[02:51] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: hi, again
[02:52] <Madpilot> hi livingdaylight
[02:52] <Madpilot> the pamphlet is done, basically. Did I show it to you?
[02:52] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: thought i'd pester you, yet again  :)
[02:52] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: no, still waiting for that emai
[02:52] <livingdaylight> *email
[02:52] <Madpilot> never did send you an email - sorry
[02:53] <livingdaylight> d'love to see it  :D
[02:53] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Pamphlet.svg <-- download that, load it up in Inkscape to have a look. Firefox doesn't render it properly.
[02:54] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: how do i bring that into inkspace?
[02:54] <livingdaylight> its a weburl
[02:55] <Madpilot> download the SVG file
[02:55] <livingdaylight> from where?
[02:56] <livingdaylight> sorry, i've got it in my browser and now?
[02:56] <livingdaylight> i can see it in the browser anyway, just wondering how you export that to inkscaper out of curiosity
[02:56] <Madpilot> right-click on it, choose Save File As or whatever FF calls it, save to your computer, then open the SVG file in Inkscape
[02:58] <Madpilot> it doesn't get rendered properly in Firefox, it only looks correct in Inkscape, BTW
[02:58] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: of course, sorry its 2am here and about to fall over
[02:59] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: yea! thats basically it
[03:00] <livingdaylight> did you add or delete any text i gave you?
[03:00] <Madpilot> not really, currently it's pretty much exactly your text, or the modified Kubuntu text
[03:00] <livingdaylight> seems all the paragraphs are there, but i haven't checked
[03:00] <livingdaylight> cool, yea looks sweet
[03:00] <Madpilot> one or two people have said they'll have an editing run thru it, but I haven't heard from them yet
[03:01] <livingdaylight> oh
[03:01] <livingdaylight> should've told me
[03:01] <livingdaylight> so, when you say 'basically' its done. except for the editing? or what 's left?
[03:02] <Madpilot> it's usable as-is, but some of the text could do with a bit of polishing, I think. It might change slightly in the near future, but not dramatically
[03:03] <livingdaylight> including games of course...did you add that line? i don't remember it
[03:04] <livingdaylight> Evolution also can? or evolution can also connect ....
[03:04] <livingdaylight> ?
[03:05] <Madpilot> the games line is from the Kubuntu sheet
[03:05] <Madpilot> and it should be "can also", I think - good catch
[03:06] <livingdaylight> other than that i'm happy that the editing is good
[03:13] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: hi, yet again. had to reboot. My old keyboard cuts out sometimes.
[03:13] <Madpilot> bleh... aren't computers fun?
[03:14] <livingdaylight>  :p
[03:14] <livingdaylight> so, but the text is fine. I see you altered the office.org bit a bit - i think adding the pdf bit, but thats good
[03:15] <livingdaylight> do you make it OOo2? without a dot anywhere?
[03:16] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: when you adjust the 'can also' bit to the leaflet can you email me a copy, please? or i could just get it off you here sometime if its easier
[03:17] <Madpilot> I will - I'm about to go out for a couple of hours, but I can do the edits when I get back
[03:18] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: ok, lastly, wondered if you could do a customized version for me, adding the contact details at thebottom that i gave you :D
[03:19] <Madpilot> the details were in the email you sent, right?
[03:19] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: yes
[03:19] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: i should really learn to figure out how to add a little text box and insert it myself but...
[03:20] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: Hey, good job, thank you
[03:20] <Madpilot> will do, I actually have a version with an extra blank box at the bottom for local info, so your info will be easy to add
[03:20] <livingdaylight> You gonna submit it to Ubuntu for future releases?
[03:20] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: nice
[03:20] <Madpilot> yes, I'm going to fire an email off to the marketing team mailing list tonight, probably
[03:21] <livingdaylight> they'll be chuffed
[03:21] <Madpilot> people here have already seen it, at various stages of completion
[03:21] <livingdaylight> here?
[03:22] <livingdaylight> do you work at Ubuntu offices or something?
[03:22] <Madpilot> no, 'here' as in this channel
[03:22] <livingdaylight> Next the XFCE lot will want their version, lol  :p
[03:23] <livingdaylight> oh, ok, i c
[03:23] <Madpilot> a Xubuntu version wouldn't be hard; tweak the colours, get someone to re-write the text; done.
[03:23] <livingdaylight> well, i did the inspiration and you did the perspiration
[03:23] <Madpilot> well, thanks for the idea - I know it'll be useful to the community!
[03:24] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: yea, there are so many *buntu versions now
[03:24] <Madpilot> only three, plus Edubuntu, which doesn't quite count - it's not aimed at the same people as K/X/Ubunt
[03:25] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: sure, i mean when i saw the kubuntu one i thought 'great' couldn't believe there wasn't anubuntu version seeing that is the premier or official look
[03:25] <Madpilot> some Kubuntu user got inspired :)
[03:25] <livingdaylight> yea, you gotta watch those guys
[03:26] <Madpilot> heh
[03:26] <livingdaylight> I had done my own one long ago but somone nicked it from teh library and didn't have it on disc and didn't really wanna re write my own thing all over again
[03:27] <Madpilot> anyway, must go; back in an hour or so, probably.
[03:27] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: yea, getting all inspired you know, making kubuntu look better than ubuntu, gotta watch 'em  '<
[03:27] <livingdaylight> alritey
[03:27] <Madpilot> later
[05:42] <adamant1988> nixternal:
[05:43] <adamant1988> you get the OOo thing fixed/
[07:52] <Burgundavia> nixternal: UWN
[07:53] <nixternal> oh weee
[07:53] <nixternal> let me guess..nobody started on it either
[07:53] <Burgundavia> that would be correct
[07:53] <Burgundavia> and I spent today riding herd on a hyperactive 12 year old
[07:53] <nixternal> all it needs to say..is Knot 2 released, point them to the pretties, and there was a few meetings...a couple of bugs...otherwise a pretty uneventfull week ;)
[07:54] <nixternal> haha
[07:54] <nixternal> hey marketing team, you say you wanna help, there is a UWN with your name all over it ;)
[07:54] <nixternal> ya adamant1988 i got the OOo thing fixed
[07:54] <nixternal> it seems my libs got hosed by a partian install bug
[07:54] <nixternal> partial too
[08:15] <Burgundavia> nixternal: no UWN anyway, server is down
[08:15] <Burgundavia> is that the third or the fourth weekend in a row the servers have died on Saturday night?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> back in a flash, testing upstart
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl
[08:19] <Burgundavia> back
[08:21] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb. how did it go?
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Madpilot
[08:21] <Madpilot> hi all
[08:21] <Madpilot> just tried out Knot2 LiveCD... aside from f-spot not starting, seemed much like Dapper
[08:25] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:25] <Burgundavia> changes are very incremental
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, :\
[08:27] <Madpilot> oh, and new wallpaper ;)
[08:28] <Madpilot> and having to use bl**dy Gaim for IRC...
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> in dapper too though wasnt it?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, Knot2 made it to the front page fo slashdot
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow.
[08:29] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, gaim as the only default IRC client? Yes, despite long protests in bug reports...
[08:29] <Burgundavia> irc is simply not used by enough of the users
[08:29] <Burgundavia> IM is
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> logs better, but useability is crap
[08:30] <Flannel> Burgundavia: IRC is used by a good deal of users seeking help though.
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Flannel: not really. Vastly more use the forums
[08:31] <Burgundavia> telepathy will help solve this
[08:31] <Flannel> Burgundavia: I imagine if anyone kept logs, the amount of users in IRC has signifigantly decreased since Dapper though, because it's not readily available (GIAM technically is, but most don't know about using it for IRC)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> hmm, 760 users in #ubuntu
[08:32] <Burgundavia> that is higher than it ever was during the dapper cycle
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I would argue that you are incorrect
[08:32] <Flannel> point measurements are different though.  Theres a constant flow of people in and out.
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> it hit 1000 when daper came out
[08:32] <Burgundavia> that was a specific one off
[08:32] <Madpilot> 700-800 is a pretty typical number for #ubuntu
[08:34] <Flannel> Unfortunately the forums don't display how many members are "currently" browsing.
[08:34] <Burgundavia> yes they do
[08:34] <Burgundavia> oh, they used to] 
[08:35] <Burgundavia> hmm, they used to list current active guests and members
[08:35] <Madpilot> haven't since they re-skinned the forums
[08:36] <Burgundavia> no, they have
[08:36] <Burgundavia> this is very recent, wonder if it is related to the performance issues
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I have pinged ubuntu demon
[08:37] <Burgundavia> the numbers used to be about 1000 guests
[08:46] <Burgundavia> ok, back to the UWN
[08:47] <Burgundavia> anybody want to help gobby this thing together?
[08:49] <Madpilot> not tonight, sorry. I'm about to crash.
[08:49] <Madpilot> Has the Ubuntu wiki's Sunday crash started?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:50] <Madpilot> that server seems to take every Sunday off... ;)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> bloody thing
[08:57] <Madpilot> need sleep - night all
[10:21] <Burgundavia> UWN is being edited as we speak. Gobby on port 6522 on 24.69.71.211
[10:42] <Burgundavia> jenda: join us is editing the UWN --> Gobby on port 6522 on 24.69.71.211
[10:43] <jenda> thanks, will do. only have 15 minutes though :(
[10:44] <Burgundavia> going to be myself in a bit, but gobby will be left running
[10:46] <jenda> I'm in, looking around, at what to do.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> right now trying to find out the status of each of the SoC projects
[10:48] <jenda> ok
[10:48] <Burgundavia> see the link I just added
[10:48] <Burgundavia> if you want to start at the bottom of the list
[10:48] <Burgundavia> start looking for a website or a blog
[10:49] <jenda> ok, will try. (lack of experience makes it difficult :) )
[10:50] <Burgundavia> just start googling
[10:50] <jenda> How do you know which of those projects have been released? Or are all of those?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> I look for a blog listing a screenshot, or an addy to an svn account
[10:51] <jenda> aha
[11:00] <jenda> Burgundavia: would a launchpad spec with all the 'status' info be enough?
[11:01] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:01] <Burgundavia> any and all urls are probably good
[11:01] <Burgundavia> we can boil them down to one
[11:01] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep, but feel free to edit as much as you want
[11:01] <Burgundavia> machine will be up
[11:02] <jenda> ok, thx
[11:02] <jenda> will do
[11:07] <jenda> gotta go, bbl
[11:09] <Burgundavia> hmm, idea: Rather than having it edited on the wiki, why don't I host a persistant gobby session on my server that people can login and edit as they need?
[11:20] <mdke> the wiki is a more natural place, in terms of people suggesting items for inclusion.
[11:49] <Klaidas> \o\
[12:00] <elkbuntu> mdke, wiki's sunday death makes using the wiki hard
[02:32] <elkbuntu> MitchM_, ping
[02:33] <jenda> Burgundavia: +1
[02:39] <jenda> Hello Cogito_ergo_sum
[02:39] <jenda> Is Fujitsu around?
[02:42] <Cogito_ergo_sum> and tell me, in this channel abaut talk?
[02:47] <jenda> Cogito_ergo_sum: This channel is about marketing Ubuntu.
[02:47] <jenda> brb
[02:49] <Cogito_ergo_sum> jejejejej I know, I refered to, comercilitation? or production cd?
[02:49] <Cogito_ergo_sum> you know, my team in venezuela, wan to be a distributor of UBUNTU, how we cant do that?
[02:50] <ormiret> you can get cds from shipit.ubuntu.com
[02:52] <Cogito_ergo_sum> yes I know, but, we want to be a shipit for latin america...
[02:52] <jenda> Marketing doesn't mean commercialisation - it mean trying to spread the word, basically.
[02:53] <Cogito_ergo_sum> haaa ok
[02:53] <ormiret> Cogito_ergo_sum: you mean making your own disks?
[02:53] <jenda> Well, in that case, you might want to order a large amount, explaining that you want to pass them on...
[02:53] <jenda> or make your own, of course (didn't think of taht :-D)
[02:54] <ormiret> I think there was a team in India made a run of their own disks
[02:54] <Cogito_ergo_sum> it's no the same, make my own cd's, the presentation is very basical
[02:55] <jenda> brb again
[02:56] <ormiret> Cogito_ergo_sum: so you want a lrge number of CDs from shipit to redistribute?
[02:57] <Cogito_ergo_sum> it's rigth... because here in Venezuela is very problematic recive the cd's...
[03:01] <ormiret> I think the best plan would be to mail info@shipit.ubuntu.com and explain that
[03:06] <Cogito_ergo_sum> solo por preguntar... aqui nadie habla espaol?
[03:07] <jenda> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:07] <jenda> ;)
[03:07] <jenda> Copy + paste
[03:08] <Cogito_ergo_sum> jejejjejejejjeje
[03:08] <Cogito_ergo_sum> yes, but that no are channel of marketing ;)
[03:08] <jenda> that's probably true.
[03:09] <elkbuntu> this marketing channel is still new as it is, we certainly dont have enough people to split it into different languages
[03:31] <jenda> well, it would be contradictory of its purpose, I thing. I always imagined the MT saving a lot of man-hours by doing centrally what would otherwise have to be done by each LoCo team seperately.
[03:31] <jenda> *I thikn.
[03:32] <ormiret> :)
[04:42] <adamant1988> jenda
[04:42] <adamant1988> hwo goes life?
[04:42] <jenda> busy, very :(
[04:42] <Burgundavia> mdke: the issue is: 1) the wiki keeps dying at a really bad time 2) when we edit it, we tend to edit it all at once
[04:42] <jenda> working on the UWN a bit right now, adamant1988..
[04:43] <jenda> ... with no luck looking for the necessary info.
[04:43] <adamant1988> ok
[04:44] <jenda> adamant1988: I'm not sure when I'll be able to read your thing. It will take me long to read several pages.
[04:54] <jenda> Burgundavia: who is 'Plug'?
[06:26] <Burgundavia> jenda: ni idea
[06:27] <jenda> ok
[06:28] <jenda> mdke: ping
[06:29] <jenda> The Doc team's server keeps deleting my data :(
[06:29] <Klaidas> ;] 
[06:29] <Klaidas> err
[06:41] <ompaul> what you say and what you mean are two different things?
[06:41] <Klaidas> sometimes
[06:52] <jenda> I'll probably not have time to continue on this UWN
[07:23] <MitchM> ping elkbuntu
[07:29] <MitchM> elkbuntu: having some DNS problems? -- It would appear as though your nameservers are reporting 4 seperate server IP's for your website. Non which point to devubuntu's hosting.
[08:04] <poningru> yarr
[08:11] <adamant1988> nixternal: read the paper yet?
[08:15] <poningru> hehe
[10:18] <mdke> jenda: pong
[10:18] <mdke> Burgundavia: 1) is clearly not intentional. As for 2), that's right, but the advantage of the wiki being a clear centre for the community throughout the week outweighs that, I think
[10:20] <Burgundavia> mdke: yep. But for several weeks now we have had writing sprints on Saturday night and we have to patiently wait for each person to release the lock
[10:21] <mdke> Burgundavia: perhaps you could use gobby just for the sprint part of it
[10:21] <mdke> or get some kind of gobby integration with MoinMoin
[10:21] <Burgundavia> right
[10:21] <Burgundavia> I will bug mhz about it
[10:22] <mdke> or a MoinMoin developer :)
[11:05] <johnlittle> burgundavia cleaned up the in the news section and added a story...trying to make my 5 minutes of wiki uptime productive ;)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: I will copy over to the gobby session
[11:05] <Burgundavia> UWN is being edited there right now
[11:05] <johnlittle> ahh ok wtf is a gobby session :)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> gobby is a colaborative text editor
[11:09] <Burgundavia> install it and connect to port 6522 on 24.69.71.211
[11:17] <jenda> mdke: still around?
[11:25] <poningru> a what?
[11:25] <poningru> hmm
[11:29] <jenda> multiplayer gedit
[11:29] <jenda> realtime wiki ;)
[11:30] <Burgundavia> poningru: come join us
[11:30] <poningru> ooh mdns support
[11:34] <mdke> jenda: briefly
[11:34] <jenda> mdke: the doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/ deletes files I put in after a while
[11:35] <jenda> (less than 24 h)
[11:35] <jenda> could it be the fault of the cronjob in /home/marketing/ ?
[11:35] <mdke> jenda: if you remember, it deletes it every day so that it can then pull the repository freshly
[11:35] <jenda> aha
[11:35] <jenda> it pulls directly from bazaar?
[11:36] <mdke> it runs this:
[11:36] <mdke> cd public_html && rm -rf spreadubuntu && bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[11:36] <jenda> ok, thx a bunch
[11:36] <jenda> will check that then.
[11:37] <mdke> if you commit to the repository, it will get there
[11:37] <jenda> ok.
[11:37] <mdke> good night
[11:38] <jenda> right
[11:38] <jenda> *night
[11:41] <poningru> how do I upload the changes?
[11:42] <poningru> couple of spelling fixes
[11:42] <Burgundavia> need to manually correct thme
[11:42] <Burgundavia> nice if it took diffs, but it doesn't
[11:43] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, wrong window, wrong conversation
[11:43] <Burgundavia> :(
[11:49] <jenda> poningru: they get uploaded automatically in gobby.