[12:14] <LaserJock> real life has been kicking my tail lately
[12:15] <ogra> kick it back :)
[12:15] <LaserJock> and for some reason my edgy box decided to not have a network anymore
[12:15] <LaserJock> :(
[12:15] <LaserJock> so I'm installing Knot2 to see if I can get it going
[12:15] <LaserJock> I also but in a different network card
[12:15] <LaserJock> s/but/put/
[12:16] <Amaranth> restart didn't fix, will debug later
[12:16] <Amaranth> time for food
[12:20] <LaserJock> my last knot2 try with the old netowork card died on OO.o deps or something
[12:20] <cbx33> right time to kick some SCP ass
[12:27] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[12:27] <cbx33> you already have a .desktop file in there?
[12:28] <cbx33> ah nevermind
[12:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, got a sec for a packaging question?
[12:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: shoot
[12:49] <cbx33> debian-rules-missing-required-target binary-arch
[12:49] <cbx33> :S?
[01:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> I've got edubuntu here at home, but when I upgraded to 6.10 my DHCP and ltsp isn't running. Any ideas?
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra, had some problems with module names
[01:47] <cbx33> hopefully building the final test deb now
[01:50] <cbx33> it's bloody broken it all
[01:50] <cbx33> ogra....it's gonna have to be tomorrow
[01:50] <cbx33> sorry dude
[01:50] <cbx33> it's bugger up the module names now
[01:58] <ogra> well ...
[02:05] <cbx33> ogra, done it
[02:05] <cbx33> I've fixed it
[02:05] <cbx33> I wasn't goign to goto bed till I did
[02:05] <cbx33> I have pessulus and scp ready
[02:05] <ogra> wow
[02:06] <ogra> you rock !
[02:06] <cbx33> do you want debs or the source debs
[02:06] <cbx33> ogra, there was some buggery in python
[02:06] <Amaranth> source debs are always better :)
[02:06] <cbx33> you cannot have a module name with a - in it
[02:06] <cbx33> which I wasn't aware of
[02:06] <cbx33> so when I built the site-pacakges dir for the plugins
[02:06] <cbx33> it was 
[02:06] <cbx33> student-control-panel
[02:06] <cbx33> which died
[02:06] <cbx33> grrr
[02:06] <cbx33> but it's all fixed now
[02:07] <cbx33> I'll upload it sir
[02:07] <ogra> ah :)
[02:07] <cbx33> hope you like
[02:07] <jsgotangco> wha? you guys are all doing an all-nighter?
[02:07] <cbx33> in edgy+1 I recommend a complete re hash of scp
[02:07] <cbx33> and restructure
[02:08] <cbx33> well I am
[02:08] <cbx33> and I still havn't done the MIR :S
[02:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, i just finished the last lines of the login/session selection stuff in ldm ... and cbx33 rocks the worls with a finished SCP and pessulus
[02:09] <ogra> *world
[02:09] <jsgotangco> whoa
[02:09] <pygi> jsgotangco, yes :P
[02:09] <jsgotangco> im sorry i haven't been much help develoment-wise
[02:10] <ogra> i havent found a sane way to translate all the locales yet ...
[02:17] <cbx333> ogra, 
[02:17] <cbx333> www.progbox.co.uk/main-additions
[02:17] <pygi> night all
[02:18] <cbx333> I havn't checked one aspect of it
[02:18] <cbx333> but it's a minor thing :p
[02:19] <cbx333> oh bugger
[02:19] <cbx333> dang it
[02:21] <cbx333> ok updated
[02:21] <cbx333> ok
[02:23] <cbx333> ogra, seeing as my updated version of SCP isn't in universe
[02:23] <cbx333> for availability chall I reference that link I just gave you?
[02:26] <cbx333> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionStudentControlPanel ogra Burgwork 
[02:26] <cbx333> does that look ok?
[02:27] <ogra> cbx333, it needs to be the universe package you refer to in "Availablility" 
[02:27] <cbx333> even though that's not up to date?
[02:27] <ogra> Needed to assist in the maintenance of edubuntu LTSP servers and planned addition for edgy
[02:28] <ogra> pitti wont read it tonight ;)
[02:28] <cbx333> ok
[02:28] <cbx333> we ok to fix up tomorroe
[02:28] <cbx333> will you give me a few mins to sort it all out
[02:28] <ogra> what about the dependencies ? 
[02:28] <ogra> you only list the build deps
[02:28] <cbx333> oh shute yeh
[02:29] <cbx333> pessulus
[02:29] <cbx333> ok
[02:29] <ogra> thats in main
[02:29] <cbx333> dang that's not in control either
[02:29] <ogra> just drop the brackets
[02:29] <cbx333> there is a bug in the package
[02:29] <cbx333> the xdg autostart file isn't starting scp-client on user login
[02:30] <ogra> oh, why ? 
[02:30] <cbx333> I'm not sure
[02:30] <cbx333> just restarting X
[02:30] <cbx333> to find out why
[02:31] <cbx333> the program is in the right place and runs fine :S
[02:31] <cbx333> just waiting to test again
[02:31] <cbx333> how soon can we get scp into universe...the updated pacakge I mean?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> wtf i have to run ie on this machine
[02:36] <cbx333> ogra, I still can't see why it's not loading scp-client at logon
[02:36] <cbx333> but that's not critical right now
[02:36] <cbx333> I can fix that tomorrow
[02:36] <cbx333> nn eveyone
[02:36] <cbx333> 4 hours sleep here I come :D
[02:40] <Amaranth> i've almost gotten all the bugs i can find out of willowng 0.3
[02:40] <ogra> enjoy
[02:40] <Amaranth> one or two left
[02:41] <Amaranth> did anyone ever check to see if firefox honors gconf proxy settings?
[02:48] <rodarvus> ogra, do you still need help with xauth?
[02:49] <ogra> rodarvus, i have no idea whats wrong with it ... but it seems i cant log in properly after i logged out (unrelated to the session handling stuff, i saw it before)
[02:50] <ogra> its a bug, fine to fix it after ff
[02:50] <rodarvus> good
[02:53] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: where would I pull that code from?
[02:53] <Burgundavia> should I remove the packaged willow-ng?
[02:53] <Burgundavia> cbx333: have you also got some code for me to test?
[02:54] <Amaranth> hold on, let me push
[02:55] <Amaranth> bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng
[03:01] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: error: can't copy 'build/willowng.desktop': doesn't exist or not a regular file
[03:02] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, I don't have build essental
[03:02] <Burgundavia> hey bddebian
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya Burgundavia
[03:51] <Amaranth> damn custom error pages
[03:53] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[03:53] <Amaranth> they don't work :P
[03:56] <Amaranth> as far as i can tell everything else works but you get some headers for output instead of an error page when you hit something that got blocked
[03:57] <Amaranth> and firefox doesn't use gconf proxy settings :/
[04:03] <Burgundavia> ogra: I would love it if you could write a five line summary of ltsp in edgy over dapper for the UWN
[04:03] <ogra> Burgundavia, not before FF 
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ogra: hmm working at home is enjoyable at first..i discovered
[04:04] <ogra> i'm up since 22h ... and need some sleep and have to implement one spec tomorrow
[04:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, absolutely ...
[04:05] <ogra> you can mow the lawn while compiling a big package etc ...
[04:07] <ogra> night all...
[04:07] <ogra> Amaranth, final review submitted btw ...
[04:07] <Amaranth> cool
[04:42] <_acesuares> hi all
[04:42] <_acesuares> anyone awake ??
[04:43] <_acesuares> I am looking for a speaker on a small conference on education in Curacao (www.curacao.com) for
[04:43] <_acesuares> 4 or 5 october. How would I locate such speaker ?
[07:15] <LaserJock> Amaranth: how'd the willowng testing go?
[07:15] <Amaranth> as far as i can see everything but error pages works
[07:16] <Amaranth> but firefox does not honor gconf proxy settings
[07:16] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm wondering what to do on the KDE side
[07:17] <LaserJock> I don't use KDE very much so I'm not very familiar how it would work
[07:17] <LaserJock> I was able to figure out where it stored the proxy settings for konqueror
[07:17] <Burgundavia> for the menu stuff?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> KDE uses the same menu
[07:18] <LaserJock> willowng
[07:18] <Burgundavia> ugh
[07:18] <Burgundavia> that is another thing: like the lockdown keys, that needs to be freedesktop-ed
[07:18] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:19] <LaserJock> it really would be nice to have a common place for common things
[07:19] <Amaranth> everything i can find says to use iptables to do transparent proxying
[07:19] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yeah, that's what I was going to try to look at
[07:19] <Amaranth> i was told not to do it
[07:20] <_acesuares>  I am looking for a speaker on a small conference on education in Curacao (www.curacao.com) for
[07:20] <_acesuares> [22:44]  <_acesuares> 4 or 5 october. How would I locate such speaker ?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: remember the guy at Ubucon who was grilling me on KDE support?
[07:20] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps
[07:21] <Burgundavia> he asked Chris during the final wrapup
[07:21] <Burgundavia> after Chris said what Canonical was doing
[07:21] <Amaranth> http://in-cider.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1F17474AB1F2CE52!338.entry <--w00t
[07:22] <Amaranth> hacky but i'll take it
[07:22] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah?
[07:22] <Burgundavia> you want it to automatically change the proxy info for the browser, without having to manually change the browser?
[07:22] <Amaranth> perhaps i can get whoever takes care of firefox to setup part of that for me
[07:23] <Amaranth> so i only need to add/remove things from the prefcalls.js file
[07:23] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: yeah
[07:23] <Amaranth> basically it looks like the plan now is to set debconf and gconf proxy settings, do that firefox hack, then use iptables to block access to port 80 for everyone but willowng
[07:24] <Burgundavia> that is a major hack
[07:24] <Amaranth> yep
[07:24] <Burgundavia> apps should honour the HTTP_PROXY ENV variable
[07:25] <Amaranth> should
[07:25] <Amaranth> i'll set that one too, thanks
[07:26] <LaserJock> that iptables bit is also difficult
[07:26] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:26] <Amaranth> sleep time, have to wake up in 3 hours
[07:26] <LaserJock> ugg
[07:28] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock Amaranth and Burgundavia!
[07:28] <Burgundavia> morning high
[07:28] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, even
[07:28] <highvoltage> :)
[07:29] <Burgundavia> hmm, funny at work today. My workmate comes in and we start talking about Linux and he says "Ya, my buddy is now running that sinking ship Linux"
[07:29] <Burgundavia> fun roll loops!
[07:30] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[07:30] <highvoltage> sinking ship Linux?
[07:31] <LaserJock> yeah, we suck ;-)
[07:31] <Burgundavia> no, Gentoo
[07:32] <LaserJock> ah
[07:32] <Burgundavia> http://funroll-loops.org/
[07:32] <Burgundavia> for the record, that is whiprush's page
[07:33] <Burgundavia> something I learned at LWE
[07:33] <LaserJock> what? really?
[07:33] <LaserJock> haha
[07:33] <LaserJock> ah Gentoo, I miss those days sometimes
[07:34] <Burgundavia> never did that crack and thus I have never "missed" it
[07:34] <highvoltage> heh
[07:34] <LaserJock> it really is a nice distro
[07:34] <LaserJock> but it is different
[07:34] <highvoltage> I used to miss Gentoo, I installed it a few weeks ago (just to try the new GUI installer), and found that I wasn't really missing /that/ much.
[07:34] <LaserJock> it's how I got started on Linux
[07:35] <highvoltage> LaserJock: probably a sentimental thing then :)
[07:35] <LaserJock> sorta
[07:35] <highvoltage> i liked that i could leave my computer overnight to compile things
[07:35] <highvoltage> it gave me a feeling that my computer was working while I was sleeping
[07:36] <highvoltage> which made me feel more productive :)
[07:36] <LaserJock> but debian/ubuntu is the only thing that has matched it in terms of having all the software I need
[07:36] <LaserJock> heh
[07:37] <Burgundavia> that is utter crack, you realize that
[07:37] <highvoltage> that's what pulled me to debian as well. I didn't have to download and compile anything when I started using debian. and testing and unstable always had (or at least has) very new versions of all the software available.
[07:37] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: not for me anyway
[07:37] <LaserJock> or were you talking to highvoltage
[07:37] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: 
[07:37] <highvoltage> before debian I used to use slackware and SuSE, it's been ages since I used them now.
[07:37] <highvoltage> Burgundavia
[07:39] <LaserJock> i wasn't into gentoo for the source so i eventually looked for a binary gentto
[07:39] <LaserJock> *gentoo
[07:39] <LaserJock> that's how I ended up with Ubuntu
[07:40] <Burgundavia> we have stolen a lot of users from Gentoo, I think
[07:42] <LaserJock> i can believe that
[07:45] <LaserJock> the thing is, I  found gentoo to be very easy to install and use
[07:45] <LaserJock> and I tried to get into Debian a couple times
[07:45] <LaserJock> but failed miserably 
[07:49] <Burgundavia> debian is a bitch to install
[07:50] <Burgundavia> although d-i makes it a bit better
[07:50] <Burgundavia> mostly I hate any distro that is more than one cd
[07:59] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:36] <RichEd> greetz :)
[08:38] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[08:39] <RichEd> hello LaserJock :)
[08:39] <highvoltage> hi RichEd 
[09:19] <TeePOG> good morning
[09:23] <highvoltage> morning TeePOG 
[09:25] <TeePOG> how you doing highvoltage?
[09:28] <highvoltage> good thanks and you TeePOG?
[09:28] <highvoltage> TeePOG: where are you from? your IP address looks familiar.
[09:30] <TeePOG> highvoltage: Pretoria, SA
[09:30] <TeePOG> yo?
[09:30] <TeePOG> you*?
[09:33] <highvoltage> TeePOG: Cape Town
[09:34] <RichEd> TeePOG: I'm also in Cape Town ... what's your Edubuntu interest ?
[09:44] <TeePOG> we've got an internet cafe
[09:44] <TeePOG> and i'm running edubuntu as a terminal server
[09:46] <RichEd> TeePOG: Great ... I'm the Education Manager, and I am currently building a view of our user categories to create community and support areas. Would you be willing to answer a few profile questions via email ?
[09:48] <RichEd> if yes, you can mail me on richard.edubuntu@gmail.com saying this is TeePOG with a 2 line intro.
[09:48] <RichEd> I'd appreciate it : As in "help us to help you better"
[09:49] <TeePOG> RichEd: i would love to, but having 1 or 2 issues with the actual LTSP logins... need to sort out the technical side, then i'd have leisure to help you
[09:50] <highvoltage> TeePOG: you can ask technical questions in this channell too :)
[09:50] <RichEd> no rush TeePOG : It will be an exercise over the next month. Pop me a hi, and you can get the questions and respond any time you are free.
[09:52] <RichEd> An by the way, jump at the offer of help from highvoltage. He's one of the top LTSP hands-on experience resources :)
[09:53] <TeePOG> i will... ironically i have to help a customer sort out why her laptop won't get POP
[09:53] <TeePOG> brb highvoltage ok?
[09:53] <highvoltage> ok
[09:54] <TeePOG> lol RichEd... nice job
[09:59] <RichEd> highvoltage: Can I ask you a quick technical question ?
[10:03] <highvoltage> RichEd: I prefer quick technical questions to questions about asking questions
[10:03] <highvoltage> RichEd: of course :
[10:03] <highvoltage> )
[10:05] <jono> heh
[10:06] <RichEd> will speak to you now jono ... give me 5
[10:06] <jono> sure
[10:36] <TeePOG> sooo, highvoltage: still available?
[10:36] <pygi> hey ho ogra 
[10:36] <ogra> hey
[10:37] <highvoltage> :(
[10:37] <highvoltage> there goes the only thing I had to look forward to this week
[10:38] <ogra> well, i guess its the fact that we still use all the sysvinit scripts ..
[10:39] <ogra> if things actually use the new system it will get faster
[10:50] <pygi> right
[10:52] <pips1> arg, I was hoping for a speedup too ;-)
[10:53] <pips1> RichEd ping
[10:53] <RichEd> pong pips1 : on my way to get a coffee ... open a window and go for it ... back in 5
[10:54] <pips1> RichEd send me those profile questions too, I'm happy to participate :-)
[10:55] <pips1> ... and rather curious about your profile questions ;-)
[11:03] <RichEd> Sure pygi ... it is very high-level bare bones, but we'll refine. Main criteria right now is to identify our Categories of Users / Stakeholders.
[11:04] <pygi> ahm? :)
[11:05] <RichEd> We'll then drill down into profiling each category ... from hands-on user values to softer issues ... e.g. education department officials are not users, but stakeholders, and what are their buttons that we need to press
[11:06] <juliux> morning
[11:07] <pips1> RichEd: i'm slightly confused who you are currently talking to! :-) is it me? autocompletion gave you 'pygi' instead of 'pips1' ?
[11:08] <RichEd> pips1: Sure .. it is very high-level bare bones, but we'll refine. Main criteria right now is to identify our Categories of Users / Stakeholders.
[11:08] <RichEd> pips1: We'll then drill down into profiling each category ... from hands-on user values to softer issues ... e.g. education department officials are not users, but stakeholders, and what are their buttons that we need to press
[11:08] <RichEd> pygi: hi :)
[11:09] <pygi> RichEd, lol,hi :)
[11:09] <RichEd> (comes from eating peanut butter toast and typing at the same time)
[11:10] <pips1> RichEd: bare-bones is fine and I'd be more than happy to provide my input to refine the profiling as we go along... 
[11:11] <RichEd> pips1: I'll ping you when sent.
[11:14] <pips1> ok
[11:23] <cbx33> ping pygi ogra 
[11:25] <cbx33> ping Amaranth 
[11:25] <cbx33> :p
[11:27] <ogra> cbx33, SCP uploaded to universe, so you can refer to the package in your MIR
[11:27] <cbx33> ogra: wow cool
[11:27] <cbx33> I need to talk to you a little
[11:27] <ogra> not today please
[11:27] <cbx33> ok
[11:27] <cbx33> thank you
[11:28] <cbx33> I will finish up the includsion
[11:28] <ogra> i have a complete feature to implement and have two meetings today ...
[11:28] <cbx33> and poke you for a universe upload later
[11:28] <cbx33> ogra: that's fine
[11:28] <ogra> its a very very tight day for me
[11:28] <cbx33> there is still a problem with scp-client
[11:28] <ogra> fine, poke me ... (and go for motu asap ;) )
[11:28] <cbx33> but I'm goign to pool all my resources and work till 4:00am to fix if I have to
[11:28] <cbx33> ogra: :D ok
[11:28] <cbx33> thanks !
[11:30] <cbx33> pygi: please do you ahve a second
[11:30] <cbx33> I really need some python assistance
[11:45] <cbx33> who would I bug for an update to a package in main?
[11:45] <cbx33> oh actually nm
[11:47] <pygi> cbx33, lol
[11:49] <ogra> cbx33, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005093.html
[11:49] <ogra> please be a bit more verbose in your next chagelog entries :)
[11:50] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[11:50] <ogra> i dont care, i know what you did ...
[11:51] <ogra> but that one sentence somehow hides the awesome work ... you deserve the credit so take it ;) ... 
[11:53] <cbx33> aww thanks ogra I'll have to repackage...maybe I'll sneak it in :D
[12:06] <RichEd> ping cbx33 
[12:09] <TeePOG> can anyone tell me the following: is "kaffe" an adequate substitute for the JRE?
[12:12] <TeePOG> RichEd: do you know?
[12:13] <RichEd> hi TeePOG : i'm still getting up to speed with the apps ... I'd suggest wait for a wider audience response.
[12:13] <TeePOG> thanks RichEd
[12:14] <cbx33> pong RichEd 
[12:14] <TeePOG> it seems Automatix can find no installation candidate for the Sun JRE
[12:15] <RichEd> TeePOG: I'll make you a deal ... send me an email for later chat and I'll do a quick hunt for you ... and also send you some useful resources by email response
[12:15] <TeePOG> OK RichEd, sending mail now
[12:16] <RichEd> shot. will do a quick search for you on kaffe ... explain the issues in more detail in 2/3 lins and i'll go hunt for you
[12:17] <TeePOG> RichEd: what do you want in the intro?
[12:17] <RichEd> hi, it's teepog from the pta icafe
[12:17] <RichEd> that's enuff to get a placemarker
[12:18] <TeePOG> ah ok
[12:18] <TeePOG> thought you wanted a 2-sentence bio
[12:19] <TeePOG> *sent*
[12:19] <cbx33> RichEd: you wanna talk meetings?
[12:19] <RichEd> cbx33: sending an email to charles masters ... please tell me: official position, school name, school location
[12:20] <RichEd> yours ... innawindow
[12:20] <cbx33> ok
[12:20] <RichEd> :) thanks
[12:23] <TeePOG> just out of interest: does anyone else use Internet Solutions as an ISP? they seem to have the whole Ubuntu main / stable / universe / multiverse mirror, but what do I put in my sources.list to make apt use IS as a repo?
[12:37] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:40] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[12:40] <rodarvus> hi cbx33
[12:40] <highvoltage> so, hands up who's doing something on Software Freedom Day this year?
[12:42] <pygi> none here wants to organise it :(
[12:55] <highvoltage> :(
[12:55] <pygi> highvoltage, true :(
[01:01] <RichEd> ping ogra
[01:09] <ogra> RichEd, pong
[01:09] <RichEd> ogra: I know you are very busy - quick comments in pvt window
[01:15] <Zplay> Hi
[01:28] <pygi> ogra, libburn works great on remote burners over iscsi ;)
[01:28] <ogra> cool !
[01:29] <pygi> throught openiscsi
[01:29] <pygi> just blanked cd, and burning data iso
[01:35] <pygi> ogra:
[01:35] <pygi> the clients can hold their own settings in /etc and load kernel modules as they please, dont they? so just connecting to the initiator via TCP should do I suppose?
[01:37] <ogra> yep
[01:38] <ogra> and we have an ssh tunnel to trigger it on the server in the users session
[01:38] <pygi> oki, I thought we are thinking about rocket science, and it's simple really :P
[01:40] <pygi> right, thanks for explanation :)
[01:41] <pygi> there's also an init script coming with openiscsi
[01:41] <pygi> we could add a line or two to login to the target
[01:49] <pygi> ogra: the node name doesn't change as long as the device description/MAC address of the target doesn't change! so it's really easily scriptable to log on, no need to access the initiator over ssh to do it, right?
[01:50] <ogra> well, safety probably
[01:50] <pygi> ahm, I get it, so we want the ssh trigger
[01:50] <ogra> if you trigger the session side at the moment where you detect an empty CD for example
[01:50] <ogra> thast quite safe ...
[01:50] <pygi> right, right
[01:52] <jsgotangco> hello
[01:52] <pygi> hey ho jsgotangco 
[01:53] <TeePOG> i changed the hostname, and now some of my updates don't work... keep asking for "non-local host edubuntu"
[01:53] <TeePOG> how do I fix it??
[01:53] <pygi> ogra, we also have to enable scsi-ide-emulation
[01:54] <ogra> that will get the kernel team in a rage
[01:54] <pygi> ogra, perhaps, but we need it
[01:56] <ogra> it will break cdrecord
[01:58] <pygi> ogra, ehm :-/
[01:59] <pygi> ogra, why exactly would we break cdrecord with that?
[02:00] <ogra> cdrecord has a check for scsi emu
[02:00] <pygi> ogra, and it fails if we have it enabled?
[02:00] <ogra> and its abandoned upstream in the kernel since 2.6.0
[02:00] <RichEd> ----- edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ---- now -----
[02:00] <cbx33> ogra: just replacing your os.popen calls 
[02:00] <ogra> i think it fails, yes
[02:00] <ogra> cbx33, cool
[02:00] <ogra> there are a lot of them i saw :(
[02:01] <cbx33> ogra: if after that the MIR is good....can we submit to main queue?
[02:01] <cbx33> there are 4
[02:01] <cbx33> I have killed off one
[02:01] <cbx33> just working on the other 3
[02:02] <pygi> ogra, so it would mean there is no way we can enable it? :-/
[02:03] <ogra> it will vanish from the kernel at some point
[02:04] <pygi> o joy, oki, so we'll have to find a way :)
[02:04] <pips1> ogra: will you join the meeting at all?
[02:04] <pygi> but without the emulation we only have support for scsi drives :P
[02:10] <pygi> that's why we need userspace lib probably :P
[02:22] <cbx33> anyone know why I can't login to my ltsp
[02:22] <cbx33> i just get booted back to login scree nagain
[02:23] <nahoj> serious question: how difficult is it for a "windows-only"-sys admin to install and administrate ubuntu on a school-network? there is about 16 computers for students and 10 for teachers, on top of that we are going to have a separate network for students rooms, connected to internet only. any thoughts of how hard this would be? is edubuntu the best choice for this task?
[02:23] <ogra> cbx33, run ltsp-update-sshkeys ? 
[02:23] <ogra> is the sshd running ? 
[02:23] <cbx33> ok will check
[02:23] <cbx33> thanks
[02:23] <ogra> look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user if both is true
[02:24] <jsgotangco> nahoj: if you're going to make use of an LTSP Server/client setup, you're just maintaining one machine
[02:26] <cbx33> sorry ogra sshd isnt running
[02:26] <nahoj> jsgotangco, ok, I am not sure what LTSP Server/client setup is, but the "just maintaining on machine" part sounds interesting... =)
[02:26] <cbx33> it isn;'t even installed
[02:26] <cbx33> :S
[02:26] <cbx33> this is from the knot 2 cd
[02:26] <jsgotangco> nahoj: basically you have one server, and all your client computers boot from the network to that LTSP server
[02:27] <jsgotangco> nahoj: your client computers don't even need to have a hard drive, just make sure you take care of your server and have a fast ethernet network
[02:27] <nahoj> jsgotangco, in other words, that requires a pretty strong server?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> yep
[02:27] <ogra> cbx33, as i said, there is a bug with edubuntu-server
[02:27] <cbx33> ah
[02:27] <nahoj> I don't think that's the case in our school, jsgotangco 
[02:27] <ogra> best install it from the net, then you also get some fixes ;)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> well you could always install edubuntu as a standalone machine
[02:28] <cbx33> ok I'll install id
[02:28] <nahoj> jsgotangco, as it is now we have separate windows-installations working on their own, just connected to a file server... (if I have understood the thing correctly)
[02:29] <jsgotangco> yeah thats the usual setup
[02:31] <nahoj> would edubuntu be a good choice to replace this? or does it require a server as in the example above?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> it can run on its own
[02:31] <jsgotangco> the model you mentioned is a basic file server setup
[02:31] <jsgotangco> one server has all the files
[02:31] <jsgotangco> the computers save their files on the server
[02:32] <jsgotangco> what you can do even is have a linux server as your file server and have these windows machines talk to that server they wouldn't even know its a linux server
[02:36] <nahoj> is the documentation written for "linux-admins" only? or could a windows-admin follow it easily?
[02:36] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[02:37] <jsgotangco> while we do have documentation for ubuntu, the other applications have their own and they can be pretty terse
[02:37] <pygi> nahoj, we have the edubuntu cookbook :)
[02:37] <nahoj> pygi, what? =p
[02:37] <ogra> nahoj, try the installatin instructions, would a win admin be able to install with them ? https://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[02:38] <jsgotangco> nahoj: i think any win admin able to install a windows server with its text only installation can easily do a linux installation nowadays
[02:39] <nahoj> ogra, yes ty. I am just reading them, and for me who is somewhat comfortable in linux they seem pretty easy...
[02:39] <jsgotangco> i consider them adept enough to dig between trenches
[02:42] <nahoj> thx for your help, i probably get back... ;-)
[02:50] <pygi> ogra, can this be of any help:
[02:50] <pygi> http://nbd.sourceforge.net/
[02:52] <ogra> pygi, unlikely ... but we already include it in ltsp for network swapping, feel free to play with it ;)
[02:52] <pygi> ogra, oki :)
[02:58] <acesuares> ogra!
[02:58] <acesuares> and all others
[02:58] <acesuares> I am looking for a speaker on the subject op 'education and free software (or open source)'
[02:59] <acesuares> THis is 4 or 5 oktober in Curacao (www.curacao.com)
[02:59] <acesuares> how do I find such speaker ? Is there officeal PR buro or something for edubuntu ?
[02:59] <acesuares> Can we ask Mark himself? 
[02:59] <pygi> acesuares, you just ask someone :P
[02:59] <acesuares> pygi: I am asking
[03:00] <acesuares> However, I wantr to know a little bit what caliber this speaker is as a speaker
[03:00] <acesuares> pygi: we will fly yo though.
[03:00] <pygi> I'm having edubuntu tak in Hungary soon, whee :)
[03:01] <acesuares> pygi: hr ? is not so far from nl and from their to an ;_0
[03:01] <pygi> acesuares, Croatia, yes
[03:01] <acesuares> We ar elooking for some one fluent or native in english or dutch, speakgin spanish on the side is not bad either.
[03:01] <acesuares> Pula ?
[03:01] <pygi> Osijek :)
[03:01] <pygi> I neither know spanish or dutch :P
[03:02] <acesuares> nah, never heard of... or it might be in the paper some 10 years ago..
[03:02] <pygi> ahm? never heard of what? :)
[03:02] <ogra> acesuares, i'd love to, but as usual you have unfortunate timing ...
[03:02] <acesuares> We need someone with the broader picture, what is the status not only of edubuntu but the  whole filed...
[03:02] <ogra> we reelase mid/end of oct ...
[03:03] <acesuares> filed =field
[03:03] <ogra> so there is no free dates in the two/three weeks before
[03:04] <acesuares> ogra: the dates are fixed on 4 and 5, and I probably can fill the 5th witrh open source and education.
[03:04] <acesuares> I am looking at LTSP and Linux on the Desktop, but much more 
[03:04] <acesuares> like moodle  and all the educational efforts like edubuntu and gcompris etc.
[03:05] <acesuares> release dates... yeah. I can understand.
[03:05] <acesuares> But altoough I would like to meet you very much :-) Is there no kind of PR man/woman that does these things?
[03:06] <acesuares> A visionaire who not codes ?
[03:06] <acesuares> You can partcipate in #ubuntu-meeting from here too... we have some form of internet :-)
[03:06] <acesuares> Maybe not even from the edubuntu stables ?
[03:07] <acesuares> Theres must be someone who is *the* expert on edusoftware...
[03:07] <pygi> acesuares, lol :)
[03:07] <pygi> brb soon, lunch
[03:07] <acesuares> bye pygi, have fun in Hungary !!!!!
[03:08] <ogra> acesuares, thats RichEd 
[03:09] <ogra> he's our educational manager 
[03:09] <RichEd> acesuares: I'm the first line contact for Education ... richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[03:09] <acesuares> aha... 
[03:09] <acesuares> hi RIchEd, nice to mee you, shall we continue by mail ?
[03:10] <acesuares> You have a webpage about you/edubuntu ?
[03:10] <RichEd> I might not be able to answer all of your issues, but I can get answers for you :) 
[03:10] <RichEd> yes, email is best.
[03:10] <acesuares> ahh... riched, the google in person! That would be really good.
[03:10] <RichEd> acesuares: web page is coming in a day or two ... a new structure is now emerging for Education Programme.
[03:10] <ogra> RichEd, no need to anwer, just fly to curacao and hold a talk P
[03:10] <ogra> :P
[03:11] <acesuares> ogra, i like your practical approach :-)
[03:11] <ogra> *g*
[03:11] <RichEd> acesuares: curaco ... south america ?
[03:12] <ogra> netherlands ....
[03:12] <ogra> the far south of netherlands ... 
[03:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:12] <ogra> ;)
[03:12] <acesuares> well technically it is part off the Kingdom of the Netherlands, but The Netherlands is a seprate country
[03:13] <acesuares> We are 1 islad of 5 in the 'Netherlands Antilles' and just put your finger on Dakar (in Africa) and go west for couple of 1000 miles
[03:13] <acesuares> average tempaatue 31 degfrees C...
[03:13] <pygi> acesuares, I'm back, and thanks :P
[03:13] <acesuares> quick lunch !
[03:14] <acesuares> where you from Richard ?
[03:14] <TeePOG> anyone here [besides highvoltage]  who knows the ltsp side of edubuntu?
[03:17] <ogra> TeePOG, that'd be me but i'm very busy working towards a deadline (tomorrow) with the ltsp features for edgy
[03:17] <acesuares> ogra: local devs ??
[03:17] <ogra> done
[03:17] <acesuares> you rock !!!!!!!!!!!
[03:18] <ogra> since a week :)
[03:18] <TeePOG> ah ok ogra, shout if you have a moment... i just need to know one thing
[03:18] <acesuares> you rock longer then that !
[03:18] <ogra> language and session selection wnet in yesterday
[03:18] <acesuares> cool! session selection.... hmmm... might look at that for the win4lin sessions
[03:18] <ogra> dhcpd.conf autogeneration from the installe is supposed to be done today
[03:18] <acesuares> later of course. I am not top notch with the development :-(
[03:19] <ogra> TeePOG, shoot, i'll see if i can answer quickly ...
[03:19] <TeePOG> ok ogra... the terminal login works fine... but only for my username. all others, it accepts the login, goes black, and returns to the ltsp login screen
[03:20] <TeePOG> how do i make other usernames work over ltsp?
[03:20] <acesuares> no shell ?
[03:20] <ogra> did you install sabayon ? 
[03:20] <ogra> it requires a profile for every user, else it wont allow ltsp logins
[03:20] <TeePOG> sabayon? nope...
[03:20] <TeePOG> is that a manager for ltsp?
[03:21] <ogra> a profile manager for gnome
[03:21] <ogra> can the users log in locally on the server ? 
[03:21] <TeePOG> well, we use kde... it's been requested
[03:22] <acesuares> I made the mistake to make all users have shell /bin/false, for safety... that didn't work :_)
[03:22] <TeePOG> will it not work if i have gtk and libgnome installed?
[03:22] <acesuares> TeePOG: can the users log in locally on the server ?? I use kde too.
[03:22] <ogra> right, /bin/false wouldnt work
[03:23] <ogra> TeePOG, test if the users can log in on the server directly
[03:23] <acesuares> ogra: but now they can ssh into the server... bad.... need to find something for that !?
[03:23] <ogra> i suspect there is rather somethig wrong with te accounts not with ltsp
[03:23] <acesuares> esepcially if teepog made the accounts with kuser
[03:23] <acesuares> they won't get a lot of proper groups
[03:24] <ogra> as long as they get a homedir it should be fine ...
[03:24] <acesuares> like hey don't get any groups execpet themselves (no 'video', 'dip' etc etc
[03:24] <ogra> i have no clue about KDE tools
[03:24] <acesuares> good for you :-)
[03:24] <TeePOG> damn, it's not a happy username... the session died... so it's the way the user was created?
[03:25] <acesuares> do 'id username' and see what groups it is in
[03:25] <acesuares> in a terminal of course.
[03:25] <ogra> and check that a dir for hi in /home exists
[03:25] <ogra> *him
[03:25] <acesuares> or her
[03:25] <TeePOG> uid=1001(cellshop) gid=500(cellshop) groups=500(cellshop),4(adm),24(cdrom),30(dip),60(games)
[03:26] <TeePOG> yes, there is a dir in /home
[03:26] <acesuares> looks reasonable
[03:26] <ogra> 500 doesnt ? 
[03:26] <ogra> ubuntu user groups usually start at 1000
[03:26] <acesuares> in a terminal, try 'login' and user the username and password see if you can get a prompt.
[03:26] <ogra> dunno if kubuntu handles that differently
[03:27] <ogra> also look in the users .xsession-errors file in his homedir
[03:27] <ogra> it should sho session errors
[03:27] <TeePOG> for 'login', i get: No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
[03:27] <ogra> *show
[03:28] <acesuares> second user gets 1001, groups should in kde alos start with 1000 or so
[03:28] <ogra> yep
[03:28] <ogra> 1000 is the admin user ... 
[03:28] <ogra> new users should get higher ids
[03:28] <ogra> but it wont break through the 500 i think ...
[03:28] <acesuares> you can't login with that user
[03:28] <ogra> its just a bit strange
[03:29] <acesuares> yeah the 500 is strange but shouldn't break.
[03:29] <acesuares> Did you try 'adduser' to create a user from a terminal ?
[03:29] <acesuares> or kuser from the graphical interface ?
[03:29] <TeePOG> i used kuser... let me try the console way and get back
[03:29] <acesuares> okay.
[03:30] <TeePOG> i see this is not a happy login
[03:30] <acesuares> unhappy logins tend to fail in ubuntu :-)
[03:33] <TeePOG> ok, now 'id cellshop' gives me: uid=1001(cellshop) gid=1001(cellshop) groups=1001(cellshop)
[03:33] <ogra> can you log in ? 
[03:33] <acesuares> that's better but the many other groups are missing, like audio etc etc
[03:33] <TeePOG> on the way to try that
[03:33] <acesuares> but try to login through the terminal first, then X, then LTSP
[03:34] <TeePOG> doesn't work on the terminal... the login command sends an error: No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
[03:35] <TeePOG> in X, does the same
[03:35] <TeePOG> in LTSP, the same
[03:35] <acesuares> I am baffled.
[03:35] <TeePOG> is there a specific usergroup the user needs to belong to?
[03:35] <ogra> nope
[03:35] <ogra> the above is fine
[03:35] <TeePOG> sheesh
[03:36] <TeePOG> this needs to work by tomorrow morning
[03:36] <astecp> by "can you log in" you're not referring to running /bin/login from a terminal, right?
[03:37] <TeePOG> i am, why?
[03:38] <acesuares> astecp: right, you are right. my bad.
[03:38] <astecp> TeePOG: I'm not sure that's what ogra is referring to. Ogra's the expert though
[03:38] <astecp> more "can you log in to {a tty/xdm-whatever/ltsp}
[03:38] <acesuares> I assumed he was running as root (with sudo -s)
[03:39] <acesuares> the login command works.
[03:39] <acesuares> However, TeePog also syas he can't log in locally in the server with the graphical user interface
[03:39] <acesuares> true, TeePOG ?
[03:39] <ogra> just log in on the server either at (K)GDM or that the console ...
[03:39] <acesuares> TeePOG is gone... :-(
[03:40] <acesuares> I am off before I make things worse...
[03:40] <acesuares> thx ogra for the links with RichEd
[03:40] <acesuares> bye
[03:40] <RichEd> acesuares: got the mail ... will respond
[03:41] <RichEd> bye ... from Cape Town
[03:41] <acesuares> Cape Town is good... you will probably understand some of the issues here...
[03:42] <RichEd> scanned your email briefly ... sounds familiar :)
[03:42] <sbalneav> Morning edubuntuites
[03:43] <astecp> hmm. Any particular arguments nfs vs smb for a file server?
[03:43] <sbalneav> Depends.  Are you serving windows boxes or Unix/Linux boxes?
[03:43] <astecp> linux only
[03:43] <astecp> for now, at least
[03:44] <astecp> otherwise there wouldn't be a question :)
[03:44] <sbalneav> Then NFS
[03:44] <TeePOG> ok, that's just weird
[03:44] <astecp> sbalneav: particular reasons? Performance/reliability?
[03:45] <sbalneav> Simplicity.
[03:45] <astecp> that's a very good point :)
[03:45] <TeePOG> i logged in with the new username using ctrl-alt-f2... it worked... then I went back to ctrl-alt-f1, and realised i had no idea how to get back into X
[03:45] <astecp> ctrl-alt-f<your last console + 1>
[03:46] <sbalneav> TeePOG: Usually, it's F7
[03:46] <TeePOG> rebooted from command line, and when i got the the login screen, my username now did the same as the new one: just goes back to login screen
[03:47] <TeePOG> it's weird
[03:48] <astecp> check syslogs
[03:49] <TeePOG> hmmmm
[03:49] <TeePOG> arno@smith:~$ cat .xsession-errors
[03:49] <TeePOG> Xsession: X session started for arno at Wed Sep  6 15:40:34 SAST 2006
[03:49] <ogra> check the users .xsession-errors from the console
[03:49] <astecp> or the user's .xsession-errors as I think was mentioned before
[03:49] <TeePOG> did, see?
[03:49] <ogra> thats all ? 
[03:49] <TeePOG> yup
[03:49] <TeePOG> that's the whole file
[03:49] <ogra> looks like its not starting the session 
[03:49] <astecp> can any users log in to X?
[03:50] <TeePOG> not afaik, i tried all of the usernames, same error in .xsession-errors
[03:50] <ogra> there should be at least some info about the starting apps of the session manager (startkde or whatever that is in KDE)
[03:50] <TeePOG> well, this all worked [at least for my own username]  until i just rebooted
[03:50] <TeePOG> now even mine is b0rked
[03:51] <sbalneav> Morning ogra
[03:51] <ogra> TeePOG, even from console ?
[03:51] <ogra> hey sbalneav 
[03:52] <TeePOG> ogra: i can login to console, nothing else
[03:52] <ogra> ok
[03:52] <ogra> try: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:53] <TeePOG> ok...
[03:53] <ogra> then run startx and check what happens
[03:54] <TeePOG> it craps itself and exits
[03:54] <TeePOG> erm, sorry, language
[03:57] <ogra> no error messages ? 
[03:57] <TeePOG> many... how do i copy & paste from that machine to here? i hijacked a Doze machine to get here
[03:59] <TeePOG> is there an error file for X that I can SCP to this PC?
[03:59] <ogra> well, .xsession-errors and the Xorg.*.log from /var/log
[03:59] <TeePOG> ok
[04:00] <ogra> but the latter wont have anything useful if Xsession already writes to .xsession-errors
[04:00] <ogra> how did you install KDE ?
[04:00] <ogra> using the kubuntu-desktop package ? 
[04:01] <TeePOG> yes ogra, that package
[04:01] <TeePOG> will give pastebin link just now
[04:01] <ogra> hm, then it should work ...
[04:02] <ogra> what does: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
[04:02] <ogra> return ?
[04:02] <TeePOG> brb, checking
[04:03] <TeePOG> ./usr/bin/gnome-session
[04:03] <TeePOG> and
[04:03] <TeePOG> ./usr/bin/startkde
[04:04] <TeePOG> http://pastebin.ca/162384
[04:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: my phone stopped ringing just as i got to it
[04:05] <TeePOG> the salient points are at the end
[04:05] <highvoltage> RichEd-1: my phone stopped ringing just as i got to it
[04:05] <RichEd-1> lost my adsl ... just back now ...
[04:06] <pips1> cu
[04:07] <hald> How do I get synaptic to install the source code .deb's?
[04:08] <ogra> wow, that pastebin is evil ... 
[04:08] <ogra> crashes firefox
[04:08] <highvoltage> i don't think that's something that hald is supposed to do
[04:08] <highvoltage> ogra: firefox beta?
[04:08] <ogra> highvoltage, ?
[04:08] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[04:08] <cbx33> heheh
[04:08] <hald> highvoltage: Eh?
[04:08] <cbx33> I had a site do that earlier
[04:08] <highvoltage> sorry, it was a joke :)
[04:08] <ogra> :)
[04:08] <astecp> | error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[04:08] <astecp> ^^ looks relevant
[04:08] <hald> Ah.
[04:09] <highvoltage> hal as in hardware abstraction layer isn't supposed to install source debs :)
[04:09] <TeePOG> i have no clue; older and wiser minds than I will need to help
[04:09] <hald> I've checked the "Source Code" checkbox in the dialog box.
[04:09] <hald> But I don't see what the next step is.
[04:09] <ogra> hmm, seems i cant opne that pastebin page
[04:10] <RichEd> have to go out  ... back in 30 ... was there a EC decision ? someone msg me please
[04:10] <TeePOG> what is the ubuntu pastebin? there is a .nl one iirc
[04:10] <RichEd> thanks ... lost my adsl at the end of the meeting
[04:11] <ogra> RichEd, no EC decision 
[04:11] <ogra> (there was nothing to decide)
[04:11] <ogra> TeePOG, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:12] <cbx33> RichEd: 
[04:12] <cbx33> you still here
[04:12] <cbx33> we'll have to postpone meeting
[04:12] <TeePOG> thanks ogra, found it already
[04:14] <TeePOG> what? that pastebin says "No text given and no image uploaded" three times now
[04:15] <ogra> i got it open now
[04:16] <ogra> but as i said the Xorg log isnt really relevant 
[04:17] <cbx33> ogra: blog prepared, and primed
[04:17] <ogra> yay
[04:18] <ogra> TeePOG, you can try if its a KDE prob with setting the default: 
[04:18] <ogra> sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[04:18] <TeePOG> yes?
[04:18] <ogra> then select gnome ( you can revert it later)
[04:18] <ogra> and try again ...
[04:18] <TeePOG> yes, will do
[04:18] <TeePOG> brb
[04:19] <ogra> there is an Xsession etry in your .xsession-errors, so i doubt its X itself that has probs
[04:19] <ogra> sbalneav, how good is your awk-fu ? 
[04:20] <ogra> or better do you know about awk replacements ? 
[04:20] <sbalneav> My awk-fu is primo
[04:20] <ogra> the installer doesnt have awk :(
[04:21] <sbalneav> What do you want it replaced with?
[04:21] <sbalneav> Sed?
[04:21] <ogra> something the installer has :P
[04:21] <ogra> sed should be there
[04:21] <astecp> I'm good at eliminating awk from scripts, lemme have a look :)
[04:21] <sbalneav> Ummm... And what does the installed have? :):):)
[04:21] <astecp> textutils
[04:21] <sbalneav> Is it dash, or bash?
[04:21] <ogra> sbalneav, if i only knew :)
[04:21] <ogra> dash
[04:21] <ogra> or even ash
[04:22] <ogra> its the tiniest shell we have ...
[04:23] <TeePOG> it still does the same, the login screen goes black, then returns to login screen
[04:23] <ogra> hmm. weird
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, sed is there
[04:23] <TeePOG> i think i should just reinstall and try again
[04:23] <astecp> DEFAULT_IFACE=$(route -n|grep ^0|sed -e 's/.* //')
[04:23] <astecp> ^ nice 'n' easy for the first one
[04:24] <TeePOG> no sleep for the weakened ^.^
[04:24] <ogra> astecp, looks fine :)
[04:24] <ogra> thanks !
[04:26] <ogra> TeePOG, well, a reinstall shuld take you less than 2h even with installing KDE afterwards 
[04:26] <astecp> IFACE_LIST=$(cat /proc/net/dev|sed -e 's/^ *//' -e 's/:.*//'|grep -Ev '(\||lo|sit)')
[04:26] <ogra> depends how much you want to tweak 
[04:26] <ogra> astecp, sexy !
[04:26] <ogra> tanks a lot !
[04:26] <TeePOG> yes ogra, i think that's the path of least resistance
[04:27] <astecp> ogra: awk is one of my pet hates. There's almost *always* a neater way :-)
[04:27] <ogra> right ...
[04:27] <ogra> awk is what i know without reading much docs :)
[04:27] <cbx33> ogra: heheh
[04:27] <ogra> so i'm quicker with it than trying out sed strings :)
[04:28] <astecp> ogra: not a vim user then? ;-)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:33] <ogra> astecp, vim only user :)
[04:36] <astecp> ogra: I guess you learned the cleverer tricks that don't require regex quicker than I did then :)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> hmm is ff in edgy using cairo?
[04:42] <lucasvo> !seen p1ps
[04:42] <ubotu> I haven't seen p1ps recently
[04:42] <jsgotangco> it looks like even gnome terminal does
[04:49] <ogra> lucasvo, itym pips1
[04:49] <ogra> ;)
[04:49] <ogra> !seen pips1
[04:49] <ubotu> I last saw pips1 (n=philipp@195.216.81.229) 43m 25s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[04:50] <lucasvo> oh
[04:50] <lucasvo> crap
[05:07] <cbx33> ogra: did you say I should apply for MOTU?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> you should
[05:16] <cbx33> Good afternoon LaserJock 
[05:16] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i will need your help soon
[05:17] <LaserJock> I see
[05:19] <cbx33> right guys I'm off
[05:19] <cbx33> have a good one I'll be back later
[05:20] <jsgotangco> later
[05:20] <jsgotangco> i got to split too
[05:27] <jsgotangco> gotta sleep ciao
[05:29] <LaserJock> when is feature freeze?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I guess 23:00 tommorow
[05:34] <gnomefreak> today i thought
[05:35] <RichEd> LaserJock: did you check your email ?
[05:35] <LaserJock> yep
[05:35] <LaserJock> thanks RichEd
[05:36] <RichEd> schweet ... 
[05:39] <LaserJock> ogra: ping?
[05:39] <ogra> LaserJock, half pong
[05:40] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, so I'm working on my postinst script to create the menu groups
[05:40] <LaserJock> ogra: should they be system groups or user groups?
[06:21] <cbx33> boo
[06:23] <LaserJock> argg
[06:23] <LaserJock> you scared me
[06:24] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[07:10] <pygi> jono, :)
[07:12] <jono> :)
[07:15] <pygi> ok, second :P
[07:20] <ogra> wow, thats fast ... when do we get the third ? at :30 ?
[07:21] <pygi> ogra, lol :)
[07:21] <pygi> I forgot to count cdrskin as app
[08:33] <Yagisan> G'day Solaris444 
[08:33] <Solaris444> hello again!
[08:34] <Solaris444> Hi all, is anyone here interested in a lab/workshop ticketing system for universities/technical colleges/high schools?
[08:34] <Yagisan> Solaris444, you might want to chat to someone like highvoltage or ogra about your project
[08:34] <Yagisan> bye for now
[08:34] <Solaris444> alright I shall do that and see what they have to say.
[08:34] <Solaris444> thanks for the bump
[08:34] <Solaris444> yep cya
[08:36] <Solaris444> sourceforge.net/projects/equil
[08:38] <Burgwork> Solaris444, gtk or qt?
[08:38] <Solaris444> java actually.
[08:39] <Burgwork> hmm, icky
[08:39] <Burgwork> run on gcj?
[08:39] <Solaris444> nono not at all
[08:39] <Solaris444> requires sun 1.5.0+
[08:39] <Solaris444> uses some of the features only found in that.
[08:39] <Solaris444> relies on RMI
[08:40] <Solaris444> It was required to be multiplatform so we went for a widget approach using java.
[08:51] <pygi> sbalneav, I used libburn over iscsi today :)
[09:30] <pygi> mhz, hey ho
[09:32] <mhz> pygi: hi there
[09:32] <mhz> just sent a reply to Susan's
[09:32] <pygi> saw it
[09:33] <mhz> read it?
[09:33] <pygi> yes
[09:37] <mhz> so, I got my laptop HD back and running BUT...now the 'desktop HD' is failing :(
[09:37] <mhz> crapy days so far
[09:37] <mhz> ohhh, BTW...
[09:38] <mhz> I could only rescue my HD by using it as a USB HD plugged to the desktop
[09:38] <pygi> ?
[09:39] <mhz> so, when I re-installed Edubuntu server, the system considers the NICs from desktop, and when I use the HD in the laptop, it then uses eth2 and ath1, instead of real eth0 and ath0. Any ideas how I can fix that?
[09:55] <LaserJock> has anybody installed edgy Edubuntu from a Knot or daily .iso?
[09:58] <Amaranth> LaserJock: robert day sent me new patches
[09:58] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yeah, he told me he was going to. Do they look ok?
[09:59] <Amaranth> i'm probably going to ditch the generated code and use the .ui files just like i do with glade
[09:59] <Amaranth> otherwise it looks alright, yeah
[10:00] <LaserJock> ok
[10:47] <swhalen> Hello, I'm new here and I have ssome questions. Any help?
[10:48] <Burgwork> swhalen, what do you need?
[10:50] <swhalen> well id like to use Diskless Thin Client Booting but I dont have a powerful enough computer to use as a server
[10:51] <swhalen> is there any other way to distribute packages/updates
[10:51] <ogra_> you dont need a powerful computer for booting ... the amount of power the server needs depends completely on the desktop environment you use
[10:52] <LaserJock> ogra_: did you see my question hrs ago about wether to create system or user groups for the menus?
[10:53] <ogra_> what do we gain by having them as system groups ?
[10:54] <swhalen> "Install to hard disk", will install a terminal server. Use this option if you'd like to boot from diskless thin clients into this machine. Note that a terminal server requires at least 150MB RAM per client that will be logging into this server. The server will also need a powerful CPU, such as an Intel Xeon processor. To install a terminal server, simply press ENTER here.
[10:54] <swhalen> its in the geting started docs
[10:55] <ogra_> yes
[10:55] <ogra_> and its true for a default edubuntu
[10:55] <ogra_> but you can tweak it ... i.e. use xfce instead of gnome
[10:56] <ogra_> xfce as desktop will be fine with < 100MB
[10:57] <LaserJock> ogra_: well, I didn't know if there was a policy that packages needed to do system groups
[10:57] <LaserJock> ogra_: so that the user groups are just created by the user/admin
[10:57] <ogra_> how would you create usergroups without users ` 
[10:57] <ogra_> ?
[10:58] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:58] <ogra_> just make them system groups 
[10:59] <LaserJock> the only reason I thought about not doing system groups is I think they aren't viewable by default in the GUI user interface
[10:59] <ogra_> right
[10:59] <ogra_> there is an xml config but i have no idea how to add stuff dynamically
[10:59] <swhalen> how much space does a workspace install use?
[10:59] <LaserJock> ogra_: I'll just go for system for now
[11:00] <ogra_> (i patched gnome-system-tools for the ltsp localdev group)
[11:00] <ogra_> right
[11:00] <ogra_> swhalen, ~2.5Gb iirc
[11:01] <swhalen> and where are sudo attempts logged?
[11:03] <ogra> in auth.log
[11:03] <swhalen> thats all i needed. thank you
[11:03] <ogra> :)
[11:04] <swhalen> you guys have the the most helpful *ubuntu channel
[11:04] <ogra> heh, thanks :)
[11:09] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, another odd question, I'm really not sure what to do for debian/copyright
[11:09] <ogra> your package, your copyright i'd say
[11:10] <ogra> i mean yu created all the content
[11:10] <ogra> *you
[11:10] <ogra> so why shouldnt you hole the copyright
[11:10] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:10] <ogra> *hold
[11:10] <LaserJock> well, it seems kinda silly to license it, but I suppose I could just GPL it
[11:11] <ogra> right
[11:11] <ogra> it needs a license to pass NEW
[11:11] <LaserJock> right, that's why I asked
[11:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't seem to change permissions in debian/rules
[11:14] <LaserJock> do you have to do that postinst?
[11:16] <ogra> eh ? 
[11:16] <ogra> oh
[11:16] <ogra> right
[11:16] <ogra> yes
[11:16] <ogra> i first read : I can't seem to change permissions of debian/rules
[11:16] <LaserJock> heh
[11:16] <LaserJock> for this to work we need 640 I think
[11:18] <cbx33> hey peeps
[11:18] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[11:18] <cbx33> I saw the upload
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:18] <pygi> cbx33, ;)
[11:18] <cbx33> will send out my blog post
[11:18] <cbx33> in a little hile
[11:19] <cbx33> when is the official FF time
[11:19] <cbx33> 12 midnight tomorrow?
[11:19] <ogra> 23:00 UTC
[11:19] <cbx33> ogra, so we're all done?
[11:19] <pygi> nice ogra :)
[11:19] <LaserJock> :(
[11:19] <cbx33> ogra, congrats man
[11:19] <cbx33> I know you had a lot to do
[11:19] <ogra> i need to merge the code into the ltsp package
[11:19] <pygi> we could discuss iscsi userspace lib then :)
[11:19] <cbx33> and I kept taking tonnes of your tim
[11:19] <ogra> but then we're all done ...
[11:19] <cbx33> hehe
[11:19] <cbx33> LaserJock, what#s up?
[11:19] <ogra> there are still a ton of patches from debian i'll review and merge tomorrow
[11:20] <LaserJock> my spec isn't done :/
[11:20] <LaserJock> stupid real  life
[11:20] <LaserJock> I spent the morning at the dentist
[11:20] <LaserJock> and my Edubuntu machine has been down for almost 3 days
[11:20] <ogra> you have still 25h
[11:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, that sux
[11:21] <LaserJock> well, I had most of it done a while ago
[11:21] <LaserJock> and then everything got in the way
[11:21] <LaserJock> grrr
[11:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I need to remove the groups in prerm not postrm
[11:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not entirely sure what to make this thing dep on
[11:55] <LaserJock> I would assume menu-xdg
[11:56] <ogra> no
[11:56] <ogra> menu-xdg breaks the gnome menu
[11:56] <LaserJock> oh
[11:56] <ogra> dont depend on that package
[11:57] <LaserJock> so would gnome-menus work?
[11:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:58] <ogra> i think so
[12:01] <LaserJock> Description: group-driven menus for Edubuntu
[12:01] <LaserJock>  This package installs various menus that are mapped to user groups so that
[12:01] <LaserJock>  when a user is added to one of these groups their menu correspondingly changes.
[12:01] <LaserJock> yuck, that sounds terrible :(
[12:10] <Burgwork> installs different menus for different use cases. These menus are mapped to specific user gruops
[12:13] <ogra> LaserJock, Kamion speaks very good english, he's always my first choice for formulations :)