[12:05] <mindspin> I was thinking about standing as "fun candidate" but I won't ruin my social life and reality has overtaken any satirical approach
[12:05] <mindspin> I will argue in a more Open source in general attitude
[01:29] <sladen> hmmm, the gobby story sucked, seems nobody else checked it over
[02:24] <dotwaffle> Hmmm... This Ubuntu book is very wordy about the creation of Ubuntu... Interesting to geeks, yes, but is it the intended market?
[02:30] <poningru> dotwaffle: which book is it?
[02:30] <poningru> there are many that were published
[02:30] <dotwaffle> The latest one. The "comes with a DVD, and written by Mako, Jono et al@
[02:30] <poningru> ah
[02:30] <poningru> Burgundavia here is corey burger
[02:30] <poningru> err
[02:31] <dotwaffle> yuo
[02:31] <dotwaffle> yup
[02:31] <dotwaffle> it's a good book, mark my words, very interesting to those interested in the history... It just seems to be that the first 30 or 40 pages contain far too much waffleage about where Ubuntu comes from.
[02:33] <poningru> well that stuff is important
[02:34] <poningru> because ubuntu isnt just a gnu/linux based os, its also an idea
[02:34] <dotwaffle> important, yes, but does it suit the purpose of the book?
[02:34] <poningru> ofcourse
[02:35] <poningru> anyway I cannot justify the book any more than a random guy.... talk to one of the authors through email etc.
[02:35] <dotwaffle> I have...
[02:36] <dotwaffle> I think it's a good book, well written, and perfect for someone who is new to Ubuntu with that geek bent.
[02:37] <dotwaffle> I'm just saying, if it were trimmed down to say... 100 pages, with only 2 or 3 pages on the history, maybe it would be more applicable.
[02:43] <dotwaffle> Either way, it should sell well
[03:05] <grasshopper> hi Madpilot
[03:05] <Madpilot> hi grasshopper
[03:06] <grasshopper> Madpilot: got that leaflet ^^
[03:06] <grasshopper> wanna print and laminate it
[03:06] <Madpilot> haven't done the customization for you yet, but give me 10min and I'll have it done.
[03:07] <grasshopper> Madpilot: kewl...
[03:07] <Madpilot> do you want an SVG, or a big PNG?
[03:07] <grasshopper> errr...not sure
[03:08] <grasshopper> svg maybe?
[03:08] <grasshopper> is that printable?
[03:12] <Madpilot> usually, from Inkscape
[03:13] <grasshopper> and png?
[03:13] <grasshopper> as long as it fits on A4
[03:15] <Madpilot> It's designed to fit on North American 8.5x11, which is close to A4 but slightly different.
[03:15] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_Pamphletv2.svg
[03:16] <Madpilot> SVG, with your info under Local Contacts at the very bottom
[03:18] <grasshopper> thx, Madpilot
[03:18] <Madpilot> Gigantic PNG: http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_Pamphletv2.png
[03:18] <Madpilot> it really is big - 1.6Mb
[03:19] <grasshopper> woah!
[03:19] <grasshopper> is this a poster?
[03:20] <Madpilot> no, it's a 300dpi image, for high quality printing
[03:20] <Madpilot> so it's massive
[03:21] <Madpilot> and Inkscape outputs high quality but non-optimized PNGs, so they're always big
[03:26] <grasshopper> is the png also A4?
[03:27] <Madpilot> neither of them is, they're both 8.5x11
[03:33] <grasshopper> got two back copies printed
[03:33] <grasshopper> must be doin something wrong
[03:33] <Madpilot> back copies?
[03:35] <grasshopper> *black
[03:37] <Madpilot> from the SVG or the png?
[03:37] <grasshopper> png
[03:37] <grasshopper> couldn'tg print from inkspace
[03:38] <grasshopper> epson stylus  photo rx425 should work
[03:38] <Madpilot> odd. it's a standard PNG, it should work
[03:38] <grasshopper> but havent really printed in color much so don't know
[04:47] <grasshopper>  Madpilot look slike i'll need to copy it to disk and take it somewhere to print . Does png translate to whatever people use out there, do  you know?
[04:47] <Madpilot> that depends on the shop you go to.
[04:47] <Madpilot> you might want to convert it to jpg in the GIMP, everyone knows what a jpg is.
[04:47] <grasshopper> most shops dont use Ubuntu as far as i know :)
[04:48] <Madpilot> PNG isn't a Ubuntu-only thing
[04:48] <grasshopper> k
[04:48] <Madpilot> phone around, someone might be able to grok PNG
[04:48] <grasshopper> Madpilot: joking, but is in'tit a linux thing only
[04:48] <Madpilot> then you won't risk loosing quality when you convert the PNG to jpg
[04:49] <Madpilot> no, Windows apps can create png
[04:49] <grasshopper> ok, well, in that case
[04:49] <grasshopper> darn printer
[04:49] <grasshopper> another wast of money
[04:51] <grasshopper> damn expensie cartridges, on top of that i don't get my print
[04:51] <Madpilot> in Inkscape, go File->Print, make sure it says "| lp" in the Print Destination box, then try to print the SVG again
[04:53] <grasshopper> Madpilot: does the size in png matter (zoomin in and out) or is the print fixed no matter what the apparent size
[04:53] <Madpilot> print it so it fills an 8.5x11 (or a4) sheet, and it'll be right
[04:55] <grasshopper>  print as bitmap?
[04:56] <grasshopper> or print using postscript operators
[04:56] <Madpilot> try that, move dpi up to 300 and it should print properly
[04:56] <Madpilot> Inkscape's printing is a bit of a black art, try several things and see what works.
[04:59] <grasshopper> inkscape still not printin
[04:59] <Madpilot> gah
[05:00] <Madpilot> does your printer work in other Linux apps?
[05:00] <grasshopper>  has done, for printing the printed word :(
[05:00] <grasshopper>  openoffice
[05:02] <poningru> hehe
[05:04] <Madpilot> printing in LInux is a f'ing mess, to be honest
[05:05] <grasshopper> well, that is a shame
[05:05] <grasshopper> its kinda a big part of the home desktop experience these days, with photos and all
[05:05] <Madpilot> true
[05:05] <grasshopper> Its printing now as a jpg!!!
[05:05] <Madpilot> from which app?
[05:06] <grasshopper> i sved it as jpg from gimp to /home/user_name opened it with default viewer, (same as for the png) and printed
[05:08] <grasshopper> ok, the colors don't look as true as on the computer. Much less orange but if you don't  know then you don't know the diference or the original. And its printed fine
[05:08] <Madpilot> but the png didn't work that way?
[05:09] <grasshopper> Madpilot: no, thats right, png didn't work that way
[05:09] <Madpilot> strange
[05:09] <grasshopper> got two sheets filled with precious black ink to prove it
[05:09] <grasshopper> Madpilot: the personal details at the bottom are too small actually
[05:10] <grasshopper> Madpilot: do you not use A4 paper in the US?
[05:11] <Madpilot> North America uses 8.5inches by 11inches as standard (Letter size)
[05:11] <grasshopper> i've got margins left on all sides, which i'll need to cut
[05:11] <grasshopper> weird
[05:11] <Madpilot> most printers can't actually do edge-to-edge printing
[05:12] <grasshopper> Madpilot: its just if it was stretched out to A4 it would be perfect in terms of the size of the script
[05:13] <Madpilot> if you load the SVG in Inkscape, you can bump the size of the text
[05:13] <grasshopper> its ok, just about, but especially the local contact section is a bit small. Looks like a legal disclaimer one is not supposed to notice
[05:14] <grasshopper> Madpilot: k
[05:14] <grasshopper> its very pleasing to see it on print though
[05:15] <grasshopper> Madpilot: hey, you didn't change the grammatical error in the Evolution paragraph :D
[05:15] <Madpilot> which one was that?
[05:16] <grasshopper> Evlolution 'can also' not 'also can'
[05:20] <Madpilot> fixed - want the updated SVG, or did you edit your copy already?
[05:21] <grasshopper> Madpilot: yes, give me the update, please
[05:21] <Madpilot> just a mo
[05:23] <Madpilot> fixed. http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_Pamphletv2.svg
[05:25] <grasshopper> Madpilot ave you printed one off yet?
[05:25] <Madpilot> my printer is currently out of ink, haven't bought new cartridges yet
[05:25] <grasshopper> hehe
[05:26] <grasshopper> what printer do you have?
[05:30] <Madpilot> an HP 5740, which does work from Inkscape, usually
[05:30] <grasshopper> Don't know that model, but HP do nice quality pics, although those cartridges are pricey
[05:32] <grasshopper> Madpilot: its definitely come out much more pink and red than orange and apricot as it does on my computer
[05:32] <Madpilot> colour management is fun
[05:32] <grasshopper> well, i expect the computer to just reproduce what is being printed off the screen
[06:00] <Madpilot> grasshopper, you're an optimist ;)
[06:08] <grasshopper> Madpilot: true! :p
[06:09] <Madpilot> slightly more seriously, colour management is even more arcane than printers on Linux...
[06:12] <grasshopper> Madpilot: sounds like an area that really needs catching up then
[06:13] <Madpilot> colour management on Windows and in full-blown commercial printing is arcane too, this isn't just a Linux problem
[06:13] <grasshopper> oh, well, in that case then ^^
[06:19] <grasshopper> by the way gimp doesn't open .svg here
[06:19] <grasshopper> Madpilot: if yoiu could send me teh editeed version in png
[06:19] <Madpilot> GIMP can't open SVG for anyone. That's what Inkscape is for.
[06:20] <grasshopper> want to convert to jpg
[06:20] <Madpilot> in inkscape, File->Export Bitmap
[06:23] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_Pamphletv2.png
[06:25] <grasshopper> thx Madpilot, i've done it through inksapce now anyways but good to have nonetheless
[06:25] <Madpilot> np
[06:29] <poningru> Madpilot: speaking of which any experience in converting a png to a vector?
[06:29] <poningru> err svg
[06:29] <Madpilot> converting SVG to vector? SVG is a vector format already
[06:29] <Madpilot> Png->SVG is possible thru Inkscape, but hard to do well
[06:31] <poningru> right
[06:31] <poningru> the latter
[06:32] <poningru> yeah I have tried experimenting but it came out like crap everytime
[06:32] <poningru> too blurry, no outline etc.
[06:32] <grasshopper> Madpilot: this time it didn't print. came out all black again. Just grateful one did come out, even if does have that dodgy sentence
[06:33] <Madpilot> crap... I hate printers :|
[06:44] <grasshopper> Madpilot: its worked now, weird  :|
[06:45] <Madpilot> I really hate printers. Have I mentioned that already?
[06:45] <grasshopper> Madpilot: i have a button on my printer 'fit to Page' but it hasn't done it
[06:45] <grasshopper> yea, you did  :)
[07:02] <grasshopper> Madpilot: well, that is two copies printed and laminated ready to go
[07:02] <grasshopper> Madpilot: thx, amigo
[07:02] <Madpilot> no problem
[07:02] <Madpilot> aren't printers fun?
[07:02] <grasshopper> no, i hate them  8-)
[07:03] <grasshopper> ready to hit the sack, 6 am here
[09:38] <jenda> sladen: ping
[12:46] <sladen> jenda: pong
[01:25] <jenda> sladen: wanted to ask if it would be possible to have a fridge entry in about a month from now about Ubuntu posters being shipped out worldwide.
[01:26] <jenda> I will lose big money if I sell less than 200 :( (won't gain any money till about 350 posters)
[01:27] <jenda> elkbuntu: check your inbox :) kudos from silbs
[01:28] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:29] <elkbuntu> i personally doubt you'll be stuck with that few.. there's so many lugs and enthusiasts who are going to want this sort of stuff
[01:42] <sladen> jenda: absolutely no problem.
[01:42] <sladen> jenda: Canonical and ubuntu are separate;  remember that if you, as a community person want something then other people will to
[01:56] <jenda> sladen: thx
[03:47] <jono> hey
[09:39] <MitchM_> asleep elkbuntu?
[10:09] <ompaul> MitchM_, I think she is even wondering if she can make the meeting given it is 8am her time ;-)
[10:10] <MitchM_> so your saying.... she might be asleep?
[10:10] <MitchM_> =)