[12:19] <Amaranth> LaserJock: working on an alacarte release
[12:19] <LaserJock> Amaranth: ah
[12:22] <BoneHead> what would cause a ide_intr: huh? expected NULL when trying to boot to the livecd?
[03:46] <bddebian> Hello
[03:47] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:50] <Burgundavia> hey bddebian, LaserJock
[03:50] <LaserJock> hi Corey
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi Burgundavia
[03:51] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000052.html
[03:53] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Nice
[03:54] <Burgundavia> another week done
[04:25] <Amaranth> whatever happened to safety boat?
[04:45] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:40] <DrkLrd> RichEd, ping
[08:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: wb
[08:29] <cbx33> heh
[08:29] <cbx33> I'm off again now
[08:29] <cbx33> bbs
[08:38] <RichEd> hi hi
[09:48] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:48] <Burgundavia> cbx33: having fun with pessulus?
[09:50] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia 
[09:54] <cbx33> Burgundavia: yeh
[09:54] <cbx33> evenmore fun now
[09:54] <cbx33> I've noticed a problem
[09:54] <cbx33> but I've made an ugly hack
[09:55] <cbx33> when editing keys, for a different user, it saves them as root
[09:55] <cbx33> with permission 700
[09:55] <cbx33> grrrr
[09:57] <Burgundavia> right, that is fun
[09:58] <cbx33> so I added a subprocess to chown themall back to the user after its finished
[09:58] <cbx33> that's the ugly hack
[10:04] <cbx33> but at the moment I can't see a way round it
[10:05] <Burgundavia> well, pessulus should be able to edit any users keys
[10:06] <RichEd> hi cbx33 hello Burgundavia 
[10:06] <RichEd> cbx33: what time did we agree today ?
[10:07] <cbx33> RichEd: well
[10:07] <cbx33> I'm free whenever you are
[10:07] <cbx33> like from now
[10:07] <cbx33> it's first day back at aschool
[10:07] <cbx33> so pretty hectic
[10:07] <cbx33> but they are all in a meeting now
[10:07] <cbx33> so it's prety quiet
[10:07] <RichEd> I need to dig though mail ... some from the boss man need attention ...
[10:07] <cbx33> ok
[10:07] <cbx33> just gimme a shout dude !
[10:08] <RichEd> I'm tryng to set up a meeting with Jonon Bacon ...
[10:08] <cbx33> Burgundavia: well, it needs to for pessulus !
[10:08] <cbx33> sorry
[10:08] <cbx33> for SCP
[10:08] <cbx33> RichEd: excellent
[10:09] <RichEd> cbx33: jono & I will probably do 1:00 pm your time ...
[10:09] <RichEd> so can we aim for 2:00 pm your time for you & me ?
[10:09] <cbx33> um....
[10:09] <cbx33> 2pm...
[10:09] <cbx33> should be good
[10:09] <cbx33> my time
[10:10] <cbx33> 5 hours away?
[10:10] <cbx33> Burgundavia: SCP has the ability to lockdown a specific user, and so I need the ability to edit their keys
[10:10] <RichEd> yep
[10:10] <RichEd> I'll try to mail charles masters as well before that.
[10:10] <cbx33> I'm patching pessulus in association with vuntz
[10:10] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:10] <cbx33> RichEd: cool
[10:11] <cbx33> but it's proving to give me the same problem as just running it as another user which is what I did ogirnally through sux !
[10:11] <cbx33> but sux doesn't work on LTSP
[10:11] <cbx33> I hope vuntz/ogra/pitti will approve the chowning plan
[10:11] <cbx33> as it's the only way I can see to get it to work
[10:40] <Burgundavia> cbx33: you need a better hackergotchi
[10:40] <Burgundavia> hey ogra
[10:41] <ogra> hi
[10:41] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[10:41] <cbx33> Burgundavia: you don;t like it ? :(
[10:41] <Burgundavia> it is not in the 
[10:41] <Burgundavia> "Planet style"
[10:41] <Burgundavia> bloody keyboard, with the bloody shift too near the bloody enter
[10:42] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia 
[10:42] <cbx33> I'll get it fixed
[10:42] <cbx33> Ubuntu-Demon has a weird one too
[10:42] <Burgundavia> cbx33: don't apologize
[10:42] <Burgundavia> I would love for him to change it
[10:42] <cbx33> i don;t like my whole face though :p
[10:42] <cbx33> ogra: had an interesting development on the whole pessulus front
[10:42] <cbx33> if you have a secI'd love to bring you up to speed
[11:58] <cbx33> ping ogra, vuntz has given me the go ahead to repackage and apply the patch to pessulus
[11:58] <cbx33> once I have it complete, seeing as he'll be really busy with gnome for the wednesday release
[11:58] <ogra> cool, prepare a package and i'll upload it
[11:59] <cbx33> ogra: I've had to do a bit of an ugly hack
[12:00] <ogra> if vubtz is fien with it thats ok for me
[12:00] <cbx33> pessulus is great but still ended up with the same problem as before, the gconf files it created were owned by root
[12:00] <ogra> *vuntz
[12:00] <cbx33> and chmodded to 700
[12:00] <cbx33> so the normal user couldn't read them
[12:00] <cbx33> to pessulus, upon completing the gconfwrite chowns it
[12:00] <cbx33> as it's root it's able to
[12:01] <cbx33> vuntz said it's not ideal but it's an acceptable solution
[12:01] <ogra> ok
[12:01] <cbx33> i know sabayon does some file copying
[12:01] <cbx33> probably for the same reason
[12:01] <cbx33> so SCP, should be ready to go tonight from my end
[12:01] <cbx33> the only thing we're lacking is VNC at the mo
[12:02] <ogra> i'll try to find some time by the end of the week for that ... but no promises
[12:02] <cbx33> ok
[12:02] <cbx33> I'll do my best to sort somthing out 
[12:02] <Burgundavia> cbx33: sabayon creates a zip that is then pulled down by the user
[12:02] <cbx33> but I'm pretty pushed for time at the mo
[12:03] <ogra> same here ...
[12:03] <cbx33> Burgundavia: yeh, thought it must do something
[12:03] <cbx33> ogra: I know
[12:03] <cbx33> I understand
[12:10] <cbx33> has the spec actually been approved yet?
[12:10] <ogra> mdz is still on vacation ... 
[12:12] <cbx33> :S
[12:13] <highvoltage> *vacation
[12:13] <Burgundavia> well, mdz does sing better than most robots
[01:35] <jsgotangco> RichEd: ping?
[01:36] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco in a meeting with jono ... open dialogue and write your message ... i'll flip over when space permits
[01:36] <jsgotangco> sure
[01:37] <jsgotangco> RichEd: just want to tell you I started today but nothing much exciting happened but will do so in the coming days
[02:08] <RichEd> cbx33 : jello jello ? ping ping ?
[02:09] <cbx33> pingpong
[02:09] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[02:10] <cbx33> sorry
[02:10] <cbx33> jello jello pong pong
[02:11] <RichEd> no problem ... how are you looking ... busy busy or 30 mins to chat & think ?
[02:12] <cbx33> yeh I'm cool to chat
[02:12] <RichEd> okay ... give me 5 ... then look out for a window
[02:12] <cbx33> I can see 2 windows already
[02:12] <cbx33> more than I had in my old office
[02:13] <cbx33> heheh
[02:13] <RichEd> But good news ... had a great chat right now with Jono Bacon ...
[02:13] <cbx33> excellent
[02:13] <RichEd> He does not need to have his arm twisted to help with Education ...
[02:13] <cbx33> heheh
[02:14] <RichEd> The man has been thinking and plotting as part of his personal passion ... and is looking for an outlet for that energy.
[02:14] <cbx33> w00t
[02:15] <RichEd> And brings some good education contacts ... for the past 3 years, the client base that he's been consulting and advising to has included schools and education departments
[02:15] <RichEd> so it is real world and not speculative.
[02:16] <cbx33> that is excellent
[02:16] <cbx33> culd tie into what we talked about before
[02:16] <RichEd> correction, that is most excellent
[02:17] <RichEd> everything is connected
[02:17] <cbx33> how does fabulous grab you?
[02:17] <RichEd> The Grand Unified Theory of Everything is certainly not based on proprietary software.
[02:17] <RichEd> :)
[02:18] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:18] <RichEd> 1 phone call and then I am ready cbx33 
[02:18] <cbx33> nice
[02:18] <cbx33> I'm just munching so I'm ready whenever
[02:19] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[02:19] <rodarvus> hi cbx331
[02:19] <rodarvus> !
[02:19] <rodarvus> :)
[02:20] <cbx33> hehe
[02:20] <cbx33> rodarvus: I think I pretty much solved the SCP Pessulus problem
[02:20] <cbx33> we're good to go
[02:20] <rodarvus> nice!
[02:20] <cbx33> just VNC to do and we're finished
[02:20] <rodarvus> what did you had to do?
[02:20] <RichEd> hi rodarvus : got time to read an email over a coffee ? mobile eductation ?
[02:21] <rodarvus> sure, please send it to me
[02:21] <cbx33> rodarvus: well I had to make a bit of an ugly hack
[02:22] <cbx33> seeing as the gconf functions in glib only write files in engine mode, with root as the owner
[02:22] <cbx33> so I've had to get pessulus to chown the files after it completes
[02:22] <cbx33> vuntz and ogra are ok with it, so...I am too !
[02:23] <rodarvus> heh :)
[02:23] <cbx33> rodarvus: I'm not quite sure what is left to do on VNC, but I told ogra I'd have a look
[02:24] <rodarvus> I don't think vnc is supposed to be something hard - probably just making sure it runs securely (ie, with some basic authentication, etc)
[02:24] <rodarvus> might be somewhat of a challenge, though
[02:24] <cbx33> yes
[02:24] <cbx33> yeh
[02:24] <cbx33> it may been some modificatio to the x11vnc pacakge ogra said
[02:25] <cbx33> brb 2 mins RichEd 
[02:25] <ogra> it needs to get an initscript and needs to read a password dynamically ...
[02:26] <ogra> additionally we need to determine the best compression options to transfer an 800x600@16 screen
[02:26] <rodarvus> ogra, would you recommend that to be done on an extra -ltsp package, or on the x11vnc package itself?
[02:26] <ogra> in the x11vnc package ...
[02:26] <rodarvus> ogra, oh, I can help with that part
[02:27] <ogra> make the initscript silently die if /etc/ltsp_chroot doesnt exists
[02:27] <ogra> so we make sure that mode runs only on ltsp clients
[02:27] <rodarvus> chosing the appropriate vnc protocol features is a matter of latency and processor speed
[02:28] <rodarvus> :)
[02:28] <rodarvus> Hooray!
[02:28] <cbx33> rodarvus: you gem
[02:28] <ogra> rodarvus, yep, but we need defaults for the start ...
[02:28] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed
[02:28] <cbx33> think we can get VNC working for FF? 
[02:28] <cbx33> i think ogra said it's 90% done on the SCP side didn't you?
[02:28] <ogra> yes
[02:28] <ogra> try it
[02:28] <cbx33> just need to read the passwords
[02:29] <cbx33> am I right?
[02:29] <rodarvus> cbx33, that should be reasonably easy if you have 4-6 hours to spare (at most, I think)
[02:29] <ogra> (it has its rough edges ... and surely needs to be ported to a proper subprocess implementation)
[02:29] <cbx33> rodarvus: cool
[02:29] <ogra> i likely used popen or something similar evil
[02:29] <cbx33> hang on if I have 4-6 hours ? ;)
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: you naughty chap !
[02:29] <cbx33>  brb
[02:30] <ogra> well, its faster ;)
[02:30] <ogra> hmm, the .dmrc part wont work for ldm ...
[02:30] <ogra> at least not easy
[02:31] <ogra> WOAH
[02:32] <ogra> on a thin client!
[02:32] <highvoltage> really?
[02:32] <highvoltage> ogra: you shouldn't have said that out loud, now people will *pest* you for howtos and support :-P
[02:32] <ogra> i'm not sure its not only using fake composition ... and the client has 128M and 533MHz
[02:33] <ogra> well, i just checked the checkbox in the settings manager
[02:33] <ogra> thats all for the howto ;)
[02:33] <ogra> woah
[02:33] <ogra> even opacity works
[02:34] <ogra> well, sloppy focus gets a bit slow with it ...
[02:36] <jsgotangco> hey guys how are you all doing?
[02:36] <ogra> busy as hell :)
[02:36] <jsgotangco> oh me too :/
[02:36] <rodarvus> ogra, Composition is only dependant on the video driver you are using
[02:37] <jsgotangco> but should be bearing big fruits soon
[02:37] <rodarvus> if it supports it, you should be all set :)
[02:37] <cbx333> hi RichEd sorry
[02:37] <cbx333> i'll  be back asap
[02:37] <ogra> rodarvus, thats the funny stiff a) i dont have access to /dev/dri/* on the client and b) i'm using a non 3D card on the client
[02:37] <ogra> *stuff
[02:37] <RichEd> no problem .. sending an email to ogra ... ping when back
[02:38] <ogra> i think its faked ... but impressingly fast for that 
[02:38] <rodarvus> ogra: oh, this is unexpected, then :)
[02:39] <rodarvus> how come you don't have access to /dev/dri on the client?
[02:39] <ogra> because the session is running on the server :)
[02:39] <ogra> so a compositing manager would only have access to /dev/dri on the server ...
[02:39] <cbx33> ogra: WOW composite in a thin client
[02:39] <rodarvus> right, but there is a kernel and a X server running on the client, isn' it?
[02:40] <ogra> sure
[02:40] <cbx33> ogra: is this on XFCE?
[02:40] <cbx33> sorry I just read above
[02:40] <cbx33> WOW
[02:40] <ogra> but doesnt the compositing manager need the direct access ?
[02:40] <ogra> (i mean thats what DRI stands for, doesnt it ?)
[02:40] <rodarvus> it needs the Composite extension, which runs on the client
[02:40] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[02:40] <ogra> rodarvus, ah, as an x module ... right
[02:41] <rodarvus> ogra, are you sure this thin client doesn't have the Composite extention? it could have, if its stuff from 3-4 to now
[02:41] <ogra> well, the chroot is a week old or so ... 7.1 should be installed ...
[02:42] <ogra> but i have a slight keyboard prob here and cant switch to console to check logs :/
[02:42] <rodarvus> yeah, I know that :) I was asking about the video board you have on this thin client
[02:42] <jsgotangco> cbx33: thank you for the mention in your blog, the pleasure is mine ;)
[02:42] <ogra> i think trident cyberblade or something like that
[02:43] <ogra> nothing with nifty 3D features, there i'm sure
[02:43] <cbx33> jsgotangco: you deserve it :p
[02:45] <ogra> hmm the restart/shutdown buttons apprea slightly evil in xfce ...
[02:45] <ogra> *appear
[02:45] <rodarvus> ogra, actually, the Composite extension is not 3D. you just need acceleration support (via either XAA or EXA) implemented on the video driver, and a few extra hooks to support Composite, on this same driver
[02:46] <ogra> ah
[02:46] <ogra> XAA should be there 
[02:46] <cbx33> ahh cool rodarvus
[02:47] <rodarvus> its more about if your driver is well supported on X.Org ;)
[02:47] <cbx33> ogra: is getting xfce running easy
[02:48] <ogra> installing xfce4-session xfdesktop4 xfwm4 was al i did ...
[02:48] <ogra> *all
[02:48] <RichEd> hi ogra ... I've sent the Edulinux email ... Can we make a time for Wednesday to dig deeper ? ... You can suggest a time via email.
[02:49] <ogra> before or after the edubuntu meeting i'D say
[02:49] <ogra> its an EC meeting so if we have applicants it might be a longer one ... 
[02:51] <RichEd> before then ... say at the top of the hour 11:00 UTC ?
[02:51] <ogra> sounds fine
[02:52] <cbx33> oh shute 
[02:52] <cbx33> I have minutes to do for the last two weeks
[02:52] <cbx33> I said I'd never let that happen again
[02:52] <cbx33> damn pessulus and SCP
[02:57] <rodarvus> cbx33, slacker :)
[02:57] <cbx33> :(
[03:31] <ogra> hmm, right, composite and firefox scrolling dont really like each other :)
[03:31] <ogra> gets pretty slow ...
[03:41] <cbx33> :(
[04:18] <capt_kirk> Hi all.  Newbie question on LTSP server.  I have it all up and running with a server and two thin clients in a test suite.  (Nice distro, by the way!)  
[04:19] <capt_kirk> The problem is that the clients or the server "forget" how to do the graphical login after a while.
[04:20] <capt_kirk> They always get an IP address from dhcpd and show the Ubuntu splash, but when it should get the gdm-like login, it goes to a tty screen
[04:20] <capt_kirk> If I reboot the server, all is fine again for a while and I can login from the thin clients, but then after a while they forget again.
[04:20] <capt_kirk> It seems like a timer is expiring, but I can't think what it would be.
[04:21] <cbx33> capt_kirk: I have experienced that too
[04:21] <ogra> no, its a bug
[04:21] <capt_kirk> It's not dhcpd, because they're getting the kernel.  And I don't think it's sshd
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra: ahhh
[04:21] <capt_kirk> ahh.  is it documented?
[04:21] <cbx33> is it fixable?
[04:21] <ogra> check if you have the graphica login if you hit alt-f7 after booting
[04:22] <capt_kirk> I'll be happy to document it if it's not, but I didn't want to enter a bug without checking here.
[04:22] <cbx33> LD
[04:22] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:22] <cbx33> Hopefully I can give out some more CD's
[04:22] <capt_kirk> ogra, I didn't see one that looked like it in the bug list, but I may have missed it.
[04:22] <ogra> might be that ther is no bug filed yet
[04:23] <cbx33> I'm curious guys...on the side of my box when it arrived were the product codes for edubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu CD's
[04:23] <cbx33> and also one for stickers
[04:23] <ogra> its a usplash problem with the login manager
[04:23] <cbx33> but I also saw some other product codes....
[04:23] <cbx33> anyone know what those items are ?
[04:23] <capt_kirk> ogra, thanks will check for alt-f7.
[04:23] <ogra> usplash needs to be down before the login manager starts up
[04:23] <ogra> on slow client that somethimes fails ...
[04:23] <cbx33> ogra: can we put a wait/check in there?
[04:23] <ogra> no, doesnt work
[04:24] <capt_kirk> ogra: ahh, yeah, they're fairly slow clients
[04:24] <cbx33> is usplash a process?
[04:24] <ogra> but you can enable sound as a workaround... that somehow makes it magically go away
[04:24] <cbx33> or is it pre init?
[04:24] <cbx33> hahah
[04:24] <capt_kirk> although not too slow.  celeron 1.2 GHz
[04:24] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:24] <capt_kirk> only 128 MB RAM
[04:24] <cbx33> capt_kirk: mine are about the same benchmark
[04:24] <cbx33> upstart?
[04:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, and did it wipe your HD yet ? :P
[04:25] <jsgotangco> cbx33: you haven't been reading Keybuk's blogs aren't you ;)
[04:25] <cbx33> is it on planet?
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <capt_kirk> ogra: I have sound enabled in lts.conf, is that the right way to try it?
[04:25] <jsgotangco> its very very crackful
[04:25] <ogra> but read it on the fridge rather 
[04:25] <ogra> capt_kirk, yes
[04:25] <capt_kirk> thanks.
[04:25] <ogra> but first check if its really that with the alt-f7 check
[04:26] <cbx33> ogra: why so?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> if it zones out on you, you won't know what hit you
[04:26] <ogra> cbx33, its impressing that you missed it ... it was on all german online media at least :)
[04:26] <capt_kirk> it doesn't do its magic on my system.  let me go over to the lab to see if alt-f7 work.  I'll log back in from there.
[04:26] <cbx33> alright alright...
[04:26] <ogra> nah
[04:26] <cbx33> heheh
[04:26] <ogra> just to busy ;)
[04:26] <cbx33> true
[04:26] <cbx33> impressive that we may have VNC working
[04:27] <ogra> i would have missed it too if i wouldnt work closely with keybuk
[04:27] <cbx33> we could get that entire spec completed
[04:27] <jsgotangco> its something that you can say "earth-shaking"
[04:27] <ogra> (not even planet)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> meh just use rss feeder
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i just look at entries that fancies me
[04:28] <jsgotangco> it just so happened keybuk has been writing some great stuff lately
[04:29] <ogra> lately ? 
[04:29] <ogra> he always writes great stuff :)
[04:29] <ogra> (code i mean)
[04:29] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:29] <cbx33> so upstart does????
[04:29] <ogra> replace init and sysvinit
[04:30] <cbx33> ooooh
[04:30] <cbx33> WOW
[04:30] <ogra> its pretty scary
[04:30] <cbx33> yeh
[04:30] <jsgotangco> like i said, its earth-shaking
[04:30] <cbx33> totally
[04:30] <ogra> but seems to work
[04:30] <cbx33> I guess I should take more time to see what's going on :(
[04:30] <jsgotangco> it replaces a grand 3+ decades of work
[04:30] <ogra> yep
[04:30] <cbx33> *bah* - I need a new job
[04:30] <ogra> but i fear ltsp will suffer hard from it in edgy
[04:31] <jsgotangco> i bet
[04:31] <cbx33> how so?
[04:31] <ogra> since i wont have the time to fix every breakage caused by it
[04:31] <cbx33> ah
[04:31] <cbx33> is it going into edgy then?
[04:31] <ogra> we remove a ton of startup links for services
[04:31] <ogra> (in ltsp)
[04:31] <cbx33> :S
[04:31] <ogra> i'm not yet sure upstart wil respect that
[04:32] <cbx33> :(
[04:32] <ogra> that could give us a 2 minute boot or longer ...
[04:33] <jsgotangco> its already in edgy (in universe)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> but there's a roadmap
[04:34] <jsgotangco> we'll probably just see it sooner than we think
[04:34] <jsgotangco> it'll make all ubuntu books obsolete bwahaha
[04:36] <cbx33> :S
[04:36] <cbx33> very earth shattering
[04:37] <cbx33> s/eather/earth
[04:45] <cbx33> it's just having the time
[04:55] <rodarvus> I'm using upstart on my laptop, boots quite quickly already
[04:55] <rodarvus> (and outputs no message during boot, creepy)
[04:55] <rodarvus> ogra, otoh, upstart is meant to be a non-instrusive replacement for sysvinit for edgy
[04:55] <rodarvus> and if it doesn't, its a bug.
[04:55] <cbx33> heheh
[04:55] <cbx33> bbl guys
[05:02] <jsgotangco> anyhow im not using it yet, i dont have enough machines
[05:36] <nai> i find this weird... when im using the live cd of edubuntu on my laptop the internet works without doing anything but when i finally installed it the net wont totally work. im really new to linux
[05:39] <nai> anyone who can help? 
[05:43] <neenaoffline> nai: what sort of net connection do you have ?
[05:44] <nai> dsl.... it seems that the ethernet card is not detected....its a pcmcia
[05:45] <cbx33> ogra, my excellent patch won't work
[05:45] <cbx33> :(
[05:47] <cbx33> as they are written afterwards
[05:47] <neenaoffline> nai: why don't you try #ubuntu
[05:47] <neenaoffline> nai: we don't have DSL at our place much :(
[05:47] <neenaoffline> nai: India
[05:49] <nai> ic... well thanks for your effort
[05:49] <nai> though is it possible that you know how will my ethernet card be detected as eth0 not lo
[05:55] <capt_kirk> cbx33: The alt-f7 trick worked for me.  I was able to restore the graphical login on the thin client with it.  I'll watch for ogra and feed that back to him.
[05:56] <cbx33> ok
[05:56] <nai> neena: can you show me how do i determine what drivers are loaded for a specific device...? because when i use the live cd it can detect my lancard but when i boot using the installed one it cant detect it so i will try to figure it out with the live cd configurtion
[05:56] <cbx33> i'll be here probably most of the evening, so I can feed it back if you go
[05:56] <capt_kirk> thanks.
[06:00] <capt_kirk> second newbie question, I'm trying to plan how I'll manage users across three or four labs (with a LTSP server in each lab due to number of computers and distance between labs).  Same users.  I'd like to only create them once and let them have one /home/user/ folder that is accessible from all of the labs.  I've done a quick look, but haven't found documentation on how to easily do that with...
[06:00] <capt_kirk> ...Edubuntu.  Is there an easy solution documented that someone could point me to?  Thanks.
[06:03] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: I suggest you use ldap.
[06:03] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: or a common ltsp server
[06:04] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: a common ltsp server is an easier to setup and maybe even cheaper
[06:04] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: however ldap is better for common authentication tasks. which is not only limited to ltsp
[06:04] <capt_kirk> lucasvo: thanks.  I've thought about common ltsp, but we'll end up with about 50 computers spread across 4 buildings.  I'm concerned about the load on one server for that
[06:05] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: I haven't set up a big lab for now. however there are people who did this. I think the scalability isn't that bad
[06:06] <capt_kirk> lucasvo: the buildings are 50-100 meters apart from each other. The lag on the ethernet is negligible, but how does LTSP perform under a 50-thin-client load?
[06:06] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: infrastructure wise it's the same
[06:06] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: if you have a common fileserver you also need a good wired connection
[06:06] <capt_kirk> locasvo: good point
[06:07] <capt_kirk> locasvo: and it would be easier to administer for the average school admin.
[06:07] <lucasvo> yes
[06:08] <capt_kirk> I'm working at a college in Tanzania for a year, and when I leave the network needs to be fairly easy to administer.  So, I may end up with the common LTSP option
[06:08] <lucasvo> yes
[06:08] <lucasvo> you need about 13gb ram
[06:08] <capt_kirk> locasvo: would you recommend gigabit between buildings, or should 100 MB be sufficient
[06:09] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: gigabit for sure!
[06:09] <capt_kirk> locasvo: thanks.
[06:11] <capt_kirk> where did you get 13 Gb?  I've heard 128 MB as an upper requirement for each client, plus about 256 for the server, which equals about 7 GB.  Other places, I've seen that clients can really only need 50 MB.  Are you seeing a higher per-client requirement?  Thanks.
[06:12] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: yeah, I have wrong numbers.
[06:12] <lucasvo> capt_kirk: 6.4gb in the server
[06:12] <capt_kirk> locasvo: whew, you scared me!  lol
[07:28] <Amaranth> ack
[07:28] <Amaranth> ogra hasn't started the final survey yet for SoC :/
[07:28] <cbx33> Amaranth, is willow finished?
[07:28] <cbx33> ogra is swamped
[07:28] <Amaranth> it'll probably take a year to be "finished" :P
[07:28] <cbx33> well u know what i mean
[07:29] <Amaranth> well, hopefully today i'll have a new package that isn't broken :)
[07:29] <cbx33> woohoo
[07:30] <cbx33> that'll please LaserJock
[07:30] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:30] <Amaranth> he helped :)
[07:30] <cbx33> excellent
[07:30] <Amaranth> nice blog post, btw
[07:30] <cbx33> he's a good lad
[07:30] <cbx33> thanx
[07:31] <cbx33> Amaranth, you should be on that list
[07:31] <Amaranth> eek
[07:31] <Amaranth> *blushes*
[07:31] <cbx33> done
[07:32] <cbx33> it'll update when they poll next
[07:32] <cbx33> hehe someone commented on my post
[07:32] <cbx33> Wow lol. Perhaps I just read that wrong. Is their really a single point of authority and structured hierarchy? Sounds like a dictatorship, not a community.
[07:34] <Amaranth> Is it in moderation or something? I wanted to reply to it. :)
[07:35] <cbx33> I'll it is in moderation
[07:35] <cbx33> I'll approve :D
[07:35] <cbx33> done
[07:36] <lucasvo> cbx33: would you be a potentual attendee to edubuntu summit 07 in zurich/switzerland ? :)
[07:36] <cbx33> ooooh
[07:37] <cbx33> would depend on a) job at the time b) financial situation
[07:37] <cbx33> but I'm definitely interested
[07:37] <cbx33> why does X install withe the intl option set on the keyboard now?
[07:38] <Amaranth> cbx33: post posted, can you fix my grammar errors before approving? :)
[07:38] <cbx33> sure :p
[07:38] <Amaranth> it's = its, i always do that
[07:38] <Amaranth> hey ogra
[07:39] <cbx33> Amaranth, no fixing needed :p
[07:39] <cbx33> evening ogra 
[07:39] <cbx33> pessulus patch idea No3 in operation
[07:40] <cbx33> Amaranth, thanks for the comment
[07:41] <lucasvo> cbx33: p1ps and I want to plan something. we're trying to get some ngo's, educational people and devs together in zurich.
[07:41] <cbx33> lucasvo, i'd love to, but don't I'd be able to afford it at the moment
[07:45] <Amaranth> cbx33: your blog looks like one of the blogger templates :P
[07:45] <cbx33> ..... Amaranth slightly modified but yet
[07:45] <cbx33> I did fading java buttons at the top
[07:45] <cbx33> for the contact/about buttons
[07:45] <Amaranth> oh, it is one of the blogger templates?
[07:46] <cbx33> it's a template
[07:46] <Amaranth> yeah, that's a nice touch
[07:46] <cbx33> from the wodpress site
[07:46] <Amaranth> i might have to steal that when i redo my blog some year
[07:46] <cbx33> and the word cloud I modified
[07:46] <cbx33> so you can get per blog clouds
[07:46] <cbx33> oh and if you click on a word you see every post with that word in it
[07:46] <cbx33> that's some thing new too
[07:46] <rodarvus> ogra, I wonder what is the real reason for us to have the 'edubuntu' and 'edubuntu-testers' LaunchPad groups
[07:46] <cbx33> AJAX my friend ! :D
[07:47] <rodarvus> they seem like (weak) duplicates of edubuntu-members and ubuntu-qa
[08:00] <capt_kirk> ogra: I tried the alt-f7 trick when the thin client gave me a tty screen, and it restored the graphical login.  The graphical login remained until I rebooted the thin client, when it needed another alt-f7 to kick-start it again.
[08:01] <capt_kirk> ogra: Thanks for the tip.  Is there any way I can fix that with a script for now, or do I need to just put instructions by the thin clients for now?
[08:06] <cbx33> pygi, hi
[08:06] <pygi> hey ho cbx33 
[08:07] <cbx33> I broke my patch on pessulus
[08:07] <cbx33> but I found a way roudn it
[08:07] <cbx33> damn gconf and it's delayed writing of keys
[08:07] <pygi> :P
[08:07] <cbx33> supprisingly gconftool-2 has no delay
[08:07] <cbx33> but it's working well....
[08:07] <cbx33> just gotta sort out mandatory keys
[08:07] <cbx33> and I'll be finished with pessulus
[08:10] <cbx33> Amaranth, http://www.progbox.co.uk/~cbx33co/
[08:10] <cbx33> incase you're interested
[08:10] <cbx33> not finished yet or live
[08:10] <Amaranth> stop typing so i can click :P
[08:11] <Amaranth> ack, epiphany froze
[08:11] <cbx33> ooop on my site?
[08:11] <cbx33> works fine in FF :S - wonder why that could be?
[08:11] <Amaranth> i dunno
[08:12] <cbx33> sorry Amaranth 
[08:13] <Amaranth> it was totem
[08:13] <cbx33> ah
[08:13] <Amaranth> looks nice
[08:13] <cbx33> ty
[08:27] <EmxBA> hi everybody :)
[08:27] <pygi> hey ho EmxBA 
[08:27] <Burgundavia> pygi: have you seen that debian has forked cdrtools as well?
[08:27] <EmxBA> pygi:o_O :D
[08:28] <pygi> Burgundavia, ofcourse
[08:28] <Burgundavia> pygi: have you had a chance to sit down with the debian guy, so as not to end up with two forks?
[08:30] <pygi> Burgundavia, what exactly am I forking? I ain't forking cdrtools :P
[08:30] <Burgundavia> libburn?
[08:31] <pygi> Burgundavia, that's my upstream project, yes
[08:31] <Burgundavia> anyway
[08:31] <pygi> that has nothing to do with cdrtools/cdrkit 
[08:31] <Amaranth> oh, you're the fork of libburn they were talking about
[08:31] <pygi> Amaranth, who? what? why? no forks :P
[08:32] <Amaranth> pygi: in the cdrtools thread on debian-devel they said there was an original libburn and a forked version, the forked version started with 'py', i think
[08:33] <pygi> Amaranth, right :)
[08:33] <pygi> http://libburn.pykix.org
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I thought they filled the same niche
[08:33] <Amaranth> yeah, that's the forked one
[08:33] <Amaranth> is that yours?
[08:33] <pygi> yes, but that isn't fork :P
[08:33] <pygi> whatever :)
[08:33] <Burgundavia> regardless, it doesn't make sense for many forks/rewrites out there
[08:34] <pygi> Burgundavia, don't worry, I am in constant connection with debian folks anyway, doesn't matter that this isn't related :P
[08:34] <pygi> Burgundavia, oki, so libburn is library, cdrkit cdrecord fork isn't
[08:34] <pygi> cdrecord && mkisofs code is very bad, humans can't read it in any possible way :P
[08:35] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[08:35] <pygi> Amaranth, what? :)
[08:36] <Amaranth> cdrecord code
[08:50] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[08:51] <pygi> sbalneav, !!!
[08:51] <pygi> I need you, you have time?
[08:51] <sbalneav> Hey pygi
[08:52] <sbalneav> Yep, sure do
[08:52] <pygi> sbalneav, so have you sorted that iscsi suggestions mess? :P
[08:52] <sbalneav> Not yet, no.  I was working on more localdev stuff this weekend.
[08:53] <pygi> sbalneav, oki, please sort out what we should use pls :)
[08:53] <sbalneav> Alright, I'll try to do some thinking on it today.
[08:54] <pygi> sbalneav, thanks
[09:06] <pygi> sbalneav, once we should start writing spec
[09:45] <sbalneav> Hm!
[09:46] <sbalneav> I can't seem to <ctrl><alt><f1> to another vty with eft-2
[09:46] <sbalneav> On a thin client.
[09:46] <sbalneav> Makes it hard to debug :(
[10:40] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:41] <LaserJock> nice blog post
[10:41] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[10:41] <cbx33> thanks
[10:41] <cbx33> how are you?
[10:43] <TeePOG> good evening
[10:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: fine
[10:45] <cbx33> good good
[11:36] <TeePOG> can anyone please tell me which usergroup[s]  a user has to belong to, in order to login over the terminal server?
[11:37] <LaserJock> TeePOG: I don't think it takes a usergroup
[11:37] <LaserJock> oh wait, nvm, I don't really know
[11:37] <LaserJock> I was thinking you were saying ssh rather than LTSP
[11:37] <TeePOG> well, on my own username [created during installation]  i can login, but any other users i've created since, it does nothing
[11:38] <TeePOG> oh ok LaserJock