| ne78 | mjg59: i disable offscreen pixmaps manually, but still doesn't work here (with the debian xserver-xorg), it would be great if what you say is true, it would mean that debian could have a working compiz now | 12:09 |
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| ne78 | mjg59: what about the patches from (1:1.1.1-0ubuntu5) 7 Aug 2006 17:21:05 -0300 ? | 12:12 |
| mjg59 | What about them? | 12:15 |
| mjg59 | I still don't know what problem you're having | 12:15 |
| ne78 | mjg59: i think it works because of them | 12:16 |
| ne78 | mjg59: it's nice to see that ubuntu is more up to date than debian sid | 12:17 |
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| zul | hey keybuk | 12:20 |
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| ne78 | Keybuk: are you the upstart developper ? | 12:21 |
| Keybuk | zul: heyhey | 12:21 |
| Keybuk | ne78: yeah | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Burgundavia: pong | 12:22 |
| Burgundavia | Riddell: I was going to ask you about SoC stuff, but I found what I needed | 12:22 |
| ne78 | Keybuk: it's great project, i've been following the init replacements lately init-ng,launchd etc.., upstart seem to be really the way to go | 12:23 |
| mjg59 | ne78: No, it works without them | 12:23 |
| ne78 | Keybuk: did you noticed that the html mailman archive display some mail in base64 format on lists.netsplit.com ? | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | ne78: yeah, no idea why *shrug* mailman bug I guess | 12:25 |
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| ne78 | mjg59: if you say so. So what is needed plain xorg 7.1, what version of mesa is needed ? | 12:27 |
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| mjg59 | Whichever version of mesa is needed for the swrast code to build | 12:28 |
| mjg59 | Probably recentish CVS, though 6.5.1 might be enough | 12:29 |
| ne78 | mjg59: thanks for the info, i'll retry tommorow to see if it can be done with the current packages of debian sid | 12:34 |
| kristog | Keybuk: did you see #52922 | 12:35 |
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| Keybuk | bug #52922 | 12:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52922 in network-manager "libnm-util0 for network-manager on ppc does not work with wpa passphrases" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52922 | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | no, I didn't see that bug | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | but I'm aware of it | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | I've heard dups, and I'm sure we patched it *shrug* | 12:40 |
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| kristog | Keybuk: no idea, didn't look in the ubuntu patches i've attached the debian patch | 12:40 |
| kristog | witch will fix it, don't use the upstream one reported in the bug since it's useless | 12:41 |
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| Keybuk | ok, well, the bug looks fine | 12:41 |
| kristog | which* | 12:41 |
| kristog | (cool i wrote witch../me should not study macbeth at 00.42) | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | heh | 12:42 |
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| Keybuk | bug #58769 | 12:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58769 in network-manager "Gateway is never saved (edgy knot 2)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58769 | 12:46 |
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| Seveas | mjg59, ping | 12:54 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: Hi | 12:58 |
| Burgundavia | is there a good wiki page talking about how to test dapper-proposed ? | 12:58 |
| Seveas | mjg59, I don't know whether you've seen my mail from thursday, but I have some usplash patches for you (the things in that mail are implemented) | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: Ok, cool | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | I've been a bit busy this weekend, I'm afraid - at a wedding | 12:59 |
| Seveas | heh, that's much better than usplash hacking ;) | 12:59 |
| Seveas | all is in a branch on launchpad, every feature committed separately | 01:00 |
| Seveas | let me know if something needs fixing | 01:00 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 01:00 |
| Seveas | The only thing really missing is ppc support, I still don't have one of those and the apple store wouldn't let me use one for testing ;) | 01:00 |
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| gnomefreak | jdub: ping | 01:18 |
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| zakame | hello | 03:01 |
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| Keybuk | hello | 03:08 |
| zakame | hi Keybuk :) | 03:08 |
| jdong | there's mr broke-my-hal :) | 03:10 |
| jdong | j/k | 03:10 |
| zakame | lol, /me suddenly reminded of shallow hal | 03:11 |
| zakame | eerie, just watched that yesterday | 03:12 |
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| Keybuk | jdong: still don't understand that one | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | at least we know what broke it | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | I just don't understand why that would break it | 03:32 |
| jdong | yeah, it still confuses the heck out of me, too | 03:32 |
| jdong | I'd like to do a bit more testing to confirm that's the culprit | 03:32 |
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| jdong | brb :) | 03:33 |
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| jdong | Keybuk: you might be cleared of blame... I can't cause it to happen on my system now | 03:37 |
| jdong | the only difference between now and an hour ago were those few updates that landed in apt | 03:37 |
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| jdong | hmm | 03:37 |
| === jdong utterly confused | ||
| jdong | the only possibly related update would be dbus 0.92-1ubuntu2 | 03:38 |
| jdong | but the changelog entry is not too promising | 03:39 |
| slomo | jdong: nothing that could cause breakage changed there | 03:39 |
| jdong | slomo: I know :-/ | 03:39 |
| jdong | I seriously did nothing more than dist-upgrade, then apply the events.d change Keybuk suggested, and rebooted | 03:40 |
| jdong | maybe the 2nd reboot is the charm :D | 03:41 |
| slomo | what change was this? :) | 03:41 |
| slomo | i ask because i wanted to reboot with upstart now ;) | 03:41 |
| jdong | slomo: are you experiencing any dbus trouble? | 03:42 |
| slomo | nope | 03:42 |
| jdong | lucky you :) | 03:42 |
| slomo | which evil things does dbus do to you? ;) | 03:43 |
| jdong | slomo: bug 58165 | 03:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58165 in upstart "security policy error with hald after latest updates" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58165 | 03:43 |
| jdong | the event.d thing is in there too | 03:43 |
| jdong | you can read my rapid rambling :) | 03:43 |
| jdong | it certainly doesn't happen without the help of upstart | 03:44 |
| jdong | but right now I can't reproduce it on my latest edgy box | 03:44 |
| slomo | hm, i'll see what happens after reboot :) | 03:45 |
| slomo | brb | 03:45 |
| jdong | same here | 03:45 |
| jdong | brb | 03:45 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:46 |
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| jdong | well, it magically works now | 03:48 |
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| Burgundavia | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000052.html | 03:52 |
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| slomo | Keybuk: upstart is a bit unusable with initscripts that require user input ;) | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | jdong: you have "console output" in the event.d file? | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | slomo: I want to know how those were usable with usplash <g> | 03:54 |
| jdong | Keybuk: no, not on this box :-/ | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | jdong: and it's all working happily? | 03:54 |
| jdong | yeah... :-/ | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | heh | 03:55 |
| slomo | Keybuk: the initscript disabled usplash at the time it required input :P do you have any idea how this could be worked around with upstart? :) | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | what did apt update (/var/log/dpkg.log?) | 03:55 |
| jdong | Keybuk: I'm completely confused right now... when I get back home I'll try to straighten this one out | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | slomo: ah, we could grep for those and make them upstart jobs for edgy? | 03:55 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: thought -> why don't you guys use w3m/links to render the web page to text, so your text-only email looks nicer (and without all the moinisms)? | 03:55 |
| jdong | Keybuk: avahi, beagle, dbus | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: never really considered it. I need to do some thinking about general process tomorrow, so I will add that to the list | 03:56 |
| slomo | Keybuk: the only one i know about is cryptsetup... shall i file a bug about it and subscribe you? | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | slomo: I believe there is one for cryptsetup? | 03:58 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: do you have a link about that? is this how dwn does it? | 03:58 |
| jdong | Keybuk: hmm, you think avahi could've been screwing with dbus? | 03:58 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: another idea would be not to send out the text at all, merely a link to the moin page, ala Fedora | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | jdong: no, I think it's dbus | 03:58 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: not a link, but man w3m/links/lynx/html2text etc will help | 03:59 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: also, you could send u-n as both html and text | 03:59 |
| Burgundavia | another idea | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | jdong: what version of dbus did you have before? | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | can you 'grep "upgrade dbus" /var/log/dpkg.log' for me ? | 04:00 |
| slomo | Keybuk: i can't find a bug... not on upstart and not on cryptsetup | 04:00 |
| jdong | keybuk: upgrade dbus 0.92-1ubuntu1 0.92-1ubuntu2 | 04:00 |
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| Keybuk | jdong: the changelog isn't revealing, I agree | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | what happens if you downgrade it to 1ubuntu1 again | 04:01 |
| Keybuk | does it break? | 04:01 |
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| Keybuk | slomo: ah, Thom mailed the mail list | 04:02 |
| Keybuk | slomo: file a bug (on the ubuntu source) and I'll forward thom's mail to the bug too | 04:02 |
| slomo | Keybuk: on cryptsetup or upstart? | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | slomo: ooh, good question ... let's say cryptsetup and upstart :p | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | so file it on cryptsetup, and add upstart too | 04:03 |
| slomo | hehe ok :) | 04:03 |
| jdong | Keybuk: no, it doesn't break :-/ | 04:03 |
| slomo | jdong: try rebooting... you still have the old, "new" dbus daemon | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | jdong: did you try a reboot? | 04:04 |
| jdong | no, but I restarted dbus :) | 04:04 |
| jdong | but fine, I'll reboot | 04:04 |
| slomo | Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/58794 | 04:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58794 in upstart "doesn't deal with init scripts that require user input" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 04:06 |
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| jdong | still no breakage | 04:07 |
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| Keybuk | jdong: hmm | 04:15 |
| Keybuk | what else got updated in that run (looking at dpkg.log) | 04:15 |
| jdong | as I said, a bunch of avahi, beagle, and dbus | 04:15 |
| Keybuk | also check "last reboot", had you rebooted in a while? | 04:15 |
| jdong | yeah | 04:15 |
| jdong | it was a few minutes prior to the dist-upgrade | 04:15 |
| jdong | avahi's gonna be a beast to downgrade, not in the mood for it tonight | 04:16 |
| jdong | I'll play with this one more tomorrow | 04:16 |
| Keybuk | heh | 04:16 |
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| jdong | :) | 04:17 |
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| pitti | Good morning ladies and gentlemen, aliens, pets, bots, and artificial intelligences! | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | moins pitti | 07:26 |
| pitti | hi imbrandon | 07:30 |
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| === pitti hugs Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hey pitti! | 07:41 |
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti in return | ||
| Hobbsee | pitti: i have a request | 07:41 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: go ahead | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: the request sync script - can we get it to comply more with the current policy? | 07:43 |
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| pitti | Hobbsee: which is? | 07:43 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: (sure, I'm happy to adapt it) | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: about having to have the ubuntu changes in there, etc. and having to list the component of debian that it's in. | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: there's a mail message on ubuntu-devel about the new policy | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: TheMuso helped me get it working for a smtp server :) so i can use it! | 07:44 |
| zyga | pitti: hi, do language packs use bz2 on purpose (when creating debian packages) | 07:45 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ubuntu changes as a diff? | 07:45 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: (sorry, I just returned from vac, my mail backlog is horrible) | 07:45 |
| pitti | zyga: yes | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: yeah, fair enough. i'll try to find the mail for you on the archives, if you like | 07:45 |
| pitti | would be nice | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: how were the holidays? | 07:46 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I do not think it's a good idea to attach a diff; they are potentially huuuge due to PO mangling etc. | 07:46 |
| === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir in return, and stomps on his feet | ||
| pitti | Hobbsee: nice and relaxing; canooing, bicycling, tenting, staying in fresh air all the time :) | 07:46 |
| === Mithrandir is already levitating and watches Hobbsee stomp the ground instead. | ||
| Hobbsee | hah | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: surely not! you mean you went...outside? and...survived???? | 07:47 |
| pitti | surprisingly, yes :) | 07:47 |
| === mvo googles "fresh air" | ||
| === pitti blows away the smoke from the bear gun | ||
| Hobbsee | mvo: hehe | 07:48 |
| pitti | mvo: it's that ugly smell when you open a window | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | gah. it's on u-d-a | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | meaning i will *not* find it on u-d | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html | 07:49 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ok, obviously I cannot automatically generate such a description | 07:51 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: a description of each of the Ubuntu changes (a bullet point list | 07:51 |
| pitti | is fine, but copies of debian/changelog aren't) | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: true. even the ubuntu changelog entries would help, i guess. | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 07:51 |
| === pitti considers this a bit silly, though | ||
| Hobbsee | pitti: it wouldnt be a full replacement, as it was before, but it would be a help, i suspect | 07:52 |
| pitti | we will have lots of unnecessary work during the 'merge from Debian' phase | 07:52 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: for now I'll just add the Debian component | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: yeah, exactly. if i've done something wrong, which is quite possible considering the number of syncs i requested, i want to know what i got wrong, and why, not "lets punish everyone because a few people made a mistake" | 07:52 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: the Ubuntu changes should be added as a followup comment | 07:52 |
| pitti | so that the script can work fully automatically | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: yes | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | hey, yeah, that would be cool | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I don't agree that there will be unnecessary work | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | during the merge from Debian phase, you've just worked out what the changes are | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | "summarise the damned changes here" | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | as you've just decided that they can be dropped | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: to write them out is painful | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | it's not 5s of work to quickly type them | 07:53 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ok, depends on the level of details you expect :) | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | pitti: bare minimum detail | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | a few words, or a line at most, per change | 07:53 |
| pitti | Keybuk: if it's 'PO file changes, all patches adopted', then it's easy | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | just enough to acknowledge that the requestor has actually read the damned diff | 07:54 |
| pitti | ok | 07:54 |
| Keybuk | which a frightening number of people weren't doing | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: really? | 07:54 |
| Keybuk | some people actually had "ok to override ubuntu changes" in their sync request template!! | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: was i one of those people? | 07:54 |
| pitti | Keybuk: well, requestsync adds this by default | 07:54 |
| === pitti points out that he wrote that script entirely for his own use initially | ||
| Hobbsee | of course, by definition, the changes would be okay to overwrite, otherwise they wouldnt be using the request sync script. | 07:55 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I guess I'll take out this stanza then | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | I've seen many mails from you without that line | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: HA HA HA HA HA HA | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: theoretically, anyway | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:55 |
| pitti | Keybuk: well, if there are no Ubuntu changes, this line won't be there of course | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: that's what we wanted to prove :p | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | basically it got to the point where Colin and I were hand-checking every sync request for sanity | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: you cant really prohibit people's stupidity | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | which is too much work for us | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 07:56 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ok, I take out that line, since the description requires a followup comment anyway | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: were the dodgy ones from particular people, or was that everyone? | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: sadly the dodgy ones came from just about everybody | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: ahhhh. mind telling me which of mine i did wrong then, rather than just "some of them"? | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | no idea | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | heh. yes, me neither. it seems that's where the problem is :P | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | I don't keep that kind of thing in my memory | 07:57 |
| Keybuk | I would have mentioned it at the time | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: of course. i'm more wondering if it was... | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, i remember a few now. damned wrong versioning | 07:57 |
| === Hobbsee still gets caught with that, at times. | ||
| Keybuk | we all make mistakes | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 07:58 |
| === Hobbsee makes a note to actually learn the content before the next maths test, to avoid said mistakes | ||
| Keybuk | the change wasn't about blame | 07:58 |
| Keybuk | it was to try and speed up the sync queue again | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | wasnt meaning that it was the brain | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | warning: Hobbsee has had about 6 hours of class straight, ending in a maths test. brain is slightly fried. | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | heh | 07:59 |
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| Kagou | hi | 08:00 |
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| Keybuk | heh | 08:02 |
| Keybuk | looks like someone wiped the Planet Debian cache database | 08:02 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if dbus has still broken everything. or if it's only everything containing a nvidia card. | ||
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: "broken everything"? | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: well, broken gdm/kdm | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: mentioned it earlier | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | but has a nvidia card, so that's likely the thing to blame. | 08:03 |
| Keybuk | ah, I have another "probably dbus" bug | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | i decided that i didnt want to troubleshoot it in 20 mins, at uni, on batteries. | 08:05 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee: well not /all/ nvidia cards as i'm running latest dbus / kdm / nvida ( nv not binary ) | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: oh good | 08:06 |
| Mithrandir | I don't really see how dbus could break on one class of graphics cards? | 08:06 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: i dont either. | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | i'm thinking gnomefreak was having issues with the binary nvidia drivers and not dbus but i was afk and only read the logs | 08:07 |
| === Hobbsee upgrades | ||
| imbrandon | moins Mithrandir | 08:07 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: so how did you perfect the skill of levitating, by the way? | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: if i ever make it to a conference, i want to see it in person :P | 08:08 |
| === imbrandon gets smore more mtdew^Wcoffee and starts the daily email checks | ||
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you, and since I like you, I won't. | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: haha. right. | 08:08 |
| Mithrandir | 'morning, imbrandon | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: i'd like to see you try to kill me, if you're on another continent | 08:08 |
| === Hobbsee is unlikable. | ||
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I like three-eyed aliens! :-P | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | unkillable ? | 08:09 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: also, ICBMs. | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | haha | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | ICBM? | 08:09 |
| Mithrandir | intercontinental ballistic missiles | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | inter cont blastic missle | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe, right | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ahhhhh..... | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: no unlikable. i'm a psycopathic bitch, after all :P | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | ah lol | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | icmb , think long pointy stick with a grenade on the end ;) | 08:10 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...fun... | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | icbm* | 08:10 |
| === Mithrandir twiddles his thumbs while this workstation upgrades to edgy. | ||
| === Hobbsee drops some icecubes down Mithrandir's back to distract him | ||
| === imbrandon twidles along with Mithrandir as squashfs squishes the fs ... | ||
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: eyh! Here I'm just recovering from a cold and you try to kill me? | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: now, if i were trying to kill you, then surely i'd be using a ICBM for such a thing. not just mere icecubes. | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | icecubes don't work on Tollef | 08:13 |
| Keybuk | they're warm compared to where he comes from | 08:13 |
| === Hobbsee sticks them down Keybuk's back instead. | ||
| Hobbsee | dont make me find something else... | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: that's why you southerners keep complaining about the heat each time you visit? :-P | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: their just wusses | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: perhaps one of the next conferences needs to be on the equator or something. they'd get used to it pretty quick :P | 08:14 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: well, equator gives you humidity as well. Here, we're more in the "make it hot, but not humid" way of doing things. | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | *cough* Kansas City *cough* | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ahhh...nice. remind me to move up there someday. | 08:16 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: Kansas moved to the equator now? | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | heheh no but it would be cool to have one in the middle of the US ( not to mention i live here ) hehe | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | brb | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:17 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: I seem to remember having to climb snow drifts last time I visited | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | "oh no, it's moving countries again!" | 08:18 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: oh, true, but that was in winter. And it wasn't cold. Just snowy. | 08:18 |
| Mithrandir | (which means it's wet. :-/) | 08:18 |
| Keybuk | imbrandon: rumour has it that the next will be in SF | 08:18 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: it was cold for me | 08:18 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: you live in a country which freezes and panics when you get 2cm of snow on the roads. | 08:18 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: a fair point | 08:19 |
| dcode | imbrandon: I support a middle US con too | 08:21 |
| dcode | I'm from StL | 08:21 |
| dcode | but in KC all the time | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | imbrandon: well known for its international hub airport? :p | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | Keybuk: yea it ( we ) have a huge intl airport | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | KCI ( kansas city intl airport hehe ) | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | and its dead smak in the middle of the US | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | dcode: yea i'm in STL all the time too, I have some family there about 45 min outside east stl | 08:26 |
| dcode | I'm actually currently going to school in Rolla | 08:27 |
| dcode | but my family is from just south of St. Louis | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | cool | 08:27 |
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| imbrandon | Keybuk: but SF would be cool too ;) | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | imbrandon: confs tend to be held in places convenient for not just us to get to, but any particular group we're aiming to be involved | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | oh fun. there is a rumoured location now | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | true ;) | 08:28 |
| Keybuk | or placed back-to-back with other conferences, etc. | 08:29 |
| imbrandon | umm but Keybuk whats in SF heh ? | 08:29 |
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| Keybuk | imbrandon: most tech companies? | 08:29 |
| imbrandon | ahh true alot are there | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | well close to there | 08:30 |
| === Hobbsee is jealous. | ||
| imbrandon | welp i'll be at the next one , even if i dont manage to get sponsored ( as long as its in the US , travel wont be terrible expensive ) | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | plus if its in SF my wifes family is close, two birsd with one stone , i can "drop her off" hehe | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | birds* | 08:31 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: jealous of? | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: you all going off to a conference | 08:32 |
| === jdub tries to decide between dell d420 and ibm x60 | ||
| pradeeper | Hi guys, I need some bit information about Ubuntu remastering.... I know that you guys are busy but if somebody can tell me where I can get some help on remastering stuff... that's a great help! | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | heya jdub, for ? | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: what's the d420 retailing for? | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | pradeeper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06 | 08:32 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: thinkpad > * :-) | 08:33 |
| jdub | Hobbsee: just under $3000 with my customisations | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | wow | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: wow. | 08:33 |
| === imbrandon sticks to his apple lappy(s) | ||
| === Hobbsee wonders about the customisations, for that price | ||
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: it happens several times a year :-/ | 08:33 |
| jdub | but you can get one for AUD$2398 | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: heh. so you have to go, and dont like it. that'd be right. | 08:34 |
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| Mithrandir | imbrandon: apples don't have three mouse buttons. | 08:34 |
| jdub | apples are also not ultraportable | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir: mine does ( just any old usb mouse ) | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: external mice are a pain, imo. | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | jdub: well my 14in ibook isnt too bad to lug arround | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | Mithrandir: true i done use them but it is an option ;) | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | dont* | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: do you have any thoughts on dropping the -ppds as we did for -desktop just before knot-2? | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | imbrandon: I prefer machines with a proper number of mouse buttons built-in. | 08:36 |
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| imbrandon | Mithrandir: hehe maybe so but apples are just so slick imho for lappys ( i dont like the desktops much ) but all my laptops are apple | 08:38 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I saw the change, but I cannot really comment on it; if it works (i. e. foomatic has the matching backend for dynamic PPD generation), so much the better :) | 08:38 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: dynamic PPDs were one of 1.2's major new features, so it seems appropriate to make use of it | 08:39 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it worked in one out of one of my tests. | 08:39 |
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| pradeeper | thanks imbrandon, I have done some work based on that... but I need more information, for example, I notice that ~ubuntu users is created on the fly when booting the Ubuntu liveCD. if I want to change some settings on ubuntu user then how can I do that? | 08:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: 'Ubuntu achieves 100% success rate in printing tests' | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it also looks like cupsys-common needs a versioned replaces on cupsys; I got file overlap problems when upgrading from dapper now. | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: do you want to handle that or should I? | 08:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'll test it a bit as well, but Malone will find it out soon enough :) | 08:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'll do it in Debian's and Ubuntu's svn branches | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: thanks, that saves me filing a bug. :-) | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | pradeeper: thats covered on the bottom of that howto , also you can check with the guys at nUbuntu ( they do alot of custom stuff with the livecd ) | 08:41 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: it already has Conflicts: cupsys (<< 1.2.1-4); same version for R:, I guess | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: sounds sane, yes. | 08:41 |
| pradeeper | thanks imbrandon, let me check on that | 08:41 |
| pradeeper | btw, what is nUbuntu? | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | an unoffical spinoff | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | www.nubuntu.org i think , dont know terribly much about them | 08:44 |
| pradeeper | oh! | 08:45 |
| pradeeper | well... nubuntu.org is not working for me :( | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | s/.org/.com/g | 08:46 |
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| jdub | looks like the dell wins - has touchpad and clit (not jsut the clit like the ibm), and the mediabase has a dvi port (ibm one doesn't) | 08:51 |
| jdub | plus i will probably never get over the position of esc and fn on the ibm ;-) | 08:52 |
| mvo | jdub: it has only a 1.8" hdd IIRC though (the ibm has a 2.5") | 08:52 |
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| jdub | mvo: yeah, that's a bit of a bummer | 08:53 |
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| jdub | are there any other laptops / docks that have dvi? | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | the lack of a touchpad on the Lenovo is what continually prevents me from buying one | 08:54 |
| mvo | when I tested the x60 I was unhappy with the hdd though, it kept vibrating under my right palm (not very strong, but constant) | 08:54 |
| mvo | but maybe I got a monday model or something | 08:55 |
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| jdub | i was very surprised at the price of hp laptops | 08:56 |
| jdub | $$$! | 08:56 |
| neuralis | yeah, it's unfortunate. they're excellent little machines, though. | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: good or bad? | 08:56 |
| jdub | high | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: are they? | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | I'm totally unimpressed by my nc4010 | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | I hope the newer HPs are better | 08:57 |
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| jdub | $2800 for the D420 + mediabase and a few other bits | 08:58 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: i had a nc4010, didn't like it all that much, moved to nc4200, quite happy with it | 08:58 |
| jdub | $3000 with 1GB ram, but cheaper if i buy elsewhere | 08:58 |
| Keybuk | it's the build quality I'm most upset with | 08:59 |
| Keybuk | this thing just hasn't lasted | 08:59 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: the 4200 strikes me as much better built, but i haven't used the 4010 for long enough to give you a definitive opinion | 08:59 |
| zyg1 | jdub: that's a hell lot of money for a laptop | 08:59 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: how long have you had the 4200? | 09:00 |
| G0SUB | pitti: hello | 09:00 |
| pitti | Hi G0SUB | 09:00 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: lemme look | 09:00 |
| G0SUB | pitti: PM? | 09:00 |
| jdub | zyg1: i don't buy el-cheapo laptops | 09:00 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: have you had any problems with the battery life on it? | 09:00 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: fixed cupsys in both places, Ubuntu uploaded | 09:00 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks for spotting this | 09:00 |
| jdub | plus it's australian pesos | 09:01 |
| pitti | G0SUB: sure | 09:01 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: had it about a year, no battery problems at all yet | 09:03 |
| zyg1 | jdub: what is el-cheapo? 1.5K for a portable is already alot, but 3K ?!? | 09:03 |
| zyg1 | you can always buy identical laptop for half 3 months later | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: this one' | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: this one's charger has stopped working properly ... it incorrectly reports battery charges, and doesn't fully charge them, etc. | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | and won't charge through the travel adapter at all | 09:04 |
| neuralis | eep | 09:04 |
| neuralis | i think that's a one-off problem; a friend of mine inherited my 4010, and has had no battery problems with it | 09:05 |
| jdub | zyg1: where do i find a 12" ultraportable for $1.5K? | 09:05 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: I'd believe that, except a friend's different HP model has had exactly the same set of problems I've had with this | 09:05 |
| lifeless | jdub: samsung ? | 09:05 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: maybe my 4010 is a one-off working one.. | 09:05 |
| jdub | lifeless: they don't have a comparable laptop | 09:05 |
| lifeless | no ? crap | 09:06 |
| lifeless | malcc has a q10+ which is nice | 09:06 |
| maswan | jdub: I think toshiba just introduced one that had a bit better resolution, and good battery time, at a low weight | 09:06 |
| slomo | Keybuk: postrm of upstart is broken it seems... at least from -2 to -3 | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | maswan: the trouble with toshibas is that some models like overheating. | 09:07 |
| zyg1 | jdub: you could try 13" macbook (not so ultraportable but close) | 09:07 |
| maswan | Hobbsee: Ah, that doesn't sound fun. | 09:07 |
| jdub | zyg1: very heavy, still not that cheap | 09:07 |
| Keybuk | slomo: oh, broken how? | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | maswan: oh, and the fans run most of the time, which makes them distracting | 09:07 |
| maswan | What about the smallest fujitsus? | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | Apple don't have any sub-2kg machines, do they? | 09:07 |
| maswan | Hobbsee: ack | 09:07 |
| zyg1 | jdub: heavy ack but it's 1K$, about 1.1K with tons of ram from other vendor | 09:07 |
| zyg1 | Mithrandir: not anymore | 09:08 |
| jdub | maswan: ah - didn't think of those, good point. wonder if any have dvi. | 09:08 |
| Mithrandir | zyg1: hmm? Even the 12" powerbook was 2kg, wasn't it? | 09:08 |
| zyg1 | Mithrandir: 12" ibook was less AFAIR but I may be wrong | 09:08 |
| slomo | Keybuk: without any output from the script it said that the old returned with error code 2 and then tries the new one... and fails because of "exec format error" | 09:08 |
| Mithrandir | zyg1: nope, 12" white ibook was 2.1 or 2.2. | 09:08 |
| jdub | zyg1: a macbook doesn't suit the requirement, and is $2000 anyway | 09:09 |
| maswan | jdub: no clue, I think I ruled them out due to no trackpoint | 09:09 |
| Keybuk | err | 09:09 |
| zyg1 | jdub: 2000? huh? mb is 1000$ | 09:09 |
| zyg1 | jdub: unless you want black one :P | 09:09 |
| jdub | zyg1: note that i've mentioned AUD numerous times | 09:09 |
| maswan | jdub: I haven't really looked at notebooks seriously since back when I got my x40 though, and I think I'll get another year out of that | 09:09 |
| zyg1 | Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure one of the first models was sub 2KG | 09:09 |
| zyg1 | AUD? | 09:09 |
| jdub | australian dollars | 09:10 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: yeah, same with me.. going to look at x70 or x80 when that comes out, though. | 09:10 |
| zyg1 | ahh | 09:10 |
| zyg1 | jdub: then 3000 AUD is not so scary ;-) | 09:10 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: I just hope that they finally get clued in on sticking a 1400x1050 on those without adding extra weight. | 09:11 |
| Keybuk | slomo: oh, meh, postrm is buggy -- add #!/bin/sh -e to the top :p | 09:11 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: I'm guessing they'd rather go for 1280x800 or thereabouts. | 09:11 |
| slomo | Keybuk: oh... i better go back to sleep :) i didn't notice that it was missing although i looked at the file ;) | 09:11 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: Sure, but I'd prefer my version. :) | 09:11 |
| Keybuk | slomo: is just that file, so explains why it didn't show up in my upgrade test | 09:12 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: I think they won't be able to do the "without adding extra weight" bit, though. | 09:12 |
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| maswan | Mithrandir: Possibly. I guess I probably will have to compromise, I was aiming for twice the number of pixels, half the weight, twice the battery life. It seems like I can perhaps get 1-2 out of those. | 09:13 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: two out of three isn't that bad. | 09:14 |
| Keybuk | slomo: fix uploaded | 09:14 |
| Keybuk | right, nap time | 09:14 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: Yeah, as long as the others are at "not (significantly) worse" at least | 09:14 |
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| maswan | Mithrandir: Btw, the reason I mentioned the toshiba is that it seemed to be about 50% better in all three. So now I just wait for one more year for them to get twice as good. ;) | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: I've heard the toshiba build quality isn't that great. | 09:20 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: that's the thing I really, really love about my thinkpad. It can take on all the abuse I throw at it. | 09:20 |
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| jdub | Mithrandir: even the fn/esc abuse? :) | 09:21 |
| jdub | doesn't look like fujitsu wins | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | Not me, I hope :P | 09:22 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: are you ultraportable? do you have a DVI output? :) | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | Sure... | 09:22 |
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| Fujitsu | Hm. | 09:23 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: Yeah, mine too. Well, the battery is getting old, so I need to either replace that or the laptop in a year or so. | 09:23 |
| ivoks | pitti: wb :) | 09:23 |
| pitti | ivoks: thanks | 09:23 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: I've pondered switching to my 6-cell by default, but then, I don't use my battery that much _anyway_, so I'm saving that for travel, I think. | 09:24 |
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| maswan | Mithrandir: I just want a larger screen on it, without sacrificing the other parts (too much) | 09:24 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:24 |
| zyg1 | dholbach: morning | 09:25 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: Oh, I only have one battery. And it is down to half according to acpi. | 09:25 |
| zyg1 | dholbach: are we initerested in FOSS fonts that replace times new roman? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | zyg1: it's best to write to ubuntu-devel@ about that | 09:26 |
| dholbach | zyg1: but sounds interesting (i'm no expert) | 09:26 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: my 4-cell has begun acting weirdly and doesn't report charge correctly any more. Not that I really care since I have the other one too. | 09:26 |
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| jdub | we are interested in destroying the last vestiges of times new roman | 09:27 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: but then, I'm nto very surprised, since it has been on almost constantly since I got it | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: mine too. I've taken to suspending it at night now, though | 09:27 |
| zyg1 | jdub: I don't understand? | 09:27 |
| jdub | zyg1: times new roman is a plague on taste and typography | 09:28 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: I've been thinking of that, but it's annoying to restore all those ssh sessions. | 09:28 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: it's nice if you're the New York Times and need to put as much text on each page as possible. | 09:28 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: heh, true, but then, I don't have a zillion open all the time; I rather open new ones as I go. | 09:28 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: new york times doesn't use times new roman! | 09:29 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: it uses imperial | 09:29 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: I'm quite used to having sessions open in a couple of places, home workstation and movie player up in the leftmost corner, etc, etc | 09:30 |
| zyg1 | jdub: it's used by websites though :/ | 09:30 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: it used to, though. Or rather, it used to use times. | 09:30 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: 'times' doesn't refer to the nyt, it refers to 'the times' (uk newspaper) :-) | 09:36 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: hmm, I was fairly sure it was designed for the NYT, ICBW however. | 09:38 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: requestsync script updated | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | and I don't have any books of typography here which would support my claim or not. | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: woo! | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: thanks! | 09:39 |
| pitti | np, only trivial changes | 09:39 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: nyt used all kinds of stupid shit, 'times' is much older | 09:39 |
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| jdub | " | 09:41 |
| jdub | "Science: Steve Irwin Dead | 09:41 |
| jdub | " pure slashdot comedy | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | jdub: nah its true , news.com.au has a story on it too | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | afaik | 09:42 |
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| StevenK | And Channel Nine for that matter. | 09:42 |
| jdub | ... | 09:42 |
| jdub | "science" | 09:42 |
| jdub | nutballs | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | oh | 09:42 |
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| slomo | fabbione: ping? | 09:44 |
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| tepsipakki | how come there aren't new meeting logs on the wiki since late July? | 09:45 |
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| slomo | infinity: could you please kill the mono build on sparc? it got a SIGILL and just stalled instead of failing :( | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | Great! | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | Sounds like fun. | 10:02 |
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| seb128 | "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch | 10:04 |
| seb128 | Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch" | 10:04 |
| seb128 | is that known? | 10:04 |
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| infinity | slomo: It's already over that. | 10:10 |
| slomo | infinity: oh ok... | 10:10 |
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| dholbach | hellas ogra! | 10:42 |
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| dholbach | ogra: new gnome-power-manager for you | 10:42 |
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| zyg1 | why the hell does objcopy use over 500MB of ram after some app crashes/is killed? | 10:43 |
| pitti | zyg1: if you have a huge app crashing (with a huge coredump), apport uses objcopy to shrink the coredump size | 10:44 |
| zyg1 | pitti: the app didn't use even quater of that | 10:44 |
| zyg1 | I killed objcopy and kernel barfed :/ | 10:45 |
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| zyg1 | kernel oops | 10:46 |
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| pitti | zyga: do you have a record of the oops? | 10:47 |
| pitti | zyga: could be a bug in the crash dump helper | 10:47 |
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| zyg1 | hm, how do I file a bug on the kernel again? | 10:53 |
| zyg1 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/linux-image-2.6.17-6-686 # 'bugs' link is not active | 10:54 |
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| Fujitsu | File it on linux-source-2.6.17 | 10:54 |
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| zyg1 | thanks | 10:57 |
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| sivang | morning | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | morning sivang | 11:12 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: hey corey, how are you ? | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | not bad | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | got UWN 12 out, realized my mistakes | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | got my inbox under 500 for the first time in 4 weeks | 11:17 |
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| Mocka | Hello | 11:20 |
| Mocka | My name is Kid Rock. | 11:20 |
| Mocka | How are you all today? | 11:20 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: nice | 11:21 |
| Mocka | sivang do you work on ubuntu? | 11:21 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: if you want to see some of the new GUI for hubackup, there's a bzr branch I'm working on | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | ok, cool | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | can't honestly say I willb e able to find time | 11:21 |
| sivang | Mocka: I contribute yes, but I am not employee if that what you're asking. | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | but I will try | 11:21 |
| Mocka | ok i cant decide what distro to use | 11:22 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: okay, cool :-) just FYI sort of thing, I recalled you were asking me about it progress during the last cycle | 11:22 |
| sivang | Mocka: This is more of a user oriented question, I'm sure in #ubuntu there will be a lot of people that can help this dilemma | 11:22 |
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| Burgundavia | Mocka: we might be slighly biased in here ;) | 11:23 |
| sivang | Mocka: and what Burgundavia just said :-) | 11:25 |
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| Mocka | Ubuntu is very new... | 11:26 |
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| Burgundavia | well, that was interesting | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | hey heno | 11:27 |
| heno | Burgundavia: hey! | 11:27 |
| sivang | hey heno , 'sup? | 11:28 |
| heno | hey sivang | 11:30 |
| carlos | Riddell, pitti: ping | 11:31 |
| pitti | carlos: pong | 11:31 |
| carlos | Riddell, pitti: https://launchpad.net/bugs/58526 | 11:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58526 in rosetta "Missing upstream translations for koffice in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 11:31 |
| carlos | we need to find a final solution for that problem.... | 11:31 |
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| pitti | carlos: is it a real problem that koffice-i18n is in main? if so, let's just promote it | 11:32 |
| carlos | I did the manual import with Dapper because was too late to implement something, but I don't think it would scale... | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | carlos: one thing to be careful with "final solution" is an engilsh term for the holocaust and is thus not used very much | 11:32 |
| pitti | oh, it's koffice-l10n now | 11:32 |
| carlos | pitti: I think the main problem was just that the packages would be empty | 11:32 |
| pitti | right | 11:33 |
| pitti | I don't know whether we can have the source in main, and all the debs in universe | 11:33 |
| carlos | Burgundavia: I see, 'nice' term.... | 11:33 |
| pitti | but it should work somehow | 11:33 |
| carlos | pitti: yeah. Please, tell me if that's not possible so we think on other ways to fix it | 11:34 |
| carlos | pitti: should I assign you that bug? | 11:35 |
| pitti | carlos: oh, let's promote it | 11:35 |
| carlos | well, to get translations in Rosetta we need a new upload... | 11:35 |
| carlos | Riddell: could you do it? | 11:35 |
| pitti | carlos: I don't have that power, though, please subscribe ubuntu-archive | 11:35 |
| pitti | carlos: oh, I can do a no-change upload after the promotion, of course | 11:36 |
| carlos | pitti: that's good enough | 11:36 |
| === pitti wonders what happened to wiki.u.c. - am I the only one who cannot connect to it? | ||
| Burgundavia | pitti: it was up for me just a second ago | 11:37 |
| carlos | pitti: I don't need any notification, the files will be handled by Rosetta directly, what I mean is that if is not possible to have the source in main and all binaries in universe, just tell me it to find another solution ;-) | 11:37 |
| pitti | carlos: right, but I think having the source in main is the cleanest one | 11:37 |
| carlos | pitti: me too | 11:38 |
| pitti | carlos: anastacia will complain, but we can ignore that | 11:38 |
| carlos | ok | 11:39 |
| Kamion | um | 11:40 |
| Kamion | I'm not really happy with something we have to permanently ignore | 11:40 |
| Kamion | it's ok for now, but I want to be able to get anastacia empty for edgy | 11:40 |
| pitti | Kamion: can we promote just koffice-i18n-en to main and leave the rest in universe? | 11:40 |
| Kamion | sure, with some suitable comment in the seeds | 11:41 |
| pitti | erm, -en doesn't exist, but any other language | 11:41 |
| pitti | -engb | 11:41 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, I'll put it into supported then | 11:41 |
| Kamion | ok, want me to promote that now? | 11:42 |
| pitti | Kamion: that would be nice | 11:42 |
| Kamion | done, will be visible after the next publisher run as usual | 11:42 |
| pitti | ok, I do the seed change and the rebuild | 11:42 |
| carlos | Kamion, pitti: thanks guyes | 11:43 |
| carlos | guys | 11:43 |
| pitti | Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None: | 11:43 |
| pitti | grrr | 11:43 |
| pitti | I can't access the wiki, nor bazaar.l.n | 11:43 |
| carlos | pitti, Kamion: Same problem with k3b-i18n | 11:44 |
| carlos | https://launchpad.net/bugs/58556 | 11:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58556 in rosetta "New upstream translations of k3b not imported to Rosetta" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 11:44 |
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| pitti | meh | 11:45 |
| Kamion | k3b-i18n only has one binary package | 11:45 |
| Kamion | (so it's easier, I guess) | 11:45 |
| pitti | well, it would be another useless and empty package in main | 11:46 |
| pitti | but we can live with that, I guess | 11:46 |
| doko | pitti, Riddell: kdegraphics contains a copy of xpdf? | 11:47 |
| pitti | Kamion: ok, I'll seed/rebuild it as well (once I can connect again) | 11:47 |
| pitti | doko: yes, but we ported it to poppler at the last conf | 11:47 |
| Kamion | pitti: I've promoted it | 11:47 |
| pitti | doko: i. e. the copy is not used any more | 11:47 |
| pitti | Kamion: thanks | 11:47 |
| Kamion | ok, ubiquity makes a lot more sense when I turn it *this* way up | 11:48 |
| Riddell | doko: it does but it's nt used | 11:49 |
| doko | ahh, ok | 11:49 |
| carlos | pitti: I just remembered that we took no action for those packages because we were supposed to import universe for Edgy... | 11:50 |
| carlos | pitti, Kamion: Thanks for the fast action | 11:51 |
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| heno | dholbach: ping | 11:59 |
| dholbach | heno: pong | 11:59 |
| heno | dholbach: Hi! Can you help with getting this into universe? https://launchpad.net/people/onboard/+branch/onboard/main | 11:59 |
| heno | ? | 12:00 |
| dholbach | heno: i'll make a note | 12:00 |
| dholbach | heno: today and tomorrow is gnome 2.16 - so i'll be busy | 12:00 |
| heno | I assume it needs to go there before it can go in main | 12:00 |
| dholbach | heno: i'll try to shove it in at some time in between | 12:00 |
| heno | dholbach: right | 12:00 |
| heno | dholbach: or if you know of any MOTUs with spare time that would work too :) | 12:01 |
| dholbach | #ubuntu-motu :-) | 12:01 |
| dholbach | maybe Luke? | 12:01 |
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| heno | I tried #u-motu already, but I'll try again :) | 12:02 |
| heno | Despite all my prodding Luke has not yet applied to become a motu AFAIK | 12:02 |
| heno | It's already packaged, just needs review and upload | 12:02 |
| === heno gives #u-motu another go | ||
| === ogra wonders if he did something wrong ... thats the first time the gnome-power-manager patches all applied straight away ... | ||
| pitti | Riddell: ok, k3b-i18n and koffice-i18n-engb are now promoted and seeded; do you have the current packages on disk to do a quick no-change upload? | 12:07 |
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| fabbione | slomo: pong? | 12:27 |
| pitti | hey fabbione! | 12:28 |
| slomo | fabbione: seems like we have a problem with mono on sparc :( | 12:28 |
| slomo | fabbione: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=79270 | 12:28 |
| Ubugtu | Ximian bug 79270 in JIT "SIGILL on Linux/sparc" [Unknown,New] | 12:28 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 12:28 |
| fabbione | slomo: i am in vacation... will be back next monday | 12:29 |
| fabbione | slomo: also.. davem is not around now | 12:29 |
| slomo | fabbione: oh ok, didn't know this. shall i write him a mail or will you care for everything after you're back from vacation? | 12:29 |
| fabbione | slomo: either you write us a mail or remind me once i am back | 12:30 |
| slomo | fabbione: ok, i'll remind you on monday... enjoy your free week :) | 12:31 |
| Riddell | pitti: why koffice-i18n-engb? | 12:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: well, it's as good as any other language :) | 12:32 |
| fabbione | slomo: thanks :) | 12:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: we just need an 'excuse' to keep the source in main | 12:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: without anastacia bitching | 12:32 |
| Kamion | Riddell: (germinate doesn't understand keeping one source in main without any binaries) | 12:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: and I thought that English speaking people will least likely search for translation packages | 12:32 |
| Riddell | pitti: fair enough, I'll upload | 12:33 |
| pitti | Riddell: thanks; both packages? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | pitti: yep | 12:33 |
| pitti | great | 12:33 |
| Riddell | what's incharge of making nsswitch.conf again? it needs to have mdns4 in it for avahi | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@xoog ~ > dpkg -S /etc/nsswitch.conf | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | base-files: /etc/nsswitch.conf | 12:35 |
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| slomo | Riddell: base-files... but read the debian bugreports about why it was removed again before please | 12:36 |
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| doko | Kamion: are syncs from testing to dapper-proposed possible? | 12:51 |
| Kamion | doko: I don't think so, sorry - sync-source doesn't understand pockets (-proposed) | 12:57 |
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| geser | whom to talk to get a fix in dapper-updates? | 01:00 |
| pitti | geser: primarily, the bug tracker | 01:01 |
| pitti | geser: then, asking here is fine | 01:01 |
| geser | it is bug 58564 | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58564 in php4-yaz "php4-yaz won't install (broken dependency)" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58564 | 01:02 |
| geser | could someone review the fix and upload it to dapper-updates? | 01:02 |
| pitti | geser: I added a dapper task | 01:03 |
| pitti | geser: for the review/fix, can you please ask in #ubuntu-motu or just assign the bug to MOTU? | 01:03 |
| geser | will do, thanks | 01:04 |
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| pitti | doko: cdbs uploaded | 01:10 |
| dholbach | ogra: you rock | 01:12 |
| doko | pitti: thanks | 01:12 |
| ogra | dholbach, thanks for the reminder :) | 01:12 |
| dholbach | ogra: anytime :) | 01:12 |
| Lathiat | Riddell: libnss-mdns | 01:21 |
| Kamion | sladen: I don't think you need to explain to the Soyuz team what sync-source is ... :-) | 01:25 |
| Kamion | though thanks for the bug | 01:25 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: how can I get to the debug symbols from our builds? | 01:32 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: not yet, unfortunately | 01:34 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: ATM, the ddebs are just thrown away; infinity and I have a plan to store them | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: so the embedded core dumps aren't very useful yet? | 01:34 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: right, not terribly much ATM | 02:05 |
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| seb128 | pitti: could you move the dump after the plain text informations, so one don't need to wait on its browser to load it to read the backtrace? ;) | 02:07 |
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| ajmitch | Kamion: ping | 02:16 |
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| Kamion | ajmitch: hi | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: just wanting to get a UVF exception for f-spot 0.2.0 | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | which is in sid now | 02:25 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: could you mail the upstream NEWS entries (or changelog if that doesn't exist) and the Debian changelog entries to cjwatson@ubuntu.com and mdz@ubuntu.com? | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | will do | 02:26 |
| Kamion | thanks | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | sent, hopefully it gets through (have been having mail problems) | 02:30 |
| slomo | pitti: would it be possible to let apport recognize which mono applications was used instead of making each application bug a mono bug? :) i would assume that there is the same problem for python | 02:31 |
| === ajmitch wishes apport could capture a good mono backtrace as well | ||
| slomo | yes, most of the time the output of the application is more useful than the apport information :( | 02:32 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: gnome-app-install still seems to be missing its dependency on python-gdbm | 02:35 |
| _ion | Great, a new f-spot. I really hope it is accepted. | 02:37 |
| tseng | of course it will be | 02:38 |
| tseng | as the old one doesnt work, and its one of our edgy talking points | 02:38 |
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| pitti | seb128: I can certainly do that, yes | 02:49 |
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| pitti | slomo: let me think about it | 02:49 |
| slomo | pitti: we need apport plugins :) | 02:50 |
| pitti | slomo: specs appreciated :) | 02:52 |
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| pitti | slomo: can you please file an apport bug with the essential bits of the report? | 02:56 |
| slomo | pitti: sure | 02:56 |
| pitti | slomo: i. e. everything but the core? | 02:56 |
| pitti | slomo: (or just point to another bug which has a report) | 02:56 |
| pitti | slomo: I have to do some other stuff and I don't want to forget about this | 02:57 |
| slomo | pitti: bug #58859 | 03:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58859 in apport "Better support for mono programs needed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58859 | 03:02 |
| pitti | slomo: thanks | 03:03 |
| pitti | slomo: indeed, we need some kind of hook | 03:03 |
| pitti | slomo: something that maps a re pattern to an additional probe | 03:03 |
| pitti | slomo: but that smells like edgy+1 | 03:03 |
| pitti | slomo: we already had that special case for ubiquity (python) | 03:04 |
| jono | anyone here know about adding a feed to planet ubuntu? I am getting errors :( | 03:04 |
| pitti | it should be fairly interesting to generalize this | 03:04 |
| zyg1 | jono: any more information? | 03:04 |
| slomo | jono: ask jdub... afaik he cares for the planet | 03:04 |
| slomo | pitti: and it would prevent unnecessary work of re-assigning the bugs to the correct packages ;) we already had many bug reports like the f-spot one | 03:05 |
| jono | zyg1, yeah I am running bzr checkout sftp://jonobacon@bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main planet-ubuntu but getting: | 03:05 |
| jdub | not anymore, it's bzr maintained | 03:05 |
| jono | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: sftp://jonobacon@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eplanet-ubuntu/config/main/ | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | jono: got python-paramiko? | 03:05 |
| pitti | slomo: oh, the 'wrong package' bug is important, we'll figure something out | 03:05 |
| jono | ajmitch, yep | 03:06 |
| pitti | slomo: I meant the 'additional probes for python/mono specific stack traces' | 03:06 |
| pitti | slomo: particular packages might have particular additional information they are interested in | 03:06 |
| slomo | pitti: ah ok :) yes, that would only be a bonus ;) | 03:06 |
| pitti | slomo: e. g. we could do a per-package hook and then call all hooks from the dependency chain | 03:06 |
| pitti | slomo: but that's edgy+1 | 03:06 |
| slomo | pitti: btw, why are there still some apport reports that don't contain any stacktrace at all? | 03:06 |
| jono | hmmm | 03:07 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: I wil have a look | 03:07 |
| pitti | slomo: if the process' cwd is not writable for the process | 03:07 |
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| pitti | slomo: BenC and I discussed an alternative kernel behaviour which would rectify this | 03:07 |
| pitti | slomo: e. g. notification-daemon does chdir('/'), and many daemons o | 03:07 |
| pitti | s/o$/do/ | 03:08 |
| slomo | pitti: ok... because without a stacktrace it is really useless most of the time :/ | 03:08 |
| pitti | slomo: thus they cannot dump core | 03:08 |
| slomo | pitti: i don't think it's possible to get everything the application printed to stderr/stdout? | 03:08 |
| pitti | slomo: there is no stdout/stderr in the kernel crashdump helper | 03:09 |
| slomo | pitti: often it would be useful to see the last few lines that were printed by the application before it exploded :/ | 03:09 |
| Kamion | jono: you need to be a member of the planet-ubuntu team (for most people, that's indirectly achieved by being in ubuntumembers) | 03:09 |
| pitti | slomo: dreamer! :) | 03:09 |
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| pitti | slomo: yeah, we totally need that 'look back into history' apport plugin | 03:10 |
| jono | Kamion, right, how do I get added ? | 03:10 |
| Kamion | jono: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 03:10 |
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| slomo | pitti: how could this theoretically work? where is the output so we can get it after a crash happend? :) | 03:11 |
| jono | thanks Kamion | 03:11 |
| pitti | slomo: from the process' perspective it was sent out to a file descriptor and is irrevocably lost | 03:12 |
| pitti | slomo: you could ask all running shells and terminals to save their scrollback buffer :) | 03:12 |
| slomo | evil | 03:12 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: looks good, thanks. pity it didtn pick up the debian changelog on krename though | 03:18 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: you have to wait a bit until changelogs.d.n. catches up | 03:19 |
| pitti | (a day) | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: ah okay... | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/smtplib.py", line 306, in connect | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | raise socket.error, msg | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | gah. i had that working before. | 03:20 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: a local MTA is love, my darling | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i've never been able to figure it out enough to get it to behave. | 03:20 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: if you have a version that talks to ubuntu's smtp server, I'll happily adopt that, of course :) | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: TheMuso helped me fix it so that it was talking to my mail.bigpond.com server. | 03:21 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: got it :) | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: what was the problem of getting it to talk to ubuntu's smtp server? | 03:24 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I never bothered :) | 03:24 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: all my boxes have a nicely configured local MTA | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: what should the address be? | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: and do you need to authenticate, etc, for it? | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | (gmail is not a nice smtp server to try to authenticate too) | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | -o | 03:25 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: no idea | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: hmm okay. didnt even know ubuntu had a smtp server. | 03:25 |
| pitti | ~$ dig MX launchpad.net|grep 10 | 03:25 |
| pitti | launchpad.net. 10783 IN MX 10 fiordland.ubuntu.com. | 03:25 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I guess you don't need auth for @ubuntu targeted domains, and it won't relay other mail anyway | 03:26 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: just try it out :) | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: trying now. didtn come back with an error message, but we'll see if it hits the bugtracker. | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: woo! it works! | 03:30 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZwAnme83.html | 03:31 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: so the only change is stating the SMTP server in s = smtplib.SMTP() ? | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: and deleting a line, yeah | 03:32 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: deleting? | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: s.connect() and s.connect() change to being s.quit() | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | ie, the last section is: | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | s = smtplib.SMTP('fiordland.ubuntu.com') | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | s.sendmail(myemailaddr, to, mail) | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | s.quit() | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | that's the only change | 03:33 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: you mean 's.close()' change to 's.quit()'? | 03:34 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: and the s.connect() can be dropped? strange | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: TheMuso fiddled with that section, and got it working. he gets the credit | 03:34 |
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| pitti | Hobbsee: ok, I'll test that here as well | 03:34 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: if it works, I'll put that into the official script | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: :D | 03:35 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: thanks! | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: not a problem :) | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: now i can request scripts with that from uni too! | 03:35 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: so, regarding bug 50319, I don't really see a problem with just doing user creation before running target-config hooks | 03:52 |
| Kamion | I think we should probably do locales, user, target-config, everything else | 03:53 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: testing this now ... | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: you're not an archive admin, are you? | 03:54 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: no, I'm not | 03:54 |
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| pitti | Hobbsee: look at my badges :) | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: hehe. i might have to. | 03:55 |
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| === Hobbsee was just looking for someone to poke libgii/libggi thru NEW | ||
| Kamion | I did libgii earlier | 03:55 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: sounds like a good idea | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as i've got a few packages sitting here that depend on the new version | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: excellent, thanks :) | 03:55 |
| Kamion | libggi isn't in NEW | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | libgii then. | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | yes, they're playing silly buggers with the naming. | 03:56 |
| Kamion | was just a soname bump basically | 03:56 |
| hikenboot | greetings--been trying to remove none-essential packages from the live cd...it appears that package ubuntu-live installs office...is this also required package in order to get the live cd to work as an installer or to run from cdrom? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: that's the one. | 03:56 |
| Kamion | hikenboot: "office"? (no such package) | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | gah | 03:56 |
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| hikenboot | open-office | 03:57 |
| hikenboot | and language packs | 03:57 |
| Kamion | hikenboot: no | 03:57 |
| hikenboot | what i found was that i removed some package...list of about 40 of them that caused it to no longer have the run from live cd feature..I am trying to figure out which package caused this | 03:58 |
| Kamion | that would be ubiquity* | 03:58 |
| Kamion | if you mean install from live CD | 03:58 |
| hikenboot | yes thats what i mean | 03:58 |
| hikenboot | the ones i removed also caused gnome-system-monitor gnome-volume-manager gparted hal-device-manager gnome-netstatus-applet python2.4.-gnome-extras python-uno to be removed..are any of these packages critical? | 04:01 |
| hikenboot | i would think hal-device-manager would be critical | 04:01 |
| pitti | hikenboot: no, h-d-m is harmless | 04:01 |
| hikenboot | not sure about the python thgoh | 04:01 |
| ogra | g-v-m might be something you want though | 04:02 |
| thom | gparted you probably want | 04:02 |
| Kamion | hikenboot: gparted is required for ubiquity | 04:03 |
| hikenboot | thanks in that case i will just restore x-window-system-core, xbase-clients, gparted, gnome-volume-manager | 04:04 |
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| hikenboot | thanks for your help guys...I am creating the cd now..we will see if it runs ok | 04:18 |
| hikenboot | ah one problem..i removed the packages but did not purge them...is there some directory I should empty or should I start over? | 04:19 |
| Kamion | just either reinstall them or use dpkg --purge, depending on the desired result | 04:20 |
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| hikenboot | ah reinstall them then purge them the right way or dpkg --purge the packages to purge just the packages..thanks | 04:21 |
| jdong | so, has anyone ever tried installing ubuntu to a dvd+rw before? | 04:21 |
| hikenboot | jdong I heard they are working on making ubuntu so that it will run from a rw dvd and actually save settings on the dvd...is that what you mean? | 04:23 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: mind if I change casper to use sudo instead of su? su's argument handling has changed and was always pretty suboptimal for arguments containing spaces anyway | 04:23 |
| jdong | hikenboot: no, more like mkfs.ext2 /dev/scd0; then rsync my ubuntu install onto it :) | 04:24 |
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| hikenboot | oh ...sorry I was going to give you a link to that project I was refering too | 04:24 |
| jdong | hikenboot: I'm just being reckless here :) | 04:25 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: this is working, so I'm just going to commit it; feel free to shout if you object, obviously ... | 04:33 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: su-sudo> sure, sudo's fine with me. | 04:34 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: please make casper depend on sudo, then | 04:34 |
| Kamion | done | 04:35 |
| Kamion | the patch bug 57620 looks applyable? | 04:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57620 in casper "incompatible regex in is_usb_device" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57620 | 04:35 |
| Kamion | s/bug/in bug/ | 04:35 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I'm not sure we have egrep in the initramfs? | 04:36 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: actually, I wonder how that has ever worked. I can't see grep in the initramfs | 04:38 |
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| Kamion | it probably never did work ... | 04:42 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I tested it and it worked for me. | 04:42 |
| Kamion | want me to add [e] grep? | 04:42 |
| Kamion | hmm, no, grep is in the initramfs | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: anyway, I'll poke that bug later and see what's up with it since I'm going to do casper hacking the rest of the week | 04:43 |
| Kamion | rather, it's in busybox initramfs | 04:43 |
| Kamion | busybox-initramfs. oh I give up | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@xoog ~ > gzip -dc < /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-6-amd64-k8 | cpio -t | grep grep | 04:43 |
| Kamion | perhaps none of the initramfs hooks copy it in | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | 41067 blocks | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@xoog ~ > | 04:43 |
| Kamion | yeah | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | it is? | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | am I a fool, then? | 04:43 |
| Kamion | it's in the busybox-initramfs package, but I think those links need to be explicitly copied | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, or created on startup | 04:44 |
| Mithrandir | maybe they are? | 04:44 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, you can change it to "busybox egrep"; that should work | 04:45 |
| Mithrandir | I'm off for a nap now. :-) | 04:45 |
| Kamion | yeah, busybox-initramfs doesn't seem to do the symlink farm thing | 04:46 |
| Kamion | I'll leave this one to you - I'm not in a position to test it, and I'm most concerned with fixing ubiquity-related things anyway | 04:46 |
| Mithrandir | ack | 04:48 |
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| janimo | pitti: hi, could you look at gxine when you next allocate time for reviews? | 04:56 |
| janimo | we'd like to replace xfmedia with it in xubuntu | 04:56 |
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| pitti | janimo: hi | 05:44 |
| pitti | janimo: I can | 05:44 |
| janimo | pitti: thanks | 05:45 |
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| pitti | till: hello! welcome to the channel | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | hmmm anyone a gconf expert here | 05:57 |
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| jdub | cbx33: ask your question, no need to ask to ask :-) | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | sorry jdub, SOP I suppose.... | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | well | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | I'm writing a patch for Pessulus | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | so we can use it with the Student Control Panel in edubuntu | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | I need to edit another users gconf key | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | I'm root so permissions isn't an issue | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | but my problem is whenever I save a key....it creates the file as root | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | and gives it permission 700, so no normal user can read it | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | originally I planned to get roun this by chowning the files after the write | 05:59 |
| jdub | cbx33: are you using the gconf api, or gconftool-2? | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | but gconf caches the writes | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | gconf api - the python bindings | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | so that wasn't an option | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | do you have any ideas? | 05:59 |
| jdub | you could sudo gconftool-2, depending on how disgusting you think that is :) | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | well that's ok | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | but | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | you mean sudo it to the user it is supposed to be running as? | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | i suppose that's doable seeing as the gcontool binary isn't a gui | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | my initial idea way way back was to run pessulus under the sux wrapper | 06:01 |
| jdub | you might want to ask vuntz | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | I'm in conversation with vuntz | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | and he approved my chown idea | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | but i just tested and it doesn't work | 06:01 |
| cbx33 | because the gconf writes are delayed | 06:02 |
| jdub | yeah | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | otherwise it'd be fine | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | guess I'll have to sudo gconftool....not a very nice way to do it | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | but I can't think of any other way | 06:02 |
| jdub | keep talking to vuntz tho :) | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | oh I have been | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | but he's been really busy with the latest gnome release | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | and won't have much time | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | over the nxt few days | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | I have to get this ready for FF | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | which doesn't give me long | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | thanks jdub I'll look into it | 06:03 |
| janimo | pitti, for gnome-cups-manager is anyone who tried sending something upstream? They have a few changes since the release in ubuntu | 06:06 |
| pitti | janimo: I tried in the past, but it's dead upstream, so I stopped sending patches | 06:06 |
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| janimo | I'd like ot make a few changes and I wonder if I should increase our debian/patches dir and file patches in LP or make a bzr branch first | 06:06 |
| pitti | janimo: it's not bzr'ized ATM | 06:07 |
| janimo | hub committed at least occasionally and he used to hang around here as well | 06:07 |
| janimo | I sent a mail too but to no avail | 06:07 |
| pitti | janimo: for now debian/patches is the way to go | 06:07 |
| janimo | pitti, ok | 06:07 |
| pitti | janimo: of course, if you feel like it, feel invited to send our patches upstream :) | 06:07 |
| janimo | pitti, ok. At least from gnome-system-tools maintainer I got a promise | 06:08 |
| janimo | so it may happen with this as well, although I am not sure if there are other distros using g-c-m? | 06:08 |
| pitti | not the big ones | 06:09 |
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| jono | is AIGLX working with i810 cards? | 06:24 |
| mjg59 | By "i810" do you mean "i855"? | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | If so, yes | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | i810 itself is probably a bit slow, but given that it's a P3 chipset... | 06:25 |
| jdub | mjg59: dude, i'm getting a(nother) dell! | 06:28 |
| thom | jdub: why.oh.why? | 06:28 |
| jdub | thom: D420 + MediaBase == sweet ultraportable with desktop DVI | 06:29 |
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| mjg59 | Ha | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | I keep forgetting my Mac doesn't actually /have/ a DVD writer | 06:30 |
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| jdub | got beta 2 or RC 1? | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | RC1 | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | Tch | 06:31 |
| mjg59 | Going to take about an hour to copy over via wireless | 06:32 |
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| mjg59 | Go go ethernet | 06:35 |
| bluefoxicy | does anyone know why lib64gcc1 is installed on 32-bit x86 | 06:42 |
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| Keybuk | bluefoxicy: in case the 32-bit x86 is really a 32-bit x86-64? | 06:53 |
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| bluefoxicy | Keybuk: I have a 32-bit ubuntu on 64-bit CPU | 06:54 |
| jdong | wow, ntfs-3g really works! | 06:54 |
| bluefoxicy | the kernel doesn't know how to execute 64-bit programs | 06:54 |
| jdong | is it possible to get some packages for edgy universe? | 06:54 |
| jdong | builds fine with edgy fuse | 06:54 |
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| jdong | Keybuk: whatever was causing my dbus gripes is gone now... if that's the case with the other dude in the bug report, the ticket can be closed | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | ok, will ask nafallo | 06:57 |
| jdong | upstart's still runnin' like a charm :) | 07:00 |
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| slomo | same here :) | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | I'm waiting for Kamion to get back before doing something very unwise ;p | 07:02 |
| jdong | lol | 07:02 |
| thom | Keybuk: that sounds remarkably... restrained of you | 07:04 |
| slomo | Keybuk: would it be possible to fix cryptsetup before you do that unwise thing? :) | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | slomo: no, that'll get fixed when I do the rootfs changes | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | I may just set the console output stuff back on though | 07:05 |
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| o_cee | anyone who knows when vmware-player will be usable again? someone said last week the modules where going into linux-restricted instead, but i haven't seen that happen yet.. | 07:10 |
| jdong | in dapper or edgy? | 07:11 |
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| o_cee | jdong: edgy | 07:15 |
| o_cee | jdong: sorry about the delay, got a call. | 07:15 |
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| jdong | o_cee: in edgy, we're gonna have to wait for updated binaries from vmware | 07:18 |
| jdong | they need to recompile against a newer hal | 07:18 |
| jdong | so, your guess is as good as mine as to an ETA :-/ | 07:19 |
| o_cee | jdong: dang, okay.. | 07:19 |
| jdong | sorry about the delay... gaim sucks as an IRC client | 07:19 |
| jdong | :) | 07:19 |
| o_cee | hehe | 07:19 |
| o_cee | are the vmware files runnable under some other emulator? like qemu? | 07:20 |
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| sladen | o_cee: IIRC, qemu and generate and load vmware images natively I think | 07:24 |
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| o_cee | sladen: allright, will check it out, thanks | 07:24 |
| jdong | o_cee: you might want to buy a conroe extreme and a large cup of coffee first, though :) | 07:24 |
| o_cee | jdong: heh, that bad? :) | 07:25 |
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| jdong | qemu is not the fastest thing ever | 07:26 |
| jdong | it's bearable on my core duo T2300.... | 07:26 |
| jdong | I've had to use it to test ubuntu livecd's when vmware was not an option | 07:26 |
| o_cee | hrm, p4 3ghz probably won't do then.. | 07:26 |
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| jdong | o_cee: you are gonna have to be patient.. and don't expect any interactive performance out of it | 07:27 |
| o_cee | jdong: just need to get to my accounting software really, heh | 07:27 |
| jdong | o_cee: you're gonna love your mouse framerate... I guarantee it :) | 07:28 |
| jdong | get that coffee | 07:28 |
| jdong | or save up for a conroe extreme... that's always nice to have | 07:28 |
| o_cee | looking forward to it :) heh yeah | 07:28 |
| o_cee | would be nice | 07:28 |
| jdong | builds firefox in a matter of minutes :) | 07:28 |
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| jdahlin | dholbach: ping | 07:40 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: hellas | 07:41 |
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| jdahlin | dholbach: hello! | 07:47 |
| jdahlin | dholbach: is it too late to request the inclusion of a package in edgy? | 07:47 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: what package? | 07:47 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: for universe it should be fine | 07:47 |
| jdahlin | dholbach, seb128: specifically, I'd like to see python-psycopg2 (58864 in launchpad) to be included in edgy | 07:47 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: no, (i guess it's supposed to live in universe) | 07:47 |
| jdahlin | I'm not sure if python-psycopg is in main or universe | 07:48 |
| seb128 | main | 07:48 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: and what is python-psycopg2? is that the new unstable line? | 07:49 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: no issue to have the new version with a different source package to universe though | 07:49 |
| seb128 | dholbach: cf the bug he pointed | 07:49 |
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| jdahlin | dholbach: it's the new stable branch, the old one is not actively maintained | 07:49 |
| seb128 | jdahlin: any reason to keep both? Are they incompatible? | 07:50 |
| jdahlin | I just got an upstream bug report closed because it's fixed in the newer branch | 07:50 |
| jdahlin | seb128: they're incompatible yes, but parallel installable | 07:50 |
| dholbach | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=sourcenames&version=all&exact=1&keywords=psycopg2 | 07:51 |
| dholbach | it's in debian already | 07:51 |
| seb128 | let's ask for a sync then | 07:51 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: i'll download, testbuild it and file a sync-request bug | 07:51 |
| jdahlin | dholbach: thanks! | 07:53 |
| dholbach | anytime! | 07:53 |
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| jdahlin | dholbach: haw haw haw | 07:54 |
| dholbach | :-D | 07:54 |
| jdahlin | dholbach: debian version is slightly old btw, 2.0.4 vs 2.0.5 | 07:54 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: i'd prefer to get it in like this first, then do an update | 07:54 |
| jdahlin | dholbach: cool | 07:55 |
| dholbach | jdahlin: i made a note to look at the new version | 07:55 |
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| Mithrandir | jdahlin: 52 days to go | 08:03 |
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| pitti | Kamion: how is the apport-ubiquity bonding doing? anything that I should modify? | 08:15 |
| pygi | sivang, poke? can we get it in universe this week pls? :) | 08:17 |
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| DaSkreech | What's the command to reprogram ubotu? | 08:20 |
| pygi | DaSkreech, you use forget, then add factoid | 08:20 |
| DaSkreech | ok thanks | 08:20 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: that seems like ages | 08:39 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it does. | 08:44 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: do you run edgy on your amd64 monster yet? | 08:44 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: not yet, though I suspect the time is close | 08:48 |
| Keybuk | why? | 08:48 |
| ivoks | hi | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I just had my amd64 machine fail to start X because it had loaded nvidia.ko version 71XX, which is utterly ancient, so I wondered if you'd seen the same. | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | I switched to upstart today, but apart from that haven't done anything which should have gotten me such an old driver. | 08:48 |
| Keybuk | how is such an old driver even on your system? | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | no idea. | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | I didn't think it was. :-P | 08:48 |
| pygi | Keybuk, I think this scdbackup problem should be solved by Thomas, this has nothing to do with upstart :P | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | where did you get the version from? | 08:49 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: X complained so I read it from the log. | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | pygi: I strongly suspect it doesn't | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: modinfo nvidia says? | 08:49 |
| pygi | Keybuk, I'll be poking Thomas (scdbackup author about this) | 08:49 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: doesn't give me any version info? | 08:49 |
| Mithrandir | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.17-6-amd64-k8/volatile/nvidia.ko | 08:50 |
| Mithrandir | which looks correct | 08:50 |
| Keybuk | pygi: though I have a hunch he didn't read the instructions and just installed upstart and not upstart-compat-sysv :p | 08:50 |
| Kamion | pitti: just waiting for the bug reporting workflow to get polished up, really ... | 08:50 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: yo | 08:50 |
| Mithrandir | rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia "fixed" the problem, though | 08:50 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: so, now you're back, can I make a slight seed change? :p | 08:50 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: now, _that_ is interesting | 08:50 |
| pygi | Keybuk, heh :P | 08:50 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: I assume you have no other nvidia.ko on your system? | 08:50 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: another + for upstart; it runs rc.local before gdm; that's great | 08:51 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: go for it | 08:51 |
| Kamion | "slight" | 08:51 |
| Keybuk | nvidia_legacy shows up as nvidia in the lsmod output, doesn't it? | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I'm running a find / now, but I none that I know of, no. | 08:51 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: it does? it shouldn't | 08:51 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, just replacing one line for another <g> | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | /lib/modules/2.6.17-6-amd64-k8/volatile/nvidia.ko is all the nvidia.ko-s I have. | 08:51 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: well, my rc.local does cping of xorg.conf and restarts gdm | 08:51 |
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| gnomefreak | the binary drivers from nvidia get rid of the volatile error | 08:52 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: it never restarts gdm, but it copys xorg.conf before starting gdm | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: uh, I have a 7600 GT, I really hope I don't need -legacy for that. :-P | 08:52 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: no, but it could be the legacy stuff blowing chunks? | 08:52 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: err, explain? | 08:52 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: i have xen and ubuntun kernel; on ubuntu kernel i use nvidia; on xen kernel i use nv | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: conceivably, yes. | 08:53 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: when starting xen i sed xorg.conf to load nv; and other way around for ubuntu kernel | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: ok ... | 08:53 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: so, it does that seding (which is in rc.local) before starting gdm | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: did you move where rc.local is run in rc2.d? | 08:54 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: no | 08:54 |
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| Keybuk | ivoks: so why is that happening before gdm is started? | 08:54 |
| Keybuk | gdm is started at S13, rc.local doesn't happen until S99 ? | 08:55 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: i know, but this is what happens :/ | 08:55 |
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| ivoks | Keybuk: i'll investigate more, and let you know | 08:55 |
| gnomefreak | are we waiting for the nvidia 9 series before we update nvidia. iirc oct. is the prospected release of 9 | 08:55 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: are you sure gdm isn't just dying because of the wrong driver? | 08:56 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: screen would flickr; it doesn't | 08:56 |
| gnomefreak | ivoks: after updateing dbus by chance? | 08:56 |
| slomo | gnomefreak: gdm doesn't do anything with dbus | 08:57 |
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| ivoks | Keybuk: but i'll investigate that and let you know if there's need to think about it :0 | 08:57 |
| ivoks | gnomefreak: ? | 08:57 |
| gnomefreak | slomo: thats what i thought too but it screwed up the nvidia binary drivers only vesa would work after dbus update | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: well, on a reboot it worked.. | 08:57 |
| gnomefreak | nv didnt work either | 08:57 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: could be that I'm missing something | 08:57 |
| slomo | gnomefreak: impossible imho... it must be something else that broke the drivers | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I'll prod you or somebody else if I see it again. | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | ivoks: suddenly lots of people are having nvidia problems :p | 08:57 |
| gnomefreak | slomo: had to reinstall the drivers the other day | 08:58 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: i'm not having nvidia problems :)) | 08:58 |
| jdong | ATI! ATI! ATI! | 08:58 |
| jdong | j/k :) | 08:58 |
| ivoks | otoh, i'm planing to buy laptop with intel :) | 08:58 |
| gnomefreak | only updates were dbus and avahi | 08:58 |
| jdong | Keybuk: doesn't gnomefreak's statement sound familiar? ;) | 08:58 |
| jdong | lol | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, now I should be able to play with Xen. | 08:58 |
| jdong | ivoks: have fun in 915resolution-land? ;) | 08:59 |
| Keybuk | jdong: heh | 08:59 |
| slomo | gnomefreak: maybe you already had new nvidia driver but didn't restart X yet? i find it hard to believe that dbus broke X drivers :P unless the nvidia drivers use hal | 08:59 |
| pygi | jdong, yes, movie sending over dbus :) | 08:59 |
| ivoks | jdong: that's nothing like now; will it suspend or not; should i even try? :) | 08:59 |
| gnomefreak | slomo: nope i was using them for a week bufore this happened | 08:59 |
| jdong | ivoks: hehehe..... intel video doesn't guarantee suspending either | 08:59 |
| jdong | ivoks: on my intel, X crashes on resume | 09:00 |
| jdong | so I might as well friggin reboot :) | 09:00 |
| gnomefreak | slomo: the nvidia drivers had to build modules and everything else would dbus mess with any of those? (drivers from nvidia.com | 09:00 |
| ivoks | jdong: that's your intel, mine will not be anything like that :D | 09:00 |
| angasule | I installed kubuntu in spanish on saturday, and I noticed that it wants to download a 200MB language pack, there should be a less fracked up way of doing a language specific install (we had to give an extra CD with a script that added that package as well as some others, when we gave away linux here) | 09:00 |
| jdong | ivoks: lucky you... Strangely my fglrx suspends wonderfully | 09:00 |
| slomo | gnomefreak: nope, absolutely not | 09:00 |
| jdong | slomo: everything is better when your dbus upload takes the blame ;-) | 09:01 |
| === jdong ducks | ||
| gnomefreak | lol | 09:01 |
| slomo | jdong: yeah i already noticed it :) it's always dbus' fault ;) | 09:02 |
| slomo | jdong: but your bug from yesterday could really be caused by dbus | 09:02 |
| gnomefreak | well i know avahi had nothing at all to do with anything dbus was only other update. dbus required restart and no gdm/kdm/xdm after about 45 minutes i reinstalled the drivers and poof X wordked | 09:03 |
| jdong | :) | 09:03 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 09:03 |
| gnomefreak | i wanna say it was saterday | 09:03 |
| Keybuk | something freaky has clearly gone on | 09:03 |
| gnomefreak | saturday | 09:03 |
| jdong | Keybuk: you said it | 09:04 |
| jdong | Keybuk: did you see #kubuntu-devel a few minutes ago? | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | no? | 09:05 |
| jdong | [14:53] * mornfall summons Riddell | 09:05 |
| jdong | [14:54] * DaSkreech draws Circles on the floor and sprinkles salt | 09:05 |
| jdong | [14:54] * mornfall puts 5 candles on the Circle and draws lines | 09:05 |
| jdong | you guys are all weird :P | 09:05 |
| Keybuk | hmm? | 09:05 |
| jdong | but seriously.... I'm not crazy when I say that something broke yesterday :) | 09:06 |
| jdong | and got magically fixed | 09:06 |
| jdong | I've been unable to reproduce my dbus problems :-/ | 09:06 |
| jdong | tried everything | 09:06 |
| ivoks | it's the devil, i tell you, the devil | 09:06 |
| jdong | lol | 09:06 |
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| dholbach | good night | 09:15 |
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| jdub | Keybuk!!! | 10:15 |
| jdub | * Added upstart-compat-sysv to minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal- | 10:15 |
| jdub | powerpc, minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc | 10:15 |
| jdub | * Added upstart to minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal-powerpc, | 10:15 |
| jdub | minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc | 10:15 |
| jdub | * Removed sysvinit from minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal-powerpc, | 10:15 |
| jdub | minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc, minimal-hppa | 10:15 |
| jdub | 10:15 | |
| jdub | !!! | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | jdub: three exclamation marks? | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | SIX exclamation marks? | 10:15 |
| pitti | jdub: afraid? :) | 10:15 |
| tseng | pitti: i am :( | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | it passed the Tollef test | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | he has installed it, and I have remained unbitten | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | actually, in general, I'm really happy with how stable it's been | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | clearly careful, tes | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | test-driven development is a goog thing | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | good | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | meh | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: usplash doesn't seem to work now, though. | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | can't type and cook curry | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: I think that's entirely a usplash problem, given it starts before init :p | 10:17 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: for me neither, but it segfaulted before upstart for me, too | 10:17 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: itz svgalib bug for me; for you, too? | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: unsure, I have just noticed it doesn't work. | 10:18 |
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| tseng | pitti: it does bad stuff to my vts | 10:18 |
| Keybuk | pitti: nah, breaks for everyone afaict | 10:18 |
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| slomo | pitti: broken for me too on my ibook | 10:19 |
| pitti | on amd64 at least | 10:19 |
| pitti | same here | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: you're using nvidia too? | 10:19 |
| Kamion | I think at this point we should make the call based on its state at feature freeze | 10:19 |
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| Kamion | if it's still broken then, we revert to VGA if that fixes it | 10:19 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: 'using' in the sense of "I have an nvidia card" | 10:19 |
| Keybuk | pitti: it's not so much mjg59 that would mind, as sabdfl and the art team *shrug* | 10:20 |
| Kamion | artwork is a feature ... | 10:20 |
| Keybuk | personally I'm all for the "use the usplash that works" | 10:20 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: mjg59 had some trouble with nvidia cards before. | 10:20 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: Matthew and I gdb'ed it for a fair while, but then we just gave up | 10:20 |
| Keybuk | talking of which | 10:20 |
| Keybuk | has anyone seen any sign of the increasingly mythical artwork? :p | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: no, usplash doesn't work, so.. :-P | 10:21 |
| pitti | it just falls apart in the real mode emulation code, or something like that | 10:21 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: trying to run usplash when X is running made my kernel unhappy, though. | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | as in, "oops" | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: heh, yeah | 10:21 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I saw usplash, then later text mode output, and now, with upstart, no output at all any more ;) does that count as mythical? :-p | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | it does that | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | even to plain X drivers | 10:21 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: it's mystical enough in the sense of 'WTF is this machine doing now?' :) | 10:22 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it used to work fine, though. | 10:23 |
| Seveas | Mithrandir, ati card? | 10:25 |
| Seveas | it happens to me too quite frequently | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | Seveas: nope, nvidia. | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I have rebooted some more times and not seen the nvidia problem any more, so I guess it was just a fluke. | 10:26 |
| Seveas | speaking of usplash -- /me should finish some more patches for it | 10:26 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: lots of people have seen that fluke :-/ | 10:27 |
| Seveas | Keybuk, btw, I have some usplash artwork for you | 10:28 |
| Seveas | the patches I'm finishing are making sure people can actually create artwork for it without any heroic efforts ;) | 10:28 |
| Keybuk | Seveas: why for me? | 10:29 |
| Seveas | <Keybuk> talking of which | 10:29 |
| Seveas | <Keybuk> has anyone seen any sign of the increasingly mythical artwork? : | 10:29 |
| Keybuk | Seveas: isn't is supposed to be uploaded by now? | 10:30 |
| Keybuk | Feature Freeze is a mere 1590 minutes away | 10:30 |
| Seveas | Keybuk, well, the things I am still working on could be considered patches, they don't affect functionality -- the things I talked about earlier are now entirely mjg59's issue ;) | 10:31 |
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| Seveas | @calc 1590/60 | 10:31 |
| Ubugtu | 26.5 | 10:31 |
| Seveas | hmm, little over a day | 10:32 |
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| Seveas | pitti, Mithrandir: are you on amd64? I noticed a bug on LP about usplash crashing on that platform | 10:35 |
| pitti | Seveas: yes (see backscroll) | 10:35 |
| Seveas | ah yes, missed that line | 10:35 |
| Mithrandir | Seveas: yes | 10:36 |
| Seveas | is indeed an svgalib bug, missing -fPIC at places | 10:36 |
| Seveas | patch available at aforementioned bugreport | 10:36 |
| pitti | should it be that easy? | 10:36 |
| pitti | wow | 10:36 |
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| pitti | Seveas: gdb crashes on some ridiculously low address here (0x40 or so), according to mjg59 that was due to some real mode emulation code which doesn't work on amd64; funny that PIC cures that | 10:37 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: er, isn't FF on Thursday? | 10:37 |
| Seveas | pitti, according to the people on that bugreport -fPIC fixes it | 10:37 |
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| pitti | Seveas: cool | 10:37 |
| cbx33 | Kamion, I thought it was Fri | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | put it this way, I hope it was Friday :p | 10:38 |
| Kamion | cbx33: normally Thursday | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | aARGH ! | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | I'm never gonna make it | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | heh, guess I'd better stop chattin and start coding | 10:38 |
| Kamion | infinity: speaking of which, what's the state of the live CD specs? | 10:38 |
| _ion | keybuk: Is there high priority stuff in upstart TODO that can't be implemented after feature freeze? | 10:39 |
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| Seveas | not too much green... | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | the spec I'm working on isn't even approved yet | 10:42 |
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| Kamion | oh well | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | hey popey | 10:43 |
| jdub | Kamion: bummer :( | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | ogra was waiting for mdz to approve the SCP sec | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | spec | 10:44 |
| Kamion | jdub: just too much stuff in it ... | 10:44 |
| Kamion | I'll keep working on it so hopefully I'll be able to merge it early in edgy+1 | 10:44 |
| Kamion | and this frees me up to help with other things | 10:45 |
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| Kamion | notably I think I need to hammer on sane-installer-keyboard over the next couple of days | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: did that f-spot UVF request make it to your inbox? | 10:47 |
| popey | hey cbx33 | 10:48 |
| cbx33 | howz it going popey ? | 10:48 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: doesn't look like it | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | ok, no surprise, I'll file it as a bug | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | and then consider switching ISPs :) | 10:50 |
| popey | cbx33: got a bug in 2.6.17 :( | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ohdear | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | popey, what's the bug in? | 10:53 |
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| popey | via-rhine driver or thereabouts | 10:54 |
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| popey | well, not specifically that driver because that hasn't changed for years :) | 10:55 |
| popey | but something networky, laptop /win 20 | 10:55 |
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| popey | bah | 10:55 |
| popey | bug 58469. | 10:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58469 in linux-source-2.6.17 "via-rhine net card stopped working in 2.6.17" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58469 | 10:56 |
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| cbx33 | :( | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion: is the windows version of OO.o still on the cd? | 11:00 |
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| zyga | hey | 11:00 |
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| jott | any chance bug 51893 will get fixed anytime soon? | 11:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51893 in aptitude "aptitude pegs cpu for extended period of time on "aptitude upgrade"" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51893 | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | in gconf, If I specify a mandatory repo path, does it have to be "setup" before I can use it? | 11:06 |
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| Kamion | Burgundavia: doesn't look like it; look at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/*.list etc. if you want to check a particular image | 11:22 |
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| Burgundavia | Kamion: ok, I was wondering, because somebody wanted a CD to hand out with OO.o on it | 11:27 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: isn't it "start of Thursday" ? | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | _ion: most of the TODO at this point is post-feature-freeze | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | _ion: am unsure whether to abandon b-m-l at this point, or request a stay of absence on it for a few days | 11:29 |
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| Burgundavia | Kamion: just in time for it to be too late: gparted 0.3 | 11:32 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: right, but that's not 26 hours away, so your maths is off somewhere | 11:35 |
| Kamion | Burgundavia: hmm, the changelog is not enthralling | 11:36 |
| Kamion | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=444805&group_id=115843 | 11:37 |
| Kamion | maybe the NTFS bug fixes would be a good idea | 11:37 |
| Kamion | I might pull it in, dunno | 11:37 |
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