[12:18] hehe [12:22] ogra: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/ [12:23] the menu files aren't really very cool ATM [12:23] but I just, in the last couple minutes, got an Edubuntu 6.06.1 install to finally work [12:24] so I can look at the menu and get some better .menus === swhalen [n=swhalen@adsl-68-77-186-70.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:29] does anyone know of a good web filter? [12:29] for what? [12:29] like a content filter? [12:31] yes [12:31] dansguardian is one [12:32] Amaranth is working on a nice new one for Edgy [12:32] but I don't think it's backported to dapper [12:35] swhalen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207008 is a decent HowTo for setting up dansguardian [12:35] thanks [12:37] are there any docs on deploying this network wide? [12:40] not that I know of === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:12] ogra, you really are trying to get into UWN this week. All these new features [01:13] Burgwork, mostly only very roughly tested ... [01:13] i'd rather like a big announcement before knot3 :) [01:14] well, I plan on writing a little section about LTSP this week, if you don't mind [01:14] the Knot3 page will also include a section on it [01:14] especially the installer stuff i just commited is a bit risky [01:14] cool [01:15] given you were bitching about Edubuntu having nothing ;) [01:15] can you tell me all the people involved in the work? [01:15] ltsp ? [01:15] thats only me [01:15] I see other branches being merged [01:15] and vagrant cascadian from freegeek [01:16] but he cares rather for making my stuff work in debian [01:16] and sends the fixes back to me [01:16] just wanted to make certain I got everybody [01:16] accuracy and all that [01:16] oh, sbalneav helped a lot as well [01:17] cbx33 deserves a HUGE praise for completing SCP [01:18] GF gets angry ... i need to stop for the day (worked >20h the last two days) [01:20] ogra: I'm just adding the right menus, etc. [01:21] I'll have an update source package in a little bit [01:21] shall I email it to you so you can check it out when you get up? [01:21] or should I even upload it to REVU? [01:21] yeah, that'd be nice [01:21] nah ... mail is fine [01:21] ok, I want to test it a little bit more and then I'll send it to you [01:21] I've got 8 groups right now [01:22] nice [01:22] but anyway, i fall asleep over my keyboard ... [01:22] night all [01:22] good night [01:23] night === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@200.119.233.92] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === rjian811 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian811 is now known as rjian === felipe__ [n=felipe@65.170.68.19] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === techlife [n=techlife@c-24-61-74-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] does anyone know if there is a specific automatix package for edubuntu or can I just use the one for dapper? === techlife [n=techlife@c-24-61-74-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:53] oh dear [02:55] I was about to answer [02:55] :( [03:03] :-) === mhz is now known as mhz_off === mhz_off goes back to home [03:16] see ya tomorrow, sometime after 17 UTC === LaserJock does a dance around the lab === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@119-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:10] Evening all === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === rjian290 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian290 is now known as rjian === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian750 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === dragonriot [n=dragonri@24-177-116-232.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === TeePOG [n=Notblood@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [08:49] morning all [08:49] morning TeePOG [08:49] morning highvoltage, how goes? === TeePOG is making another attempt at getting the LTSP to work [08:50] good thanks TeePOG [08:50] ^^^ = reinstalling [08:50] TeePOG: did you try that command I sent you yesterday? [08:51] yes highvoltage, did nada [08:51] :/ [08:51] in the end, not even my own username would log me into X [08:51] ergo, reinstall [08:52] luckily i didn't have anything else going on that box [08:52] hi TeePOG :) [08:52] Yesterday got out of control ... I didn't get back to you ... sorry [08:52] btw highvoltage, would you have any idea why the repos [even with all the universe/multiverse repos enabled] cannot find an installation candidate for webmin? === rjian775 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [08:54] hi RichEd mate, no worries [08:54] TeePOG: that would be because it has been removed [08:54] hmm, ok... it's been my friend and companion since forever :-( [08:55] it is old, buggy and mostly dead upstream [08:55] debian removed and thus we followed === rjian627 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] hmm... any alternatives? === rjian627 is now known as rjian [08:56] not that I know of [08:56] hi Burgundavia ... JaneW and I were chatting about you on the weekend :) [08:56] darn [08:56] really? [08:56] what sort of evil things were you saying about me? === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [08:57] She ran in a ladies race sponsored by a local Afrikaans newpaper ... and got a free sun visor with a big logo "Die Burger" [08:57] :) [08:57] I see [08:58] I have a "Happiness is a warm burger bun" hat [08:58] spankin' :) [09:01] TeePOG: this is why webmin got removed: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=webmin [09:01] *reading* [09:01] sheesh, ok === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:15] ping RichEd [09:16] Meester Cee Bee Exxx Thiryyyy Threeeee ! [09:18] cbx33: pong === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [09:21] RichEd: did you want to meet today [09:22] cbx33: how's your jsut past midday looking ? [09:22] yeh should be cool === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] ogra: !!! [09:40] hey dude [09:40] so I'm guessing we'll know by the end of the day about SCP and main ? [09:40] did you make an inclusion report? [09:40] yes [09:40] and it's in the queue [09:40] it's just waiting now :S [09:41] I wish I'd have been able to get it in sooner [09:41] :( [09:41] but time was not on my side [09:42] well it seems to be a nice addition to give it an exeception for further review [09:42] do they do exceptions? [09:43] I thought FF was FF ! [09:44] g-a-i used to have updates a week just before release of dapper [09:44] ahhh [09:44] so there is hope [09:44] but that's because g-a-i is an integral part of the distribution [09:47] yeh..... [09:47] I suppose it would depend on how badly it was needed [09:47] or wanted === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-194-32.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === acesuares [n=ace@201.222.33.116] has joined #edubuntu === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu [11:10] ping Seveas [11:10] pong cbx33 [11:21] Anyone know how i can add a user on a NIS server to "fuse" and get a NIS client to reconise it. [11:21] I'm having problems with LDA and NIS authenication [11:35] we dont support LDA yet (apart from edgy), are you running ubuntu ltsp or ltsp.org ltsp ? [11:41] ltsp.org..... (sorry, but needs must) [11:44] i can only talk about ubutu muecow's LDA implementation which works quite differently (communicates through ssh etc) ... but i imagine just adding the user to the fuse group should suffice [11:44] is the fuse module loaded ? [11:50] hi ogra ... [11:50] hm ... [11:50] doesnt look like we'll get the fully-automatic-swapwerver from rodrigo :/ [11:50] *swapserver [11:50] ogra: is the freeze in place ? will it help to send +evolution (mail & calendar) to laserjock ? [11:51] RichEd, FF is in place at 23:00 UTC [11:51] still plenty of time [11:51] Yesterday people were debating wed or thu 23:00 ... thanx [11:52] Sorry Seveas, I just got back to the office [11:52] my bigger prob is the swapserver stuff ... rodrigo didnt want to show me his code so i cant finish anything ... but we wont be able to enable local devices by default without it (it will fail on very lowend clients) [11:52] ogra: :( [11:52] Seveas: is there any documentation on the new usplash image format...like pallete entries if there are still pallete entries etc :p [11:53] i'm pondering a workaround but that will cost time and i need to review debian patches for ltsp as well :( [11:53] tried adding a fuse group on the NIS server (making sure to give it the same gid as the app servers) and adding users to it. [11:53] ogra: you're definitely gonna deserve tomorrow :p [11:53] but it looks as if NIS is only transmiting the main group of the user [11:54] cbx33, usplash-dev contains documentation [11:54] ogra: jsgotangco said in the past things have been allowed to be exceptions to FF.... g-a-i for example, think that could be the case for SCP? [11:54] :p [11:54] Seveas: you're a legend thank you [11:54] cbx33, yes, but thats for features that are not started on feature freeze day :) [11:54] hehe [11:54] cbx33, usplash has changed since last upload though [11:55] which means I will have to add the whole school to fuse on each of our app servers /etc/group file [11:55] Seveas: I'm just gonna grab it now [11:55] what i would implement would totally differ from the spec [11:55] so you'll need to re-read it for 0.4-18 [11:55] Seveas: that's fine....the current docs are good right? [11:55] highvoltage, poke poke? [11:55] cbx33, almost -- there are some essentials missing [11:55] will pastbin the latest [11:55] tsurc, well, thats surely easily scriptable ... but are you sure there is no way to make NIS supply other groups ? [11:56] thanks Seveas we're working onthe edubuntu usplash tonight [11:57] cbx33, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22800 [11:57] multi-resolution themes ftw [11:57] ogra: I know.. I really didn't want to have to do it like that if i can help it. If I create another user in 3 months It'll end up taking 10 mins instead of 2... ouch [11:58] there must be a way to supply more groups through nis ... [11:58] ogra: plus NIS should be able to handle it! I just can't figure out why [11:58] Seveas: ftw ? [11:58] for the world ? [11:59] "for the win" [11:59] ah [11:59] ok [11:59] "for teh win" actually === cbx33 just used xubuntu for the first time [12:00] using the new ldm ? wiht session selection ? [12:00] flip the walrus! [12:00] ogra: what are our restrictions on the ldm login screen [12:01] cbx33, theme wise ? [12:01] well...yeh if you want to call it a theme [12:01] :) [12:01] the wallpaper for the ldm login [12:01] only plain colors (no gradients) no fullscreen wallpaper [12:01] is it an image? [12:01] the logo is [12:02] i see [12:02] you can use transparency in the logo ... i.e. have a glowing effect ... but thas about it ... apart from that you can tweak 5 colors [12:02] hehe [12:02] ok [12:02] and the session/lang button images [12:04] how is it put togther...? [12:04] like gdm themes? === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:05] hi jono [12:05] no [12:05] cbx33, have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ [12:05] ok [12:06] brb [12:06] RichEd: one hour or two? [12:06] the colors file in the theme dirs are responsible for color schemes [12:06] you have: [12:06] frame_color = "#000000" [12:06] foreground = "#523921" [12:06] background = "#ffffde" [12:06] clockforeground = "#ffffff" [12:06] loginwin_color = "#f7ebd6" [12:06] cbx33: 2 please ? [12:06] RichEd: np [12:06] thanks ogra [12:06] where clockforeground is ignored since we dont show the clock [12:07] that's all I needed [12:07] if you exchange graphics, just make sure they have the same name [12:07] of course [12:07] are you going to handle packaging of artwork [12:07] background.png, icon-language.png, icon-session.png and shutdown.png [12:07] of would you like me to have a stab [12:07] as you like [12:08] ok [12:09] doesnt look like artwork will happen before FF anyway :) [12:09] ogra: no it won't [12:10] but we should have a good idea of what it will look like by the end of today....end of friday at latest [12:10] cbx33, artwork packages need to depend on usplash-dev and they should not ship generated .c files [12:10] (just a quick hint, that's not in the docs yet) [12:11] "generated .c files" ? [12:11] you mean, you want the png === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:40] morning Amaranth [12:40] ugh :P [12:40] too early :P [12:46] howz willow === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu [12:50] ogra, theme sources ship .png and .bdg files. Theme binaries ship c-code generated from them. Sources don't ship the generated C code, but depend on usplash-dev [12:51] ah, i didnt know it generates .c files [12:51] Seveas: that's cool - I'll make sure :D [12:52] ogra: is our artwork pacakge up to date wrt the ubuntu one? [12:52] cbx33, if you need help crating a theme, just poke me -- I'd also be happy to review the theme for "usplash correctness" [12:52] why should it ? [12:52] we dont care about ubuntu artwork at all, do we ? [12:52] heh ok [12:52] Seveas: you're a start [12:52] thanks === maning [n=cosca@58.71.92.82] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] fyi I think I may have cracked it.. in the /etc/group file on the app server there is fuse just above + so anything looking to autenticate if a user is a member of the fuse group is matching with the local fuse group and not the NIS shared fuse group. Does that sound ok to anyone. Or is it a load of tosh === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-194-32.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] well that didn't work then [01:36] surely someone somewhere has got LDA working with NIS === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === TeePOG [n=Notblood@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [01:53] ping RichEd [01:53] baddapong cbx33 [01:53] 10 mins? [01:54] 20 ... busy right now with charles email ... to you & jono ... will check back here in 10 ... [01:54] ok 20 is fine [01:55] :) [02:00] cbx33 & jono ... proof reading now ... my 1 paragraph intro has grown into an essay :) [02:01] :P [02:09] oh dear ! [02:09] cbx33 & jono : you have mail [02:09] okk [02:10] jono, lol, interesting blog post :) === RichEd heads off to get a mince & chilli pizza slice from the fridge [02:11] cbx33: will be ready for you in 10 mins [02:11] ok [02:11] jono: ROGET REDHAT === RichEd will read jono's blog post over some pizza [02:11] BILLY BLUE HAT ! === ogra has a fully-automatic-swapserver script written in 24 lines and ponders if he should add it ... [02:12] ogra: do it [02:12] do it [02:12] hmm [02:12] i'm not sure [02:12] what are your reservations [02:12] ? [02:13] its way safer than usual swap (100% userspace) [02:13] but it will only swapon from ldm ... [02:14] so we wouldnt gain anything to boot small clients ... [02:14] hmmm [02:14] my target for the swapserver was to be able to boot 24Mb clients [02:14] instead of 48Mb [02:14] it's still worth it [02:14] it's an improvement....can still be tooted can't it! [02:15] after all we're trying to prove how good we are :p [02:15] Edubuntu Rocks and all that :p [02:16] cbx33, :P [02:16] RichEd, :) [02:16] jono: I'm guessing you read those books too? [02:17] cbx33, yep :) [02:17] just outta interest how old are you? === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [02:19] cbx33, 26 :) [02:19] 27 in 10 days :) [02:19] hehe [02:20] jono: yours and mine are pretty close === cbx33 is 25 on sept 24th :p [02:20] cool :) [02:20] ogra: did you see my pm? [02:20] cbx33, are you part of ubuntu-uk ? [02:20] heheh [02:20] no :p [02:20] i don;t think so [02:20] i guess I should be [02:21] cbx33, I am keen for ubuntu-uk to be a strong LoCo team, and would be good to have you on board :) [02:21] sure [02:21] I am gonna get some lunch and a shower and catch up on the LoCo mails :) [02:22] ok [02:25] highvoltage, you alive? :) [02:26] ping RichEd [02:26] pong cbx33 === _acesuares [n=ace@201.222.33.116] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [02:42] Hi guys! I'using dapper, and I have a problem with the students that work on the clients: sometimes, mistakenly, they exit the gnome session hibernating the server. Is it possible to remove this possibility? thank you [02:42] uninstall gnome-power-manager [02:42] i just fixed the bug in edgy 3h ago :) [02:43] ogra, thank you. what else does that imply? [02:43] for dapper uninstalling it is the easiest workaround for now [02:43] i will check how intrusive it is to backport it to dapper, but no promises [02:44] ogra, no, I meant what else does uninstalling gnome-power-manager imply? [02:44] unless you run a laptop as server it will do nothing [02:45] (well, it will disable hibernate/suspend on the server itself as well) [02:45] ogra, with gnome-power-manager it uninstall gnome-session too [02:46] you can also unset the can_hibernate/can_suspend gconf keys of gnome-power-manager for every user, but thats a lot of work [02:46] ugh, i didnt know seb128 made it a dependency [02:46] damned [02:46] ogra, I can't do that, I have about 500 users! [02:47] hrm [02:47] ogra, and if I dpkg -r gnome-power-manager? does it honour dependencies? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] are you able to compile a package ? i have no dapper system around, but i think the patch i added to the edgy package today might apply to dapper [02:49] ogra, sorry, no :-( [02:50] ogra: anything I can do? [02:50] ogra, dpkg -r --force-depends gnome-power-manager ? [02:51] no that will break [02:51] cbx33, do you have a dapper chroot/pbuilder ? [02:51] who wanna test libburn? :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [02:52] ah actually no, but I can make one pretty quick [02:52] I have a dapper machine ? that I'm on at the moment [02:53] cbx33, paolob has the old suspend/hibernate buttons are shown in thin client logout dialogs [02:53] problem [02:53] hmmm [02:53] if the power supply wasn't bust in it....I have a....oh hang on [02:53] lemme try somthing [02:53] i added a patch to the edgy package today that fixes it ... but have no dapper chroot around and dont have the time to play with that atm [02:54] ok [02:54] I'll see if I can dig one out [02:54] if that patch applies to the dapper package that would help him ... [02:55] hang on lemme try something [02:55] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch [02:56] oh hell, why not [02:56] gimme 2 secs guys [02:56] just drop that into the debian/patches dir of the dapper g-p-m source package and try a rebuild [02:56] did you want me to test it too? [02:56] if you have that bug ... else i'd suggest paolob tests it ... [02:57] so you wnt me to give paolob a .deb [02:57] if you dont raise the version number or anything, the next apt-get upgrade will remove it and replace it with the one from the archive so its easy to clean up if it doesnt work [02:58] ah ok [02:58] cbx33, right [02:58] cbx33, It would be wonderful [02:58] I have a dapper system on my laptop [02:58] I'll just patch and build [02:58] exactly [02:58] cbx33, how long will it take? [02:58] its a quite trivial patch ... [02:59] but if the file its written for changed between the releases it wont apply [02:59] paolob: hopefully just a few minutes [02:59] cbx33, ok, I'm waiting it. Thank yo! [02:59] s/yo/you/ [03:05] http://pastebin.ca/163340 [03:06] ogra that's the source package build [03:08] hmm, the patch applies fine [03:09] ogra, cbx33 I must go, I'll ask you later, thank you! === paolob goes to everyday school work [03:09] bye [03:09] cbx33, thanks ... [03:09] np [03:09] cbx33: mail sent ... let me know when you have the spreadsheet open [03:10] I'm just getting a dapper chroot [03:10] you would have to dpkg-buildpackage it with your key ... [03:10] I'll pbuild it [03:10] ogra: that package is odd.....has some strange permissions on it [03:10] never seen that in a package before [03:10] you need to rebiuld the source package anyway [03:10] yeh [03:11] else it will fail on the missing gpg key [03:11] I didn't build with my key....did you actually want me to build the package? ! [03:11] that test was fine already [03:11] since it seems not so urgent (paolob is gone) it can wait until i have time fiddling with dapper chroots [03:11] *time for [03:11] ok [03:12] sorry ogra [03:12] heh ! [03:14] ping cbx33 : can you give me 10 mins of your time ? [03:14] cbx33: then I'll update & refine and we can chat more later [03:18] ping anyone ... am I alive in here ? [03:19] RichEd: I'm here [03:19] cool ... is the ss open ? [03:19] just doing it [03:19] okay ... off to window ... [03:20] my word [03:21] no highvoltage "my Open Office Word Processor" ... get with the programme [03:24] :) [03:24] I missed pygi by only 8 minutes this time === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] Morning all [03:48] hi sbalneav === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-198-122.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:53] Hey cbx33 [03:55] sbalneav, hey [03:57] hello ogra, sbalneav [03:58] ogra: hello! [03:58] sbalneav, what do you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-swapon [03:59] Hey, last night, I got the ltsp-build-client to go.... === _acesuares [n=ace@201.222.33.116] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] but I had to comment out the linking of /proc/self/fd in 010-proc-mount in the plugins dir. [03:59] Hey pygi! Sorry, been really busy here at work lately, but did you say yesterday you got libburn going over iscsi? [04:00] sbalneav, I erased and burner iso file on remote burner :) [04:00] burned* [04:00] Cool. [04:00] How'd you do it? [04:00] but that solution won't work for us, it requires some kernel stuff and thingy [04:01] we still need that userspace lib :) [04:02] Ah, that was my worry. [04:02] I had asked the other day, but I think you'd left already. [04:03] eh :-/ [04:03] we must find someone to implement library like that :) [04:04] in cdrecord, there's an rscsi.c that implements some of that sort of stuff. How "clean room" are you trying to be? If we take some of that from the gpl'd version of cdrecord would that be ok? Or are you trying to be completely cdrecord-clean? [04:04] 1)completely clean from schily code [04:05] 2)We won't be implementing this directly into libburn anyway most probably [04:05]