[01:54] <troy_s> hello huwshimi
[01:54] <troy_s> thanks for your contribution
[02:10] <huwshimi> troy_s: np
[02:23] <huwshimi> troy_s: I will try to gloss up the splash screen I followed the guide as to matt background/gloss foreground. But the splash still needs some work
[02:30] <BHSPitLappy> hi all
[03:33] <troy_s> huwshimi it's too bad you weren't around at the start of the cycle
[03:34] <troy_s> but you should be able to pick up rather quickly -- as was one of the goals this cycle.
[03:34] <huwshimi> troy_s: How so?
[03:34] <troy_s> How so what sorry?
[03:34] <huwshimi> troy_s: Me not being around at the start of the cycle.
[03:35] <troy_s> well it would have given much time to incorporate the motif into other designs
[03:40] <huwshimi> troy_s: Has the default art been
[03:40] <huwshimi> ... chosen yet?
[03:40] <troy_s> not yet.
[03:40] <troy_s> just a gradual refinement of direction
[03:40] <huwshimi> ok
[03:41] <troy_s> unfortunately, we had to start the cycle with a very broad design base and really crunch it down as we went along
[03:41] <troy_s> next cycle we should be able to start with a more refined design specification
[03:41] <troy_s> sept 7th is the final lock date for all artwork -- then it is merely a matter of polishing
[03:42] <troy_s> i believe mark is getting shipped a tarball shortly based on frank's selections
[03:42] <troy_s> and he will ultimately decide.
[03:42] <troy_s> or throw it all out :)
[03:42] <troy_s> note that he has been quite clear regarding branding of the wallpaper... although you might get away with a minor brand
[03:43] <troy_s> if you read the specifications, you can see where and how branding should be incorporated.
[03:43] <troy_s> in actuality, there was an update to it, and I should probably update the wiki accordingly based on mark's comments from linuxworld.
[03:43] <huwshimi> yeah. My designs can be ripped to shreds if they want to be used
[03:48] <BHSPitLappy> hey
[03:49] <huwshimi> Hi
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, sept 7th.. applies to sound too?
[03:49] <troy_s> i would suspect so, as the breakdown listed on the plan page corresponds to the developer breakdown
[03:49] <troy_s> upon which it was based in paris
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> hmm
[03:49] <BHSPitLappy> then it's probably too late to submit anything new?
[03:52] <troy_s> i wouldn't count it out
[03:52] <troy_s> the only thing i would say is that don't be offended if it doesn't get looked at in time
[03:53] <troy_s> mark is extremely busy, and ubuntu is different from the other 'buntus in that _everything_ that enters ubuntu art-wise _must_ pass through him.
[03:53] <troy_s> creative wise
[03:53] <troy_s> etc.
[03:53] <troy_s> that means that ultimately he wields the axe
[03:54] <troy_s> that said, we would love to see the sound department develop further
[03:54] <troy_s> i know _i_ certainly would.
[03:54] <BHSPitLappy> well, I would be submitting a prototype
[03:54] <BHSPitLappy> not even a finished, cleaned up etc
[03:55] <BHSPitLappy> although it's not like with graphical art... audio is relatively easier to transform from raw recordings into a finished product
[03:55] <troy_s> they are quite similar actually.
[03:55] <huwshimi> troy_s: I would like to be involved with the artwork process. I work as a graphic and web designer and audio engineer. I have a Launchpad account etc. what else do I need to do?
[03:55] <troy_s> but if it is in a production worthy state, i wouldn't hold back.
[03:56] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, I mean, say, from a concept sketch, to a nicely made vector image
[03:56] <troy_s> huwshimi there is plenty to be done, and we need more folks like you.
[03:56] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy are you familiar with how motion pictures are edited and scored?
[03:56] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, let's just say I'm 17.
[03:56] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy that's ok.
[03:57] <BHSPitLappy> and I understand what you're getting at, too...
[03:57] <troy_s> basically, you provide a 'temp' track that meets the thematics of the piece
[03:57] <BHSPitLappy> in our case, the prototype is a quick recording of my keyboard... and the finished product would be... a quick recording of my keyboard, with some editing :P
[03:57] <troy_s> and then write concurrently with it.
[03:57] <troy_s> laf.
[03:57] <troy_s> well i certainly say get it on the wiki to start...
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> instead if going drastically from a temp track, to an arranger/composer, and getting professional musicians in.
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> I have to wait for my friend to get off work, actually
[03:58] <troy_s> it will serve well for brainstorming purposes at the very least, and who knows what it will trigger.
[03:58] <BHSPitLappy> need to ask him for permission.
[03:58] <troy_s> put it on the wiki
[03:59] <BHSPitLappy> need to ask him for permission.
[03:59] <troy_s> indeed.
[03:59] <BHSPitLappy> since it's inspired off of something he's written
[04:00] <BHSPitLappy> ah, you scared huwshimi away.
[05:07] <BHSPitLappy> anybody home??
[05:29] <BHSPitLappy> hi, huwshimi
[05:29] <huwshimi> hey
[06:23] <troy_s> wb huwshimi
[06:24] <huwshimi> hey troy_s
[06:24] <troy_s> pyrotica is developing a pretty damn good gdm tutorial in incoming
[06:24] <troy_s> it is really coming along nicely.
[06:25] <huwshimi> troy_s:  I just made a gloss version of my splash screen as per request. I will upload a screenshot later.
[06:25] <troy_s> do you have any metacity / gtk experience huwshimi?
[06:26] <troy_s> probably a good idea.  sabdfl wanted to keep to some element of gloss.  i underplayed it quite massively based on the overplaying from earlier in the cycle.
[06:26] <huwshimi> yeah a little metacity. Made a couple of themes a while back. Haven't ventured into gtk
[06:26] <troy_s> hrm...
[06:26] <troy_s> the metacity for the default ubuntu look uses the rgb values from the gtkrc
[06:27] <troy_s> but it is still a bit of a complicated nut to crack.
[06:27] <huwshimi> ok
[06:27] <troy_s> it would be nice to palettize the metacity/gtk to the resulting
[06:28] <troy_s> chosen direction in usplash/lsplash/gdm/wall
[06:28] <troy_s> so if you could possibly experiment a little, it would be appreciated.
[06:29] <huwshimi> Ok. Is it the same metacity/gtk themes as dapper (with the modified colours)?
[06:29] <troy_s> well thus far
[06:29] <troy_s> nothing regarding that has changed
[06:29] <troy_s> and again, any changes we wish to implement will require mark's approval
[06:30] <troy_s> that said, i would think that once he decides on the set
[06:30] <troy_s> modifying the window border to match the palette probably would happen easily.
[06:30] <huwshimi> yeah
[06:32] <troy_s> what i am hoping to do is bump the palette information up to speed
[06:32] <troy_s> once we get through this checkpoint
[06:32] <troy_s> so that the offical palette reflects the current state of colour in ubuntu
[06:33] <huwshimi> yeah. yeah.
[06:35] <huwshimi> Were you saying that I should take the "ubuntu" off my wallpaper?
[06:36] <troy_s> huwshimi -- did you get that update to the wiki pages i made via the launchpad membership?
[06:37] <troy_s> mark has been quite clear regarding branding now (thankfully, as we really had _no_ clue at the onset of the cycle)
[06:37] <huwshimi> yep. sry I haven't read it all. I'll have a look
[06:37] <troy_s> three of the four specs (usplash/lsplash/gdm) all have branding.
[06:37] <troy_s> wall should probably not.
[06:37] <huwshimi> yeah ok.
[06:37] <troy_s> again, i am pretty sure that you could break this rule, but that is as per his request
[06:38] <troy_s> he also recently commented on the branding from linuxexpo
[06:38] <huwshimi> it's an easy change
[06:39] <troy_s> again, it isn't my choice... that's marks.
[06:40] <huwshimi> Ok cool
[07:31] <BHSPitLappy> is anyone alive here
[07:31] <huwshimi> Yo.
[07:32] <BHSPitLappy> what's up?
[07:32] <BHSPitLappy> want to be first to comment on a login/logout sound I just uploaded to the wiki
[07:32] <huwshimi> n/much. You?
[07:32] <huwshimi> ok.
[07:33] <huwshimi> Link?
[07:33] <BHSPitLappy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds#head-1e3e5557274b50738b38a7d1a41df69b44b9ff53
[07:35] <huwshimi> PolySounds?
[07:35] <huwshimi> is that the one I should download?
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> yep
[07:42] <huwshimi> Hey they are pretty good. I like the length of them.
[07:43] <BHSPitLappy> thanks, I was afraid they were too long
[07:44] <huwshimi> nah. particularly the logout on is a nice length
[08:01] <huwshimi> troy_s: Are you around?
[11:20] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_softlight.gif
[11:21] <msikma> (Perhaps something for makers of a new usplash to fool around with.)
[11:41] <BHSPitLappy> hmm
[11:42] <BHSPitLappy> ooh, that's a little cooler than the one from before.
[12:03] <msikma> There are some variations in that directory
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> msikma, do you know where I could find inkspace source to a glossy CoF logo?
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> err
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> inkscape ***
[12:16] <BHSPitLappy> type-lexia :S
[12:17] <msikma> Hmmm
[12:17] <msikma> I'm not sure, I think that some were posted at the propose phase.
[12:18] <msikma> I just made that thing separately in raster.
[12:18] <msikma> I could upload a really large version if you like.
[02:20] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[02:21] <troy_s> msikma nice.
[02:21] <msikma> troy_s: some tips for that radial light animation? You had ideas on where to take it.
[02:22] <troy_s> i think it is a great step in the right direction
[02:22] <troy_s> my only thought would be that you might need the light to orbit more along the trajectory of the logo in order to
[02:22] <troy_s> work at a smaller res for something say -- like a waiting mouse cursor.
[02:23] <troy_s> its pretty slick though
[02:23] <troy_s> also, and i know how you feel about this, but could you offer one up with the curve from the folder / similar to who_'s work jmak?
[02:24] <troy_s> i quite like it.  hopefully we get the 256 colour extensions into usplash.
[02:26] <sladen> troy_s: the mouse cursor... that's is an idea and might give people the idea that their machine is "responsive" and " doing somethign"
[02:27] <msikma> I'd prefer to have a spotlight aimed at the logo that lights up the background, like this: http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/base.png - but that's not doable with 256 colors, unfortunately.
[02:27] <msikma> That also shows off the shadow nicely.
[02:33] <troy_s> sladen yes, and i feel it is a subtle twist towards a more stylized and professional branding of the cursors.
[02:33] <troy_s> hold on msikma let me look
[02:34] <troy_s> i think the motion is quite interesting in your sample.  could you perhaps offer one with 1) smaller light source (say by about 20-30%)
[02:34] <troy_s> and perhaps a little more orbital -- slower -- more melodic
[02:36] <msikma> I'd prefer to not ease the motion in any way in this sample as it's a looping movement, but I could increase the resolution.
[02:36] <msikma> E.g. more frames
[02:37] <troy_s> is it difficult to make the light source smaller?
[02:37] <troy_s> i assume it is an alpha channel mask, no?
[02:38] <msikma> It's an overlay set as clipping mask to the original logo layer and blended as "soft light"
[02:40] <troy_s> ok i must jet out to work msikma
[02:40] <msikma> See you later
[02:40] <troy_s> so send me an email okie?
[02:40] <msikma> Okay
[02:41] <troy_s> great stuff
[02:41] <troy_s> also, try a very small version to see how it translates (just came to me) like 128 pix by 128
[02:41] <msikma> I will likely need to remake the bevel for the occasion since it scales differently.
[02:41] <troy_s> if we intend on scaling the technique, to maintin consistency, it should at least have the basic elements present at that size. (speed, orbit area, size of light, etc)
[02:41] <msikma> Smaller sizes probably need a relatively larger bevel.
[02:42] <troy_s> indeed, but the 'essence' of it would be nice to keep similar
[02:42] <troy_s> if you follow me.
[02:42] <troy_s> so just take a peep at the smaller size and see if there is anything 'glaring' that would need adjusting
[02:42] <troy_s> ok out... or else i'll be late ;)
[02:42] <msikma> yeah. I wonder if it'll work out.
[02:42] <msikma> later
[02:55] <sladen> troy_s: yes, the secret is dithereing
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: you can still see the banding on that image.  But with dithering, you can get an apparent gradient smoother than 256 steps
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: also you don't want the 'shadow' to be a perfect circle, it should vary in an apparently random way, like plasma
[02:56] <sladen> troy_s: I do like it though!
[02:59] <msikma> hee hee. My Wikipedia talk page got vandalized by someone who didn't like me criticizing his unconstructive edits.
[02:59] <msikma> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMsikma&diff=73937538&oldid=73937367
[03:42] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_linearlight60_cursor.gif <-- waiting cursor
[03:42] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_softlight_cursor.gif <-- another one
[03:56] <cbx33> hi everyone
[03:57] <msikma> hi there
[11:08] <BHSPitLappy> hi