[12:09] <thomas> at least it looks so
[12:09] <thomas> alternatively, try alternate text-based kubuntu unstaller
[12:10] <thomas> can someone how to restart Xserver from ssh client?
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> thomas: sudo service sshd restart
[12:14] <Linux_Galore> ooh restart X
[12:14] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[12:17] <kutan> Hmmm
[12:17] <kutan> Does Ark extract RARs?
[12:18] <CVirus> kutan: sudo apt-get install unrar
[12:18] <Hawkwind> kutan: Yes
[12:18] <CVirus> kutan: and ark will be able to extrar .rar
[12:18] <CVirus> extract*
[12:18] <kutan> K, thanks
[12:30] <kutan> Is it quiet in here or is it just me?
[12:36] <pierreth> hello
[12:36] <pierreth> i have a font problem in openoffice
[12:37] <pierreth> some accented characters are at the wrong place
[12:37] <pierreth> this is only in oo and not in another application
[12:37] <pierreth> any idea?
[12:40] <charims> Hi everyone, i finally got my install to finish...
[12:41] <word> Ok..so i have a problem where when i leave my computer on for about 2 days...things start getting funky memory fills up etc. lots of seek errors (87% sure not an hd problem but the seek errors were pretty much present with X..if you'd like to help with those as well feel free ><) ) then when i restart Xgl doesn't start up..I got the output from dmesg after having it on for a couple days - http://pastebin.ca/156686 and after it fails to start up 
[12:41] <word> alized on this occurance of the problem..that by doing /etc/init.d/kdm restart xgl starts up fine now i would think this is kdm's fault or something but this never happened with X...any ideas?
[12:43] <charims> crimsun: ping
[12:48] <rr72> how do i uninstall openoffice.org?
[12:48] <rr72> its crap and giving me problems
[12:49] <Sanne> word: if you get no response here, you might also try in #ubuntu, as there are usually more people there. Maybe somebody there knows.
[12:49] <word> Sanne: thanks will do
[12:49] <Ash-Fox> rr72, click [K] ->System->Adept and remove it from there
[12:49] <Sanne> word: good luck :)
[12:49] <word> :D
[12:49] <rr72> Ash-Fox~ it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:49] <rr72> and i don't use adept, i do by hand
[12:49] <Ash-Fox> rr72, that's fine.
[12:50] <rr72> what is kubuntu-desktop?
[12:50] <chx> a meta package
[12:50] <chx> does not matter much
[12:50] <rr72> ok
[12:50] <rr72> ty
[12:50] <chx> makes easy to install the kubuntu dekstop if you have plain ubuntu
[12:50] <Ash-Fox> Unless you want to stay upto date with kubuntu's selection of default installed programs
[12:50] <RawSewage_> can someone help with Edgy.  Ubuntu+1 is abandoned
[12:50] <RawSewage_> no one is saying antyhing for 20 minutes
[12:50] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: Those are the guys who run it.  Gotta be patient
[12:50] <RawSewage_> ok
[12:51] <chx> i am trying to solve an apt-get dist-upgrade problem which says for me `/usr/lib/libdns_sd.so.1', which is also in package bonjour     and i am trying to remove bonjour now
[12:51] <Polioincornholio> ok
[12:51] <chx> but it comlains about the dependency problems instead of removing that one :(
[12:52] <Polioincornholio> if the directory of my ndiswrapper-utils file is /home/paul/documents, can someone tell me what i need to put to install it?
[12:53] <chx> doh dpkg -r bonjour was the solution
[12:53] <Polioincornholio> pweese
[12:56] <comrad[JL] > anyone know why my resolution won't go above 1024x768 , i have a 17 inch dell flat panel with an nvidia fx5700 :\
[12:56] <comrad[JL] > just installed ubuntu yesterday :\
[12:56] <comrad[JL] > it should be able to go more right?
[12:58] <SpAwN> comrad[JL] , yea have a look at you /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure that u have the rosolution u wan t in there
[12:59] <SpAwN> comrad[JL] , like on mine have a look at this http://pastebin.ulteo.us/74   and now i can choose between all those diff resolutions
[01:05] <gambix> hi
[01:05] <rgbetanco> hi everyone
[01:06] <rgbetanco> hey gambix
[01:06] <kutan> Be thou honest in thy tidings?
[01:06] <mata> hi
[01:06] <gambix> is someone can tell me if edgy is suffisely stable for use ?
[01:07] <chx> gambix: can you tell me what date is today?
[01:07] <oslo> 4 me yes it is
[01:08] <gambix> 02 september
[01:08] <oslo> only kopete(messenger) & amarok(music) crash sometimes
[01:08] <gambix> oki
[01:09] <chx> gambix: true. compare that with http://everythingelse.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/ubuntu-edgy-eft-release-dates/  and decide for yourself
[01:09] <chx> gambix: i would not touch edgy for a good two weeks
[01:09] <chx> gambix: and even then it'll be probably a big adventure
[01:10] <gambix> hum yes :)
[01:11] <gambix> 2 weeks
[01:11] <oslo> gambix: sorry i misunderstood with dapper .... sorry  i s*xed
[01:11] <gambix> not befor 14th
[01:11] <gambix> i need to make gambas up to date for this sytem
[01:12] <gambix> i hope to have debs on the repository :)
[01:13] <gambix> does edgy will support xgl ?
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> gambix: I know it was one of Mark Shuttleworth's goals when edgy devel started, but since I haven't heard any more on it.
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> or perhaps suggestion is a better word?
[01:17] <skavenge> rumor is its not going to make it i heard
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> skavenge: I figured as much since I hadn't heard anything about it since then. I would think that even though it's not going to be official - hopefully at least the official ubuntu packages will work this time so we don't need to go to outside sources.
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> xgl is updated and in universe in edgy I think
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xgl edgy
[01:19] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> Personally I'm not too interested in it until kde window decor works with it. :p
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> I am not really interested in it until nvidia binary drivers support aiglx and glucose is written
[01:19] <gambix> i'm agree with that
[01:20] <chx> what's glucose?
[01:20] <CVirus> !info glucose
[01:20] <ubotu> Package glucose does not exist in any distro I know
[01:20] <gambix> it's sugar ;)
[01:20] <chx> (+1 for nvidia binary drivers)
[01:20] <CVirus> hehe
[01:20] <skavenge> wow so it did make it in the edgy repos, i was going to say they're getting frozen at the end of the month
[01:20] <jordi_> how can i know if my usb is connected on sda1 or sda2 etc...?
[01:20] <chx> dmesg | tail
[01:20] <chx> maybe
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> glucose is what will provide aiglx / xorg with everything xgl has
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: ah, so no need to run xgl on top of xorg?
[01:22] <jordi_> chx: thanks
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> I don't know the specifics of how it will work but I think it will be properly integrated into xorg
[01:23] <RavenTest> hey
[01:25] <gambix> so who will won...? xgl or aiglx ?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> aiglx has already won imo (its integrated into xorg 7.1)
[01:26] <skavenge> i would agree, i mean its already integrated vs being on top
[01:26] <gambix> so now it miss only glucose...
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> yeah, way better to have only 1 server.
[01:27] <gambix> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-August/017527.html
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> Aero Glass is the best though
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> I think that's what Vista's is called isn't it?
[01:31] <dismal> Could someone help me out with installing ati drivers?  I've dpkg'd the rpm (alien'd it to a .deb) and it all worked, error free.  Now what?
[01:32] <edju> !install
[01:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[01:33] <danny500> I just did something almost impossible on linux!
[01:34] <danny500> I just installed Direct X 8 on linux!
[01:34] <danny500> with wine!
[01:34] <danny500> My graphics just went through the roof
[01:34] <dismal> nice
[01:35] <danny500> has anybody else done this?
[01:35] <danny500> or am I the first?
[01:35] <Sanne> dismal: I don't use ATI, so I can't help you, but maybe this can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> danny500: I have installed directx 9 under cedega and wine
[01:36] <danny500> o ok, geuss I'm not the only one
[01:36] <danny500> lol
[01:36] <chx> danny500: a year ago there was an SF project for this
[01:36] <danny500> o ok
[01:36] <dismal> thanks Sanne.  Turns out i did manage to install it - cedega and everything says i have 3d accel :)
[01:36] <skavenge> lol
[01:36] <Sanne> dismal: hah, congrats :)
[01:37] <ironfroggy> how can i specify a remote X server for something to run on?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> xterm -display 192.168.10.4:0 & for example
[01:39] <oslo> .
[01:39] <ironfroggy> and do ALL support those arguments? what if they dont?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> or just use ssh forwarding its easier than setting up xauth
[01:40] <ironfroggy> how would i specify that?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: do you already have ssh working ?
[01:42] <ironfroggy> yes
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> X11Forwarding yes (in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) ForwardX11 yes in /etc/ssh_config (easiest way - there is a more secure way of doing it but I forget what it is I don't use X forwarding much)
[01:43] <dismal> Does anyone here use an Alps touchpad (Inspiron 6000 is the lappy its in)
[01:43] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: and those go on the box running X, right?
[01:43] <dismal> I'm trying to get kubuntu to stop clicking when i drum on the touchpad (which i do a lot heh)
[01:43] <skavenge> dismal: i do, ive got the same laptop, and ive been running dapper for about 6 months and never figured it out
[01:44] <ironfroggy> dismal: thats just what it does. its like hitting the mouse button.
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: the ssh_config is for the one running X the sshd one is for the other box
[01:44] <skavenge> its easy as pie with a synaptics but alps .. yikes ;/
[01:44] <dismal> hmm, i noticalpsed that my x11 conf has synaptics as the touchpad type - anyway to make that alps (and as such run properly)
[01:45] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: wait im confused then. sshd on the box im running the app then? but wouldnt that mean the box with the X server is connecting to me, not the other way around?
[01:45] <skavenge> dismal: ive seen some bits on ubuntuforums, but nothing concrete
[01:45] <dcmr> I have a weired network problem where something overides my dhcp from the router and changes my ip from 192.168..... to 169.254....
[01:45] <lters> dismal: cover it with cardboard
[01:45] <dcmr> anyone know what would do that?
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: What exactly are you trying to do ?
[01:46] <dismal> and on that note ironfroggy, do you have your media keys working (vol up/down)
[01:46] <ironfroggy> dismal: no i havent been able to configure the volume keys yet.
[01:46] <skavenge> i dont, they work in gnome but not in kubuntu for some reason
[01:46] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i want to run something on my laptop with the window on my desktop.
[01:47] <larson9999> i think i made a mistake and turned my 5 year old on to playstation.  i was doing good keeping him on OSS games
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: so the laptop is running ssh and the desktop sshd ?
[01:47] <dismal> ironfroggy: how do you find the battery life?  I just installed kubuntu and im considering keeping it on for the school year but i need to be sure the batter life isnt total crap
[01:47] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: the desktop could be, but isnt at this very moment.
[01:48] <skavenge> ironfroggy: so the desktop is running it but your using it through the laptop? i'd use freenx, thats what i've got working
[01:48] <ironfroggy> dismal: well the icon in the system tray should be present.
[01:48] <ironfroggy> but acpi tools are available too
[01:48] <skavenge> freenx will give you a whole x session on the laptop from the desktop, via ssh
[01:48] <dismal> it is, but im wondering your personal experience
[01:49] <ironfroggy> i dont want a session. i only want one window.
[01:49] <ironfroggy> im already running a session on the laptop and i dont want to run more.
[01:49] <skavenge> ah, that'd be overkill then
[01:49] <ironfroggy> i just want to do editing on the other screen while i watch the debugger on the other.
[01:50] <ironfroggy> but i dont want to connect the monitor to the laptop, because i still want to use the desktop.
[01:53] <ironfroggy> do i need to run xhost +mylaptophostname on the desktop?
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> not with ssh forwarding
[01:58] <lajene> when i try to open af package, "the utility is not in your path, please install it or contact your system administrator" - what now?
[02:02] <chx> i have a dvd where the menu is crap and there are tons of easter eggs
[02:02] <chx> aside from playing each vob by mplayer
[02:02] <chx> is there a better solution? xine does not seem to let me choose by track number
[02:05] <larson9999> chx what do you want to do?
[02:06] <chx> larson9999: play every chapter without navigating the DVD's own menu
[02:07] <vs> i just got this baby running
[02:07] <larson9999> chx: i don't know much about video and dvd stuff but several tools will let you reauthor into one continuos deal
[02:08] <chx> larson9999: uh huh i would rather just watch the disk then reauthor
[02:08] <chx> *than
[02:08] <larson9999> chx: i use one to make backups of my son's dvds and i take out that stuff.
[02:08] <larson9999> chx: yeah, i figured you'd say that :)
[02:08] <vs> sound is great listening to the lostprofets
[02:09] <vs> i love this distro
[02:09] <chx> i have this list of vob files here
[02:09] <larson9999> chx: i don't know what your options for that are
[02:09] <chx> if i tried mplayer vtssomething.vob it says it's encrypted and mplayer dvd:// seems to play only the first one
[02:10] <vs> it took me forever to sudo -i
[02:10] <larson9999> vs: how about the last poets?
[02:10] <vs> sudo passwd root
[02:10] <vs> larson never heard them
[02:12] <vs> being a mathematician, my poet friend to  me to start with pabloneruda, and my kid supply me with the mp3s of their X
[02:13] <Teller> Hi! I can't get my USB mouse to work on my touchpad equipped laptop.. When I move the mouse while I cat /dev/input/mouse0 I get output, so the kernel finds it alright.. More info on http://pastebin.ca/158173
[02:13] <vs> i just cant tell how good this distro looks on my monitor
[02:14] <chx> i turns out we have no chapters but 'titles' and mplayer dvd://23 and like is the answer...
[02:16] <larson9999> hmmm, i think firefox was the cause of my lockups.
[02:18] <crimsun>  S0#S0/win 22
[02:18] <crimsun> argh.
[02:18] <charims> hi crimsun
[02:19] <charims> crimsun: having problems?
[02:20] <Jucato> this is new. charims asking if crimsun is having problems :-D
[02:20] <skavenge> haha
[02:20] <charims> haha, well, i come in, and he says argh
[02:20] <charims> so, jsut wanted him to know that there is a noob here that he can unload on if he has too
[02:21] <Teller> Is there some kind of collision between the synaptics driver and USB mice that I've missed ?
[02:21] <Jucato> lol
[02:23] <charims> Restarting my comp after superhuge automatix install!
[02:25] <larson9999> the plus side is i kinda like opera :)
[02:28] <Lunar_Raven> I know this isnt the room..but is anyone experienced with vbulletin?
[02:32] <charims> im back now :)
[02:33] <charims> so, if i could get some help now with my sound system? My no-sound issue....
[02:38] <InuDuelist> Gr. I REALLY can't wait for Flash Player 9.
[02:39] <Healot> don't
[02:39] <InuDuelist> It's seriously distracting.
[02:39] <Healot> use MacOSX or Windows today :)
[02:39] <oslo> hi, i'd like to understand my guarddog logs... is there an application for that ?
[02:39] <larson9999> InuDuelist: i'm giving even money odds you'll be waiting for plash player 10 :)
[02:39] <InuDuelist> larson9999: No.
[02:39] <InuDuelist> They're doing constant update reports about it on adobe blogs.
[02:39] <skavenge> 9 is slated for first quarter 07 last i read
[02:40] <InuDuelist> Yeah, I gave you that link.
[02:40] <InuDuelist> I think.
[02:40] <charims> crimsun: ping
[02:40] <Jucato> hi InuDuelist!
[02:40] <larson9999> InuDuelist: don't use sites that don't use tools that support linux.  and write to the sites so they know
[02:40] <InuDuelist> Hi Jucato.
[02:40] <InuDuelist> larson9999: Right.
[02:40] <InuDuelist> I'll just mail people and tell them "Hey, downgrade your product. I want to use it on Linux."
[02:40] <skavenge> i got that from what's his names interview on slashdot afaik
[02:40] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[02:40] <larson9999> InuDuelist: i know.  i just think something will come up and squash it.  i'm expecting the worst.  maybe the best will happen
[02:40] <InuDuelist> I post a couple links here about it.
[02:41] <InuDuelist> I posted*
[02:41] <Jucato> about?
[02:41] <skavenge> whats the head of the team's name? matheson or something like that?
[02:41] <InuDuelist> About Flash Player 9's development.
[02:41] <InuDuelist> I don't know.
[02:41] <InuDuelist> I forget.
[02:41] <skavenge> whatever his name is there was a small interview on slashdot about it
[02:41] <Jucato> aaaah.... the one that they won't show anything until beta?
[02:41] <larson9999> InuDuelist: or make 2 versions
[02:42] <InuDuelist> ...
[02:42] <InuDuelist> What?
[02:42] <InuDuelist> You want me to mail them asking them to make two versions of their flash product.
[02:42] <Jucato> ?
[02:42] <InuDuelist> Tell me, does that sound like a good idea to you?
[02:42] <Jucato> me?
[02:42] <InuDuelist> No.
[02:42] <InuDuelist> Not you.
[02:42] <Jucato> ehehe
[02:44] <larson9999> InuDuelist: 2 versions of their site.  one that uses the new features they want from flash and and one that doesn't?  if they're sympathetic enough to downgrade they might consider that as an option.
[02:44] <InuDuelist> Why does everyone think "flash site" when I say flash?
[02:44] <InuDuelist> It can also refer to Flash games and flash movies.
[02:45] <InuDuelist> And flash-whatevers.
[02:45] <comrad[JL] > freestyle
[02:45] <acdc> what package/repository do I need to get wmv playback?
[02:45] <skavenge> i think flash site to alot of people means videos honestly InuDuelist, im guessing
[02:45] <larson9999> InuDuelist: i think of 'site' mostly because that's the interface most people have to flash.
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> To me flash means annoying (flashing stuff)
[02:46] <InuDuelist> Annoying ads.
[02:46] <InuDuelist> Get Firefox.
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> yep I can't think of anything that I use that benefits from flash
[02:46] <Healot> !w32codecs
[02:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:47] <Jucato> heh.. I'm more annoyed by javascript ads than flash ads...
[02:47] <InuDuelist> Do you ever play any flash games? Ever watch any movies on any site?
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> No
[02:47] <InuDuelist> Speaking of movies, nothing in the Windows Media format ever works online, no matter which codec is used.
[02:47] <InuDuelist> :P
[02:47] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[02:47] <InuDuelist> Well, lots of other people do.
[02:47] <Jucato> heheh
[02:47] <InuDuelist> Man, I feel like that was the 10th time I said that this week.
[02:48] <larson9999> InuDuelist: i watch flash movies from sites.  never do via stand alone players.
[02:48] <InuDuelist> What's that mean?
[02:48] <InuDuelist> You watch them using flash?
[02:49] <InuDuelist> :P
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> InuDuelist: That will be sorted soon (the windows media thing) realplayer will support it
[02:49] <InuDuelist> Hm.
[02:49] <InuDuelist> Realplayer.
[02:49] <Jucato> and since realplayer is easily installable from the commercial channels...
[02:49] <InuDuelist> Great.
[02:49] <InuDuelist> Too bad realplayer is a memory fag.
[02:49] <InuDuelist> hog*
[02:50] <acdc> thanks Healot
[02:50] <Jucato> even in Linux?
[02:50] <larson9999> i don't have too many issues with wmv  but i don't play lots of wmv files either
[02:50] <InuDuelist> No, they both work.
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Just use free formats then you have no problems
[02:50] <InuDuelist> Yes, even in Linux.
[02:50] <Jucato> hm.. didn't notice that here.
[02:50] <Jucato> but I use Kaffeine most of the time, to play .rmvb and .rm files :-D
[02:50] <InuDuelist> h3sp4wn, you're apparently missing out on the fact that millions of people use the computer to use Windows formats.
[02:51] <Jucato> for what reason... I don't understand...
[02:51] <InuDuelist> I'll tell you.
[02:51] <InuDuelist> 1. It's windows.
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> InuDuelist: Then they should use windows
[02:51] <InuDuelist> 2. It's windows.
[02:51] <Jucato> ah yes....
[02:51] <InuDuelist> h3sp4wn, so you're rendering Linux useless, now?
[02:51] <InuDuelist> To those millions of people?
[02:51] <Jucato> my cousins in the U.S. send us WMV always... just because Movie Maker is installed on Windows...
[02:52] <Healot> it's always handy to keep a copy of running Windows XP -
[02:52] <InuDuelist> I don't see that just because Linux is free that us Linux users should lose out.
[02:52] <InuDuelist> Seriously.
[02:52] <InuDuelist> Years without a new flash player.
[02:52] <InuDuelist> Years without WMP support.
[02:52] <Healot> you don't have to use it religiously, but serious, it is handy
[02:52] <InuDuelist> Er.
[02:52] <InuDuelist> WMV*
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> I consider wmv a blight.
[02:53] <skavenge> well you've either got to make it non propietary or reverse engineer it, takes time
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> or just stop using wmv and flash and boycott sites taht use it. :P
[02:54] <Jucato> I consider it a PITA.... but I can't complain and tell my cousins "you better send your next baby videos in a different format, or else"
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> sure you can.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[02:55] <Jucato> beggars can't be choosers
[02:55] <Jucato> besides they're not doing it for me, so I really can't complain
[02:56] <larson9999> i just show my family free versions whenever i can.  they are suprisingly willing to use OSS.
[02:56] <skavenge> ive found a way to adapt and not have to use it personally
[02:56] <larson9999> i've only convinced a few to switch to linux but many are now OSS hags in the windows world.
[02:57] <Healot> larson9999: you are receiving a lot complaints lately?
[02:57] <larson9999> Healot: from my family?  no.
[02:57] <Healot> i don't think Linux developers informed new users well... that's one problem
[02:57] <larson9999> Healot: why do you ask?
[02:57] <Healot> users just want things to work automagically
[02:57] <Healot> and Linux distroes, if not all, won't do that atm...
[02:58] <Jucato> it's because that's what they were used to... largely Microsoft's fault
[02:58] <oslo> hi, i'd like to understand my guarddog logs... is there an application for that ?
[02:58] <Jucato> remember the days when things didn't all automagically worked?
[02:58] <skavenge> thats quite a generalization, i have no problem with working on something to make it run correctly .. maybe thats what the average windows user would like, sure
[02:58] <Healot> they don;t  remember that, Jucato :)
[02:59] <Jucato> yeah, because Microsoft (and party Apple) baby-fed them and turned them into mindless zombies
[02:59] <skavenge> the day linux turns into a spitting image of windows i'll be moving on to something else
[02:59] <larson9999> Healot: no, but it's really not so bad.  what i do to non techie family who wants to switch is take a saturday and go over to their house with installation media in hand and let them install while i serve as superviser.  hasn't been as bad as folks seem to think
[02:59] <Healot> Jucato: you gotta really see whar average users see...
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: Me 2 (and I think its getting closer) plan9 ftw
[03:00] <Jucato> Healot: I do. I have my sister as my test subject
[03:00] <Jucato> I'm just saying that a few years back, people didn't really expect things to work automagically
[03:00] <skavenge> when 'everything works' and everything is done for you, you sacrifice in configurability imo
[03:00] <Healot> they want things as easy for as possible... since, imho, i don't see any linux distroes that does that atm... if not all...
[03:00] <Healot> Jucato: think now, history learned
[03:00] <Xcalibur> ok, can somone link me to the site where they are making flash player 8 for linux, thats not developed by adobe?
[03:00] <larson9999> my aunt switched and it wasn't too long ago when she'd call me to tell me she lost a window in XP and can't get it back  :)
[03:00] <Xcalibur> !mplayer
[03:00] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[03:00] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Xcalibur: Gnash is attempting it, although from what I've heard it's got a ways to go.
[03:01] <Xcalibur> ok
[03:01] <Agios> Xcalibur: http://process-of-elimination.net/wiki/GNU_Gnash_Screenshots_and_Review
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: And you end up with bloat and your system working poorly
[03:01] <Jucato> Healot: history learned, history forgotten.
[03:01] <acdc> I want to create configuration for my keyboard model, however I don't understand the codes symbols/inet file uses. Is there a manual/tutorial on that somewhere?
[03:02] <Healot> that's the whole point, average computer users that want things to work, eof :)
[03:02] <skavenge> h3sp4wn: exactly, and an advanced user then spends all thier time trying to remove what was put there
[03:02] <skavenge> ubuntu unstalls waay to many apps in my opinion
[03:02] <larson9999> skavenge: well, you can configure tons in windows if you want.  but you have a point.  many windows users have hw they can't install properly if they ever reformat and start over from a regular xp installation disk.
[03:02] <skavenge> *installs
[03:02] <crimsun> skavenge: an advanced user is free to roll his/her own derivative
[03:02] <skavenge> crimsun: very true
[03:02] <Jucato> Healot: things work in Linux, but not as automagically or instantly like Windows. there's a difference... but you're right. EOF
[03:02] <crimsun> (heck, it's not limited to advanced users)
[03:03] <skavenge> thats what kind of dissapoints me i love ubuntu but i dont think its 'ultimate vision' is really what im looking for in a linux distro
[03:03] <Jucato> skavenge: if you're knowledgeable enough, you could do a minimial/net installl then just install x-window-system-core and kde-core and start from that.
[03:04] <larson9999> skavenge: you don't have to install all that if you don't want.
[03:04] <Healot> skavenge: you'll never find that. but you can work out proficieny with certain distro though
[03:04] <skavenge> Jucato: you just described my last install ;)
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> Ive had hardware thats supposed to work in windows.. that never seems to work right.. then ya are just stuck trying to figure out some way to make it work like it says it should. :(
[03:04] <Healot> you make the distro perfect fo you
[03:04] <crimsun> skavenge: there isn't one that is, only approximations.
[03:04] <crimsun> Healot: +1
[03:04] <Jucato> I described my previous install
[03:05] <skavenge> i mean there's valid points on both sides, in the end in comes down to each specific user really
[03:05] <larson9999> man, freespire made cnr free?  i'm gonna have to give it a try i guess
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Linux is to handy to not know about and learn and use >:)
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> larson9999,  Linspire free version is called Freespire. and just week CNR became free. :P
[03:05] <Jucato> skavenge: you have to understand, though, that the defaults are there to make sure it works on a lot of different hardware combinations. that's why there are a lot...
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> larson9999,  and from what little i  used it a week ago.. its..  got some issues. :)
[03:05] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: yeah, that's what i said.
[03:06] <Jucato> hehe... Free CNR...
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Isn't Adept practically CNR? ;)
[03:06] <skavenge> Jucato: from that standpoint its more of a driver issue and kernel support vs programs though
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> freespire is nto the name of the company. :P "linspire' is.
[03:06] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: oh, i don't know that i'd use it myself.  but i will give it a try since it's supposed to be easy for newbies and the codecs are licensed.  at least that's what i read
[03:07] <TurboMaxi> I have one simple question (I'm a complete newbie). I started kubuntu from CD and tried to change resolution which required restarting xserver and afterwards I was asked for username and password. So my question is: what is the default pass?
[03:07] <larson9999> easy for newbies is the topic, right? :)
[03:07] <Jucato> skavenge: well you have to count programs for Bluetooth, Remote servers, etc.
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> larson9999,  yea. it does SOME of the codecs . and it did set up the ati drivers for me.
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> larson9999,  but it does some other things very weirdly.
[03:07] <skavenge> Jucato: yeah, nic/ wireless apps too .. i see your point
[03:08] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: it isn't the distro that supports running as root is it?
[03:08] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: no, i think that's was a slack derivative(sp) i read about that said that.
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> larson9999,  i think they fixed that oddity.
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> it was linspire at one time
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> They use 'sudo' now - but ya dont even have to enter the root password or any other password. which is weird
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> Not sure how they handle multi users.
[03:09] <skavenge> thats odd
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> i just noticed a few oddities about it as well.
[03:09] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: well, i read an interview of the 'main' guy for that distro and he said there was nothing wrong with that.
[03:10] <charims> how to kill the sound system?
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dr_Willis: Even the first time? That seems quite stupid.
[03:10] <skavenge> everyone in the group is just assumed to be okay i guess
[03:10] <Xcalibur> !poop
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> like the kdm/gdm/whatever it uses...  that it just reads .xinitrc. so if you install a dozen window managers.. it never adds them to the menus for the Gdm login
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> and the grub configs - some how use a set of includes.. that i couldent figure out exactly
[03:10] <Xcalibur> !being staright
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being staright - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <Xcalibur> lol
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> then ya got the 'lets make directories called My Documents, and My Music, My Porn, and so on. :)
[03:10] <Xcalibur> srry
[03:11] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: that's in linspire only?
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> .xinitrc is great
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  freespire is the nonsupported version of Linspire.
[03:11] <Xcalibur> 
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> i think the only diff is a few included apps.
[03:11] <Xcalibur> 
[03:11] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: I mean about GDM/KDM not adding newly installed window managers?
[03:11] <Xcalibur> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> then theres the totally open-freespire 'option' which is a little odd as well. :P
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  ive only used freespire. Im not even sure what *dm its using.
[03:12] <Xcalibur> ____________________________________________________________________________________<Dr_Willis>yo mama
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  i dont see why they had to mess with the works very well kdm.
[03:12] <Jucato> ehehe probably KDM, since it's using KDE
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  they must of really screwed with it then. :P
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> lets just say that freespire lasted all of a week on my pc.
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Longer than Vector lasted on mine. :P
[03:13] <charims> how to kill the sound system?
[03:15] <Agios> charims: unplug the speakers
[03:15] <charims> killall -9 artsd won't work, im trying to remove my ac9c_codec from modproebe
[03:15] <charims> oops ac97_codec
[03:16] <charims> Agios: uh, not that kind of kill, they arn't making sound anyways
[03:16] <Agios> lol
[03:16] <crimsun> that's oss/free, not alsa
[03:16] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:16] <crimsun> is that intentional?
[03:17] <charims> idk
[03:17] <charims> haha
[03:17] <crimsun> ac97_codec,i810_audio
[03:17] <crimsun> are oss/free
[03:17] <charims> oh, really, ok
[03:17] <crimsun> snd-ac97-codec and snd-intel8x0 are alsa
[03:17] <charims> i meant snd
[03:17] <crimsun> modprobe -r snd-intel8x0, then
[03:18] <Agios> you may have to logout to rmmod the modules
[03:18] <crimsun> (please use modprobe -r  and not rmmod directly)
[03:18] <Jucato> charims and crimsun have already developed a beautiful friendship :-D
[03:19] <charims> haha
[03:19] <charims> crimsun: i'm not efen sure that doing it will work
[03:19] <charims> crimsun: i jsut want sound, i'm back to jsut gaim sounds again
[03:20] <Kutan[lolmovie] > Hey uhhh what plugins do I need to install for kaffiene to watch an avi?
[03:20] <Jucato> Kutan[lolmovie] : libxine-extracodecs
[03:20] <Kutan[lolmovie] > Ah, thanks.
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> depends on the avi codecs also
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> Kutan[lolmovie] : w32codecs as well
[03:20] <crimsun> charims: what backend is gaim using?
[03:21] <charims> crimsun: umm, no idea, i don't even have gaim installed this time, i'm using a command, this one
[03:21] <charims> crimsun: cat /usr/share/sounds/* > /dev/dsp
[03:22] <charims> crimsun: and it plays one of the only sounds i can hear from my speakers
[03:22] <crimsun> charims: which driver are you using?
[03:22] <diuneimama> hi everyone. i need how about installation of kubuntu
[03:22] <charims> crimsun: snd-ac97-codec
[03:23] <diuneimama> hi everyone. i need help about installation of kubuntu
[03:23] <charims> dont spam thecahn please
[03:23] <crimsun> charims: um, no. Which _driver_?  cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:23] <diuneimama> i didnt spam dude
[03:23] <crimsun> that's spam.
[03:24] <diuneimama> i just recorrect my sentense
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> diuneimama: Uh, boot the Live CD and click on the install icon?
[03:24] <diuneimama> thats not
[03:24] <charims> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0
[03:24] <diuneimama> CheeseBurgerMan, im in step 5of6
[03:24] <diuneimama> which option do i choose?
[03:24] <crimsun> charims: so you should be using multiple instances of aplay, not cat foo > /dev/dsp, which blocks.
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> What options are there?
[03:25] <charims> crimsun; what should i try
[03:25] <diuneimama> resize the partition and used freed space to install
[03:25] <diuneimama> delete partition
[03:25] <diuneimama> manual
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> diuneimama: OK, do you have a Windows installation that you want to keep?
[03:26] <diuneimama> yup
[03:26] <paul___> if you don't need any of the data on your hard drive, you should erase entire disk
[03:26] <paul___> oh
[03:26] <crimsun> charims: aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> diuneimama: If you haven't already made partitions (if you don't know, you haven't), then you should resize the partition.
[03:27] <diuneimama> i have made one with partition magic
[03:27] <charims> crimsun; i heard something like a heartbeat, and then nothing else, though it said it was still playing
[03:27] <ubuntu> Oi pessoal!
[03:27] <diuneimama> so which option do i choose cheeseburgerman
[03:27] <crimsun> charims: and what output from ``dmesg|tail''?
[03:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> diuneimama: If you haven't already made partitions (if you don't know, you haven't), then you should resize the partition and use the frees pace to install.
[03:27] <ubuntu> E a?
[03:28] <diuneimama> cheeseburgerman i have made one with partition magic.
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> CheeseBurgerMan: Oh, sorry. I didn't see that. Use manual.
[03:28] <kevyn> HELLO
[03:28] <charims> crimsun: only stuff about bluetooth and agppart
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, diuneimama.
[03:28] <charims> crimsun: oops, agpgart
[03:28] <kevyn> CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME TO INSTALL MESSENGER
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> kevyn: What messenger?
[03:29] <kevyn> msn
[03:29] <crimsun> charims: I think if 1.0.13rc1 doesn't resolve the issue, then you have a hardware issue that Windows is able to workaround.
[03:29] <skavenge> use kopete
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> kevyn: Kopete is preinstalled, and can use the MSN protocol.
[03:29] <paul___> you can use kopte to talk on the msn network
[03:29] <kevyn> yes but it sucks
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> kevyn: You can also try Gaim.
[03:30] <crimsun> charims: you need to install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:30] <crimsun> charims: then grab ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.13rc1.tar.bz2
[03:30] <oslo> kevyn > aMSN works better 4 me ...
[03:30] <kevyn> k
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> diuneimama: Use the manual options.
[03:31] <TurboMaxi> If I install kubuntu and want to keep curent windows installation, kubuntu places it's boot loader "in front" of windows one?
[03:31] <kevyn> and i cant use dual screen
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> TurboMaxi: That sounds like a valid description. :)
[03:32] <kevyn> it seems that my driver dont work
[03:32] <TurboMaxi> so how to "uninstall" kubuntu afterwards, does it remove his bootloader or I have to use fxmbr in windows?
[03:32] <TurboMaxi> *fixmbr
[03:33] <kevyn> my graphic card is a ati radeon 9550
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> TurboMaxi: I've always used fixmbr + format Kubuntu partition.
[03:33] <kevyn> help
[03:34] <TurboMaxi> ok, 10x CheeseBurgerMan
[03:34] <NDPowerBook> Hey All
[03:34] <NDPowerBook> How do I get Flash working on Kubuntu?
[03:34] <crimsun> install flashplugin-nonfree.
[03:35] <charims> crimsun: which version of linux-headers-$(uname -r) do i need, there are a bunch :(
[03:35] <crimsun> charims: you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) verbatim.
[03:35] <crimsun> (that's why I used that syntax)
[03:35] <NDPowerBook> crimsun: Its not showing up in Adept Manager
[03:35] <crimsun> NDPowerBook: it's in multiverse.
[03:35] <kevyn> can i install bearshare????
[03:36] <skavenge> why bother installing linux if all your going to use are windows programs? sheesh
[03:36] <crimsun> (s)he has the freedom to do so if (s)he wishes
[03:37] <NDPowerBook> crimsun: I'm still pretty new to Kubuntu. Is multiverse a program and if so where is it?
[03:37] <kevyn> is there existing a linux prog for this
[03:37] <skavenge> it would be a wine issue regardless
[03:37] <crimsun> !restricted > NDPowerBook
[03:38] <kevyn> is there existing a sharing prog for linux
[03:38] <kevyn> i cant find 1
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> kevyn: http://www.gnutelliums.com/
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> kevyn: Look at the Linux ones.
[03:39] <kevyn> merci
[03:39] <Jucato> frostwire? limewire? KTorent?
[03:39] <kevyn> limewire is good
[03:39] <kevyn> we gonna try
[03:40] <paul___> NDPowerBook: multiverse is a repositoriy. you need to go into adept package manager, then manage repositories and add it
[03:41] <charims> crimsun; how do i install the alsa driver link you sent me, i already downloaded it, unarchive it, then what?
[03:42] <kevyn> and how i install now
[03:42] <kevyn> it doesnt work
[03:42] <Jucato> !limewire
[03:42] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[03:43] <Jucato> !frostwire
[03:43] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[03:43] <crimsun> ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[03:44] <pierreth> hello, i have no more mac os x, i am on kubuntu
[03:44] <crimsun> make && make install
[03:44] <crimsun> ^^ charims
[03:44] <charims> crimsun: kk
[03:44] <crimsun> charims: you may want to add --with-cards=intel8x0 to the configure line
[03:46] <crimsun> I'm away for a couple hours.
[03:46] <Jucato> why are some programs not shown in Add/Remove Programs, even if I checked the options to display universe and multiverse?
[03:47] <arthomps> jucato, depends on what sources you have in apt.
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Maybe you havn't refreshed it?
[03:47] <Jucato> I can see KDissert in Adept, but not in Adept Installer
[03:50] <NDPowerBook> After adding the multiverse to the repositories now my Adept is broken and I can't get it to load anymore
[03:56] <charims> why can't i run the make command? sudo make .....
[03:56] <charims> it says command not found
[03:57] <Jucato> charims: you need to install "build-essential"
[03:57] <charims> kk
[03:57] <charims> ty
[03:58] <paul___> NDPowerBook: what happens when you type "sudo apt-get update" into the konsole?
[04:00] <ironfroggy> so ive been looking more into the whole remote X over ssh thing and i think i got it backwards. can someone tell me if that is so?
[04:00] <NDPowerBook> paul___: I get "E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[04:00] <NDPowerBook> "
[04:01] <dismal_> so guys
[04:01] <dismal_> trying to compile yakuake
[04:01] <dismal_> but its giving me a hassle over the X path
[04:01] <dismal_> what should i point it to?
[04:02] <dismal_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:02] <ironfroggy> i thought i could connect from machine A to machine B with ssh to run an app on A with its window on B.
[04:02] <ironfroggy> but i have to have the ssh server on A and the X server on B, right? i cant have both ssh and X servers on B and neither on A?
[04:03] <paul___> NDPowerBook: in manage repositories in the adept package manager, you have a line that looks like: deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse, right?
[04:03] <NDPowerBook> paul___: This much I entered I know: deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[04:04] <NDPowerBook> Thats all I entered
[04:04] <NDPowerBook> And right now I can't check cause I can't get back into it
[04:04] <paul___> oh, ok
[04:04] <paul___> you have to edit it manually then
[04:04] <paul___> through a text editor
[04:04] <NDPowerBook> How? I've tried getting to it with pico with no luck
[04:06] <Jucato> NDPowerBook: Alt+F2
[04:06] <paul___> ok try pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <Jucato> err.. sorry
[04:06] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:06] <paul___> yea use kate
[04:07] <NDPowerBook> Wait I just got in with pico
[04:07] <paul___> if you know how to use pico thats ok
[04:07] <Jucato> paul___: doesn't he need to launch pico with admin privileges?
[04:07] <paul___> yea jucato is probably right
[04:07] <NDPowerBook> so I'm guessing my main error was leaving out the words after the source URL?
[04:07] <Jucato> NDPowerBook: yes
[04:07] <paul___> do sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:07] <paul___> or kate
[04:08] <NDPowerBook> When I do sudo it takes me to a blank page
[04:08] <Jucato> a full repository line goes something like: deb <URL> <distro/release> <component> translating as something like "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe"
[04:08] <paul___> thats strange
[04:08] <Jucato> is pico a command line program?
[04:08] <paul___> yes
[04:08] <NDPowerBook> Yeah
[04:08] <NDPowerBook> Its a pretty old editor
[04:09] <Jucato> sudo pico '/etc/apt/sources.list' doesn't work?
[04:09] <NDPowerBook> I'll try kate then
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> use nano
[04:10] <NDPowerBook> nano gave me the same result as pico
[04:10] <NDPowerBook> Kate gave me some errors then opened the file
[04:10] <Jucato> the Kate errors are normal...
[04:10] <paul___> ok your in business
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> I never notice any if I use kdesu
[04:10] <paul___> you need to add this line now, deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[04:11] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: from the command line?
[04:11] <digivore> !transparency
[04:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:11] <NDPowerBook> From the page someone else sent me to its dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[04:11] <NDPowerBook> So is the restricted part needed or not?
[04:11] <Jucato> NDPowerBook: you probably already have the main and restricted parts in a separate line
[04:11] <paul___> i have that one too actually
[04:12] <NDPTAL85> This is where I got the sources from: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: I use it from the e17 control escape so no (but I do use vim anyway 99.5% of the time)
[04:13] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: ah. the errors appear when you run kdesu from the command line. something to do with xorg.conf having entries for wacoms
[04:13] <NDPowerBook> So do I save the file in kate and close kate?
[04:13] <paul___> yea
[04:13] <Jucato> yep
[04:13] <digivore> Is there a 'true' transparency for windows like Konsole?
[04:14] <Jucato> digivore: if by "true" transparency you mean seeing the windows beneath, then no.
[04:14] <Hawkwind> True transparency consists of xcompmgr and/or compiz and XGL
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: Oh I got rid of those anyway (when I was adding composite to my xorg.conf)
[04:14] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: then no wonder you don't have those errors :-D
[04:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yes you can, with xcompmgr assuming you use transset
[04:14] <Jucato> Hawkwind: or kompmgr?
[04:15] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Probably
[04:15] <Jucato> but that makes the whole window transparent, not just the command line part, right?
[04:15] <digivore> can i kompmgr?
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: What is the best way to have transparancy in e17 ?
[04:15] <NDPowerBook> That still didn't work either with or without the word "restricted"
[04:15] <NDPowerBook> So I removed the two lines completely and I have Adept working again
[04:16] <Jucato> argh! I wouldn't recommend it.. I just tried out kompmgr (KWin's built in composite manager) a few days ago...
[04:16] <z22> hi all
[04:16] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Ummm, I'd assume compiz and XGL, but I don't do that type of transparency. I only do it for certain apps
[04:16] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Or look into the bling module
[04:16] <Jucato> NDPowerBook: it's "multiverse" that you are looking for right?
[04:16] <NDPowerBook> Jucato: Yes so I can install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:18] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I don't do that either - I have used bling but I am not really too bothered for it - I use the drop shadows module
[04:18] <Jucato> NDPowerBook: then make sure that "multiverse" is on that line that paul___ mentioned
[04:18] <digivore> is there a webpage list of all kinds of repository sources?
[04:18] <Hawkwind> !repos
[04:18] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:18] <Jucato> digivore: the official Ubuntu ones are all in sources.list by default
[04:18] <Jucato> except for "multiverse", which you just have to add
[04:18] <nickv111> Hello. Does anyone here have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386?
[04:19] <digivore> where can i find more multiverse ones?
[04:19] <nickv111> Erm, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-386
[04:19] <nickv111> I have 2.6.15-26, but it doesn't have the madwifi driver I need
[04:19] <Jucato> there aren't "more" multiverse ones. you just add the word "multiverse" to the repository (one line only, iirc) to get access to the multiverse components
[04:20] <diuneimama> need help in preparing mount points
[04:20] <digivore> jucato:  off  cooll i'll try that
[04:20] <Jucato> !multiverse
[04:20] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:20] <h3sp4wn> nickv111: dapper-security main restricted
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> Nice.
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> Got it working now
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> The website tripped me up
[04:21] <paul___> good job
[04:21] <digivore> is it true that automatix overwrites source.list?    does it remove any?
[04:21] <diuneimama> anyone can help me step 5 of6 in prepariong mount point?
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> Had to take out the "restricted" word
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> nickv111: (its only main by default)
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> Thanks everyone.
[04:21] <nickv111> Okay, thanks
[04:21] <paul___> no worries
[04:22] <diuneimama> anyone can help me step 5 of 6 in preparing mount point?
[04:22] <nickv111> h3sp4wn: That seems to have worked.
[04:22] <nickv111> h3sp4wn: Thank you.
[04:23] <diuneimama> anyone can help me step 5 of 6 in preparing mount point??
[04:24] <nickv111> diuneimama: It's best to explain the problem a little better.
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> hrm, anyone know why amarok visualizations might be greyed out on the menu?
[04:24] <nickv111> diuneimama: What problem are you having?
[04:25] <diuneimama> nickv111 i m having a problem in preparing mount point
[04:25] <nickv111> diuneimama: What problem?
[04:25] <diuneimama> there are 3 bars and 3 box
[04:25] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: what version of Amarok are you using?
[04:25] <diuneimama> its say no root system
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: 1.4.1
[04:25] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: fixed in 1.4.2 AFAIK
[04:26] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.2.php
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: thanks, I'll update.
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: thanks again.
[04:26] <NDPowerBook> Nice.
[04:26] <NDPowerBook> Got it working. Flash that is.
[04:26] <NDPowerBook> I'm watching YouTube videos as we speak.
[04:27] <Jucato> good for you NDPowerBook! :-D
[04:27] <nickv111> To get ATi acceleration working, you just need to install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[04:27] <Jucato> !ati
[04:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:27] <nickv111> I tried that, but it wouldn't load
[04:27] <nickv111> Let me try again.
[04:29] <nickv111> Time for a reboot
[04:29] <Jucato> er...
[04:30] <Jucato> he didn't really reboot, did he?
[04:30] <oslo> donnu
[04:30] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: yep, 1.4.2 fixed visualizations, along with needing libvisual-0.4.0
[04:32] <Jucato> yay for you! :-D
[04:34] <Section32> Dammit
[04:34] <Section32> Someone already has my nick! (Section31)
[04:34] <Section32> Must be another Star Trek fan.
[04:34] <Jucato> hehehe....
[04:34] <Section32> Anyways its me NDP on my Kubuntu Book. ;-)
[04:35] <Jucato> I wouldn't be surprised if 7-of-9 (or it's equivalent) would already be taken...
[04:35] <Section32> Probably so
[04:36] <Section32> I just picked this nick cause I figured it was a pretty obscure Trek reference
[04:36] <Section32> Not many people would get it
[04:36] <oslo> in fact just the 2 of us maybe :p
[04:36] <Section32> Hahah
[04:36] <Jucato> hmm...
[04:37] <oslo> of yours sorry , i'm losing my english
[04:37] <Jucato> TheEmissary would be a nice nick too....
[04:37] <Section32> http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Section_31
[04:37] <Section32> Jucato: Good idea.
[04:37] <Jucato> hahah
[04:40] <Section32> So now I'm trying to get Quicktime to work
[04:40] <Section32> I've installed the quicktime stuff that showed up in Adept but I can't get any movies on a site to actually play
[04:40] <Jucato> you need w32codecs
[04:40] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[04:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:41] <Jucato> It's just a simple download, then right-click, Kubuntu Package Menu > Install Package
[04:43] <revrogue> mornin everyone :)
[04:43] <Jucato> mornin!
[04:43] <Jucato> bye!!
[04:45] <Section32> Thanks
[04:45] <Section32> Oh he left
[04:48] <richard> Anyone running Edgy'Knot' 2?
[04:49] <Hawkwind> richard: I have it installed in vmware
[04:49] <richard> I'm downloading it now. . . what you think? Many bugs?
[04:50] <Hawkwind> richard: Seems to run pretty decent.  Though it's in vmware so I don't know how it would be on my real box.  The new color scheme is beautiful though :)
[04:51] <richard> I like playing with the new beta/or alpha versions as they come out. I'm a Mepis fan but since Kubuntu has got alot of the interface fixed with my wireless card I really like it muxh more because it is cutting edge.
[04:52] <revrogue> excuse me but may I ask if anyone has any experience with fixing a driver problem in Dapper?
[04:52] <richard> What kind of driver problem do you have?
[04:53] <richard> A good driver should keep both hands on the wheel at all times.
[04:53] <Kutan> That was really corny.
[04:53] <revrogue> its a wifi prob, I have a 64b laptop and orginally the card showed up but wouldnt initilize ut know after messing with trying to install ndiswraper it doestn even show the device present
[04:53] <richard> I know. ...
[04:54] <richard> What kind of wifi card is it?
[04:54] <revrogue> internal
[04:54] <revrogue> broadcom,
[04:54] <revrogue> i checked list and it is supported
[04:54] <richard> no, who is the manufacturer and what is the chipset?
[04:55] <revrogue> lol sec leme check
[04:55] <actinic> anyone here use Opera for newsfeeds?
[04:55] <revrogue> forgive my n00bness
[04:55] <Silence_> Question : How to open files in my 1st partition?
[04:56] <richard> broadcom? hmmmmmmm......don't know if I'd be much help. Ndiswrapper never worked for me, maybe it was something I was doing wrong.
[04:56] <revrogue> broadcom BCM4318 airforce ONE 54g
[04:57] <richard> If your card is supported then it should work. . ...I'd think. ...nice thing about my card it is recognized without any initialization or setup by me.
[04:57] <revrogue> I have searched every nook and cranny of the internet and ive come back to good ole reliable helpfull IRC
[04:57] <Silence_> Question : How to open files in my 1st partition? I cant access in my 1st partition?
[04:58] <revrogue> well how about this, if I open up network settings under system settings the wireless card is no longer listed
[04:59] <richard> You running 6.06.1 LTS ?
[04:59] <revrogue> just 6.06
[05:00] <richard> Can you download the update?
[05:00] <revrogue> that was another question, I have downloaded and burnt the 6.06.1 disc...but
[05:00] <revrogue> I was curious if there was an auto update in linux like xp uses
[05:01] <richard> but ......what? It doesn't work?
[05:01] <revrogue> if not I havent any reservations about formatting and reinstalling
[05:01] <richard> You should be able to run the 'live CD' version to see if everything will work.
[05:02] <revrogue> I ran the live cd of the update and still no wireless
[05:02] <revrogue> actually it was like when I originally installed linux,
[05:02] <revrogue> the card will be listed but it wont init.
[05:03] <sophie_> revrogue: what card r u running
[05:03] <richard> Hmmmmmmm.......Kubuntu has had it's bugs. . . . wifi was my pet peeve for the longest time. . . . Mepis is a better distro because it has never failed to work properly when installed. Even the Wifi network section. . . .
[05:04] <revrogue> Broadcom 4318
[05:04] <revrogue> before I installed kubuntu I was playing with a version of knoppix and it ran beautifully wifi and all
[05:05] <revrogue> just no 64bit procc
[05:06] <sophie_> revrogue: did you install linux-restricted-modules
[05:06] <revrogue> ....
[05:06] <revrogue> linux restricted modules... forgive me , I am beyond newb for linux
[05:07] <richard> That's probably what you need to install is the linux restricted modules for the kernel. .. .
[05:07] <revrogue> how would I achieve this?
[05:07] <revrogue> or rather where would I find these
[05:07] <sophie_> revrogue: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-xxx where xxx is the kernel version you are using
[05:08] <richard> Get into synaptic and look up the Kernel and you will find all of the Kernels etc for different processors etc.
[05:08] <sophie_> sorry just go that path I have to go in a hurry
[05:09] <richard> Use apt-get,or synaptic, or adept or aptitude (anyone of these programs will help you find the kernel and kernel restricted modules. . ..
[05:10] <revrogue> alright i understand i have to be in the konsole for that to work however, how is it that I use these commands to find the restricted modules?
[05:11] <Silence_> Question : How to open files in my 1st partition? I cant access in my 1st partition?
[05:12] <revrogue> hehe, sec i think i figured out  :)
[05:12] <richard> personally, I wouldn't use the konsole and apt-get to find the modules. . . .I prefer using synaptic or adept. These programs will give you a graphical screen showing you all of the files listed the the kubuntu repositories. . . .no need to guess on what to type in apt-get in konsole. . ..
[05:13] <revrogue> good news, i found the modules and adept says they are all installed
[05:14] <richard> well back to the original problem. ...
[05:16] <revrogue> yep, back to the drawing board
[05:17] <ironfroggy> is it unreasonable to spend 50+ a month on energy drinks for coding sessions?
[05:17] <revrogue> very odd thing is after i had been messig around with niswrapper, i rebooted and in the main menu there is now a folder called settings and inside is program called windows wireless drivers
[05:18] <richard> so you say your laptop can't initialize the wifi card within it using kubuntu? And you can't get ndiswrapper to work. . . ? I've played with ndiswrapper and it never would work for me.
[05:18] <revrogue> i clicked on it and no it doesnt work though
[05:18] <revrogue> yep that is the base of the entire problem
[05:19] <richard> My understanding is that with ndiswarpper you are supposed to direct it to your *.exe file that your wifi card uses and it then is going to
[05:19] <revrogue> i promise if i could get that one little problem to be fixed I would wipe windows completely off the other partition and use linux only
[05:20] <richard> make a file or something that linux may or maynot be able to use to help it initialize your card in linux. . . .
[05:20] <revrogue> something like that, I was led to blieve that it wrote a linux driver for u using the win driver as a model
[05:21] <richard> yes that is correct. . . . .it wouldn't work for me. . . but on the other hand my cards are old and use the 'ath0' atheros chipset which has become one of the universal drivers commonly found.
[05:21] <revrogue> yes, i started there because of a suggestion in the kubuntu forums
[05:21] <revrogue> hhhmmm....
[05:21] <richard> Have you tried Mepis?
[05:22] <richard> It might work better than you think. . . .Kubuntu has been problematic at times in the past. . ..as I stated earlier Mepis worked the first time I ever installed the OS.
[05:23] <richard> Even on my laptop. . ..
[05:23] <revrogue> Mepis?
[05:23] <revrogue> never heard of it
[05:23] <revrogue> as I had said preiviously, I played with knoppix and it ran great, just wasnt 64bit
[05:23] <richard> Mepis Linux you'll find it at http://www.distrowatch.com   (this is where all of the Linux OS's are listed. . . .every make, flavor , kind etc.
[05:24] <richard> Your laptop is 64bit?
[05:24] <revrogue> k sec checking it out
[05:24] <Xaero_Vincent> that new vilot Kubuntu theme looks like crap.. lol
[05:25] <Xaero_Vincent> violet
[05:26] <revrogue> yes 64
[05:26] <richard> You went to distrowatch.com?
[05:26] <revrogue> thats why I went with kubuntu 64, i hated vista
[05:27] <digivore> !samba
[05:27] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:27] <richard> I don't blame you. ...I hate Windows also though some software is slow to mature with linux. . ..
[05:28] <richard> Kubuntu 64 works pretty good though it has some bugs. .. .I've got it on my 64-bit machine along with Ubuntu on it's other hdrive.
[05:29] <revrogue> only bug I have encounterd so far is this wifi prob, othere then that I <3 kubuntu 64
[05:29] <digivore> i want to access my shared files on my windows box over my LAN.   how?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> digivore: Samba
[05:29] <PyroMithrandir> hey guys, I was trying to get my new wireless card (linksys wmp54G) to work, and it was going well... I was it the point where it said it was enabling it, and it started to hang, then I had to leave my comp and shut it down for a bit, so I forced kcontrol to quit so I could log out. anyway, now I can't fully boot... it'll hang when it gets to "starting named"
[05:29] <revrogue> lol, only reason i keep a win machine around is because i cant stop playing EverCrack2
[05:29] <D4rkly> how do i add rar support ?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Install rar of course
[05:30] <Hawkwind> !info rar
[05:30] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.30-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 236 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:30] <richard> Good luck with you wifi problem . . ..go to go . . ...
[05:30] <revrogue> lol same here
[05:30] <digivore> Hawkwind: do i need to setup anything on the windows end?
[05:30] <soulrider> hi everyone!
[05:30] <Hawkwind> digivore: Probably.  I don't use and haven't used Windows in years so I have no idea how to help you.  Samba.org for details
[05:31] <Hawkwind> Hey there soulrider
[05:31] <soulrider> hey Hawkwind you feeling better?
[05:31] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Yeah, thanks for asking.  Pretty much back to normal
[05:32] <soulrider> good :)
[05:32] <Ash-Fox> That's good.
[05:33] <larson9999> Linux Rocks!
[05:37] <[-KaSatKa-] > Does anyone know any good free video editing software?
[05:38] <SpAwN> [-KaSatKa-] ,yes there are a few
[05:38] <[-KaSatKa-] > SpAwN: What do you recommend?
[05:38] <SpAwN> [-KaSatKa-] , cinelerra and kino are the ones ive had best luck with
[05:39] <SpAwN> [-KaSatKa-] , but there are several others
[05:39] <[-KaSatKa-] > SpAwN: I'll check those out, thanks
[05:39] <SpAwN> [-KaSatKa-] , np....there is a repo set up for dapper with the newest cinelerra
[05:41] <Linux_Galore> Im really starting to like the KDE IRC app called Konversation
[05:41] <Linux_Galore> simple clean and uses hardly any ram
[05:42] <Linux_Galore> also ver 1.0 was just released
[05:46] <gnoshi> greetings - how does one downgrade to amarok 1.4.1 from 1.4.2 in dapper?
[05:46] <NamShub> whats wrong with 1.4.2?
[05:47] <gnoshi> two things: 1. it doesn't work with the std version of xine
[05:47] <gnoshi> (though I grabbed the patched version and so it started working)
[05:47] <gnoshi> 2. it will not index my collection - it skips out of the indexing after 2 errors (which is fixed, in a patch)
[05:48] <gnoshi> but not only that, it produces errors of different files every time I run it, which with a collection of many files means that it will almost certainly hit 20 errors.
[05:48] <NamShub> ok thats weird
[05:48] <gnoshi> (especially given that the files it is causing errors on do not have errors)
[05:49] <gnoshi> yeah - I thought it might be taglib, so I rebuilt taglib and it still showed the problem. I wonder if it is because my files are mounted by SMB
[05:49] <gnoshi> but the previous version of amarok had no problems at all with the collection.
[05:49] <larson9999> the fatter i get the hungrier i am
[05:50] <NamShub> im not sure whats the exact way of downgrading but I know using the exact package name with dpkg will work
[05:51] <gnoshi> unfortunately, I don't actually know the full package name of the previous pacage
[05:51] <gnoshi> hmm - I should peep in my cache - though I expect it got flushed when it grabbed a later version
[05:51] <gnoshi> yup. not in my cache any more =(
[05:51] <NamShub> sudo apt-get install amarok=1:1.4.1-ubuntu0
[05:51] <NamShub> or something
[05:52] <OisacX> hi
[05:53] <OisacX> I want to know what is the best torrent client for ubuntu?
[05:53] <NamShub> screen + btdownloadcurses :P
[05:54] <NamShub> gnoshi: that worked?
[05:54] <gnoshi> that exact package name doesn't appear to exist
[05:54] <gnoshi> but I'm looking
[05:55] <PyroMithrandir> OisacX, azureus
[05:56] <NamShub> gnoshi: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/pool-dapper/amarok_1.4.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:56] <NamShub> (if your on i386...)
[05:56] <ketsugi> How do I install and apply a KDM theme?
[05:57] <gnoshi> I am on i386 =)
[05:57] <ketsugi> the Kcontrol applet for Login Manager doesn't seem to have anything to do with themes
[05:57] <gnoshi> thanks NamShub...
[05:57] <NamShub> wget that, and the sudo dpk -i that should work
[05:57] <gnoshi> out of interest, how did you find that? just so I can look in the right place next time
[05:58] <OisacX> but azureus is a bit buggy... I've installed sun java, but the bugs remained...
[05:58] <gnoshi> brb
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> Azureus is the best right now but if you dont have lots of ram ktorrent is better
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> also ktorrent supports DHT not
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> now*
[06:00] <NamShub> gnoshi: I actually had the kubuntu repository bookmarked :P
[06:00] <JohnFlux> DHT?
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> trackerless downloads
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> only other funky feature I like about ktorrent is it has a built in torrent search tool
[06:01] <AZ_AS> what good is trackerless download?
[06:02] <digivore> !usb
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <ketsugi> How do I install and apply a KDM theme?
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> AZ_AS: ok what happens when the tracker server with your torrent info on it disappears or they decide the torrent hasnt got enough interest and they flush it
[06:03] <digivore> Plugged in a USB wireless NIC...   how do i install/initialize it in kubuntu?
[06:03] <AZ_AS> so it lets you continue the download then?
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> ketsugi: open kcontrol theres a themes section and you can tell it to install a theme of use the package manager to install a theme
[06:03] <excitatory__> ketsugi: install the kcontrol-kdmtheme package (if not already installed) then open up kcontrol, and set it up in there.
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> s/of/or/
[06:04] <ketsugi> ah, it's not installed by default? okay thanks
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> AZ_AS: yes
[06:05] <AZ_AS> nice
[06:05] <digivore> USB?
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> digivore: should auto detect the device if its supported
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> digivore: should auto detect the device if its supported
[06:07] <dive-o> Can someone help me with getting a digital camera to work (I just need to get images from it) in kubuntu?
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: plug it in or use digikam to manage the transfer
[06:08] <gnoshi> Namshub - cool, thnx - just downgrading my amarok-xine and amarok-engines now too
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: if the camera supports ptp or emulated a mass media device you just plug it in and kubuntu should ask if you want to view the images
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> emulates*
[06:09] <dive-o> plugging it in gives me a notice from the "USB imaging interface," if I select "open in new window," I get a folder containing "USB PTP Class Camera", which contains a file called the same, and clicking on that gives me an error
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: use digicam
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> sorry digikam
[06:09] <gnoshi> hmm.
[06:10] <dive-o> installing now, lets see if that works
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> has a section for all the different camera's in the setup
[06:10] <dive-o> it's a Canon Powershot SD630 if that helps any
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: all the connon stuff Ive used "just works" for me
[06:10] <gnoshi> well - deleted my amarok mysql db, and recreated. downgraded amarok-xine amarok-engines amarok to 1.4.1
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> cannon *
[06:10] <dive-o> Also, where in kubuntu's KDE setup do I find the little wizard that finds KDE apps and automatically adds them to the menu?
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> sheesh cant type today
[06:11] <dive-o> I can't remember the name of it to run it directly
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: you dont
[06:11] <dive-o> Ah.
[06:11] <gnoshi> shiny new problem - 'some media could not be loaded (not playable)' (checking on a flac file)
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: the package installer does all that
[06:12] <dive-o> ok, guess it just doesn't add an entry for digikam
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: its there, might not show up untill you log out/in again
[06:12] <dive-o> ah
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: just type digikam  in a terminal
[06:14] <dive-o> Linux_Galore: it's running, but auto-detect came up with the same non-working entry that I had before, and the models it has listed only go up to SD500
[06:15] <dive-o> nevermind, it's working, I picked the wrong option. thanks :)
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: pick one. cannon doesnt change there protocols much
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: now you have to spend the next hour setting up your image database heh heh
[06:16] <larson9999> dive-o: kappfinder
[06:16] <gnoshi> NamShub; Thanks - now that I'm back to 1.4.1 for everything, it seems to be working happily again.
[06:16] <dive-o> Linux_Galore: luckily I only have about 30 images on the 2G SD card :P
[06:16] <VHockey86_server> anyone know how to install gaim-2.0 instead of gaim 1.5 using apt?
[06:16] <dive-o> I just wanted to grab a specific one without having to resort to rebooting to windows
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: Ive only got 2x 512  mb ones and Ive never filled just one yet
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> VHockey86_server: this for IRC ?
[06:18] <dive-o> Linux_Galore: I was celebrating getting engaged, and since I needed a camera, I decided what the hell and grabbed the 2G card when I bought it
[06:18] <VHockey86_server> Linux_Galore: no, just gaim in general (aim mostly)
[06:18] <dive-o> right now I think it still has room for about 700+ more images at superfine 6MP
[06:18] <dive-o> or 2300+ more at normal
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> VHockey86_server: I have a feeling 1.5.1 wont work with aim properly anymore because of a protocol change
[06:19] <gnoshi> VHockey86_server: There are (unverified) gaim beta .deb packages on http://jimmyjazz.homeip.net:808/debs/
[06:19] <gnoshi> but you have to use dpkg -i to install them.
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: and yo thing 16 and 24mb sd units are out now
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: and to think 16 and 24mb sd units are out now
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> grr
[06:20] <VHockey86_server> o
[06:20] <VHockey86_server> So apt doesn't have any way of installing newer/unverified versions like emerge?
[06:21] <dive-o> Linux_Galore: it came with a 16MB card... according to the camera, I can get seven images on it :-P
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> VHockey86_server: the version of gaim I got of the universe server is the same as the latest source release on the gaim home page
[06:21] <crimsun> sure it does as long as "newer/unverified versions" are in repositories known to apt.
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> dive-o:  oops Gb lol
[06:22] <VHockey86_server> well, their current "release" version is still 1.5
[06:22] <dive-o> oh, I was wondering if that was what you meant
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> dive-o: I do embeded stuff all week and we talk in mb and k
[06:22] <VHockey86_server> but 2.0beta's have been out for like 6 months or more now
[06:22] <crimsun> VHockey86_server: of..?
[06:22] <dive-o> I think I'll stick with 2G until I get anywhere close to using even half of it hehe
[06:22] <VHockey86_server> crimsun: gaim
[06:22] <gnoshi> VHockey86_server - true, but it is a beta
[06:22] <crimsun> VHockey86_server: for dapper?
[06:23] <InuDuelist> Hello, all.
[06:23] <InuDuelist> I are return.
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> VHockey86_server: gaim has been in beta for ages
[06:23] <InuDuelist> It has.
[06:23] <InuDuelist> So has Gmail.
[06:23] <VHockey86_server> crimsun: ya, im trying to install gaim-2.0 without compiling the source myself
[06:23] <crimsun> VHockey86_server: that's correct. Barring a security update, no new versions can go into dapper-{security,updates}
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> VHockey86_server: works fine though
[06:23] <InuDuelist> People seem to think that just because you keep updating something, that it's a beta.
[06:24] <InuDuelist> Most beta programs/websites never go out of beta.
[06:24] <crimsun> InuDuelist: just like people think that it must be better if it's newer
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> yeah mplayer has been beta for what 3 years
[06:24] <InuDuelist> Linux is the Beta master.
[06:24] <gnoshi> InuDuelist - true, but there is a stable build of gaim
[06:24] <InuDuelist> Hell, (K)Ubuntu is beta.
[06:24] <InuDuelist> :P
[06:24] <InuDuelist> That's right.
[06:24] <InuDuelist> I said it.
[06:24] <gnoshi> VHokey86_server: look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246958
[06:24] <InuDuelist> It's beta.
[06:24] <gnoshi> lol.
[06:24] <crimsun> InuDuelist: all software is arguably beta.
[06:25] <gnoshi> crimsun: maybe, but a lot of software doesn't admit it ;)
[06:25] <InuDuelist> crimson, exactly.
[06:25] <Linux_Galore> Windows Vista Beta Eternity+1
[06:25] <InuDuelist> That's why Invisionfree is aswesome.
[06:25] <InuDuelist> The new forum software for IF2, yeah.
[06:25] <InuDuelist> It's called ZETAboards.
[06:25] <InuDuelist> ZETA.
[06:25] <InuDuelist> Not Beta.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Pwnt.
[06:26] <crimsun> roit.
[06:26] <gnoshi> ZETA - yay, so now people can confuse it with a post-beos OS :P
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Heh.
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> games are the worst, most games are released in a beta stage
[06:26] <InuDuelist> I really enjoy how Zetaboards has been in development for 2 years, and still no information on it.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Hell, I bet it's still in Beta. :P
[06:27] <gnoshi> yeah - if there is one good thing about consoles, it is that the releases *have* to be reasonably tested, cos patching is generally unacceptable.
[06:27] <gnoshi> not that it means they *are* well tested, admittedly.
[06:27] <InuDuelist> Take War Rock for example.
[06:27] <larson9999> it's true that more and more these days software stays in beta forever.  but it's not true that most things never leave beta.  except for the things that stop being developed.
[06:27] <InuDuelist> It's in a perpetual beta. Until, of course, it gets released on market.
[06:28] <InuDuelist> You know what the longest running beta program must be?
[06:28] <InuDuelist> Zsnes.
[06:28] <InuDuelist> I swear, that thing's been in beta for 3242342 years.
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> I found amarok very addictive, I have it manageing all my audio needs not, download all my podcasts and dumps them on my media player when it sees its been connected
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> s/not/now/
[06:28] <InuDuelist> Linux_Galore: Me too.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> I also use it because it's the only linux media player that has global hotkeys.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> Which makes it Amarok > *
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> latest version of Amarok Im reading now support itunes downloads
[06:29] <InuDuelist> O RLY?
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> yeah its in the release notes
[06:30] <AZ_AS> Linux_Galore, that'd be awesome
[06:30] <InuDuelist> I'm using 1.2.4
[06:30] <InuDuelist> Is that the latest?
[06:30] <gnoshi> 1.2.4 or 1.4.2
[06:30] <gnoshi> ?
[06:30] <InuDuelist> er.
[06:30] <JonTec> Is there anyway to make (K,X)ubuntu require less memory, like installing a different window manager?
[06:30] <InuDuelist> 1.4.2
[06:30] <InuDuelist> Run it via terminal.
[06:31] <InuDuelist> Like, completely.
[06:31] <JonTec> I'm running xubuntu and kubuntu sometimes in vmware, and I don't have the memory to give to it... :(
[06:31] <gnoshi> dammit. it isn't indexing my frikken flac files.
[06:31] <JonTec> Linux_Galore, what package do you need for iTunes support? (I'm making a jab at my experience with amaroK and other Linux players)
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> amarok now works fine with my Creative Vision:M portable media player thanks to the support of MTP in 1.4.2
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> version
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: hmm
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: never tried it myself with itunes
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: from memory you need to install 1.4.3 untable to get itunes
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> unstable*
[06:36] <InuDuelist> I like Amarok for two reasons.
[06:36] <InuDuelist> 1. Global Hotkeys
[06:37] <InuDuelist> 2. It's the shit.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> Nothing better.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> I, for one, am happy.
[06:37] <Xaero_Vincent> LFS?
[06:38] <gnoshi> right - so amarok 1.4.1 isn't reading my flac file tags either.
[06:39] <JonTec> :D I like amaroK too.
[06:40] <JonTec> Anyone suggest a low memory desktop manager that I can install over (k,x)ubuntu?
[06:40] <DFM> icewm
[06:41] <DFM> from what I hear it uses very little memory
[06:41] <JonTec> :D is there a package by chance?
[06:41] <DFM> never looked
[06:41] <Xaero_Vincent> KDE is nice and lightweight
[06:41] <DFM> probably if you open up all of your repo's you could find it
[06:42] <gnoshi> time to downgrade some more.
[06:43] <ironfroggy> i need to automate an operation which requires ssh to a remote server, but how can i do that when i can only ssh after doing ssh-add on my private key?
[06:43] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: 1.3.9 is broken so is 1.4.1 you need to update to 1.4.2 if you want to keep your old playlist
[06:43] <gnoshi> hmm.
[06:43] <JonTec> the problem I'm having is coping with the heavy 256MB memory tax on my system from in vmware.
[06:44] <Linux_Galore> http://amarok.kde.org/ has the info for adding a repository that has amarok 1.4.2
[06:44] <JonTec> Not to mention both Kubuntu and Xubuntu run slowly... I allocate like 384, and more than half of that vmware has to swap
[06:44] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: I use  96Mb with a browser open on my machine
[06:45] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: no swap used
[06:45] <DFM> I think his problem is that he is running it in a virtual machine
[06:45] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore: weird - kubuntu seemed to be running amarok 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4
[06:45] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - I'm not using 1.4.2 because I had problems building a collection with it.
[06:46] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: well on the kubuntu.org home page they have a notice saying amarok 1.4.2 has been added to the repo
[06:46] <Buddha_Joe> hi everyone. Has anybody had any luck getting amarok to detect mtp devices with version 1.4.2
[06:46] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore: yep, I got it from the repo but it wouldn't build my collections, so I'm rolling back for the time being.
[06:48] <JonTec> Oh, I was going from the system requirements on the Dapper CD.
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: always just backup the amarok directory its under ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: that way you dont lose anything
[06:48] <JonTec> or is that just the fact that the installation uses the live cd?
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: then just manually copy the stuff over
[06:49] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - yep, will do that.
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: nothing lost that way
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: Im even more lazy I just rename it mv  ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok-old
[06:50] <gnoshi> hehe.
[06:54] <gnoshi> argh! I'm going crazy! it is still not reading the tags of my files.
[06:58] <ironfroggy> Why does amarok suddenly want to pull in ruby?
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: if you updating amarok from 1.3.* to 1.4* the what amarok builds the database has totally been changed
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> s/what/way/
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: plugins
[07:00] <ironfroggy> what if i dont want them
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> many kde/gtk apps you will notice are adding the ability to do plugins, the latest and greatest scripting language is rails these days, used to be perl or python
[07:01] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - I'll give you the overview - my apt-get upgrade moved me to amarok 1.4.2, which wouldn't play because of xine issues - I installed a patched xine, and music would play but my collection would not index (it produced errors inconsistently reading the tags from files). I downgraded amarok and amarok-xine to 1.4.1 and reinstalled the official xine from the repos, and tagging still didn't work. I grabbed the pre-1.4.2 official
[07:01] <gnoshi>  from the ubuntu repos (which was 2:1.3.9-ubuntu4), and installed that, and it will still not read flac file tags correctly.
[07:01] <ironfroggy> first of all, rails is not a language
[07:01] <ironfroggy> secondly, python is far superious to ruby
[07:02] <gnoshi> so I'm about ready to give up for the time being.
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: should have built from source like me
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: zero issues
[07:02] <gnoshi> lol.
[07:02] <gnoshi> yeah, you're probably right.
[07:02] <gnoshi> did you build from the source package?
[07:03] <gnoshi> or from .tar.gz source file.
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: yeah no brainer, just read what its complaining about after you run ./configure  or if your really lazy install kompile and then all you need to do is download the tar.gz or tar.bz  file from the home page download section and run kompile and point it at the file you downloaded
[07:04] <JonTec> Which one uses the least amount of memory? icewm, fluxbox, KDE, Gnome?
[07:05] <ironfroggy> amarok didnt actually gain some ruby-specificness did it? the plugins are just dcop or something that can be written in anything, right?
[07:05] <gnoshi> giving that a try now. All my music is in flac, and on SMB shares, so if it doesn't work it makes me sad =(
[07:05] <Hawkwind> JonTec: IceWM or fluxbox by far
[07:05] <gnoshi> amarok still uses qt3?
[07:05] <Hawkwind> gnoshi: Yes
[07:05] <gnoshi> cool.
[07:06] <Hawkwind> Ad does all of KDE 3.5.x
[07:06] <gnoshi> didn't have the libqt3-mt-dev installed
[07:06] <JonTec> will all of my (k,x)ubuntu programs still work if I installed them over?
[07:06] <Linux_Galore> info on kompile -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30223
[07:06] <Hawkwind> JonTec: Of course
[07:06] <gnoshi> ah. of course, that would make sense. with the 3 and all.
[07:06] <gnoshi> (assuming there is a relationship between the KDE main version number and the qt lib version number)
[07:06] <JonTec> okay, good, thanks. :D
[07:07] <Linux_Galore> you can have multiple version of qt installed without a problem I have qt4 installed
[07:07] <gnoshi> yeah, I have qt3 and qt4
[07:07] <Hawkwind> gnoshi: Basically yes.  When KDE4 comes out, it'll use all QT4.
[07:07] <gnoshi> cool.
[07:08] <gnoshi> installing kompile now, cos I'm lazy.
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: yeah I cant see why amorok would need rails if you had no plugins
[07:11] <gnoshi> well, I'm just gonna bite the bullet, not have a built collection, and use amarok as a standard non-tag-supporting player for the time being.
[07:11] <gnoshi> gotta get to work on some essays.
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: amarok supports tags
[07:12] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - yeah, but it is not reading them from my flac files.
[07:13] <ironfroggy> Linux_Galore: stop calling it rails!
[07:13] <gnoshi> oh, to me amarok is king of the players - it is just giving me a little bit of grief at the moment but no doubt I'll apt-get update in a day or two and it will all be fine again.
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> includes two major new features. One is Advanced Tag Features (ATF). Turn it on in Amarok's configuration and take advantage of some great features that make sure you can move your music without losing your music.
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> ATF info -> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Advanced_Tag_Features_(ATF)
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: choo choo
[07:14] <jiger> hi does anyone know if any particular service etc has to be running to enable hdparm.conf to be read on startup?
[07:14] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - but it won't read *any* tags from my flac files at the moment.
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: hmm did you check for a plugin
[07:15] <gnoshi> it can play them, just not read the tags.
[07:16] <jiger> I can't get dma enabled automatically for my dvdrom
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: use gstreamer engine is supports flac better
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> it*
[07:18] <gnoshi> cool - I'll give that a shot
[07:18] <gnoshi> brb
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: you can select the engine in amarok
[07:19] <ironfroggy> ketsugi: wtf
 Linux_Galore: stop calling it rails!
[07:19] <ketsugi> <3
[07:20] <ironfroggy> hah
[07:21] <ironfroggy> it peeves me. ruby isn't so great. only reason it has all this hype is because of rails and people think rails is ruby.
[07:21] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: duh just a pain saying  ruby on rails when rails is easier
[07:21] <ironfroggy> but we arent saying anything about ruby on rails! that has nothing to do with amarok or its plugins
[07:22] <ironfroggy> they do not use ruby on rails, which is a web framework.
[07:22] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: I called it rails because I was looking at a web plugin rails thing for amarok when I wrote that
[07:22] <ironfroggy> ugh
[07:23] <ironfroggy> ruby sucks
[07:23] <ironfroggy> what kind of a crack pot language would give declarative meaning to casing?
[07:23] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: its japanese
[07:24] <Linux_Galore> ironfroggy: what stupid language only has 26 letters
[07:24] <ironfroggy> python supports more than that
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> yeah but python has its own issues
[07:25] <ironfroggy> greatness is an issue!
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> no as in "falls short of the mark" issues
[07:25] <ironfroggy> bah! compared to ruby? what mark doesnt it hit?
[07:26] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore - it doesn't look like there is an amarok-engine-gstreamer for 1.4.2
[07:29] <flaccid> is kubuntu install an image-based install?
[07:30] <ironfroggy> someone's been reading vista articles
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: yes
[07:31] <flaccid> yeah
[07:31] <flaccid> just thought i'd check
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: dont need that package anymore its built in
[07:31] <flaccid> trying to think of advantages and disadvantages of such a model
[07:32] <gnoshi> ok - so it should be selectable from the 'engines' screen?
[07:32] <flaccid> any disadvantages with the current image-based install for dapper?
[07:32] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: yep is for me
[07:33] <gnoshi> Linux_Galore: it's not for me, but then again I'm still in the process of the source build so maybe it is just because of the package
[07:33] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: I made sure all the gstreamer stuff was installed first ie plugins and src packages then compiled it
[07:33] <Linux_Galore> gnoshi: I just put edgy eft node 2 on my old laptop, dont cry its all there lol
[07:34] <gnoshi> well, gstreamer0.10-alsa is installed.
[07:34] <JonTec> Okay, I went over to mu kubuntu comp and looked up the icewm packages. If I installed the icewm-lite files, can I later use the full blown version of icewm? Or vice-versa?
[07:35] <JonTec> Also, how do I choose what window manager that I wanto use when booting?
[07:35] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: in the login screen you can select the desktop
[07:35] <JonTec> oh yeah, :D I forgot about that.
[07:36] <JonTec> does that apply for the lite versions as well?
[07:36] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: or if your really clever you can run the desktop next to the kde one
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: press ctrl alt f1 login  then type  xinit  /usr/bin/starticewm  -- :1
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: you can swap desktop with ctrl alt F5 or ctrl alt F6
[07:39] <Linux_Galore> most people dont know you can run multiple desktops on Linux
[07:39] <JonTec> I didn't :D I'm still wondering where I choose lite or the regular version... I don't want to install them and then havea problem... T_T
[07:40] <Linux_Galore> JonTec: the installer will add it to the login conf file
[07:41] <JonTec> okay. I'm going to boot up windows and run vmware... and see what I get...
[07:42] <nenwlinuxben> Hey, I'm looking for a little help with WINE.  First time using it, and I'm kind of new to Kubuntu
[07:43] <usuario> hello
[07:43] <k_user> hey
[07:44] <k_user> i was here before,
[07:44] <k_user> i guess
[07:44] <nenwlinuxben> Hey I'm looking for a little help with WINE, can anyone help?
[07:44] <k_user> drink it till get drunk
[07:44] <flaccid> can you get a free copy of counter strike source somewhere to run under WINE, or not exist?
[07:44] <k_user> then talk to me
[07:44] <nenwlinuxben> heh
[07:45] <k_user> counteer is not free
[07:45] <nenwlinuxben> k_user, do you know much about it?
[07:45] <k_user> wine is a fuckinn windows
[07:45] <k_user> or something
[07:46] <nenwlinuxben> well I'm trying to run a program for a friend
[07:46] <k_user> i never tryied
[07:46] <nenwlinuxben> aye thanks anyway
[07:46] <k_user> i just get drunk then i connect here
[07:46] <nenwlinuxben> haha
[07:46] <k_user> sometimes i help ppl
[07:46] <k_user> i dont know how
[07:47] <k_user> i heappens
[07:47] <k_user> what can i tell u about wine?
[07:47] <k_user> wine is a "translator" of windows to linux
[07:48] <Eeyore_Jr> hi.  are you allowed  to use the word Kubuntu for a link to the kubuntu site under the trademark rules of ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[07:48] <k_user> its kindda good
[07:48] <k_user> but not perfect
[07:48] <Healot> compatibility layer is the term used
[07:48] <nenwlinuxben> well, I'm just really new to linux and I'm trying to figure out how to use it
[07:48] <word> Eeyore_Jr: i'd assume so...free advertisement doubt they'll complain
[07:48] <k_user> i kindda new to linux too.. but not exactly
[07:49] <nenwlinuxben> I've been using Kubuntu for about a week and I love it, but I just need to get some things running
[07:49] <k_user> i'm kindda that too
[07:49] <k_user> ell
[07:49] <k_user> well
[07:49] <Eeyore_Jr> well, ubuntu on a pron site might draw them complaints
[07:50] <nenwlinuxben> heh
[07:50] <Eeyore_Jr> outside of that, i can't think of a reason either
[07:50] <k_user> you can xpect to run every windows program on linux
[07:50] <nenwlinuxben> well it would advocate safe porn surfinig
[07:50] <Eeyore_Jr> *drum roll*
[07:50] <nenwlinuxben> without worrying about any real damage or shitty dialers
[07:50] <k_user> what do u want to run on linux
[07:50] <k_user> ?
[07:50] <nenwlinuxben> Limewire
[07:50] <Eeyore_Jr> use azerues
[07:51] <nenwlinuxben> yah?
[07:51] <nenwlinuxben> I've been using Amule
[07:51] <nenwlinuxben> but I didn't like Emule and I don't really like A either
[07:51] <k_user> amule..  me too.
[07:51] <k_user> but a frriernd of mine told me today of something better
[07:51] <nenwlinuxben> azerues?
[07:51] <k_user> dunno
[07:52] <nenwlinuxben> and I can just grab that through adapt? or do I need to compile it?
[07:52] <k_user> there  a p2p cient that connect to a lot of networks
[07:52] <k_user> sometimes there r things u don find on adept
[07:52] <word> azureus
[07:53] <k_user> then u just find a .deb package
[07:53] <word> runs with java if you can't find it on a package..it's no compiling nescesary
[07:53] <nenwlinuxben> I see
[07:53] <reddwolf78> can someone help me out i'm tryig to do a compile and i can get past the make part it keeps tell the is no command for it
[07:53] <k_user> java too
[07:53] <word> i put mine at ~/.azureus ...not sure if that's too good of a palce to put it though
[07:53] <k_user> !azureus
[07:53] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[07:54] <k_user> umm
[07:54] <reddwolf78> i have the web page already for compileing
[07:54] <reddwolf78> and i'm following word for word but still run into that problem
[07:54] <nenwlinuxben> super noob question
[07:55] <word> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:55] <nenwlinuxben> can i...
[07:55] <word> reddwolf78: use that command
[07:55] <reddwolf78> ok i will give a shot
[07:55] <reddwolf78> its uploading
[07:56] <nenwlinuxben> can I use the ubuntu dapper drake package for azerues, or is there a dufference between the kubuntu dapper and the ubuntu?
[07:56] <nenwlinuxben> for these kinds of things atleast...
[07:56] <reddwolf78> finished
[07:56] <word> reddwolf78: then retry the make thing
[07:56] <reddwolf78> ok
[07:56] <k_user> :S
[07:57] <reddwolf78> this what it says when ii type in make (make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.)
[07:57] <word> nenwlinuxben: you can run gnome things on kde and kde things on gnome just have to install some extra packages a lot of times
[07:57] <Diuneimama> !audioplayer
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audioplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <Diuneimama> !audio player
[07:57] <word> reddwolf78: what are you compiling?
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <reddwolf78> !mediaplayer
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediaplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <ironfroggy> if i wanted to use dual screens, with a desktop on each screen, would that work if the second screen was not always available?
[07:57] <reddwolf78> xmms player
[07:57] <Diuneimama> !xmms player
[07:57] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[07:58] <ironfroggy> for example, if i wanted to sit my laptop at my desk and plug in a monitor.
[07:58] <reddwolf78> i have those already installed
[07:58] <word> reddwolf78: why do you need to compile? looks like theres a package for it
[07:59] <k_user> everybods hurts sometimes
[07:59] <Diuneimama> excuse me people.. how do i install mp3 player and video player?
[07:59] <reddwolf78> let me double cheack to make i have them installed then
[08:00] <k_user> u have to installl the libxine-extracodecs
[08:00] <word> Diuneimama: for mp3s you'll want to use a program called Amarok you can find it in the repositories (using Adept) and for videos..well not a -good- one but -good enough- is mplayer which can also be found with adept
[08:00] <word> Diuneimama: yah you'll have to follow the restricted formats tutorial as well
[08:00] <word> !restricted
[08:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:00] <word> the first link up there ^
[08:00] <ironfroggy> kaffeine is a good one for the video playing
[08:00] <k_user>  u have to installl the libxine-extracodecs
[08:00] <k_user>  u have to installl the libxine-extracodecs
[08:01] <Diuneimama> ok word
[08:01] <k_user>  u have to installl the libxine-extracodecs
[08:01] <reddwolf78> i just cheack the adept manager and found out i don't have all the packages for xmms installed
[08:01] <k_user> and i have said
[08:01] <Diuneimama> where to instal libxine~~?
[08:01] <k_user> adept
[08:01] <word> you need more than that k_user :P
[08:01] <k_user> ah
[08:01] <word> and the restrictedformats wiki explains it all step by step
[08:01] <k_user> update the kubuntu
[08:02] <k_user> put the xine
[08:02] <k_user> and then put the extra-codecs
[08:02] <flaccid> is there any software available to test if a cpu is damaged?
[08:02] <ironfroggy> hasnt anyone made an install CD yet that includes restricted formats and all that?
[08:02] <k_user> i did that
[08:02] <insanekane> flaccid: haha
[08:02] <k_user> 19X mb of updatte
[08:02] <flaccid> yeah
[08:02] <flaccid> pretty funny i'm serious
[08:02] <insanekane> ironfroggy: the reason they arent on the CD is because they are restricted formats
[08:02] <flaccid> the acpi bug which caused the cpu fan to stop may have fried it
[08:03] <insanekane> hrmm ..
[08:03] <ironfroggy> insanekane: they arent restricted everywhere.
[08:03] <insanekane> ironfroggy: but it is unethical to distribute them
[08:03] <word> flaccid: ummmmmmmm.......i suppose the best way would to do some video editting :-/ that would really put your processor through it's paces
[08:03] <k_user> u have to put http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ on multiverse and universe
[08:04] <flaccid> word: this is on a server,and at the moment it goes slow after uptime of a few hours or so and there appears to be no system issues
[08:04] <insanekane> ironfroggy: most of the extracodecs pack are hacked windows .dlls and plugins ... they are distributed by violating their copyright terms
[08:04] <flaccid> for example ssh login now taking ages
 i'm getting all the xmms packs intalling
[08:04] <ironfroggy> insanekane: dont give me that crap
[08:04] <flaccid> commands taking ages to go
[08:04] <insanekane> ironfroggy: its not crap ... it is legalese
[08:05] <k_user> man
[08:05] <k_user> gettin drunk is cool
[08:05] <ironfroggy> then why is (k/X)ubuntu so much more limited out of the box in that respect than other distros?
[08:05] <k_user> u drink
[08:05] <insanekane> k_user: :)
[08:05] <word> flaccid: any idea on what brand of processer?
[08:05] <k_user> and then u're drunk
[08:05] <insanekane> ironfroggy: hunh ?
[08:05] <ironfroggy> getting drunk on irc isnt a sign of coolness. drinks + human beings = cool
[08:05] <word> flaccid: i'm not sure..but i think intels tend to die more nicely since they have an auto-underclock feature
[08:06] <ironfroggy> drinks - human beings = lame
[08:06] <insanekane> ironfroggy: some distros include the extracodecs by violating the copyright terms ... other distros pay for distributing those codecs
[08:06] <flaccid> true word, it is a p4
[08:06] <k_user> whatever
[08:06] <k_user> night is over
[08:06] <k_user> here i am
[08:06] <ironfroggy> insanekane: everyone knows ubuntu doesnt include them for the simple reason of trying to be pure. like nazis.
[08:07] <word> flaccid: any way for you to check the cpu temp?
[08:07] <insanekane> ironfroggy: i wouldnt compare them to nazis really ... it isnt "trying to be pure" ... it is "trying to be legal"
[08:07] <ironfroggy> eh im not ranting any more.
[08:07] <k_user> i'm lost
 how do i get xxmms working know that i have the packages installed
[08:07] <flaccid> word: is there a program to probe cpu temp?
[08:07] <ironfroggy> insanekane: ill keep disagreeing.
[08:08] <flaccid> i've had to disable acpi because of the kernel bug
[08:08] <reddwolf78> *xmms
[08:08] <insanekane> ironfroggy: you can disagree all you want ... doesnt change the facts
[08:08] <ironfroggy> i know there are legal reasons against it, but that isnt why the restricted formats arent included.
[08:08] <word> reddwolf78: should be in your menu under multimedia..if not do kbuilsycoca and look again
[08:09] <k_user> um
[08:09] <word> flaccid: i have my cpu fan on a manual knob lol...so i wouldn't be effected either way..umm...theres lm-sensors..but that requires some doing to set up and success varies
[08:09] <insanekane> ironfroggy: you are free to believe in whatever you want :) its a free world :)
[08:09] <flaccid> word: yeah i also hardwired the cpu fan so it can't be turned off by acpi
[08:09] <Martijn81> word: yeah lm_sensors so not work on an asus a8n motherbord
[08:09] <flaccid> dang
[08:10] <flaccid> this is a gigabyte in an ibm
[08:10] <flaccid> pretty crap
[08:10] <flaccid> problem with bios -> kernel
[08:10] <word> it works on my asrock kt880
[08:10] <Martijn81> asrock is sort of asus afaik
[08:11] <word> yup
[08:11] <flaccid> i'm on an asus w1000Na notebook
[08:11] <flaccid> i wish it had linux support
[08:11] <Martijn81> but i never got them to work here, next time a better motherbord i guess...
[08:11] <word> :(
[08:12] <word> mines got all the features without the price heh..
[08:12] <flaccid> epox perhaps
[08:12] <Martijn81> flaccid: i was hoping a DFI lanparty , since it nice nice asynchroon ram support for overclocking :)
 how do i fun kbuilsycoca ( i could not find anywere)
[08:13] <reddwolf78> see i'm only been running linux for a few weeks now
[08:13] <flaccid> hectic
[08:13] <word> kbuildsycoca you run in command line
[08:14] <word> it updates some things...meh all i know is it updates your menu..it does some other stuff too i think..
[08:14] <Martijn81> reddwolf78: hang in there, you're gona love it
[08:15] <reddwolf78> ok
[08:15] <Martijn81> at least i hope so ;)
[08:15] <Diuneimama> !install
[08:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[08:15] <reddwolf78> i see xmms and a new media player called mplayer movie player
[08:17] <word> reddwolf78: good deal you'll need mplayer even if you didn't want it for some other things like browser embedded video
[08:17] <reddwolf78> ok
[08:17] <word> but uh get in the habit of clicking on 'preview changes' before apply
[08:17] <flaccid> what is kacpid ?
[08:17] <flaccid> root        10  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   18:38   0:00 [kacpid] 
[08:18] <word> run by root..so may be important?
[08:18] <flaccid> whats with the 0s
[08:18] <reddwolf78> how do i get xmms to see that i have music
[08:18] <word> i got it runnin too
[08:18] <flaccid> like i uninstalled acpid as well
[08:18] <word> reddwolf78: it really has no menu you shoulda gotten Amarok it's a MUCH easier to use interface
[08:18] <flaccid> there is no kde on the box its server install
[08:19] <word> !kacpid
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kacpid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <word> psh
[08:19] <word> !anything
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <word> pwnt!
[08:19] <flaccid> !!linux
[08:19] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[08:19] <reddwolf78> true but xmms is saposed to work shoutcast a program used for djing
[08:20] <flaccid> icecast is better
[08:20] <flaccid> and free
[08:20] <reddwolf78> true
[08:20] <reddwolf78> so is shoutcast
[08:20] <flaccid> not gnu/gpl
[08:20] <word> shoutcast ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm think it works in amarok but if you want to use xmms then right clicking the player shows the options you'll have to 'add folder' or whatever the option is
[08:20] <reddwolf78> but how do iget ither one to work with linux
[08:20] <flaccid> can't do ogg vorb i don't think
[08:21] <reddwolf78> i have tons of mp3s
[08:21] <reddwolf78> just need to get them from my xp system to this one
[08:21] <cga> hi all =) or mooo for that matter && i have some music going on as soon as i open my KDE but i didn't chose to play it... anybody know if i have ghosts in my PC or if is a new surprise of kubuntu? (i'm serious)
[08:21] <flaccid> reddwolf78: mount the windows partition ?
[08:21] <word> reddwolf78: amarok will be best for listening...xmms i guess if you have a tut on how will be your best bet on shoutcast
[08:22] <reddwolf78> ok
[08:22] <flaccid> reddwolf78: are you talking about listening to a stream or pushing to a shoutcast server?
[08:22] <reddwolf78>  becouse on sat nights i dj
[08:22] <reddwolf78>  pushing to a shoutcast server
[08:22] <flaccid> ok i host an online radio station
[08:22] <flaccid> with shoutcast and ice
[08:22] <reddwolf78> cool
[08:22] <flaccid> i'll install xmms and see if i can get the plugin to work
[08:22] <cga> ok nevermind... i found the answer...
[08:22] <flaccid> people usually use winamp
[08:23] <reddwolf78> i play metal music
[08:23] <flaccid> cool
[08:23] <flaccid> i'm a trance guy
[08:23] <reddwolf78> i use that on xp but i would like to get ride of xp becouse i like linux better
[08:23] <flaccid> sweet
[08:23] <InuDuelist> reddwolf, don't.
[08:23] <reddwolf78> the one person i dj for let me pick and i choce metal
[08:24] <mkquist> anyone help w/unmet dependencies?
[08:24] <reddwolf78> why Inuduelist
[08:25] <word> reddwolf78: what kinda metal?
[08:25] <reddwolf78> anything from robzombie to perl jam
[08:25] <reddwolf78> or old to new
[08:25] <reddwolf78> depends on the request
[08:25] <Martijn81> mkquist: ?
[08:25] <reddwolf78> i get
[08:26] <InuDuelist> reddwolf78: Because eventually, you'll feck something up.
[08:26] <InuDuelist> When that happens, you'll want Windows.
[08:26] <InuDuelist> But you won't get windows.
[08:26] <flaccid> reddwolf78: did you do a sudo apt-get install xmms-liveice
[08:26] <reddwolf78> i will still have the restore disk for xp
[08:26] <InuDuelist> Good for you.
[08:26] <reddwolf78> not yet i didn't no i had to do that
[08:26] <word> and when you want windows but don't get windows you'll wipe your system and only have windows heh...you'll want to keep it for awhile
[08:27] <flaccid> reddwolf78: that gives you the plugin
[08:27] <mkquist> keep getting the same message on unmet dependencies re: fonttastic-glibc-2.1: Depends: xlib6g (>= 3.3.5-1) but it is not installable
[08:27] <reddwolf78> already have it it says
[08:27] <word> you can safely transfer personal files and mp3s and such to save space there's always ways to get files from linus - > windows
[08:27] <mkquist> and : wine-graphics9-glibc-2.1: Depends: xlib6g (>= 3.3.5-1)
[08:27] <mkquist> any thoughts
[08:27] <flaccid> reddwolf78: apparently its shoutcast compatible but i'm yet to confirm it
[08:27] <mkquist> ?
[08:27] <word> even i still have windows >< haven't been on it in 2 months..but that's besides the point
[08:28] <reddwolf78> is there a way to do that when doing a duel boot
[08:28] <flaccid> reddwolf78: enable the plugin in xmms and use it - goto configure
[08:28] <reddwolf78> how do i enable that
[08:28] <reddwolf78> the plugins
[08:28] <word> reddwolf78: you can mount your windows partition..you want to transfer files right?
[08:28] <flaccid> reddwolf78: ctrl + p
[08:28] <cga> hi again all && i can't manage to listen to a CD with KsCD. the sound card is working for all the other things and the "CD" level in the mixer is up. any suggestion? thanks
[08:28] <flaccid> i can't hop on a shoutcast server, so can you test for me ?
[08:29] <reddwolf78> for space reasons i would leave the music on xp but run them on linux if possable
[08:30] <flaccid> reddwolf78: in konqueror, open this apt:/search?shoutcast
[08:30] <word> cga: cd mounted
[08:30] <word> ?
[08:30] <flaccid> some handy packages
[08:31] <Martijn81> mkquist: that's because that package is not in the repository, are you installing a debian package from debian distro maybe?
[08:31] <cga> word, you don't mount audio cd.. that's why you have applications such as KsCD ;) anyway thanks for trying
[08:31] <flaccid> icecream is cool
[08:31] <reddwolf78> i was doing that early today and got everything i could get for shoutcasst and icecast
[08:31] <mkquist> maybe, was trying to install wine last nite and thats when it started
[08:31] <mkquist> do you know how i can eliminate them?
[08:32] <word> cga: psh whats the error message? is your user in the cd group?
[08:32] <flaccid> reddwolf78: ok well test it now in xmms
[08:32] <Martijn81> cga: you probably need libcdio-cdda0
[08:32] <mkquist> Martijn81 - tried to remove purge, and that didnt work
[08:32] <flaccid> there is also this for JACK http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv3_jack/
[08:32] <mkquist> Martijn81 - keep getting the message everytime i try to apt-get now...
[08:33] <cga> Martijn81, thanks i give it a try
[08:34] <mkquist> Martijn81 - anyway to eliminate the files that are causing that?
[08:34] <Martijn81> mkquist: some way or another a package is linking to a package that is not anywhere in the repo, that implies either a "corrupt" package, or a package not meant for ubutu
[08:34] <Martijn81> *ubuntu
[08:34] <reddwolf78> ok guys and girls i'm off to bed its almost 3 am here and i need sleep can we pick this up later today or another day
[08:34] <word> mkquist: sudo apt-get -f install ?
[08:35] <Martijn81> mkquist: i think you might wanna try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:35] <mkquist> Martijn81 whats that do?
[08:35] <mkquist> Martijn81, well its removing the prob files... nice
[08:36] <Martijn81> mkquist: that tries to configure the packages installed, might give some clue too
[08:36] <Martijn81> ah, that's nice :)
[08:36] <mkquist> Martijn81 that last command does nothing, but the first appears to have removed the problem packages..
[08:37] <word> umm
[08:37] <word> were the problem packages important?
[08:37] <cga> word, yes my user is in the cd-rom group and i don't get any errors && Martijn81 i have libcdio3 but not libcdio-cdda0 , i'm still on breezy BTW =)
[08:37] <mkquist> Martijn81 thankyou for that
[08:37] <word> cga: no errors even if you run from command line?
[08:37] <cga> word, gotta try that
[08:38] <Martijn81> mkquist: so your problem is solved now?
[08:38] <cga> word, no errors
[08:38] <mkquist> Martijn81 - yes, thankyou
[08:39] <word> cga: does it not see the cd at all? not play the songs?
[08:39] <Martijn81> :)
[08:39] <mkquist> Martijn81 - love the quick fixes
[08:39] <cga> word, it works all fine but i can't hear a thing
[08:39] <word> cga: can you hear other system sounds?
[08:40] <cga> word, as stated in the first message of help : everything audio works fine but the CD and mixer and volumes are all up.
[08:40] <word> i must've caught the 2nd message then
[08:41] <word> look for a kscd website and look under troubleshooting i can almost garuntee "There's no sound!" is on a FAQ
[08:41] <Martijn81> cga: look in the description os that package libcdio3, if it says something like " This library is made to read and control digital audio CDs. It does not play such CDs, it only reads them digitally. As it uses libcdio as a backend, it supports the same kind of CDROM drives (and images) as libcdio. " it's the package
[08:41] <Martijn81> *of
[08:42] <cga> Martijn81, phone sorry
[08:42] <Martijn81> no harm, coffee time for me
[08:42] <flaccid> i'm trying issue sudo shutdown -P -t 1
[08:42] <flaccid> i guess thats wrong
[08:43] <word> flaccid: to restart? i use sudo shutdown -r now
[08:44] <cga> re
[08:45] <flaccid> to shutdown and turn off
[08:45] <cga> Martijn81, it says something different want me to paste it? maybe in private?
[08:46] <cga> word, i'll do that thanks
[08:48] <Martijn81> cga: yes that's cool
[08:50] <chx> sensors-detect does not find any i2c devices. this is lspci output: http://pastecode.com/4071
[08:53] <word> chx: is your motherboard supported?
[08:55] <chx> word: well, after a modprobe i2c-dev by hand sensors-detect run and found a winbond chip
[08:56] <chx> word: temp1:       -48C  (high =   +66C, hyst =    +4C)   sensor = thermistor
[08:56] <chx> word: this however tells me that something is not correct :P
[08:56] <word> yah.. ;p your motherboard might not be supported
[08:58] <chx> word: might be. it's an Aopen vK8T800a-LF
[08:58] <word> chx: check on the lm-sensors website
[09:07] <chx> :( i had an apt-get upgrade , now I can't apply my style any more to kopete and the chat window became white  background which is horrible :(
[09:19] <Jucato> terribly quiet... which is good :-D
[09:20] <nixternal> shhh
[09:20] <Jucato> lol!
[09:21] <Jucato> I'm going to test your IRC multi-tasking skills :-D
[09:21] <Jucato> nixternal: since you're on the topic of OO.o-KOffice...
[09:21] <Martijn81> that's because everybody is day-dreaming about edgy ;)
[09:21] <nixternal> oh lord...don't get me started...im about to toss every sun microsystems thing in my house out
[09:21] <nixternal> im not day-dreaming about edgy..im currently cussing it out
[09:22] <Jucato> I made a document in OO.o with lots of numbering ang bullets, did it for almost an hour (long document). I opened them in KWord, and no numbers,no bullets. Is this normal?
[09:22] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:22] <nixternal> yup
[09:22] <nixternal> cuz OOo is garbage
[09:22] <Jucato> lol
[09:22] <Jucato> glad I'm not the only one who thinks (something) like that... ehehehe
[09:22] <flaccid> what document format?
[09:22] <Jucato> ODF
[09:22] <nixternal> dude..i wrote a freakin' article for the college...i used OOo, barely any formatting...and they emailed me like...are you nuts, im not reading through this
[09:23] <Jucato> heh
[09:23] <nixternal> they sent pdf'd it so i can see...my lord it was gabled
[09:23] <flaccid> yeah i agree
[09:23] <nixternal> garbled
[09:23] <nixternal> i redid it here via copy and paste into KOffice, and wallah
[09:23] <flaccid> so does kword implement odf better?
[09:23] <nixternal> and I saved it in teh OASIS format as well
[09:24] <Jucato> rawr! I had a bad taste of ODF "interoperability" because of that...
[09:24] <nixternal> they are all supposed to implement it the same way..but obviously OOo implements it differently then MS Office and KOffic
[09:24] <Jucato> (and Abiword can't even open it my ODF document...)
[09:24] <nixternal> but i will say this now..i hear one person complain about a doco or a spreadsheet i send...here I come MS OFfice
[09:24] <flaccid> is kword part of koffice?
[09:24] <nixternal> ya
[09:24] <Jucato> yep
[09:24] <flaccid> me install
[09:25] <Jucato> whoa!! nixternal send me one and I'll complain :-D
[09:25] <mkquist> anyone using photoshop 7 in wine
[09:25] <Jucato> what I dislike (bordering on hate) about OO.o is that it has a poor way of handling multiple documents...
[09:25] <Jucato> I just love KOffice's Workspace...
[09:25] <Jucato> ouch....
[09:25] <nixternal> hehe
[09:26] <nixternal> did you just hear that?
[09:26] <nixternal> oh..it was my bed calling me
[09:26] <chx> OK I give in
[09:26] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:26] <Jucato> lol
[09:26] <chx> where can i get commercial support?
[09:26] <Jucato> g'night!
[09:26] <flaccid> !limewire
[09:26] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[09:26] <nixternal> www.ubuntu.com/support
[09:26] <chx> nixternal: that URL is useless.
[09:27] <flaccid> !gnutella
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnutella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <chx> nixternal: I am in Hungary
[09:27] <flaccid> !FrostWire
[09:27] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:27] <Martijn81> flaccid: easy on the fishing
[09:27] <nixternal> ubuntu commercial support == worldwide
[09:27] <flaccid> huh
[09:27] <chx> hmmm let's see
[09:27] <Jucato> How about the Ubuntu Marketplace?
[09:28] <Jucato> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace/europe
[09:28] <Jack12> hi
[09:28] <Martijn81> flaccid: you can /msg ubotu !question without getting the channel flooded
[09:28] <Jack12> even though my password is in the kwallet
[09:28] <Jack12> it keeps asking me
[09:28] <chx> Jucato: and where have you seen Hungary in that list
[09:28] <flaccid> oh thanks, i didn't know that
[09:28] <Jack12> for that
[09:28] <Martijn81> :)
[09:28] <flaccid> private bot heh
[09:28] <Jack12> can anyone explain=
[09:29] <Jucato> chx: Karl Deutsch, Austria. We offer linux training, consulting and installation support in Austria (Graz-Wien-Klagenfurt). Training and consulting is also available for Hungary (Languages: Deutsch/English).
[09:29] <chx> wow, that's news.
[09:29] <Jucato> http://www.linux-werkstatt.at/
[09:29] <Jucato> chx: Ctrl+F is your friend
[09:29] <chx> Jucato: i think i tried all of these :(
[09:30] <Jucato> ehehe! it just took me... um.. a few seconds after you asked? :-D
[09:30] <chx> Jucato: i mean, i mailed a ton of those companies
[09:31] <chx> Jucato: most of them is... so to say... sub-par :(
[09:31] <Jucato> even that Karl Deutsch?
[09:31] <chx> that one does not answer my emails
[09:31] <Jucato> oh... well you can also try what nixternl said. I think Canonical provides global support?
[09:32] <chx> seems a bit brutal to pay $250 to fix colors
[09:32] <chx> no matter what i do
[09:32] <Jucato> oh
[09:32] <chx> kopete chat window colors does not change :(
[09:32] <Jucato> which ones?
[09:33] <Jucato> which colors?
[09:33] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/next.png
[09:33] <chx> and the peach theme does not change the menu bar colors :(
[09:34] <Jucato> Jack12: it always asks for your password, or asks your permission when an application/web page is trying to access the wallet?
[09:34] <Jucato> nixternal: lol!
[09:34] <nixternal> next
[09:34] <chx> Jucato: where the other party times his messages
[09:34] <chx> i have all formatting overrides ticked
[09:35] <chx> not as it matters anyways
[09:35] <Jucato> chx: have you tried asking in the forums? the are also mailing lists, local support groups, etc?
[09:35] <chx> yes and no answers
[09:35] <chx> i might try again this is a new kopete version
[09:35] <Jucato> nixternal: one thing missing from KWord, though, is saving/exporting in MS .doc format, iirc
[09:36] <chx> it's also interesting that peach does not change the menu bar background color
[09:36] <chx> while media peach does
[09:36] <nixternal> save to the OASIS format
[09:36] <chx> sucks
[09:36] <mkquist> no wine users huh?
[09:36] <nixternal> MS reads OASIS like a champ
[09:36] <Jucato> chx: do you have a screenshot?
[09:36] <nixternal> and the formating as well
[09:36] <Jucato> aaah
[09:36] <chx> oh
[09:37] <chx> peach solved
[09:37] <chx> !!
[09:37] <chx> i was tackling this for months
[09:37] <chx> it's button background
[09:37] <Jucato> chx ehehe
[09:37] <chx> very logical, i tell ya
[09:37] <chx> there are no buttons
[09:37] <chx> and yet this button background
[09:37] <chx> *sigh*
[09:37] <Jucato> nixternal: I though they said the MS Plugin for ODF wasn't good
[09:38] <Jucato> chx: I have no idea about that peach thingy... I haven't seen/used it. sorry...
[09:39] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, just because I don't want to disturb the guys at *-devel, this morning, I had 4 guidance-power-manager in my system tray when I logged in (Edgy)
[09:39] <Jucato> and with that, I bid you good night! (thought you were going...)
[09:44] <Diuneimama> hi everyone. i nid help in installing realplayer
[09:46] <Ashex> what trouble are you having?
[09:46] <Ashex> !realplayer
[09:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:46] <Jucato> or this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[09:46] <chx> ksnapshot crashes my kwin
[09:46] <Diuneimama> - Ensure that the .bin file you downloaded is executable. You can make the .bin file executable by running the "chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin" command from a terminal window.
[09:46] <Jucato> hold on, isn't Real Player also available in the commrecial channel/repository?
[09:47] <Diuneimama> wat does this means? i read it from the guide of installing
[09:47] <Jucato> chx: yikes! that's not supposed to happen...
[09:47] <chx> so i can't provide you  with a screenshot
[09:47] <Ashex> Diuneimama, exactly what it says
[09:47] <Jucato> run the command "chmod a+x RealPlayer10Gold.bin" in Konsole
[09:47] <Diuneimama> which site should i go?
[09:47] <chx> whenever i create a 'region' shot after i release the sizing rectnagle -- kwin crash
[09:47] <Diuneimama> Jucato u mean type in chmod a+x RealPlayer10Gold.bin ?
[09:48] <Ashex> yup
[09:48] <Jucato> yes. be sure to be in the directory where you downloaded it
[09:48] <Diuneimama> it dun works
[09:48] <Ashex> what's the error?
[09:48] <Diuneimama> no such file or directory
[09:48] <Jucato> Diuneimama: or "chmod a+x <whatever_the_name_of_the_installer_you_downloaded_is.bin>"
[09:49] <Ashex> hooboy, here we go
[09:49] <Jucato> ???
[09:49] <Diuneimama> but i type ls
[09:49] <Diuneimama> its show realplayer10gold.bin inside of it
[09:49] <Jucato> chx: does it crash when you just choose "Window under cursor"?
[09:49] <Jucato> Diuneimama: then type "chmod a+x realplayer10gold.bin"
[09:49] <Jucato> Linux is case sensitive
[09:50] <Diuneimama> it change to a " >"
[09:50] <Diuneimama> wat does it means
[09:50] <Jucato> no. don't type the "<" or ">"....
[09:50] <Jucato> "chmod a+x realplayer10gold.bin"
[09:51] <Jucato> don't type the quotes
[09:51] <Diuneimama> ok
[09:52] <Diuneimama> chmod : cannot access 'realplayer10gold.bin' : no such file or directory
[09:52] <Jucato> brb
[09:54] <Ashex> Diuneimama, apparently the file you have is named differently
[09:54] <Ashex> type it in EXACTLY as it appears
[09:54] <Ashex> so, chmod a+x yourfile.bin
[09:55] <aliasfred> check it is in the current directory too :)
[09:55] <Diuneimama> i type ls its say real... is in there
[09:56] <Diuneimama> or  where should i put the files before typing in the chmod stuff
[09:56] <romeo> i m having probleems downloading with easyubuntu anybody know if the server iis down?
[09:57] <romeo> apt-get  -o=dir::etc=./conf -o=dir::etc::sourcelist=sources.list update
[09:57] <romeo> apt-get  -o=dir::etc=./conf -o=dir::etc::sourcelist=sources.list --yes --allow-unauthenticated  install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad libxine-extracodecs libxine-main1 faad sox lame ffmpeg mjpegtools vorbis-tools libxvidcore4 gstreamer0.10-pitfdll w32codecs libdvdcss2 timidity timidity-interfaces-extra freepats flashplugin-nonfr
[09:57] <romeo> e-mozilla skype rar unace p7zip msttcorefonts gsfonts-x11 xfonts-intl-european nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[09:57] <romeo> update-flashplugin
[09:58] <romeo> does anybody know if the esayubuntu server is down?
[09:58] <Ashex> !pastebin > romeo
[10:00] <thomas> anyone knows how to stop a failed shutdown on a remote machine? it had a powercut before the shutdown counter had come to zero, now i can't easily login, i get the message that the machine will be shut down...yesterday ^^
[10:01] <word|sleep> thomaz ctrl+esc i think it's a process called shutdown o.O
[10:02] <thomas> this works throug ssh?
[10:02] <word|sleep> thomas: ^
[10:02] <word|sleep> through ssh no...
[10:02] <romeo> can someone link me to the easyubunto irc?
[10:02] <romeo> please
[10:02] <thomas> hmm then i need to call my mother :P
[10:02] <word|sleep> read the remote machine part but when it came to thinking it didn't compute ><
[10:02] <thomas> thx, word|sleep
[10:02] <word|sleep> np g'nite
[10:04] <romeo> can someone link me to the easyubunto irc?
[10:04] <romeo> please
[10:04] <Psychobudgie> has anyone had issues with mplayerplug-in locking firefox while playing qt media on some sites?
[10:05] <Psychobudgie> video continues to play but firefox won't respond until the movie finishes playing and the plugin stops responding also
[10:06] <Ashex> !realplayer
[10:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:07] <Psychobudgie> if the answer was there I wouldn't be asking here
[10:15] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:42] <redondo81> Hi boys,Ihave a problem...at the startup linux gives me an error :"File system check failed.Please repair manually.I don't know what to do,I try to lunch fsck,but the error remain
[10:43] <abattoir> redondo81: what is the filesystem type?
[10:43] <redondo81> I have 3 partition, one ext3 with linux, one ntfs witnh windows xp and one fat32 for the dates
[10:44] <abattoir> redondo81: and the error message is for..?
[10:44] <redondo81> I dont know, it doesn't tell me
[10:44] <abattoir> redondo81: are you able to boot into your ext3-root system?
[10:44] <redondo81> I think for the ntfs...bt I'm not sure
[10:45] <magical_trevsky> hi, my kubuntu system just failed a file system check and won't boot, i'm on the live cd now.. is it possible to mount it from here to rescue any files?
[10:45] <redondo81> yes yes, if I press ctrl -d it jumps the fsck check and run linux normally
[10:46] <ninHer> hi all
[10:47] <magical_trevsky> or is there anyway to skip the filesystem check on boot?
[10:47] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: yes, you can try mounting it
[10:48] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: waht filesystem is this?
[10:48] <abattoir> *what
[10:48] <abattoir> **which ;)
[10:48] <|lostbyte|> Any one know which company maked gefroce cards with sis chipset ?
[10:48] <|lostbyte|> makes*
[10:49] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: ext3.. i just found a tutorial to get it mounted in the live cd and it works, but do you know how i could save my system and boot it normally?
[10:49] <vandenoever> where can i get cmake 2.4.2 for kubuntu?
[10:50] <vandenoever> or even 2.4.3 :-)
[10:50] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: does it fail always? now that it seems to have been mounted successfully, can you try restarting?
[10:50] <abattoir> vandenoever: dapper?
[10:51] <magical_trevsky> abattoir:  yeah, i just have one file i need to rescue first :p seeing as the volume seems to be ok, is there anyway to skip the check next time i boot?
[10:51] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: well, i guess you can mod /etc/fstab, but not sure if it is recommended...
[10:51] <vandenoever> abattoir: yes
[10:52] <abattoir> vandenoever: there is a package for edgy... but i dont know if it depends on other packages found only in edgy
[10:52] <abattoir> !info cmake edgy
[10:52] <ubotu> cmake: A cross-platform, open-source make system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.3-1 (edgy), package size 4980 kB, installed size 11840 kB
[10:52] <vandenoever> abattoir: i dont think it has dependencies
[10:52] <vandenoever> how can i tell dapper to use that?
[10:53] <abattoir> vandenoever: ok, then try getting it from packages.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <vandenoever> abattoir: just download the deb?
[10:53] <darius> bonjour a tout le monde
[10:53] <vandenoever> abattoir: well, it might depend on the gcc it was built with
[10:53] <abattoir> vandenoever: yes... if it doesnt have any dependencies... or isnt compiled against something edgy specific, installing it should go fine...
[10:53] <abattoir> !fr
[10:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:53] <darius> je cherche quelqu'un qui pourrai m'aider
[10:53] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: what would i do to change the fstab?
[10:54] <darius> il y a des franais ii svp ou quelqu'un qui parle franais
[10:54] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: the last option in the line for your root fs(<dump>).... it should be 1, try changing it to 0
[10:54] <abattoir> !fr > darius
[10:55] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: it's a 0 at the moment
[10:55] <abattoir> vandenoever: or you could try getting one from packages.debian.org...
[10:55] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:55] <vandenoever> ok, i'll try that if it fails
[10:55] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: are you looking at the fstab of the livecd or the one in your root fs?
[10:55] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: of my root fs
[10:56] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: the last option is 1 :)
[10:56] <abattoir> change it to 0
[10:56] <magical_trevsky> mkay, and that'll prevent the check?
[10:56] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: theoretically, yes
[10:57] <magical_trevsky> ok :D
[10:57] <magical_trevsky> btw, to edit fstab, i use the sudo of the live cd, yeah.. or will that give permissions errors and stuff?
[10:57] <vandenoever> abattoir: yep libc6 problem
[10:58] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: dont think it'd give you permission errors if you used sudo
[10:58] <abattoir> vandenoever: aah, ok... you dont want to compile it yourself?
[10:58] <magical_trevsky> but i mean editing it as a user called ubuntu-live or whatever it is won't cause any problems when my username on the root fs is simon, right?
[10:59] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: no, it should work fine...
[11:00] <vandenoever> abattoir: debian testing also doesnt work
[11:00] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: ok, guess it's time to reboot!  wish me luck :p
[11:00] <vandenoever> given that the new kde has cmake as a dependency, this is strange
[11:00] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: it'll work, dont worry ;)
[11:05] <tobstarr> hi
[11:06] <magical_trevsky> abattoir, it worked, thank you so much :D
[11:06] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: cool :)
[11:08] <tobstarr> somehow i can not use my keabord in kde any more?
[11:09] <tobstarr> i can use it at the kdm login and in failsafe mode
[11:10] <tobstarr> when i rename my .kde folder everything is fine
[11:10] <afd_> hi guys! I've got ubuntu on my laptop and I'm trying kde, but I can't get the sound to work at all (although it works on gnome, including volume control keys). Any pointers?
[11:11] <abattoir> tobstarr: did you change your keyboard layout or something?
[11:11] <tobstarr> abattoir: no, i didn't
[11:12] <abattoir> afd_: do you say this because amarok doesnt play mp3 files... by any chance?
[11:12] <abattoir> afd_: also, you could check the mixer(kmix), to see if everything is un-muted
[11:12] <afd_> btw, noatun and amarok seem to play stuff, so I think it's a matter of volume control. I've seen that kmilo is in charge of key controls on laptops, but I don't know where to start with it
[11:12] <afd_> abattoir: I've checked kmix and amarok can play mp3s in gnome
[11:13] <afd_> playing an alert sound from the control applet for system notifications doesn't work either
[11:13] <abattoir> tobstarr: you can try changing back to default options in Kcontrol->Regional and acc. -> Keyboard.. to see if that helps
[11:13] <tobstarr> i tried that
[11:14] <tobstarr> i just changed something in the keyboard layout
[11:14] <tobstarr> brb
[11:14] <abattoir> afd_: could you try 'aplay k3b_error1.wav' in the cli...
[11:15] <afd_> abattoir: actually, I can get no sound, even from xmms
[11:15] <afd_> ok, I'll try
[11:15] <afd_> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[11:15] <afd_> aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[11:15] <afd_> suckish
[11:16] <afd_> what can I do in this case?
[11:18] <abattoir> afd_: did you log out of gnome and log into kde now?
[11:19] <afd_> abattoir: was like this: gnome, install kde, login to kde, no sound, login to gnome, the sound was on mute, put the sound to max, logout, login to kde, no sound
[11:19] <afd_> don't tell me I should reboot :)
[11:20] <abattoir> afd_: well, you could try  :P
[11:20] <abattoir> afd_: try 'sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp'
[11:21] <abattoir> afd_: that should tell you which process is using the sound device
[11:22] <abattoir> 'sudo fuser -vki /dev/dsp' should give you an option to kill it if you want to
[11:22] <afd_> abattoir: realplayer, I've killed it, let me see if I can make some progress. mpg123 can now play, no longer complains about device, but I still get no sound
[11:23] <thomas> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8499.0
[11:28] <afd_> btw, is there a way to configure default aplications? like what to launch for web browsing?
[11:28] <Martijn81> afd_: yeah, via konqueror settings
[11:29] <Martijn81> sections file association
[11:29] <Martijn81> -s
[11:31] <Polioincornholio> Hey
[11:31] <Martijn81> hi Polioincornholio
[11:31] <Polioincornholio> is there a reason why my computer doesn't reccommend the command sudo gedit?
[11:32] <Polioincornholio> Hey Martijn81
[11:32] <Chousuke> use gksudo
[11:32] <Polioincornholio> ok
[11:32] <Martijn81> launching gui always with gksudo or kdesu
[11:32] <Martijn81> depending of whether you use gnome or kde
[11:32] <abattoir> Polioincornholio: or try kate instead of gedit, if you are running kubuntu :)
[11:33] <Martijn81> if you need sudo off course..
[11:33] <Polioincornholio> so i want to do sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> instead i do...?
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> i'm running kde
[11:34] <Martijn81> gksudo gedit /etc/...
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> aha
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> thanks
[11:34] <Martijn81> then kdesu kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> if the first doesn't work?
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> oh
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> i see
[11:35] <Martijn81> nope, kdesu for KDE and gksudo for gnome
[11:36] <ocjeunesse> salut
[11:36] <afd_> Martijn81: which mimetype I should change to associate http:// links to konqueror?
[11:36] <ocjeunesse> je recherche le serveur kubuntu .fr ou ubuntu.fr merci
[11:37] <tonatiuh> fer?
[11:37] <fernanda> hola
[11:38] <tonatiuh> http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=8908
[11:38] <tonatiuh> fer entra en ese foro
[11:38] <tonatiuh> ahi dice como hacer para conectarte con el hamachi
[11:38] <tonatiuh> y con el sking ghamachi
[11:39] <abattoir> !fr
[11:39] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:39] <abattoir> !es
[11:39] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:39] <tonatiuh> ok ya vamos a kubuntu.es
[11:39] <ocjeunesse> merci
[11:39] <Martijn81> afd_: for a protocol, that's a different location, i though you wanted to do some setting on *.html files. For the protocol setting you have to go to system settings
[11:40] <Martijn81> afd_: in KDE components
[11:40] <abattoir> afd_: kcontrol->kde components->Default apps.->Web browser
[11:41] <afd_> abattoir: Martijn81, found it, thanks
[11:41] <Martijn81> yeah, these are tuff to explain when you run a Dutch version of KDE
[11:44] <afd_> where can I configure default behaviour for middle click in konqueror?
[11:44] <afd_> (hope I'm not abusing the channel)
[11:45] <jiger> hello can anyone tell me how to execute hdparam on boot?
[11:46] <jiger> hdparm
[11:46] <thomas> is it possible to restart X server from the command line?
[11:46] <vandenoever> thomas: /etc/init.d/xdm restart
[11:46] <vandenoever> thomas: why not use ctrl-alt-backspace?
[11:46] <thomas> thx vandenoever
[11:47] <thomas> because, it is from ssh login, my graphic desktop is frozen :S
[11:47] <vandenoever> ah
[11:47] <Polioincornholio> does anyone know what the kubuntu dapper alternative to /etc/iftab/ is
[11:48] <thomas> vandenoever: i dont have xdm...should it be kdm instead?
[11:48] <flaccid> ne1 know what this is when i do ./configure? checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:49] <GeneralZod> flaccid:Try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:49] <flaccid> thanks mate
[11:49] <marcus> hi
[11:49] <abattoir> thomas: yes, please substitute it w/ kdm
[11:49] <vandenoever> thomas: yes
[11:49] <marcus> need help about openGL and screensavers
[11:49] <thomas> does not work:
[11:50] <thomas> not responding to TERM signal (pid 4593).
[11:50] <abattoir> thomas: try prefixing 'sudo'
[11:50] <thomas> abbatoir: yes i did that :)
[11:50] <flaccid> thats going to help my dev lots
[11:50] <thomas> as in
[11:50] <thomas> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:51] <flaccid> i think thats the last thing for my conversion of fedora to kubuntu on my notebook
[11:51] <thomas> so next alternative must be sudo reboot then?
[11:53] <GeneralZod> thomas:Which process corresponds to 4593?
[11:53] <thomas> GeneralZod: that _was_ the Xorg i think
[11:54] <thomas> it is dead now, cause i rebooted it
[11:54] <GeneralZod> thomas:Ah, OK
[11:54] <Polioincornholio> Hey all, I'm following instructions here, attempting to set up a wireless dongle. Anyhow, I need to open up a file called iftab, which in the instructions, is supposed to be in /etc/ which it's not. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks
[11:55] <emonkey> Polioincornholio, /etc/iftab
[11:56] <emonkey> locate iftab
[11:59] <Polioincornholio> thanks emonkey
[12:00] <flaccid> gui or cli to turn services on or off for startup?
[12:00] <flaccid> chkconfig or something?
[12:05] <Database> Ugh.
[12:05] <flaccid> !servicemanager
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about servicemanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <Database> Did the latest upgrades brak something in KDM?
[12:05] <Database> *break
[12:05] <flaccid> !runlevel
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <flaccid> oh ill just use kcontrol
[12:07] <fdoving> Database: in dapper?
[12:08] <Database> Yes.
[12:08] <Database> Yes, it's a fresh install of Dapper.
[12:08] <Database> Adept said there was 100+ upgrades, so I just shrugged and installed the lot.
[12:09] <Database> Now when I try and boot, it doesn't actually start KDE, just drops me into a (command-line) login screen
[12:10] <mkquist> database- when did u d/l the updates?
[12:10] <mkquist> database - cause it sounds like u got the update the broke x
[12:11] <aka_foley> how to mount for all the next time my ext3 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22311 it doesn't work
[12:11] <mkquist> database - on the site, theres instructions on the fix
[12:13] <aka_foley> please help me
[12:13] <Database> Could you give me a link, please, mkquist?
[12:13] <Database> Wassup AKA?
[12:14] <mkquist> database - gimme a sec
[12:14] <Database> Sure :D
[12:14] <ketsugi> Hm, Konversation 1.0 isn't in the repos yet
[12:14] <Jucato> :-D
[12:14] <insanekane> Database: look in /etc/inittab
[12:14] <aka_foley> how to mount the ext3 for ever
[12:14] <aka_foley> ?
[12:14] <Database> ..?
[12:14] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: hey
[12:15] <Database> Insanekane, you lost me.
[12:15] <Jucato> ketsugi: I think they're going to make it available in backports soon
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: which is the problem?
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: /media/hdb3 ?
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: /media/hdb1  rather
[12:15] <insanekane> Database: cat /etc/inittab
[12:15] <aka_foley> hdb1
[12:15] <Database> What will that do?
[12:15] <mkquist> database - http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue
[12:15] <insanekane> Database: then look at the very first non-commented line
[12:15] <Database> THanks.
[12:16] <flaccid> anybody know why i a may get this with ./configure checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:16] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: if you're going to mount it forever then I think it should be in /mnt/hdb1
[12:16] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: it doesn't matter
[12:16] <insanekane> flaccid: you should get the dev packages
[12:16] <Database> OK, I'm not having that problem...
[12:17] <flaccid> insanekane: which dev packages are those?
[12:17] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: so when you boot, it's not actually mounting it right?
[12:17] <Jucato> xorg-dev I think
[12:17] <Database> When I start my computer, I'm greeted with the second image, exactlly.
[12:17] <flaccid> thanks
[12:17] <aka_foley> i cant mount it anything
[12:17] <insanekane> flaccid: xserver-xorg-dev
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: do you know how to use Konsole ?
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: if you do, then open a Konsole, then type cat /etc/inittab ...
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: look for the first non-commented line ... something like id:2: ....
[12:18] <TeePOG> afternoon
[12:18] <fdoving> Database: when you boot you're greeted with the commandline, right?
[12:19] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what error do you get?
[12:19] <Database> Correct.
[12:19] <Database> Insanekane: I can't get that far.
[12:19] <flaccid> ty
[12:19] <aka_foley> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:19] <Database> And yes, I can use Konsole.
[12:19] <aka_foley> missing codepage or other error
[12:19] <aka_foley> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:19] <aka_foley> dmesg | tail or so
[12:19] <aka_foley> Bitte vergewissern Sie sich, dass das Gert korrekt angeschlossen ist.
[12:19] <insanekane> Database: oh you are in console ... right
[12:19] <Database> YEs
[12:19] <insanekane> Database: ok, then just login, and type cat /etc/inittab
[12:19] <Database> .http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=passwordb.png - I get that.
[12:20] <insanekane> Database: ok, then just login, and type cat /etc/inittab | less
[12:20] <Database> OK
[12:20] <insanekane> and look at the first few lines
[12:20] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what makes you think the hard disk is on /dev/hdb1   ?
[12:20] <insanekane> you should have a default runlevel of 2
[12:20] <Database> OK.
[12:20] <TeePOG> does anyone have an idea of the following: which groups should a user belong to if he wants to be able to login over the ltsp?
[12:20] <insanekane> Database: you should have a default runlevel of 2 ... something like id:2:initdefault:
[12:21] <aka_foley> i don't know i tjink media
[12:21] <fdoving> insanekane: i doubt it's the runlevels.
[12:21] <fdoving> Database: ok, can you paste the output line of 'apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' into the channel please?
[12:21] <insanekane> fdoving: why so ?
[12:21] <mkquist> !pastebin
[12:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:22] <fdoving> insanekane: does any app automagically change the default runlevel?
[12:22] <Database> fdoving: I can't, Linux isn't up at the moment.
[12:22] <fdoving> Database: ah.
[12:22] <Database> Sorry.
[12:22] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what is the partition? a hard disk you added?
[12:22] <insanekane> fdoving: well, this is a common issue ... so i belived it was the runlevels
[12:22] <aka_foley> yo
[12:23] <aka_foley> JohnFlux:yo
[12:23] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: are you sure it's ext3?
[12:23] <rascal999> I have deleted a directory, is there a way to undo this?
[12:23] <fdoving> insanekane: common runlevel issue in dapper? i've never heard of it though.. the problem i've heard of with x in dapper is the security update breaking x.
[12:23] <aka_foley> i think
[12:23] <k31th> will a du -ks /home/blah tell you home much is in there? INCLUDING the places it sym links to ?
[12:23] <JohnFlux> rascal999: not really.
[12:24] <aka_foley> i used qtparted
[12:24] <JohnFlux> rascal999: depends how badly you need it
[12:24] <rascal999> Fairly badly
[12:24] <fdoving> Database: do you have internet access while in the linux console?
[12:24] <mkquist> aka-foley - why ntfs?
[12:24] <JohnFlux> rascal999: ext2/3  ?
[12:24] <Database> fdoving: I do, yes.
[12:24] <rascal999> ext?
[12:24] <flaccid> one more ./configure error. checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! ... packages available?
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: that's probably a yes then
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: google for un deleting files in ext2
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: it's not easy
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: or reliable
[12:25] <fdoving> Database: then first, run 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10;sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[12:26] <rascal999> ok, what I did was used the adduser and set it to a home directory of the files the computer removed when I deleted the user from the users and groups menu
[12:26] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: go to media:/   in konqueror
[12:26] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: do you see the hard disk there
[12:26] <Database> Hm, OK.
[12:26] <aka_foley> i can see the hdd
[12:27] <oogie> can any one tell me what Crypto AP is?
[12:27] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: when you hover over the one you want, what device does it say ?
[12:27] <JohnFlux> oogie: google can
[12:27] <oogie> did that
[12:27] <JohnFlux> oogie: :-)
[12:27] <oogie> lol
[12:27] <oogie> gagle more like it
[12:27] <oogie> lol
[12:27] <aka_foley> there is nothing only 3,2G
[12:28] <oogie> how do i know if i have crypto installed?
[12:28] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what happens if you click on it?
[12:28] <fdoving> Database: if this is the problem i think it is, you should now get your KDM back. now, after you've got your KDM back, login to KDE and open Adept Manager, go to Manage Repositories, make sure you've got the 'dapper-updates' repository enabled. from the commandline run: 'sudo apt-get update;apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' it's safe to update if the versionnumber listed is ending with 10.4, if it ends with 10.3 it's a broken version from security.
[12:28] <heinkel_111> does anyone know where the monitor/screen settings at boot is configured?
[12:28] <oogie> config_crypto <- if i type that in the terminal, and its not a known command, then that means that i dont have crypto installed right?
[12:28] <Database> I installed/updated from a fresh reformat only this morning.
[12:29] <Database> But I'll try everything you give me ::P
[12:29] <fdoving> Database: if you enabled security repostories but not dapper-updates you might experience this problem.
[12:29] <aka_foley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22314
[12:30] <Database> I haven't been able to enable any repositories yet.
[12:30] <Database> I literially only just installed Dapper.
[12:31] <Database> But anyway, I'm gonna try it all.
[12:31] <fdoving> Database: ok, sounds strange, but please atleast login to linux and check 'apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' version ending with 10.3 is broken.
[12:31] <Database> I'll try all the advice :P
[12:31] <fdoving> Database: versions ending with 10 and 10.4 is good.
[12:31] <Database> OK.
[12:32] <Database> She's talking to me in another room.
[12:32] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: in fstab, change the ext3  to auto
[12:32] <Jucato> heh
[12:32] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: and try again
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey Database
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i *am*
[12:33] <Database> See, she's alive! :P
[12:33] <Database> :P
[12:34] <dhq> when i run startx i get somany errors one of them is screen found but no valid configuration please help me i cant login to the gui of kubuntu
[12:35] <dhq> Hawkwind: when i run startx i get somany errors one of them is screen found but no valid configuration please help me i cant login to the gui of kubuntu
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[12:36] <Database> Oh well, let's go to work. :P
[12:36] <Jucato> dhq: did you upgrade or install something before this happened?
[12:36] <dhq> Jucato: yes
[12:36] <Jucato> dhq: what was it?
[12:37] <dhq> well it was something to do with opengl
[12:37] <dhq> Jucato: it affected my xorg
[12:37] <Jucato> dhq: I mean upgrade or install?
[12:38] <dhq> well i did i upgrade ie a repotisary of opengl
[12:38] <dhq> other than that nothin
[12:38] <dhq> Jucato: anyhelp
[12:38] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: any luck?
[12:38] <Jucato> dhq: so you added a repository to your sources.list?
[12:39] <aka_foley> no
[12:39] <dhq> yes and upgraded it
[12:39] <fdoving> dhq: you can look at /var/log/dpkg.log to see what you installed.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: and it broke.  i'm not surprised.  you shouldnt add random repositories, as you get the problem you currently experience.
[12:39] <Jucato> hm... that's tricky...
[12:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: remove the repo, and try upgrading again
[12:39] <fdoving> might need some pinning to actually downgrade.
[12:40] <Jucato> (or uninstall whatever was uninstalled...)
[12:40] <dhq> Hobbsee: i removed it tried it again
[12:40] <dhq> i uninstall xserver also
[12:40] <Hobbsee> dhq: ouch.
[12:40] <Jucato> dhq: yikes? did you reinstall xserver?
[12:40] <dhq> i get this msg problem with displaydevice
[12:41] <Hobbsee> dhq: "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorgold.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[12:41] <Jucato> did he reinstall xserver? he said he removed it...
[12:42] <fdoving> dhq: what mirror do you use?
[12:42] <dhq> fdoving: de and all i guess
[12:43] <dhq> Hobbsee: will just try it an be back ok
[12:44] <Jucato> I forgot to tell him to try irssi... so he won't have to go back and forth...
[12:44] <Jucato> although he won't be able to copy-paste stuff..
[12:45] <kavit_> Jucato: he could use gpm for console mouse operations
[12:45] <Jucato> wow, didn't know about that...
[12:46] <flaccid> how can i do a ./configure and use the kde prefix option
[12:46] <kavit_> Jucato: dont know if (k)ubuntu supports it by default...i used it with slackware a lot back in the dayt
[12:46] <Jucato> aah
[12:46] <flaccid> is it just --prefix
[12:47] <fdoving> kavit_: it works if you install it.
[12:47] <ketsugi> Yay, new Konversation
[12:47] <Jucato> ketsugi: you compiled?
[12:47] <ketsugi> Yep
[12:47] <Jucato> heheh! 1.0 would have probably been in backports in a few days...
[12:48] <Jucato> oh well. :-D
[12:48] <ketsugi> *shrug*
[12:48] <fdoving> flaccid: --prefix=/usr should do, might need to specify qtdirs and such too.
[12:48] <ketsugi> This is easy to compile, so no biggie
[12:48] <ketsugi> Firefox 1.5.0.6, I'll wait for an official package
[12:48] <flaccid> fdoving: ty
[12:48] <kavit_> ketsugi: Firefox is a behemoth....
[12:49] <ketsugi> Yeah it's a pain to compile
[12:49] <fdoving> Database: so, results?
[12:50] <Database> I'm still trying to save the log to the other computer.
[12:50] <Database> I'll be back when I'm done :D
[12:50] <Database> Bye all/
[12:50] <fdoving> Database: if you have internet access from the console, the only thing you have to remember is 'apt-get install irssi-text' that will install a console irc client.
[12:51] <fdoving> ... .which will save alot of time and waste on rebooting and such.. :)
[12:52] <Jucato> fdoving: irssi is installed by default in Kubuntu.
[12:52] <flaccid> what is the kbuntu equiv of kdelibs-devel ?
[12:52] <fdoving> Jucato: ok, even better :)
[12:52] <fdoving> flaccid: kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <flaccid> thanks
[12:53] <flaccid> fdoving: is that what it is for dapper?
[12:53] <Jucato> fdoving: yeah. who would have thought... irssi is a helpful little critter :-D
[12:53] <ROBOd> hello
[12:53] <Jucato> flaccid: yes
[12:53] <flaccid> sweet
[12:54] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu and i like its theme, colors and icons. how can i configure kde to have the same colours and icons?
[12:54] <flaccid> hehe so many libs just to compile knetstats
[12:54] <ROBOd> plus a similar theme
[12:54] <fdoving> Jucato: i use irssi all the time :)
[12:54] <ROBOd> i have manually configured the colours and now i got kde to look similar to gnome. but the icons are still the kde ones
[12:54] <Jucato> ROBOd: you can try looking for similar icons,colors, themes in http://www.kde-look.org
[12:55] <ROBOd> thanks Jucato
[12:55] <Jucato> ROBOd: for reference, Ubuntu uses the Human theme
[12:55] <ROBOd> Jucato: i know of that
[12:55] <Jucato> so you could look for Human colors, Human icons, etc.
[12:55] <stewraz> hi guys, i am trying to play a video on a www (www.spikedhumor.com) i have installed the flash player correctly but i still cannot play
[12:55] <stewraz> are there any more packages i need
[12:56] <TeePOG> Jucato: that name has always struck me as absurd... I've never seen humans with icons
[12:56] <Jucato> TeePOG: hm....
[12:56] <Jucato> I have no idea why they decided to call it that...
[12:58] <gareth> steraz, what version of flash is the site using?
[12:58] <gareth> stewraw*
[12:59] <Jucato> gareth: you can use Tab completion to help you get the names right  :-D
[12:59] <gareth> i know, was being silly
[12:59] <GarethMB> divedive
[01:00] <Jucato> GarethMB: you're the Gareth Brown who reported the Katapult - Amarok bug?
[01:00] <GarethMB> Gareth Bowen yes
[01:00] <oogie> im having trpuble installing drivers lol
[01:00] <stewraz> gareth: how do i tel what version the site is using
[01:00] <GarethMB> when i remember how to log in
[01:00] <Jucato> rawr! sorry, bowen...
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did you find out what databases problem was?
[01:00] <GarethMB> link me to the video you are trying to watch
[01:01] <oogie> do i need to have crypto ap to install drivers/madwifi?
[01:01] <oogie> madwifi more lol
[01:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no. he left. dhq hasn't returned yet either
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, right.
[01:02] <goi> :D
[01:02] <goi> lol
[01:04] <Hobbsee> goi: madwifi drivers should be instaleld by default, or in linux-restricted-modules
[01:04] <stewraz> garath:
[01:04] <goi> it is...
[01:04] <stewraz> garath: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/25497/What_Happens_When_Japanese_Babies_Are_Born.html
[01:04] <stewraz> garath: thanks mate
[01:04] <goi> but i want newer drivers that include athctrl
[01:04] <kavit_> what is katapult?
[01:05] <Jucato> !katapult
[01:05] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[01:05] <flaccid> ah thats better
[01:05] <flaccid> knetstats installed
[01:05] <fdoving> Jucato: if dhq returns i suggest he puts http://rafb.net/paste/results/qyNzkI25.nln.html in his /etc/apt/preferences, and run 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' then remove the /etc/apt/preferences file, and re-run 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' (this is because the pin will also downgrade previous security updates too).
[01:06] <fdoving> have to go. later.
[01:06] <kavit_> ah ok.... all these nifty new gui stuff, i feel left out :(
[01:06] <Jucato> fdoving: sure, I'll pass on the message
[01:06] <Jucato> kavit_: it's been there for quite a while
[01:06] <stewraz> garath: thanks
[01:06] <Database> No dice
[01:06] <Database> Nothing qworked.
[01:07] <goi> where is the linux restricted modules located at?
[01:07] <goi> i had it already installed, but i got rid of the old ones, just to get athctrl in madwifi source
[01:08] <goi> im setting up a long distance link
[01:08] <goi> with a 2.4 ghz amplifier
[01:08] <goi> :D
[01:09] <goi> sheesh
[01:09] <Database> vev
[01:09] <Database> brb
[01:09] <goi> no one is talking
[01:10] <phreakys> hm
[01:10] <phreakys> hi
[01:10] <goi> ayyy
[01:10] <phreakys> ayyy
[01:10] <goi> help :|
[01:10] <goi> lol
[01:10] <phreakys> ;)
[01:10] <phreakys> troubles?
[01:10] <goi> i need to end my 6 day journey on installing drivers!
[01:11] <phreakys> let me guess...you're messing with compiz/xgl?
[01:11] <goi> i ono
[01:11] <goi> am n00b
[01:11] <goi> lol
[01:11] <goi> madwifi
[01:11] <phreakys> heh, me too
[01:11] <goi> no on is talking in tha channel so lol
[01:11] <phreakys> no wireless support?
[01:11] <goi> i had it installed already
[01:12] <goi> worked and everything
[01:12] <goi> i need new ones
[01:12] <Hobbsee> goi: it's in the repositories...
[01:12] <phreakys> new what?
[01:12] <goi> drivers
[01:12] <goi> that include athctrl
[01:12] <phreakys> guess you need to install those manually then
[01:12] <goi> i do
[01:12] <phreakys> the repos aren't that new anyway
[01:12] <goi> lol
[01:12] <goi> i know
[01:13] <phreakys> i just installed aircrack. wlan hacker
[01:13] <phreakys> you might wanna add that too
[01:13] <goi> i got that
[01:13] <goi> how do i change the ack time thing, with out athctrl?
[01:14] <phreakys> im not into that app sorry
[01:14] <goi> gah
[01:14] <phreakys> just installed java, busy with bluej stuff
[01:14] <phreakys> school is starting again ;(
[01:14] <phreakys> but...xgl works! :-)
[01:14] <goi> well ill just have wait till im 50 :'(
[01:14] <goi> lol
[01:15] <phreakys> heh
[01:15] <goi> isnt there an auto package or and auto installer for ubuntu-like distros?
[01:16] <phreakys> try to search for rpm/or deb maybe
[01:16] <phreakys> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:16] <phreakys> or:
[01:16] <phreakys> sudo alien package.rpm
[01:16] <Jucato> !gdb > Jucato
[01:17] <phreakys> wohooo
[01:17] <phreakys> country day here
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !gdb
[01:17] <ubotu> gdb: The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.4-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 2636 kB, installed size 5384 kB
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !gdb edgy
[01:17] <ubotu> gdb: The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.4.90.dfsg-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2226 kB, installed size 4976 kB
[01:17] <Hobbsee> nice
[01:18] <phreakys> hm
[01:18] <phreakys> i just installed stellarium(stars and meteor stuff software)
[01:18] <phreakys> but the fonts are screwed in xgl
[01:19] <phreakys> tried it under a normal x-session, but then its slow
[01:19] <phreakys> with fonts normal
[01:20] <phreakys> wonder...
[01:21] <phreakys> is there some kind of login app that makes the login go like on windoze?
[01:21] <phreakys> like clicking the user, and enter the pw
[01:21] <phreakys> instead of typing user
[01:21] <Mehercle> it is possible on ubuntu
[01:21] <Mehercle> with gdm
[01:21] <phreakys> not on kde?
[01:21] <Mehercle> i don't know....
[01:21] <Jucato> phreakys: I think that depends on the KDM Theme being used. but if you disable the KDM theme, you can used the default Login used by KDE
[01:22] <Jucato> the default Login screen has what you are looking for
[01:22] <phreakys> hm
[01:22] <phreakys> checking
[01:22] <Jucato> phreakys: to disable the KDM theme, you can either edit a config file, or install "kdmtheme" to make it easier to disable/enable KDM themes or to add/remove themes
[01:23] <phreakys> aight thanks :D
[01:24] <Mehercle> thx Jucato
[01:24] <Jucato> no problem
[01:25] <Jucato> you can also associate a picture with each user if you use the default Login screen. The settings are in System Settings > Login Manager
[01:25] <flaccid> i get this when installing packages with apt-get DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 2 during global destruction. after its fetched
[01:25] <flaccid> any ideas?
[01:25] <bobalamer> Hi everybody
[01:25] <Mehercle> same here
[01:26] <Mehercle> and Failed to open device
[01:26] <goi> Im just gonna Re-install kubuntu Just to get my drivers back
[01:26] <Mehercle> flaccid: annoying, not?
[01:26] <goi> Let Me ask, i have athctrl.c , how do i make it... work?
[01:26] <goi> install it i mean
[01:27] <flaccid> doesn't appear to have an effect
[01:27] <bobalamer> i'm trying to use teamspeak with an usb headphone mic from plantronic and i do manage to record sound but i'm not hearing it. any clue ?
[01:28] <goi> bad drivers xD
[01:28] <flaccid> what is the common program to rip cds into ogg vorb?
[01:28] <bobalamer> flaccid:  grip is nice
[01:28] <flaccid> cool
[01:29] <goi> omg
[01:29] <Database> grip...
[01:29] <goi> i can only talk to a bot in madwifi channel
[01:29] <goi> no one talks right now
[01:30] <Lynoure> Is there a trigk for deleting photos when viewing them in konqueror or does one always need to go to the directory view?
[01:30] <phreakys> heh
[01:30] <phreakys> nice support ey?
[01:30] <Lynoure> flaccid: k3b is not bad either
[01:31] <flaccid> oh that rips cool
[01:31] <Jucato> flaccid: Konqueror rips, too. iirc
[01:33] <Lynoure> flaccid: sorry, mistyped
[01:33] <tRSS> my usb drive should be detected automatically, when I plug it in, but that is not happening, is there a way to mount it manually?
[01:33] <Lynoure> flaccid: I meant kAudioCreator
[01:33] <phreakys> which style should i choose to have logos instead of user entry fields?
[01:33] <bobalamer> i'm trying to use teamspeak with an usb headphone mic from plantronic and i do manage to record sound but i'm not hearing it. any clue ?
[01:34] <Jucato> phreakys: did you disable KDM themes already?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: does it show you up as muted?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: you need to disable kde sound, and restart teamspeak.  there is another way, but i've forgotten it
[01:34] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  in gamix i appear not mute
[01:35] <phreakys> no, no idea how to do :/
[01:35] <flaccid> ta
[01:35] <Jucato> rawr!
[01:35] <phreakys> only thing i can do is select a theme or change some settings
[01:35] <NotSure> is there a faq for setting up a printer in kubuntu 6.06?
[01:36] <phreakys> hm, ill try some settings brb
[01:36] <NotSure> i can't seem to find the drivers for a lexmark z32 printer
[01:36] <Jucato> phreakys: where are you doing that? in KDM Theme Manager or in Login Manager?
[01:36] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  when i do  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1 i do hear sound in the headphone
[01:36] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: iirc, teamspeak uses oss, where you can only have one input at a time.
[01:37] <Martijn81> grip is nice, but it needs an audio cable from the drive to the motherbord, it doesn't work without. Might be interesting to know for people who like to try it out
[01:38] <dhq> Hobbsee: hey
[01:38] <Hobbsee> dhq: heya
[01:38] <dhq> with /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:38] <dhq> it worked
[01:38] <Jucato> then, everything's fine now?
[01:39] <dhq> but when i restart again i have to do the same command
[01:39] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  i wanted to use the other soundcard i have to play the sound from the game while using the usb "soundcard" for teamspeak
[01:39] <dhq> startx dosntwork
[01:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: weird.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !doesntwork
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesntwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <Hobbsee> bah.  they took it out
[01:39] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: point.  there is a way, i just dont remember what it is, sorry
[01:39] <Jucato> dhq: message from fdoving: Jucato: if dhq returns i suggest he puts http://rafb.net/paste/results/qyNzkI25.nln.html in his /etc/apt/preferences, and run 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' then remove the /etc/apt/preferences file, and re-run 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' (this is because the pin will also downgrade previous security updates too).
[01:40] <dhq> Hobbsee: i guess i have to put that service to restart when kubuntu starts
[01:41] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  ok thanks that's too bad i'll post the question un ubuntu forum
[01:41] <richard__> Anyone running Edgy Knot 2?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: google would get you a quicker answer, or searching the forum.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> richard__: yes
[01:42] <richard__> What you think?
[01:42] <Jucato> richard__: me too, but I'm on Dapper now. eheheh
[01:42] <Jucato> richard__: too early to say anything final
[01:42] <Jucato> but it's coming along nicely
[01:42] <Database> ;)
[01:42] <Jucato> lol
[01:42] <Jucato> powerplay...
[01:42] <richard__> I'm running it now, some small bugs but overall looks and runs good I feel. . .
[01:43] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  already tried that but it must be well hidden deep inside a thead about teamspeak
[01:43] <Jucato> richard__: it's bound to have some bugs and unfinished stuff... it's still Knot 2 :-D
[01:43] <Jucato> it's knot yet finished...
[01:43] <Jucato> darn! this is jdong's fault....
[01:43] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: quite likely.  dev team used it a bit a while ago,b ut i've forgotten
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what is?
[01:43] <Jucato> the knot puns...
[01:44] <richard__> I know. . . .but none-the-less its got all the latest stuff and I put synaptic on my system and got some software loaded that isn't typically in the standard repositories also. . .
[01:44] <Hobbsee> Database: :P
[01:44] <bobalamer> ok thank's
[01:47] <luke> heya, how can i play an xvid .avi in kaffeine?
[01:49] <luke> heya, how can i play an xvid .avi in kaffeine?
[01:49] <Jucato> luke: install "libxine-extracodecs"
[01:49] <luke> jucato: thanks
[01:50] <Jucato> you need to enable the "multiverse" repository to get that.Need to enable "universe" and/or "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:50] <luke> already have, but thanks for the help =)
[01:52] <phreakys> hm
[01:52] <luke> awesome it worked, thanks again jucato!
[01:52] <phreakys> got javabeans
[01:52] <Jucato> luke: no problem
[01:52] <phreakys> wonder if its possible to read a fat partition from linux?
[01:53] <Jucato> FAT32? yes definitely
[01:53] <Jucato> read and write
[01:53] <phreakys> nice
[01:53] <phreakys> !fat32
[01:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[01:53] <Jucato> NTFS is read only. you can write, but at your own risk :-D
[01:53] <phreakys> hehe
[01:53] <phreakys> np, its only fat32 external drive
[01:54] <Jucato> aah. then yes, it's going to be fine?
[01:54] <Jucato> err.. fine. no question mark
[01:54] <phreakys> hope so :)
[01:54] <phreakys> arg
[01:54] <phreakys> its ntfs
[01:55] <phreakys> *dang*
[01:55] <Jucato> :-p
[01:55] <Jucato> too bad... :-(
[01:57] <aliasfred> !ntfs
[01:57] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[01:57] <aliasfred> hmm i remember some stuff able to read/write on ntfs
[01:57] <aliasfred> using window dll
[01:58] <Martijn81> native dll's are evil
[01:58] <Jucato> rawr! eheheh
[01:58] <phreakys> :-)
[01:58] <ubuntu> I just had a thought...
[01:59] <ubuntu> .nick Database
[01:59] <Database> I'd changed the display settings after I upgraded.
[01:59] <aliasfred> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_Captive_approach and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_%28DOS%2C_FAT%2C_NTFS%29 was what i remembered
[02:00] <aliasfred> http://linux-ntfs.org/ is about this too
[02:01] <aliasfred> would be nice to put those in the bot
[02:01] <Jucato> and that ntfs-3g thing. but they're all still... not yet stable? but usable
[02:02] <aliasfred> i dunno how stable it is, but i guess those info would be usefull to some users. as using their window partitions is important to them :)
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Captive is sorta usable and stable..at 512 bytes per second
[02:06] <aliasfred> so you say captive solution is slow, what about the libntfs stuff ?
[02:07] <aliasfred> (apparently ntfs-3g is like a fork or a mega patch of libntfs. from http://www.linux-ntfs.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
[02:07] <Database> Yes.
[02:08] <EvilIdler> I've only tried Captive, but fuse is newer and supposedly working for read and write.
[02:08] <EvilIdler> If you onlu need to read, you can use built-in NTFS support.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> My NIC is not connecting anywhere - gigabit network card with an RTL8169/8110s chipset that I've been trying to get working for days now.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> It works in two other computers here - my fileserver has the exact same card.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> The server is also running Ubuntu
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !info amarok-arts dapper
[02:19] <ubotu> amarok-arts: aRts engine for the amaroK audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 59 kB, installed size 280 kB
[02:19] <Jucato> hm... forgot to check backports for Kopete again
[02:20] <Jucato> nope, still not there. Maybe they're going to release Kopete and Konvi at the same time?
[02:21] <EvilIdler> Gah, starting to suspect a broken motherboard/PCI slots here :/
[02:22] <ubuntu> hello every body
[02:25] <Jucato> hi
[02:26] <flaccid> i change settings for kdm in kcontrol and they don't appear to all come through
[02:26] <flaccid> is there a file kubuntu is overwriting?
[02:27] <Jucato> flaccid: i was asking you whether the settings you changed were in "KDM THemen Manager" or in "Login Manager" in KControl or System Settings
[02:27] <Jucato> What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[02:28] <Jucato> hmm...
[02:28] <Jucato> flaccid: sorry about that.
[02:28] <Jucato> s/ Themen/ Theme
[02:29] <Jucato> flaccid: the settings in "Login Manager" won't take effect or be seen if KDM is still using a theme
[02:29] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:29] <flaccid> how do i not use a theme for kdm?
[02:29] <Jucato> and KDM themes can only be disabled or enabled by editing a config file or by installing "kdmtheme" so that a KDM Theme Manager option would be added in KControl
[02:30] <flaccid> ok i install it
[02:30] <gan|y|med> access to my firewire harddisk (copying) gives me 25 mb/s on the fat32 partition, but only 1.5 mb/s on the reiserfs and the ext2 partition. why?
[02:31] <Fade> gan|y|med: look at what's happening with iostat
[02:31] <Fade> it is in the systat package.
[02:31] <gan|y|med> Fade: how do i do that?
[02:32] <Fade> sysstat, sorry.
[02:32] <Fade> well, you install sysstat pacakge , kick off a file transfer to your firewire disk, and then in another terminal start iostat
[02:33] <Fade> like this: iostat 1
[02:33] <Fade> and it will update every second. the stats will show you what the system knows about the iostate of the kernel.
[02:34] <gan|y|med> what shall i look at?
[02:34] <Fade> well, it'll tell you what the processor is spending its time doing.
[02:35] <Fade> it'll give the breakdown of the %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle
[02:35] <Fade> I suspect the relevant statistic is iowait.
[02:35] <Fade> is the system heavily loaded?
[02:35] <gan|y|med> no
[02:36] <Fade> I've never seen ext2 underperform fat32 on any disk. :)
[02:36] <gan|y|med> iowait is 88,89 % for reiserfs and 34,00 % for fat32
[02:36] <gan|y|med> ?
[02:37] <Fade> what is the relative throughput on reiser?
[02:37] <database> OK, I found the problem.
[02:37] <gan|y|med> which ine is it?
[02:38] <gan|y|med> one
[02:38] <gan|y|med> Blk_wrtn/s ?
[02:38] <database> My problem was caused by trying to set up both screens properly.
[02:38] <Fade> well, it'll measure blks/second read and right underneath the cpureport.
[02:38] <Fade> s/right/write
[02:38] <Fade> are you writing or reading?
[02:39] <gan|y|med> write to the reiserfs and the fat32 on the ieee device from a reiserfs (for both)
[02:39] <database> When dual-screening instead of cloning, KDM's GUI won't start, and switching sessions to the X server won't work.
[02:39] <Fade> if you start it with the -m option it will show the throughput in megabytes/sec
[02:39] <Fade> for each partition.
[02:40] <Fade> has anybody noticed that amarok is broken on a recent update in dapper?
[02:41] <gan|y|med> okay, it happens only in the direction hda to sda. sda to hda works with 25mb/s
[02:41] <Fade> my guess is that your ide controller isn't all it should be. :)
[02:41] <Fade> or the driver for it.
[02:42] <gan|y|med> and now?
[02:43] <Fade> is dma turned on for hda?
[02:43] <gan|y|med> yes. and i don't have any problem copying things within the hda partitions
[02:44] <gan|y|med> go to #paste to see my hdparm output
[02:45] <SonicChao> repaste?
[02:45] <SonicChao> I just joined, gan|y|med
[02:46] <gan|y|med> so i can read from sda without problems, but i cannot write to it
[02:47] <SonicChao> Hm...
[02:48] <gan|y|med> Fade: any idea?
[02:50] <Fade> you're going to have to google for your setup and see if anybody else has reported anything similar.
[02:50] <gan|y|med> I#ll do
[02:50] <gan|y|med> any other idea what it could be
[02:50] <Fade> check the mount options
[02:50] <gan|y|med> what is noatime?
[02:51] <Fade> by default reiser is quite conservative.
[02:51] <gan|y|med> but the same for ext2?
[02:51] <Fade> no
[02:51] <gan|y|med> for reiser and for ext2 the options in fstab are: defaults,noauto,rw,exec,sync,user
[02:52] <Fade> take the 'sync' option out
[02:52] <gan|y|med> but then i could lose data
[02:52] <Fade> with a journaled filesystem the odds of that are long indeed, but this is just an experiment.
[02:52] <Fade> you shouldn't be using ext2 anyhow.
[02:53] <gan|y|med> no option
[02:53] <gan|y|med> now it works. but isn't this fake?
[02:53] <Fade> I don't understand your question. 'fake' how?
[02:55] <gan|y|med> i thought sync means it does not buffer things, like linux shows things to have been copied, but they are finally copied when you umount. that's why it is so dangerous when you get a system crash
[02:55] <Fade> I don't know who you have been talking to, but that isn't how asynchronous filesystems work.
[02:56] <gan|y|med> okay
[02:56] <Fade> yes, data is buffered (your disk probably has several megabytes of cache in hardware)
[02:56] <gan|y|med> 8mb
[02:56] <Fade> but it is written out when the disk bus is quiescent.
[02:56] <Fade> not when the disk is unmounted.
[02:56] <Fade> in practice that works out to a few times a second.
[02:57] <gan|y|med> but shouldn't it work with syncing, too.
[02:57] <fdoving> you can read about sync if you got to man:/usr/share/man/man8/sync.8.gz in konq.
[02:57] <Fade> the sync option turns off caching, which means every operation goes straight down the bus to the platters.
[02:58] <fdoving> :)
[02:58] <gan|y|med> which is the standard for windows as this is meant to avoid data loss
[02:58] <Fade> well, not quite
[02:58] <giovanni> ciao
[02:58] <Fade> fat32 is about as dumb as a filesystem gets.
[02:59] <RawSewage> VENICE (Reuters) - Queen Elizabeth was unable to comprehend the British public's grief at Princess Diana's death in 1997, but was finally convinced to cast aside stiff royal protocol by British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a new film suggests.
[02:59] <RawSewage> AHH
[02:59] <RawSewage> wrong channel
[02:59] <Fade> there's just no notion in the driver of (a)syncronicity, so it uses the hardware caching no matter what.
[02:59] <RawSewage> I knew I'd do that eventually
[02:59] <Jucato> lol
[03:00] <Jucato> RawSewage: link please? :-D
[03:00] <RawSewage> lol
[03:00] <RawSewage> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/reuters/entertainment/~3/18579849/newsarticle.aspx
[03:00] <Jucato> heheh thanks!
[03:02] <Fade> gan|y|med: capice?
[03:06] <gan|y|med> sorry, had to change place
[03:06] <moustafa> Hello every body
[03:07] <moustafa> I am from Egypt cairo , Pyramids st.
[03:07] <moustafa> 18 male
[03:07] <gan|y|med> Fade: yes, it is not that difficult. but why is it then that the cache is shown as disabled in winxp no matter what the fs is?
[03:08] <moustafa> any strong girl here?
[03:08] <Fade> you'd have to ask in #windows. I have no idea.
[03:08] <Fade> moustafa: are you serious? lol
[03:08] <gan|y|med> lol? why?
[03:09] <gan|y|med> okay, i think i don't need to know it that urgent
[03:09] <gan|y|med> ly
[03:09] <CVirus> moustafa: dont act like an arab teenager
[03:09] <moustafa> Shall i enter your paradise Senioreta?
[03:09] <Fade> rotfl
[03:09] <gan|y|med> what the hell is going on here?
[03:10] <CVirus> gan|y|med: a dirty arab wants to have cyber fun
[03:10] <moustafa> is that the w.c?
[03:10] <moustafa> hehehheheheh
[03:10] <moustafa> hey hey
[03:10] <moustafa> i am a poss
[03:10] <moustafa> smart
[03:10] <moustafa> i just fun with people here
[03:11] <moustafa> i need help
[03:11] <gan|y|med> so you think that he comes to a channel of a system that barely 2 % of all pc users use for anything related to sex?
[03:11] <CVirus> moustafa: this channel isnt meant for fun .. its meant for support
[03:11] <moustafa> i installed java
[03:11] <moustafa> but i want to turn it on
[03:11] <moustafa> to can build sites
[03:11] <moustafa> in ubuntu
[03:11] <gan|y|med> is java in the repos?
[03:11] <moustafa> heheheheh
[03:12] <moustafa> in the shell
[03:12] <Fade> moustafa is arabic for 'troll'
[03:12] <loginov> j norilsk
[03:12] <moustafa> thanks for helping me
[03:13] <fdoving> moustafa: could you please compose a one line question, with the description and some useful information about your problem?
[03:13] <moustafa> Great
[03:13] <moustafa> i need to install java for my Linux ubuntu
[03:13] <fdoving> !java
[03:13] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:14] <moustafa> thanks alot
[03:14] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[03:14] <Fade> in irc everybody is autistic. ;)
[03:14] <moustafa> thank you
[03:15] <Fade> ham? I thought you said grasshopper.
[03:16] <ubuntu> hi
[03:17] <Fade> hi
[03:18] <arkygeek> hi
[03:19] <arkygeek> anyone have dri for their i915 running?
[03:19] <Fade> didn't intel recently release a full spec on that chip?
[03:19] <arkygeek> Fade: i think so
[03:20] <Fade> I'm stuck with a radeon in my powerbook.
[03:20] <arkygeek> but i just cant seem to make it work for whatever reason
[03:20] <Fade> I hate sekret hardware.
[03:20] <arkygeek> ati better than nvidia in that dept though
[03:20] <arkygeek> and didnt intel just but ati?
[03:20] <arkygeek> or was that someone else?
[03:20] <Fade> ati's graphics driver suck donkey dick. I've never had a problem with nvidia.
[03:21] <Fade> except on 'unusal' platforms like powerpc where nobody releases the damn drivers.
[03:21] <Fade> amd bought ati
[03:21] <gan|y|med> Fade: you use ubuntu on a powerpc?
[03:21] <Fade> yes
[03:21] <gan|y|med> brave
[03:22] <Fade> OS X is a terrible unix, and I need a good toolchain to do my work.
[03:22] <fdoving> i use kubuntu on powerpc too. :)'
[03:22] <arkygeek> i am trying to get aiglx on mine... not easy though
[03:22] <arkygeek> cant get direct rendering to work
[03:22] <Fade> it's solid, but there are some integration issues, and there are a few quirks with ubuntu (as opposed to debian) that kind of bug me.
[03:23] <Fade> for one, it isn't totally clear what the 'standard' proceedure is for generating a custom kernel is.
[03:23] <Fade> i've been doing it raw debian style.. but things like the splash screen break, even when reusing the ubuntu kernel configs.
[03:24] <Fade> arkygeek: I don't have any advice for you, unfortunately.
[03:24] <gan|y|med> i do it the traditional kernel kind of way always
[03:25] <gan|y|med> and i dont like splash screens. i wanna see what is going on
[03:25] <doogers> helloooo
[03:25] <doogers> Let's go back!
[03:26] <Fade> I know what's going on for the most part, but the fact that it's there by default and breaks if you change to a custom kernel bothers me.
[03:28] <gan|y|med> what bothers me more is the lack of speed compared to "other" systems
[03:28] <Fade> gan|y|med: ellaborate
[03:28] <Fade> are you an ex-gentoo user? :)
[03:29] <Brabery> hi guys
[03:29] <Brabery> how can i get connect to a efnet server
[03:29] <Fade> what client?
[03:29] <gan|y|med> no
[03:29] <Brabery> Konversation
[03:30] <Fade> try /server irc.efnet.net
[03:30] <gan|y|med> but i use initng now (gentoo origin)
[03:32] <Brabery> gr8... i could connect to efnet...
[03:32] <Brabery> but can i get a list of avail channels like in MIRC?
[03:33] <Fade> window->channel list for <network>
[03:34] <Brabery> gr8... thanks for ur help
[03:34] <Fade> n'p
[03:35] <gan|y|med> and i learnt sth. :)
[03:36] <Fade> sth?
[03:36] <gan|y|med> the channel stuff
[03:37] <gan|y|med> ich lese gerade "gefhle lesen" von paul ekman
[03:37] <gan|y|med> ups
[03:37] <gan|y|med> sorry, wrong window
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all.  How do I not show part and join info in Konversation?
[03:38] <Fade> 'configure notifications'
[03:40] <Fade> 'configure konversation'>chat window>hide join/part/nick events
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks fade
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> will look now
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> fade I dont see that option there
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> duh
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I see it now..
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> two chat window sections in there.. didnt see that before..  Thanks..
[03:42] <misieq> how do i enable my multimedia keys on keyboard? (like next, home page, vol up etc.)
[03:43] <Lynoure> misieq: in my case it was a matter of choosing the right keyboard type from the settings
[03:44] <Fade> misieq: system settings -> regional and accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:44] <misieq> Fade: the problem is it's not "reading" the keys
[03:44] <LetzeTeil> hiya
[03:44] <LetzeTeil> someone inthere?
[03:44] <atidem> misieq: use xmodmap
[03:44] <Lynoure> misieq: system settings -> regional and accessibility -> keyboard layout
[03:45] <Lynoure> misieq: can you find yours under Keyboard model?
[03:45] <LetzeTeil> i have to install a software but my libc is not sufficiently update. It is safe to upgrade it from warty?
[03:46] <misieq> i have trust 305 ks deskset, i'll try with trust direct access
[03:47] <misieq> i think it works :) when i press next on kb it says "xf86audionext" :)
[03:47] <misieq> thanks
[03:48] <database> Hey, juts out of interest...
[03:48] <database> *just
[03:48] <database> Is there a command-line CD player, that you can get through apt-get?
[03:48] <misieq> can't you search apt for cd player?
[03:49] <database> Uhh... I could try. :p
[03:49] <fdoving> database: abcde is nice.
[03:49] <fdoving> database:'apt-cache search cd player' is also nice.
[03:50] <database> Heh, OK.
[03:51] <milian_> is there an alternative to kompose ?
[03:52] <Fade> what is kompose?
[03:52] <misieq> !kompose
[03:52] <ubotu> kompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB
[03:52] <milian_> right
[03:52] <Skrot> misieq: You get a kompose-like feature with xgl/aiglx and compiz
[03:52] <Lynoure> milian_: What should be different about it?
[03:53] <misieq> Skrot: i wasn't asking, milian_ was ;)
[03:53] <Skrot> oh, right
[03:53] <Skrot> sorry
[03:53] <milian_> there is a bug in either kompose or xvkbd because when I try to show kompose via the shell it is run *very often* and my pc eventually crashes
[03:53] <milian_> this only happens whith kompose (like katapult and such do work perfectly)
[03:54] <milian_> i want to map kompose on one of my mouse buttons...
[03:54] <milian_> or is there anyone who could try to do what i do and say, if this happens to him aswell ?
[03:54] <milian_> maybe it's just my stupid pc...
[03:54] <jmichaelx> does anyone here use or know anything about 'gtkpod'?
[03:55] <Lynoure> milian_: you can use e.g. the applet to set the frequencies. I'm not sure what you meant by "show kompose via the shell"
[03:55] <misieq> jmichaelx: i know something :) it's utility to connect to your ipod ;P
[03:55] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:55] <Mehercle> need video editing software
[03:55] <misieq> !kino
[03:55] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.80-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1071 kB, installed size 3616 kB
[03:55] <Mehercle> thx
[03:56] <jmichaelx> misieq: i am trying to add a video podcast to my ipod using gtkpod, and i cannot for the life of me figure out how to do that
[03:56] <misieq> jmichaelx: i don't have an ipood nor do i use the util, but i'll try to help..
[03:56] <misieq> oh, haven't seen
[03:56] <misieq> jmichaelx: you tried ipod: kioslave?
[03:57] <milian_> Lynoure: I set up kompose to show via the global shortcut "alt + shift + w" - via the shell I can now do the following: `xvkbd -text "\AW"` - which is the same as pressing those buttons
[03:57] <jmichaelx> misieq: my impression is tthat gtkpod is not fully functional
[03:57] <misieq> jmichaelx: you might be right ;)
[03:57] <fabio> ciao
[03:57] <jmichaelx> i installed ipod kioslave, but have not used it (nor do i know how lol)
[03:57] <misieq> have you tried ipod: kioslave?
[03:57] <misieq> in konqueror type "ipod:/"
[03:58] <misieq> !ipod
[03:58] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[03:58] <jmichaelx> ty misi
[03:58] <milian_> Lynoure: what do you mean by "use the applet to set the frequencies" ?
[03:58] <Lynoure> milian_: sounds like a quite slow way, what do you use it for?
[03:58] <misieq> jmichaelx: np.
[03:59] <milian_> Lynoure: To map the 10th button of my MX1000 button to kompose
[03:59] <milian_> (via xbindkeys)
[03:59] <Fade> what is the default activation key for katapult?
[03:59] <misieq> Fade: alt+space
[03:59] <milian_> alt + space ?
[04:00] <Fade> thx
[04:00] <jmichaelx> misieq: ipod kioslave gave the error "we are not able to handle podcasts right now"
[04:00] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:00] <Ryoga85> why am I banned in #kubuntu-de ?
[04:00] <misieq> jmichaelx: then you have your answer
[04:00] <Lynoure> milian_: the Global shortcuts go not work for that?
[04:00] <Lynoure> s/go/do
[04:00] <jmichaelx> my answer is 'do not use ipod with linux'
[04:00] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:00] <Roldyx> hello
[04:01] <misieq> jmichaelx: no, my answer is do not use ipood ;)
[04:01] <jmichaelx> misieq: if that is what you want :-P
[04:01] <Roldyx> i have ubuntu brezzy, and i want dapper
[04:01] <misieq> !dapper
[04:01] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[04:01] <Roldyx> how to update?
[04:01] <fdoving> !upgrade
[04:01] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[04:02] <milian_> Lynoure: No - the command I showed you (`xvkbd -text "\AW"`) does work - but it looks like it sends the key event on and on - kompose doesnt stop showing up and my pc crashes eventually
[04:02] <milian_> because other programs work I thought it was a kompose bug - but I am not sure...
[04:03] <misieq> jmichaelx: is that what you want? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoTransferring
[04:03] <Ryoga85> I have a question. how to connect to a WPA protected WLAN with kubuntu?
[04:03] <misieq> jmichaelx: or this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideo
[04:04] <Lynoure> milian_: that is not the default shortcut for kompose, win+tab is, so I cannot try yours now
[04:04] <jmichaelx> misieq: may be..... thanks for going out of your way to help. i will read both of those
[04:05] <milian_> Lynoure: If you want to use my combo and test it: It's Alt + Shift + W (which is "\AW" for xvkbd)
[04:05] <misieq> !mpeg4ip
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpeg4ip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Fade> Ryoga85: it isn't possible except with some very specific wifi cards.
[04:05] <Mehercle> **ERROR: [yuvscaler]  Could'nt read YUV4MPEG header!
[04:05] <Fade> most of the wifi implementations in the 802.11g world are sekret.
 I have an Intel chipset
[04:06] <Fade> intel might work.
[04:06] <Fade> try configuring it with the wireless assistant.
[04:06] <Ryoga85> well
[04:07] <Ryoga85> it works great with unprotectednetworks and WEP encryption, but I found no way to configure the WPA encryption
[04:07] <fdoving> there is no way to configure WPA with wireless assistant.
[04:07] <fdoving> what card do you have?
[04:07] <Fade> you'll have to google it. wpa has lagged the other types because of driver issues.
[04:07] <Lynoure> milian_: Sorry, not wanting to shuffle shortcuts now. hmm
[04:07] <milian_> no problem, thanks anyways
[04:08] <Fade> for instance, the airport extreme card in my powerbook doesn't work even with wep.
[04:08] <Mehercle> can someone  help me with this :  **ERROR: [yuvscaler]  Could'nt read YUV4MPEG header!
[04:08] <milian_> I'll try skippy now - does seem to be something similar
[04:08] <fdoving> Ryoga85: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[04:08] <Fade> but works for open nets.
 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[04:08] <fdoving> Fade: i'm currently using airport extreme with WPA.
[04:08] <Faed> what kernel?
[04:08] <fdoving> current edgy. but it has been working since dapper.
[04:09] <fdoving> all you need is wpa-supplicant.
[04:09] <fdoving> then follow the howto.
[04:09] <Ryoga85> wpa-supplicant?
[04:09] <fildo> fade. what channel u running it on ?
[04:10] <fildo> i had issues with an ipw2100 on my toshiba wif kubuntu
[04:10] <fildo> but @ the end i need to install wifi-radar
[04:10] <fildo> n change my linksys to chan 1
[04:10] <fildo> and it worked
[04:10] <Fade> I've tried it on several, but so far haven't been able to get it working.
[04:11] <fildo> u on dapper
[04:11] <fildo> ?
[04:11] <Fade> yeah
[04:11] <fildo> is it internal or external
[04:11] <fildo> wifi
[04:11] <Fade> I've actually been considering moving up to the dev release
[04:11] <fildo> external as in pcmcia
[04:11] <Fade> it's an internal airport. broadcom 4603, iirc.
[04:12] <fildo> is it configured
[04:12] <Fade> both internal and external cards connect to pcmcia bus, I think.
[04:12] <fildo> can u iwlist scanning ?
[04:12] <Fade> yeah, the driver sees it. I can see networks.
[04:12] <fildo> hmm
[04:12] <fildo> drv. issue for sure
[04:12] <fildo> i had to flash mine, for fedora
[04:13] <fildo> but on kubuntu worked straight away
[04:13] <Fade> it works on open nets.
[04:13] <fildo> explain open nets?
[04:13] <Fade> although wireless assistant fails to connect every time.
[04:13] <Fade> non-wep non-wpa
[04:13] <jmichaelx> misieq: i got the video podcast to transfer finally, but it does not show up on the ipod the way it should. at least it is there, though
[04:13] <Fade> I can connect using networkmanager or manually.
[04:13] <fildo> whats ur /etc/network/interfaces
[04:13] <fildo> have for the device
[04:13] <jmichaelx> misieq: thanks for the links
[04:14] <fdoving> Fade: networkmanager supports WPA.
[04:14] <Fade> well, I'll give it another crack when I get some time.
[04:14] <fildo> it dose
[04:14] <J-a-r> I'm running my Airport extreme(Atheros) in my mac mini with dapper and wpa_supplicant and it even performs better than with MacOSX for some reason.
[04:15] <fildo> lol
[04:15] <fildo> strange J-a-r
[04:15] <Fade> is there a 'building custom kernels' howto for ubuntu?
[04:15] <fildo> i would run 0sx
[04:15] <fildo> but depends what mac
[04:15] <J-a-r> Yea it's very strange but I don't complain. :)
[04:15] <Fade> bleh. os x is teh crap. :)
[04:15] <fildo> indeeed
[04:16] <fildo> *nix so much better
[04:16] <fildo> then any os in the world
[04:16] <fildo> n kde for desktop management
[04:16] <Fade> fdoving: do you have a decent flashplayer on your ubuntu/ppc setup?
[04:17] <Fade> plan9 > unix > osx > $everything_else
[04:19] <fdoving> Fade: no, and i don't want one either. (i don't like flash)
[04:19] <ubuntu> can any one tell me what program do you use and watch tv with, i have a hauppauge wintv card
[04:20] <Fade> I don't like it either, but more and more of the web is becoming unseeable without it.
[04:20] <Fade> ubuntu -- I like mythtv
[04:20] <Ryoga85> motv or something
[04:20] <Ryoga85> i'm not at mypc so I can't check
[04:20] <Ryoga85> sorry
[04:21] <Mnabil>  is there a 'building custom kernels' howto for ubuntu??
[04:21] <Fade> kdetv is pretty good if you just want to look at channels.
[04:21] <Fade> Mnabil: excellent question! do you know the answer? :)
[04:21] <ubuntu> cant seem to get the channels tuned in
[04:21] <fdoving> Mnabil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/software/CustomKernel
[04:22] <Fade> xawtv is the most basic player. some options for dealing with tuning issues.
[04:22] <noyou> Hello, with an 80GB Hard Disk. How should I make my partitions? I want multiple ones. you know ,one for /usr, one for /home, one for /etc... etc..
[04:22] <Mnabil> Fade, no ,
[04:22] <Fade> I only ask because I asked about ten minutes ago. fdoving: thx
[04:22] <Jucato> one for / (root), one for swap, one for /home <--- the most basic
[04:22] <Fade> amarok is totally busted.
[04:23] <fdoving> Fade: you can checkout swf-player, and libflash-mozplugin - haven't tested either of them myself thouh.
[04:23] <fdoving> +g
[04:23] <Jucato> Fade: what do you mean?
[04:23] <Fade> yeah. they don't work.
[04:23] <Fade> jucato -- it won't start. loops on an sqlite call at startup. I filed a bug earlier today.
[04:23] <Fade> at least on powerpc.
[04:24] <Jucato> aah
[04:24] <fdoving> Fade: what version of amarok?
[04:24] <Fade> ii  amarok               1.4.2-0ubuntu2~dappe versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[04:24] <Jucato> Fade: from Kubuntu.org?
[04:24] <fdoving>  amarok | 2:1.4.2-0ubuntu3
[04:24] <fdoving> works nicely on edgy.
[04:25] <Fade> I'm moving to edgy. what do the sourcelines look like?
[04:25] <Jucato> works also in Dapper
[04:25] <Jucato> it's probably a PPC issue?
[04:25] <Fade> well, I can prove conclusively that it doesn't work on this instance of dapper.
[04:25] <Fade> it might be a ppc issue.
[04:25] <abattoir> Fade: could you paste the error messages? on pastebin?
[04:26] <ubuntu> whats the best for you Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[04:26] <Fade> it's in the bugreport.
[04:26] <Jucato> Fade: bug report # please?
[04:26] <Jucato> if you would be so kind
[04:26] <Jucato> :-D
[04:26] <abattoir> Fade: the link for that please?
[04:26] <Fade> 'sec
[04:26] <Jucato> eheh
[04:27] <fdoving> fade, jucato, i run that on edgy powerpc.
[04:27] <Jucato> fdoving: I think he's running Dapper
[04:27] <Fade> what's the apt line to move to edgy from dapper?
[04:28] <Jucato> Fade: not recommended to use as your main OS
[04:28] <abattoir> Fade: edgy to dapper or dapper to edgy?
[04:28] <abattoir> oops sorry, my mistake
[04:28] <ubuntu> im using live cd and want to know which ones best Gnome Ubuntu & KDE Kubuntu
[04:28] <Fade> dapper -> edgy
[04:28] <ubuntu> so i can install it
[04:28] <Jucato> ubuntu: it's a matter of personal preference. but since you asked in the #kubuntu channel...
[04:28] <abattoir> ubuntu: hi, you are in #kubuntu, so, we'd say Kubuntu :)
[04:30] <ubuntu> ok
[04:30] <Fade> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58566
[04:30] <heinkel_111> ubuntu: this is like stepping into the church, and ask if there are any believers :)
[04:31] <Fade> there must be a howto that gives the apt sources to dist-upgrade to edgy.
[04:31] <Fade> !upgrade
[04:31] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[04:31] <fdoving> Fade: as jucato says, moving to dapper is not recommended unless you're know your way around apt-get/dpkg.
[04:31] <fdoving> Fade: and expect some problems.
[04:31] <noyou> I'm gonna create these partitions: /, /tmp, /var, /usr, /usr/local, /home. Whats the advisable size for an 80gb disk? Please, I'm on the livecd right now, waiting for answers :P
[04:31] <Fade> I've been a debian user for ten years.
[04:31] <Jucato> Fade: and expect almost daily updates
[04:31] <ubuntu> i have used so many this week, SUSE, Ubuntu, knoppix, drapper, etc
[04:32] <Fade> well, nine.
[04:32] <fdoving> noyou: is this going to be a desktop machine?
[04:32] <noyou> fdoving: yes.
[04:32] <fdoving> noyou: multiple users or more or less one?
[04:32] <noyou> fdoving: more or less one :P
[04:32] <Fade> is the tree tagged 'edgy'?
[04:33] <aliasfred> nfs over 100mbit ethernet is nice :)
[04:34] <Fade> it's even nicer over 10G/E. ;)
[04:35] <fdoving> noyou: then i would ask you to reconsider the number of partitions. I would recommend having / and /home basically.  then i suggest symlinking or mount --bind'ing /usr/local to /home/usrlocal or similar, that way you can reinstall keeping the data on /home unformatted, and format the / partition without loosing /usr/local and /home.
[04:35] <fdoving> nfs rocks over 11mbit wlan too :)
[04:35] <noyou> I see. Thanks.
[04:38] <gan|y|med> site?
[04:38] <ubuntu> i run a boys football team and have a website i keep up to date, do any one no of any good HTML editors which are each to use like MS Frontpage
[04:39] <Jucato> Nvu or Quanta+ (Quanta Plus) or Bluefish
[04:39] <gan|y|med> try quanta
[04:39] <gan|y|med> bluefish is not frontpaghe liek
[04:39] <gan|y|med> like
[04:39] <Jucato> aah sorry
[04:39] <gan|y|med> but very good
[04:39] <ubuntu> easy to use
[04:39] <gan|y|med> but has some speed issues
[04:39] <aliasfred> q. is there a good tools to hide all the historical complexity of nfs configuration ?
[04:40] <Fade> screem is apparently pretty clicky.
[04:40] <aliasfred> looking
[04:41] <aliasfred> oh the fade answer wasnt for me :)
[04:41] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:41] <aliasfred> dont laught, im desapointed :)
[04:42] <Jucato> ok.. sorry :)
[04:42] <ubuntu> the other thing is i need to copy my site from my 1st harddrive on my second on but i cant mount it ?
[04:42] <gan|y|med> specify "can't mountit"
[04:43] <ubuntu> i have 2 harddrives, one windows (crap) and the 2nd with Kubuntu
[04:44] <ubuntu> bu Kubuntu will not let me view the windows drive
[04:44] <ubuntu> but
[04:46] <ubuntu> comes up with "can not mount device"
[04:46] <fdoving> aliasfred: do you have 'kdenetwork-filesharing'  installed? it has a nice right-click on directory -> share thing.. supports nfs and samba.
[04:46] <ubuntu> no
[04:47] <ubuntu> dont have it installed
[04:48] <darius> kubuntu-fr
[04:49] <darius> bonsoir a tous
[04:50] <shinryu> Bonsoir ^
[04:50] <shinryu> ^^
[04:50] <Admiral_Chicago> darius, bonjour. it n'a y pas soir ici
[04:50] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, horrible french....
[04:50] <shinryu> lol
[04:50] <darius> ricain pas terrible
[04:51] <darius> alors tu peux parler
[04:51] <Jucato> hmm...
[04:51] <aliasfred> fdoving: oh this one is for me. thanks i will look
[04:51] <aliasfred> !fr
[04:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:51] <sleeptyper> any news about the ability to run 32b in 64b (k)ubuntu ?
[04:52] <fdoving> aliasfred: you get a kcm module named 'fileshare' to configure the system. 'kcmshell filesharing' or use kcontrol, it doesn't appear in system settings.
[04:53] <fdoving> just for the record.
[04:54] <Jucato> I wonder if the time will come when you can edit/adjust System Settings modules, like you could KControl...
[04:54] <fdoving> you can, it's open source :)
[04:54] <fdoving> i like 'kcmshell' :)
[04:55] <fdoving> kcmshell --list, and kcmshell modulename
[04:55] <fdoving> :)
[04:55] <Fade> well, maconlinux is the bomb shit.
[04:55] <Jucato> fdoving: yeah. but I mean, KControl has KControlEdit. Wonder when System Settings will have SystemSettingsEdit
[04:55] <Jucato> (what a long name)
[04:57] <fdoving> good question, the default kcontrol is a mess when you first start to use it.
[04:57] <goi> am leaving linux, goodbye kubuntu/linux for ever :D
[04:57] <Jucato> anyway, the new System Settings is great!
[04:57] <fdoving> goi: bye.
[04:57] <goi> hello user friendly windows but no packet injection os -_-
[04:57] <Jucato> bye goi! have fun wherever your road takes you
[04:57] <goi> lol
[04:57] <goi> o0
[04:58] <sleeptyper> only userfriendly Windows is the one left uninstalled :P
[04:59] <Jucato> I found Win98 to be a bit user friendly. eheheh!
[04:59] <fdoving> i find kubuntu userfriendly :)
[04:59] <gan|y|med> i find kubuntu userfriendly and slow
[05:00] <Peaker> They all have their quirks, however people are much more tolerant to Windows quirks.. Probably cause they're used to them and know how to work around them
[05:00] <Skrot> i find kubuntu userfriendly and fast enough ;)
[05:00] <gan|y|med> and btw, you can make things userunfriendly by trying to improve them. happened with m$, happened with kubuntu
[05:00] <gan|y|med> look at konqueror
[05:01] <Jucato> ???
[05:01] <Skrot> Peaker: That's my theory as well
[05:01] <fdoving> .. anyway #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support related social chatting.
[05:01] <gan|y|med> look at the network module for kcontrol
[05:01] <Skrot> What about konqueror? And how did *kubuntu* make it unusable? :)
[05:01] <Skrot> I love konqi :)
[05:01] <emanuelt> kubuntu can replace win xp and the vista
[05:01] <Jucato> fdoving: don't you just wish we could move conversations like we move threads in the forums? eheheh
[05:01] <Peaker> Konqueror is awsome. Best browser out there
[05:02] <gan|y|med> okay, i am not allowed to talk here. but just compare konq in etch and dapper... btw. i like kubuntu, that doesn't mean i am blind
[05:02] <fdoving> Jucato: i can move users :)
[05:02] <Jucato> fdoving: lol
[05:02] <Skrot> gan|y|med: I've tried both. Konqueror looks exactly the same here..
[05:02] <fdoving> but i'm just too nice.
[05:02] <rohan> the kubuntu.org site says that there are newer versions of k3b and ktorrent available in backports .. i dont find then in dist-upgrade
[05:02] <gan|y|med> no it doesnt
[05:02] <rohan> what figures ?
[05:02] <gan|y|med> i have both runnning
[05:02] <Jucato> gan|y|med: you can talk here, just not about that topic :-D
[05:02] <Skrot> gan|y|med: I dist-upgraded my dapper though, so my old settings are intact
[05:03] <Jucato> rohan: by any chance, are you using au.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:03] <rohan> Jucato: no. just archive.ubuntu.com
[05:03] <gan|y|med> that's what i meant. sry for my verbal inaccuracy
[05:03] <Skrot> How kubuntu is improving/getting worse is a valid discussion for #kubuntu imo
[05:03] <Jucato> rohan: make sure that "dapper-backports" is enabled
[05:03] <Skrot> gan|y|med: What have they done to konqueror in edgy to make it less userfriendly?
[05:03] <rohan> Jucato: it is
[05:04] <fdoving> Skrot: #kubuntu is for support, #kubuntu-devel for development, #kubuntu-offtopic for other stuff.
[05:04] <rohan> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe
[05:04] <Jucato> did you "sudo apt-get update" after you enabled it? and don't "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:04] <gan|y|med> well, then look at the profile management. standard in kubuntu breezy was to disable profile loading (changed in dapper, an improvement), but there still only two profiles
[05:04] <rohan> Jucato: yes, i did both
[05:05] <gan|y|med> i don't use edgy. sry, i need a stable system here
[05:05] <Skrot> gan|y|med: okay, I've got to admit I don't use profiles :>
[05:05] <Jucato> I use profiles. they're great. I don't use the default ones, though. I immediately make my own
[05:05] <Jucato> but that's just me..
[05:06] <Skrot> I too configure konqueror, but I don't go switching between profiles
[05:06] <fdoving> gan|y|med: you can make your own profiles. no restrictions on that part.
[05:06] <Jucato> gan|y|med: "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[05:06] <Jucato> I think gan|y|med's issue is that there are only 2 profiles by default?
[05:06] <gan|y|med> it is not about who is right or wrong, it is just the way it is. some things shouldn't be touched unless you really have reason, not just pseudo user friendlyness. that is m$ behaviour. and i think most people here know this
[05:07] <gan|y|med> take the network module. it is useless
[05:07] <fdoving> gan|y|med: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[05:07] <Jucato> which network module?
[05:07] <rohan> Jucato: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:07] <rohan> and k3b is still 0.12.14
[05:07] <rohan> anyone actually pulled in .17 from dapper-backports ?
[05:07] <gan|y|med> the one in kcontrol
[05:07] <Jucato> rohan: how about KTorrent?
[05:08] <rohan> Jucato: oh, i dont use ktorrent :)
[05:08] <jdong> rohan: there is no .17 in backports yet
[05:08] <rohan> i dont have it installed either
[05:08] <jdong> soyuz bug prevents it right now
[05:08] <Jucato> no k3b 0.17 in backports yet
[05:08] <jdong> working on fixing it
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: oh, the kubuntu site says so .. ok, no hurry :)
[05:08] <Jucato> rawr! ehehe
[05:08] <rohan> soyuz ?
[05:08] <jdong> rohan: launchpad build system
[05:08] <rohan> hehe
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: oh, ok :)
[05:08] <Jucato> jdong: is Riddel going to edit the announcement?
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: thanks for your and others' excellent work on the backports
[05:09] <Jucato> gan|y|med: Network Settings?
[05:09] <jdong> Jucato: I don't know... it will be accurate in a few days, so why bother :)
[05:09] <gan|y|med> yes
[05:09] <Jucato> lol
[05:09] <Jucato> gan|y|med: isn't that a part of KDE? not Kubuntu?
[05:10] <Jucato> AFAIK, "Network Settings" is from KDE. the only stuff that Kubuntu added are  the ones from kde-guidance
[05:10] <gan|y|med> i am just talking about userfriendlyness. i am not blaming kubuntu or kde. and i don't know who is responsible for not repairing it
[05:11] <Jucato> ah. but you were talking about one thing that Kubuntu touched, then talking about something Kubuntu didn't touch. so I was confused
[05:11] <gan|y|med> the issue is that one network connection blocks the other one (e.g. eth0 blocks eth1) and i cannot use the network module (not the manager for wlan!) to enable/disable connections
[05:12] <Jucato> ah I see...
[05:12] <Jucato> I've never had much use for KDE's network stuff...
[05:12] <lloyd> how do I show the "computer" icon in Kubuntu?
[05:12] <gan|y|med> even if i could, i don't get why one connections block the other. this is solved in winxp in a better way
[05:12] <fdoving> gan|y|med: did you report a bug about it?
[05:12] <Jucato> lloyd: the closest you could get would be a "system icon
[05:12] <lloyd> Jucato: thanks...where is it?
[05:13] <Jucato> lloyd: right-click on the desktop, select Create New > Link to location (URL)
[05:13] <gan|y|med> no. did not have the time. maybe i should. but the problem has been present since breezy at least
[05:13] <Jucato> lloyd: then in the "Enter link to location" field, type in "system no quotes
[05:13] <Jucato> gan|y|med: I think you should file it with KDE itself
[05:13] <fdoving> gan|y|med: if noone reports the bug its less likely it will be fixed.
[05:14] <Jucato> lloyd: name it whatever you like, the default would be "System" but you're free to call it "Computer"
[05:14] <gan|y|med> that's true
[05:14] <lloyd> Jucato: tells me malformed url
[05:14] <gan|y|med> any idea about the blocking?
[05:14] <Jucato> lloyd: sorry I meant system:/
[05:14] <Jucato> darn Auto replace...
[05:14] <lloyd> okay, hold one Jucato
[05:15] <lloyd> Jucato: perfect!  Thank you very much
[05:15] <fdoving> gan|y|med: i would need a better description on the blocking issue.
[05:16] <Jucato> lloyd: no problem! other "links" you can make are trash home and media
[05:16] <Jucato> media
[05:16] <fdoving> gan|y|med: reporting a bug would help alot.
[05:16] <Jucato> rawr
[05:16] <Jucato> media:/
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> xxx:/
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:17] <Jucato> lol
[05:17] <lloyd> Jucato: again thx...really appreciate it...am a gnome fan myself, but am setting this up for a friend.  Windows is completely erased!!! another Linux convert (I didn't give him a choice)
[05:17] <Jucato> hahah
[05:17] <Jucato> good luck with that lloyd!
[05:17] <rohan> how do i tell reiserfsck to stop checking my disk on every 29 mounts on bootup ? its damn irritating !
[05:18] <aliasfred> tune2fs but the reseirfs version
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> you must be doing a lot of rebooting
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> 29 mounts is about once a month for me.
[05:18] <rohan> Dr_Willis: hehe, yes :D
[05:18] <gan|y|med> ifup eth0 block a running connection on eth1. only pc via eth0 are accessible, and vice versa. depends what is executed last
[05:18] <rohan> Dr_Willis: its about every 3 days for me ;)
[05:18] <secleinteer> rohan: edit fstab and change the 1 at the end of one of your mounts to a 0
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  quit playing those windows games!
[05:18] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heheh! I do an average of 1 boot per day
[05:19] <Jucato> but that's because I need to shutdown the PC every night
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  yep. :P im always got the pc reencoding video - so this one runs for weeks on end.
[05:19] <secleinteer> has any1 heard of a problem where you install all the video codecs, and all you get for the video is a blue screen (but the audio works)?
[05:19] <rohan> Dr_Willis: lets just say i am forced to :P
[05:20] <rohan> secleinteer: no way to change it to like, check every 100 mounts or so ?
[05:20] <Jucato> Booting everyday is the reason why I sooo feel the slowness of Kubuntu's boot, with or without USplash...
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  'everquest' is calling to you!
[05:20] <secleinteer> rohan: don't know, i just turn it off
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> that tunefs command can set the # to whatever ya want.
[05:20] <rohan> Dr_Willis: nah, my dad needs windows for his work..
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  Bah! tell him to get his own pc!
[05:20] <Jucato> lol
[05:21] <rohan> Dr_Willis: hah, actually i am using _his_ pc ..  i dont have money to buy one for myself :D
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> start chargeing him for windows tech support..
[05:22] <rohan> Dr_Willis: lol ..
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I just noticed an Icon in my Firefox Bookmarks - thats animated...
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Fancy Custome Icon Eye  candy!
[05:26] <secleinteer> lol
[05:26] <orangey> hey all!
[05:26] <secleinteer> sup
[05:26] <orangey> my kde-guidance is broken as per this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/37275 (I reopened the bug), but it has been re-closed
[05:26] <orangey> I was wondering if maybe they meant that the fix lies in Edgy.
[05:27] <orangey> As such, where can I get a listing of the edgy packages so I can try to install just that one?
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> orangey, packages.ubuntu.org
[05:28] <Jucato> not really a good idea to mix packages...
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:29] <orangey> thank you
[05:29] <Jucato> I mean from Edgy and Dapper
[05:29] <orangey> Jucato: it may not be, but I want to test the fix.
[05:29] <Jucato> ah
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i just used -f instal lfor the first time
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> fixed a problem apparently
[05:31] <CNote> hello, I'm fairly new to KUbuntu, and am having issues with my ipw3945 wireless adapter...I've read quite a bit of info on the forums, but I am having an issue, with the driver loaded that it still can't find the card, almost as if it is not working properly, this is on a Lenovo T60P
[05:32] <orangey> hmmm. where are the edgy source .deb files?
[05:32] <aliasfred> i think my network card is producing noise :)
[05:32] <orangey> or are they not .deb files?
[05:32] <aliasfred> should i worry ? :)
[05:33] <habeeb> Is there xgl+compiz for KDE?
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, yes
[05:33] <habeeb> Admiral_Chicago: any chance for a howto url?
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, nope
[05:33] <aliasfred> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i dont have one that is
[05:34] <habeeb> Admiral_Chicago: ok :)
[05:34] <habeeb> aliasfred: aw thanks.
[05:34] <gan|y|med> thx. ciao
[05:34] <fdoving> aliasfred: any luck with kdenetwork-filesharing ?
[05:35] <RawSewage> what cool things can you do with AIGLX
[05:35] <aliasfred> fdoving: nope :) in fact am running fc4 as dev environement :) so i set up a nfs manually
[05:35] <aliasfred> but it is a pain
[05:35] <fdoving> aliasfred: ah..
[05:35] <aliasfred> i should pass all in ubuntu but am lazy for the config
[05:36] <aliasfred> to config computer is by far what i hate the most in computing :)
[05:36] <Fade> the video board in my powerbook is okay by laptop standards, but there's no 3d acceleration for it. This is a source of ongoing irritation.
[05:36] <fdoving> i agree. that's why i have made packages for almost everything.
[05:36] <Fade> I'd love to try out compiz/xgl
[05:37] <habeeb> aliasfred: this one gave me a nvidia howto, I'm an ati usah <:
[05:37] <fdoving> Fade: isn't it a radeon that uses the opensource radeon driver? if so, it should support dri out of the box. mine does.
[05:37] <aliasfred> hmm do you speak french ? i got another but in french
[05:37] <habeeb> aliasfred: No sorry.
[05:37] <Fade> in your xorg.conf, what driver are you calling?
[05:37] <Fade> and what machine do you have?
[05:37] <nivekz> hello, i add "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" to "~/.xinitrc" but it is obviously not run at startup
[05:38] <aliasfred> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/applications/xgl <- habeeb maybe by playing with google translation
[05:38] <fdoving> Fade: ibook g4 1.2ghz 12"
[05:38] <habeeb> No way. Google translation is _TOO_ unreliable :"P
[05:38] <habeeb> I'll try to find a way.
[05:38] <Fade> I have the 1.33ghz 17"
[05:38] <soulrider> hi everyone
[05:38] <Fade> fdoving, can you paste your xconfig?
[05:39] <fdoving> Fade: i call the 'ati' driver.
[05:39] <fdoving> sure,
[05:39] <fdoving> hang on.
[05:39] <soulrider> is anyone here using azureus?
[05:39] <aliasfred> habeeb: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fapplications%2Fxgl&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[05:39] <aliasfred> bla :)
[05:39] <habeeb> Also, even tho I have sound , I can hear the GAIM sounds, beeps etc. Amarok isnt playing songs.
[05:39] <ccc_> soulrider: nope, not since ktorrent 2 was released
[05:40] <soulrider> ah k
[05:40] <soulrider> because i got a problem, and i dont know if tis azureus thats causing it or something else
[05:40] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, try chancing engunes
[05:40] <aliasfred> soulrider: i do
[05:40] <nivekz> hello where am i suppose to put "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" command in order to let it run each time at startup?
[05:40] <fdoving> Fade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jqKJ0K51.html
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> last few times ive even tried Azureus - it was acting weird.
[05:40] <habeeb> Ok Admiral_Chicago
[05:41] <Fade> fdoving: thx :)
[05:41] <Fade> what output do you get from glxgears?
[05:41] <Fade> (out of curiosity)
[05:41] <aliasfred> Dr_Willis: it is by far the most 'serious' implementation around. aka the most complete etc... as a dev in p2p, it is a good tool :)
[05:41] <aliasfred> but this is quite heavy on ram due to java
[05:42] <soulrider> well my problem is that when i leabve my computr overnight with az on
[05:42] <soulrider> when i come back its all locked up
[05:42] <aliasfred> locked up = ?
[05:42] <soulrider> or too clow to even be able to close it
[05:42] <soulrider> it just doesnt work
[05:42] <soulrider> like if it were redmond :/
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> aliasfred,  ive gotten where i use  wine utorrent.exe :P
[05:42] <aliasfred> well 'does not work' is not a very usefull description of an issue :)
[05:43] <aliasfred> Dr_Willis: hehe :)
[05:43] <soulrider> when i come abck
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> aliasfred, last few times ive had issues with it poping up messages that never go away. :)
[05:43] <soulrider> all i see is the azureus window
[05:43] <soulrider> and ic ant click on anythign esle
[05:43] <soulrider> and even if i do, i cant use any toher programs or anything
[05:43] <soulrider> the close button doesnt work
[05:43] <soulrider> right click doesnt do anything
[05:43] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: that too
[05:43] <soulrider> but you casn just close it
[05:43] <aliasfred> ok you got you computer frozen
[05:44] <aliasfred> it may be the memory, the disk many things
[05:44] <ccc_> Dr_Willis: doesn't sound too good... :) did you try ktorrent? it's great these days. and native kde.
[05:44] <aliasfred> check the memory amount to see if it is big
[05:44] <aliasfred> check if the disk is full
[05:44] <aliasfred> etc...
[05:44] <soulrider> my HDs are fine
[05:44] <soulrider> and i gto 1 GB or RAM :/
[05:44] <Fade> soulrider -- sounds like there's a memory leak in azureus.
[05:44] <srdjant> How does one configure a modem in kubuntu, when lspci doesn't even mention the modem?
[05:45] <aliasfred> ktorrent send interested packet even if it is not!! how evil :)
[05:45] <jordi_> How can i Know the type of my hard Disk?  (Serial ATA, Ide...)
[05:45] <Fade> so it slowly uses up all the available memory, and then you're stuck in an I/O storm as the machine thrashes in swap.
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> ccc_,  odd thing about ktorrent - its still pegging the CPU at 99% even tho that bug supposubly got fixed.
[05:45] <soulrider> i used to run azureus with 256mb of RAM and no problems
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> ccc_,  the system is still useable. but the load monitors go crazy.
[05:45] <aliasfred> soulrider: when you come back, is the disk in activity ?
[05:46] <ccc_> Dr_Willis: even in version 2.0.2?
[05:46] <soulrider> it is
[05:46] <soulrider> and working like crazy too :/
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_Willis, K torrent didnt use up my CPU
[05:46] <Fade> file a bug against azureus.
[05:46] <soulrider> i even try ctrl+alt+backspace adn ti doesnt work
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i never really go over 15%
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> most i really go is like 35
[05:46] <aliasfred> soulrider: ohhh so maybe it is axctually what fade said. aka big memory usage and then swap trashing
[05:47] <fdoving> Fade: it doesn't give any output.
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> and thats doing dl, music. irc, gaim, web and apt-get updates
[05:47] <Sanne> jordi_: type mount, it shows you the mounted partitions on your hd. If they are /dev/hd* you have IDE, /dev/sd* is for SCSI or SATA.
[05:47] <soulrider> and is there a way i can prevent that from happening ?
[05:47] <aliasfred> soulrider: there is a way to minimize the amount of memory used by java vm
[05:47] <Fade> dont run the program, or change versions and see if the problem goes away.
[05:47] <soulrider> ive tried witht he 2 latest
[05:47] <soulrider> the thing is
[05:47] <soulrider> i would use ktorrent
[05:48] <aliasfred> soulrider: it is in the azureus wiki or in #azureus for details
[05:48] <soulrider> but theres a tracker i dont know why ti refuses toc onnect to
[05:48] <soulrider> plus
[05:48] <soulrider> i find the way the interface is set up to be rather bad
[05:48] <Fade> java is teh suck. :(
[05:48] <soulrider> i like java :(
[05:48] <soulrider> i program in java... :( :P
[05:48] <jordi_> Sanne: thanks. And how can I know if the memory is DDr, DDR2 or DIMM?
[05:48] <Fade> well, you should profile the memory usage of azureus and file a patch with their devs.
[05:49] <Kutan> I wanna learn how to program in C++ D:
[05:49] <aliasfred> soulrider: their dev are nice and competent :)
[05:49] <soulrider> :)
[05:49] <Fade> that's always a plus. ;)
[05:50] <ironfroggy> so i was actually surprised, after using remote X for the first time, that when i suspended my laptop running a client with a window on my desktop, when i brought the laptop back up it was still running on the desktop.
[05:50] <ironfroggy> hows that work?
[05:50] <Sanne> jordi_: oh, I don't know if you can look it up under linux. For that I would go into the BIOS and see what it reports. Has anybody got better idea?
[05:50] <aliasfred> Kutan: the hardest to learn, but very powerfull once you get it :)
[05:50] <Kutan> Anyone know any C++ compiler/editors compatible with linux?
[05:50] <soulrider> g++
[05:50] <Fade> xemacs/g++
[05:50] <soulrider> i think :/
[05:50] <aliasfred> !build
[05:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:50] <soulrider> and i believe Eclipse can do c++
[05:50] <Kutan> Thanks.
[05:51] <aliasfred> yep but eclipse c++ is much worst than java one :)
[05:51] <Sanne> jordi_: you can also look around under Menu->System->KInfoCenter for hardware kubuntu detected, but I don't think you will find the RAM type there.
[05:51] <Fade> emacs -- you can run it anywhere, and once you know it, it's a power tool for your brain. :)
[05:52] <Admiral_Chicago> emacs is like a power workout for your brain
[05:53] <Fade> at this point, I doubt I could do my job without emacs.
[05:53] <RawSewage> what job
[05:53] <Fade> it saves me an unbelievable amount of time
[05:53] <Fade> I'm a code writer.
[05:53] <Fade> a programmer. a professional misfit. :)
[05:53] <RawSewage> what does emac have thats so great for codig
[05:54] <Fade> well, it has a great editor, but it's actually a lisp machine underneath, so it's a completely extensible editor.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> emacs has so many features and so extendable - its scary
[05:55] <jordi_> Sanne: you were right, I didn't find the RAM type there
[05:55] <Fade> the c and c++ major modes integrate with gdb. the python mode is the best special mode I've ever used in any editor.
[05:55] <nnn0> emacs is a great OS :)
[05:55] <Fade> ba-dum-dum-bump :)
[05:55] <Sanne> jordi_: thought so. So, try your BIOS, maybe?
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> I sort of like FTE actally for an editor
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> i miss my old CygnusED for my amiga.
[05:56] <Sanne> jordi_: or even your mb manual first, it should say what it supports.
[05:56] <Fade> ahhhh... amiga.
[05:56] <RawSewage> wtf
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Fade,  heh - i got several of them
[05:57] <Fade> I have a whole collection. everything except an a4000
[05:58] <Kutan> Aw damn, what's that command to refresh my desktop? I keep forgetting.
[05:58] <Kutan> er
[05:58] <Jucato> F5?
[05:58] <Kutan> K Menu
[05:58] <Kutan> Sorry
[05:58] <Jucato> kbuildsycoca --incremental
[05:58] <Kutan> That's it, thanks.
[06:00] <Jucato> no problem
[06:00] <Kutan> Oh well, I guess I need to put G++ on there myself.
[06:00] <aliasfred> !build-essential
[06:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:00] <Jucato> Kutan: iirc, g++ is a command line... command...
[06:00] <aliasfred> !essential
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about essential - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <Kutan> seriously?
[06:00] <auTONYmous> is anyone else having problems with USB drives under 3.5.4?
[06:01] <Kutan> lol
[06:01] <Jucato> Kutan: AFAIK, it's something like gcc
[06:01] <Kutan> When I asked if there were any good compilers/editors I thought g++ was both.
[06:01] <Jucato> ehehe
[06:01] <nnn0> :)
[06:01] <Jucato> KDevelop is a nice IDE, I think
[06:01] <auTONYmous> my usb drives won't automount...
[06:02] <nnn0> KDevelop is ok
[06:02] <aliasfred> i only got coredump from kdevelop
[06:02] <Jucato> I said "I think" because I haven't used it personally, and based it on others' recommendations...
[06:02] <Jucato> but I'm presuming it's good (partly because it's KDE...)
[06:03] <Fade> g++ isn't something like gcc, it is gcc which is a modular compiler. ;)
[06:03] <Jucato> Fade: I mean the "gcc" command...
[06:03] <aliasfred> well a lot of kde dev dont use kdevelop... i think this say a lot :)
[06:03] <Jucato> lol
[06:03] <Jucato> I wonder what they use?
[06:03] <Fade> emacs emacs, everywhere you look. :)
[06:03] <Jucato> lol
[06:03] <flo> every time i open a kde aplication i get this error message
[06:03] <flo> Impossibile trovare il tipo MIME
[06:03] <flo> application/octet-stream
[06:04] <Jucato> But besides that... emacs/vim is a given...
[06:04] <flo> what's hapening?
[06:04] <Fade> your computer speaks italian and kde speaks english.
[06:04] <Jucato> !it
[06:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:04] <Jucato> Fade: how cruel... ehehehe!
[06:04] <Fade> I was joking.
[06:04] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <Kutan> Ooooh KDevelop is nice. >_>
[06:05] <Fade> once upon a time I lived in milano, but I was trapped in a machine room, and they didn't let me speak to the natives.
[06:05] <marco_> can someone help with quickcam?
[06:05] <Fade> don't mistake pretty for good.
[06:05] <marco_> I live in Milano!!! :D
[06:06] <bora> how can we switch between kdm and gdm?
[06:06] <Fade> well, I'm in paris now, but Milan was nice. :)
[06:06] <fdoving> bora: in konsole 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm' or gdm.
[06:06] <marco_> anyone knows how to solve my problem with webcam? :(
[06:06] <Fade> bora -- dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:06] <Fade> oooh. it's like a new game. ;)
[06:06] <Fade> marco_: you haven't stated your problem yet
[06:07] <leo^> thanks
[06:07] <marco_> oh yes sorry :D stupid!
[06:07] <marco_> weel
[06:07] <marco_> well
[06:07] <marco_> i was using ubuntu few days ago
[06:07] <marco_> and now trying kubuntu
[06:07] <marco_> so
[06:07] <marco_> camorama can see my cam
[06:07] <marco_> an gqcam too
[06:07] <marco_> and kopete too
[06:07] <marco_> but i cannot share cam with friends
[06:07] <marco_> that is
[06:07] <marco_> using kopete with MSN
[06:07] <marco_> i cannot send my webcam images :(
[06:08] <marco_> i think that is because i have NAT on my adsl modem
[06:08] <Fade> kopete doesn't know how to send the webcam pictures across msn.
[06:08] <Kutan> So Fade I have a question, when you say "don't mistake pretty for good"... What makes one editor better than the other? o_O
[06:08] <marco_> but if i deactivate NAT
[06:08] <marco_> modem cannot connect :(
[06:08] <leo^> ok a dumb question coming. can i remove gnome desktop after i install kde in ubuntu dapper ?
[06:08] <Fade> kutan -- the editor that gets out of your way and lets you work without seeing it is my measure of a good editor.
[06:08] <Fade> the upside of that is that you can then work on anything from a mobile fone with a bluetooth keyboard to a full workstation.
[06:08] <Fade> this is of course, subjective.
[06:08] <Kutan> o_o;
[06:09] <Kutan> Uh... What the hell kind of phone do you have? o_o
[06:09] <Fade> in emacs, the entire editor is available without taking your hands off the home row. you don't need a mouse.
[06:09] <marco_> me? phone? :O
[06:09] <Fade> you don't even need a graphical environment.
[06:09] <Kutan> But it's nice :D
[06:10] <Fade> you could use the console if you wanted with emacs and it would work just as well.
[06:10] <fdoving> Fade: unless this is support related, please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic as this is a support channel. thanks. and if this is support related i'm sorry for interrupting.
[06:10] <Jucato> again... subjective. it's a matter of personal preference
[06:10] <flo> Fade: i get no answer on ubuntu-it i'm sure u know that that messege meens can't find the MIME tipe aplication/octet-stream
[06:10] <Fade> oh... I was answering a direct question. sorry.
[06:10] <Kutan> Couldn't you just use like... nano if you wanted to?
[06:11] <Fade> flo -- when does that error happen?
[06:11] <hybrid> .cl
[06:11] <marco_> any idea for me? :( i need the cam for work... :(
[06:12] <picci> ciao
[06:12] <Kutan> cause nano is an editor in the console... and it definetly ain't pretty.
[06:12] <flo> Fade , when i'm launching kde aplications
[06:12] <marco_> ciao picci :)
[06:12] <Fade> marco -- I think that's an issue with MSN keeping their message protocol secret.
[06:12] <fdoving> Fade: then i'm sorry for interrupting. keep up the good work :)
[06:12] <marco_> not sure... i mean...
[06:12] <marco_> i'ver read in many places about cams working with kopete or amsn
[06:12] <marco_> even with my type of cam... :(
[06:13] <marco_> i've tried FAQs and tutorials and so... nothing work :(
[06:13] <Fade> I've never personally used a camera with any instant messenger, but I have read that it's a problem because most of the big networks keep their format sekret.
[06:13] <marco_> yes :(
[06:13] <Fade> as an experiment set up a jabber account and see if it works with jabber.
[06:13] <maninder> any one know a site were i can download msn for linux?
[06:13] <marco_> uhm... with whom!? :D
[06:13] <maninder> like the lates version
[06:13] <marco_> maninder: search for amsn or kopete
[06:13] <Fade> boy, you want all the answers, eh? ;)
[06:14] <marco_> :P
[06:14] <maninder> i have kotpete its cheap i want msn like windows version
[06:14] <Kutan> Does MSN itself work with WINE too?
[06:14] <marco_> maninder: try aMSN
[06:14] <marco_> i should try msn with wine! nice idea!
[06:14] <maninder> oh wines that program that runs .exe
[06:14] <maninder> ye i can run that i guess
[06:14] <Kutan> That sounded sarcastic >_>
[06:15] <marco_> if it is possible to download it wihout downloading all the damned windows system :)
[06:15] <Kutan> Cause I never get anything right.
[06:15] <Fade> marco -- have you checked with the kopete developers?
[06:15] <marco_> not yet... why bothering for this stupid problem that it seems I'm the only to have? :(
[06:15] <Section32> Is there a GUI tool to manage the firewall in Kubuntu?
[06:16] <jacques_> O suis-je arriv? je dcouvre KUBUNTU ! et Linux par la mme occasion
[06:16] <Chousuke> !fr
[06:16] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:16] <Viper550> You've all seen the pictures of Kubuntu Edgy Knot 2?
[06:16] <Kutan> What does GUI stand for again? XD
[06:16] <Kutan> Graphical Somethin Interface?
[06:16] <Viper550> Graphical. User. Interface.
[06:17] <marco_> User :)
[06:17] <Kutan> Oh yeah
[06:17] <soulrider> Viper550: i havnt, link ?
[06:17] <Fade> porkchops for everybody.
[06:17] <Viper550> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[06:17] <soulrider> id idnt know kubuntu had a firewall :/
[06:17] <soulrider> thanks
[06:17] <marco_> Fade: no, porkchops for everybody is PFE, not GUI! :D:D:D
[06:17] <Fade> d0h!
[06:18] <Fade> soulrider: kubuntu doesn't have a firewall... linux has the firewall.
[06:18] <keith> Hi, can someone help me delete files from a flash drive please?
[06:18] <Fade> kubuntu might have some programs used to configure the firewall in the kernel.
[06:18] <Viper550> Looks nice?
[06:18] <Section32> Yeah I know Linux has the firewall, its called iptables right?
[06:18] <marco_> Viper550: yes, why not? :)
[06:18] <jacques_> je croyais tomber sur du franais !
[06:18] <jacques_> pas sur cette langue incomprhensible !
[06:18] <Fade> yeah
[06:19] <jmichaelx> does anyone in here have the democracy video player installed?
[06:19] <marco_> Viper550: too much violet and purple...
[06:19] <Viper550> Yeah, get used to it. At least I'm contributing a glossy panel bg
[06:19] <soulrider> Fade: i didnt know
[06:20] <soulrider> i dont like that purple ine dgy much :/
[06:20] <Fade> the packet filter in linux is very good.
[06:20] <Section32> I just want to open up my SSH port so I can log into this box from my other machines.
[06:21] <soulrider> they should add some sort of better pppoe support in edgy
[06:22] <soulrider> more graphical :P
[06:22] <Jucato> soulrider: amen to that!
[06:22] <Fade> Section32: you need to set up a port forward on your nat box for port 22.
[06:22] <Jucato> it seems to be a  Debian-based disease...
[06:22] <Fade> whatchew mean, disease?
[06:23] <Fade> it's a feature.
[06:23] <Viper550> Best icons ever: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/44439-1.png
[06:23] <Section32> Fade: I still need to open up the SSH port on this machine first. I can't even log into this box from within my network.
[06:23] <Jucato> lol!
[06:23] <ubuntu__> http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[06:23] <ubuntu__> kubuntu sukz
[06:23] <ubuntu__> slack ownz ^^
[06:23] <Fade> Section32: apt-get install openssh-server
[06:23] <Viper550>  /kick ubuntu__
[06:24] <Jucato> :-D
[06:24] <ubuntu__> come on Viper550
[06:24] <sleeptyper> someone wants a nodebleed ...
[06:24] <ubuntu__> :P
[06:24] <sleeptyper> nosebleed*
[06:24] <ubuntu__> priceless
[06:24] <soulrider> lol
[06:24] <Viper550> "You need to be a channel operator to do that" D'oh!
[06:24] <Fade> reboot. bbiab
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[06:25] <ubuntu__> cry Viper550
[06:25] <ubuntu__> ^^
[06:25] <sleeptyper> ubuntu__, why you are here then? ;)
[06:25] <Viper550> is he a bot.
[06:25] <ubuntu__> kubuntu sukz
[06:25] <Viper550> ???
[06:25] <ubuntu__> slack ownz ^^
[06:25] <Viper550> He's a bot, leave.
[06:25] <Jucato> hm....
[06:25] <sleeptyper> he's a brasilian on live cd
[06:26] <Jucato> nah he's not. he's just someone who has a lot of time and nothing to do...
[06:26] <Kutan> lol
[06:26] <sleeptyper> hehe
[06:26] <Viper550> If you hate Ubuntu, ubuntu__, why are you USING IT RIGHT NOW?
[06:26] <ubuntu__> Viper550:
[06:26] <ubuntu__> cry ^^
[06:26] <sleeptyper> some brassies are morons anyway...
[06:26] <aliasfred> ubuntu__: please behave
[06:26] <Jucato> ok let's not get into racial wars here...
[06:26] <Viper550> Leave. I don't have the capacity to cry.
[06:26] <ubuntu__> cry aliasfred
[06:26] <ubuntu__> ^^
[06:26] <aliasfred> hmmm ok
[06:27] <Jucato> hm.. should I cry for ops?
[06:27] <Section32> Excellent
[06:27] <aliasfred> any channel operator around ?
[06:27] <Section32> Fade: Thanks it worked.
[06:27] <ryan_> hello everyone
[06:27] <Viper550> No...but there is ChanServ
[06:27] <Jucato> aliasfred: should I or should you?
[06:27] <Jucato> call for ops...
[06:27] <fdoving> aliasfred: yes.
[06:27] <ubuntu__> kubuntu sukz
[06:28] <Jucato> oh there...
[06:28] <ubuntu__> slack ownz ^^
[06:28] <Jucato> that's 2
[06:28] <aliasfred> fdoving: ubuntu__ is misbahaving strongly :)
[06:28] <Viper550> ubuntu__ Ironic, I don't use Ubuntu!
[06:28] <Kutan> Why should you be lenient? Obviously the person is an idiot, therefore: Instaban.
[06:28] <aliasfred> thanks
[06:28] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[06:28] <Jucato> <-- ubuntu__ has left this channel (requested by fdoving). <--- requested... our channel is too kind...
[06:28] <Viper550> Yay!
[06:28] <Kutan> lol
[06:28] <fdoving> i'm just too nice.
[06:28] <Jucato> hahah
[06:29] <soulrider> :)
[06:29] <Viper550> Oh yeah, I really do not use Ubuntu. I used to though, so that's why I still contribute
[06:29] <Jucato> May I ask your permission to kick you out of the room?
[06:29] <anon32> KDE is bloated!
[06:29] <Viper550> I
[06:29] <Jucato> lol
[06:29] <Viper550> am using KDE right now
[06:29] <aliasfred> mouaoua
[06:29] <keith> Please help! I'm trying to delete a file from a flash drive using shift-del in konqueror. I get message: 'Could not delete file /media/sdb1/.Trash-1000.'
[06:30] <NDPTAL85> Viper550: What do you use now?
[06:30] <Viper550> Fedora Core 5
[06:30] <NDPTAL85> Viper550: Because you like it or you need it for work?
[06:31] <Jucato> is it just me, or does Konqueror-KGet really have a problem with downloading from pages that use PHP?
[06:31] <Viper550> Switched from Ubuntu Breezy, APT was having problems, and before Ubuntu I used to use Red Hat 9 so I decided to go back to my roots.
[06:31] <ep> Want to update a couple of packages by building from source. Easy enough, "./configure && make && make install", but I don't understand how this fits in (if at all) with the APT packing system.  For instance, how do I uninstall a said package and what do I do if said package is replacing an older version which was installed via apt-get?
[06:31] <Jucato> Viper550: it's kool that FC 5 has realesed Live-Spin. but it would be kooler if it were installable...
[06:32] <fdoving> !checkinstall
[06:32] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall  -  Please: Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page.
[06:32] <fdoving> ep: 
[06:32] <fdoving> ep: ^^
[06:32] <Viper550> I did however before going up to FC5, try installing Gentoo 2006.0
[06:32] <Jucato> ep: if you're still available in 1.5 hours, you're welcome to join us at #ubuntu-classroom
[06:32] <Kutan> o_o;
[06:32] <ep> thank you
[06:32] <malice> Does anyone else know of another good multi player game to get besides chess :)
[06:32] <Jucato> today's class will be about package basics and compiling
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> I used to compile a ton of stuff for no reason back when I first got Mac OS X by using Fink. http://fink.sourceforge.net
[06:33] <malice> I don't wanna learn that :P
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> Fink basically is apt-get for OS X
[06:33] <reddwolf78> does anyone no how to get xmms to work with shoutcast or icecast
[06:33] <Kutan> That's kinda weird... I guess I know now how newbie friendly k/ubuntu is.
[06:33] <Viper550> Jucato: There is a FC5 based installable Live CD distro though called Berry Linux... http://berry.sourceforge.jp/
[06:33] <Jucato> Kutan: huh?
[06:33] <fdoving> malice: netris and gtetrinet. :)
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> But after a while it got old, which is why I never gave Gentoo a try.
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: tried that. Actually had fun trying to log into the Japanese desktop :-D
[06:34] <malice> fdoving: is it multi player?
[06:34] <Kutan> Cause you have a "classroom" o_O, I doubt you see many operating systems with somethin like that.
[06:34] <malice> wait
[06:34] <malice> tetris
[06:34] <malice> fear
[06:34] <malice> hehehe
[06:34] <fdoving> malice: yes, multiplayer tetris :)
[06:34] <Viper550> You can select the English option from the menu
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: but FC 5 Live-Spin is more or less as close as you can get to the real FC right?
[06:34] <fdoving> have to go, visiting inlaws. bye.
[06:34] <Viper550> And the new version even has XGL!
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: I know, I was just playing around with it
[06:34] <Viper550> Yes...
[06:35] <Jucato> Viper550: last I checked, Berry Linux didn't have an English option for XGL. only the japanese login
[06:35] <Viper550> Yes it does
[06:35] <Jucato> hm... darn! just when I erased the CD....
[06:35] <Kutan> Late sleeper.
[06:35] <reddwolf78> does anyone no how to get xmms to work with shoutcast or icecast or alest point me in the right direction
[06:35] <soulrider> hey Hawkwind
[06:35] <Jucato> Hawkwind: good morning!
[06:36] <Viper550> Jucato: "Berry Linux (XGL/English)
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Barely morning!  I did try to sleep til noon :P
[06:36] <Kutan> lol
[06:36] <Jucato> lol
[06:36] <soulrider> lol
[06:36] <Kutan> lol
[06:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: i think this the first time that it's both AM in our timezones
[06:37] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:37] <soulrider> Jucato: are you a bot? youre allways here, and talking :) :P
[06:37] <malice> reddwolf78 just download the link and then drag it over to xmms
[06:38] <Jucato> I wouldn't be talking if I were a bot :-D
[06:38] <Jucato> or I could be a bot with a very high language capability
[06:38] <reddwolf78> what link
[06:38] <Kutan> We could all be bots.
[06:38] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: Right click in the playlist area and you can add URL's or any file type
[06:38] <Kutan> It's a government conspiracy.
[06:38] <reddwolf78> ok
[06:39] <reddwolf78> but i would like to set it up were when i run xmms is broadcast music out
[06:39] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: You mean displayed into IRC ?
[06:39] <soulrider> oh noes! Kutan
[06:40] <reddwolf78> i'm a dj on the weakends and i have loads of music that people want to hear so i used winamp on xp to playmusic online
[06:41] <reddwolf78> and i would like to do that same thing but on linux
[06:41] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: So you want it to where people can tune into your stream ?
[06:41] <Kutan> I know I might be a bit of a lazy bastard but.. Anyone know of a C++ compiler WITH a GUI? I'm not too good with the command line yet.
[06:41] <reddwolf78> yes
[06:42] <reddwolf78> how do i get that set up for linux
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: ices and icecast
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: That's what I use
[06:42] <ubuntu> Hi
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: http://DoomSickle.com:101/stream.ogg   <~~That's mine
[06:42] <ubuntu> Anyone try the Knot 2 ?
[06:42] <reddwolf78> hmm. i have all the packages for ice caszt but to no aval have i gotten it to work were ppl can here me
[06:43] <reddwolf78> cool
[06:43] <reddwolf78> but how would i do something like that for my self
[06:45] <boblenain> HI
[06:45] <Viper550> %96
[06:45] <Viper550> DONE!
[06:46] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: I told you, setup ices and icecast
[06:46] <Viper550> http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/4098/realistiK-r1-tar.bz2.html
[06:46] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: http://DoomSickle.com:101/stream.ogg <- produced some firewall error from here.
[06:46] <reddwolf78> ok
[06:46] <Gomezd3n> Anyone install compiz on KDE that could give me a quick hand?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Did you put that into your audio player or try to open it in a webbrowser ?
[06:46] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: in a web browser, firefox
[06:47] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: That's why.  It's a live stream that you listen to with an audio player like xmms
[06:47] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: hmm ok. true it works thru mplayer
[06:47] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: the error provided by firefox is weird tho
[06:48] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: 'access to port number given has been disabled for security reason'
[06:48] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: seems a lot like a icmp
[06:48] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Right.  It's supposed to do that
[06:49] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: usually when i put url of a stream in firefox, it works ok. what is the different here ?
[06:49] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Not sure.  I've never known my icecast/ices server to play in a browser
[06:52] <qihua> ?
[07:00] <kubuntu-newbie> hi folsk
[07:00] <kubuntu-newbie> folks
[07:00] <Jucato> hi
[07:07] <nickv111> Hello. I'm using the "radeon" X11 driver with my graphics card, but I'm still getting an error when I do "glxgears" saying 'Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".'
[07:08] <nickv111> However, I have "load dri" in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:10] <SonicChao> I installed deKorator -- but how do I use it?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> check its homepage :)
[07:11] <Jucato> SonicChao: deKorator is a window decoration themable engine. so it's in System Settings > Appearance > Window Decorations
[07:12] <SonicChao> Jucato: i see nothing new in there...
[07:12] <Jucato> choose deKorator from the drop-down list.
[07:12] <Jucato> I think you need to install themes for deKorator
[07:12] <Drenhead> I have kubuntu installed, but I tried to install gnome to try it out, now I can't log into the system.  I said KDE should be the default, but now when I reboot, the gnome login screen comes up.  when I login there, the Kubuntu splash screen comes up, but nothing else happens.
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: Oh, i see thanks
[07:13] <Jucato> take note that the version of deKorator from the repositories is older than the current
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: kde-look.org? =)
[07:13] <nivekz> Hello. Is there any gui way to configure autostart in kde?
[07:13] <Jucato> SonicChao: exactly
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: Ok
[07:14] <Jucato> SonicChao: take note though, the deKorator in the repos is version 0.2. the Latest is 0.3. Themes for 0.3 won't work with 0.2
[07:15] <adaran> anyone here use amarok on kubuntu PPC? if so, is it working for you?
[07:16] <Jucato> adaran: Amarok 1.4.2?
[07:16] <adaran> Jucato: yes
[07:16] <Jucato> I think it's bugged
[07:16] <Jucato> they're working on it (I think)
[07:17] <adaran> Jucato: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133450
[07:17] <adaran> i've spelled it out there =)
[07:17] <adaran> is that the same problem you're having?
[07:17] <Jucato> not me. but I've seen the bug reports. there's also another one filed in Launchpad.net...
[07:18] <adaran> Jucato: do you have an url for the launchpad bug
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... hold on
[07:19] <skavenge> *shrug* ive got it running fine on two machoines here (1.4.2)
[07:19] <Jucato> skavenge: PPC?
[07:19] <skavenge> non ppc sorry missed that
[07:19] <skavenge> ;p
[07:19] <Jucato> hehe
[07:19] <Jucato> :p
[07:20] <Fri13> Hello, im having very wierd problem, when i log in, my keyboard layout is right (fi) but after 5-7 seconds, it will change to english. I didnt do anything on KDE side on my account, just added new user and logged in with it, toke few screenshots and logged out and back to my. Xorg is right, Kcontrol is right....
[07:21] <Jucato> adaran: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58566
[07:22] <adaran> Jucato: thanks, that's exactly the problem i'm havin
[07:22] <adaran> *having
[07:22] <Jucato> adaran: take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. eheheh
[07:24] <nickv111> When I do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", it doesn
[07:24] <nickv111> Erm, it doesn't give me an option for the "radeon" driver
[07:25] <Trollinator> nickv111: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[07:25] <Trollinator> then it should give you the option
[07:26] <Fri13> What can change keyboard layout on-the-fly on kubuntu after logged in?
[07:26] <Trollinator> xmodmap, iirc
[07:27] <Fri13> Like im having right layout when im on KDM and when KDE has started. Then after few seconds, it changes it to english.
[07:28] <ubuntu> anyone there?
[07:28] <Trollinator> Alt+F2 --> kcontrol --> regional Settings and Accessibility --> Layout
[07:28] <Trollinator> ubuntu: no, we're not here
[07:28] <Trollinator> i'm just an illusion
[07:28] <Trollinator> you're hallucinating
[07:28] <Trollinator> go to the doctor
[07:28] <Trollinator> NOW
[07:29] <ubuntu> is that all
[07:29] <ubuntu> ?
[07:29] <Trollinator> i'm too much for you already...
[07:29] <ubuntu> hihih
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> SonicChao, http://motyr.cheetux.org.il/deKorator/deKoratorFlashMovie/intallTheme/installTheme.html
[07:30] <Fri13> Nope, it dont work... all those layout settings are right.
[07:30] <ubuntu> i am trying for live cd of kubuntu
[07:30] <Trollinator> Fri13: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:30] <Fri13> Trollinator: it dont help either....
[07:30] <ubuntu> oye gatito hablas espanol
[07:31] <heinkel_111> !es
[07:31] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:31] <Trollinator> what's wrong with it anyway?
[07:31] <ubuntu> wel i do not have problems with the language
[07:31] <Trollinator> does it work when you create another user?
[07:32] <Fri13> Trollinator: My layout is right when i use KDM or when i log in. Then just when i can i open ALT+F2 and i start pressing ? key, it gives right mark as it should on my layout (fi) but after klipper and kerry has started, layout is english.
[07:32] <Fri13> I have checked xorg settings, kcontrol keyboard and region settings... etc.
[07:33] <Trollinator> strange
[07:33] <Fri13> Even keyboard order is only for Finnish and if i take that flag to show, it shows it is finnish.
[07:33] <Trollinator> does it work when you try with another ser?
[07:33] <Trollinator> *user
[07:33] <Fri13> When i use other user, it is how it should be.
[07:34] <Trollinator> i'd just create a new account and merge my settings...
[07:34] <Fri13> But it's not so big deal for me to remove .kde and then just apply those my settings from backups... just liked to know is there somekind extra thing on kubuntu KDE version (because this has ever happend to me on SUSE on 4 years).
[07:35] <Trollinator> that's because ubuntu sucks. Use debian
[07:35] <Trollinator> :o)
[07:36] <Trollinator> i mean it, ubuntu sucks. there has been a fix for libxine for ages, but i still can't play FLACs :/
[07:36] <Fri13> Trollinator: My #1 OS is SUSE still.. but sometimes you just need to use others so you can write about them ;-)
[07:36] <Gatito> or bi densein
[07:36] <Trollinator> i get your point :(
[07:37] <Kr4t05> Trollinator: At least you're honest.
[07:37] <Gatito> vagen strugen vagen
[07:37] <Fri13> Ok, but mayby i found someday reason for that wierd thing... Thx about time...
[07:37] <Gatito> spagueti
[07:37] <Trollinator> Kr4t05: about what?
[07:37] <Gatito> what?
[07:37] <Kr4t05> Trollinator: eh, nothing.
[07:37] <Gatito> your engliish is very poor
[07:38] <Trollinator> who's?
[07:38] <Gatito> whos what?
[07:39] <Trollinator> who's english is very poor?
[07:52] <Jucato> leaving this room to go to #ubuntu-classroom classes (should) start in a few minutes...
[08:00] <randcoop> join ubuntu-classroom
[08:02] <revrogue> mornin all :)
[08:05] <Trollinator> revrogue: it's five past eight
[08:11] <neil__> word
[08:12] <Viper550> Anyone wondering what my Fedora desktop looks like?
[08:12] <Hawkwind> abattoir: How do I set the clock in the bottom right corner to display 12 hour time instead of 24 hour time
[08:12] <Hawkwind> Viper550: No, but they might in #Fedora
[08:12] <Pointblank_> hey all
[08:12] <abattoir> Hawkwind: Date and time format
[08:13] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I see no setting for it in there.  This is on Edgy Knot2 in vmware
[08:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: rt. click ->Date and time format->Times and dates
[08:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: one sec, brb
[08:14] <abattoir> Hawkwind: ok, click on the combobox, you'd see 'pH:MM:SS..'
[08:14] <abattoir> Hawkwind: modify it to your needs
[08:14] <Xcalibur> yo, when I goto install anything, i get BREAK in red letters in adept?
[08:15] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Ahhh, thanks
[08:15] <abattoir> Hawkwind: cool :)
[08:15] <Hawkwind> Can you tell I never use KDE :P
[08:16] <Xcalibur> Hawkind, I need you supergenius-ness
[08:16] <abattoir> Xcalibur: try a 'sudo apt-get update' and a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:16] <Xcalibur> ok
[08:16] <abattoir> Xcalibur: or try installing a package throught the cli to find what exactly it is complaining about
[08:17] <Xcalibur> it has something to do with libgtk
[08:21] <deniel> algum brasileiro?
[08:25] <Hawkwind> !br
[08:25] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[08:30] <actinic> anyone here running opera 9?
[08:30] <Xcalibur> still having prob witht the install, it keeps telling me "E: broken packages"
[08:30] <Xcalibur> I am
[08:30] <Xcalibur> for linux
[08:30] <actinic> Xcalibur, good.  Do you use RSS feeds with it?
[08:31] <Xcalibur> yeah
[08:31] <Perkabalo> Only me who can't reach www.ubuntuforums.org ?
[08:31] <actinic> Xcalibur, i can't seem to edit/abbreivate the rss feed names
[08:31] <Xcalibur> lol
[08:32] <actinic> right-click > properties allows u to edit but it doesn't 'stick'
[08:32] <actinic> could u try?
[08:32] <Perkabalo> :) ?
[08:32] <sleeptyper> Perkabalo, it works, but slowly
[08:32] <Perkabalo> now!
[08:33] <actinic> Xcalibur?
[08:35] <Xcalibur> it lets me
[08:35] <Xcalibur> lol
[08:35] <actinic> interesting
[08:36] <tuliouel> Does Kubuntu 6.06 come with badram or I'll need to install a patch???????????
[08:37] <actinic> tuliouel, it comes with it
[08:37] <actinic> tuliouel, correction it comes with memtest
[08:38] <tuliouel> I've done the memtest. I have the data... What comes next?
[08:38] <Xcalibur> this blows tho, I want firefox, and the only way to use it is with wine
[08:38] <Xcalibur> dammit
[08:38] <actinic> you remaining 286 people can chip in anytime :)
[08:39] <Xcalibur> idk anything about memtest, or badram
[08:39] <Xcalibur> srry
[08:39] <Freethought> Hello :)
[08:40] <Xmov> russian were are you
[08:40] <Xmov> !!!!!!!
[08:40] <Freethought> May i shoot a question?:)
[08:40] <tuliouel> ?
[08:40] <Freethought> ?
[08:40] <actinic> tuliouel, new ram?
[08:41] <tuliouel> So I guess I'll need to get a patch for badram... where can I learn?
[08:41] <Xcalibur> firefox through wine blows
[08:41] <tuliouel> old BAD ram
[08:41] <Freethought> huston i have a problem
[08:43] <aliasfred> !asj
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <aliasfred> !ask
[08:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:43] <willnapier> Hi there everyone
[08:43] <Xcalibur> !hack
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <Xcalibur> !vnc
[08:43] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[08:43] <elknof1> hey. hi everyone
[08:44] <willnapier> Just bought a pc with an intel p965 chipset (core 2 duo). Can't install kubuntu. Anyone here know about this?
[08:44] <elknof1> does anyone knows how to upgrade mi kernel from 386 to 686??
[08:44] <draik> elknof1, type       sudo apt-get install linux-686
[08:45] <Xmov>   
[08:45] <Xmov> !!!!!!
[08:46] <draik> elknof1, then, after its done, remove the 386 by typing           sudo apt-get remove linux-image-386 linux-headers-386 linux-restricted-386
[08:46] <elknof1> draik, will it erase the current version??
[08:46] <draik> no, just overwrite
[08:46] <draik> well, not really overwrite, but makes it as an available boot option
[08:46] <elknof1> draik, thaks..   can i do it on the run??
[08:46] <draik> do it in Konsole (terminal)
[08:47] <tuliouel> Can anubody here tell me where and how to install badram in my machine? I have some defects detected by memtest.
[08:47] <draik> then once it's done, restart and select the 686 boot option
[08:47] <recon0> When I try to play an MP3 file with amaroK, it skips the 3:45 song and refuses to play it.
[08:48] <draik> elknof1, you may also not have the linux-restricted-386 so just delete it from your command and continue with the other 2 removals
[08:48] <elknof1> draik, when the past versions are erased i wont see them anymore in the grub...  isn't it??
[08:48] <draik> that's right
[08:48] <draik> if you want to keep them go right ahead
[08:49] <elknof1> draik, no i dont want to keep them...     hey tahnks a lot
[08:49] <draik> np
[08:50] <draik> elknof1, it could be a while during the 686 install, depending on your CPU and RAM
[08:50] <elknof1> draik, about how many?
[08:50] <draik> dunno
[08:50] <draik> I am running 3.2GHz P4 with 3GB RAM
[08:51] <draik> took only about 2 minutes, tops
[08:53] <elknof1> draik, well u have a super computer...   im running under a pentium m 1.44 1gb ram... it will take like 15
[08:54] <draik> hmmm
[08:54] <draik> well, it will tell you the time in the bottom right-hand corner of your konsole
[08:54] <draik> per download, not so much for the install
[08:57] <draik> elknof1, where are you now on the download/install?
[08:57] <Mitsurugi> (hello) quick question. does kubuntu auto read usb sticks?
[08:59] <elknof1> draik, im downloading...  13%
[08:59] <draik> Mitsurugi, have you tried to plug a USB stick in yet?
[08:59] <draik> elknof1, ok. It will be a while, but well worth it. 686 works really well with Intel
[09:01] <wckdkl0wn> anyone know of a good program for linux that will go to a site u say and download every image on that site?
[09:01] <Mitsurugi> draik: no but will dont wana keep switching between windows and linux because i have no internet connection working for linux
[09:01] <The_Stephan> suse not good
[09:02] <draik> ummm, aren't you using linux right now, Mitsurugi?
[09:02] <Mitsurugi> no
[09:02] <Mitsurugi> cant get kppp to connect to the net
[09:02] <draik> you're using dial-up?
[09:03] <Mitsurugi> yea
[09:03] <draik> ouch
[09:03] <draik> sorry
[09:03] <Mitsurugi> its not really dial up
[09:03] <draik> ummm, you can always mount the USB, but be sure it's recognized first
[09:03] <draik> Kubuntu automatically loads it up for me once I plug in the USB stick
[09:04] <Mitsurugi> k
[09:04] <Zooliegsm> 	i want to do a backup,i mounted a 20gb matrox winchester with fat32 fs,and i started to copy the thing i need.but after a few mp3 and other files the disk is marked as full,but i do nothing.i lost my 16,4gb.....whats the problem? what i need to do?if i mount it,ubuntu says immidietly that "not enough space on drive".
[09:04] <The_Stephan> test
[09:04] <Zooliegsm> hello all
[09:05] <pp> hola
[09:05] <wilfred> Zooliegsm: fat32 can't handle individual files bigger than 2GB - did you have any of thos?
[09:05] <Zooliegsm> nope
[09:05] <pp> algun hispano
[09:05] <Zooliegsm> i know that...i just have mp3 files
[09:06] <Zooliegsm> and some other docs
[09:07] <sleeptyper> wilfred, bigger than 4GB ...
[09:07] <Zooliegsm> any idea?
[09:09] <maninder> yo can some one help me
[09:09] <marcus> hi
[09:10] <maninder> im on the a msn site
[09:10] <maninder> im downloading this shit right now
[09:10] <maninder> do i install it like a windows installer?
[09:10] <marcus> i need help to set openGL resolution
[09:10] <marcus> i can't start up sopengl screensavers
[09:10] <draik> maninder, install what? Nothing really installs like windows
[09:11] <maninder> wow my internet on linux is madd slow
[09:11] <Zooliegsm> sorry,my opera closed....so any idea?
[09:11] <draik> maninder, what are you trying to install? What are you downloading? What do you need help with???
[09:12] <maninder> okay im on this a msn site
[09:12] <willnapier> #freeBSDhelp
[09:12] <maninder> and im downloadint the msn linux version
[09:12] <abattoir> draik: i think he is trying to install amsn
[09:12] <maninder> what do i do once its done?
[09:12] <abattoir> !info amsn
[09:12] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[09:12] <maninder> how do i install it
[09:12] <abattoir> maninder: which file are you downloading? which format?
[09:12] <maninder> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/amsn/amsn-0.95-1.linux-installer.x86_64.bin?use_mirror=easynews
[09:12] <maninder> that one
[09:13] <draik> right you are, abattoir, as always
[09:13] <maninder> i just went gogle and typed in linux msn version
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: are you on a 64 bit pc?
[09:13] <maninder> ye
[09:13] <maninder> 64
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: msn works w/ kopete too
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: which comes preinstalled w/ kubuntu
[09:13] <maninder> naw kopete is cheap
[09:13] <maninder> i want a nice lookin program
[09:13] <abattoir> ok... whatever
[09:13] <maninder> alright its done downloading
[09:13] <maninder> now what?
[09:14] <maninder> double click iT?
[09:14] <draik> maninder, kopete has skins. Get them and change the look
[09:14] <abattoir> yes, especially now that it supports adium themes
[09:15] <maninder> okay listen
[09:15] <abattoir> maninder: also one more thing... do you have the 64 bit version of kubuntu installed?
[09:15] <maninder> i also have flash its a folder i unziped
[09:15] <maninder> ye
[09:15] <maninder> i have the 64 kubuntu
[09:15] <maninder> what do i do with these folders copy and past them?
[09:16] <maninder> in the media fodler?
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: i'd actually recommending setting up universe and multiverse repostitories
[09:16] <maninder> what does that mean?
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: once you do that, things like install amsn, flash is a.... well flash
[09:16] <abattoir> !universe
[09:16] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: ^^^ please read that
[09:16] <maninder> okay but listen
[09:17] <maninder> when i try openin the msn foler its not opening
[09:17] <maninder> it says what program do you wana open with
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: its not a folder..
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: its a binary file...
[09:17] <maninder> ye so what do i do with it?
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: try 'sh ./filename.bin' in the cli
[09:17] <abattoir> !cli
[09:17] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:17] <abattoir> of course, replace filename.bin w/ the actual name of the file...
[09:18] <draik> and don't use the '
[09:18] <abattoir> maninder: but as i said, you might find setting up universe/multiverse and getting packages from there easier
[09:18] <abattoir> draik: aah, yes, thanks :)
[09:18] <draik> abattoir, cya
[09:18] <abattoir> draik: bye :)
[09:19] <draik> abattoir, not cya like "see ya"... cya like "Cover Your @$$"
[09:19] <abattoir> maninder: once you have universe and multiverse setup...
[09:19] <abattoir> draik: heh, lol
[09:19] <abattoir> bah
[09:21] <digivore> !mepis
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mepis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <digivore> what is mepis?
[09:21] <Mehercle> a distro
[09:21] <aliasfred> isnt that another distribution
[09:21] <abattoir> digivore: which is a kubuntu derivative
[09:22] <aliasfred> ah ok this explain why people come here to ask about it :)
[09:22] <digivore> ohh, ok..    if someone is explaing steps on how to install a USB NIC on mepis would that work also in kubuntu?
[09:25] <digivore> anyone have experience installing a linksys WUSB11 in kubuntu?
[09:25] <SonicChao> How to change login window?
[09:28] <wckdkl0wn> anyone know of a good program for linux that will go to a site u say and download every image on that site?
[09:29] <NamShub> wget?
[09:30] <willnapier> anyone here familiar with problems installing linux on a new intel core 2 duo p965?
[09:30] <draik> wckdkl0wn, do you use firefox (or mozilla)? They have an extension called DownThemAll which does that for you
[09:30] <dein> would anyone like to help me with an update problem?
[09:31] <draik> dein, what's your update problem?
[09:31] <sonny> bonsoir, y a des francais ici ?
[09:31] <dein> 4 possible updates have appeared on adept updater for the past week and a half
[09:31] <aliasfred> !fr
[09:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:31] <sonny> merci de l'info !
[09:31] <draik> dein, and? can't install them or what/
[09:31] <sonny> bonne soire !
[09:31] <dein> but when i try to update them, i get 404 errors on all of the packages
[09:31] <draik> ?
[09:31] <aliasfred> sonny: #ubuntu-fr a plus de gens
[09:32] <draik> dein, have you tried through your CLI?
[09:32] <draik> dein,        sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:32] <draik> type that in your konsole
[09:32] <dein> im trying right now
[09:33] <dein> http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/vashmoto/dio.gif
[09:34] <dein> Errhttp://au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main libtag1c2a 1.4-4~dapper1
[09:34] <dein>   404 Not Found
[09:34] <dein> oops sorry about the link lol
[09:34] <dein> but that's the error i keep getting
[09:35] <proudfoot> hi
[09:35] <Mehercle> hi proudfoot
[09:35] <proudfoot> how do I setup a wireless lan card for kubuntu?
[09:35] <proudfoot> uhm, its reconized
[09:36] <proudfoot> but apparently wlassistant fails to detect the power levels of the access point
[09:36] <proudfoot> reporting everything as -1
[09:37] <aliasfred> !wireless
[09:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:37] <draik> backport...
[09:38] <dein> hmmm
[09:38] <dein> didn't notice it was coming from backports
[09:38] <dein> maybe i should try switching to the uk backports repository?
[09:40] <dein> changing to the uk server fixed it draik
[09:41] <dein> thanks for the help
[09:41] <draik> ummm... sure... didn't do anything really, but I guess you're welcome then
[09:41] <Kutan> Hey, what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu again?
[09:41] <Jucato> dein: sorry  just came in. the au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports have been empty since I don't know when. I've noticed that the other day
[09:42] <sophtpaw> hi
[09:42] <dein> hmm weird
[09:42] <sophtpaw> forgot password to my nick
[09:42] <dein> im switching all my repositories to the uk servers
[09:42] <Jucato> Kutan: Kubuntu = KDE, Ubuntu = GNOME
[09:42] <dein> ive had too many problems with au ones
[09:42] <Kutan> Ah
[09:43] <sophtpaw> hi Guys, forgot my password. Anyone, know how that is recovered?
[09:44] <draik> password to what?
[09:44] <dein> one sec sophtpaw
[09:44] <draik> sophtpaw, password to your kubuntu login? IRC login? to what?
[09:44] <aliasfred> q. i mount a directory on a remote computer thru nfs, and i would like to execute the programm from this nfs, apparently i got some right issue, any idea of where i could look ?
[09:45] <Ashex> okay, this is starting to get to me
[09:45] <sophtpaw> draik: says that my nick is already taken. I'm new to kubuntu. used to ubuntu
[09:45] <Ashex> Grub takes 4 minutes to load
[09:45] <Ashex> It used to take less then 10 seconds
[09:45] <draik> sophtpaw, did you register the nick?
[09:46] <Ashex> I have a sata drive that has kubuntu 64-bit and windows on it (seperate partitions), and an ide drive with kubuntu32
[09:46] <sophtpaw> draik: it is my nick, i believe i registered it a long time ago. I use it on teh ubuntu forums
[09:46] <draik> if you registered it, then you can retrieve it
[09:46] <Ashex> the 64-bit went crazy on me so I had to add the ide drive in and install 32-bit to it, after the install the 64-bit install dissapeared from grub
[09:46] <sophtpaw> draik: well, i don't know the password anymore
[09:46] <draik> do you remember the email address you used to register the nick?
[09:46] <Ashex> is it possible that since I have 2 active partitions, it slows down grub?
[09:46] <Ashex> or is grub just fubar?
[09:47] <sophtpaw> draik: not 100% but i think so
[09:47] <draik> ok
[09:47] <draik> sophtpaw, you have to message an op and see if they can help you get it back... let me find one for you
[09:47] <sophtpaw> draik: thx
[09:48] <draik> sophtpaw, type        /msg lilo I forgot my password
[09:48] <draik> lilo can help you out
[09:49] <draik> sophtpaw, you're welcome
[09:49] <sophtpaw> draik: huh?
[09:49] <Pointblank> hey
[09:49] <sophtpaw> miyu, do you play Go?
 draik: thx
[09:49] <sophtpaw> draik: thx, for what?
[09:50] <draik> that's what you said
[09:50] <Pointblank> is this a support channel?
[09:50] <fdoving> Pointblank: yes.
[09:50] <Pointblank> excellent, i have a question
[09:51] <sophtpaw> draik: i still don't have my password. That command you gave me didn't help. I don't remember saying thx either
[09:51] <draik> !ask > Pointblank
[09:51] <draik> sophtpaw, scroll up... and that command messages someone for you. lilo will get to you in time
[09:51] <Jucato> sophtpaw: scroll up and you'll see you said thank
[09:51] <Jucato> thx*
[09:51] <Pointblank> i have a fat32 partition and i go into disks - partitions, create a folder and enable it so i can acess the files ont he parition which works fine
[09:52] <Pointblank> but eveyrtime i restart i have to do this again
[09:52] <Pointblank> how can i make it permenant
[09:52] <Jucato> !fstab
[09:52] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:54] <now3d> Hi, is there a way I can use dpkg to check the md5sums of all installed packages please?
[09:54] <fdoving> now3d: install the 'debsums' package.
[09:55] <aliasfred> good fstab link, i found the option i was looking for :)
[09:55] <aliasfred> aka 'exec' in the fstab line
[09:55] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:55] <Jucato> who knew ubotu could be helpful at times...
[09:56] <aliasfred> well so i believed :)
[09:56] <Pointblank> hey i access the fstab file and my fate2 partition is not listed there, do i just add it?
[09:57] <Pointblank> fat32 even
[09:58] <aliasfred> yep
[09:58] <fdoving> Pointblank: you should consider using /etc/pmount.allow instead of fstab.
[09:59] <fdoving> Pointblank: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions for more information.
[10:01] <Pointblank> nice
[10:01] <Pointblank> ive doen the pmount.allow and i do belive it is working now
[10:01] <Pointblank> thanks
[10:01] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[10:01] <fdoving> it's easier and (often) better than the fstab way :)
[10:02] <fdoving> yes, they do.
[10:02] <Pointblank> yea as you just have to add the partition name instead of all the details
[10:02] <fdoving> Pointblank: as a side note, this will not auto-mount the fat partition at boot.
[10:02] <fdoving> Pointblank: you have to go to media:/ or disks to mount it.
[10:03] <Pointblank> ok i see
[10:03] <now3d> fdoving: Ok, thanks I am testing 2ith "debsums" now. Many packages dont have an md5sums though, do you know why?
[10:03] <Pointblank> brb 5 mins
[10:04] <fdoving> now3d: do you have a example package that doesn't have a md5sum?
[10:05] <now3d> fdoving: ltrace, mawk, mime-support, mount
[10:05] <aliasfred> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-9c1ead18dc7cd4bd83300c275fa72b3e5da182c8 <- reading the motivation of "Why doesn't Ubuntu 6.06 allow me to access my Windows partition straight away?" and i fail to understand. a lot of people complain about this. why not mount it automatically if all the parameters can be guessed ?
[10:05] <now3d> fdoving:  Hmm,i just got this error from debsums:  Reading from filehandle failed at /usr/bin/debsums line 266, <SUMS> line 17.
[10:06] <fdoving> now3d: you can list them with 'debsums -l' actually :)'
[10:07] <Pointblank> ok back
[10:09] <fdoving> now3d: you can use 'debsums --generate=missing' if you know you've got the correct files, and that they haven't been changed.
[10:09] <sf_> how do i change me kwallet password?
[10:10] <fdoving> sf_: open the kwalletmanager, right-click on the wallet -> change password
[10:13] <chopin> i just killed all group execute perms recursively under a directory ... is there a way to chmod -R g+x all directories, avoiding files?
[10:13] <proudfoot> !ndiswrapper
[10:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:14] <proudfoot> blah
[10:14] <proudfoot> !modem
[10:14] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[10:14] <fdoving> chopin: something like: find topdir/ -type d|xargs chmod g+x
[10:14] <chopin> ooh
[10:14] <phreakys> hi there
[10:15] <phreakys> does anyone know if there is an overclocking utility for ati gfx cards on ubuntu?
[10:15] <chopin> fdoving: vielen dank ... that works
[10:16] <fdoving> phreakys: only for nvidia as far as i know.
[10:16] <fdoving> chopin: great :)
[10:16] <phreakys> ah ok
[10:16] <azazel> Bonsoir !
[10:17] <azazel> j'ai une question?Je veux telecharger un truc,bien,mais je prend quois Debian?je suis sous Kubuntu !
[10:17] <fdoving> !fr
[10:17] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:22] <proudfoot> !cn
[10:22] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[10:24] <now3d> fdoving: ok, thanks, could we get them to ship with md5sums files?
[10:24] <phreakys> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91108.html
[10:25] <phreakys> ati overclocking :-)
[10:25] <fdoving> now3d: you could post bugreports.
[10:25] <now3d> fdoving: could you tell me the bug reporting server pls?
[10:25] <Pointblank> i got another quick question, i installed fluxbox and it comes up at start where you choose kde or gnome but how do i uninstall it now
[10:28] <fdoving> Pointblank: kmenu -> system -> adept manager search for fluxbox  click it, and click 'request removal'
[10:30] <Pointblank> ah nice one, thanks again
[10:31] <proudfoot> !chinese
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <proudfoot> blah, how do I install a chinese langauge pack on kubuntu?
[10:32] <proudfoot> !langauge
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about langauge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <phreakys> anyone experience with rovclock?
[10:33] <D4rkly> has anyone installed the second life linux client ?
[10:33] <fdoving> proudfoot: install the package language-pack-kde-zh
[10:34] <fdoving> proudfoot: that is in kmenu -> system -> adept manager
[10:34] <cvasilak> hello, can someone suggest a video4linux capture client?
[10:34] <dmoyne> hello : ; again has anybody made ldap server work with SSL ?
[10:35] <SonicChao> how do I change the bzckground in konqueror?
[10:36] <fdoving> SonicChao: in filemanager:  view -> setup background.. (at the bottom)
[10:37] <SonicChao> fdoving: Ok, thanks =)
[10:38] <Pointblank> is it possible to get weather applets to add to panels on the desktop?
[10:38] <proudfoot> !help
[10:38] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:38] <Pointblank> without using gdesklets
[10:39] <Flosoft> hey
[10:39] <Flosoft> what app does kubuntu use for the bootsplash?
[10:41] <niroxx> hello, can someone of you download the libary "libglu1-mesa" ?
[10:41] <fdoving> Pointblank: you can use superkaramba, but there is also a weather applet you can access though right clicking on the panel -> add program to the panel... find the weather applet.
[10:42] <fdoving> Flosoft: usplash
[10:42] <Flosoft> thx fdoving
[10:42] <Pointblank> fdoving, i right click on panel and go to 'add applet' and there are no weather ones listed, is it under somrthing else?
[10:43] <fdoving> Pointblank: hmm.. hang on.
[10:43] <Pointblank> that is what i was lookjing for though, instead of through another program like gdesklets or something
[10:43] <fdoving> Pointblank: try to install the package 'kweather' (kmenu -> system -> adept manager)
[10:44] <Pointblank> ok one sec
[10:44] <Pointblank> ah yes this seems to be it, once again thanks :P
[10:44] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[10:46] <skavenge> kweather never seems to work for me, says the station needs to be updated
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: use the weather applets from gnome instead
[10:47] <Pointblank> yes i just noticed that
[10:47] <skavenge> they wont add to the panel will they?
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: in gDesklets, they work for me ;)
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: I've never tried that
[10:47] <Pointblank> nah it says that the weather stattion does not exist
[10:47] <skavenge> lol well im not gonna run gdesklets just for weather heh
[10:48] <Pointblank> yea thats why i was looking at this
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: there should be some weather app aside from kweather which drops into panel
[10:48] <Pointblank> yea
[10:48] <Pointblank> none of the stations seem to work for me
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: kweather's always crashed for me at random times anyway
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: like kbear
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: both kbear and kweather I avoid like the plague ;)
[10:49] <skavenge> maybe ill look for one in superkaramba
[10:49] <lotusleaf> skavenge: good idea ;)
[10:49] <Pointblank> whats superkaramba?
[10:49] <lotusleaf> !superkaramba
[10:49] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:49] <skavenge> Pointblank: pretty cool little tool that lets you pick and download all these apps to display -alot- of different things on your desktop
[10:49] <Pointblank> kinda like gdesklets or better?
[10:50] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: yup
[10:50] <Pointblank> does it use a lot of memory while running in backround or is it smooth?
[10:51] <skavenge> smooth for me and i have barely any ram (512)
[10:51] <Pointblank> ok cool il give it a go :P
[10:51] <skavenge> and i use a big info deal called specstatus that uses fake transparency etc and it doesnt hog at all
[10:52] <Pointblank> sweet sounds good i am downloading it now
[10:54] <Pointblank> is liquid weather any good?
[10:54] <Pointblank> or is there a better weather app avaiable with superkaramba
[10:55] <lotusleaf> mythtv also has a weather app, doesn't it? :)
[10:56] <skavenge> Pointblank: looks like the only one i see really
[10:56] <Pointblank> do i have to download from their website? i thought it would auto install through superkaramba but it doesnt seem so
[10:56] <skavenge> nope it just points you to it
[10:57] <skavenge> save it somewhere then do 'install local theme' from the superkaramba window
[10:57] <Pointblank> ah i see
[10:58] <Pointblank> its opening it in kate
[10:58] <Pointblank> is that correct?
[10:58] <Pointblank> and then i save it?
[10:59] <whiskers> i need help with mpeg video files, i can play them, but i dont get any sound
[10:59] <lotusleaf> has anyone tried the game: http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/  ??
[10:59] <whiskers> i get sound in other applications though
[10:59] <skavenge> Pointblank: well i'd right click and 'save link as' personally
[11:00] <Pointblank> ah k
[11:00] <Pointblank> also
[11:00] <Pointblank> the current version requires two other things
[11:00] <Pointblank> imagemagik
[11:00] <Pointblank> and pyqt
[11:01] <Pointblank> do i need to install those aswell or are they allready installed?
[11:01] <skavenge> im checking now
[11:01] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: if it needs them, install them :)
[11:01] <Pointblank> kk
[11:01] <Pointblank> lol
[11:01] <Pointblank> i was just wondering if they were allready on :P
[11:02] <skavenge> mine works
[11:02] <skavenge> must be installed
[11:02] <Pointblank> nice
[11:02] <skavenge> wow thats fancy ;) a little large though
[11:02] <Pointblank> hmmi was hoping for something compact, maybe it can be made smaller with a little settings editing
[11:03] <skavenge> looks like that may be it for size
[11:03] <Pointblank> something like the size of kweather, but something that works unlike kweather
[11:03] <lotusleaf> there's always gdesklets which has several weather applets to choose from :)
[11:03] <Pointblank> i have gdesklets but i found it slowed my computer down a bit
[11:04] <lotusleaf> really?
[11:04] <Pointblank> or might have been my imagination, does it use a lot of memory/cpu while runningin background
[11:04] <Pointblank> i found it wasnt as fast as without them
[11:05] <Pointblank> i havent used them in a while though
[11:05] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: perhaps it would depend on the applet(s) loaded?
[11:05] <skavenge> omg you can add a webcam to liquidweather, thats slick, theres one near me on the harbor
[11:05] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: not in my experience but YMMV
[11:05] <Pointblank> i did have about5 applets running
[11:05] <Pointblank> awesome
[11:05] <Pointblank> where abouts are you? UK?
[11:05] <Pointblank> woo its finished downloading
[11:06] <skavenge> u.s. .. its a big app size wise though, maybe ill just run it on my second desktop or something
[11:06] <Pointblank> yea
[11:07] <Pointblank> how do i change the location, i cant see any where to do it
[11:08] <skavenge> at the bottom put your city in the weather.com search then add it to the 'locations'
[11:08] <skavenge> its insanely close for me and i live in the sticks in the midwest, its getting its info from a spot about 20 minutes away from me heh
[11:09] <Pointblank> at the bottom where? theres no textbox or anything
[11:09] <skavenge> you did right click and go to configure theme right?
[11:09] <Pointblank> ah no, i thought configure theme would just be colours and stuff, my bad
[11:10] <skavenge> ah, yeah, what i said earlier is under the 'location' tab
[11:10] <Pointblank> i got it now :p thanks
[11:10] <Pointblank> now where can i find a webcam
[11:11] <skavenge> says its got a plugin for 'kxdocker' .. hmm
[11:11] <skavenge> !info kxdocker
[11:11] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[11:11] <skavenge> interesting
[11:11] <whiskers> i read the wiki and i still cant get sound for my mpeg files, and one of the files the wiki says its in the repositories
[11:12] <whiskers> libxine-extracodecs isnt in there
[11:12] <skavenge> have you enabled universe and multiverse repositories?
[11:12] <whiskers> yes
[11:12] <skavenge> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:12] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:12] <skavenge> well its in multiverse, thats where i got mine from ;)
[11:13] <Pointblank> woah this is annoying, i keep changing the place in the settings but it sticks on wellington
[11:14] <Pointblank> damnit it wont get off wellington
[11:14] <skavenge> click on 'update' in the right click window
[11:14] <Pointblank> yea
[11:14] <whiskers> its not there
[11:14] <Pointblank> and then it does the update, refreshes, and its back on wellington
[11:14] <skavenge> whiskers: you did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs?
[11:15] <whiskers> i have adept open
[11:15] <skavenge> Pointblank: maybe try the reload theme option
[11:15] <skavenge> whiskers: try it from cli
[11:15] <whiskers> and i pasted the name in
[11:15] <skavenge> konsole
[11:15] <whiskers> ok
[11:15] <skavenge> you may get an error which might tell us whats going on
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: don't forget to close adept first
[11:16] <skavenge> TheGateKeeper: yeah right good call ;)
[11:16] <whiskers> libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:16] <whiskers> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:16] <whiskers>  :(
[11:16] <Pointblank> hey skavenge, the reload theme worked
[11:17] <skavenge> whiskers: your running dapper right? my apt is seeing it
[11:17] <whiskers> yes
[11:17] <whiskers> kubuntu 6 LTS
[11:17] <fdoving> whiskers: you need to have the multiverse repository enabled to get that package.
[11:17] <fdoving> !multiverse
[11:17] <whiskers> is that thw cd says
[11:17] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:17] <whiskers> i have them all turned on
[11:18] <fdoving> did you run 'apt-get update' or 'fetch updates' in adept?
[11:18] <fdoving> after enabling the repositories.
[11:18] <whiskers> i clicked fetch updates
[11:18] <skavenge> either that or something may be wrong with the sources.list then because the package is in the repos ;/
[11:18] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: put this into konqueor --> apt:/show?libxine-extracodecs
[11:18] <whiskers> ok
[11:19] <whiskers> it says no package found
[11:19] <whiskers> and im on a ubuntu site that syas it has the file but so far all the dowload locations are missing the file
[11:20] <whiskers> ok i found one that works
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: me thinks it's time for this: ---> http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[11:20] <fdoving> whiskers: please go though this guide one more time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-775cf32093c1bb05fef1e24465c9be753d760275
[11:20] <whiskers> ok
[11:20] <Pointblank> im off everyone, thanks for all the help
[11:21] <fdoving> bye pointblank.
[11:21] <skavenge> yeah something tells me mutliverse isnt actually enabled right now
[11:21] <skavenge> cya Pointblank
[11:21] <Pointblank> cyas
[11:21] <whiskers> ohhh
[11:21] <whiskers> i have to type stuff in? i just clicked and chose enable on them
[11:22] <icheyne> is there a good network monitor that lets me see bandwith down and uploaded on a graph?
[11:22] <lotusleaf> icheyne: gkrellm
[11:22] <lotusleaf> !gkrellm
[11:22] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[11:23] <icheyne> thanks lotusleaf
[11:23] <icheyne> I'll check that out
[11:23] <icheyne> :)
[11:23] <lotusleaf> icheyne: there are many other options as well, yw
[11:23] <fdoving> icheyne: ntop is nice too, might be overkill. nload could work.. console only though.
[11:24] <lotusleaf> icheyne: gkrellm has a lot of cool plugins
[11:24] <skavenge> tons heh
[11:24] <icheyne> something simple and with a gui and graph is ideal
[11:25] <lotusleaf> icheyne: ksysguard may have that option
[11:25] <icheyne> lotusleaf, I tried kysguard but I couldn't get it to work
[11:26] <icheyne> I'm just trying gkrellm
[11:26] <icheyne> looks interesting
[11:26] <lotusleaf> icheyne: did you drag the network selection so it would work?
[11:27] <icheyne> lotusleaf, I selected ra0 - the name of my network interface - is that what you mean?
[11:28] <grizzly> dpkg -i /var.../archives/bum.deb gives dependency problems, now I can apt-get and download each dependency seperately,
[11:28] <grizzly> but isn't there something better? Like drab all dependencies?
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: that's odd, it works for me ;/
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: but gkrellm looks better IMO :)
[11:29] <icheyne> lotusleaf, thanks
[11:29] <icheyne> :)
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: yw
[11:29] <fdoving> icheyne: ksysguard works nicely. you just have to make a new 'work sheet' (don't know if that's the correct name, translated on the fly from norwegian). then drop the send and recieve data sensors into the work sheet. and you've got a nice GUI graph.
[11:30] <grizzly> Or plz tell me the  a way to install old version of apps from archive folder.
[11:30] <lotusleaf> fdoving: beautiful detail ;)
[11:30] <lotusleaf> fdoving: which probably explains why it didn't work for him because the default screen for plots is full ;)
[11:30] <icheyne> fdoving, I tried that - took me a while to work it out - but no graph data came up
[11:30] <icheyne> weird
[11:31] <lotusleaf> icheyne: is it working in gkrellm?
[11:31] <icheyne> I can't see a graph
[11:31] <lotusleaf> ;/
[11:31] <icheyne> but I can see there is an activity in gkrellm
[11:31] <icheyne> there's an internet option
[11:32] <icheyne> fiddling with it now
[11:32] <lotusleaf> =)
[11:35] <icheyne> fdoving, which sensor is best just for getting an idea of the bandwidth?
[11:35] <icheyne> the tcp packets one seems to log every single packet
[11:35] <fdoving> icheyne: data transmit and recieve
[11:36] <icheyne> and slowly
[11:36] <icheyne> ah I see them
[11:36] <icheyne> hang on
[11:37] <proudfoot_> hi people
[11:37] <fdoving> hi proudfoot_.
[11:40] <fdoving> icheyne: this is my setup: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/ksysguard-network.png
[11:41] <fdoving> icheyne: as you can see i have transmit/data and recieve/data in the first graph.. and transmit/packets and recieve/packets in the second graph.
[11:41] <icheyne> cool
[11:41] <icheyne> just trying to bring it up now
[11:41] <icheyne> for some reason xchat is not associated with firefox
[11:41] <icheyne> hang on
[11:41] <soulrider> hey there
[11:41] <fdoving> icheyne: to make more room on the 'sheet' use the properties in the edit menu.
[11:41] <soulrider> is anyone here int he kubvuntu fold@home tea ,?
[11:41] <soulrider> team*
[11:42] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:42] <shadowr3d> yay
[11:42] <shadowr3d> im not banned anymore
[11:42] <shadowr3d> waaaaaaaaaahooooooooooo
[11:42] <icheyne> fdoving, thanks so much
[11:42] <icheyne> that's very cool
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> I can't work out how to make the Y-axis easier to understand
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> it does not demarcate itself at all
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> but it's a good start
[11:43] <fdoving> shadowr3d: welcome back, and now behave nice, and enjoy :)
[11:43] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:43] <shadowr3d> who r you
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello yango
[11:44] <shadowr3d> please dont ban me anymore
[11:44] <fdoving> shadowr3d: saying hello 3 times in a row within the same minute isn't considert nice behaviour. it's noisy and annoying.
[11:44] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:44] <shadowr3d> sorry
[11:44] <shadowr3d> does anyone have winxp?
[11:44] <fdoving> shadowr3d: if you're looking for general chat, you should visit #kubuntu-offtopic - since this is strictly a support channel.
[11:45] <icheyne> fdoving, thanks again - I'll head off
[11:45] <icheyne> night
[11:45] <icheyne> :)
[11:45] <shadowr3d> I do need help
[11:45] <fdoving> icheyne: you're welcome, bye. :)
[11:45] <ubuntu> hi ppl
[11:46] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:46] <shadowr3d> fdoving
[11:46] <shadowr3d> i need support
[11:46] <fdoving> shadowr3d: if you need help, please compose a question with details on the problem, what you've done to try to solve it, and so on. and ask. don't write random stuff to the channel hoping for someone to ask you questions about your problem.
[11:47] <alexandros> hello all :)
[11:47] <fdoving> hi.
[11:47] <Alvin> need help how to install skype please
[11:48] <fdoving> !skype
[11:48] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:48] <shadowr3d> o ok then how do make a sound card work on xp because i've tried using the device manager ive also tried looking up the manufactures website but it wont work
[11:48] <Alvin> thank you
[11:48] <fdoving> shadowr3d: this channel is for Kubuntu (http://kubuntu.org) support, not Windows XP.
[11:48] <alex_akos> (ROLF)
[11:49] <shadowr3d> what is the channel support for xp then?
[11:49] <shadowr3d> do they have one
[11:49] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: WinXP? You mean you haven't upgraded to Ubuntu yet?
[11:49] <fdoving> shadowr3d: i don't know, you could try #windows or #winxp or something like that.
[11:49] <shadowr3d> yes i have kubuntu
[11:49] <shadowr3d> o ok
[11:49] <shadowr3d> i dual boot
[11:49] <shadowr3d> im using kubuntu right now
[11:49] <driz> Hey guys i need help to install easyubuntu
[11:50] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: do a /list and look for windows related channels
[11:50] <fdoving> !easyubuntu
[11:50] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[11:50] <fdoving> driz: ^^
[11:50] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:50] <shadowr3d> thanks
[11:51] <fdoving> shadowr3d: you're welcome. in the future try to write more than one word on each line, as one word per line is considered noisy.
[11:52] <shadowr3d> its because i always get connected to this channel and i dont know anymore channels so thank you for the /list
[11:53] <||Dragon||> Oi alguem pode me ajuda?
[11:53] <||Dragon||> No consigo instala o amsn
[11:53] <word> !es
[11:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:54] <soulrider> !br
[11:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:54] <word> ah yes didn't quite look like spanish
[11:54] <||Dragon||> Thanks , i go to ubuntu-pt
[11:54] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:54] <soulrider> ;)
[11:54] <soulrider> ^_^
[11:55] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:55] <fdoving> :)
[11:55] <||Dragon||> But, i need install packges of tcltls, and my ubuntu not install
[11:55] <||Dragon||> the packges
[11:56] <shadowr3d> how can i get more games on kubuntu
[11:56] <shadowr3d> oops sorry
[11:56] <soulrider> lol
[11:56] <fdoving> shadowr3d: use adept manager (kmenu -> system -> adept manager) to install games and applications.
[11:56] <soulrider> there are better clients than aMSN in my opinion
[11:57] <shadowr3d> how can i get more games on kubuntu ive tried the adept package manager and i got some game but i want more is there a website i can go to?
[11:57] <fdoving> ||Dragon||: you should enable the universe repository.
[11:57] <||Dragon||> o soulrider, better clients?
[11:57] <fdoving> !universe
[11:57] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:57] <soulrider> yes
[11:57] <||Dragon||> hmm fdoving thanks
[11:57] <soulrider> Kopete is better than aMSN and so is GAIM
[11:57] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:58] <soulrider> linuxgamers.org ?
[11:58] <soulrider> or somehting like that
[11:58] <shadowr3d> fdovin could you help me
[11:58] <fdoving> shadowr3d: probably not, if it is game related i don't know anything.
[11:58] <soulrider> as i said
[11:58] <soulrider> there sa site called linux gamers
[11:58] <soulrider> check it out
[11:58] <||Dragon||> I  use Gaim in my pc
[11:59] <fdoving> i only do tetris
[11:59] <shadowr3d> whats the site?
[11:59] <soulrider> GAIM is cool :)
[11:59] <soulrider> google it, i cant remember
[11:59] <shadowr3d> ok ill try
[11:59] <skavenge> anyone here real good with ipods? ive managed to hose mine pretty good, i need to like totally wipe it competely and start from scratch, anyone know a good program/way to do this?
[11:59] <AZ_AS> freshmeat.net or happypenguin.org might have some more but the games included in the repos are good enough for me for now :)
[11:59] <soulrider> no idea
[11:59] <||Dragon||> i not have install Kopete
[12:00] <shadowr3d> itunes ipod restore
[12:00] <soulrider> Kopete comes with kubuntu
[12:00] <fdoving> shadowr3d: http://linuxgamers.net/ maybe?
[12:00] <shadowr3d> ok
[12:00] <shadowr3d> ill try it thanks
[12:01] <||Dragon||> but i not use Kubuntu, I use Ubuntu, but in my ubuntu have programs of kde
[12:01] <||Dragon||> because i have downloaling this
[12:01] <shadowr3d> what is kopete
[12:02] <dthacker> Does adept really have a user handbook?  When I hit F1, nothing happens?
[12:02] <fdoving> shadowr3d: there is also http://www.linuxgames.com/ and http://www.happypenguin.org/ - kopete is a Instant Messenger client. supports multiple protocols..
[12:02] <shadowr3d> ok thank you
[12:03] <fdoving> dthacker: doesn't KDE helpe center start?
[12:04] <dthacker> fdoving: shiny new install, adept was the first app I started up.
[12:04] <fdoving> dthacker: i don't think there is a adept manual yet, no. but KDE Help Center should start, and tell you that it can't find the docs.
[12:04] <dthacker> I will exit adept and try help center
[12:04] <shadowr3d> which ubuntu is better
[12:05] <fdoving> shadowr3d: depends on who you ask, as you ask in #kubuntu we will tell you that Kubuntu is the best. If you ask in #ubuntu they will tell you Ubuntu is the best, and similar for #edubuntu and #xubuntu..
[12:05] <shadowr3d> o ok
[12:05] <shadowr3d> wait is kubuntu already out
[12:05] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[12:05] <Tm_T> fdoving: ;)
[12:05] <shadowr3d> i mean xubuntu
[12:06] <fdoving> it's like asking at the Mercedes store, what car to buy.
[12:06] <slow-motion> n8
[12:06] <dthacker> fdoving: at the risk of being a heretic :), the first thing I've been asked to install on my fresh Kubuntu 6.06 LTS is .....gaim.   I've clicked off installed packages and tried a search, no dice.
[12:06] <xav__> ubuntu is real funny. it transformed gnome vs kde flamewar in ubuntu vs kubuntu ones ...
[12:06] <xav__> really doesn't make any sense to have one new distrib name for each desktop you use
[12:06] <kieselsteini> xav__: hehe....
[12:07] <lotusleaf> xav__: fluxbox vs. openbox!
[12:07] <xav__> yes lets do fluxbuntu
[12:07] <xav__> and openbuntu
[12:07] <lotusleaf> xav__: nubuntu has fluxbox doesn't it?
[12:07] <kieselsteini> btw. which desktop environment is more used at the moment: gnome or kde...
[12:07] <dthacker> blackboxbuntu
[12:07] <lotusleaf> cliubuntu!
[12:07] <kieselsteini> icebuntu :)
[12:07] <xav__> kieselsteini: no clue, both are not bad, so both are widely used
[12:07] <fdoving> dthacker: did you run 'fetch updates' first? first button from left. in adept.
[12:08] <xav__> windowbuntu
[12:08] <kieselsteini> or Ubuntu TWM Edition
[12:08] <lotusleaf> lookingglassbuntu
[12:08] <kieselsteini> hrhr
[12:08] <dthacker> fdoving:  I will do that after reboot.  I need to check network connectivity and eliminate other human errors. tnx
[12:08] <xav__> kieselsteini: oh, I want that one
[12:08] <lotusleaf> ratpoisonubuntu?
[12:08] <Tm_T> emacsubuntu
[12:08] <lotusleaf> :P
[12:08] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:09] <shadowr3d> how do i get shipit free xubuntu
[12:09] <Tm_T> you don't (?)
[12:09] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: download it, burn it, and ship it to yourself
[12:09] <shadowr3d> hahahha
[12:09] <lotusleaf> :)
[12:09] <shadowr3d> how
[12:09] <xav__> lotusleaf: hey, good idea
[12:09] <shadowr3d> where do i download it