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[12:20] <{malice}> ? I have a Dell Latitude C540 and I need to upgrade the bios but I do not have floppy does anyone know how I can run the exe file in ubuntu? I installed wine and it does not work
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[07:57] <defendguin> ok im testing out knot 2 on my laptop how do i enable xgl?
[07:57] <defendguin> and why one earth is NetworkManager not installed by default
[07:58] <Burgundavia> defendguin: what kind of video card do you have?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> and NM is not installed by default because it breaks every other networking tool on the system, including dhclient, ifupdown and the network-admin tool from gnome-system-tools
[07:59] <defendguin> the default gnome tools dont have a sane interface for connecting to wireless networks
[08:00] <Burgundavia> no, they don't
[08:01] <defendguin> I have an intel video card
[08:01] <Burgundavia> then XGL will not work for you
[08:01] <defendguin> oh 
[08:01] <Burgundavia> you need AIGLX
[08:01] <defendguin> why is that?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> which is already installed by default
[08:01] <Burgundavia> but what you really want is compiz, which actually does the nifty stuff (compiz is a window manager)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> compiz works on either
[08:02] <Burgundavia> it appears the help wiki is down, but try the forums
[08:04] <defendguin> why doesn't xgl work with my card?  i figured since my card has open drives all of these things should be able to work for me
[08:05] <defendguin> i thought they might have some gui already set up to enable the eye candy
[08:06] <Burgundavia> xgl doesn't work with the open source drivers and AIGLX doesn't work with closed sourced ones
[08:06] <Burgundavia> and there is something, but you need to grab it yourself
[08:06] <Burgundavia> see gnomefiles
[08:08] <defendguin> i love the new firefox with the google suggestions
[08:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, not an FF users
[08:09] <defendguin> why not?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I find FF's lack of integration into the GNOME desktop to be very annoying
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I very much like epiphany
[08:10] <defendguin> ahh 
[08:11] <defendguin> but your missing out on the fire fox google sync extension
[08:11] <Burgundavia> sounds lovely
[08:12] <Burgundavia> rather not have google have more than they already have
[08:13] <defendguin> i guess i'm a trusting individual
[08:15] <defendguin> something is wrong with the gnome compiz manager download site :(
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[08:24] <defendguin> hmmm   wireless in nm-applet isnt working properly
[08:27] <defendguin> it doesn't even give me a wireless option even though I can see that the light on my wireless card is blinking and the correct module is loaded
[08:29] <Burgundavia> welcome to why nm is not installed by default
[08:29] <defendguin> heh
[08:29] <defendguin> it works on dapper
[08:30] <crimsun> for values of "works"
[08:31] <defendguin> so far most things seem to work besides that 
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[08:50] <Fujitsu> defendguin, did you attempt to configure your wireless interface using network-admin first?
[08:51] <defendguin> yes
[08:51] <defendguin> yesterday before i even had nm installed
[08:56] <defendguin> Fujitsu: wireless network is not even an option 
[08:56] <Fujitsu> defendguin, yep.
[08:56] <Fujitsu> defendguin, open up /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the section about your wireless card.
[08:59] <defendguin> auto eth2
[08:59] <defendguin> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[08:59] <defendguin> this?
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:01] <Fujitsu> If you remove that, NetworkManager should pick up the wireless, although it may like to be restarted.
[09:02] <defendguin> yup that did it
[09:02] <Fujitsu> NetworkManager won't play with interfaces that have manual configuration, for obvious reasons.
[09:04] <Burgundavia> yes, part of why NM is not installed by default
[09:05] <Burgundavia> NM is the way forward, it just needs more integration work
[09:05] <defendguin> ahh but if it was installed by default it would have worked properly
[09:05] <defendguin> since i wouldn't have tried to config it manually
[09:06] <Burgundavia> yes, until you tried to set a static IP
[09:06] <Burgundavia> and watched NM fail
[09:06] <defendguin> eh
[09:06] <Burgundavia> have both of you voted; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/survey.html
[09:06] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:08] <defendguin> i really don't play the games much 
[09:11] <defendguin> to play dvds with totem i just need the extra bad and ugly gstreamer plugins from multiverse?
[09:12] <Linuturk> speaking of network manager
[09:12] <Linuturk> I can't connect to a wireless network with a wep key
[09:12] <Linuturk> open networks work fine
[09:12] <Linuturk> but any with a wep key fail
[09:12] <Linuturk> specifically, 64-bit hex key
[09:14] <defendguin> Linuturk: ill try that now
[09:14] <Burgundavia> Linuturk: the place to fix that is upstream
[09:14] <Linuturk> upstream?
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[09:16] <defendguin_> Linuturk: that seemed to work fine 
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the NM devs themselves
[09:16] <Linuturk> i'm thinking it's a problem with the drivers dapper installed by default
[09:17] <Burgundavia> packages "flow downstream"
[09:17] <Fujitsu> What driver, Linuturk?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> developers --> pakcagers
[09:17] <Linuturk> for the intel 2200BG
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Or Developers -> Debian -> Ubuntu.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Works fine for me.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> I'm using a WEP passphrase, actually...
[09:18] <Fujitsu> (also an ipw2200)
[09:18] <Linuturk> is it lsmod to list what modules are loaded/
[09:18] <Linuturk> ?
[09:18] <Linuturk> also, there is an entry on ndiswrapper's site for it
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: for some stuff. nm used to be developers --> ubuntu but is now developers --> debian --> ubuntu
[09:19] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:19] <Linuturk> i thought NM came from novell?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> RH, actually
[09:21] <Burgundavia> but there is an Novell and an RH dev working on it
[09:22] <Burgundavia> netapplet was RH
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Novell, rather
[09:22] <Linuturk> anyway, I don't think it's a nm problem
[09:22] <Linuturk> how can I check the drivers loaded/
[09:22] <Linuturk> ?
[09:31] <defendguin_> crimsun   i think sound works much better in edgy than dapper for this laptop
[09:32] <defendguin_> in dapper when i put in a dvd the sound was so much lower than normal system sounds  now it seems to work properly
[09:39] <defendguin_> uggg let me retract that statement
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[07:21] <defendguin> compiz works better than i though
[07:21] <defendguin> thought*
[07:30] <Linuturk> I've really noticed a slowdown in my system
[07:30] <Linuturk> what could be causing this?
[07:30] <Linuturk> is there anything I should be cleaning up?
[07:31] <Linuturk> anything to defrag?
[07:31] <Linuturk> my system monitor use to never show page file usage or a load amount
[07:33] <Linuturk> by the way, knot 2 is out, so shouldn't the topic reflect that?
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