[12:11] Tonio_: what's the status of openwengo? [12:12] imbrandon: he said you need libbeagle-dev [12:12] ahhh that could be my problem [12:17] I like the engage menu in amarok...nice touch, something new for a change. A bit too star trek for my tastes though [12:18] it does seem tacky [12:20] woot the upstart overloards are hitting edgy today [12:20] imbrandon: hmm? [12:20] > ubuntu-meta (1.19) edgy; urgency=low [12:21] > . [12:21] > * Refreshed dependencies [12:21] > * Added upstart-compat-sysv to minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal- [12:21] > powerpc, minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc [12:21] > * Added upstart to minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal-powerpc, [12:21] > minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc [12:21] > * Removed sysvinit from minimal-i386, minimal-amd64, minimal-powerpc, [12:21] > minimal-ia64, minimal-sparc, minimal-hppa [12:22] scary [12:22] guess I should merge the kubuntu seed then [12:22] bout an hour ago [12:22] maybe 2, i'm still not awake , LOL [12:23] hehe i'm already running it for the last 2 days, seems the same to me tbh [12:23] but thats becouse i havent made any upstart events [12:23] its still all the old sysv stuff [12:23] but shutdown is hella quick [12:24] Riddell: are you on the sounder ML ? [12:24] imbrandon: sure, although I don't often read it [12:25] Seveas and jdub chimed in with some cool comments about it the last few minutes [12:25] - * sysvinit [12:25] hehe thats how i noticed [12:25] + * upstart [12:25] here we go [12:25] whoa [12:25] wait [12:25] you need upstart-compat-sysv [12:25] too [12:25] or you wont be able to boot [12:25] i made that mistake once heh [12:26] that's in there too [12:26] bzr is clever like that [12:26] hehe cool [12:26] imbrandon: +u? [12:26] i dident install it the first time [12:26] and had to boot from a livecd and chroot in and recover [12:26] lol [12:27] I think upstart is worth it if only because of the buzz it generates [12:27] yea thats what jdub said basicly [12:27] Now *that's* EDGY. [12:27] - Jeff [12:27] and seveas [12:27] It means that Ubuntu is doing what no major distribution has done [12:27] before. Replacing init with aomething shiny, new and event driven. IT [12:27] ROCKS! [12:27] -- [12:27] Dennis K. [12:28] ;) [12:28] and it didn't even take that long for Scott to write it [12:28] ryanakca: +u freenode staff will give you if you make a case to them why you need more than the 20 channels [12:28] ryanakca: +u lifts the 20 chn limmit [12:28] lol [12:29] hmm, I could do with that [12:29] Riddell: yea thats what is suprising === ryanakca was reading the Hyperion 1.0rcN documentation [12:29] Riddell: all -core-dev get it on request, no need to "make a case" [12:29] quote: "User mode u, allowing users to join to up to 100 channels at once." http://bloggage.org/archives/32-Test-Net-and-Changes.html [12:29] just ask rob or naloith [12:29] hehe [12:29] ryanakca: 130 to be exact [12:30] ;) [12:30] so which file do I have to erase to be able to start the hwdb thing again? === ryanakca could live with 30... 130 is overkill [12:30] kwwii: ~/.hwdb [12:30] Riddell: thnx [12:30] yea Riddell -core-dev gets +u automagicly , all they have to do is ask [12:31] anyone here ever used bip for irc, man it rocks [12:32] what is it? [12:32] is it like irrsi? [12:32] a irc "proxie" kida like irssi + screen for any client [12:32] that's what kwwii uses === ryanakca has no "case" other than the fact than parting and joining channels is a pain and that I use all of the channels I'm in... [12:32] ryanakca: I'm not sure what other case you could make [12:33] like i run bip on my file server and it connects to all my chans etc, then i connect to the the file server with my fav client and can close my client at will and bip still runs [12:33] change computers and use a new client [12:33] its still connected [12:33] it's called a bouncer :) [12:33] ryanakca: yea thats about it, mostly its to keep spammers from "all" chans at once [12:34] there are several :) [12:34] mornfall: yea === rouzic esta ausente [12:34] (dircproxy comes to mind... or irssi-proxy) [12:34] mornfall: i just discoverd it though, its all the love of irssi + screen but i get to keep my gui client ;) [12:35] i dunno, i used irssi-proxy for a while and then reverted back to irssi+screen only [12:35] heh i tried to get used to irssi but i like konversation too much ( and xirssi on osx ) [12:36] Riddell: new major version is still beta version === mornfall won't flame :) [12:36] Riddell: concerning openwengo of course :) [12:36] hehehe mornfall [12:36] Tonio_: right [12:36] imbrandon: bip sounds nice - I just need to compile it for my OpenWRT [12:36] Riddell: but we can look at packaging it now we have qt4 packages [12:37] Tonio_: still, might be better than nothing [12:37] Riddell: sure, I'll look at that this week [12:37] Riddell: I have time now :) [12:38] btw mornfall long time no see/chat , take a little break ? or just from irc ;) [12:38] too much wesnoth I recon [12:38] heh [12:38] c'mon === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] http://web.mornfall.net/blog/account_of_recent_events.html [12:39] ahh i havent read you blog in a few weeks , guess i could have done that [12:39] heh [12:41] Riddell: why do icons appear for some of the radio boxes and not for the others? [12:41] in the hwdb-kde client, I mean [12:41] it is like magic...or karma [12:41] I did not click hard enough? [12:42] heh [12:42] imbrandon: shut up and fix amarok! [12:42] :p [12:43] I know, I know, "I already fixed it!" [12:43] kwwii: it's a bug, I've not looked into it [12:43] think of me as the crabby old man, bitching about everything [12:44] i seem to draw bugs to me === pascalFR [i=Y5cvUDGE@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] mornfall: that's quite a lovely blog entry, or at least it's better than I could have written after splitting up from my first long term girlfriend [12:46] heh well its fixed in edgy as i said BUT [12:46] its not made it back to dapper [12:46] becouse of the soyuz mess [12:47] Riddell: it's a second for me :| [12:47] Riddell: you split up with your girlfriend? [12:47] not that it helps [12:47] the first time was a rosegarden walk compared to this one [12:48] but thanks, i appreciate it... [12:49] next week I will be married for 9 years [12:49] freaky fucking shit [12:49] heh === imbrandon will be married for 2 next month [12:51] trust me when I say that staying together with someone is hard [12:51] imbrandon: s/for/in/? [12:51] But worth it? [12:51] oh === mornfall missed context [12:51] ;) [12:52] definitely worth it, if you can learn to accept anything [12:52] DaSkreech: it is worth it i think, but like kwwii sometimes its hard, like right now my wife is in Reno NV ( 1100+ miles away ) becosue its hard at times [12:52] Hmm Wonder if there could be a KDM theme for Kubuntu with a user list for Edgy? [12:52] face browser ;) [12:53] Uhh yeah [12:53] DaSkreech: I looked into that [12:53] imbrandon: That would probably make it hard.. [12:53] the biggest problem, artistically is that the user list cannot be half transparent [12:53] so it ends up with a white bg [12:54] Riddell: who is Celso Providelo, are they on irc ? [12:54] kwwii: Who's fault is that? [12:54] KDM's? [12:54] imbrandon: no, they are the people who are giving out 1 million in cash, if you'd only send them 5$ and your credit card number [12:55] DaSkreech: KDM [12:55] kwwii: haha thats the person that can fix your amark if i can catch them ;) [12:55] amarok* [12:55] damn the bastards [12:55] Can't you have toned down colour of the KDM background to solve it? === ryanakca is back from a very good (albeit salty) upper... judging from your comment's I have a good chance of a +u? who would I bug and poke? [12:56] ryanakca: type "/stats p" and see what freenode staff is online [12:56] +u ??? [12:56] DaSkreech: toned down as in pure white? [12:56] nope [12:57] [18:52] [249] p nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) [12:57] [18:52] [249] p 1 staff member [12:57] [18:52] [219] p End of /STATS report [12:57] kwwii: Soooo does KDM have to be rewritten? [12:57] lol [12:57] that makes it complicated :) [12:57] imbrandon: he's a soyuz developer, he is often on irc [12:58] Riddell: do you know his nick ? hehe [12:58] He's running #ubuntu-libre along with ompaul [12:58] imbrandon: but not just now [12:58] darn [12:58] what's that about? [12:58] DaSkreech: yes, please start :p [12:58] Riddell: its about bug 58144 assigned to him ( to fix amarok among other things in dapper ) [12:58] Malone bug 58144 in soyuz "Backport is rejected if an older backport is already there" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58144 [12:58] what happened to #ubuntu-libre anywais? [12:59] is it still being worked on? [12:59] kwwii: Well I'd need to at least know more about the technical limitations anyway Who do I talk to? [12:59] Yes [12:59] yes [12:59] THey changed the name... again [12:59] to gnewsense [12:59] And it has a Wiki :) [01:00] DaSkreech: what? ubntu-libre or something else? [01:00] DaSkreech: erm, me, I guess...I know more about the problem then anyone, since it is suse that made it (coolo and lunas) after I wanted it there [01:00] imbrandon: he's cprov [01:00] ryanakca: Ubuntu-libre was renamed [01:00] DaSkreech: the problem is that the user window bg will be a solid color, and not transparent [01:00] kwwii: Ha I always thought that was Mandrake :) [01:01] kwwii: Right. And it can't use real transparency? [01:01] DaSkreech: nope, it was my fault [01:01] if worse comes to worse, I found a version of the old theme, which I can edit to fit to kubuntu [01:03] kwwii: Hmm Sooo no one has engineered a good fix yet? [01:04] DaSkreech: nope...I kinda thought that if lunas cannot do it, nobody can [01:04] Good point :) [01:04] Wonder if I can track him down [01:04] Does he hang out on IRC I've not seen him [01:05] hehe, I spelt his name wrong [01:05] :p [01:05] lubos [01:06] Lunak :) [01:06] lubos lunak [01:06] exactl [01:06] y [01:07] Yeah I know him he added XGL/AIGLX support to kwin like 5 weeks back [01:07] time for me to go to bed soon [01:07] Bless his heart :) [01:07] ;-) [01:07] Seli on irc [01:07] and yeah, bedtime [01:07] goodnight :) [01:07] night mornfall [01:07] see you [01:08] night all [01:08] one more week of my son's summer vacation! [01:08] Night [01:31] imbrandon: I need to "rethink" my case :) === ryanakca can't think of any other reasons other than the ones I had earlier... === imbrandon [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] Riddell: looks like amarok 1.4.3 will be released in favor of another 1.4.2 patchset [02:05] joy [02:07] quote : [02:07] instead of creating another patchset for 1.4.2, we have decided to quickly [02:07] release 1.4.3, which will provide many more bugfixes and also substantially [02:07] increased performance. We're currently preparing the tarball and will inform [02:07] you when the release is ready. [02:07] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=45215 interesting [02:16] man, there are naked dudes and chicks on kde-look [02:21] wow who ripped kwwii's unfinished theme and put it on kde-look [02:21] thats sad [02:21] haha ya [02:21] and they like the color of the desktop as well [02:22] i hate when people do that, but i guess its a good thing actualy [02:23] generates more buzz [02:24] holy shiznit, i think i got kickoff to finaly compile === imbrandon dances [02:25] yup [02:25] hey shiznit sniffah...bip and bitlbee? [02:25] you got the phone and left me hangin' ;) [02:25] i like kopete, and bitlbee was cool..but not the cool for me to loose the kopete [02:25] hehe join ##offtopic i'll explain === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal__ [n=nixterna@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.68] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] _Sime: I verified what you were saying the other day. Unpatched Edgy opens CD's in /media rather than media:/. After the updates, the dialog box no longer appears when inserting CDs. but I also doesn't open a window in Konqueror === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-225-250.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] Riddell, they just gave me the 1.4.3 tarbal, i should have it ready by morning [05:03] Chop chop, get to work you must! [05:03] Hah [05:03] hahah ok yoda [05:10] err... I updated Edgy a while ago, don't know since when the updates were made available. but now the Storage Media applet points to "/media" and no longer "media:/". was this change intended? [05:11] yes Jucato [05:11] ah ok.. I was about to panic (or file a bug report) lol [05:11] that was the latest patch me/riddell/sime uploaded [05:11] no media:/ should not be used anywhere, if it is let me or sime know [05:12] and inserting a CD no longer pops up the KDE Media Manager dialog box? but also doesn't open a new window [05:12] thats a diffrent issue altogather [05:12] heh [05:12] eheh so that one is a bug? [05:12] lemme finish up this new amarok then i'll look at it [05:12] sure no hurries [05:13] I'm compiling the bugs/issues/changes I'm finding so I can ask/file them later [05:13] I've got a few ones in my head and in Kate [05:13] He's trying to build his karma! [05:13] lol I already have 7000+.... [05:13] heh i dunno what mine even is, i never look at it [05:14] was like 15k last i looked [05:14] a few weeks ago [05:14] Karma: 194838 [05:14] that's yours [05:14] 194k ;) [05:15] wow that jumped [05:15] lol [05:15] I got 7k for filing a poorly done bug report and just following it up with similarly poorly done questions/logs [05:26] um.. excuse me for disturbing (again), but what's the proper procedure/process when filing bug reports? Ask them first in -devel, then file the bug? and how do I know whether to file it in LP or in KDE? [05:36] Jucato, you make sure you can reliably reporduce it on the latest version of whatever your bug reporting on, and then possibly ( not required ) try to debug it with someone in irc seeing if they can reporduce it , if that is rtue file a bug report in LP ( and search the upstream bugs too ) [05:37] ok thanks! [05:37] I was confused whether to file in LP or in KDE (upstream?) because they said I should file the Adept bug in KDE instead of LP === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] so I guess part of the "debug it with someone in irc" is asking in here :D [05:40] Jucato: Do I need to fire up vmware :P [05:40] Hawkwind: not unless you're willing to install some updates :D [05:40] when you wake up tomorrow/later maybe :D [05:40] thanks for the offer [05:40] Jucato: I'll install anything, it's vmware [05:40] Hah [05:41] Hawkwind: yeah but it takes some time... but of course ymmv [05:42] Booting it up now [05:42] ehehe thanks! [05:42] I don't think you'll be able to confirm 1 or 2 of the bugs though :D [05:43] Ok, do I need to be in KDE ? [05:43] well, one of them I've only noticed happens with ext3 partitions :D [05:44] Jucato: KDE is running now [05:44] err.. Edgy? [05:44] Jucato: For some stupid reason, I actually installed the vmware session as ext3 instead of Reiser, so you're in luck [05:44] Yes, Edgy is in vmware [05:44] Hawkwind: but do you have another ext3 partition in VMWare, besides the / partition? [05:45] Jucato: Yes, my /home [05:45] .... other than that? ehehe [05:45] because this is the "bug" that I noticed [05:45] "Ext3 partitions that are mounted at boot are unmounted upon logging out (End Current Session). VFAT and NTFS remain mounted" [05:45] Nope, just / and /home is all I created [05:46] ah... [05:46] well, this one you don't have to update to confirm [05:47] K Menu > System Settings > Advance options (at the top) > Login Manager > Background tab [05:47] Hmmm, seems I only created a / in this vmware session. What kind of drugs was I on I wonder [05:47] Hah [05:48] Ok, I am looking at the background tab [05:49] The Picture option is enabled, right? what is it using? "kubuntu-wallpaper" or "Kubuntu Wallpaper"? [05:49] imbrandon: You're familiar with vmware....any way to make it so I don't have to hit ctrl-alt to release the mouse....that it does it automatically when I get to the edge of the screen or something ? [05:49] Jucato: It's selected as Picture, though it's greyed out...and it has kubuntu-wallpaper [05:49] ah check! thanks for confirming that :D [05:49] Jucato: It's greyed out because I haven't clicked on Admin Mode [05:50] something I'm going to file [05:50] What should it be ? [05:50] - KDM/Login Manager points/uses a background called "kubuntu-wallpaper" but should be "Kubuntu Wallpaper" [05:50] Hawkwind: before you change that, would it be possible if you could pastebin something for me? [05:50] /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc of that Edgy system [05:51] I foolishly changed my settings before I could check that config file :D [05:52] I really appreciate it! thanks! [05:52] Hawkwind, if you have vmware tools installed yes ( not avaible with player ) [05:52] now I just have 3 bugs to confirm [05:52] Jucato: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/88 [05:53] imbrandon: That's what I thought. I click on 'Install vmware-tools' and it goes to do it then in the VM tab just says Cancel Install for ages and doesn't seem to actually install it :( [05:54] Hawkwind: great! thanks! [05:54] Hawkwind, it dosent install "automagicly" all that does is mount the psudo cdrom [05:54] you have to untar the file it moutns and install it in the vm ;) [05:54] this line is the culprit: "Wallpaper=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png" [05:54] imbrandon: So cd /mnt/cdrom ? [05:55] Hawkwind, /media/cdrom probably ( in ubuntu ) [05:55] imbrandon: I did an ls when in /media/cdrom and there is nothing there :( [05:56] after you hit install vmware tools ? [05:56] before you said cancle [05:56] Yep [05:56] I haven't canceled it. It just says in the menu Cancel VMware tools install [05:56] look at your mouonts, it mouts the image somewhere [05:56] type mount and see whats mounted [05:57] Hawkwind: this might help: http://www.vmware.com/support/esx25/doc/admin/esx25admin_tools_vms.html#999629 [05:57] imbrandon: I wonder if it matters that I installed vmware-server from the website, and not vmware via apt-get [05:57] no it dosent matter [05:57] afk [05:58] Hawkwind: really appreciate your help [05:58] are you using VMWare server or just player? [05:59] Jucato: Ahhh, thanks. That seems to do the trick [05:59] Jucato: Server [06:00] aah, you can also see this, practically the same guide: http://pubs.vmware.com/server1/vm/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=vm&file=tools_server.4.5.html [06:00] anyway, I've gotta take my lunch [06:00] I'm famished :D [06:00] thanks for your help [06:00] I owe you (a lot) :D [06:00] afk no [06:03] No problem. You owe me nothing, except some karma :P [06:10] Bahhh this is driving me nuts [06:10] I have installed vmware-tools yet the mouse still isn't doing what I want it. Though it seems vmware-tools isn't running and yet it's not a command === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [06:23] Hmmm, sysvinit is being removed and upstart is being installed. This could be fun === Hawkwind Wonders how much stuff that's going to break [06:23] ;) [06:23] zero, i did it a few days ago [06:24] Wasn't you who had some issues with upstart a couple days back ? [06:24] yea but it was my own bad [06:24] i dident install the compat libs [06:24] Ah ok [06:24] Well I just did a dist-upgrade on the vmware install so no big deal if it breaks [06:25] I just wish I could get my mouse cursor to let go of the screen when it gets to the edge. I hate having to press ctrl-alt every time [06:25] you know that only works in X and when the tools are running ;) [06:25] i like having to hit the keys imo [06:25] I'm in X, and I don't have any clue how to start vmware-tools [06:26] that way you dont make mistakes as easy [06:26] I have a vmware-toolbox command, but that doesn't do much good it seems [06:26] Oh heck, so it does work [06:31] imbrandon: So does upstart change any commands such as /etc/init.d/network restart is that stuff still the same or what's the point/benefit to upstart ? [06:32] ugh, ok sorry but tired of answering this hehehe , look here [06:32] Upstart was referenced in the latest newsletter [06:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue12 [06:32] "'upstart', by Ubuntu Developer Scott James Remnant, designed to change the [06:32] way that a Unix/Linux boots for the first time in 30 years." [06:32] see also: [06:32] http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/upstart2.html [06:32] http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/upstart.html [06:33] Heh thanks. Reading now [06:33] "From the start of development of edgy+2, no new packages will be accepted [06:33] unless they provide upstart jobs instead of init scripts and init scripts [06:33] will be considered deprecated." === chavo [n=chavo@69-167-74-151.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:37] Wow, very interesting indeed [06:37] yea Hawkwind nothing against you but that can explain it better than i can and you might catch scott ( aka keybuk ) in ubuntu-devel durring his hours if you neeed more [06:37] brb afk for a few [06:38] imbrandon: Thanks. That explains it greatly. I appreciate you giving me those links rather than trying to explain it. Very detailed and would be tiring explaining it over and over on IRC [06:38] hehe [06:41] abattoir: Good evening [06:42] hi Hawkwind :) [06:43] hi abattoir, Hawkwind, imbrandon [06:43] hello Jucato :) [06:43] abattoir: are you running Edgy? [06:43] Jucato: yes [06:44] nice :D === Jucato found another guinea pig :D === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:44] kidding [06:44] heh... its not fully up to date though.. ;) [06:44] ah yes, there were some updates available this morning (here) when I logged in. [06:45] but I'm having a problem that was present before and after the update [06:45] Jucato: I just did a huge update. sysvinit is now gone and upstart is installed on the Edgy install [06:45] how do I check if upstart is now installed? I updated a while ago.. didn't notice it :D [06:46] dpkg -l|grep ii|grep upstart [06:46] ah yes, installed :D [06:47] so it's now the init system that I'm using, right? [06:47] if you've since rebooted, yes [06:47] if you rebooted aafter it installed yet [06:47] yep I did :D [06:47] s/yet/yes [06:47] I still haven't rebooted. [06:47] hehe === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:48] (up 16 days, 52 min) -> suspend-to-{disk,ram} => resume [06:48] nice [06:48] whoa :D [06:48] my mom's gonna kill me if I kept the pc up that long [06:48]