[12:12] <Lure> sebas: reporting.current and reporting.last_full exist though and look sane here - I can add this as last fallback
[12:13] <sebas> Sure.
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ok thanks jdong_ 
[12:13] <sebas> Fixes look good, thanks.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> is anyone using kde 3.5.2/3.5.3?
[12:26] <lnxkde> check my blog and tell me if you think it need something more? please people :D www.lnxkde.blogspot.com
[12:26] <lnxkde> 3.5.4 here
[12:28] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i need 2 people or 1 person with bot konq 3.5.2 and/or 3.5.3
[12:29] <gnomefreak> s/bot/both
[12:29] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: For ?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: a bug im working on
[12:29] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I have 3.5.3
[12:30] <gnomefreak> oik give me a sec 
[12:30] <gnomefreak> https://secure.fundsxpress.com/piles/fxweb.pile/login?iid=4LSBLI
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: does that show for you?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> that page will either open for you or error and tell you to install a newer version of netscape ect
[12:32] <Riddell> lnxkde: it would be better if it didn't use homophobic terminology
[12:32] <lnxkde> true
[12:34] <lnxkde> Riddell: sorry 
[12:34] <lnxkde> Riddell: just updated
[12:35] <Riddell> lnxkde: much better :)
[12:35] <lnxkde> what you think I should add or remove?
[12:35] <lnxkde> or fix?
[12:36] <imbrandon> the plf you have breezy repos, if your gonna use those you might atlease use the dapper ones ;)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> is there plans to send 3.5.3 to dapper? as default?
[12:37] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, not afaik
[12:37] <gnomefreak> if hobbsee is right and im right it might be a very good idea
[12:38] <imbrandon> it would be too much to backport, better just to fix problems
[12:38] <lnxkde> imbrandon: true I have been using them since dapper realease wjn plf havent updated
[12:39] <imbrandon> seveas repos > plf anyhow ;)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> she says theres a bug with banking sites and konq. 
[12:39] <gnomefreak> lnxkde: !easysource ;)
[12:39] <lnxkde> what?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> !easysource
[12:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:40] <gnomefreak> lnxkde: go there those are a list of extra repos :)
[12:40] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, yea i seen it, its a https bug, but i still dont see the reason for backporting a whole DE for that
[12:40] <gnomefreak> plf being one of them
[12:41] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: i dont know what is wrong with it im trying to find someone to test it on 3.5.2 and 3.5.3 to see if anything changed or atleast confirm it would be good
[12:42] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, yea but thats still something that can goto -updates or -security as a patch , no real need for the whole DE
[12:42] <imbrandon> brb
[12:42] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: agreed
[12:42] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, just beet a kubuntu 6.06.1 livecd
[12:42] <imbrandon> and try it ;)
[12:43] <imbrandon> food time bbiab
[12:43] <imbrandon> s/beet/boot
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ah didnt think of that :)
[12:46] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Sorry for the delay.  That URL works in konqueror here
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: 3.5.3
[12:47] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: That is correct
[12:47] <gnomefreak> or 3.5.2?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[12:47] <Hawkwind> Yep
[12:47] <gnomefreak> im gonna see if i cant try booting livecd
[12:47] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:50] <lnxkde> imbrandon: thankx updated the blog with the latest plf :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:10] <kwwii> and now for something at least a little bit different:
[01:10] <imbrandon> heh
[01:10] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kdm_idea.png
[01:11] <imbrandon> WOW
[01:11] <kwwii> the icons are just quickly done, to prove the idea
[01:11] <imbrandon> thats the best thing i've seen so far, thats a good mix of blue purple
[01:12] <imbrandon> i would raise the logo just a TAD more though, to make it stand out more, still over lap but higher
[01:12] <imbrandon> but thats fskin awesom ( compared to now LOL )
[01:12] <kwwii> :-)
[01:12] <kwwii> we will see if there is enough time to get that kind of thing to work
[01:13] <imbrandon> friday the 13th , heh i just noticed
[01:15] <Riddell> kwwii: lovely
[01:15] <imbrandon> now i rember why i hated gentoo, its fskin taking 2 days to emerge everything
[01:16] <Hawkwind> kwwii: That is exceptional looking
[01:16] <kwwii> good to hear people like it ;-)
[01:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: this begs the obvious question of.. huh?
[01:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, heh my cluster still runs gentoo ( unless you can convince the ubuntu kernel team to make a xbox kernel package heheh )
[01:17] <imbrandon> vmlinuz.xbe ;)
[01:18] <imbrandon> i picked up 2 more ( to bring the total to 10 ) xboxes , but the thing is you cant image the drives becosue of the hdd locking in the bios
[01:19] <imbrandon> so i have to install/emerge everything to add an xbox to the cluster
[01:19] <kwwii> any good reason not to update my ppc edgy box?
[01:19] <Riddell> kwwii: any good reason to update it?
[01:19] <kwwii> Riddell: sound would be nice eventually
[01:19] <imbrandon> heh
[01:20] <Riddell> that's why I have a radio
[01:20] <Riddell> DAB has some groovy stations on it
[01:20] <sebas> The sound driver is not fixed in the kernel edgy ships, or is it backported?
[01:20] <kwwii> Riddell: man, you need to come to southern germany and listen to the radio
[01:20] <imbrandon> kwwii, sucks ?
[01:20] <kwwii> the radio here is total crap
[01:20] <sebas> kwwii: Time to get into kernel compiling :>
[01:21] <kwwii> well, it is great if you like bon jovi and lionel richie, interspersed with "it's raining men"
[01:21] <imbrandon> plus frostwire rocks ;)
[01:21] <sebas> Celine Dion, not to forget
[01:21] <imbrandon> hahaha
[01:21] <kwwii> sebas: dude, if I knew a person who knew what they were doing I would try it :-)
[01:22] <jdong_> imbrandon: but gentoo's optimized for my computer... I just emerged firefox with "-O99 -fomit-frame-pointer -fweb -ffast-math -msse99" and it flies :)
[01:22] <imbrandon> omg jdong die irl kthxbye
[01:22] <jdong_> :)
[01:22] <jdong_> but seriously, firefox does benefit here from some cflags loving
[01:23] <imbrandon> kwwii, just for you ^^
[01:23] <jdong_> alright, who made the gtk-qt engine settings disappear from KSS?
[01:23] <imbrandon> jdong while your at it compile it with qt widgets ( --with-default-toolkit=qt )
[01:24] <jdong_> imbrandon: does that actually _work
[01:24] <jdong_> ?
[01:24] <imbrandon> dunno, its supose to, never tried
[01:24] <jdong_> uhh
[01:25] <imbrandon> would be nice to have a firefox-kde packages though ;)
[01:25] <imbrandon> i dont think any other distro does it
[01:25] <imbrandon> probably good reason too
[01:25] <imbrandon> lol
[01:26] <sebas> (removed hwdb + p-m links)
[01:26] <sebas> The topic now actually fits on 5000px wide screens!
[01:26] <imbrandon> ahh i was just trying to see what changed ;)
[01:26] <kwwii> imbrandon: that is probably the best song that guy wrote
[01:26] <imbrandon> kwwii, hahah yea its the only one i had in my collection ;)
[01:26] <sebas> Yes, even faith no more knows.
[01:26] <kwwii> we was a commodore, or?
[01:27] <imbrandon> not sure
[01:27] <sebas> !bed
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <kwwii> s/we/he
[01:27] <imbrandon> gnight sebas
[01:27] <sebas> gnight
[01:27] <kwwii> night sebas 
[01:27] <sebas> :*
[01:28] <jdong_> @lart sebas kicking ubotu
[01:28] <imbrandon> now that was a joke , but /this/ is good , man nickleback rocks
[01:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:28] <imbrandon> ok enough of that script
[01:29] <imbrandon>  .... i'm gonna trade this life for fortune and fame , i'll even cut my hair and change my name ..... 
[01:31] <imbrandon> kwwii, but to answer you , my ppc runs edgy fine , but then again it installes from the livecd fine too
[01:31] <jdong_> grr
[01:31] <imbrandon> sooo take that with some salt ;)
[01:31] <jdong_> stupid enter key
[01:33] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder if i should try to compile a ubuntu xbox kernel
[01:34] <jdong_> imbrandon: probably not :)
[01:34] <jdong_> imbrandon: why not have your gentoo kernel boot ubuntu?
[01:34] <jdong_> debootstrap is available in portage, right?
[01:35] <imbrandon> ohh wow, someone already has ........ http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/xbox-cromwell
[01:35] <imbrandon> jdong yea debootstap is in portage, thats how i use the xbox to compile sid/edgy packages
[01:36] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, my laptop does as well, but I just got the wlan running, so I do not want to mess it up :p
[01:36] <imbrandon> heheh airport extreem or airport classic? my classic works outa the box
[01:36] <imbrandon> just have to put the wep key in
[01:36] <kwwii> extreme
[01:37] <imbrandon> ahhh yea restriced firmware stuff
[01:37] <kwwii> wow, I needed to put the firmware bits in the right dir
[01:37] <imbrandon> yup
[01:37] <imbrandon> yea for the extreeme, the classic "just works"(tm)
[01:38] <imbrandon> just have to load the airport and orinoco modules
[01:38] <imbrandon> ( but the installer does that )
[01:38] <jdong_> well... extreme works too.. all you have to do is modprobe bcm43xx and then cut the firmware and.... j/k :)
[01:38] <imbrandon> hehe yea the extreeme works but is a pita
[01:38] <imbrandon> as kwwii just noted ;)
[01:39] <jdong_> shiny... new monodevelop
[01:39] <jdong_> that doesn't compile on edgy :)
[01:43] <imbrandon> newer than 0.11 ?
[01:45] <kwwii> Riddell: what are the individual percentage icons in power manager for? it uses a nifty tooltip to show the percent
[01:45] <jdong_> imbrandon: 0.12 :)
[01:45] <jdong_> imbrandon: code completion working for C# generics
[01:45] <kwwii> I won't ask why two of them open every time I start kde
[01:46] <jdong_> imbrandon: compiles if you yank out nunit though :)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> btw imbrandon ty i was able to open in with 6.06 live kubuntu
[01:55] <kwwii> brb
[01:58] <jdong_> WHERE IS MY NEW KERNEL????
[01:58] <jdong_> j/k ;)
[01:58] <Hawkwind> Linux Britannia 2.6.17.11 #1 SMP Thu Aug 24 21:42:52 CDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:58] <Hawkwind> :P
[01:58] <Hawkwind> Nothing newer except beta stuff
[01:58] <jdong_> Hawkwind: yeah yeah, I have that crap in my bzr branches, too
[01:58] <jdong_> don't feel like breaking it out :)
[01:58] <Hawkwind> Hah
[01:58] <jdong_> I dist-upgraded to edgy for a reason dammit
[01:59] <Hawkwind> This is on Dapper
[01:59] <jdong_> Hawkwind: I had my custom 2.6.17.11's when I ran dapper, too
[01:59] <jdong_> then I got tired of maintaining a half-dapper half-edgy system :)
[02:00] <kwwii> well, that was quick
[02:01] <imbrandon> heh
[02:01] <kwwii> after updating I get 8-10 lines more error messages
[02:01] <kwwii> nifty
[02:01] <kwwii> no usplash at all yet
[02:01] <jdong_> :)
[02:02] <imbrandon> hrm lug radio live ( with jono ) in 30 minutes
[02:02] <kwwii> jono? is that bono's brother?
[02:02] <uni`nix> lug radio live?  at 1am
[02:02] <uni`nix> haha ya
[02:03] <uni`nix> jono is doing the radio show that they do in new york or whatever..i think that is tonight
[02:04] <imbrandon> uni`nix, yea its in 30 minutes ( live broadcast )
[02:04] <uni`nix> man..i miss all the good stuff
[02:04] <imbrandon> kwwii, jono the ubuntu community manager or what ever his title is
[02:04] <imbrandon> heh
[02:04] <uni`nix> i will grab a recording later
[02:04] <uni`nix> that radio show is usually pretty blah...every now and then they have some good stuff though
[02:04] <kwwii> imbrandon: thanks
[02:05] <imbrandon> yea i dont like the show much either but i catch it when they have someone from ubuntu on
[02:05] <imbrandon> like the last one i listened to they had sabdfl
[02:05] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Riddell: uploading qcomicbook
[02:06] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ok 
[02:06] <freeflying> morning all
[02:06] <imbrandon> kwwii, http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=758
[02:06] <ryanakca> kwwii: I'm creating the .dsc for that icon set... I'll upload it shortly, I'll run it threw pbuilder-edgy first
[02:08] <kwwii> ryanakca: I thought we couldn#t use it?
[02:08] <ryanakca> can you run multiple instance of plbuilder at once?
[02:08] <kwwii> ryanakca: probably
[02:08] <ryanakca> kwwii: I worked it out with the guy and all
[02:09] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea
[02:09] <kwwii> ryanakca: ;-)
[02:09] <ryanakca> kwwii: he had downloaded from everaldo... so, he had to ask (he didn't download from kde-look)
[02:10] <kwwii> ahhhhh
[02:10] <ryanakca> kwwii: oh, and the guy would prefer that we put in a way to switch to his wierd kmenu icon during install instead of the sane normal klogo... follow his wishes or not?
[02:11] <kwwii> to be honest, unless we get a full theme which is better, or a partial one which highights our dist.-look I am not sure if it is a good idea to change icons since we will do it again for kde4
[02:11] <ryanakca> his klogo icon is a bird-like monster called ferny. He also packaged a sane blue klogo icon...
[02:11] <kwwii> ryanakca: definitely do not follow his kmenu idea :p
[02:11] <ryanakca> lol
[02:11] <ryanakca> thank-you. Didn't think so :)
[02:12] <kwwii> the one interesting thing about the bird is that when kde starts the icon bounces (the animation I hate) and it almost looks like it is flapping it's wings
[02:13] <kwwii> but even if I like a freaky mutant owl, I do not want it on the main menu :-)
[02:13] <ryanakca> lol
[02:13] <ryanakca> nor do I... if it was a bird watching encyclopedia-like app, maybe.
[02:13] <kwwii> although it has some neat icons, the ones in the default panel setup look pretty bad at that size
[02:15] <Riddell> kwwii: the percentage icons are used in both the tooltip and the systray icon
[02:17] <ryanakca> I dont have the default panel setup, and holy... holy! running 2 pbuilders and a dist-upgrade at once on this machine was a bad idea...
[02:18] <ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 37/186GB, RAM: 353/375MB, 191 proc's, 6.21d up
[02:18] <ryanakca> s/holy!/ 
[02:18] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, thanks...sorry for the stupid question, I do not even have a battery
[02:18] <kwwii> ryanakca: I hate it worse when I type something in the wrong window
[02:19] <ryanakca> lol
[02:21] <kwwii> one of the biggest features I can think of that I miss from SUSE is to install without wiping out a home dir
[02:21] <Riddell> kwwii: you can do that
[02:21] <kwwii> Riddell: how?
[02:21] <Riddell> just don't format whatever partition the home directory is on
[02:21] <kwwii> I guess it is somewhere in the partitioner
[02:21] <kwwii> well, I only have one partition for all of root
[02:22] <kwwii> next time I wipe everything I should simply make a /home partition, I know
[02:22] <kwwii> but then how do I update all my desktop settings?
[02:23] <Riddell> update in what way?
[02:23] <kwwii> ahhh, forget that
[02:23] <kwwii> it is late
[02:23] <kwwii> I should go to bed
[02:23] <kwwii> soon
[02:23] <kwwii> :-)
[02:23] <kwwii> I cannot stop working on KDM
[02:24] <kwwii> I saw that the knot2 edgy theme is already on kde-look.org
[02:25] <Riddell> I wonder who did that
[02:25] <kwwii> well, I will wait with any update for a while
[02:26] <kwwii> get the most bang for the buck, so to speak
[02:26] <Riddell> Knot 3 probably next week
[02:30] <kwwii> around which day?
[02:31] <kwwii> I could include the usplash, kdm, ksplash, wallpaper, and update the amarok theme
[02:31] <kwwii> imbrandon: why is the right corner of every about page still blue?
[02:31] <Riddell> kwwii: not sure which day, hopefully towards the end of the week
[02:32] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, the more towards the end, the better
[02:33] <kwwii> probably have to tweak the colors and the window deco as well
[02:33] <imbrandon> kwwii, becosue the images arent done ( the only one i finished was konqueror ) and it got uploaded to kdebase ( not kdelibs )
[02:33] <imbrandon> or vice versa
[02:34] <imbrandon> the konqi top-right-konqueror.png i sent to Riddell but somehow dident make it in the patch
[02:34] <imbrandon> actualy i think it did , just the worgong place
[02:34] <imbrandon> wrong*
[02:35] <Riddell> the help documentation has the purple blue fun the other way round :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> most of the images should have went to /kdeui/about but the top right png's are in the /<appname>/about
[02:35] <imbrandon> wow nice LOL
[02:36] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:36] <imbrandon> the help center is using the konqui image
[02:36] <imbrandon> that is supose to be in <konqui>/about 
[02:37] <Riddell> I just did what you told me :)
[02:37] <imbrandon> hehe yea , i probably told you wrong in the mail, there was one image from that email that needed to be in another package
[02:37] <imbrandon> the images are spread between kdebase and kdelibs
[02:37] <imbrandon> so it kinda sucks
[02:37] <kwwii> well, we need to work that out
[02:38] <kwwii> and I am not sure if the total purple effect is the best anyway
[02:38] <imbrandon> yea i dont like it either
[02:38] <kwwii> I mean, purple is nice, but let's not go too far
[02:38] <imbrandon> special with the more blue 
[02:38] <imbrandon> right
[02:38] <imbrandon> it sounded good but in practice it sucks
[02:38] <imbrandon> plus ontop of that , those arent
[02:38] <kwwii> it has been my opinion, since I made the bg's, that the blue-purple version will be default because everyone will like it more
[02:39] <imbrandon> easy to change if someone wants to change from the default theme
[02:39] <kwwii> the orange-purple was meant to sell everyone on purple and give them something to complain about
[02:39] <kwwii> although I like it myself
[02:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:40] <imbrandon> tbh i say we revert the purple stuff on all the /about pages and leave it default
[02:40] <kwwii> I think that the orange-purple version ties in nicely with Ubuntu
[02:40] <imbrandon> but what do you think kwwii / Riddell ?
[02:40] <kwwii> imbrandon: for now at least, we should
[02:40] <imbrandon> heh orange and purple done mix well
[02:40] <kwwii> or we should work on it some more
[02:40] <imbrandon> to me
[02:41] <kwwii> we could actually change the pics a bit
[02:41] <imbrandon> well i say revert it for knot3 and then work on it as we have time ...... hows that ?
[02:41] <imbrandon> its just a diff so should be easy to pull out
[02:41] <kwwii> sounds best, as we will have a new blue-purple wallpaper, the blue will probably fit to some extent
[02:41] <imbrandon> on next recompile
[02:42] <imbrandon> kwwii, yea we'll just add some purple hilights on some things 
[02:42] <imbrandon> and leave the blue for the most part
[02:42] <kwwii> imbrandon: I could see the blue simply changing to the lighter blue in the middle of the new wallpaper
[02:42] <imbrandon> that way too if someone ( like me ) changes from the default theme they arent totaly stuck with an unchangeable image either
[02:42] <kwwii> perhaps a few purple things in the text usage, etc.
[02:42] <imbrandon> yea exactly, just in the css, not the iamges
[02:43] <imbrandon> images*
[02:43] <kwwii> exactly
[02:43] <imbrandon> ok i'll try to wrap that up in the next little while
[02:43] <kwwii> yeah, time for bed here
[02:43] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[02:43] <imbrandon> hehe sleep well kwwii
[02:44] <imbrandon> i should be arround earlier tomarrow
[02:44] <kwwii> 2:43 am is late enough
[02:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:44] <kwwii> my son is still on summer vacation from school
[02:44] <imbrandon> (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist 0)
[02:44] <imbrandon> gah
[02:44] <kwwii> and he somehow wants to get up early every day
[02:44] <imbrandon> hehehe
[02:45] <imbrandon> but durring school days sleep in ;)
[02:45] <kwwii> hehe, yeah...funny how that works
[02:53] <ryanakca> ooh... we swtiched to upstart, eh?
[02:53] <ryanakca> nice :)
[02:53] <Riddell> so long as you never shut down your computer
[02:54] <ryanakca> oh... ???
[02:54] <ryanakca> aptitude dist-upgrade automaticly installed it and uninstalled sysvinit
[02:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: anything I should know about? cancel the upgrade?
[02:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: nah, should be fine
[02:55] <Riddell> hi beligum 
[02:55] <beligum> hi Riddell
[02:56] <beligum> almost done packaging :)
[02:56] <ryanakca> beligum: you released those libraries and that screen capturing app?
[02:56] <beligum> jip
[02:56] <ryanakca> good :)
[02:56] <ryanakca> you packaging them? or do I still have a go at them?
[02:57] <ryanakca> upload them to REVU tommorow night... in time for REVU day...
[02:57] <ryanakca> or at least try
[02:57] <beligum> tomorrow REVU-day ?
[02:58] <ryanakca> Friday
[02:58] <ryanakca> Before the feature freeze
[02:58] <ryanakca> UniverseFreeze I mean
[02:59] <beligum> Can I get that REVU-URL again please? did a poweroff in the wrong shell :-$
[02:59] <ryanakca> meaning we can't upload stuff to the Universe any more...
[02:59] <ryanakca> revu.tauware.de I think...
[02:59] <ryanakca> yes
[02:59] <Riddell> beligum: have you asked for an account yet?
[03:00] <beligum> no, not yet
[03:00] <Riddell> beligum: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[03:00] <beligum> ah, k, that's the one I was looking for
[03:01] <ryanakca> so your packaging it?
[03:02] <beligum> jip, on it right now
[03:03] <ryanakca> kk
[03:03] <beligum> people told me I should do it myself
[03:03] <beligum> don't ask me why
[03:03] <ryanakca> lol
[03:04] <ryanakca> packaging is fun
[03:04] <ryanakca> and hey, if theres something wrong with it, you know the code and how to fix it :)
[03:04] <beligum> that's true
[03:05] <beligum> whow, apparently, I'm already subscribed to Launchpad
[03:05] <beligum> it's like the M$ Passport feeling all over again
[03:06] <ryanakca> lol
[03:06] <ryanakca> wiki and launchpad and bazaar share the same database (I think)
[03:06] <beligum> you'd think
[03:13] <beligum> damn, I forgot how to NOT include the header files
[03:13] <beligum> in a make build script
[03:14] <beligum> In Makefile.am, I've pkginclude_HEADERS
[03:14] <beligum> but those header files get installed, how do I prevent this?
[03:14] <beligum> substitute with include_HEADERS ?
[03:24] <Riddell> noinclude_HEADERS or something like that
[03:26] <beligum> Ok, got registered with pgp at launchpad
[03:27] <uni`nix> now, you just gotta sign that CoC, become an Ubuntero, and you are on your way to....i don't know actually, so you can just fill this in with whatever ;)
[03:28] <crimsun> (membership)
[03:28] <uni`nix> ya that too ;)
[03:36] <kwwii> membership=good
[03:36] <kwwii> oops, I am sleeping
[03:41] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Riddell: uploaded qcomicbook
[03:42] <ryanakca> and I'm going to bed, so any comments you have, can you post them on REVU?
[03:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: to where?
[03:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: just a second... I'll get REVU link
[03:42] <beligum> ok, just sold my soul ;-)
[03:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's fine, I can find it
[03:42] <beligum> 2nd package nearly done
[03:42] <Riddell> although I'm ofdf to bed too
[03:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: well, I won't be back till around this time tommorow.... schools back in session :)
[03:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: G'night :D
[03:45] <ryanakca> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3044
[03:46] <Riddell> beligum: you can put the .debs and sources on any web server if you want us to look at them before you get your revu account set up of course
[03:54] <beligum> Would someone be prepared to look at the .debs for ScreenKast and libinstrudeo?
[03:54] <beligum> http://instrudeo.bpower2.com/packages/ubuntu-dapper/
[04:05] <beligum> I'll come back tomorrow, got to get some sleep, before you all read lines and lines of bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[04:07] <beligum> bye
[04:08] <Jucato> mornin' Hobbsee! :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato :)
[04:12] <uni`nix> hiya Hobbsee ;)
[04:12] <uni`nix> exploded?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> the total unread jumped from 1 to 80.
[04:13] <uni`nix> hehe
[04:13] <uni`nix> is the Ubuntu Uploader/Syncher working again?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> when wasnt it?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and you're meaning soyuz, or what?
[04:13] <uni`nix> hehe
[04:14] <uni`nix> no, edgy-changes or commits rather
[04:14] <uni`nix> the Ubuntu Installer at times loads up a bunch of files and hits the inbox kind of hard
[04:14] <uni`nix> Ubuntu users is anohter one
[04:14] <Hobbsee> uni`nix: that's because it's manually done.
[04:16] <uni`nix> ya
[04:16] <uni`nix> oh well..time to head home
[04:16] <uni`nix> cya in a few
[05:41] <Jucato> imbrandon: the Storage Media in Konqueror's navigation panel still uses "media:/"
[05:42] <imbrandon> storage media ?
[05:43] <Jucato> yes, Konqueror's Navigation panel, Services > Storage Media
[05:44] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[05:44] <Jucato> heh, sorry if I was being vague :)
[05:44] <Jucato> just remembered you saying to inform you if some things still point to media:/ :)
[05:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:35] <nixternal> what is the gcc version for dapper?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> !info gcc
[06:37] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-1 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:37] <nixternal> 4.0.3
[06:37] <nixternal> thanks
[06:37] <nixternal> grrr ;)
[06:38] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[06:38] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[06:38] <imbrandon> ?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> remind me to get a laptop that has a better battery life next time.
[06:38] <imbrandon> *cough*apple*cough*
[06:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:39] <imbrandon> i'd sell you my lappy but shipping would be insane
[06:39] <Hobbsee> hah
[06:39] <Hobbsee> what are the battery life on them like?
[06:40] <imbrandon> mine gets 4+ hours deepending on what i'm doing
[06:40] <freeflying> imbrandon: ibook?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> right
[06:40] <imbrandon> if i dont compile or use the cd-rom about 5 , if i do about 3 or 3.5
[06:40] <imbrandon> yea an ibook freeflying
[06:41] <imbrandon> most of the time its a mix so i get about 4 ;)
[06:41] <imbrandon> freeflying, 3 hours is still better than most x86 laptops that get aobut 45 minutes if your lucky
[06:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:42] <freeflying> imbrandon: some thinkpad can use 4 hrs  :)
[06:43] <imbrandon> yea but most thinkpads i've seen that can have zero nice features like the other x86 or apples ;)
[06:43] <imbrandon> sides they dont make thinkpads anymore , well IBM dosent
[06:44] <freeflying> I prepare to buy a thinkpad  :)
[06:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:45] <freeflying> using ibook, I can't do may stuffs in China  :p
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you check out https://launchpad.net/bugs/54326 please?
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54326 in kdelibs "Broken kdelibs4-dev package" [Untriaged,Rejected]  
[07:34] <Hobbsee> is that from your packages?
[07:39] <imbrandon> dosent it say rejected
[07:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: apparently it's a bug for something else, i changed the status back
[07:40] <imbrandon> um you unrejected it ? did you reporduce it ?
[07:40] <imbrandon> becosue i cant
[07:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dapper?
[07:41] <imbrandon> yes
[07:41] <Hobbsee> i set it to unconfirmed
[07:41] <imbrandon> right but my thinking is someone rejected it for a reason
[07:42] <imbrandon> and if it cant be reporduced
[07:42] <imbrandon> then why unreject it
[07:42] <Jucato> hm... is there a way I could check if it's installed on my dapper system, while I'm on edgy?
[07:42] <imbrandon> Jucato, a chroot would work if you set one up
[07:42] <Jucato> oh... except that :)
[07:42] <Jucato> I was going to check if I had kdelibs4-dev installed :)
[07:43] <imbrandon> heh where is your dapper mounted ?
[07:43] <Jucato>  /media/hdb1 :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i set it rejected
[07:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: due to unsynced mirrors or something
[07:43] <Hobbsee> didnt even think about dapper
[07:43] <imbrandon> chroot /media/hdb1 /bin/bash
[07:43] <imbrandon> its that simple ;)
[07:43] <Jucato> ah ok, will try :)
[07:43] <abattoir> could it be becuase he doesnt have backports enabled by any chance?
[07:44] <abattoir> *he/she
[07:44] <Jucato> ?
[07:44] <imbrandon> no , what does backports have to do with it ?
[07:44] <Jucato> he's just trying to install kdelibs4-dev...
[07:44] <Jucato> imbrandon: does that command need a "sudo"?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> he/she/it
[07:44] <imbrandon> Jucato, possibly
[07:44] <Jucato> :)
[07:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'm an "it" now ;)
[07:45] <imbrandon> everyone is an "it" ;)
[07:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: are you now?  why so?
[07:45] <abattoir> backports/updates/security updates...
[07:45] <imbrandon> dunno just being silly
[07:45] <imbrandon> abattoir, update and security updates are seperate from backports, the former is supported the latter isnt
[07:46] <imbrandon> and enabled by default where the latter isnt
[07:46] <Hobbsee> neither should let anything break though.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> by the same token, universe isnt supported
[07:46] <Jucato> hm.. seems like I have it installed on my Dapper
[07:46] <imbrandon> and none have anything to do with that bug
[07:46] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea , it should stay rejected then, it was probably a pre-release dapper bug
[07:47] <imbrandon> done deal ;)
[07:47] <imbrandon> see wasent too hard ;)
[07:47] <Jucato> err... wait... 2 versions of kdelibs4-dev?
[07:47] <imbrandon> Jucato, type exit to leave the chroot
[07:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that last comment was a day or so ago?
[07:47] <Jucato> err 3 versions..
[07:47] <imbrandon> Jucato, dpkg -l|grep ii|grep <pkgname>
[07:47] <imbrandon> you cant have 3 installed
[07:48] <Hobbsee> or just apt-cache policy kdelibs-dev
[07:48] <Jucato> not installed, but 3 available from different sources
[07:48] <Jucato> used madison
[07:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, that dosent tell you if its installed
[07:48] <imbrandon> neither does madison
[07:48] <Jucato> dapper main, dapper-security, and kubuntu.org
[07:48] <imbrandon> madsion == wrong tool for the job
[07:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure it does
[07:48] <Jucato> eh :)
[07:49] <imbrandon> Jucato, try to install it
[07:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ahh 
[07:49] <Jucato> I already have it installed
[07:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: under "Installed: "
[07:49] <imbrandon> ahh ok good deal, you can "exit" to leave the chroot
[07:49] <Jucato> :)
[07:50] <Jucato> yay! I learned another trick :)
[07:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, true , i use grep becouse i look for more than one package most of the time
[07:50] <Jucato> chroot ftw :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: point
[07:50] <nixternal> init 0 ftw
[07:50] <imbrandon> Jucato, chroot is a powerfull tool, be carefull with it ;)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> Jucato: exactly.  i've asked that the doco get updated to add that in, but it hasnt happened yet, to my knowledge
[07:50] <imbrandon> just FYI
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, add chroot ?
[07:51] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that is all being worked on, slowly but surely...im not part of that hard project, that is for sure
[07:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how are chroots dangerous?  particularly if you're logged into one.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, yeah.  that's one of the more dangerous commands
[07:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, becouse you login as ROOT ;)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right.
[07:51] <Jucato> heh
[07:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not over your own system though
[07:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: in a chroot
[07:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, he was ROOT on his dapper box ;)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you can rm -rf anythign you like in the chroot, and it makes no difference once you ctrl+d...
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ahh okay
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yes, well
[07:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yes it does
[07:52] <imbrandon> OMG
[07:52] <imbrandon> your thinking pbuilder
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:52] <imbrandon> NOT pbuilder
[07:52] <Jucato> heh
[07:52] <Hobbsee> so i figured :P
[07:52] <imbrandon> a full chroot like i told him, you rm -rf something in a chroot its GONE ;)
[07:53] <Jucato> maybe I won't need to login as root if the partition's UID/GID was mine?
[07:53] <imbrandon> Jucato, the command chroot alone makes you login as root
[07:53] <Jucato> ah
[07:54] <imbrandon> chroots are very dangerous if not used right, like if he "sudo chroot /dev/hdb1 /bin/bash" then "sudo apt-get remove kde*" and logged into dapper it would not have kde
[07:54] <Hobbsee> true that
[07:54] <Jucato> ouch...
[07:54] <imbrandon> its loke logging onto the system with your running kernel as root
[07:54] <Hobbsee> i was thinking of a dapper pbuilder chroot that you were logged into.  *shrugs*
[07:54] <imbrandon> s/loke/like
[07:55] <imbrandon> yea pbuilder is not a "true" chroot , well it is but it has many other scripts that "reset" it on logout
[07:55] <imbrandon> pbuilder is totaly diffrent
[07:56] <imbrandon> thus at the end of a build you see "cleaning build env...." 
[07:56] <imbrandon> thats "resetting" it to pristine condition
[07:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: actually, it doesnt get reset.  i'm going to be nitpicky
[07:56] <imbrandon> the only ceveat to that is when you use "pbuilder login --save-after-login"
[07:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it extracts the stuff out of the base tarball, and builds a chroot in $pbuilder/$distro/builds/
[07:57] <Hobbsee> it just deletes the directory
[07:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, well it gets deleted and never used again and the next use is a new base untar 
[07:57] <imbrandon> yea
[07:57] <Hobbsee> it doesnt modify the base.tgz unless you update it.
[07:57] <imbrandon> same result
[07:57] <Hobbsee> tha'ts my *point* :P
[07:57] <imbrandon> well it does if you use --save-after-login ;)
[07:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true that.  but who uses --save-after-login anwyay?  if you were going to do that, you may as well run a chroot and be done with it, because it's not goign to be pristine the next time you use it anyway.
[07:59] <imbrandon> still point is "chroot" the command can be just as dangerous as loggin in as root but can be even more powerfull for recovery from say a botched install using a livecd ;)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> well, logging in as root is of course dangerous.  was that the debate here?  :P
[07:59] <Jucato> hm... actually it all started with whether the bug report needs to be rejected or unconfirmed...
[08:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, alot of times, its easier to, say if your doing a package that needs a lib thats not in the repos but want a clean compile other than that, you copy the base manualy , save-after-login then minstall the lib  compile cop the old base back and done
[08:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ewww.
[08:00] <imbrandon> hey you asked why ;)
[08:00] <imbrandon> thats the "right" way ;)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i tend either add the extra repo i want, and --override-config or just sudo pbuilder login, wget the file, dpkg -i it, apt-get -f install, and then do whatever else.
[08:01] <imbrandon> otherwise you would have to compile the lib, upload it wait for it to hit the archive, then update the pbuilder then build the app
[08:01] <imbrandon> yea that works if its in another repo
[08:01] <imbrandon> but not if its a new lib like say libmtp
[08:01] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's where i use wget :P
[08:02] <Hobbsee> after installing it of course
[08:02] <imbrandon> Jucato, lol
[08:03] <imbrandon> ture , they both do the same thing , just diffrent ways
[08:03] <imbrandon> but with my way you dont have to worry about getting the finished deb OUT of the chroot when done
[08:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> point.  guess you want to do that, too.
[08:03] <imbrandon> unless you waana copy your gpg key etc to the chroot and dput it from there , thats a pita
[08:04] <Hobbsee> urgh
[08:04] <imbrandon> more math(s) ?
[08:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:04] <Hobbsee> no, the idea of installing all of that, just to dput
[08:04] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:04] <Hobbsee> or you could ssh it somewhere, of course, unsigned
[08:04] <imbrandon> still a pita 
[08:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:05] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[08:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no thats the point of a chroot , you cant
[08:05] <imbrandon> its cutoff fromt he rest of the system
[08:05] <Hobbsee> yes.
[08:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:05] <imbrandon> though you can bindmount
[08:05] <imbrandon> hahah /me quits
[08:06] <imbrandon> 3 minutes left on my 1.6 gb download
[08:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: be sure to get something to eat, not someone :)
[08:06] <imbrandon> heh i'll be awake from now till the meeting then sleep afterwords probably
[08:07] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:07] <Hobbsee> too slow.
[08:07] <imbrandon> lol
[08:07] <Jucato> lol
[08:07] <Jucato> oh.. so everyone can ping imbrandon today coz he's gonna be awake :)
[08:07] <Hobbsee> nooo!
[08:07] <imbrandon> Jucato, not likely ;)
[08:07] <Jucato> heh
[08:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: there are more bugs for you to fix in amarok i see.  get to it
[08:07] <imbrandon> and a glass of milk ?
[08:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i see them , i'll get to some today
[08:08] <Hobbsee> nice
[08:08] <imbrandon> some i'm waiting on for soyuz
[08:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: unlikely.
[08:08] <imbrandon> Jucato, not likely
[08:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, only if people bring in patches or something.
[08:08] <Jucato> actually, the KDE 3.5.4 bugs
[08:08] <Jucato> oh well... wishful thinking :)
[08:09] <imbrandon> 3.5.4 isnt official soooooo
[08:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:09] <imbrandon> patches will be to 3.5.2 only for dapper
[08:09] <Jucato> hey, Riddel said it was. officially Kubuntu
[08:09] <Hobbsee> it is
[08:09] <imbrandon> but not defautl
[08:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if they occur at all, you mean.
[08:10] <Jucato> patches to KDE 3.5.2? never heard of it :)
[08:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, heh yea , only MAJOR bugs and or security for dapper  ( and edgy for that matter ) after release
[08:10] <imbrandon> err Jucato
[08:10] <Jucato> ok.. I must have heard wrong :)
[08:10] <Hobbsee> people wont care about edgy so much though, after release, because it's not LTS
[08:10] <Hobbsee> people seem to be under the illusion that LTS == less bugs
[08:10] <Jucato> heh
[08:10] <imbrandon> lol
[08:10] <Jucato> not if they install KDE 3.5.4. though...
[08:10] <Hobbsee> anyway, class started 10 mins ago
[08:10] <imbrandon> lts , late to ship ;) hehehehehe
[08:10] <Hobbsee> well, we cant do mucha bout a buggy upstream.  *shrugs*
[08:11] <Jucato> btw, there would still be some who'd want Edgy just because of the kernel...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: of course.  i'd imagine most would update anyway
[08:11] <Jucato> heh
[08:13] <Jucato> hm.. an update on nvidia-glx...
[08:14] <Jucato> I wonder if that really is ryanakca... or just reconnectiong...
[08:16] <Jucato> is it me or did the GNOME 2.16 icons just got more... cartoonish?
[08:18] <Jucato> imbrandon: if you're not too busy, I'd just like to ask something
[08:18] <imbrandon> ask away , if i know i'll answer
[08:18] <imbrandon> if not i'll tell you to google ;)
[08:19] <Jucato> does it matter if I'm using Dapper's GRUB with Edgy entries in menu.lst?
[08:19] <Jucato> I mean,would I be missing anything?
[08:19] <imbrandon> nope
[08:19] <imbrandon> dosent matter at all
[08:19] <Jucato> ah thanks :)
[08:19] <Jucato> still couldn't get over that Error 18 experience :)
[08:20] <Jucato> I'm going to rearrange/remake my partitions after Edgy is released. I've learned my lessons... (and need still to learn some more...)
[08:20] <imbrandon> heh
[08:21] <Jucato> and I'll probably take you up on your offer to teach me, after Edgy :)
[08:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:30] <imbrandon> Jucato, here ya go http://federation.imbrandon.com/kde-osx-install.png
[08:30] <imbrandon> reinstalling it with the new kde4 binarys
[08:31] <Jucato> rawr!
[08:31] <Jucato> what installer is that?
[08:32] <imbrandon> the one rangerrick makes from the packages me and him and dcode put togather ( with kwwii art hehe )
[08:32] <Jucato> nice... /me drools...
[08:32] <Jucato> I can only dream of Oxygen for now... until I learn how to build it from SVN...
[08:33] <imbrandon> its even using the oxgyen icons becouse they were made for kde4 ;)
[08:33] <Jucato> btw, the Oxygen guys don't have plans of doing a new KDE icon for KDE4?
[08:33] <imbrandon> the one you see in that installer is the updated one
[08:34] <Jucato> but that's almost the same as everaldo's (....)
[08:34] <Jucato> so nice... I could keep staring at that 59% all day...
[08:34] <imbrandon> umm no
[08:34] <imbrandon> thats not "everaldos" at all
[08:34] <imbrandon> he helped with the old kde3 one
[08:34] <Jucato> oh
[08:34] <imbrandon> err kde2
[08:36] <Jucato> ah, the KDE Logo Crystal SVG... but not the KDE Logo itself... :)
[08:37] <imbrandon> heh
[08:37] <imbrandon> hold on i'll make another of an app running 
[08:37] <Jucato> heh
[08:37] <imbrandon> *looks for seomthing to run*
[08:37] <Jucato> you really want to make me drool irl, don't you....
[08:37] <Jucato> just a bit more and I probably will :)
[08:42] <imbrandon> Jucato,  http://federation.imbrandon.com/krita.png 
[08:42] <imbrandon> theres krita running ;)
[08:42] <imbrandon> native kde4/osx
[08:42] <Jucato> rawr!
[08:42] <Jucato> icons aren't Oxygen yet, right?
[08:43] <Jucato> so nice :)
[08:43] <imbrandon> not yet , will be in a few days
[08:43] <imbrandon> check it out and run the sh script
[08:43] <imbrandon> heh
[08:44] <Jucato> there's a .sh script? 
[08:44] <Jucato> nice
[08:44] <imbrandon> yea , do you know how to install an icon set ?
[08:44] <Jucato> only the "regular" way
[08:44] <imbrandon> ... as in goto the control pannel and pint it to the tar.gz
[08:44] <imbrandon> point*
[08:44] <imbrandon> right ?
[08:45] <Jucato> yep
[08:45] <imbrandon> not unzip the tar etc etc etc
[08:45] <Jucato> ah yes. I had to repeat that over and over again to some guys in the forums...
[08:45] <imbrandon> here is a snapshot a made a few days ago of oxgyen
[08:45] <imbrandon> dont give the url out becouse i dont want my server hammered
[08:45] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/oxygen_2006-08-18-01-03.tar.gz
[08:45] <imbrandon> save ya some trubbly
[08:45] <Jucato> thanks!
[08:46] <Jucato> I don't even give your repos out :)
[08:46] <imbrandon> repos i dont mind
[08:46] <imbrandon> anything on federation.* i dont realy want the public to have though
[08:46] <imbrandon> as thats my cable modem 
[08:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:46] <Jucato> heh
[08:47] <Jucato> so whenever there's a new snapshot released, I'd have to get it from SVN and build it again?
[08:47] <imbrandon> there isnt a releases
[08:47] <imbrandon> that was the day i checked it out and made the atr
[08:47] <imbrandon> tar*
[08:47] <Jucato> ah
[08:47] <imbrandon> for myself
[08:49] <Jucato> yay almost done!
[08:50] <Jucato> done :)
[08:50] <Jucato> whoa!
[08:51] <Jucato> so nice! :)
[08:51] <Jucato> thank you thank you thank you!! :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> brb afk
[09:02] <Jucato> :)
[09:05] <seaLne> does anyone else get an empty popup when mousing over guidance pm applet?
[09:39] <abattoir> seaLne: works fine for me...
[09:39] <abattoir> if its the systray icon, that you mean
[09:39] <Jucato> works ok for me too, but then again, I'm on a desktop PC... "No battery found" pops up...
[09:42] <seaLne> yeah i'm on a desktop
[09:51] <Lure> seaLne: new version will not start on desktops
[09:52] <Jucato> Lure: is this new version out already? or still coming?
[09:52] <Lure> Jucato: just in svn
[09:53] <Lure> Jucato: but this is pretty much the only difference to the one currently in edgy
[09:53] <Jucato_> ah
[09:53] <Jucato> that's nice. bye bye little green battery...
[11:07] <Tonio_> yop
[11:18] <danimo> heya Tonio_
[11:18] <danimo> Tonio_: how are you?
[11:32] <_-InFeRnO-_> ?
[11:45] <Tonio_> hey danimo ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> well I'm pretty fine :)
[11:46] <danimo> Tonio_: btw: we talked about how you thought it was hard to get into kde development. we are currently reworking dev.kde.org. the new page will be an open wiki
[11:54] <Tonio_> danimo: euh... I only rarely talked about dev.kde.org since I'm not a coder myselft....
[11:55] <Tonio_> I am generally talking about bugs.kde.org, which I find very confusing, yes :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> isn't that lure or anyone else that was talking about this instead of me ?
[11:58] <danimo> Tonio_: bugs.k.o is going to be changed, too
[11:58] <danimo> Tonio_: no I talked with you I think. shortly before linuxtag
[11:59] <Tonio_> that's possible yes :) I've gotten crazy while searching for docs concerning the different options provided by, for example, dedesktop files :=
[11:59] <Tonio_> desktop, sorry
[12:00] <Tonio_> the information exists, but searching for it is....... a mess :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> a wiki would be by far more appropriate in my view
[12:00] <Tonio_> and that sounds very nice reading the bts is gonna change :)
[12:00] <danimo> Tonio_: it will still be bugzilla though
[12:01] <danimo> Tonio_: but we will probably improve things
[12:01] <danimo> Tonio_: if you have suggestions, they're welcome
[12:01] <Tonio_> danimo: yes but bugzilla offers lots of things that are disabled in the kde one
[12:01] <Tonio_> danimo: I'll think about it and maybe give a little feedback, yes ;)
[12:02] <danimo> Tonio_: what for instance?
[12:02] <danimo> ok :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> danimo: a simple thing, giving the possibility ot order bug ids by date
[12:03] <Tonio_> without going to the advanced search
[12:03] <Tonio_> that the kind of missing functions that make me crazy
[12:04] <danimo> true
[12:06] <Tonio_> danimo: when you search for a bug, you generally find kde2 stuff, which are globally useless today*
[12:08] <Tonio_> the simple search should for example give the possibility to search for each major version, like kde v 2/3/4
[12:08] <danimo> agreed
[01:09] <Tonio_> how about bug 55436
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55436 in kdebase "Missing View-Mode toolbar button" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55436
[01:10] <Tonio_> I agree this is important
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have found a way to configure this to only appear while browsing files, but not the web
[01:10] <Tonio_> would you agree testing this setting ?
[01:10] <Tonio_> that can be easilly removed is people don't appreciate
[01:11] <Tonio_> toonights meeting can be a good way for people to give their feedback
[01:11] <Jucato> I think I've encountered a few posts in the forums asking for that button...
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd agree to test it but I don't see a way to have it that doesn't mean the button gets in the way
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it is an action, list that is merged
[01:13] <Tonio_> the point is is it possible to disable the "khtml in use" actions and keep the other ones
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: works here :)
[01:14] <Tonio_> so the button appear beofre the url toolbar are dissappear while khtml is used
[01:14] <Tonio_> s/are/and
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture2.png
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the result, look fine to me
[01:17] <Tonio_> anyone giving his opinion ? danimo maybe ?
[01:17] <Tonio_> Jucato:  ?
[01:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't like it, they take up too much space
[01:18] <Jucato> hm... would it be better if the view-mode buttons were placed after the location bar instead? before or after the filter search?
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I can't put them on another toolbar since the toolbars to display are not depending the profiles in use....
[01:19] <Tonio_> so they'll appear whatever is the content browsed...
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about going back to a 2 bars mode view with url location on the second one ?
[01:20] <Riddell> defeats the point of our compact view
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is lots of people are complaning browsing files is quite complicated since lots of things are disabled
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to find a compromise
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: were would you place those buttons ?
[01:21] <Tonio_> I can search for a way to do what you want
[01:21] <Tonio_> I agree that is pretty large in a 1024 configuration
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can had that to our context toolbar, but that means browsing files will have 2 toolbars loaded, sounds better for you ?
[01:23] <Tonio_> s/had/add.... my english is horrible today, sorry
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about Jucato's idea ?
[01:28] <Tonio_> near the dirfilter makes sense
[01:29] <Riddell> it's probably an improvement but it still takes up too much space
[01:29] <Riddell> three buttons for one function is daft anyway
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree on that point, but there is no ther way to do....
[01:30] <Tonio_> I would prefer one button like on windows or osx
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me search if there is a way to get the content of "view" -> "display type" in a button
[01:33] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure there isn't without patching the code
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been able to do it, there only miss an icon :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> I may found a way to get that done
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture3.png
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm sure you will like it :)
[01:39] <Tonio_> just an icon and that will be okay
[01:40] <Riddell> that is an improvement
[01:40] <Riddell> still needs a patch in the code to give that menu an icon
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I have to patch to get it loaded only when browsing files
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can patch this I think
[01:40] <beligum> hi all
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go :)
[01:41] <Riddell> hi beligum 
[01:41] <beligum> that was a great night :)
[01:42] <beligum> ScreenKast packages are ready
[01:43] <beligum> Would someone be interested in a little review?
[01:43] <beligum> http://instrudeo.bpower2.com/packages/ubuntu-dapper/
[01:47] <Riddell> beligum: in a bit
[01:47] <beligum> ok
[01:53] <beligum> Before packaging, I adapted the build system, so the header files aren't included in the package, is that bad?
[02:08] <Riddell> beligum: that's fine
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum doesn't look easy to patch :(
[02:12] <kwwii> moin
[02:12] <Jucato> hi kwwii! :)
[02:13] <jdong> how do I nuke guidance-power-manager from startup?
[02:13] <jdong> no offense to anyone who's put work into it, but I still like my kpowersave :)
[02:13] <Jucato> jdong: remove it from /usr/share/autostart ?
[02:13] <jdong> that sounds like a plan
[02:13] <jdong> done
[02:13] <jdong> muahaha
[02:14] <Jucato> lol
[02:14] <jdong> and I survived the kernel upgrade intact :)
[02:14] <Jucato> jdong: err... I forgot that you could also right-click it and Quit, and choose Do No Start... :)
[02:15] <jdong> no, it doesn't ask
[02:15] <jdong> how rude
[02:15] <jdong> only kpowersave asks that :)
[02:15] <jdong> as does klaptopdaemon
[02:15] <jdong> but guidance has the canonical take-over-the-world spirit
[02:15] <jdong> so it doesn't ask
[02:15] <Jucato> you might have selected "do not ask again" once... so there :)
[02:15] <Jucato> oh actually...
[02:16] <Jucato> it doesn't ask anymore lol
[02:16] <Jucato> >.<
[02:19] <jdong> does the kickoff menu thingie work in ubuntu?
[02:19] <jdong> that'd be sweet to have in edgy :)
[02:20] <beligum> ok, I did a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot , is that's all I need to upload to REVU ?
[02:21] <kwwii> Jucato: howdy
[02:23] <kwwii> jdong: kickoff menu?
[02:23] <beligum> hmmm, who was the owner of seerofsouls again?
[02:23] <Jucato> Hawkwind
[02:24] <beligum> ah,k 
[02:29] <jdong> kwwii: the new suse kde menu thingie
[02:29] <Jucato> jdong: better ask imbrandon. I think he's building it...
[02:29] <kwwii> jdong: ahhaaa! gotcha
[02:29] <jdong> http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html
[02:29] <jdong> that thing
[02:30] <kwwii> jdong: it is a ximian thingy though...not really a kde thingy
[02:30] <Jucato> I heard that if all goes well, it will be an official KDE thingy?
[02:30] <kwwii> eventually, perhaps
[02:31] <kwwii> but kde copying gnome copying windows is perhaps not the best idea
[02:32] <Jucato> isn't SUSE going to have that other GNOME menu thingy? different from kickoff?
[02:32] <MidMark> Riddell: yesterday I have tried kde-guidance svn snapshot that you provide, but with Dapper has big problem, is it normal?
[02:33] <kwwii> Jucato: I thought that they were about the same3
[02:34] <Jucato> kwwii: nah. KDE 's still sticking to the "Start menu" type. Anyway, I might have thought wrong about their GNOME menu...
[02:34] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:34] <Jucato> actually, some are saying that kickoff looks more like Vista's
[02:35] <beligum> or the other way around...
[02:35] <Jucato> heh
[02:37] <beligum> hmm, something totally different: strange that, nowadays, I care so less about source-code, while five years back, it was like gold to me
[02:37] <beligum> how FOSS will change your world
[02:45] <Hobbsee> evening all
[02:45] <Jucato> Hobbsee! :)
[02:45] <Jucato> lol
[02:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, I was looking through the bug report you and imbrandon were discussing earlier
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah yes.  
[02:46] <Jucato> I noticed that his installed packages were pre-Dapper?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> they are?
[02:48] <Jucato> libarts1-dev (>= 1.5-rc1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:48] <Hobbsee> !info libarts1-dev dapper
[02:48] <ubotu> libarts1-dev: development files for the aRts sound system core components. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1172 kB, installed size 6500 kB
[02:48] <Hobbsee> well, it still satisfies it
[02:48] <Hobbsee> and the packages dont get autoupdated (usually) to require the latest versions
[02:49] <raphink> hi
[02:49] <Jucato> ah 
[02:50] <Jucato> I was thinking he might be installing kdelibs4-dev which would depend on some packages in Dapper, while the rest of his system isn't on Dapper?
[02:50] <Jucato> oh well... my bad
[02:50] <Hobbsee> possible
[02:50] <Hawkwind> beligum: You here ?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> or he's used some packages from somewhere else, etc
[02:50] <beligum> jip
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: he's in -motu too
[02:50] <Jucato> heh
[02:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech should be helping beligum :)
[02:51] <Hawkwind> beligum: Just a little FYI on your screenkast packages....when built, they don't have the requirement of libstudeo so the user can actually install screenkast and not the needed dep
[02:51] <beligum> why's that ?
[02:51] <Jucato> he's your #1 advocate :)
[02:51] <beligum> lol
[02:52] <beligum> Hawkwind, hmmm, thx
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: er, what?  you mean it needs a dependancy of libstudeo that it doesnt?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:54] <Jucato> err.. delete the "on"...
[02:54] <beligum> Hawkwind, you're right
[02:54] <Hobbsee> it's been a long day
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is possible to patch this by only changing a few desktop files :)
[02:54] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: even longer if you're not goinng to sleep :)
[02:54] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Hah.  Time to get the brain functioning
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh i will sleep
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: are you still looking for a list of "must fix" bugs for edgy?
[02:54] <Jucato> heh you're lucky :)
[02:55] <Hawkwind> beligum: I added the packages to my repo yesterday to test it and discovered that
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got any more changes to make to kdenetwork at all?
[02:55] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: You see what I did with http://SeerOfSouls.com/ last night :)
[02:55] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I changed it to purple to match Edgy's KDE
[02:55] <Hawkwind> Hah
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes I'll prepare this for toonight's meeting
[02:56] <beligum> Hawkwind,  is updating debian/control the way to fix that?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: want me to add it while i've got the lock?
[02:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why?
[02:56] <Hawkwind> beligum: I do believe so
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have another bug to fix, as i was an idiot.
[02:57] <Riddell> oh yes, there's overlapping files
[02:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure
[03:00] <beligum> let's hope this get's done by tonight, leaving for France in a few hours
[03:00] <Jucato> whoa
[03:02] <beligum> Hawkwind, when packaging ScreenKast, I get this at the end: 'unable to find dependency information for shared library libinstrudeo'
[03:02] <beligum> dep is included in control file though, but is this bad?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !info libinstrudeo
[03:02] <ubotu> Package libinstrudeo does not exist in any distro I know
[03:02] <beligum> not yet... ;-)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> beligum: does it actually exist in ubuntu?
[03:03] <beligum> Hobbsee, no, it's the backend-engine of ScreenKast
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:05] <beligum> ok, I updated the packages, should be allright now, thx for the tip
[03:06] <beligum> I'll dput them now
[03:06] <Hawkwind> beligum: So you've built 1.3 ?
[03:08] <beligum> no, 0.1.3
[03:08] <beligum> :)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we've got linux-headers-generic - surely we want to make that the dep of kubuntu-desktop now?
[03:10] <beligum> How do I sign the packages?
[03:11] <Hawkwind> Are you using debuild, if so, debuild -s -SA  IRC
[03:11] <Hawkwind> s/IRC/IIRC
[03:12] <beligum> dpkg-buildpackage actually
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we've got linux-headers-686 as a dep now.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, it looks like they're finally distributing kopete 0.12.2 with kde 3.5.5.  the rotters.  why couldnt they have done that 1+ releases ago?
[03:16] <kwwii> here is the logo on a black bg in 256 colors for the usplash...ideas?
[03:16] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea_256C.png
[03:17] <kwwii> I might get rid of the dark blue glow around it
[03:17] <kwwii> oh, and we could use a throbber, but the progress br has to be used as well, so I see no point in using a throbber
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice.  what happened to using the one on edgy artwork page?
[03:18] <Jucato> is that for USplash?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:19] <Jucato> nice
[03:20] <kwwii> Hobbsee: you mean the white glowing one?
[03:20] <kwwii> a bit too many colors, I think
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kwwii: aww...pity.  it's very pretty
[03:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I just follow ubuntu in that regard
[03:21] <Riddell> kwwii: nice usplash
[03:21] <raphink> hi Riddell
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, which means?
[03:21] <raphink> Riddell: may I ask what you think of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/59334 ?
[03:21] <Ubug2> Malone bug 59334 in kubuntu-default-settings "Wrong language and country in kdeglobals" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:22] <jjesse> wow 111 packages are being updated today :)
[03:22] <raphink> kwwii: do we have to have a black bg?
[03:23] <Riddell> raphink: I don't understand why having our own kdegloabs should make a difference
[03:23] <kwwii> raphink: yes, because it will often be shown unscaled on a lack bg
[03:23] <raphink> ok
[03:23] <kwwii> but at least this time it will have different pics for different resolutions
[03:23] <raphink> Riddell: we do have our own kdeglobals already
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, a fair few.  obviously the results of the straight dope kernel testing thread.
[03:24] <raphink> Riddell: and it seems to be the source of this bug
[03:24] <raphink> Riddell: I guess KDE might assume thatonce the kdeglobals are set, the country and lang in it are aswell
[03:25] <raphink> Riddell: the funny thing is that this doesn't prevent from having KDE installed for the right country and language
[03:25] <Riddell> that makes no sense to me
[03:25] <kwwii>  /me takes a shower, then off to the travel agent...bbl
[03:25] <raphink> how do you mean?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: there are reports of kde not installing the lang packs, at least for dapper.  no idea if that's still the case or what
[03:26] <raphink> Hobbsee: this is nothing to do with that bug
[03:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: right, i didnt check it
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sorry
[03:27] <raphink> Hobbsee: this bug doesn't prevent from having the right lang or country set in KDE
[03:27] <Hobbsee> true
[03:27] <raphink> it only falses the settings in systemsettings/kcontrol
[03:27] <Hobbsee> raphink: was intented to be "on a related note, this occurs"
[03:27] <Hobbsee> oh fun
[03:27] <raphink> but doesn't not break anything
[03:27] <raphink> and I've seen it on al the machines I've checked installed with Kubuntu
[03:28] <raphink> although it goes unoticed on English American systems obviously ;)
[03:40] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[03:41] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:41] <Hobbsee> well that's weird
[03:44] <Jucato> what's weird? (other than me)
[03:45] <jdong_> that I keep asking for FF 2.0b2 packages and they're still not showing up in my dist-upgrade? :D
[03:45] <Hobbsee> font sizes on the virtual terminals are stacks bigger now
[03:45] <Hobbsee> jdong_: did the UVF get approved for taht?  or even filed?
[03:45] <jdong_> Hobbsee: iwj wants to hold off until after feature freeze
[03:45] <jdong_> because he has "other things" he wants to get in first
[03:45] <jdong_> hmph
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jdong_: fair enough
[03:50] <Riddell> woo, coming at you from Konsole of KDE 4!
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay!  does it break?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and can we get kde 4 in edgy then?  
[03:52] <jdong_> lol
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: konsole works, konqueror breaks
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, I'll upload it to edgy soon
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, fair enough
[03:53] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:54] <jdong_> whoa, is edgy gonna ship with kde4?
[03:54] <abattoir> jdong_: :P
[03:54] <Jucato> jdong_: of course not eheheh
[03:54] <jdong_> :)
[03:54] <Riddell> jdong_: it'll be in universe
[03:55] <abattoir> Riddell: is it possible for edgy to 'commemorate' 10 yrs. of KDE in some way?
[03:55] <jdong_> I see
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it what?  really?
[03:55] <Jucato> whoa? KDE 4 in universe?!?!
[03:55] <Jucato> this is too good... :)
[03:55] <Riddell> Jucato: it's not that exciting, all the same programmes :)
[03:56] <jdong_> but.... what about all the pretty pictures and mockups novell has been teasing us with?
[03:56] <Jucato> aah... heh
[03:56] <Jucato> that's just SUSE...
[03:56] <Jucato> kickoff isn't even sure to be KDE new menu...
[03:56] <Riddell> jdong_: kickoff is a KDE 3 applet
[03:56] <Hobbsee> jdong_: pictures and mockups.  you answered your own question :P
[03:56] <Jucato> jdong_: on a related note, openSUSE 10.2 alpha 4 w/ kickoff is out :)
[03:57] <jdong_> Jucato: I'm not gonna sit here and torrent 5 cd's :)
[03:57] <Jucato> lol
[03:57] <jdong_> just to get some beta novell build with crack packaged python
[04:12] <mars> kickoff will probably have his own plasma applet as kbfx. Perhaps even before the release of kde4!
[04:27] <Jucato> so this is the start of the generic kernel?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:28] <Jucato> ooh... interesting...
[04:32] <Jucato> ok... that's 2 consecutive times that people ask for help on how to install build-essential stuff because they need to compile things in order to get internet up... 
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they were using ndiswrapper?
[04:35] <Jucato> probably...
[04:35] <Jucato> a catch-22 situation...
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ndiswrapper is on the cd.
[04:35] <abattoir> no not necessarily, the first person wanted to compile a driver for his dialup modem
[04:36] <Hawkwind> They need build-essential to compile drivers for their modems
[04:36] <Hawkwind> Without build-essential, they are stuck in a catch-22
[04:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: right, yeah.
[04:37] <Jucato> whatever happened to that heated debate about including build-essentials by default?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> i wasnt on ubuntu-devel then
[04:38] <Jucato> :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> !info linux-kernel-headers edgy
[04:38] <ubotu> linux-kernel-headers: Linux Kernel Headers for development. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17-5.16 (edgy), package size 1671 kB, installed size 5108 kB
[04:38] <jdong> yeah, isn't the kernel headers package installed by default in kubuntu?
[04:39] <Jucato> in Dapper, I think so
[04:39] <jdong> not in dapper
[04:39] <jdong> edgy
[04:39] <Jucato> ah ok.
[04:39] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:39] <jdong> linux-headers-686,
[04:39] <jdong> yes, it's a dependency of kubuntu-desktop
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !info linux-headers-generic edgy
[04:39] <ubotu> linux-headers-generic: Generic Linux kernel headers. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17.5 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !info linux-headers-2.6.17-7-generic edgy
[04:39] <ubotu> linux-headers-2.6.17-7-generic: Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17-7.20 (edgy), package size 888 kB, installed size 23496 kB
[04:39] <jdong> now, what sense is it to have kernel headers without a compiler??
[04:39] <Hobbsee> heh, right
[04:39] <Hobbsee> jdong: i dont know, ask Riddell 
[04:39] <Jucato> :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> they're not actually terribly big on the cd.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !info build-essentials edgy
[04:40] <ubotu> Package build-essentials does not exist in edgy
[04:40] <jdong> yeah, that's a good excuse :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !info build-essential edgy
[04:40] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[04:40] <jdong> why not include mono, too? :)
[04:40] <Jucato> I think there was some discussion about it buing a security risk..
[04:40] <Jucato> because we don't have tomboy installed by default?
[04:40] <Jucato> darn!
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's a gnome program.
[04:41] <jdong> I hate you guys :)
[04:41] <Jucato> I was being sarcastic..
[04:41] <Jucato> and that was meant for jdong :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> jdong: :P
[04:42] <Hobbsee> * Jucato has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " i'll give you some retaliation...").
[04:42] <Jucato> lol
[04:42] <jdong> lol
[04:44] <Hobbsee> does anyone remember why we committed that stupid https:/ fix for konq?
[04:44] <abattoir> the problem with the bank sites ?
[04:44] <abattoir> pre-dapper?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> pre edgy, certainly
[04:46] <Hobbsee> not sure if it was pre dapper, or in dapper develpment
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and launchpad isnt behaving.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> it's not returning me what i want
[04:51] <Jucato> tsk tsk...baaad LP
[04:51] <Hobbsee> and i'm not seeing it in the changelog either
[04:53] <Hobbsee> !info kdebase
[04:53] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 38 kB, installed size 76 kB
[04:53] <Hobbsee> !info kdebase edgy
[04:53] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu13 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 88 kB
[04:54] <Hobbsee> package size is nto 44k.  it's 30.1mb.  grumble
[04:54] <bddebian> Hello
[04:54] <gnomefreak> shouldnt it be a konq. problem more so than kdebase?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apt-cache show konqueror | grep Source
[04:55] <Hobbsee> or apt-cache showsrc konqueror, i guess
[04:55] <gnomefreak> same as konsole than
[04:56] <gnomefreak> one of these days im gonna figure out where to get a tar for konsole but not happening til after i fix these kernel source/nvidia issues
[04:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apt-get source konsole?
[04:57] <gnomefreak> that would make sense :(
[04:57] <Jucato> btw, is the real/true transparency for gnome-terminal in GNOME 2.16 really true? (saw a screenshot, but didn't know if it was official)
[04:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that'll bring the source package which is kdebase :)
[04:57] <jdong> ooh, Hobbsee has joined the can't-turn-off-computer-with-upstart club :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: if it is that means pure software, which is evil
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: exactly :P
[04:57] <Jucato> heh
[04:57] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i havent looked yet but im thinking not so much
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah.  figured i'd confirm that
[04:58] <jdong> :)
[04:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: unless they do it dynamically depending X configuration, but that's weird job to do
[04:58] <Jucato> it was a user submitted screenshot on GNOME.org, so I was a bit dubious...
[04:58] <Jucato> jdong: can I join that club, too :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[04:58] <gnomefreak> use compiz/zgl its easier
[04:58] <gnomefreak> xgl
[04:58] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i cant find evidence of the offending bit
[04:58] <gnomefreak> crappier but easier
[04:58] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: xgl is only experimental and will remain
[04:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: it is not done for everyday usage in my view
[04:59] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i know :) i hate xgl but shhh
[04:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: consider aiglx
[04:59] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont think your going to i think it is a him issue.
[04:59] <Tonio_> ah ok ;)
[04:59] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: cant for a while
[04:59] <jdong> Tonio_, tell that to my fglrx/nvidia :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i do think they changed something.  i just cant seem to find anything else
[05:00] <gnomefreak> jdong: nvidia support for aiglx will be next month or month after
[05:00] <Hobbsee> because a lot of people complained that they couldnt access their bank sites in konq anymore, due to the encryption
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you remember any of that?
[05:00] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: its kind of hard to check if you dont have an account at that bank site
[05:01] <jdong> hey, is this apt-get autoremove thing safe? :P
[05:01] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, remind me to switch to comm bank...
[05:01] <Hobbsee> i knowthey have this problem
[05:01] <Hobbsee> well, had.  i dotn know about having it now
[05:03] <gnomefreak> brb gonna smoke and bang my head against the wall til brain starts working again
[05:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:03] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i wonder which will kill you quicker.
[05:04] <jdong> usually the brain starts working is a bad thing
[05:04] <Jucato> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> which will kill him quicker: the smoke, the wall, or the braing starting to work again?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i was thinking between the smoke and the wall, but yeah
[05:05] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't remember that kind of complain, sorry....
[05:06] <gnomefreak> the brain working would kill me faster
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.
[05:07] <Jucato> heh
[05:07] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: did you update edgy kernel?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yep
[05:08] <gnomefreak> the kernel source was updated too wasnt it?
[05:08] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: hard to patch what you cant find
[05:08] <gnomefreak> if you mean the bank thing
[05:09] <gnomefreak> yes it was updated darn it
[05:12] <gnomefreak> jdong: i just saw that ill try it and let you knwo if its safe
[05:12] <jdong> lol
[05:12] <jdong> :)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> only worried about liboobs i thought that was needed
[05:14] <gnomefreak> jdong: seems safe it asks you before removing things
[05:14] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, but it asks to remove quite a deal
[05:14] <gnomefreak> it does
[05:14] <jdong> I haven't investigated if those are useful or not :)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt recommend it to a new users i would still be careful with it though
[05:15] <gnomefreak> ill be back im gonna try this from beginning again :(
[05:17] <Jucato> is it ok to post my own screenshots of unmodified Knot 2?
[05:18] <jdong> Jucato: never! it's a trade secret
[05:18] <Jucato> lol
[05:18] <Jucato> ok :)
[05:18] <mornfall> what's knot
[05:18] <Riddell> the testing CDs
[05:18] <mornfall> ah
[05:18] <mornfall> right
[05:18] <mornfall> i'm completely out of loop
[05:18] <jdong> mornfall: knot really in the loop? ;)
[05:18] <Jucato> oh no.. knot that again...
[05:19] <jdong> lol
[05:19] <Jucato> ooh...
[05:19] <Jucato> uh oh...
[05:20] <mornfall> haha
[05:20] <mornfall> that's good :)
[05:20] <not_jdong> he's not here..... :)
[05:20] <Jucato> lol
[05:21] <knot_jdong> perfect
[05:25] <jdong> ooh, gnome 2.16 memory usage seems to be lower than 2.14
[05:26] <Jucato> heh...
[05:28] <Jucato> :)
[05:29] <jdong> there
[05:29] <jdong> grr, that's right... gtk-qt settings aren't in KSS anymore
[05:29] <jdong> hint hint grumble hint hint
[05:29] <Riddell> ** testers needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.1/ ./
[05:30] <jdong> will this break my system? :D
[05:30] <Jucato> ooh...
[05:30] <Jucato> will it break edgy? :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> likely
[05:30] <Riddell> no
[05:30] <Jucato> 2 conflicting answers... :)
[05:30] <jdong> does vmware-player work anymore? :D
[05:30] <Lure> Riddell: I might be late (worst case not present) for meeting today - feel free to discuss my topics even if I am not there ;-)
[05:30] <Riddell> it'll remove the normal qt4, that's about all
[05:31] <Riddell> Lure: ok
[05:31] <gnomefreak> is anyone else missing the tty's in edgy
[05:31] <jdong> gnomefreak: usplash user?
[05:31] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I am
[05:31] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:31] <jdong> mjg59 said that he fixed that in the latest usplash upload
[05:32] <Jucato> which I just finished downloading. yay me! :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> me neither since i dont have them
[05:32] <gnomefreak> they  worked til just now
[05:34] <jdong> gnomefreak: I don't think it's a good time to interrupt #ubuntu-devel :)
[05:34] <jdong> they seem to be in a flamewar
[05:34] <Jucato> O_O
[05:34] <gnomefreak> i see 
[05:34] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You installing the KDE 3.8 in edgy ?
[05:35] <Jucato> 3.8?
[05:35] <Jucato> aah KDE 4.. maybe :)
[05:35] <gnomefreak> 3.8?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> Jucato: nope
[05:35] <Jucato> KDE4-3.80.1
[05:35] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: It's actually 3.8.1 at the moment is the name of it
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Though it's KDE4, I was going by number scheme
[05:35] <gnomefreak> when did that come out?
 ** testers needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.1/ ./
[05:36] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Couple of minutes ago
[05:36] <Jucato> I'll probably try to install it, since it's Edgy :)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ty
[05:37] <gnomefreak> gonna play with it
[05:37] <Jucato> ooh generic kernels... :)
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Riddell: I assume it's safe to update to that KDE while in KDE ?
[05:38] <Jucato> restarting, to test the new kernels and if the tty problem was fixed :)
[05:38] <Riddell> Hawkwind: yes
[05:41] <gnomefreak> jucato isnt fixed its trashed :(
[05:41] <Jucato> hmm...
[05:42] <Jucato> klipper didn't start...
[05:42] <Jucato> and still no tty
[05:43] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Hmm, I do a apt-get dist-upgrade and no new KDE packages come up
[05:44] <Jucato> Hawkwind: read the instructions..
[05:44] <jdong|laptop> Hawkwind: ahem, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[05:44] <Jucato> :)
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Hah I just clicked that after I typed my sentence
[05:44] <Jucato> :P
[05:45] <Jucato> hm...  let me try again if klipper will load...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:46] <Jucato> klipper really doesn't load. and the KDE icon bounces and bounces and bounces...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> no, i'ts not almost 5am.   it's only almost 2am.
[05:46] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[05:46] <Jucato> lol
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you going to give me a wakeup call for the meeting or something?
[05:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[05:47] <toma> Tonio_: hi
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[05:47] <Hobbsee> *turns phone back on*
[05:47] <Jucato> heh
[05:47] <Jucato> reeeeestarting again :)
[05:48] <Jucato> Riddell: what apps are confirmed to work on the KDE4 preview?
[05:48] <Riddell> naw, I've already watched the news today, it's boring Tony didn't resign
[05:48] <Riddell> Jucato: konsole
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hehe, right
[05:48] <Riddell> Jucato: kpersonaliser
[05:48] <Jucato> ooh kpersonalizer. don't we just love that Hobbsee? :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, great piece of software
[05:48] <Hobbsee> *does actually use it occasionally*
[05:49] <Jucato> :)
[05:49] <gnomefreak> theres no repo yet for kde 3.8?
[05:49] <Jucato> Riddell just gave one?
[05:49] <Riddell> Jucato: have you installed kde 4?
[05:50] <Jucato> probably after the meeting :)
[05:50] <Jucato> oh what the heck, I can always log into Dapper :)
[05:50] <gnomefreak> :(
[05:50] <gnomefreak> i added the repo but its not updating
[05:51] <gnomefreak> kde isnt updating
[05:51] <Jucato> gnomefreak: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[05:51] <gnomefreak> reading instructions now
[05:51] <Jucato> :)
[05:51] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:52] <Jucato> this will help me stay up until the meeting lol
[05:53] <gnomefreak> this autoremove is confusing
[05:53] <Jucato> oh yay the unmounting bug has been fixed! :)
[05:55] <mars> yop
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You're going to stay up another 5 hours ?
[05:55] <mars> Tonio_: t'as deux minutes ?
[05:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: probably... too late to sleep now...
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Riddell: My KDE4 is still installing at the moment.  Nearly done
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah.  I'm about to take a nap here in a bit since naptime is usually in about 4 hours
[05:56] <gnomefreak> do i want to keep all those packages like kmplayer and things like that? 
[05:57] <gnomefreak> looks like what came with kubuntu-desktop its saying is no longer needed but will i lose them?
[05:58] <gnomefreak> 5 hours? what are you installing?
[05:58] <Jucato> gnomefreak: no. 5 hours before the meeting...
[05:58] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[06:00] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, I ran the commands on the page and then tried starting konsole and it says Segmentation fault
[06:02] <Tonio_> mars: je t'ecoute
[06:02] <Riddell> Hawkwind: cool
[06:02] <Jucato> heh
[06:02] <mars> Tonio_: je t'ai dis en PV
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you're wanting to fix bugs, you could fix https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/49779 :P
[06:02] <Ubug2> Malone bug 49779 in Ubuntu "Keyboard locks up" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Though everything still says KDE 3.5.4
[06:03] <Jucato> Hawkwind: there's no need to log out/in again?
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I did but I still get KDE 3.5.4 no matter what I do
[06:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I saw that using dapper, but never using edgy
[06:03] <Jucato> aah
[06:04] <gnomefreak> might have to
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: point.  i havent seen it recently either
[06:04] <Jucato> Hawkwind: maybe it's under a new Session type?
[06:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I assume this is resolved since kde 3.5.3
[06:04] <Jucato> err...
[06:04] <gnomefreak> were the docs updated?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: could well be.  it happens randomly, so...
[06:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but what to do ? should be resolved on dapper since it is lts.......
[06:05] <Hobbsee> having my hand hurting isnt good when i have to go to work later....
[06:05] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Nope doesn't seem so
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: leave it open for the moment, i guess...
[06:05] <Hawkwind> Jucato: So I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong
[06:05] <Tonio_> unless we backportkde 3.5.3 officially, I don't see what we can do
[06:05] <Jucato> maybe the export commands need to be run first before installing kde4base?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm not sure it's a kde 3.5.2 bug.  i dont know what on earth causes it.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: feel free to reject, and i'll reopen if it's a problem again
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I wouldn't think so, no
[06:06] <Hobbsee> it's useless where it currently is, of course
[06:06] <Hobbsee> night all!
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Sleep well, see you at the meeting
[06:06] <Jucato> see yah later! :)
[06:06] <Jucato> Hawkwind: so "apt-get install kde4base" then "export..." commands, then "apt-get upgrade"?
[06:12] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: give me a few minutes to see what i come up with
[06:13] <gnomefreak> i lied make it an hour or 2
[06:13] <Jucato> lol
[06:13] <Jucato> gnomefreak: but the sequence of commands I mentioned is correct?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Install everything as the site says, then the commands are done last
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Jucato: im not sure about upgrade but it cant hurt but seems correct
[06:14] <Jucato> :)
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: KDE will start normally.  It's once you run those commands from a terminal that running commands from that terminal afterwards don't work
[06:14] <gnomefreak> you grab kde4base than the 3 export commands
[06:14] <Jucato> ok
[06:15] <Hawkwind> You type konsole or konqueror from that terminal you did the export commands.  Everything here seg faults :)
[06:15] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: restarting the apps doesnt fix that?
[06:15] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I have nothing open but konsole
[06:15] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I run the export commands, then type konsole or konqueror and nothing starts
[06:16] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: do they open frommenu?
[06:16] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Yes, but that's KDE3 stuff if you do it that way
[06:16] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: oh so it is a mix
[06:17] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: That is correct
[06:17] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: that is why
[06:17] <Jucato> ah I get it...
[06:17] <Jucato> :)
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Those export commands only work for apps run from that terminal.  Once you close it, then you have to redo the commands
[06:17] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: command konsole isnt telling it what console to open
[06:18] <Jucato> someone was asking earlier about g-p-m showing a blank popup when moused over...
[06:19] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: So would there be another way of trying to start the apps ?
[06:19] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I'll probably take a nap after KDE 4 finishes downloading...
[06:20] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: not sure yet you can try konsole with version number
[06:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: How ?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: removing konsole from 3.5 might work also but im not sure if that is the issue yet
[06:21] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No I don't think that's necessary
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Reading the site you install the stuff as stated, run the export commands, then type in 'konsole' or other app names to start the KDE4 versions
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Atleast that's how I understand it
[06:21] <gnomefreak> i would ping riddell about it. but i would think version numbers are causing the seg fault (not looking at backtrace)
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Can you give us some insight on this by chance ?  Am I doing this correctly ?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> it doesnt say how to run them though
[06:22] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Right, which is why I just assumed to type them into the terminal
[06:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Because those export commands aren't permanent by any means and are only effective from within that terminal you typed them in
[06:23] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: running the export commands from what version of konsole?
[06:23] <Jucato> the only version of Konsole that you can run...
[06:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: You run from within KDE 3.5.4
[06:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I just opened a new tab in konsole and typed 'konsole' and it starts, but the 3.5.4 version of course
[06:23] <Hawkwind> So I'm obviously doing this correctly
[06:24] <gnomefreak> if you were shouldnt the konsole you just opened be 3.8
[06:24] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: It should, but as Riddell stated, things are quite broken
[06:24] <gnomefreak> your gonna runa  big loop
[06:25] <Riddell> Hawkwind: insight into what?
[06:25] <gnomefreak> if your in konsole 3.5 and you run command konsole or open a tab its gonna stay 3.5 you would have to start a new version
[06:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: The export commands only take presidence within the terminal you type them in.  So typing 'konsole' would try to start the KDE4 version.  If you open a new tab within the already started konsole, then that one allows you to start anything 3.5.4 related
[06:25] <gnomefreak> mind you im still downloading it
[06:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No, that's not correct
[06:25] <Jucato> psst
[06:26] <Jucato> Hawkwind: Riddell's asking you :)
[06:26] <gnomefreak> Riddell: hawks having issues running apps
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Riddell: I ran the export commands from within konsole 3.5.4.  Then I typed 'konsole' and get the segfault.  Is that how it's supposed to be done ?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I was typing :P
[06:26] <Jucato> :)
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I type fast, just not above 115wpm :P
[06:26] <Jucato> heh
[06:27] <Jucato> in short, after installing kde4base, then typing in the export commands, how do we try to run apps?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> today im typing 3-5 lpm
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Type them in the konsole
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Jucato: In the same konsole you ran the commands
[06:27] <gnomefreak> if you dont runt he export commands does konsole 3.8 open?
[06:27] <Jucato> (I thought we were asking Riddell that...)
[06:27] <Hawkwind> export is only a temporary command. 
[06:28] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Absolutely not.  It defaults to 3.5.4 as it should
[06:28] <gnomefreak> no segfault though?
[06:28] <Hawkwind> Because the KDE4 stuff is installed in a completely different place outside of the users $PATH
[06:28] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No, because KDE 3.5.4 works perfectly as is 
[06:29] <gnomefreak> i have this feeling its a conflict in versions (but my brain isnt doing so well today between kernel usplash tty and nvidia issues) :(
[06:29] <Jucato> gnomefreak: still no tty after the latest upgrades...
[06:30] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: It's not a conflict
[06:30] <Jucato> and I seemed to have lost the scrolling text in USplash...
[06:30] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yes
[06:30] <gnomefreak> thats normal
[06:30] <gnomefreak> Jucato: he pulled it out
[06:30] <Jucato> ah the USplash? but not the missing tty's?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> correct
[06:31] <Jucato> :)
[06:31] <gnomefreak> he told me usplash had nothing to do with tty
[06:31] <gnomefreak> Jucato: usplash 0.4-18 will be in updates within next 12-24 hours
[06:31] <Jucato> yay
[06:32] <gnomefreak> its already uploaded
[06:32] <Jucato> heh.. it's so fun to be "involved" in development :)
[06:32] <Jucato> gotta try this again in edgy+1 :D
[06:33] <gnomefreak> Jucato: been doing this a while it gets irratating at times
[06:33] <Jucato> heh
[06:33] <gnomefreak> pre breezy i think i started
[06:33] <Jucato> I guess everything's nice when you're new :)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt give it up for anything (you learn _alot_ testing distros)
[06:34] <Riddell> Hawkwind: you could try installing kde4base-dev and seeing if that helps
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Ahhh, that might do something since it's 144MB of more goodies :)
[06:35] <Jucato> lol
[06:35] <Riddell> hmm yes, I get segfault if I remove the -dev packages
[06:35] <Riddell> lovely
[06:35] <Jucato> so kde4base-dev needs to be installed as well :)
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Hah.  I didn't even think to see if the -dev packages got installed or not
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Absolutely
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: For now anyways
[06:36] <Jucato> yay for kde4! :)
[06:37] <Hawkwind> w00t
[06:37] <Hawkwind> Riddell: That did the trick for sure
[06:37] <Riddell> groovy
[06:37] <Jucato> Riddell r0x!
[06:38] <Hawkwind> Wow, konqueror works too
[06:38] <Hawkwind> Very nice
[06:38] <Riddell> Hawkwind: really?  better than I get
[06:38] <Jucato> lol
[06:38] <Jucato> nice
[06:39] <Hawkwind> I do get what seems about 1,000 spit into konsole when I run it, seems normal stuff
[06:39] <Hawkwind> But it seems to work pretty darn good
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You'll be happy to know klipper doesn't work in KDE4 either :P
[06:39] <Jucato> heh
[06:40] <Jucato> well Klipper was working until I rebooted... probably something with session management] 
[06:40] <Jucato> even adept_notifier didn't start up. although kmix and g-p-m did
[06:40] <Jucato> and katapult
[06:40] <Hawkwind> LOL @ running kicker in KDE4
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Now that is a groovy effect
[06:41] <Jucato> 2 kickers?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> No
[06:41] <Jucato> ah killed the other one first
[06:41] <Hawkwind> It puts one on top of the original, then keeps stacking them all the way to the top of the screen
[06:41] <Jucato> lol
[06:42] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, now it works
[06:42] <Hawkwind> Killing the original first then running it 
[06:42] <Jucato> heh
[06:42] <Hawkwind> Jucato: How much RAM you have ?
[06:42] <Jucato> 640 MB
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That is more than enough to run vmware-server
[06:43] <Jucato> vmware runs fine...but slows down a bit
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh, no configing the kicker in KDE4 
[06:43] <jjesse> i have a gig and a qtr but need more
[06:43] <jjesse> my laptop is really slow w/ vm on it
[06:44] <Jucato> ooh....
[06:44] <Jucato> gotta have more RAM... RAM.. RAM...
[06:44] <Riddell> so lets upload kde 4 to edgy and see what happens
[06:45] <Jucato> heh
[06:45] <Hawkwind> Hah!  That'll upset some people
[06:45] <Riddell> why?
[06:45] <Hawkwind> I like how in konqueror where the throbber is supposed to be, it says: Animated Logo
[06:45] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Sorry, wrong channel I typed that in :P
[06:46] <gnomefreak> ok i missed this but we need the -dev files?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> KDE4 seems to be a bit quicker than the 3.5 branch
[06:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: seems like it
[06:46] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: kde4base-dev
[06:46] <Riddell> gnomefreak: seems so, kde4base-dev
[06:46] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Without it things don't seem to work 
[06:46] <gnomefreak> ok ill be sure to add them
[06:46] <Riddell> Hawkwind: qt 4 is faster
[06:46] <Hawkwind> Might want to update the .php page and put that info on there
[06:47] <Jucato> yay for qt4!
[06:47] <jjesse> so is edgy set for kde 4?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> i finally filed a bug that i should have filed 3 hours ago
[06:47] <Jucato> nah...
[06:47] <Hawkwind> Riddell: This is certainly my first experience with qt4 so I can understand that's what makes it faster
[06:48] <Jucato> one of the best parts about KDE 4 that I'm looking forward to is being able to use KDE apps in Windows (only if/when I need to be in windows..)
[06:49] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's just sick!
[06:49] <jjesse> so what version of kde will edgy ship w/  (working on release notes)
[06:49] <kwwii> dude, you should see kde4 run on osx!!!
[06:49] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:49] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.4
[06:49] <Jucato> kwwii: I did
[06:49] <jjesse> kwwii: didn't someone post screenshots recently?
[06:49] <Jucato> imbrandon made me drool..
[06:49] <Hawkwind> jjesse: Should ship with 3.5.4 I would think
[06:50] <Jucato> 20%...
[06:51] <Hawkwind> Hah!  Opening adept tells me wrong password, even though it's the rightone
[06:51] <Hawkwind> s/rightone/right one
[06:54] <Jucato> :)
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Hah, well it's not mine.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
[06:59] <jdong|laptop> lol
[07:01] <Hawkwind> So when can we start filing bugs on this KDE version :)
[07:01] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:01] <Jucato> lol
[07:01] <Jucato> don't worry about that... you'll get more soon enough...
[07:04] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah, we don't know that for sure
[07:04] <Jucato> lol
[07:05] <Jucato> sshh....
[07:05] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I find it... amusing, that we're testing KDE 4 barely a day after GNOME 2.16 was released :)
[07:05] <Hawkwind> Hah yeah
[07:06] <Jucato> yay! almost done... kde4base-dev next
[07:06] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, is there a backport of Gnome-2.16 for Dapper I wonder
[07:06] <Riddell> we're 1.84 ahead of them!
[07:06] <Jucato> lol
[07:06] <Hawkwind> KDE has been around 10 years now, how long has Gnome been around, anyone know ?
[07:06] <sebas> 1.64, with krash :-)
[07:07] <Jucato> heh
[07:07] <Hawkwind> sebas: Hah, true
[07:07] <Hawkwind> 1.64.1 actually :P
[07:07] <sebas> Yez!
[07:08] <jdong|laptop> Hawkwind: a backport of gnome 2.16? you got to be kidding :)
[07:08] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: no backport for gnome
[07:08] <Jucato> aw.... how come? :)
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, I was just curious as to what my favorite Gnome app, gedit, looks like now
[07:09] <gnomefreak> gnome and kernels are 2 things you will most likely never see backported
[07:09] <jdong|laptop> core-devs would smack me
[07:09] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: same as it did in 2.14 :(
[07:09] <gnomefreak> smack is an understament on that one
[07:09] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: It's supposed to have gotten some new features especially with the gedit-plugins stuff
[07:09] <gnomefreak> eh
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I don't know.  Just something I used and have stuck with it
[07:10] <Jucato> :)
[07:10] <jdong|laptop> Hawkwind: you should be able to pbuilder gedit from edgy....
[07:10] <jdong|laptop> I don't think that'll get you into dependency hell
[07:10] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: normal usage ther eis no diff. i have too many issues the past few weeks to play too much with it'
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Hmm so 2.16 is in Edgy already ?
[07:10] <Jucato> heh
[07:11] <gnomefreak> yes the other day
[07:11] <Jucato> Edgy will use 2.16 :)
[07:11] <gnomefreak> been updating 2.16 for the last 4-5 days
[07:11] <Jucato> Ubuntu's cycle sycns with GNOME's
[07:11] <Hawkwind> Then I'll install ubuntu-desktop in my vmware Kubuntu :P
[07:11] <gnomefreak> yes try to always
[07:11] <jdong|laptop> Hawkwind: you could just install gedit.
[07:11] <Hawkwind> 165MB to install
[07:12] <gnomefreak> gedit would be 100mb :)
[07:12] <Hawkwind> jdong|laptop: VMware has nothing better to do than to install the entire Gnome desktop :P
[07:12] <jdong|laptop> suit yourself :)
[07:12] <Jucato> lol
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Besides, it's already done
[07:12] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: your net connection is way too fast
[07:13] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I complain that it's too damn slow still
[07:13] <Hawkwind> We are supposed to be up to 25MB by the end of the year, and up to 200MB by the end of next year
[07:13] <gnomefreak> i download 27kbs on dsl
[07:13] <gnomefreak> well dsl lite
[07:13] <Jucato> he's running SoS.... should that be a surprise? :)
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah!  SoS is hosted elsewhere.  RR would kill me if I hosted that site at home
[07:14] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[07:14] <Jucato> lol
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: hey
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Actually...they just cut the line
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Hah
[07:14] <Hawkwind> s/they/they'd
[07:14] <Hawkwind> They'd tell me: No more soup for you!
[07:23] <Riddell> KDE 4 announced on the website and uploaded to edgy
[07:23] <Hawkwind> Nice!
[07:23] <Jucato> that fast? whoa
[07:23] <Jucato> just when I finished installing it... :)
[07:26] <Jucato> heh konqueror doesn't run :)
[07:26] <Riddell> Jucato: konsole?
[07:27] <Jucato> it runs
[07:27] <Jucato> so does kate
[07:27] <Riddell> Hawkwind: are you sure you had konqueror 4 running?
[07:27] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Absolutely positive
[07:28] <Hawkwind> I pulled up the about screen to verify
[07:28] <Jucato> kicker runs as well, but no system tray and pager
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may require help concerning the viewmode patch
[07:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's that?
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the button to change view :)
[07:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: everything is done in kds and I patched the viewmode-toolbar actionlist to react like the viewmode one
[07:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: toma looked but didn't find what to patch to add the icon, so Lure is gonna look
[07:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case he doesn't find, will you eventually have a look ?
[07:30] <Tonio_> I have looked at the structure and that may not be that hard to do, but I'm not able to do it myself........
[07:30] <Jucato> kcontrol runs with no modules...
[07:31] <Tonio_> I think it is important to do this since we had lots of complains concerning this.......
[07:34] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah, you're right
[07:34] <Jucato> :)
[07:34] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Can you not get konqueror to start at all ?
[07:34] <Jucato> Hawkwind: neither can I
[07:34] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Run it from a terminal
[07:34] <Jucato> I did
[07:34] <Hawkwind> It won't start for me if I click on the icon, but it will from a terminal
[07:34] <Jucato> it crashes
[07:36] <Jucato> kinfocenter and kcontrol run, but crashes upon exit and have no contents. khelpcenter runs, has a table of contents, but no contents :)
[07:36] <Jucato> lol Hawkwind try running ksysguard and watch your Konsole :)
[07:37] <Hawkwind> http://seerofsouls.com/screenshots/konqueror.png
[07:37] <Jucato> no fair
[07:37] <Hawkwind> Jucato: What am I looking for when ksysguard runs ?
[07:38] <Jucato> the terminal that launched ksysguard?
[07:38] <Jucato> mine scrolls like hell
[07:38] <hunger> How can I get rid of that kubuntu background image in konqueror again?
[07:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Mine doesn't
[07:38] <Jucato> hunger: View menu?
[07:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It does when I run konqueror though
[07:38] <Jucato> View menu > Configure Background
[07:38] <hunger> Jucato: Doh!
[07:39] <Jucato> :)
[07:39] <hunger> Jucato: I checked everything under the settings tab!
[07:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: What else can you not get running ?
[07:39] <Jucato> konsole, kate, kcontrol, kinfocenter, khelpcenter, ksysguard
[07:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Weird stuff
[07:40] <Jucato> :D
[07:40] <Jucato> I like :)
[07:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Have you restarted KDE after the upgrade before running the export commands ?
[07:40] <Jucato> er.. nope
[07:40] <Jucato> :D
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Restart KDE, then open up konsole, type the export commands, then run programs
[07:41] <Jucato> I'm in the middle of uploading some stolen screenshots of Knot 2 :D
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Uploading them to where ?
[07:41] <Jucato> my Multiply site
[07:42] <Hawkwind> Jucato: All of those things run for me here
[07:42] <Jucato> er..
[07:42] <Jucato> my apologies..
[07:43] <Jucato> I did knot see "not" in your previous question
[07:43] <Hawkwind> kinfocenter and khelpcenter are empty
[07:43] <Jucato> those are the things that I CAN run...
[07:43] <Hawkwind> Ahhh ok
[07:43] <Hawkwind> So what can you *NOTTTTTTTTTTT* run
[07:43] <Hawkwind> Hah
[07:43] <Jucato> Konqueror
[07:48] <jjesse> wow that was a lot of nickname switches :)
[07:48] <Jucato> heh
[07:48] <Jucato> multiple personality disorder?
[07:49] <mornfall> we call that schizophrenia ;-)
[07:49] <Jucato> heh
[07:49] <Hawkwind> Ok, nap time.  3 hours til the very important meeting
[07:49] <Jucato> heh... you're gonna be too nervous to sleep :)
[07:50] <mornfall> although wikipedia seems sorta disagreeing about that usage
[07:50] <mornfall> Hawkwind: what meeting :)
[07:50] <Jucato> lol
[07:50] <mornfall> date?
[07:51] <jjesse> kubuntu meeting today at 21:00 i think
[07:51] <Jucato> Sept 7, 2006 21:00 UTC....
[07:51] <mornfall> c'mon, you can't be nervous because of that :p
[07:51] <Jucato> oh he is... for some reason :D
[07:52] <mornfall> Epica -- Sensorium
[07:52] <mornfall> Jucato: what reason :)
[07:52] <mornfall> maybe he takes matters too seriously :))
[07:53] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[07:53] <Jucato> :)
[07:53] <mornfall> although considering my state, i may take everything too lightly...
[07:53] <Jucato> heh
[07:54] <mornfall> chanop? that's all? :)
[07:54] <Jucato> heh
[07:54] <Jucato> feels like he's gonna stand before the Inqusition probably :)
[07:54] <Jucato> (I probably would, too, if I were in his shoes... glad I'm not)
[07:55] <Jucato> heh no way!
[07:55] <mornfall> well, i'm left completely cold by a thought of being #kubuntu chanop, or by someone deciding about that :p
[07:56] <mornfall> or any channel for that matter
[07:56] <Jucato> if you're getting old, then that means I am too... so don't get old :)
[07:56] <mornfall> Jucato: how old are you? :)
[07:56] <Jucato> around your age. 23 :)
[07:56] <gnomefreak> all i need is the kde4base-dev now?
[07:56] <mornfall> oops :)
[07:56] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep
[07:56] <gnomefreak> ok
[07:57] <mornfall> Jucato: okey, so you are older than me :p
[07:57] <jjesse> 23 is not old
[07:57] <mornfall> it's not
[07:57] <mornfall> but it's relative
[07:57] <Jucato> heh. but you've done more than I have :)
[07:57] <toma> Tonio_: ping
[07:57] <Jucato> Riddel and mornfall (and me) are almost the same ages...
[07:58] <jjesse> so at 28 i'm the old man of the club?
[07:58] <Jucato> "almost" :)
[07:58] <LaserJock> jjesse: is oooold :-)
[07:58] <gnomefreak> older than jjesse  but shhhhhh
[07:58] <Jucato> lol
[07:58] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try the tty's before i finish this install
[07:58] <Jucato> heh
[08:02] <gnomefreak> still no tty's :(
[08:02] <Jucato> gnomefreak: hm... I think I mentioned that a while ago?
[08:02] <Jucato> or probably not...
[08:03] <gnomefreak> Jucato: they havent worked all morning
[08:03] <Jucato> yeah, and I just updated a while ago, and restarted. still not tty's...
[08:04] <gnomefreak> Jucato: what you just updated i updated at 4am this morning
[08:05] <Jucato> hm... timezone differences...
[08:05] <gnomefreak> its now 2pm :( and i want my damn nap now but guy in #ubuntu doesnt have the first clue on what he wants or what he is doing
[08:05] <Jucato> I update before I started installing kde 4
[08:05] <Jucato> oh there, new updates again...
[08:07] <kwwii> re
[08:09] <marseillai> concerning kubuntupowermanagement is there possiblity to have several scheme settings for each sort of utilisation wich possibility to configure those settings? And would it be possible to have configuration for two level of battery remain? I mean is it possible to make kubuntupowermanager looks like kpowersave for the settings possibility ?
[08:10] <sebas> There is not, and it's not planned.
[08:10] <marseillai> why that ?
[08:11] <marseillai> you think there's no need for this ?
[08:11] <sebas> It's supposed to be KISS (and there's not enough time to write all that anyway).
[08:11] <marseillai> kiss ?
[08:11] <sebas> No, I think there's kpowersave already, you can use that.
[08:11] <sebas> "Keep It Simple Stupid"
[08:12] <marseillai> kpowersave doesn't use acpi-supports so it doesn't work fine on many laptops
[08:13] <marseillai> and keep it simple stupid is imho more gnome spirit than kde spirit
[08:14] <marseillai> you can make it simple to use and let many configuration options for power user
[08:14] <sebas> Then there's still one reason left: "There is no patch that does it"
[08:15] <marseillai> yes i know that's the reason i came here : to say i think it should be pretty good to improve this!
[08:15] <sebas> But if there is no one who wants to write it, it's moot.
[08:17] <sebas> In fact, the kpowersave people are working on a rewrite, so in the long term, all should be fine.
[08:17] <sebas> This rewrite is supposed to make more use of HAL, that should take care of your acpi-support issues.
[08:26] <marseillai> sebas: as does klaptopdaemon ?
[08:30] <sebas> I'm not aware of active development on klaptopdaemon.
[08:30] <sebas> Are you?
[08:43] <Tonio_> toma: pong
[08:44] <Tonio_> a bit late sorry ;)
[08:45] <toma> Tonio_: fyi, the smoothscrolling patch is in kdelibs now
[08:45] <Tonio_> toma: perfect ;) thanks a lot for this :)
[08:45] <toma> np
[08:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png
[08:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: is that known problem ?
[08:48] <Tonio_> toma: Lure is gonna try to help me concerning the viewmode patch
[08:48] <toma> ok!
[08:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: OMG!!! you broke it!!!!
[08:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, that is a known problem
[08:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> okay
[08:48] <kwwii> at first, the blue still being included was a bug, but now, the purple being included is a bug :p
[08:48] <Jucato> what's a known problem?
[08:48] <Jucato> :)
[08:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: and just to be sure, usplash isn't providing any graphics for me, kinda development stuff, like a test channel on tv
[08:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: I presume that's normal, but I'd like to be sure :)
[08:50] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, that is known as well
[08:50] <kwwii> that is what you get when there is no theme
[08:50] <Tonio_> I'm just surprised dapper stuff doesn't appear, has it been removed ?
[08:50] <kwwii> yepp
[08:50] <Tonio_> ah oki :)
[08:50] <kwwii> we will be including a new usplash soon
[08:50] <Tonio_> forget me then :)
[08:50] <kwwii> that is one of the issues I will bring up at tonights developer meeting
[08:51] <Tonio_> I'm just steeling your time my friend
[08:51] <Jucato> hm.. strange thing... when I boot into the k7 kernel (which was installed before), I can see the scrolling text. but if I boot into the general kernel, I don't see them. feature or bug?
[08:51] <Tonio_> sebas: hu ?
[08:51] <Tonio_> sebas: I didn't touch kds concerning this
[08:51] <sebas> kds?
[08:51] <Tonio_> kubuntu-default-settings
[08:51] <sebas> kwwii: Uuh ... look away!
[08:52] <Tonio_> sebas: I said I "could" do something in case of no patch beeing released, but I didn't do that at all
[08:52] <sebas> kwwii: Did you install the latest one?
[08:52] <kwwii> sebas: it was updated yesterday
[08:52] <sebas> That was a joke 
[08:52] <kwwii> sebas is this big ass, mean dutch guy...wanna watch yourself around him
[08:52] <Tonio_> sebas: add a smiley next time :)
[08:53] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:53] <kwwii> I am waiting for the day when I meet a developer who answers my question of "when did you get into linux?" with "prison"
[09:03] <bddebian> kwwii: hehe
[09:08] <Tonio_> Lure: bug 30809 just fixed
[09:08] <Ubug2> Malone bug 30809 in kdemultimedia "KsCD does not work out of box" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30809
[09:49] <kwwii> does anyone have a good reason as to why we should not round the corners of the windows
[09:52] <jdong|laptop> yes. you lose valuable space around the edges of the windows
[09:53] <jdong|laptop> you can squeeze like 4 more letters in without rounded edges
[09:53] <kwwii> hehe
[09:53] <jdong|laptop> but seriously, if it looks good then it's fine
[09:54] <jdong|laptop> the way gnome does it, it's still a bit rough around the edges (pun intended)
[09:54] <jdong|laptop> and just ugly because of it
[10:03] <jjesse> is katapult enabled by default in edgy?
[10:03] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[10:03] <jjesse> hmm i had to manually launch it
[10:05] <Riddell> it was broken in Knot 2 I think
[10:05] <jjesse> ah, need to update then
[10:09] <jdong|laptop> 350MB free space... not good
[10:16] <apachelogger> mornfall: ping
[10:16] <mornfall> pong
[10:17] <apachelogger> mornfall: if one adds a new line to sources.list via adept - will it be saved to the sources.list after clicking Add?
[10:17] <mornfall> probably no
[10:18] <apachelogger> mornfall: should be that way IMO
[10:18] <apachelogger> because if I already clicked Add, I'd not see a reason to click Apply as well
[10:18] <mornfall> dunno
[10:18] <apachelogger> mornfall: neither did a totally newbie user in #amarok
[10:18] <mornfall> what about edits
[10:18] <mornfall> possible
[10:19] <apachelogger> mornfall: should talk to someone from kde usability
[10:19] <mornfall> well, not really
[10:19] <mornfall> the whole thing is going away
[10:19] <mornfall> but
[10:19] <apachelogger> ah, ok ^^
[10:19] <mornfall> that'll take time
[10:19] <mornfall> like, lots of time
[10:19] <mornfall> i haven't touched the code for over a month
[10:20] <mornfall> and there's job and there'll be school
[10:20] <apachelogger> mornfall: should do some promotion for adept coding to get a team
[10:20] <apachelogger> also working in team is lot more fun - even for one app ^^
[10:20] <mornfall> i'm notoriously hard to work with
[10:20] <mornfall> although that may have changed recently... a bit
[10:21] <mornfall> but it still needs people that are pretty skilled with C++
[10:21] <mornfall> it's hard for me to write easy code, for some reason
[10:22] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Riddell: fixed the "E: qcomicbook: description-starts-with-package-name" http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3050
[10:23] <apachelogger> mornfall: might be advantage when searching for help - some people look out for stuff to show themself how good they are ;-)
[10:24] <mornfall> don't know those i guess :-)
[10:25] <mornfall> debugging adept is sort of black magic these days...
[10:25] <Sime> sebas: ping
[10:26] <mornfall> i can only think of 2 people who managed to build trunk at all :p
[10:27] <mornfall> and i'm not feeling like going on a marketing campaign now
[10:27] <mornfall> making it all nice and cozy to build etc to attract people
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Still trying to get qcomicbook in?
[10:27] <mornfall> that's almost as much work as making it actually work
[10:30] <apachelogger> oioi
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, package news @ kubuntu.org should describe stuff little better, for the apt newbies
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: patches welcome :)
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe, will work on something while traveling to Essen, Germany tomorrow :)
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[10:54] <nixternal> nice!
[10:56] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting
[11:01] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Did you call Hobbsee ?
[11:02] <Riddell> yes
[11:03] <Riddell> toma: ping?
[11:04] <toma> thnxs Riddell
[11:04] <seaLne> i timed this really badly i'm halfway through cooking my dinner :-/
[11:46] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Good morning :)
[11:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[11:47] <kwwii> Hobbsee: MEETING!!!!
[11:47] <kwwii> hehe
[11:47] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind 
[11:47] <kwwii> you are already there, sorry
[11:47] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[11:47] <kwwii> good morning
[11:47] <Hobbsee> how much have we already covered?
[11:47] <Hawkwind> KST is next item
[11:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: so i see :P
[11:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i autojoin
[11:48] <kwwii> just a bunch of boring technical things
[11:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: and abattoir_ isn't responding..
[11:48] <Hawkwind> But abattoir has serious connection issues :(
[11:48] <Hobbsee> ah great
[11:48] <Hobbsee> guess you guys will have to talk instead
[11:48] <Hawkwind> Guess it's up to Jucato to lead it :P
[11:48] <Hobbsee> can someone pastebin me a log of all that'sgone on please?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> fabbione's are usually delayed by half an hour ro so
[11:49] <Hawkwind> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/93
[11:49] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: ^^^^
[11:50] <Jucato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22860
[11:51] <Jucato> abattoir_: I hope that you're there...
[11:51] <Hawkwind> He's not responding :(
[11:51] <Jucato> ouch...
[11:51] <Hawkwind> No ping reply either
[11:51] <Jucato> I'm not really prepared... 
[11:51] <Jucato> Hawkwind: we'll owe you big time :)
[11:53] <kwwii> blah, blah, technical, technical, blah, blah
[11:53] <Jucato> lol
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:53] <Hawkwind> kwwii: Your true thoughts... ?
[11:53] <Hawkwind> Hah
[11:55] <kwwii> Hawkwind: funny, eh? funny, but the older I get, the more natural I want to live my life...one day I will probably just throw my computers out the window and quit
[12:03] <toma> fabo: btw, when you have time left, it would be good to get some default settings of kscope, it asks for the path to cscope for example...
[12:03] <fabo> toma: added on my TODO
[12:04] <Hobbsee> fabo: congratulations
[12:04] <fabo> thanks Hobbsee :)
[12:04] <toma> fabo: oki!