[12:09] <ajmitch> since elmo doesn't appear to really be active
[12:09] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:09] <ajmitch> probably
[12:09] <Hobbsee> that should now be active quroum, yay
[12:09] <ajmitch> great, they're here
[12:12] <LaserJock> is the CC, umm happening?
[12:13] <trappist> sorta
[12:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, once everyone gets settled in
[12:13] <trappist> I think we're waiting on the rest of the cc
[12:13] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[12:13] <LaserJock> I thought I was late
[12:13] <ajmitch> trappist: enough of the CC is there
[12:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nah, mako was just busy, elmo was trying to track him down
[12:13] <Hobbsee> once they get off the phone, anyawy
[12:13] <LaserJock> I might be afk  here and there
[12:27] <LaserJock> ok, this might be a silly question
[12:27] <LaserJock> can you run kernel modules for a different kernel in a chroot?
[12:27] <trappist> no
[12:27] <trappist> the chroot uses your running kernel, it's not a virualized environment
[12:28] <LaserJock> if I were to run Xen could I use a different kernel?
[12:28] <LaserJock> the thing is, I really want to run Ubuntu on a particular machine, but I have one thing that needs a 2.4 kernel
[12:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you'd still have to run a special domU kernel for the xen guest
[12:29] <ajmitch> which for us is the same as the dom0
[12:29] <bddebian> Later folks
[12:30] <bddebian> Someone please push welshbyte and trappist for me at the meeting :-)
[12:30] <bddebian> Sorry for bailing welshbyte
[12:30] <welshbyte> heh :)
[12:31] <ajmitch> I don't know enough of what they've done :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: bughunter
[12:31] <trappist> ajmitch: would pulling for me be more appropriate? :)
[12:43] <cbx33> what does W: changelog-should-mention-nmu actually mean
[12:44] <cbx33> and W: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.4
[12:44] <Hobbsee> cbx33: you can ignore it.  in debian, people are only allowed to upload things if they're the maintainer, on the uploaders list for that package
[12:45] <Hobbsee> or they can NMU, which means non-maintainer upload
[12:45] <cbx33> thanks Hobbsee
[12:45] <cbx33> one more Hobbsee
[12:45] <cbx33> debian-rules-missing-required-target binary-arch
[12:45] <Hobbsee> cbx33: what version number is the package?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> usually they'll version with .1, hence the incorrect version number
[12:45] <cbx33> 0.4
[12:45] <cbx33> it was 0.3
[12:45] <Hobbsee> er, pass?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> should be 0.4-0ubuntu1 anyway
[12:45] <cbx33> but I just implemented a major spec
[12:45] <cbx33> oh.....ok.....
[12:46] <cbx33> the original pacakge in ubuntu was 0.3
[12:46] <Hobbsee> oh.  weird
[12:46] <Hobbsee> a native package or something?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> (it usually ends in ubuntu1)
[12:46] <cbx33> :S
[12:46] <cbx33> I'm not sure
[12:46] <cbx33> it was written for edubuntu
[12:46] <cbx33> student-control-panel in universe
[12:46] <Hobbsee> if the last package version was 0.3, feel free to make this one 0.4
[12:46] <cbx33> ok
[12:47] <cbx33> what about the debian-rules-missing-required-target binary-arch
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[12:47] <Hobbsee> it's obviously something in debian/rules
[12:47] <cbx33> ok
[12:47] <cbx33> yeh
[12:47] <Hobbsee> unless you took the binary arch target out
[12:47] <redguy> got one packaging question myself
[12:48] <Hobbsee> redguy: shoot
[12:48] <redguy> what if upstream tarball contains files with mtime 1 jan 1970
[12:48] <redguy> ?
[12:48] <cbx33> Hobbsee, there was never a binary-arch in there
[12:48] <redguy> tar complains about it when running dh_make
[12:48] <Hobbsee> cbx33: odd
[12:49] <Hobbsee> cbx33: are you using build-deps-indep or something weird?
[12:49] <LaserJock> ah
[12:49] <cbx33> LaserJock, any ideas?
[12:49] <LaserJock> do you have a binary-arch rule in debian/rules?
[12:50] <cbx33> hmm....lemme check
[12:50] <cbx33> nope
[12:50] <cbx33> binary-indep: build install
[12:50] <cbx33> binary: binary-indep
[12:50] <cbx33> that's it
[12:50] <cbx33> should I add
[12:50] <LaserJock> just a sec
[12:50] <cbx33> binary-arch: binary-indep ?
[12:51] <redguy> i did touch <the offending files>, and rebuilt the tarball myself. Is this what I should have done?
[12:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, just put an empty binary-arch:
[12:51] <cbx33> ok
[12:51] <LaserJock> and yes, it is required according to Debian Policy
[12:52] <cbx33> ok
[12:52] <cbx33> what is the current deb-helper version?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !info debhelper edgy
[12:52] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.37.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 499 kB, installed size 1264 kB
[12:52] <Hobbsee> cbx33: 5.0.37
[12:52] <cbx33> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)
[12:52] <cbx33> should I put 5.0.37 ?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> yeah.  or just >=5
[12:54] <cbx33> just building my .deb :D
[12:58] <crimsun> lovely, my current meeting is ongoing
[12:59] <Fujitsu_> Ah, hi crimsun.
[12:59] <Fujitsu_> I was hoping you'd appear :)
[01:00] <crimsun> sorry, real life meeting was kicking my butt; it's better now
[01:02] <Fujitsu_> OK... I was delayed getting here by the rain causing trains to be a bit unuseful.
[01:06] <welshbyte> meep
[01:06] <crimsun> 'grats trappist
[01:06] <trappist> thanks crimsun :)
[01:06] <Fujitsu_> Yeah, congratulations trappist.
[01:08] <gnomefreak> good luck Fujitsu_  and congrats trappist
[01:08] <Fujitsu_> Thanks gnomefreak.
[01:09] <Fujitsu_> Thanks crimsun :)
[01:09] <Plug> How often are CC meetings?
[01:09] <LaserJock> every 2 weeks I think
[01:10] <Fujitsu_> Generally, although it went 5 weeks without one.
[01:13] <crimsun> sorry, need to return to the meeting. I've already posted "pro" 5 minutes ago in -meeting, so if necessary just repaste
[01:24] <Riddell> gnome types: what's gct?
[01:31] <LaserJock> way to go Fujitsu
[01:32] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu_: congrats sorry i missed it dinner was waiting
[01:36] <Fujitsu_> No problem, gnomefreak :)
[01:36] <Fujitsu_> Thanks both of you :)
[01:36] <LaserJock> has anybody done a Knot2 install?
[01:37] <LaserJock> welshbyte: did you use the desktop cd?
[01:37] <LaserJock> and what flavor
[01:37] <welshbyte> nope, alternate, and amd64
[01:37] <LaserJock> Ubuntu?
[01:37] <gnomefreak> doesnt gksu use the su password and gksudo use the user password?
[01:37] <welshbyte> yeah
[01:38] <LaserJock> I'm trying alternate i386 Kubuntu and it keeps dying on me
[01:38] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: alternate i386 worked for me
[01:38] <welshbyte> LaserJock: "dying"?
[01:39] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: from the man page "gksu is a frontend to su and gksudo is a frontend to sudo"
[01:39] <LaserJock> welshbyte: "Processing was halted becauase there were too many erors"
[01:40] <LaserJock> pkgsel
[01:40] <LaserJock> so at the end of installing everything
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ty thats what i though
[01:40] <gnomefreak> t
[01:40] <welshbyte> strange.. does it give any more info on another tty?
[01:40] <LaserJock> well, that is the tty
[01:41] <welshbyte> sometimes errors/messages get dumped to a different one
[01:41] <tseng> hey
[01:41] <welshbyte> hey tseng
[01:41] <tseng> anyone have ideas about a new dapper 6.06.1 install rearranging interfaces
[01:41] <LaserJock> in the installer it says  it failed on step "Select and install software"
[01:41] <tseng> network interfaces
[01:41] <tseng> old eth0 is now eth1
[01:42] <LaserJock> I don't think I ever had that
[01:42] <tseng> *one* port from a four port pci card moved ahread of the two onboard nics
[01:42] <LaserJock> but I lost all network on edgy
[01:43] <LaserJock> I'm really frustrated these days
[01:43] <LaserJock> I can't seem to get Ubuntu boxen up and going
[01:44] <tseng> oh nice
[01:44] <tseng>  /etc/iftab
[01:44] <tseng> rename by mac
[01:45] <tseng> who knows why the order sucks
[01:45] <tseng> i wonder if i remove this
[01:45] <tseng> it will go back to whatever linux wants
[01:47] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I got a bad burn, I ran the checker thing and it failed
[01:47] <LaserJock> but the md5sum of the .iso is good
[01:48] <geser> i'm currently looking at the unmet deps of libao-polyp
[01:48] <redguy> any hints on dealing with an upstream tarball containing some files which have their mtime set to 1 Jan 1970?
[01:48] <welshbyte> i think the checks are failing as a bug... my knot2 install disc failed so i burned it again, same thing, but the MD5sum matched so i just installed and it's going fine
[01:48] <geser> one of its build-depends isn't available anymore
[01:48] <LaserJock> welshbyte: stink
[01:49] <geser> what to do with it? request a remove?
[01:49] <welshbyte> LaserJock: yup :/
[01:49] <LaserJock> and installing on this stupid machine takes forever
[01:52] <welshbyte> geser: what's it build-depending on?
[01:53] <geser> libpolyp-dev
[01:53] <geser> part of polypaudio which was removed on 2005-12-21 from dapper
[01:54] <welshbyte> geser: didn't it change its name to pulse audio?
[01:55] <geser> I don't know
[01:56] <geser> there seems to be no package for pulse audio
[01:56] <welshbyte> hm maybe that's irrelevant anyway..
[01:56] <welshbyte> sorry my brain isn't working, been awake for far too long
[01:57] <geser> currently libao-polyp is uninstallable and unbuildable in edgy
[02:03] <tseng> LaserJock: the secret is /etc/iftab btw
[02:03] <LaserJock> to what?
[02:03] <tseng> LaserJock: if you remove it linux does whatever it feels like
[02:03] <tseng> as far as naming interfaces
[02:03] <tseng> s/remove/comment
[02:03] <LaserJock> I see
[02:03] <tseng> yessir
[02:03] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what happened to my machine
[02:04] <LaserJock> it looked like everything was set up and the card was working
[02:04] <LaserJock> but nada
[02:05] <LaserJock> hmm, I think it might have been the card
[02:05] <LaserJock> I just started up the edgy installer for the 4th time today
[02:05] <LaserJock> and finally got it to see my hostname
[02:07] <tseng> interesting
[02:09] <tseng> brilliant, this box claims to have previously had 4 bonded interfaces by my records
[02:09] <tseng> it has 8 total interfaces and one is reserved for management
[02:10] <tseng> 7/2 is not a whole number
[02:10] <Fujitsu_> AHa.
[02:10] <LaserJock> bah, who needs all that math stuff? ;-p
[02:10] <tseng> its just that it appears that someone had an interface bonded
[02:10] <tseng> with no other interface
[02:11] <tseng> a bond is > 1 interface
[02:11] <plugwash> maybe the management interface was an afterthought?
[02:11] <tseng> no, its absolutely useless w/o it
[02:12] <Fujitsu_> 4 interfaces as the product of bonding, or 4 interfaces involved in bonding?
[02:12] <tseng> 4 total bondN interfaces
[02:12] <tseng> the first one
[02:12] <Fujitsu_> Hm.
[02:13] <tseng> its ok, my coworkers arent really linux gurus
[02:13] <tseng> i get to sort it out afterwards
[02:25] <welshbyte> good night guys, thanks for the support :)
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:11] <phanatic> does a native english speaker have time for proofreading a short article?
[03:11] <phanatic> hey bddebian and Hobbsee
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya phanatic and Hobbsee :-)
[03:11] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[03:12] <Fujitsu_> phanatic, I can.
[03:12] <Fujitsu_> And hi, Hobbsee :)
[03:12] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hey phanatic
[03:12] <Hobbsee> phanatic: sure, where's the link?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:12] <LaserJock> hi bddebian Hobbsee and everybody else
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[03:12] <Hobbsee> he also manages to make time a hell of a lot slower, too
[03:13] <Fujitsu_> Pfft.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu_
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock :)
[03:13] <phanatic> Fujitsu_, Hobbsee: okay, i'll put it online then :)
[03:13] <Fujitsu_> I did something useful in my physics class this morning.
[03:13] <Fujitsu_> It was becoming a member.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: we get a different lecturer later in semester.  he's much better
[03:13] <Fujitsu_> Aha.
[03:13] <zul> physics? meh...you young'uns
[03:14] <Fujitsu_> Hey, 15 isn't /that/ young...
[03:14] <Fujitsu_> Well, maybe it is...
[03:15] <phanatic> Fujitsu_, Hobbsee: http://phanatic.hu/announcement_en.txt (maybe you'll need to change charset to utf-8 to display some bits properly)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> zul: indeed.  and you're old and decrepit
[03:16] <zul> happy bday to you too
[03:16] <phanatic> thanks :)
[03:16] <phanatic> please send me your corrections in a /query
[03:17] <phanatic> oh my, it's already 3:15am here :/
[03:18] <bddebian> So who got in today?
[03:19] <LaserJock> Fujitsu and welshbyte made Member
[03:19] <Fujitsu_> Yup :D
[03:19] <Hobbsee> phanatic: i just put it into kate, and will pastebin it?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:20] <bddebian> Great, congrats Fujitsu_
[03:20] <bddebian> trappist didn't get in?
[03:20] <phanatic> Hobbsee: would be perfect, thanks
[03:20] <Fujitsu_> Thanks for your support, bddebian :)
[03:20] <bddebian> NP
[03:20] <bddebian> Thanks for your efforts :-)
[03:20] <Fujitsu_> Thankyou for uploading some of my packages :)
[03:22] <Toadstool> wow Fujitsu_ and welshbyte are members now? congrats' :)
[03:22] <LaserJock> darn it, I can't seem to get anything done :(
[03:22] <Toadstool> I wish I had a permanent internet connection :/
[03:22] <zul> LaserJock: heh i think i can hear your wife calling you ;)
[03:23] <Toadstool> heh
[03:23] <LaserJock> zul: she already called a few minutes ago saying it was time for dinner
[03:23] <Fujitsu_> Thanks Toadstool.
[03:23] <zul> LaserJock: funny i can hear her too :)
[03:24] <Fujitsu_> It keeps telling me I'm trying to change the Assignee.
[03:24] <Fujitsu_> And then dies.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> phanatic: http://pastebin.ca/162023 looks good :)
[03:26] <LaserJock> Toadstool: good luck :-)
[03:26] <Toadstool> thx
[03:27] <phanatic> Hobbsee: thanks a lot :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> phanatic: not a problem :)  did you see the suggested change bit?
[03:28] <phanatic> Hobbsee: yes, i'll take your suggestion
[03:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:31] <phanatic> if i post it to -announce, will it be automatically dropped, or is there a chance to get through? :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> phanatic: where do you want it?  ubuntu-devel-announce?  if you're not subscribed to the list anyway, it'll bounce
[03:32] <Hobbsee> phanatic: give me what you want uploaded, and i'll try to send it.  i recall being subscribed to that
[03:32] <zul> phanatic: -devel-announce is moderated as far as i can tell
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[03:33] <phanatic> ubuntu-announce. this conference is intended for users, not developers...
[03:33] <phanatic> or just push it to the weekly news?
[03:36] <Burgundavia> what conference?
[03:36] <Burgundavia> as I moderate -news, I might be able to help you
[03:37] <Burgundavia> actually, the fridge is probably the best place for that
[03:39] <phanatic> Burgundavia: there will be an ubuntu conference in hungary. i just finished the announcement in english
[03:39] <Burgundavia> right, and I said that the fridge is probably the best place to announce it
[03:39] <Burgundavia> I can also carry it in the UWN
[03:40] <Burgundavia> need to add a section for  "upcoming events"
[03:40] <gnomefreak> is there a place to find out about dapper-proposed repos? or is it the same as normal repos with -proposed in it?
[03:40] <phanatic> Burgundavia: thanks. where shall i send the announcement?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> for the fridge? fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:41] <Burgundavia> for UWN, you can add it to the wiki page yourself (just a short summary, not the full thing)
[03:41] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13#preview
[03:42] <phanatic> thanks for the useful information, i was looking for these exactly :)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> no worries
[03:46] <phanatic> Burgundavia: so i should add a new section at the end called "upcoming events"?
[03:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:52] <Burgundavia> phanatic: you done editing?
[03:52] <phanatic> Burgundavia: doing it right now
[03:52] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[03:58] <phanatic> Burgundavia: done, but i discovered a typo in the announcement i sent to fridge-devel@
[03:58] <Burgundavia> phanatic: sent another email
[03:58] <phanatic> Burgundavia: okay, i'll resend it
[03:59] <Burgundavia> still needs to see a human editor to actually write the story
[04:01] <phanatic> Burgundavia: sure
[04:04] <phanatic> i run now... it's already 4am... night folks
[04:05] <Hobbsee> night phanatic
[04:40] <lukaswayne9> How can I apply a patch file?  Like the diffs that are ditributed with packages in launchpad?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> lukaswayne9: in the source dir:  patch -p1 < ../patch.debdiff
[04:41] <Hobbsee> lukaswayne9: often useful to run it with --dry-run first
[04:41] <lukaswayne9> thanks
[04:43] <lukaswayne9> where is the python distutils.core in edgy?
[04:43] <lukaswayne9> python-dev or something?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> lukaswayne9: check apt-cache search, or packages.ubuntu.com - i dont know offhand
[04:47] <lukaswayne9> i'm not near an edgy box, but thanks
[04:48] <Hobbsee> lukaswayne9: packages.ubuntu.com wont care.
[04:48] <lukaswayne9> thanks
[04:48] <lukaswayne9> that came out wrong, i'm really tired
[04:48] <lukaswayne9> but i'm checking now, thanks :)
[04:52] <ajmitch> amazing, someone retied the string
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[04:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: lower south island lost connectivity for ~4 hours, just came back
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh.  nice
[04:55] <sladen> ajmitch: you guys really only have *1* cable?
[04:56] <ajmitch> sladen: probably only 1 cable in this part of the country
[04:56] <ajmitch> this is NZ, you know
[04:56] <Hobbsee> yes, well
[04:56] <Hobbsee> surprising you get more than dialup
[04:56] <ajmitch> so am I
[04:56] <ajmitch> & we have to fight for that, too
[04:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:56] <Hobbsee> move to a nicer country :P
[04:57] <ajmitch> yes, like japan
[04:58] <ajmitch> I certainly wouldn't move to australia just for 'fast' internet access
[04:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:22] <LaserJock> I kept backing up and then just untaring in ~/
[05:22] <LaserJock> so it looks like ~/ inside of ~/ inside of ~/
[05:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i've done that too
[05:34] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, what's a differing upstream tarball got to do with anything?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: because if the debian tarball has a different md5sum to the ubuntu one, it wont overwrite, saying that it's already in the distro
[05:36] <Hobbsee> if it does, you'llhave to fake sync it
[05:36] <Hobbsee> also, i rejected teh krename merge - it's not
[05:37] <Fujitsu_> What's wrong with krename?
[05:39] <Fujitsu_> dh_iconcache is still a valid sync, isn't it?
[05:39] <Fujitsu_> Oops.
[05:39] <Fujitsu_> Valid change, not sync.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: packages that are built with cdbs, that dont include a debian/cdbs/1/* dont need to have dh_iconcache, as that got adopted in the cdbs package (because i put it there)
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> Ah.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> if it's using debhelper, or has a custom kde.mk, you need it still
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> That may want to be put somewhere so people can see it.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: done it
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> Ah, OK.
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> Thanks :(
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> *:)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> done about 3 of them, actually, cos i was testing out the request sync script
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: it was assigned to me, wasnt it?
[05:41] <Fujitsu_> What was?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> krename
[05:41] <Hobbsee> seeing as i made the last change
[05:44] <Fujitsu_> Hmm... The upstream tarball for kstreamripper has a new name, so it should work, shouldn't it?
[05:51] <crimsun> Fujitsu_: yes, it's a completely different source package
[05:51] <Fujitsu_> So it is OK to sync?
[05:51] <crimsun> yes
[05:52] <Fujitsu_> Care to confirm it, crimsun/Hobbsee?
[05:52] <crimsun> if I ever catch up to your flood, sure
[05:53] <Hobbsee> i did some a few days ago :P
[05:53] <Fujitsu_> OK, I did create a bit of a flood :(
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsui
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: it's okay, my list was longer :P
[05:55] <Fujitsu_> OK, I'm off to maths methods now...
[06:48] <Fujitsu_> Thanks for all the merges and sync acks, Hobbsee/crimsun :)
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <LaserJock> hello dholbach
[08:20] <dholbach> hi LaserJock
[08:21] <imbrandon> heay dholbach and LaserJock
[08:21] <dholbach> hi imbrandon
[08:22] <LaserJock> hola imbrandon
[09:00] <imbrandon> no more burning laptop ?
[09:00] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[09:00] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[09:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: heh, we just had Burning Man here
[09:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fan is still running pretty hot.  *shrugs*
[09:00] <imbrandon> hehe LaserJock i was there last year for burning man
[09:00] <imbrandon> some strange folks
[09:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> current temp says 50C
[09:01] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[09:01] <imbrandon> 50C nots too bad
[09:01] <Hobbsee> i've only just turned hte machine on though
[09:01] <Hobbsee> 54
[09:01] <imbrandon> 45 - 55
[09:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: this thing has been up to 90C before.  a while to go yet
[09:05] <imbrandon> wow 90, suprised it still works
[09:05] <Hobbsee> of course, ksensors may be reporting back wrong
[09:05] <Hobbsee> it tends to freeze up and die randomly when it gets that hot.
[09:05] <ajmitch> my old desktop ued to shutdown somewhere about 93C
[09:05] <imbrandon> 90 is not good at all , actualy above 60 it should auto shutoff
[09:05] <ajmitch> then when I was visiting .au, it shutdown permanently :)
[09:05] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:05] <Hobbsee> above 60?  wouldnt turn on much, if that were the case :P
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it's winterhere too - i wasnt watching it in summer
[09:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm doing a *full* backup now hehe.
[09:06] <ajmitch> 'winter'
[09:06] <ajmitch> so if we don't see you for awhile, we know what happened..
[09:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: picture my laptop sounding ten or twenty times sicker than when you were here.
[09:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:06] <ajmitch> uh
[09:06] <ajmitch> run away?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:09] <imbrandon> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
[09:09] <imbrandon> doh
[09:14] <Hobbsee> yay
[09:30] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[09:30] <xerxas> slomo, u there ?
[09:30] <xerxas> does anyone knows how to package mozilla extensions ?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> xerxas: examine how the others are done?
[09:32] <xerxas> Hobbsee, I had a quick look
[09:32] <xerxas> it's done differently
[09:32] <xerxas> and most are synced from debian
[09:33] <grexk_> hello xerxas
[09:33] <xerxas> Hi grexk_
[09:35] <xerxas> I would like to package freenigma
[09:35] <xerxas> it's a gpg extension for webmails inside firefox
[09:43] <imbrandon> xerxas, its already packaged
[09:44] <imbrandon> mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail
[09:44] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail
[09:44] <imbrandon> to use it
[09:44] <xerxas> imbrandon, not enigmail, freenigma
[09:44] <xerxas> freenigma integrates with webmails
[09:44] <xerxas> like gmail
[09:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:44] <xerxas> it adds a button to encrypt the content of the form
[09:49] <TheMuso> Why bother integrating with gmail when gmail has POP3?
[09:49] <xerxas> why not ? :)
[09:49] <xerxas> I like gmail web interface
[09:50] <xerxas> messages group by conversation ordered by date, it's really a productive environment
[10:36] <slomo> xerxas: yes
[10:37] <Fujitsu> kdegraphics is really taking its time to build...
[10:37] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ;)
[10:38] <imbrandon> kde* takes time to build , but good things come to those that wait , right ? hehe
[10:41] <xerxas> hi slomo
[10:41] <xerxas> slomo, do you know elisa ?
[10:42] <slomo> i don't think so, why? :)
[10:42] <Arbiter> hm doh
[10:42] <Arbiter> kcmpureftpd was accepted :)
[10:43] <slomo> xerxas: or do you mean that media center solution from fluendo?
[10:43] <xerxas> yes
[10:43] <xerxas> it's this
[10:43] <xerxas> slomo, is it worth trying to package it ?
[10:44] <xerxas> slomo: I have internet at home since yesterday evening
[10:44] <xerxas> I read your mail ...
[10:44] <slomo> it's already packaged for debian in pkg-gstreamer... but not yet ready for uploading
[10:44] <xerxas> ok
[10:44] <slomo> maybe with next release or something :)
[10:45] <xerxas> My internet access is kind of broken (the modem is given by the isp , it does nat, but you configure nat on the ISP website, and they upload the config on your modem )
[10:45] <xerxas> unfortunately, the website is broken so I cannot have nat ...
[10:45] <xerxas> ...
[10:46] <xerxas> slomo, what I should do with gnash ?
[10:46] <xerxas> find why it seg faults ?
[10:46] <xerxas> slomo,  you wrote: The version from experimental doesn't work at all in edgy... at least
[10:46] <xerxas> for me the firefox/mozilla plugin segfaults immediately :(
[10:46] <slomo> yes, fix it :) but it seems the bugs are known in debian too
[10:46] <xerxas> ok
[10:46] <slomo> so maybe try a newer cvs snapshot
[10:46] <xerxas> ok
[10:46] <xerxas> cvs update within that tree and rename the direcotry ?
[10:46] <slomo> or talk with the debian maintainer
[10:46] <xerxas> ok
[10:47] <xerxas> slomo,  I'm just new to this process ...
[10:47] <xerxas> I would like to make a simple package not yet packaged
[10:47] <slomo> no you do a cvs checkout and then create a tarball from this
[10:47] <xerxas> ok
[10:47] <slomo> if upstream is sane via "make distcheck"
[10:47] <xerxas> copying debian directory in the new tree would work ?
[10:47] <slomo> and then you go into the debian package and run uupdate /path/to/newtarball
[10:48] <slomo> should work when the only changes in the diff.gz are the debian directory
[10:49] <ajmitch> hi slomo
[10:49] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[10:54] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[10:54] <Fujitsu> Ettercap has some issues.
[10:54] <Fujitsu> With both this upload and the last...
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please upload a patch for me, in order to let ettercap build?
[10:58] <xerxas> slomo, or I can try to package that : http://thomer.com/icmptx/
[10:59] <slomo> xerxas: sure, do it :) sounds cool
[10:59] <xerxas> :)
[11:00] <xerxas> cool
[11:00] <xerxas> not right now
[11:00] <xerxas> I have a meeting
[11:00] <xerxas> then lunch
[11:00] <xerxas> then we'll see: )
[11:03] <Arbiter> heh :)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> cypher1: kill the script please
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, got a second to upload a two line change to ettercap? Neither of the last two uploads succeeded, as somebody added a .desktop and icon, but not the directories they're meant to reside in.
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i noticed that, actually.  that our version ftbfs.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Yeha.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> As does the one before.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> I've got a patch.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/ettercap_fix.diff
[11:16] <Fujitsu> I'm surprised that that FTBFS got through three people: jpatrick, myself, Hobbsee... It's very odd, because I'm /sure/ I build-tested it.
[11:26] <Fujitsu> Actually, the .desktop and icon should probably be installed in -gtk, not -common...
[11:54] <welshbyte> good morning
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Morning, welshbyte.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> And congratulations on your membership!
[11:54] <welshbyte> hey Fujitsu
[11:54] <welshbyte> same to you :)
[11:54] <welshbyte> hi gnomefreak
[11:55] <gnomefreak> hi welshbyte congrats
[11:55] <welshbyte> thanks :)
[12:12] <Lutin> Hi
[12:12] <Fujitsu> Hi, Lutin.
[12:12] <Lutin> is there any policy concerning the x-session-managers packaging ?
[12:20] <Fade> well, this xemacs bug is serious...
[12:21] <TheMuso> welshbyte: Did you get membership or something?
[12:21] <welshbyte> TheMuso: yeah :)
[12:22] <TheMuso> Congrats.
[12:22] <welshbyte> thanks
[12:22] <TheMuso> Welcome
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Hi, Arbiter.
[12:27] <Arbiter> heya Fujitsu
[12:28] <Arbiter> sigh
[12:28] <Arbiter> i'm too busy
[12:28] <Arbiter> i've missed yesterday's CC
[12:28] <Arbiter> :/
[01:05] <Lutin>  is there any policy concerning the x-session-managers packaging ?
[01:13] <welshbyte> hey Hobbsee
[01:14] <Hobbsee> hi welshbyte
[01:14] <geser> hello
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[01:18] <geser> libao-polyp is uninstallable and unbuildable in edgy because of missing libpolyp-dev (source was polypaudio). polypaudio got remove on 2005-12-21 from dapper
[01:18] <geser> what should happen with libao-polyp?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> what source is libao-polyp in?
[01:19] <geser> libao-polyp is both binary and source name
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i'ts not in edgy
[01:19] <Fujitsu> Yeah, neither the source nor binary are.
[01:20] <geser> Hobbsee: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/sound/libao-polyp
[01:20] <geser> I see it's amd64 only. why?
[01:21] <geser> and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libao-polyp/ doesn't say it got removed
[01:21] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libao-polyp/0.3-1ubuntu1
[01:21] <Hobbsee> the others are sitting in dep wait
[01:22] <geser> yes, because of the missing libpolyp-dev
[01:22] <Hobbsee> geser: it was never built for amd64 for edgy.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> geser: file a request asking for it to be removed from the archive.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> check the rdepends on it first
[01:23] <slomo> geser: so get polypaudio (aka pulse) 0.9.something from unstable maybe
[01:24] <Hobbsee> slomo: if it was removed on dapper though....
[01:25] <slomo> Hobbsee: because of "dead" upstream... upstream got alive again recently and polyp much better now
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:28] <geser> there is currently only an ITP for pulseaudio available
[01:45] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: ping? (don't worry i won't ask you for reviews)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: heya
[01:46] <Arbiter> hey :)
[01:46] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: there's a small issue with konqueror on kubuntu with purple theme
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: that some of it's still blue?
[01:48] <Arbiter> yep
[01:48] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: want a screenshot?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yeah, although i think i know what you're talking about
[01:49] <Arbiter> http://www.arbiterlab.net/shots/sshot.png
[01:50] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: konqueror logo is still blue
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yep
[01:50] <Hobbsee> i think kwwii's fixing that
[01:51] <Arbiter> well :)
[01:53] <geser> Hobbsee: could you add an ACK to bug 59168?
[01:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59168 in libao-polyp "[Edgy]  Please remove libao-polyp from the archive" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59168
[01:55] <Arbiter> brb
[01:56] <Hobbsee> geser: wasnt that going to be fixed, with a new polyaudio thing?  get slomo or someone who knows something about it to ack it
[01:56] <geser> ok
[01:56] <geser> pulseaudio isn't packaged yet
[02:20] <neutrinomass> can somebody please ACK bug 59171 ?
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59171 in deal "Please sync deal 3.0.8-4 from Debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59171
[02:49] <xerxas> Where do I find 822-date ?
[02:49] <xerxas> oops
[02:49] <StevenK> dpkg-dev
[02:49] <xerxas> sorry
[02:49] <xerxas> I have it
[02:51] <kagou> can a motu have a look at my 2 packages on revu ?
[02:52] <jenda> Hello - does anyone have a link handy for a .deb packaging guide or something of the sort?
[02:53] <kagou> jenda: in system/help/documentations
[02:53] <jenda> system or online documentation, kagou?
[02:53] <zul> doc.ubuntulinux.org
[02:54] <zul> er...docs
[02:54] <kagou> jenda: like zul, and also on www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[02:54] <jenda> thx
[02:55] <jenda> ok, good 'nuff. laters.
[02:55] <kagou> cya
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide > jen
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide > jenda
[03:06] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: perhaps you know how to disable AIGLX in edgy?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> nope
[03:06] <Arbiter> aw
[03:07] <Arbiter> since i get something like this http://phpfi.com/149574
[03:07] <Arbiter> in edgy
[03:08] <Arbiter> composite is not enabled in my xorg.conf... but AIGLX seems to enable it automatically
[03:08] <Hobbsee> that was eay :P
[03:08] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: me too but
[03:08] <Arbiter> i've installed Knot2 this morning
[03:09] <Arbiter> and this is the result :P
[03:09] <Arbiter> (i don't have xgl nor compiz installed)
[03:09] <Arbiter> and AIGLX seems to be included in xserver-xorg
[03:09] <Arbiter> :P
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:12] <Arbiter> hey bddebian
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello Arbiter
[03:13] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: composite extensions seems to enabled also when they're not explicitly enabled via xorg.conf
[03:14] <Arbiter> this breaks ATI 3d support by default
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:14] <Arbiter> (i think that nvidia users shouldn't have problems)
[03:14] <Arbiter> bddebian: i've read your comment about ktagebuch
[03:14] <Arbiter> what were the problems in detail?
[03:15] <bddebian> Arbiter: You'll have to refresh my memory :-)
[03:15] <Arbiter> "Overall the packaging looks good but run linda/lintian on your resulting debs, there are several issues. Thanks."
[03:15] <Arbiter> (sorry, i've been busy for a while)
[03:16] <bddebian> Did you run linda and/or lintian on your .deb files?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> linda
[03:16] <Arbiter> hm wait
[03:16] <Hobbsee> seeing as i can harrass the maintainer when it crashes.  isnt that right, StevenK?  :P
[03:17] <Arbiter> i'm from a fresh ubuntu installation :P
[03:17] <Arbiter> i need to rebuild the .debs :P
[03:36] <Arbiter> i'm (re)building the package
[03:42] <geser> slomo: about the libao-polyp package: should it be removed as pulseaudio isn't in debian yet (only ITP'ed)?
[03:43] <slomo> geser: probably... i thought pulse was already in debian
[03:43] <slomo> geser: but if that's not the case yet... remove :)
[03:43] <geser> could you then add an ACK to bug 59168?
[03:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59168 in libao-polyp "[Edgy]  Please remove libao-polyp from the archive" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59168
[03:49] <Arbiter> bddebian: ping?
[03:51] <bddebian> Arbiter: Yo
[03:52] <Arbiter> W: ktagebuch; The library libfilesystem is not in a shlibs file.
[03:52] <Arbiter> W: ktagebuch; The library libktagebuch is not in a shlibs file.
[03:52] <Arbiter> ?
[03:52] <Arbiter> these errors/warnings?
[03:53] <bddebian> Aye
[03:53] <Arbiter> mh
[03:54] <Arbiter> also
[03:54] <Arbiter> E: ktagebuch: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libktagebuch.so.1.0.0
[03:54] <Arbiter> mh
[03:58] <bddebian> Arbiter: Good man! :-)
[03:58] <ajmitch> using dh_makeshlibs?
[03:59] <Arbiter> yup, and calling ldconfig in postinst
[03:59] <Arbiter> ajmitch: ah, i need your help
[03:59] <Arbiter> hm nope :P
[04:01] <ajmitch> you shouldn't need to put ldconfig in postinst manually, if debhelper is being used throughout
[04:02] <Arbiter> mh ok :)
[04:08] <welshbyte> ho hum, back to work
[04:10] <Arbiter> bddebian: http://phpfi.com/149602
[04:10] <Arbiter> o.O
[04:11] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte, congrats! :-)
[04:12] <bddebian> Arbiter: Those come from the package itself right?
[04:12] <Arbiter> yep
[04:13] <Arbiter> ..so?
[04:13] <Adri2000> hello :)
[04:14] <Arbiter> hello Adri2000
[04:14] <bddebian> Arbiter: Sorry I'm at work so I'm a little in and out
[04:15] <Arbiter> np
[04:15] <Arbiter> :)
[04:15] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: ping?
[04:15] <Adri2000> does someone know what is that (in debian/rules) :
[04:15] <Adri2000> ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""
[04:15] <Adri2000>         cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[04:15] <Adri2000> endif
[04:15] <Adri2000> there is the same with config/guess
[04:15] <Adri2000> config.guess sorry
[04:16] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: i've got no answers from upstreams authors of *-servicemenu
[04:16] <bddebian> Arbiter: I'm not sure I know the answer to that one :-(
[04:16] <Arbiter> (attach-to-email-servicemenu and debian-servicemenu)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: what over?   a debian/ ir or something?
[04:16] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: the licensing issue (website says GPL but no copyright or GPL comments in source files)
[04:17] <broonie> Adri2000: It means "update to a current copy of config.{sub,guess} if there is one on the system"
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh, yes, right
[04:17] <Arbiter> i sent the email about 1 month ago
[04:17] <Arbiter> i don't know if nuke and remove them from PackageCandidates or not :/
[04:18] <Adri2000> broonie: should i let this as it is ? because then i have a 2877 lines diff.gz :-/
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: that seems like a lot.
[04:19] <Adri2000> i agree :)
[04:24] <broonie> Yes, unfortunately some people seem to think that's a good way to do things.
[04:24] <broonie> You can avoid the enormous diff be removing the package that provides config.{sub,guess} (autotools-dev IIRC) during the build.
[04:24] <Arbiter> or delete the ifneq "$(" stuff
[04:24] <Arbiter> :P
[04:27] <Adri2000> broonie: who are "some people" ? dh_make itself adds theses lines when creating debian/rules, i think because it detects config.{sub,guess} in the directory.
[04:33] <welshbyte> bddebian: thanks :)
[04:34] <bddebian> welshbyte: Noo, THANK YOU :-)
[04:43] <Arbiter> bug 58112
[04:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58112 in xorg "Add a debconf option to disable composite extention" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58112
[04:44] <Arbiter> haha! found the xorg bug
[05:08] <Quinn_Storm> hey guys, quick question about pbuilder...is it possible & safe to pbuilder for a different arch than you run on? (like build amd64 packages on an i386 system?)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:08] <Hobbsee> and yes
[05:09] <Hobbsee> as for how, you'll likely have to check man pbuilder, as i dont remember, btu i've seen it done
[05:09] <Quinn_Storm> ok, because people are getting upset that my amd64 packages are out of date.  this will be nice for them
[05:12] <Quinn_Storm> ok...strange...not mentioned in man pbuilder...
[05:18] <zul> hey laserjock
[05:18] <LaserJock> hi zul
[05:36] <dholbach> I'd prefer if quinn_storm would get his packages into ubuntu
[05:36] <dholbach> narf
[05:37] <dholbach> it's his packages that we get bug reports for
[05:37] <bddebian> I thought Quinn_Storm was a she?
[05:38] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:49] <gnomefreak> she is a she
[05:51] <gnomefreak> dholbach: shes thought about it
[05:52] <dholbach> gnomefreak: ah ok
[05:52] <dholbach> gnomefreak: I think I'm going to write her and invite her to work with the desktop team on it
[05:53] <gnomefreak> cool
[06:19] <Sp4rKy> does anyone over edgy ?
[06:32] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone got any more info on building amd64 binaries/packages on an i386 system?
[06:32] <habeeb> Since a guy asked in the wiki, are there logs from the sessions about packaging?
[06:38] <LaserJock> habeeb: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/
[06:39] <habeeb> Thanks
[07:01] <habeeb> I think I did something retarded ^_^
[07:01] <habeeb> Following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics
[07:01] <habeeb> I used the command on step 3.
[07:01] <habeeb> Which says something about edgy,and I have dapper <:
[07:04] <geser> Are you trying to backport packages?
[07:04] <thom> did you see step 1?
[07:04] <habeeb> thom: yes, I obviously saw step 1.
[07:04] <habeeb> thom: but it didnt say "If you use dapper, bypass step 2"
[07:04] <habeeb> It should have been waaayyy more clear..
[07:05] <habeeb> So, what did I do? ^_^
[07:05] <habeeb> and what should I expect?
[07:06] <thom> habeeb: why would you skip step 2?
[07:06] <thom> habeeb: the point i was referring to was "If you are running Dapper download Edgy's debootstrap from [WWW]  packages.ubuntu.com and install it with dpkg -i"
[07:06] <habeeb> Because I'm using Dapper. And the command it gives, says something about edgy
[07:06] <habeeb> sudo pbuilder create --distribution edgy \ --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse"
[07:07] <thom> well, if you want to create a dapper pbuilder, just change all the instances of edgy to dapper
[07:07] <thom> but to make packages to be uploaded to the archive, you'll need an edgy pbuilder
[07:07] <habeeb> So, what should I do? :/
[07:08] <habeeb> I dont really know what a pbuilder is.. So should I chose the edgy or the dapper one?
[07:08] <geser> a pbuilder is a clean environment to build packages
[07:08] <habeeb> I see
[07:09] <thom> what do you want to do? if you're just making packages for yourself, make a dapper one. if you're wanting to make packages for ubuntu itself, make an edgy one
[07:09] <habeeb> And what would happen if I used the edgy one on dapper?
[07:09] <habeeb> thom: I want to learn the packaging basics, following the school irc logs :/
[07:09] <geser> you would create debs for edgy
[07:09] <habeeb> I see.
[07:09] <thom> right, so follow the instructions then. it doesn't affect your install; it creates a secondary environment
[07:10] <habeeb> Great thanks.
[07:11] <trappist> could somebody have a look at bug 55790 - there's been a patch sitting for about a month, hoping somebody could test and maybe upload it
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55790 in oidentd "Init script always leaves defunct netstat process" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55790
[07:38] <matid> Hi, do we have a group like ubuntu-universe-sponsors, but for multiverse?
[07:42] <matid> I'm sorry. In fact, I need a group like MOTU Reviewers. Should debdiffs to multiverse be assigned to them or do we have a different group for maintaining the multiverse?
[07:51] <crimsun> matid: same group.
[07:52] <matid> crimsun: Thanks, that what I did
[08:14] <mxpxpod> has anyone taken a look at vmware-player's kernel modules for edgy?
[08:57] <AnAnt> demon@poleboy.de here ?
[08:57] <hub> mxpxpod: non free stuff?
[08:58] <hub> mxpxpod: that would violate the kernel license?
[08:58] <mxpxpod> hub: no, the free stuff
[08:58] <hub> are you sure it is Free Software?
[08:58] <mxpxpod> well, ok, it's probably not "free", but it's in multiverse
[08:58] <hub> AFAIR, they "taint" the kernel
[09:00] <mxpxpod> hub: ok... but you could apt-get install vmware-player and the kernel modules in dapper and it worked nicely... there are reports and a launchpad bug on some issues in edgy
[09:00] <mxpxpod> hub: so I was just wondering if multiverse is kind of on the backburner for edgy right now
[09:00] <hub> it is community maintained
[09:00] <hub> feel fre to fix the package
[09:02] <mxpxpod> hub: alright, thanks
[09:20] <zul> actually the vmware-player kernel modules is going to be in linux-restricted for edgy
[09:39] <allee> hi,
[10:23] <ausimage> Hello in regards to bug#58682. The update today for edgy did not help my situation.
[10:25] <crimsun> bug 58682
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58682 in galeon "Consistent Crash on Specific Pages in Edgy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682
[10:26] <ausimage> Hey crimsun. I am just looking to get this universe package bug addressed so that Galeon will be useable when it comes out in October.
[10:31] <crimsun> I'll attempt to reproduce it w/ galeon, hold.
[10:34] <crimsun> err, maybe not, since routing seems to be screwed
[10:37] <ausimage> Tnx for trying crimsun... I will try and keep on this bug over the next few days. I am usually connected to IRC though not in chat. I would appreciate any revelations.
[10:51] <mxpxpod> zul: really?
[10:51] <mxpxpod> zul: when is that happening (the vmware modules in linux-restricted)
[10:55] <trappist> what's the proper way to build a package with a specific compiler flag, if the configure script respects, say, CXXFLAGS
[10:56] <trappist> as an env var, not an argument
[10:57] <bddebian> trappist: Inside of debian/rules?
[10:58] <trappist> bddebian: yeah
[10:59] <bddebian> You can set CFLAGS or I believe there is something like DEB_CONFIG_OPTS or something like that
[10:59] <trappist> ok thanks
[10:59] <crimsun> CFLAGS="" CXXFLAGS="" ./configure --blah
[11:00] <trappist> crimsun: yeah that I can do, I was wondering how to say that in debian/rules
[11:00] <crimsun> above verbatim
[11:00] <crimsun> (well, not verbatim, I suppose, since you probably want to enumerate CFLAGS and/or CXXFLAGS)
[11:02] <trappist> ok I just said CXXFLAGS="-myflag" in debian rules and I got the result I was looking for
[11:05] <bddebian> crimsun: Always have to show me up eh? :)
[11:08] <crimsun> bddebian: it's the same thing you said
[11:09] <bddebian> :-)
[11:09] <trappist> bug 19124 <-- this has been a bug since hoary and is still in edgy, and I think there is no solution - can we drop the amd64 package?
[11:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19124 in partimage "partimage 0.6.4-10 on Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog 5.04 fails at runtime" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19124
[11:10] <trappist> debian has dropped it
[11:11] <crimsun> if they've already dropped it, it will be autosynced out next go-round [or you can ask for its explicit removal now] 
[11:11] <trappist> crimsun: they've dropped the amd64 version, because that's where the bug is - does the same thing apply?
[11:12] <crimsun> yes, dropping arch-specific bins
[11:14] <trappist> how often are go-rounds?
[11:15] <crimsun> frequent at the beginning of the dev cycle, all but nonexistent now
[11:15] <crimsun> you can still file a bug against the source package
[11:16] <trappist> I think that's what that bug is
[11:16] <LaserJock> crimsun: can you change permissions on files in debian/rules?
[11:16] <crimsun> yes
[11:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: just chmod?
[11:18] <crimsun> (is this in reference to #edubuntu?)
[11:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: heh, yeah, sorry
[11:18] <crimsun> I haven't read all the backscroll, sec
[11:19] <LaserJock> for the spec I'm doing I need to install files o-r
[11:20] <crimsun> so they need to ship o-r before dh_builddeb(1) is invoked
[11:20] <trappist> crimsun: according the changelog, debian dropped the amd64 version of this package 2 years ago this last monday
[11:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: I did: chmod 640 $(CURDIR)/debian/edubuntu-menus/usr/share/edubuntu-menus/groups/*.menu
[11:21] <LaserJock> but it didn't look like it worked
[11:22] <crimsun> you can use dh_fixperms -X
[11:22] <crimsun> although I don't see why it wouldn't have worked
[11:23] <LaserJock> well, maybe I messed something up
[11:23] <crimsun> pastebin debian/rules?
[11:24] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22775
[11:24] <bddebian> Damn I hate when my job gets in the way of MOTUness :-(
[11:24] <LaserJock> mhm
[11:27] <LaserJock> -rw-r----- would be 640, right?
[11:27] <crimsun> yes
[11:28] <bddebian> d000d
[11:28] <LaserJock> darn, I just get -rw-r--r--
[11:28] <bddebian> Even my dumb ass gets those.. ;-P
[11:28] <bddebian> Until, of course, you throw in setuid and setgid :-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> yeah, chemist here, smarter you are the dumber you get
[11:29] <bddebian> hehe
[11:29] <bddebian> damnit, now I have no excuse.. :-)
[11:30] <cbx33> Hey peeps
[11:30] <welshbyte> i'm a student and i have no drug or alcohol problem to fall back on :/
[11:33] <welshbyte> heh :)
[11:35] <bddebian> OK heading home.  Later gang
[11:43] <crimsun> ah, debhelper
[11:44] <crimsun> just work around that by using postinst as ogra suggested
[11:44] <mxpxpod> zul: ping?