[12:31] <bluefoxicy> was gtuxnes ever in universe
[12:40] <bluefoxicy>           perror (__FUNCTION__ ": malloc");
[12:40] <bluefoxicy> emu.c:893: error: expected ) before string constant
[12:40] <bluefoxicy> perror () __FUNCTION ": malloc"; // ? wtf no
[12:46] <welshbyte> hi Fujitsu
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Hi welshbyte.
[12:48] <welshbyte> what's the difference between the light green and dark green rows in the merge list?
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Dark green is less important, I think.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> And red is critical priority, I think.
[12:50] <welshbyte> ah ok
[01:02] <phanatic> any MOTUs around by chance?
[01:04] <phanatic> new upstream version of olive packaged and uploaded: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3033
[01:04] <phanatic> i'd be happy if someone could upload it for me
[01:04] <LaserJock> phanatic: are you upstream for that?
[01:05] <ajmitch> phanatic: bzr-gtk merged in yet?
[01:05] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[01:05] <phanatic> LaserJock: yes, i am
[01:05] <phanatic> ajmitch: not yet
[01:06] <phanatic> ajmitch: but the two projects will be merged soon probably
[01:07] <LaserJock> phanatic: cool, I just read about olive on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[01:08] <phanatic> LaserJock: i was a bit surprised when i read that :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock
[01:09] <LaserJock> phanatic: good surprised or bad surprised?
[01:09] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:10] <phanatic> LaserJock: good of course :) i didn't expect olive to appear in uwn
[01:15] <Fade> eurgh. I have a segfault in xemacs. :P
[01:16] <Fade> actually, one in emacs, too.
[01:16] <Fade> that puts a crimp in my style. ;)
[01:17] <LaserJock> Fade: on edgy?
[01:17] <Fade> yeah
[01:17] <Fade> I filed a bug on it today, but it's still untriaged.
[01:17] <phanatic> LaserJock: could you have a look at the olive package?
[01:17] <Fade> powerpc machine.
[01:18] <Fade> 58856@bugs.launchpad.net
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Fade, > 7000 bugs remain Untriaged :(
[01:18] <LaserJock> phanatic: well, I'm actually in the middle of something
[01:19] <phanatic> LaserJock: okay, just do that :)
[01:19] <Fade> yeah.. xemacs is serious, though. :) it isn't like it's somebody's GL biff.
[01:19] <LaserJock> Fade: well, I lot my network on my edgy machine, I'd take a broken xemacs anyday
[01:19] <LaserJock> s/lot/lost/
[01:20] <Fade> I actually think the package just needs to be relinked. it's a mismatched symbol in one of the fontlibs.
[01:20] <Fade> LaserJock: I'm sorry to hear that.
[01:20] <Fade> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xemacs21/+bug/58856
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58856 in xemacs21 "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Fade, try to rebuild it using apt, and see if it fixes it.
[01:21] <LaserJock> Fade: you could see if rebuilding the source package helped
[01:21] <LaserJock> heh
[01:21] <Fade> I'm actually in the middle of the build.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Oh yes, absolutely critical.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Good, Fade :)
[01:21] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it is!
[01:21] <LaserJock> I've never even install f-spot
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Silly mono. Bloated thing it is.
[01:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:21] <Fade> gack. mono makes me tired.
[01:21] <Fade> :D
[01:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not on edgy, no
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Mono makes me vomit.
[01:21] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: go sit in the corner
[01:22] <LaserJock> good boy ;-)
[01:22] <Fade> edgy lives up to its name.
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Yah.
[01:23] <Fade> I thought sid was a rough ride.
[01:23] <LaserJock> sid? hahaha
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Pfft. Sid's STABLE! (even though it's unstable)
[01:23] <Fujitsu> I like living on the edge, even though things regularly break >_<
[01:23] <Fade> sid is stable. :)
[01:24] <LaserJock> well, sid is pretty incremental
[01:24] <LaserJock> which I think turns into a fair amount of stability
[01:24] <Fujitsu> And Edgy is detrimental :P
[01:24] <LaserJock> well, edgy is just fast development
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[01:24] <Fade> I followed my toolchain out here.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> 2 days until FeatureFreeze... Yay.
[01:25] <Fade> I like the improvements in the kde shipped in knot2.
[01:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: uggg, don't remind me
[01:25] <Fujitsu> At least there's 23 days to handle the 200 universe merges.
[01:25] <Fade> although the kernel for powerpc in edgy is a disaster. initrd is busted.
[01:25] <Fujitsu>     self.data_split = struct.unpack('<3sbbHHHBHBBH7B4B4BB7BHBHHHHHHHHH4B4BbbhQlbHbBHHBBH', data)
[01:25] <LaserJock> Fade: ppc, who uses that? ;-)
[01:26] <Fade> I spend most days imersed in Python.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, haha.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Fade, as do I. But this is just over the top >_<
[01:26] <Fade> LaserJock -- people with a strong sense of engineering aesthetics. :)
[01:26] <Fade> what are you using it for?
[01:26] <LaserJock> well, I even bought an iMac (or rather my boss did) and I couldn't even get a ppc ;-)
[01:27] <Fade> I like the ppc architecture. the core is actually quite beautiful.
[01:28] <Fade> plus, powerbooks have been very solid for me. they hold  up well to extended road use.
[01:28] <LaserJock> I've only experienced one mac which is this Intel iMac my boss got
[01:29] <Fade> I haven't wanted a computer that looked like voltron since I was about ten. :)
[01:29] <LaserJock> heh
[01:29] <Fade> I hate the intel x86 stuff.. although the amd stuff has the alpha memory architecture and is indeed quite slick.
[01:30] <Fade> we just bought five hundred amd bladeservers at werk.
[01:30] <LaserJock> hmm, does Kubuntu ship with beagle?
[01:30] <Fade> fast fast
[01:30] <Fade> 8D
[01:30] <LaserJock> yikes
[01:31] <LaserJock> I'd  be happy if I got anything above a 3.0GHz P4
[01:32] <LaserJock> I've got a 1.3GHz P4 and an overclocked AMD 1800+ for dev work
[01:32] <LaserJock> :/
[01:32] <Fade> we just build an eight core opteron node to act as an arbitration machine for those blade servers. the amd stuff scales pretty well.
[01:32] <Fade> we haven't bought any intel for over 18 months.
[01:33] <LaserJock> interesting
[01:33] <LaserJock> we have a couple computational clusters in my dept.
[01:33] <LaserJock> 15-20 nodes
[01:34] <LaserJock> not very big I suppose
[01:39] <Fade> these are all systems that are heavily memory bound.
[01:39] <Fade> for those types of load, opteron kicks all kinds of ass.
[01:40] <Fade> I wish they had maintained the alpha roadmap. alpha would have been several orders of magnitude faster than opteron at these kinds of loads by now.
[01:41] <Fade> ah well. if wishes were horses. :)
[01:41] <Fade> I sekretly still pine for a modern lispmachine.
[01:54] <Fade> well, that's me. nite folks
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[02:00] <zul> hey
[02:00] <LaserJock> hi zul
[02:00] <zul> hey LaserJock how is it going?
[02:01] <LaserJock> it's going
[02:01] <grexk> hi zul
[02:01] <zul> hi grexk
[02:02] <imbrandon> heya zul , LaserJock and *
[02:02] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[02:02] <grexk> zul: I've been able to rebuild the packages but I can't create guest domain:(
[02:03] <zul> do you have xen-tools installed?
[02:03] <zul> hey imbrandon how goes it?
[02:04] <grexk> yes, I also rebuild the edgy version
[02:04] <imbrandon> zul: good, i've found the goodness of bip ;)
[02:04] <imbrandon> been playing with it all afternoon
[02:04] <zul> bip?
[02:04] <zul> grexk, not sure whats wrong then
[02:04] <imbrandon> and irc {bouncer,proxie}
[02:05] <imbrandon> s/and/an
[02:05] <grexk> zul: brb
[02:05] <imbrandon> like all the goodness of irssi + screen but with a graphicla clients ;)
[02:06] <imbrandon> zul:  its sits on my server and connects to irc for me and all my channells and then i connect to it with the cleint of my choice and dissconnect etc, all with the backlog kept when clients are "jumped"
[02:06] <zul> cool..
[02:07] <zul> so...uh when are we going to have debburn in universe ;)
[02:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:10] <grexk> zul: http://pastebin.ca/161075
[02:10] <grexk> zul: Right now I tried to install the upstream binary and it works well.
[02:11] <zul> which version is this?
[02:12] <grexk> xen-3.0.2-2-install
[02:12] <zul> you might want to try the newer version that i uploaded yesterday
[02:12] <grexk> waaa
[02:13] <grexk> ok, I'll try to rebuild again
[02:13] <zul> besides there could be issues with udev and xen and dapper just might want to try with edgy
[02:13] <zul> but basically you are on on your own with dapper
[04:21] <imbrandon> ello MOTU's
[04:27] <welshbyte> hey imbrandon
[04:28] <welshbyte> oops, i'm not a MOTU :)
[04:36] <imbrandon> heh s/MOTU's/MOTU's and Hopefulls ;)
[04:47] <zakame> hi all! :D
[04:47] <zakame> what's up in the universe?
[04:47] <crimsun> bug count.
[04:49] <imbrandon> ugh yet nother uvf , instead of a 1.4.2 patchset they are calling it 1.4.3
[04:49] <imbrandon> well i guess thats ok, but still
[04:50] <imbrandon> heya crimsun and zakame
[04:50] <crimsun> is it easily backported to Ubuntu's 1.4.2 current source package?
[04:50] <crimsun> um, crackful word order there. "...Ubuntu's current 1.4.2 source package", rather.
[04:51] <imbrandon> crimsun, yea thats whay i'll probably do
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh
[04:51] <imbrandon> what*
[04:51] <crimsun> yeah, probably saner than requesting another UVFe
[04:55] <zakame> yo crimsun and imbrandon
[04:56] <crimsun> 'lo Zak, Brandon :)
[04:56] <imbrandon> tar -jxvf amarok-1.4.3.tar.bz2
[04:56] <imbrandon> grr
[05:19] <hub> who is thelinux@free.fr?
[05:20] <crimsun> Frederic Lietart <thelinux@free.fr>
[05:20] <hub> nick on IRC?
[05:20] <crimsun> no idea about irc nick [yet] 
[05:20] <hub> ok
[05:21] <welshbyte> thelinuxfr
[05:21] <hub> ah
[05:21] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/people/thelinux
[05:27] <Fujitsu> I should probably write an intro too....
[05:28] <crimsun> intros are probably best pasted during the meeting
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[05:28] <crimsun> I'd use the wiki page to outline your plans as a MOTU [and eventual core-dev] 
[05:28] <imbrandon> yea a good 2 or 3 sentances with a wiki link
[05:29] <crimsun> (i.e., instead of placing an intro on your wiki page, just place your MOTU plans at the top of your wiki page)
[05:30] <crimsun> TB members already have a fairly nice overview of package contributions via LP's Packages link
[05:30] <Fujitsu> What do you mean by plans?
[05:31] <imbrandon> are you going for MOTU or Membership ?
[05:31] <crimsun> you will be asked the equivalent of "What do you plan to do as a MOTU [with universe & multiverse upload privileges] "
[05:31] <Fujitsu> I'm going for membership...
[05:31] <Fujitsu> Not MOTUship yet!
[05:31] <crimsun> ah, CC
[05:32] <Fujitsu> Yah, CC.
[05:32] <crimsun> your LP> Packages link should speak for itself
[05:32] <crimsun> it would be good to iterate those points regarding MOTU plans...which you have hopefully.
[05:33] <Fujitsu> It does, with a little over 40 packages, and 6 or 7 pending sync requests... And I'm working on a couple more merges at the moment.
[05:33] <Fujitsu> I don't have plans as such.
[05:33] <Fujitsu> I'm just merging for the moment...
[05:33] <crimsun> my perspective as an observer is that the less time the CC [& TB]  have to spend processing you, the better. As such, you'll want to streamline all the information for them.
[05:34] <Fujitsu> Probably!
[05:34] <crimsun> (as with anything, prep work before the meeting demonstrates digilence to a degree)
[05:35] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[05:35] <Fujitsu> How important is having supporters? I've only got one person coming to support me so far, and he's not that active in the community any more.
[05:36] <crimsun> quite
[05:36] <LaserJock> *cough*
[05:36] <Fujitsu> ?
[05:36] <crimsun> get the MOTU who have sponsored you to speak up on your behalf.
[05:36] <crimsun> s/get/ask/
[05:37] <Fujitsu> You've done a fair bit, crimsun... Can you please speak up on my behalf?
[05:37] <crimsun> sure. I think the time is clear
[05:37] <crimsun> (6 PM local)
[05:38] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks :D
[05:38] <imbrandon> when is the next CC i'll come too , i've uploaded one ot two for ya that were good
[05:38] <imbrandon> ( if you want heh )
[05:38] <Fujitsu> It's in about 18 hours.
[05:38] <Fujitsu> Thanks, that'd be good :)
[05:38] <imbrandon> @schedule us/central
[05:38] <ubuntu-es> imbrandon: Error: "schedule" is not a valid command.
[05:38] <imbrandon> errm
[05:39] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, won't work in here...
[05:39] <hub> who decide what should be backported?
[05:39] <LaserJock> the backports team I suppose
[05:39] <hub> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/exiv2/+bug/52879 <- I ask for this bug for exampe
[05:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52879 in exiv2 "Update to 0.10" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[05:40] <crimsun> hub: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000179.html
[05:40] <hub> yeah so I have to get the backport team to approve it
[05:40] <hub> (I didn't file the bug)
[05:41] <imbrandon> yea , to speed things up you can attache a log of it building unchanged in a dapper-pbuilder
[05:41] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters
[05:41] <hub> imbrandon: it build as is
[05:41] <hub> I know I did it for testing :-)
[05:42] <hub> crimsun: I just need to cc them?
[05:42] <imbrandon> subscribe them ( although two of them you are speaking to right now hehe )
[05:42] <hub> ok
[05:42] <imbrandon> they will check it and subscibe the archive
[05:43] <imbrandon> thus the speedup if you attach the log so we dont have to test build it in dapper pbuilder ;)
[05:45] <hub> I don't have a dapper pbuilder anymore
[05:46] <Fujitsu> Do you guys think I've done enough to qualify for membership?
[05:46] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yes ( or i wouldent have volenteered to come ;P )
[05:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: uh, yeah
[05:46] <imbrandon> but its ultimately upto the CC , but i dont think you'll have a problem
[05:47] <Fujitsu> OK, good...
[05:47] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, ?
[05:47] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yes, you have done enough to qualify, IMO :-)
[05:47] <crimsun> the raging ubuntu-aholic MOTU is just nodding his affirmation.
[05:48] <Fujitsu> I hope so :)
[05:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:48] <imbrandon> how go's it LaserJock
[05:48] <printk> Yes, I too am planning on contributing to become a member.  I have been using ubuntu for about a day now (but linux for over 10 years).  Very much impressed and would love to help out
[05:48] <LaserJock> bah, crazy as ever imbrandon
[05:48] <printk> so I'll probably be hanging around here more often (as i've also subscribed to mailing lists)
[05:48] <printk> gona take it in slow at first see what needs to be done
[05:48] <crimsun> printk: excellent
[05:48] <LaserJock> planted a couple trees in the back yard this weekend
[05:48] <imbrandon> printk, great
[05:49] <LaserJock> printk: right on!
[05:49] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe i read that as "painted" the first time and i was like HUH ?
[05:49] <imbrandon> lol
[05:49] <LaserJock> heh
[05:49] <LaserJock> well, we were thinking of getting some green spray paint for the grass
[05:49] <imbrandon> heh the artist / chemist / motu-aholic LaserJock ;)
[05:50] <imbrandon> heh astroturf
[05:50] <Fujitsu> Thanks for agreeing to come to support me crimsun, imbrandon :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> heck yeah, the real stuff is too hard to do in the desert
[05:50] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'll probably be there as well so can talk about MOTU Science work
[05:51] <imbrandon> heh my house in nv had like a 2 foot by 2 foot "green" yard , the rest was rocks
[05:51] <Fujitsu> Ah, thanks LaserJock :)
[05:51] <Fujitsu> 3 MOTUs is more than I expected :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sorry, I don't think I can make it :)
[05:52] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm trying to do ~25'x60'
[05:52] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you should try & get your gpg key signed
[05:52] <ajmitch> if you haven't already :)
[05:52] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[05:52] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I know... I was going to see infinity or the like at some point.
[05:52] <ajmitch> hello imbrandon
[05:52] <Fujitsu> And I think 3 should do, ajmitch :)
[05:53] <ajmitch> there are a few DDs in melbourne
[05:53] <imbrandon> well 2.75 , i'm still a semi new motu ;)
[05:53] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, there are?
[05:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: me too :/
[05:53] <printk> when you guys say get your gpg key signed... is it best to meet someone who is a member/MOTU or just a trusted key signer period?
[05:53] <Fujitsu> I haven't looked for DDs, admittedly.
[05:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yeah, take a look at the debian-melb list - not very active list, but ask around for a keysigning if you can
[05:54] <ajmitch> or LUV
[05:54] <LaserJock> printk: I'd say Ubuntu member or Debian Developer are ideal
[05:54] <printk> k
[05:54] <ajmitch> win 23
[05:55] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:55] <Plug> 23, eh
[05:55] <Plug> I cut down on all of mine recently
[05:55] <Plug> back to 13
[05:55] <Fujitsu> 23? 13?
[05:55] <imbrandon> heh i have over 35
[05:55] <ajmitch> Plug: I've got a few more than that
[05:56] <Plug> (irssi) windows
[05:56] <ajmitch> (btw hi)
[05:56] <Plug> (hi!)
[05:56] <Plug> ajmitch has signed my gpg key
[05:56] <Plug> (...so has sabdfl!)
[05:56] <Fujitsu> :O
[05:56] <Fujitsu> Really?
[05:56] <ajmitch> sure
[05:56] <ajmitch> at LCA
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[05:57] <Plug> And Bdale Garbee.
[05:57] <Plug> That one used to take years to get. ;)
[05:57] <Fujitsu> ?
[05:57] <ajmitch> I used to have russell coker's, on my old key
[05:57] <ajmitch> who is also in melbourne
[05:58] <ajmitch> he's usually in the top 5 most connected
[05:58] <Plug> In fact, I have two @ubuntu.com sigs, from the two aforementioned people.
[05:58] <Plug> You been hired yet ajmitch? :)
[05:58] <ajmitch> Plug: hah funny
[05:59] <Plug> I assume I'm two away from him through people like Brendon O'Dea
[06:01] <Fujitsu> Where can I locate a list of DDs around Melbourne?
[06:01] <ajmitch> as I said, debian-melb mailing list could be useful
[06:01] <ajmitch> iirc I'm still on that
[06:01] <Fujitsu> There is one?
[06:01] <ajmitch> yes
[06:02] <LaserJock> I managed to get mako, dholbach, and ogra's sig in Paris
[06:03] <Fujitsu> Where's the debian-melb list?
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Is it run by LA?
[06:04] <ajmitch> http://taz.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debian-melb/
[06:04] <ajmitch> 2nd hit
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[06:06] <printk> there is this also Fujitsu :
[06:06] <printk> https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php
[06:06] <Fujitsu> Wow.
[06:15] <ajmitch> hi slomo
[06:18] <Plug> Fujitsu: Fly me to wherever you are for a week
[06:18] <Plug> and I'll sign your GPG key for you
[06:18] <Fujitsu> Heheh. Or not :P
[06:18] <Plug> you two can be twice removed from sabdfl and ajmitch!
[06:18] <Fujitsu> It's being nasty...
[06:19] <ajmitch> Plug: why would he choose you to fly over?
[06:19] <Plug> well, you _are_ ajmitch
[06:19] <Plug> so he wouldn't be twice-removed from you, he'd be once-removed
[06:19] <Plug> and it might interfere with his bacon number
[06:20] <Fujitsu> Bacon number!?
[06:20] <Plug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_number
[06:20] <Fujitsu> python2.4-minimal isn't upgrading, it raises an `empty set of versions' error when `Linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python 2.4...'
[06:21] <Fujitsu> (on Edgy)
[06:23] <Fujitsu> Ah... Bug 57604...
[06:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57604 in python2.4 "Edgy Eft : upgrade error!!!!" [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57604
[07:06] <welshbyte> lifeless: ping
[07:07] <lifeless> pong
[07:07] <lifeless> what can I do for  you ?
[07:08] <welshbyte> lifeless: bug #887 is yours isn't it?
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 887 in gnu-smalltalk "blox-tk was not built because of bad tkConfig.sh" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/887
[07:08] <welshbyte> lifeless: do you think it's closeable? :)
[07:10] <lifeless> yes, see the bug log ;)
[07:13] <welshbyte> cool, thanks :)
[07:15] <welshbyte> bddebian's gonna kill me for that :)
[07:17] <imbrandon> ugh
[07:17] <imbrandon> (vmplayer:31116): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[07:17] <imbrandon> wth does that mean
[07:27] <crimsun> imbrandon: Edgy?
[07:29] <imbrandon> yup
[07:33] <crimsun> path looks screwy.
[07:33] <crimsun> I don't see anything using /usr/lib/vmware/lib/, but I do see /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/
[07:35] <crimsun> i.e., does creating the /usr/lib/vmware/ symlink seem to mask that error?
[07:35] <crimsun> caveat, I'm working w/ packages.ubuntu.com, so it may be outdated
[07:36] <imbrandon> kk lemme try, one sec on the phone
[07:44] <imbrandon> re
[07:45] <imbrandon> nope crimsun same thing
[07:45] <imbrandon> no biggie i'll mess with it tomarrow
[08:01] <Kagou> hi raphink
[08:01] <raphink> yop Kagou
[08:01] <ajmitch> hello raphink
[08:02] <raphink> hi ajmitch :)
[08:02] <Kagou> ping hub
[08:04] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:05] <Kagou> hey dholbach
[08:06] <dholbach> hey Kagou
[08:07] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Evening, dholbach.
[09:17] <Chons> good morning. can I see somewhere if someone already packaged radrails? (www.radrails.org)
[09:18] <Chons> otherwise I would like to start building a package of it
[09:19] <lionelp> Hi Chons
[09:19] <lionelp> Check on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <lionelp> (in Edgy)
[09:20] <lionelp> check on debian (packages.debian.org)
[09:20] <lionelp> check revu (http://revu.tauware.de/)
[09:20] <lionelp> you can have a look on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[09:20] <lionelp> and on bugs.debian.org if an ITP has been made
[09:22] <Chons> ok, thanks!
[09:22] <lionelp> Chons: I think nobody start packaging it
[09:22] <lionelp> but cheks, my memory can be deficient :)
[09:25] <Chons> yes, it looks like it. so I will start this evening. shoudn't be too difficult
[09:27] <lionelp> not so easy IMHO, it depends on Eclipse, on Java..
[09:49] <frandavid100> hello
[09:49] <ajmitch> hi
[09:49] <frandavid100> I've noticed that there is no internet control software on the repos
[09:49] <frandavid100> internet cafe I mean
[09:50] <frandavid100> I also found this program, http://ccl.sourceforge.net/?page=download, maybe this is asking too much but could anyone compile it for universe?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> feel free to package it?
[09:51] <frandavid100> I tried to do it myself but I think I'm too dumb or something, can't get a proper package
[09:53] <Hobbsee> eek, fun
[09:53] <frandavid100> and I think this is needed on the repos, I once showed ubuntu to a cafe owner who really liked it, but the lack of a control program kept him from using it on hid computers
[09:55] <ajmitch> gah, rhythmbox is broken
[09:55] <ajmitch> my life is ruined
[10:29] <xerxas_> Hi
[10:30] <xerxas_> I'm a MOTU enthusiasts
[10:30] <xerxas_> how can I help ?
[10:30] <xerxas_> doing bug triage ?
[10:30] <xerxas_> packaging not packaged stuff ?
[10:30] <xerxas_> I read the packaging guide , and want to package
[10:30] <xerxas_> but don't know what to package
[10:33] <grexk> xerxas_: package you/others want that is not included in repo
[10:34] <xerxas_> grexk, is there a list of these package somewhere ?
[10:35] <xerxas_> does anyone wish to be my MOTUMentor ?
[10:45] <lloydinho> hi xerxas, have you read the relevant wiki pages?
[10:45] <xerxas> lloydinho, not sure, not all
[10:45] <xerxas> but some of them, for sure
[10:46] <lloydinho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates shows programs that people have requested to be packaged
[10:46] <xerxas> ok
[10:46] <lloydinho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors
[10:46] <xerxas> I have read Mentors
[10:46] <xerxas> I didn't for candidates
[10:46] <xerxas> Candidates are softwares that aren't packaged at all ?
[10:47] <xerxas> is it a good start to learn packaging ?
[10:47] <lloydinho> shows a list of the MOTUs who are willing to be mentors, try to contact one or them who shares your interests directly.
[10:47] <lloydinho> oh. I wouldn't know, really.. :-)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> xerxas: yeah, it is.
[10:47] <Hobbsee> ask in here for help
[10:47] <xerxas> ok
[10:48] <lloydinho> oh, and be sure to read the Packaging Guide on tips on how to get started.
[10:48] <lloydinho> (available in the System Help)
[10:48] <xerxas> ok , I want to try to package Agro UML , it's in the list of candidates, it's a UML interface , it's coded in java , good to start ?
[10:49] <xerxas> lloydinho,  I read it
[10:49] <lloydinho> xerxas, cool. Sounds like you're all ready to go, then. :-)
[10:50] <xerxas> lloydinho,  :)
[10:50] <xerxas> lloydinho,  starting with a java package, is it a good idea ?
[10:50] <xerxas> make the work harder, no ?
[10:50] <xerxas> what about license ?
[10:51] <xerxas> or maybe, I can try with cocinella, a jabber client with witheboard
[10:52] <xerxas> i think it's tcl/tk
[10:52] <xerxas> lloydinho,  if I build a packge, It must be for edgy ?
[10:53] <lloydinho> xerxas, I'm not a MOTU, so I'm not really qualified to answer all of these questions.
[10:53] <xerxas> lloydinho,  ok
[10:53] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  ? any answer ?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> xerxas: it must be for edgy, yes
[10:54] <Hobbsee> java stuff can be hard, it depends
[10:54] <Hobbsee> anything that you package has to be under the GPL
[10:54] <xerxas> Hobbsee, ok , but tcl/tk should be simple , right ?
[10:54] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  ok , no BSD
[10:54] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  if a candidate has BSD license, I should change the wiki ?
[10:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: um, say what?
[10:55] <thom> Hobbsee: eh?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or there other licences that we can ues?
[10:55] <ajmitch> lies, all lies!
[10:55] <thom> Hobbsee: one or two yes
[10:55] <Hobbsee> right.  ask thom and ajmitch all these questions
[10:55] <thom> Hobbsee: much java stuff is under apache source license v2
[10:55] <thom> bsd is also fine
[10:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: if you wish to start removing anything not under GPL, start with glibc & x.org
[10:56] <Hobbsee> thom: ahh....
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right.  point
[10:56] <ajmitch> the licenses don't even have to be gpl-compatible
[10:57] <ajmitch> as long as they're not used to link with gpl code
[10:57] <ajmitch> hence I can probably get ironpython in, which is a microsoft shared source license
[10:59] <Hobbsee> oh right
[10:59] <xerxas> ok
[11:00] <xerxas> so, is cocinella , a tcl/tk jabber client with whiteboard
[11:00] <xerxas> a good start for a beginner ?
[11:00] <ajmitch> really hard to say without knowing the software
[11:00] <xerxas> ok
[11:00] <ajmitch> it might have a nice, simple build system & all go well
[11:00] <xerxas> ajmitch, so let's start :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> or it may not
[11:01] <xerxas> ajmitch, would you will to be my mentor ?
[11:01] <ajmitch> I can't guarantee I'll be around much - it's something that'll take more than just one evening
[11:01] <xerxas> so first, I need either to have an edgy system or a pbuilder with edgy ?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> either
[11:02] <xerxas> I don't have an edgy system
[11:02] <xerxas> ok
[11:03] <ajmitch> right, I just grabbed the source, it doesn't look like it'll be something good to start with
[11:05] <xerxas> ajmitch,  ok
[11:05] <xerxas> so let's jump to another one
[11:09] <xerxas> packaging diva would be hard since it seem to need gstreamer-cvs
[11:09] <xerxas> but these informations are pretty old
[11:13] <xerxas> ajmitch, Hobbsee: is dogtail a good start ?
[11:13] <xerxas> pyspi / dogtail
[11:14] <xerxas> python-at-spi is already in dapper and edgy
[11:15] <xerxas> ahh, dogtail and pyspi are already packaged , but are on Packages/Candidates
[11:15] <ajmitch> it's a page that doesn't get cleaned up often
[11:21] <xerxas> ajmitch, should I clean it up ?
[11:21] <xerxas> I mean at least remove python-at-spi and dogtail ?
[11:21] <ajmitch> it would be a help
[11:25] <xerxas> ajmitch,  ok , done , what do you think about gnash ?
[11:25] <xerxas> a gnu flash player
[11:26] <xerxas> but I think it must be cvs
[11:26] <xerxas> ok
[11:26] <xerxas> will try then
[11:45] <xerxas> ajmitch, is it a good idea to package gnash for edgy if I can't test it ?
[11:45] <xerxas> I'm doing this remotely on a dapper with an edgy pbuilder
[12:13] <phanatic> hello everyone
[12:14] <ajmitch> hi phanatic
[12:14] <phanatic> hi ajmitch
[12:14] <ajmitch> xerxas: no, I wouldn't want to package something I couldn't test
[12:14] <ajmitch> siretart: ping
[12:15] <xerxas> ajmitch,  I'll soon have adsl at my home
[12:15] <xerxas> probably this evening
[12:15] <xerxas> I'll install an edgy asap
[12:15] <xerxas> so maybe it's not vain to start now
[12:15] <xerxas> :)
[12:15] <xerxas> but I wouln't upload the package yesterday ;)
[12:15] <xerxas> neither tomorrow :)
[12:16] <ajmitch> check that there aren't already people packaging it
[12:16] <welshbyte> morning
[12:16] <ajmitch> there's a debian ITP bug open for it, so there are at least people looking at it in debian
[12:16] <ajmitch> ah
[12:17] <phanatic> i'm still looking for reviews and possibly advocates: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3033 thanks :)
[12:17] <ajmitch> correction, there's a package made
[12:17] <phanatic> hi welshbyte
[12:17] <welshbyte> ello phanatic
[12:17] <ajmitch> http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnash.html
[12:20] <Fade> I have kernel packages that are fairly customised for a powerbook using reiserfs for the root filesystem if anybody needs them.
[12:20] <Fade> (edgy)
[12:25] <xerxas> ajmitch,  so ?
[12:25] <xerxas> ajmitch,  should I take debian's package ?
[12:25] <xerxas> and sync it with edgy ?
[12:28] <xerxas> ajmitch, should I jump to another package ? or resync the debian one within edgy ?
[12:28] <ajmitch> xerxas: yes, the best way to do that is by testing that the debian package builds & works as-is on edgy
[12:28] <ajmitch> since we prefer to not change things when it's not needed
[12:28] <xerxas> download orig.tar.gz and dsc ?
[12:29] <ajmitch> and diff.gz
[12:29] <xerxas> pbuilder build gnahs.dsc ?
[12:29] <xerxas> ok
[12:29] <xerxas> ajmitch,  will try that then
[12:29] <xerxas> ajmitch,  what about packaging firefox extensions ?
[12:29] <ajmitch> if you're brave :)
[12:29] <xerxas> it's hard ?
[12:30] <ajmitch> it's probably not well documented, since there aren't many of them
[12:30] <xerxas> ok
[12:30] <ajmitch> and you'd mostly be looking at other extension packages to see how its done
[12:30] <xerxas> ok ok
[12:30] <xerxas> thanks
[12:30] <xerxas> ajmitch,  will try gnash
[12:30] <xerxas> then I'll see
[12:30] <ajmitch> ok
[12:31] <xerxas> ajmitch,  can I do a apt-get source gnash/sid or gnash/experimental with adding deb-src apt sources for debian ?
[12:32] <ajmitch> yes, you should be able to
[12:32] <xerxas> ok
[12:33] <xerxas> do you see a problem by adding all debian apt sources ?
[12:33] <xerxas> deb and deb src , stable, testing, unstable, experimental ?
[12:33] <Fade> the namespaces will collide with source lines for ubuntu if you build a lot of ubuntu packages.
[12:33] <xerxas> which one ?
[12:33] <ajmitch> xerxas: yes, you'll quite likely break everything
[12:33] <xerxas> k
[12:34] <Fade> the behaviiour in such a case is sort of undefined because the ubuntu packages are numbered differently and out of sync with debian.
[12:34] <xerxas> won't play with that then :)
[12:34] <xerxas> thougth I don't see where the namespace can collide
[12:34] <thom> xerxas: install devscripts and use dget with the dsc file from packages.debian.org
[12:34] <xerxas> should I do some apt pinning to to that ?
[12:34] <xerxas> thom,  ok
[12:34] <xerxas> thanks
[12:34] <Fade> that would by my first guess.
[12:39] <siretart> ajmitch: pong (@work)
[12:45] <Sp4rKy> \o
[12:45] <xerxas> thom, I don't find dget in devscripts
[12:47] <xerxas> root@dready:~# dpkg -L devscripts  |grep dget
[12:47] <xerxas> root@dready:~#
[12:51] <dholbach> is it installed?
[12:52] <ajmitch> hm
[12:52] <xerxas> dholbach, seems so as dpkg -L lists some files
[12:52] <xerxas> root@dready:~# dpkg -L devscripts  |wc -l
[12:52] <xerxas> 134
[12:53] <xerxas> I'm currently running dapper
[12:53] <Hobbsee> cool....
[12:53] <xerxas> Hobbsee, dget seems to be debian wget for source packages
[12:54] <xerxas> or that's apt-get source ?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> looks like debian wget, accordign to the manual
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  you have to specify the .changes or .dsc file...
[12:54] <xerxas> dget may be a script you give a dsc url it download diff and orig
[12:54] <xerxas> yes, that's it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:55] <xerxas> E: Couldn't find package libgtkglext1-dev
[12:55] <xerxas> W: Unable to locate package libgtkglext1-dev
[12:55] <xerxas> it's not in edgy ?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Filename: pool/universe/g/gtkglext/libgtkglext1-dev_1.0.6-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:56] <Hobbsee> it is
[12:56] <xerxas> so why does pbuilder complains ?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> xerxas: got universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there's a checkbashisms script here
[12:57] <xerxas> Hobbsee, maybe not
[12:58] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Where
[12:58] <StevenK> devscripts
[12:58] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: see devscripts -L
[12:58] <StevenK> checkbashisms is a waste of time
[12:58] <Hobbsee> er, dpkg -L devscripts
[12:58] <xerxas> Hobbsee, how do I add universe in a pbuilder chroot ?
[12:58] <Fade> /usr/bin/checkbashisms
[12:58] <Fade> ;)
[12:58] <xerxas> found it
[12:58] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[12:58] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:58] <xerxas> :)
[12:59] <xerxas> Hobbsee, I don't need to rebuild my chroot , right ?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> xerxas: you need to sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[12:59] <xerxas> ok
[12:59] <Hobbsee> not rebuild, no.  just update
[12:59] <xerxas> Hobbsee, and then , I should remove it  ?
[12:59] <xerxas> to make clean packages next time
[12:59] <xerxas> ?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> xerxas: well, most of the packages you'll be modifying are in universe anyway, so can depend on other universe things
[01:00] <Hobbsee> you'll need to take out any unnoficial, etc, repositories though
[01:01] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  ok
[01:02] <TheMuso> StevenK: Why so?
[01:02] <Fade> hrmn. if you have a package that builds fine but then fails in the debhelper package assembly stage, how do you correct the problem and then generate the package without actually recompiling the whole thing?
[01:02] <Fade> well, assuming you know how to correct the problem. :)
[01:02] <Fade> need coffee.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> using ccache, somehow, i think
[01:03] <TheMuso> Fade: How are you building the package?
[01:04] <Fade> well, apt-build failed kind of strangely, but dpkg-buildpackage -b ran the compile fine, and then failed like this:
[01:04] <Fade> dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)
[01:04] <Fade> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[01:04] <Fade> make[1] : *** [xemacs21]  Error 1
[01:05] <thom> xerxas: guess it's new in edgy then:
[01:05] <thom> : 13:03 ~ % dpkg -L devscripts G dget
[01:05] <thom> /usr/bin/dget
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Fade: s/2/7/
[01:05] <Hobbsee> er, change 2 to 0
[01:05] <Fade> yeah, I got that much, but xemacs takes fourtyfive minutes to build on my powerbook, and I'd rather reuse all that work.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Fade: i believe you can use ccache somehow, with pbuilder.
[01:08] <welshbyte> count yourself lucky.. took my pc 16 hours to build openvrml
[01:08] <ajmitch> welshbyte: don't try building OO.o then
[01:08] <welshbyte> ajmitch: very wise advise, i suspect
[01:15] <Fade> where does pbuilder create the chroot, and how much space does it take up?
[01:18] <welshbyte> Fade: somewhere under /var/cache/pbuilder/ i expect, maybe .../build/
[01:19] <welshbyte> no idea how much space it takes up but at a guess about as much as a base ubuntu install + package deps
[01:19] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz is the usual place
[01:20] <Fade> hrmn. I doubt I have the space to build packages like this.
[01:20] <Fade> is anybody else here on powerpc?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Fade: perhaps build in your home dir or something.  or make more space
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:22] <StevenK> welshbyte: My amd64 edgy chroot is a 75Mb tarball
[01:23] <welshbyte> StevenK: i stand corrected :)
[01:23] <StevenK> Whereas my i386 edgy chroot is 80Mb
[01:24] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% du -ch /var/cache/pbuilder/base-* | tail -n 1
[01:24] <StevenK> 412M    total
[01:24] <StevenK> That's with six base tarballs.
[01:26] <Fade> does pbuilder just use the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:28] <b_52Free> hi
[01:29] <welshbyte> hello
[01:31] <welshbyte> Fade: have a look in /etc/pbuilderrc for APTCONFDIR
[01:32] <Fade> welshbyte: thanks
[01:38] <cbx33> hi guys
[01:38] <cbx33> need a little help....with some packaging
[01:38] <Fade> well, I set APTCONFDIR to /etc/apt (it was an empty string), but the build dsc for xemacs21 doesn't run because it can't satisfy the libcanna1g-dev dep, which is available.
[01:38] <cbx33> I have a sourcedir for apt-get source
[01:38] <cbx33> and I have my source that I have edited
[01:39] <cbx33> I have edited multiple files, but would like to issue a single patch in the patches direcotry
[01:39] <cbx33> what is the best way to achieve this?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> cbx33: have you incremented the changelog as well?
[01:39] <cbx33> I will do
[01:40] <cbx33> should I change the name of the source folder too
[01:40] <ogra> cbx33, if its a cdbs package, use cdbs-edit-patch
[01:40] <cbx33> to increment the version
[01:40] <ogra> copy the changed files into the patching session and hit ctrl-d
[01:41] <cbx33> it does it all for you?
[01:41] <ogra> do the changelog entry with dch -i then and ping me
[01:41] <Fade> well, it doesn't set it to anything by default according to dumpconf and the installation notes for pbuilder on the wiki indicate that it should be ready to go.
[01:41] <cbx33> ok
[01:41] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[01:42] <Fade> what should it be set to?
[01:43] <infinito> hi!
[01:43] <Fade> should I follow the apt.config step outlined for warty/breezy?
[01:43] <infinito> is there anyway to remove a package from revu??
[01:43] <infinito> i mean, from revu.tauware.de
[01:43] <Hobbsee> infinito: poke a MOTU to archive it, yes
[01:44] <infinito> ummm, any MOTU here to archive laptoptemp?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> infinito: why do you want it removed, out of curiousity?
[01:46] <infinito> Hobbsee: no longer maintained, now upstream is computertemp, not laptoptemp
[01:46] <Fade> shouldn't you build computertemp with a conflicts/replaces tag?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> !info laptoptemp
[01:46] <ubotu> Package laptoptemp does not exist in any distro I know
[01:46] <Hobbsee> !info laptoptemp edgy
[01:46] <ubotu> Package laptoptemp does not exist in edgy
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Fade: not if it never made it into the archives
[01:47] <Fade> well, that was my one assumption. :)
[01:47] <infinito> it is in revu since january, but never got uploaded
[01:50] <Hobbsee> i cant see the page upstream, either...
[01:51] <infinito> Hobbsee: upstream is now http://computertemp.berlios.de/ but berlios seems down now...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yes, that's what i saw
[01:53] <Fade> lol. who upgrades a production system in the middle of day in your operational timezone?
[01:53] <Fade> whackjobs.
[01:53] <cbx33> ping ogra
[01:53] <cbx33> done dch...sorry ported whole thing across to my preferred build machine
[01:56] <ogra> put it online so i can have a look
[01:56] <infinito> Hobbsee: mirror in here http://infinito.mine.nu/~fito/computertemp/    a bit slow anyway...
[01:58] <cbx33> ogra: that's a little difficult I'm at the school, I can't ftp/ssh/sftp/anything
[01:58] <cbx33> :(
[01:59] <ogra> so we'll have to wait until you get home then ...
[01:59] <cbx33> ogra: ok....I have to go out this evening to a family gathering...and then again on wednesday....
[01:59] <cbx33> I'm not best pleased
[01:59] <cbx33> which only leaves me Thurs
[01:59] <cbx33> if I miss the deadline for FF can we still get this stuff in?
[02:00] <Fade> why can't you get out?
[02:00] <Fade> bounce your traffic out a different port.
[02:00] <cbx33> Fade: is against our TOS
[02:00] <Hobbsee> cbx33: unless it's into main, yes
[02:01] <Fade> =p
[02:01] <ogra> SCP needs to go to main, yes
[02:01] <cbx33> Hobbsee: then I'm screwed.....I'll pull a midnight session
[02:01] <Hobbsee> infinito: looks good
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ogra: does it need to be done by FF?  or get an exception?
[02:01] <cbx33> ogra: if we get everything in bar VNC, as I havn't spoken to rodarvus yet
[02:01] <cbx33> could we add VNC after FF?
[02:01] <ogra> not sure
[02:01] <cbx33> I'll try to catch rodrigo when I can
[02:02] <cbx33> he said he wthought we could make it
[02:03] <cbx33> I'm trying my best to get it all in in time
[02:03] <cbx33> essentially, the VNC stuff is already in SCP
[02:03] <cbx33> so it's not a new feature
[02:03] <cbx33> all that's needed is a patch to x11vnc right ?
[02:03] <cbx33> I'm sure you can swing us that one oh great ogra :D
[02:08] <Fade> well, pbuilder is hella neat.
[02:12] <xerxas> FYI: root@dready:/home/xerxas# apt-file search /usr/bin/dget
[02:12] <xerxas> root@dready:/home/xerxas#
[02:12] <xerxas> on a dapper
[02:13] <Fade> apt-file appears broken.
[02:13] <Fade> because it returns nothing on my system (edgy) when the package is there.
[02:14] <welshbyte> Fade: did you build apt-file's database before using it for queries?
[02:14] <Fade> I just installed it.
[02:16] <Fade> perhaps that should be filed as a bug against apt-file. ;)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Fade: not really
[02:17] <Hobbsee> it should return with an error though, if it finds nothing
[02:18] <Fade> it would probably be a good move to generate the db in postinst.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Fade: perhaps.  if the same line of logic were for pbuilder....
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Fade: also, depends how big it is - if it took a while, you'd get bugs about the system locking up
[02:21] <Fade> well, it'd depend on the network, because it seems to grap the package files from the upstream apt pool.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> true
[02:21] <Fade> pbuilder might be one of the most impressive shell scripts I've seen.
[02:22] <Fade> definitely in the top five.
[02:22] <Fade> Junichi Uekawa is a ninja.
[02:22] <Fade> this must have been a bitch to debug.
[02:23] <cbx33> what's the option is debuild to build without the archives?
[02:23] <cbx33> something like
[02:23] <cbx33> debuild -Sa
[02:23] <cbx33> I can't remember it
[02:23] <Hobbsee> debuild -S -sa
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i suspect
[02:23] <cbx33> yup
[02:23] <cbx33> thanks
[02:23] <welshbyte> that makes it include the full sources
[02:23] <cbx33> thanks
[02:23] <cbx33> thats what I wanted
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra: I think I have figured cdbs-edit-patch out
[02:27] <cbx33> I have my source pacakge
[02:27] <cbx33> just pbuilding it
[02:27] <ogra> great
[02:28] <cbx33> rodarvus said there is no gaurantee on VNC
[02:28] <cbx33> I'#m suggesting....though I really don't want to....we defer to edgy + 1
[02:28] <cbx33> how do I update my pbuilder chroot?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> cbx33: sudo pbuilder update
[02:28] <cbx33> it's package lists etc?
[02:29] <cbx33> hmm
[02:29] <cbx33> i did that, but.....oh hang on.....I'll try again
[02:29] <Fade> it seems to want --override-config
[02:29] <Fade> when you're building on edgy.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Fade: only if you've changed the config
[02:29] <Hobbsee> or distro, etc
[02:29] <Fade> 'k
[02:39] <cbx33> :(
[02:42] <Fade> i know that feeling.
[02:43] <cbx33> i have some partitions at the beginning of the disk
[02:43] <cbx33> is it possible to delete them and extend my ext3 partition?
[02:43] <Fade> <-- laptop is only computer local to him
[02:43] <Fade> is it managed by LVM?
[02:43] <Kagou> May be is there a busy motu (i don't know if they exist ;) ) to review my http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3035
[02:43] <cbx33> no I don;t think so
[02:43] <cbx33> unfortunately
[02:43] <Fade> no
[02:44] <Fade> you can try to extend the partition with parted, but I don't know if that preserves data.
[02:44] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:44] <cbx33> it's not fair
[02:44] <cbx33> I'm goign to have to get rid of OO.org
[02:44] <Hobbsee> cbx33: you can build in your /home if you prefer
[02:44] <cbx33> true
[02:44] <cbx33> but then I only have 2 Gb in there
[02:45] <Hobbsee> point
[02:45] <Hobbsee> or anywhere else
[02:45] <Fade> so I guess theoretically it's possible to build ubuntu packages using a debian host with pbuilder, huh?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> just set it in pbuilderrc
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Fade: uh, yeah.  or vice versa.
[02:45] <Fade> cbx33 -- well, I have a shell machine with a lot of disk that you could use.
[02:46] <Fade> but you'd have to do everything in your home dir.
[02:46] <cbx33> Fade: not here :p
[02:46] <cbx33> I can't get ssh access
[02:46] <cbx33> but thank you for the offer
[02:46] <Fade> n'p
[02:47] <cbx33> Fade: I may need to call you up on that offer
[02:47] <cbx33> but not yet
[02:54] <cbx33> Why when I try to remove pessulus does it try to remove edubuntu-desktop too ogra ?
[02:54] <cbx33> i want to remove it so I can try my new pacakge
[02:55] <cbx33> any ideas?
[02:55] <cbx33> can i just force the removal of the package?
[02:56] <ogra> just remove it ...
[02:56] <ogra> and install edubuntu-desktop later again
[02:59] <cbx33> ok
[03:00] <Fade> well, xemacs is really fusked.
[03:00] <Fade> relinking it didn't help
[03:02] <cbx33> ogra: just installed pessulus.....and........IT WORKSS !!!!
[03:03] <cbx33> with support for per user mandatory keys too
[03:03] <ogra> :)
[03:03] <ogra> cool !
[03:04] <cbx33> now I can work on the SCP integration which should take all of 2 minutes
[03:04] <cbx33> and SCP will be done
[03:13] <cypher1> hi dholbach!
[03:13] <cbx33> hey dholbach
[03:53] <welshbyte> hey bddebian
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:54] <bddebian> Hi welshbyte
[03:54] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[03:54] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[03:56] <bddebian> welshbyte: Did you play any more with azureus?
[03:58] <welshbyte> bddebian: not much, i got as far as figuring out that it needs libraries that are provided by the next version of eclipse (yay, depend on a 30MB package) or by swt-gtk which isn't in ubuntu because it has been blacklisted
[03:58] <bddebian> Nice :-)
[03:59] <bddebian> Gah, freakin' meetings already :-(
[04:00] <welshbyte> swt-gtk basically provides the libraries that eclipse provides in a smaller package but it also conflicts with eclipse, which is why it's been blacklisted, apparently... but i did some more digging and it has FTBFS bugs too
[04:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what meeting?  oh, work meeting?
[04:03] <welshbyte> 8 hours til the CC meeting *gulp*
[04:04] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:04] <xerxas> ajmitch,  you there ? or Hobbsee  ?
[04:04] <xerxas> I built gnash from debian's sources
[04:04] <Hobbsee> welshbyte: you're going for membership?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> xerxas: i'm around, yes.  doesnt mean i know anything though
[04:05] <xerxas> but without adding ubuntu1 to the version
[04:05] <welshbyte> Hobbsee: yeah, thought i'd give it a shot :)
[04:05] <Fade> !58856
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 58856 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Hobbsee> welshbyte: nice :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Fade: you want bug 58856
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58856 in xemacs21 "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58856
[04:05] <StevenK> Oh nice.
[04:05] <xerxas> Hobbsee, to sum up , I wanted to package gnash , it is in debian experimental , i have done a pbuilder build gnash.dsc , it creates debs for edgy
[04:06] <xerxas> what next ?
[04:06] <welshbyte> Hobbsee: not sure i have much of a fan club at the moment though, i need more work to do
[04:06] <Hobbsee> xerxas: does it install in edgy too?
[04:06] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  I have built it in a pbuilder, I don't have an edgy installed yet
[04:06] <xerxas> I'll have internet access tomorrow at my home
[04:06] <Hobbsee> xerxas: you can check if it installs with a pbuilder
[04:06] <xerxas> ok
[04:06] <Hobbsee> xerxas: sudo pbuilder login
[04:07] <plugwash> welshbyte isn't the correct way to handle the SWT issue to change the eclipse source package to generate seperate packages for swt and eclipse?
[04:07] <tepsipakki> hey, how deep are we in the freeze process? I'm the maintainer of the infamous gtkpod-aac-package, and there is a new version (0.99.4 vs. 0.99.2) which is a bug-fix release
[04:07] <Hobbsee> and in a new console window, type sudo cp /path/of/debs/created/*.deb /path/listed/at/the/end/of/pbuilder/login
[04:07] <Hobbsee> xerxas: then sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:08] <Hobbsee> xerxas: it'll likely complain about the dependancies, so run apt-get -f install.  if that all works without a problem, you can request a sync.
[04:08] <StevenK> You should also try and run the thing.
[04:09] <welshbyte> plugwash: iirc it does, but a) i'm not sure if all of the libraries have been broken out of it in this context and b) the libraries in the eclipse source package are older than in debian's swt-gtk at the moment
[04:09] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that requires great evil, with no edgy system though.
[04:09] <StevenK> Depends.
[04:09] <StevenK> Testing Python modules is simple. :-)
[04:09] <xerxas> StevenK, gnash is a flash player
[04:09] <Fade> who maintains the xemacs package in ubuntu?
[04:10] <StevenK> Fade: I'm to blame for the last merge.
[04:10] <welshbyte> plugwash: and the context is trying to get azureus to build, which requires the newer versions of the libraries
[04:10] <xerxas> Hobbsee, I'm logged in in my chroot
[04:10] <Fade> StevenK: sweet. :) could you look at my bugreport?
[04:10] <xerxas> how do I copy packages within it ?
[04:10] <plugwash> welshbyte update the eclipse package?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> xerxas: you have to copy packages outside the chroot
[04:10] <StevenK> Fade: I just did. I have no idea. :-)
[04:10] <plugwash> or is that in main and untouchable or something
[04:10] <Fade> I relinked and got rid of the symbol complaint. I build vanila source which fails the same way.
[04:11] <Fade> one of the dependencies is all fuscked. possibly libxaw3d
[04:11] <StevenK> Surely it's libxaw3d's problem?
[04:11] <Fade> GNUEmacs is also bjorked.
[04:11] <Fade> which I only just found out.
[04:12] <Fade> I'm wondering if maybe it's a locale issue, but this is the only machine I have atm, and I don't have much leeway for trying to debug the package.
[04:12] <welshbyte> plugwash: yeah that's one solution to look into, but it looks scary
[04:12] <StevenK> Fade: Dapper or Edgy?
[04:13] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  ok
[04:13] <xerxas> thanks
[04:13] <xerxas> Hobbsee, not sure I got it, isn't the chroot the base.tgz ?
[04:14] <xerxas> it's extracted when I do a pbuilder login
[04:14] <Fade> edgy
[04:14] <xerxas> so I should tar cvf my-debs base.tgz ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> just copy the deb into the folder at the top, and then run dpkg -i *.deb
[04:19] <Fade> xemacs-gnome-nomule runs
[04:19] <Fade> unless you try to edit the faces, then it dies.
[04:22] <StevenK> Fade: So you're running a development release and you don't have much leeway for debugging?
[04:24] <Fade> well, in the sense that I don't have a lot of time to do it.
[04:24] <Fade> as long as ssh works, I'm good to go.
[04:25] <Fade> but I installed edgy to help as much as I can. :)
[04:27] <Fade> is there any more info I should give?
[04:32] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool!
[04:34] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[04:34] <Toadstool> how are you?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i'm okay :)  one of my assignments got delayed by 4 days, so i'm being utterly entirely lazy
[04:35] <Hobbsee> pity there's one due on thurs night, which i havent started yet
[04:35] <Toadstool> heh
[04:35] <Toadstool> go work, you lazy girl! :p
[04:43] <Fade> oi. it appears to originate in xlibs
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: :P
[05:06] <xerxas> Hobbsee, my packages are installing correctly within my pbuilder chroot of edgy
[05:06] <Hobbsee> xerxas: cool
[05:07] <xerxas> Hobbsee, but if I run gnash, it seg fault, probably due to the chroot env
[05:07] <xerxas> (no user, running as root )
[05:07] <Hobbsee> xerxas: ahhhh....
[05:07] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  I obviously need a running edgy ...
[05:07] <Hobbsee> true
[05:08] <xerxas> will soon have that , but I'm not at that point
[05:08] <Hobbsee> or someone here who's running edgy to try it out
[05:08] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  would you mind testing my packages ?
[05:08] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  you're not running edgy ?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 785/994MB, 107 proc's, 6.38h up
[05:08] <Hobbsee> i'm running edgy.
[05:09] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  I have several packages
[05:09] <xerxas> some for gnome, some for mozilla , some for konqueror
[05:09] <xerxas> can I paste 6 lines ?
[05:09] <xerxas> or should I use a paste bin ?
[05:09] <Toadstool> xerxas: you can use dchroot if you want to run apps as a normal user in you chroot
[05:09] <xerxas> Toadstool, dchroot on a pbuilder environment ?
[05:10] <Toadstool> oh
[05:10] <Toadstool> no :)
[05:10] <xerxas> I have these packages:
[05:10] <xerxas> gnash-tools_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> gnash_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> klash_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> konqueror-plugin-gnash_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> libgnash-dev_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> libgnash0_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <xerxas> mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.7.1+cvs20060820.2237-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <slomo> xerxas: from debian? sounds like candidates to sync :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> slomo: yes.  assuming it works
[05:11] <Hobbsee> slomo: tell him how to request syncs from debian experimental please :P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> slomo: i want to go to sleep
[05:11] <xerxas> Hobbsee, go sleep
[05:11] <xerxas> I won't bother you anymore
[05:12] <xerxas> slomo,  ?
[05:12] <slomo> here :) ok, could you please upload them somewhere? the binaries that is
[05:12] <Hobbsee> xerxas: you werent bothering before, it's okay.  and those packages will depend on each other.  or some will depend on the others
[05:12] <slomo> too lazy to build them myself ;)
[05:12] <xerxas> slomo,  I have some builds in a pbuilder
[05:13] <Hobbsee> slomo: heh
[05:13] <xerxas> slomo,  but don't know where to upload
[05:13] <xerxas> do you have somewhere to ?
[05:13] <slomo> xerxas: nothing public, no :( try dcc to me
[05:13] <xerxas> slomo,  I have 6 packages
[05:13] <Hobbsee> or email
[05:13] <xerxas> slow upload
[05:14] <xerxas> but this packages are rather small
[05:14] <slomo> xerxas: i only want the ones without k at the beginning ;) how large are they?
[05:14] <xerxas>  slomo  mail ?
[05:14] <slomo> slomo@ubuntu.com
[05:14] <xerxas> the lib is 1,3 mo
[05:14] <xerxas> others are around 100 K
[05:14] <xerxas> the lib-dev is 1,3 Mb
[05:14] <xerxas> the lib is 800 k
[05:14] <xerxas> you don't need the dev, right ?
[05:15] <slomo> no
[05:16] <xerxas> oops
[05:16] <xerxas> It's not on my local computer
[05:16] <xerxas> it's remote
[05:16] <slomo> how long does it take to build it? maybe that's faster =)
[05:19] <xerxas> slomo,  no it took more than 1 hour on my p II 400
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, well....
[05:19] <slomo> so 10-15 minutes for me ;)
[05:19] <xerxas> P II 400 :)
[05:19] <xerxas> yep
[05:19] <xerxas> it's on my parents home gateway
[05:20] <xerxas> I hope I'll have adsl at my home this evening or tomorrow
[05:20] <slomo> xerxas: anyway, need to get food now :) i'll look at it afterwards and help you with filing a sync request from experimental
[05:21] <xerxas> ok
[05:21] <slomo> btw, gn8 Hobbsee :)
[05:21] <xerxas> slomo,  tommorow
[05:21] <Hobbsee> night...
[05:21] <xerxas> I'm in france
[05:21] <xerxas> it's 5:20 PM
[05:21] <xerxas> need to leave work
[05:21] <xerxas> slomo,  I'll get back to you tomorrow
[05:21] <xerxas> I'm sending the debs right now
[05:21] <slomo> xerxas: i'm probably not online tomorrow :/
[05:22] <xerxas> later then ...
[05:22] <xerxas> or just write me a mail
[05:22] <xerxas> my name is samuel maftoul
[05:22] <xerxas> I have all files here ...
[05:22] <xerxas> sent in 2 minutes
[05:23] <slomo> ok :) for the sync request... just file a bug with the package name, debian version and part from debian where this should be synced from
[05:23] <slomo> if you do it now i'll ack it later and we probably have it tomorrow already ;)
[05:25] <xerxas> ok
[05:25] <xerxas> slomo,  I didn't tested my builds
[05:25] <xerxas> please test it , and tell me by mail if it seems to work
[05:26] <slomo> xerxas: ok, and give me the bugnumber please :) i'll fix everything missing there and ack it if everything works, ok?
[05:26] <xerxas> slomo,  so you want me to fill the bug now ?
[05:27] <xerxas> and give you the bug number ?
[05:27] <xerxas> slomo,  do you wish to be my mentor
[05:27] <xerxas> ?
[05:27] <slomo> yes... i'll care for everything else after you filed the bug ;)
[05:27] <slomo> sure
[05:27] <slomo> but i won't have too much free time until monday :/
[05:27] <xerxas> k
[05:27] <xerxas> no problem
[05:27] <xerxas> slomo,  you're in united states ?
[05:28] <slomo> germany
[05:28] <xerxas> ok
[05:28] <xerxas> we have pretty much in the same timezone
[05:28] <xerxas> cool
[05:28] <xerxas> not pretty much
[05:28] <xerxas> just we are !
[05:28] <xerxas> :)
[05:28] <xerxas> so let's go fill a bug
[05:28] <xerxas> -> launchpad ?
[05:29] <slomo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[05:29] <xerxas> *
[05:29] <xerxas> in the summary ?
[05:29] <xerxas> what I should put ?
[05:29] <slomo> look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/service-discovery-applet/+bug/58230 for an example of a sync request :)
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58230 in service-discovery-applet "Please sync service-discovery-applet from debian/unstable" [Untriaged,Fix released] 
[05:32] <slomo> but don't subscribe ubuntu-archive yet... i'll do it after verifying that it really works :)
[05:32] <xerxas> yep
[05:32] <xerxas> slomo,  bug report very minimal
[05:32] <xerxas> gnash" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[05:33] <xerxas> should I fill it under I don't know ?
[05:33] <xerxas> (did you get the mail ? )
[05:33] <Hobbsee> file it under i dont konw, yes
[05:33] <slomo> xerxas: just leave "package" on "don't know"
[05:33] <slomo> and yes, i got the mail... i'll test after getting something to eat :P
[05:34] <xerxas> ok
[05:34] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/59041
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59041 in Ubuntu "gnash sync from debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[05:34] <xerxas> is it ok ?
[05:35] <xerxas> can I go home ?
[05:35] <xerxas> can you go eat ? ;)
[05:35] <slomo> yep :) thanks
[05:35] <Hobbsee> xerxas: s/with/from, and you want to include the version number that you want to sync in there
[05:35] <Hobbsee> they may also want the component
[05:36] <xerxas> Hobbsee, theres only one version , cvs , it's in experimental repo
[05:36] <slomo> Hobbsee: planned to add that later when ack'ing the report :P
[05:36] <xerxas> slomo,  I'll look attentively at the bug ...
[05:36] <xerxas> so I can see your updates and learn from that !
[05:36] <xerxas> :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> slomo: ah okay
[05:38] <xerxas> bye !
[06:07] <bdk-pcf> hi folks, quick question...  is it possible to get new packages added to dapper universe?
[06:08] <welshbyte> quick answer is yes
[06:09] <bdk-pcf> awesome, how would i go about doing it?  I already build them, I just need to get them in the repository
[06:09] <welshbyte> long answer is you need to package it and upload it to REVU or find someone who is willing to do it for you
[06:09] <welshbyte> !revu
[06:09] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[06:10] <bdk-pcf> thanks
[06:11] <slomo> bdk-pcf, welshbyte: not to dapper universe... only to edgy universe
[06:11] <welshbyte> oh. yes. sorry... missed that
[06:12] <welshbyte> need more sleep
[06:12] <bdk-pcf> ohh, that's different.  the package is in debian right now, so it'll make it to edgy
[06:15] <bdk-pcf> supposing edgy is the current distro, and the package is in there.  Is there a way to get it updated when new versions come out?
[06:26] <kagou> hub, around ?
[06:26] <hub> sort of
[06:31] <kagou> hub, i'v answered at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3035 if you want we can talk about ( i prefer in french in private) but as you want
[06:33] <zul> where is the wiki page for importing stuff into bazaar in launchpad?
[06:57] <AnAnt> one of my uploads has dissappeared from REVU, where has it gone ? kchmviewer is the package
[06:58] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[06:59] <AnAnt> ping siretart
[07:00] <AnAnt> ping crimsun
[07:00] <AnAnt> ping ajmitch
[07:00] <hub> AnAnt: it has been archived?
[07:01] <AnAnt> hub: how do I know, it was advocated by one reviewer until yesterday
[07:01] <hub> look in the archives
[07:01] <AnAnt> hub: wheres that ?
[07:02] <hub> there is a link
[07:02] <hub> "show archived uploads"
[07:02] <AnAnt> ok, following it
[07:03] <AnAnt> COOL, it is marked Ready for Upload :)
[07:03] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks !
[07:03] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[07:03] <AnAnt> hub: thanks for the info
[07:14] <AnAnt> later
[08:20] <phanatic> evening
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> heya phanatic
[08:24] <phanatic> heya Gloubiboulga, could you check the new olive package?
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> sure
[08:25] <phanatic> thanks
[08:26] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3033
[08:34] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, Now running lintian...
[08:34] <Gloubiboulga> E: olive source: missing-dh_python-build-dependency python | python-dev | python-all-dev
[08:34] <Gloubiboulga> everything seems to work fine though
[08:34] <phanatic> there wasn't an error like that last time if i remember well
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> I think you're right
[08:44] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, python-central depends on python anyway
[08:45] <ivoks> hi
[08:45] <ivoks> phanatic: hi
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> so python is installed, and dh_python happy
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> hi ivoks
[08:45] <phanatic> hi ivoks
[08:45] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: so it is fine then?
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, fine for me
[08:46] <Gloubiboulga> (i.e. uploading)
[08:47] <phanatic> thanks, Gloubiboulga
[09:18] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[09:19] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yo
[09:20] <AnAnt> bddebian: finished your meetings ?
[09:20] <AnAnt> bddebian: about acon
[09:20] <AnAnt> bddebian: it should be set with +s to work
[09:21] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yeah, I saw your msg, thx
[09:21] <bddebian> I've just been swamped again :-(
[09:21] <AnAnt> bddebian: btw, kchmviewer is archived for upload now
[09:22] <bddebian> Sweet, congrats!
[09:26] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:26] <AnAnt> anyone knows about the wxgtk package ?
[09:26] <AnAnt> is wxgtk-2.7 going to be in Edgy ?
[09:27] <slomo> AnAnt: crimsun probably
[09:27] <AnAnt> crimsun: is wxgtk-2.7 going to be in Edgy ?
[09:27] <LaserJock> AnAnt: the first question probably is most often to look at what Debian unstable has
[09:27] <AnAnt> aha
[09:28] <AnAnt> I need to understand something about wxgtk
[09:28] <AnAnt> why does it follow the rules, that there should be an orig & diff ?
[09:28] <AnAnt> it only has a tarball that is modified
[09:30] <AnAnt> LaserJock: Debian unstable is 2.6
[09:31] <LaserJock> well, that happens sometimes when there are a lot of changes that need to be made
[09:31] <AnAnt> ic
[09:31] <LaserJock> so much so that it really isn't the same source anymore
[09:31] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that is exactly the case with wx
[09:31] <AnAnt> ok
[09:32] <AnAnt> bddebian: please dont forget acon when you become free
[09:32] <LaserJock> If Debian unstable is at 2.6 then I'm guessing Edgy will have 2.6 unless somebody decides to package 2.7 up
[09:32] <AnAnt> LaserJock: will Ubuntu  accept 2.7 without the changes they've done ?
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not
[09:34] <AnAnt> I thought so
[09:35] <AnAnt> well, gotta go
[10:04] <ajmitch> morning
[10:05] <welshbyte> hey ajmitch
[10:05] <lucas> has a backport of ekiga and related libs been considered ?
[10:06] <ajmitch> no idea, check with the backports people
[10:32] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:59] <welshbyte> bddebian: meeting's starting soon if you're interested
[12:03] <bddebian> doh
[12:03] <bddebian> When?
[12:03] <welshbyte> imminent
[12:05] <ajmitch> ~now
[12:05] <bddebian> Uhm, ain't much happening :-)
[12:06] <ajmitch> CC has yet to appear
[12:08] <Hobbsee> dont they have elmo and kamion in there?
[12:08] <ajmitch> yes, they need 1 or 2 more, probably