[12:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:22] <LaserJock> ogra: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/
[12:23] <LaserJock> the menu files aren't really very cool ATM
[12:23] <LaserJock> but I just, in the last couple minutes, got an Edubuntu 6.06.1 install to finally work
[12:24] <LaserJock> so I can look at the menu and get some better .menus
[12:29] <swhalen> does anyone know of a good web filter?
[12:29] <LaserJock> for what?
[12:29] <LaserJock> like a content filter?
[12:31] <swhalen> yes
[12:31] <LaserJock> dansguardian is one
[12:32] <LaserJock> Amaranth is working on a nice new one for Edgy
[12:32] <LaserJock> but I don't think it's backported to dapper
[12:35] <LaserJock> swhalen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207008 is a decent HowTo for setting up dansguardian
[12:35] <swhalen> thanks
[12:37] <swhalen> are there any docs on deploying this network wide?
[12:40] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[01:12] <Burgwork> ogra, you really are trying to get into UWN this week. All these new features
[01:13] <ogra> Burgwork, mostly only very roughly tested ...
[01:13] <ogra> i'd rather like a big announcement before knot3 :)
[01:14] <Burgwork> well, I plan on writing a little section about LTSP this week, if you don't mind
[01:14] <Burgwork> the Knot3 page will also include a section on it
[01:14] <ogra> especially the installer stuff i just commited is a bit risky 
[01:14] <ogra> cool
[01:15] <Burgwork> given you were bitching about Edubuntu having nothing ;)
[01:15] <Burgwork> can you tell me all the people involved in the work?
[01:15] <ogra> ltsp ? 
[01:15] <ogra> thats only me 
[01:15] <Burgwork> I see other branches being merged
[01:15] <ogra> and vagrant cascadian from freegeek 
[01:16] <ogra> but he cares rather for making my stuff work in debian
[01:16] <ogra> and sends the fixes back to me
[01:16] <Burgwork> just wanted to make certain I got everybody
[01:16] <Burgwork> accuracy and all that
[01:16] <ogra> oh, sbalneav helped a lot as well 
[01:17] <ogra> cbx33 deserves a HUGE praise for completing SCP
[01:18] <ogra>  GF gets angry ... i need to stop for the day (worked >20h the last two days)
[01:20] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm just adding the right menus, etc.
[01:21] <LaserJock> I'll have an update source package in a little bit
[01:21] <LaserJock> shall I email it to you so you can check it out when you get up?
[01:21] <LaserJock> or should I even upload it to REVU?
[01:21] <ogra> yeah, that'd be nice
[01:21] <ogra> nah ... mail is fine
[01:21] <LaserJock> ok, I want to test it a little bit more and then I'll send it to you
[01:21] <LaserJock> I've got 8 groups right now
[01:22] <ogra> nice
[01:22] <ogra> but anyway, i fall asleep over my keyboard ...
[01:22] <ogra> night all
[01:22] <LaserJock> good  night
[01:23] <pygi> night
[02:46] <techlife> does anyone know if there is a specific automatix package for edubuntu or can I just use the one for dapper?
[02:53] <Amaranth> oh dear
[02:55] <mhz> I was about to answer
[02:55] <mhz> :(
[03:03] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:16] <mhz_off> see ya tomorrow, sometime after 17 UTC
[04:10] <sbalneav> Evening all
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning all
[08:49] <highvoltage> morning TeePOG 
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning highvoltage, how goes?
[08:50] <highvoltage> good thanks TeePOG 
[08:50] <TeePOG> ^^^ = reinstalling
[08:50] <highvoltage> TeePOG: did you try that command I sent you yesterday?
[08:51] <TeePOG> yes highvoltage, did nada
[08:51] <highvoltage> :/
[08:51] <TeePOG> in the end, not even my own username would log me into X
[08:51] <TeePOG> ergo, reinstall
[08:52] <TeePOG> luckily i didn't have anything else going on that box
[08:52] <RichEd> hi TeePOG :)
[08:52] <RichEd> Yesterday got out of control ... I didn't get back to you ... sorry
[08:52] <TeePOG> btw highvoltage, would you have any idea why the repos [even with all the universe/multiverse repos enabled]  cannot find an installation candidate for webmin?
[08:54] <TeePOG> hi RichEd mate, no worries
[08:54] <Burgundavia> TeePOG: that would be because it has been removed
[08:54] <TeePOG> hmm, ok... it's been my friend and companion since forever :-(
[08:55] <Burgundavia> it is old, buggy and mostly dead upstream
[08:55] <Burgundavia> debian removed and thus we followed
[08:55] <TeePOG> hmm... any alternatives?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> not that I know of
[08:56] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia ... JaneW and I were chatting about you on the weekend :)
[08:56] <TeePOG> darn
[08:56] <Burgundavia> really?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> what sort of evil things were you saying about me?
[08:57] <RichEd> She ran in a ladies race sponsored by a local Afrikaans newpaper ... and got a free sun visor with a big logo "Die Burger"
[08:57] <RichEd> :)
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I see
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I have a "Happiness is a warm burger bun" hat
[08:58] <RichEd> spankin' :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> TeePOG: this is why webmin got removed: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=webmin
[09:01] <TeePOG> *reading*
[09:01] <TeePOG> sheesh, ok
[09:15] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[09:16] <RichEd> Meester Cee Bee Exxx Thiryyyy Threeeee !
[09:18] <RichEd> cbx33: pong
[09:21] <cbx33> RichEd: did you want to meet today
[09:22] <RichEd> cbx33: how's your jsut past midday looking ?
[09:22] <cbx33> yeh should be cool
[09:39] <cbx33> ogra: !!!
[09:40] <cbx33> hey dude
[09:40] <cbx33> so I'm guessing we'll know by the end of the day about SCP and main ?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> did you make an inclusion report?
[09:40] <cbx33> yes
[09:40] <cbx33> and it's in the queue
[09:40] <cbx33> it's just waiting now :S
[09:41] <cbx33> I wish I'd have been able to get it in sooner
[09:41] <cbx33> :(
[09:41] <cbx33> but time was not on my side 
[09:42] <jsgotangco> well it seems to be a nice addition to give it an exeception for further review
[09:42] <cbx33> do they do exceptions?
[09:43] <cbx33> I thought FF was FF !
[09:44] <jsgotangco> g-a-i used to have updates a week just before release of dapper
[09:44] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:44] <cbx33> so there is hope
[09:44] <jsgotangco> but that's because g-a-i is an integral part of the distribution
[09:47] <cbx33> yeh.....
[09:47] <cbx33> I suppose it would depend on how badly it was needed
[09:47] <cbx33> or wanted
[11:10] <cbx33> ping Seveas 
[11:10] <Seveas> pong cbx33 
[11:21] <tsurc> Anyone know how i can add a user on a NIS server to "fuse" and get a NIS client to reconise it.
[11:21] <tsurc> I'm having problems with LDA and NIS authenication
[11:35] <ogra> we dont support LDA yet (apart from edgy), are you running ubuntu ltsp or ltsp.org ltsp ?
[11:41] <tsurc> ltsp.org..... (sorry, but needs must)
[11:44] <ogra> i can only talk about ubutu muecow's LDA implementation which works quite differently (communicates through ssh etc) ... but i imagine just adding the user to the fuse group should suffice 
[11:44] <ogra> is the fuse module loaded ? 
[11:50] <RichEd> hi ogra ...
[11:50] <ogra> hm ... 
[11:50] <ogra> doesnt look like we'll get the fully-automatic-swapwerver from rodrigo :/
[11:50] <ogra> *swapserver
[11:50] <RichEd> ogra: is the freeze in place ? will it help to send +evolution (mail & calendar) to laserjock ?
[11:51] <ogra> RichEd, FF is in place at 23:00 UTC
[11:51] <ogra> still plenty of time 
[11:51] <RichEd> Yesterday people were debating wed or thu 23:00 ... thanx
[11:52] <cbx33> Sorry Seveas, I just got back to the office
[11:52] <ogra> my bigger prob is the swapserver stuff ... rodrigo didnt want to show me his code so i cant finish anything ... but we wont be able to enable local devices by default without it (it will fail on very lowend clients)
[11:52] <cbx33> ogra: :(
[11:52] <cbx33> Seveas: is there any documentation on the new usplash image format...like pallete entries if there are still pallete entries etc :p
[11:53] <ogra> i'm pondering a workaround but that will cost time and i need to review debian patches for ltsp as well :(
[11:53] <tsurc> tried adding a fuse group on the NIS server (making sure to give it the same gid as the app servers) and adding users to it.
[11:53] <cbx33> ogra: you're definitely gonna deserve tomorrow :p
[11:53] <tsurc> but it looks as if NIS is only transmiting the main group of the user
[11:54] <Seveas> cbx33, usplash-dev contains documentation
[11:54] <cbx33> ogra: jsgotangco said in the past things have been allowed to be exceptions to FF.... g-a-i for example, think that could be the case for SCP?
[11:54] <cbx33> :p
[11:54] <cbx33> Seveas: you're a legend thank you
[11:54] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but thats for features that are not started on feature freeze day :)
[11:54] <cbx33> hehe
[11:54] <Seveas> cbx33, usplash has changed since last upload though
[11:55] <tsurc> which means I will have to add the whole school to fuse on each of our app servers /etc/group file
[11:55] <cbx33> Seveas: I'm just gonna grab it now
[11:55] <ogra> what i would implement would totally differ from the spec
[11:55] <Seveas> so you'll need to re-read it for 0.4-18
[11:55] <cbx33> Seveas: that's fine....the current docs are good right?
[11:55] <pygi> highvoltage, poke poke?
[11:55] <Seveas> cbx33, almost -- there are some essentials missing
[11:55] <Seveas> will pastbin the latest
[11:55] <ogra> tsurc, well, thats surely easily scriptable ... but are you sure there is no way to make NIS supply other groups  ?
[11:56] <cbx33> thanks Seveas we're working onthe edubuntu usplash tonight
[11:57] <Seveas> cbx33, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22800
[11:57] <Seveas> multi-resolution themes ftw
[11:57] <tsurc> ogra: I know.. I really didn't want to have to do it like that if i can help it. If I create another user in 3 months It'll end up taking 10 mins instead of 2... ouch
[11:58] <ogra> there must be a way to supply more groups through nis ...
[11:58] <tsurc> ogra: plus NIS should be able to handle it! I just can't figure out why
[11:58] <cbx33> Seveas: ftw ?
[11:58] <ogra> for the world ? 
[11:59] <Seveas> "for the win"
[11:59] <cbx33> ah
[11:59] <cbx33> ok
[11:59] <Seveas> "for teh win" actually
[12:00] <ogra> using the new ldm  ? wiht session selection ? 
[12:00] <astecp> flip the walrus!
[12:00] <cbx33> ogra: what are our restrictions on the ldm login screen
[12:01] <ogra> cbx33, theme wise ? 
[12:01] <cbx33> well...yeh if you want to call it a theme
[12:01] <cbx33> :)
[12:01] <cbx33> the wallpaper for the ldm login
[12:01] <ogra> only plain colors (no gradients) no fullscreen wallpaper
[12:01] <cbx33> is it an image?
[12:01] <ogra> the logo is
[12:02] <cbx33> i see
[12:02] <ogra> you can use transparency in the logo ... i.e. have a glowing effect ... but thas about it ... apart from that you can tweak 5 colors
[12:02] <cbx33> hehe
[12:02] <cbx33> ok
[12:02] <ogra> and the session/lang button images
[12:04] <cbx33> how is it put togther...?
[12:04] <cbx33> like gdm themes?
[12:05] <cbx33> hi jono 
[12:05] <ogra> no
[12:05] <ogra> cbx33, have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/
[12:05] <cbx33> ok
[12:06] <cbx33> brb
[12:06] <cbx33> RichEd: one hour or two?
[12:06] <ogra> the colors file in the theme dirs are responsible for color schemes
[12:06] <ogra> you have:
[12:06] <ogra> frame_color = "#000000"
[12:06] <ogra> foreground = "#523921"
[12:06] <ogra> background = "#ffffde"
[12:06] <ogra> clockforeground = "#ffffff"
[12:06] <ogra> loginwin_color = "#f7ebd6"
[12:06] <RichEd> cbx33: 2 please ?
[12:06] <cbx33> RichEd: np
[12:06] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[12:06] <ogra> where clockforeground is ignored since we dont show the clock
[12:07] <cbx33> that's all I needed
[12:07] <ogra> if you exchange graphics, just make sure they have the same name 
[12:07] <cbx33> of course
[12:07] <cbx33> are you going to handle packaging of artwork
[12:07] <ogra> background.png, icon-language.png, icon-session.png and shutdown.png
[12:07] <cbx33> of would you like me to have a stab
[12:07] <ogra> as you like
[12:08] <cbx33> ok
[12:09] <ogra> doesnt look like artwork will happen before FF anyway :)
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra: no it won't
[12:10] <cbx33> but we should have a good idea of what it will look like by the end of today....end of friday at latest
[12:10] <Seveas> cbx33, artwork packages need to depend on usplash-dev and they should not ship generated .c files
[12:10] <Seveas> (just a quick hint, that's not in the docs yet)
[12:11] <ogra> "generated .c files" ?
[12:11] <cbx33> you mean, you want the png
[12:40] <cbx33> morning Amaranth 
[12:40] <Amaranth> ugh :P
[12:40] <Amaranth> too early :P
[12:46] <cbx33> howz willow
[12:50] <Seveas> ogra, theme sources ship .png and .bdg files. Theme binaries ship c-code generated from them. Sources don't ship the generated C code, but depend on usplash-dev
[12:51] <ogra> ah, i didnt know it generates .c files
[12:51] <cbx33> Seveas: that's cool - I'll make sure :D
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra: is our artwork pacakge up to date wrt the ubuntu one?
[12:52] <Seveas> cbx33, if you need help crating a theme, just poke me -- I'd also be happy to review the theme for "usplash correctness"
[12:52] <ogra> why should it ? 
[12:52] <ogra> we dont care about ubuntu artwork at all, do we ? 
[12:52] <cbx33> heh ok
[12:52] <cbx33> Seveas: you're a start
[12:52] <cbx33> thanks
[12:56] <tsurc> fyi I think I may have cracked it.. in the /etc/group file on the app server there is fuse just above + so anything looking to autenticate if a user is a member of the fuse group is matching with the local fuse group and not the NIS shared fuse group. Does that sound ok to anyone. Or is it a load of tosh
[01:35] <tsurc> well that didn't work then
[01:36] <tsurc> surely someone somewhere has got LDA  working with NIS
[01:53] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[01:53] <RichEd> baddapong cbx33 
[01:53] <cbx33> 10 mins?
[01:54] <RichEd> 20 ... busy right now with charles email ... to you & jono ... will check back here in 10 ...
[01:54] <cbx33> ok 20 is fine
[01:55] <jono> :)
[02:00] <RichEd> cbx33 & jono ... proof reading now ... my 1 paragraph intro has grown into an essay :)
[02:01] <jono> :P
[02:09] <cbx33> oh dear !
[02:09] <RichEd> cbx33 & jono : you have mail
[02:09] <cbx33> okk
[02:10] <pygi> jono, lol, interesting blog post :)
[02:11] <RichEd> cbx33: will be ready for you in 10 mins 
[02:11] <cbx33> ok
[02:11] <cbx33> jono: ROGET REDHAT
[02:11] <cbx33> BILLY BLUE HAT !
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: do it 
[02:12] <cbx33> do it
[02:12] <ogra> hmm
[02:12] <ogra> i'm not sure 
[02:12] <cbx33> what are your reservations
[02:12] <cbx33> ?
[02:13] <ogra> its way safer than usual swap (100% userspace) 
[02:13] <ogra> but it will only swapon from ldm ...
[02:14] <ogra> so we wouldnt gain anything to boot small clients ...
[02:14] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:14] <ogra> my target for the swapserver was to be able to boot 24Mb clients
[02:14] <ogra> instead of 48Mb
[02:14] <cbx33> it's still worth it
[02:14] <cbx33> it's an improvement....can still be tooted can't it!
[02:15] <cbx33> after all we're trying to prove how good we are :p
[02:15] <cbx33> Edubuntu Rocks and all that :p
[02:16] <jono> cbx33, :P
[02:16] <jono> RichEd, :)
[02:16] <cbx33> jono: I'm guessing you read those books too?
[02:17] <jono> cbx33, yep :)
[02:17] <cbx33> just outta interest how old are you?
[02:19] <jono> cbx33, 26 :)
[02:19] <jono> 27 in 10 days :)
[02:19] <cbx33> hehe
[02:20] <cbx33> jono: yours and mine are pretty close
[02:20] <jono> cool :)
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: did you see my pm?
[02:20] <jono> cbx33, are you part of ubuntu-uk ?
[02:20] <cbx33> heheh
[02:20] <cbx33> no :p
[02:20] <cbx33> i don;t think so
[02:20] <cbx33> i guess I should be
[02:21] <jono> cbx33, I am keen for ubuntu-uk to be a strong LoCo team, and would be good to have you on board :)
[02:21] <cbx33> sure
[02:21] <jono> I am gonna get some lunch and a shower and catch up on the LoCo mails :)
[02:22] <cbx33> ok
[02:25] <pygi> highvoltage, you alive? :)
[02:26] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[02:26] <RichEd> pong cbx33 
[02:42] <paolob> Hi guys! I'using dapper, and I have a problem with the students that work on the clients: sometimes, mistakenly, they exit the gnome session hibernating the server. Is it possible to remove this possibility? thank you
[02:42] <ogra> uninstall gnome-power-manager
[02:42] <ogra> i just fixed the bug in edgy 3h ago :)
[02:43] <paolob> ogra, thank you. what else does that imply?
[02:43] <ogra> for dapper uninstalling it is the easiest workaround for now
[02:43] <ogra> i will check how intrusive it is to backport it to dapper, but no promises
[02:44] <paolob> ogra, no, I meant what else does uninstalling gnome-power-manager imply?
[02:44] <ogra> unless you run a laptop as server it will do nothing 
[02:45] <ogra> (well, it will disable hibernate/suspend on the server itself as well)
[02:45] <paolob> ogra, with gnome-power-manager it uninstall gnome-session too
[02:46] <ogra> you can also unset the can_hibernate/can_suspend gconf keys of gnome-power-manager for every user, but thats a lot of work
[02:46] <ogra> ugh, i didnt know seb128 made it a dependency
[02:46] <ogra> damned
[02:46] <paolob> ogra, I can't do that, I have about 500 users!
[02:47] <ogra> hrm
[02:47] <paolob> ogra, and if I dpkg -r gnome-power-manager? does it honour dependencies?
[02:48] <ogra> are you able to compile a package ? i have no dapper system around, but i think the patch i added to the edgy package today might apply to dapper
[02:49] <paolob> ogra, sorry, no :-(
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: anything I can do?
[02:50] <paolob> ogra, dpkg -r --force-depends gnome-power-manager ?
[02:51] <ogra> no that will break
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, do you have a dapper chroot/pbuilder ? 
[02:51] <pygi> who wanna test libburn? :)
[02:52] <cbx33> ah actually no, but I can make one pretty quick
[02:52] <cbx33> I have a dapper machine ? that I'm on at the moment
[02:53] <ogra> cbx33, paolob has the old suspend/hibernate buttons are shown in thin client logout dialogs 
[02:53] <ogra> problem
[02:53] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:53] <cbx33> if the power supply wasn't bust in it....I have a....oh hang on
[02:53] <cbx33> lemme try somthing
[02:53] <ogra> i added a patch to the edgy package today that fixes it ... but have no dapper chroot around and dont have the time to play with that atm
[02:54] <cbx33> ok
[02:54] <cbx33> I'll see if I can dig one out
[02:54] <ogra> if that patch applies to the dapper package that would help him ...
[02:55] <cbx33> hang on lemme try something
[02:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch
[02:56] <cbx33> oh hell, why not
[02:56] <cbx33> gimme 2 secs guys
[02:56] <ogra> just drop that into the debian/patches dir of the dapper g-p-m source package and try a rebuild
[02:56] <cbx33> did you want me to test it too?
[02:56] <ogra> if you have that bug ... else i'd suggest paolob tests it ...
[02:57] <cbx33> so you wnt me to give paolob a .deb
[02:57] <ogra> if you dont raise the version number or anything, the next apt-get upgrade will remove it and replace it with the one from the archive so its easy to clean up if it doesnt work
[02:58] <cbx33> ah ok
[02:58] <ogra> cbx33, right 
[02:58] <paolob> cbx33, It would be wonderful
[02:58] <cbx33> I have a dapper system on my laptop
[02:58] <cbx33> I'll just patch and build
[02:58] <ogra> exactly
[02:58] <paolob> cbx33, how long will it take?
[02:58] <ogra> its a quite trivial patch ...
[02:59] <ogra> but if the file its written for changed between the releases it wont apply
[02:59] <cbx33> paolob: hopefully just a few minutes
[02:59] <paolob> cbx33, ok, I'm waiting it. Thank yo!
[02:59] <paolob> s/yo/you/
[03:05] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/163340
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra that's the source package build
[03:08] <ogra> hmm, the patch applies fine
[03:09] <paolob> ogra, cbx33 I must go, I'll ask you later, thank you!
[03:09] <paolob> bye
[03:09] <ogra> cbx33, thanks ...
[03:09] <cbx33> np
[03:09] <RichEd> cbx33: mail sent  ... let me know when you have the spreadsheet open
[03:10] <cbx33> I'm just getting a dapper chroot
[03:10] <ogra> you would have to dpkg-buildpackage it with your key ...
[03:10] <cbx33> I'll pbuild it
[03:10] <cbx33> ogra: that package is odd.....has some strange permissions on it
[03:10] <cbx33> never seen that in a package before
[03:10] <ogra> you need to rebiuld the source package anyway
[03:10] <cbx33> yeh
[03:11] <ogra> else it will fail on the missing gpg key
[03:11] <cbx33> I didn't build with my key....did you actually want me to build the package? !
[03:11] <ogra> that test was fine already 
[03:11] <ogra> since it seems not so urgent (paolob is gone) it can wait until i have time fiddling with dapper chroots
[03:11] <ogra> *time for
[03:11] <cbx33> ok
[03:12] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[03:12] <cbx33> heh !
[03:14] <RichEd> ping cbx33 : can you give me 10 mins of your time ?
[03:14] <RichEd> cbx33: then I'll update & refine and we can chat more later
[03:18] <RichEd> ping anyone ... am I alive in here ?
[03:19] <cbx33> RichEd: I'm here
[03:19] <RichEd> cool ... is the ss open ?
[03:19] <cbx33> just doing it
[03:19] <RichEd> okay ... off to window ...
[03:20] <highvoltage> my word
[03:21] <RichEd> no highvoltage "my Open Office Word Processor" ... get with the programme
[03:24] <highvoltage> :)
[03:24] <highvoltage> I missed pygi by only 8 minutes this time
[03:47] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:48] <cbx33> hi sbalneav 
[03:53] <sbalneav> Hey cbx33 
[03:55] <ogra> sbalneav, hey
[03:57] <pygi> hello ogra, sbalneav 
[03:58] <sbalneav> ogra: hello!
[03:58] <ogra> sbalneav, what do you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-swapon
[03:59] <sbalneav> Hey, last night, I got the ltsp-build-client to go....
[03:59] <sbalneav> but I had to comment out the linking of /proc/self/fd in 010-proc-mount in the plugins dir.
[03:59] <sbalneav> Hey pygi!  Sorry, been really busy here at work lately, but did you say yesterday you got libburn going over iscsi?
[04:00] <pygi> sbalneav, I erased and burner iso file on remote burner :)
[04:00] <pygi> burned*
[04:00] <sbalneav> Cool.
[04:00] <sbalneav> How'd you do it?
[04:00] <pygi> but that solution won't work for us, it requires some kernel stuff and thingy
[04:01] <pygi> we still need that userspace lib :)
[04:02] <sbalneav> Ah, that was my worry.
[04:02] <sbalneav> I had asked the other day, but I think you'd left already.
[04:03] <pygi> eh :-/
[04:03] <pygi> we must find someone to implement library like that :)
[04:04] <sbalneav> in cdrecord, there's an rscsi.c that implements some of that sort of stuff.  How "clean room" are you trying to be?  If we take some of that from the gpl'd version of cdrecord would that be ok? Or are you trying to be completely cdrecord-clean?
[04:04] <pygi> 1)completely clean from schily code
[04:05] <pygi> 2)We won't be implementing this directly into libburn anyway most probably
[04:05] <sbalneav> Sure, but as a basis for a separate library.
[04:05] <pygi> right, I'd be glad if we could go without schily :)
[04:05] <sbalneav> OK, well, we'll need to find a specification for the iSCSI protocol then, and see if we can implement it from there.
[04:06] <pygi> indeed, libuiscsi :)
[04:07] <pygi> I have yet to see userspace implementation of iscsi
[04:07] <pygi> and if it is doable, we might just be the first one to have it
[04:08] <pygi> I am sure a lot of people would like to see that
[04:11] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[04:14] <pygi> sbalneav, you alive? :)
[04:14] <sbalneav> ogra: Ah, so you're enabling the swap after people log in?  Smart.
[04:14] <ogra> well, not really
[04:14] <sbalneav> pygi: yeah, sorry, 15 conversations going on.
[04:15] <pygi> sbalneav, ok, later then
[04:15] <ogra> sbalneav, but the best solution for the current situation
[04:17] <sbalneav> So, this is using a stock nbd-swap setup, and not mods to the swap server?
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <ogra> its a bit odd, since it doesnt help to boot < 48M machines
[04:19] <ogra> but apart from that its way more beautiful than any other solution
[04:20] <sbalneav> It's certainly workable.  So the mods to the swap server will be for edgy+1?
[04:20] <ogra> right, thats the idea
[04:20] <ogra> so we do have *something* at least
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra: good decision bud !
[04:21] <ogra> localdev on an 48M macine will break i guess ...
[04:21] <ogra> (without any swap)
[04:21] <ogra> now the big question ... 
[04:22] <ogra> do i enable it i our default lts.conf ? 
[04:22] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:22] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna have to skoot in a while, are you going to poke pitti and seb128 later?
[04:22] <ogra> 10 clients will eat 320M on the servers disk
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[04:22] <ogra> will do
[04:22] <cbx33> thanks ogra :D
[04:23] <sbalneav> ok, this would be the perfect place for a session_start and session_end script in ldm.  We'll want to spec that in for the next version as well.
[04:23] <cbx33> you're the best
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, nope
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, we dont want to swapoff ...
[04:24] <cbx33> ogra: just need to add that packaging bit to make it restart/reload dbus
[04:24] <ogra> sbalneav, imagine if something is in the swap and you just kill the nbd-server 
[04:25] <sbalneav> hmmm.
[04:25] <sbalneav> Good point.
[04:25] <ogra> it will hardlock ...
[04:26] <ogra> hmm
[04:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:12] <_acesuares_> !seen riched
[05:12] <ubotu> RichEd is on IRC right now!
[05:12] <RichEd> _acesuares_: hello :)
[05:12] <_acesuares_> RichEd ? u there ?
[05:12] <_acesuares_> ah hi!
[05:13] <RichEd> yep ... let me read your email again ... give me a minute ...
[05:13] <_acesuares_> Had a chance to think about the seminar 4+5 oktober 2006  in Curacao ?
[05:13] <_acesuares_> !livecd
[05:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[05:14] <_acesuares_> !livecd edubuntu
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about livecd edubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <RichEd> _acesuares_:  ping into pvt window
[05:19] <RichEd> hi LaserJock : final basic menu list sent today via email
[05:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:20] <acesuares> RichEd waht is that ping into pvt window
[05:20] <LaserJock> RichEd: it's longer than I had anticipated
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra: pingo?
[05:20] <RichEd> feel free to trim it down with your laser
[05:22] <RichEd> acesuares:  in dialogue box ... question : hello ... okay to get my head straight ... you said netherland yesterday ... I said S America ... is Curacao a dutch colony in South America ?
[05:24] <LaserJock> RichEd: I put a package up for ogra and everybody to test at: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/
[05:24] <acesuares> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curaao
[05:24] <cbx33> hey everyone
[05:24] <acesuares> RichEd: there are mapos in the wikipedia.
[05:24] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[05:24] <acesuares> It's NOT south america (altough it's 70 km off the coast of Venzuela)
[05:24] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock 
[05:25] <cbx33> I have something to show you
[05:25] <cbx33> give me a minute
[05:25] <cbx33> see if you laugh
[05:25] <acesuares> it's NOT a colony but a part of a seperate counter in the Kongdom of the Netherlands.
[05:25] <RichEd> Okay acesuares : I'll respond to the email with comments 
[05:25] <acesuares> But apart from that, yes, it's a Colony of the netherlands in South America
[05:25] <acesuares> counter- country
[05:25] <acesuares> okay RichEd I'll wait.
[05:26] <RichEd> Thanks for the explanation ... I'm not being insensitive, just looking for broad brushstrokes now ... to get my bearings. Can drill into specifics later.
[05:26] <RichEd> As a quick response, the best bet will be one of our loco members ... A Local Community person who lives close by. We have no formal offices near you.
[05:26] <RichEd> I'll do some digging and mail you back with suggestions.
[05:27] <acesuares> RichEd, we will fly anyone in, if the budget permits.
[05:27] <acesuares> We would be happy with loco members but they need to be fluent in english or dutch
[05:27] <RichEd> Well that makes it easier. Thanks. Let me explore a bit.
[05:27] <acesuares> we do also speak spanish most of us so a spanish/english speaker can be okay
[05:28] <acesuares> Basically, I am the closest to the Local Community person you cna get - see http://www.luna.suares.an
[05:28] <acesuares> I also haver the priviliege to work together with a larger organisation who pays and organises the seminar.
[05:28] <acesuares> I am just trying to fill up the bit about Open Source end Free Software.
[05:29] <RichEd> I'll mail you a profile set of questions ... to get an idea of the audience and level. We'll look for the best fit in terms of getting results 1) comunicating a good understanding and 2) actions which can be carried forwards.
[05:30] <RichEd> In terms of "close relationships" or "similar commercial / education profile" what country or countrys are a good match ?
[05:30] <acesuares> This is a very difficult question.
[05:31] <RichEd> (I would like to understand hurdles for Open Source).
[05:31] <RichEd> I'll save it for the mail then.
[05:31] <acesuares> On one hand, we tend to get most educational material from the dutch
[05:31] <acesuares> however, we are far behind in hard3ware and IT acceptance.
[05:32] <acesuares> FOr instance, 27 Pentium I, 90 MHz on a school for 12-15 year people.
[05:32] <RichEd> That is not a bad thing :) A mature market usually has embedded forces that are difficult to change. A fresh market usually sees open source as a good proposition.
[05:32] <acesuares> On another level, we look at America - bachelor and masters degreess at the university/higher education
[05:32] <TeePOG> evening all
[05:33] <acesuares> The mentality is largely south american, the word 'manjana' has it's own connotation here
[05:33] <acesuares> Then there is also a large group of black poeple (the majority) who tends to be in the poorer demographics
[05:33] <RichEd> Okay ... I will bring another person into the conversation. Mauricio mhz from Chile. He speaks Spanish & English. He knows LAms School & University Education issues wel.
[05:33] <acesuares> so, the whole imagery and language for most dutch educational software does not represent local images
[05:34] <acesuares> Okay.
[05:34] <RichEd> He knows of many government programs ... if we can prepare conversation links for future relationships, we will have more success.
[05:34] <RichEd> Wait for the mail :) will be later tonight or tomorrow morning. (my time) 
[05:35] <acesuares> Okay, anyway, we have no bearings with LAms Schools and University Education.
[05:35] <acesuares> Generally, I would not invite South American people to lecture, but I am not excluding anyone till I hear there story.
[05:35] <acesuares> It's just that for instance, if I tell the director of the school of a succesfullprject in Namibia (schoolnet)
[05:36] <acesuares> then the reaction is - ah that's namibia, where the people are poor
[05:36] <acesuares> tell me about a succesfull project in Europe or America, then I;ll listen
[05:36] <RichEd> comment: And I would not propose a person until we have an agreed fit.
[05:37] <acesuares> very racist people here, on that level. Not the common people, but the higher up the more tendency towards whiteness there is.
[05:37] <acesuares> Fortunately, the OS movement is not that racist and Edubuntu is Linux for 'people' >:-)
[05:37] <RichEd> Okay that is some good background for me to ask the right questions. Based on the fact that you could cover the cost of a visitor (reaonable low-budget) we can be flexbile.
[05:37] <pygi> !!!
[05:38] <acesuares> hi pygi !!!
[05:38] <pygi> hey ho
[05:38] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[05:38] <acesuares> RichEd, I'll wait for your mail. Please don't forget or I'll come harassing you at IRC :-)
[05:39] <RichEd> I have some background in Racism :) past = aparthied South Africa and present = New South Africa with new eilte class and confused views about the future.
[05:39] <RichEd> So, I will be able to understand, and guide.
[05:39] <acesuares> RichEd: hey - that's good. Wasn't Sout Africa populated by Dutch Speaking individuals that supported apartheid, whiuch itself is a dutch word ? 
[05:40] <acesuares> look at www.herensiadisklabitut.com for an exposition on slave trade and the consequences on our island...
[05:40] <acesuares> sse ya later, RichEd, gotta go now, I'll wait for the mail
[05:41] <RichEd> acesuares: That's about 20% of the story ... it is not an easy IRC topic ... but what is probably best to take away is that: We had probably the most embedded and entrenched set of racist laws in the world, which we have overcome peacefully.
[05:41] <RichEd> Lots of problems, but more success than failures.
[05:42] <highvoltage> 4
[05:42] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[05:47] <pygi> highvoltage, poke, you have time?
[05:47] <highvoltage> pygi: yes :)
[05:47] <pygi> you on dapper?
[05:47] <highvoltage> pygi: I missed you by 8 minutes this afternoon!
[05:48] <pygi> ah :-/
[05:48] <pygi> highvoltage, are you on dapper or edgy?
[05:48] <highvoltage> edgy from about 2 weeks ago
[05:48] <pygi> ok, so now listen and execute :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> but i have an edubuntu knot 2 cd on my disk
[05:49] <highvoltage> that sounds dangerous :)
[05:49] <pygi> svn co http://libburn-svn.pykix.org
[05:49] <pygi> svn co http://libburn-svn.pykix.org libburn
[05:49] <pygi> (second one :P)
[05:49] <pygi> cd libburn/trunk
[05:49] <pygi> boostrap
[05:49] <pygi> ./configure --disable-static
[05:49] <pygi> make
[05:49] <pygi> sudo make install
[05:49] <pygi> once you are done with that, we'll continue :)
[05:50] <cbx33> Right I'm off to my windows machine to make some artwork
[05:50] <cbx33> bllleeeuuggghhh
[05:50] <highvoltage> pygi: ok. i'll ping you :)
[05:51] <pygi> highvoltage, oki :)
[06:04] <cbx33> *bah* damn windows update
[06:05] <cbx33> why did wine break so I can't use photoshop anymore
[06:06] <pygi> highvoltage, you done? :)
[06:07] <Amaranth> ogra: So, I have a package for willowng that works well except for the error pages, is it worth uploading?
[06:08] <ogra> Amaranth, sure
[06:08] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[06:08] <ogra> gah ... LaserJock is gone ..
[06:09] <pygi> highvoltage, poke, poke :P
[06:10] <ogra> Amaranth, what does "except for the error pages" mean ? 
[06:10] <ogra> we dont have them at all ? the custom ones dont work ...
[06:10] <ogra> the html is broken ...
[06:10] <Amaranth> ogra: Instead of an error page for blocked stuff you get some weird header output
[06:10] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:10] <ogra> thats fine ...
[06:10] <ogra> its a bug ... :)
[06:11] <ogra> enough time to fix it if thats the only issue
[06:11] <ogra> what about bayesian ? 
[06:11] <Amaranth> well, that and making that checkbox work
[06:11] <Amaranth> it gives you the broken error page too
[06:11] <ogra> well, thats only an iptables rule ...
[06:12] <Amaranth> oh, you want to do transparent proxying now?
[06:12] <ogra> no
[06:12] <ogra> i want to block port 80 and make it only useable by the willowng user ...
[06:12] <Amaranth> alright, then it's a hack for firefox that likely won't be accepted, debconf keys, gconf keys, and blocking port 80
[06:12] <Jon335> Hi guys, I just set Edubuntu up on a computer to help me teach my siblings about computers. Thanks alot!
[06:12] <ogra> Amaranth, no
[06:13] <ogra> Amaranth, i *only* want to do the iptables rule
[06:13] <Amaranth> ogra: Oh.
[06:13] <ogra> no tweaking of app settings
[06:13] <Amaranth> ogra: So you want to leave users to figure out how to make it work?
[06:13] <ogra> thats up to the admin
[06:13] <Amaranth> user==admin for a family computer
[06:13] <ogra> its written on the checkbox, isnt it ?
[06:14] <cbx33> ogra, LaserJock is looking for you
[06:14] <ogra> cbx33, yes, i saw that
[06:14] <cbx33> he has written the edubuntu pacakge
[06:14] <cbx33> for menus
[06:14] <ogra> i wonder why he doesnt upload it
[06:14] <cbx33> to universe?
[06:14] <ogra> we'll need it anyway at some point
[06:14] <ogra> sure
[06:14] <cbx33> I told him to do that
[06:15] <cbx33> any news from pitti/seb128 ?
[06:15] <ogra> nope
[06:15] <Amaranth> ogra: I don't see how setting it up automatically can hurt though.
[06:15] <ogra> Amaranth, youre touching user settings ...
[06:16] <ogra> thats not nice ...
[06:16] <Amaranth> no i'm not, i'm touching system settings
[06:16] <Amaranth> i can do firefox without touching the user profile
[06:16] <Amaranth> thus "hack"
[06:16] <ogra> could you ask iwj what he thinks about it ? he's the firefox guy
[06:17] <Amaranth> alright
[06:19] <cbx33> ogra: what were you saying about touching a file to restart dbus?
[06:19] <ogra> there is something you can touch like /var/run/reboot_required
[06:19] <ogra> look at other ackages that use dbus ...
[06:20] <cbx33> ahh ok
[06:20] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[06:25] <ogra> LaserJock, pong
[06:25] <ogra> why dont you just upload it =
[06:25] <ogra> ?
[06:25] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[06:25] <LaserJock> ogra: I wanted another MOTU to check it out first
[06:26] <LaserJock> it's not a big complicated package I suppose
[06:26] <ogra> it will go through NEW anyway ... you will have an archive admin checking it ;)
[06:26] <LaserJock> ok, uploading then :-0
[06:27] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[06:27] <pygi> highvoltage, I'll eat you if you don't respond soon :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> pygi: pong pong!!!
[06:28] <LaserJock> ogra: do you want it in Main for Edgy?
[06:28] <pygi> highvoltage, so are you done with the above steps? :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> pygi: my connection is seriously dodgy, seems like it is at it's worst this time of day
[06:29] <ogra> LaserJock, lets see 
[06:29] <highvoltage> pygi: not yet, struggling a bit with my e-mail first
[06:29] <pygi> ahm,oki then :)
[06:29] <ogra> LaserJock, i dont think pitti has time for MIRs
[06:29] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, that's what I kinda figured
[06:29] <ogra> so only if we get approval to move it after FF
[06:30] <pygi> highvoltage, just poke me if you are done in the next 80 years or so :P
[06:30] <ogra> but having it in the archive wont hurt at all
[06:30] <Amaranth> ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.3/deb-src
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, I'm fine either way, it isn't a "killer" app quite yet, but I think it would work better installed by default
[06:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:31] <Amaranth> LaserJock: what is it?
[06:32] <LaserJock> edubuntu-menus
[06:32] <LaserJock> if we can put some menu-editing front-end to it it will be much better
[06:32] <Amaranth> ah :)
[06:32] <cbx33> LaserJock don;t forget me :p
[06:33] <Amaranth> did you ever figure out how to work out of the problem i explained or did you decide it was Somebody Else's Problem? :)
[06:33] <LaserJock> Amaranth: which problem?
[06:33] <Amaranth> the fun merging
[06:33] <sbalneav> Ahh, SEP.
[06:33] <ogra> Amaranth, uploaded 
[06:33] <cbx33> I prefer, NMP
[06:33] <cbx33> Not My Problem
[06:34] <Amaranth> merging the student and teacher menus, for example
[06:34] <cbx33> ogra this wallpaper is progressing nicely
[06:34] <LaserJock> Amaranth: well, it turns out that xdg works pretty well
[06:34] <cbx33> :)
[06:34] <Amaranth> (along with merging user changes)
[06:34] <ogra> Amaranth, btw, now that you got some money from SoC to be able to travel, how about getting you key signed :P
[06:34] <Amaranth> ogra: hehe, i'm broke :P
[06:34] <ogra> haha
[06:34] <Amaranth> two weeks or so i should get more
[06:34] <cbx33> you just got SoC...:p
[06:34] <ogra> there is still money to come ...
[06:34] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:34] <cbx33> hehe
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: for menu groups I set $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to /usr/share/edubuntu/menus/
[06:35] <Amaranth> cbx33: I was pretty far behind on bills and junk, $2500 goes fast
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: which is just an applications.menu that has a <MergeDIR>
[06:35] <cbx33> tell me about it
[06:35] <cbx33> my wage just covers living
[06:35] <cbx33> for my wife and I
[06:35] <Amaranth> oh, and i went clothes shopping
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: that is my dentist bill :(
[06:35] <cbx33> heheheh
[06:35] <Amaranth> and i _enjoyed_ it, something is wrong
[06:35] <cbx33> Amaranth that is wrong
[06:36] <cbx33> what's up ogra?
[06:36] <ogra> sbalneav, any idea how to get a proper ps output from the ssh socket ? 
[06:37] <ogra> seems if i run the script i dont see all processes
[06:37] <Amaranth> i need to stop growing, it sucks having all your pants be too short for you after a year
[06:37] <sbalneav> reaaaaaly?
[06:37] <sbalneav> Wow, I haven't seen that.
[06:37] <sbalneav> Let me try.
[06:37] <ogra> i just wanted to add a check if an nbd-server is running for the specific port/ip 
[06:37] <cbx33> Amaranth - I can imagine that :p
[06:37] <ogra> running it from commandline on the client is fine
[06:37] <sbalneav> gimme 2 shakes
[06:38] <ogra> but as soon as i do "ps ax|grep nbd-server" from a script i dont get the other users processes
[06:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you remind me of a good charlotte song
[06:38] <sbalneav> oohhh, don't use ax
[06:38] <sbalneav> use -ef
[06:38] <ogra> doesnt work either
[06:38] <sbalneav> wierd
[06:38] <sbalneav> What about netstat -anp?
[06:39] <ogra> i'm through all px options ...
[06:39] <Amaranth> does feature freeze apply to universe too?
[06:39] <sbalneav> gimme a sec, gotta set it up...
[06:39] <ogra> sbalneav, lsof doesnt even work for foreign files
[06:39] <sbalneav> wow
[06:41] <ogra> netstat complains in the header already
[06:41] <ogra> remember i run as user
[06:45] <sbalneav> ?!?!?!  Works for me.
[06:46] <sbalneav> Now, I'm not doing this from a terminal
[06:46] <sbalneav> Just between 2 machines.
[06:48] <ogra> right
[06:48] <TeePOG> hi agin
[06:48] <ogra> that works fine here as well
[06:48] <TeePOG> hi again*
[06:51] <TeePOG> ogra, you'll be pleased to know that I have a much happier system than yesterday
[06:52] <TeePOG> just one last thing: how do you make the LTSP desktop use a specific resolution? 800x600 to be exact
[06:53] <sbalneav> ogra: So, I wonder what's different between a TERMINAL doing the ssh, and a regular user doing it.
[06:53] <sbalneav> Something in /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the terminal, maybe?
[06:58] <ogra> hmm
[06:59] <ogra> seems netstat works, even it complains loud
[07:09] <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-swapon got it ...
[07:09] <ogra> this way it works and doesnt spawn new servers over and over :)
[07:33] <cbx33> ogra :D
[07:33] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[07:33] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:34] <cbx33> did you get my pm
[07:34] <cbx33> about benzene>
[07:34] <cbx33> :p
[07:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I think you are talking about naphthalene
[07:34] <cbx33> cool
[07:34] <LaserJock> or maybe anthracene
[07:34] <cbx33> what about aspartame ?
[07:34] <cbx33> heheh
[07:34] <cbx33> I'm j/k
[07:45] <cbx33> hehe
[07:45] <cbx33> top search strings for my site
[07:45] <cbx33> 1 4 6.45% how to use gisomount 
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/caffeine.gif
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: or do you want bigger?
[07:47] <cbx33> oooh
[07:47] <cbx33> are those bonds just floating?
[07:47] <cbx33> off the N atoms?
[07:47] <LaserJock> well, it's actually a CH3 at the end of them
[07:47] <cbx33> could.....could you possibly add that?
[07:48] <LaserJock> we don't usually include the C and H atoms explicitly
[07:48] <cbx33> I know....but for effects sake...it'd look cool make the molecule a little more complex
[07:48] <cbx33> and if you could make the image a little larger that'd be great
[07:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: reload
[07:49] <cbx33> oooh 
[07:49] <cbx33> much better
[07:49] <cbx33> do you ever expand the CH3 into a diagram at the end?
[07:49] <LaserJock> I could do a wonderful opengl rendering of it in 3D too, but ...
[07:49] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can do like http://www.sdsc.edu/discovery/chem-act/caffeine.html
[07:50] <LaserJock> but that gets kinda messy
[07:51] <cbx33> oooh
[07:51] <cbx33> could we do that.....pretty please
[07:51] <cbx33> would fill the gap I have a little better
[07:51] <cbx33> whats the diff between CH3 and H3C
[07:52] <LaserJock> well, you do that so it's clear that the bond is to the C
[07:52] <cbx33> ok
[07:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: here's one from my own research http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/bromoBIPS.gif
[07:54] <cbx33> oooh
[07:54] <cbx33> can I have that one?
[07:54] <LaserJock> yes
[07:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: reload the caffeine one
[07:58] <LaserJock> cbx33: that's how we would draw it fully
[07:59] <LaserJock> cbx33: and those are just .gifs to show you, I can do better quality I think too if you want
[08:00] <sbalneav> ogra: Sexy!
[08:15] <ogra> 30 lines of beauty :)
[08:16] <ogra> this socket was the best we ever added ... i owe you a barrel of beer fo pushing for it :)
[08:28] <cbx33> oooh LaserJock I like that
[08:28] <cbx33> I'll bookmark that
[08:28] <cbx33> we have to pop out but we'll be back
[08:29] <cbx33> 5.5 hours till FF ?
[08:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: let me know what you need
[08:29] <cbx33> am I right?
[08:29] <LaserJock> hmm, Kamion said 4 hrs, 30 min ago in -devel
[08:29] <TeePOG> erm... FF?
[08:29] <cbx33> LaserJockthose are fine
[08:30] <LaserJock> TeePOG: Feature Freeze
[08:30] <LaserJock> TeePOG: the point at which we stop taking in new features and start focusing on bug fixing and stability
[08:32] <TeePOG> ohhhh ok, I thought a new version of Firefox had passed me by... </n00b idiocy>
[08:32] <LaserJock> heh, np
[08:35] <TeePOG> anyway, just thought I'd mention: I have Edubuntu LTSP booting successfully in a VMWare Player window on my Windows desktop. The system is a contented tent dweller :-D
[08:35] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:35] <cbx33> nice TeePOG
[08:35] <cbx33> now switch it
[08:36] <cbx33> put windows in the VM :D
[08:36] <TeePOG> lol, did that already... Windows, PC-BSD, and [when the torrent is done]  OS X 10.4.6
[08:37] <sbalneav> What, has apple torrented OS X?
[08:37] <TeePOG> erm... oops, was that out loud?
[08:37] <TeePOG> ;-] 
[08:37] <TeePOG> more precisely, OSx86
[08:37] <cbx33> :0
[08:38] <TeePOG> we're getting a whole network of Intel iMacs! I'll need to admin them
[08:38] <TeePOG> and not getting ANOTHER server just for that
[08:39] <TeePOG> i am buying a legal copy as well
[08:39] <TeePOG> so there :-P
[08:39] <LaserJock> just put Ubuntu on the iMacs ;-)
[08:39] <TeePOG> i wish, the designers want OS X for all the nice proggies :-(
[08:40] <TeePOG> anyway, is there a kernel out for the Core Duo yet?
[08:40] <cbx33> bbl guys
[08:40] <TeePOG> ciao cbx33
[08:41] <LaserJock> TeePOG: kernel?
[08:42] <TeePOG> or does it use the i386 / 686-smp kernel?
[08:42] <TeePOG> i have not really had a Core Duo to play wiff
[08:43] <TeePOG> i profess my ignorance
[08:43] <TeePOG> hmm
[08:44] <TeePOG> i profess my leaving as well, it's late
[08:44] <TeePOG> ciao guys
[08:44] <TeePOG> thanks for all the help
[10:08] <_acesuares> !seen ogra
[10:08] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 6m 39s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
[10:10] <Petaris> later all
[10:10] <cbx33> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005146.html :D
[10:11] <cbx33> brb
[10:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, somebody already commented on it I think
[10:13] <cbx33> heheh
[10:13] <cbx33> good or bad ?
[10:13] <cbx33> :p
[10:13] <cbx33> ogra_ any news?
[10:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: "ivoks: i could listen new edgy sounds whole day"
[10:13] <cbx33> :)
[10:13] <cbx33> wow cool
[10:14] <LaserJock> not sure if he meant the new login sounds, but I would assume so
[10:21] <cbx33> heheh
[10:21] <cbx33> are there other new sounds?
[10:21] <cbx33> :p
[10:39] <Amaranth> cbx33: they are awesome
[10:39] <Amaranth> but perhaps a bit long
[10:41] <LaserJock> Amaranth: hehe, you just need a slower machine
[10:41] <Amaranth> yeah... :P
[10:46] <Amaranth> XGL/compiz memory leak, brb
[10:48] <cbx33> they may be a little long for edgy
[10:48] <cbx33> not tried
[10:48] <cbx33> perfect for dapper on an AMD64 machine
[10:52] <Amaranth> cbx33: I get back to gdm in about 1 second, how long is the logout sound? :P
[11:02] <cbx33> aww shucks
[11:02] <cbx33> sorry Amaranth
[11:05] <cbx33> about 6-7 secs i think :p
[11:06] <cbx33> I'm hoping to get a shiny new sound card to rerecord them
[11:07] <cbx33> LaserJock you still around bud?
[11:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:12] <hareem> ok how can i start gproftpd from the shell. what is the command
[11:13] <LaserJock> gksudo gproftpd
[11:14] <hareem> doesnt work laser
[11:16] <LaserJock> hareem: are you getting an error message?
[11:17] <hareem> no
[11:17] <hareem> i installed the prepacked file for gproftpd
[11:19] <LaserJock> does gproftpd start up?
[11:19] <hareem> no
[11:22] <hareem> so what should i do
[11:23] <LaserJock> hmm, it's odd that gproftpd doesn't start up
[11:24] <LaserJock> but I would have just installed vsftpd
[11:28] <hareem> i know. But i need a gui based ftp server
[11:28] <LaserJock> well, but the GUI isn't working
[11:28] <LaserJock> vsftpd is pretty to set up from what I've read
[11:29] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP1.jpg
[11:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: I like it, it kinda seems bottom heavy
[11:30] <cbx33> yeh
[11:30] <cbx33> to leave room for icons
[11:30] <cbx33> but i know what you mean
[11:30] <LaserJock> people put icons on the top?
[11:30] <cbx33> yup
[11:31] <LaserJock> hmm, I do the side or bottom mostly
[11:32] <cbx33> heheh
[11:34] <LaserJock> people are weird creatures for sure :-)
[11:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, the background would kill my eyes but I think it looks great
[11:34] <cbx33> heheh
[11:34] <cbx33> ogra_ you around old buddy old pal?
[11:35] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP2.jpg
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, that's nice
[11:35] <LaserJock> but my molecule left :(
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh well
[11:36] <Burgwork> cbx33, too much english text, but otherwise I like it
[11:37] <LaserJock> Burgwork: interesting point
[11:37] <cbx33> LaserJock refresh it
[11:38] <cbx33> heh...
[11:38] <cbx33> Burgworkwe can change that
[11:38] <cbx33> it's a concept
[11:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know, the first one does look cleaner
[11:38] <cbx33> as opposed to a fully fledged idea
[11:38] <LaserJock> is that SCP code?
[11:38] <cbx33> yeh...
[11:38] <cbx33> the plugin handler
[11:39] <LaserJock> did you ask the permission of the author? ;-)
[11:39] <cbx33> ummm....oh shute no I forgot..
[11:39] <cbx33> lemme just ask
[11:40] <LaserJock> heh
[11:40] <cbx33> he said no
[11:40] <cbx33> damn !
[11:40] <LaserJock> lol
[11:41] <_acesuares_> !SEEN OGRA
[11:41] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 1h 39m 45s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
[11:42] <cbx33> brb
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: heh, you want to know the full name of that molecule?
[11:45] <cbx33> yeh
[11:45] <cbx33> sure !
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: 6,8-dibromo-1,3-dihydro-1,3,3-trimethyspiro[2H -1-benzopyran-2,2-(2H )-indole] 
[11:45] <cbx33> I do like telling people what PTFE stands for
[11:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, ok...you got a common name for that
[11:46] <cbx33> like polytetrafluraethelyene ?
[11:46] <cbx33> is that spelt right :p
[11:46] <LaserJock> I call it 6,8-dibromoBIPS
[11:46] <LaserJock> s/flura/fluro/ I believe
[11:46] <cbx33> ah
[11:46] <cbx33> close
[11:47] <cbx33> hey jono
[11:48] <cbx33> I sure hope edgy wine runs photoshop
[11:48] <jono> hey cbx33 
[11:48] <cbx33> else I'll be miffed :p
[11:48] <LaserJock> heh
[11:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: no gimp for you?
[11:48] <cbx33> gimp is ok
[11:48] <cbx33> but without adjustment layers it's of little use to me
[11:49] <LaserJock> I can't use either really
[12:01] <cbx33> LaserJock, you have PS?
[12:01] <LaserJock> PS?
[12:01] <cbx33> PhotoShop !
[12:02] <LaserJock> oh, I used too, I have a great uncle that works for a publishing company just down the street from Adobe
[12:02] <LaserJock> he used to send me beta cds that Adobe would send to them
[12:02] <cbx33> jono, Johnny and Jennifer Yellow-hat
[12:02] <cbx33> cool
[12:03] <jono> cbx33, haha
[12:03] <jono> :P
[12:05] <Burgwork> jono!
[12:06] <jono> hey Burgwork :)