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| mpool | ddaa: hi, here? | 11:01 |
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| ddaa | Hello | 11:01 |
| ddaa | https://launchpad.canonical.com/BazaarMeetingAgenda | 11:02 |
| mpool | hm, so? | 11:04 |
| ddaa | Meeting in 54 minutes | 11:06 |
| mpool | really? | 11:06 |
| ddaa | Well, like every week... | 11:06 |
| mpool | oh, i used to have another one at 7 | 11:06 |
| mpool | ok, see you then | 11:06 |
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| ddaa | Yay | 12:00 |
| ddaa | MEETING STARTS | 12:00 |
| ddaa | This is the launchpad-bazaar meeting, so there are more branches for use bazaar monkeys to hang about | 12:01 |
| ddaa | == Agenda == | 12:01 |
| ddaa | Next meeting 2006-09-11, 10:00 UTC. | 12:01 |
| ddaa | mpool will be on leave. | 12:01 |
| ddaa | Say bzzzt if that does not fit. | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * roll call | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * production status | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * invalid branches | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * smart server | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * advertising | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * vcs-import knits | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * release finder | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * Python import | 12:01 |
| mpool | ddaa: both next week and the following week | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * bzr lp:// | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * 1.0 targets | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * critical bugs | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * pending sysadmin tasks | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * proritizing important tasks | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * any other business | 12:01 |
| ddaa | == Roll call == | 12:02 |
| ddaa | Spiv is on leave until September 10th. | 12:02 |
| SteveA | length of meeting is? | 12:02 |
| SteveA | (in minutes) | 12:02 |
| ddaa | 45 mins | 12:02 |
| SteveA | ok | 12:02 |
| jamesh | I'm here. | 12:02 |
| SteveA | i'm here | 12:02 |
| lifeless | my fingers are here | 12:02 |
| ddaa | good enough | 12:02 |
| ddaa | == Prodution status == | 12:02 |
| ddaa | Early last week, abnormally long delay for mirroring sftp branches were reported. It was caused by a routing issue on escudero that caused time-outs for all vcs-imports branches. | 12:02 |
| ddaa | Once escudero was restored, normal service resumed. | 12:02 |
| ddaa | A discussion is in progress (CC Launchpad mailing list) on how to rearchiture the branch puller to minimize latency in a future-proof way. | 12:02 |
| ddaa | I'm having trouble understanding lifeless' last email, but that's off-topic for this meeting. | 12:03 |
| ddaa | == Invalid branches == | 12:04 |
| ddaa | Last week actions: | 12:04 |
| ddaa | * ddaa to bother jelmer about the bzr-svn bug | 12:04 |
| ddaa | * ddaa and lifeless to discuss bzrlib data validation. Not done. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | Following up on last week. I ack bzr should prevent bad data from getting in, but since shit happens, the supermirror should be able to recover without needing administrator intervention. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | I'm not too sure about how to do that. Does somebody has a plan and want to start the discussion? | 12:04 |
| ddaa | I do not think I got it across to jelmer last week. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | lifeless and I did not have that discussion. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | jamesh: lifeless: any clue about "supermirror recovery from invalid data"? | 12:05 |
| lifeless | ddaa: like I said, I dont think there is a discussion to have | 12:05 |
| SteveA | is it a problem that is happening right now? | 12:05 |
| lifeless | I thought you had changed that as per the discussion we had *in last weeks meeting* | 12:05 |
| jamesh | ddaa: can the puller overwrite the invalid branch? | 12:06 |
| ddaa | jamesh: I do not expect so, that's the issue | 12:06 |
| ddaa | ACTION: ddaa to email to explain what he sees as a problem, since apparently it's not obvious | 12:06 |
| SteveA | if the problem is not occuring right now... | 12:06 |
| ddaa | SteveA: it's occuring right now | 12:06 |
| ddaa | let's move on | 12:07 |
| jamesh | ddaa: ideally we'd handle it in the same way as a branch format change: blow away the mirror and start again. The question is whether we can differentiate between invalid data and bzrlib bugs | 12:07 |
| SteveA | how much is it occuring? | 12:07 |
| ddaa | SteveA: all samba branches produced by bzr-svn | 12:07 |
| jamesh | (i.e. do we get a specific exception or random failures inside bzrlib?) | 12:07 |
| ddaa | potentially random failures, although this specific problem causes a BzrError. | 12:07 |
| ddaa | == Smart server == | 12:08 |
| ddaa | Last week spiv said: lifeless & mpool & I will be meeting in person tomorrow to continue work on the smart server. lifeless has figured out some good goals w.r.t. supermirror integration and HTTP integration that's the next step. | 12:08 |
| ddaa | mpool: status? | 12:08 |
| mpool | we did meet, | 12:08 |
| mpool | lifeless: what was the last status you had from spiv before he left? | 12:09 |
| lifeless | he was part way through splitting those branches | 12:09 |
| lifeless | I hope/imagine he has pushed his current set to chinstrap/sodium | 12:09 |
| mpool | i hope we can merge at least part of it for 0.11, and have andrew merge the corresponding bits to the supermirror when he gets back | 12:10 |
| mpool | i'm not sure if this is realistiic | 12:10 |
| lifeless | hes back with a week to spare for 0.11 | 12:11 |
| lifeless | some at least will land, I'm sure of it | 12:11 |
| ddaa | Do you think it's still on track for deployment before october 8th? | 12:12 |
| mpool | ddaa: not as much slack as i would like, but possible | 12:12 |
| ddaa | (I think that's the Launchpad 1.0 time) | 12:12 |
| lifeless | Full smart server deployment, no | 12:12 |
| ddaa | lifeless: as opposed to what? | 12:12 |
| lifeless | we're aiming for the RPC transport deployed into both the hosting and mirror environments | 12:12 |
| ddaa | I'm not clear on what is "full deployment" as opposed to "core support" | 12:12 |
| lifeless | the smart server will be a launchpad-code-free addition on top of that as it goes into bzr | 12:13 |
| ddaa | lifeless: so you mean that the smart server may be used for the publishing side, but the hosting side will be post 1.0? | 12:14 |
| lifeless | no | 12:14 |
| mpool | ddaa: i think we mean | 12:14 |
| mpool | all the launchpad-specific code will be done by then (dog willing) | 12:14 |
| mpool | but it need more pulls from bzrlib to be really exciting | 12:14 |
| ddaa | what is the risk level of those "extra pulls", is that just some tuning that needs to go through review and merge, or is there some tricky outstanding issues? | 12:15 |
| mpool | ddaa: where are you driving with these questions? | 12:16 |
| === lifeless up the wall | ||
| lifeless | sorry, thats *what* | 12:16 |
| mpool | heh | 12:16 |
| ddaa | trying to get a hang on the progress and Lauchpad 1.0 target delivery, since it seems I'm the one reporting on that | 12:16 |
| ddaa | and it's all very fuzzy to me | 12:16 |
| ddaa | but maybe it's a pointless excercice since it will be done when it's done and there is not anything we can do to make it happen faster | 12:17 |
| mpool | ok, so let's say it's likely we will have approximately alpha-level smart server support fielded by that date | 12:17 |
| mpool | the additional work in bzr will be to speed it up by doing higher-level operations | 12:18 |
| SteveA | i'm keen to be running a smart-server on the supermirror soon, even if it provides no benefit over regular sftp | 12:18 |
| mpool | it is not risky in an architectural sense, i am confident it will go according to plan | 12:18 |
| SteveA | so that we will know about how it works practically | 12:18 |
| mpool | SteveA: right, that's what we're aiming for first | 12:18 |
| mpool | right | 12:18 |
| mpool | and also to shake out any lp integration issues | 12:18 |
| lifeless | SteveA: thats exactly what we've mapped out | 12:18 |
| SteveA | and we can then add extra commands/calls or whatever you call it | 12:18 |
| mpool | i think we should get spiv on that as soon as we can when he returngs | 12:18 |
| lifeless | mpool: hes already on it | 12:19 |
| SteveA | later to incrementally improve it | 12:19 |
| mpool | cool | 12:19 |
| mpool | so can we call that closed? | 12:19 |
| lifeless | SteveA: yes exactly | 12:19 |
| ddaa | Yup. I feel enlightened. | 12:19 |
| SteveA | the 1.0 goal should be to have the smart server in operation | 12:19 |
| lifeless | how about we talk about something that has not changed in the last week | 12:19 |
| SteveA | not that it actually buys users anything immediately# | 12:19 |
| ddaa | == Advertising == | 12:19 |
| ddaa | Last meeting actions: | 12:19 |
| ddaa | * spiv: blog about similarities between SVN and bzr checkouts, in relation to Launchpad. | 12:19 |
| ddaa | * ddaa: when rolled out, to blog about branch UI improvements. | 12:19 |
| ddaa | * unassigned: when rolled out, blog about --create-prefix not being needed anymore. | 12:19 |
| ddaa | spiv on vacation | 12:19 |
| ddaa | ddaa and unassigned, waiting on rollout | 12:20 |
| ddaa | moving on | 12:20 |
| mpool | ddaa: i think we need in the medium term to do something more than blog to communicate about this | 12:20 |
| ddaa | The blog thing appears to be working well enough for new. | 12:20 |
| ddaa | for *now* | 12:20 |
| mpool | how do you assess that? | 12:20 |
| jamesh | but how do people find these scattered howtos 6 months from now? | 12:21 |
| ddaa | mpool: I throw some chicken bones and read in them | 12:21 |
| jamesh | It'd be good to get them in a central location (or at least linked from a central location) | 12:21 |
| lifeless | any post should be put on bazaar-vcs.org/Welcome | 12:21 |
| lifeless | in the news area | 12:21 |
| mpool | they should be reachable from launchpad in an organized way | 12:21 |
| ddaa | yeah, we need something more structured, maybe like the Malone/Rosetta docs, and link from that. | 12:21 |
| mpool | lifeless: somethin g kg like that | 12:21 |
| jamesh | help.launchpad.net maybe? | 12:21 |
| mpool | we don't need to sort that out now | 12:21 |
| mpool | indeeed it may be good to seek UI opinions from Uman or mpt or similar folks about where to put it | 12:22 |
| ddaa | action for someone? | 12:22 |
| mpool | yes | 12:22 |
| mpool | SteveA: agree? who should do it? | 12:22 |
| SteveA | I'd like you or ddaa to put it on help.launchpad.net | 12:23 |
| ddaa | mh... since mpool is working on critical things like the smart server, it might be a better idea to use my time for that | 12:23 |
| mpool | ddaa: that would be great | 12:24 |
| ddaa | ACTION: ddaa to start compiling blog data on help.launchpad.net | 12:24 |
| SteveA | to start with, it's just a matter of making a page, linking it to the front page | 12:24 |
| ddaa | SteveA: happy to do no more than that, then :) | 12:24 |
| mpool | ddaa: actually, to *really* start with, just write a very small spec for how this is documented, and seek comments on hat | 12:24 |
| SteveA | I'd go the other way | 12:24 |
| ddaa | SteveA++ | 12:25 |
| SteveA | have a single place where we collect the documentation | 12:25 |
| mpool | SteveA: implement first, comments later? | 12:25 |
| SteveA | that is publicly accessible | 12:25 |
| SteveA | and then look for opportunities to better link it and put it on the bzr website or whatever | 12:25 |
| SteveA | but we need to have the resource before we can use it | 12:25 |
| ddaa | I like the idea of producing raw material as blog posts and integrate that material in a central place. | 12:25 |
| ddaa | but, hey, we have more critical stuff to do now | 12:26 |
| SteveA | and jamesh made a good point about how people find the articles N months from now | 12:26 |
| ddaa | Moving on? | 12:26 |
| SteveA | another option is having a "using bzr with launchpad" section on the bzr website | 12:26 |
| SteveA | done | 12:26 |
| ddaa | == vcs-imports knits == | 12:27 |
| ddaa | It appears that the outstanding bzr patches have been merged to bzr.dev, what's needed now is a bzr update on rocketfuel. | 12:27 |
| ddaa | lifeless: can you sync/cherrypick rocketfuel's bzr? | 12:27 |
| ddaa | The last outstanding patch is launchpad/import-batch-progress. Should the BatchProgress code be submitted to bzr upstream, or should it stay in Launchpad? | 12:27 |
| ddaa | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/david/launchpad/importd-batch-progress/full-diff | 12:27 |
| lifeless | we should just update to 0.10 | 12:27 |
| lifeless | which has been released | 12:27 |
| ddaa | lifeless: by all means | 12:27 |
| lifeless | that may or may not include all the patches | 12:27 |
| lifeless | I think it has 1 of them | 12:27 |
| lifeless | its also much faster than the current bzr we're running | 12:27 |
| ddaa | can you cherrypick the missing bits as well? | 12:28 |
| jamesh | might even protect us from Jelmer's branches :) | 12:28 |
| ddaa | performance is not our big issue ATM | 12:28 |
| lifeless | you have already applied the fix to our branch right ? | 12:28 |
| ddaa | lifeless: I cannot commit to rocketfuel's bzr | 12:29 |
| lifeless | ok | 12:29 |
| ddaa | I rolled out a custom branch to importd when deploying the knits conversion code | 12:29 |
| lifeless | I suggest just updating to stock bzr 0.10 and keeping your extra fix whereever it is now | 12:29 |
| lifeless | the second fix will be in 0.11 | 12:29 |
| lifeless | and AFAIK we've done all the knit conversions right | 12:29 |
| lifeless | ? | 12:29 |
| ddaa | lifeless: right, but it looks like there's a new upgrade to do soon. | 12:30 |
| lifeless | ddaa: ??? | 12:30 |
| ddaa | about root id | 12:30 |
| lifeless | 0.11 at the earliest | 12:30 |
| ddaa | okay, then it should be okay to temporarily regress on format converision support | 12:30 |
| lifeless | and as that will come in via bzr, I dont see that theres any relevance for these fixes to 'our bzrlib' - them being in the bzr that comes is is all thats needed | 12:31 |
| ddaa | the relevance is avoiding deploying custom bzr code to importd | 12:31 |
| ddaa | but I guess it's no longer necessary, as you point out | 12:31 |
| ddaa | What about the BatchProgress thing? | 12:31 |
| lifeless | what thing ? | 12:32 |
| ddaa | it's the Progress class that gives heartbeat output for buildbot | 12:32 |
| ddaa | Bah, let's move on. | 12:32 |
| lifeless | I dont know anything about that, other than you wrote it | 12:32 |
| ddaa | ACTION: ddaa sort out what to do with BatchProgress with lifeless and mpool | 12:32 |
| jamesh | (we're 2/3 the way through the meeting timeslot, btw) | 12:33 |
| ddaa | == Release finder == | 12:33 |
| ddaa | Last meeting action: | 12:33 |
| ddaa | * jamesh: report on Dyson full test run. | 12:33 |
| ddaa | yeah, we're running late :( | 12:33 |
| lifeless | less discussion, more yes/no. DeferToList | 12:33 |
| SteveA | meta: the thing to do here is either to agree to trip certain agenda points from the meeting, or agree with attendees for an extended meeting. | 12:34 |
| jamesh | It is definitely working better than before, but we got a new exception in the HTTP walker class when trying to read docbook.org indexes | 12:34 |
| SteveA | s/trip/strip/ | 12:34 |
| ddaa | SteveA: I can just speed up some status report items | 12:35 |
| jamesh | Looks like a simple mis-use of BeautifulSoup, so hopefully we'll have a better result next week | 12:35 |
| ddaa | okay, so still in the works, progress being made | 12:35 |
| jamesh | (I should be able to add tests for this failure pretty easily too) | 12:35 |
| ddaa | == Python import == | 12:35 |
| ddaa | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/56360 | 12:35 |
| ddaa | Was busy catching up, merging stuff and having design discussions via email. No progress on that. Need to decide on prioritization later this meeting. | 12:35 |
| lifeless | ya, I'm nagging on the release finder regularly ;) | 12:35 |
| ddaa | no need to discuss python import right now, later/post-meeting... | 12:35 |
| lifeless | didn't we have prioritisation discussions for it last week ? | 12:36 |
| SteveA | jamesh: note that I updated our BeautifulSoup in mainline launchpad | 12:36 |
| ddaa | == bzr lp:// == | 12:36 |
| ddaa | Last meeting action: | 12:36 |
| ddaa | * mpool: integrate comments to BranchIndirection | 12:36 |
| SteveA | ...to the latest release | 12:36 |
| ddaa | lifeless: not as such, as far as I recall | 12:36 |
| jamesh | SteveA: yeah. The way the code was using beautiful soup seemed to bypass the encoding detection, leading to problems with the non-ASCII page data | 12:36 |
| ddaa | I think that spec has not changed since last week. mpool, can you spend some time on that? (yes/no) | 12:37 |
| SteveA | jamesh: latest B.S. is stricter about unicode output | 12:37 |
| SteveA | ddaa: mpool, mark and I talked a little about this today | 12:37 |
| SteveA | mpool said he'd update the spec | 12:38 |
| ddaa | okay, see you next week about BranchIndirection | 12:38 |
| jamesh | SteveA: the p-r-f code is doing "soup = BeautifulSoup(); soup.feed(data)", which fails. Doing "soup = BeautifulSoup(data)" works. | 12:38 |
| ddaa | == 1.0 targets == | 12:38 |
| ddaa | [stripping some stuff that needs no discussion] | 12:38 |
| ddaa | bzr-roundtrip-svn: not for 1.0, but discussion is in progress on the bazaar-ng mailing list about how to make bzr-svn acceptable to importd. | 12:38 |
| ddaa | mpool: SteveA wanted to know what you were thinking of the general direction of this discussion. | 12:38 |
| mpool | i have not updated the BranchIndirection spec | 12:39 |
| SteveA | feeding a soup is not usually adding things to a soup, but rather consuming the soup | 12:39 |
| mpool | the roundtripping discussion seemed ok to me... | 12:39 |
| ddaa | == Critical bugs == | 12:40 |
| ddaa | [skipping that, simple status reporting, see the BazaarMeetingAgenda] | 12:40 |
| mpool | action: mbp: read up/tick off svn roundtripping discussion | 12:40 |
| lifeless | FWIW sivs latest work is missing stuff done thursday and friday | 12:40 |
| ddaa | mpool: that would be nice | 12:40 |
| ddaa | == Sysadmin tasks == | 12:41 |
| ddaa | [skipping that, see BazaarMeetingAgenda] | 12:41 |
| ddaa | == Prioritizing important tasks == | 12:41 |
| ddaa | There are several important new tasks competing for our time. Spiv is out being even more smart and serving than usual, so it's between jamesh and me. | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * Removing Arch support. Low risk, relatively large (est. 16h ddaa). 1.0 target. | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * Python import, currently bug 56360. High risk (may have other hidden blockers), unknown size (est. at least 6h, at most ???). | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * Bug 31308 (native productseries branch) Low risk, medium sized (est. 8h). | 12:41 |
| === SteveA wonders about having a "before you go on leave" wiki article... (1. mail people about outstanding work. 2. push all your branches...) | ||
| ddaa | To that, I would like to add: bug 34540 (cannot delete a branch) which I think is the largest remaining barrier to adoption of the branch registry. Just allowing to disable branches, without implementing garbage collection should be relatively simple. | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * Bug 34540 (cannot delete a branch). Low risk, medium sized (est. 8h). | 12:41 |
| ddaa | Since all those tasks look very important and urgent to me, I suggest: | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * ddaa: removing arch support and python import. | 12:41 |
| ddaa | * jamesh: productseries branch and deleting a branch. | 12:41 |
| ddaa | SteveA: what do you think? | 12:41 |
| ddaa | Okay, that's one item I want a decision on, but can be discussed post meeting (lifeless and mpool not really required for that) | 12:42 |
| jamesh | ddaa: I'm also working on automatic BugBranch link creation now, btw | 12:42 |
| SteveA | I'd like to see the python import set off, cos I want to see whether it will break and how. | 12:42 |
| ddaa | SteveA: IMO arch support removal takes priority as it's a 1.0 goal | 12:43 |
| SteveA | removing arch support doesn't cost us anything to delay a while | 12:43 |
| jamesh | "productseries branch" refers to switching to import_branch and user_branch, right? | 12:43 |
| ddaa | jamesh: yes | 12:43 |
| SteveA | ddaa: it doesn't buy us anything this week, but having a python import does | 12:43 |
| ddaa | SteveA: okay | 12:43 |
| lifeless | ddaa: removing arch support has been turned down by steve in the last 4-5 meetings I can recall | 12:43 |
| lifeless | ddaa: I'd really like it to stop being an agenda item, its wasting cycles | 12:44 |
| SteveA | ddaa proposed it as a task for him and tim p. to do together, which I rejected | 12:44 |
| SteveA | I think ddaa should do it, but I think it is better to do python first | 12:44 |
| SteveA | because it is estimated as less time | 12:44 |
| SteveA | and it has more overall benefit, imo | 12:44 |
| mpool | after that i'd like to suggest working on a firefox import | 12:45 |
| mpool | if there is not already one | 12:45 |
| mpool | they're looking at moving from cvs | 12:45 |
| mpool | SteveA: maybe you should add "before you go on leave" to the policies wiki? | 12:45 |
| lifeless | ok, piss-break before the review meeting | 12:45 |
| jamesh | mozilla/firefox makes heavy use of CVSROOT/modules aliases | 12:45 |
| ddaa | which is not really supported by importd | 12:45 |
| lifeless | mozilla will melt your brain | 12:45 |
| ddaa | anyway, that's offtopic for that discussion. | 12:46 |
| ddaa | SteveA: jamesh: I think native-branch-for-series and deleting-branch are more important than bug-branch stuff | 12:46 |
| ddaa | are they are important blockers in the existing system | 12:46 |
| ddaa | I'd like very much to see progress on those, but I do not think I will have the time soon. | 12:47 |
| SteveA | ddaa: let's talk about your priorities etc. later today | 12:47 |
| ddaa | Fine. | 12:47 |
| jamesh | I've only done some speccing for the bugbranch stuff, so I can easily move over to the productseries branch stuff | 12:47 |
| ddaa | == Any other business? == | 12:47 |
| ddaa | One minute to say "hey!". | 12:48 |
| mpool | hey! | 12:48 |
| mpool | two things | 12:48 |
| jamesh | I wouldn't mind some comments on https://launchpad.canonical.com/AutomaticBugBranchLinks after I flesh it out a bit more | 12:48 |
| mpool | firstly, everyone in this meeting should read the 32/Bazaar spec | 12:48 |
| mpool | https://wiki.canonical.com/32/Bazaar | 12:48 |
| mpool | ddaa, thanks for your commens | 12:49 |
| mpool | if you have not, please do so before next week | 12:49 |
| ddaa | jamesh: post to the LP mailing list CC key people when you've done the fleshing out | 12:49 |
| SteveA | ddaa: jamesh, mpool and lifeless and I had a meeting earlier today about getting jamesh to do some work on the bug-branch stuff and lp://// stuff. | 12:49 |
| mpool | secondly, following on from what you just mentioned | 12:49 |
| mpool | there are a few bzr-lp features we need to focus on | 12:49 |
| mpool | - launchpad-url | 12:49 |
| mpool | aka branch indirection | 12:50 |
| mpool | - redirecting from a branch page to branch content | 12:50 |
| mpool | - native branches for products, as you just mentioned | 12:50 |
| mpool | and bug-branch connections | 12:50 |
| mpool | many of these require both bzr and lp changes | 12:50 |
| mpool | i think jamesh owns bug-branch connections now, | 12:50 |
| mpool | how about the others? any comments on who's looking after them, or relative priority? | 12:51 |
| mpool | or whether they're for lp 1.0? | 12:51 |
| ddaa | my pet peeve ATM is branch-delete | 12:51 |
| ddaa | I really think it's an adoption blocker | 12:51 |
| SteveA | ddaa: i want to learn why you think that, but let's talk later today about it | 12:52 |
| jamesh | branch-delete may be in less demand when branch move/rename is available | 12:52 |
| mpool | not having any main branch for bzr is a peeve for me | 12:52 |
| jamesh | it is often a case of "I put the branch in the wrong place and now want it deleted" | 12:52 |
| ddaa | jamesh: certainly | 12:52 |
| mpool | ddaa, it sounded like you worked out with mark the changes that would be necessary to fix that, is that true? | 12:52 |
| ddaa | mpool: there was an email discussion between sabdfl and jamesh while I was on vacation | 12:53 |
| jamesh | mpool: ddaa proposed I look at this bug (see "productseries branch" earlier) | 12:53 |
| ddaa | sabdfl essentially approved the direction we are taking, without reservation, after a few explanations from jamesh | 12:53 |
| mpool | ok, so it's all good? not blocked? | 12:53 |
| ddaa | blocked on getting somebody to actually do it :) | 12:54 |
| ddaa | If jamesh can do it this week, I'm cool with that. Delete can wait another week or two. | 12:54 |
| ddaa | since it's not a technical prereq for anything else | 12:55 |
| mpool | ok, well, it's not for me to say who will do it | 12:55 |
| mpool | that's between you, stevea, jamesh & others | 12:55 |
| mpool | i just want to make sure it's flowing along | 12:55 |
| mpool | branch indirection is blocked on me fixing the spec | 12:56 |
| mpool | for example. | 12:56 |
| ddaa | Okay, I'll put it on the top of my "jamesh please" list :) | 12:56 |
| jamesh | okay | 12:56 |
| mpool | ok, how about redirecting from pages to brnahces? | 12:56 |
| SteveA | meta: should have agreed an extension to the meeting. | 12:56 |
| mpool | there are bugs open, i don't know their numbers. | 12:56 |
| === ddaa flogs himself | ||
| jamesh | setting the productseries branch is a prereq for a bunch of other stuff, so I'll try and get it sorted this week | 12:57 |
| jamesh | (e.g. the branch indirection spec) | 12:57 |
| mpool | jamesh: that's true; doing it soon would be great | 12:57 |
| mpool | good point | 12:57 |
| ddaa | mpool: I sugges that you revive the discussion that on the mailing list, so we can take the time to dig up the bugs etc. | 12:57 |
| mpool | ok | 12:57 |
| mpool | ok, that's all then | 12:57 |
| ddaa | MEETING CLOSED | 12:58 |
| SteveA | thanks david | 12:58 |
| ddaa | Thank you all for your attention. | 12:58 |
| ddaa | Sorry for being late. | 12:58 |
| SteveA | after the review meeting, i'll be going for some lunch | 12:58 |
| === ddaa will going for lunch now | ||
| SteveA | and when I get back, I'd like to talk with you about these tasks | 12:58 |
| ddaa | unless somebody wants to talk to me about something right now | 12:58 |
| === ddaa -> lunch | ||
| ddaa | SteveA: ping | 02:48 |
| SteveA | hi ddaa | 03:29 |
| SteveA | ddaa: ping | 03:35 |
| ddaa | was workraving | 03:36 |
| ddaa | SteveA: you wanted to talk about the tasks for the next weeks | 03:37 |
| ddaa | first, I'd like to talk meta-meeting | 03:38 |
| SteveA | ok | 03:38 |
| SteveA | shall we have a voice call? | 03:38 |
| ddaa | please no | 03:39 |
| SteveA | porquoi? | 03:39 |
| SteveA | ^u | 03:39 |
| ddaa | I have some distraction at home, between the kittens and the gf who is having a one week sick leave | 03:39 |
| SteveA | that's not really a good reason | 03:40 |
| ddaa | well okay | 03:40 |
| ddaa | let's have voice | 03:40 |
| SteveA | skype okay? | 03:40 |
| ddaa | should work | 03:41 |
| ddaa | or ekiga if you prefer, works okay here | 03:41 |
| SteveA | i've had not much success with ekiga | 03:42 |
| SteveA | probably need to change my router | 03:42 |
| SteveA | so, let's do skype today | 03:42 |
| SteveA | i'm running skyep | 03:43 |
| ddaa | setting up | 03:43 |
| SteveA | but i don't seem to have you listed at all in my addressbook | 03:43 |
| ddaa | david.allouche | 03:44 |
| ddaa | I cannot seem to get online for some reason... | 03:45 |
| ddaa | It seems I cannot get online. | 03:45 |
| SteveA | well | 03:47 |
| SteveA | i just tried adding you to my skype contacts | 03:47 |
| SteveA | and I get an error | 03:47 |
| SteveA | "david.allouche was added to your Contacts, even though the Skype Name was not found | 03:47 |
| SteveA | The Skye Name does not exist or this person has not been online for a long time" | 03:47 |
| ddaa | I got online like a couple of moths ago | 03:48 |
| ddaa | but it does not work now | 03:48 |
| ddaa | let's try ekiga | 03:48 |
| SteveA | after a few months, they remove your account | 03:49 |
| SteveA | i'm running ekiga now | 03:50 |
| ddaa | one minute please | 03:50 |
| SteveA | https://wiki.canonical.com/VOIP/Extensions | 03:50 |
| ddaa | bingo, she got angry at me because I wanted to be alone for the call | 03:52 |
| ddaa | oops | 04:22 |
| SteveA | what happen? | 04:22 |
| SteveA | someone set up us the bomb? | 04:22 |
| ddaa | sound got scrambled, I reset the connection | 04:22 |
| SteveA | ok, i just hung up | 04:23 |
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