[01:00] <kwwii_> ngith all
[01:00] <kwwii_> erm
[01:00] <kwwii_> night all
[03:29] <Seveas> troy_s, I now have usplash on 1024x768x256 with a .png progressbar which can also pulsate (may be required soon). Now all I have to do is implement BOGL font handling for the svga part and all the usplash crack I can think of is there
[03:29] <Seveas> I hope mjg59 accepts most of it ;)
[10:40] <kwwii_> moin
[12:04] <sladen> Seveas: pulsate? :)
[12:05] <Seveas> sladen, crappy video: http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[12:07] <Seveas> you can't see it but the progressbar is also a .png
[12:08] <sladen> ACCESS DENIED
[12:08] <sladen> Seveas: chmod o+r usplash.avi
[12:09] <Seveas> damn scp
[12:09] <Seveas> how do I make scp take UMASK into account on the remote machine?
[12:09] <Seveas> (it's readable now btw)
[12:12] <kwwii_> wow, now that is a screenshot
[12:13] <Seveas> btw: I hate ati
[12:13] <Seveas> too many modeswitches and my machine hangs
[12:13] <Seveas> and unfortunately usplash testing involves modechanges
[12:17] <Seveas> sladen, looks pretty decent, eh (apart from the general crappyness of the video) ;)
[12:18] <sladen> Seveas: scp -p usplash.avi seveas@machine.example.com:public_html
[12:18] <Seveas> hmm, it never occured to me to use -p for that
[12:18] <Seveas> thanks!
[01:23] <troy_s> seveas you rock
[01:25] <PingunZ> Why is that troy_s ?
[01:25] <troy_s> usplash stuff.
[01:25] <PingunZ> Is it working ?
[01:25] <PingunZ> the high res + high color ?
[01:27] <Seveas> PingunZ, only i386+amd64
[01:27] <PingunZ> I have i386
[01:27] <PingunZ> And edgy so it should work ..
[01:27] <PingunZ> How can i test it and what shoudl I do ?
[01:27] <Seveas> it works on dapper too ;) (I'm still on dapper)
[01:28] <Seveas> You can't test yet
[01:28] <Seveas> I want to implement one more required thing
[01:28] <PingunZ> Well, pro's like you guys need stability :)
[01:28] <PingunZ> Ok, let us know when we can test it and how to make smashing usplash' :)
[01:29] <PingunZ> Seveas: Will it be included in Edgy ?
[01:29] <Seveas> PingunZ, I hope so
[01:29] <Seveas> it depends on having a ppc implementation
[01:30] <PingunZ> I hope you succeed
[01:30] <PingunZ> Btw, Will it be hard to make a usplash with a custom throbber ?
[01:31] <troy_s> seveas
[01:32] <troy_s> do you happen to know the specs basically?
[01:32] <troy_s> and don't hate ati
[01:32] <Seveas> PingunZ, no it isn't
[01:32] <troy_s> apparently AMD is going to open source a limited set of their cards now that they own them
[01:32] <PingunZ> omg Seveas you're a god :)
[01:32] <Seveas> troy_s, I know the specs -- I implemented it ;)
[01:32] <troy_s> believe it or not. :)
[01:32] <troy_s> laf.
[01:32] <troy_s> well... enlighten me
[01:33] <PingunZ> * us :)
[01:33] <troy_s> did you see msikma's usplash mock?
[01:33] <troy_s> i originally planned to use a spotlight approach, and your additions make it feasible it appears.
[01:33] <Seveas> troy_s, yes, themes can include custom animations
[01:34] <Seveas> but they have to be programmed, just like custom throbbers
[01:35] <Seveas> and all frames need to use the exact same pallette
[01:35] <troy_s> hrm...
[01:35] <troy_s> do you have a code snippit?
[01:35] <troy_s> palette mapping is dead easy for me since i have become an imagemagick zealot
[01:36] <troy_s> that set of tools is bloody remarkable.
[01:36] <Seveas> basically, a function is called 25 times a second to let you draw the next 'frame'
[01:37] <troy_s> and you use what to draw the frame?  svgalib?
[01:37] <Seveas> svgalib on i386/amd64, bogl on ppc
[01:37] <troy_s> wow... the possibilities are quite massive on that.
[01:37] <Seveas> but with platform-agnostic wrappers
[01:37] <troy_s> are there any limits on the frames etc?
[01:37] <Seveas> 256 colors
[01:37] <troy_s> numerically speaking
[01:38] <troy_s> 256 is no limit really -- unless you are a die hard grad freak.
[01:38] <Seveas> I have a very decent 256 color splash
[01:38] <Seveas> see that movie I posted
[01:38] <Seveas> http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[01:38] <troy_s> yes i checked it out...
[01:38] <Seveas> movie itself is crap, but it shows some possibilities
[01:38] <troy_s> so the progress bar is ???
[01:39] <troy_s> is that progress bar a variation on the 25fps function?
[01:39] <troy_s> or a sep issue?
[01:39] <troy_s> could you email me the code snippit so I could peep at it and possibly get a working usplash for your code?
[01:40] <Seveas> the progress bar is inside the 25fps function
[01:41] <Seveas> that function gets as argument whether the thing is pulsating or not
[01:41] <Seveas> but font unification first, then I'll send code ;)
[01:42] <troy_s> i don't want the code code, just the code for the function so i can wrap my head around it.
[01:42] <troy_s> and by pulsating, i couldn't quite get what you mean from your vid.
[01:43] <troy_s> slick looking though... very slick.
[01:45] <Seveas> with pulsating I mean the thing moving from left to right and back
[01:47] <troy_s> ahh i see... of course we could do any number of things... does that progress bar in your sample consist of only the
[01:47] <troy_s> image area?
[01:47] <troy_s> or is it a smaller box that is moved
[01:47] <troy_s> etc?
[01:47] <Seveas> it is a part of an image rendered again every step
[01:48] <Seveas> every time a different part of the image
[01:48] <troy_s> same dimensions no doubt?
[01:48] <Seveas> yes, same dimensions
[01:48] <troy_s> ahh great.
[01:48] <PingunZ> Seveas: So It'll be 1280*1024 && 256 colors ?
[01:49] <troy_s> well i must sleep.  just got in from work and need to hit the GDM stone tomorrow to finish up the other variation
[01:49] <troy_s> bloody dox for gdm are rather limited.
[01:49] <Seveas> PingunZ, my idea is 640x400x256 default, but making it asy (and providing the themes) to use a higher resolution
[01:50] <Seveas> my display can't use 1280x1024 for instance
[01:50] <troy_s> 640x400@8bpp is pretty bloody good.
[01:50] <troy_s> compared to where we are at
[01:50] <troy_s> especially if it abides by the ubuntu 'no touch kernel' approach.
[01:50] <Seveas> indeed
[01:50] <Seveas> and it's all in userspace
[01:51] <troy_s> how swell is that...
[01:52] <troy_s> who is responsible for the approval on usplash?
[01:52] <Seveas> mjg59 has to accept my patches into his source
[01:52] <Seveas> I've e-mailed him about ot, but no response yet
[01:52] <troy_s> is this in conjuntion with scott's work on usplah?
[01:52] <troy_s> usplash even
[01:53] <Seveas> scott wants to use usplash for boot logging
[01:53] <Seveas> and translated boot messages
[01:53] <PingunZ> Seveas: What about 800*600*256 ?
[01:54] <Seveas> PingunZ, what about it?
[01:54] <PingunZ> as default :)
[01:54] <Seveas> dunno
[01:54] <sladen> PingunZ: it will try to boot in the same resolution as your X detected would be correct
[01:55] <PingunZ> That would be cool :)
[01:59] <troy_s> greets sladen
[01:59] <troy_s> seveas -- doesn't scott have a usplash in the works as well?  usplash2?
[02:00] <troy_s> frank was in contact on it so that we could ultimately try to target it.
[02:00] <troy_s> but ... its so damn late now it might be hard to target its traits.
[02:01] <troy_s> bed.
[02:01] <troy_s> chat you folks tomorrow.
[02:01] <troy_s> be good brothers.
[02:03] <PingunZ> Bye troy_s
[03:22] <fschoep> bersace: The right man in the right place! I just sent you an e-mail.
[03:22] <PingunZ> hey fschoep :)
[03:22] <fschoep> Hi PingunZ
[03:22] <bersace> fschoep: *I*'v just sent you (back) an e-mail !! :P
[03:23] <fschoep> Oh dear, let me get it
[03:23] <PingunZ> Do you have a minute now fschoep ? ( the forum idea --> again )
[03:24] <fschoep> PingunZ: sure, PM me ;)
[03:24] <PingunZ> ok ;)
[03:24] <fschoep> bersace: thanks, good news - I'll e-mail you the plan, OK?
[03:24] <bersace> fschoep: nice
[03:38] <kwwii_> I never get emails from you guys :-(
[03:39] <fschoep> kwwii_: I sent you one the other day
[03:40] <kwwii_> fschoep: must have made it to my span folder :p
[03:40] <kwwii_> ehhh...spam
[03:41] <kwwii_> just kidding though
[03:41] <fschoep> Oh, you did get it, then?
[03:41] <kwwii_> yepp, about the sound, right?
[03:43] <fschoep> Indeed
[04:29] <troy_s> fschoep here in 15 mins
[04:29] <troy_s> okie?
[04:29] <fschoep> I think so
[04:29] <fschoep> troy_s: for now, OK
[04:50] <troy_s> hello exs
[04:50] <exs> hi
[05:02] <Viper550> Hello everyone...
[05:02] <fschoep> Hi Viper550
[05:03] <Viper550> Edgy is coming along nicely I see...
[05:11] <Viper550> kwwii_, you said that you were going to give me the new Kubuntu buttons for Crystal? Why not post them on the Wiki?
[05:13] <kwwii_> Viper550: I thought you didn't want the SVG? guess I misunderstood, I'll put 'em on the wiki as you suggest
[05:14] <Viper550> Yeah...I wanted the source for the actual buttons that could be compiled, not the source of the buttons!
[05:15] <kwwii_> hehe, you can either get it from apt (install kde) or download it from kde-look.org
[05:16] <Viper550> The crystal tarball I compiled (0.42) comes with the Kubuntu Dapper buttons, but not the Edgy ones of course
[05:17] <kwwii_> good point....I have two svgs and an xcf file to put 'em all together
[05:17] <kwwii_> I'll put it all on the wiki
[05:18] <Viper550> I just need a tarball with the new Kubuntu buttons so I can overwrite them in the source code and recompile it
[05:19] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz
[05:19] <Viper550> thanks...
[05:34] <Viper550> AWESOME!
[05:35] <Viper550> Although the tarball you gave me was a tad broken (make gave me errors), I just copied the buttons from your tarball into the folder for my current Crystal and recompiled, and after I restarted KDE, it worked!
[05:38] <kwwii_> it was simply a tar, not a tar.gz
[05:38] <kwwii_> sorry
[05:38] <kwwii_> I forgot to type z
[05:38] <Viper550> whoops...but still! I got it to work properly, and they are nice!
[05:39] <Viper550> Looks interesting with one of the gloss overlays from the wiki, adds an extra gloss to the buttons!
[05:39] <kwwii_> :-)
[05:39] <Viper550> Yep...nice!
[05:40] <Viper550> Speaking of gloss, did you get a chance to check out my panel background?
[05:43] <kwwii_> Viper550: nope, but I'll download it now
[05:45] <Viper550> Thanks, oh and the buttons look nice with Transparency enabled (although the Crystal that comes with Kubuntu has transparency support removed)
[05:46] <kwwii_> I tried that last night, they do look good
[05:46] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:46] <kwwii_> bye
[05:52] <Viper550> I'm back...
[05:53] <kwwii_> dude, killer panel bg
[05:54] <Viper550> Thanks!
[05:57] <PingunZ> Bah, I wish I liked kde so I could use your art :)
[05:57] <Viper550> PingunZ: Can't you use Custom Panel BG's on Gnome as well?
[05:57] <kwwii_> PingunZ: :p
[05:58] <PingunZ> Viper550: Yes, but the panel is only one thing :)
[05:58] <Viper550> ??? - But that's the only art I have posted for it right now
[05:59] <PingunZ> Viper550: I was talking about all the art on the Kubuntu-edgy-Ideas page
[05:59] <PingunZ> Bah, I shut up :p
[05:59] <Viper550> Oh...but some of it (like wallpapers), could be used on Gnome
[06:00] <PingunZ> Yup :)
[06:00] <PingunZ> But I shoot those myself :)
[06:14] <Viper550> Have there been any comments from testers about the new look for Kubuntu yet?
[08:02] <Viper550> Have we had any comments about the look of Kubuntu Knot 2?
[08:03] <kwwii_> yepp, everyone pretty much loves it :-)
[08:03] <kwwii_> very good response so far
[08:04] <kwwii_> the biggest negative response has been about the yellow/orange in the middle of the gradient
[08:04] <kwwii_> people like purple!
[08:05] <Viper550> Yeah (that's what I not like either)
[08:07] <Viper550> Well, if you wonder how my desktop looks right now: http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=7247_purpleandgloss.png
[08:17] <PingunZ> Viper550: As a Gnome-freak :: That screenshot is pretty slick :)
[08:18] <PingunZ> The metacity is really nice !
[08:18] <Viper550> I'm not using Gnome.
[08:19] <PingunZ> Viper550: I'm the gnome-freak
[08:19] <Viper550> KDE.
[08:19] <PingunZ> bah :p
[08:19] <PingunZ> Ok, let me rephrase that .. I like the kwin theme :)
[08:20] <Viper550> Yeah, Crystal, with the buttons from Edgy!
[08:21] <PingunZ> The panel background is really nice too :)
[08:22] <Viper550> That's the one I'm trying to get included with Edgy
[08:22] <PingunZ> I like it :)
[08:23] <PingunZ> Btw, when you resize the panel --> what happens with the image ? is it scalable ?
[08:23] <Viper550> It's tiled horizontally
[08:24] <PingunZ> Can't you make it in .svg so it becomes scalable or is that impossible ? :)
[08:24] <PingunZ> Just an idea ..
[08:24] <Viper550> Can't, scales nice
[08:25] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[08:33] <Seveas> troy_s, there's a very non-trivial chance that my usplash work will be integrated for edgy
[08:33] <Seveas> which rocks
[08:38] <Viper550> Well, I do have a picture of my desktop from when I did use Ubuntu 5.10: http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marchubuntulooks7ne.jpg
[08:40] <Viper550> Does anyone still have the gtkrc from the old orange Ubuntulooks?
[08:47] <troy_s> seveas keep me posted.
[08:47] <Seveas> troy_s, will do
[11:43] <PingunZ> Hey Seveas, any updates yet ?
[11:44] <Seveas> yes, I just finished font unification
[11:44] <Seveas> pushed it to launchpad
[11:44] <Seveas> I'll be sending a .deb for my usplash version and the theme to the artwork list tomorrow
[11:44] <Seveas> so people can comment on it.
[11:46] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[11:46] <PingunZ> Great work man !
[11:51] <PingunZ> Seveas: ping !
[11:52] <Seveas> what?
[11:52] <PingunZ> Well, #ubuntuforums ain't really the right channel for usplash ...
[11:53] <Seveas> hehe
[11:53] <Seveas> well, I'd love it if the rumour spreads
[11:53] <Seveas> btw: I'm also taking over the cipherfunk packages
[11:53] <PingunZ> If you want rumours ? I can bring you rumours :)
[11:53] <Seveas> rumours are good
[11:53] <PingunZ> Oki
[11:53] <Seveas> spread the link of that crappy video
[11:54] <PingunZ> Can I have the link again ?
[11:54] <Seveas> http://ubuntu-nl.org/~dennis/usplash.avi
[11:54] <PingunZ> Ty, I'll try to spread it a lot !
[11:54] <PingunZ> I'm pretty good in that :D
[11:56] <PingunZ> Seveas: The specs are 800*600*256 and customizable throbber etc ?
[11:56] <Seveas> no
[11:56] <Seveas> as high resolution as your screen supports
[11:56] <PingunZ> That's even better :)
[11:56] <Seveas> 256 colors is right
[11:56] <Seveas> customizable drawing (not just throbber)
[11:56] <Seveas> and animation!
[11:57] <Seveas> (and no ppc version yet, i need a ppc machine!)
[11:57] <PingunZ> Oki :)
[11:57] <Seveas> tell that too, maybe someone will donate one ;)
[11:57] <PingunZ> haha
[11:58] <PingunZ> I'm starting a thread about this in ubuntuforums.org, ok ?
[11:59] <PingunZ> Bah, the forums are kinda slow atm ..
[11:59] <PingunZ> I'll do it later
[11:59] <PingunZ> Seveas: What's the launchpad link ?
[12:00] <Seveas> /products/usplash/+branches/
[12:00] <Seveas> select 'theming' there
[12:01] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[12:05] <BHSPitMonkey> hey all.
[12:06] <Seveas> hi BHSPitMonkey
[12:06] <BHSPitMonkey> what's up?