[12:13] <ompaul> sladen, u finsihed?
[12:14] <ompaul> theCore, are you finished?
[12:14] <theCore> ompaul, yes
[12:15] <ompaul> so its just sladen left
[12:16] <theCore> well, that was fun
[12:17] <ompaul> it was
[12:17] <theCore> I'm looking forward that libgobby
[12:17] <theCore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue12
[12:17] <ompaul> well it might be interesting
[12:18] <theCore> where's the screenshot?
[12:18] <theCore> for gobby?
[12:18] <ompaul> sladen, ??
[12:19] <ompaul> I made one 
[12:19] <ompaul> how do I upload it to that
[12:20] <theCore> More Actions -> Attachments
[12:23] <ompaul> Burgundavia, my part looks all broken there was it reverted?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> ompaul: ya, I just noticed that. For some reason I lost the last half an hour
[12:23] <Burgundavia> do you have a newer saved version?
[12:23] <ompaul> I did not save it locally
[12:23] <ompaul> :-(
[12:23] <Burgundavia> oh crap
[12:23] <sladen> ompaul: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/fridge/uwn-gobby.png
[12:23] <ompaul> again
[12:24] <Burgundavia> sladen: do you have a saved version?
[12:24] <sladen> who was running the server?
[12:24] <theCore> I did
[12:24] <Burgundavia> can you edit the wiki page and replace my text with yours?
[12:24] <sladen> no, somebody closed the server so it all vanished
[12:25] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:25] <Burgundavia> theCore: hold off
[12:25] <sladen> I've been on the phone for the last hour
[12:25] <theCore> ok
[12:26] <theCore> my last saved version is 10 min ago
[12:26] <Burgundavia> that is new enough'
[12:26] <Burgundavia> can you copy to the wiki page?
[12:26] <sladen> it really needs an auto-save
[12:27] <theCore> yes
[12:27] <Burgundavia> sladen: bzr
[12:27] <sladen> or even a record of all the insertions/deletions wouldn't be that big
[12:27] <sladen> Burgundavia: yup, bzr weave format could store it
[12:27] <Burgundavia> theCore and sladen, can you join #ubuntu-marketing ?
[12:27] <sladen> Burgundavia: do we /need/ to
[12:29] <Burgundavia> sladen: we talk about UWN there, it being a marketing project
[12:29] <sladen> "we"
[12:29] <Burgundavia> ompaul, jenda, ponigru, myself
[03:52] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-September/000052.html
[04:14] <Plug> Is that finished?
[04:14] <Plug> released?
[04:14] <Plug> with a FIXME still in it? :)
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:27] <nixternal> hey, how come only Ubuntu got a link and what not to the Edgy Release?  There was Kubuntu, Edubuntu and XUbuntu as well
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> details, details :p
[04:29] <LaserJock> it's the edgy version ;-)
[04:29] <LaserJock> mistakes are allowed
[04:29] <nixternal> i guess it is time to make a Kubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[04:29] <Plug> I don't think separation like that is good for the overall Ubuntu community, nixternal
[04:29] <nixternal> well, as it stands the UWN is Ubuntu only
[04:29] <LaserJock> heh
[04:29] <LaserJock> nah
[04:29] <nixternal> except for the Kubuntu project part at the "bottom"
[04:30] <nixternal> and the Edubuntu and Xubuntu projects at the "bottom"
[04:30] <nixternal> ;)
[04:30] <nixternal> hehe
[04:30] <LaserJock> UWN started because there were individual newsletters already
[04:30] <nixternal> i like the SoC project links though..now i have a central place to watch them develop
[04:30] <LaserJock> it mentions Kubuntu and Edubuntu stuff often
[04:30] <LaserJock> and probably Xubuntu in proportion to activity
[04:30] <nixternal> im just jokin', but still, they pimped only the Ubuntu Edgy Release..there were 3 other releases as well
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all. enjoy your discusion :)
[04:31] <nixternal> later ;)
[04:31] <Plug> Ubuntu is the name for the base distro as well as "the GNOME version"
[04:31] <nixternal> hmmm...but there are other download pages
[04:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:33] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-2/
[04:33] <nixternal> ^^ show joe blow how to download Edubuntu from that link
[04:33] <LaserJock> but as you know, nixternal, the UWN is open to editing :-)
[04:33] <nixternal> ya, but i was sleeping during the editing times, and afk at other times ;)
[04:34] <Plug> nixternal: Joe Blow doesn't want Edubuntu
[04:34] <LaserJock> excuses, excuses
[04:34] <nixternal> why not?
[04:34] <LaserJock> Plug: of course he does :-)
[04:34] <nixternal> exactly, typical gnome users
[04:34] <LaserJock> for his kids
[04:34] <Plug> Tom Teacher does
[04:34] <nixternal> everyone wants Edubuntu
[04:34] <nixternal> my daughter is 10, far from a teacher
[04:34] <LaserJock> ah, well that to
[04:34] <Plug> it's a bit more speciailist than the general Ubuntu
[04:35] <LaserJock> yeah, but it is applicable to a lot of people
[04:35] <nixternal> ok, show joe blow with a pII how to download Xubuntu from that link then
[04:35] <Plug> this could be solved by having links to the other distros on that releases page
[04:35] <Plug> my point is
[04:35] <nixternal> i used Edubuntu + KDE Edu here
[04:35] <nixternal> i love it
[04:35] <Plug> is how does Joe Blow with a PII know he -wants- Xubuntu
[04:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:35] <Plug> you have to know you want it, to get it
[04:35] <nixternal> you tell him about it
[04:35] <Plug> and then because he knows the name, he goes to the Xubuntu download page
[04:36] <Plug> that you told him to go to
[04:36] <nixternal> so just because joe blow doesn't know about Xubuntu, we should push Ubuntu down his throat?
[04:36] <LaserJock> it would be nice to have one page for the releases that then links to the various things
[04:36] <LaserJock> there really isn't a reason not to
[04:36] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think
[04:36] <nixternal> It would be nice to list "Ubuntu - desc", "Kubuntu - desc", "Edubuntu - desc", and "Xubuntu - desc"
[04:36] <nixternal> desc + link
[04:36] <Plug> to be perfectly (and blatantly honest) I loved Ubuntu when it took away the confusion of "oh my god, which one do I want"
[04:36] <Plug> and now its all back again
[04:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: exactly
[04:37] <Plug> now, if you're going to say "New users should start with:" which one do you recommend, nixternal, and why?
[04:37] <nixternal> Desc == Ubuntu is a fully functional operating system utilizing the Gnome Desktop - Link
[04:37] <nixternal> New users should start with windows, because Linux isn't ready for them yet
[04:38] <nixternal> at times i hate being honest
[04:38] <LaserJock> haha
[04:38] <Plug> s/New users/New Linux users/ if you like
[04:38] <nixternal> hehe
[04:38] <Plug> My answer to that is "whatever version your smart friend tells you to download"
[04:38] <nixternal> i dont' recommend, i show them and let them decide
[04:38] <nixternal> thats like telling a chevy dealer to recommend a ford
[04:39] <nixternal> i give them the pros and cons of each os..and then tell them how great Kubuntu is and hte rest sux0r:
[04:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:39] <LaserJock> the problem is that Ubuntu and Kubuntu really don't have much to distinguish themselves to people who don't even know what Gnome or KDE are
[04:39] <nixternal> true
[04:39] <LaserJock> with Xubuntu and Edubuntu at least there is something there
[04:39] <LaserJock> low spec, and educational
[04:39] <nixternal> except Amarok totally owns any music app in Ubuntu ;)
[04:40] <nixternal> i was a Rythmbox fan, up until 2 months ago honestly
[04:40] <LaserJock> heh, I was quite fond of a CLI music player for a while
[04:40] <nixternal> cli becomes a pain when you are dealing with 200+ GB of music
[04:40] <LaserJock> not really for me
[04:40] <LaserJock> the only way I ever play music is "random shuffle"
[04:41] <nixternal> and don't say "shuffle" either
[04:41] <nixternal> hehe
[04:41] <nixternal> argh
[04:41] <nixternal> you said it
[04:41] <LaserJock> yep
[04:41] <LaserJock> that's me
[04:41] <nixternal> well, i usually shuffle, but there is that time i get in the mood for a certain tune
[04:41] <LaserJock> with CLI though I could log in and out of Gnome or KDE or whatever and still listen to my music
[04:41] <Plug> I almost always use beep-media-player (xmms-gtk2)
[04:41] <nixternal> for instance..my new favorite song right now
[04:41] <Plug> but thats all beside the point
[04:41] <Plug> nixternal would probably recommend his friends who wanted to try Linux, run Kubuntu
[04:42] <nixternal> this song rocks
[04:42] <LaserJock> I really wouldn't know what to recomend to people
[04:42] <LaserJock> I tell them a little about both and let them decide I suppose
[04:42] <nixternal> well, if a person is switching from Window, I would definitely recommend Kubuntu w/ Royale KBFX theme
[04:42] <Plug> I recommend the one that I use, so if they have problems, I can help them through it
[04:42] <nixternal> that way there their transition is smooth
[04:42] <LaserJock> Plug: good point
[04:43] <Plug> at the end of the day Ubuntu was founded around GNOME and its release cycle, and it's always the "first class citizen", so I don't think that every release notes should have to link to all four distros
[04:43] <Plug> links should exist to the three derivatives
[04:44] <Plug> I'll file a bug on the release page
[04:44] <nixternal> well, the actual release page is good, the UWN page isn't...and the testing pages have been seperated
[04:45] <nixternal> Corey did Ubuntu and I did Kubuntu
[04:45] <nixternal> just so everyone knows, I run all 4 versions here...I am Ubuntu through and through, but I have been with KDE since v1
[04:45] <Plug> yes, but because of the distinction
[04:45] <nixternal> and truthfully..for the longest time, i thought KDE and GNOME both blew, and that afterstep was the only way to go ;)
[04:45] <Plug> (or rather lack thereof) when you say "ubuntu", what am I to think?
[04:46] <nixternal> exactly
[04:46] <Plug> does ubuntu imply GNOME, and != kubuntu?
[04:46] <nixternal> Operating system wise yes
[04:46] <nixternal> Community wise, different story
[04:47] <nixternal> Ubuntu is either "Humanity towards others" or it is the Operating system based on Debian Linux featuring the GNOME Desktop
[04:47] <Plug> That is a job for the marketing team :)
[04:47] <nixternal> hehe
[04:47] <nixternal> good luck there Plug ;)
[04:47] <Plug> I read someone a while ago recommend renaming them Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu KDE, Ubuntu Education etc
[04:48] <nixternal> we just might have a better chance of getting Bill Gates to switch to Ubuntu
[04:48] <Plug> xubuntu == Ubuntu Lite I guess
[04:48] <nixternal> ya
[04:48] <nixternal> but now, there is Fluxbuntu which would also == Ubuntu Lite
[04:49] <nixternal> truthfully, I like that whole Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu KDE, Ubuntu Edu, and Ubuntu Lite
[04:49] <Plug> But whats a GNOME?  What's a KDE?
[04:50] <Plug> What do they tell people?
[04:50] <nixternal> exactly
[04:50] <nixternal> i was just thinking that as well...you are back in the same spot, just with different names again
[04:50] <nixternal> this could truthfully be a roundtable/sprint all in its own
[04:51] <nixternal> then again, you have to look...we may see it as kind of screwy and what not..however, it seems the popularity keeps increasing and we are gaining space slowly but surely in the desktop market
[04:54] <Plug> I liked the idea of getting rid of GNOME vs Gnome by changing the name to "Desktop" or "OpenDesktop" or something snazzy
[05:20] <Plug> nixternal: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/58800
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58800 in ubuntu-website "Release page should link to other derivatives" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:21] <nixternal> hehe
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58807 in ubuntu-doc "Gia de el servidor: Seccion 5.2 en ingls" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58807
[07:26] <nixternal> Madpilot: ^^ that has your name written all over it ;)
[07:27] <Madpilot> ... I speak enough Spanish to politely order Coke or beer. I don't think this bug report qualifies...
[07:31] <nixternal> lol
[07:32] <Madpilot> Adding "Un cerveza, por favour" to a bug report would be amusing, but probably not helpful
[07:32] <nixternal> if you did that, then i could confirm the order ;)
[07:33] <Madpilot> then we'd both catch hell for making fun of Spanish speaking Ubuntu users, or something ;)
[07:33] <nixternal> ya, very true
[07:34] <nixternal> probably would stop my ubuntu-qa membership from going through as well...especially after i told simon i would be curteous ;)
[07:44] <nixternal> hey, would it be ok if i asked that guy if he could translate that section in plain text and send it back to me?
[07:44] <nixternal> or does it have to go through rosetta?
[07:46] <nixternal> actually...it is fixed..just hasn't been updated tot he pdf
[07:46] <nixternal> i got this ;)
[07:47] <Madpilot> cool
[07:47] <Madpilot> have fun
[07:47] <nixternal> i don't have svn access so i can't, but i can...
[07:48] <Madpilot> send the patch to the list, someone will add it to svn. I've got svn access, but I'm not sure if I remember how to handle a patch...
[07:48] <nixternal> mdke: ping?   bug 58807 - the fix is in 'generic/serverguide/es' however, the PDF hasn't been updated to reflect it, i issued the "Fix Release"
[07:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58807 in ubuntu-doc "Gia de el servidor: Seccion 5.2 en ingls" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58807
[07:48] <Madpilot> besides, I'm not sober currently :)
[07:48] <nixternal> don't need to send the patch
[07:48] <nixternal> i fixed all of those a month ago
[07:48] <nixternal> the PDF needs to be regenerated
[07:49] <Madpilot> ah, that is mdke's province, the lucky man.
[07:49] <nixternal> hehe yup
[07:50] <nixternal> why can't all bugs be that easy?
[07:58] <nixternal> wow
[07:58] <nixternal> steve irwin died today
[07:58] <Madpilot> yup. see the topic in #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> heh, that is nuts
[08:02] <Madpilot> well, after about the sixth person in ten minutes mentioned the crock bloke in -offtopic, I thought an addition to the topic was in order ;)
[08:03] <nixternal> hahah
[08:03] <nixternal> man...i went like an idiot like it was new stuff and told everyone..they are like /topic moron
[08:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:12] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:19] <Madpilot> night nixternal 
[08:45] <mdke> nixternal: sounds fine
[10:04] <Burgundavia> hey jono
[10:04] <jono> hey Burgundavia 
[05:48] <nixternal> good morning
[05:51] <osg> good morning
[08:52] <Burgundavia> mdke: we now have a really nice collision of issues. Our stuff is gfdl and ccbya, the book is ccbysa and the gnome stuff is gfdl and we want all of them
[08:52] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:13] <sladen> none-GPL or BSD/Public domain stuff is a real PITA