[12:11] <Surak> :-)
[12:16] <imbrandon> .oO ( twidles a word? )
[12:16] <trappist> imbrandon: twiddles
[12:17] <Seveas> which side?
[12:17] <KurtKraut> LaserJock, are you making a clean install or upgrading from Dapper ?
[12:17] <LaserJock> KurtKraut: clean
[12:17] <LaserJock> Seveas: that would be about 4 ft to my left side :-)
[12:17] <KurtKraut> LaserJock, oh ok... I'm trying to upgrade from Dapper and I'm facing several bugs.
[12:17] <ompaul> bddebian, your nose is a team player?
[12:17] <ompaul> bddebian, which sport?
[12:18] <bddebian> doh
[12:18] <kwwii> hi
[12:18] <pygi> hey kwwii 
[12:18] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[12:19] <ogra> hi kwwii 
[12:19] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[12:19] <Kamion> we should probably get started even though mako's not around
[12:19] <Kamion> (properly)
[12:20] <Kamion> I don't know about anyone else but it's pretty late here and I'm already tired
[12:20] <Seveas> +1
[12:20] <Kamion> so the first item on the agenda is:
[12:20] <Kamion> Continuing the IRC network discussion
[12:20] <Kamion> can I go and hide now?
[12:20] <Seveas> that's still waiting on a sabdfl-aware meeting
[12:20] <Kamion> all right then
[12:20] <Hobbsee> surely that's not being discussed again :P
[12:20] <Kamion> #
[12:20] <Kamion> Call for nominations for the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader". We would like to call for folks to volunteer to be considered as the coordinator of Ubuntu translation efforts using Rosetta. This person would keep in touch with translation teams, coordinate with Jordi and Carlos w.r.t. Rosetta developments, and coordinate with Martin and Doko w.r.t. language pack development.
[12:20] <Kamion>     *
[12:20] <Kamion>       For next meeting danilos, OgMaciel and carlos will be providing a more complete 'Job Description'
[12:21] <Kamion>     *
[12:21] <Kamion>       I'd like to apply for this position. OgMaciel
[12:21] <Kamion> OgMaciel: here?
[12:21] <OgMaciel> Kamion, yup
[12:21] <Kamion> I'm pinging Jordi and danilos on the off-chance that they might be around this late
[12:21] <Kamion> since they haven't provided the promised job description yet
[12:21] <OgMaciel> Kamion, I sure hope so
[12:21] <Seveas> I pinged jordi a few minutes ago, no response
[12:22] <Seveas> dailos is danil[out] 
[12:22] <OgMaciel> Kamion, they've emailed the CC a document
[12:22] <OgMaciel> Kamion, the document contains all the details
[12:22] <elmo> no they haven't
[12:22] <elmo> oh, carlos has
[12:22] <OgMaciel> elmo, I was cced on this
[12:22] <OgMaciel> yup
[12:23] <Kamion> ah yes, found it
[12:23] <OgMaciel> ;)
[12:23] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/ubuntu-l10n-coordinator.txt for reference
[12:24] <Surak> Kamion: 403
[12:24] <Kamion> it should go somewhere more permanennt
[12:24] <Kamion> Surak: fixed, thanks
[12:24] <Ubuntuser> done
[12:25] <elmo> do we have any other volunteers/nominations yet?
[12:26] <pygi> EdgyEft, how can one found out what positions exist/are open? I remember reading it somewhere before :P
[12:26] <pygi> elmo*
[12:26] <elmo> ehm
[12:26] <elmo> that's kind of a good point -has  this job description been mailed anywhere?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i thought it was on ubuntu.com somewhere pygi 
[12:27] <Seveas> elmo, not that I know of
[12:27] <bddebian> I have GOT to get home...
[12:27] <Kamion> if you guys are thinking of http://www.ubuntu.com/employment, it's not there (and shouldn't be, it's not a paid position) - I don't know of any other list of "open positions"
[12:27] <mako> back all
[12:27] <Seveas> it might be a good idea to post it on -users and/or an announce mailing list
[12:27] <Seveas> wb mako
[12:28] <pygi> Kamion, I thought it was somewhere under special part of ubuntu
[12:28] <pygi> ubuntu.com
[12:28] <bddebian> Kamion, elmo, mako: Apologies for butting in but i have to leave.  Please give +1 to welshbyte, Fujitsu, and trappist for me.
[12:28] <Kamion> pygi: feel free to find it
[12:28] <Surak> Kamion: are those paid positions subject to scrutinity in a CC Meeting?
[12:28] <jono> Kamion, I think a list of open positions would be a good idea :)
[12:28] <pygi> Kamion, well, I don't think it is there anymore :)
[12:28] <trappist> bddebian: thanks
[12:29] <elmo> Surak: no
[12:29] <elmo> Surak: Ubuntu isn't paying them
[12:29] <jono> I will add it to my list :P
[12:29] <mako> Surak: just can pay anyone to work on any part of ubuntu you'd like
[12:29] <mako> Surak: so can mark
 then the jobs should probably on canonical.com instead of ubuntu.com </pedantic>
[12:29] <jono> Surak, canonical pays those positions
[12:29] <mako> Seveas: they really should
[12:30] <elmo> ok, so before we go any further with this translator thing, can we get the call and description mailed somewhere, and maybe put on the website 
[12:30] <mako> or at least presented in a way that makes it clear that those are canonical jobs related to ubuntu and other people should be able to advertise jobs there
[12:30] <Seveas> elmo, ok, I'll mail it to -users and prod mdke for website
[12:30] <imbrandon> mako, +1
[12:30] <elmo> Seveas: which -users?
[12:31] <elmo> there's a rosetta-users or launchpad-users or something
[12:31] <Kamion> why -users?
[12:31] <Kamion> surely ubuntu-translators is the right list
[12:31] <Seveas> launchpad-users I meant
[12:31] <Seveas> ubuntu-translators is fairly dead
[12:31] <Kamion> ubuntu-translators, cc to rosetta-users, perhaps
[12:31] <Seveas> ack
[12:31] <Kamion> Seveas: the mailing list archives show active debates
[12:31] <Seveas> hmm
[12:31] <Kamion> I mean not *lots*, but more than dead
[12:32] <jenda> fairly dead doesn't mean no one reads them
[12:33] <Seveas> anyway, sending it to those lists sounds like a much better idea than mine so I'll do that
[12:34] <elmo> ok - so let's revisit that next meeting then after we've had a chance to actually get some nominations/volunteers :)
[12:34] <elmo> what's next?
[12:34] <elmo> any locoteam folks here?
[12:34] <Kamion> phone
[12:34] <mako> right
[12:35] <mako> any local communities who are on the list AND present should speak up to introduce themselves
[12:35] <Seveas> should we at some point prune old loco/member items from the agenda? 
[12:35] <Seveas> as you can see, a few are on the agnda for months now
[12:35] <mako> yes
[12:36] <mako> that's probably a good idea
[12:36] <mako> alright then
[12:36] <jono> by the way, I am going to be working on LoCo teams
[12:36] <elmo> Seveas: could you mail the older ones explaining why and then prune them?
[12:36] <Seveas> elmo, ack
[12:36] <elmo> Seveas: (nicely ;-)
[12:36] <mako> jono: be careful how much you take on right away :)
[12:36] <jono> I am hoping to clear up LoCo teams a bit
[12:36] <elmo> Seveas: cool, thanks
[12:36] <jono> mako, heh, step by step :)
[12:36] <elmo> ok, so new member applicants
[12:36] <mako> jono: i've had much of your job before, i know this :)
[12:36] <jono> Seveas, :)
[12:37] <elmo> first of all, sound off if you're a new member applicant and here
[12:37] <trappist> here
[12:37] <Seveas> CypherBIOS seems to be the first on the list who is here
[12:37] <EtienneG> here
[12:37] <gnomefreak> nixternal: wasnt that oked?
[12:37] <jono> here
[12:37] <welshbyte> here
[12:37] <CypherBIOS> I am,
[12:37] <CypherBIOS> here
[12:37] <Seveas> I'll try and poke ones that are unfindable atm
[12:37] <ompaul> Seveas, flannel is mia
[12:37] <mako> best to at least mention their names here
[12:37] <mako> RolandoBlanco whitesoft, no here?
[12:37] <Seveas> no
[12:38] <mako> Kirjanov Denis kirjanov, not here?
[12:38] <mako> NealBussett Flannel, we've just heard is not here
[12:38] <mako> Ahmad Muammar y3dips, not here?
[12:38] <mako> Rafael Proena CypherBIOS: you're up
[12:38] <Seveas> -SeenServ- I haven't seen y3dips recently
[12:38] <Seveas> same for kirjanov
[12:39] <mako> CypherBIOS: have your introduction ready?
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> mako: yep
[12:39] <mako> if others in line do not yet have a short intro typed up for pasting, please get that ready
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> My name is Rafael Proena, aka CypherBIOS.
[12:39] <mako> we'll go in order but people may not be here so you may up sooner than you think
[12:39] <mako> CypherBIOS: please, go ahead
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> mako: tnx
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> First, here is the links for my WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CypherBios
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> and in the launchpad https://launchpad.net/people/cypherbios
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> There is complete explanation about me, my work and contributions on the web, but here goes a summary:
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> (to economize space, see all links that I mention in my WikiPage)
[12:39] <CypherBIOS> I'm working with/to/in Ubuntu since Warty, using the Hoary beta.
[12:40] <CypherBIOS> My principal contribuition with Ubuntu is in the Brazilian Community, where I've created, with the help of some amazing people, the Ubuntu Brazilian Documentation Team that now is one of the major teams and force within the Brazilian Community.  I'm also the organizer and mantainner of the structure of Wiki Ubuntu Brazil.
[12:40] <CypherBIOS> Organizer and mantainner of the structure of Wiki Ubuntu Brazil. I got the power to move/remove the pages ;)
[12:40] <CypherBIOS> I am a Planet Ubuntu Brazil autor, where I post some articles and news about Ubuntu to keep the community up-to-date.
[12:40] <CypherBIOS> I've helped vdepizzol and others to organize and migrate the www.UbuntuBrasil.org interface and estructure. Making the usability work together with praticity :)
[12:40] <CypherBIOS> I'm developing a GUI-based tool called APTonCD, this is developed in Python and GTK for Ubuntu. To know more about the project, see http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net
[12:41] <OgMaciel> cyphase, don't forget about APTonCD <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/APTonCD>
[12:41] <CypherBIOS> basic... is it ;) sorry for the flood
[12:41] <OgMaciel> CypherBIOS, , don't forget about APTonCD <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/APTonCD>
[12:41] <CypherBIOS> OgMaciel: tanks
[12:41] <elmo> CypherBIOS: ehm, you wrote your own planet rather than use the existing one?
[12:41] <CypherBIOS> elmo: no, use thee existing
[12:41] <OgMaciel> elmo, that was actually done by Meyer
[12:42] <elmo> I'm confused.  is it the same source code as the planet used on planet.ubuntu.com?  i.e. the one written by Scott + Jdub
[12:42] <Kamion> ok, sorry, back; was catching up with mdz-land
[12:42] <Seveas> no, -br uses a php based planet
[12:42] <elmo> if it is - what do you meant by author.  if it's not - why?
[12:42] <OgMaciel> elmo, no... it is written from scratch by Meyer
[12:42] <elmo> boggle
[12:42] <elmo> ok
[12:42] <OgMaciel> elmo, he is syndicated
[12:42] <OgMaciel> :)
[12:43] <Ubuntuser> elmo, called Phplanet.. 
[12:43] <elmo> oh, what a confusing use of the word "author"
[12:43] <elmo> anyway, I get it now, don't mind me
[12:43] <OgMaciel> :)
[12:43] <CypherBIOS> elmo: sorry ;)
[12:43] <Seveas> OgMaciel, (or any other -br member) -- we need some testimonials
[12:43] <OgMaciel> Seveas, mine is at his wiki page
[12:44] <OgMaciel> Seveas, he has my 100% support
[12:44] <Seveas> ah, didn't finish the entire page yet
[12:44] <elmo> CypherBIOS: you might want to change "Author of Ubuntu Brazilian's blog agregator." on your wiki page to "Author on" to make it less confusing
[12:44] <Seveas> well done, collecting testimonials there
[12:44] <Surak> Ubuntu Documentation Team is going really fine.
[12:44] <Ubuntuser> Seveas, i cannot put my testimonial.. but CypherBIOS have my 100% too
[12:44] <CypherBIOS> Seveas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CypherBios
[12:44] <OgMaciel> CypherBIOS, has brought in a great group of individuals and created a great infra-structure of documentation
[12:44] <CypherBIOS> elmo: I'll
[12:45] <Surak> Seveas: same as ubuntuser. I support CypherBIOS fully.
[12:45] <CypherBIOS> Ubuntuser, OgMaciel, Surak: tanks
[12:46] <AndreNoel> cypher is doind a great great great work with doc
[12:46] <josevitor> idem
[12:46] <elmo> hmm, rosetta got a lot more shiny
[12:46] <Surak> Documentation team seems today one of the most active parts of the Brazilian LocoTeam work.
[12:47] <Seveas> OgMaciel, at the risk of going offtopic -- I've been implementing a similar thing recently -- if interested, let's talk after the meeting
[12:47] <AndreNoel> i think that brazilian doc team needs CypherBIOS 
[12:47] <OgMaciel> Seveas, great... we have a good team behind it too
[12:47] <LinuxBA> here
[12:47] <CypherBIOS> Seveas: I interested, I will
[12:47] <mako> this all looks great
[12:47] <mako> i'm happy with membership
[12:48] <Seveas> couldn't agree more
[12:48] <OgMaciel> josevitor has asked to me to state on his behalf that he supports CypherBIOS 
[12:48] <CypherBIOS> mako: tanks
[12:49] <elmo> yeah, ack from me too
[12:49] <OgMaciel> CypherBIOS, congrats buddy!
[12:49] <Seveas> OgMaciel, not yet ;)
[12:49] <jono> :)
[12:49] <LinuxBA> CypherBIOS, congrats
[12:49] <Ubuntuser> CypherBIOS, parabns em bom portugus! :)
[12:49] <OgMaciel> Seveas, ooops
[12:49] <AndreNoel> hehe
[12:49] <OgMaciel> Seveas, slippery finger
[12:49] <Surak> Easy people ;-)
[12:49] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[12:49] <Seveas> Kamion, still has to give his ok
[12:50] <CypherBIOS> Seveas, mako, elmo, Kamion: so, I'm aboard?
[12:50] <Kamion> sorry, conversations with mdz tend to require a fair bit of follow-up - yes, ack for CypherBIOS
[12:50] <AndreNoel> congrats CypherBIOS!!
[12:50] <Seveas> CypherBIOS, NOW you are ;)
[12:50] <OgMaciel> CypherBIOS, NOW congrats buddy!
[12:50] <mako> alright
[12:50] <Surak> Now congrats!
[12:50] <CypherBIOS> Kamion: tanks ;)
[12:50] <OgMaciel> :)
[12:50] <Seveas> congratulations!
[12:50] <jono> CypherBIOS, congrats! :)
[12:50] <AndreNoel> Yo!
[12:50] <Ubuntuser> :)
[12:50] <CypherBIOS> Seveas: ;)
[12:50] <mako> Brendon Toogood Brendon8
[12:50] <mako> around around?
[12:50] <Surak> Parabns rapaz!
[12:51] <CypherBIOS> Tanks for all ;D
[12:51] <josevitor> yeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh!
[12:51] <AndreNoel> Yip Yip Hurra!
[12:51] <Seveas> brendon8 is MIA
[12:51] <CypherBIOS> Surak: valeu!
[12:51] <LinuxBA> uahuahauhauhauhauha
[12:51] <mako> Rocco Stanzione trappist: you're up
[12:51] <Ubuntuser> Yip Yip hurra.. is good!
[12:51] <josevitor> Viva viva viva!
[12:51] <trappist> hi
[12:51] <Ubuntuser> hehe
[12:51] <josevitor> Bravo!!
[12:51] <guilhermee> CypherBIOS, good job :)
[12:51] <mako> calm down guys ;)
[12:51] <Seveas> -br folks: please calm down
[12:51] <trappist> so, paste an intro?
[12:51] <mako> trappist: please,
[12:51] <guilhermee> Seveas, sorry :P
[12:51] <trappist> Hi I'm Rocco Stanzione.  I started out on redhat 6 in 1999, moved to mandrake a couple of years later.
[12:51] <trappist> I was active in Mandrake, a member of the "club" and of the security team.  I switched to Debian about
[12:51] <Ubuntuser> Seveas, one more to family
[12:51] <trappist> 2 years ago for political and professional reasons and liked it a lot.  I tried Ubuntu just after
[12:51] <trappist> breezy was released and decided, hopefully for the last time, that this was the distro for me.  Since
[12:52] <trappist> then I've been active in the community on as many fronts as I'm capable of contributing to, and maybe
[12:52] <trappist> 1 or 2 more ;)  I'm on the doc team where I made decent contributions to the serverguide and have
[12:52] <trappist> proofread extensively, and I'm in the process of writing a securityguide.  I peruse bugs often, and
[12:52] <trappist> try to fix any that I can.  I have a partial list of bugs to which I've uploaded patches, if you like.
[12:52] <trappist> I also report bugs, help out on #ubuntu and #kubuntu, and make occasional contributions to the wiki.
[12:52] <trappist> I'm the author of ipkungfu, the new version of which I'm working on getting packaged, and I run
[12:52] <trappist> #iptables on freenode.  In real life I currently work for an airline consultancy, running the network
[12:52] <trappist> and helping to write applications for airlines to manage their maintenance programs, FAA compliance
[12:52] <trappist> documentation, etc.  I have a wife and a daughter, both of whom are surprisingly supportive of the
[12:52] <trappist> time I spend working on geek stuff like ubuntu.
[12:53] <Lure> yep, trappist does a great job on bugs
[12:53] <gnomefreak> trappist: has been helping out in kubutnu more and more and he just like 3 minutes ago helped someone in -bugs :)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> +1 for trappist 
[12:54] <ompaul> +1 trappist for general support I have seen him do
[12:54] <LaserJock> trappist helped out quite a bit with the Dapper documentation doing proofreading and making sure we had a consistent style
[12:54] <imbrandon> +1 from trapist from me too
[12:54] <imbrandon> s/from/for
[12:55] <Riddell> trappist has been known to fill my inbox with kubuntu related bug triage, which I'm all for
[12:55] <Kamion> that's a lot of bug karma
[12:55] <Hobbsee> quick!  lets spam Riddell's inbox some more!
[12:55] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:55] <jono> Hobbsee, woo!
[12:55] <trappist> Riddell: I wouldn't have thought you'd notice :)
[12:55] <Seveas> Kamion, bug karma increases quickly since recently
[12:56] <Seveas> mine has had a few 100k more than just a few weeks ago
[12:56] <gnomefreak> my understanding its gonna be changing alot
[12:56] <trappist> is it also gonna be documented a lot? I have no idea how it works
[12:56] <imbrandon> yea i went from 15k to 190k in like 2 weeks reciently
[12:56] <Seveas> not saying that trappist isn't doing a great job, because he really is doing a great job
[12:56] <Surak> Mine has multilplied by 3 some time ago.
[12:57] <CypherBIOS> Surak: mine too ;)
[12:57] <mako> trappist: i like the public key on your wiki page
[12:58] <gnomefreak> trappist: what names are LP and wiki under?
[12:58] <trappist> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/people/trappist and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoccoStanzione
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ty had them backwards :(
[12:59] <Seveas> (gnomefreak: links are on the CC agenda page)
[12:59] <elmo> ack from me for trappist 
[01:00] <Seveas> \o/
[01:00] <trappist> that was a +3 from Seveas I think
[01:00] <imbrandon> lol
[01:00] <jenda> ...but he doesn't count.
[01:00] <Seveas> trappist, only CC members can +1/-1 people
[01:01] <trappist> Seveas: oh, I thought you were :)
[01:01] <nixternal> trappist: i swore you were a member already ;)   we need trappist, he is hookin' up the docs!!
[01:01] <Seveas> I'm not -- The CC members are mako, Kamion, elmo and sabdfl
[01:01] <Kamion> yup, +1 on trappist from me as well
[01:03] <Seveas> trappist, you might need to bribe mako ;)
[01:03] <trappist> I'm not above it
[01:03] <ompaul> trappist, the rest are people saying your not a bad person or words to that effect
[01:04] <trappist> ompaul: gotcha.  they're much appreciated :)
[01:04] <Surak> mako hitchcock :-)
[01:04] <Ubuntuser> :)
[01:04] <trappist> m/sg mako let's work out a deal
[01:04] <welshbyte> the suspense... :)
[01:05] <Spl4y> *fear*
[01:05] <Ubuntuser> Mako Sthephen King
[01:05] <Ubuntuser> hehehe
[01:05] <OgMaciel> :P
[01:05] <trappist> I think I'm gonna hurl
[01:05] <Surak> welshbyte: hold your heart to your own time :-)
[01:05] <mako> yes, sounds fine :)
[01:05] <mako> sorry about that
[01:05] <Seveas> trappist, welcome aboard!
[01:05] <mako> i am trying to juggle a GPLv3 meeting that is going on concurrently
[01:05] <Ubuntuser> \o/
[01:05] <trappist> woohoo!  thanks everybody!
[01:06] <Fujitsu_> Ouch, mako.
[01:06] <Surak> Congrats Rocco!
[01:06] <trappist> Surak: thanks
[01:06] <mako> i'm mostly just watching over there but but they just asked my opinion about something :)
[01:06] <Seveas> heh
[01:06] <LinuxBA> trappist, Congrats
[01:06] <nixternal> congratulations trappist!!!   lets go do some KUbuntu docs now...we only have 9 more days until our freeze ;)
[01:06] <mako> Andy Price welshbyte
[01:06] <Spl4y> trappist, congrats :)
[01:06] <Ubuntuser> Congratulations trappist 
[01:06] <mako> welshbyte: you around?
[01:06] <welshbyte> ok here goes :)
[01:06] <jenda> congratulations ;)
[01:06] <trappist> much thanks everybody
[01:06] <welshbyte> My name is Andy Price [wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndyPrice , LP: https://launchpad.net/people/andy-price ]  I'm 23 (24 in a couple of days) and I'm going into the second year of a Computer Science degree course at Swansea University.
[01:07] <gnomefreak> congrats trappist 
[01:07] <welshbyte> I've been using GNU/Linux systems for about 4 years. I worked my way through a handful of distros including Mandriva and Fedora before finally settling on Ubuntu around the time of Hoary. Now even my Mother uses Ubuntu, which has given me great insight into usability issues from a non-technical perspective.
[01:07] <welshbyte> Last year I was president of Swansea University Computer Society (of Alan Cox fame) and this year I'm its treasurer. Along with that, I've also been a systems admin for the society - we run web/email/ftp/etc services from a small room on campus. We have about 150 members and we always keep a stock of Ubuntu CDs in our computer room to offer to members.
[01:07] <welshbyte> I am the maintainer of a python/glade easy-backup application called pybackpack which I resurrected from a 2005 Google Summer of Code project which was pronounced "dead". It needs a lot of cleaning up but it has good potential.
[01:07] <welshbyte> I filed my first Ubuntu bug last October and started irregular sessions of bug triage shortly after that, hanging out on #ubuntu-bugs and lurking on other Ubuntu channels out of interest. A couple of months ago I taught myself how to package debs and about a month ago I started participating in #ubuntu-motu along with #ubuntu-bugs and with more regularity than before. Since then I have been triaging bugs and taking 
[01:07] <welshbyte> an interest in MOTU activities.
[01:07] <welshbyte> My recent contributions have mostly been helping out the MOTUs with packaging, merging, syncing and little jobs like writing a missing man page. I've also been helping bddebian look into some troublesome issues like maxima's GCL bugs and the Eclipse libraries problem. I now regularly read 10 ubuntu-related mailing lists and I'm starting to get a good feel for how the whole development system works. Details of my pac
[01:07] <welshbyte> kaging contributions are listed on my wiki page.
[01:08] <Seveas> any MOTU around for cheerleading?
[01:08] <welshbyte> Along with merging/packaging/fixing for Universe I'm also happy to give other users in #ubuntu-motu some help with their own packaging and programming questions. I've found that the people that hang out in #ubuntu-motu, #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-bugs are hugely helpful and friendly and I enjoy being part of that community. I've also been known to lurk in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-uk although I'm more interested in the d
[01:08] <welshbyte> evelopment-related channels.
[01:08] <crimsun> I'll add because I have to return to a meeting that both welshbyte and Fujitsu_ make bug triaging and universe merges much more tolerable. They learn quickly and play well with the rest of the teams.
[01:08] <Seveas> imbrandon had to leave but wanted to cheer for welshbyte too
[01:08] <elmo> Dear Wiki, you are the SUCK.  Love, James.
[01:08] <welshbyte> I hope I can help the Ubuntu community fight the "battle of the bugs" and also help to take a chunk out of the huge amount of work the MOTU team have to undertake. As I learn more about the development process the number of contributions I can make to Ubuntu increases and it gets even more fun. Eventually I'd like to become a MOTU and help to keep the increasing number of packages in universe up to a high standard o
[01:08] <welshbyte> f quality. Lots of work to do, but I enjoy it.
[01:08] <welshbyte> Thank you for considering me as a Ubuntu member :)
[01:09] <welshbyte> sorry, bit long wasn't it :)
[01:09] <imbrandon> i'm still here but , yea welshbyte has my +1 , he helps alot
[01:09] <LaserJock> yeah, I support welshbyte as well, he has been sticking to it and has been consistent on #ubuntu-motu
[01:09] <imbrandon> in motu and learns fast
[01:09] <jono> welshbyte +1 from me, excellent work :)
[01:09] <welshbyte> thanks guys :)
[01:10] <elmo> dear lord - personal wiki page in the 3rd person
[01:10] <imbrandon> Seveas, it was bddebian that had to leave and gave a cheer for welshbyte and Fujitsu_
[01:10] <Seveas> urgh
[01:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:10] <Seveas> ok, well both of you now cheered for him, he should be happy ;)
[01:11] <LaserJock> elmo: yeah ... interesting 
[01:11] <elmo> motu people: how long has welshbyte been doing motu-ish stuff?
[01:11] <welshbyte> elmo: makes it easier to maintain if i die ;)
[01:11] <imbrandon> [17:28]  <bddebian> +Kamion, elmo, mako: Apologies for butting in but i have to leave.  Please give +1 to welshbyte, Fujitsu, and trappist for me.
[01:12] <welshbyte> bddebian is unfortunately the person i work with most :/
[01:12] <LaserJock> elmo: hmm, trying to think, he's been learning and hanging out in -motu for some time
[01:12] <crimsun> 2 months at least
[01:12] <elmo> ok
[01:12] <imbrandon> elmo, about 3 or more months iirc ( from what i've seen )
[01:12] <Surak> I've seen welshbyte in #ubuntu-motu for quite some time now.
[01:13] <welshbyte> it's been a fun ride :)
[01:14] <elmo> ok, ack from me
[01:15] <Kamion> yep, +1 for welshbyte, looks to be doing a good job and learning fast
[01:15] <mako> yes, sounds good to me
[01:15] <mako> WilliamGrant Fujitsu
[01:15] <welshbyte> :D
[01:15] <Fujitsu_> Ah yes, me.
[01:15] <Seveas> welshbyte, congrats!
[01:16] <mako> Fujitsu_: go, go :)
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> Hi, I'm William Grant. I'm a 15-year-old student in Year 12 in Melbourne, Australia. I started out on Red Hat (7.0?) in mid-2000, when my father introduced me to it. I stayed there for a couple of years, moved to Mandrake, greatly disliked it, so moved to Slackware for about 1.5 years. I discovered Ubuntu just before the release of Hoary, and I haven't left since.
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> Around the release of Breezy I began to help a lot in #ubuntu. This continued until just after the release of Dapper, when I had to stop sitting in #ubuntu, as it was using up my download limit rapidly :(.
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> Also around the release of Breezy, YukiCuss and I formed the AustralianTeam, which I now manage the server for, and has around 170 people on the mailing list, and well over 50 members.
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> Since the move to Launchpad, I've been triaging bugs a fair bit. I'm not doing so much now, though, devoting more time to MOTUish activities.
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> I've merged and requested syncs for over 40 packages during the Edgy development cycle, with a few new ones yesterday.
[01:16] <mako> LinuxBA: skipped you, you're next
[01:16] <mako> LinuxBA: sorry
[01:16] <Surak> Congrats welshbyte
[01:16] <LinuxBA> okay
[01:16] <Seveas> Fujitsu_, you're only 15?!?
[01:16] <LinuxBA> mako, no prblem
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> Seveas, yup...
[01:16] <welshbyte> thanks Seveas, Surak :)
[01:16] <Fujitsu_> As of two months ago.
[01:17] <mako> jenda: don't worry it's not
[01:17] <Seveas> jenda, I don't consider it as such, I was merely very surprised
[01:17] <jenda> as long as those two months were filled with significant and sustained contribution :)
[01:18] <elmo> Fujitsu: you haven't applied for ubuntu-members in LP ?
[01:18] <Fujitsu_> elmo, I thought I was only meant to once I was approved.
[01:18] <Fujitsu_> Thanks Seveas :)
[01:18] <mako> Fujitsu_: no, do it before the meeting
[01:18] <Fujitsu_> Ah, I'll do it now.
[01:18] <Kamion> I do tend to hold younger people to a higher standard of sustainedness, personally, just because people who are still in school have a lot of demands on their time that they can't control
[01:19] <Kamion> but Fujitsu's been around for a good long while
[01:19] <LaserJock> I also support Fujitsu, he has been helpful for me in MOTU Science doing bug work and has certainly been helping out in -motu
[01:19] <imbrandon> yea Fujitsu has been a great help with the merges, i have sponsored a few packages for him ( his LP +packages shows 40+ ) , he has a big +1 from me
[01:19] <elmo> mutter
[01:19] <elmo> don't use www.launchpad.net for links folks
[01:19] <Surak> Kamion: but they doesn't have a boss nor a wife. Those can take some time :-)
[01:19] <elmo> it gives nasty SSL errors
[01:20] <Seveas> heh
[01:20] <nixternal> I support Fujitsu big time, he helped me alot with the Ubuntu Chicago web site, and helping with bug triage, and the work he does for Ubuntu AU
[01:20] <Seveas> why is all of launchpad SSL'ed?
[01:20] <Seveas> (don't answer - too offtopic, sorry)
[01:20] <elmo> fujitsu: eh, what are your translation karma points for?
[01:20] <elmo> please don't say en_AU
[01:21] <Fujitsu_> A bit of EO.
[01:21] <Seveas> "G'day mate, welcome to Ubuntu"
[01:21] <Fujitsu_> Not a whole lot, though.
[01:21] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[01:22] <elmo> ehm, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vpnc/+bug/53341
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53341 in vpnc "0.3.3+SVN20051028-3ubuntu1 no longer works" [Untriaged,Fix released]  
[01:23] <elmo> Fujitsu: you did report that as a gcc bug, right?
[01:23] <Fujitsu_> Hm, I didn't end up reporting that, no. Oops.
[01:23] <elmo> ok, please do
[01:24] <Fujitsu_> I'll file a bug in GCC's tracker, and add a gcc upstream task to the bug...
[01:25] <elmo> anyway, ack from me
[01:26] <Kamion> +1 for MOTU work, -0 for en_AU ;-)
[01:26] <elmo> yeah, geez
[01:26] <elmo> if I hadn't heard such good things about the AU loco team, I'd be like -0.5 for en_AU
[01:26] <Kamion> I guess that tla en_AU locale has long been buried
[01:27] <Kamion> the one that had "wanker" liberally sprinkled through the program's error messages
[01:27] <Seveas> lol
[01:27] <jono> hehe
[01:27] <Surak> that "G'Day mate" should be recorded. It was a good one. :-)
[01:28] <mako> yes, sounds fine
[01:28] <Fujitsu_> en_AU translations are stopped for the moment, as there's no way to make it a subtranslation of en_GB, which it should be.
[01:28] <mako> Fujitsu_: welcome :)
[01:28] <LinuxBA> Fujitsu, Congrats
[01:28] <Seveas> \o/ congratulations!
[01:28] <mako> LinuxBA: you're up
[01:28] <Fujitsu_> Thanks!
[01:28] <nixternal> congrats Fujitsu!!!
[01:28] <welshbyte> Fujitsu: good on yer :)
[01:28] <Ubuntuser> :)
[01:28] <LinuxBA> here
[01:28] <Surak> congratulations, Fujitu)
[01:28] <Dilago> ;)
[01:28] <Surak> ops, Fujitsu_
[01:29] <Ubuntuser> hehehe Maxtor?
[01:29] <Ubuntuser> hehehe
[01:29] <CypherBIOS> Ubuntuser: :P
[01:29] <OgMaciel> :P
[01:29] <LinuxBA> Hi My name is Alexandro Silva aka LinuxBA. I've been using GNU/Linux systems for about 8 years
[01:29] <Fujitsu_> I was named after a hard disk >_<
[01:30] <LinuxBA> I participate of the Official Brazilian Translation team Brazilian Security team as founding and others important teams in my country
[01:30] <LinuxBA> I am a author of Ubuntu Brazilian's blog agregator, where I post some articles and news about Ubuntu to keep the community up-to-date about security news.
[01:30] <LinuxBA> Today I work advocating the Ubuntu Linux in Bahia with apresentations at Universities and Foruns in my region.
[01:30] <LinuxBA> I just recently helped the organization and ran the Ubuntu Brasil booth at the III Festival Software Livre da Bahia
[01:30] <LinuxBA> I intend to work  into the development of tools to facilitate the work of security officers and system engineers. I also want to help the number of Ubuntu Servers at Bahia.
[01:30] <LinuxBA> More info about me pleasesee my WikiPage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandroSilva and my launchpad https://launchpad.net/people/penguim
[01:31] <elmo> ok, seriously Team Brazil, stop claiming to be "Author of <planet>", it's entirely confusing my sorry excuse for a brain.  "Author on <planet>".  kthx.
[01:31] <LinuxBA> uhaha
[01:31] <Ubuntuser> hehehe
[01:31] <Ubuntuser> oh yes.. 
[01:31] <OgMaciel> LinuxBA is syndicated 
[01:31] <CypherBIOS> elmo: our mistake ;)
[01:32] <elmo> linuxba: what does the ubuntu brazillian security team do?
[01:32] <KurtKraut> elmo, this is a problem of translation. When they mean 'author' they just want to say that they are colunists of this website.
[01:32] <LinuxBA> its a new team
[01:32] <Surak> elmo: the english grammar seems specially confusing for us on this.
[01:32] <CypherBIOS> Surak: yep, is just!
[01:33] <LinuxBA> bugs patch
[01:33] <LinuxBA> secutrity infos
[01:33] <OgMaciel> elmo, LinuxBA has started an awareness program whereby he translates all security related notices and makes them available to the community
[01:33] <LinuxBA> and divulging  the Nubuntu Linux
[01:33] <OgMaciel> elmo, but IMHO his strength lies in his advocacy
[01:34] <LinuxBA> thanks Og
[01:34] <Ubuntuser> in his lectures...
[01:34] <Ubuntuser> good lectures about Security / Ubuntu
[01:34] <OgMaciel> elmo, Ubuntuser, Surak  and LinuxBA among others are very active at their home state
[01:34] <mako> elmo: the particualrly funny part is that one of them *is* an author of the brazilian planet
[01:34] <mako> elmo: although he's already a member
[01:35] <LinuxBA> mako, thanx
[01:35] <OgMaciel> mako, :P
[01:35] <Ubuntuser> the Evangelization, mako.. ;)
[01:37] <OgMaciel> elmo, Kamion mako Bahia, LinuxBA's home state, is considered to be one of the "poor" states in Brazil... and they pretty much pay out of their pockers to do the evangelization
[01:37] <OgMaciel> pockets
[01:37] <OgMaciel> Spl4y went there to lend them a hand
[01:37] <Ubuntuser> +1 OgMaciel 
[01:37] <OgMaciel> and he also travelled out of his own expenses
[01:37] <Ubuntuser> But nothing is impossible.. 
[01:37] <OgMaciel> I'm here supporting LinuxBA for his advocacy
[01:38] <CypherBIOS> LinuxBA makes a great job in advocacy and evangelization, really
[01:38] <Spl4y> OgMaciel, two hands :)
[01:38] <OgMaciel> Spl4y, hehehe :P
[01:39] <Kamion> ok, I'm sorry but I need to go and get some coffee, I can't concentrate
[01:39] <Kamion> please carry on without me and I'll catch up
[01:39] <jono> LinuxBA, ping me with your blog RSS feed, will add you to Planet Advocacy :)
[01:39] <Ubuntuser> :)
[01:39] <LinuxBA> okay
[01:39] <LinuxBA> thanx
[01:40] <elmo> hmm, yeah, I should probably focus too, I seem to have started reading about bahia in wikipedia
[01:40] <OgMaciel> elmo, hehehe
[01:40] <LinuxBA> uhauha
[01:40] <Seveas> heh
[01:40] <Surak> As I told on his wiki, his lectures are quite crowded. People fight to see him talk. LinuxBA, have you ever though about charging people to hear you?
[01:40] <ompaul> good luck to all, I have to go
[01:40] <Seveas> Surak, paying scares people away
[01:40] <mako> LinuxBA: you say you've done 100,000+ translations
[01:41] <mako> LinuxBA: you have that much karma, is that what you mean?
[01:41] <LinuxBA> yes
[01:41] <mako> i don't think you've translated 100,000 strings
[01:42] <mako> i mean, it's absolutely possible
[01:42] <mako> but your karma would be higher
[01:42] <LinuxBA> ;-)
[01:42] <Ubuntuser> The power of brazilians.. :)
[01:43] <OgMaciel> hehe
[01:43] <AlexRocha> ;)
[01:44] <elmo> anyway, ack from me
[01:46] <Kamion> +1 for LinuxBA from me, particularly based on testimonials for advocacy
[01:49] <Seveas> 2 down
[01:49] <Seveas> and a meeting rapidly feeling the ill effects of time
[01:49] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[01:49] <jono> heh
[01:49] <mako> yes, the advocacy stuff sounds great
[01:49] <jono> I am feeling the burn right now
[01:49] <mako> jono: i think...
[01:49] <mako> you're up
[01:49] <Kamion> ok, just jono and EtienneG to go
[01:49] <jono> been a hell of a long day :P
[01:49] <Surak> Congrats LinuxBA
[01:49] <Seveas> mako, hat implies a +1 from you?
[01:49] <jono> ok, should I go?
[01:49] <LinuxBA> uahuahuahauhauhauhauha
[01:50] <Ubuntuser> \o/ Bahia in fest!!! \o/ - Congrats my friend... you deserve!!!!!
[01:50] <LinuxBA> uuahauhauhauha
[01:50] <LinuxBA> uahuahuahauhauhauahuah
[01:50] <LinuxBA> uahauhauhauhauhauhau
[01:50] <Kamion> jono: yep
[01:50] <LinuxBA> jiaajiajiajiajiajiaja
[01:50] <Seveas> LinuxBA, drop it
[01:50] <LinuxBA> uhahuahauhauhauhauahua
[01:50] <LinuxBA> iajiajiaja
[01:50] <mako> Seveas: yes, sorry, postiive vote for me
[01:50] <jono> My name is Jono Bacon, I have been a long-time contributor and advocate of free software, and I recently started at Canonical as the Ubuntu Community Manager. My contributions to Ubuntu are fairly recent, and have mainly involved testing, feedback and writing the Official Ubuntu Book.
[01:50] <AlexRocha> Congrats!!! LinuxBA :D
[01:50] <mako> jono: that's very concise
[01:50] <jono> Outside Ubuntu I have been involved with a number of projects, including officially representing KDE in the UK, founding KDE Usability Study, KDE::Enterprise, Linux UK, Jokosher, Planet Advocacy, Wolves LUG, PHPWM, Infopoint and co-founding LUGRadio, LUGRadio Live 2005/2006 and more. I have also spoken around the world as an advocate at conferences and before starting at Canonical worked as a professional Open Source advocate for 
[01:50] <jono> a UK government funded organisation for two years. I have worked to build the worldwide LUGradio community (approx 15,000 regular listeners, 700+ forum members) and a strong Jokosher community which is steaming ahead in its progress.
[01:50] <mako> hah
[01:50] <Kamion> please stop flooding, LinuxBA
[01:50] <Dilago> Concreats, LinuxBA!!!
[01:50] <jono> I am committed to Ubuntu, and as UCM I will be working with LoCo teams, edubuntu and education, refining team relations, developing upstream community relations, increasing community contributions/advocacy, resolving conflict, helping ubuntu marketing and other things. In my two days working in the role I have already worked on LoCo, education, marketing, merch and upstream relations issues.
[01:50] <LinuxBA> sorry
[01:50] <Ubuntuser> one more to Brasil - Bahia!!!
[01:50] <LinuxBA> felicity
[01:50] <jono> I have a proven track record, and a proven committment to free software, and I am committed to making Ubuntu kick more ass than a guy with four legs and a pint of cider.
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[01:50] <Seveas> -1 for jono from me -- We should only support shaved bacon
[01:51] <jono> Seveas, damn you!
[01:51] <Burgwork> jono, sorry, but I just don't that you have done enough for ubuntu ;)
[01:51] <jono> :P
[01:51] <jenda> wow, not that concise anymore...
[01:51] <LinuxBA> Surak, Ubuntuser OgMaciel  
[01:51] <jenda> Jono has been very helpful and friendly when discussing DIY Marketing with me. Besides, I trust Canonical's joice 
[01:51] <jono> heh
[01:51] <LinuxBA> thanx
[01:51] <mako> well, i worked for a long time with jono on the book
[01:51] <LinuxBA> mucj thanx
[01:51] <LinuxBA> much
[01:51] <Burgwork> +1 from much
[01:51] <Burgwork> s/much/me
[01:51] <jono> Burgwork, heh
[01:51] <jenda> hehe... ill effects of time, eh.
[01:51] <Seveas> Burgwork, probably the 'much' is also correct
[01:52] <Ubuntuser> i have to go.. good meeting!
[01:52] <mako> and without him, it would have been a much worse (and much thinner) book
[01:52] <Kamion> +1 for jono, kind of obviously; even without the employment contract his book contributions were sustained and significant
[01:52] <elmo> jono: http://www.jokosher.org/ is broken
[01:52] <mako> for FWIW, i fully endorse him for the the book work
[01:52] <jono> bugger
[01:52] <Kamion> looking forward to seeing the community prosper under his guidance
[01:52] <moitio> elmo, heh, thats brilliant :)
[01:52] <elmo> and yeah, ack from me for jono
[01:53] <mako> jono: welcome, looking forward to good stuff :)
[01:53] <Seveas> 3 acks
[01:53] <jenda> jono: congratulations, and good night ;)
[01:53] <Seveas> Welcome aboard!
[01:53] <jono> woo!
[01:53] <jono> thanks guys
[01:53] <jono> oh and elmo, you broke jokosher.org, damn you :P
[01:53] <Kamion> say hi to the lugradio lot from us
[01:53] <OgMaciel> congrats jono 
[01:53] <Seveas> EtienneG, you're up
[01:53] <jono> Kamion, will do :)
[01:53] <EtienneG> here it is
[01:53] <EtienneG> I have been a Ubuntu user since Warty
[01:53] <EtienneG> I have been employed by Canonical as a support analyst in the Montreal office since July this year
[01:54] <EtienneG> Which mean that I will get to come in contact with every interesting way Ubuntu can break eventually :)
[01:54] <EtienneG> I have also been assigned some packaging responsabilities
[01:54] <EtienneG> Notably, I am producing the debs of the latest release of bzr available on http://bazaar-vcs.org
[01:54] <EtienneG> I have also produced the latest bzr/bzrtools packages for Edgy and dapper-updates
[01:54] <EtienneG> which should find their way in the archive any time now
[01:54] <EtienneG> In the recent past, I have been a huge Ubuntu advocate within my LUG and University
[01:54] <EtienneG> and a huge abuser of the ShipIt service :)
[01:54] <Kamion> (the most recent bzr failed to build, see your +packages page on launchpad)
[01:54] <elmo> *giggle*
[01:55] <EtienneG> (yeah I know, selftest break)
[01:55] <EtienneG> I have distributed a few hundreds CD in LUG meeting, in the CS dept that I attended,
[01:55] <mako> heh :)
[01:55] <EtienneG> to co-workers and to acquaintance from the local public administration I was in contact with professionnally
[01:55] <EtienneG> I was on sounders from March 2005 to April 2006 (I unsubscribe as the volume was just to high for me to keep up)
[01:55] <EtienneG> My plan for Ubuntu are pretty simple
[01:55] <EtienneG> I expect to continue contributing to the packaging of bzr for the foreseeable future
[01:55] <EtienneG> As I get better at packaging, I would like to maintain a few packages in Universe eventually
[01:55] <EtienneG> Since I provide professionnal service for Ubuntu, I expect to come in contact with a lot of bugs and problems from customers
[01:55] <EtienneG> so I expect to be filing a lot bugs on behalf of customers in the future
[01:55] <EtienneG> Thus, I take a close interest in QA
[01:55] <EtienneG> If my schedule ever permit it (I work evening shift, not really good for RL meeting)
[01:55] <EtienneG> I would really like to get involved in my LoCo
[01:56] <EtienneG> it's somewhat dormant right now, I'd like to make it more active and visible
[01:56] <EtienneG> In general, I am a lot into advocacy at the local level
[01:56] <EtienneG> That's about it, thanks for considering me as a Ubuntu member !
[01:56] <EtienneG> questions ?
[01:57] <Kamion> it's good to see people from Canonical teams other than the distro get gradually sucked into Ubuntu ;-)
[01:57] <jbailey> You stunned them into silence. =)
[01:57] <EtienneG> hey !
[01:57] <mako> Kamion: yes, definitely
[01:57] <mako> jbailey: still reading
[01:57] <elmo> ack from me
[01:59] <Kamion> the actual contributions linked are shortish, but you didn't mention bzr/bzrtools on the wiki page, which I know is a reasonable chunk of work, so that helps
[01:59] <EtienneG> Kamion, indeed, it's a work in progress
[01:59] <EtienneG> I should have mentionned it
[01:59] <Kamion> thank you for taking those on; they were languishing for a while there
[01:59] <EtienneG> it's been an ... instructive experience 
[02:00] <EtienneG> :)
[02:00] <mako> jbailey: do you have a testimonial?
[02:00] <Kamion> +1 from me for that and anticipated profserv help :-)
[02:00] <mako> EtienneG: yeah, the page is a bit thin
[02:00] <jbailey> mako: My testimonial is from the watched-him-with-customers side, so I'm not sure how best to present it.
[02:00] <mako> i guess we can talk about it later..
[02:00] <mako> i mean, the general case
[02:00] <jbailey> mako: It's something that I don't think we've really looked at before, have we?  From the works-with-deploying-to-customers-around-the-world.
[02:01] <jbailey> I don't mean it as a secret, but I'm not sure how to put it.
[02:01] <mako> jbailey: no, we haven't
[02:01] <mako> EtienneG: in any case, i'm happy accepting you as a member
[02:01] <EtienneG> thanks !
[02:01] <mako> alright then
[02:01] <mako> that's it for this week
[02:01] <jbailey> mako: I think it's probably an interesting case to consider, not just in the CAnonical case, but in the general case of support providers.
[02:01] <mako> two weeks from today then
[02:01] <jenda> theCore: you missed it :)
[02:01] <jbailey> I don't know how it would be measured, though.
[02:02] <theCore> jenda: *nod*
[02:02] <mako> how about 12UTC
[02:02] <Kamion> jbailey: yeah, it's a lot harder for extra-Canonical folks where we don't know their co-workers so well
[02:02] <Seveas> please one week later
[02:02] <Seveas> 2 weeks from now is eurooscon
[02:02] <mako> Seveas: hmm
[02:03] <jbailey> Kamion: I'll think on it and try to offer a proposal.
[02:03] <mako> are any of the members going to eurooscon?
[02:03] <mako> the CC members?
[02:03] <Seveas> sabdfl 
[02:03] <Seveas> (according to the schedule I've seen)
[02:03] <mako> right, but he won't make it in three weeks either ;)
[02:03] <Seveas> heh
[02:03] <jenda> Seveas: link?
[02:03] <elmo> yeah, I suspect sabdfl is - it's on the calendar in the office
[02:04] <elmo> unfortunately it being ONE AM, I don't have access to Avril to check sabdfl's schedule
[02:04] <mako> alright
[02:04] <Fujitsu_> One AM!? Urgh.
[02:04] <mako> lets end this now
[02:04] <Seveas> 2 AM here ;)
[02:04] <Fujitsu_> 10am here :D
[02:04] <mako> elmo: 12UTC in 2weeks work for you?
[02:04] <elmo> mako: sure
[02:05] <jbailey> elmo: You tell us this just to make the rest of us feel guilty for feeling tired. =)
[02:05] <mako> with three weeks, the candidate list backs up
[02:05] <mako> alright then
[02:05] <mako> lets do that
[02:05] <mako> Seveas: sorry you won't be able to make it
[02:05] <Seveas> np -- there will be more meetings ;)
[02:05] <elmo> I've done members in LP and members email.  is someone doing the wiki page?
[02:05] <mako> elmo: thanks
[02:06] <mako> i can if Seveas doesn't get to it first
[02:06] <Seveas> elmo, not yet but I was planning to
[02:06] <Fujitsu_> Members email?
[02:06] <elmo> Seveas: ok, cool
[02:06] <jono> right, I will toddle off to bed then
[02:06] <jono> thanks chaps :)
[02:06] <mako> Fujitsu_: we choose this time for you :)
[02:06] <Seveas> g'night!
[02:06] <mako> jono: g'night
[02:06] <jono> night :)
[02:06] <mako> my dinner is ready
[02:06] <mako> so i'm off too
[02:06] <Fujitsu_> See ya mako, jono.
[02:06] <Seveas> bye mako
[02:07] <EtienneG> see you gang
[02:21] <Seveas> agenda updated, mail to 'old items' sent, will do the translation leader business tomorrow
[02:21] <Seveas> 'night all (well, all that are still here)
[03:39] <bieb> @schedule atlanta
[03:40] <bieb> @schedule new_york
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 06 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Sep 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 16:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 16:00: Edubuntu | 14 Sep 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:08] <licio> Seveas, where are CC logs?
[05:41] <BHSPitMonkey> CC?
[05:50] <Hawkwind> BHSPitMonkey: What brings you here
[05:50] <BHSPitMonkey> Hawkwind, I've been here for the duration of the meeting.
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm an ubuntu user, and I like to know what's up in the community.
[05:51] <Hawkwind> BHSPitMonkey: Wasn't the meeting over quite some time ago
[05:51] <Hawkwind> BHSPitMonkey: Ahhh, didn't know you used Ubuntu
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> (Incidentally, I ended up being afk during the meeting)
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> I left mandriva a few months ago
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> grew less and less happy with it
[05:51] <Hawkwind> Same here.  June 1st to be exact
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> heh
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> dapper's release?
[05:51] <Hawkwind> Stepped down as op and relinqueshed being alternate contact as well
[05:52] <BHSPitMonkey> dapper's when I came in
[05:52] <Hawkwind> Yeppers
[05:52] <BHSPitMonkey> I actually downloaded breezy first, but dapper ended up coming out days later, so I never even used the breezy cd
[05:53] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm about to start downloading knot 2
[05:54] <BHSPitMonkey> so is SoS doing ubuntu packages at all? I haven't looked 
[05:54] <Hawkwind> I ran Ubuntu when it first got released for a week or so on a spare box
[05:54] <Hawkwind> I have Knot2 installed in vmware
[05:54] <Hobbsee> --> #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:54] <Hawkwind> BHSPitMonkey: Yeppers.  http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[05:54] <BHSPitMonkey> shunned.
[05:54] <Hawkwind> BHSPitMonkey: Or #LFD :P
[05:54] <Hobbsee> or that
[05:54] <Hobbsee> this is supposed to be kept quiet when meetings arent on :P
[05:54] <Hawkwind> The whip has been cracked
[05:55] <BHSPitMonkey> Hobbsee, logging reasons?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> BHSPitMonkey: yep
[05:56] <BHSPitMonkey> gotcha
[12:08] <flint>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY flint
[12:09] <flint> Good Morning,  I  need to take someone to the airport this morning, so I will review this capture after I get back.  Talk to you in two weeks!
[12:16] <Seveas> flint, you might want to change your password
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Morning, Seveas.
[12:16] <Seveas> morning Fujitsu 
[01:59] <RichEd> @schedule Johannesburg
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 14 Sep 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:01] <RichEd> greetz all
[02:02] <pips1> hello
[02:04] <RichEd> It's all very quiet ... Hands up please for the people actually here and participating ?
[02:04] <rodarvus> hi there
[02:04] <rodarvus> I'm here, but not really
[02:04] <rodarvus> feature freeze is in ~12 hours, and I need to finish one spec
[02:05] <rodarvus> (likely the case for ogra too)
[02:05] <RichEd> Thought so ... rodarvus & ogra workiog against the freeze
[02:05] <pips1> ah, the big rush.. 
[02:05] <RichEd> Okay .. that's a good idea ...
[02:05] <ogra> tech update:
[02:05] <RichEd> I'll lead the meeting
[02:05] <ogra> knot 2 is out 
[02:05] <RichEd> Tech from Ogra, comments from rodarvus 
[02:05] <ogra> with some bugs 
[02:06] <RichEd> Then pips1 and I will do some structure stuff out in the open
[02:06] <ogra> (i.e. localdev wont work without updating edubuntu-server)
[02:06] <RichEd> With input form Jono
[02:06] <RichEd> *from
[02:06] <ogra> ltsp-login-and-session-handing was implemented tonight
[02:06] <ogra> you are now able to select te locale and session you want from ldm
[02:07] <ogra> works nicely with xfce gnome and KDE 
[02:07] <ogra> the debian guys already promised me to patch it further to even work with strange things like fluxbox and icewm
[02:07] <rodarvus> :)
[02:08] <pips1> nice, desktop-independant!
[02:08] <ogra> the locale and session aliasing will need improvement
[02:08] <ogra> i.e. the language list is still something like: en_GB de_CH etc
[02:08] <ogra> and te sessions could get more proper names than gnome-session or xfce4-session
[02:09] <ogra> but thas cosetic, it works and is usable 
[02:09] <ogra> *cosmetic
[02:09] <ogra> i plan to revisit it before release
[02:09] <ogra> currently i'm working on the dhcpd.autoconfiguration ...
[02:10] <ogra> users wont have to touch a single file after install if thats implemented ...
[02:10] <ogra> we can cut down the gettingstarted doc to a third ;)
[02:10] <ogra> cbx33, has done awesome work on SCP
[02:10] <jsgotangco> yay
[02:10] <ogra> a package with his encancements was uploaded today
[02:11] <ogra> its still in universe thugh 
[02:11] <ogra> but worst case we can live with that (in case pitti finds to much that keeps it out of main)
[02:11] <ogra> at least we have the most beautiful teacher tool 
[02:12] <ogra> and the one with the sexiest implementation (way beyond my lame spec)
[02:12] <cbx33> sorry I'm late guys
[02:12] <rodarvus> I've talked with pitti today (on unrelated subject)
[02:12] <rodarvus> he is extremely busy
[02:12] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[02:12] <ogra> so everybody take a bow in front of cbx33, he really deserves it 
[02:12] <rodarvus> and has about 10-15 packages on the MainInclusionQueue
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: two down.....two to go
[02:12] <ogra> :)
[02:12] <rodarvus> but I think cbx33 should put scp into the queue
[02:12] <rodarvus> and hope for the best :)
[02:12] <ogra> right
[02:13] <cbx33> ok, I can't upload the latest version till I get home
[02:13] <rodarvus> as ogra says, the worse that can happen is scp to remain in universe for edgy
[02:13] <cbx33> unless someone can get it into universe for me
[02:13] <ogra> as i said its not critical if the users have to install it from universe ... the important fact is that we have it at all ...
[02:13] <ogra> and that its sooooo sexy :)
[02:13] <cbx33> I'm really sorry guys :(
[02:13] <cbx33> I should have worked a lot faster
[02:13] <ogra> i'm waiting fro feedback from Amaranth about willowng 
[02:13] <rodarvus> no, you don't need to be sorry, you did *great* work with scp
[02:14] <rodarvus> cbx33, we are really proud of you!
[02:14] <ogra> cbx33, huh ? 
[02:14] <cbx33> *bah* I hate having to work on other stuff at my job
[02:14] <cbx33> heheh
[02:14] <ogra> you ruled the world ... i wouldnt have been able to implement it faster
[02:14] <cbx33> heh thanks guys
[02:14] <ogra> you really really rock !
[02:14] <ogra> ok, thats it from my side ...
[02:15] <ogra> rodarvus, any news about the swapserver ? 
[02:15] <ogra> oh, i forgot, LaserJock seems to have a sample implementation of the edubuntu-menu spec
[02:15] <rodarvus> yes. backporting from ltspswapd failed. I'm working on reimplementing it from scratch
[02:15] <rodarvus> and I'll have it ready today, one way or another
[02:15] <ogra> thats what i thought 
[02:15] <ogra> mdz insisted we use ltspswapd
[02:16] <ogra> i wasnt happy about the idea from the beginning
[02:16] <rodarvus> ltspswapd works fine, its just *too* different from nbd
[02:16] <ogra> (he hasnt seen the code before)
[02:16] <ogra> right
[02:16] <ogra> i had a similar prob with ltspinfod for the lang/session stuff
[02:16] <rodarvus> most of the stuff nbd has was stripped off, so it was a lot of pain to identify what was needed exactly
[02:17] <ogra> (mdz wante me to use that, but its targeted to run on the client, not on the server)
[02:17] <rodarvus> so, anyhow. implementation is progressing, hopefully I'll be able to upload in 4-6 hours
[02:18] <ogra> cool
[02:18] <ogra> dont forget to look if and what changes to ltsp are needed
[02:18] <rodarvus> *nods*, I'll try to maintain the semantics, though
[02:18] <ogra> i'm fine coding that tomorrow ...
[02:18] <ogra> but you need to tell me whats needed ;)
[02:19] <rodarvus> sure
[02:19] <rodarvus> btw, tomorrow is a public holiday in Brazil
[02:19] <rodarvus> so, I'll be back Friday, only
[02:19] <rodarvus> (but I'll leave you an email on the swap server subject today)
[02:20] <rodarvus> RichEd, thanks :)
[02:20] <ogra> RichEd, thats risky on freeze day :)
[02:20] <cbx33> *GAH*
[02:20] <cbx33> I can't log in to the LTSP server.....:( - I need this to test SCP
[02:21] <RichEd> rodarvus will be 100% with the deadline work - just no extra requests that's the main thing
[02:21] <ogra> yep, i didnt complain ;)
[02:22] <rodarvus> :)
[02:23] <RichEd> I've got a semi tech request from LaserJock for the freeze ... can I drop it in now ?
[02:23] <jsgotangco> dum dum dee dum
[02:23] <pips1> what is the status of the authentication-magic spec? (a ubuntu spec, rather than edubuntu) 
[02:23] <pips1> I can't seem to find it in Launchpad at all
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd, shoot
[02:24] <ogra> pips1, i think its simpy called network-authentication
[02:24] <RichEd> Right ... LaserJock is sorting out his dymanic menus ... and wants to know what should be in the Basic all users must have
[02:25] <RichEd> He would like suggestions to add to:
[02:25] <RichEd> Gedit
[02:25] <RichEd> Firefox
[02:25] <ogra> pips1, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication
[02:25] <ajmitch> pips1: code is there but likely to be far too rough for main for edgy
[02:25] <RichEd> He can't be at the meeting today, so he has asked me to field opinion
[02:25] <cbx33> ogra: ssh isn't running
[02:25] <ogra> start it ...
[02:25] <pips1> ogra ajmitch thanks
[02:26] <ogra> RichEd, i think he'd get wider feedback on the ML
[02:26] <RichEd> I'll post there as well ...
[02:26] <ajmitch> pips1: eg it may eat your children, burn down your house, or make your box unbootable :)
[02:26] <ogra> but i think: evo, firefox, openoffice should be in every default
[02:26] <RichEd> Anyone here willing to respond to an email directly ? He needs info by freeze time.
[02:26] <pips1> ajmitch LOL
[02:28] <RichEd> Okay ... not much interest ... I'll post to list.
[02:28] <pips1> ogra: openoffice all of them? or just oo writer?
[02:28] <ogra> well, does that matter ? 
[02:28] <ogra> if one is running you can start all the others
[02:29] <ogra> so i'd opt for keeping the menu entris
[02:29] <ogra> *entries
[02:29] <rodarvus> pips1, all OOo programs run the same binary
[02:29] <RichEd> The idea is a simple uncluttered basic applications. So my opinion would be OO Document & OO Spreadsheet
[02:30] <ogra> right
[02:30] <ogra> database isnt really needed
[02:30] <ogra> impress could stay i think
[02:30] <RichEd> as you said .. its there when the app is open, but applies to probably < 10 % users for quick launch
[02:31] <ogra> i wonder why he lists gedit
[02:31] <pips1> +1
[02:31] <ogra> do we really want an editor in every default menu ? 
[02:31] <RichEd> text editor - quick & dirty documents / notes
[02:31] <ogra> i'D rather vote for the calculator
[02:31] <RichEd> I use it all the time (MS name Notepad kind of sums it up)
[02:32] <RichEd> good sugestion ogra
[02:32] <pips1> gedit starts faster than oo, but I guess people want the text formatting features of oo...
[02:33] <RichEd> pips1: if a teacher says take down these notes while you cut open a frog ... i'd go gedit, and format later
[02:33] <cbx33> RichEd: ++
[02:33] <ogra> i wouldnt ...
[02:33] <jsgotangco> i think you still need a basic text editor
[02:34] <jsgotangco> it still has uses
[02:34] <ogra> simply because i dont want frog remainings on the keyboard
[02:34] <jsgotangco> you download a text file, you open it with a text editor
[02:34] <jsgotangco> not OOo
[02:34] <jsgotangco> it doesn't even eat real estate space imo
[02:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, i dont think the mime actions will be touched by the menu stuff
[02:35] <ogra> so clicking a textfile will still open it in gedit
[02:35] <ogra> you just dont have the menu entry
[02:35] <jsgotangco> sure but it'll probably confuse people where the heck it came from
[02:35] <ogra> right
[02:35] <RichEd> okay summary:
[02:35] <RichEd> * calculator
[02:35] <RichEd> * firefox
[02:35] <RichEd> * gedit
[02:35] <RichEd> * oo document
[02:35] <RichEd> * oo spreadsheet
[02:35] <ogra> lets have gedit in the list
[02:35] <ogra> evolution
[02:36] <ogra> if we have a browser we should have a mailer too
[02:36] <ogra> (and calendaring app etc)
[02:37] <RichEd> noted ... good point
[02:38] <RichEd> okay ... I think that is a good first response ... I've made notes and will send through edubuntu users for more comment
[02:38] <RichEd> Thanks
[02:38] <ogra> so our main menu would shrink to three sections :)
[02:38] <ogra> that wil look quite weird :)
[02:38] <ogra> but clean :)
[02:39] <RichEd> let me give you the background from Jordan
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[02:39] <jsgotangco> very weird
[02:39] <RichEd> OK, so what I was thinking was having a basic .menu that would have the most common items straight in the Applications menu so users don't have to dig around submenus, then on top of that build subject-based submenus. Stuff like Science, Art, Math, Writing, etc. 
[02:39] <RichEd> <end paste>
[02:39] <jsgotangco> i think calculator should be included
[02:39] <jsgotangco> err 
[02:40] <jsgotangco> ignore me
[02:40] <ogra> jsgotangco, morning
[02:40] <pips1> hehe
[02:40] <ogra> :)
[02:41] <ogra> i guess thats all from the tech side ...
[02:42] <jsgotangco> i should update my edgy box
[02:42] <pips1> as a rule-of-thumb in usability, try not to have more that 7 items in a list (hierarchy)...
[02:42] <jsgotangco> can i ask something tech-ish?
[02:42] <RichEd> jdub just pinged me rught now with this url: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=1146
[02:43] <RichEd> an email interview last week ... some good publicity for us :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> well i think most of you know i just moved to a new organization with a rather interesting roles
[02:43] <jsgotangco> err role
[02:44] <pips1> you did? tell us more..
[02:44] <jsgotangco> pips1: planet.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <ogra> pips1, you dont read planet ? 
[02:44] <jsgotangco> ;)
[02:44] <jsgotangco> well we're going to get 300 PCs this weekend
[02:44] <pips1> nah, I need to get my newsfeeds sorted out yet
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i just want to ask how difficult would it be to make my own derivative with artwork stuff only changed and some stuff on yelp
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: I have replaced all your os.popen calls
[02:45] <ogra> cbx33, thanks a lot !
[02:45] <pips1> (I recently did a fresh install and still need to finish configuring thunderbird to the full)
[02:45] <cbx33> jsgotangco: sounds like your talking about branding it?
[02:45] <ogra> looking forward to upload it 
[02:45] <jsgotangco> cbx33: bingo
[02:45] <jsgotangco> but only for a proof of concept for now
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: they are all subprocesses now
[02:45] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I started speccing up ubrander....
[02:45] <ogra> jsgotangco, just take edubuntu-artwork an modify it
[02:46] <cbx33> which was going to be a branding utility
[02:46] <cbx33> which did exactly what ogra just said
[02:46] <jsgotangco> i've done my own cds before but never added a custom package
[02:46] <jsgotangco> i was thinking just changing what's inside an existing package
[02:48] <cbx33> jsgotangco: :D
[02:48] <jsgotangco> well anyway, just a heads up im basically working on edubuntu on an almost full time capacity but on a different role
[02:49] <jsgotangco> RichEd knows all the details
[02:49] <cbx33> nice jsgotangco ... me is working more and more on it
[02:49] <cbx33> thought I shouldn't
[02:49] <cbx33> I have a tonne of other work to do
[02:49] <cbx33> but I don;t care
[02:49] <cbx33> SCP is my concern right now
[02:49] <pips1> jsgotangco: congrats!
[02:50] <jsgotangco> its basically "go nuts" job type of thing
[02:50] <cbx33> jsgotangco: lucky guy! 
[02:50] <jsgotangco> anyway just to let you guys know
[02:51] <cbx33> and it all works
[02:51] <jsgotangco> ok brb
[02:52] <cbx33> right next on the agenda ?
[02:52] <RichEd> just come comments from me on jsgotangco and his new role:
[02:52] <RichEd> it's an organisation workong with televisual education, moving towards ICT education
[02:53] <RichEd> we've got a partner in the NEPAD eSchools Project doing similar in Africa - called mindset
[02:53] <RichEd> we've got a user base in Thailand doing similar in - called sat-ed
[02:54] <jsgotangco> but these two use proprietary technologies
[02:54] <cbx33> wow excellent RichEd 
[02:54] <RichEd> So I've linked all people in the same role in three orgnisations into a conversation to share lessons and plans moving forwards
[02:55] <jsgotangco> we're going to attempt to do the same with a F/OSS model
[02:55] <RichEd> So people like jsgotangco can show them how to move off "proprietary technologies"
[02:55] <flint> RichEd, ...as in Windows...
[02:55] <RichEd> The power of the community and brokering relationships at a "deliver results level" is as important as our great software platform
[02:56] <cbx33> hi flint 
[02:56] <ogra> flint, !!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:56] <flint> Just got back from the Airport...
[02:56] <RichEd> They go hand in hand for a complementary solution.
[02:56] <ogra> nice to see you !
[02:56] <RichEd> greetz flint.
[02:56] <flint> ogra, thanks!
[02:57] <flint> RichEd, same.  Doing things with Rivendel Radio and Edubuntu...
[02:57] <flint> er Rivendell
[02:57] <RichEd> great ,,, anything you can share now ... or later to me via email ?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> ok i
[02:57] <jsgotangco> ok i'll brb again
[02:58] <RichEd> flint: web links etc. would be nice
[02:58] <flint> Things are getting better here in Barre, Vermont.  I will have a lab up again in a few months..
[02:58] <flint> TiddlyWiki...
[02:59] <flint> RichEd,  TiddlyWiki is what I would use at this time.
[03:00] <RichEd> okay.
[03:00] <RichEd> Any docs / artwork news updates ?
[03:01] <flint> RichEd, I am building the house to revise the documentation in... derivative, yes, but basicall on task. :^)
[03:02] <pips1> hi flint (just reading up on your TW suggestion...)
[03:02] <RichEd> Okay any other Agenda Items before I do Management / Community and then wrap ----
[03:02] <flint> pips1, thanks for noticing.  most powerful...
[03:04] <RichEd> --- management and community --- merged
[03:04] <ogra> yeah, what about artwork ?
[03:04] <cbx33> ok artwork
[03:04] <ogra> official deadline would e tomorrow ... (i think we can slip that for edubuntu a bit)
[03:04] <cbx33> Lisa has asked me to talk to you all today
[03:04] <ogra> but it starts getting urgent
[03:04] <cbx33> I understand that
[03:04] <cbx33> so does Lisa
[03:05] <cbx33> she has been mega swamped with paid work, but is getting through it
[03:05] <cbx33> Jane, has been swamped too, and had other issues which meant she was unable to work a lot on it
[03:05] <cbx33> I'm going to be helping out as soon as I finish SCP
[03:05] <cbx33> the photo sessions went well
[03:05] <ogra> right, rodarvus told me
[03:05] <cbx33> until it started to rain
[03:06] <cbx33> we got some photos we're manipulation them as we speak
[03:06] <ogra> cool
[03:06] <pips1> cbx33: looking forward to see them
[03:06] <cbx33> Lisa was hoping for a little more input from the community on some of the wallpapers previously....but we'll get you something great
[03:07] <pips1> cbx33: link for wallpapers?
[03:07] <cbx33> I think it's been pretty bewildering .... she has been under a lot of stress from her bosses
[03:07] <cbx33> pips1 I'll dig it out in a sec
[03:07] <cbx33> basically we're pretty confident we'll deliver
[03:07] <cbx33> splash/usplash/wallpaper
[03:07] <cbx33> and the two variants of the wallapaper for young/old themes
[03:08] <cbx33> there was still contention on what exactly the usplash artwork could be formatted like
[03:08] <cbx33> we have heard little back on that
[03:08] <ogra> yeah, its likely to be more than 16 cols ... 
[03:08] <ogra> but still not sure afaik
[03:09] <cbx33> please please can we get that information
[03:09] <cbx33> I have been trying on lisas behalf
[03:09] <pips1> splash / gdm screens --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette 
[03:09] <ogra> cbx33, ask mjg59 
[03:09] <cbx33> as I know a lot of the artwork people
[03:09] <cbx33> ok
[03:09] <cbx33> oh and the new ubuntusounds will be in knot3 :D
[03:09] <pips1> wallpaper (?) --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Worksheet
[03:09] <ogra> pips1, right thats what i know as well... but no wallpapers
[03:10] <ogra> oh, right
[03:11] <cbx33> that was the manga-esque wallapaper
[03:11] <cbx33> possibly for use in the young theme
[03:11] <ogra> has a slight religious touch ...
[03:12] <cbx33> you think?
[03:12] <cbx33> it was meant to show power of ubuntu
[03:13] <flint> cbx33, could you try a wild idea of for me?
[03:14] <cbx33> heheh
[03:14] <RichEd> maybe "one love religious" but certainly not worship a specific flavour of deity .. so I'm okay with that
[03:15] <cbx33> I'm not dacing on the table with a chainsaw in my hand
[03:15] <ogra> oh, btw, this meeting is an EC meeting ....
[03:15] <flint> cbx33, Na, I did that already, this is an art theme idea.  try a "wizards" theme
[03:15] <cbx33> wizards?
[03:15] <flint> :^)
[03:15] <ogra> we'll have to process membership candidates if there are any
[03:16] <flint> please just ask Lisa to try it... 
[03:16] <flint> ogra, Ollie I never give up!
[03:16] <cbx33> ok I'll ask her
[03:16] <cbx33> if she has time
[03:17] <flint> cbx33, it is for me less about the time and more about the goodness of inspiration... 
[03:18] <flint> cbx33, I do like the tree in the background. That is very good.
[03:18] <cbx33> flint: I can but ask
[03:19] <cbx33> I hope to have some artowkr to show by Friday
[03:20] <cbx33> We'll try for late thurs actually
[03:20] <flint> ogra, Ollie, do you think Lisa could add a dash of Wicken to satisfy your religious proclivities?
[03:20] <flint> :^)
[03:21] <cbx33> ogra: would it help if I emailed you the latest 0.41 release of SCP to be uploaded to universe - I can't upload anywhere, due to the schools restrictions
[03:21] <ogra> sure
[03:21] <flint> cbx I came late.  SCP is Secure Copy Program eh?
[03:21] <cbx33> what files do you want?
[03:21] <cbx33> Student Control Panel
[03:22] <ogra> i need orig.tar.gz, .dsc and diff.gz
[03:22] <cbx33> ok got it
[03:22] <cbx33> I'll get them to you ASAP
[03:22] <ogra> ad add a proper changelog entyr ;)
[03:22] <ogra> *entry
[03:22] <flint> Oh, sorry... of course...
[03:22] <pips1> erm, the meeting is kind of fizzling... thrown sideways by flint, as usual ;-)
[03:22] <cbx33> ogra: - dude, already done :p
[03:22] <flint> pips1, it is my job... thanks!
[03:22] <pips1> hehe
[03:23] <flint> RichEd, I suspect I have done enough damage to your agenda, where were we?
[03:23] <RichEd> --- management and community --- last section 
[03:24] <jono> :P
[03:24] <RichEd> As per the meeting last week ... all division heads have prepared a 1 year strategic plan for review over October by mark
[03:24] <ogra> RichEd, and edubuntu council afterwards in case we have applicants for membership ...
[03:25] <ogra> (its the first meeting in the month)
[03:25] <RichEd> It internal until the review is done, but will make its way to public when review is complete.
[03:26] <RichEd> This planning is leading to a structure which is emerging nicely, and various discussions are helping shape this.
[03:26] <RichEd> Notably : Jono Bacon our new Community Manager .... welcome to jono who started on Monday !
[03:27] <pips1> hi jono
[03:27] <cbx33> JONO !!!
[03:27] <cbx33> hey dude
[03:27] <jono> :)
[03:27] <RichEd> cbx33 is giving input from his side, as a community member and "school IT staff member"
[03:27] <ogra> hey jono 
[03:28] <jono> heya
[03:28] <RichEd> and importantly, our web volunteer pips1 who is playing an important role
[03:28] <jono> cool
[03:28] <jono> I think we need to talk about LoCo teams and education at some point
[03:28] <RichEd> The first big focus is:
[03:29] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[03:29] <highvoltage> sorry for missing the meeting
[03:29] <RichEd> * identify our categories of Ubuntu Education users and Edubntu users
[03:29] <pips1> hi highvoltage, it's still going on
[03:29] <RichEd> * profile the categories to analyse needs
[03:29] <ogra> highvoltage, and its EC meeting day ...
[03:30] <RichEd> And then built a welcoming front for each type of category.
[03:30] <cbx33> ogra: email on it's way
[03:30] <cbx33> brb guys
[03:30] <RichEd> This approach will allow us to grow our community, and create spaces for common conversations.
[03:31] <highvoltage> ogra: any candidates today? I saw one person signing up for the members team, but didn't know them, and his activity also seemed low
[03:31] <RichEd> So pips and I will release a link at the next meeting, with the structure in a publically accessible location
[03:32] <ogra> highvoltage, right ... but RichEd should probably apply :)
[03:32] <highvoltage> +1!
[03:32] <RichEd> Detailing the focus points moving forwards. We'll chat it through at the meeting, and solicit comments.
[03:33] <RichEd> From next week on, there will be be a place that anyone can see what top level activities are planned.
[03:33] <RichEd> And offer comments, suggestions, or opposing viewpoints.
[03:33] <cbx33> hehehe
[03:34] <RichEd> So I'll leave it for now ... with one last request:
[03:35] <RichEd> Who here would like to add input to our initial list of user categories ? It would require a 5 minute email response.
[03:35] <cbx33> ahh
[03:35] <cbx33> good call RichEd 
[03:35] <jsgotangco> oh wow
[03:35] <jsgotangco> I FORGOT ITS EC DAY
[03:35] <flint> RichEd, send it to me.  I would be interested... flint@flint.com
[03:35] <RichEd> Please email me at richard.edubuntu@gmail.com if you would like to be in the list.
[03:35] <cbx33> ogra: sorry to change the subject slightly...now we have removed all os.popen calls
[03:35] <jono> jsgotangco, thanks for the mail to loco-contacts btw :)
[03:35] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: don't feel too bad, I missed about 90% of it too
[03:36] <RichEd> Strange things pop out from different people ... like iCafe's that run Edubuntu becuase of LTSP
[03:36] <cbx33> shall we put SCP for main inclusion?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: go nuts
[03:36] <highvoltage> RichEd: there are quite a number of them
[03:36] <RichEd> Things we don't normally immediately associate with Education
[03:36] <highvoltage> RichEd: we're rolling out a 1000 of them next year
[03:36] <cbx33> anyone who wants to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionStudentControlPanel :D
[03:36] <RichEd> nice .... veryhighvoltage !
[03:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: 0.o
[03:37] <ogra> cbx33, yes ! :)
[03:37] <RichEd> And my last comment for today ... been getting around to setting up a blog of the person behind the nick ...
[03:37] <cbx33> does the report look ok?
[03:37] <ogra> cbx33, probably remove the reference t bootchart at the top ;)
[03:37] <cbx33> doh !
[03:38] <RichEd> And now jono is nagging me ... so it will be up asap to get him off my back ;)
[03:38] <ogra> and drop the build-depends note
[03:38] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan, this looks very good.
[03:38] <jono> RichEd, :P
[03:38] <RichEd> I'll let you know where it is located 1) on the fridge 2) in the next meeting
[03:39] <pips1> RichEd :)
[03:39] <RichEd> This got lost above: 'Open source firmly on education agenda' http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=1146
[03:39] <cbx33> ogra: done
[03:39] <jsgotangco> yeah yeah we all know you're now a star
[03:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:39] <RichEd> An interview done via email 2 weeks ago ... made its way to live.
[03:39] <cbx33> I'll add it to the list
[03:39] <RichEd> --- okay I'm done ----
[03:40] <RichEd> Comments ? Questions ?
[03:40] <RichEd> Or else we can move onto council. Who runs that ?
[03:40] <cbx33> ogra: where's thelist to add it to?
[03:40] <ogra> cbx33, fine, add it to the queue
[03:40] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[03:41] <jsgotangco> do we have council qorum
[03:41] <ogra> RichEd, well, usually me ... or JaneW :)
[03:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'Re three of five
[03:41] <ogra> (yes she's still a council member)
[03:41] <jsgotangco> cool i get to exercise my voting powers again
[03:41] <jsgotangco> muhahaha
[03:41] <jsgotangco> after having all these EC meetings at 4am
[03:41] <RichEd> well you can just add a Mr in front to make it Mr JaneW
[03:42] <highvoltage> i'd like to make a suggestion
[03:42] <ogra> not before MrJaneW has his membership :P
[03:42] <ogra> highvoltage, shoot
[03:42] <highvoltage> sorry, lost my connection there for a while
[03:43] <highvoltage> perhaps we should extent the EC again by the end of next month?
[03:43] <highvoltage> i think there are worthy candidates
[03:43] <ogra> why ? we never had quorum probs yet
[03:43] <ogra> or do you mean extending the meeting frequency ? 
[03:43] <highvoltage> and we wanted it more than 5 initially
[03:44] <highvoltage> ogra: extending EC members
[03:44] <jsgotangco> we do?
[03:44] <ogra> i think 5 is totally sufficient
[03:44] <ogra> but we need to replace JaneW's position if she cant participate anymore
[03:44] <highvoltage> ok, no problem then. I just remember you saying we should ideally have more than 5, gra
[03:45] <highvoltage> yep
[03:45] <ogra> i only said we should have more community members than employees
[03:45] <highvoltage> ok
[03:45] <ogra> which led to 5 with two employed members
[03:45] <jsgotangco> but since JaneW is not employed anymore thats 4 against 1
[03:45] <ogra> and as long as we dont face quorum probs, we should go on as is
[03:46] <jsgotangco> let's discuss it again if we encounter quorum issues
[03:46] <ogra> right
[03:46] <ogra> soooo
[03:46] <RichEd> I don't think JaneW has daytime IRC access out of her new office
[03:46] <highvoltage> ok, that sounds logical
[03:46] <jsgotangco> we're spread enough to get quorum
[03:46] <ogra> ANY MEMBER CANDIDATES AROUND ????????
[03:46] <RichEd> jono ?
[03:46] <ogra> jono became ubuntu member yesterday iirc
[03:47] <highvoltage> RichEd: can you please sign your ubuntu CoC?
[03:47] <ogra> if he applies for edubuntu membership as well we dont need to vote, just enabling him is fine here
[03:48] <RichEd> highvoltage: sure ... i'm happy to go through the necessary steps required
[03:48] <ogra> right, RichEd you will need a wikipage outlining your contributions and a signed CoC
[03:48] <RichEd> okay ... i wasn't sure previously if the contri's had to be technical ...
[03:49] <RichEd> mine will be more under guidance and relationships
[03:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: things like that tectonic artile also counts- it's advocacy
[03:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: so list every thing you can think of
[03:50] <RichEd> fine ... will sort it out this evening
[03:50] <jsgotangco> go sulk first lol
[03:50] <ogra> we can have an extraordinary EC meeting fo you if you are done and quorum is around ...
[03:51] <RichEd> I'm done ...
[03:51] <ogra> ok, seems the EC to for today
[03:51] <jsgotangco> bleah
[03:51] <jsgotangco> no action
[03:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, make  suggestion 
[03:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: calm before the storm :)
[03:52] <ogra> something we can vote on ...
[03:52] <RichEd> why does the edubuntu wiki take me to a ubuntu community council page ? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/CommunityCouncil
[03:52] <jsgotangco> okay let's vote if cbx33 is your daddy or not
[03:53] <cbx33> heheh
[03:53] <highvoltage> RichEd: it's the same wiki
[03:53] <highvoltage> try /EdubuntuCouncil
[03:53] <RichEd> :)
[03:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, my daddy ? 
[03:53] <ogra> or whose ? 
[03:54] <cbx33> heheh
[03:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: lol!!
[03:54] <pips1> highvoltage: I also can't find the Edubuntu Council wiki page.... where is it?
[03:54] <cbx33> hmmm....
[03:55] <jsgotangco> anyways
[03:55] <jsgotangco> if EC is done i have a query
[03:55] <pips1> ah https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[03:55] <cbx33> thank you to everyone who helped on SCP, it was a massive community effort
[03:55] <pips1> highvoltage: I found it ^^^
[03:55] <highvoltage> that's the one :)
[03:56] <ogra> cbx33, no, it was your effort with some community help :)
[03:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: you should blog about it :)
[03:56] <ogra> ++
[03:56] <cbx33> I was going to
[03:56] <cbx33> now that 0.4 is in universe
[03:56] <ogra> feel free to quote my last sentence in bold letters ;)
[03:56] <cbx33> ogra: ping me when 0.41 gets in and I will
[03:56] <ogra> you tested it ? 
[03:56] <rodarvus> cbx33, are you going to call it 0.41 or 0.4.1?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> what's the package name?
[03:56] <pips1> phew, this meeting took 2 hours..! 
[03:56] <cbx33> Ja, I mailed you the 0.41 release files
[03:57] <rodarvus> 0.41 > 0.5
[03:57] <pips1> moving to #edubuntu
[03:57] <highvoltage> "++" ?
[03:57] <ogra> cool
[03:57] <jsgotangco> last queryyyyy
[03:57] <ogra> highvoltage, :P
[03:57] <cbx33> once you have uploaded 0.41 I'll blog about it
[03:57] <jsgotangco> psstt
[03:57] <ogra> cbx33, oh, rodarvus is right 
[03:57] <ogra> make that 0.4.1 
[03:57] <pips1> jsgotangco: ?
[03:57] <ogra> 41 > 5
[03:57] <cbx33> want me to rebuild?
[03:57] <jsgotangco> edubuntu website
[03:57] <ogra> yes please
[03:58] <cbx33> *bah* :p
[03:58] <jsgotangco> what's the mastah plan
[03:58] <ogra> sorry
[03:58] <ogra> i should have spotted that
[03:58] <RichEd> still can't find that edubuntu council page ...
[03:58] <ogra> i dont think there is one
[03:58] <ogra> unless any EC member made one 
[03:59] <ogra> there is only a LP page 
[03:59] <highvoltage> RichEd: check the page that pips1 pasted
[03:59] <pips1> jsgotangco: the master plan will evolve... as RichEd said, we will start with identifying the user groups...
[03:59] <cbx33> ogra: done and emailed !
[03:59] <highvoltage> RichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[04:00] <RichEd> did that ... takes me to : https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members
[04:00] <cbx33> brb
[04:00] <pips1> ^^^^ Membership Candidates are supposed to list themselves at the bottom of the Meeting Agenda  page
[04:00] <ogra> cbx33, thanks
[04:01] <pips1> .... in the wiki, not in Launpad. LP lists all people that have been accepted, afaik
[04:03] <jsgotangco> brb
[04:04] <highvoltage> meeting adjourned?
[04:05] <pips1> I guess so... I need to go... bye everyone.
[04:05] <jono> sorry was on the phone
[04:05] <jono> I have a meeting in 10 mins
[04:06] <RichEd-1> lost my adsl ... just back now ... where do we stand with the vote / nominate 
[05:32] <Hawkwind> @schedule chicago
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 07 Sep 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Sep 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 15:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 15:00: Edubuntu | 14 Sep 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Sep 07:00: Community Council
[07:25] <niKsternal> @schedule chicago
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 07 Sep 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Sep 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 15:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 15:00: Edubuntu | 14 Sep 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Sep 07:00: Community Council
[08:35] <jjesse> @schedule detroit
[08:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 07 Sep 17:00: Kubuntu | 07 Sep 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 16:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 16:00: Edubuntu | 14 Sep 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Sep 08:00: Community Council
[09:04] <lloydinho> Yo, mdke !
[09:05] <mdke> hi lloydinho 
[09:05] <mdke> who else is here?
[09:05] <lloydinho> uhm.. jjesse was ready for meeting just a minute ago.
[09:06] <mdke> let's hang around and see if anyone else turns up
[09:06] <lloydinho> for some reason the meeting isn't announced by Ubugtu 
[09:07] <lloydinho> slightly confuzzling.
[09:08] <mdke> i 
[09:08] <mdke> c
[09:09] <mdke> it's been on the fridge though, and those who read the list should know about it, and they are the ones that count :)
[09:09] <lloydinho> true. I'm sure they're around, though.
[09:10] <lloydinho> At least a couple of them. Who would we expect to be here?
[09:12] <mdke> no idea
[09:15] <Seveas> the doc meeting isn't being announced because accordint to the fridge it's in #ubuntu-doc and not in here
[09:17] <lloydinho> hmm
[09:18] <lloydinho> this is unfortunate. We really did need to have a meeting.
[09:18] <jjesse> i'm here
[09:18] <jjesse> sorry was in another window
[09:18] <mdke> Seveas: ok, np
[09:21] <lloydinho> mdke, jjesse : Meeting in ubuntu-doc after all?
[09:21] <jjesse> i can move there
[09:21] <mdke> yeah, let's talk through the issues informally