[12:15] <TeePOG> are there no forums for edubuntu?
[12:20] <pygi> cbx33, poke?
[12:20] <pygi> TeePOG, just use ubuntu forums
[12:20] <cbx33> pygi, ouch
[12:21] <pygi> cbx33, thank you also ^_^ (/me just read the planet)
[12:21] <cbx33> heh
[12:21] <cbx33> np
[12:22] <TeePOG> pygi: all it says is "there will be an edubuntu forum when Dapper releases"... I've been using dapper since 2 days after release and still no forums
[12:22] <pygi> TeePOG, heh, poke the people :)
[12:23] <TeePOG> yah
[12:23] <pygi> TeePOG, as cbx33 told: tell them: somebody will "shoot you down"
[12:23] <pygi> cbx33, :))))
[12:23] <TeePOG> all i need is to hear about the terminal server
[12:23] <cbx33> pygi, hehehe
[12:23] <TeePOG> and the ltsp.org people are no help, the ubuntu ltsp "isn't a standard implementation"
[12:24] <pygi> TeePOG, muecow :)
[12:24] <TeePOG> mmmkay thanks pygi, i seem to have missed that... is that what the ubuntu ltsp is called?
[12:24] <pygi> TeePOG, that's just implementation, not "ubuntu ltsp"
[12:25] <TeePOG> ah
[12:25] <TeePOG> shorthand
[12:25] <TeePOG> sorry
[12:25] <cbx33> grrrr
[12:25] <cbx33> gconf is still playing me around
[12:27] <pygi> cbx33, you'll learn :)
[12:27] <cbx33> yeh
[12:27] <cbx33> I have to learn before thursday
[12:35] <pygi> cbx33, :)
[12:35] <pygi> sbalneav, poke you again? :)
[12:35] <cbx33> grrr
[12:35] <cbx33> where the hell is it picking these settings up from
[12:36] <sbalneav> pygi: Hello
[12:37] <pygi> sbalneav, so I left before...but once we get that iscsi stuff we could start writing the spec
[12:37] <sbalneav> Well, most of the iSCSI stuff I've found so far talks about the kernel talking to an iSCSI device.
[12:38] <sbalneav> I haven't as yet found a userspace lib that allows a program to behave like an iSCSI device.
[12:39] <pygi> sbalneav, ahm, so that means we would need to develop it?
[12:43] <sbalneav> :) Well, "other" cd recording packages had it.  I'm sure there's got to be some sort of something out there that can do it, or at least a spec to see if it can be implemented.
[12:43] <sbalneav> It's a pretty esoteric thing to do.
[12:44] <pygi> ahm :P
[12:45] <pygi> if we'll go to implement this in edgy+1 then we'll use stable 2.x series
[12:45] <pygi> in edgy+2 we'll use unstable 0.3.x series
[12:45] <pygi> ergh, I meant 0.2.x series in first sentence :)
[12:48] <pygi> 0.3.x will feature dvd support, -tao, and -multi I hope
[01:02] <LaserJock> hi Amaranth
[01:18] <Amaranth> don't say my name! :/
[01:18] <Amaranth> it made xchat-gnome freeze
[01:18] <pygi> Amaranth, lol
[01:18] <Amaranth> eek
[01:18] <Amaranth> oh, i'm still here
[01:19] <LaserJock> sorry
[01:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:19] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:19] <Amaranth> age of empires 2 distracted me from my willowng hacking
[01:20] <Amaranth> i've got customizable error messages now :)
[01:20] <LaserJock> do you have a working package then?
[01:25] <Amaranth> haven't checked :P
[01:26] <Amaranth> when is that distro being released?
[01:26] <LaserJock> 10th
[01:26] <Amaranth> hrm
[01:26] <Amaranth> will look after i finish this stuff
[01:27] <LaserJock> ok, not a huge deal, but a working package is obviously nice for me :-)
[01:34] <pygi> night
[01:51] <hlabs> how can i setup a ftp server on edu
[01:57] <LaserJock> hlabs: I'd guess by installing an ftp server :-)
[01:57] <hlabs> yeah but which one
[01:57] <hlabs> it compatible with edu
[01:59] <LaserJock> I don't think it would really matter
[01:59] <hlabs> can you suggest a ftp server. I want something gui that i easy to setup
[02:00] <LaserJock> I really don't know, let me check something real quick
[02:05] <LaserJock> hlabs: maybe try vsftpd
[02:06] <hlabs> ok i installed it
[02:06] <hlabs> but it doesnt show up in the app menu
[02:06] <hlabs> why is that
[02:06] <hlabs> so
[02:06] <LaserJock> well, it's a server
[02:06] <LaserJock> servers don't show up in the menu
[02:07] <hlabs> so how can i configure it
[02:07] <hlabs> i see no GUI
[02:07] <LaserJock> look at /etc/vstfpd.conf
[02:08] <hlabs> is there a GUI for this
[02:09] <LaserJock> no
[02:09] <LaserJock> I don't know of any GUI for ftp servers
[02:09] <LaserJock> I think vsftpd should be pretty easy to configure though
[02:11] <hlabs> i cant seem to configure this contraption
[02:13] <hlabs> how can i solve this problem, Cant write the new proftpd.conf here:
[02:13] <hlabs>  /etc/proftpd.conf 
[02:13] <hlabs> Run GProFTPD as root
[02:14] <LaserJock> you need to put sudo in front of what you are doing
[02:14] <LaserJock> you want to do proftpd instead of vsftpd?
[02:15] <hlabs> see Gproftpd is a gui software. Its showing up in my app menu. But it says run as root
[02:15] <hlabs> how can i do that
[02:15] <LaserJock> in a terminal run "sudo gproftpd"
[02:16] <hlabs> whats the command
[02:17] <LaserJock> for what?
[02:17] <LaserJock> to get a terminal?
[02:18] <hlabs>  no no i mean inside the terminal
[02:18] <hlabs> i type up sudo Gproftpd and there is an error
[02:18] <LaserJock> "sudo gproftpd"
[02:19] <hlabs> this is the error that i get now. (gproftpd:17441): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:21] <LaserJock> hmm, try "gksudo gproftpd" instead
[02:21] <LaserJock> sorry, I'm not on my edubuntu machine so I might make a couple mistakes :-)
[02:22] <hlabs> same error again. (gksudo:17640): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:22] <LaserJock> are you doing that on the machine you are currently on?
[02:23] <hlabs> yup
[02:25] <hlabs> nvm laserjock. I got the thing started
[02:26] <LaserJock> ok, good
[03:04] <hlabs> ok tell me something. I got the edu shared folder up and running i even setup the thing to work with samba
[03:04] <hlabs> now the thing is how can i get windows to connect to it
[03:05] <jsgotangco> well its that's the easy part, you just have to make your windows machine part of the workgroup
[03:06] <hlabs> i did
[03:06] <hlabs> but the win pc does not detect my edu pc
[03:06] <hlabs> or its share
[03:09] <hlabs> well
[03:09] <hlabs> ...
[03:32] <arkan0x> hello to all
[03:32] <arkan0x> what is user/passwd of the schooltool ? for default ? 
[03:33] <arkan0x> sorry for my english :S :(
[03:44] <arkan0x> hehehe
[03:44] <arkan0x> the user is : manager , the passwd is : schooltool 
[03:44] <arkan0x> :P
[05:43] <nai> hi new to linux anyone can show me how to install a driver package in tar?
[05:45] <LaserJock> nai: you will probably have better luck on #ubuntu
[05:45] <LaserJock> nai: what driver are you installing?
[05:47] <nai> for my lancard , the edubuntu os is in my laptop 
[05:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't have any experience there
[05:48] <LaserJock> #ubuntu has a lot more people so for generic questions like that you are probably better off asking there
[05:48] <nai> i mean i jsut want make my internet work
[05:54] <sbalneav> nai: What kind of lan card?
[05:54] <sbalneav> Evening LaserJock
[05:56] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:56] <nai> pcmcia
[05:56] <nai> the brand is xircom 16bit ethernet + 56 modem
[05:57] <sbalneav> What happens when you plug it in?  Do you get any kind of message at all?
[05:57] <nai> none.... but i know for sure it works fine because i have windowsxp in that machine and it works
[05:59] <sbalneav> Can you see if you have the pcmcia-cs and pcmciautils packages loaded?
[05:59] <sbalneav> Perhaps the laptop isn't listening to the cardbus
[06:00] <nai> where should i check if those packages are loaded? in synaptic
[06:00] <sbalneav> Yes, in synaptic
[06:02] <nai> yes it is loaded....i just find it weird...in administration>networking> the modem the dial up one is detectec butnot the ethernet. and it is named lo 
[06:03] <sbalneav> Well, lo is the loopback, it's always there.
[06:03] <sbalneav> Can you check the output of dmesg?
[06:03] <sbalneav> sudo dmesg
[06:03] <sbalneav> in a terminal
[06:04] <sbalneav> that should tell us if the kernel's detecting the insert
[06:06] <nai> i saw one.... pccard:PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
[06:07] <sbalneav> ok, so it sees the card
[06:07] <sbalneav> try this: sudo ifconfig -a
[06:07] <sbalneav> do you get an "eth0" entry?
[06:08] <nai> no, lo and sit0
[06:11] <nai> well when i go to device manager it can see my card but it says unknown manufacturer
[06:11] <sbalneav> Hmm, have you activated it?
[06:12] <nai> what do yoiu mean? 
[06:13] <sbalneav> well, in the Networking manager, if the card is listed, have you Clicked on it to highlight it, then clicked on the "Activiate" button on the right hand side?
[06:13] <sbalneav> Sorry, Activate
[06:14] <nai> well in the networking manager, the only visible object there is thje modem ppp0 not the ether net card, i think it is for dialup beacause its asking for dial numbers
[06:15] <nai> would installign a driver do the job?
[06:15] <sbalneav> Oh, ok, sorry, I thought you meant it was in the device section of the network manager.
[06:15] <nai> oh no, in device manager. jsut liek the one in win dows where it lists all the devices
[06:15] <sbalneav> nai: Well, it's unlikely it came shipped with a linux driver.
[06:16] <nai> i manage to download a driver from intels site
[06:16] <nai> its in tar how do i install it
[06:16] <sbalneav> I can't seem to find any information about this card, or what driver it's supposed to use.  I don't suppose you could tell me the model number.
[06:17] <nai> i find it weird but i used kubuntu in that same machine and it worked without me even trying to do anything
[06:18] <nai> its a xircom realport ethernet+modem56 REM56G-10
[06:18] <sbalneav> ah
[06:18] <sbalneav> ok
[06:19] <sbalneav> So, can you boot kubuntu?   That will tell us what driver it's loading. 
[06:19] <sbalneav> Then we just need to sort out why the same driver doesn't get loaded in edubuntu.
[06:19] <sbalneav> Err... you're not using an Edgy Eft version of edubuntu, are you?
[06:20] <nai> no i had it uninstalled. because i opt for edubuntu for my little sister
[06:20] <nai> edgy eft? how do i determine this?
[06:23] <nai> ok i have a quesiton what if i uninstall edubuntu and replace it with kubuntu instead? can i still install gcompris in kubuntu?
[06:25] <LaserJock> yeah, the programs all come from the same software repository
[06:25] <LaserJock> so you can install Kubuntu and then install gcompris
[06:25] <LaserJock> however, you will also have to install some libraries
[06:26] <nai> well i gues that would be a lot better than no connectivity at all
[06:27] <nai> i find it hard to trouble shoot since i do not have the technical know how
[06:27] <nai> anyway will my partitions windows ones be mounted automatically by kubuntu?
[06:29] <LaserJock> I'm not positive about that but it is pretty easy to set up (easier than what you are doing now)
[06:30] <sbalneav> Hmm, sorry, was away for a bit.
[06:31] <sbalneav> nai: Don't de-install just yet. I'll ask ogra tomorrow, he may know.
[07:49] <ajayc> RichEd,ping
[07:50] <ajayc> RichEd, ping
[08:29] <RichEd> ajayc: pong
[08:40] <ajayc> RichEd, edubuntu lost at Regional Expo
[08:40] <ajayc> those bastards didnt understand
[08:41] <ajayc> i said its free they said ' NO NO we KNow u will charge later'
[08:41] <ajayc> they said its a publicity stunt
[08:41] <RichEd> hi ajayc: please expand ... lost at Regional Expo ?
[08:41] <RichEd> and who are the bastards ?
[08:41] <RichEd> and can we mail them ?
[08:42] <RichEd> Note that you have exposed them to something new ... not everyone learns or accepts things on the first contact ...
[08:56] <ajayc> RichEd, those were the professors of Indian Institue Of Techonology
[08:56] <ajayc> I was selected for regional science exhibition from my school
[08:56] <ajayc> i went to showcase edubuntu there
[08:56] <ajayc> we cant mail em
[11:14] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[11:16] <RichEd> pong cbx33 
[11:17] <cbx33> just got your email
[11:18] <RichEd> okay ?
[11:18] <cbx33> yeh
[11:18] <cbx33> think there may be some more needed in the school one
[11:19] <RichEd> that's why I asked an expert for input ... that's you :)
[11:19] <cbx33> oooh, want me to reply via email?
[11:20] <RichEd> Note also that different countries have different ICT structures. In .za, our LAB admin is usually a normal teacher, with the additional burden of an ICT responsibility.
[11:20] <cbx33> right
[11:20] <cbx33> well there is 
[11:20] <cbx33> here at least
[11:20] <RichEd> email is sticky ... #irc slows past like a stream ... so that's a yes
[11:20] <RichEd> *flows
[11:20] <cbx33> ICT Administrator, ICT Coordinator, Network Manager, 
[11:21] <cbx33> but i do like that Student is on there as a target :D
[11:22] <RichEd> Well count yourselves lucky : We have (real world example) a Biology Teacher who is also Lab Admin, who needs to run after school sports, fetch his own kids from a different school, and get back for evening school meals because he is a House Father in the hostel.
[11:22] <RichEd> So, he does not have too much time for ICT as a hobby.
[11:23] <cbx33> crikey
[11:23] <cbx33> dedicated man
[11:23] <RichEd> More like overworked man with compulsory job tasks ... not too much choice.
[11:24] <cbx33> well, true
[11:24] <RichEd> Note that the lumping of categories for Community groupings may differ from lumping of categories for Case Study / Advocay etc.
[11:56] <jono> hey
[11:56] <highvoltage> hey jono
[11:57] <jono> hey highvoltage 
[11:57] <jono> incidentally, edubuntu rocks :)
[11:59] <highvoltage> yeah :)
[12:12] <cbx33> RichEd: when did you want to meet today?
[12:21] <RichEd> cbx33: can you send the email response today ... and then i'll refine it for advocacy ... and meet tomorrow before the meeting ?
[12:22] <RichEd> we'll have something concrete to work on ?
[12:25] <cbx33> yeh sure, now that my pessulus patch is complete :D
[12:25] <cbx33> I should have a little more time 
[12:25] <cbx33> I still have to finish up modifying SCP
[12:26] <highvoltage> is it just me, or is this pushing the ubuntu trademark use out of CoC context:
[12:26] <highvoltage> http://christianubuntu.blogspot.com/
[12:28] <cbx33> highvoltage: hmmm....
[12:41] <highvoltage> pygi: hey there
[12:41] <pygi> RichEd, :)
[12:41] <pygi> hey highvoltage, how are you?
[12:41] <RichEd> hi pygi ...
[12:42] <highvoltage> good thanks pygi. and you?
[12:45] <pygi> highvoltage, I am fantastic, thanks for asking :)
[12:46] <highvoltage> great! :)
[12:46] <pygi> RichEd, were you working something on my presentation perhaps?
[12:46] <pygi> at least a bit? :)
[12:48] <pygi> highvoltage, I burned a dvd yesterday, several of them even :)
[12:49] <cbx33> pygi: it's going well then?
[12:49] <pygi> cbx33, always :)
[12:50] <cbx33> and you're right
[12:50] <cbx33> I did fix it, pessulus that is
[12:50] <cbx33> so I'm good to go
[12:50] <cbx33> just need to create the patch
[12:51] <highvoltage> pygi: i read about debian's fork of cdrecord the other day, will they still include libburn?
[12:51] <cbx33> highvoltage: yeh me too
[12:51] <cbx33> I wondered how that would effect you pygi 
[12:51] <pygi> highvoltage, well, they'll include libburn in repositories, yes
[12:52] <pygi> the problem is that libburn umbrella project (libburn, libisofs, genisofs, cdrskin) will not be able to completely replace cdrecord in three months, and they need it for their release
[12:53] <highvoltage> well, it's nice to see it's (libburn) is making such nice progress already
[12:54] <pygi> true :)
[12:55] <cbx33> could even be by FF
[12:55] <cbx33> :D
[12:55] <pygi> highvoltage, I just want more competent devs, and community which has an application based on libburn & libisofs to test, report bugs
[12:55] <cbx33> RichEd: did you managed to contact OpenForumEurope
[12:55] <pygi> that's all :)
[12:56] <RichEd> cbx33: busy with emails now .. will let you know
[12:56] <cbx33> ok
[01:13] <cbx33> hi jono, didnt see you there
[01:13] <cbx33> ping ogra, pessulus is patched and all ready to go....:D
[01:14] <cbx33> I'm just creating the package now :D
[01:14] <ogra> cool
[01:15] <cbx33> I hope to have an SCP version later
[01:15] <ogra> we'll have to wait until the upload of the 2.16 package seb128 just did finished 
[01:15] <cbx33> I have a lishgt problem....
[01:15] <cbx33> 2.16 package of what?
[01:15] <ogra> and please make sure to base on that one
[01:15] <cbx33> pessulus?
[01:15] <ogra> sure
[01:15] <cbx33> what has changed init?
[01:15] <cbx33> in it
[01:15] <ogra> no idea
[01:15] <cbx33> hmmm....
[01:16] <ogra> the changelog will tell i guess
[01:16] <cbx33> yeh
[01:16] <cbx33> I'll have a word with him, 
[01:16] <cbx33> I also need a change to /etc/gconf/2/path
[01:16] <ogra> it was on -cahnges more than 1h ago so the source should already be available
[01:16] <cbx33> so that mandatory keys for users works 
[01:16] <cbx33> ok cool
[01:17] <ogra> he usually puts the upstream changelog into the package ... so have a look there
[01:17] <cbx33> ok
[01:17] <cbx33> i hope this isn;'t goign to make it too difficult to patch
[01:18] <cbx33> I have v2.16 here :D
[01:18] <ogra> from the source package ?
[01:18] <cbx33> yes
[01:18] <cbx33> it was just a sync
[01:26] <RichEd> cbx33: I can find this stand on the BETT 2007 exhibitor search : MOODLE OPEN SOURCE SW60 but no OpenForum Europe ?
[01:27] <cbx33> hmmm :(
[01:27] <cbx33> maybe they can't afford it
[01:28] <RichEd> http://www.bettshow.com/bett/exhibitorsearch.asp?ch=A&val=1 [open]  keyword brings up Moodle & SciTEK
[01:29] <cbx33> sorry RichEd 
[01:29] <cbx33> guess they can't afford it this year
[02:05] <cbx33> ping rodarvus can I have a pm word?
[02:05] <rodarvus> cbx33, sure
[02:13] <jsgotangco> RichEd: thanks for the email, yeah that error is really embarrassing...its been there for weeks
[02:13] <RichEd> :)
[02:13] <jsgotangco> i could just dump drupal on that site and be done with it
[02:14] <jsgotangco> RichEd: just for info, i've been given a free hand to think out of the box..like the next generation of education materials for the foundation with edubuntu as the foundation
[02:14] <jsgotangco> errr edubuntu as the base rather
[02:14] <RichEd> excellent ... that's what we want to hear
[02:15] <jsgotangco> RichEd: so experiments are now welcome
[02:15] <jsgotangco> i will send an email tomorrow
[02:17] <RichEd> great ... I am also sending an email intro to sat-ed : John Hawker ... you can compare notes
[02:17] <jsgotangco> we've bought Peso 3.2 Million worth of computers with no OS, i was told today
[02:17] <jsgotangco> $1 USD = Philippine Peso 50
[02:43] <DanielC> Hi all. Does anyone know who I should contact to ask what trademark licenses are acceptable to Ubuntu? Is there an "ubuntu-legal" team?
[02:48] <RichEd> DanielC: You can mail Jane SIlber ... will give you her email in a pvt window
[02:48] <DanielC> Thanks!
[03:23] <Amaranth> ogra: apparently today is the deadline for final surveys for google
[03:24] <ogra> Amaranth, whats the status of willowng ? is it done and ready for main inclusion by the end of the week ? 
[03:24] <ogra> (friday is feature freeze)
[03:25] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:25] <Amaranth> it could be
[03:25] <ogra> it would be nice if it could
[03:25] <Amaranth> i've got the start of the code for custom blocked page handlers, just need to make that checkbox work
[03:26] <cbx33> thurs is FF
[03:27] <Amaranth> cbx33: eek
[03:27] <jsgotangco> ogra: how do we go about in having our SoC pytest in universe?
[03:27] <jsgotangco> REVU?
[03:28] <ogra> i guess so
[03:28] <ogra> did he deliver something useable ? 
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:28] <jsgotangco> it actually worked on my test
[03:28] <jsgotangco> let me give you the url
[03:28] <cbx33> jsgotangco: nice
[03:29] <cbx33> what does it do?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-education/
[03:30] <Amaranth> Alright, I just told my ride for school I'm not going today, it's willowng day. :)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> its a simple testing app
[03:30] <ogra> Amaranth, great !
[03:30] <cbx33> heheh
[03:30] <cbx33> Amaranth: hahah great
[03:30] <ogra> i'll do the survey then ... 
[03:31] <Amaranth> the hardest thing we were doing in school today was timers in vb.net so it's no big loss (my school sucks)
[03:33] <cbx33> Amaranth: i wish I was still a student
[03:33] <cbx33> doing an SoC
[03:35] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:36] <cbx33> Amaranth: had another comment on that blog post
[03:36] <cbx33> about the community
[03:36] <cbx33> I'm just about to reply
[03:36] <cbx33> Hi sbalneav 
[03:38] <Amaranth> cbx33: that guy looks disturbed :/
[03:40] <cbx33> hehe
[03:40] <cbx33> I'l writing my reply now
[03:40] <jsgotangco> wow wonder what happened
[03:40] <Amaranth> seriously, look at his blog
[03:41] <Amaranth> i have a feeling he is not telling the whole story
[03:41] <jsgotangco> "semi prominent hacker"
[03:41] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:44] <sbalneav> Who's blog is this?
[03:45] <capt_kirk> ogra: would you like me to post a bug report for tracking the usplash problem on the thin clients, or do you already have it on your tracker?  I've written a short note next to the test computers for the users to know how to get around the problem, but it makes it hard to sell the the Dean as the best solution for our upcoming purchase.  Thanks.
[03:46] <cbx33> Amaranth: I replied.....take a look
[03:46] <cbx33> sbalneav http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/
[03:46] <ogra> capt_kirk, its solved in edgy ... but feel free to file a bug 
[03:47] <cbx33> sbalneav: it's my blog :p
[03:47] <capt_kirk> ok.  Thanks.  Still learning my way around the Ubuntu community.  What's the timeline for edgy's release?  6 months after dapper, so December?
[03:48] <cbx33> didn't he hang out in our channel for a while? or was that another ryan?
[03:48] <ogra> capt_kirk, oct
[03:49] <capt_kirk> ogra: thanks
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <cbx33> hi again bddebian 
[03:55] <sbalneav> Morning bddebian 
[03:55] <bddebian> cbx33: :-)
[03:55] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[03:57] <cbx33> ogra: now I have finished the pessulus part
[03:57] <cbx33> where do I upload it, what do I do with it
[03:57] <cbx33> as it's going to main
[04:02] <capt_kirk> ogra: Bug #59031: "Edubuntu LTSP Thin-Clients hang before graphical login"  Thanks
[04:04] <ogra> thanks 1
[04:04] <ogra> !
[04:05] <cbx33> ogra: how do I put stuff to go into main?
[04:05] <ogra> you need to write a main inclusion report, add it to the main inclusion queue on the wiki and notify pitti 
[04:06] <cbx33> oh great!
[04:06] <cbx33> it's just an update
[04:06] <cbx33> do we still need to write the report for pessulus
[04:06] <cbx33> we need to for SCP
[04:06] <cbx33> do you have an exampol
[04:06] <cbx33> =t~?;
[04:06] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfs
[04:06] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue explainc the process at the top
[04:08] <cbx33> thanks...am i right that we don;t need one for pessulus?
[04:11] <ogra> its already in main
[04:14] <hlabs> hey guys i need to add some files to the /opt folder. I need some help in doing so. Could you tell me how can i add files to the /opt folder . It says that i need to be root to do so
[04:14] <ogra> hlabs, you mean into the client environment ?
[04:15] <ogra> (for ltsp)
[04:15] <sbalneav> ogra: get my /msg?
[04:15] <ogra> i even answered :)
[04:15] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[04:15] <ogra> sbalneav, in knot 2 everything worked
[04:15] <hlabs> no no 
[04:15] <sbalneav> Hold on let me try again...
[04:16] <ogra> (apart from small glitched like ltspfs not being installed )
[04:16] <hlabs> i downloaded xammp i need to get it into the /opt folder
[04:16] <ogra> *glitches
[04:16] <ogra> hlabs, oh, you just want to install third party software ...
[04:16] <hlabs> yeah 
[04:16] <sbalneav> hmm, I'm not seeing you.  Fudge.
[04:16] <ogra> right, then you need to use sudo to be able to write to /opt
[04:16] <hlabs> yeah
[04:16] <sbalneav> I'm using irssi.
[04:17] <hlabs> how i get to do that
[04:17] <ogra> sbalneav, i see you and answered again
[04:17] <ogra> oh
[04:17] <sbalneav> Are you registered>
[04:17] <ogra> sbalneav, nm
[04:17] <sbalneav> ?
[04:17] <ogra> my registration failed somehow 
[04:17] <sbalneav> :)
[04:17] <hlabs> so how can i get the file into the /opt folder
[04:18] <ogra> hlabs, sudo cp <file> /opt ?
[04:20] <hlabs> thanks a million ogra
[05:03] <Amaranth> stupid shift-backspace bug
[05:03] <Amaranth> i still haven't figured out how to fix it
[05:26] <sbalneav> rodarvus!!!
[05:26] <rodarvus> sbalneav!
[05:26] <sbalneav> You hunka-hunka burning love, you!  How's it going?
[05:27] <rodarvus> :)
[05:27] <rodarvus> I wish I could say all is fine, but my head is exploding due to a headache :)
[05:27] <rodarvus> hope all is well with you, though!
[05:28] <sbalneav> Aspirin == good.
[05:28] <sbalneav> I'm sitting here at work in an application UAT 
[05:28] <sbalneav> (User Acceptance Test)
[05:28] <sbalneav> I have little to do at the moment, other than observe.
[05:28] <sbalneav> So, I'm hacking on Edubuntu, as this is fun :)
[05:29] <rodarvus> heh, nice :)
[05:29] <pygi> sbalneav, iscsi? :)
[05:31] <sbalneav> pygi: That's one of the things I'm looking at yes.
[05:31] <sbalneav> still haven't found an independent client side library
[05:32] <pygi> good, then someone'll write it :P
[05:32] <pygi> gotta run now, ttyl later, sorry
[05:32] <sbalneav> pygi: how clean-room do you want to be?  Could we pull the 
[05:32] <sbalneav> iscsi stuff out of the older, gpl'd cdrecord?
[05:32] <sbalneav> or are you wanting no Jorge in there? :)
[05:35] <sbalneav> gone :)
[07:43] <lucasvo> btw, when's edgy release? 6.10 or 6.12?
[07:43] <crimsun> the former.
[07:44] <crimsun> the 26th of Oct.
[07:45] <lucasvo> that means only 4 months for edgy
[07:45] <lucasvo> wow
[07:45] <Burgwork> yes
[07:47] <lucasvo> what other thinclients are there for ltsp than the one on disklessworstations.com?
[07:47] <Burgwork> any old computer
[07:56] <sbalneav> Burgwork: Most Pentium and onwards machines should work.
[07:56] <Burgwork> sbalneav, ah
[07:56] <Burgwork> lucasvo, you need about 128 mb of ram
[07:56] <lucasvo> sbalneav: I need real thin clients
[07:57] <lucasvo> without sata controller
[07:57] <lucasvo> the don't have to be cheap
[08:00] <Petaris> lucasvo: Thin clients or dumb clients?
[08:00] <Petaris> there is a difference after all
[08:00] <Petaris> for my dumb clients I go to SolarPC
[08:01] <Petaris> nice boxes and very easy to work with
[08:04] <lucasvo> Petaris: something like the clients on disklessworkstations.com
[08:14] <sbalneav> lucasvo: If the ones on disklessworkstations.com are what you want, why not order from them? :) Proceeds go to support LTSP related activities!
[08:15] <highvoltage> hi there sbalneav, Petaris, lucasvo and Burgwork 
[08:15] <sbalneav> Afternoon, highvoltage 
[08:16] <highvoltage> sbalneav: do you have a gdm setup in meucow at the moment?
[08:16] <sbalneav> Yup, we're running on one right now in the training room
[08:16] <sbalneav> Ubuntu's muekow, but using gdm.
[08:16] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage 
[08:17] <Burgwork> hey highvoltage 
[08:17] <highvoltage> nice
[08:17] <highvoltage> sbalneav: do you have local apps on meukow?
[08:17] <Petaris> lucasvo: To my knowlage the diskless workstations clients are dumb clients (ie, no embeded os)
[08:17] <sbalneav> Pretty easy: enable [xdmcp]  on the server, and just create an lts.conf that looks like the following:
[08:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: i got it working too, which is why I asked :)
[08:18] <highvoltage> I also had to add /var/lib/gdm to the rw_dirs
[08:18] <sbalneav> Ah, perfect.
[08:18] <ogra> aha the conservatives 
[08:18] <sbalneav> Oh, you're running gdm ON THE CLIENT?  No, I'm not doing that
[08:19] <ogra> :)
[08:19] <sbalneav> I'm running SCREEN_07 = startx
[08:19] <highvoltage> ah
[08:19] <sbalneav> and it xdmcp broadcasts
[08:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: i remember you said something at the summit about giving a choice to the user of gdm or ssh
[08:20] <highvoltage> oic
[08:20] <ogra> highvoltage, there is one :)
[08:20] <sbalneav> Yep, it's just not documented well.
[08:20] <ogra> enable xdmcp in your gdm 
[08:20] <sbalneav> We just really need to make a wiki page up to document the process.
[08:20] <ogra> and add SCREEN_07 = startx to lts.conf ... as sbalneav wrote
[08:21] <highvoltage> ogra: this is only applicable since edgy ltsp, right?
[08:21] <ogra> nope
[08:21] <sbalneav> No, works in dapper
[08:21] <ogra> that was always possible
[08:21] <ogra> should as well in breezy
[08:21] <sbalneav> Coolio
[08:22] <highvoltage> great
[08:22] <ogra> yay
[08:22] <highvoltage> i downloaded knot 2 today, will play with it tomorrow and thursday
[08:22] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and local apps?
[08:23] <ogra> edgy+1
[08:23] <sbalneav> Like I say, I'm still a little hazy on bzr and packaging, but you and vagrant will fix that in 7 days :)
[08:23] <highvoltage> ok
[08:23] <sbalneav> yeah
[08:23] <ogra> 7 ?
[08:23] <ogra> 9 you mean ...
[08:23] <sbalneav> Lots of people want localapps, and muekow makes that just an issue of plumbing.
[08:23] <highvoltage> edubuntu edgy will be really great from a technical p.o.v.
[08:23] <sbalneav> err, sorry
[08:23] <sbalneav> off by 2 error.
[08:23] <ogra> or am i wrong ? 
[08:23] <ogra> *phew*
[08:23] <sbalneav> I actually arrive on Wednesday
[08:24] <sbalneav> you get there thursday.
[08:24] <ogra> ijust thought my tickets were wrong ...
[08:24] <sbalneav> no, I'm an earlybird :)
[08:24] <highvoltage> edubuntu is just about ready for people like RichEd, imho
[08:25] <ogra> you think he should go back to school ??
[08:27] <ogra> lucasvo, the xubuntu cd has an ltsp mode  that installs everything ... but the guy in 58981 installed ltsp-utils from universe and ran ltspadmin 
[08:27] <ogra> (after all was set up)
[08:28] <ogra> which left him with a mixed dapper muecow ltsp-4.1 setup
[08:28] <highvoltage> ogra: lol, I meant, the next phase is getting the education part right
[08:28] <ogra> lol, right
[08:36] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/willowng/question.png \o/
[08:37] <LaserJock> Amaranth: ohh, nice
[08:40] <ogra> very nice !
[08:51] <LaserJock> Amaranth: is that packaged? ;-)
[08:52] <Amaranth> LaserJock: no
[08:52] <Amaranth> ogra: blue paint?
[08:52] <Amaranth> oh, the border
[08:52] <Amaranth> yeah, i used super+button1 to take the screenshot, it takes away focus
[09:00] <Burgwork> HIG compliance alert: your buttons should be "cancel" and "start filter"
[09:47] <Amaranth> Burgwork: that's an extra 10 lines of code
[09:47] <Amaranth> will do it later :P
[09:49] <Burgwork> ok
[09:53] <Petaris> later
[11:12] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[11:15] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[11:16] <cbx33> hiya pygi 
[11:16] <cbx33> howz you?
[11:17] <pygi> good & tired
[11:17] <cbx33> still burning stuff
[11:17] <cbx33> ?
[11:18] <cbx33> you should change your nick to pyro !:p
[11:19] <pygi> lol, thanks, but no thanks :)
[11:37] <Amaranth> Looking for guinea pigs.... :)
[11:37] <Amaranth> LaserJock: ping?
[11:38] <cbx33> Amaranth, heheh
[11:40] <cbx33> Amaranth, I would test it out, but have a fair amount to do, I may get a chance later on
[11:41] <Burgwork> Amaranth, testing your filter? can do once I get home
[11:41] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yeah?
[11:42] <cbx33> hey guys
[11:42] <cbx33> I have a small python listening app included in SCP that needs to be run whenever a user logs in in X
[11:42] <cbx33> how would I achieve this...
[11:42] <Amaranth> LaserJock: I need a guinea pig to pull from bzr and test things. :)
[11:42] <cbx33> someone mentioned a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart
[11:43] <Amaranth> cbx33: that would work
[11:43] <Burgwork> cbx33, is this is a policy daemon?
[11:43] <cbx33> but would that apply to a non-interactive terminal type app
[11:43] <cbx33> policy daemon?
[11:43] <cbx33> it's a dbus listener
[11:43] <Burgwork> what does this app do?
[11:43] <Amaranth> LaserJock: I have not tried installing it, only running from current dir. So you'll be on the bleeding edge. :)
[11:43] <cbx33> basically Burgwork it listens to the system bus for messages addressed to it
[11:44] <cbx33> and acts on themin the users space
[11:44] <cbx33> like starting apps
[11:44] <cbx33> killing processes etc :p
[11:44] <cbx33> the user has no interaction with ti what so ever
[11:44] <Burgwork> right, the issue with running it int he users session is that kids will very quickly figure out they can screw teacher up by killing it
[11:44] <cbx33> Burgwork, I know that
[11:44] <cbx33> but for now this is the route we are goign down
[11:44] <cbx33> :p
[11:44] <Burgwork> any sort of policy enforcing apps need to be run at the system level
[11:45] <cbx33> edgy+1 will be much more enhanced
[11:45] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'm just filling the specs for SCP
[11:45] <cbx33> nothing more at the moment
[11:45] <Burgwork> ok, no worries
[11:45] <cbx33> :p
[11:45] <cbx33> I had already thought of that
[11:45] <cbx33> and spoken with ogra about it
[11:46] <Burgwork> scp will only work on a thin client setup, right?
[11:46] <cbx33> um....yes and no :p
[11:46] <cbx33> parts of it will work on a normal setup with a tweak
[11:46] <cbx33> ie the killing/executing/lockdown aspects
[11:46] <cbx33> I think the logout is the only one which requires the LTSP setup
[11:47] <Burgwork> right
[11:47] <cbx33> so what do you suggest?
[11:47] <cbx33> for starting this app
[11:47] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I'll test it when I have a chance, got a lot of things going on at the moment :-)
[11:47] <Burgwork> .desktop autostart
[11:47] <Burgwork> that is what gpm and nm-applet use
[11:48] <cbx33> ok
[11:49] <cbx33> but they both have like icons in the taskbar don't they?
[11:49] <cbx33> does that mak a difference?
[11:49] <Burgwork> don't think so
[11:49] <cbx33> ok
[11:49] <cbx33> will try that
[11:49] <cbx33> ogra will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure
[11:49] <cbx33> I have to write the main inclusion report too :S
[11:51] <Amaranth> ook
[11:51] <Amaranth> need to figure out how to make it install error_pages dir
[11:51] <Burgwork> main inclusion isn't hard
[11:53] <cbx33> Burgwork, heheh
[11:53] <cbx33> I hope not
[11:53] <cbx33> I need all this done for thurs
[11:54] <Burgwork> I would write it today then
[11:56] <Burgwork> post FF, we should sit down and respec for edgy+1, because I have a fair amount of ideas/information for my work here at userful
[11:56] <LaserJock> yeah, I need to finish edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[11:57] <cbx33> Burgwork, I have many ideas for SCP+1 :p
[11:57] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'm going to write it today
[11:57] <cbx33> would you have any time free to check it over for me once it's done?
[11:57] <cbx33> in about an hours time?
[11:58] <Burgwork> the main inclusion report? sure
[12:00] <cbx33> thanks Burgwork 
[12:00] <Amaranth> alright, package is broken
[12:01] <Amaranth> the proxy is apparently not getting access to the bus
[12:01] <Burgwork> welcome to D-Bus, bringing you back to the age of Win 95
[12:02] <cbx33> hehe
[12:02] <cbx33> Burgwork, you don;t like dbus?
[12:03] <Burgwork> no, if the session D-Bus dies, you need to logout and login
[12:03] <Burgwork> if the system bus dies you need to reboot
[12:03] <Burgwork> that is utter crack
[12:04] <cbx33> true
[12:04] <cbx33> I can't believe people are quoting my blog :D
[12:04] <cbx33> this is unbelieveable !
[12:04] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[12:05] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[12:05] <ogra> does anybody have a nice suggestion for a portnumber for the ldm infod ?
[12:05] <pygi> cbx33, lol :)
[12:05] <cbx33> 1624
[12:05] <ogra> i used 9571 during development 
[12:05] <pygi> ogra, 3726 :)
[12:05] <cbx33> 1981
[12:05] <ogra> but that looks quite odd 
[12:05] <Burgwork> why not 9571?
[12:06] <cbx33> 5478
[12:06] <ogra> Burgwork, dunno
[12:06] <cbx33> 7200
[12:06] <ogra> it looks so strange :)
[12:06] <cbx33> ogra, just to check, the scp pacakage
[12:06] <cbx33> I've basiaclly finished it
[12:06] <cbx33> I'm goign to add a .desktop file to /etc/xdg/autostart
[12:06] <ogra> is it uploaded anywhere ? 
[12:06] <cbx33> to start the scp client script
[12:06] <pygi> ogra, 9999 :)
[12:06] <ogra> yep
[12:07] <cbx33> ogra, it will be in about an hour
[12:07] <cbx33> just gonna take a shower
[12:07] <ogra> pygi, thats as evil as 666 i guess :)
[12:07] <cbx33> I'll finish the pacakge upload to my site
[12:07] <ogra> cbx33, cool !
[12:07] <pygi> ogra, lol :P
[12:07] <cbx33> write the main inclusion report
[12:07] <LaserJock> argg, I so need a need a new dev box :(
[12:07] <cbx33> Burgwork, said he'd check it over for me
[12:07] <cbx33> will you be around in an hour ogra ?
[12:07] <pygi> ogra, ahm, port 8179? :)
[12:07] <ogra> you cant do much wrong 
[12:07] <cbx33> ogra, this is a big thing for me
[12:08] <cbx33> code in main !!!!! code in main !!!!
[12:08] <ogra> i wonder if 1337 is still free *g* ...
[12:08] <LaserJock> hah
[12:08] <cbx33> ogra, I think ti's used
[12:08] <ogra> cbx33, youre doing awesome work, really !
[12:08] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=132#comments - mixed opinions
[12:08] <cbx33> thanks ogra all thnks to you my friend
[12:08] <cbx33> well thank you to everyone...hence why I wrote that blog post
[12:09] <cbx33> :)
[12:09] <ogra> 1337 isnt used according to my /etc/services
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra, take it take it
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra, will you be aroudn in an hour?
[12:09] <cbx33> I'll have it done then
[12:09] <cbx33> and you can take a look
[12:09] <ogra> i guess i'll stay up till tomorrow evening, lets see
[12:10] <cbx33> and getting up early
[12:10] <cbx33> I think 4 hours sleep tonight
[12:10] <cbx33> shame we couldn't get VNC
[12:10] <cbx33> sorry I'm not *that* good yet
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, we still have time :)
[12:11] <ogra> cbx33, its fine ... you did more than anyone else could have done in that time ... 
[12:12] <cbx33> ogra, I dunno about that......i lost a lot of time looking for non-existant docs
[12:12] <cbx33> pygi, not enough time to patch x11vnc :p
[12:12] <cbx33> I'm goign to grab a shower
[12:12] <cbx33> and I'll be back
[12:13] <ogra> rodarvus, any idea why xauth would never return from a generate command ? 
[12:13] <ogra> the -v output is quite lame
[12:14] <LaserJock> ogra: if I get my edgy box back up I'll give you an edubuntu-menus package
[12:14] <ogra> yay!