:04] <kwwii_> it might be best to use the same kinda bg in the metabar theme as in amarok
[11:05] <ryanakca> ?
[11:05] <Tm_T> yes
[11:05] <kwwii_> amarok also has a similar bg
[11:05] <kwwii_> ryanakca: can you send me what you have done...we should try to make those pics similar
[11:06] <kwwii_> ken@oxygen-icons.org
[11:06] <ryanakca> so do you want to use the amarok one in konqueror or vice versa?
[11:06] <kwwii_> well, the amarok one is not done, sooooo....
[11:06] <ryanakca> kk, oh, and I touched up default.css
[11:07] <kwwii_> cool, if you could send that stuff to me it won't get lost :-)
[11:07] <kwwii_> for tonight, I have to go to bed...gotta get up early tomorrow
[11:07] <ryanakca> it had lines that were empty within brackets... like "title { LN 1, LN2, LN3 (empty), LN4 } as well as some miss-tabbed entries
[11:07] <ryanakca> yeah, I'll tarball it :)
[11:07] <kwwii_> hehe, cool :-)
[11:07] <kwwii_> thanks
[11:07] <kwwii_> see you all tomorrow
[11:08] <ryanakca> see yah
[11:22] <Tm_T> meh
[11:22] <Tm_T> I have to take liblcms1 from debian unstable so I can build krita
[11:23] <Tm_T> dapper here
[11:26] <crimsun> from Sid not Edgy?
[11:26] <crimsun> (the source packages are identical)
[11:30] <Tm_T> well, I didn't look from edgy
[11:30] <Tm_T> just followed link from lcms website
[12:01] <jdong> imbrandon_: konversaion 1.0 ftbfs'ed for dapper-backports... got any ideas on that?
[12:02] <crimsun> link to the build log, please
[12:03] <Riddell> abattoir: pong
[12:04] <Riddell> imbrandon_: pong
[12:05] <Riddell> jdong: 1.0-0ubuntu1 also failed in edgy so it's not surprising
[12:05] <Riddell> jdong: you want to backport 1.0-0ubuntu2
[12:11] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/wtf.png