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Hobbseehey all12:41
geserhello12:43
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phanatichey Hobbsee12:44
Hobbseehey phanatic, geser12:46
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geserwhat's the best way to ask for an ACK for a sync request?12:55
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gesersomerville32: does bug 58493 still exists with dapper-updates for universe?01:32
UbugtuMalone bug 58493 in Ubuntu "Broken Package: totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5849301:32
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somerville32Geser: I just got home so I dunno <g>01:34
somerville32I'll have to take a look01:34
geserok, no hurry01:34
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neutrinomasswhen a package has an icon in /usr/share/foobar/blah/icon.png and we also want the icon in /usr/share/applications, is duplication or a symlink preferred? Is there a specific way the symlink should be created ?02:58
zakamehi all! :D03:00
zakameneutrinomass: hmm dh_link? dh_installsomething could do too :D03:00
neutrinomassahh, dh_link sounds good :)03:01
sladenneutrinomass: I don't know of any reason not to do a symlink03:04
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neutrinomassOK. Just double checking, given that I've got close to zero packaging experience ....03:06
neutrinomassI thought I had heard something about avoiding symlinks, but it was probably in a different context (heh, or I'm imagining things :-) )03:07
zakamefor some stuff, yes; iirc elisp packages for example03:08
sladenneutrinomass: do it, and see if anyone complains :)03:13
neutrinomassOk, although I don't think anybody will object (it's a menu icon for an obscure package nobody even uses ;) )03:15
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Cogito_ergo_sumhi good night03:40
=== Cogito_ergo_sum ha vuelto ( Ausente 51 mins 5 secs )
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Cogito_ergo_sumbuenas noches... algun mentor que sea de habla hispana?03:45
bddebianHeya gang03:46
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welshbytehey bddebian03:52
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LaserJockCogito_ergo_sum: hablas ingls?03:52
bddebianHeya welshbyte03:53
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linlinHello04:47
linlinI'm wondering if someone would possibly build a program that is complatible for ubuntu and add it to the repos since I cant not appear to get it to work on my own.04:48
linlinIts for my friend in college, and we would both appreciate it alot if someone could help us out04:48
linlinThe program is IDEFisk, an IAX softphone04:49
linlinfor VoIP04:49
linlinI think it would make a good addition to the repos as well.04:49
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Hobbseehey all05:13
imbrandonheya Hobbsee05:13
Hobbseehi imbrandon05:13
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=== imbrandon just realized linux will be 15 years old in a few days
welshbytecool06:47
welshbytei'll be 24 in a few days :)06:48
grexklol06:48
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Hawkwindimbrandon: It already turned 15 about 5 - 6 days ago actually06:51
imbrandonnope the 17th is when he uploaded 0.106:52
imbrandonthe first time06:52
HawkwindHmmm, the article I read the other day posted by Linus said that on the day I read it was Linux's 15th b-day06:52
HawkwindI forget where I read it now, but it was an article by Linus himself06:53
imbrandonhttp://www.linux-aktivaattori.fi/projects/15_year_linux_birthday/   <-- finland celebrations06:53
imbrandonbbiab06:54
Hawkwindhttp://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/08/linux-15th-anniversary.html06:54
HawkwindAugust 25th, 1991 according to that06:54
welshbytelet's just celebrate for a whole month to make sure :)06:55
HawkwindHah, good idea06:56
imbrandon;)06:57
welshbyteg'night guys06:58
imbrandonHawkwind: ahh yea i just looked, thats when he was asking what poeple would have liked to see in it on the newsgroup but he never uploaded it to the public till the 17th of sept06:59
imbrandonanyhow its all gravy ;)06:59
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Kagouhi08:00
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Kagouraphink: around ?08:32
Sp4rKyKagou, so it's right, you upload in REVU now ?08:33
KagouSp4rKy: yes i can do uploads on revu. But for the moment i can't login on revu.tauware.de so i'm searching for an admin :)08:34
Sp4rKyKagou, why do you want login on revu ?08:35
Sp4rKyfor upload you just have to be a member on universe contributors08:35
Sp4rKyonly MOTU really have an account on REVU :)08:35
HobbseeMOTU isnt the same as universe contributers08:35
Sp4rKyan i think you're not one of them actually :)08:36
KagouSp4rKy: i can't open some files08:36
Sp4rKyKagou, you're an universe contributers, so you just (d)put your files on REVU08:36
Sp4rKyKagou, yes08:36
Sp4rKyKagou, but you can't run build process08:36
HobbseeKagou: the source.changes?  it's a permissions thing08:36
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Kagoui believe that if i login i can put comments on uploads no ?!08:37
Sp4rKyKagou, only motu have an account and can start a build/check process on packages08:37
FujitsuKagou, yes.08:37
Sp4rKyKagou, but you can be login _ONLY_ if you're a MOTU08:37
KagouSp4rKy: are you sure ?08:37
Sp4rKyyes08:37
Kagousr et certain ?!08:38
Sp4rKyHobbsee, right, i don't see wrong things ? :)08:38
Sp4rKyKagou, yes08:38
Kagouok :)08:38
HobbseeSp4rKy: define your "MOTU" - are you meaning the people who can upload straight to the archives, or the people in universe contributors?08:38
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Sp4rKyhobsee motu can upload on universe AND check the packages of other universe contributors and then upload to universe if packages seems good08:39
Sp4rKyand comment packages if not :)08:40
Sp4rKyKagou, Hobbsee gloubigoulga, Toadstool are MOTU's08:40
raphinkSp4rKy: anybody can login to REVU08:40
Sp4rKyme, mr_pouit, you ... are only universe contributors08:40
HobbseeSp4rKy: actually, anyone can check.  you guys dont get the button to advocate an upload08:40
raphinkas soon as they have uploaded one package08:40
Sp4rKyreally ?08:40
raphinkonly MOTUs can login in ssh to the machine though08:40
raphinkif they are given an account08:41
raphinkbut login in the web-based REVU system is for all uploaders08:41
Hobbseeraphink: hehe.  i was wondering, after i read that first line :P08:41
raphinkand yes Kagou, login allows you to comment on your own uploads only08:41
Kagouraphink: as described on wiki pages08:41
Kagouraphink: ok08:41
raphinkyes Kagou08:41
Hobbseeoh does it?08:41
Hobbseehmmm okay08:41
raphinknow what's your problem Kagou?08:41
Sp4rKyoups, i didn't know that08:42
raphinkyes, Hobbsee, unless you are marked as a reviewer08:42
Sp4rKybut what account need i use for revu so ?08:42
raphinkor, even, an admin08:42
Kagouraphink: recover password is crashed so i'm searching for an admin to create a password for me ?!08:42
Hobbseeraphink: ahh...08:42
raphinkwhat's your email-add?08:42
Sp4rKyis it the lp account ?08:42
raphinkSp4rKy: not yet08:42
Kagouraphink: vetsel.patrice@wanadoo.fr08:42
Sp4rKyraphink, so how can i create an acount on revu ?08:43
raphinkSp4rKy: upload a package08:43
Sp4rKyraphink, i ahve already upload a few packages08:44
raphinkand what's your GPG key Kagou?08:44
raphinkSp4rKy: then  you already have an account08:44
Sp4rKyraphink, but what's this account ?08:44
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Kagouraphink: https://launchpad.net/people/vetsel-patrice08:44
luckyonehey gang08:44
raphinkSp4rKy: read on wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU08:44
Sp4rKyi've no text under "Now paste the text below, and enter EOT<return>"08:46
Sp4rKy:/08:46
Sp4rKyi have to go08:46
Sp4rKyi'll check this later08:46
KagouSp4rKy: it's the problem since some days08:46
Sp4rKythx all08:46
Sp4rKyok08:46
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dholbachgood morning09:24
Kagouhi dholbach09:25
Hobbseehey dholbach09:25
dholbachhey Kagou, hey Hobbsee09:26
Mithrandirgood morning, Daniel09:27
dholbachhellas Tollef! :-)09:27
ivokshi all :)09:29
Hobbseehey ivoks09:29
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mick_homewell i see tht i have some reading to do from looking at the topic :)09:52
mick_homei just wanted to know if becoming an ubuntu dev is as insain as becoming a dd09:52
lifelessmick_home: a core dev - moreso if anything. Less time, more effort - you have to do shit.09:53
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lifelessmick_home: becoming a MOTU is much saner than becoming a DD09:53
mick_home:)09:53
lifelessyou can read about all this via the wiki09:53
slomomick_home: it's harder and a bit annoying... and probably more time-consuming ;)09:53
lifelesshttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU09:53
mick_homei'm reading09:53
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BollWhat's the most sensible approach for existing DD's to help out with maintaining the ubuntu-incarnations of their packages?09:57
BollThat info isn't immediately available on the wiki I think.09:57
lucasBoll: if your package has diverged in ubuntu, the best thing to do is to ping the last developer who touched your package10:00
lucasif it hasn't, and you just want it to be synced from Debian, just ask here10:00
imbrandonor if you want to actively maintain both you can also apply for MOTU ( it wouldent be much work if your a DD )10:01
imbrandonas you know most of the ropes etc10:01
BollWhat I really want is to be notified of bugs/divergences in ubuntu and fix it in Debian uploads.10:02
lifelessBoll: so we try to run with little-delta againt debian10:02
BollIf at all possible.10:02
lifelessBoll: I think you can set yourself as the bug contact on the package in malone10:03
lifelessBoll: then you'll be notified of all bugs, dunno about uploads - but filing a bug on soyuz is a good way to get that done [eventually] 10:03
imbrandonBoll: yea set your self as a bug contact and you can put a watch on the dir at patches.u.c10:03
lifeless(all bugs are sent to ubuntu-bugs automatically. They are additionally copied to the bug-contact for the package in the distro.10:03
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BollUhm, where to set myself as the bug contact :)10:04
MithrandirBoll: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianCollaboration is probably a useful starting point.10:04
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Tonio__hello10:04
imbrandond-lined ?10:04
BollMithrandir: I will definitely check that out10:04
imbrandonBoll: and if you notice one MOTU moreso than others uploads your packages more then you might poke them also to politely mail you ;)10:05
imbrandonthat wont work for all packages but some have not "maintainers" but people that regularly upload them10:06
Bollimbrandon: I cant seem to figure out where to go to set myself as the bug contact10:08
imbrandonok give me a package example and i'll walkyou through one10:08
imbrandonBoll: ^^10:08
Bollpan10:09
BollThat would seem to be the one most likely to be useful in ubuntu10:09
imbrandonok goto https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pan10:09
imbrandonand then see the "bugmail settings" in the very top left10:09
Bollyup.10:09
imbrandonclick that and add yourself10:09
Bolldoing that.10:10
imbrandonand also for any other packages/groups you want10:10
imbrandonthen you'll get copies of any bug reports ( with links ) in your email as they come in10:10
BollPerfect.10:11
imbrandonalso you can10:11
imbrandon....10:11
Bollyes?10:11
imbrandonkeep an eye on http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/pan/10:11
imbrandonor use like "websec"10:11
imbrandonto watch it10:12
imbrandonthats will have any patches that are applied to that package that arent in debian10:12
imbrandons/thats/that10:12
BollOk.10:12
imbrandonstandard pool layout for other packages10:12
Bollyup.10:13
imbrandon.oO ( hrm might not be a bad idea to brew up a script that can be run on cron to watch the patches.u.c )10:14
imbrandonmaybe some other time ;)10:14
imbrandonheh10:14
BollHow is ubuntu-specific stuff handled. Eg. http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/pan/pan_0.14.2.91-5ubuntu1.patch contains lines like X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain10:14
BollThat probably doesn't belong in a Debian package :)10:14
BollSo I should do parallel maintainance of ubuntu patches?10:15
imbrandonyou pick and choose what you want to put back in debian , then the next type its time to sync from debian "we" ( said witha grain of salt , e.g. a MOTU ) will compaire and drop our patch and only apply whats nessesary that you havent adopted upstream10:16
imbrandonsome packages will always have deltas , ok take for example ......10:16
imbrandoni maintain "apt-mirror" in both debian and ubuntu10:17
imbrandoni do all my changes ( as far as code etc ) to the debian package10:17
imbrandonupload it to unstable , then10:17
imbrandoni sync it to ubuntu and apply the one delta that will always be there ( becosue the config is debian / ubuntu spcific )10:18
imbrandonso best case senerio in that package there is only one delta, but best case overall there are 010:18
imbrandonfor something like kbfx ( another i watch )10:18
imbrandonits just streight syncd from unstable10:19
imbrandonbecouse we dont need any changes that upstream / debian hasent taken10:19
imbrandonthat make sense or am i rambling ?10:19
imbrandonheh10:19
BollThat makes perfect sense.10:19
imbrandon;) brb mt dew run to the fridge10:20
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BollSo, if I want to help out by maintaining/applying any necessary ubuntu-specific patches to the debian edition of the packages I maintain, I go through the MOTU stuff linked in the topic?10:21
imbrandonwell depends on what you mean, ok if i understand you correct your already a DD and have a package in mind say pan ( just to make this easy )10:22
imbrandonthen10:22
imbrandonthe best case would be for you to actively maintain it in debian ( and watch for patches.u.c ) and apply those to the debian package if they apply and arent ubuntu specific10:22
imbrandonthen if you also wish to doso you are more than welcom to apply for MOTU status and get direct upload to10:23
imbrandonubuntu and maintain it there also10:23
FujitsuAnd a DD should have no trouble achieving MOTUship :)10:23
BollThat's exactly what I would like to do.10:23
imbrandonapplying only what is specificly needed for ubuntu10:23
imbrandonor just syncing from unstable if no changes are needed10:23
imbrandonwell tbh if you are a DD its just learing the "ubuntu way" and that is simple10:24
BollI will take a stab at reading the MOTU documentation tonight10:24
imbrandonthen applying to the TB10:24
imbrandonyou shouldent have any problems10:24
FujitsuShouldn't the CC be dealt with first, for membership?10:25
imbrandonand feel free to ask , if someone is alive in here we'll help out any way we can10:25
BollYeah. Your help, and the overall attitude in here is much appreciated.10:25
imbrandontrue you will probably have to become a member first then a MOTU but its all formaities , you sign the CoC on LP and goto a CC meeting to become a member10:25
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sistpotyhi folks10:26
imbrandonheya sistpoty10:26
sistpotyh imbrandon10:26
siretartmoin sistpoty :)10:26
sistpotyhi siretart10:26
sistpoty:)10:26
Bollimbrandon: you might wanna expand those acronyms, given that I am a complete ubuntuy n00b.10:26
Boll-y10:26
FujitsuBoll, Code of Conduct, Launchpad, Community Council.10:26
imbrandonheh ok CoC Code of Conduct , LP Launchpad10:26
BollThanks :)10:26
imbrandonCC Community Counctil , TB Tech Board10:26
imbrandonsounds scary but MOTU is easier IMHO than DD10:27
imbrandon;)10:27
siretartDD Debian Developer10:27
imbrandonsiretart: hehe yea he IS a DD so i figured he knew that one ;)10:27
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mick_homethat part he gets ;)10:27
BollI will give it a try tonight. For now I should probably get back to hacking on .NET/C#10:28
siretartbecoming a DD takes a lot more time and energy than becoming a MOTU10:28
siretartoh. :)10:28
imbrandon;)10:28
Bollimbrandon: thanks for your help.10:28
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imbrandonBoll: np , stop in anytime and/or idle ;)10:28
imbrandonsiretart: we were going over what it would take to go from DD ( he is now ) to a MOTU10:29
imbrandon;)10:29
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siretartoh. I assume its quite easy, since contributions to debian are credited by the CC for ubuntu membership10:30
imbrandonyup yup10:30
imbrandonits realy all just formality stuff and learing the diffrences in the "ubuntu way"10:31
imbrandoneven though there isnt many10:31
siretartthe TB then checks if the candidate is able to teamwork with the other motus, which is verified by some other advocates on irc, usually10:31
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sistpotycya12:00
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henoHello12:04
henoAnyone have time to look at https://launchpad.net/people/onboard/+branch/onboard/main today?12:04
henoalso in REVU at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=299312:05
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tortoise_heno: I've corrected those packages on revu but it wont let me upload them.12:15
tortoise_I need an admin to try and fix it12:16
henotortoise_: do you have a login there (I can't even see where to register)12:16
henosiretart: are you able to help tortoise_ upload his updated package (to REVU)?12:17
tortoise_heno: Got to ask an admin.  The login just lets you comment on packages though.12:17
Fadehow do I find which patches were made against linux-image-2.6.17.6-powerpc shipped in the current knot2?12:18
siretartheno: /me looks12:18
tortoise_siretart: thanks12:18
slomofabo: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.1712:18
Fadeslomo -- thx12:19
Fadeincidentally, i think the initrd is bad. vfs can't mount root on reiserfs on my powerbook. :)12:19
siretarttortoise_: are you having problems uploading it to revu or doesn't your upload show up in revu?12:20
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tortoise_I have two problems. I have upload a package with the same name I get an ftp error. if I bump the version number it doesn't show up.12:21
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siretartah. I see12:21
siretartsyncing keyring now and trying to manually process lost uploads12:21
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tortoise_siretart: any joy?12:35
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siretarttortoise_: hang on, still processing12:44
=== ajmitch thought he'd cleared a few of the stale uploads & resynced the keyring just yesterday
ajmitchsiretart: what's the current issue with the lostpw.py? just things in the wrong place?12:45
Mithrandirajmitch: have you forgotten to push stuff to the networkauth repo?12:45
ajmitchMithrandir: things are at revno 86 there, right?12:46
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siretartajmitch: some scripts seem to have gotten lost during the svn->bzr conversion12:46
siretartajmitch: I'm currently moving, so my time is quite limited12:46
ajmitchok12:47
Mithrandirajmitch: I don't remember, I just remember the last commit being end of july or thereabouts.12:47
ajmitchfixed most of the bugs that showed up since then, which have stopped me from uploading - there have been a couple of delays along the way12:48
ajmitchnot nearly as good as I'd hoped it to be, but I'll keep at it12:48
siretarttortoise_: ok, queue cleared, feel free to reupload12:53
tortoise_siretart: thanks12:53
gesercould a motu please review the fix for bug 58564?01:07
UbugtuMalone bug 58564 in php4-yaz "php4-yaz won't install (broken dependency)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5856401:07
geserI try to get it included in dapper-updates01:07
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tortoise_siretart: No luck still not working :(01:20
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tortoise_uploads fine but revu doesn't show the change01:25
siretarttortoise_: what package did you upload?01:26
siretartdon't tell me virkey01:26
siretartvirtkey01:26
tortoise_yep01:26
siretartvirtkey_0.41_i386.changes01:27
tortoise_yep01:27
siretartdon't upload binaries, as we cannot review them01:27
tortoise_Uploading via ftp virtkey_0.41.dsc: done.01:27
tortoise_Uploading via ftp virtkey_0.41.orig.tar.gz: done.01:27
tortoise_Uploading via ftp virtkey_0.41.diff.gz: done.01:27
siretartthe processor only reacts to *_source.changes files. there is no point in uploading anything else as it keeps blocking further uploads01:27
ajmitchthat reminds me that I have to write that queue cleaner01:28
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siretarttortoise_: you did that on a _i386.changes file. don't do that. use '-S -sa' on debuild/dpkg-buildpackage01:28
siretartajmitch: just do it in a local branch, we can merge it in the production branch01:28
tortoise_oh ok, I was just using -sa.  apologies01:28
siretartno problem01:29
siretartit happens from time to time01:29
tortoise_siretart: Is it ready for me to try again or will that screw things further?01:31
siretarttortoise_: I cleaned, feel free to upload01:32
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ajmitchsiretart: ignore the f-spot binary upload, I'm just testing out a script :)01:39
siretartajmitch: no problem :)01:39
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lucasajmitch: note that your cdbs upload is not compliant with the new "log entries for merged packages" I've been pushing01:53
slomolucas: is my avahi and mono upload from yesterday fine? ;)01:56
lucasdidn't read it, sorry :)01:57
tortoise_Could anyone take a peak at my packages onboard and virtkey?01:58
ajmitchlucas: gee thanks02:02
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grandmaxbonjour02:03
grandmaxj'ai un problme, quelqu'un saurait m'aider ? je ne sais pas quoi faire d'un fichier bin pour installer un jeu sur ubuntu ( planeshift )02:04
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lucasgrandmax: use #ubuntu (english) or #ubuntu-fr (french) for this02:05
grandmaxoops sorry02:05
grandmaxso i go on french one :)02:06
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Hobbseehey all02:43
ajmitchhello Hobbsee02:44
zulhey crazy person02:44
Hobbseehehe02:44
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zulheh02:45
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geserwhat's the best way to ask for an ACK for a sync request?03:05
geserask here? do something else?03:05
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Hobbseegeser: ask here, or subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors03:30
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geserI've subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the both sync requests waiting for an ACK03:35
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=== Hobbsee should look at them.
gesercould a motu please review the fix for bug 58564 to get it included in dapper-updates?03:35
UbugtuMalone bug 58564 in php4-yaz "php4-yaz won't install (broken dependency)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5856403:35
Hobbseegeser: you'll have to talk to the archive admins for that03:36
geserI asked in #ubuntu-devel an pitti created an dapper task for it03:36
geserand told me I should look here for a review03:37
Hobbseeah03:40
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=== Hobbsee checks ussp-push
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Hobbseegeser: i just ack'd the other two listed as unconfirmed, subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  i wouldnt be confident to confirm the yaz one though, not knowing enough03:46
Hobbseehey ogra03:46
ograhey Hobbsee03:46
Hobbseeogra: likes reviewing things though :P03:48
ograsuure03:48
ograheh03:48
ograafter feature freeze :P03:48
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Hobbseeogra: :P03:49
Hobbseeogra: how are the features going?03:50
Hobbseeyay.  nothing listed as requiring sponsoring on that list now.03:50
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ogra*ltsp03:51
ograi heard you lost a national hero today :/03:52
kelmoto a sting ray no less . . .03:52
kelmothat guy was awesome03:53
Hobbseeogra: indeed.03:53
geserHobbsee: thanks for the ACKs03:54
geserHobbsee: have you a suggestion who should I ask about the review for php4-yaz?03:54
Hobbseegeser: not a problem03:54
Hobbseegeser: not really.  someone around here should do it03:55
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crimsungeser: for dapper-updates?04:12
geseryes, for dapper-updates04:18
geserdapper and edgy had the same problem04:18
geserfor edgy you already sponsored a package04:18
crimsunif you have a debdiff, e-mail mdz about it04:19
gesera debdiff is already attached to the bug04:20
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seaLneany revu admin feel like comenting on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3028 to say k3b 0.12.17 is already in the archive, and archiving k3b on revu?08:51
tortoise_Could anyone take a peak at my packages onboard and virtkey?08:57
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dholbachgood night09:16
dholbachtortoise_: I did and sent you a mail.09:16
dholbachtortoise_: (you and henrik)09:16
ryanakcawhy am I getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/160826 ?09:16
ryanakcahey dholbach09:16
tortoise_thanks dholbach09:16
tortoise_mail hasnt come through yet09:17
dholbachtortoise_: (I suppose you're Chris Jones, aren't you)?09:17
tortoise_dholbach: yes09:17
dholbachI sent to the address in debian/changelog09:17
dholbachhave a nice evening - see you tomorrow09:18
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ivokshttp://www.tortall.net/mu/wiki/Cankiri - someone should package this for revu, if interested09:23
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phanaticgood evening09:31
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ryanakcawhy am I getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/160826 when running cdbs-edit-patch 01-no-ferny-klogo.patch  ?09:51
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welshbytegood evening10:37
phanaticevening welshbyte10:40
welshbyteello phanatic10:40
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WhoopieLaserJock: did you hear anything related to the dapper-backports issue we discussed some days ago?11:46
LaserJockno11:48
|-|ankyes?11:48
ryanakcawhy am I getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/160826 when running cdbs-edit-patch 01-no-ferny-klogo.patch  ?11:51
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