[12:20] <theCore> does specifications are only for projects maintainers, or for anyone that have a feature idea to share?
[12:25] <flacoste> theCore: anyone that have feature idea can and should add a spec
[12:26] <theCore> flacoste: thanks, that's what I thought
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58526 in rosetta "Missing upstream translations for koffice in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58526
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58548 in rosetta "Upstream translations for amarok not imported to Rosetta" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58548
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58556 in rosetta "New upstream translations of k3b not imported to Rosetta" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58556
[01:27] <teolemon> is there anyone here atm involved in rosetta imports ?
[01:27] <Kuhrscher> I post hundrets of bugs ;-)
[01:35] <mdke> teolemon: jordi is.
[01:37] <jordi> hello
[01:39] <teolemon> hi jordi
[01:40] <teolemon> sorry for the delay
[01:40] <teolemon> Mick has uploaded the files for ClamWin
[01:40] <jordi> no probs!
[01:40] <teolemon> in the regular project
[01:40] <jordi> oh, clamwin
[01:40] <jordi> I was going to get back to you on monday
[01:40] <teolemon> so you can delete clamwin-fr
[01:40] <jordi> but if you're here, let's have a look,.
[01:41] <jordi> can you file a bug against launchpad to get clamwin-fr deleted/deactivated?
[01:41] <teolemon> ok
[01:41] <jordi> say you're the person who registered and it's not useful anymore
[01:43] <teolemon> done
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58565 in launchpad "clamwin-fr and foo-cw can be deleted" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58565
[02:48] <teolemon> jordi, how much time would you say rosetta roughly needs to "digest" the translations?
[02:49] <jordi> teolemon: dependso n how busy the queue is
[02:49] <jordi> I'm not sure about now
[02:49] <jordi> I'll do the import now, sorry I was caught doing other things
[02:49] <teolemon> ah ok
[02:50] <jordi> should be pretty quick
[02:50] <teolemon> i thought it was due to a latency in the system
[02:50] <jordi> so is upstream moving to rosetta entirely?
[02:50] <teolemon> just like the mails
[02:50] <jordi> latency in my brain :)
[02:50] <teolemon> if it works well yes
[02:50] <teolemon> mick has said yes as we're still testing translations
[02:51] <teolemon> it's not in main
[02:51] <teolemon> it's a branch fro now
[02:51] <teolemon> for
[02:51] <teolemon> we'll merge it once it's stable
[02:51] <teolemon> on the other hand we will be only using rosetta
[02:52] <jordi> oh wow
[02:52] <jordi> there are a zillion different templates?
[02:53] <teolemon> yup we are considering merging them
[02:53] <jordi> 13, but anyway :)
[02:53] <teolemon> kleankoder is working on it
[02:53] <teolemon> unlucky number
[02:54] <jordi> if it's going to be merged, it's wise to wait until it's done
[02:54] <teolemon> not in the near future
[02:54] <jordi> oh
[02:54] <jordi> righ
[02:55] <teolemon> i've just emitted the idea yesterday
[02:55] <teolemon> we're still fighting with on-access scanning
[02:55] <teolemon> which is a much wanted feature
[02:55] <teolemon> and we lack coders :-(
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58579 in rosetta "no kopete translations in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58579
[03:06] <teolemon> Do guidelines for translators exist, a how-to we could link to ?
[03:07] <teolemon> i think the brazilian team has made smg
[03:07] <teolemon> but it's ... in portuguese
[03:07] <teolemon> Portugues
[03:07] <teolemon> damn
[03:07] <teolemon> Portuguese
[03:10] <teolemon> it was from Og i think
[03:11] <teolemon> and it's in English
[03:11] <teolemon> good
[03:22] <jordi> smg?
[03:24] <teolemon> what does smg stands for ?
[03:24] <teolemon> something ?
[03:25] <jordi> oh, something
[03:25] <jordi> I had no idea
[03:25] <jordi> :)
[03:27] <jordi> teolemon: are there translations already done?
[03:27] <teolemon> yup
[03:27] <jordi> if so, they should have been uploaded too
[03:27] <teolemon> fr_Fr and nl_BE
[03:27] <jordi> so rosetta can import them
[03:27] <teolemon> i though each transltor could upload translations afterwards
[03:28] <teolemon> wait a second
[03:28] <teolemon> opening #clamwin
[03:28] <jordi> they can
[03:29] <jordi> but if we upload them at once now, we will have them in from the very first moment
[03:29] <jordi> and this will avoid fragmentation
[03:29] <teolemon> ok
[03:30] <teolemon> Mick doesn't seem to be online right now, i guess we'll have to wait
[03:31] <jordi> ok
[03:31] <jordi> I'll probably be away until monday
[03:31] <teolemon> basically, everything available is here http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/clamwin/branches/i18n/clamwin/po/
[03:31] <jordi> aha
[03:39] <teolemon> i sent you and Mick tared files of fr_FR and nl_BE
[03:39] <teolemon> taredgzed to be precise ;-)
[03:41] <jordi> got it
[03:43] <teolemon> in fact i would like to get it done today because I've got a bunch of hyper important things next week for school.
[03:43] <asabil> hello again
[03:43] <teolemon> hopefully mick will be back in a couple of hours
[03:43] <jordi> ok
[03:43] <asabil> sftp / http sync problem again ?
[03:43] <asabil> for bzr
[03:44] <jordi> teolemon: understand this is my weekend, I'll try to get it done today, but I can't promise
[03:44] <jordi> I need to get food now
[03:44] <teolemon> sorry
[03:44] <teolemon> yes
[03:44] <teolemon> i'm in vacations
[03:44] <teolemon> i didn't realize
[03:44] <jordi> lucky ;)
[03:44] <jordi> don't worry, I'll try my best
[05:02] <teolemon> re
[06:46] <nictuku> hi
[06:47] <nictuku> when trying to upload a crash report of ~15mb, launchpad gives a 500 internal server error message
[06:52] <mick_home> hi, i'd like to ask that someone (whoever is leading LP) joins openusability.org
[06:53] <mick_home> I'm having issues being able to figure out this system, and I'm a developer (I'm not an idiot by any means)
[06:53] <mick_home> also, the restriction for "you must use a lowercase letter as the first letter of a team name" should be taken away
[06:54] <mick_home> this should be handled on the backend
[06:54] <mick_home> just always lowercase the input
[06:55] <mick_home> i just typed in the name of the "driver" - which is "Clamwin-l10n-team" for this particular project, and it didn't like what i typed in... the dropdown says "Clamwin-l10n-team"
[06:56] <mick_home> my guess is that it displays things w/ something like ucfirst() - but it is looking for a case sensitive word
[07:01] <nictuku> mick_home, if no one answers you here, I suggest you file a bug to 'launchpad' with your suggestions
[07:01] <nictuku> though I'm not sure that is the best way to get their attention
[07:02] <mick_home> it needs a major overhaul in regards to usability IMO
[07:03] <mick_home> i honestly feel like a moron - since teolemon is telling me where to look for simple things like ACL-type stuff
[07:04] <BjornT> nictuku: when you got the 500 message, you should have gotten an OOPS id. if you give me that id i can take a look at what's wrong.
[07:04] <mick_home> well, i wish you guys the best of luck w/ LP
[07:05] <nictuku> BjornT, I closed the window already, but I don't think I got that. I'll try again
[07:06] <BjornT> mick_home: right, it's a bit confusing, we have two concepts of name in launchpad. one is a unique identifier, which is useful when you want to uniquely identify something. the other name is a display name, which is a nicer textual representation than what the unique name is.
[07:07] <mick_home> when i tried to select the dropdown name, i got a popup w/ a search
[07:07] <BjornT> mick_home: if you have concrete suggestions for how to improve things, i suggest filing bugs for each concrete thing. for more general suggestion, it's probably best to send an email to launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com
[07:08] <mick_home> which i also found a bit weird :)
[07:08] <BjornT> hmm, yeah, that's strange :)
[07:08] <mick_home> nah, i'll harass teolemon w/ those questions
[07:09] <mick_home> i'll be honest - i have a bunch of concrete examples where I think things could be easier (from a usability point of view)
[07:09] <mick_home> but I don't have the time to fill out bug reports for each
[07:09] <mick_home> i have a lot of OSS that i work on already
[07:10] <mick_home> i'll try to help where i can though
[07:11] <mick_home> i also don't like the concept of reviewing each upload
[07:11] <mick_home> i understand the need to check things, but that makes for double the work
[07:11] <mick_home> most things can be done programatically
[07:11] <BjornT> mick_home: well, if you do find time, usability suggestions are always welcome.
[07:12] <BjornT> mick_home: are you talking about uploading po files?
[07:12] <mick_home> lets say a projects uploads 4 translations, they should be grouped differently than the others -- since if they got 1-4 correct then 5-10 will most likely be ok too
[07:12] <mick_home> BjornT, yes
[07:13] <mick_home> in my experience working with translators, people like to see things "now"
[07:14] <mick_home> in the case of clamwin, we check the translations before they get uploaded
[07:14] <BjornT> mick_home: ok, i don't know much about how that works. it's something to bring up with carlos, danilos or jordi.
[07:14] <mick_home> so having them checked again, just makes for more work for you guys (IMO)
[07:15] <mick_home> teolemon, if you get a chance (when you talk to jordi) -- can you bring that up ;)
[07:15] <mick_home> ah - hello jordi 
[07:16] <mick_home> jordi, i was just talking about the uploads of translations
[07:18] <jordi> as for checking, this kind of holding the translations normally only happens the first time you upload a file
[07:19] <jordi> it's done like this for "security" reasons, to avoid random people uploading clamwin translations to rosetta, which you'll learn about 3 months later
[07:19] <jordi> mick_home: I was telling teolemon that having one template would be so much better than 13 differnt ones
[07:20] <teolemon> yup i've talked to kleankoder about that
[07:20] <mick_home> well it is always the same file w/ just that one translation per 
[07:20] <jordi> SteveA: wow, that was quick :)
[07:21] <jordi> mick_home, sorry?
[07:21] <mick_home> nm
[07:21] <jordi> I didn't get that last bit
[07:21] <jordi> ok
[07:21] <jordi> if you guys want, I can upload these 13 templates + files
[07:21] <mick_home> i need to get back to what i was doing, thanks for the help and good luck w/ LP
[07:21] <jordi> but it's a pita
[07:21] <jordi> laters mick
[07:23] <jordi> telyou tell me what to do. Uploading 13 templatyes will take a while. I'll have to process 39 files
[07:24] <teolemon> if you have time do it, but if it bothers you on your rest day, don't bother
[07:24] <teolemon> i'll be able to wait until thurday ;-)
[07:24] <jordi> I can do it on monday
[07:25] <jordi> but I stress that having one template is better for everyone: maintainers, translators and... rosetta people :)
[07:25] <teolemon> yes, definitely. 
[07:25] <teolemon> I'll harass kleankoder about it
[07:25] <teolemon> regularly
[07:26] <teolemon> if he gets online before monday, i'll ask him the time he needs to do it
[07:26] <teolemon> if it's reasonable, we'll hold things
[07:27] <jordi> okay
[07:27] <jordi> if it's too much owrk or won't be done early, we'll do 13 files
[07:29] <teolemon> a funny fact about ClamWin: most of us run Linux while we work to produce an antivirus to make Windows bearable for ppl ;-)
[07:29] <teolemon> it's kind of vicious
[07:30] <jordi> heh
[07:32] <teolemon> i have to go back to my revisions
[07:32] <teolemon> have a nice day/evening everybody
[08:47] <Xmov>    
[08:47] <Xmov> !!!!!!!
[08:54] <Keybuk> umm?