[12:47] <RedRose> Hello?
[12:47] <RedRose> I'm just wondering how to compile it after i've used make menuconfig
[12:48] <sn9> normally, you don't do any of that under ubuntu
[12:50] <RedRose> menuconfig?
[12:50] <RedRose> Well I want to enable toshiba support, for some reason the kernel that came with it is not properly supported, so i lose a lot of laptop functionality
[12:51] <sn9> toshiba support is supposed to be included in stock kernels
[12:52] <RedRose> I know, but when I do dmesg | grep -i toshiba i get a message saying it's not
[12:52] <RedRose> i try modprobeing it, it says it failed
[12:52] <sn9> what is the module name?
[12:53] <RedRose> toshiba and toshiba_acpi
[12:53] <RedRose> [17186620.976000]  toshiba: not a supported Toshiba laptop
[12:54] <sn9> then recompiling the same version won't help you
[12:55] <RedRose> I'm compiling 2.6.17
[12:55] <RedRose> in 2.6.15 the toshiba support is modular and experimental
[12:56] <RedRose> in .17, it's not
[12:57] <sn9> other changes in .17 over .15 will break random stuff all over the system. you realize that, right?
[12:57] <RedRose> How so?
[12:58] <RedRose> cause right now i'm out of options, i've pretty much tried everything
[12:58] <RedRose> I can't mod screen brightness, zapping an hour off my battery
[12:59] <sn9> edgy eft will have that kernel
[12:59] <RedRose> ?
[12:59] <sn9> but that does not automatically mean it will work for your model
[01:00] <RedRose> I know, which again is why I am trying to recompile. Is their anything else you can recommend?
[01:01] <sn9> do you know for a fact that support for your specific model was added?
[01:02] <RedRose> Not Specifically the A105-S4011, but the A105 yes.
[01:02] <RedRose> [17179586.344000]  synaptics: Toshiba Satellite A105 detected, limiting rate to 40pps.
[01:02] <RedRose> [17186620.976000]  toshiba: not a supported Toshiba laptop
[01:03] <sn9> you could try to backport the changes to .15
[01:04] <sn9> probably the most trouble-free option for you
[01:05] <RedRose> And how would I do that?
[01:06] <sn9> first thing to try would be to copy the affected source files from your .17 tree to your .15 tree
[01:06] <RedRose> so find toshiba.ko in the .17 tree and place it in the .15 tree?
[01:07] <sn9> no, the SOURCE
[01:08] <RedRose> So recompile the .15 kernel, but put the toshiba modules in from .17?
[01:08] <sn9> yes
[01:08] <sn9> in source form
[01:09] <RedRose> tried that before, it's broke on me
[01:09] <sn9> then the .17 modules will be build against .15
[01:09] <RedRose> again, it broke
[01:11] <RedRose> so idk what to do
[01:13] <RedRose> When I Run  make-kpkg --initrd  kernel_image kernel_headers
[01:13] <RedRose> I get dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-headers-2.6.17.11-ubuntu1 not in control info as an error, why?
[01:15] <sn9> you don't make a kernel out of the headers
[01:15] <sn9> you make modules
[01:16] <RedRose> so ditch kernel_headers and add kernel_modules?
[01:17] <sn9> no
[01:17] <RedRose> sorry... just add modules, ditch kernel_headers
[01:17] <RedRose> sn9, I know i'm difficult, but that's you for all your help
[01:17] <sn9> kernel headers are for building modules outside the kernel tree
[01:18] <sn9> yours are in the kernel tree, so you need the kernel source
[01:18] <RedRose> ok.
[01:18] <RedRose> i'm now running make-kpkg --initrd  kernel_image modules
[01:19] <sn9> you cannot run that in a plain ol' headers tree
[01:19] <RedRose> ?
[01:20] <sn9> kernel_image needs actual source
[01:20] <RedRose> I hate to be a script-kiddie like this, but what's the command i can enter to build it?
[01:20] <RedRose> it has it
[01:20] <RedRose> i'm in the source tree
[01:21] <RedRose> it "git" the source tree, ran make menuconfig and I'm wondering how to compile
[01:21] <sn9> ok, not linux-headers anymore? (kernel-headers is old debian, not ubuntu)
[01:21] <RedRose> ok
[01:21] <RedRose> so what now?
[01:22] <sn9> if you "git" the source tree, you will need to replace your kernel and ALL its modules
[01:22] <sn9> and security updates will not apply
[01:22] <RedRose> damnit
[01:23] <RedRose> Then Do You Recommend Anything Else?
[01:24] <RedRose> but why would that be? i mean i pulled it from the ubuntu source and all...
[01:25] <sn9> pulling from ubuntu source means using apt, not git
[01:25] <sn9> git is for the branch of the ubuntu kernel where development takes place
[01:26] <RedRose> But when i pull from the apt repos it gives my 2.6.15-7, which is way behind the current
[01:26] <RedRose> apt-get install linux-source, correct?
[01:27] <sn9> that is because you are on dapper, not edgy
[01:28] <sn9> dapper and edgy have separate kernel trees both in apt and in git
[01:28] <RedRose> no, I'm in Dapper and the current one i'm running is 2.6.17.26, but when I get from apt source it gives me 2.6.17.7
[01:30] <RedRose> Ok, i've got it... I'm going to recompile 2.6.15.26, what command will compile it after make menuconfig
[01:33] <sn9> you don't need to make menuconfig at all if you get the kernel tree with apt-get source
[01:33] <RedRose> why not? I want to change around some of the kernel options.
[01:35] <RedRose> and I did apt-get install linux-source-2.16 and it gave me the 26 version, so i have to source
[01:37] <RedRose> So how do i compile?
[01:38] <sn9> most kernel options would not need to be changed. you would compile using make-kpkg
[01:38] <RedRose> just type that in?
[01:38] <RedRose> make-kpkg? nothing else? 
[01:38] <RedRose> no --initrd? 
[01:39] <sn9> yes, initrd and whatever else
[01:39] <RedRose> lol... 
[01:39] <sn9> kernel_image, modules, and whatnot
[01:39] <RedRose> running... thanks for all the help, i'm onthe run too, but i will be back :P
[08:12] <RedRose> Ok, How do I build the kernel? I've done make menuconfig, what's after that?
[08:14] <nigel_c> make
[08:14] <RedRose> what about to put it in deb format?
[08:15] <nigel_c> Oooh. You've got me there.
[08:15] <RedRose> lol
[08:16] <nigel_c> I think I should get you to do the same and read the instructions :)
[08:16] <RedRose> I guess I'm just caught up, because i want to do the make menuconfig, but i'm told everywhere to just edit files, which is a lot more time cosumand and cumbersome. 
[08:16] <nigel_c> make-kpkg is the short answer, but you might want more :>
[08:17] <RedRose> I tried that, got a kernel-header error
[08:18] <nigel_c> Sorry. I'm used to just doing make && make modules_install && cp arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage /boot/<whatever>
[08:18] <RedRose> on ubuntu?
[08:18] <nigel_c> On and distro you can do that.
[08:18] <RedRose> on?
[08:18] <nigel_c> s/and/any
[08:18] <nigel_c> If you're using lilo, you need to rerun lilo afterwards, but apart from that...
[08:19] <RedRose> GRUB
[08:19] <nigel_c> ack
[08:19] <RedRose> yeah
[08:19] <RedRose> and i know the deb just does one nice package
[08:19] <nigel_c> :) Sorry. I'm just an ignoramus there. Can't know everything, you know!
[07:01] <RedRose> Can anyone help me with building the kernel? I just need to know to to build from after make menuconfig for ubuntu.
[08:01] <mrpister> Does anyone have any tips debugging hard locks/freezes?
[08:02] <mrpister> There is no info in the logs.