| Amaranth | LaserJock: working on an alacarte release | 12:19 |
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| LaserJock | Amaranth: ah | 12:19 |
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| BoneHead | what would cause a ide_intr: huh? expected NULL when trying to boot to the livecd? | 12:22 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | hey bddebian, LaserJock | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | hi Corey | 03:50 |
| bddebian | Hi Burgundavia | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000052.html | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Burgundavia: Nice | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | another week done | 03:54 |
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| Amaranth | whatever happened to safety boat? | 04:25 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:45 |
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| DrkLrd | RichEd, ping | 05:40 |
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| highvoltage | cbx33: wb | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | heh | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | I'm off again now | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | bbs | 08:29 |
| RichEd | hi hi | 08:38 |
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| Burgundavia | hey highvoltage | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: having fun with pessulus? | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | hey Burgundavia | 09:50 |
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| cbx33 | Burgundavia: yeh | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | evenmore fun now | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | I've noticed a problem | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | but I've made an ugly hack | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | when editing keys, for a different user, it saves them as root | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | with permission 700 | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | grrrr | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | right, that is fun | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | so I added a subprocess to chown themall back to the user after its finished | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | that's the ugly hack | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | but at the moment I can't see a way round it | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | well, pessulus should be able to edit any users keys | 10:05 |
| RichEd | hi cbx33 hello Burgundavia | 10:06 |
| RichEd | cbx33: what time did we agree today ? | 10:06 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: well | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | I'm free whenever you are | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | like from now | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | it's first day back at aschool | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | so pretty hectic | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | but they are all in a meeting now | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | so it's prety quiet | 10:07 |
| RichEd | I need to dig though mail ... some from the boss man need attention ... | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | just gimme a shout dude ! | 10:07 |
| RichEd | I'm tryng to set up a meeting with Jonon Bacon ... | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | Burgundavia: well, it needs to for pessulus ! | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | sorry | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | for SCP | 10:08 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: excellent | 10:08 |
| RichEd | cbx33: jono & I will probably do 1:00 pm your time ... | 10:09 |
| RichEd | so can we aim for 2:00 pm your time for you & me ? | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | um.... | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | 2pm... | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | should be good | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | my time | 10:09 |
| cbx33 | 5 hours away? | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | Burgundavia: SCP has the ability to lockdown a specific user, and so I need the ability to edit their keys | 10:10 |
| RichEd | yep | 10:10 |
| RichEd | I'll try to mail charles masters as well before that. | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | I'm patching pessulus in association with vuntz | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: cool | 10:10 |
| cbx33 | but it's proving to give me the same problem as just running it as another user which is what I did ogirnally through sux ! | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | but sux doesn't work on LTSP | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | I hope vuntz/ogra/pitti will approve the chowning plan | 10:11 |
| cbx33 | as it's the only way I can see to get it to work | 10:11 |
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| Burgundavia | cbx33: you need a better hackergotchi | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | hey ogra | 10:40 |
| ogra | hi | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | hi ogra | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | Burgundavia: you don;t like it ? :( | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | it is not in the | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | "Planet style" | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | bloody keyboard, with the bloody shift too near the bloody enter | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | sorry Burgundavia | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | I'll get it fixed | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | Ubuntu-Demon has a weird one too | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: don't apologize | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | I would love for him to change it | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | i don;t like my whole face though :p | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | ogra: had an interesting development on the whole pessulus front | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | if you have a secI'd love to bring you up to speed | 10:42 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra, vuntz has given me the go ahead to repackage and apply the patch to pessulus | 11:58 |
| cbx33 | once I have it complete, seeing as he'll be really busy with gnome for the wednesday release | 11:58 |
| ogra | cool, prepare a package and i'll upload it | 11:58 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I've had to do a bit of an ugly hack | 11:59 |
| ogra | if vubtz is fien with it thats ok for me | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | pessulus is great but still ended up with the same problem as before, the gconf files it created were owned by root | 12:00 |
| ogra | *vuntz | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | and chmodded to 700 | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | so the normal user couldn't read them | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | to pessulus, upon completing the gconfwrite chowns it | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | as it's root it's able to | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | vuntz said it's not ideal but it's an acceptable solution | 12:01 |
| ogra | ok | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | i know sabayon does some file copying | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | probably for the same reason | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | so SCP, should be ready to go tonight from my end | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | the only thing we're lacking is VNC at the mo | 12:01 |
| ogra | i'll try to find some time by the end of the week for that ... but no promises | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | I'll do my best to sort somthing out | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | cbx33: sabayon creates a zip that is then pulled down by the user | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | but I'm pretty pushed for time at the mo | 12:02 |
| ogra | same here ... | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | Burgundavia: yeh, thought it must do something | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I know | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | I understand | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | has the spec actually been approved yet? | 12:10 |
| ogra | mdz is still on vacation ... | 12:10 |
| cbx33 | :S | 12:12 |
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| highvoltage | *vacation | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | well, mdz does sing better than most robots | 12:13 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: ping? | 01:35 |
| RichEd | hi jsgotangco in a meeting with jono ... open dialogue and write your message ... i'll flip over when space permits | 01:36 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 01:36 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: just want to tell you I started today but nothing much exciting happened but will do so in the coming days | 01:37 |
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| RichEd | cbx33 : jello jello ? ping ping ? | 02:08 |
| cbx33 | pingpong | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | hi RichEd | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | sorry | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | jello jello pong pong | 02:10 |
| RichEd | no problem ... how are you looking ... busy busy or 30 mins to chat & think ? | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | yeh I'm cool to chat | 02:12 |
| RichEd | okay ... give me 5 ... then look out for a window | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | I can see 2 windows already | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | more than I had in my old office | 02:12 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 02:13 |
| RichEd | But good news ... had a great chat right now with Jono Bacon ... | 02:13 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 02:13 |
| RichEd | He does not need to have his arm twisted to help with Education ... | 02:13 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:13 |
| RichEd | The man has been thinking and plotting as part of his personal passion ... and is looking for an outlet for that energy. | 02:14 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 02:14 |
| RichEd | And brings some good education contacts ... for the past 3 years, the client base that he's been consulting and advising to has included schools and education departments | 02:15 |
| RichEd | so it is real world and not speculative. | 02:15 |
| === RichEd is very excited | ||
| cbx33 | that is excellent | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | culd tie into what we talked about before | 02:16 |
| RichEd | correction, that is most excellent | 02:16 |
| RichEd | everything is connected | 02:17 |
| cbx33 | how does fabulous grab you? | 02:17 |
| RichEd | The Grand Unified Theory of Everything is certainly not based on proprietary software. | 02:17 |
| RichEd | :) | 02:17 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 02:18 |
| RichEd | 1 phone call and then I am ready cbx33 | 02:18 |
| cbx33 | nice | 02:18 |
| cbx33 | I'm just munching so I'm ready whenever | 02:18 |
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| cbx33 | hey rodarvus | 02:19 |
| rodarvus | hi cbx331 | 02:19 |
| rodarvus | ! | 02:19 |
| rodarvus | :) | 02:19 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus: I think I pretty much solved the SCP Pessulus problem | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | we're good to go | 02:20 |
| rodarvus | nice! | 02:20 |
| cbx33 | just VNC to do and we're finished | 02:20 |
| rodarvus | what did you had to do? | 02:20 |
| RichEd | hi rodarvus : got time to read an email over a coffee ? mobile eductation ? | 02:20 |
| rodarvus | sure, please send it to me | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus: well I had to make a bit of an ugly hack | 02:21 |
| cbx33 | seeing as the gconf functions in glib only write files in engine mode, with root as the owner | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | so I've had to get pessulus to chown the files after it completes | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | vuntz and ogra are ok with it, so...I am too ! | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | heh :) | 02:23 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus: I'm not quite sure what is left to do on VNC, but I told ogra I'd have a look | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | I don't think vnc is supposed to be something hard - probably just making sure it runs securely (ie, with some basic authentication, etc) | 02:24 |
| rodarvus | might be somewhat of a challenge, though | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | yes | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | it may been some modificatio to the x11vnc pacakge ogra said | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | brb 2 mins RichEd | 02:25 |
| ogra | it needs to get an initscript and needs to read a password dynamically ... | 02:25 |
| ogra | additionally we need to determine the best compression options to transfer an 800x600@16 screen | 02:26 |
| rodarvus | ogra, would you recommend that to be done on an extra -ltsp package, or on the x11vnc package itself? | 02:26 |
| ogra | in the x11vnc package ... | 02:26 |
| rodarvus | ogra, oh, I can help with that part | 02:26 |
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| ogra | make the initscript silently die if /etc/ltsp_chroot doesnt exists | 02:27 |
| ogra | so we make sure that mode runs only on ltsp clients | 02:27 |
| rodarvus | chosing the appropriate vnc protocol features is a matter of latency and processor speed | 02:27 |
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| rodarvus | :) | 02:28 |
| rodarvus | Hooray! | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus: you gem | 02:28 |
| ogra | rodarvus, yep, but we need defaults for the start ... | 02:28 |
| rodarvus | ogra, indeed | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | think we can get VNC working for FF? | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | i think ogra said it's 90% done on the SCP side didn't you? | 02:28 |
| ogra | yes | 02:28 |
| ogra | try it | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | just need to read the passwords | 02:28 |
| cbx33 | am I right? | 02:29 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, that should be reasonably easy if you have 4-6 hours to spare (at most, I think) | 02:29 |
| ogra | (it has its rough edges ... and surely needs to be ported to a proper subprocess implementation) | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus: cool | 02:29 |
| ogra | i likely used popen or something similar evil | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | hang on if I have 4-6 hours ? ;) | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | ogra: you naughty chap ! | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | brb | 02:29 |
| ogra | well, its faster ;) | 02:30 |
| ogra | hmm, the .dmrc part wont work for ldm ... | 02:30 |
| ogra | at least not easy | 02:30 |
| ogra | WOAH | 02:31 |
| === ogra is able to use composite in xfce | ||
| ogra | on a thin client! | 02:32 |
| highvoltage | really? | 02:32 |
| highvoltage | ogra: you shouldn't have said that out loud, now people will *pest* you for howtos and support :-P | 02:32 |
| ogra | i'm not sure its not only using fake composition ... and the client has 128M and 533MHz | 02:32 |
| ogra | well, i just checked the checkbox in the settings manager | 02:33 |
| ogra | thats all for the howto ;) | 02:33 |
| ogra | woah | 02:33 |
| ogra | even opacity works | 02:33 |
| ogra | well, sloppy focus gets a bit slow with it ... | 02:34 |
| === highvoltage thinks it's probably real | ||
| jsgotangco | hey guys how are you all doing? | 02:36 |
| ogra | busy as hell :) | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | oh me too :/ | 02:36 |
| rodarvus | ogra, Composition is only dependant on the video driver you are using | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | but should be bearing big fruits soon | 02:37 |
| rodarvus | if it supports it, you should be all set :) | 02:37 |
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| cbx333 | hi RichEd sorry | 02:37 |
| cbx333 | i'll be back asap | 02:37 |
| ogra | rodarvus, thats the funny stiff a) i dont have access to /dev/dri/* on the client and b) i'm using a non 3D card on the client | 02:37 |
| ogra | *stuff | 02:37 |
| RichEd | no problem .. sending an email to ogra ... ping when back | 02:37 |
| ogra | i think its faked ... but impressingly fast for that | 02:38 |
| rodarvus | ogra: oh, this is unexpected, then :) | 02:38 |
| rodarvus | how come you don't have access to /dev/dri on the client? | 02:39 |
| ogra | because the session is running on the server :) | 02:39 |
| ogra | so a compositing manager would only have access to /dev/dri on the server ... | 02:39 |
| cbx33 | ogra: WOW composite in a thin client | 02:39 |
| rodarvus | right, but there is a kernel and a X server running on the client, isn' it? | 02:39 |
| ogra | sure | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | ogra: is this on XFCE? | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | sorry I just read above | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | WOW | 02:40 |
| ogra | but doesnt the compositing manager need the direct access ? | 02:40 |
| ogra | (i mean thats what DRI stands for, doesnt it ?) | 02:40 |
| rodarvus | it needs the Composite extension, which runs on the client | 02:40 |
| cbx33 | ping RichEd | 02:40 |
| ogra | rodarvus, ah, as an x module ... right | 02:40 |
| rodarvus | ogra, are you sure this thin client doesn't have the Composite extention? it could have, if its stuff from 3-4 to now | 02:41 |
| ogra | well, the chroot is a week old or so ... 7.1 should be installed ... | 02:41 |
| ogra | but i have a slight keyboard prob here and cant switch to console to check logs :/ | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | yeah, I know that :) I was asking about the video board you have on this thin client | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: thank you for the mention in your blog, the pleasure is mine ;) | 02:42 |
| ogra | i think trident cyberblade or something like that | 02:42 |
| ogra | nothing with nifty 3D features, there i'm sure | 02:43 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: you deserve it :p | 02:43 |
| ogra | hmm the restart/shutdown buttons apprea slightly evil in xfce ... | 02:45 |
| ogra | *appear | 02:45 |
| rodarvus | ogra, actually, the Composite extension is not 3D. you just need acceleration support (via either XAA or EXA) implemented on the video driver, and a few extra hooks to support Composite, on this same driver | 02:45 |
| ogra | ah | 02:46 |
| ogra | XAA should be there | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | ahh cool rodarvus | 02:46 |
| rodarvus | its more about if your driver is well supported on X.Org ;) | 02:47 |
| cbx33 | ogra: is getting xfce running easy | 02:47 |
| ogra | installing xfce4-session xfdesktop4 xfwm4 was al i did ... | 02:48 |
| ogra | *all | 02:48 |
| RichEd | hi ogra ... I've sent the Edulinux email ... Can we make a time for Wednesday to dig deeper ? ... You can suggest a time via email. | 02:48 |
| ogra | before or after the edubuntu meeting i'D say | 02:49 |
| ogra | its an EC meeting so if we have applicants it might be a longer one ... | 02:49 |
| RichEd | before then ... say at the top of the hour 11:00 UTC ? | 02:51 |
| ogra | sounds fine | 02:51 |
| cbx33 | oh shute | 02:52 |
| cbx33 | I have minutes to do for the last two weeks | 02:52 |
| cbx33 | I said I'd never let that happen again | 02:52 |
| cbx33 | damn pessulus and SCP | 02:52 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, slacker :) | 02:57 |
| cbx33 | :( | 02:57 |
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| ogra | hmm, right, composite and firefox scrolling dont really like each other :) | 03:31 |
| ogra | gets pretty slow ... | 03:31 |
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| cbx33 | :( | 03:41 |
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| capt_kirk | Hi all. Newbie question on LTSP server. I have it all up and running with a server and two thin clients in a test suite. (Nice distro, by the way!) | 04:18 |
| capt_kirk | The problem is that the clients or the server "forget" how to do the graphical login after a while. | 04:19 |
| capt_kirk | They always get an IP address from dhcpd and show the Ubuntu splash, but when it should get the gdm-like login, it goes to a tty screen | 04:20 |
| capt_kirk | If I reboot the server, all is fine again for a while and I can login from the thin clients, but then after a while they forget again. | 04:20 |
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| capt_kirk | It seems like a timer is expiring, but I can't think what it would be. | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | capt_kirk: I have experienced that too | 04:21 |
| ogra | no, its a bug | 04:21 |
| capt_kirk | It's not dhcpd, because they're getting the kernel. And I don't think it's sshd | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | ogra: ahhh | 04:21 |
| capt_kirk | ahh. is it documented? | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | is it fixable? | 04:21 |
| ogra | check if you have the graphica login if you hit alt-f7 after booting | 04:21 |
| capt_kirk | I'll be happy to document it if it's not, but I didn't want to enter a bug without checking here. | 04:22 |
| === cbx33 is going to make a "tired of paying for you software" poster for his office | ||
| cbx33 | LD | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | Hopefully I can give out some more CD's | 04:22 |
| capt_kirk | ogra, I didn't see one that looked like it in the bug list, but I may have missed it. | 04:22 |
| ogra | might be that ther is no bug filed yet | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | I'm curious guys...on the side of my box when it arrived were the product codes for edubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu CD's | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | and also one for stickers | 04:23 |
| ogra | its a usplash problem with the login manager | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | but I also saw some other product codes.... | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | anyone know what those items are ? | 04:23 |
| capt_kirk | ogra, thanks will check for alt-f7. | 04:23 |
| ogra | usplash needs to be down before the login manager starts up | 04:23 |
| ogra | on slow client that somethimes fails ... | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | ogra: can we put a wait/check in there? | 04:23 |
| ogra | no, doesnt work | 04:23 |
| capt_kirk | ogra: ahh, yeah, they're fairly slow clients | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | is usplash a process? | 04:24 |
| ogra | but you can enable sound as a workaround... that somehow makes it magically go away | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | or is it pre init? | 04:24 |
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| cbx33 | hahah | 04:24 |
| capt_kirk | although not too slow. celeron 1.2 GHz | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | whoa | 04:24 |
| capt_kirk | only 128 MB RAM | 04:24 |
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| cbx33 | capt_kirk: mine are about the same benchmark | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | upstart? | 04:24 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, and did it wipe your HD yet ? :P | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: you haven't been reading Keybuk's blogs aren't you ;) | 04:25 |
| cbx33 | is it on planet? | 04:25 |
| ogra | yep | 04:25 |
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| capt_kirk | ogra: I have sound enabled in lts.conf, is that the right way to try it? | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | its very very crackful | 04:25 |
| ogra | but read it on the fridge rather | 04:25 |
| ogra | capt_kirk, yes | 04:25 |
| capt_kirk | thanks. | 04:25 |
| ogra | but first check if its really that with the alt-f7 check | 04:25 |
| cbx33 | ogra: why so? | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | if it zones out on you, you won't know what hit you | 04:26 |
| ogra | cbx33, its impressing that you missed it ... it was on all german online media at least :) | 04:26 |
| capt_kirk | it doesn't do its magic on my system. let me go over to the lab to see if alt-f7 work. I'll log back in from there. | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | alright alright... | 04:26 |
| === cbx33 is dumb :p | ||
| ogra | nah | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 04:26 |
| ogra | just to busy ;) | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | true | 04:26 |
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| cbx33 | impressive that we may have VNC working | 04:26 |
| ogra | i would have missed it too if i wouldnt work closely with keybuk | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | we could get that entire spec completed | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | its something that you can say "earth-shaking" | 04:27 |
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| ogra | (not even planet) | 04:27 |
| === cbx33 reads planet and that's about it | ||
| jsgotangco | meh just use rss feeder | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | i just look at entries that fancies me | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | it just so happened keybuk has been writing some great stuff lately | 04:28 |
| ogra | lately ? | 04:29 |
| ogra | he always writes great stuff :) | 04:29 |
| ogra | (code i mean) | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | so upstart does???? | 04:29 |
| ogra | replace init and sysvinit | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | ooooh | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | WOW | 04:30 |
| ogra | its pretty scary | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | like i said, its earth-shaking | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | totally | 04:30 |
| ogra | but seems to work | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | I guess I should take more time to see what's going on :( | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | it replaces a grand 3+ decades of work | 04:30 |
| ogra | yep | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | *bah* - I need a new job | 04:30 |
| ogra | but i fear ltsp will suffer hard from it in edgy | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | i bet | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | how so? | 04:31 |
| ogra | since i wont have the time to fix every breakage caused by it | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | ah | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | is it going into edgy then? | 04:31 |
| ogra | we remove a ton of startup links for services | 04:31 |
| ogra | (in ltsp) | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | :S | 04:31 |
| ogra | i'm not yet sure upstart wil respect that | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | :( | 04:32 |
| ogra | that could give us a 2 minute boot or longer ... | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | its already in edgy (in universe) | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | but there's a roadmap | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | we'll probably just see it sooner than we think | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | it'll make all ubuntu books obsolete bwahaha | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | :S | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | very earth shattering | 04:36 |
| === cbx33 will one day write something eather shattering.... - (I hope) | ||
| cbx33 | s/eather/earth | 04:37 |
| cbx33 | it's just having the time | 04:45 |
| rodarvus | I'm using upstart on my laptop, boots quite quickly already | 04:55 |
| rodarvus | (and outputs no message during boot, creepy) | 04:55 |
| rodarvus | ogra, otoh, upstart is meant to be a non-instrusive replacement for sysvinit for edgy | 04:55 |
| rodarvus | and if it doesn't, its a bug. | 04:55 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 04:55 |
| cbx33 | bbl guys | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | anyhow im not using it yet, i dont have enough machines | 05:02 |
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| nai | i find this weird... when im using the live cd of edubuntu on my laptop the internet works without doing anything but when i finally installed it the net wont totally work. im really new to linux | 05:36 |
| nai | anyone who can help? | 05:39 |
| neenaoffline | nai: what sort of net connection do you have ? | 05:43 |
| nai | dsl.... it seems that the ethernet card is not detected....its a pcmcia | 05:44 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, my excellent patch won't work | 05:45 |
| cbx33 | :( | 05:45 |
| cbx33 | as they are written afterwards | 05:47 |
| neenaoffline | nai: why don't you try #ubuntu | 05:47 |
| neenaoffline | nai: we don't have DSL at our place much :( | 05:47 |
| neenaoffline | nai: India | 05:47 |
| nai | ic... well thanks for your effort | 05:49 |
| nai | though is it possible that you know how will my ethernet card be detected as eth0 not lo | 05:49 |
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| capt_kirk | cbx33: The alt-f7 trick worked for me. I was able to restore the graphical login on the thin client with it. I'll watch for ogra and feed that back to him. | 05:55 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:56 |
| nai | neena: can you show me how do i determine what drivers are loaded for a specific device...? because when i use the live cd it can detect my lancard but when i boot using the installed one it cant detect it so i will try to figure it out with the live cd configurtion | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | i'll be here probably most of the evening, so I can feed it back if you go | 05:56 |
| capt_kirk | thanks. | 05:56 |
| capt_kirk | second newbie question, I'm trying to plan how I'll manage users across three or four labs (with a LTSP server in each lab due to number of computers and distance between labs). Same users. I'd like to only create them once and let them have one /home/user/ folder that is accessible from all of the labs. I've done a quick look, but haven't found documentation on how to easily do that with... | 06:00 |
| capt_kirk | ...Edubuntu. Is there an easy solution documented that someone could point me to? Thanks. | 06:00 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: I suggest you use ldap. | 06:03 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: or a common ltsp server | 06:03 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: a common ltsp server is an easier to setup and maybe even cheaper | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: however ldap is better for common authentication tasks. which is not only limited to ltsp | 06:04 |
| capt_kirk | lucasvo: thanks. I've thought about common ltsp, but we'll end up with about 50 computers spread across 4 buildings. I'm concerned about the load on one server for that | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: I haven't set up a big lab for now. however there are people who did this. I think the scalability isn't that bad | 06:05 |
| capt_kirk | lucasvo: the buildings are 50-100 meters apart from each other. The lag on the ethernet is negligible, but how does LTSP perform under a 50-thin-client load? | 06:06 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: infrastructure wise it's the same | 06:06 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: if you have a common fileserver you also need a good wired connection | 06:06 |
| capt_kirk | locasvo: good point | 06:06 |
| capt_kirk | locasvo: and it would be easier to administer for the average school admin. | 06:07 |
| lucasvo | yes | 06:07 |
| capt_kirk | I'm working at a college in Tanzania for a year, and when I leave the network needs to be fairly easy to administer. So, I may end up with the common LTSP option | 06:08 |
| lucasvo | yes | 06:08 |
| lucasvo | you need about 13gb ram | 06:08 |
| capt_kirk | locasvo: would you recommend gigabit between buildings, or should 100 MB be sufficient | 06:08 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: gigabit for sure! | 06:09 |
| capt_kirk | locasvo: thanks. | 06:09 |
| capt_kirk | where did you get 13 Gb? I've heard 128 MB as an upper requirement for each client, plus about 256 for the server, which equals about 7 GB. Other places, I've seen that clients can really only need 50 MB. Are you seeing a higher per-client requirement? Thanks. | 06:11 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: yeah, I have wrong numbers. | 06:12 |
| lucasvo | capt_kirk: 6.4gb in the server | 06:12 |
| capt_kirk | locasvo: whew, you scared me! lol | 06:12 |
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| Amaranth | ack | 07:28 |
| Amaranth | ogra hasn't started the final survey yet for SoC :/ | 07:28 |
| cbx33 | Amaranth, is willow finished? | 07:28 |
| cbx33 | ogra is swamped | 07:28 |
| Amaranth | it'll probably take a year to be "finished" :P | 07:28 |
| cbx33 | well u know what i mean | 07:28 |
| Amaranth | well, hopefully today i'll have a new package that isn't broken :) | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | woohoo | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | that'll please LaserJock | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | he helped :) | 07:30 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | nice blog post, btw | 07:30 |
| cbx33 | he's a good lad | 07:30 |
| cbx33 | thanx | 07:30 |
| cbx33 | Amaranth, you should be on that list | 07:31 |
| === cbx33 edits | ||
| Amaranth | eek | 07:31 |
| Amaranth | *blushes* | 07:31 |
| cbx33 | done | 07:31 |
| cbx33 | it'll update when they poll next | 07:32 |
| cbx33 | hehe someone commented on my post | 07:32 |
| cbx33 | Wow lol. Perhaps I just read that wrong. Is their really a single point of authority and structured hierarchy? Sounds like a dictatorship, not a community. | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | Is it in moderation or something? I wanted to reply to it. :) | 07:34 |
| cbx33 | I'll it is in moderation | 07:35 |
| cbx33 | I'll approve :D | 07:35 |
| cbx33 | done | 07:35 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: would you be a potentual attendee to edubuntu summit 07 in zurich/switzerland ? :) | 07:36 |
| cbx33 | ooooh | 07:36 |
| cbx33 | would depend on a) job at the time b) financial situation | 07:37 |
| cbx33 | but I'm definitely interested | 07:37 |
| cbx33 | why does X install withe the intl option set on the keyboard now? | 07:37 |
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| Amaranth | cbx33: post posted, can you fix my grammar errors before approving? :) | 07:38 |
| cbx33 | sure :p | 07:38 |
| Amaranth | it's = its, i always do that | 07:38 |
| Amaranth | hey ogra | 07:38 |
| cbx33 | Amaranth, no fixing needed :p | 07:39 |
| cbx33 | evening ogra | 07:39 |
| cbx33 | pessulus patch idea No3 in operation | 07:39 |
| cbx33 | Amaranth, thanks for the comment | 07:40 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: p1ps and I want to plan something. we're trying to get some ngo's, educational people and devs together in zurich. | 07:41 |
| cbx33 | lucasvo, i'd love to, but don't I'd be able to afford it at the moment | 07:41 |
| Amaranth | cbx33: your blog looks like one of the blogger templates :P | 07:45 |
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| cbx33 | ..... Amaranth slightly modified but yet | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | I did fading java buttons at the top | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | for the contact/about buttons | 07:45 |
| Amaranth | oh, it is one of the blogger templates? | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | it's a template | 07:46 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that's a nice touch | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | from the wodpress site | 07:46 |
| Amaranth | i might have to steal that when i redo my blog some year | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | and the word cloud I modified | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | so you can get per blog clouds | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | oh and if you click on a word you see every post with that word in it | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | that's some thing new too | 07:46 |
| rodarvus | ogra, I wonder what is the real reason for us to have the 'edubuntu' and 'edubuntu-testers' LaunchPad groups | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | AJAX my friend ! :D | 07:46 |
| rodarvus | they seem like (weak) duplicates of edubuntu-members and ubuntu-qa | 07:47 |
| capt_kirk | ogra: I tried the alt-f7 trick when the thin client gave me a tty screen, and it restored the graphical login. The graphical login remained until I rebooted the thin client, when it needed another alt-f7 to kick-start it again. | 08:00 |
| capt_kirk | ogra: Thanks for the tip. Is there any way I can fix that with a script for now, or do I need to just put instructions by the thin clients for now? | 08:01 |
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| cbx33 | pygi, hi | 08:06 |
| pygi | hey ho cbx33 | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | I broke my patch on pessulus | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | but I found a way roudn it | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | damn gconf and it's delayed writing of keys | 08:07 |
| pygi | :P | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | supprisingly gconftool-2 has no delay | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | but it's working well.... | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | just gotta sort out mandatory keys | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | and I'll be finished with pessulus | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | Amaranth, http://www.progbox.co.uk/~cbx33co/ | 08:10 |
| cbx33 | incase you're interested | 08:10 |
| cbx33 | not finished yet or live | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | stop typing so i can click :P | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | ack, epiphany froze | 08:11 |
| cbx33 | ooop on my site? | 08:11 |
| cbx33 | works fine in FF :S - wonder why that could be? | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | i dunno | 08:11 |
| cbx33 | sorry Amaranth | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | it was totem | 08:13 |
| cbx33 | ah | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | looks nice | 08:13 |
| cbx33 | ty | 08:13 |
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| EmxBA | hi everybody :) | 08:27 |
| pygi | hey ho EmxBA | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | pygi: have you seen that debian has forked cdrtools as well? | 08:27 |
| EmxBA | pygi:o_O :D | 08:27 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, ofcourse | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | pygi: have you had a chance to sit down with the debian guy, so as not to end up with two forks? | 08:28 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, what exactly am I forking? I ain't forking cdrtools :P | 08:30 |
| Burgundavia | libburn? | 08:30 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, that's my upstream project, yes | 08:31 |
| Burgundavia | anyway | 08:31 |
| pygi | that has nothing to do with cdrtools/cdrkit | 08:31 |
| Amaranth | oh, you're the fork of libburn they were talking about | 08:31 |
| pygi | Amaranth, who? what? why? no forks :P | 08:31 |
| Amaranth | pygi: in the cdrtools thread on debian-devel they said there was an original libburn and a forked version, the forked version started with 'py', i think | 08:32 |
| pygi | Amaranth, right :) | 08:33 |
| pygi | http://libburn.pykix.org | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | I thought they filled the same niche | 08:33 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that's the forked one | 08:33 |
| Amaranth | is that yours? | 08:33 |
| pygi | yes, but that isn't fork :P | 08:33 |
| pygi | whatever :) | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | regardless, it doesn't make sense for many forks/rewrites out there | 08:33 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, don't worry, I am in constant connection with debian folks anyway, doesn't matter that this isn't related :P | 08:34 |
| pygi | Burgundavia, oki, so libburn is library, cdrkit cdrecord fork isn't | 08:34 |
| pygi | cdrecord && mkisofs code is very bad, humans can't read it in any possible way :P | 08:34 |
| Amaranth | *shudder* | 08:35 |
| pygi | Amaranth, what? :) | 08:35 |
| Amaranth | cdrecord code | 08:36 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: ping | 08:50 |
| pygi | sbalneav, !!! | 08:51 |
| pygi | I need you, you have time? | 08:51 |
| sbalneav | Hey pygi | 08:51 |
| sbalneav | Yep, sure do | 08:52 |
| pygi | sbalneav, so have you sorted that iscsi suggestions mess? :P | 08:52 |
| sbalneav | Not yet, no. I was working on more localdev stuff this weekend. | 08:52 |
| pygi | sbalneav, oki, please sort out what we should use pls :) | 08:53 |
| sbalneav | Alright, I'll try to do some thinking on it today. | 08:53 |
| pygi | sbalneav, thanks | 08:54 |
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| pygi | sbalneav, once we should start writing spec | 09:06 |
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| sbalneav | Hm! | 09:45 |
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| sbalneav | I can't seem to <ctrl><alt><f1> to another vty with eft-2 | 09:46 |
| sbalneav | On a thin client. | 09:46 |
| sbalneav | Makes it hard to debug :( | 09:46 |
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| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | nice blog post | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 10:41 |
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| cbx33 | how are you? | 10:41 |
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| TeePOG | good evening | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: fine | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | good good | 10:45 |
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| TeePOG | can anyone please tell me which usergroup[s] a user has to belong to, in order to login over the terminal server? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | TeePOG: I don't think it takes a usergroup | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | oh wait, nvm, I don't really know | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking you were saying ssh rather than LTSP | 11:37 |
| TeePOG | well, on my own username [created during installation] i can login, but any other users i've created since, it does nothing | 11:37 |
| TeePOG | oh ok LaserJock | 11:38 |
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