[12:08] does that makes sense to you? [12:08] try changing the exec line to [12:08] exec >/tmp/rc2.log 2>&1 === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] does anyone know if port 1337 is used by anything ? [12:09] ogra: oh boy... why? [12:10] Keybuk: and then? start rc2? === genbie [n=hathal@host86-143-116-186.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] ogra, I don't think so [12:10] ogra: I've used it on occasion for the coolness factor... but nothing that I know actually uses it [12:10] for fun... i'm looking for a funny portnumber (only for internal usage) [12:10] Keybuk: same log [12:10] ogra: it is said to be bad luck to run your daemon on 1337 :) [12:10] well, its likely that many people will occasionally use it i guess [12:11] pfft, bad luck ... [12:11] seb128: ok [12:11] seb128: change the exec /etc/init.d/rc 2 to exec sh -x /etc/init.d/rc 2 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22680 [12:15] seb128: errrrrrr [12:15] could you ls /etc/rc2.d for me [12:16] $ ls /etc/rc2.d [12:16] README [12:16] LOL [12:16] *blink* [12:16] hum [12:16] heh [12:16] <_ion> :-) [12:16] I THINK WE MAY HAVE FOUND YOUR PROBLEM [12:16] <_ion> You think so? [12:17] something nuked /etc/rcn.d [12:17] whoa [12:17] lol [12:17] *great* [12:17] seb128: all of them? [12:17] quick! blame it on slomo's dbus upload! [12:17] rc0.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc1.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc2.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc3.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc4.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc5.d: [12:17] README [12:17] rc6.d: [12:17] oh boy [12:18] README [12:18] rcS.d is still populated [12:18] I see someone reaching for a install cd soon.... :) [12:18] no postinst/rm that I can find does that [12:18] <_ion> Does the README say "ha ha, got you"? [12:19] seb128: did you have initscripts uninstalled at any point? [12:19] seb128: if so, did you perchance purge it? [12:19] Kamion: why would initscripts uninstall everything? [12:19] even gdm [12:19] oh, true, it wouldn't nuke the lot ... [12:19] Kamion: I don't think so [12:19] /var/log/dpkg.log should tell you? [12:20] nothing today [12:21] eh, my primary disk is starting to die according to smartctl :/ [12:21] crap [12:21] zyg1: that's why you need RAID [12:22] a chance to frantically scramble to replace the disk [12:22] seb128: what have you installed since you last booted? [12:22] ajmitch: not untill ubuntu installer allows me to make one without thinking (for /) [12:22] tonight, libssl0.9.8 liboobs-1-1 powernowd [12:22] zyg1: worked ok for me with the alternate cd (separate /boot) [12:23] and I was upgrading gnome-system-tools [12:23] ajmitch: what I actually want is a flash disk of about 10GB that's comparable in price with 250GB of spinning metal [12:23] none of them looks like they are doing some weird thing [12:24] ajmitch: I will try though, I'm getting sick of failing disks, that's the third one this month [12:24] grmbl [12:24] are the keymaps settings in xorg broken currently ? [12:24] seb128: when did you install upstart? [12:25] zyg1: have you had any seagates fail on you yet? [12:25] zyg1: it's about the only brand that's been nice to me [12:25] Keybuk: after that my system had issues to reboot, I figured I might have been in a middle of an upstart upgrade because I didn't have ubuntu-minimal installed [12:25] so I would not blame it [12:25] no, I'm just trying to ascertain what you managed to uninstall by accident :p [12:25] pitti, are you able to use setxkbmap on an up to date edgy ? [12:26] jdong_: the one failing just now is a segate [12:26] I know I definitely didn't put any "if user == seb, delete all his rc symlinks" code in there [12:26] no kidding [12:26] i only get "couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property" [12:26] zyg1: wow... never mind then... I was gonna tell you to run away from maxtor.... ;) [12:26] (but not the README, which is quite special ... that takes extra-perverse coding) [12:27] jdong_: why is flash so mp3like and not server like, eh :/ [12:27] zyg1: because it's so expensive-like? :) [12:27] zyg1: and I honestly question if it's any more stable [12:27] zyg1: I've seen CF cards die on me before [12:28] jdong_: but if hard disks were shiny and came with earphones I'm sure people would buy them... oh wait! [12:28] we kind of abuse them on our robotics team... IO-intensive workloads off a sandisk 128MB CF card [12:28] jdong_: yeah but they don't fail being read (as my server actually does) [12:28] so flash isn't the answer :-/ [12:28] Keybuk: it's notably the only file in there (as opposed to a symlink) so not that perverse [12:28] is there a chance of seeing mozilla-thunderbird 2.0 to match ff in edgy? [12:29] I find it interesting that rcS.d was unaffected [12:29] heh, I heard a story today: one of our customers was apparently sent a development device that was .... continously updating the flash (for testing purposes) for the past ..... YEAR [12:29] elmo: I could understand rm /etc/rc[0-6.d/* [12:29] or even rm -rf /etc/rc[0-6] .d [12:29] but deliberately iterating symlinks and removing just those ... perverse [12:29] seb128: you have things in /etc/init.d still, yes [12:29] jdong_: IMHO flash is more reliable than spinning disk, especially for rare writes as in this case [12:29] and you didn't run any of the Debian "re-order my rc.d" crap? :p [12:30] Keybuk: lol [12:30] Keybuk: /etc/init.d looks complete [12:30] PIMP MY RC.D [12:30] <_ion> rm /etc/rc[0-6] .d/*(@) (zsh) [12:30] <_ion> :-) [12:30] Keybuk: ARG [12:30] Keybuk: thank you [12:30] seb128: ARG? :p [12:30] Keybuk: I tried the new services-admin from g-s-t update [12:30] I. See. [12:30] but didn't do anything with it [12:30] just opened and closed [12:30] seb128: that could've done it... [12:31] clearly it did things to you in revenge :p [12:31] :) [12:31] did you ship it in edgy? [12:31] ogra: yes, works fine [12:31] weird === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pascal80 [n=pascal@86-39-51-52.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ version controls his /etc [12:32] aww man [12:32] we can't blame this on Scott? [12:32] damn it [12:32] elmo: blame him anyway :D [12:32] I thought we were blaming slomo for everything this week? [12:32] elmo: dont get caught up in minor details on whether it's his fault or not. blame him anyway. [12:32] Keybuk: no, that was last week. [12:33] and the weeks suddenly started on wednesdays. [12:33] if upstart knew how to start the system without sysv scripts, seb128 would still be booting fine. Thus, scott is to blame. [12:33] done [12:33] <_ion> pitti just went offline, so why not simply blame him? [12:33] Keybuk: sorry for making you loose time on that, thank you for the help figuring we should really not ship that services-admin :p === gnomefreak havent gotten to slomo about it yet but he was right it wasnt dbus it was having more than 1 set of drivers :( [12:33] Keybuk: might as well, he broke f-spot for me with dbus :) [12:33] hmm, should I try services-admin for fun? === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ backs up his /etc twice [12:34] three times [12:34] and don't use sbackup :p [12:34] or whatever that thing was [12:35] its broken by upstart i heard :) [12:35] wies your system etc :P [12:35] <_ion> I started services-admin and quit it, rc*.d are fine. [12:35] *wipes [12:35] anyway [12:35] seeing as I'm not to blame [12:35] I'm going :) [12:35] byeeeee [12:36] likewise, it didnt nuke my rc*.d [12:38] great [12:38] that's services-admin to blame === seb128 is having a nice discussion with upstream [12:39] its probably a bit risky to ship such tools in edgy with upstart ... === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] well, not having a services-admin type of tool kind of sucks, too [12:40] has anyone managed to reproduce this? [12:40] right, but breaking your system because it cant cope with the new initsystem is more evil [12:41] true [12:41] jdong_: I've not uploaded the new version yet [12:41] hmm, do you guys think that this is a bug in python: "".split() != "".split(',') [12:41] seb128: ah, I see [12:41] and I'll not [12:42] weirdly the Kubuntu services program deals with upstart just fine [12:42] so should services-admin === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-253-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] ogra: what's the state of ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration? [12:45] it's the only Essential spec, and isn't done [12:46] Has any consideration (maybe a bit odd) been given to using the ideas pioneered by upstart for the desktop itself? [12:46] Kamion, right, working on it ... let me finish login and session handling === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] Maybe dbus covers it. But, imagine upstart starting per-user when you log in, and replacing gnome-session (or parts of it) [12:46] wasabi: huh? [12:46] argh, dbus [12:47] <_ion> wasabi: Well, upstart is going to support per-user services, but not in edgy. [12:47] Ahh. [12:47] <_ion> s/services/jobs/ [12:48] jsut cron-like stuff. [12:48] not attached to a particular X session [12:49] <_ion> Well, i don't see anything that prevents one from implementing something like that. It hasn't really been planned AFAIK. [12:49] Kamion, ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration will be basically done tomorrow evening ... its the last one i have left and i have the full day tomorrow for it ... [12:50] <_ion> But X session management seems to be a bit out of scope for upstart. [12:51] ogra: ok, please make sure that gets done; I am available for code review tomorrow, and indeed I'd like to see its state [12:51] ogra: since it's Started, how much of the code is in place? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB_ is now known as HrdwrBoB [12:56] Kamion, i have script pieces that determine a possible free NIC and echo an entry for it to /etc/network/interfaces ... the rest is debconf template and value stuff i'll have to write tomorrow i havent looked into it this week yet since i'm nearly done with the login/session spec and want to finish it first === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-dccc3e0609f0ace6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] ogra: ok, expect mdz to be asking about the status when he gets back tomorrow [12:57] just by way of incentive :) [12:57] i do :) [12:57] but i have the full day for it so i'm not really worried ... [12:58] I'm worried about everything that's not completed yet [12:58] and its really some trivial shell scripting only ... the bigger part for me is the debconf stuff ... i do this kind of things to rarely [12:58] Kamion, I think that is part of your job === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-7-16.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] ogra: hence my offer of code review, since I do debconf hacking all the time [01:02] i know [01:02] but i'm not on that part yet [01:03] i'll get up very early i hope i can show you something around noon ... === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-7-16.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:04] <- short break [01:05] ogra: thank you === kingdong [n=ragingwe@pool-71-114-90-14.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kingdong [n=ragingwe@pool-71-114-90-14.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:06] Mithrandir: should live-cd-write-as-you-go be deferred now? [01:07] Riddell: is kubuntu-accessibility just blocking on me doing the cdimage/gfxboot glue, or is there more to it? [01:08] Kamion: it's blocking on me sending the casper changes to Mithrandir, which I plan to do in an hour or so === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D3015.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D9854.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] mvo_: is cdrom-based-dist-upgrades "beta available" (or more) now? [01:11] Kamion: it is beta-available now, yes. I will update it === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-228.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] thanks [01:12] zul: what's the state of xen-edgy? [01:13] zul: you wrote in the status whiteboard "zulcss 2006-08-16: Testing has begun on x86 amd64 still blocked on the builds" but I don't understand what blockage exactly you mean [01:14] welshbyte, you need to talk to sivang about python-based backup software [01:15] Burgwork: yeah i'm planning to look into hubackup, it looks cool === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] welshbyte, given google has now funded 3 seperate backup projects, all written in python === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] Burgwork: yeah i guess it does duplicate work and spread the skill thin [01:22] welshbyte, you should talk with the author of system-config-backup (this years effort, being done by Fedora) === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] backpack was last years Fedora and sbackup was last years Ubuntu [01:23] Burgwork: yeah i took over last year's fedora one [01:23] not that i use fedora much... [01:23] I am forced to use it at work [01:25] my computer society uses it === j_ack__ [n=rudi@p508D8E09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] despite my best efforts to get them to switch the desktops to ubuntu === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] you need to provide them with something that is clearly better than Fedora [01:29] Burgwork, crack fedora boxes :P [01:30] well i'll keep pushing for it while i still hold sway on the exec committee === mvo_ goes to bed now === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng summons Keybuk === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyg1 [n=zyga@fdu90.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === TomB [n=tomb@ACBC90DF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@68-190-54-248.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ppp47-101.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACBC90DF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-08ba563737a26bc2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACBC90DF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-253-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] anyone know why a new debhelper would be breaking kernel compiles? === imbrandon [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: using obsolete debhelper compat mode 1 [02:46] Directory debian/tmp-headers does not exist, aborting [02:46] that's how things are all of the sudden failing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] Heya === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.161.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-dc21999d4b6f2d59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] Mithrandir: ok, I've got as far as getting "These keymaps appear to be indistinguishable" errors out of gen_keymap, so now it's just a matter of pruning keymaps from the tree until the result is sensible. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] You know what would be cool? [03:41] Human as a dynamic theme. Draw the buttons using a little random data to introduce slight, organic-looking variation. :) [03:42] (I have been waiting for this since the slashdot on wobbly windows and other such experimental cruft, but no dice) === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5D6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host82-12.pool8717.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable069.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] does Ctrl-Shift+[Unicode] has been removed from GNOME? 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[05:42] Sure, it doesn't pay the rent, but boy do I feel good about myself. [05:42] Also, I'm so very, very hungry. === jcsmith is now known as _jcsmith [05:43] programs that display the GPL when you install them and force you to "agree" are really dumb [05:43] Very, very dumb, since it's not an EULA, it's a distribution license. [05:43] I've noticed a lot of those on OS X apps [05:44] Windows stuff, too. [05:44] People who write free software for proprietary operating systems don't seem to "get" the license. === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.42] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:44] EULAs are really suspicious to me [05:44] To be fair, people who write free software for Linux/BSD probably don't "get it" a lot of the time too, but we have enough people willing to hunt them down and explain it to them. [05:45] if someone has sold you the software on the CD then you own that CD [05:45] you own a copy of their work. period. [05:45] No. [05:45] you can do with it as you like as long as you don't violate their copyright [05:45] Said copy of their work is /licensed/ to you. [05:45] Not owned by you. [05:45] (or any other applicable laws) [05:45] Fujitsu_; that's BS. [05:45] That's what the licenses say. [05:45] they might want you to think that [05:45] but it's BS [05:46] that's like somone adding a note to the back of a cd saying "the music on this cd is licensed to you. the license says we can take the cd away whenever we want." [05:46] it's clearly batty [05:48] That's life. [05:49] yes. companies thinking that they have rights which they actually don't is life indeed === jcsmith [n=jcsmith@24-50-249-104.pittpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.238.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_away [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] mjg59: Adding "nvidia" to MODULES in /etc/default/acpi-support seems to make hibernate work on my HP in edgy, thought you might like to know. === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.194.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf-edgy [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=Joel@pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-239-3.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.14.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1FEA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] good morning === jlj [n=agp@adsl-69-104-141-185.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@203.Red-81-35-100.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joshmoore [n=josh@p213.54.169.217.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf-edgy [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger sighs. Somehow this upstart thing managed to sneak into my system again during the last upgrade I did. [08:58] hunger: it is now installed by default [08:59] Burgundavia: I noticed:-( [08:59] Burgundavia: Does it actually work for somebody? [08:59] yep [08:59] you must jsut have interesting software [09:00] Burgundavia: It does not bring up the consoles to log in which is pretty annoying. [09:01] Burgundavia: That it fails to mount up encrypted devices is much more annoying though. [09:01] file bugs [09:01] Burgundavia: I did. [09:01] it is early days yet === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] Burgundavia: The first version I tested worked better than the 0.2.x :-| [09:03] I am most definitely not hte person to talk to about that [09:03] Burgundavia: You are right, I'll stop bitching. [09:04] Good morning [09:04] heya pitti! [09:04] Burgundavia: Sorry. === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A914FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] pitti: Hi. [09:04] hunger: this is edgy. [09:05] hunger: no worries [09:05] hunger: we have to do *something* edgy. [09:05] I also understand that Keybuk accepts patches [09:05] jdub: we should have done smart [09:05] jdub: Yeap. Do it! [09:05] and why does Mark have gustavo squirrlled away right a freaking management client? [09:05] jdub: But of course you are evil if you do something that breaks my system:-) === pitti hugs dholbach and hunger === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] Burgundavia: ah! you volunteer to port all the stuff to smart and hack apt features into it! :) [09:08] dholbach: no, but isn't that what mark is paying all those smart dpkg people todo?;) [09:08] Burgundavia: you know, that whole "making money to ensure that canonical can continue with this whole ubuntu racket" [09:08] yes, but anybody can write a freaking managment server. AFter all, the clowns at my company did it [09:09] Burgundavia: what do the dpkg people have to do with smart? [09:09] they write package management software === joshmoore [n=josh@p213.54.169.217.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [09:10] hi pitti [09:10] hey Hobbsee [09:10] pitti: my laptop is dying :( i'm not happy [09:11] Burgundavia: who is the best person to put on a money earning project - "just anybody" or "fucking brilliant"? [09:12] fucking awesome [09:13] lifeless: THAT WAS NOT IN THE LIST [09:13] jdub: I'm a radical man [09:13] lifeless: THINK INSIDE THE BOXES I GIVE TO YOU === lifeless breaks [09:14] She canna take it captain! === Tonio_ [n=tonio@74.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-19-213.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-62-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [i=ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-7-16.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf-edgy [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@160.227-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-196-68.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] hey [10:01] hello === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:08] elmo: ping === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [i=ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6785A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] Kamion: you owe me some .po files for debian-installer ;-) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-84-9-35-244.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] carlos: did you do the dapper import? [10:40] IIRC I was leaving the files there for you deliberately [10:40] Kamion: no, are the files in place? [10:40] carlos: yes, they were last time we talked as well [10:40] sorry, I thought you were going to ping me... [10:40] ok [10:40] let me do it [10:40] carlos: ok, I've archived them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po-dapper/ [10:41] please use that, and I'll point /installer-po/ at edgy [10:41] ok [10:41] thanks [10:43] hmm, is there a way to excude my package from a dbgsym build ? [10:43] i surely dont need that for ltsp [10:43] ogra: yes, there is [10:43] pitti, how ? [10:43] ogra: NO_PKG_MANGLE=1 [10:44] in rules ? [10:44] ogra: does it hurt to built with debug symbols? [10:44] well, its wasted energy [10:44] ogra: yes, in debian/rules [10:44] ogra: pah, the buildds can cope :) [10:44] i dont have anythin in it that could have debug symbols [10:45] ogra: oh, if there are no ELF files at all, then there won't be dbgsym packages anyway [10:45] (its only a bunch of scripts) [10:45] if there are, that's a bug I need to fix [10:45] i just saw the attempt in the log [10:45] dpkg-deb: building package `ltsp-client-dbgsym' in `../ltsp-client-dbgsym_0.99_amd64.ddeb'. [10:45] oh [10:46] ah [10:46] there is this 10 line c proggy that maps printers to port 9200 mdz imported from ltsp.org [10:46] so there is an ELF file :) [10:46] ogra: getltscfg and lp_server perhaps/ [10:46] ? [10:46] ah [10:46] i'll add the rules option [10:47] as you wish === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] "Elmo loves wasabi. That's why Elmo has no eyelids." === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] is there something wrong with the i386 buildd ? [10:53] i wonder why my ltsp package from 7h ago is still pending [10:53] infinity ^^^ ? === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] ogra, KDE stuff is taking its time. [10:56] I've got 3 builds waiting, about to be 4. [10:56] well ... [10:57] It's off KDE stuff now, but it'll take a while to get rid of the backlog. [10:57] yeah [10:57] 7h is quite some delay [10:57] It is. [10:59] We need a seperate lot of buildds for KDE! They block everything else by many hours... [10:59] heh [11:01] ogra: Before KDE, both i386 buildds were stuck on OpenOffice builds for more than 10 hours. Blame doko. [11:02] infinity, thanks ... i would have blamed him anyway for fun ... :) === ogra blames doko [11:02] Why's i386 always doing so much? [11:02] Fujitsu: it additionally has to build all the arch:all packages [11:02] because it builds all these arch all packages probably ... [11:02] Ah. [11:02] That's very silly. [11:02] Has somebody considered fixing that behaviour? [11:03] Fujitsu: Two reasons. 1) i386 builds the "arch:all" packages. This isn't normally a big deal, except for openoffice.org-l10n, and 2) More stuff builds successfully on i386 than anywhere else. [11:03] we could also drop all arch:all packages :P [11:03] True, infinity. [11:03] infinity: 1) langpacks :) [11:03] infinity: just the dapper builds, the edgy builds are coming ... [11:03] pitti: langpacks aren't a big deal, since they're individually quite small, so they don't cause the 10+ hour delay that ooo-l10n does. [11:04] as long as you let some packages through inbetween thats fine doko [11:04] the buildd's are idling around now ... [11:04] yay, it built ... [11:05] doko: i386 isn't. It's still catching up. :) [11:05] ohh [11:06] Anyhow, this will sort of resolve itself if and when -security builds move to soyuz, since we'll have 3 buildds of each arch again, and we rarely have a 3-package blockage. [11:06] Well, except on doko's uploading day. But still. [11:06] morning [11:06] Ah, I thought there were 3 each at some point... === Kamion sighs at the slowness of keymapper, and adds an interactive mode === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@160.227-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-7-16.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] Oh great. vernadsky's back onto kdeutils... [11:18] And rothera's still on kdemultimedia... KDE is TOO big! [11:19] seb128, would you mind to take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/scp-integration.patch ? its written by cbx33 and afaik ok with vuntz to add to our package [11:20] (its for pessulus) === jono__ [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] ogra: yeah, cbx33 already talked with me about it yesterday evening [11:20] ah, k [11:20] ogra: I'll do that when I'm done with GNOME 2.16.0, the g-s-t update with some patches and the a11y patches I said I would look at next [11:21] ogra: ie: probably this afternoon [11:21] i'm just trying to sort his packages === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] seb128, ogra: fwiw, I didn't review the patch, but what cbx33 told me looked reasonable [11:28] pitti: btw, I removed the .pot exports from language packs [11:28] vuntz: ok, thank you [11:28] carlos: ok; I don't need them any more [11:28] vuntz: don't forget about the SoC review for peter [11:28] pitti: I think you told me that you don't need them anymore now that we only use Rosetta for language packs [11:28] ok [11:28] seb128: I'm not forgetting it :-) [11:29] wasnt the deadline yesterday ? [11:29] vuntz: gut ;) [11:29] ogra: no, tomorrow [11:29] oh [11:29] damned and i already reviewed him ... [11:29] now he will slack the last two days ... [11:29] :) [11:30] ogra, I also thought it was yesterday :P === ogra gets more coffee ... [11:32] "September 8, 2006: [11:32] - All mentor and student evaluations due by 08:00 Pacific Daylight Time" [11:32] according to http://code.google.com/soc/mentorfaq.html#timeline [11:37] Mithrandir: around? [11:38] Mithrandir: have you planned to look at xkeyboard-config from Debian? [11:39] Mithrandir: Denis Barbier did almost 10 uploads in a month, probably a bunch of good changes that could be useful to have [11:39] seb128: hiya. [11:39] seb128: I keep meaning to merge stuff from there, yes. ENOTIME so far.. [11:39] k [11:39] just pointing it in case you didn't notice [11:39] seb128: but yeah, I should probably look at their changes and merge in some of it. [11:39] cool, thank you [11:43] doko: hi, should all python packages have an __init__.py? It's not clear to me when reading the policy. The package I am making is a single importable .so w/o .py files upstream, is it worth using python-central? === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-253-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] janimo: no, it's not required, but the extension should be built for all supported python versions. === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] ping seb128 [11:45] cbx33: pong [11:46]