[12:19] LaserJock: working on an alacarte release [12:19] Amaranth: ah === BoneHead [n=Carl@ppp-70-243-255-227.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] what would cause a ide_intr: huh? expected NULL when trying to boot to the livecd? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.59] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === rjian432 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian432 is now known as rjian [03:46] Hello [03:47] hi bddebian [03:48] Heya LaserJock [03:50] hey bddebian, LaserJock [03:50] hi Corey [03:51] Hi Burgundavia [03:51] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000052.html [03:53] Burgundavia: Nice [03:54] another week done === Burgundavia is tired [04:25] whatever happened to safety boat? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:45] Evening all === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === DrkLrd [n=DrkLrd@59.93.255.189] has joined #edubuntu [05:40] RichEd, ping === DrkLrd is now known as ajayc === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu === ogra__ [n=ogra@p548AD482.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === rjian762 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian762 is now known as rjian === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === cbx333 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:29] cbx33: wb [08:29] heh [08:29] I'm off again now [08:29] bbs [08:38] hi hi === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:48] hey highvoltage [09:48] cbx33: having fun with pessulus? [09:50] hey Burgundavia === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:54] Burgundavia: yeh [09:54] evenmore fun now [09:54] I've noticed a problem [09:54] but I've made an ugly hack [09:55] when editing keys, for a different user, it saves them as root [09:55] with permission 700 [09:55] grrrr [09:57] right, that is fun [09:58] so I added a subprocess to chown themall back to the user after its finished [09:58] that's the ugly hack [10:04] but at the moment I can't see a way round it [10:05] well, pessulus should be able to edit any users keys [10:06] hi cbx33 hello Burgundavia [10:06] cbx33: what time did we agree today ? [10:07] RichEd: well [10:07] I'm free whenever you are [10:07] like from now [10:07] it's first day back at aschool [10:07] so pretty hectic [10:07] but they are all in a meeting now [10:07] so it's prety quiet [10:07] I need to dig though mail ... some from the boss man need attention ... [10:07] ok [10:07] just gimme a shout dude ! [10:08] I'm tryng to set up a meeting with Jonon Bacon ... [10:08] Burgundavia: well, it needs to for pessulus ! [10:08] sorry [10:08] for SCP [10:08] RichEd: excellent [10:09] cbx33: jono & I will probably do 1:00 pm your time ... [10:09] so can we aim for 2:00 pm your time for you & me ? [10:09] um.... [10:09] 2pm... [10:09] should be good [10:09] my time [10:10] 5 hours away? [10:10] Burgundavia: SCP has the ability to lockdown a specific user, and so I need the ability to edit their keys [10:10] yep [10:10] I'll try to mail charles masters as well before that. [10:10] I'm patching pessulus in association with vuntz [10:10] yep [10:10] RichEd: cool [10:11] but it's proving to give me the same problem as just running it as another user which is what I did ogirnally through sux ! [10:11] but sux doesn't work on LTSP [10:11] I hope vuntz/ogra/pitti will approve the chowning plan [10:11] as it's the only way I can see to get it to work === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEEF24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] cbx33: you need a better hackergotchi [10:40] hey ogra [10:41] hi [10:41] hi ogra [10:41] Burgundavia: you don;t like it ? :( [10:41] it is not in the [10:41] "Planet style" [10:41] bloody keyboard, with the bloody shift too near the bloody enter [10:42] sorry Burgundavia [10:42] I'll get it fixed [10:42] Ubuntu-Demon has a weird one too [10:42] cbx33: don't apologize [10:42] I would love for him to change it [10:42] i don;t like my whole face though :p [10:42] ogra: had an interesting development on the whole pessulus front [10:42] if you have a secI'd love to bring you up to speed === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.93.196.174] has joined #edubuntu [11:58] ping ogra, vuntz has given me the go ahead to repackage and apply the patch to pessulus [11:58] once I have it complete, seeing as he'll be really busy with gnome for the wednesday release [11:58] cool, prepare a package and i'll upload it [11:59] ogra: I've had to do a bit of an ugly hack [12:00] if vubtz is fien with it thats ok for me [12:00] pessulus is great but still ended up with the same problem as before, the gconf files it created were owned by root [12:00] *vuntz [12:00] and chmodded to 700 [12:00] so the normal user couldn't read them [12:00] to pessulus, upon completing the gconfwrite chowns it [12:00] as it's root it's able to [12:01] vuntz said it's not ideal but it's an acceptable solution [12:01] ok [12:01] i know sabayon does some file copying [12:01] probably for the same reason [12:01] so SCP, should be ready to go tonight from my end [12:01] the only thing we're lacking is VNC at the mo [12:02] i'll try to find some time by the end of the week for that ... but no promises [12:02] ok [12:02] I'll do my best to sort somthing out [12:02] cbx33: sabayon creates a zip that is then pulled down by the user [12:02] but I'm pretty pushed for time at the mo [12:03] same here ... [12:03] Burgundavia: yeh, thought it must do something [12:03] ogra: I know [12:03] I understand [12:10] has the spec actually been approved yet? [12:10] mdz is still on vacation ... [12:12] :S === highvoltage didn't know robots go on vacadtion [12:13] *vacation [12:13] well, mdz does sing better than most robots === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === neenaoffline [n=neenaoff@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] RichEd: ping? [01:36] hi jsgotangco in a meeting with jono ... open dialogue and write your message ... i'll flip over when space permits [01:36] sure [01:37] RichEd: just want to tell you I started today but nothing much exciting happened but will do so in the coming days === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [02:08] cbx33 : jello jello ? ping ping ? [02:09] pingpong [02:09] hi RichEd [02:10] sorry [02:10] jello jello pong pong [02:11] no problem ... how are you looking ... busy busy or 30 mins to chat & think ? [02:12] yeh I'm cool to chat [02:12] okay ... give me 5 ... then look out for a window [02:12] I can see 2 windows already [02:12] more than I had in my old office === RichEd advises cbx33 to stop with the drinking already ... [02:13] heheh [02:13] But good news ... had a great chat right now with Jono Bacon ... [02:13] excellent [02:13] He does not need to have his arm twisted to help with Education ... [02:13] heheh [02:14] The man has been thinking and plotting as part of his personal passion ... and is looking for an outlet for that energy. [02:14] w00t [02:15] And brings some good education contacts ... for the past 3 years, the client base that he's been consulting and advising to has included schools and education departments [02:15] so it is real world and not speculative. === RichEd is very excited [02:16] that is excellent [02:16] culd tie into what we talked about before [02:16] correction, that is most excellent [02:17] everything is connected [02:17] how does fabulous grab you? [02:17] The Grand Unified Theory of Everything is certainly not based on proprietary software. [02:17] :) [02:18] hehehe [02:18] 1 phone call and then I am ready cbx33 [02:18] nice [02:18] I'm just munching so I'm ready whenever === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [02:19] hey rodarvus [02:19] hi cbx331 [02:19] ! [02:19] :) [02:20] hehe [02:20] rodarvus: I think I pretty much solved the SCP Pessulus problem [02:20] we're good to go [02:20] nice! [02:20] just VNC to do and we're finished [02:20] what did you had to do? [02:20] hi rodarvus : got time to read an email over a coffee ? mobile eductation ? [02:21] sure, please send it to me [02:21] rodarvus: well I had to make a bit of an ugly hack [02:22] seeing as the gconf functions in glib only write files in engine mode, with root as the owner [02:22] so I've had to get pessulus to chown the files after it completes [02:22] vuntz and ogra are ok with it, so...I am too ! [02:23] heh :) [02:23] rodarvus: I'm not quite sure what is left to do on VNC, but I told ogra I'd have a look [02:24] I don't think vnc is supposed to be something hard - probably just making sure it runs securely (ie, with some basic authentication, etc) [02:24] might be somewhat of a challenge, though [02:24] yes [02:24] yeh [02:24] it may been some modificatio to the x11vnc pacakge ogra said [02:25] brb 2 mins RichEd [02:25] it needs to get an initscript and needs to read a password dynamically ... [02:26] additionally we need to determine the best compression options to transfer an 800x600@16 screen [02:26] ogra, would you recommend that to be done on an extra -ltsp package, or on the x11vnc package itself? [02:26] in the x11vnc package ... [02:26] ogra, oh, I can help with that part === rodarvus hacked vnc sources for a while in the past [02:27] make the initscript silently die if /etc/ltsp_chroot doesnt exists [02:27] so we make sure that mode runs only on ltsp clients [02:27] chosing the appropriate vnc protocol features is a matter of latency and processor speed === ogra smiles at his first selected xfce session started by the new session selector in ldm :) [02:28] :) [02:28] Hooray! [02:28] rodarvus: you gem [02:28] rodarvus, yep, but we need defaults for the start ... [02:28] ogra, indeed [02:28] think we can get VNC working for FF? [02:28] i think ogra said it's 90% done on the SCP side didn't you? [02:28] yes [02:28] try it [02:28] just need to read the passwords [02:29] am I right? [02:29] cbx33, that should be reasonably easy if you have 4-6 hours to spare (at most, I think) [02:29] (it has its rough edges ... and surely needs to be ported to a proper subprocess implementation) [02:29] rodarvus: cool [02:29] i likely used popen or something similar evil [02:29] hang on if I have 4-6 hours ? ;) [02:29] ogra: you naughty chap ! [02:29] brb [02:30] well, its faster ;) [02:30] hmm, the .dmrc part wont work for ldm ... [02:30] at least not easy [02:31] WOAH === ogra is able to use composite in xfce [02:32] on a thin client! [02:32] really? [02:32] ogra: you shouldn't have said that out loud, now people will *pest* you for howtos and support :-P [02:32] i'm not sure its not only using fake composition ... and the client has 128M and 533MHz [02:33] well, i just checked the checkbox in the settings manager [02:33] thats all for the howto ;) [02:33] woah [02:33] even opacity works [02:34] well, sloppy focus gets a bit slow with it ... === highvoltage thinks it's probably real [02:36] hey guys how are you all doing? [02:36] busy as hell :) [02:36] oh me too :/ [02:36] ogra, Composition is only dependant on the video driver you are using [02:37] but should be bearing big fruits soon [02:37] if it supports it, you should be all set :) === cbx333 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:37] hi RichEd sorry [02:37] i'll be back asap [02:37] rodarvus, thats the funny stiff a) i dont have access to /dev/dri/* on the client and b) i'm using a non 3D card on the client [02:37] *stuff [02:37] no problem .. sending an email to ogra ... ping when back [02:38] i think its faked ... but impressingly fast for that [02:38] ogra: oh, this is unexpected, then :) [02:39] how come you don't have access to /dev/dri on the client? [02:39] because the session is running on the server :) [02:39] so a compositing manager would only have access to /dev/dri on the server ... [02:39] ogra: WOW composite in a thin client [02:39] right, but there is a kernel and a X server running on the client, isn' it? [02:40] sure [02:40] ogra: is this on XFCE? [02:40] sorry I just read above [02:40] WOW [02:40] but doesnt the compositing manager need the direct access ? [02:40] (i mean thats what DRI stands for, doesnt it ?) [02:40] it needs the Composite extension, which runs on the client [02:40] ping RichEd [02:40] rodarvus, ah, as an x module ... right [02:41] ogra, are you sure this thin client doesn't have the Composite extention? it could have, if its stuff from 3-4 to now [02:41] well, the chroot is a week old or so ... 7.1 should be installed ... [02:42] but i have a slight keyboard prob here and cant switch to console to check logs :/ [02:42] yeah, I know that :) I was asking about the video board you have on this thin client [02:42] cbx33: thank you for the mention in your blog, the pleasure is mine ;) [02:42] i think trident cyberblade or something like that [02:43] nothing with nifty 3D features, there i'm sure [02:43] jsgotangco: you deserve it :p [02:45] hmm the restart/shutdown buttons apprea slightly evil in xfce ... [02:45] *appear [02:45] ogra, actually, the Composite extension is not 3D. you just need acceleration support (via either XAA or EXA) implemented on the video driver, and a few extra hooks to support Composite, on this same driver [02:46] ah [02:46] XAA should be there [02:46] ahh cool rodarvus [02:47] its more about if your driver is well supported on X.Org ;) [02:47] ogra: is getting xfce running easy [02:48] installing xfce4-session xfdesktop4 xfwm4 was al i did ... [02:48] *all [02:48] hi ogra ... I've sent the Edulinux email ... Can we make a time for Wednesday to dig deeper ? ... You can suggest a time via email. [02:49] before or after the edubuntu meeting i'D say [02:49] its an EC meeting so if we have applicants it might be a longer one ... [02:51] before then ... say at the top of the hour 11:00 UTC ? [02:51] sounds fine [02:52] oh shute [02:52] I have minutes to do for the last two weeks [02:52] I said I'd never let that happen again [02:52] damn pessulus and SCP [02:57] cbx33, slacker :) [02:57] :( === cbx33 cries === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-220-233.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] hmm, right, composite and firefox scrolling dont really like each other :) [03:31] gets pretty slow ... === Cadet [n=Cadet@user-54425c74.l5.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] :( === ogra [n=ogra@p548AD482.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Afief [i=Afief@89-138-33-207.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #edubuntu === Afief [i=Afief@89-138-33-207.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #edubuntu [] === capt_kirk [n=chatzill@212.165.164.244] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] Hi all. Newbie question on LTSP server. I have it all up and running with a server and two thin clients in a test suite. (Nice distro, by the way!) [04:19] The problem is that the clients or the server "forget" how to do the graphical login after a while. [04:20] They always get an IP address from dhcpd and show the Ubuntu splash, but when it should get the gdm-like login, it goes to a tty screen [04:20] If I reboot the server, all is fine again for a while and I can login from the thin clients, but then after a while they forget again. === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-152-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] It seems like a timer is expiring, but I can't think what it would be. [04:21] capt_kirk: I have experienced that too [04:21] no, its a bug [04:21] It's not dhcpd, because they're getting the kernel. And I don't think it's sshd [04:21] ogra: ahhh [04:21] ahh. is it documented? [04:21] is it fixable? [04:21] check if you have the graphica login if you hit alt-f7 after booting [04:22] I'll be happy to document it if it's not, but I didn't want to enter a bug without checking here. === cbx33 is going to make a "tired of paying for you software" poster for his office [04:22] LD [04:22] lol [04:22] Hopefully I can give out some more CD's [04:22] ogra, I didn't see one that looked like it in the bug list, but I may have missed it. [04:22] might be that ther is no bug filed yet [04:23] I'm curious guys...on the side of my box when it arrived were the product codes for edubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu CD's [04:23] and also one for stickers [04:23] its a usplash problem with the login manager [04:23] but I also saw some other product codes.... [04:23] anyone know what those items are ? [04:23] ogra, thanks will check for alt-f7. [04:23] usplash needs to be down before the login manager starts up [04:23] on slow client that somethimes fails ... [04:23] ogra: can we put a wait/check in there? [04:23] no, doesnt work [04:24] ogra: ahh, yeah, they're fairly slow clients [04:24] is usplash a process? [04:24] but you can enable sound as a workaround... that somehow makes it magically go away [04:24] or is it pre init? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] hahah [04:24] although not too slow. celeron 1.2 GHz [04:24] whoa [04:24] only 128 MB RAM === jsgotangco just played with upstart [04:24] capt_kirk: mine are about the same benchmark [04:24] upstart? [04:24] jsgotangco, and did it wipe your HD yet ? :P [04:25] cbx33: you haven't been reading Keybuk's blogs aren't you ;) [04:25] is it on planet? [04:25] yep === cbx33 checks :p [04:25] ogra: I have sound enabled in lts.conf, is that the right way to try it? [04:25] its very very crackful [04:25] but read it on the fridge rather [04:25] capt_kirk, yes [04:25] thanks. [04:25] but first check if its really that with the alt-f7 check [04:26] ogra: why so? [04:26] if it zones out on you, you won't know what hit you [04:26] cbx33, its impressing that you missed it ... it was on all german online media at least :) [04:26] it doesn't do its magic on my system. let me go over to the lab to see if alt-f7 work. I'll log back in from there. [04:26] alright alright... === cbx33 is dumb :p [04:26] nah [04:26] heheh [04:26] just to busy ;) [04:26] true === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:26] impressive that we may have VNC working [04:27] i would have missed it too if i wouldnt work closely with keybuk [04:27] we could get that entire spec completed [04:27] its something that you can say "earth-shaking" === ogra doesnt ave much time to read online news [04:27] (not even planet) === cbx33 reads planet and that's about it [04:28] meh just use rss feeder [04:28] i just look at entries that fancies me [04:28] it just so happened keybuk has been writing some great stuff lately [04:29] lately ? [04:29] he always writes great stuff :) [04:29] (code i mean) [04:29] hehehe [04:29] so upstart does???? [04:29] replace init and sysvinit [04:30] ooooh [04:30] WOW [04:30] its pretty scary [04:30] yeh [04:30] like i said, its earth-shaking [04:30] totally [04:30] but seems to work [04:30] I guess I should take more time to see what's going on :( [04:30] it replaces a grand 3+ decades of work [04:30] yep [04:30] *bah* - I need a new job [04:30] but i fear ltsp will suffer hard from it in edgy [04:31] i bet [04:31] how so? [04:31] since i wont have the time to fix every breakage caused by it [04:31] ah [04:31] is it going into edgy then? [04:31] we remove a ton of startup links for services [04:31] (in ltsp) [04:31] :S [04:31] i'm not yet sure upstart wil respect that [04:32] :( [04:32] that could give us a 2 minute boot or longer ... [04:33] its already in edgy (in universe) [04:34] but there's a roadmap [04:34] we'll probably just see it sooner than we think [04:34] it'll make all ubuntu books obsolete bwahaha [04:36] :S [04:36] very earth shattering === cbx33 will one day write something eather shattering.... - (I hope) [04:37] s/eather/earth [04:45] it's just having the time [04:55] I'm using upstart on my laptop, boots quite quickly already [04:55] (and outputs no message during boot, creepy) [04:55] ogra, otoh, upstart is meant to be a non-instrusive replacement for sysvinit for edgy [04:55] and if it doesn't, its a bug. [04:55] heheh [04:55] bbl guys [05:02] anyhow im not using it yet, i dont have enough machines === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === nai [n=nai@58.69.176.249] has joined #edubuntu [05:36] i find this weird... when im using the live cd of edubuntu on my laptop the internet works without doing anything but when i finally installed it the net wont totally work. im really new to linux [05:39] anyone who can help? [05:43] nai: what sort of net connection do you have ? [05:44] dsl.... it seems that the ethernet card is not detected....its a pcmcia === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] ogra, my excellent patch won't work [05:45] :( [05:47] as they are written afterwards [05:47] nai: why don't you try #ubuntu [05:47] nai: we don't have DSL at our place much :( [05:47] nai: India [05:49] ic... well thanks for your effort [05:49] though is it possible that you know how will my ethernet card be detected as eth0 not lo === capt_kirk [n=chatzill@212.165.164.244] has joined #edubuntu [05:55] cbx33: The alt-f7 trick worked for me. I was able to restore the graphical login on the thin client with it. I'll watch for ogra and feed that back to him. [05:56] ok [05:56] neena: can you show me how do i determine what drivers are loaded for a specific device...? because when i use the live cd it can detect my lancard but when i boot using the installed one it cant detect it so i will try to figure it out with the live cd configurtion [05:56] i'll be here probably most of the evening, so I can feed it back if you go [05:56] thanks. [06:00] second newbie question, I'm trying to plan how I'll manage users across three or four labs (with a LTSP server in each lab due to number of computers and distance between labs). Same users. I'd like to only create them once and let them have one /home/user/ folder that is accessible from all of the labs. I've done a quick look, but haven't found documentation on how to easily do that with... [06:00] ...Edubuntu. Is there an easy solution documented that someone could point me to? Thanks. [06:03]