[12:11] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/edgyWallpaper.tar.gz
[12:12] <kwwii> 5a in that
[12:12] <kwwii> nothing that dark
[12:12] <kwwii> Hobbsee: which ones?
[12:12] <kwwii> I think so
[12:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: the ones at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[12:12] <Hobbsee> seems that people either love it or hate it
[12:12] <Hobbsee> guess that's the curse of doing artwork
[12:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping , it rejected amarok
[12:13] <imbrandon> Rejected:
[12:13] <imbrandon> Unable to find amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz in the distribution.
[12:13] <imbrandon> no orig.tar.gz upload
[12:14] <kwwii> I think that the blue-purple version can make everyone happy
[12:14] <kwwii> and yeah, sometimes it is hard
[12:14] <kwwii> there is always someone who hates what you did, no matter what
[12:14] <Hobbsee> true
[12:15] <imbrandon> yea a blue purple version and revert the konqui purple
[12:15] <imbrandon> back to blue
[12:15] <imbrandon> i would say imho
[12:15] <imbrandon> even though i made the change i dont like it seeing it in action
[12:15] <imbrandon> wow the CC is getting of to a SLOW start
[12:17] <kwwii> imbrandon: we still need to work on the about page stuff though...it is way too purple (as is amarok)
[12:17] <imbrandon> yea
[12:17] <imbrandon> we can do that after the meeting if you have time
[12:17] <kwwii> we can change it a bit, I think
[12:17] <kwwii> which meeting?
[12:18] <imbrandon> CC meeting thats supose to be happening now but hasent started yet
[12:18] <kwwii> ach du scheisse
[12:18] <imbrandon> i'm there to cheer on a new member but its starting slow
[12:19] <kwwii> pounk_: which icons are used in your screenshot?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: cursing in german, now?  :P
[12:20] <kwwii> me hate meeting...meeting bad
[12:20] <Hobbsee> you didnt have to be there
[12:20] <kwwii> hehe, good point
[12:21] <kwwii> whew...I jump when someone says meeting
[12:21] <kwwii> funny shit
[12:22] <Riddell> kwwii: don't worry, there's two on Thursday if you want them :)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:22] <Hobbsee> point
[12:24] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I just noticed that..I can meet to my hearts content
[12:24] <kwwii> working from home + meeting = beer
[12:24] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh.
[12:25] <imbrandon> [17:24]  <kwwii> +working from home + meeting = beer  << bash.org worthy ;)
[12:25] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:26] <kwwii> I really wish things would be more certain with the usplas
[12:27] <kwwii> usplash
[12:27] <kwwii> we are really close on everything else, except that
[12:36] <kwwii> Riddell: we need to talk about changing the coordinates of the last icon in the ksplash...I am going to move the logo out of the kdm and ksplash "windows" so we can make them a bit wider
[12:36] <Riddell> kwwii: so no kubuntu logo at all?
[12:38] <kwwii> Riddell: the same logo as now, only outside the box (I'll reduce the height of the box)
[12:38] <kwwii> that was another thing that mark said
[12:39] <kwwii> and after I made the first changes he asked me "where did you get this idea from?" (I did not tell him it was his idea)
[12:39] <Riddell> kwwii: as far as I remember that last icon is done as half way across the screen then a fixed number of pixels down from the centre, so it won't be hard to change that number
[12:39] <kwwii> so now, we will move on in that direction and he will think I am a genius!!!! :-)
[12:40] <Riddell> kwwii: you're an artist, people will only realise you're a genius once you're dead
[12:40] <kwwii> damn the pain of ingorance
[12:41] <kwwii> in a hundred (or two) years they will write about me!
[12:42] <Riddell> your great grandchildren will make a fortune from trademarking your (GPG) signature and selling the rights 
[12:42] <kwwii> anyway...I think mark is right, but I was waiting for a general response to things (which seems good) to move forward
[12:43] <kwwii> they will inherit my nick
[12:43] <kwwii> kwwii_iii
[12:43] <imbrandon> hahahaa
[12:43] <kwwii> etc.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: poke @ the latest amarok bug report
[12:44] <Riddell> testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143/ dapper main
[12:46] <imbrandon> Riddell, wow you did the ppc ones? you rock
[12:46] <kwwii> hehe, I kinda have to step up, eh?
[12:47] <kwwii>  I can simply update, or?
[12:48] <imbrandon> kwwii, should be able to
[12:48] <kwwii> rebooting that machine, once second
[12:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, you dident add any of the needed libs to the pool ?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seen https://launchpad.net/bugs/59007 ?
[12:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59007 in amarok "Install MP3 support not working in Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[12:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea
[12:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, I'll tell people to use dapper-backports
[12:49] <kwwii> yeah, I noticed that one too
[12:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[12:49] <imbrandon> Riddell, ahh ok , well backports is still broke atm
[12:49] <kwwii> but sound did not work anyway
[12:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: figured you might like to fix that one
[12:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: broken in which way?
[12:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, e.g no new backports can be put in past 1.4.2-0ubuntu2 untill souyz suppoorts it 
[12:50] <imbrandon> should be fixed soon
[12:50] <imbrandon> hold on lemme find rthe bug
[12:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: yeah, that's why we're doing amarok by hand, but -backports is good for libvisual
[12:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/bugs/58144
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58144 in soyuz "Backport is rejected if an older backport is already there" [Critical,In progress]  
[12:50] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[12:51] <imbrandon> so they will need both -backports and that 
[12:51] <Riddell> yes
[12:51] <imbrandon> ok i dident get that at first
[12:51] <imbrandon> libvisual realy needs to depend on libvisual-plugins too , kinda pointless without them
[12:52] <imbrandon> but i'll tackle that later
[12:56] <Hobbsee> oh bleh.  kopete seems to not be shipping with translations.  i thought someone fixed that.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> perhaps it's not in 
[12:58] <Hobbsee>   [ Jonathan Riddell ] 
[12:58] <Hobbsee>   * Add kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff to exclude unnecessary strings in .po file
[12:58] <Riddell> that should be .pot file
[12:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the problem?  that the .debs don't have .mo files?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/58579
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58579 in kopete "no kopete translations in edgy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[12:59] <Hobbsee> oh.  we're missing all the translation files, or something
[01:01] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure kopete builds a .pot, I think we might need to poke rosetta dudes to start using that and not exprect one from kdenetwork
[01:01] <Hobbsee> right
[01:03] <Hobbsee> can someone remind me to mail my stat dec when i get back please?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> if i forget it, i'll be in great trouble.
[01:03] <Riddell> what's a stat dev?
[01:03] <Riddell> dec
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: statutory declaration
[01:03] <Hobbsee> says i wasnt driving the car when they said i was.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> haha, thanks :D
[01:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the car wasnt drivable.  the automatic transmission failed the day before.  only way it was going anywhere was on a tow truck.  so it certainly wasnt me driving it!
[01:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you see amarok got rejected for no orig.tar.gz
[01:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: bah
[01:06] <imbrandon> heh
[01:13] <Riddell> ok, time to give these buildds a workout
[01:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:14] <imbrandon> all of kde ?
[01:14] <Riddell> yep
[01:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:15] <imbrandon> i think after that hits the archives i'll do a fresh knot install on voyager
[01:15] <imbrandon> ( it will make hobbsee unhappy ) but it will be good for testing )
[01:15] <Riddell> done
[01:15] <Riddell> man I love ADSL2
[01:15] <imbrandon> heh
[01:16] <imbrandon> hopefully that backport bug is fixed soonish, he said it was fixed just not on the production LP yet
[01:16] <Riddell> yeah, all launchpad code needs someone else to review it
[01:16] <imbrandon> i duuno when they publish the lp staging to production
[01:18] <kwwii> it works
[01:18] <Riddell> kwwii: what's that?
[01:18] <kwwii> amarok
[01:18] <kwwii> the update fixed my amarok
[01:20] <Riddell> kwwii: amarok 1.4.3?
[01:20] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp (I even have the funky engage menu)
[01:20] <Riddell> kwwii: excellent news
[01:21] <kwwii> Help--> about amarok says 1.4.3
[01:21] <imbrandon> rockin
[01:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[01:25] <Riddell> hi ryanakca 
[01:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: QComicBook can be uploaded to the repos... "Yes, the splashscreen/about image was created exclusively for QComicBook by a friend of mine (he is a graphican) and it is GPL'ed."    reply to that e-mail I sent
[01:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: excellent news
[01:27] <ryanakca> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004
[01:27] <Riddell> lots of excellent news tonight :)
[01:27] <ryanakca> yes, it is :)
[01:28] <kwwii> time for sleep now
[01:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: it still needs one more person to review and advocate it
[01:28] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[01:28] <Riddell> night kwwii 
[01:28] <kwwii> night Riddell
[01:28] <ryanakca> yes, except... (forget if it was you or someone else), but realistiK CANNOT be uploaded to archives/repos
[01:29] <ryanakca> see yah kwwiii
[01:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: why not?
[01:29] <ryanakca> that sweet icon set...
[01:29] <ryanakca>  because Everaldo has not given the author of the new icon set permission to use them.
[01:30] <ryanakca> and it's on kde-look... I sent the creator an e-mail... I can forward it to you... he says to wait before uploading
[01:30] <ryanakca> forward the reply that is...
[01:31] <imbrandon> does everaldo need to give him permission if they are gpl ?
[01:32] <ryanakca> oooh... good point... if I understand GPL properly... no
[01:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: is realistiK based on crystal?
[01:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: ermm.. not sure
[01:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the issue with everaldo?
[01:33] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/161950 is the reply I received... I'll check on kde-look
[01:34] <imbrandon> did everaldo make realistiK ?
[01:34] <ryanakca> no, but his iconset is in it
[01:36] <imbrandon> his as in which one? forgive me start over here
[01:36] <imbrandon> i must have missed something
[01:36] <imbrandon> how is everaldo playing into this
[01:36] <ryanakca> hmm
[01:36] <ryanakca> I'm confused as well
[01:36] <imbrandon> ok we have realistiK 
[01:36] <imbrandon> an icon set, what does evealdo have to do with it ?
[01:37] <imbrandon> is it based on one of his works? if so what one ? e.g. crystal is gpl
[01:37] <imbrandon> so no "permission" needed
[01:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: well...
[01:38] <Riddell> the crystal icons in KDE are LGPL, the crystal icons from everaldo.com are not licenced at all
[01:38] <ryanakca> realistiK is based on everaldo's work (crystal)... which is LGPL... is realistiK GPL (I think so)
[01:38] <Riddell> so it depends if he got the icons from KDE or from everaldo.com
[01:38] <imbrandon> Riddell,  true
[01:39] <ryanakca> hmm...
[01:39] <ryanakca> this is messed up... I'll send him an e-mail asking that
[01:40] <ryanakca> it also looks like he took the icons off kde-look
[01:40] <Riddell> in which case they're not LGPKL
[01:40] <Riddell> LGPL
[01:40] <ryanakca> which would be copyright infringement?
[01:41] <imbrandon> right, as with alot of things on kde-look , you have to be carefull
[01:41] <imbrandon> unless yo have permission
[01:41] <ryanakca> The guy took his icons off his kde-look
[01:43] <Riddell> bummer
[01:44] <imbrandon> Riddell, can NEW packages get put in after the 7th ?
[01:44] <imbrandon> ( universe )
[01:45] <Riddell> I don't know
[01:45] <imbrandon> and whats up with ipodslave hehe pitti still hasent looked at it
[01:45] <imbrandon> lol
[01:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: pitti's been on holiday
[01:45] <imbrandon> ahhh ok
[01:45] <Riddell> he's still processing his security backlog
[01:45] <imbrandon> ah ok i dident know he was gona for a bit
[01:45] <imbrandon> makes sense
[01:46] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I believe univerversefreeze is on the 28th, but REVU day is the 8th
[01:47] <ryanakca> yes... according to that post on the fride
[01:47] <imbrandon> yea but that might not be before feature freeze ;)
[01:49] <imbrandon> and afaik motu's dont have to put new packages on REVU
[01:49] <imbrandon> but i could be wrong
[01:49] <Riddell> it's good practice
[01:49] <imbrandon> yea
[01:50] <imbrandon> its the a windeco is all, i dont even want it in main, just universe ;)
[01:50] <imbrandon> ( its my royale kwin-deco ) 
[01:50] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:51] <imbrandon> although it woul be cool to have it installed by default as a choice ( not the default theme obviously )
[01:51] <imbrandon> but anyhow /me finds soemthing productive to do ......
[01:52] <imbrandon> ryanakca, whats the link to your comicbook thing, i'll review it, did riddell advocate it too? if so i'll upload if its all good
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'm looking at it now
[01:52] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004
[01:52] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:52] <Riddell> so if you look at it we can get it uploaded
[01:53] <ryanakca> :D
[01:53] <imbrandon> kk
[01:53] <imbrandon> yea a'll dget it now
[01:53] <imbrandon> i'll
[01:54] <Riddell> dget?
[01:55] <imbrandon> you dget the dsc file and it pulls the rest
[01:55] <imbrandon> works with any repo/directory
[01:55] <Riddell> clever
[01:55] <imbrandon> e.g dget http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/qcomicbook-0609011555/qcomicbook_0.3.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:57] <ryanakca> nice
[01:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: failed  install: target `/root/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/applications/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[01:58] <imbrandon> yup i get the same error
[01:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: erm... are you running it as root (like it /root/ or is it a ppackageing error?)
[01:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: I am yes (in a chroot)
[01:59] <ryanakca> hmmm... *kicks his ppbuilder*
[01:59] <imbrandon> install -D --mode=0644 /home/brandon/files/devel/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/fedora/qcomicbook.desktop \
[01:59] <imbrandon>         /home/brandon/files/devel/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/applications/
[01:59] <imbrandon> install: target `/home/brandon/files/devel/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/applications/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[02:00] <ryanakca> I'll look at it... add "/usr/share/applications/" to debian/dirs?
[02:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: yep, or mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/applications/ above the install line
[02:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: you've moved the help directory, can the application still find those files?
[02:02] <ryanakca> ooh... good point
[02:02] <Riddell> mv -fr /root/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/qcomicbook/help/ \
[02:03] <ryanakca> I'll look at that too
[02:03] <Riddell>         /root/qcomicbook/qcomicbook-0.3.2/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/
[02:03] <Riddell> mv: invalid option -- r
[02:03] <Riddell> another fail?
[02:03] <ryanakca> yes... that was because of the -r
[02:03] <ryanakca> I was probably thinking of cp instead of mv
[02:04] <ryanakca> can't mv -fr something
[02:04] <jdong> hehe, recursive move... :)
[02:05] <ryanakca> btw, What would be a "valid reason" for +u ... the ones I had yesterday didn't go threw... I get another try tonight :)
[02:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: who did you ask?
[02:07] <ryanakca> nalioth
[02:08] <ryanakca> hmm... "grep -rin usr/share/qcomicbook/help/ *" didn't find anything in the sources...
[02:08] <Riddell> one reason could be that it's just plain annoying and is the first real reason I've seen to move ubuntu from freenode to oftc
[02:09] <Riddell> void ComicMainWindow::showHelp()
[02:09] <Riddell> {
[02:09] <Riddell>         const QString helpdir = HelpBrowser::getLocaleHelpDir(DATADIR "/help");
[02:10] <Riddell> change DATADIR to /usr/share/qcomicbook/doc
[02:11] <ryanakca> plain annoying?
[02:12] <ryanakca> first real reason to move to oftc? meaning oftc doesn't have a chan limit?
[02:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk... wheres that?
[02:12] <ryanakca> nevermind, I'll grep it :)
[02:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: comicmain.cpp
[02:14] <ryanakca> yep, patching it :)
[02:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i dunno, i just told them i need all my ubuntu chans and upstream chans like amarok / konversation , but let me give you one hint and it dont go past here .......
[02:14] <imbrandon> ( wrt +u )
[02:15] <imbrandon> i got shot down by naloith 2 times before i finaly went to rob , then it was a 5 second deal ;)
[02:15] <ryanakca> ( wrt +u )?
[02:15] <imbrandon> with regards to
[02:15] <Riddell> of course with rob we can just tell him to give us +u or we won't review his packages :)
[02:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:16] <ryanakca> lol
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh
[02:17] <ryanakca> I don't have anything against nalioth, and I do tend to think highly of him (given the fact he's taken over classoom while I'm on vacation), but he can be difficult...
[02:18] <mornfall> eeeeevening
[02:18] <imbrandon> heya mornfall
[02:18] <ryanakca> hey mornfall
[02:18] <mornfall> umm
[02:18] <mornfall> make that early morning
[02:18] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:18] <imbrandon> and still awake ?
[02:18] <imbrandon> heh
[02:18] <mornfall> just got home
[02:18] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Riddell: I'll have a bash at fixing this source... I'll uploaded withing the hour (or next 15 minutes, if I can get cdbs-edit-patch to work)
[02:19] <imbrandon> ryanakca, no worries i'lll be on for a while ( i just woke up about 2 hours ago )
[02:19] <imbrandon> just poke me whenever
[02:19] <ryanakca> lol, I'm going to bed soon... after a long first day back to school
[02:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: I need to go to bed, but I'm happy for imbrandon to upload it if those issues are fixed
[02:20] <imbrandon> kk sounds good
[02:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, aren't you in the UK or something?
[02:20] <mornfall> goodnight Riddell 
[02:20] <ryanakca> see yah
[02:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'm in Scotland yes
[02:20] <ryanakca> nice :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> mornfall, absinthe ?
[02:20] <ryanakca> G'night :)
[02:21] <mornfall> absinthe, yeh
[02:21] <mornfall> again... wondering when i learn
[02:21] <imbrandon> ryanakca, (or next 15 minutes, if I can get cdbs-edit-patch to work) why not use siplepatchsys ?
[02:21] <imbrandon> simple*
[02:21] <ryanakca> I got it running
[02:22] <imbrandon> heh ok
[02:22] <ryanakca> I was because of an error I made when correcting an error in debian/rules
[02:24] <ryanakca> hmm... where would DATADIR be set I wonder
[02:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: just change that line to a hard coded path
[02:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: so.. " const QString helpdir = HelpBrowser::getLocaleHelpDir("/usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/help/");  "  ?
[02:27] <Riddell> yep
[02:27] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[02:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: remind me, have you looked at ktorrent 2.0.2?
[02:27] <ryanakca> except reading e-books is a pain.. I find I can't concentrate unless it's ink and paper... 
[02:27] <ryanakca> and I'm getting side-tracked
[02:28] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea but there wasent a changelog so the uvf dident get approved yet
[02:28] <imbrandon> ( jdong filed it )
[02:28] <imbrandon> i'll add a changelog to the entry if he hasent and re-ask
[02:28] <imbrandon> and have it ready for when you wake
[02:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, bug 58139
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58139 in ktorrent "UVF exception request ktorrent 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58139
[02:30] <imbrandon> i'll email mdz and kamoin right now
[02:31] <ryanakca> ermm... memory blank...   mv $(CURDIR)/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/qcomicbook/help/ $(CURDIR)/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/help/        would move help/ to /usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/help/ and not/usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/help/help/    right?
[02:33] <Riddell> mv $(CURDIR)/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/qcomicbook/help/ $(CURDIR)/debian/qcomicbook/usr/share/doc/qcomicbook/
[02:33] <imbrandon> uvf mail sent, i'll prep the debdiff for you by morning 
[02:34] <imbrandon> gnight Riddell, sleep well
[02:44] <ryanakca> imbrandon: are you going to upload those top-right-appname.pngs?
[02:48] <ryanakca> imbrandon: did you get that last message?
[02:57] <imbrandon> about ? no
[03:02] <freeflying> do we have a kde stuff like tomboy?
[03:02] <freeflying> morning all
[03:03] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:03] <freeflying> bddebian: hi
[03:04] <bddebian> Hello freeflying
[03:12] <nixternal> dude..we so need kdesklets
[03:12] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee ;)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hey again all
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[03:17] <jdong> freeflying: knotes or something like that?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yay knotes :)
[03:33] <freeflying> dose kontes like tomboy, or wiki like?
[04:30] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sigh
[04:38] <Hobbsee> why must the last two questions of any assignment always be an absolute bitch?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> *doesnt want to do them*
[04:39] <nixternal> hehe
[04:39] <nixternal> those are the worst
[04:40] <nixternal> i need imbrandon to wake up now
[04:40] <nixternal> actually..no i don't
[04:41] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes ?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> *thinks he's around*
[04:41] <Hobbsee> there you go
[04:41] <imbrandon> ...
[04:41] <imbrandon> i just said yes?
[04:41] <nixternal> haha
[04:41] <nixternal> never mind now
[04:41] <nixternal> unping
[04:41] <imbrandon> nixternal, WHAT !?!
[04:41] <nixternal> i was working with bip and what not
[04:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee, ping
[04:41] <nixternal> and i couldn't get irssi to connect 2 different networks to the same ip
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heya
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee is gone, leave a message at the beep, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[04:42] <Jucato> lol
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
 while i put the new router online
[04:42] <Jucato> I need help, I'm not sure if it's related to the last update in Edgy...
[04:42] <Jucato> "Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum support by BIOS"
[04:43] <imbrandon> Jucato, #ubuntu+1 is for general edgy support, just fyi ;)
[04:43] <Jucato> would it be related to the update?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> or just that grub has borked badly.
[04:43] <Jucato> :(
[04:43] <Hobbsee> er, wait.  did grub bork, or did something else?
[04:44] <Jucato> I can't boot into Dapper either... probably GRUB...
[04:44] <Jucato> but the GRUB that's installed on hda's MBR is the one from Dapper...
[04:44] <Jucato>  (I think)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Grub error 18
[04:44] <Hobbsee> info grub wrote:
[04:44] <Hobbsee> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS. This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Try an update for your BIOS and/or move your boot partition to the front (or at least into the appropriate range). 
[04:44] <Jucato> ugh
[04:45] <Jucato> heh, I'll reinstall it...
[04:45] <Jucato> rawr
[04:45] <Jucato> ok then... off to the live CD
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: reinstall edgy's grub.  see !grub
[04:45] <Hobbsee> you can do it with the install cd too, you know
[04:45] <Jucato> strange that it only happened now
[04:45] <Jucato> :D
[04:45] <Jucato> !grub > Jucato
[04:46] <Jucato> ok then, thanks
[04:57] <imbrandon> [21:55]  <Hobbsee> 21:45:29 Jucato: reinstall edgy's grub.  see !grub
[04:57] <imbrandon> [21:55]  <Hobbsee> 21:45:35 you can do it with the install cd too, you know
[04:57] <imbrandon> ^^ that wont move /boot 
[04:57] <imbrandon> to the > 1024 limit
[04:57] <imbrandon> err < 1024 cylender
[04:58] <imbrandon> anyhow you get my point
[04:58] <Hobbsee> er, point.  i'm a little worried as to why he'd be using dapper's grub for edgy.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> or doesnt the upstart stuff change that?
[04:59] <imbrandon> umm upstart dosent have anything to do with grup
[04:59] <imbrandon> grub*
[05:00] <imbrandon> nor does the cyl limit in his bios for that matter
[05:00] <Hobbsee> good
[05:00] <Hobbsee> oh yeah.  of course it wouldnt.  duh.
[05:00] <imbrandon> but a boot loader is a boot loader, i use yaboot on some grub on others lilo on others and winders on some too
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> i think that that phys lecturer fried my brain.
[05:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:01] <imbrandon> ouch
[05:02] <Hobbsee> that's why i tend not to go
[05:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:04] <Hobbsee> oh wait, here it is
[05:04] <imbrandon> no i dident, i just swapped routers
[05:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:05] <imbrandon> so its on a new subnet but still the same, the outside world shouldent notice a diff ( e.g. you )
[05:05] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[05:05] <ajmitch> hello
[05:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh....
[05:06] <nixternal> so far so good..my script is kicking..now we will see if the killirssi script triggers
[05:12] <Jucato> heh, it was Edgy's GRUB that I was using, and giving me the error :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> but its a hdd error not grub
[05:13] <imbrandon> its becouse your /boot ( or what you tried to tell it wass /boot ) was not in the < 1024 cly limit
[05:13] <Jucato> oh...
[05:13] <Jucato> ah Edgy's /boot...
[05:14] <imbrandon> more than likely
[05:14] <Jucato> I reinstalled Dapper's grub and now everything's back to normal. I'm in Edgy again
[05:14] <imbrandon> you probably put it at the end of your drive ( or past 8gb )
[05:14] <Jucato> heh, past 40GB actually :)
[05:14] <imbrandon> all /boots should be near the front of the drive on older bio's if possible
[05:15] <imbrandon> one of the things you need to know if your gonna manualy partition drives ;)
[05:15] <Jucato> yay! now I know
[05:15] <Jucato> it's strange, though that this only happened now...
[05:16] <Jucato> thanks imbrandon! :)
[05:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon> when i have time i'll go over some more multi partition stuff if you want
[05:18] <imbrandon> but i'm kinda busy atm
[05:19] <Jucato> yay! thanks for the offer
[05:19] <Jucato> I owe you a whole fridge of Mt.Dew :)
[05:19] <imbrandon> heh
[05:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ping
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heya
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's up?
[05:20] <imbrandon> heya i hope you have irssi going in a screen on voyager
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> you're rebooting?
[05:20] <imbrandon> becouese it might loose internet for a few seconds ( not rebooting )
[05:20] <imbrandon> just resetting the router(s)
[05:21] <imbrandon> so if you get disconnected just ssh back in and screen -R
[05:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[05:21] <ajmitch> as you do
[05:21] <ajmitch> twisted people..
[05:22] <Jucato> heh
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed. :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm very evil.  
[05:23] <Jucato> as if the whip isn't enough proof of that :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i didnt need a whip with ajmitch - i was the driver :P
[05:28] <Jucato> heh
[05:31] <nixternal> jeesh...check for dead brain cells if you hang out in #ubuntu at all
[05:31] <nixternal> gnome sucks
[05:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:31] <nixternal> it looks clean..but it sucks
[05:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: check this
[05:32] <nixternal> i want to have office icons on one workspace
[05:32] <nixternal> and internet icons on another workspace
[05:32] <nixternal> nobody knows how to do it..and one person suggested fedora
[05:32] <Hobbsee> heh..  is that possible?
[05:32] <nixternal> i can do it in kubuntu
[05:32] <Jucato> ooh?
[05:33] <nixternal> ok, maybe i can't
[05:34] <nixternal> wth was i thinking
[05:34] <Jucato> heh
[05:36] <imbrandon> one person sugested fedora ?
[05:36] <imbrandon> wow
[05:36] <imbrandon> man i rock, ok no more services interuptions Hobbsee
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[05:36] <imbrandon> back to normal now ;)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: amarok ftbfs.  want me to fix it, or do you?
[05:46] <imbrandon> why did it ftb ? i can fix it 
[05:46] <imbrandon> fskin i hate when it builds in pbuilder ( eg on mine and Riddell's box ) then ftbs
[05:47] <Hobbsee> libgpod-dev: Depends: libgpod0 (= 0.3.2-1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:47] <Hobbsee>        Depends: libgtk2.0-dev but it is not going to be installed
[05:47] <imbrandon> ahh thats a buildd issue
[05:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's failed on amd64 and ppc, so far.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> same issue
[05:49] <imbrandon> yea it will fail on the all if that lib isnt installable
[05:50] <imbrandon> kinda given
[05:50] <imbrandon> grr ok well i'll mess with it here after bit
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: as for why, i dont know.  they seem to install okay here.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looks like it's a buildd problem
[05:58] <imbrandon> !ping
[05:58] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[05:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[05:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i've noticed that
[05:59] <imbrandon> ...
[05:59] <imbrandon> tap tap tap , is this thing on ......
[06:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sort of.  most of the time, yes
[06:00] <imbrandon> wow , i'm laggin bad
[07:22] <Hobbsee> oh shit....
[07:22] <Hobbsee> this doesnt sound good...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 4 hours and 14 minutes
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[07:22] <Jucato> O_O
[07:23] <Hobbsee> either my fan is dying, or my entire machine is dying.
[07:23] <Jucato> nooo....
[07:23] <Jucato> :(
[07:24] <Hobbsee> yeah.  *crap*
[07:24] <Hobbsee> *needs to backup her gpg key*
[07:27] <Lathiat> yes gpg backups usefull
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: i only just recreated and got the new one signed.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> i dont want ot lose anothe rmachine
[07:27] <Hobbsee> er, another key
[07:29] <Hobbsee> oh shit......
[07:29] <imbrandon> brandon@enterprise:~$ uptime
[07:29] <imbrandon>  00:28:54 up 16 days, 17:42,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.31, 0.47
[07:29] <imbrandon> brandon@enterprise:~$                  
[07:29] <imbrandon> not too bad of an uptime
[07:29] <imbrandon> heh backup now, then shut it off for a bit
[07:29] <imbrandon> and let it cool
[07:29] <imbrandon> .oO ( time to buy an apple )
[07:30] <Hobbsee> i've just grabbed my gpg key - i dont have the space to backup anything else.
[07:30] <Jucato> 16days..... you guys probably aren't the best people to ask about USplash at startup and shutdown... :)
[07:31] <imbrandon> Jucato, thats my file/web/nfs/smb/imap server ;)
[07:32] <Jucato> ooh... :)
[07:32] <imbrandon> my desktop has been up ummm 3 hours
[07:32] <imbrandon>  00:32:11 up  3:11,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.28, 0.32
[07:32] <Jucato> heh
[07:32] <Jucato> 13:32:25 up  2:29,  1 user,  load average: 0.36, 0.37, 0.35
[07:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: which version of Amarok will Edgy be using? 1.4.2 or 1.4.3?
[07:33] <imbrandon> 1.4.3
[07:33] <Jucato> ah nice :)
[07:33] <imbrandon> its on the buildd's right now still building
[07:34] <Jucato> I see that 1.4.3 is now in Dapper. great job! (do you ever sleep?)
[07:34] <imbrandon> heh
[07:34] <Jucato> ah! I remember that Mt.Dew has some mysterious magical powers that can keep you awak for hours on end :)
[08:30] <_Sime> imbrandon: I just put up the fixed patch on the wiki for the media popup problem.
[08:31] <Jucato> yay! 
[08:31] <Jucato> I was wondering why inserting a CD did absolutely nothing except place an icon on my desktop...
[08:34] <imbrandon> _Sime, cool
[08:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! :)
[08:59] <Hobbsee> hey all
[08:59] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato 
[08:59] <Hobbsee> right, time for a backup
[08:59] <Jucato> :)
[09:16] <Tonio_> yo
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[09:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you notice issues since sysvinit has been replaced bu upstart ?
[09:17] <Tonio_> my computer doesn't shutdown propperly
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, had that too
[09:18] <Jucato> same here...
[09:18] <Tonio_> okay so that's known issue :)
[09:18] <Tonio_> it'll be fixed
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: my system is currently overheating, to the point where the fan was grinding earlier.  now either keybuk has written some really serious crack, or my machine's dying
[09:18] <Hobbsee> i think i'll just blame upstart :P
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i havent filed a bug on it
[09:18] <Tonio_> it'll be fixed
[11:15] <Jucato> er.. question, is Amarok 1.4.3 only installable on systems using KDE 3.5.3 or 3.5.4?
[11:15] <Jucato> on Dapper, I mean
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Jucato: should be fine on dapper
[11:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ping
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: boo
[11:18] <Jucato> lol
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i have to ping you too
[11:18] <gnomefreak> shes gonna kill me
[11:18] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I mean on KDE 3.5.2
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt i have a feeling you will run into depends issues
[11:19] <Jucato> someone's getting this "Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 is to be installed"
[11:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: really now?
[11:19] <Jucato> running on KDE 3.5.2
[11:19] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: kdeaddons and konqplugins dont like being upgraded
[11:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: got an error pastebinned?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> oh yay i got plent of those :)
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ok brb
[11:20] <Jucato> http://www.magic.net.ve/amarok.txt
[11:20] <Jucato> the guy has dapper-backports enabled, as instructed by the announcement on Kubuntu.org
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: interesting.  ask imbrandon 
[11:20] <gnomefreak> its easy enough to fix on my end but i would rather have an official statment
[11:21] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22713
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i can --force-overwrite and fix it im sure but you know me i hate forcing crap
[11:23] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_4%3a3.5.4-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:23] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/konqsidebartng/add/metabar_add.desktop', which is also in package metabar
[11:23] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: know which package it's supposed to be in?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm not sure if he's around.
[11:23] <Jucato> aw shucks..
[11:23] <gnomefreak> assuming metabar
[11:24] <gnomefreak> but they should play well together since both installable
[11:24] <Hobbsee> not really
[11:25] <imbrandon> i'm only arround for the next 3 minutes but overite it for now
[11:25] <imbrandon> i'll have riddell fix it in the morn
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i figured as much
[11:25] <imbrandon> that was one of the files we was messing with
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Jucato: was looking for you thought
[11:25] <gnomefreak> -t
[11:25] <Jucato> imbrandon: does Amarok 1.4.3 work on KDE 3.5.2?
[11:26] <imbrandon> Jucato, yes , well the ones i build do
[11:26] <Jucato> imbrandon:  http://www.magic.net.ve/amarok.txt
[11:26] <Jucato> Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 is to be installed
[11:26] <imbrandon> Qt: 3.3.6
[11:26] <imbrandon> KDE: 3.5.2
[11:26] <Jucato> kdelibs4c2a line?
[11:27] <imbrandon> where from ? riddells or mine ?
[11:27] <Jucato> Riddell's
[11:27] <imbrandon> miine are built against 3.5.2
[11:27] <Jucato> the one announced on Kubuntu.org
[11:27] <imbrandon> try those, he might have a botched chroot
[11:27] <Jucato> heh
[11:27] <imbrandon> try the ones on imbrandon.com , he probably built them in a 3.5.3 chroot
[11:27] <Jucato> it's not mine, btw. someone in the IRC just ran into that problem
[11:27] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: can you file a bug on that, and assign it to me please?  i'm getting yelled at, so cant really fix it now
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ok 
[11:28] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to bed, i'll poke Riddell when i wake about it
[11:28] <gnomefreak> night imbrandon 
[11:28] <Jucato> night imbrandon!!
[11:28] <Jucato> (so you do sleep after all)
[11:29] <imbrandon> Jucato, for now use the same repo i listed for 1.4.2 ( it actualy has 1.4.3 now )
[11:29] <imbrandon> and anyone else you know with problems
[11:29] <Jucato> ok :)
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: what package?
[11:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: kdeaddons
[11:30] <gnomefreak> k
[11:30] <Hobbsee> everything else gets fixed when that duplicate files does
[11:30] <imbrandon> emerge app-admin/sudo
[11:30] <imbrandon> gah
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: assigned to you :)
[11:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ill assign all bugs to you if you like :)
[11:34] <Jucato> lol
[11:36] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:36] <Hobbsee> no thanks
[11:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: what happened to qcomicbook?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ok someones been working hard over here
[12:06] <Riddell> just like to keep the buildds working over
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Riddell: who works on kdevelop3?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> kdevelop3-data needs to be built (atleast im leaning towards a build
[12:17] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it needs to be deleted from the archive if it's still there
[12:18] <gnomefreak> kdevelop depends on it
[12:18] <gnomefreak> kdevelop3
[12:18] <gnomefreak> when you try to install it it trys to bring in kdevelop3-data
[12:19] <Riddell> hmm, the dummy kdevelop3 doesn't seem to make a kdevelop3-data
[12:19] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:20] <gnomefreak> kdevelop3 installed for me but i dont remember what i did to install it :(
[12:20] <gnomefreak> but i thought it was fixed but getting complaints on it
[12:20] <Riddell> it's just a dummy package that depends on kdevelop
[12:23] <gnomefreak> kdevelop3 is a dummy package yeah and it brought in kdevelop-data for me 
[12:41] <kwwii> moin
[12:41] <kwwii> Riddell: did you need something?
[12:42] <Riddell> hmm?
[12:42] <Riddell> I was after the hwdb changes I guess
[12:42] <kwwii> erm, let me put that on my server, one second
[12:44] <kwwii> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/picsForHWDB.tar.gz
[12:45] <kwwii> that includes the white bg for the title and a somewhat crappy icon for othe app itself
[12:45] <Riddell> perfect
[12:48] <sebas> Riddell: If you have some time, can you package power-manager, I think it's quite stable at the moment
[12:48] <Riddell> sebas: yep, I can do that today
[12:49] <sebas> Cool :)
[01:03] <kwwii> sebas: do you have the original files (pics) for the oxygen-style presentation?
[01:03] <kwwii> sebas: the white gear and such is a bit too white
[01:04] <gnomefreak> oh i like them
[01:05] <sebas> kwwii: Uhm, it's the ones I showed you in Paris, so the files are a bit old.
[01:05] <sebas> Is Oxygen-white not #FFFFFF?
[01:07] <kwwii> sebas: nope, it should be partially transparent
[01:07] <kwwii> I am only talking about the stuff on top of the blue bar at the top
[01:09] <sebas> I had used material I got from Nuno some time ago, so it might've been updated in the meantime
[01:09] <sebas> Do you have an updated image for that, preferably also a pdf? 
[01:09] <sebas> ervin wanted to prepare latex beamer templates, he asked for the pdf.
[01:10] <kwwii> sebas: I will ask nuno when he pops around for lunch
[01:10] <sebas> Moin Hobbsee 
[01:10] <sebas> kwwii: He's back from vacation?
[01:10] <kwwii> sebas: yepp, he returned last night (talked to him already)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hey sebas 
[01:11] <sebas> Ok, thanks.
[01:25] <Riddell> _Sime: any idea how you made the guidance.pot file?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[01:26] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[01:27] <Riddell> sorted
[01:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:45] <Lure> Riddell: you can probably remove powermanager and hwdb link from topic...
[01:46] <Riddell> Lure: go ahead
[01:47] <sebas> Riddell: Can I remove feedback that has already been addressed and obviously fixed from the Feedback wikipage?
[01:47] <sebas> It's getting a bit messy otherwise.
[01:48] <Riddell> sebas: nicer to add a comment that it's been fixed (or ignored) and maybe move it to the bottom of the page or something
[01:48] <sebas> ok.
[02:24] <nixternal> good job on katapult, it is whicked groovy ;)
[02:25] <Jucato> Riddell: the version of Amarok 1.4.3 on Kubuntu.org requires at least KDE 3.5.3? imbrandon's build requires at least KDE 3.5.2, according to him
[02:26] <Riddell> mm, blame my chroots
[02:27] <Jucato> :)
[02:27] <Jucato> he did say that
[02:27] <Jucato> darn chroots... :)
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:12] <danimo> moin
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello danimo
[03:36] <Riddell> sebas, el: new power manager for dapper http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060906-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:38] <Riddell> now we can close the 50 "I have 10 power manager icons running" bugs :)
[03:39] <sebas> Go ahead :>
[03:39] <Jucato> heh
[03:40] <MidMark> Riddell: but the bug #39444 will be fixed? I've seen that someone haven't really understood my comments...
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can i try too?  :P
[03:41] <sebas> MidMark: "Maybe" :-)
[03:41] <sebas> Send me some cookies and I'll have a look
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hey COOL!
[03:42] <MidMark> sebas: cookies?
[03:42] <sebas> Yes, cookies.
[03:43] <MidMark> sebas: no idea for what are cookies... reminder?
[03:43] <sebas> To fix the bug in userconfig
[03:43] <el> Riddell, thanks
[03:44] <MidMark> sebas: sorry you have to be more specific for what I have to do, if I can I will do surely
[03:44] <sebas> MidMark: Put cookies in a box, write "sebas" on it, send it to me :-)
[03:45] <MidMark> is it a joke?
[03:45] <sebas> Yes, but I wouldn't mind receiving the cookies for real ;)
[03:45] <MidMark> I hope :)
[03:47] <MidMark> sebas: anyway I want say to you that you have to look at two cases that aren't fixed and that I have written after in the bug report, if you need feedback... send me a cookie ;)
[03:47] <sebas> Does a fix in Edgy mean "fix committed" or "fix released"?
[03:47] <sebas> MidMark: I might consider ;-)
[03:48] <seaLne> released afaik
[03:48] <sebas> Ok, thanks.
[03:48] <seaLne> i've used commited when it does but not available in the archive, other may use different definitions
[03:49] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i think that's the definition.   ie, when it's waiting to be built
[03:51] <MidMark> another thing: is there a little place in kubuntu.org for a link to a dapper review in italian? Real-time link translation with google can be done easily
[04:03] <Hobbsee> sebas: my g-p-m is on crack, it's currently told me that i'm low on battery power 3 times.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it's sitting on charging, 85%, on AC power
[04:03] <sebas> Hobbsee: Does the popup go away, or was that only during start?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> sebas: not during the start.  it's randomly happened a few times.  anyway i can debug this for you?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ah, it does at the start too
[04:04] <Hobbsee> *tries running it thru a console*
[04:04] <sebas> Hobbsee: I suspect HAL
[04:05] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh.  always fun, that
[04:05] <kwwii> hehe, I know that feeling
[04:07] <Riddell> MidMark: can you test for that bug in the new guidance .deb I posted?
[04:08] <Riddell> MidMark: reviews can be added to ubuntu weekly newsletter
[04:09] <DaSkreech> You know I think it's strange that we have so many complaints about network issues in Dapper
[04:09] <DaSkreech> I wonder if ubotu can be a popcon for complaints
[04:09] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: there were mroe in breezy.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> mainly because we had *no* decent config tool at all
[04:09] <MidMark> Riddell: ok now I download the deb, for the review who I have to contact?
[04:10] <Jucato> I have an idea about what people will be complaining most about Edgy :)
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: See the problem doesn't seem to be config. Though there are a lot of those
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the artowrk? :P
[04:10] <DaSkreech> It's apps suddenly not being able to see the internet or some applications can see it and some can
[04:10] <DaSkreech> 't
[04:11] <Jucato> sssh... not with kwwii around :)
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Though they have already ripped it off and put it on kde-look :)
[04:12] <Jucato> heh
[04:12] <kwwii> lol
[04:13] <MidMark> Riddel: python-dbus is it available for dapper?
[04:13] <Jucato> I think I'm going to develop a craving for purple yam in due time...
[04:13] <Riddell> MidMark: should be yes
[04:14] <Riddell> oh fooey, it's called python2.4-dbus
[04:14] <MidMark> ok
[04:14] <kwwii> funny, I am currently testing a new idea for kdm :-)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: got a screenshot?
[04:15] <kwwii> Hobbsee: hehe, you tell me how to make one and I'll show it to you :-)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you run it in xnest, imbrandon tells me.  i've never been able to make it work
[04:16] <danimo> *yuck*
[04:17] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind a easy Xnest test button like in Ubuntu
[04:17] <DaSkreech> danimo: how bad is it?
[04:17] <danimo> DaSkreech: as bad as http://developernew.kde.org
[04:18] <danimo> DaSkreech: will hopefully make contribution to kde easier when it comes to adding knowledge
[04:18] <Riddell> MidMark: ok, download again
[04:18] <danimo> DaSkreech: like it?
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Loading
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Bnice
[04:19] <DaSkreech> nice :) 
[04:19] <Hobbsee> heya eeanm 
[04:19] <eeanm> hey all, the Amarok release image this time is a CC license that requires attribution.
[04:20] <eeanm> just want to keep our i's dotted ;)
[04:21] <Riddell> hmm
[04:21] <Riddell> eeanm: how does amarok.kde.org attribute it?
[04:22] <eeanm> bah, before irssi blew up
[04:22] <Riddell> 15:21 < Riddell> eeanm: how does amarok.kde.org attribute it?
[04:22] <eeanm> I wanted to say that a message like at the bottom of http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/81/66/
[04:23] <Riddell> MidMark: add the review to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13
[04:24] <Riddell> eeanm: added, thanks http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[04:25] <eeanm> cool
[04:25] <eeanm> :)
[04:25] <kwwii> hehe, I just proved that starting a new session is just as messed up on edgy ppc as on dapper
[04:25] <jdong> fix*
[04:25] <Jucato> Riddell: maybe a note to say that Amarok 1.4.3 currently needs at least KDE 3.5.3?
[04:26] <kwwii> and the theme that I was working on for amarok no longer looks right in edgy :-(
[04:26] <jdong> Jucato: isn't dapper 3.5.3?
[04:26] <jdong> or 3.5.2?
[04:26] <Jucato> jdong: no. 3.5.2 by default
[04:26] <Riddell> Jucato: I fixed that
[04:26] <Jucato> Riddell: yay! :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii: so you got amarok to start then
[04:31] <kwwii> Hobbsee: on dapper, yes...on my edgy box sound is not working at all
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahhhhh.
[04:32] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't Amarok 1.4.3 fix that problem on PPC?
[04:33] <kwwii> Jucato: my sound is messed up entirely on edgy, it is not amarok specific
[04:33] <Jucato> ah... 
[04:33] <kwwii> but something in amarok changed, as certain themes do not work quite so well
[04:34] <Jucato> ouch?!
[04:34] <Jucato> not good...
[04:35] <kwwii> you have heard of the karate kid? well, I am the kdm kid...login, logout, login, lgout
[04:36] <Jucato> lol
[04:36] <Jucato> crazy, even
[04:40] <kwwii> ok, time to start testing, bbl
[04:41] <Jucato> heh... I'm scared to restart...
[04:44] <jdong> Jucato: install upstart, then tell me if you're scared to restart
[04:44] <jdong> :)
[04:44] <Jucato> heh
[04:45] <Jucato> I should be using upstart now, since I update always, right?
[04:45] <jdong> yeah, you should be
[04:46] <Jucato> :)
[04:47] <Jucato> I got an Error 18 this morning (12 hours ago)... I don't know if it was indirectly caused by the update though. but definitely because Edgy's boot goes waaay beyond the first 8GB of the HD...
[04:47] <jdong> shouldn't be because of the update
[04:47] <jdong> could just be bad luck
[04:48] <Jucato> it's the first time I've encountered that though. and this partition where Edgy's sitting on has been home to Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and MEPIS with no problems..
[04:48] <Jucato> and Edgy too, until this morning...
[05:16] <MidMark> Riddell: ok will try later thanx
[05:51] <abattoir>  /topic
[05:52] <Jucato> :)
[05:52] <abattoir> must have left a space
[06:03] <jdong_> sebas: ping
[06:21] <sebas> jdong_: pong
[06:21] <jdong_> sebas: I'd like to rant a bit about guidance-power-manager again... :)
[06:22] <Jucato> :)
[06:22] <sebas> jdong_: Can you email me?
[06:22] <sebas> I'm about to have dinner
[06:22] <jdong_> sebas: k, sure
[06:22] <jdong_> enjoy your dinner
[06:22] <sebas> sebas@kde.org please, thanks :)
[06:26] <DaSkreech> http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast/
[06:27] <kwwii> re
[06:27] <Jucato> hi kwwii! :)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Wouldn't that be a gret addition to kubuntu?
[06:28] <Jucato> err... possibly :)
[06:29] <jdong_> DaSkreech: well, it does have at least one k in the name where a c or q is appropriate....
[06:29] <jdong_> so I guess
[06:29] <Jucato> lol
[06:30] <Jucato> that doesn't have a k, q, or even a c. :)
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was almost going to ask why not skreenkast :)
[06:30] <kwwii> hehe, katapult works again!
[06:30] <Jucato> heh. yeah :)
[06:31] <mbiebl> sebas: g-p-m begins to look nice, I noticed one issue though
[06:31] <beligum> Hi all, I'm the creator of ScreenKast and I'm looking for someone who is willing to package it
[06:31] <jdong_> mbiebl: sebas is at dinner. complain to sebas@kde.org
[06:32] <beligum> I've already a working debian subdir in the source (used it to package previous releases)
[06:32] <kwwii> beligum: not that I'll package it for you, but what is ScreenKast?
[06:32] <mbiebl> jdong_: Ok, thanks.
[06:32] <kwwii> and shouldn't it be SkreenKast to be 100% compliant? :-)
[06:32] <beligum> A screen-capturing program and client to http://captorials.com
[06:32] <beligum> lol
[06:33] <kwwii> wow, looks cool
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know tell me about it
[06:34] <DaSkreech> needs mike support though
[06:34] <Jucato> DaSkreech: "wow, looks cool"
[06:38] <kwwii> ok, back to testing
[06:38] <kwwii> and then dinner
[06:38] <kwwii> see you all later
[06:38] <Jucato> kwwii: would it be possible to have a kubuntu logo icon, just for an alternative icon (for K Menu, hehe!)
[06:38] <Jucato> aw... he left :)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> el:  http://canllaith.blogspot.com/
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Hmm Aren't there docs on making Ubuntu packages?
[06:40] <Hawkwind> All over the wiki
[06:40] <Jucato> !packaging > DaSkreech
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: | beligum
[06:40] <Jucato> lol
[06:41] <abattoir> DaSkreech: it should be installed too... if you are running kubuntu ;)
[06:41] <Hawkwind> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[06:41] <Jucato> !packaging > beligum
[06:41] <DaSkreech> abattoir: That's what I'm thinking. Can it be thrown in before FF?
[06:41] <abattoir> DaSkreech: screenkast?
[06:41] <Jucato> hmm...
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:42] <beligum> Ok, I'm lost here
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Seems edgy enough and could use some bashing and testing 
[06:42] <Jucato> universe freeze happens after main freeze, AFAIK
[06:42] <el> DaSkreech, thanks ! I mailed with her yesterday, and she'll also be at akademy. 
[06:42] <beligum> bathroom break broke a lot of things
[06:42] <DaSkreech> But Butt?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I was thinking main? 
[06:43] <DaSkreech> >_<
[06:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: probably not...
[06:43] <DaSkreech> But it's Kool! 
[06:43] <abattoir> DaSkreech: well i dont think that'd be possible
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Yeh me either
[06:43] <DaSkreech> maybe edgy +1
[06:43] <Jucato> not everything that's kool makes it into main :)
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah :-p Like ?
[06:44] <Jucato> DaSkreech: just read the criteria for what goes into the components: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Well I think skreecnkast gives enough value ot the average end user
[06:44] <Jucato> "Software in main includes a hand-selected list of applications that the Ubuntu developers, community, and users feel are important and that the Ubuntu security and distribution team are willing to support."
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah I just wanted it to get banged on a bit :)
[06:45] <abattoir> DaSkreech: but how many people are going to use it everyday? the average user...
[06:45] <DaSkreech> I guess edgy can't breakk all the rules 
[06:45] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I may not hang around with the "average" but I can see it getting used a leat a few times a week
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Kinda Ksnapshot ++
[06:47] <abattoir> DaSkreech: anyways, i'm not the person you need to convince :P... so...
[06:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you know who to convince... :D
[06:47] <DaSkreech> abattoir: wasn't trying to convince (well maybe myself) just getting feedback
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Yes I know
[06:47] <Jucato> lol
[06:47] <abattoir> DaSkreech: tbh, i think universe is the perfect place for it, but its just me
[06:47] <jdong_> oh boy
[06:47] <jdong_> here it goes again
[06:48] <Jucato> jdong_: what does?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Haha
[06:48] <abattoir> lol
[06:48] <jdong_> Jucato: the Riddell summoning ceremony
[06:48] <Jucato> lol
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Now everyone in the office is looking at me
[06:48] <abattoir> DaSkreech: you *really* did that? ;)
[06:48] <jdong_> mornfall: you're mr. adept, right?
[06:49] <mornfall> jdong_: in a reverie, yes
[06:49] <abattoir> DaSkreech: look!!! behind you!!
[06:49] <DaSkreech>  /oom /oom
[06:49] <jdong_> mornfall: any chance for changelog display on updates? please, please please please please? :)
[06:49] <Jucato> lol
[06:49] <jdong_> lol
[06:49] <Jucato> what a nice way to make first acquiantances :)
[06:49] <DaSkreech> beligum: Oh btw you should probably be reading through the links ubotu gave you :)
[06:50] <beligum> lol, I figured :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> jdong_: imbrandon kicked my butt for asking about that :)
[06:50] <jdong_> Jucato: I have my ways :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> I hacked around it anyway :)
[06:50] <beligum> btw, I'm planning to organize a 100$ prize contest for ScreenKast at captorials.com
[06:50] <beligum> (similar to ubuntuvideo)
[06:50] <mornfall> DaSkreech: what have you done?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I installed apt-listchanges 
[06:51] <mornfall> i have that too :P
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Now anytime I install something it tells me what changed before the commit
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Course that still sucks since I won't know if I should have installed it before downloading a bloody 30 MB package but it's better than commiting in the dark then having hte machine go berserk
[06:52] <mornfall> anyone can recommend a movie?
[06:52] <bddebian> Not without violating the CoC ;-P
[06:52] <jdong_> mornfall: yeah. It's called watch jdong bug iwj about firefox 2.0b2 :)
[06:52] <bddebian> 40 Year Old Virgin was better than Wedding Crasher's imo
[06:53] <mornfall> what's with coc
[06:53] <bddebian> mornfall: Have you seen Team America: World Police? :-)
[06:53] <mornfall> probably no
[06:53] <abattoir> or, Southpartk :Bigger, Longer Uncut :P
[06:53] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[06:53] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Do you know if Ubunut is going to support the diff changes in apt?
[06:54] <mornfall> i have The Virgin Suicides here... but it may not be the best idea ever, being depressed fairly heavily
[06:54] <DaSkreech> I would have thought that would be tested in edgy
[06:54] <mornfall> DaSkreech: dunno, i thought it's in place already...
[06:54] <mornfall> +hav
[06:54] <mornfall> +e
[06:56] <DaSkreech> el: tell her DaSkreech Says hello
[06:57] <el> i already have , DaSkreech :)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> el: I like you :)
[06:57] <Jucato> that was fast.. eheheh
[06:57] <Jucato> :)
[06:57] <mornfall> hi el
[06:57] <el> hi mornfall :)
[07:00] <DaSkreech> UNrelated topic
[07:00] <DaSkreech>  Whats up with Kubuntu and klik?
[07:00] <Jucato> klik is still alive?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> I guess so. People keep mentioning it
[07:01] <DaSkreech> People say the same thing about GHNS :-)
[07:01] <Jucato> I thought the "buzz" died a few months ago... 
[07:01] <Jucato> GHNS?
[07:01] <abattoir> Get Hot New Stuff
[07:01] <Jucato> ah
[07:02] <abattoir> KGetHotNewStuff
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Is there a GnuGHNS?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> I think that's it's a great way to get non coders active in OSS
[07:03] <abattoir> gnuGHNS ?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> No GHNS
[07:07] <DaSkreech> It'd be teh aw3svm for non technical people to jump in and help
[07:11] <rraphink> hmmm
[07:12] <rraphink> am I the only one with apt broken in edgy?
[07:12] <jdong> rraphink: apt broken?
[07:12] <rraphink> yes
[07:12] <rraphink> i've had it broken for a few days
[07:12] <jdong> how so?
[07:12] <rraphink> it segfaults 
[07:13] <jdong> ouch
[07:13] <jdong> apt works fine here
[07:13] <rraphink>  $ apt-cache show apt
[07:13] <rraphink> Erreur de segmentation
[07:13] <rraphink> as straight as this
[07:13] <rraphink> ;)
[07:13] <jdong> hmm
[07:13] <jdong> time for a debsums?
[07:14] <rraphink> well i'll reinstall it
[07:14] <rraphink> never know ;)
[07:14] <jdong> :)
[07:15] <rraphink> doesn't fix
[07:15] <rraphink> i'll try to downgrade it
[07:16] <rraphink> now it works :)
[07:16] <rraphink> except python is broken
[07:16] <rraphink> lol
[07:17] <jdong> lol
[07:17] <jdong> just bad luck all around :)
[07:17] <DaSkreech> My friend
[07:22] <rraphink> fixing python
[07:24] <rraphink> hmm trying to, rather
[08:04] <_Sime> Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/i18n.html
[08:12] <Lure> sebas: ping
[08:18] <_Sime> KSS needs to be updated from SVN.
[08:18] <sebas> Lure: pong
[08:19] <Lure> sebas: do we intentionally use battery level as indicator of battery being present? I am currently recycling my battery (going to zero) and when capacity drops below 1% it claims removed
[08:20] <Lure> we should use battery.present property instead
[08:22] <sebas> Lure: Uhm. ...
[08:23] <Lure> sebas: this will anyhow need refactoring for multi-battery, so I might want to change this
[08:24] <sebas> We don't use battery level as that indicator, we check if that device is reported by HAL.
[08:24] <sebas> I can have a look at battery.present, though. That might be useful for the case of removal.
[08:24] <sebas> The code is a bit dodgy there.
[08:25] <Riddell> _Sime: what's changed?
[08:25] <Lure> sebas: there is code which says: if level: "x%" else: "removed"
[08:26] <Lure> sebas: guidance-power-manager.py:264
[08:27] <sebas> Hm, that's a "if level isn't available"
[08:27] <_Sime> Riddell: I just updated KSS here on edgy and noticed that my "hit indicator" change hasn't been picked up yet.
[08:27] <sebas> getBatteryState() returns None there for level.
[08:27] <Lure> _Sime: btw, accessibility icon is fixed in last upload (and powermanager is not in Lost+Found) - Tonio_ fixed it
[08:28] <_Sime> Lure: yeah, I noticed that. the other changes were to the cpp code.
[08:29] <_Sime> sebas: I saw that. goodonya
[08:29] <sebas> I'll commit the fix for the 'high' bug in userconfig in a minute though.
[08:36] <Lure> sebas: even better - my battery does not report "battery.charge_level.percentage" property at all! And we use this for level...
[08:37] <sebas> Lure: Hm ... 
[08:38] <sebas> And power-manager still works?
[08:38] <sebas> I mean, that'd surprise me :>
[08:38] <Lure> sebas: wrong - this is only when battery is empty (was looking at saved log of lshal before machint shut off)
[08:40] <Lure> sebas: but currently (when charging) I get strange result: Battery: charging (99%), but "removed" in battery progress bar
[08:43] <Lure> sebas: but hal is reporting ok - will put in pastebin
[08:45] <Lure> sebas: lshal with flat battery - just before shutdown: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22753
[08:45] <sebas> Thanks.
[08:46] <Lure> sebas: lshal when charging - almost fully charged: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22754
[08:46] <sebas> Hm, I could compute the level.percentage from the other values, if it's not there.
[08:46] <Lure> sebas: in both cases it claimed "removed" in progress bar
[08:49] <Lure> sebas: battery.charge_level.percentage = 100; but it still claims "Charging (99%)"
[08:49] <sebas> Let me try to resolve the other one first :>
[08:56] <kwwii> evening
[08:57] <Riddell> kwwii: I remembered another bit of artwork we'll need, the website release announcement image
[08:57] <Riddell> anything feelgood and somewhat kubuntu related
[08:57] <kwwii> Riddell: right, and I guess the website pics themse4lves (the header part)?
[08:57] <sebas> Lure: Can you try this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22757
[08:57] <sebas> That should give you the percentage
[08:58] <Riddell> kwwii: yeah, since we're going with that new logo variant
[08:58] <Lure> sebas: I just got notification that "new battery inserted" ;-) and battery is now fully charged
[08:59] <sebas> Lure: Uhm, the patch is wrong, wait.
[08:59] <Lure> sebas: I see
[08:59] <Lure> sebas: elif has empty strings and you will always get 1
[09:01] <Lure> sebas: I think we should still first check for "battery.present" == yes
[09:01] <sebas> Lure: That's another case, first this one.
[09:01] <sebas> I'm getting confused otherwise.
[09:01] <Lure> sebas: I still have another entry for battery (travel) it just claims present = no
[09:01] <Lure> sebas: ok ;-)
[09:02] <sebas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22758
[09:02] <sebas> This one should help with the level.
[09:02] <Lure> sebas: will try, I just need to discharge it for 1-2% first ;-)
[09:03] <sebas> No, this should resolve percentage not being reported.
[09:04] <sebas> You said it didn't have that one at all, now we emulate it.
[09:04] <sebas> Hm, you have percentage when it's nearly full obviously ... 
[09:05] <Lure> sebas: it has percentage, only when flat this one is not there (see my second paste)
[09:05] <sebas> It seems to disappear once it's 0.
[09:05] <sebas> I'm adding battery.present then
[09:05] <Lure> sebas: I need to go down to 0 again to test this, so it will take some time (1 hour)
[09:06] <sebas> I'll have battery.present supported by then, I guess :>
[09:09] <Riddell> abattoir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSupportTeam is interesting
[09:10] <abattoir> Riddell: you saw it? :P
[09:10] <abattoir> it was supposed to be raised in the meeting tomorrow
[09:11] <abattoir> Riddell: the aim is to get more people to coordinate this stuff. Many are willing to contribute.. but do not know how to code/ package
[09:12] <abattoir> this is an avenue for them
[09:12] <kwwii> dude, what have they done to vi?
[09:12] <kwwii> edgy vi SUCKS
[09:12] <kwwii> it is like going back 10 years 
[09:13] <Lure> kwwii: install vim package - only vim-tiny is included by default
[09:13] <Lure> kwwii: this was done due to size issue
[09:13] <Lure> kwwii: no space on CD :-(
[09:13] <kwwii> hehe, and emacs? is it still included?
[09:14] <kwwii> man, oh man...I could learn nano
[09:14] <sebas> Lure: I've just committed a fix that works for me for the remove battery from bay and reinsert it case.
[09:14] <sebas> Can you svn up, g-p-m restart and unplug / replug your battery to see if that breaks.
[09:14] <sebas> vim7 rocks, btw.
[09:15] <kwwii> sorry to ask this, but I have to know...are you a Lee June fan? or are you Lee Jun Fan?
[09:15] <Lure> sebas: has to merge conflict
[09:15] <sebas> Lure: Revert my previous patch
[09:16] <sebas> or rm powermanage.py and svn up if you don't have local changes.
[09:16] <sebas> The level thing is also in there.
[09:16] <sebas> But indented an extra level, that's why it won't merge.
[09:19] <Lure> sebas: it works, I just got "battery is on low power" notification before "battery removed" notification
[09:19] <sebas> Cool.
[09:20] <sebas> That one should help with those "but I didn't insert my battery just now cases!"
[09:20] <abattoir> kwwii: i think that's his full name :P
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: battery is now removed, but tooltip still claims "Charging (61%)", even though battery is not present
[09:20] <sebas> Lure: if you retrigger the tooltip?
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: progress bar is ok ("removed"), just the label
[09:21] <Lure> sebas: after several tries
[09:21] <sebas> Ow, ok.
[09:21] <Lure> sebas: lshal is correct (two baterries, both not present)
[09:22] <Lure> sebas: and I would suggest to use "not present" instead of "removed"
[09:24] <sebas> Committed (but I'll make it "not present" indeed).
[09:24] <sebas> The label there just wasn't updated.
[09:26] <Riddell> abattoir: very cool idea
[09:26] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks :) glad that you like it
[09:26] <Lure> sebas: why do we have label at all - it just duplicates what we have in progress bar anyhow
[09:28] <sebas> Nope, that label shows the state (charging, discharging, not present, full), the progressbar shows percentages / minutes depending on the state.
[09:28] <Lure> sebas: it may make sense with multi-battery - we could have one bar for each battery and label to show cummulative state
[09:29] <sebas> It makes sense right now :-)
[09:29] <Lure> sebas: agreed, but having "has been removed" in label and "removed" in bar is duplication, isn't it
[09:29] <sebas> Ow, that way, that's right. I can remove it then.
[09:30] <sebas> Done, I'll commit it with the next fixes.
[09:30] <Lure> sebas: can we discuss how we can integrate multi battery support? I plan to start coding tonight and then test on friday when I get my battery back.
[09:31] <sebas> Lure: Sure.
[09:31] <Lure> I think we need to go similar approach as cpus: widget is dynamically added instead of fixed one progress bar
[09:31] <Lure> what I am not sure if we want to have additional bar for total (like powersave)
[09:32] <Lure> most laptops only have one, so additional bar is confusion; the others may haw two (but not more) and from two bar it is also pretty clear the total % left
[09:33] <Lure> so, if we would add total % to the label, we would have enough info w/o cluttering tooltip with addiitonal bar
[09:33] <sebas> I'd want the cumulative value displayed anyway
[09:33] <Lure> sebas: yes, but each bar should present individual % (or time remaining)
[09:34] <Riddell> imbrandon: what conclusion did we come to on QtNX?
[09:34] <sebas> % when charging, minutes remaining when discharging
[09:34] <sebas> That's what we do now, and what Ellen said makes sense.
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: exactly - the only question is what to display for battery that is not discharging yet - 100% or 1:34h
[09:35] <sebas> minutes is only interesting as cumulative value though, charge rate can be written on the battery progressbars
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: on my HP, travel bettery is discharged first and charged last
[09:35] <sebas> Time remaining if unplugged
[09:36] <sebas> Wait, we display a cumulative value in minutes, and percentages for each battery and for cumulative only while charging
[09:36] <kwwii> abattoir: how do you know it is a man? :p
[09:36] <Lure> sebas: true, so bar should be always % charged, and label should be: "Fully charged", "Charging (X%), "xx:yy remaining"?
[09:37] <sebas> So we need cumulative states, such as hasBattery
[09:37] <abattoir> kwwii: well, i'm assuming 'Lee' is *his* surname, i'd say Jun is a common male chinese first name :P
[09:37] <sebas> getBatteryState() should return the cumulative value (that's where things would break otherwise.
[09:38] <sebas> We could check for multiple batteries and add a getBatteryState(battery_no)
[09:38] <abattoir> kwwii: just a wild educated guess though :)
[09:38] <sebas> So you can do the displaying with that method
[09:38] <Lure> sebas: yes, or have table like for cpu's
[09:38] <sebas> That's a hboxthingie
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: like self.CpuProgress[cpu] 
[09:39] <sebas> Yup, it makes sense to use a dict there.
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: yes, and that is all we need: % and what label to write in bar for each battery
[09:39] <sebas> But there would need to be a cumulative field
[09:39] <sebas> Yes.
[09:39] <kwwii> abattoir: :-)
[09:39] <Lure> yes, cumulative still has to be there.
[09:40] <sebas> batteryUnplugged[battery] 
[09:40] <sebas> So you know which one is there, and which one's unplugged.
[09:40] <Lure> batteryPresent[battery] 
[09:40] <Lure> ;-)
[09:40] <sebas> Yes.
[09:41] <Lure> currently HAL reports two batteries, even though I did not have travel battery attached for more than a week - not sure where hal gets this info
[09:41] <Riddell> from linux
[09:41] <Lure> good thing is that I can start implementing multi-battery even though I do not have second battery ;-)
[09:41] <Riddell> HAL just reads /sys mostly
[09:42] <Lure> Riddell: yes, but I had several reboots inbetween - it seems that ACPI has some nvram
[09:42] <Lure> and is aware that there was second battery attached
[09:42] <Riddell> kwwii: ping ping
[09:43] <sebas> I've two bays, but only one battery reported.
[09:43] <sebas> Never had a second one plugged  in
[09:47] <Lure> sebas: so tooltip.ui has to be changed to not include bar at all and all battery/cpu bars will be added dynamically, right?
[09:48] <Lure> sebas: like cpu is already done
[09:49] <abattoir> kwwii: i was apparently wrong, that's not his real name :( , he is a Bruce Lee fan :D 
[09:49] <kwwii> haha! I knew it!
[09:49] <kwwii> see, now my question does not sound sooo stupid :-)
[09:49] <Riddell> ahem
[09:50] <abattoir> kwwii: i never said it was stupid, anyways, my mistake, get back to Riddell, or he might kick me :)
[09:50] <kwwii> erm, why is vim on the CDs? and since it is there, why is it not installed?
[09:50] <Lure> or double ping cancel each other ;-)
[09:51] <Riddell> we removed most of vim recently
[09:51] <Riddell> kwwii: able to join us in #akademy ?
[09:51] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp
[09:57] <Lure> sebas: still claims it is removed on flat battery
[09:59] <sebas> Lure: Hm, I'll have another look in a bit.
[09:59] <Lure> sebas: hal state http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22764
[10:00] <Lure> sebas: battery.charge_level.current does not exist either...
[10:01] <Lure> sebas: maybe we should use "battery.reporting.current" instead
[10:01] <Lure> sebas: no, that is different unit... :-(
[10:02] <Lure> sebas: I think we should just check if percentage is not there, we should set level to 0 (and not try to calculate)
[10:05] <ryanakca> hmm.. is that the stupid laptop batery thing that doesn't want to stop popping up each time I log in despite the fact that I close it every time and I don't own a laptop?
[10:05] <Lure> ryanakca: probably ;-)
[10:06] <ryanakca> ick
[10:06] <Lure> sebas: ^^^ powermanager should probably go down if no battery (or something)
[10:06] <DaSkreech> Silly power cuts
[10:06] <DaSkreech> Did Riddell awake?
[10:06] <ryanakca> during install there should be the question " Will this be a laptop installation? " during the install of the OS... to determine if it is needed
[10:07] <Lure> ryanakca: power-manager should shutdown if not laptop
[10:07] <Lure> ryanakca: Kubuntu policy is no questions (like kpersonalizer)
[10:08] <sebas> I think the idea was to not only do battery stuff with power-manager.
[10:08] <ryanakca> oh
[10:08] <sebas> Not that it's there, HAL does not report mouse and keyboard battery here, for example.
[10:08] <Lure> sebas: true, but currently it does not do much more (cpu freq reporting)
[10:09] <sebas> Yes, for cpufreq reporting it might be useful on !laptops.
[10:09] <sebas> I doubt that this is use case enough though.
[10:09] <Lure> sebas: also some machines support hibernate
[10:10] <Lure> sebas: but battery icon is not right one and any battery notification should be disabled
[10:10] <sebas> Lure: Yeah, but didn't you change ksmserver to supply that?
[10:10] <kwwii> Riddell: which version do you think we should print? I think the 3d logo would be the best
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Can't you detect if it's a laptop?
[10:11] <sebas> And frankly, hibernate and suspend could just as well go into kmenu, a systrayicon only for that sounds like overkill to me.
[10:11] <Lure> sebas: yes, it is there and I think it is enough - power-manager has it too only for convinience
[10:11] <sebas> Yup, and p-m does need that funcionality anyway, for traditional reasons: people expect it to be there.
[10:11] <sebas> And for autosuspend stuff.
[10:12] <sebas> So someone tell me what to do with !laptops.
[10:12] <Lure> sebas: problem is that HAL's system.formfactor = 'laptop' may not be enough  - but we may start with this check
[10:12] <sebas> battery *may* well be enough, for sure combined with form factor.
[10:12] <Lure> sebas: I would exit immediatelly if system.formfactor != 'laptop'
[10:13] <Lure> (for now, in future we may have better check)
[10:15] <sebas> I can do that and wait for complaints.
[10:26] <ryanakca> can you make patches of images? like I'm trying to package an icon set, but I'm trying to get rid of their klogo (which is a flying monster) and change it to a normal klogo.
[10:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[10:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: diff --text -u
[10:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: then  uuencode foo.diff foo.diff > foo.diff.uu
[10:27] <ryanakca> so manual patch?
[10:27] <Riddell> then in rules build-dep no sharutils and have   uudecode foo.diff.uu
[10:27] <ryanakca> kk
[10:28] <Riddell> oh, no idea about these fancy cdbs-patch thingys 
[10:29] <ryanakca> lol, cdbs-edit-patch is being a pain, and the dscr-new-patch doesn't work with images, so I guess it's either manual or some other system
[10:30] <haggai> quilt is pretty cool
[10:33] <Lure> sebas: another interesting bug - when charging it reports you are on low battery power - probably when getting from critical -> warning level ;-)
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Riddell:  :-)
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Did you see the discussion above with beligum ?
[10:35] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no
[10:36] <DaSkreech> http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast/
[10:37] <DaSkreech> beligum has written that and is looking to get it into the repos. I was wondering if it could be a edgy candidate
[10:38] <Riddell> sure
[10:38] <Riddell> package it up
[10:38] <Lure> DaSkreech: why not - just put on revu and get two MOTUs to review
[10:38] <Lure> DaSkreech: I would like to see it in Edgy
[10:39] <DaSkreech> Well beligum doesn't seem to be here now. He was asking someone to be responsible for packaging it. He already has debian debs
[10:40] <DaSkreech> He was given the packagaing docs and was reading them. Just wanted to get some info for the next time he pops up
[10:40] <DaSkreech> When is universe FF?
[10:41] <Lure> DaSkreech: if he has debian packages, just upload to revu
[10:41] <DaSkreech> Lure: Ok done :)
[10:41] <DaSkreech> I'll mail him
[10:42] <Lure> DaSkreech: universe freezes on Sep 28 ;-) - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Oh plenty of stretch time
[10:44] <DaSkreech> I was putting this forward as a candidate for main 
[10:44] <DaSkreech> the Well tested requirement gave me pause though
[10:46] <Lure> DaSkreech: I would preffer digiKam to main first... ;-)
[10:46] <DaSkreech> Whts the standing for digikam now?
[10:47] <DaSkreech> Stand-in?
[10:48] <Lure> DaSkreech: nothing
[10:48] <DaSkreech> That's not good
[10:48] <Riddell> gwenview
[10:48] <Riddell> but digikam has a bunch of depeds that need main inclusion reports too
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Well If we can get digiKam in and get a writeup on screenKast for Fridge I'd be ok
[10:49] <DaSkreech> gwenView does Camera imports?
[10:51] <Riddell> no, we have camera:/ for that, which isn't great
[10:58] <Riddell> Sime: I've uploaded a new system settings, working well for me
[10:58] <Sime> Riddell: and when you type something into the search box?
[11:00] <Riddell> Sime: I get a funky little label saying how many results are in each section
[11:00] <Sime> Riddell: good
[11:04] <sebas> Why does it cost me half an hour to find out how to read some specific value? :/
[11:04] <Riddell> sebas: presumably when pyqt4.2 is out we can use the qt API
[11:04] <Riddell> I hope
[11:04] <sebas> Riddell: I hope so (and the Qt mainloop)
[11:05] <sebas> But PyKDE 4 will not be there this year, so that's kind of late...
[11:05] <Riddell> we don't need pykde4, qt 4.2 is good enough (dbus, systray support)
[11:07] <sebas> No KDE widgets, no KDialog, no KCM ... 
[11:07] <beligum> ok, back
[11:07] <sebas> No KGlobals, that means problems with iconloading and finding them ... 
[11:07] <sebas> Still, the dbus is far too complex to be usable right now.
[11:07] <yuriy> sebas: i just got a laptop and installing edgy now. any thing in particular to test for with p-m?
[11:07] <sebas> It's not that this is the first time I struggle with it
[11:08] <sebas> yuriy: If it works :>
[11:08] <DaSkreech> beligum: Scroll up a bit. If you have a good Debian deb already you just need to upload it to revu
[11:08] <DaSkreech> as well as dependencies :)
[11:08] <beligum> no package yet, just everything in place to do it
[11:08] <beligum> ok, if I package on Dapper?
[11:10] <Lure> beligum: probably ok, you can create edgy pbuilder to test build
[11:11] <yuriy> sebas: i should get the latest from svn?
[11:15] <beligum> I'll have to do some stuff first, but I guess the packages (libinstrudeo and screenkast) will be ready in two hours or so
[11:15] <beligum> What do I do when done?
[11:16] <Riddell> beligum: if you want to do the work yourself, ask on #ubuntu-motu for an account on REVU (you'll need a GPG key), upload and poke us to review it
[11:17] <beligum> hmmm, well, since this would be my first official packages, I'd appreciate some help
[11:17] <Riddell> more REVU info at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:17] <yuriy> sebas: should the brightness setting be working independently of the buttons on the keyboard?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> What happened to ubuntu-calendar?
[11:18] <beligum> ok, thx
[11:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it stopped ages ago
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Yes I know that. is it ever intended to resume?
[11:19] <yuriy> oops. *stupid question* what's the password for the live-cd?
[11:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no
[11:19] <DaSkreech> damn :-(
[11:19] <Riddell> yuriy: there isn't one
[11:20] <DaSkreech> yuriy: There isn't one
[11:20] <DaSkreech> sudo passwd to setone
[11:20] <yuriy> that's what i thought, but it won't unlock the screen (good news is it did lock it when i told p-m to)
[11:21] <DaSkreech> are there any plans for a rekonstruktor?
[11:22] <Riddell> yuriy: ah yes, that's a bug, although I don't the best way to solve it
[11:22] <yuriy> Riddell: but logging in works... shouldn't it be the same?
[11:23] <Riddell> yuriy: how did you log in?
[11:23] <yuriy> in kdm, user name ubuntu, no password
[11:23] <yuriy> but that didn't work to unlock the screen
[11:24] <Riddell> clever kdm, guess kdesktop lock needs fixed to accept no password then
[11:25] <yuriy> bug #13497
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13497 in kdeartwork "Locked password on live CD interferes with screen lock" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/13497
[11:25] <yuriy> is kdeartwork correct??
[11:25] <Riddell> nope, kdebase
[11:26] <yuriy> it's fixed in ubuntu according to the bug btw
[11:29] <sebas> yuriy: Yes.
[11:30] <sebas> yuriy: You can try http://vizzzion.org/downloads/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060906-0ubuntu1_i386.deb first
[11:31] <yuriy> sebas: so the max setting will always be whatever the hardware is set to? so if you use fn to set it to something really dim, that will be the max in p-m and down from there?
[11:31] <yuriy> sebas: ^ thought you were saying yes to the last question
[11:31] <sebas> yes -> brightness should work independant from the buttons
[11:32] <sebas> max in p-m is the max hal reports
[11:32] <yuriy> sebas: seems a little unintuitive to me. is it possible to get them to work together, or why have the setting at all on laptops that can handle it themselves? (assuming there is a way to detect)
[11:33] <sebas> The setting is there so you can configure what brightness will be set if you unplug the button.
[11:35] <yuriy> sebas: oh nvm i thought my laptop was doing that on it's own as well but it's not (still getting familiar with it)
[11:35] <sebas> No problem.
[11:35] <sebas> What model is it?
[11:36] <yuriy> sebas: asus v6j
[11:36] <sebas> Ok.
[11:48] <Lure> sebas: This is not a laptop, quitting ... ;-)
[11:49] <sebas> OW, fuck.
[11:49] <sebas> I reverted the bool to test and committed it.
[11:49] <Lure> sebas: ;-)
[11:50] <sebas> svn up
[11:50] <gnomefreak> anyone know what kdes version of gdebiis called?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> gdebi*
[11:50] <Lure> sebas: NameError: global name 'parent' is not defined
[11:50] <sebas> Hmpf.
[11:51] <Lure> sebas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22776
[11:52] <sebas> Got it, svn up.
[11:53] <Lure> sebas: works - thanks
[11:53] <sebas> np
[11:53] <yuriy> *yawn* ubuquity crashed
[12:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[12:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: can you clarify "[16:22]  <Riddell> then in rules build-dep no sharutils and have   uudecode foo.diff.uu"
[12:03] <jdong_> gnomefreak: kde doesn't have a gdebi
[12:03] <jdong_> gnomefreak: I use gdebi inside kde when I get lazy
[12:05] <Lure> sebas: I have commited small fix (two notifications when on warning battery level)
[12:05] <imbrandon> jdong sure use deb:/ kio-slave
[12:05] <yuriy> so many "installer crashed" bugs...
[12:07] <gnomefreak> k ty jdong_  i thought i saw one once
[12:07] <sebas> Lure: This only removes the notification 15 minutes before battery is empty?
[12:08] <Lure> sebas: yes, because one more is 20 lines lower (after critical check)
[12:08] <sebas> Lure: Did you commit that aswell?
[12:08] <jdong_> imbrandon: it seems to just search packages.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <Lure> sebas: I have also found the typo that prevented your fix for flat battery to not work
[12:08] <sebas> Ah!
[12:09] <sebas> Yeah, same here.
[12:09] <jdong_> gnomefreak: there's the kubuntu package menu, which is nothing more than launching dpkg -i in a xterm
[12:09] <jdong_> gnomefreak: it doesn't do the dependency resolution that gdebi does
[12:09] <sebas> I only see the removal in the diff, btw.
[12:10] <sebas> Not the typo fix, not the notify elsewhere
[12:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: in debian/control add sharutils to the build-depends, and to get the patch back you have to run  uudecode foo.diff.uu in debian/rules
[12:10] <sebas> Ah, there's the typo
[12:12] <Lure> sebas: still not enough for my laptop - charge_level.current does not exist