[12:11] <micmac> rioux602, you fogot the editor.
[12:11] <rioux602> how then ?
[12:12] <coreymon77> echo1: why do you need this?
[12:12] <Xcalibur> anyone know a better wireless connection manager?
[12:12] <clams> coreymon77: i'm looking on the wiki right now but i can't find what im supposed to do to install it. know any more info about it offhand? i vaguely remember doing it for ubuntu hoary...
[12:12] <Xcalibur> than wlassistant?
[12:12] <micmac> rioux602, 'sudo <editor> /path/to/smb.conf'
[12:12] <coreymon77> clams: well i had to do it
[12:12] <Xcalibur> ?
[12:13] <rioux602> wich editor ?
[12:13] <Xcalibur> !wifi
[12:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:13] <echo1> coreymon77: want to buy a new router and futureshop has a dlink one on sale but i dont know if i can install thehacked firmware
[12:13] <echo1> coreymon77: ^^
[12:13] <clams> coreymon77: do you have a link or anything to a guide that will walk me through it? thanks for your help :)
[12:13] <Xcalibur> anyone?
[12:13] <coreymon77> clams: yes i do
[12:13] <coreymon77> clams: its called apt
[12:14] <Xcalibur> any better connection manager?
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> echo1: Which hacked firmware ?
[12:14] <coreymon77> clams: which card do you have
[12:14] <DaSkreech> rioux602: try kdesu kate /path/to/smb.conf
[12:14] <echo1> originally for the wrtg54 but i recall reading on the forums (in the how to, but it got moved) thats its avail for other router brands
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> echo1: toh.openwrt.org (some WIP ones are usable some not- you need a serial console for most of the WIP ones which may or not need soldering)
[12:15] <clams> coreymon77: i have a 6600gt
[12:15] <clams> pny
[12:16] <coreymon77> clams: wait a sec
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> echo1: They don't really turn it into an $800 router though they allow you to do what you can with an $800 router but are nowhere near as reliable (at the moment) -
[12:16] <rioux602> ok but do i need to cahnge in the configuration ?
[12:17] <rioux602> I'm able to se the other computer on the network but they can't see me
[12:17] <clams> coreymon77: okay thanks, although i think i may have found something
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> echo1: The only router on that table of hardware I think which is $80 which could perform like a $800 router is the gateway 7001 and the ethernet driver is not quite finished yet (ebay has them cheap but the rrp was $400)
[12:19] <echo1> h3sp4wn: i realize that, that was just the name of the forum post
[12:19] <coreymon77> clams
[12:19] <coreymon77> here
[12:19] <coreymon77> !nvidia clams
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia clams - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <coreymon77> !nvidia
[12:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> echo1: If its DLINK (and ar7 don't expect working wireless for quite a long time)
[12:20] <rioux602> this line is ok ? interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth0
[12:20] <mikki> can someone help me, i cant write @ on my keybord. and some other char..
[12:21] <coreymon77> clams: did you find something
[12:22] <echo1> yeah  doesn't matter, that particular router isnt supported
[12:22] <clams> yes im here sorry about that!
[12:22] <clams> and i can't message you since i'm not registered
[12:22] <echo1> ill probably get it regardless because its a good deal and i dont really have any need for hacked portion
[12:22] <coreymon77> so
[12:22] <clams> coreymon77: here
[12:22] <coreymon77> did you find anything
[12:22] <clams> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia i found this
[12:22] <coreymon77> yup
[12:23] <clams> thats the way to go?
[12:23] <coreymon77> thank our channel bot ubotu for that link
[12:23] <coreymon77> type in !botsnack
[12:23] <clams> !botsnack
[12:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:23] <coreymon77> use that link
[12:24] <clams> oh
[12:24] <clams> haha he gave me the exact same link
[12:24] <clams> wow thats a nice bot
[12:24] <inteliwasp> is the ati mobility U1 better than the 8500?
[12:24] <clams> !multiverse
[12:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:24] <lnxkde> check my blog and tell me if you think it need something more? please people :D www.lnxkde.blogspot.com
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> inteliwasp: What does lspci list it as ?
[12:25] <clams> thanks for your help coreymon77!
[12:25] <clams> and you too, ubotu!
[12:25] <inteliwasp> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
[12:25] <rioux602> I need help with samba
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> inteliwasp: That is helpful :/ (useally there is an R or RV number also)
[12:26] <inteliwasp> 1 sec i'm gonna put it on pastebin
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> inteliwasp: That is all that I needed (I would have expected - some more information in the line but that is it)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: do you use konq?
[12:28] <inteliwasp> h3sp4wn:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22778
[12:28] <Strider> Anyone know why when I "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" in the terminal, it's says "command not found."?
[12:28] <coreymon77> now about my sound
[12:29] <coreymon77> how do i get it to work
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: I use minefile
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: I use minefield
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: (A pretty old one actually but its working fine and the fonts look good so I kept it)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: ty
[12:31] <goamind> how on earth do I install nvidia drivers on ubuntu????
[12:32] <coreymon77> !tell goarmind about nvidia
[12:32] <coreymon77> !tell goamind about nvidia
[12:32] <Darkkish> when i click on a .sh file it just opens in kate
[12:33] <deeo> hehe
[12:33] <inteliwasp> h3sp4wn:  so...is it posible to use the drivers?
[12:33] <Darkkish> it didn't used to, what happened?
[12:34] <inteliwasp> Darkkish:  is the file exacutable by you?
[12:34] <Darkkish> um... idk
[12:34] <Darkkish> ther we go
[12:34] <goamind> tks man
[12:35] <Darkkish> dind't check "is exicutable"
[12:35] <goamind> I got the errors about kernel and all that
[12:35] <goamind> it didnt' find the kernel sources
[12:36] <coreymon77> goamind: didnt that link help
[12:36] <Darkkish> ok it still won't execute
[12:37] <intelikey> ok kde is screwy   where does it get it's information for ~ ???
[12:37] <Darkkish> now i click and nothing happens
[12:38] <coreymon77> goamind: did that link help at all
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> inteliwasp: I think you should be able to get working 3d with the free ones
[12:38] <intelikey> i moved root out of /root  but kde uses /root for root's home, making the dir /root and setting that for ~ as well.   anyone know where kde mucked that up ?
[12:39] <intelikey> h3sp4wn someone been using my nick ?
[12:39] <TheGateKeeper> Darkkish: navigate to it in konqueror right click, press advanced and see what the permissions are or whether not you can execute it
[12:40] <Darkkish> it says i can execute it
[12:40] <intelikey> why would they hard code the home dir for any account?
[12:40] <Strider> Anyone know if it's possible to install XGL with Kubuntu?
[12:40] <inteliwasp> h3sp4wn:  meaning that the binaries would not be any help right?
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> inteliwasp: If you can use the free ones I would use them
[12:41] <Darkkish> TheGateKeeper, i should be able to execute it, it was working fine the last time i was on
[12:41] <intelikey> h3sp4wn ah i see the tab completion error :)
[12:41] <StrudelNinja____> Hey. I'm not sure what I did but I was playing around with colors for my lower panel and now all the fonts and menus and whatnot in my system settings, konqueror, etc are really tiny, as if my screen resolution was raised
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Yep (almost certainly)
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> Darkkish: well you could always run it from the cli
[12:42] <Darkkish> TheGateKeeper, Cli?
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> !cli > Darkkish
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> read the pm
[12:42] <Darkkish> oohh
[12:42] <Darkkish> the console
[12:43] <TheGateKeeper> Darkkish: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html#toc6
[12:43] <viruz> he he for the first here, i am from belgium  hey
[12:44] <goamind> coreymon, <goamind> sorry, I didnt see u wrote. I didn't try that., I'll try in the morning, I really hope it works
[12:44] <goamind> more important is the fact that I need to instal nvidia MB drivers not only video
[12:44] <Darkkish> its just sh file.sh right?
[12:45] <Strider> Anyone know if it's possible to put XGL on Kubunutu.. and if so. Do you know of a guide/how to on the forums that will make sure I don't screw up? :)
[12:47] <Telroth|School> Strider, take your pick. most are simply copies of another one: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=xgl+ubuntu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[12:47] <Strider> Okay, thank you.
[12:47] <Telroth|School> i haven't gotten a chance to test any, but now that i have kubuntu installed i'll start testing and see what works
[12:47] <Strider> I set it up with Ubuntu, but I like the KDE layout better.
[12:48] <viruz> hello
[12:52] <coreymon77> goamind?
[12:52] <goamind> can we provate corey?
[12:52] <goamind> private
[12:52] <nagyv> hi! I would like to copy a lot of files from my ext3 hard disk to an NTFS partition with Knoppix. It worked weel for a while, but now I can't write over anything.
[12:53] <StrudelNinja> anyone know what fonts in system settings I'd want to change for the popups when I hover over windows in my menu bar below, or in my room names on tabs on konversation?
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: Tried the knoppix channel ?
[12:53] <Darkkish> lol i actually got WoW working better on linux
[12:53] <StrudelNinja> I can't seem to get them to change
[12:54] <coreymon77> goamind: are you registered with nickserv
[12:54] <coreymon77> ?
[12:55] <goamind> I am not
[12:55] <coreymon77> well then we cant private
[12:55] <goamind> :(
[12:55] <goamind> how do I register?
[12:55] <imbrandon> !register > goamind
[12:56] <goamind> !register goamind
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about register goamind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <goamind> !register
[12:56] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:57] <daniloc> i build radio streaming
[12:57] <daniloc> any can try it ?
[12:57] <asset> daniloc>i can try
[12:57] <daniloc> http://212.200.77.16:8888/
[12:57] <daniloc> try this
[12:57] <daniloc> ant tell me.
[12:59] <darksoule> hello... i need some advice... i want to save my files before i reformat but using the live cd, i cannot get to said files... i crashed vlos (again) and was trying to recover my files through ubuntu... is this even possible anymore?
[12:59] <coreymon77> goamind: registered yet
[12:59] <coreymon77> ?
[12:59] <deeo> daniloc: cool.
[12:59] <goamind> not registered
[12:59] <goamind> where do I register?
[01:00] <daniloc> deeo: working ?
[01:00] <coreymon77> go to the freenode tab at the bottom
[01:01] <coreymon77> in that tab type in
[01:01] <asset> daniloc>working but rebuffering
[01:01] <daniloc> i know, my network is too bad
[01:01] <asset> have you seen Zina? http://www.pancake.org/zina/index.html
[01:01] <asset> daniloc>http://www.pancake.org/zina/index.html
[01:01] <daniloc> wait a lil
[01:02] <coreymon77> type /msg nickserv register [the password you want to use]  and press enter
[01:02] <coreymon77> then type /msg nickserv identify [your password] 
[01:03] <asset> daniloc>actually Jinzora is much prettier than Zina, this is the one I meant to send you http://www.jinzora.com/
[01:03] <coreymon77> okay?
[01:03] <Darkkish> how do i get my 4 button mouse working?
[01:03] <daniloc> aseet: nice
[01:03] <Darkkish> 5 including the scroll wheel
[01:04] <asset> daniloc>yea, jinzora is smooth
[01:05] <daniloc> i will try now
[01:05] <daniloc> i thinks is good
[01:06] <asset> daniloc>I would be careful about putting any of those on to pubic networks. Nessus has plugins for a lot of them... Jinzora gets patched up though
[01:06] <StrudelNinja> anyone know what fonts in system settings I'd want to change for the popups when I hover over windows in my menu bar below, or in my room names on tabs on konversation? I can't seem to find any that will change them.
[01:06] <daniloc> i see
[01:06] <daniloc> it is very nice ;)
[01:06] <coreymon77> goamind?
[01:07] <asset> daniloc>here is the Nessus for GNUMP3d http://www.nessus.org/plugins/index.php?view=single&id=20244
[01:08] <darksoule> how do i access files from another OS partition?
[01:08] <asset> daniloc>looks like you are 1 version past that though is was for 2.9.8... just keep up on any package you use that is public... mom signing off ..haha
[01:09] <daniloc> :))))
[01:12] <asset> anyone used "snoop" on ubuntu?
[01:12] <coreymon77> hello
[01:12] <coreymon77> goamind are you there?
[01:13] <daniloc> what is snoop ?
[01:13] <daniloc> asset: pvt please
[01:14] <goamind> corey.... do you have yahoo or msn?
[01:14] <goamind> goamynd is my yahoo ID
[01:15] <asset> daniloc>i have to register my nick
[01:15] <asset> one sec
[01:16] <daniloc> ok,
[01:16] <daniloc> waiting for you
[01:16] <daniloc> !register
[01:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:18] <StrudelNinja> Ok so I was messing around with my fonts in system settings and I accidently changed them all. I think I have everything back to normal, except the font for my channel tabs and status bar in Konversation, and my popups when I hover over an icon on my lower panel aren't right, but I can't figure out how to change them
[01:25] <ERRY111> driz
[01:25] <zblach> hi. there's some new functionality i'd like to try. maybe someone can point me in the right direction for it
[01:25] <driz> Hey guys I need to install the latest version of JAVA is it in Adept?\
[01:25] <driz> ERRY111
[01:25] <XVampireX> !java
[01:26] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[01:26] <soulrider> driz: whatd oy ou need, JRe or JDK ?
[01:26] <driz> JRE
[01:26] <zblach> i'm currently running breezy on my desktop. I store all my music here. how can I access it (listen to it) from another computer?
[01:26] <XVampireX> driz :)
[01:26] <driz> XVampireX 0.o
[01:27] <XVampireX> And just for the record, you don't ask if something is in adept, you ask if something is in the repositories :)
[01:27] <XVampireX> Adept is just a program
[01:28] <XVampireX> in adept search for sun-java5-jre and install that
[01:29] <driz> ok I'll try that thanks
[01:29] <zblach> is icecast too extreme for what i'm trying to do?
[01:29] <driz> I already got it apparently
[01:29] <XVampireX> driz: gotta reconfigure defaults
[01:29] <pushpop-> I noticed that Add Remote Programs is missing alot of applications such as mozilla firefox and xchat.  How do you enabled it so they can be installed via adept?
[01:30] <pushpop-> remove*
[01:30] <XVampireX> driz, check in the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[01:30] <XVampireX> pushpop-: enable universe and multiverse
[01:31] <pushpop-> XVampireX: that is done is sources.list?
[01:31] <XVampireX> yeah
[01:31] <XVampireX> driz: this section: "Selecting the default Java version"
[01:32] <driz> XVampireX: I had Adept open i think its all good now but i need to check
[01:33] <pushpop-> XVampireX: I only see universe not multi unviers
[01:33] <XVampireX> it's the restricted part, I think
[01:34] <XVampireX> Basically you need to remove all the comments that have something like that: # deb (or was it just #deb ?)
[01:34] <XVampireX> remove the # in those
[01:34] <mighty-d> hi, does anyone knows superkaramba's path to themes?
[01:34] <pushpop-> ok
[01:34] <pushpop-> got cha
[01:35] <pushpop-> XVampireX: Do you need to do something to adept because I dont see anything new showing up?
[01:35] <XVampireX> pushpop-: don't forget about updating (I am not sure if adept does that)
[01:35] <mighty-d> hi, does anyone knows superkaramba's path to themes? (default path)
[01:35] <XVampireX> pushpop-: yeah, gotta update
[01:36] <pushpop->  apt-get update?
[01:36] <XVampireX> pushpop-: sudo apt-get update
[01:36] <XVampireX> but adept should have that functionality
[01:36] <pushpop-> ok
[01:36] <ERRY111> Can someone help me? I'm removing some unwanted applications and Adept is asking me if I want to stop kdm daemon. What do I do?
[01:36] <pushpop-> I appreciate your help
[01:36] <XVampireX> No problems
[01:36] <shadowhywind> i would say no erry111 (but i am still a newbie myslef)
[01:37] <XVampireX> ERRY111: No, you don't stop the KDM daemon
[01:37] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know of an app that will allow me to minimize something to the system tray?
[01:37] <XVampireX> ERRY111: the KDM is basically the X server... I.E: the you're running KDE on it
[01:37] <shadowhywind> anyone good with ndiswrapper?
[01:38] <ERRY111> Ok, it's unresponsive. I can't choose "No"
[01:38] <XVampireX> Kr4t05: There should be one somewhere in www.kde-apps.org
[01:38] <Kr4t05> I have an xterm session set to start on KDE login, for F@H, and I want to be able to free that spot in my taskbar.
[01:38] <ERRY111> i've clicked on it, and pressed the "N" key
[01:38] <ERRY111> and I get nothing
[01:38] <XVampireX> ERRY111: Make sure what you want to remove doesn't remove KDM too, or anything related directly to KDE
[01:39] <Telroth|School> Kr4t05,
[01:39] <Telroth|School> you can't force it into the systray with any programs i know of
[01:39] <ERRY111> XVampireX: adept is not responding
[01:39] <Telroth|School> but you can make it not show in the task bar (you'd have to alt-tab to get to it)
[01:39] <XVampireX> Telroth|School: I clearly remember I've seen a program for it.
[01:39] <Telroth|School> also, if it's a console window
[01:39] <Telroth|School> get yakuake
[01:39] <ERRY111> XVampireX: It's not letting me choose anything.
[01:40] <XVampireX> ERRY111: Terminate the adept session
[01:40] <Telroth|School> it's a drop-down terminal just like the ones found in many 3d fps games
[01:40] <ERRY111> XVampireX: Ok hold on
[01:40] <NeoChucky> Kr4t05: have a look at "ksystraycmd"
[01:41] <NeoChucky> I think it does exactly what you want
[01:41] <XVampireX> Kr4t05: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24006
[01:43] <NeoChucky> by the way... kdialog is good for displaying tooltips from a shell script. Just if you need it...
[01:44] <XVampireX> I wonder what happened to ERRY111
[01:44] <deeo> ffmpeg is a CC warning *beast*.
[01:45] <deeo> i particularly like the parts mentioning the use of void* in arithmetic
[01:45] <zblach> anyone ever setup anything similar?
[01:46] <deeo> zblach: check out nas
[01:46] <Telroth> zblach, set up shoutcast to stream it or set up an nfs partition that you cam mount from another computer
[01:46] <StrudelNinja> Ok so I was messing around with my fonts in system settings and I accidently changed them all. I think I have everything back to normal, except the font for my channel tabs and status bar in Konversation, and my tooltips when I hover over an icon on my lower panel aren't right, but I can't figure out how to change them
[01:46] <XVampireX> zblach: Supposedly if you want networked sound you can either use some sound server or for example, latest amarok has DAAP support.
[01:47] <zblach> daap?
[01:47] <XVampireX> Some protocol that can stream to network
[01:47] <deeo> digital audio access protocol
[01:47] <XVampireX> yeah
[01:47] <XVampireX> daap.sourceforge.net
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> You can use mpd
[01:48] <XVampireX> MPD is not that :P
[01:48] <XVampireX> But yeah, it's possible to use mpd
[01:48] <XVampireX> for that
[01:49] <deeo> or arts.
[01:49] <deeo> or icecast.
[01:49] <XVampireX> yup
[01:50] <deeo> not very clean that way, though.
[01:50] <deeo> i would just suggest adding a share via the kde sharing thingy.
[01:50] <deeo> something called 'music' or something.  then just play the files.
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> mpd is pretty clean way of doing it
[01:51] <seurimas> hello all!
[01:51] <deeo> System Settings -> Sharing -> File Sharing, there's that thinger.
[01:53] <deeo> dude icecast runs over a dialup connection on a bad day.
[01:53] <deeo> i think smb is a little faster than that.
[01:54] <Telroth> smb or nfs or fish is better than icecast or daap because it allows the files to be played directly and makes changing the song easy
[01:54] <deeo> if it can transfer at 192kbps, you're laughing.
[01:55] <deeo> (24KBps, that is.)
[01:55] <dako> I am having issues with adept. It won't let me uprade, like it's stuck.
[01:55] <XVampireX> dako: Some packages may get to the repositories before the required dependencies get there.
[01:55] <XVampireX> Or the mirror doesn't work
[01:56] <XVampireX> or some other problems
[01:56] <XVampireX> Unless it didn't let you upgrade for a while
[01:56] <dako> it was a fresh install, it list the files as upgradeable but requested is no change
[01:56] <XVampireX> hmm
[01:57] <XVampireX> try in console: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:57] <Darkkish> k guys ubuntu question
[01:57] <Darkkish> my CD drive doesn't work
[01:57] <XVampireX> It's a kubuntu channel :P
[01:57] <Darkkish> i put a CD in it recognizes it for a split second then stops recognising it
[01:57] <Darkkish> well its a general ubuntu question
[01:58] <driz> How do I stop Picasa from taking all the pictures on My computer
[01:58] <driz> I already have what i need
[01:58] <dako> I get could not lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:59] <XVampireX> dako: You're running adept at the same time
[01:59] <XVampireX> dako: close adept
[02:00] <dako> it gave me a list of 5 packages kept back
[02:00] <XVampireX> hmm
[02:00] <XVampireX> What packages?
[02:00] <XVampireX> Can you give me exactly the output?
[02:01] <dako> can I copy into here?
[02:01] <XVampireX> And do you have univese and multiverse enabled?
[02:01] <XVampireX> no, something like: http://www.pastebin.ca
[02:01] <dako> I have not changed the resource lists
[02:01] <XVampireX> (I gave you .ca because .com doesn't seem to work for me nowadays)
[02:02] <XVampireX> dako: try to enable universe and multiverse then do update
[02:02] <XVampireX> It's called dependency hell
[02:02] <dako> thought that were already enabled?
[02:02] <XVampireX> Your packages won't be installed until the neccessary dependencies will be installed first.
[02:02] <XVampireX> No, they are not enabled by default.
[02:03] <dako> if I tried to uninstall one it waould list it as a break
[02:03] <XVampireX> I know
[02:03] <XVampireX> Enable universe and multiverse, if that doesn't work then we can talk
[02:03] <dako> man I'm stpid
[02:04] <XVampireX> Anyway, give me the output of sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:04] <dako> how, new
[02:04] <XVampireX> copy paste it into www.pastebin.ca
[02:04] <XVampireX> and submit it
[02:05] <dako> ok.adept is running right now, upgrading
[02:06] <XVampireX> so it worked?
[02:06] <dako> yeah,they were greyed out
[02:06] <dako> thing is I even went back and looked at them, and didn't see it, dee dee dee!
[02:07] <XVampireX> okey
[02:07] <dako> thanks for the help
[02:07] <XVampireX> no problems
[02:07] <auctmore> compiling QIde from http://qide.free.fr fails because the QtUiTools library is missing. Does anyone know how to fix that in 6.06.1 LTS ?
[02:08] <XVampireX> By getting the QtUiTools?
[02:08] <XVampireX> It's mostly just getting the Qt stuff and then checking during ./configure if it's there
[02:09] <auctmore> I installed the library packages but the *.a versions are missing
[02:09] <XVampireX> *.a versoins?
[02:09] <XVampireX> versions^ ?
[02:10] <auctmore> I've searched the net and that's what i found
[02:10] <XVampireX> ubuntu is not the best choice for people who want an up to date system
[02:10] <XVampireX> Try and get the library that you need and compile it
[02:11] <auctmore> let me check something and i'll be back
[02:11] <XVampireX> okey
[02:13] <XVampireX> Someone take over :P
[02:16] <larson9999> does the 6.06.1 alternate install cd have a text installer?
[02:16] <auctmore> XVampireX: this QtUiTools thing is about bug #40077 in launchpad.net for the ubuntu distro. Is there a fix? I can't find it.
[02:16] <XVampireX> larson9999: alternate install cd IS the text installer.
[02:17] <XVampireX> auctmore: hmm, I'd need to check the bug
[02:17] <auctmore> please do
[02:17] <XVampireX> auctmore: Do you have the exact version that qide wants?
[02:18] <auctmore> XVampireX: no I don't
[02:18] <XVampireX> can you give me link to the bug? :)
[02:18] <clams> hey guys, quick question for you all:
[02:18] <clams> I'm working on setting up my nvidia driver
[02:18] <clams> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia is what im going off of
[02:18] <larson9999> XVampireX: ok.  that's what i want.  a related question: why don't the 'distro' guys fix the gui installers so that if the resolution is low the windows still fit on the screen?  seems all distros have this problem for the past 10 years
[02:19] <clams> and one of the steps tells me to find "linux-restricted-modules" that is appropriate for my kernl
[02:19] <clams> but I can't tell the difference between all these packages
[02:19] <auctmore> XVampireX: the bug is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/40077
[02:20] <XVampireX> larson9999: More like a KDE problem, perhaps?
[02:22] <larson9999> XVampireX: maybe.  but i've seen it in it most of the gui distro installers i've used.  maybe they're mostly kde.  even so, why hasn't kde fixed it?  oh, well.
[02:22] <XVampireX> auctmore: It looks like it's a known but and should be fixed sometime, you can TRY and compile the working version or try the debian version, but be careful with the latter. And the first one may very well work but not neccessarily.
[02:22] <XVampireX> what GUI installers do you mean exactly?
[02:23] <XVampireX> :-/
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> The knoppix installer is pretty good (or the kanotix version of it)
[02:26] <auctmore> XVampireX: I wonder how the author gets his project compiled ;-)
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> I wonder how difficult it would be to make a version of kubuntu with that installer
[02:27] <XVampireX> auctmore: It's straightforward, but you can always add your own stuff to it, hehe
[02:30] <naegling23> has anyone used the program kdenlive?
[02:30] <auctmore> XVampireX: there is more info about this at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358224 but my system doesn't have the *.install files they mention over there.
[02:31] <XVampireX> :-/
[02:31] <XVampireX> Sorry, I don't know about that one exactly.
[02:32] <auctmore> XVampireX: okay. many thanks.
[02:32] <plugs> is konversation pretty hard on resources?
[02:32] <naegling23> cause im trying to do some video editing, but I cant find a good program
[02:34] <XVampireX> plugs: it's fairly light on resources actually
[02:34] <XVampireX> naegling23: there are  more applications other than kdenlive
[02:35] <naegling23> yea, kino wont let me import anything
[02:35] <plugs> kool cause it's been running all day
[02:35] <plugs> i'm out
[02:35] <sorush20> why isn't this working
[02:35] <naegling23> avidemux just does not do what I need it to
[02:35] <sorush20> beagle-build-index --recursive --source /
[02:35] <sorush20> Error: --target must be specified
[02:35] <naegling23> and cinelerra is...well, I cant figure that thing out
[02:36] <naegling23> are there any other options?
[02:36] <XVampireX> naegling23: kino is not the only video application, either.
[02:36] <XVampireX> naegling23: there are some better ones, but they are not neccessarily using kde or qt
[02:36] <sorush20> is the beagle daemon is running is it indexing the hdd?
[02:36] <naegling23> Im used to using roxio video wave on windows, is there a good equivelent
[02:38] <XVampireX> naegling23: I don't know, but you should look around google for 'video editing linux' (without quotes)
[02:39] <XVampireX> naegling23: I just forgot the names of the supposedly good video editing applications
[02:40] <Darkkish> hey i want all my firefox extensions from windows on my linux firefox
[02:40] <Darkkish> is there anythign i can just copy and paste or do i have to reinstall and reconfig everythign by hand
[02:40] <deeo> extensions can be copied over
[02:40] <naegling23> Kino looks like it would work, but It only seems to take dv files
[02:40] <deeo> not plugins
[02:40] <Darkkish> ok
[02:41] <Darkkish> where do i find the extensions to copy over?
[02:41] <naegling23> is there anything that would convert the files to dv? That might help
[02:41] <XVampireX> Darkkish: Everything by hand
[02:41] <Darkkish> ?
[02:42] <XVampireX> There's cinelerra
[02:42] <Darkkish> where are the extensions located
[02:42] <XVampireX> naegling23: I mean, there's cinelerra
[02:43] <XVampireX> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[02:43] <naegling23> yea, I have that installed, I cant really figure the program out, everytime I try to render a file it just crashes
[02:43] <XVampireX> http://lives.sourceforge.net/
[02:44] <XVampireX> naegling23: try lives
[02:45] <_pete> hey all
[02:45] <_pete> why would 'iwconfig ra0 essid "network name"' fail on me??
[02:45] <_pete> kubuntu recognizes my card....
[02:46] <naegling23> hmm, lives looks like it could be good, now to find a deb
[02:46] <jott_> naegling23: and not to forget: http://www.jahshaka.org/
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Because the ralink drivers are not very good (current ones anyway)
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> _pete: They have their own syntax also
[02:48] <_pete> h3sp4wn: hmmm can u reccomend a resource to me
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> This is what I had in /etc/network/interfaces (for ralink with wpa and those drivers but I nolonger use it)
[02:49] <clams> hmm im having some problems with nvidia drivers
[02:49] <clams> !nvidia
[02:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:49] <XVampireX> What problems?
[02:49] <clams> well, i can't get it to work
[02:49] <clams> i folowed the steps in that link
[02:50] <XVampireX> easiest path: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:50] <clams> but i never saw an nvidia splashscreen
[02:50] <XVampireX> then
[02:50] <XVampireX> sudo editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:50] <XVampireX> then you look for "nv"
[02:50] <XVampireX> and replace with "nvidia"
[02:50] <XVampireX> then ctrl+alt+backspace and you're done :)
[02:50] <naegling23> blech, I installed lives, but it wont open
[02:50] <XVampireX> What does it say?
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> _pete: http://paste.debian.net/12391 (The interface has to be up before you can use iwconfig irc)
[02:51] <_pete> h3sp4wn: was there a link there? im on a *cough* windows *cough* box right now so i probably dont have the same features you do
[02:51] <XVampireX> naegling23: what does it say?
[02:51] <naegling23> eroor baddevice
[02:51] <_pete> ok got it lol
[02:51] <naegling23> major opcode 147
[02:51] <naegling23> minor opcode 3
[02:51] <XVampireX> that's not the problem
[02:51] <XVampireX> That's normal
[02:52] <naegling23> failed to open device
[02:52] <XVampireX> what device?
[02:52] <naegling23> I dont know, thats what I get when I type lives into konsole
[02:52] <XVampireX> You DIDN'T copy paste it, though
[02:52] <clams> hmm okay xvampirex i'll give that a shot
[02:52] <XVampireX> So you're really not giving me the information that I need
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> _pete: http://paste.debian.net/12391 (The interface has to be up before you can use iwconfig irc)
[02:53] <_pete> ty
[02:53] <naegling23> I can copy paste, but I would be a few lines of code, is that alright with everyone?
[02:54] <XVampireX> naegling23: Well, give me everything except the X op code minor lines
[02:55] <naegling23> Sorry everyone
[02:55] <naegling23> naegling23@naegling23-kubuntu:~$ lives
[02:55] <naegling23> LiVES 0.9.6
[02:55] <naegling23> Copyright 2002-2006 Gabriel Finch (salsaman@xs4all.nl) and others.
[02:55] <naegling23> LiVES comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
[02:55] <naegling23> This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
[02:55] <naegling23> under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details.
[02:55] <naegling23> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:56] <naegling23>   Major opcode:  147
[02:56] <Kr4t05> !paste
[02:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:56] <naegling23>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:56] <naegling23>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:56] <_pete> h3sp4wn: i dont even have that directory, so i am gonna create it, but i am positive i am missing something
[02:56] <naegling23> Failed to open device
[02:56] <naegling23> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:56] <naegling23>   Major opcode:  147
[02:56] <naegling23>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:56] <naegling23>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:56] <naegling23> Failed to open device
[02:56] <Kr4t05> !paste > naegling23
[02:56] <naegling23> Im sorry
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> _pete: its a file /etc/network/interfaces
[02:56] <XVampireX> Hmm
[02:56] <naegling23> I warned everyone, Im still a noob, you could have told me when I said I was pasting some lines
[02:57] <Darkkish> holy crap
[02:57] <naegling23> thanks for the info Ill remember for next time
[02:57] <Kr4t05> naegling23: You never said that you were going to paste anything...
[02:57] <Darkkish> where the heck are firefox extensions stored?
[02:57] <_pete> h3sp4wn: /etc/network doesnt exist :(
[02:57] <_pete> hmm should i log in as root?
[02:57] <Kr4t05> [20:55]  <naegling23> Sorry everyone <- That doesn't indicate what you're going to do.
[02:58] <_pete> i got it now nm
[02:58] <clams> xvampirex: you told me to sudo editor that .conf file, is there any way i can edit that file without using the konsole as a file editor?
[02:58] <XVampireX> naegling23: It doesn't say much, check in their website if it has any dependencies
[02:58] <XVampireX> clams: replace editor with kae
[02:58] <XVampireX> kate^
[02:58] <brandon__> can I install msn on linux?
[02:58] <naegling23> I installed through synaptic, so It should have taken care of that, but I'll check
[02:59] <clams> ....xvampirex: is it normal fori t to give me a bunch of errors in the console after opening the .conf file?
[02:59] <Darkkish> what is that thing that helps you find where stuff is installed?
[02:59] <ashe> brandon_, you shouldnt need to. There are better programs that do the same job
[02:59] <XVampireX> clams: Yeah
[02:59] <brandon__> for like msn messanger?
[02:59] <clams> okay cool/
[02:59] <brandon__> what program should i use?
[03:00] <ashe> yes. You're using kubuntu, right?
[03:00] <XVampireX> clams: if it opens up the program then it's ok
[03:00] <Kr4t05> Man...
[03:00] <brandon__> yes
[03:00] <ashe> Kopete
[03:00] <brandon__> ok
[03:00] <clams> okay it did, so :)
[03:00] <brandon__> ummm... I'm new to linux
[03:00] <Kr4t05> Is anyone else using edgy? #ubuntu+1 is dead ATM, and I can't get this on my own.
[03:00] <zblach> hey, does gnump3d support vbr?
[03:00] <ashe> when you first start it, it'll give you options, to go with whatever network. You can select msn there
[03:00] <Kr4t05> zblach: It should, afaik
[03:00] <brandon__> =O
[03:01] <brandon__> omg linux rocks
[03:01] <ashe> Yes, yes it does
[03:01] <brandon__> >.<
[03:01] <brandon__> lol
[03:02] <clams> dear xvampirex: You rock.
[03:02] <clams> it worked like a charm ^_~
[03:02] <brandon__> what does it mean by a wallet?
[03:02] <XVampireX> Cool :)
[03:02] <XVampireX> brandon__: kwallet is a kde tool
[03:02] <brandon__> and that is?
[03:03] <XVampireX> it keeps all your passwords in it
[03:03] <brandon__> I just learned linux like 2 days ago
[03:03] <brandon__> :O
[03:03] <XVampireX> and then locks it in one password
[03:03] <brandon__> awesome
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> brandon__, are you really new to linux?
[03:03] <brandon__> yes i am
[03:03] <brandon__> so I make a password and it locks it into my login pass?
[03:03] <brandon__> or what?
[03:04] <naegling23> xvampirex I seem to have everything I need....odd
[03:04] <XVampireX> hmm
[03:04] <clams> what do you do if you lose the password to your kwallet?
[03:05] <XVampireX> I don't know :P
[03:05] <Hawkwind> clams: You could probably delete the config file and reset it.  But that will possibly lose everything you have stored in it
[03:06] <clams> i might do that, i only have one password saved in it so far
[03:06] <clams> do you know the filepath?
[03:06] <Hawkwind> clams: I'd look around in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet or ~/.kde/share/config  or similar
[03:07] <naegling23> Im gonna jump over to a lives irc chat to see if they can help, thanks
[03:07] <clams> okay thanks hawkwind
[03:07] <Hawkwind> clams: No problem
[03:07] <XVampireX> naegling23: I'll look around
[03:08] <Darkkish> is there flash player for linux
[03:09] <XVampireX> naegling23: found it
[03:09] <XVampireX> Darkkish: Yes, but it's old
[03:09] <Darkkish> >.<
[03:09] <XVampireX> naegling23: http://www.xs4all.nl/~salsaman/lives/docs/hangfix.txt
[03:09] <Darkkish> k booting to windows then
[03:09] <XVampireX> Darkkish: 7.0
[03:09] <Darkkish> talk to you all later
[03:09] <Darkkish> oh
[03:09] <XVampireX> Okey
[03:09] <Darkkish> thats new enough
[03:09] <Darkkish> lol
[03:09] <XVampireX> But there are some problems with it
[03:09] <phred_> how do I change permission for a folder that is currently root/root?
[03:10] <Darkkish> LOL alright changed my mind
[03:10] <Darkkish> don't want to f*ck with installing it
[03:10] <Darkkish> see you all later
[03:10] <XVampireX> Darkkish: Problems like that it's using OSS for sound and OSS doesn't do software mixing, so you can't run 2 different applications that use sound at the same time.
[03:10] <phred_> I want to write to a windows partition on a different disk but on the same machine.
[03:10] <XVampireX> Darkkish: And another one is there are A/V synch problems
[03:10] <Darkkish> wow
[03:11] <Darkkish> useless >.<
[03:11] <Darkkish> why the hell is there no good Flash for Linux?
[03:11] <XVampireX> Darkkish: You can fix the first one though
[03:11] <Darkkish> meh
[03:11] <Darkkish> too lazy for right now
[03:11] <Darkkish> lo
[03:11] <XVampireX> Darkkish: Gotta be running your browser through alsa-oss (that's the package name)
[03:11] <Darkkish> tomarrow i will
[03:11] <Darkkish> k
[03:11] <XVampireX> Okey
[03:11] <Darkkish> see ya guys
[03:12] <XVampireX> phred_: you want to write to what windows partition?
[03:12] <crimsun> you can also install libesd0-alsa and 6.10's flashplugin-nonfree package.
[03:12] <XVampireX> Or wait for 9.0 :)
[03:13] <phred_> have a dual disk, dual boot machine. already mounted a partition from the windows side as data1 under /home/phred  but it is root/root and wont let me write to it
[03:14] <_pete> h3sp4wn: i added the line 'auto ra0' above what you pasted, is that correct?
[03:14] <XVampireX> to run as root you need sudo or su
[03:14] <XVampireX> if it's an NTFS partition, then it won't let you write to it.
[03:14] <naegling23> well, xvampirex I tried your fix, now I get a little more info
[03:14] <prueba> alguien habla espaol??????''
[03:14] <XVampireX> naegling23: Yeah?
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Did I not have auto ra0 there ?
[03:14] <XVampireX> naegling23: What does it do now? :P
[03:14] <phred_> vfat partition, my user can sudo
[03:14] <_pete> no, weird huh?
[03:14] <naegling23> exec of JACK server failed: No such file or directory
[03:15] <XVampireX> naegling23: you need jack server stuff :)
[03:15] <XVampireX> !jackit
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jackit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <XVampireX> !jack
[03:15] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1-14 (dapper), package size 121 kB, installed size 572 kB
[03:15] <XVampireX> meh
[03:15] <naegling23> what the heck is jack server stuff
[03:15] <XVampireX> useless bot
[03:15] <XVampireX> It's a sound server
[03:15] <_pete> h3sp4wn: right.
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> _pete: It should have done I missed it off
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> _pete: sudo ifup ra0 should bring up the interface
[03:16] <XVampireX> http://jackaudio.org/
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: Are you knowledgably about the use of jackd ?
[03:16] <naegling23> ok, so I dont have jack installed
[03:16] <naegling23> Ive never heard of jack before
[03:16] <XVampireX> h3sp4wn: nope :D
[03:16] <XVampireX> I did but I never used it
[03:16] <prueba> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL POR AQUI???
[03:16] <Telroth> wait, what's using jack?
[03:16] <XVampireX> It's mostly used for advanced stuff like that
[03:16] <XVampireX> !es
[03:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:17] <Telroth> and why isn't alsa being used?
[03:17] <naegling23> so installing the jack package should be what I need then?
[03:17] <_pete> h2sp4wn: i ran ifup like u said, and it tells me it's ignoring unknown interface, so im gonna edit the file now, then what
[03:17] <XVampireX> Telroth: LiVeS
[03:17] <Telroth> ?
[03:17] <XVampireX> naegling23: installing the package and starting the server
[03:17] <dan__> hey is there any way or need to defrag my system?
[03:17] <Telroth> dan_ what's the fstype?
[03:17] <naegling23> you mean restart right?
[03:18] <naegling23> sorry <----noob
[03:18] <dan__> uhhhh ext3
[03:18] <XVampireX> naegling23: No, I mean start the server
[03:18] <Telroth> dan__, probably not
[03:19] <XVampireX> In linux the only restarts you ever have to do are either related to input/output stuff (X server) or for kernel upgrade
[03:19] <dan__> i'm just concerned cause i just ran a filesystem check and it sad 21% contiguous files
[03:19] <XVampireX> dan__: No
[03:19] <Telroth> dan__, i haven't really had a problem with fragmentation
[03:20] <Telroth> i think ext3 defrags a bit at a time as it's needed
[03:20] <dan__> thats what i thought, well thanx
[03:20] <naegling23> so how would I start the server then
[03:20] <XVampireX> naegling23: you'd need to read around
[03:20] <XVampireX> There's a GUI for it but I don't know the command... err forgot it
[03:22] <_pete> h3sp4wn: i succesfully edited the file, im gonna restart, and now iwconfig should work, right??
[03:23] <XVampireX> naegling23: http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/
[03:26] <naegling23> alright, so Ive installed jack and qjackctl
[03:27] <naegling23> crap, wont start, of cource....at least it says its sorry
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> _pete: I would expect that if you setup that file it would just work
[03:29] <naegling23> I think im in over my head here
[03:29] <_pete> that means i have a big problem... hmmm off to google
[03:33] <XVampireX> naegling23: what won't start?
[03:33] <XVampireX> did you start jack server?
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> pete: I would try using the open source ralink drivers ( I have messed with rt2x00 recently and its pretty good and works in a standard way (iwconfig is normal)
[03:35] <naegling23> I cant get the jack server to start
[03:35] <naegling23> im gonna start looking for a different program, I dont like to give up, but im way off in left field with these programs
[03:37] <naegling23> Im thinking kino will work so long as I can figure out how to convert my mpg files and such to dv
[03:38] <driz> Are alienware computers compatible with linux?
[03:38] <driz> !offtopic
[03:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> driz: They use nvidia video cards I think - I don't see why they wouldn't be compatible
[03:40] <driz> h3sp4wn: ok then thanks
[03:41] <XVampireX> driz: compatible, but that doesn't mean they are designed for linux
[03:41] <driz> i want one
[03:41] <driz> ya i know
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> driz: They are pretty expensive
[03:41] <XVampireX> Yeah
[03:41] <XVampireX> Just build your own
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> I would rather have a sun opteron workstation for that sort of price
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> (built like a tank as well)
[03:42] <driz> h3sp4wn: i'm not paying
[03:42] <naegling23> is kino supposed to be able to handle avi videos?
[03:42] <driz> :-D
[03:42] <XVampireX> naegling23: ask them
[03:43] <[skavenge] > Im having a strange problem, I normally burn dvd-r's fine in k3b with no problem, ive gotten some dvd +r's now and my burner does support both, yet k3b will not burn the dvd+r's, I get an input/output error, seen here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22785 am I missing something?
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> driz: The Sun would probably be as / more powerful as well (nvidia quadro instead of the consumer stuff and upto 8 cores)
[03:48] <_pete> how do i find out my kernel version??
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> _pete: uname -a
[03:49] <driz> h3sp4wn: you lost me there... what do you mean?
[03:49] <putaindebordel> uname -a from console
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> driz: If you want to buy a fast powerful machine buy a sun - instead of an alienware
[03:51] <_pete> ^word^
[03:51] <driz> oh ok
[03:52] <fatejudger> does anyone know of a program that easily syncs data between a computer and a flash drive on mount?
[03:53] <fatejudger> most importantly critical folders which store documents and the like
[04:03] <apakatt> Is there any way to get Konqueror to stop opening all files when im browsing in kate? Like when I try to download a movie or a .deb and clicks the link it opens the file i kate as a textfile? (cant use save-as)
[04:03] <amadeus> i'm trying to install the latest version of amaroK
[04:03] <amadeus> and everytime it downloads the update, it won't install it
[04:03] <abattoir> apakatt: is that from kde-look.org ?
[04:03] <apakatt> abattoir: its from everywhere
[04:03] <amadeus> !amarok
[04:03] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[04:04] <abattoir> amadeus: you mean its downloaded to your harddisk, and not being installed ?
[04:04] <abattoir> apakatt: could you try rt. clicking on the link and 'Save link as' ?
[04:04] <amadeus> yes, the update is being downloaded by adept but each time after the download, it won't install the update
[04:04] <abattoir> apakatt: sometimes it could be an issue w/ the server
[04:04] <amadeus> under request, it says "no change"
[04:04] <abattoir> amadeus: could you try it in a terminal(konsole) ?
[04:05] <Jucato> amadeus: did you click on "Full Upgrade" after "Fetch Updates" finished
[04:05] <abattoir> amadeus: that should give you a bit more info...
[04:05] <abattoir> ok, Jucato'll take care...
[04:05] <amadeus> what do i type in the terminal?
[04:05] <abattoir> amadeus: 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:06] <abattoir> amadeus: and 'sudo apt-get install amarok'
[04:06] <abattoir> amadeus: this is ofcourse if you have modified your sources.list file to include the latest amarok repository
[04:06] <Jucato> (btw, Amarok 1.4.2 is available in dapper-backports. Amarok 1.4.3 is also now available, too. But you need to enabled dapper-backports anyway)
[04:06] <apakatt> abattoir: I see, that sucks. there is no way to solve it then?
[04:06] <amadeus> yes, i have done that
[04:07] <amadeus> sudo apt-get install amarok didn't work
[04:07] <amadeus> and there were no changes after sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <abattoir> apakatt: which site? because the only one that i've noticed is kde-look/kde-apps.org... it could be a server side problem... its under investigation though
[04:07] <mike> hey need soem help with kde i am a gnome user
[04:07] <abattoir> amadeus: what error(if any) did you get?
[04:07] <apakatt> abattoir: gamespot
[04:07] <abattoir> mike: what do you need ?
[04:08] <mike> any help with a new kde user
[04:08] <mike> abattoir:  hey
[04:08] <abattoir> mike: hi :)
[04:08] <Jucato> ask away
[04:08] <mike> abattoir:  i just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu so kde is a bit confusing to me
[04:08] <mike> abattoir:  i am tryign to compile kxdocker
[04:08] <amadeus> abattoir: it says that some packages could not be installed
[04:08] <mike> abattoir:  after i try a ./configure i get an error
[04:09] <abattoir> mike: could you please pastebin that?
[04:09] <amadeus> and that this may mean that you have requested an impossible situation
[04:09] <abattoir> mike: or if its a one-liner, paste it here
[04:09] <mike> abattoir:  its a one liner
[04:09] <mike> abattoir:  checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:10] <Jucato> mike: is the version of kxdocker in the repositories outdated?
[04:10] <mike> abattoir:  any ideas?
[04:10] <abattoir> mike: 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev'
[04:10] <abattoir> !info kxdocker
[04:10] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[04:10] <mike> Jucato:  i didnt know it was in the repositories
[04:10] <abattoir> Jucato: yes...
[04:10] <Jucato> ah I see...
[04:10] <mike> abattoir:  any ideas on what i shoudl do?
[04:10] <Jucato> !info kxdocker edgy
[04:10] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[04:10] <abattoir> mike: i told you
 mike: 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev'
[04:11] <mike> abattoir:  sorry missed the message
[04:11] <abattoir> mike: after that, you'd be prompted for Qt headers and kde-headers
[04:11] <abattoir> mike: after that get libqt3-mt-dev
[04:12] <abattoir> mike: and 'kde-devel'
[04:12] <mike> abattoir:  k but what is the qt headers thing?
[04:12] <abattoir> mike: tbh, compiling kxdocker fully is a pain
[04:12] <abattoir> mike: you need to compile each plugin separately
[04:13] <mike> abattoir:  can u help me with it please?
[04:13] <abattoir> mike: since you are compiling these packages by hand, you need the 'header files' of X, Qt( the widget library that KDE uses) and KDE
[04:13] <abattoir> *wrote
[04:14] <mike> abattoir:  it couldnt fin kde-devel
[04:14] <mike> find*
[04:14] <abattoir> !info kde-devel
[04:14] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:15] <abattoir> mike: do you have universe enabled?
[04:15] <mike> abattoir:  not sure how to un kde version
[04:15] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind :)
[04:15] <abattoir> mike:  ??
[04:16] <mike> abattoir:  yes?
[04:16] <Hawkwind> Hey there abattoir
[04:16] <abattoir> mike:  ok, first install the xserver-xorg-dev package... then continue compiling
[04:16] <abattoir> mike: come back when you get those errors :P
[04:16] <mike> abattoir:  i installed everythign but kde-devil
[04:16] <abattoir> mike: its 'devel' not devil :P
[04:17] <Jucato> hi Hawkwind
[04:17] <mike> abattoir: sorry about that
[04:17] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hey there
[04:17] <mike> abattoir:  when i configure i got thsi now:
[04:17] <mike> abattoir:
[04:17] <mike> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[04:17] <mike> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[04:17] <mike> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[04:18] <mike> abattoir:  u get that?
[04:18] <abattoir> mike: yes, please install kde-devel
[04:18] <mike> abattoir:  i need help with univers i ony know how to do it on gnome ubuntu
[04:19] <abattoir> !repos
[04:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:19] <abattoir> mike: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:20] <driz> dudes Later school starts tomorrow and I am a senior now!
[04:20] <abattoir> mike: i have to go now... Jucato and others would be glad to help
[04:20] <abattoir> bye
[04:20] <Jucato> ack
[04:21] <mike> abattoir:  i am in "manage repositoreis" but am having trouble enabling universe
[04:22] <Jucato> mike: what kind of trouble? look for the line that has something similar to "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe"
[04:22] <Jucato> right-click on it, then select Enable
[04:22] <mike> abattoir:  ye sand i right clic kit and click "enable"
[04:23] <mike> Jucato: it says somethign liek uncomment followign to lines for universe
[04:23] <mike> Jucato: so i "enable both then what? they are still grayed out
[04:23] <Jucato> mike: ignore those, those are just comments (you'll notice the word "comment" at the side)
[04:23] <mike> Jucato:  so what am i lookign for?
[04:23] <Jucato> the line that I gave you
[04:24] <Jucato> "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe"
[04:24] <mike> Jucato:  found it
[04:24] <mike> abattoir:  found it
[04:24] <Hawkwind> mike: Have you read this at all: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:24] <Hawkwind> mike: No need to highlight abattoir's nick anymore, he's gone
[04:27] <mike> Hawkwind:  i enable them but i cant click apply, its grayed out
[04:27] <Jucato> mike: the Apply button at the bottom?
[04:28] <mike> Jucato:  didnt see that one i saw the one up top, thansk
[04:32] <mike> Jucato: in a bit can u help me get flash working?
[04:33] <Hawkwind> !flash > mike
[04:33] <Hawkwind> Read what the bot sent you in pm
[04:33] <Jucato> :)
[04:33] <mike> Hawkwind:  thanks
[04:33] <_pete> !flash > _pete
[04:35] <mike> Hawkwind:  i am compiling kxdocker and got to the make install and now i am hitting problems
[04:35] <mike> Hawkwind:  can i send u a paste bin
[04:35] <Hawkwind> mike: Just pastebin it and give the channel the URL
[04:35] <Jucato> gah Hawkwind types fast....
[04:36] <mike> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ca/163040
[04:36] <[-KaSatKa-] > pastebin
[04:37] <Jucato> !pastebin > [-KaSatKa-] 
[04:37] <[-KaSatKa-] > !pastebin
[04:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:37] <[-KaSatKa-] > THere we go
[04:37] <Hawkwind> Wow!  65MB of updates on the vmware install of Edgy.  Lovely
[04:37] <mike> Hawkwind:  see anything
[04:37] <Jucato> heh
[04:37] <mike> Jucato: can u look at that pastebin for me too
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah, all of KDE is getting updated
[04:38] <Jucato> looking :)
[04:38] <Jucato> heh yeah
[04:38] <Jucato> Hawkwind: that's what you get if you don't update regularly :)
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I updated it yesterday
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:39] <Hawkwind> I'm curious if Gnome 2.16 will make it into Edgy or not
[04:39] <Jucato> err..
[04:39] <mike> Hawkwind:  any idea with that pastebinn
[04:39] <Jucato> Hawkwind: Ubuntu's development cycle is meant to sync with GNOME's
[04:40] <Jucato> of course they're going to have 2.16
[04:40] <Hawkwind> mike: Nope.  If I did I would have answered you :P
[04:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah that's right.  I always forget that
[04:40] <Jucato> mike: still Google-ing
[04:40] <Jucato> like what my LoCo team lead said: Ubuntu syncs w/ GNOME's stable dev cycle, unlike ....  heh
[04:40] <mike> Jucato:  thnask please i really want to get kxdocker to work
[04:41] <Jucato> mike: hm... is there any reason that the version of kxdocker in the repositories (although it's a bit older) doesn't work for you?
[04:41] <Hawkwind> mike: Is stdc++ installed ?
[04:42] <Jucato> mike: did you do "make" before "make install" btw?
[04:42] <Jucato> (just checking)
[04:42] <mike> Jucato:  yes
[04:42] <mike> lol
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Do you have libkdecore4-devel installed ?
[04:43] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I'm on Edgy...
[04:43] <Jucato> or was that meant for mike?
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Sorry, that was for mike
[04:43] <Hawkwind> mike: Do you have libkdecore4-devel installed ?
[04:43] <Jucato> heh.... I guess it's almost bedtime for you eh, Hawkwind?
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Nah, it's only 9:45pm here
[04:43] <Jucato> heh so I've noticed :)
[04:44] <Hawkwind> Go to bed around 3am and back up at 7am
[04:44] <Hawkwind> That's why I'm so tired in the mornings :P
[04:44] <mike> Hawkwind:  its say it couldnt find libkdecore4-devel
[04:44] <mike> when i did an apt-get install
[04:44] <Hawkwind> mike: Then you need to enable some repos first and foremost
[04:44] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you sure about the package name?
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !info libkdecore4-dev
[04:45] <ubotu> Package libkdecore4-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[04:45] <intelikey> did i mention that there is a bug in kde that no one on the kubuntu team is interested in ?    and folks on the kde team are very little more concerned with, if any.   did i mention that already ?
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !find libkdecore
[04:45] <mike> lol
[04:45] <ubotu> Package/file libkdecore does not exist in dapper
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !find kdecore4
[04:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: package description please?
[04:45] <ubotu> Package/file kdecore4 does not exist in dapper
[04:45] <Hawkwind> Hmmm
[04:45] <mike> Hawkwind: i did install kde-devel
[04:45] <Jucato> intelikey: what bug would that be?
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !find kdecore
[04:45] <ubotu> Package/file kdecore does not exist in dapper
[04:46] <Hawkwind> mike: What about stdc++ ?
[04:46] <intelikey> Jucato well "if you start kde as root..."  and that is where they quit listening.
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Why would you start KDE as root in the first place ?
[04:46] <mike> Hawkwind:  it couldnt find that wither
[04:46] <mike> either*
[04:46] <Hawkwind> mike: Then I'm out of ideas
[04:46] <intelikey> Jucato actually kde seems for all the world is hard coded to use /root as root's home dir.
[04:47] <Hawkwind> mike: Why not use kxdocker from the repos
[04:47] <Jucato> mike: did you install build-essential already?
[04:47] <mike> Jucato:  yes
[04:47] <intelikey> Jucato and note Hawkwind as an example  :)
[04:47] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Huh ?
[04:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind because i wanted to use gui tools to configure something
[04:48] <Jucato> mike: try installing libstdc++6
[04:48] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: If you have the NX bit set there is no real reason not to use root all the time (if you just don't break stuff)
[04:48] <Jucato> intelikey: the GUI tools couldn't be launched by kdesu?
[04:48] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Surely you could do that as a normal user and use sudo instead of starting X as root user which is something you should never do
[04:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind and the system is "nosuid"  so starting kde as root would be the only way to acheve that.
[04:48] <h3sp4wn> X runs as root anyway
[04:49] <Hawkwind> intelikey: And you set it up that way why ?
[04:49] <h3sp4wn> root      4482  3.6  3.8  44592 39648 tty7     S<s+ Sep06  25:22 X :0
[04:49] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: But KDE doesn't
[04:49] <Jucato> maybe it's not a KDE bug. but rather an Ubuntu bug/feature/whatever?
[04:50] <intelikey> Jucato well it's kde specific.  and not in /usr/bin/startkde nor anywhere in /etc  so i think it's hard coded
[04:52] <pushpop-> Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 337492 .... during install what would cause this..
[04:52] <intelikey> Jucato it even resets the  ~  and  $HOME   verables so that konsole/*term think root's home is /root even though console and all the other gui's know it's not.
[04:54] <Jucato> mike: this might work, install "libxtst6"
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> That is probably to stop people using su (instead of su -)
[04:54] <mike> Jucato:  i installed it from the repo
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> and making files in there home dir owned by root
[04:54] <Jucato> mike: heh :)
[04:54] <mike> Jucato:  but i dont know how to add launchers and such
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: That is the only reason I can think for it
[04:54] <Jucato> mike: err... neither do I..
[04:55] <mike> Jucato:  i am draggin stuff to it but they dotn go into it
[04:55] <intelikey> h3sp4wn but it really should use the real path not a hard coded one    even if that is the reason.
[04:55] <Jucato> mike: sorry, I don't have any experience with kxdocker...
[04:57] <intelikey> it wouldn't be that hard to check the home dir for root...   `grep -m1 root /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f6 `
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: It wouldn't no submit a patch (Loads of code to look thru though)
[05:01] <intelikey> h3sp4wn even if i did, why would they bother with it?   i'm the only one in the whole linux world that would ever start kde as root; and alos the only one in the universe that ever changed the home dir for root.    add the two togather and they say "mmmeh, who cares.  next"   ;/
[05:02] <intelikey> linux is getting more like M$ all the time and i don't like it.
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I have started kde as root before - and I have /root symlinked to /home/root (I like / to be as small as possible)
[05:04] <claydoh> mmmmkay
[05:04] <Jucato> hi claydoh! :)
[05:04] <claydoh> :P
[05:04] <Healot> which distro, ehem?
[05:04] <Jucato> claydoh: DSL now?
[05:04] <claydoh> ya
[05:04] <Jucato> nice!
[05:06] <Jucato> claydoh: any word from Open Source?
[05:06] <claydoh> about....?
[05:06] <Jucato> forum updates...
[05:08] <claydoh> well with the whole internet, forums website maint, usenet irc and IM there is :)
[05:08] <Jucato> aaah
[05:09] <Jucato> but now you don't have to worry about disconnections, so take your time :)
[05:09] <Ubuntu-Pete> intelikey Linux will NEVER be like M$!... There is ALWAYS a choice in Linux.  ie: KDE, GNOME, XFCE, FLUXBOX, DEBIAN, SUSE, whatever you want... not what M$ wants you to have
[05:09] <claydoh> heh
[05:13] <joker> do some 1 run steam
[05:13] <joker> win i try 2 run steam it tell me stean.exe (main x\excption) win32 structred exception @ 7da2b127 attempt to read from virtual address 0 without appropriate acces rights
[05:14] <claydoh> do you have the newest wine version?
[05:14] <claydoh> steam is pretty finicky in wine
[05:15] <claydoh> which he is reinstalling atm
[05:16] <Jucato> lol
[05:16] <Jucato> cedega cvs?
[05:16] <claydoh> nope, paid
[05:16] <Jucato> oooh
[05:16] <Jucato> nice
[05:16] <claydoh> tho steam for me *almost* ran OK a few wine versions back for me
[05:16] <joker> yes
[05:17] <flaccid_> any way to specify password with kdesu on command line
[05:17] <joker> i have the new wine
[05:17] <Jucato> flaccid_: what do you mean?
[05:18] <flaccid_> Jucato: instead of being prompted for password, provide it with the command
[05:18] <claydoh> well other than reading wine's app database section about steam, I don't have any other things for you to try
[05:18] <Jucato> flaccid_: I don't think so
[05:18] <claydoh> kinda defeats the purpose
[05:18] <Jucato> that would be a very insecure thing to do
[05:19] <claydoh> well they did remove the "remeber password" check on the dialog for kdesu
[05:19] <Hawkwind> flaccid_: man sudo and look at -p
[05:19] <flaccid_> dang
[05:19] <flaccid_> for some reason can't run opera from command line with a dif user by other means...
[05:20] <claydoh> it would remember the password similar to how it works in konsole
[05:20] <Jucato> Hawkwind: would that work?
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I dunno, try it
[05:21] <Jucato> lol
[05:21] <Jucato> no thanks :)
[05:21] <claydoh> you can specify the user in the menu entry/desktop icon
[05:21] <Jucato> "The -p (prompt) option allows you to override the default password prompt and use a custom one."
[05:21] <Jucato> it just overrides the prompt, not the password
[05:22] <joker> what win32 4
[05:22] <joker> i'm sorry i'm new
[05:25] <flaccid_> Hawkwind: -p changes the prompt with sudo. how can i specify the actual password?
[05:25] <Jucato> flaccid_: afaik, you can't.
[05:26] <flaccid_> so su is the only means of specify passwd ?
[05:27] <flaccid_> or maybe not
[05:27] <brandon__> ahh
[05:27] <brandon__> I got a question
[05:27] <flaccid_> is it possible at all lol
[05:27] <brandon__> how can I transfer my backup files from my windows drive to my linux drive?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Samba
[05:27] <brandon__> ahh thank you, but can i fdo it over my router?
[05:28] <Jucato> flaccid_: AFAIK, you can't run an app as a different user other than root. at least not in Ubuntu...
[05:28] <brandon__> or do I have to have the hings connected?
[05:28] <Hawkwind> brandon__: The computers have to be connected so they see each other
[05:28] <flaccid_> thats true Jucato
[05:28] <flaccid_> does su -c even exist in ubuntu?
[05:28] <brandon__> how can i connect them?
[05:29] <Jucato> flaccid_: you can login as a different user in the command line, but that's all you can do, again AFAIK
[05:29] <Jucato> flaccid_: you can also just try to start a new session with that other user, and launch Opera there...
[05:30] <flaccid_> thanks Jucato
[05:30] <flaccid_> this is for a dude that for some reason wanted to do this
[05:30] <Jucato> ??
[05:30] <flaccid_> heh he wasn't happy with kdesu
[05:31] <flaccid_> wanted to get rid of the prompt
[05:31] <brandon__> how do I open samba again?
[05:31] <brandon__> I'm new to linux
[05:31] <flaccid_> its better for security to be prompted
[05:31] <Jucato> er... that jusn't is the way Linux works...
[05:31] <flaccid_> yeah thats what i told him Jucato
[05:31] <flaccid_> he wanted to test server side events or something
[05:31] <MrGideon> depends how obtrusive it is to be honest.
[05:32] <Jucato> it's sudo... it needs to be obtrusive... otherwise, it loses it purpose, and we'd be better of with su then
[05:33] <brandon__> I'm lost >.<
[05:33] <MrGideon> there's such a thing as too obtrusive
[05:33] <MrGideon> (see windows vista UAC from the early testing betas)
[05:33] <Jucato> well, it's definitely NOT like that
[05:33] <brandon__> who are you talking to?
[05:33] <MrGideon> of course that had the problem that it broke your system every time it appeared
[05:34] <Jucato> in fact, sudo won't even ask for your password again for a few minutes
[05:34] <brandon__> where do I open samba?
[05:35] <MrGideon> I know. Whhen I first moved over to kubuntu I was very cautious of sudo as opposed to having my old full su/root control. I've grown to liek it though
[05:35] <brandon__> on my other ocmputer?
[05:36] <brandon__> how can i let it enabled in the network to share files?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> Cautious of a 'safer' way. :P
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> !samba
[05:36] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:36] <_pete> can somebody please walk me through upgrading my kernel??
[05:36] <_pete> i have 2.6.15
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install samba, then edit the samba config as ya like.
[05:36] <_pete> but i need 2.6.17
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> !kernel
[05:36] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:36] <brandon__> are you talking to me?
[05:37] <flaccid_> or if using kde, configure samba in kcontrol
[05:37] <Jucato> _pete: well, you won't be able to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.17 without compiling it... because Dapper only uses 2.6.15
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> kcontrol's samba dident seem to work for me right
[05:37] <brandon__> I am reall confused
[05:37] <Jucato> brandon__: the samba link was for you
[05:37] <Jucato> !samba > brandon__
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> brandon_,  sudo apt-get install samba   to install the core samba stuff..
[05:37] <phil_>  _pete why do you need 2.6.17
[05:38] <Jucato> some hardware I think only works with that kernel version?
[05:38] <Hawkwind> _pete: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=611.0
[05:38] <Jucato> oh there, Hawkwind's guide :)
[05:38] <Hawkwind> _pete: That is a very quick and easy way to build yourself a 2.6.17 kernel
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Linux Britannia 2.6.17.11 #1 SMP Thu Aug 24 21:42:52 CDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:38] <Hawkwind> :P
[05:38] <_pete> phil: latest rt2x00 drivers require it
[05:38] <_pete> Hawkwind: ty
[05:39] <Eeyore_Jr> does the live cd boot from a stick ?
[05:40] <brandon__> now do i sudo samba in the terminal?
[05:40] <Hawkwind> Eeyore_Jr: Like one that you find in the woods ?
[05:40] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:40] <Hawkwind> brandon__: samba.org has great docs
[05:40] <brandon__> I'm not sure what this all means
[05:40] <brandon__> I'm new to linux
[05:40] <brandon__> sorry guys
[05:40] <brandon__> I'm clueless
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> theres the 'using samba book' thats avilable online...
[05:41] <brandon__> or can't i just install the stuff and connect the computers through a network?
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> the short version,,,  install samba,  do 'sudo smbpasswd -a YOURLINUXUSERNAME '  then see if the xp box can see the shares
[05:41] <brandon__> and transfer?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> theres a dozen ways to transfer files.
[05:42] <Ubuntu-Pete> sudo = super user do (allows you to run a single command as a super user/admin)
[05:42] <brandon__> I'll try it
[05:42] <brandon__> would be easier if someone did this crap for me
[05:42] <jbrouhard> Not really
[05:42] <brandon__> lol
[05:42] <jbrouhard> iF you don't do it yourself at least once
[05:42] <brandon__> why not?
[05:42] <jbrouhard> you learn nothing :)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> its rather straight forward
[05:42] <brandon__> true
[05:43] <brandon__> but, I'm from mich and I'm lazy
[05:43] <Hawkwind> Then linux probably isn't for you
[05:43] <Ubuntu-Pete> when you open a terminal and type "sudo samba" it will ask for the root password, then when the correct password is entered it will run samba
[05:43] <brandon__> lol
[05:43] <jbrouhard> I'm from MO and I'm lazy too, but I do everything myself :)
[05:43] <Ubuntu-Pete> i'm fun mich too
[05:43] <brandon__> I just starts a cisco class at my tech center
[05:43] <brandon__> I'm learning its my second day
[05:43] <Ubuntu-Pete> im from mich too
[05:43] <brandon__> cool
[05:43] <brandon__> what part?
[05:43] <Ubuntu-Pete> canton
[05:43] <brandon__> dunno where that is
[05:43] <brandon__> Homer?
[05:44] <Ubuntu-Pete> near "Ann Arbor"
[05:44] <brandon__> :O
[05:44] <brandon__> lol
[05:44] <brandon__> sorta close
[05:44] <phI||Ip> Im pretty new to Linux, never had much luck with Linux, but its running on my new laptop like a charm, Im loving it, great job to all those who are involved =)
[05:44] <brandon__> but i'm in homer
[05:45] <Ubuntu-Pete> linux is not hard, it is actually easy, but the tough part is getting out of the microsoft paradigmn (sp)
[05:45] <phI||Ip> yeah, Im a .NET developer by day
[05:45] <phI||Ip> to be honest with you, Im sick of it.  I mean, Im not the smartest guy around, but I feel bored and constrained...
[05:46] <phI||Ip> so this is my shot at trying to discover something fun and interesting about computing again =P
[05:46] <brandon__> I still can't find any workgroups on my network
[05:46] <brandon__> how can i get them to show up
[05:46] <brandon__> like my other comp
[05:47] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, you get to control your own computer again
[05:47] <Ubuntu-Pete> did you try konqueror? and type in the address bar remote:/
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> if you installed samba, you may need to restart the samba service
[05:48] <phI||Ip> yeah I'm excited, I'll hang out here whenever I'm on so I can soak in any advice you give others.  Thanks again.
[05:48] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[05:48] <brandon__> ok
[05:49] <brandon__> kubuntu
[05:49] <phI||Ip> I have no idea, I thought it was Ubuntu, but it says Kubuntu on the startup/shutdown
[05:49] <phI||Ip> I grabbed a Linux Format so I wouldnt have to download the DVD
[05:49] <phI||Ip> so I installed right off of it
[05:49] <brandon__> adress bar remote
[05:49] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, youre using Kubuntu
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> if you install kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu system - it will show kubuntu on the screens
[05:49] <phI||Ip> Im using Gnome, so I dunno?
[05:49] <RawSewage> ??
[05:49] <brandon__> what is the address bar remote?
[05:49] <phI||Ip> I assumed they weren't that different?
[05:49] <RawSewage> Youre using Konversation
[05:50] <phI||Ip> yeah at the moment
[05:50] <RawSewage> thats on Kubuntu
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> phI||Ip,  they arenot that different.
[05:50] <RawSewage> I use Kubuntu
[05:50] <phI||Ip> Yeah, I just used it because I didn't want to use GAIM and I dunno what the other IRC clients are called
[05:50] <phI||Ip> so Konversation sounded like an IRC client, lol
[05:50] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, Konversation is good
[05:50] <phI||Ip> but I am in Gnome
[05:50] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, although youre using an old version
[05:50] <phI||Ip> Im updating right now
[05:50] <phI||Ip> =)
[05:50] <RawSewage> Im using 1.0
[05:51] <RawSewage> Im using Edgy though
[05:51] <phI||Ip> yeah
[05:51] <phI||Ip> I was shocked it detected my wireless card automagically
[05:51] <phI||Ip> that was sweet
[05:51] <phI||Ip> just had to select the network name
[05:52] <deadduck> is there a way to upgrade kubuntu 32 bit to 64 bit without downloading the iso?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> deadduck,  im not sure you CAN upgrade that way
[05:53] <phI||Ip> does 64 bit work in Linux?
[05:54] <phI||Ip> I know its kind of a joke in Windows
[05:54] <RawSewage> idk
[05:54] <phI||Ip> well I'll be back soon, gotta restart
[05:54] <RawSewage> ok
[05:54] <brandon__> ok can u pm people on here?
[05:55] <deadduck> phI||Ip: there's a 64-bit iso for download, so i'm assuming they've got stuff working
[05:55] <brandon__> i need someone to walk me through step by step on what to do
[05:55] <RawSewage> brandon__,  your nick and their nick have to be registered
[05:55] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Why not read the docs on samba.org ??
[05:55] <Hawkwind> brandon__: They tell you everything you need to know
[05:55] <brandon__> I am trying
[05:55] <brandon__> it's too advanced
[05:55] <brandon__> I need a book on this for dummies
[05:55] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Failing to read and help yourself won't really teach you anything
[05:55] <RawSewage> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper
[05:56] <RawSewage> phI||Ip, you might want to book mark this page   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper
[05:56] <Hawkwind> brandon__: The docs on samba.org are pretty darn basic
[05:56] <Andruk> when i click on my WPA-enabled wireless network in the network manager icon, i am not prompted for a passkey, anybody wanna help?
[05:56] <brandon__> I'm pretty darn dumb right now
[05:56] <flaccid_> if anybody uses any icecast source clients on ubuntu, can you let me know? i need some help/advice
[05:56] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Have you searched the Ubuntu wiki for samba stuff ?
[05:56] <brandon__> wtf is that?
[05:56] <Hawkwind> !wiki
[05:56] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[05:57] <Healot> i guess thou who not willing to learn will die?
[05:57] <brandon__> and those are for?
[05:57] <brandon__> I already attempted suicide this week, didn't work
[05:58] <brandon__> omg, I can't find that crap on samba
[05:58] <deadduck> you attempted suicide?
[05:58] <brandon__> yes, friday night
[05:58] <brandon__> but i just passed out, never quit breathing
[05:59] <Hawkwind> Sounds like linux isn't for you, honestly
[05:59] <deadduck> lol
[05:59] <brandon__> dude I just started
[05:59] <deadduck> you need counseling
[05:59] <flaccid_> meh
[05:59] <Hawkwind> 1) You refuse to read and learn and help yourself, 2) You aren't taking anyones advice here
[05:59] <brandon__> I have had it on my comp for only 3 hours
[05:59] <brandon__> gimie a break
[05:59] <flaccid_> lets focus at the tasks at hand
[05:59] <brandon__> wtf
[05:59] <brandon__> I can't find the site
[05:59] <Hawkwind> http://samba.org
[06:00] <flaccid_> whats ya problem, brandon__?
[06:00] <Hawkwind> I've given you the URL 3 times already
[06:00] <brandon__> life
[06:00] <brandon__> :S
[06:00] <flaccid_> i hear ya brother
[06:00] <brandon__> sorry I'm a junior with a 7th grae reading lvl
[06:00] <brandon__> I miss things alot
[06:00] <argnl> i just let a fresh installation of knot2 update and now it appears to be fubar, any suggestions?
[06:01] <DFM> evening
[06:01] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Linux is about doing a lot of reading.  You really need to read a lot of things to understand and to get things working a lot of times in Linux.
[06:01] <PyroMithrandir> anyone know about a KDE option to resize resolution?
[06:01] <brandon__> I'm trying ok
[06:01] <brandon__> I'm in a class and they are teaching us slowly
[06:01] <Hawkwind> !samba
[06:01] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:01] <brandon__> gimmie a break
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> PyroMithrandir,  that one kde screen thing lets ya change res's on the fly.. but i never use it. :P
[06:02] <PyroMithrandir> I've got my xorg.conf set up to give me 1280x1024, but when I log in to KDE, it resizes my resolution down
[06:02] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Read what ubotu just said
[06:02] <PyroMithrandir> Dr_Willis, you know what it is called?
[06:02] <DFM> Question. How do I figure out what my machine's ip is? It pulled one via DHCP and I am playing around with setting up an ftp server on it but don't know what the ip is so I can attempt to connect.
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> PyroMithrandir,  check that kde control applet its in the menus somewhere..
[06:02] <brandon__> to be honest
[06:02] <flaccid_> samba can get hectic. this is why i recommend using the gui frontend in kcontrol
[06:02] <PyroMithrandir> couldn't find one to resize in the control center
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> Perhirals/Display I think
[06:02] <brandon__> I'm in a hurry and wish i just knew how to get those files so I can sleep
[06:02] <Hawkwind> krandrtray or something like that
[06:03] <Ubuntu-Pete> DFM: open a terminal and type ifconfig
[06:03] <PyroMithrandir> I don't think they have it any more, Dr_Willis
[06:03] <DFM> BTW I have been searching the forums and google and just don't what I am looking for.
[06:03] <DFM> thnaks
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> PyroMithrandir,  i see it right there. :P lol
[06:03] <PyroMithrandir> I don't :(
[06:04] <brandon__> why can't I just hook the drive into my tower in a slave cable and mount the drive?
[06:04] <brandon__> it would be so much easir
[06:04] <DFM> well that was easy. wished I could have found it with out asking. thanks anyway
[06:04] <brandon__> I tryed but i can't mount
[06:04] <PyroMithrandir> Dr_Willis, I don't have a "display" section in my "periphirals" section
[06:04] <argnl> Hawkwind: any suggestions? :)
[06:04] <Ubuntu-Pete> that's why we're all here
[06:04] <PyroMithrandir> I'm on dapper, though, maybe that makes a difference
[06:05] <Hawkwind> argnl: None at all.  I actually have it installed in vmware and have had no problems whatsoever
[06:05] <intelikey> i need third level old school hardware guru.    any body think they qualify ?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> i am on dapper
[06:05] <brandon__> hawkwind, I just read the ubotu thoing
[06:05] <PyroMithrandir> and you're talking in kcontrol, right?
[06:05] <Ubuntu-Pete> third level?
[06:05] <brandon__> how do I make the systems in "harmony"?
[06:05] <argnl> so much for edgy eft, i guess
[06:05] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Those pages tell you everything to do, step by step.  Follow them
[06:06] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete well 3+
[06:06] <brandon__> I am reading
[06:06] <brandon__> but u gave me like 30 links
[06:06] <brandon__> I'm reading em all and confused
[06:06] <Ubuntu-Pete> whats the question?
[06:06] <Hawkwind> No I didn't
[06:06] <Hawkwind> I gave you 2
[06:06] <Hawkwind> samba.org and pick one of the ones that ubotu mentioned
[06:06] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete howto get js0 to work
[06:07] <PyroMithrandir> Dr_Willis, you are saying Display section in kcontrol, right?
[06:07] <argnl> i suppose, since its edgy eft and not dapper i'm on my own?
[06:07] <brandon__> how about this
[06:07] <brandon__> u got msn?
[06:07] <Ubuntu-Pete> did you run/install automatix? there is an option for the joystick.
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> PyroMithrandir,  theres proberly 5+ ways to get to the same thing.
[06:07] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Me ?
[06:07] <brandon__> yes
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> I always put a control-center menu on my panel :)
[06:08] <PyroMithrandir> Dr_Willis, yeah, there probably are, but I don't find it...
[06:08] <Hawkwind> brandon__: I have an msn messenger account.  That does you no good since I haven't used Windows in 4+ years and have never once touched samba as I have no use for it
[06:08] <PyroMithrandir> I have it there too, but I don't have a display section there
[06:08] <brandon__> poop man
[06:09] <brandon__> I might as well shoot myself
[06:09] <brandon__> if only I had a gun
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> Kmenu _> systemsettings -> Hardware/Display
[06:09] <flaccid_> brandon__: everyday for me too that..
[06:09] <DFM> brandon: you really need to have more patience
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm that kde front end to configure samba is decently well done
[06:09] <PyroMithrandir> I don't have a "display" under hardware, wtf
[06:09] <Hawkwind> brandon__: If you would just read and actually do the steps, you'd find how easy it is
[06:10] <brandon__> hawkwind... this would be easier to understand what u tell me in a 1 on 1 convo
[06:10] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Refusing to do that you won't get much help from anyone here.  People don't spoon feed
[06:10] <flaccid_> perserverance is the key
[06:10] <brandon__> I'm reading all these other people too and it throws me off
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:10] <brandon__> I'm not refusing
[06:10] <PyroMithrandir> oh, whatever, it doesn't matter, I found where it is stored in the .kde/share/config file
[06:10] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Then close IRC
[06:10] <PyroMithrandir> I'll just change it there
[06:10] <flaccid_> brandon__: maybe you should go read for a bit
[06:10] <brandon__> but...
[06:10] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete if you can help me out, i'll tell you what i've got.   it's an old isa sound card "ess-1688" with gameport on it.  venella 2D 2button stick.   the kde app doesn't find any hardware.   i have tried od  od: /dev/input/js0: No such device    i modprobed joydev gameport and all the joystick modules   still nothing.     any sujestions ?
[06:11] <brandon__> I am reading
[06:11] <flaccid_> brandon__: ok let us know if you have a problem setting up samba when you go to do it
[06:11] <brandon__> what am I reading? ubuntu or samba.org?
[06:11] <flaccid_> brandon__: samba.org howtos or examples or both
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/     - is a MUST bookmark online book for the defacto samba docs. :) and decently written also.
[06:12] <Healot> either, you can read ubuntu wiki on SAMBA or official documentation at samba.org
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> they all discuss the same thing and cover the same things.. just in different ways.
[06:12] <brandon__> ahh shit, my dog pissed next to my foot
[06:12] <Ubuntu-Pete> do an lsmod and make sure there are not multiple modules installed.  The older style game ports usually work out of the box.  did you try the KDE System settings?
[06:12] <brandon__> god damnit
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> install samba, edit the samba config to your liking.. add  samba passwords for the users.. restart the samba service..
[06:12] <Hawkwind> brandon__: Please watch the language
[06:13] <brandon__> my bad
[06:13] <brandon__> thank you doc willis
[06:13] <brandon__> you solved everything
[06:13] <brandon__> I needed a simple step by step
[06:13] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete yes the system > perifreal > joystick
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> the 'internet & network/Samba" tool -  should set it all up for you as well.
[06:14] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete but until the device will show input the gui thing can't work can it ?
[06:14] <flaccid_> lol samba.org gives step by step as well.. heh you must not of been reading, brandon__
[06:15] <NeoFax> Anyone using Con Kolivas's patchset on vanilla kernel 2.6.17.11?  I get an error on HUNK #1
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install samba   - is step #1 :)
[06:15] <Ubuntu-Pete> the GUI would scan automatically the devices.  if there were multiple it would show both
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> thats a bit ubuntu/kubuntu specific.
[06:15] <intelikey> Ubuntu-Pete multiple modules ?    there are a lot of them.
[06:15] <brandon__> i noticed
[06:15] <flaccid_> but i had a shower, Hawkwind
[06:15] <brandon__> I installed it
[06:15] <brandon__> I'm reading on how to config it
[06:16] <flaccid_> sweet
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> sudo smbpasswd -a YOURLINUXUSERNAME    would be step #2
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> thats imporntant - because by default not all the users can connect to the samba shares.
[06:16] <flaccid_> or just smbpasswd
[06:16] <flaccid_> to set yours
[06:16] <brandon__> so I just put my lunix name after pass?
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Yes
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Just like he said
[06:17] <brandon__> I am doing that now
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> flaccid_,  not sure if a user can generate one that root has not '-a' added to allow them to have one.
[06:17] <brandon__> wait, my login name or pc name?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> YOURLINUX_USER_Name
[06:18] <brandon__> ok I forgot lol
[06:18] <brandon__> how can i lok it up?
[06:18] <Hawkwind> What is your user name on the pc ?
[06:18] <flaccid_> Dr_Willis: hmmm that could be true. i'll test that. on other distros its ok
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> You dont rember who you logged in as?
[06:18] <brandon__> brandon
[06:18] <Hawkwind> brandon__: /home/some-user-here
[06:18] <brandon__> oh ok
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Bingo!
[06:18] <flaccid_> Dr_Willis: what is the default location for smb passwords?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Settings --> Internet & network -> samba  ( gives a nice front end) be sure to cick the administrator button
[06:19] <brandon__> ok
[06:19] <brandon__> I got my pass
[06:19] <brandon__> now?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> flaccid_,  not sure - /etc/samba I guess
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> brandon__,  now see if the window machine can see the linux box.
[06:19] <brandon__> ok
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> sudo  /etc/init.d/samba restart  - MAY be needed.. Not sure about just adding passwords
[06:20] <brandon__> do I need to set up a network on my windows pc?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> 'set up a network' ?
[06:21] <brandon__> yes
[06:21] <brandon__> wait
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> that was not a yes/no question. :)
[06:21] <brandon__> ummm... what am i doing on the windows pc
[06:21] <brandon__> going to network places?
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> logicially yes. :P
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> same as if you were going to other windows shares.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> view network computers,  ect...
[06:23] <obf213> how do i open dekorator
[06:23] <brandon__> ok
[06:23] <obf213> i installed it but i didnt c it anywhere i tryed commad: dekorator but it didnt work?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  it should show up under the window-decoration theme applet
[06:24] <brandon__> umm
[06:24] <brandon__> only the windows computer is showing up
[06:24] <brandon__> my linux is not
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> try the sudo  /etc/init.d/samba restart command
[06:25] <brandon__> ok
[06:26] <obf213> Dr_Willis
[06:26] <obf213> where
[06:26] <obf213> i tried kcontrol and system settinggs
[06:27] <brandon__> ok
[06:27] <brandon__> I restarted, now what?
[06:28] <kutan> Can someone help me with WINE?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  its under the 'window decorations' area
[06:28] <brandon__> holy jebus
[06:28] <brandon__> it worked:|
[06:28] <brandon__> thank you so much doc
[06:28] <obf213> Dr_Willis its not showing up maybe i should log off then back in
[06:28] <brandon__> hey doc
[06:28] <brandon__> u got msn?
[06:28] <kutan> I think that's a no
[06:29] <DFM> bet he's got Gaim....................
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> Nope.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:29] <DFM> if that
[06:29] <DFM> i stand corrected by the good Dr.
[06:29] <kutan> Well since he didn't urinate in AIM, I would suggest asking him about that.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> actually its proberly isntalled by default. I think i did use Gaim once for irc.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> IRC  ' the one chat to rule them all'
[06:30] <kutan> But anyway, can someone help me with WINE?
[06:30] <DFM> well IMHO if u gotta IM then gaim it is
[06:30] <obf213> yeah not there, any idea as to wht im missing
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  not really. i just did an apt-get install that thing.. and it was there.
[06:30] <brandon__> lol true
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  personally - i think kdecorator - sort of stinks. :P
[06:31] <brandon__> well thanks for the help bro
[06:31] <brandon__> makes me want to do a backflip
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> now go read some docs brandon__ . :) and learn the fun details of samba
[06:31] <obf213> i just wanted to change my window decorations
[06:31] <obf213> and thats the only thing you can use to do it
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> brandon__,  tip #1 - if editng the samba config  restart the samba service
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  it is? hmm.. not sure what youmean. I change all sorts of things..  or are you refering to the button gfx?
[06:32] <brandon__> I will
[06:32] <brandon__> linux is awesome
[06:32] <brandon__> just I am too used to windows
[06:32] <brandon__> I need time to learn
[06:32] <obf213> window decorations like the part on this around the window on top of it
[06:32] <brandon__> I can own with windows
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  i just select the other window-decorations :P i like "GLOW" myself.
[06:33] <obf213> sweet i kinda wanted to install one
[06:33] <brandon__> I wonder what I am going to learn in class tomorrow
[06:33] <brandon__> what do I use for a P2P?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  thers dozens of themes in the repos you caninstall
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> !p2p
[06:33] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network). BitTorrent: see !torrent Direct connect: try valknut
[06:34] <brandon__> so use the bit torrent?
[06:34] <brandon__> I thought bit torrents were illegal
[06:34] <obf213> Dr_Willis i will try to find them
[06:34] <flaccid_> nope
[06:34] <obf213> but i have know clue wht ur talking about
[06:34] <flaccid_> bit torrent is legal
[06:34] <brandon__> cool
[06:34] <flaccid_> its piracy thats illegal
[06:35] <brandon__> lol
[06:35] <brandon__> I see
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Its illeagle things thats illeagle. :P
[06:35] <brandon__> so does bit torrent have like a huge range of songs?
[06:35] <kutan> uh...
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  just fire up adept search for themes. install some .. and they should show up there under window-decoration tab.
[06:35] <kutan> You can't really say bit torrent has a really big range of songs
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  click on them and see what they look like,
[06:36] <kutan> but the people who make the torrents make a large range of songs
[06:36] <brandon__> O:
[06:36] <brandon__> what themes they got?
[06:36] <kutan> ...Everything you can think of.
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Fire up Adept and SEARCH for the themes. :P lol
[06:36] <brandon__> holy shit
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Linux tip #1 - THINK. :)   lol
[06:36] <brandon__> holy poop*
[06:36] <brandon__> I have a bad potty mouth
[06:36] <unix_infidel> booyah.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> KDe does themes a lot differently then wondows.
[06:37] <brandon__> I know
[06:37] <flaccid_> bit torrent is a file format and protocol, it doesn't have a range of songs
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> 'themes' are made from parts,  icons, windows decorations, and .. somthing else.. :P
[06:37] <brandon__> but I want to learn
[06:37] <brandon__> well what do i use to download songs then?
[06:38] <brandon__> I need some new killswitch engage
[06:38] <kutan> Well
[06:38] <kutan> You can search google for "Killswitch Engage Torrents" or you can.. buy some of it >_>
[06:38] <brandon__> lol
[06:38] <brandon__> what about Ares?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> brandon__,   use a client that works for the network you wish to use.
[06:39] <flaccid_> Ares?
[06:39] <kutan> I prefer www.thepiratebay.org
[06:39] <flaccid_> !frostwire
[06:39] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:39] <brandon__> can I download a p2p program and use it?
[06:39] <flaccid_> !limeware
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about limeware - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <flaccid_> !limewire
[06:39] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[06:39] <brandon__> ehh
[06:39] <brandon__> I don't like limewire
[06:39] <flaccid_> although gnutella sux
[06:39] <brandon__> never wasa big fan
[06:39] <flaccid_> ah well
[06:39] <flaccid_> GO AND BUY IT
[06:40] <brandon__> go and buy what?
[06:40] <kutan> I do know bearshare lite works pretty well
[06:40] <flaccid_> yes
[06:40] <flaccid_> go buy the CD or whatever
[06:40] <brandon__> but Ares is a free p2p program
[06:40] <flaccid_> well use Ares
[06:40] <brandon__> is it only windows format?
[06:40] <brandon__> or what?
[06:40] <flaccid_> ah well
[06:40] <kutan> Then again, all of those P2P clients have a large risk of spyware
[06:40] <kutan> and viruses
[06:40] <brandon__> true
[06:40] <flaccid_> i guess you will have to buy it
[06:41] <brandon__> I don't wanna but it:(
[06:41] <_pete> woot!
[06:41] <brandon__> and i used to host a chat room on ares
[06:41] <flaccid_> tough biscuits then!
[06:41] <_pete> new kernel compiling now
[06:41] <brandon__> maybe i will again
[06:41] <sondre> hello
[06:41] <_pete> can't wait to get my wifi running
[06:41] <brandon__> oh my gosh
[06:42] <brandon__> my python got out
[06:42] <kutan> Can anyone help me with WINE, it's bugging the hell out of me
[06:42] <brandon__> oh no oh no oh no
[06:42] <kutan> every 5-10 seconds a little box pops up that says "success"
[06:42] <kutan> and I have to click okay
[06:42] <kutan> every time
[06:42] <brandon__> :O
[06:42] <brandon__> go Penn State
[06:43] <brandon__> they will beat Notre Dame this weekend >.<
[06:43] <brandon__> any football fans?
[06:43] <kutan> ...college football?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> kutan,  what ya running with wine?
[06:43] <brandon__> yes college
[06:43] <_pete> duh...
[06:43] <kutan> Just some game my friend wants me to play with him.
[06:43] <brandon__> penn state isn't pro
[06:43] <kutan> Already forgot the name
[06:43] <brandon__> lol, NCAA
[06:43] <brandon__> good game
[06:43] <brandon__> I got 06
[06:43] <brandon__> need o7
[06:43] <brandon__> 07*
[06:44] <kutan> Is there a way to disable the friggin messages?
[06:44] <_pete> sry, dont know wine
[06:44] <brandon__> hey guys..
[06:44] <_pete> out of curiosity, what are you trying to run with it?
[06:45] <kutan> hold on I'll find the name of the game
[06:45] <brandon__> what is a good media player?
[06:45] <_pete> VLC
[06:45] <kutan> It's called "starport GE" :\
[06:45] <brandon__> whats VLC?
[06:45] <_pete> forgot what it stands for, but it is good
[06:45] <intelikey> hmmm rmmod `cat /proc/modules` actually works....  i'm impressed.
[06:46] <_pete> it will play anything under the sun
[06:46] <brandon__> my instructor told me something like something-rocks
[06:46] <brandon__> or whatever
[06:46] <kutan> !VLC
[06:46] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:46] <_pete> for just mp3s and such amarok works just fine for me
[06:46] <brandon__> thats it
[06:46] <intelikey> vlc is the linux answer to multimedia
[06:46] <brandon__> ararok
[06:47] <brandon__> oh no
[06:47] <flaccid_> anybody have counter strike going under wine?
[06:47] <brandon__> my pants broke
[06:47] <flaccid_> amarok
[06:47] <brandon__> what is wine?
[06:47] <_pete> lets u run windows stuff
[06:47] <ubuntu> hola?
[06:47] <brandon__> I need half life 2
[06:47] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[06:47] <_pete> lol
[06:47] <kutan> Actually flaccid_ I was planning to install steam so I could run CS but unfortunately it was a complete failure
[06:47] <brandon__> cool
[06:47] <flaccid_> compatibility layer
[06:48] <kutan> It seems like it's still really buggy
[06:48] <flaccid_> kutan: got told about cedega, but stuff paying for it
[06:48] <brandon__> I learned computer language today :)
[06:48] <brandon__> i hate it >.<
[06:48] <intelikey> i don't understand why this js0 doesn't work...
[06:48] <ubuntu> dnd estoy?
[06:48] <ubuntu> alguien entiende lo que digo?
[06:49] <_pete> no hablo espanol
[06:49] <brandon__> I miss my tv show
[06:49] <intelikey> !es
[06:49] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:49] <ubuntu> como uso el ubuntu-es?
[06:49] <_pete> '/list'
[06:49] <intelikey> not i
[06:49] <kutan> "For Spanish, please use #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es or #edubuntu-es."
[06:49] <brandon__> omg omg omg
[06:50] <kutan> the rest I didn't quite get.
[06:50] <brandon__> how do i get an original nick name?>
[06:50] <ubuntu> gracias
[06:50] <ubuntu> ahi la busco
[06:50] <brandon__> they all seem to be taken
[06:50] <frgy> hola
[06:50] <ubuntu> ya estoy en ubuntu - es'
[06:50] <ubuntu> ?
[06:50] <Slayer4blind> ahahaha
[06:50] <Slayer4blind> I got 1
[06:50] <kutan> Try something exotic brandon_ like brandon124971512
[06:50] <frgy> para unbutu-es
[06:50] <Slayer4blind> anyine play runescape?
[06:50] <ubuntu> hola
[06:50] <ubuntu> quiero saber
[06:50] <ubuntu> dnd estoy?
[06:51] <Slayer4blind> I am brandon
[06:51] <Slayer4blind> I am using my runescape Name though
[06:51] <_pete> lol this is funny, i have a spanish test tomorrow
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  where are ya looking for js0 at?
[06:51] <abattoir> !es
[06:51] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:51] <Slayer4blind> only thing I could think of
[06:51] <kutan> NO HABLA ESPANOL, por favor usen #kubuntu-es!!
[06:51] <intelikey> Dr_Willis /dev/input/js#
[06:51] <frgy> vas a freenode, tu escribas /join unbutu-es, creo...
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  yea - thats where it shoudl show up now - when the right modules are loaded.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  some old games still look for it in /dev/js0
[06:52] <Slayer4blind> how do I change my name color?
[06:52] <intelikey> Dr_Willis i'm just trying to get it to 'od' to the screen right now.
[06:52] <Slayer4blind> i bet it's simple lmao
[06:52] <abattoir> Slayer4blind: in konversation?
[06:52] <ubuntu> hi
[06:52] <Slayer4blind> yes
[06:52] <kutan> Use xchat..
[06:52] <_pete> is it safe to assume that there are a lot of viruses floating around the linux community?
[06:52] <ubuntu> someone can help me
[06:53] <Slayer4blind> xchat?
[06:53] <_pete> i mean, should i get antivirus?
[06:53] <intelikey> Dr_Willis i can't seem to get anything out of it.
[06:53] <kutan> !xchat
[06:53] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 254 kB, installed size 720 kB
[06:53] <abattoir> Slayer4blind: settings->configure konv.>colours
[06:53] <ubuntu> i need to know
[06:53] <Slayer4blind> thank you
[06:53] <kutan> search for xchat in adept
[06:53] <ubuntu> i m completly lost
[06:53] <abattoir> ubuntu: sure, ask your question
[06:53] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  jstest /dev/input/js0
[06:53] <intelikey> jstest: No such device
[06:53] <ubuntu> the problem is that I donpt hove mouse
[06:54] <ubuntu> so how can I get de ubuntu-es?
[06:54] <abattoir> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es
[06:54] <Slayer4blind> hardy har har
[06:54] <Slayer4blind> fixed it
[06:54] <_pete> ubuntu: escribas /join unbutu-es
[06:54] <Slayer4blind> \\m//>.<\\m//
[06:54] <frgy> try here
[06:54] <abattoir> ubuntu: enter that command
[06:54] <Slayer4blind> super genouis over in china
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> _pete,  i cant name one linux virus..
[06:54] <ubuntu> it sais "mandato desconocido"
[06:55] <jofre> i had Ubuntu, Dapper Drake instaled on my laptop, and the special function keys worked greatly... but now, i have installed Kubuntu and its dont work anymore... Any ideias about ?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> _pete,  i cant recall seeing any either. You are thinking in windows terms. :)
[06:55] <Slayer4blind> I am going to read how to do html
[06:55] <calcmandan> how does one disable ssh on startup?
[06:55] <intelikey> /join #the-channel-you-want
[06:55] <kutan> escribas /join #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es
[06:55] <ubuntu> I try it
[06:55] <intelikey> /join #ubuntu-es
[06:55] <intelikey> /join #ubuntu-pr
[06:55] <_pete> Dr_Willis: thanks man.
[06:55] <ubuntu> thanks.. I will try again
[06:55] <Slayer4blind> my rib hurts
[06:56] <Slayer4blind> never fight with iron pipes
[06:56] <kutan> ..>_>
[06:56] <lmancill> jofre --> kde - >control center -> keyboard layout
[06:56] <Slayer4blind> (sword fight) I got messed up
[06:56] <ubuntu> join #kubuntu-es
[06:56] <_pete> ubuntu: write a forward slash first
[06:56] <ubuntu> ok
[06:56] <frgy> not like that
[06:56] <intelikey> Dr_Willis i googled virii for linux one time and found that there have actually been about four or five created
[06:56] <frgy> with a /
[06:57] <kutan> no ubuntu, escribas /join #kubuntu-es
[06:57] <TehKewl1> how do I set up my wireless network to autoconnect when I start Kubuntu?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  but is one that exploits a service.. really a virus.. :P
[06:57] <Slayer4blind> umm
[06:57] <intelikey> Dr_Willis idk
[06:57] <Slayer4blind> something i forgot
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  heh :P
[06:57] <Slayer4blind> i have a wireless network to
[06:57] <Slayer4blind> but I forget how i did it
[06:58] <intelikey> Dr_Willis i didn't really study them.  just looking to see if any existed.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !network-manager
[06:58] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager
[06:58] <Slayer4blind> omg
[06:58] <obf213> lol so i got dekorator and i downloaded a theme but when i apply it window decoratiosn completely dissappear
[06:58] <TehKewl1> mmk I'll have a look
[06:58] <obf213> !dekorator
[06:58] <Slayer4blind> this chat is insane
[06:58] <ubotu> dekorator: KDE theme manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2fix1-1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 296 kB
[06:58] <Slayer4blind> is there any to jut talk alot
[06:58] <Slayer4blind> and not help
[06:58] <Slayer4blind> like I'm doing now?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> Slayer4blind,  theres 1000's of channels on freenode
[06:59] <flaccid_> Slayer4blind: you can configure wireless and networking in kcontrol
[06:59] <abattoir> Slayer4blind: #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <intelikey> Slayer4blind #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <TehKewl1> I remember network manager
[06:59] <flaccid_> oops
[06:59] <TehKewl1> thats trippy
[06:59] <flaccid_> i mean TehKewl1
[06:59] <obf213> who knows why my window decorations just dissappeared
[06:59] <Slayer4blind> omg
[06:59] <Slayer4blind> I think my monitar just barked at me
[06:59] <TehKewl1> walk into a hotspot and it automatically configures it :)
[06:59] <TehKewl1> or plug in a network cable
[06:59] <TehKewl1> I has a laptop
[07:00] <intelikey> Slayer4blind stop feeding it lsd and it will quit that
[07:00] <Slayer4blind> g2g'
[07:00] <calcmandan> how does one disable ssh on startup?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> obf213,  heh - you have gone from bad to worse? ya finially select that dekorator?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> calcmandan,  stop/disable the ssh service
[07:00] <_pete> later
[07:00] <intelikey> calcmandan update-rc.d
[07:00] <calcmandan> dr_willis: it isn't listed in system services in settings.  is there another location?
[07:00] <obf213> lol Dr_Willis, it all seemed so easy, so easy
[07:00] <obf213> lol the the window decoration just dissappered lol
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> TehKewl1,  because my wife likes to rearange her room 10 times a month.. and i got sick of rerunning the wires under the floor for her new locations.
[07:01] <TehKewl1> It's good for notebooks and nintendo DS' in my opinion
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> calcmandan,  i go old-skool and edit the init.d /rc.d links. :P
[07:01] <flaccid_> TehKewl1: no cables is a good point..
[07:01] <TehKewl1> hehe I use my DS to scout out wifi hotspots.
[07:01] <intelikey> yeah and update-rc.d is a tool for doing that
[07:01] <TehKewl1> then crack them with my lappy :P
[07:01] <_pete> rofl
[07:02] <_pete> tegkewl1: that is awesome
[07:02] <_pete> or whatever your name is
[07:02] <TehKewl1> it translates from n00b to "The Cool One"
[07:02] <kutan> CLEVER
[07:03] <kutan> ...>_>
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[07:03] <intelikey> ha ha
[07:03] <dek> I have Java installed but I get this message anyway when I run FrostWire: "OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /usr/lib/"  What do I have to do?
[07:04] <kutan> Sorry, no clue.
[07:04] <calcmandan> is the ssh agent a security risk?
[07:04] <Jucato> dek: did you install Sun Java?
[07:04] <dek> Jucato: yes, from the repositories
[07:05] <intelikey> ssh-agent  hehhe probably but without it you get no kde
[07:05] <Jucato> dek: did you select Sun Java as the default java version to be used?
[07:05] <intelikey> not without lots of tinkering
[07:05] <dek> Jucato: i think I need to do that but I don't know where to do it
[07:05] <Jucato> !java > dek
[07:05] <Jucato> read that link that ubotu sent you. there's a section there about setting the default version
[07:06] <calcmandan> intelikey: ok i restarted ssh-agent then
[07:06] <calcmandan> intelikey: thanks
[07:06] <TehKewl1> quit making the machine do all your work
[07:06] <intelikey> kde will restart it for you.  via xinit
[07:06] <Jucato> ????
[07:07] <_pete> will recompiling my kernel take up a bunch of HDD or does it overwrite old files???
[07:07] <_pete> oops
[07:07] <intelikey> _pete building a kernel takes a couple houndred meg
[07:08] <_pete> ah ty
[07:08] <frgy> hello, are there differents versions in linux kunbutu ? and how can I know mine ?
[07:08] <TehKewl1> geez, man I want to compile linux on a 386
[07:08] <intelikey> better make it a 2.2 kernel 1lwekhet
[07:09] <abattoir> frgy: yes, there are 'lsb_release -a' would say which version you are running
[07:09] <frgy> thank you guy
[07:09] <abattoir> frgy: heh ;)
[07:09] <Jucato> hi abattoir! didn't notice you were back :)
[07:09] <intelikey> frgy also for kernel info  uname -a
[07:09] <frgy> thank you too
[07:10] <abattoir> Jucato: yes, but they you had left too ;)
[07:10] <Jucato> just took my lunch :)
[07:10] <abattoir> nice
[07:11] <Jucato> excuse me :)
[07:11] <abattoir> that's definitely not nice
[07:11] <abattoir> ;)
[07:11] <intelikey> abattoir any good with hardware issues?   js0  old gameport on isa sound card and two button stick.
[07:11] <ryan_> anyone know the repository for vlc
[07:11] <intelikey> ?
[07:11] <_pete> nope
[07:12] <Jucato> !vlc
[07:12] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:12] <abattoir> intelikey: nope... not sure
[07:12] <Jucato> hm... ubotu's not very cooperative...
[07:12] <abattoir> !info vlc
[07:12] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[07:12] <kutan> !cheese
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <Jucato> heh, there...
[07:12] <abattoir> ryan_: its in universe
[07:12] <intelikey> abattoir k.
[07:13] <abattoir> intelikey: is the stick recognised?
[07:13] <intelikey> no
[07:13] <intelikey> that's the problem
[07:13] <ryan_> i have universe enabled ant adept wont find it
[07:13] <Jucato> ryan_: which universe do you have enabled?
[07:14] <intelikey> :)
[07:14] <_pete> ryan_: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[07:14] <abattoir> intelikey: the stick is generic? or is it branded?
[07:14] <kutan> Jucato do you know anything about wine? Seeing as you always have a solution to my problem. :P
[07:14] <ryan_> i have no clue...i just swiched from windows
[07:14] <intelikey> generic abattoir
[07:14] <_pete> ryan_: there is an ubunutu specific version
[07:15] <Jucato> ryan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu <-- follow that link, it has some instructions for enabling "universe"
[07:15] <Jucato> kutan: hmm... what about it? I have very limited knowledge, and I wouldn't always have a solution to all your problems :)
[07:15] <kutan> Well
[07:15] <Jucato> or I could pretend that I don't have a solution :)
[07:16] <kutan> It seems when I play this one game with my friend... Every 5-10 seconds a little error box pops up that says "success", when I click okay nothing happens
[07:16] <kutan> and it just keeps doing it over and over again
[07:17] <Jucato> hmm.... ok I'm clueless... not pretending clueless, but totally clueless.
[07:17] <kutan> lol
[07:17] <intelikey> kutan i'd look in the x and system logs for repeted messages
[07:18] <Jucato> btw, is it wine or kubuntu that says "success"?
[07:18] <intelikey> iirc wine can be started in debugging mode also so that it would log that
[07:18] <kutan> It's wine
[07:18] <Jucato> ah
[07:18] <Jucato> ok clueless again :)
[07:18] <_pete> #winehq
[07:18] <kutan> ..they have a channel?
[07:18] <_pete> lol yea i just checked
[07:18] <Jucato> of course :)
[07:18] <intelikey> yep there you go.
[07:19] <Jucato> just don't forget the "hq" part...
[07:19] <ryan_> pete....jucato......thanks i had the wrong repositories
[07:19] <Jucato> no problem..
[07:20] <Jucato> btw, _pete, did you notice that the page for downloading VLC that you gave actually just has instructions on enabling the universe repos... using Synaptic? :)
[07:21] <Jucato> *sigh* hope they'll add some Kubuntu instructions on that page :)
[07:21] <_pete> lol yea i saw that after i posted it
[07:21] <Jucato> :P
[07:21] <intelikey> i'm quite a little bit suprised that linux doesn't see this joystick  even M$-dos picked it up without trubble.   and i know linux can do anything dos could do,  even crash.  although it doesn't do that very well...
[07:22] <kutan> I think I might go back to windows soon
[07:22] <kutan> Once I find my restore DVD -_-
[07:22] <abattoir> !info joystick
[07:22] <ubotu> joystick: Testing and calibration tools. In component universe, is extra. Version 20051019-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 72 kB
[07:22] <Jucato> heh...
[07:23] <kutan> I love linux and such
[07:23] <abattoir> intelikey: i'm surprised its not detected
[07:23] <kutan> It's just that all I use to do was play games... ones only compatible with Windows and of course wine isn't the most reliable thing to use.
[07:23] <abattoir> intelikey: dmesg shows anything?
[07:24] <flaccid> [2006-09-07 15:21]  <EvilBob> make sure you change the banner to "thanks for hacking me" [2006-09-07 15:21]  <flaccid> yeah doesn't fedora suck like that..
[07:24] <kutan> and that one thing.. cedega... I'm not gonna pay for that stuff. :\
[07:24] <abattoir> intelikey: and try modprobing analog
[07:24] <flaccid> yeah i don't wanna pay for cedega
[07:25] <irrelevant> does anyone know why kscreensaver keeps resetting xscreensaver timeout?... I have to 'xset s off' every time I lock the session
[07:26] <frgy> bye bye, see you.
[07:27] <intelikey> abattoir dmesg don't mention even noticeing  the card it's on   modprobe successful no hlep.
[07:27] <intelikey> hollywoodstar: /dev/input/js0: No such device
[07:28] <intelikey> err that was a bad nick completion.
[07:28] <intelikey> od /dev/input/js0: No such device
[07:28] <abattoir> intelikey: is the gameport enabled in the bios?
[07:28] <kutan> Oh well, time to get back to learning PHP, see ya guys later.
[07:29] <intelikey> abattoir it's on the sound card.... so no it's not in the bios.
[07:29] <abattoir> intelikey: hmmm.. that's tricky :P so its not in the motherboard....
[07:29] <intelikey> no
[07:30] <abattoir> and your sound card works fine right?
[07:30] <intelikey> it's on an ess1688 audio drive
[07:30] <intelikey> yes sound is clean
[07:30] <abattoir> is there a jumper on it by any chance?
[07:30] <abattoir> do disable/enable the gameport
[07:30] <abattoir> *to
[07:30] <intelikey> no not for that.  it can jumper change the irq's that's all
[07:31] <abattoir> intelikey: and you didnt need drivers for the windows version right?
[07:31] <abattoir> ... where it works fine...
[07:31] <intelikey> windows ?    i said   ms-dos
[07:31] <intelikey> and no, windows worked with it too
[07:31] <abattoir> it's all the same cr*p ;)
[07:32] <intelikey> well not really    but for the sake of arg.  ok
[07:32] <intelikey> windows loads drivers (tons of them) dos only loaded what you told it to.
[07:33] <intelikey> and without any drivers  dos games would use the stick
[07:33] <abattoir> intelikey: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/input/joystick.txt might help
[07:33] <intelikey> k looking
[07:33] <abattoir> module for gameport
[07:34] <abattoir> ns558
[07:34] <intelikey> hmmm there is a module "gameport"  i modprobed it already  and  joydev
[07:35] <abattoir> ns558 ?
[07:35] <abattoir> and analog, as i said earlier
[07:36] <intelikey> yes
[07:36] <draik> General question...
[07:36] <draik> I have a new mobo and new PSU...
[07:36] <draik> Everything fits as it should
[07:36] <draik> but when I power it on...
[07:37] <draik> nothing reports to the monitor
[07:37] <draik> the monitor LED just keeps blinking... waiting for a signal
[07:37] <draik> any clues?
[07:39] <intelikey> draik pci or agp card ?   built-in maybe ?
[07:39] <draik> built in
[07:39] <draik> This is a new mobo
[07:39] <draik> this is a hateway PC
[07:39] <draik> it has winxp on it
[07:39] <draik> the old mobo had the same issue
[07:39] <intelikey> ooooh a hateway.....
[07:39] <draik> so I bought a new one after it burned out
[07:40] <intelikey> monitor cable is connected right ?
[07:41] <intelikey> wireing all fastened securly
[07:42] <intelikey> power on and hold down at least four keys ???   (may only work on older boards... idk)
[07:43] <draik> sorry, got a call
[07:44] <intelikey> :)
[07:44] <draik> yes, everything to wiring specs from mobo sheet
[07:47] <draik> Here's a weird thing
[07:48] <draik> I have it connected to my KVM switch
[07:48] <draik> so I can share my monitor, keyboard and mouse...
[07:48] <draik> but when I switch over to the hateway, it holds me there...
[07:48] <draik> I have to hold down the power button to shut it off and then I can switch back
[07:49] <intelikey> draik so hook the monitor dirrectly to that hateway and test it.
[07:50] <intelikey> you're supposed to power off both before rewireing...   but i have hotswapped monitor many times.
[07:54] <intelikey> abattoir for some reason every thing on that page, i had already covered except the 'ns558' module     i think i'll change out the card,  i have an analog device ad18xx lying around some place...  thanks for the "stab at it"  appriceated :)
[07:55] <abattoir> intelikey: anytime :)
[07:55] <_pete> i just followed the linuxfordummies site and compiled my kernel, rebooted, but now when i do uname -a i see no changes
[07:56] <_pete> any ideas?
[07:56] <ryan_> does anyone know of a good ram defrag program...or something that would do the trick....iv got a gig and 1/2 and its all used and them some
[07:56] <intelikey> i had googled it btw  after about 25 pages all dated 2000 and dealing with 2.2 or eariler kernels.... hehhe i realize i can't google for shucks.
[07:57] <draik> Great
[07:57] <intelikey> _pete did you set grub/lilo to boot the new kernel ?
[07:57] <draik> now the pc won't powre up
[07:57] <intelikey> ?
[07:57] <_pete> intelikey oooh no
[07:58] <_pete> intelikey hmmm i know it has something to do with a pointer and stuff.... but i dont know the first thing about grub
[07:58] <_pete> !grub
[07:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:58] <intelikey> pete word of wisdom.  don't remove the old kernel until you have fully tested the new one.
[07:58] <_pete> word :P
[07:59] <intelikey> _pete kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:59] <Jucato> good thing word isn't here :)
[08:00] <intelikey> you can add an entry that would boot /boot/vmlinuz   and use initrd=/boot/initrd.img  then  each new try just remake the symlinks...
[08:01] <_pete> i have no idea what that means...
[08:01] <_pete> but i have google :)
[08:01] <intelikey> it means you, don't have to edit the menu.lst but one time that way.
[08:04] <intelikey> i built a stand-alone kernel that supports all the hardware in this one box,  it doesn't use modules or an initrd.  which means i can just copy it to a new linux install and boot it.   hehhe it's kinda cool seeing the base system cry about not having any kernel installed  lol
[08:05] <bioticpro> Is it possible to change the middle click mouse button action for all of KDE?
[08:05] <Jucato> bioticpro: probably not... each app has its own use for that button...
[08:05] <intelikey> bioticpro kconfig
[08:06] <Jucato> but usually, the default action for middle-click is Paste, afaik
[08:06] <bioticpro> Jucato: yeah, thats what I found out... I was able to change it to do scroll in Konq, but firefox is still paste
[08:06] <Jucato> in firefox...
[08:07] <Jucato> hold on let me install firefox :)
[08:07] <bioticpro> hehe, I never use firefox, except certain sites, like MySpace, don't work well with konq
[08:07] <Jucato> bioticpro: ah yes...
[08:08] <_pete> so im looking at menu.lst and for some reason after my reboot another option was added
[08:08] <_pete> so now i have:
[08:08] <_pete> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386     AND       Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-23-386
[08:09] <intelikey> yeah that's normal. the 23 was the install the 26 was the update
[08:09] <intelikey> and what did you build ?
[08:10] <intelikey> _pete you can "ls /boot "
[08:10] <intelikey> to see what kernels are installed
[08:11] <_pete> 2.6.17
[08:11] <_pete> forgot the rest of the numbers
[08:11] <_pete> but that version is not in /boot
[08:11] <intelikey> and ls /boot    says ?
[08:11] <intelikey> then you didn't install it
[08:11] <Jucato> bioticpro: still there?
[08:11] <_pete> compiling != installing ???
[08:11] <bioticpro> Jucato: si
[08:12] <intelikey> make install && make modules-install     or what ever the specifics are
[08:12] <_pete> i know i compiled the thing
[08:12] <_pete> ok
[08:12] <Jucato> Firefox > Edit menu > Preferences > Advanced options > enable "Use autoscrolling"
[08:12] <intelikey> _pete read the README in the source dir
[08:13] <intelikey> _pete anything in all-caps in there is fyi
[08:13] <_pete> aha i think i skipped a step in the howto
[08:14] <bioticpro> Jucato: sweet, thx :)  I will check more programs for that
[08:14] <_pete> woot i think i got it working
[08:14] <Jucato> compile....
[08:14] <_pete> thanks intelikey
[08:14] <intelikey> _pete np
[08:15] <intelikey> Jucato yes  open the terminal emulator at the bottom and de-sync it  :)
[08:15] <Jucato> aaaaah
[08:15] <Jucato> ok :)
[08:15] <intelikey> that lets you compile and do other things in konq while keeping an eye on the build
[08:15] <_pete> so to put that kernel in grub i can just copy one of the other entries and chg it to the new kernel, right??
[08:16] <intelikey> should be _pete
[08:16] <_pete> ok i'll be back and let u know what happened
[08:16] <intelikey> _pete don't forget the initramfs or initrd    the new one
[08:17] <_pete> hmm
[08:17] <intelikey> unless you compiled in fs and disk support you wont boot without initrd
[08:18] <intelikey> _pete ls /boot      if you don't have a new initrd.img-your_version  you better think on making one.
[08:19] <intelikey> or if it's empty...
[08:19] <_pete> no its there
[08:20] <intelikey> good :)
[08:20] <_pete> and the way the howto told me to do it updated grub for me as well
[08:20] <_pete> so i am stoked
[08:20] <intelikey> ok test it
[08:20] <intelikey> :)
[08:20] <_pete> lol brb
[08:21] <intelikey> we'll see about that
[08:22] <sh4d3z> ha
[08:22] <intelikey> boot to a gui takes time
[08:23] <intelikey> lol
[08:25] <intelikey> i hate it when that happens
[08:25] <flaccid> fark belkin are shite. never buy a belkin network product.
[08:25] <Jucato> aah
[08:25] <Jucato> there :)
[08:25] <_pete> bahahah! it worked i am a genius!
[08:26] <Jucato> welcome back _pete, to the world of the GUI
[08:26] <intelikey> guy issues 4 shell commands and it makes him a genius.... what next ???
[08:26] <_pete> lol
[08:26] <Jucato> issues 4 commands that you give him...
[08:26] <flaccid> who is guy
[08:26] <_pete> rofl
[08:27] <intelikey> really gald for you though pete
[08:27] <intelikey> :)
[08:27] <_pete> it took a while to load which was weird
[08:27] <Jucato> we're all glad that you're back :)
[08:27] <_pete> i was pretty worried for a minute
[08:27] <_pete> ty guys
[08:28] <Jucato> actually, I was starting to prepare for intelikey's funeral, just in case you decide to go after him...
[08:28] <intelikey> oh please don't,  i have enough work already
 oh please don't,  i have enough work already <--- translates as "I've already started digging the hole"
[08:29] <Jucato> aah.. the joys of IRC... :)
[08:29] <_pete> heh.
[08:30] <Jucato> another joy of IRC.. typing /list :)
[08:30] <intelikey> actually "a stalker to add the the list, wouldn't help things any"
[08:30] <intelikey> Jucato i've see server that /list was very handy on.
[08:30] <intelikey> this is not one of them
[08:31] <Jucato> heh
[08:31] <intelikey> on dialup /list is a self-initated DoS attack....
[08:31] <Jucato> lol
[08:32] <Jucato>  /list on DALnet and Freenode is fun!!
[08:32] <_pete> lol
[08:33] <intelikey> hmmm what will happen if someone with a really good inet bone connects to both, then merges them......
[08:34] <bioticpro>  http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings  Cool link I found while searching
[08:38] <sh4d3z> interesting stuff there
[08:39] <Jucato> hm... I thought that that secret was out long ago..
[08:40] <Jucato> Might want to add to your reading list: http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/
[08:40] <bioticpro> Jucato: yeah, I had readthe wiki one it before... forgot to bookmark it
[08:40] <bioticpro> they should include some of those hidden options in the gui config panel, no reason not to
[08:41] <Jucato> except that they won't be secret anymore, would they :)
[08:41] <Jucato> btw, some of them are already configurable using the GUI
[08:43] <bioticpro> my favs are having the tabbar at the bottom in konq, removing the close tab icon from the bar, and having the tab close show on hover
[08:43] <intelikey> i called this one guy,  the machine says "hello you've reached this number, after the message give me a beep."   so i said "beep"  and hung up.
[08:43] <intelikey> he came right over.
[08:45] <intelikey> true storry ^    i knew the man, but only talked to him about three times in my life.
[08:46] <_pete> so, i'm reading the README for the drivers im trying to install, and i come to a part that talks about loading modules
[08:46] <_pete> how do i load modules?
[08:46] <obf213> how come update doesnt update flash
[08:46] <obf213> i still have flash 7, ive been trying to figure out how to get flash 8
[08:46] <intelikey> _pete modprobe module-name
[08:47] <intelikey> you can list them in /etc/modules for automatic loading at boot time
[08:47] <intelikey> obf213 afik there is no flash 8 for linux
[08:48] <Musical_duck> Morning
[08:48] <obf213> o damn
[08:48] <_pete> any ideas on how to find the module name?
[08:48] <_pete> i looked in /sys/module
[08:48] <Musical_duck> Does anyone how I install Quanta's docs?
[08:48] <obf213> i guess i will just hasve to wait until they update it
[08:48] <_pete> couldn't find anything resembling what im trying to do
[08:48] <Musical_duck> know*
[08:49] <intelikey> _pete do this ". /etc/bash_completion "   and then   "modprobe firstfewletters+[tab] +[tab]  "
[08:50] <intelikey> example using # to repersent the tab key;   modprobe ide##
[08:50] <intelikey> modprobe scsi##
[08:51] <intelikey> modprobe snd##
[08:51] <_pete> hm
[08:51] <_pete> im trying to get wireless so possibly something like eth0???
[08:51] <intelikey> that only works with bash completion enabled
[08:51] <intelikey> yes or net
[08:51] <Musical_duck> Which chipset do you have?
[08:52] <_pete> well ./etc/bash_completion is no such file or directory
[08:52] <Musical_duck> ath maybe?
[08:52] <_pete> i have rt2500
[08:52] <_pete> ralink 2500 i mean
[08:53] <intelikey> "<_pete> well ./etc/bash_completion is no such file or directory" <--- that's not what i said.
 _pete do this ". /etc/bash_completion "
[08:53] <intelikey> see the space             ^
[08:53] <_pete> ahhhh ok
[08:53] <intelikey> see the space               ^
[08:54] <_pete> my bad
[08:54] <Musical_duck> module name should be rt2500
[08:54] <Jucato> intelikey:  I think you have to move the ^ a bit more to the right..
[08:54] <Jucato> :)
[08:54] <Musical_duck> try modinfo rt2500
[08:54] <ryan_> has anyone had any trouble with utorrent through wine being unstable
[08:54] <intelikey> Jucato second post :)
[08:54] <Jucato> intelikey: a bit more :)
[08:55] <intelikey> Jucato your irc client is compressing the spaces.
[08:55] <Jucato> my IRC client is called Konversation :)
[08:55] <Jucato> 1.0
[08:55] <intelikey> and it's compressing the spaces.  if you change the fonts it will be in line.
[08:56] <_pete> Musical_duck: modinfo rt2500pci spat out some stuff
[08:56] <_pete> Musical_duck: now i can modprobe, correct???
[08:57] <intelikey> this...........X
[08:57] <intelikey> this           X
[08:57] <_pete> or do i have to be root?
[08:57] <intelikey> are at the same place Jucato
[08:57] <Jucato> intelikey: yep :)
[08:57] <Jucato> exactly the same place :P
[08:58] <intelikey> _pete you have to be root
[08:58] <Musical_duck> yup rt2500 is you module modprobe and see if it succeeds
[08:58] <Musical_duck> your*
[08:58] <intelikey> this           X
[08:58] <intelikey> this###########X
[08:58] <intelikey> those are too :)
[08:58] <Jucato> nope.. this time they aren't
[08:58] <_pete> intelikey ty man
[08:58] <Jucato> :)
[08:58] <Musical_duck> monospace ftw
[08:59] <Jucato> maybe because of the fonts
[08:59] <Musical_duck> choose a monospace font
[08:59] <intelikey> _pete sudo modprobe rt##
[08:59] <intelikey> or the like.
[08:59] <Musical_duck> usually has mono in name or says monospace explicity
[08:59] <_pete> oooommmmmmgggggg
[08:59] <_pete> i think i got my wifi working :P
[09:00] <_pete> thank you guys soooo much
[09:00] <Musical_duck> cool
[09:00] <Jucato> intelikey, Musical_duck: ah yes :)
[09:00] <fildo> if its an ipw2100 good luck
[09:00] <intelikey> _pete now you are a genious
[09:00] <Jucato> lol
[09:00] <Musical_duck> you have security running?
[09:00] <Jucato> Konvi uses DejaVu Sans my default...
[09:00] <_pete> oh i know
[09:00] <intelikey> :)
[09:00] <_pete> actualy i have to configure it still, but iwconfig is saying some stuff it never said before
[09:00] <Jucato> changing to DejaVu mono solves it... for me. :P
[09:00] <_pete> which is *very good news
[09:01] <intelikey> "clean "  works for me
[09:02] <Musical_duck> anyone here use quanta?
[09:02] <Jucato> bah!
[09:02] <intelikey> Jucato i like sans   and serif
[09:02] <Jucato> ooh, DejaVu Sans Condensed looks clean
[09:03] <Jucato> I like sans for GUI, but serif for documents :)
[09:03] <Jucato> using mono makes Konvi look like XChat too much :P
[09:04] <intelikey> i'm on bx of course, in the console so i knew it was your fonts... :)
[09:04] <Jucato> bx?
[09:04] <Jucato> ah
[09:04] <Jucato> BitchX
[09:04] <intelikey> bitchx yes epic fork
[09:05] <Jucato> well, I bet _pete is also on Konvi, so your spacing wouldn't be correct on his screen...
[09:05] <grizzly> why are ftp and dd command running on my system constantly? I haven't used or started any of them
[09:05] <intelikey> that's not my problem tho.
[09:05] <Jucato> lol
[09:05] <intelikey> grizzly the *buntu team is using dd to log things
[09:05] <grizzly> and there is nothing in /etc/init.d to suggest this shold happen
[09:06] <Jucato> I have dd also running... what's that for?
[09:06] <intelikey> as for ftp   idk
[09:06] <Jucato> ftp is when you're downloading?
[09:06] <Jucato> don't worry, everyone has dd, I think...
[09:06] <grizzly> well I am not downloading anything, I use ncftp anyways
[09:06] <intelikey> Jucato dd is writing a log file
[09:06] <grizzly> any way to switch it off?
[09:07] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not the same as the dd app? (man dd)
[09:07] <intelikey> dd or ftpd ?
[09:07] <grizzly> both!
[09:07] <intelikey> Jucato it is the dd app yes
[09:07] <Jucato> um.. is there a reason why you want it off?
[09:07] <grizzly> PIII
[09:07] <grizzly> hehe
[09:08] <intelikey> grizzly remove the link to ftpd in the /etc/rc?.d
[09:08] <intelikey> man update-rc.d
[09:08] <fokuslee> hi how can i tell if im running sli?
[09:08] <intelikey> that  ^  will provide a way to change that.
[09:08] <fokuslee> and i just realized ubuntu can never do one thing that window does so well
[09:09] <_pete> man i wish there was an irc room for the rt2x00 project
[09:09] <Jucato> Ubuntu can never crash as well as Windows?
[09:09] <fokuslee> lol no
[09:09] <intelikey> grizzly if you really want to kill the logging function that dd is providing you can "sudo killall dd "
[09:09] <Musical_duck> maybe adds?
[09:09] <fokuslee> in windows there is alternative languae input
[09:09] <fokuslee> like i can switch to chinese input on the spot
[09:09] <Jucato> intelikey: will killing dd make stop logs like dpkg, xorg, etc?
[09:09] <grizzly> intelikey: Hmm couldn't find anything to switch of in rc?.d
[09:09] <Jucato> hnm.. sKim?
[09:10] <Musical_duck> yes right click on input box I think
[09:10] <Jucato> !skim
[09:10] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[09:10] <Jucato> !info skim
[09:10] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[09:10] <Jucato> heh same description...
[09:11] <fokuslee> haha
[09:11] <fokuslee> wut a slap in the face
[09:11] <fokuslee> i will check it out
[09:11] <intelikey> grizzly use the update-rc.d  app
[09:11] <fokuslee> oh btw how do i tell if im running sli ?
[09:11] <Jucato> anyway, skim is a front end to scim... skim is installed by default in Dapper
[09:12] <_pete> is there anybody here that has been succesful with rt2x00 drivers???
[09:12] <intelikey> grizzly also if you "must" permanantly kill dd as a loging facility, then have a look at :::/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh:                dd if=/dev/klog of=/var/log/dmesg & :::
[09:12] <grizzly> intelikey: ok, thanks , I'll look around
[09:12] <grizzly>  oh bootmisc it in then!. Obviously it would be unwise to switch it off completely
[09:12] <intelikey> that's the line in the script that started it
[09:13] <fokuslee> tx jucato
[09:13] <intelikey> like i said it's writting a log file
[09:13] <grizzly> yup I got it
[09:15] <intelikey> personally.  i permanantly kill it.   by adding   killall dd    to /etc/rc.local
[09:15] <intelikey> it can log the boot process then that turns it off.
[09:15] <_pete> so..... i built the drivers.....   is it possible to UNbuild them??
[09:15] <_pete> and by drivers i mean modules
[09:15] <intelikey> unbuild ?
[09:16] <_pete> yea, like undo what i did
[09:16] <_pete> and then redo it.
[09:16] <intelikey> you can "make uninstall-blah "
[09:16] <intelikey> or "make clean "    or both
[09:17] <intelikey> the first is self explanitory the latter just cleans out the build dirs   it doesn't remove anything needed to build again.
[09:17] <_pete> ok, but when i did the original make, i did not define what i want made - so how do i define what i want to unmake .....
[09:18] <intelikey> then a generic   make uninstall    should work
[09:18] <_pete> i dont know if anybody can understand taht
[09:18] <_pete> ok
[09:19] <_pete> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[09:19] <grizzly> intelikey: thanks for the rc.local tip!
[09:19] <intelikey> _pete one quick question.   you do know that what you are doing can break things.  so you have backed up all importang things on the hdd havent you ?
[09:19] <xcyborg> is there a kopete 0.12.2 package for dapper available anywhere ?
[09:20] <intelikey> _pete in the source dir.   the command is local specific.
[09:20] <_pete> i dont have any important things on here
[09:21] <_pete> i ran it in the same directory i ran the orig make
[09:21] <UB-Gast0815> is it possible, to decrease or increase the space of a partion during installation of ubuntu?
[09:21] <intelikey> hmmm don't tell me the kernel team didn't allow for removal...
[09:22] <_pete> can i make 'over' the old one with new configurations??
[09:22] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 with or without data / data loss  ?
[09:22] <cima> how can i 'make' in ubuntu?
[09:22] <intelikey> _pete yes you can.
[09:22] <UB-Gast0815> without data loss, pls
[09:22] <intelikey> cima sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:22] <_pete> cima: apt-get install build-essential
[09:23] <_pete> lol forgot the sudo
[09:23] <cima> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[09:23] <grizzly> cima type audo aptitude install build<tab>
[09:24] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 better to shrink the ntfs partition from something that is made for that.   but i hear that it can be done in the installer.
[09:24] <grizzly> i.e hit the tab key
[09:24] <intelikey> !b-e
[09:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:24] <intelikey> !repos
[09:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:24] <UB-Gast0815> intelikey: sry, but dont have a ntfs partition, should i create one ?
[09:24] <intelikey> !easysources
[09:24] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:25] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 no
[09:25] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 what are you wanting to alter /
[09:25] <intelikey> ?
[09:25] <_pete> what is asm file creation???
[09:26] <UB-Gast0815> intelikey: scnr, i want to install ununtu as alternate os for suse 10.1; think i should use qpartet or sth. like this at first
[09:26] <intelikey> asm or .asm generally means assembler
[09:26] <UB-Gast0815> ubuntu
[09:26] <_pete> !asm > _pete
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <_pete> !.asm > pete
[09:26] <_pete> !.asm > _pete
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 oh resizing ext3 ?   or rieserfs ?    some of the journalizing fs's are not easily changed
[09:27] <UB-Gast0815> intelikey: i have a reiserfs partition
[09:27] <_pete> !assembler > _pete
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about assembler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <_pete> damn, nothing...
[09:27] <intelikey> UB-Gast0815 gparted maybe.  but i promice you nothing.
[09:28] <UB-Gast0815> intelikey: thx, perhaps i shoult do a full new installation
[09:28] <_pete> what is that site where you can post up a bunch of code?
[09:28] <Jucato> !pastebin
[09:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:28] <intelikey> !paste
[09:28] <intelikey> ooops
[09:28] <Jucato> :)
[09:29] <_pete> lol thanks
[09:29] <intelikey> nasm - General-purpose x86 assembler
[09:29] <intelikey> !info nasm
[09:29] <ubotu> nasm: General-purpose x86 assembler. In component main, is optional. Version 0.98.38-1.2 (dapper), package size 1511 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[09:29] <Infecto_> hello
[09:30] <intelikey> Infecto
[09:30] <Infecto> did some one write article about switching betwine dappper==knot2 ?
[09:32] <_pete> ok i posted a lil snippet of the config file, could somebody pls take a look and tell me if i should enable asm???  there are a ton of seperate parts with the asm option built in and i dont know the first thing about it
[09:33] <_pete> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22791
[09:33] <intelikey> i wonder how i could reset my volume settings to something besides 00  at boot time...   alsa is missing something.   and yes i did alsactl store   but i didn't add alsactl restore in any init script.   well i guess i answered my question.  damn i'm good.
[09:34] <Lynoure> :)
[09:34] <_pete> lol
[09:34] <_pete> !nasm > _pete
[09:35] <intelikey> _pete if you do   make menuconfig    then you can use the help function to read about each option you want to know about.
[09:35] <cima> !easysources
[09:35] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:35] <_pete> k
[09:36] <intelikey> or is it   make menu.config      or menu_config  or menu-config     one of those....
[09:36] <intelikey> which ever works.
[09:36] <jk-> make menuconfig
[09:37] <intelikey> that's what i first typed... but then it didn't look just right.
[09:37] <_pete> yea none of those worked.. to hell with it im just gonna activate it every single time the option is available.
[09:37] <jk-> _pete: what are you configuring?
[09:38] <intelikey> make menuconfig   didn't work ?
[09:38] <intelikey> jk- kernel
[09:38] <intelikey> 2.6.17
[09:38] <jk-> ok
[09:38] <jk-> how does it not work ?
[09:38] <_pete> rt2x00 driver
[09:39] <_pete> make menuconfig did not work
[09:39] <jk-> what did it say ?
[09:39] <_pete> i was in the local dir for that
[09:39] <_pete> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22791
[09:39] <_pete> ah shit wrong thing
[09:39] <_pete> hold on
[09:39] <intelikey> and the error message was ?
[09:40] <_pete> working on it
[09:40] <_pete> 1 sec
[09:40] <_pete> cant copy/paste :(
[09:40] <intelikey> lol
[09:40] <Jucato> fingure nails.... how nice :)
[09:40] <_pete> make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'.  Stop.
[09:40] <_pete> aha!
[09:40] <jk-> so this is an out-of-tree module then?
[09:40] <_pete> jk- i dont even know what that means
[09:41] <_pete> haha i installed linux for the first time like 3 days ago
[09:41] <jk-> it didn't come with the rest of the kernel source
[09:41] <_pete> hmmm i just changed to kernel 2.17 or something like that
[09:41] <_pete> but the README said it was a min. req.
[09:42] <jk-> did you change the =y to =n ?
[09:42] <mrvian001> wow, you all use ubuntu
[09:42] <intelikey> ok  pete there's always tomarrow.  until we run out of them anyway...
[09:42] <mrvian001> woooooooo
[09:42] <intelikey> so i'm gone now.
[09:42] <_pete> hey man thanks for helping me out so much
[09:42] <mrvian001> paaarrtay
[09:43] <intelikey> tra bon chance
[09:43] <intelikey> or good luck   or what ever
[09:43] <mrvian001> lines of coke for all
[09:43] <_pete> mrvian001 for free???
[09:43] <Jucato> ??
[09:43] <mrvian001> woooooo!
[09:43] <_pete> jk- what u mean???
[09:44] <_pete> i think the awnser is that im changing =n to =y but im not sure lol
[09:44] <jk-> _pete: i missed the beginning of this convo, I don't know what the actual problem is
[09:45] <draik> I gave up... I couldn't get power from the PSU to the mobo
[09:45] <draik> Time to return it tomorrow and exchange it for something else
[09:45] <_pete> installing rt2x00 drivers, i cant do the part where i install the modules
[09:45] <Jucato> :(
[09:45] <_pete> until i know how to configure.
[09:45] <UB-Gast0815> is it possible to change in kubuntu ("live-cd") the screen res?
[09:45] <Jucato> jk-: you missed around 2 hours of the conversation then :)
[09:45] <jk-> _pete: what's the error ?
[09:46] <_pete> hold on
[09:46] <jk-> Jucato: ah, one of *those* conversations
[09:46] <_pete> oh there was no error with actualy installing modules
[09:46] <Jucato> heh...
[09:46] <draik> I got the book "Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional"
[09:46] <_pete> but when i tried to configure everything an option was missing
[09:46] <_pete> hold on ill paste the error
[09:46] <draik> Too bad there aren't any books that cover Kubuntu specifically
[09:46] <jk-> _pete: you're going to have to be a little more specific about the problems here. error messages are handy :)
[09:47] <Jucato> draik: yeah...
[09:47] <draik> I smell like metal
[09:47] <Jucato> UB-Gast0815: try System Settings > Display ?
[09:47] <_pete> ok, readme says :
[09:47] <_pete>  After loading the modules two interfaces will now be visible in ifconfig and
[09:47] <_pete>  iwconfig, namely wmaster0 and wlan0.
[09:47] <draik> screws, screwdriver, pliers, ... metals
[09:47] <Jucato> I don't even want to try and describe what I smell like right now...
[09:47] <abattoir> draik: the desktop guide is pretty useful
[09:47] <_pete> but wlan doesnt show up
[09:47] <draik> abattoir, what desktop guide?
[09:48] <_pete> so i iwconfig the essid and get this
[09:48] <draik> I also got the Linux Pocket Reference
[09:48] <abattoir> draik: Kmenu->Help->Kubuntu Documents
[09:48] <Jucato> draik: K Menu > Help > Kubuntu Documents > Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[09:48] <Jucato> abattoir: he's talking about books, though
[09:48] <_pete> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[09:48] <_pete>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Operation not permitted.
[09:48] <abattoir> Jucato: its available as a printed version too :P
[09:48] <jk-> pete: are you using sudo ?
[09:48] <Jucato> printable version, not printed :)
[09:49] <draik> available under what name?
[09:49] <jk-> what command gives you that error ?
[09:49] <_pete> no, i'll try that
[09:49] <Jucato> what, does canonical now ship manuals too? :D
[09:49] <_pete> iwconfig
[09:49] <_pete> rao essid "net name"
[09:49] <jk-> yeah, if you want to use iwconfig to change things, you'll need to do it as root (ie, use sudo)
[09:49] <Jucato> draik: nah, I think he was referring to the PDF versions of the *buntu Desktop Guides
[09:49] <cima> how to use gcc-3.4_3.4.2-2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[09:50] <cima> in kubuntu?
[09:50] <draik> Oh great
[09:50] <Jucato> cima: you need to install build-essential
[09:50] <_pete> i am a genius!!!!
[09:50] <_pete> lol
[09:50] <draik> I got the Linux Pocket Guide... for Fedora Linux
[09:50] <draik> WTF???
[09:50] <abattoir> Jucato: http://www.lulu.com/content/324285
[09:50] <draik> UGH
[09:50] <_pete> jk- ty
[09:50] <draik> I wonder if I could return it if they have Debian or even *ubuntu
[09:51] <Jucato> abattoir: nice way to save money :)
[09:51] <Jucato> cima: build-essential is in the "main" repository. make sure that it's enabled
[09:51] <abattoir> Jucato: its specifically for people who want hard copies
[09:51] <Jucato> yep
[09:51] <Jucato> but not really the same as the books that draik mentioned :)
[09:52] <abattoir> Jucato: i wasnt watching the entire conv. but werent you guys speaking about hard copies?
[09:52] <joker> do some 1 know how 2  2 config wine
[09:52] <Jucato> abattoir: <draik> I got the book "Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional"
[09:53] <Jucato_> abattoir: <draik> Too bad there aren't any books that cover Kubuntu specifically
[09:53] <joker> do some 1 know how 2  2 config wine
[09:53] <joker> plz help me
[09:53] <abattoir> joker: 'winecfg'
[09:53] <joker> ty
[09:53] <abattoir> Jucato: whatever... :P
[09:54] <Jucato> :D
[09:55] <draik> I think I found another book I'm going to get...
[09:55] <Jucato> draik: make sure you actually get the right one next time :)
[09:55] <draik> Linux Desktop Pocket Guide... it has Ubuntu
[09:55] <cima> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:56] <draik> http://www.amazon.com/Desktop-Pocket-Guide-David-Brickner/dp/059610104X/sr=1-2/qid=1157615576/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0759321-8416005?ie=UTF8&s=books
[09:56] <cima> Reading package lists... Done
[09:56] <cima> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:56] <cima> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[09:56] <cima> then it stop
[09:56] <cima> why?
[09:56] <cima> sorry disturbing
[09:56] <cima> i'm new
[09:57] <cima> bie
[09:57] <JohnFlux> cima: hmm
[09:57] <Jucato> can someone help cima. I think the main repos are disabled...
[09:57] <JohnFlux> indeed
[09:57] <Jucato> I'm coming down w/ something...
[09:57] <Jucato> ugh
[09:58] <Jucato> brb
[09:58] <draik> I almost got the "Ubuntu Hacks", but when I looked through it... they were things you should already have an idea about doing in the first place... and certainly wouldn't call them "hacks"
[09:58] <Healot> should i recommened easysource?
[09:58] <Jucato> Healot: not necessary.... cima only needs build-essential...
[09:58] <JohnFlux> cima: do:   can you edit /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[09:58] <_pete> now 'iwlist ra0 scan' doesnt work ........ yet another giant leap forward into a brick wall
[09:58] <Jucato> ouch headache...
[09:59] <Healot> easysource sounds like a fair and easy solution
[09:59] <JohnFlux> Healot: what's that?
[09:59] <Jucato> depends on what you're trying to do, though...
[10:00] <CVirus> cima: here's my sources.list http://rafb.net/paste/results/niNkpL51.html
[10:00] <CVirus> cima: sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <Jucato> darn.. I need to get some pills...
[10:00] <_pete> cima: check that your repositories are enabled.
[10:00] <CVirus> Jucato: panadol should do the job .. trust me
[10:00] <_pete> cima: you know how to do that?
[10:01] <Healot> get a supply pot, better
[10:01] <Jucato> heh
[10:01] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:01] <Jucato> hm... cima doesn't seem to be responding..
[10:01] <JohnFlux> CVirus: dude, you can merge those lines together
[10:01] <JohnFlux> deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted  universe multiverse
[10:02] <CVirus> JohnFlux: why would I do so ?
[10:02] <CVirus> JohnFlux: its much readable for me
[10:02] <JohnFlux> how is it more readable being twice as long for no reason?
[10:03] <Jucato> 2 words: personal preference...
[10:03] <CVirus> exactly
[10:03] <CVirus> :-)
[10:03] <JohnFlux> you just add 2 words on to each line!
[10:03] <JohnFlux> 2 words!!
[10:03] <Jucato> mine is even 4x as long, because I like to keep the #comments
[10:03] <Diuneimama> anyone chinese over here? i need some help in chinese input stuff!!
[10:04] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: i'm not chinese, but what's the problem?
[10:04] <Jucato> I'm not Chinese, but I do look like one... oh well...
[10:04] <Diuneimama> JohnFlux i need some chinese input programme
[10:04] <Diuneimama> :)
[10:05] <Jucato> doesn't Skim do that?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: okay it's called scim and skim
[10:05] <Diuneimama> scim and skim? where to get it?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: go to K->System->Language Support
[10:05] <Jucato> skim  is a KDE GUI for scim. skim is installed by default
[10:06] <Diuneimama> ok JohnFlux and Jucato
[10:06] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: oh wait, wrong thing
[10:06] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: do:   apt-get install language-selector
[10:07] <tobstarr> !java
[10:07] <Jucato> Skim is in  K Menu > Utilities (AFAIK)
[10:07] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[10:07] <JohnFlux> !chinese
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:07] <JohnFlux> how do I add to ubotu?
[10:07] <Healot> !ime
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:07] <JohnFlux> i have to message someone?
[10:07] <Diuneimama> JohnFlux, i dun wan my whole system been translate to chinese
[10:08] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: it's okay
[10:08] <Diuneimama> JohnFlux, i jux wan to write some chinese word :P
[10:08] <Healot> what's the freaking keyword?
[10:08] <tobstarr> !google
[10:08] <ubotu> google is a very popular search engine, http://www.google.com
[10:08] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: at the moment it's setup for us english?
[10:08] <JohnFlux> US english
[10:08] <tobstarr> !google earth
[10:08] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[10:08] <Diuneimama> yup John
[10:08] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: tell me when you've installed
[10:09] <Healot> just add the chinese language support, and then skim will add the input method on its list, so you can switch them while writing
[10:09] <Musical_duck> Does kde automatically scan your .kde/share/apps/[whatever] /doc for newly installed docs?
[10:09] <Diuneimama> Healot wer to add language support ? skim?
[10:09] <Healot> the Kontrol Panel
[10:09] <JohnFlux> Musical_duck: each kde app checks for it's own docs when you request help
[10:10] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: i'm telling you how
[10:10] <Diuneimama> ok john
[10:10] <Musical_duck> kk thx
[10:10] <Jucato> er he left...
[10:10] <Diuneimama> i have language selector in system John
[10:10] <Jucato> docs are installed in /usr/share/docs, together with the app, unless there's a separate package for it
[10:10] <JohnFlux> Healot: he can't set it up in the control panel yet since he probably doesn't have the packages installed
[10:11] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: okay good ;-)   now run it
[10:11] <Diuneimama> done
[10:11] <Healot> eXg << see this?
[10:11] <Diuneimama> nop
[10:11] <JohnFlux> Healot: use utf8
[10:11] <Diuneimama> i cant see ur word Healot :(
[10:11] <Jucato> Healot: what's that?
[10:11] <Healot> wiat a sec
[10:12] <Diuneimama> ok
[10:12] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: it will also install the chinese translations.  you can change the default or remove the chinese one from the kcontrol
[10:13] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: what's important is that it will setup skim for you
[10:13] <jaims> hello all
[10:13] <jaims> one quick question
[10:14] <Diuneimama> im patching thanks John
[10:14] <jaims> ps -A | grep watchdog returns un process id=4
[10:15] <jaims> but neither the package isn't installed, nor exists /usr/sbin/watchdog!
[10:15] <Healot> ok. that was chinese :_)
[10:15] <JohnFlux> Healot: use utf8
[10:15] <jaims> the only thing existing is /etc/init.d/watchdog, an start/stop script...
[10:15] <Diuneimama> Healot, i can read some chinese now :)
[10:15] <Diuneimama> but some is in . :(
[10:15] <Jucato> jaims: did you check in /usr/bin ?
[10:15] <JohnFlux> 
[10:15] <jaims> yeah
[10:15] <Diuneimama> LOL
[10:16] <JohnFlux> can you read that?
[10:16] <jaims> which watchdog returns nothing
[10:16] <Jucato> JohnFlux:  nice
[10:16] <Diuneimama> nop john
[10:16] <Jucato> that's Japanese
[10:16] <Diuneimama> korean?
[10:16] <Diuneimama> XD
[10:16] <Jucato> Kanji
[10:16] <Diuneimama> Kanji?
[10:16] <Diuneimama> japanese?
[10:16] <JohnFlux> right
[10:16] <Jucato> one of the Japanese "alphabets"
[10:16] <Diuneimama> oh..
[10:17] <Jucato> the other ones being HIragana and Katakana
[10:17] <JohnFlux> Healot: can you see that?
[10:17] <Healot> nope
[10:17] <Diuneimama> i can see
[10:17] <Diuneimama> but dun understand
[10:17] <Diuneimama> lol
[10:17] <Jucato> I can see it :)
[10:17] <Healot> setting the system to chinese atm
[10:17] <MetaMorfoziS> can anybody tell me a surround test film?
[10:17] <JohnFlux> Healot: which irc client do you have?
[10:17] <JohnFlux> Healot: you need to set your channel encoding to utf8
[10:17] <Healot> miranda on wine
[10:17] <Jucato> heh
[10:17] <JohnFlux> Healot: ewww
[10:17] <Healot> heh
[10:18] <MetaMorfoziS> lol
[10:18] <JohnFlux> Healot: look for an encoding option
[10:18] <Healot> i drink WINE too
[10:18] <MetaMorfoziS> why not konversation?:D
[10:18] <Healot> btw, the whole system is chinese -)
[10:18] <Healot> miranda is a babe and she isn't German, no offence
[10:18] <Diuneimama> omg.. the chinese patch is so sloww
[10:18] <jaims> it's there a way to find which exe a process belongs to?
[10:18] <JohnFlux> Healot: yeah.  go into the control panel   kcontrol and remove the chinese translations
[10:18] <JohnFlux> Healot: no wait, not you
[10:19] <Jucato> my bad.. that was Hiragana...
[10:19] <JohnFlux> Jucato: i wasn't going to say anything
[10:19] <Jucato> heh
[10:19] <titan> eyy, hi guys
[10:19] <Jucato> you should have :)
[10:19] <Healot> jaims: you can use ps for that
[10:19] <jaims> aha
[10:19] <jaims> man ps
[10:20] <Healot> great
[10:20] <jaims> thanx
[10:20] <titan> ps -as
[10:20] <jaims> :-)
[10:20] <Healot> you're doing the man now :)
[10:21] <Jucato>  JohnFlux: "ko ri ni chi ha"??
[10:21] <Diuneimama> Jucato wat that means?
[10:21] <Healot> tried kon<space>nichiha? Jucato
[10:21] <abattoir> aah, you guys are learning Japanese
[10:21] <abattoir> btw, ha becomes wa
[10:21] <Jucato> hm... konnichi wa?
[10:21] <abattoir> its a particle
[10:22] <Diuneimama> aishiteru
[10:22] <Diuneimama> i know this only
[10:22] <Diuneimama> :)
[10:22] <Johnathan> Hi all
[10:22] <Jucato> ie!
[10:22] <Jucato> :)
[10:22] <abattoir> !jp
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <Jucato> heh
[10:22] <abattoir> Jucato: wanna start one? ;)
[10:23] <Jucato> noooooh
[10:23] <abattoir> yeah, you should start w/ a #kubuntu-ph first
[10:23] <Healot> that's for typing, btw, Jucato
[10:23] <JohnFlux> Diuneimama: i love you  too ;-)
[10:23] <Jucato> lol
[10:23] <Jucato> JohnFlux: was that "konnichi wa" you just typed?
[10:23] <Diuneimama> :)
[10:23] <JohnFlux> right
[10:23] <JohnFlux> "hello"
[10:23] <redondo81> Hi boys,I have a problem installing the kde headers...when I try to install the kdelib24-dev package Adept says me that it's broken...I don't know why?Can you help me?
[10:24] <JohnFlux> "konnichiwa
[10:24] <JohnFlux> rather
[10:24] <Jucato> abattoir: we barely have enough people in ubuntu-ph... much less if we start a kubuntu-ph
[10:24] <JohnFlux> it's one word
[10:24] <Jucato> JohnFlux: actually, it means "good day" literally...
[10:24] <jaims> thanx healot and all, going to have a cup of coffee for the ps' man page
[10:24] <jaims> :-)
[10:24] <JohnFlux> Jucato: :-)
[10:24] <JohnFlux> Ohio!
[10:24] <Jucato> lol
[10:24] <Healot> hej
[10:24] <Jucato> Ohayo/Ohayou
[10:24] <redondo81> Can anyone help me please?
[10:25] <JohnFlux> broken how?
[10:25] <cima> sorry, i'm away
[10:25] <Healot> ask redondo81
[10:25] <jaims> bye
[10:25] <cima> i don't know how to check repositories
[10:25] <redondo81> in the requst entry there's written BREAK
[10:26] <Jucato> cima: go to K Menu > System and run Adept
[10:26] <redondo81> Yes, I have already done it
[10:26] <abattoir> Jucato: eigo ni hanashite kudasai. arigato :)
[10:26] <cima> then
[10:26] <Jucato> abattoir: I only understood kudasai and arigato
[10:27] <Jucato> cima: then go to the Adept menu and select Manage Repositories
[10:27] <cima> then
[10:27] <cima> yes...
[10:27] <Jucato> redondo81: could you pastebin the error message of this command "sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev"
[10:27] <JohnFlux> abattoir: eigo AU hanashite kudusai
[10:27] <JohnFlux> abattoir: "(you) english speak please"
[10:27] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[10:28] <abattoir> JohnFlux: i meant more like speak *in* english rather than speak english
[10:28] <abattoir> JohnFlux: might not sound right in english... but
[10:28] <Jucato> cima: look for a line that looks like this "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted" if it's grayed out, right-click on it and select Enable
[10:28] <redondo81> ok,wait
[10:28] <JohnFlux> use:   eigo de hanashite kudusai
[10:28] <abattoir> anyways, i'll stop being offtopic, and go back to creating #kubuntu-jp
[10:28] <JohnFlux> abattoir: ^^
[10:29] <Jucato> lol
[10:29] <JohnFlux> abattoir: says a japanese girl behind me
[10:29] <redondo81> It tells me the the package is not complete
[10:29] <cima> then
[10:29] <abattoir> JohnFlux: hmm, i dont know, but i still think 'ni' is not wrong... anyways.. not that de is wrong
[10:29] <Jucato> !pastebin
[10:29] <redondo81> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[10:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:29] <redondo81>   kdelibs4-dev: Dipende: kdelibs4c2a (= 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1) ma 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1 sta per essere installato
[10:29] <redondo81>                 Dipende: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1)
[10:29] <redondo81>                 Dipende: libarts1-dev (>= 1.5-rc1) ma non sta per essere installato
[10:29] <redondo81> E: Pacchetto non integro
[10:30] <Jucato> err...
[10:30] <Jucato> I said pastebin,not paste...
[10:30] <JohnFlux> abattoir: she says it's not right
[10:30] <cima> jucato : i can't connect
[10:30] <cima> to server
[10:30] <redondo81> I'm Italian and the messqhe is in Italian
[10:30] <Jucato> cima: no not you
[10:30] <JohnFlux> abattoir: I have no idea myself
[10:30] <cima> jucato : ???
[10:30] <Jucato> cima: click on Apply at the bottom, then Close
[10:30] <abattoir> JohnFlux: whatever :P
[10:30] <Jucato> cima: the pastebin message wasn't for you
[10:31] <Jucato> redondo81: but I can understand what apt is trying to do...
[10:31] <cima> jucato : then?
[10:31] <Jucato> cima: then click on Fetch Updates at the top, then after that you can try installing build-esssential again
[10:32] <Jucato> redondo81: you're trying to install kdelibs4-dev right?
[10:32] <redondo81> jucato: yes
[10:33] <redondo81> but Adept says me the request is break
[10:33] <Jucato> redondo81: ok hold on
[10:33] <Jucato> redondo81: can you please paste that error message again, in pastebin?
[10:33] <Jucato> !pastebin
[10:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:34] <redondo81> ok,wait
[10:34] <cima> jucato : i got this message : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:34] <Jucato> cima: are you trying to run "apt-get install" while Adept  is still open? you can't do that
[10:34] <redondo81> ok, I sent it
[10:35] <Jucato> redondo81: what's the URL? (web address?)
[10:35] <ati> hi all
[10:35] <ati> an anyone tell me how to disable sound system bell for yakuake?
[10:35] <redondo81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22795
[10:35] <cima> jucato : No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
[10:36] <cima> jucato : 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:36] <Jucato> cima: close Adept, then type this in Konsole: sudo apt-get update"
[10:36] <Jucato> cima: close Adept, then type this in Konsole: "sudo apt-get update"
[10:36] <Jucato> then "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[10:36] <kutan> Can anyone point me to a text editor with custom syntax highlights.... and a GUI?
[10:36] <abattoir> kutan: kate ??
[10:37] <kutan> ...kate lets you make your own syntax highlights?
[10:37] <JohnFlux> sure
[10:37] <Jucato> yes
[10:37] <kutan> I had no clue
[10:37] <redondo81> Jucato: what do you think is the problem?
[10:37] <kutan> Thanks for the info. :P
[10:37] <Jucato> redondo81: trying to figure it out :)
[10:37] <Jucato> redondo81: what version of KDE are you using?
[10:38] <redondo81> 3.5.4
[10:38] <Jucato> redondo81: can you check if the repository for kde 3.5.4 is disabled?
[10:38] <redondo81> ok,wait
[10:38] <cima> jucato : i can't connect to server
[10:39] <cima> jucato : maybe, there is problem in my connection
[10:39] <Jucato> cima: hm... probably...
[10:39] <redondo81> what repositories would be eanble?
[10:39] <cima> jucato : do you know server from asia?
[10:39] <cima> jucato : i'm from indonesia
[10:40] <Jucato> cima: try connecting directly to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:40] <kutan> ..How do I create syntax highlights with kate? :x
[10:40] <abattoir> cima: closest that i can think of is singapore
[10:40] <Jucato> remove the xx before archive.
[10:40] <abattoir> cima: http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:40] <cima> jucato : yes
[10:40] <Jucato> redondo81: the for KDE 3.5.4?
[10:40] <redondo81> yes, can you paste the address?
[10:41] <Jucato> redondo81: I thought you're using KDE 3.5.4? what was the repository that you used to upgrade?
[10:42] <Jucato> abattoir: I think I'm coming down w/ something...
[10:42] <abattoir> Jucato: you mean you're not feeling well?
[10:42] <Jucato> kinda... I'll probably just sleep very early...
[10:43] <Jucato> so that I could wake up on time...
[10:43] <abattoir> Jucato: sure go ahead... dont push yourself a lot
[10:43] <Jucato> heh, I'll sleep early, but not now :)
[10:43] <Jucato> a few more hours probably
[10:43] <Jucato> redondo81: how is it doing?
[10:44] <redondo81> I dont' find the repository for kde
[10:44] <Jucato> redondo81: then how did you upgrade to KDE 3.5.4?
[10:44] <Kabal> Hello all, just a quick question.. can the show/hide-panel be made transparant?
[10:44] <cima> jucato : do you know server from japan?
[10:45] <Jucato> cima: um.. sorry, no
[10:45] <cima> jucato : because my closest connection is japan
[10:45] <abattoir> cima: as i said, singapore has a dedicated server
[10:45] <cima> jucato : ok... thank you very much, i'm trying now
[10:45] <abattoir> cima: just change id to sg
[10:45] <Jucato> :)
[10:45] <cima> abattoir : yes,thanx
[10:45] <Jucato> heh
[10:47] <kutan> Anyone have any idea how to create syntax highlights for kate?
[10:47] <cima> jucato :i still can't connect, is there another way to update my kubuntu?
[10:48] <Jucato> cima: you're probably having some problems with proxies? I'm not familiar with that though...
[10:49] <cima> jucato : yes, off course, my proxy use bandwith limiter
[10:50] <Jucato> kutan: in Kate, Settings > Configure Kate > Fonts & Colors > Hightlighting Text Styles
[10:51] <Jucato> cima: I'm not sure, but I don't think the repositories/servers work well with proxies...
[10:51] <kutan> oh.. thanks
[10:51] <Jucato> heh you're just lucky I happen to have the answers you need :)
[10:52] <kutan> lol yeah
[10:52] <cima> jucato : i can't connect again. so, do you know how to be able using 'make' without updating, or can i update without connect to any server, by just downloading
[10:53] <Jucato> cima: unfortunately, no....
[10:53] <Jucato> :(
[10:53] <cima> jucato : oh noo...
[10:53] <Jucato> btw, what are you trying to compile?
[10:53] <Electrolyte> Can someone tell me why the firewall in Kubuntu isn't working?
[10:53] <Electrolyte> If it even has one.
[10:53] <Jucato> it doesn't have one by default, AFAIK
[10:54] <Electrolyte> Is there any I can install via apt?
[10:54] <Healot> linux kernel has its own "firewall" >> iptables, just activate the rules :0
[10:54] <kutan> Hmmm jucato, I guess I can change other highlights but can I create my own? Cause it doesn't seem that way.
[10:54] <cima> jucato : do you know how to use xxx.deb?
[10:54] <Electrolyte> Erm, how do I activate it though?
[10:54] <Healot> man iptables :)
[10:55] <Jucato> kutan, there's small button near that top that says "New"
[10:55] <Healot> iptables rules are complex, so use tools like firestarter to build the rules
[10:55] <Jucato> maybe you can use that.
[10:55] <kutan> Yeah but that just creates a new thing of all of it... I can't explain but uhhh
[10:55] <Jucato> heh... then I'm not really sure...
[10:56] <Jucato> besides, wouldn't  it be easier to just change the default ones? :)
[10:56] <Electrolyte> Just installing firestarter.
[10:57] <Jucato> kutan: actually, if you create a new Schema, everything from the default schema is copied
[10:57] <kutan> I suppose but it wouldn't have the commands I want considering the custom highlights I want to make are for a custom scripting thinger
[10:57] <Jucato> if you change some settings in the new schema, the normal schema doesn't get changed...
[10:57] <kutan> I know
[10:57] <redondo81> jucato :  the repositories for kde I have in my source.list are :
[10:57] <redondo81> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main
[10:57] <redondo81> deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.5.4/kubuntu dapper main
[10:57] <redondo81> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.4/kubuntu dapper main
[10:57] <redondo81> deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.4/kubuntu dapper main
[10:58] <Jucato> don't paste redondo81
[10:58] <Jucato> !pastebin
[10:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:58] <redondo81> Oh sorry..
[10:58] <kutan> But what I really want to do is add custom commands and such
[10:58] <Jucato> aah
[10:58] <redondo81> I'm very sorry...
[10:58] <kutan> but I think if I change the defaults, it'll still have the same commands just different colors.
[10:58] <Jucato> redondo81: ok. just remember next time...
[10:58] <Jucato> redondo81: could you pastebin your whole sources.list?
[10:58] <redondo81> ok
[10:59] <cima> jucato : hi
[10:59] <cima> jucato : do you know how to use xxx.deb?
[10:59] <redondo81> done,address is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22796
[11:00] <Jucato> cima: right-click then select Kubuntu Package Menu > Install Pacakge
[11:00] <Jucato> cima: but that won't work unless the things that is needed by that .deb is already installed (dependencies)
[11:01] <Jucato> redondo81: ok hold on...
[11:01] <redondo81> ok
[11:02] <cima> jucato : thank you very much, i will go now..bye
[11:04] <Jucato> redondo81: I can't seem to find anything wrong... which makes me very confused...
[11:04] <redondo81> I dont understand what's the problem, it's very strange
[11:05] <Jucato> redondo81: can you give me the output of this command (first line only) "apt-cache madison kdelibs4c2a"
[11:07] <redondo81> ok, this's the first line : kdelibs4c2a | 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[11:07] <Jucato> how about
[11:07] <Jucato> dpkg --get-selections | grep "kdelibs-bin"
[11:08] <redondo81> ok, hold on
[11:08] <redondo81> this: kdelibs-bin                                     deinstall
[11:09] <Jucato> aha
[11:09] <Jucato> redondo81: first do an update (Fetch Updates in Adept for "sudo apt-get update")
[11:10] <Jucato> redondo81: then do a dist-upgrade (Full Upgrade, then Apply Changes in Adept or "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade")
[11:10] <redondo81> ok,
[11:10] <dero> hey guys
[11:10] <dero> i just got my winmodem work go me go took me 2 hours :(
[11:10] <Jucato> redondo81: it seems that your KDE wasn't finished upgrading to 3.5.4
[11:11] <Jucato> dero: at least now it's working. good job :)
[11:12] <dero> yes win modem are evil i want boardband back, they don't offer it here
[11:12] <Jucato> heh
[11:12] <dero> do you use wine jucato?
[11:13] <redondo81> ok, it works, you're great, thank you vry much
[11:13] <Jucato> nope... only used it a few times...
[11:13] <Jucato> redondo81: heh. sorry it took this long to figure that one out...
[11:13] <redondo81> :)
[11:13] <Jucato> you did make my head go in circles heh
[11:13] <redondo81> eheheheh :)
[11:13] <redondo81> grazie mille (Italian language)
[11:14] <Jucato> you're welcome :)
[11:14] <redondo81> :)
[11:15] <dero> do you people use ubuntu?
[11:16] <Jucato> hm.. Kubuntu
[11:16] <dero> looks better i think kde tiz better :p
[11:16] <eeos> hi there!
[11:16] <dero> what is xubuntu?
[11:16] <dero> hi!
[11:16] <Jucato> personal opinion :) but I agree :)
[11:16] <Jucato> dero: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce
[11:16] <Jucato> just as Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE
[11:17] <grizzly> hey which is daemon for running khotkeys?
[11:17] <dero> it is a personal opinion that is why i said it so no one can disagee cuz i said "i think"
[11:17] <kutan> woah...
[11:17] <kutan> There's ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu?
[11:17] <Jucato> kutan: yes
[11:17] <dero> and edubuntu is?
[11:17] <kutan> -_-
[11:17] <eeos> is there anything like a testing repository, as for debian?
[11:18] <Jucato> Ubuntu that's geared towards education
[11:18] <Jucato> http://www.edubuntu.org
[11:18] <dero> is there anything that will run on my 233 64 mb ram laptop?
[11:18] <Jucato> dero: probably Xubuntu... but I'm not sure
[11:18] <dero> ohh ok
[11:18] <Healot> DSL
[11:18] <dero> i'm running puppy linux on it, but its not stable do you know of it?
[11:18] <Healot> oh yeah server install helps
[11:19] <Jucato> ah DSL will definitely run :)
[11:19] <kutan> So I guess xubuntu was recently created?
[11:19] <kutan> because I've never seen it there
[11:19] <Healot> no gui though, dero
[11:19] <dero> huh, why no gui
[11:20] <Jucato> server install = most basic install, no GUI, meant for servers
[11:20] <eeos> is there anything like a testing repository for kubuntu, as for debian? or do i need to add debian testing?
[11:21] <Healot> the lowest spec i tried was a PIII 800 with 256MB RAM
[11:21] <Jucato> eeos: you can try testing Edgy Eft, but it's not recommended to use it the way you would use Etch
[11:21] <Healot> i can't get any lower
[11:21] <eeos> Jucato i knew about edgy eft, but i wanted something abit more stable, as testing is
[11:21] <dero> there a video click somewhere on ubuntu where this guy says why he made it and stuff does anyone know where on the OS that is?
[11:21] <dero> clip*
[11:21] <Jucato> eeos: Kubuntu doesn't have that
[11:22] <dero> i have the ubuntu CD aswell
[11:22] <eeos> Jucato so we have to wait for new packages? or can we add debian testing repository without too much damage?
[11:22] <Jucato> eeos: that depends. sometimes new packages are made available through dapper-backports
[11:22] <Jucato> btw, do not mix repositories
[11:22] <eeos> Jucato ah!
[11:23] <Jucato> you can safely add some ubuntu-compatible repos like Wine's. but not Debians, or MEPIS', etc.
[11:23] <eeos> Jucato i try to avoid mixing repository usually, but in this case is just an application
[11:23] <Jucato> eeos: what application would that be?
[11:23] <eeos> Jucato ah! isthere a list of kubuntu safe repositories?
[11:24] <eeos> Jucato twinkle 0.8.1
[11:24] <blackflag> hello all :)
[11:24] <Jucato> eeos: everything that's in the sources.list by default is safe :)
[11:24] <eeos> Jucato the one i kubuntu is still 0.4.2!
[11:24] <eeos> Jucato i imagined it was the case! :D
[11:24] <blackflag> Im running dapper and wnt to execute mkinird but can not find this comment here in dapper
[11:24] <grizzly> can anyone guess why khotkeys aren't running?
[11:25] <Jucato> what's twinkle's current version?
[11:25] <blackflag> Where is it?
[11:25] <grizzly> I was playing with bum :)
[11:25] <eeos> Jucato 0.8.1
[11:25] <blackflag> or should I use something else instead?
[11:25] <Jucato> eeos: in a few week's time, Edgy will be released. it has that version
[11:25] <eeos> Jucato there is a repackaged debian
[11:25] <eeos> Jucato how any weeks?
[11:25] <Jucato> eeos: you could probably install that packaged Debian, as long as you have the proper dependencies...
[11:26] <Jucato> I'm not sure how many weeks to go...
[11:26] <eeos> Jucato dependency problems
[11:26] <oniryx> hello !
[11:26] <Jucato> ah... better not install that deb, then
[11:26] <oniryx> Any body can explain what is the purpose of gam_server ?
[11:26] <eeos> Jucato i found some of stuff pacakged for amd 64 kubuntu is not working or working not particularly well
[11:26] <Jucato> grizzly: can you still use keyboard shortcuts? I'm not sure why it's not running, but I can use keyboard shortcuts on Edgy w/o them..
[11:27] <eeos> Jucato including openwengo (seg fault) and openoffice (very bad integration)
[11:27] <Jucato> eeos: er.. that I wouldn't know about...
[11:27] <eeos> Jucato :)
[11:27] <grizzly> Jucato: Oh I need them for the mosue gestures
[11:27] <grizzly> mouse
[11:27] <Jucato> grizzly: hm...
[11:29] <abattoir> oniryx: it is primarily used to monitor changes in the filesystem, i thing
[11:29] <abattoir> oniryx: why do you ask? hogs your cpu?
[11:30] <daniloc> abattoir: pvt please ?
[11:32] <Jucato> going afk...
[11:36] <oniryx> abattoir: while running digikam with 19000 pictures, the hard drive is singing like a drunk jazzman :)
[11:36] <oniryx> abattoir: Krrrr KRrrrrr kRRRrrrKrr KRRrrrr
[11:36] <abattoir> oniryx: have you traced that down to gam_server ?
[11:37] <oniryx> abattoir: you been strace pid ?
[11:37] <abattoir> oniryx: well,  i meant generally..
[11:37] <abattoir> :P
[11:37] <abattoir> anyways, i guess you could kill it safely...
[11:38] <oniryx> abattoir: yes that's what I did :)
[11:39] <oniryx> abattoir: any idea how to trace a bug in  Kdelibs ?
[11:40] <oniryx> abattoir: running digikam with the latest kde from kubuntu.org fails due to KIO KDirWatch error
[11:40] <andrea_> hi all. i'm following the online guide to setup extra codecs: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs    but it seems this package has another name...
[11:40] <sorush20> my java runtime environment is not being detected by firefox what can I do?
[11:40] <sorush20> I have the sun version of java installed..
[11:40] <abattoir> oniryx: does this occur after you kill gam_server ?
[11:41] <oniryx> abattoir: it's something else, not related with gam_server
[11:41] <abattoir> andrea_: nope, the name is right... check if you have the correct repository enabled
[11:41] <oniryx> abattoir: it looks like a KDElibs bug to me
[11:41] <abattoir> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:41] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:41] <andrea_> i have universe/multiverse enabled
[11:42] <abattoir> andrea_: did you update after that? (Fetch updates in adept) ?
[11:42] <andrea_> yes i did
[11:42] <abattoir> oniryx: then i guess you could file a bug... i have no clue, sorry :P
[11:42] <fildo> hey whats setiahome ?
[11:42] <fildo> setiathome even
[11:42] <abattoir> andrea_: can you make sure you enabled multiverse for 'dapper' rather than 'dapper-backports'(in the distribution)
[11:43] <abattoir> fildo: Search for Extra-terrestrial intelligence
[11:43] <fildo> ah ok .
[11:43] <abattoir> fildo: its a prog. where your idle cpu is used to process data for seti
[11:43] <andrea_> abattoir: one sec
[11:43] <fildo> i must of added package by accident, cause everytimee i try n apt-get . it pop ups with setiathome source. n wont connect to site
[11:43] <fildo> cheers for info
[11:44] <danny500> you guy's are on at this time of the day too!
[11:44] <danny500> holy shit
[11:44] <abattoir> danny500: its an international channel, the world is always awake ;)
[11:44] <fildo> indeed..
[11:45] <danny500> ok. were are you from?
[11:45] <fildo> australia, this way
[11:45] <dero> me 2
[11:45] <dero> where bout?
[11:45] <alyn3d> hello all
[11:45] <fildo> dero: syd . yaself
[11:45] <dero> meblourne
[11:45] <fildo> sweet.
[11:45] <dero> melbourne*
[11:45] <danny500> Canada
[11:45] <fildo> rip steve
[11:45] <dero> indeed
[11:46] <danny500> poor Steve
[11:46] <andrea_> abattoir: i have both dapper (universe)....and dapper-backports (main restircedt universe multiverse)
[11:46] <danny500> I thought a crock would kill him though
[11:46] <fildo> me 3
[11:46] <abattoir> andrea_: make it dapper( universe multiverse)
[11:46] <fildo> oh well, play with fire you are bound to get burnt
[11:46] <dero> he can't move around in water as well as he can on land
[11:46] <fildo> like they say
[11:46] <danny500> or stung
[11:46] <fildo> no pun intended
[11:46] <dero> yes stung, in the heart.
[11:47] <danny500> fish have scary aim
[11:47] <dero> fildo do u use win?
[11:47] <dero> wine*
[11:47] <fildo> yer cunts setting up websites, for funds. but they are fake
[11:47] <fildo> ha
[11:47] <fildo> umm. for gaming mostly.
[11:47] <dero> how do i download it?
[11:47] <fildo> only cause the vmware that i use crashes over wireless
[11:47] <andrea_> abattoir: whoa! it works now!! thanks al ot
[11:47] <dero> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[11:47] <fildo> apt-get wine ?
[11:47] <danny500> use your add and remove program
[11:48] <abattoir> andrea_: cool :)
[11:48] <fildo> ah. wine. not win ha
[11:48] <dero> yea
[11:48] <danny500> I used adept to install wine
[11:48] <dero> how do i open apt-get i dunno where it is
[11:48] <fildo> adept. is front end for apt-get
[11:48] <danny500> I know but it still worked
[11:48] <andrea_> one last issue: when running the live cd....i heard sound upon bootup, when KDE was loading....but after i installed...the sound was gone
[11:49] <danny500> no big deal then
[11:49] <fildo> sound ? ..
[11:49] <fildo> did it speak to you ?
[11:49] <danny500> what your sound card isn't working no more?
[11:50] <andrea_> no...the KDE bootup tune...it works if i use the live cd....but not in the hard drive installation
[11:50] <fildo> ah lost my stoker
[11:50] <Electrolyte> Firestarter works nicely - even helped me get my server running as a router :] 
 did it speak to you ? "thats funny"
[11:50] <Dannilion> Does anyone know how I turn off the colour changing in Kopete? My contacts are complaining :P
[11:50] <unix_infidel> do all the man pages utilise unicode formatting
[11:50] <dero> so i use adept then?
[11:50] <unix_infidel> it seems that my man pages seem to be garbled.
[11:50] <fildo> i thought i would bring some humor to the channel
[11:50] <danny500> you can use adept
[11:51] <danny500> hold on I'll check
[11:51] <fildo> anyone here a wireless expert?
[11:51] <unix_infidel> fildo: just ask your question.
[11:51] <danny500> kinda why?
[11:51] <fildo> i have issue with ipw2100
[11:52] <fildo> its working .. though i had to drop it to channel 1
[11:52] <oniryx> abattoir: ok :)
[11:52] <fildo> for some unknown reason
[11:52] <unix_infidel> fildo: just set channel to auto or all and it should just recognize whatever chan its suppose to for the given essid.
[11:52] <dero> so do i type deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[11:53] <fildo> unix_infidel: see thats the problem
[11:53] <fildo> it wont allow me to
[11:53] <fildo> Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
[11:53] <danny500> dero, open adept and type in wine in the search bar and install everting for wine ok
[11:53] <fildo> im pretty sure thats the error
[11:54] <dero> ok :)
[11:54] <fildo> no matter if i sudo
[11:54] <danny500> thats how I got wine
[11:54] <unix_infidel> fildo: please pastebin the error along with the command you issued.
[11:54] <fildo> ok
[11:55] <fildo> for instance
[11:55] <fildo> fildo@liberty:~$ sudo iwconfig eth1 channel 11
[11:55] <fildo> Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
[11:55] <fildo>     SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported.
[11:55] <andrea_> i selected my USB headset as the sound device from the mixer....but i still dont have sound
[11:55] <dero> i type in wine it does nothen
[11:55] <dero> just says filtering
[11:55] <misieq> !flac
[11:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:55] <danny500> What the hell is it with fucking Egiption men?
[11:56] <unix_infidel> misieq: please have ubotu PM to you next time.
[11:56] <danny500> I've had 6 of them add me on msn and thir like in their 40's
[11:56] <unix_infidel> fildo: that means the ipw2100 doesnt support channel set.
[11:56] <fildo> year that and freq
[11:56] <fildo> which i dont understand, cause i had it working fine in fc5
[11:57] <fildo> but i had to run a firmware.
[11:57] <unix_infidel> fildo: right.
[11:57] <unix_infidel> fildo: i'd just set iwconfig ethX channel auto
[11:57] <fildo> i cant
[11:57] <danny500> how do I start my own channel?
[11:57] <fildo> its weird. the way i got it working was
[11:57] <unix_infidel> fildo: you cant set the freq either?
[11:57] <fildo> set it in /network/interfaces
[11:57] <fildo> nup
[11:58] <unix_infidel> danny500: msg chanserv
[11:58] <fildo> i installed wifi-radar
[11:58] <danny500> ok
[11:58] <fildo> n then for some reason
[11:58] <fildo> it connected when i set parameters in the inferfaces config
[11:58] <dhq> can anyone help me get my xserver running properly it got screwed after i installed xgl
[11:58] <fildo> like im on it now, it associates
[11:59] <unix_infidel> fildo: auto should be default.
[11:59] <dero> i search wine in the seach bar it says filtering and then stops that does nothen
[11:59] <dhq> !xserver-xorg
[11:59] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 98 kB, installed size 344 kB
[11:59] <unix_infidel> you should be able to associate without setting the chan.
[11:59] <fildo> yeh but see, i had to drop to channel  1
[11:59] <fildo> to make it associate
[11:59] <fildo> wouldnt associate on any other chan
[11:59] <dhq> !xserver-xorg reconfig
[11:59] <dhq> !xserver-xorg reconfigure
[11:59] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 98 kB, installed size 344 kB
[11:59] <fildo> the weirdness off it . i have both a dlink . and a linksys
[12:00] <fildo> both give me issues
[12:00] <unix_infidel> works fine on windows and other distros?
[12:00] <fildo> windows is fine
[12:00] <unix_infidel> the firmware should've been included with the package for ipw
[12:01] <fildo> only other distro was redhat
[12:01] <fildo> yeh well i installed it from intel site
[12:01] <fildo> since they have *nix support
[12:01] <unix_infidel> fildo: you installed the firmware from a 3rd party source?
[12:01] <fildo> but to no avail .
[12:01] <danny500> who's getting a Nintendo Revolution?
[12:01] <andrea_> !w32codecs
[12:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:01] <unix_infidel> fildo: and that STILL didnt work?
[12:02] <fildo> not at all
[12:03] <unix_infidel> if it doesnt work with linux for either card i'd guess that its a ap problem.
[12:03] <unix_infidel> but since it works with windows..i'm stumped, wither windows is automatically doing auto or just being plain stupid.
[12:03] <misieq> can i configure (or give some options to) audiocd:/ ? i want to encode an audiocd with --best quality but i'd like to use cddb too.
[12:03] <fildo> well in redhat with the firmware. i used to be able to change the settings
[12:03] <fildo> with kubuntu. im unable to ..
[12:04] <unix_infidel> fildo: then i'd recommend you rollback to either firmware that worked.
[12:04] <fildo> it works..but not to my specs.
[12:04] <unix_infidel> or upgrade to the latest firmware.
[12:04] <fildo> yeh i will attempt
[12:04] <fildo> fukn early model wifi thats why
[12:04] <misieq> or am i able to apply cddb data to encoded streams that are stored on hdd?
[12:04] <unix_infidel> however, if you're having the same problem with a seperate device with different drivers i dont quite understand.
[12:04] <fildo> mate did a ipw2200
[12:04] <dhq> Hawkwind: how do i configure my kubuntu to default
[12:05] <fildo> next to me with intall. worked fine
[12:05] <unix_infidel> dhq: ask the question to the channel, and be more specific.
[12:05] <unix_infidel> fildo: like i said, they are two COMPLETELy different chipsets.
[12:05] <fildo> yeh makes me wanna hock the lappy . n upgrade
[12:05] <dero> when i use adept manager it doesn't find any updates i can't install wine i can't search for wine...
[12:06] <unix_infidel> fildo: go into cmd and test out some of the output for the drivers that are associating to your spec in windows.
[12:06] <danny500> that's weird
[12:06] <unix_infidel> i'd put my money on a firmware issue (in which case, rollback or upgrade to latest)
[12:06] <unix_infidel> maybe try ndiswrapper.
[12:06] <dhq> unix_infidel: you see i installed xgl ok and then rebooted now my screen starts like 3inches below no mouse cursor the startbar is below the screen i use a laptop
[12:06] <danny500> just look up wine on google and install it off the internet
[12:06] <fildo> ok ill attempt n see what ver.
[12:06] <dero> mmk
[12:07] <fildo> n see if i can flash . or run like a script to flash it before it starts
[12:07] <nagyv> I would like to get an image from a word file. I tried Ctrl+c, Ctrl+v for Krita and Gimp too, but it didn't worked. How can I manage this?
[12:07] <unix_infidel> dhq: i apologize, i dont do XGL.  I dont run it, or know anything abou tit.
[12:07] <gnomefreak> !wine
[12:07] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:07] <fildo> thanks for ya help unix_infidel
[12:07] <danny500> I know that udotu!
[12:07] <dhq> Hawkwind: you see i installed xgl ok and then rebooted now my screen starts like 3inches below no mouse cursor the startbar is below the screen i use a laptop
[12:07] <unix_infidel> np, i'd just get an atheros card or a cisco aironet and be done with it.
[12:08] <nagyv> sorry it worked with gimp Acquire from paste, it was only very slow
[12:08] <unix_infidel> dhq: Hawkwind is asleep currently i think.
[12:08] <andrea_> my mp3's are playing...but i get no sound
[12:08] <unix_infidel> andrea_: ubuntu dapper?
[12:08] <danny500> Is your sound card compatible with linux?
[12:08] <andrea_> kubuntu 6.06.1
[12:09] <dhq> anyone: you see i installed xgl ok and then rebooted now my screen starts like 3inches below no mouse cursor the startbar is below the screen i use a laptop
[12:09] <andrea_> yes it is compatible
[12:09] <andrea_> i had sound on the live cd
[12:09] <eeos> andrea_ what card?
[12:09] <andrea_> i dont have it anymore in the installed version
[12:09] <unix_infidel> andrea_: i'd wager, artsd is interfering or you have an application that's taking up the sound node.
[12:09] <andrea_> its an onboard soundcard
[12:09] <danny500> reinstall it
[12:10] <danny500> there might have been an installation prob
[12:10] <unix_infidel> No, you do not need to reinstall.
[12:10] <andrea_> unix_infidel: i didnt understand much...
[12:10] <gnomefreak> dhq: you might get a better answer if you ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:10] <danny500> I had the same prob with my disk drive
[12:10] <nagyv> andrea_: do you get any error messages at startup?
[12:10] <eeos> andrea_ yes, but what card? please, do lspci -vv
[12:10] <andrea_> no i dont get errors
[12:10] <unix_infidel> andrea_: try running alsaconf and make sure that the module is loaded.
[12:10] <eeos> andrea_ and look for the sound card
[12:10] <unix_infidel> or dmesg | grep snd would work in helping us.
[12:11] <unix_infidel> make sure to post any output to pastebin, please
[12:11] <unix_infidel> !pastebin
[12:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:11] <andrea_> where is alsaconf
[12:11] <andrea_> konsole wont run it
[12:11] <danny500> Windows ROCKS!
[12:11] <eeos> andrea_ do lspci -vv and look for the sound card!
[12:11] <unix_infidel> andrea_: konsole says command not found/
[12:11] <andrea_> yes
[12:11] <andrea_> yes unix_infidel
[12:12] <eeos> andrea_ sudo alsaconf and sudo lspci -vv
[12:12] <unix_infidel> ^^^
[12:12] <andrea_> lspci -w says invalid option
[12:12] <danny500> do you guy's like memorize the lunix dictionary or something?
[12:13] <unix_infidel> danny500: if you've EVER used windows cmd you know all of this stuff is formulaic and pretty procedural.
[12:13] <danny500> lol. don't blow a gasket
[12:13] <dhq> !flood
[12:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:14] <unix_infidel> danny500: i dont blow gaskets, i blow ports :)
[12:14] <danny500> lol
[12:14] <eeos> andrea_ lspci - v v       not w
[12:14] <danny500> thats a good one
[12:14] <andrea_> i pasted in pastebin
[12:15] <danny500> You know what. If everyone in this room right now were to group up, you guy's could make amazing software.
[12:16] <andrea_> my mixer shows my USB Headset well.....
[12:16] <andrea_> and usually sound worked in previous ubuntu's
[12:16] <andrea_> and sound worked in the live-cd
[12:16] <andrea_> sound went off only when i installed to Hard drive
[12:16] <andrea_> sound files play with no errors...
[12:17] <danny500> you wanna know the fastest way to upgrade a Mac?
[12:17] <andrea_> throw it away
[12:17] <andrea_> and buy a new onw
[12:17] <andrea_> ?
[12:17] <danny500> throw it out and buy another one. lol
[12:18] <danny500> how did you know that? lol
[12:18] <andrea_> its at least five yrs old ;)
[12:18] <danny500> andrea_ is on the mouse ball
[12:18] <danny500> lol
[12:18] <andrea_> lol
[12:18] <dero> this is starting to annouy me. i can't find wine i adept manager
[12:18] <danny500> use google
[12:19] <danny500> "GOOGLE"
[12:19] <dero> i did they just all say to use the search in adept manager and it does nothen
[12:19] <danny500> "GOOGLE"
[12:19] <dero> i did
[12:19] <andrea_> dero:
[12:19] <andrea_> perhaps u need to enable some repositories
[12:19] <dero> yes
[12:19] <danny500> go to www.wine.com lol
[12:19] <dero> its winehq.com
[12:19] <andrea_> universe/multiverse
[12:19] <danny500> oh yeah
[12:19] <dero> and i'v been theer
[12:20] <danny500> dero
[12:20] <dero> yes
[12:20] <danny500> click the "System" menu button
[12:20] <dero> yup
[12:20] <danny500> go under administrative menu
[12:20] <andrea_> he wont have that button unless he;s on gnome
[12:21] <dero> i'm on kubuntu kde
[12:21] <danny500> and use the Software propertes program
[12:21] <danny500> oh
[12:21] <eeos> andrea_ where is the link to the pastebin?
[12:21] <danny500> right click
[12:22] <dero> ?
[12:22] <dero> right click where
[12:22] <eeos> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:22] <danny500> not you
[12:22] <andrea_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22801
[12:22] <dero> ok
[12:22] <danny500> don't worry I flood chat rooms all the time
[12:22] <dero> anyone care to help me
[12:22] <andrea_> dero
[12:22] <andrea_> ok
[12:23] <andrea_> can u start Adept?
[12:23] <dero> yes
[12:23] <dero> started
[12:23] <danny500> it didn't work for him
[12:23] <andrea_> and if u search for Wine...nothing comes up?
[12:23] <eeos> that is your card: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:23] <dero> says filtering
[12:23] <dero> wine is not on the list so they all just go away
[12:23] <eeos> andrea_ did you get a look to alsa documentation?
[12:24] <andrea_> ok dero....then u need to add repositories....
[12:24] <eeos> andrea_ what version of alsa do you have?
[12:24] <danny500> use you software properties program
[12:24] <dero> hwo do i do that
[12:24] <andrea_> View/Manage Repositories
[12:24] <andrea_> eeos: no idea
[12:24] <dero> in adept?
[12:24] <andrea_> yes
[12:24] <danny500> open all the repositories
[12:24] <dero> do i add deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[12:24] <andrea_> u need the FULL adept...not the Add/Remove
[12:24] <eeos> andrea_ please do cat /proc/asound/version
[12:25] <eeos> andrea_ in konsole
[12:25] <dero> how do i get the FULL one den
[12:25] <andrea_> ie....Start/Run COmmand...and run adept
[12:25] <Empiric> hai my keyboard is not workin in kubuntu
[12:25] <andrea_> eeos: ok
[12:25] <dero> ah right...
[12:25] <dero> ?
[12:25] <danny500> then how did you just type that message?
[12:25] <andrea_> cat /proc/asound/version
[12:25] <andrea_> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc3 (Mon Nov 07 13:30:21 2005 UTC).
[12:26] <eeos> andrea_ ta!
[12:26] <andrea_> ta!?
[12:26] <Infecto> hello
[12:26] <Infecto> Failed to fetch http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.17.5-1_all.deb  404 Not Found
[12:26] <eeos> andrea_ thanks you!
[12:26] <dero> means thanks
[12:26] <andrea_> dero: you with me?
[12:26] <dero> ta means thanks
[12:26] <dero> no
[12:26] <danny500> Empiric: if you keyboard don't work, then how did you just tell use that?
[12:26] <misieq> !gnome
[12:26] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[12:26] <andrea_> K Button....Run COmmand
[12:27] <dero> i have open adept manager and i am in new repositorys
[12:27] <misieq> is gnome 2.16 already available to dapper x86?
[12:27] <dero> ok i am in run command
[12:27] <danny500> your download manager should tell you that
[12:27] <andrea_> now type adept
[12:27] <dero> ok
[12:27] <dero> done
[12:27] <Empiric> well its working in windows
[12:27] <andrea_> and run it
[12:27] <Empiric> then might be kubuntu issue
[12:27] <danny500> o ok
[12:27] <Empiric> what should i check for
[12:28] <andrea_> it might ask for a password
[12:28] <dero> ok?
[12:28] <danny500> reinstall kubuntu
[12:28] <dero> what did that do it jsut ran it again
[12:28] <eeos> andrea_ go to directory /alsa-driver-xxxx//alsa-kernel/Documentation/Alsa-configuration.txt
[12:28] <danny500> dero: if it asks for a password use you system password you gave the computer
[12:28] <Infecto> my apt cant get this package from tomorow night
[12:28] <Infecto> can somebody help me ? ( edgy )
[12:28] <andrea_> dero: now search for wine here
[12:28] <dero> yes i am in adept manager again..?
[12:29] <dero> didn't work
[12:29] <andrea_> ok
[12:29] <andrea_> now
[12:29] <danny500> type "Wine" in the search bar
[12:29] <andrea_> View
[12:29] <andrea_> click View...and Click Manage repositories
[12:29] <dero> ok
[12:29] <dero> yup
[12:29] <danny500> enable all repositories
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> Hey, is there anyway to see WHAT is accessing my HD? it seems there's a consistent read or write to my HD (activity light + loud HD)?
[12:30] <andrea_> eeos: no such file or directorry
[12:30] <danny500> then search "Wine"
[12:30] <dero> how do i "enable all repositories"
[12:30] <andrea_> dero: View Manage repositories....
[12:30] <andrea_> then right click on the grey ones...and click enable
[12:30] <danny500> yes
[12:30] <dero> ahh!
[12:30] <dero> i see now
[12:30] <dero> thanks
[12:31] <andrea_> before searching
[12:31] <danny500> now search Wine
[12:31] <Infecto> some chanel for developers ?
[12:31] <andrea_> update it
[12:31] <andrea_> Fetch Updates
[12:31] <dero> ok
[12:31] <dero> hold on
[12:31] <Electrolyte> Goodness sake, this is annoying me.
[12:32] <dero> didn't do anything
[12:33] <danny500> what annoying you? Elect?
[12:33] <Electrolyte> Kubuntu keeps dropping my connection.
[12:33] <danny500> lol
[12:33] <Electrolyte> May have just fixed it, not 100% sure :/
[12:33] <danny500> how old you router?
[12:34] <dero> andrea i right click on them and enable them then i go to fetch updates and then to see they all go grey again
[12:34] <Electrolyte> It's a PC router - and it's running Kubuntu with firestarter.
[12:34] <Electrolyte> That system is fine.
[12:34] <eeos> andrea_ you can upgrade manually your alsa, follow instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto, and subsitute the instructions for hda intel to the instructions for our card
[12:34] <danny500> turn firestarter off
[12:34] <Electrolyte> I think it was because this system had default gateway blank, and not set to 192.168.0.1
[12:35] <danny500> you do know it's a firewall
[12:35] <Electrolyte> No, because then I'll lose the connection.
[12:35] <Electrolyte> Yes.
[12:35] <Electrolyte> And a router.
[12:35] <eeos> sorry,  andrea_  you can upgrade manually your alsa, follow instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto, and subsitute the instructions for hda intel to the instructions for our card
[12:35] <Electrolyte> It's on the OTHER PC, NOT this one.
[12:35] <danny500> it is?
[12:35] <Electrolyte> Yes.
[12:35] <dero> BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:35] <andrea_> eeos: will it fix it?
[12:35] <danny500> learn new usless things every day
[12:35] <eeos> andrea_ I am not 100% sure
[12:35] <andrea_> y do i get sound on livecd run...and not on hard drive install?
[12:36] <eeos> andrea_ but the new version had lot of bugfixes
[12:36] <andrea_> so i cant update alsa with adept?
[12:36] <ubuntu_> hmm, anybody knowing, why neither the kubuntu-installer nor the live-system from dvd does recognize my second SATA-harddisc?
[12:36] <eeos> andrea_ I thought the problem was your usb headset as well
[12:36] <eeos> andrea_ not to the very last stable version
[12:37] <eeos> andrea_ alsa 1.0.12
[12:37] <ubuntu_> i wanted to install kubuntu on it...
[12:37] <dero> "so i cant update alsa with adept?" no! that program is evil!
[12:37] <andrea_> yes...i had sound in my usb headset
[12:38] <andrea_> and i used to have sound in older versions of kubuntu
[12:38] <andrea_> so i doubt its an alsa thing
[12:38] <eeos> have you run sudo alsamixer and put the volumne of the headset to 80%?
[12:39] <andrea_> eeos: how can i change the sound device in alsa mixer...its showing the intel one....
[12:39] <dero> EVIL PROGRAM EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:40] <eeos> andrea_ well, you have an intel card so it should show an intel device really
[12:40] <eeos> andrea_ :D
[12:40] <andrea_> i have my seinhesier USB headset too
[12:40] <eeos> andrea_ you have run sudo alsamixer
[12:40] <andrea_> and the KDE mixer shows it
[12:41] <eeos> andrea_ and then selct the channnel related to your headsets, activate it (switch it to on if it is off) and then put the volume to, say, 80%
[12:42] <andrea_> the headset is a separate sound device
[12:42] <andrea_> it doesnt use the intel sound chip
[12:42] <dero> can somoene help me.
[12:42] <eeos> andrea_  yes but alsamixer decides the volume in output
[12:43] <eeos> dero about?
[12:43] <andrea_> eeos: volume is up
[12:43] <eeos> andrea_ sorry? how can it be a separate sound device? does it not use the output of your sound card?
[12:43] <dero> i haven trouble updating adept manager to isntall my wine
[12:43] <dero> install*
[12:44] <dero> i'm trying to download wine through adept manager..
[12:44] <eeos> dero and?
[12:44] <dero> it doesn't show it there in a package :(
[12:44] <dero> i can't download it because its not there
[12:44] <andrea_> eeos: its not just a pair of headphones...its got its own driver and sound system...it is listed as another sound output device
[12:44] <Jucato> dero: have you enabled the "universe" repository?
[12:44] <eeos> dero did you add the repository?
[12:45] <eeos> andrea_ well, I was missing that!
[12:45] <dero> i tryed adding them half of them went black did it work
[12:45] <andrea_> now
[12:45] <eeos> andrea_ what is the output of lsusb?
[12:45] <eeos> dero sorry?
[12:45] <Jucato> what went black?
[12:46] <eeos> dero what went black?
[12:46] <andrea_> !pastebin
[12:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:46] <dero> "dero did you add the repository?" right click add they go block
[12:46] <eeos> Jucato sorry :D
[12:46] <Jucato> eeos: what are you apologizing for? :)
[12:46] <Jucato> dero: try reading this page about adding/enabling Universe and Multiverse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:47] <andrea_> eeos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22803
[12:47] <dero> htanks
[12:47] <dero> thanks*
[12:47] <eeos> Jucato there was some echo in the room :D
[12:47] <Jucato> heh
[12:47] <Jucato> btw, were you the one looking for a testing repo for Kubuntu?
[12:47] <eeos> andrea_ which one are the headsets?
[12:48] <eeos> Jucato yes
[12:48] <Jucato> ah. Edgy comes out last week of October...
[12:48] <andrea_> they're not showing there apparently...but the show in the mixer
[12:48] <eeos> Jucato I tried enabling edgy eft, but the packages i was interested in were not there (yet)
[12:48] <Jucato> twinkle is here. an updated version
[12:48] <eeos> andrea_ it could be a usb problem then, beacuse they are not properly read
[12:48] <andrea_> i.e. KMix shows it as a separate device
[12:49] <Jucato> eeos: but you shouldn't mix repos, though...
[12:49] <andrea_> i'll restartr
[12:49] <eeos> andrea_ were tehy plugged in when you did lsusb?
[12:49] <andrea_> yes they're plugged 24/7
[12:49] <eeos> Jucato I am not goig to
[12:49] <Jucato> :)
[12:50] <eeos> andrea_ it is very strange thyt the lsusb command does not read them then,
[12:50] <dero> oh woaw its doign stuff now
[12:50] <eeos> andrea_ unless support for these headsets is still buggy
[12:50] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:50] <dero> :)
[12:51] <eeos> Jucato thanks for suggestions. Maybe I crate chroot with edgay eft in it, just for testing purposes
[12:51] <andrea_> eeos: yeah...let me restart my pc
[12:51] <Jucato> eeos: probably a better idea :)
[12:51] <eeos> Jucato :D with dchroot -d xxxxx you can run anything in it more or less as you would run another application
[12:52] <eeos> ops I have to go, see you later then
[12:52] <eeos> Jucato thanks for helping
[12:52] <lplatypus_> hmm when I scan for digital TV channels (DVB) in kaffeine, it channels from one broadcaster (ABC Sydney) which I know is working in Windows... anyone else tried this?
[12:53] <lplatypus_> I meant to say "it misses channels from one broadcaster"..
[12:54] <misieq> anyone here knows how to resolve the issue with data being copied too fast(?) to memory stick? i have w800i sony ericsson mobile and when i connect it via dcu-60 and try to copy things to the phone the copy dialog appears only for a sec ] 
[12:55] <misieq> displays that it copied all the data but in phone there is only "header" of the first file
[12:55] <andrea_> xine unable to initialize audio drivers
[12:58] <andrea_> need help: xine unable to initialize audio drivers
[12:59] <Electrolyte> Anyone able to help? Some reason my other machine just lost it's internet connection and I can't get it back (it's connected to this via a crossover cable and firestarter is running).
[12:59] <andrea_> or at least...i get system sounds...mp3's seem to play...but no sound comes out
[12:59] <misieq> andrea_: try to configure engine to play to /dev/dsp
[01:00] <andrea_> ermm.how?
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> Ugh, kde's lame media:/, system:/, etc are really annoying when their own apps don't even support them, so drag and drop between konq and some app don't work.
[01:00] <misieq> in xine preferences in audio
[01:01] <misieq> LeeJunFan: it works only with kio aware apps
[01:01] <andrea_> Sound and Multimedia?
[01:01] <misieq> LeeJunFan: it means you can drag and drop between konq, kommander, amarok, and many others
[01:01] <Electrolyte> Anyone?
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> misieq: doesn't make it any less annoying. Why they couldn't have it use real path's I don't know.
[01:02] <misieq> LeeJunFan: you can always use a real path, unlike in gnome
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> misieq: you could drag real filesystem paths between many apps that weren't kio aware.
[01:02] <misieq> post it as kde4 brainstorm
[01:02] <misieq> andrea_: in xine alt+s
[01:03] <misieq> and "audio" tab
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> misieq: I just don't understand why break the standards that have been working fine for some 40+ years in unix.
[01:03] <Electrolyte> No one able to help me with this networking issue then?
[01:03] <misieq> andrea_: or choose another sound driver
[01:04] <andrea_> not xine player
[01:04] <andrea_> i dont use xine player
[01:04] <andrea_> i'm using amarok
[01:04] <andrea_> and it uses xine engine apparently
[01:04] <misieq> LeeJunFan: go to kde-look.org and post "dragging real system paths when dragging to kio not-aware apps"
[01:05] <misieq> andrea_: that's why you have to configure xine engine and you do it in xine.
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> misieq: I will in a bit.
[01:05] <andrea_> i dont have xine
[01:06] <misieq> andrea_: then look in ~/.xine
[01:07] <andrea_> i'll install xine-ui
[01:10] <andrea_> i am in the catalog file misieq
[01:11] <andrea_> misieq: i am in the catalog.cache file
[01:11] <misieq> andrea_: you don't wan't that i think... you need config
[01:11] <andrea_> config?
[01:11] <andrea_> ok how do i get config
[01:12] <misieq> ~/.xine/config
[01:12] <andrea_> i dont have config
[01:12] <misieq> hmmm... had you run xine?
[01:13] <andrea_> i just ran xine--ui
[01:13] <misieq> try starting xine, perhaps it has to create it
[01:13] <wenjy> Tonio_: YEs :) merci tonio!
[01:13] <andrea_> can i configure now?
[01:13] <misieq> andrea_: alt+s
[01:13] <andrea_> ok
[01:13] <andrea_> i am in the menus
[01:13] <misieq> change knowledge level to the highest level
[01:13] <andrea_> now what?
[01:13] <misieq> go to audio tab
[01:13] <misieq> what driver do you have?
[01:14] <andrea_> not listing any driver
[01:14] <andrea_> a52 dynamic range
[01:14] <andrea_> a52 downlmix
[01:14] <andrea_> speaker configuration
[01:14] <misieq> you have an empty list of drivers or you don't have the lista at all?
[01:14] <andrea_> no list
[01:14] <misieq> have you changed the knowledge level in main tab?
[01:15] <andrea_> wait
[01:15] <andrea_> i changed level now
[01:15] <andrea_> audio driver is auto
[01:15] <misieq> change to alse
[01:15] <andrea_> do i use alsa?
[01:15] <andrea_> ok
[01:15] <misieq> s/alse/alasa/
[01:15] <misieq> damn.
[01:15] <misieq> alsa
[01:15] <Diuneimama> Hi anyone can help me in skim?
[01:16] <andrea_> done
[01:16] <misieq> andrea_: device.alsa_mixer_name ?
[01:16] <akarticle> can anyone tell me how to install a hp deskjet 3420 printer. I used the printer wizard in system settings but got the collowing error message even though i was logged in as admin
[01:16] <akarticle> ou should already have a printer service setup in ubuntu by default (cups, common unix printing interface). You can go do
[01:16] <andrea_> misieq:  Master
[01:16] <akarticle> Unable to load the requested driver:
[01:16] <akarticle> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_3420,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[01:16] <misieq> try restarting xine and load some mp3 to it
[01:17] <andrea_> i restarted
[01:17] <andrea_> but i dont want to play mp3s in xine
[01:17] <misieq> you want to play mp3s with xine engine. if xine plays these all apps using xine engine will play mp3s
[01:18] <scheuri> andrea_: you are able to choose the favorite app to play mp3s in the KDE konfiguration....
[01:18] <andrea_> ok one sec
[01:18] <misieq> andrea_: does xine play mp3s for you?
[01:19] <andrea_> yes it played
[01:19] <misieq> then quit it, restart amarok
[01:19] <andrea_> okies
[01:19] <misieq> and tell if it works with mp3s now?
[01:20] <andrea_> yes it played!!!!
[01:20] <andrea_> :)
[01:20] <andrea_> thanks alot!
[01:20] <misieq> andrea_: good for you
[01:20] <andrea_> misieq: shouldnt this be easier to do for newbies? :(
[01:21] <Diuneimama> anyone can help me in skim?
[01:21] <misieq> andrea_: at a second glance i've noticed there was an option to select default audio drvier in amarok itself... perhaps all one has to do is to change it to alsa
[01:21] <andrea_> misieq: i did that
[01:21] <andrea_> didnt work before
[01:22] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:22] <misieq> andrea_: maybe xine engine needs xine then? no idea, as i use xine and haven't tested it that much...
[01:23] <andrea_> misieq: i guess so....but strange that nobody noticed this bug
[01:23] <misieq> andrea and i guess you've followed !mp3 ?
[01:23] <gan|y|med> my kde needs 30 seconds from pressing the logout button to actually loggin out. is there a way to shorten this?
[01:23] <andrea_> yes i did
[01:23] <andrea_> !mpe
[01:23] <andrea_> !mp3
[01:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:24] <andrea_> those 3 links
[01:24] <misieq> maybe they will post it there one day...
[01:24] <misieq> the other explaination could be that they wanted newbies to be more active in irc ;P
[01:25] <andrea_> lol
[01:25] <andrea_> i'm happy now :D
[01:25] <andrea_> everytinh else seems to work well
[01:25] <Electrolyte> Can ANYONE help me with this networking issue? Kubuntu doesn't detect any internet connection either through my PC router (this machine) or even if it's plugged straight into the modem.
[01:25] <andrea_> i'll still need windows for games though...rite?
[01:25] <Tonio_> wenjy: attends maintenant faut discutter pour que ca passe
[01:25] <misieq> andrea_: you can use wine
[01:25] <Tonio_> ca n'enchante pas tout le monde
[01:26] <misieq> !french
[01:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:26] <andrea_> but not everything works on wine
[01:26] <andrea_> just specific apps
[01:26] <misieq> andrea_: that's a bit right
[01:26] <Tonio_> wengy http://www.planetemu.net/capture1.png http://www.planetemu.net/capture2.png
[01:26] <andrea_> np...i can live wit that
[01:26] <Tonio_> wenjy: here is the result, but not everyone appeaciates this
[01:26] <misieq> andrea_: there are ways to get cedega...
[01:27] <misieq> cedega is more game-oriented wine
[01:27] <andrea_> cedega is a better wine rite?
[01:27] <andrea_> and there crossover
[01:27] <Tonio_> wengy http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture2.png sorry :)
[01:27] <misieq> yes
[01:27] <misieq> but these two have different goals
[01:27] <andrea_> wot about directX?
[01:28] <misieq> cedega is a wine pulled from cvs and developed by some guys to give compatibility with games while crossover aims for office apps (mainly ms office)
[01:28] <misieq> wine translates directx to opengl afaik
[01:28] <andrea_> misieq: yep...i had read about them.....
[01:28] <andrea_> misieq: doesnt that translation slow things down a little
[01:29] <Diuneimama> !pastebin
[01:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:29] <andrea_> for....top notch games
[01:29] <misieq> andrea_: it does but not that much
[01:29] <misieq> moreover many games natively support opengl
[01:29] <misieq> (like warcraft 3 :D)
[01:29] <andrea_> lolll
[01:29] <Electrolyte> I just checked if the system is connected to the router - ping works, the router can talk to the other machine but it hasn't got an internet connection.
[01:30] <misieq> i've experienced war3 with windows and cedega and i could say it had run faster with cedega ;)
[01:30] <Electrolyte> I know it isn't the router because plugging it straight into the model doesn't work either.
[01:30] <Electrolyte> Any ideas what's causing this?
[01:30] <andrea_> i mite check it out one day
[01:30] <Diuneimama> heya people, im having problem with skim. this is my problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22805
[01:30] <Electrolyte> model = model*
[01:30] <Electrolyte> modem***
[01:30] <Electrolyte> GR.
[01:30] <andrea_> for now i like the..."install...play" thing :)
[01:30] <misieq> Electrolyte: dhcp?
[01:30] <misieq> andrea_: point2play?
[01:31] <andrea_> no
[01:31] <andrea_> as in...
[01:31] <andrea_> its easy on windows wrt games
[01:31] <Electrolyte> Don't need it - the PC router can ping the machine.
[01:31] <andrea_> and pixel shading...works a tad better on windows driver
[01:31] <misieq> Electrolyte: could you please post your config again?
[01:32] <Electrolyte> As in, how the systems are networked?
[01:32] <misieq> yes
[01:32] <Electrolyte> Cable model is plugged into this machine, this machine acts as a PC router (it's running Kubuntu with Firestarter) and shares the internet connection via a cross over cable to my main PC.
[01:33] <misieq> !firestarter
[01:33] <Electrolyte> The PC router and main PC can ping each other, but the main PC has no internet connection - even if it is plugged into the modem directly, it doesn't work.
[01:33] <misieq> Electrolyte: wait a sec
[01:35] <misieq> what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/<yourmodemhere>/forwarding" give?
[01:35] <Electrolyte> On which machine?
[01:35] <andrea_> !ntfs
[01:36] <misieq> Electrolyte: gateway
[01:36] <misieq> Electrolyte: and what is firestarter?
[01:36] <gan|y|med> so why is kde so slow when logging out/powering off (and i mean only kde, not the whole shutdown process)? is this a kde "problem", x server related or (quiet possible, because it's ati) driver related?
[01:36] <Electrolyte> firewall & router.
[01:37] <Electrolyte> Erm, that command doesn't work.
[01:37] <misieq> Electrolyte: ahhh... sth like shorewall? gui-like to iptables?
[01:37] <Electrolyte> I'm on a cable modem.
[01:37] <Electrolyte> Yeah.
[01:37] <misieq> Electrolyte: did you substitute your modem iface name in path?
[01:38] <Electrolyte> It just comes back with "1"
[01:38] <misieq> that's good
[01:38] <misieq> and "sudo iptables -L"?
[01:39] <Electrolyte> Erm, what part do you need? It's a huge list.
[01:39] <misieq> !pastebin
[01:40] <misieq> well... nevermind.. i'll just ask if i have to
[01:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:40] <grizzly> Is there a beagle like search app that would index only filename(locate style)?
[01:40] <misieq> grizzly: that's locate
[01:40] <grizzly> I would use locate but it has that directory problem
[01:41] <misieq> grizzly: ?
[01:41] <grizzly> if it finds a directory withthe same name
[01:41] <grizzly> then it lists all the files under that directory :(
[01:41] <misieq> Electrolyte: maybe you could "sudo iptable -P FORWARD ACCEPT"?
[01:42] <grizzly> say "locate opera" lists opera/somefile opera/anotherfile ... opera/thehundredthfile
[01:42] <misieq> grizzly: you can use it with sed/awk/grep or whetever to trail only the dirs or whatever...
[01:42] <Electrolyte> sudo: iptable: command not found
[01:42] <misieq> s/iptable/iptables/
[01:42] <grizzly> misieq: how?
[01:43] <Electrolyte> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22806
[01:43] <Electrolyte> That's the IP tables.
[01:43] <misieq> grizzly: errr... i'm not good in regexps, but if you wan't to cut out dirs you would have to remove lines ending with "/"
[01:44] <misieq> Electrolyte: that command with -P would pass *ever* packet that is forwarded, so be cautious with it
[01:45] <misieq> s/ever/every/
[01:45] <Electrolyte> But it isn't this machine I have the trouble with....
[01:45] <misieq> Electrolyte: but if you can ping the gateway then the problem is with forwarding packets
[01:45] <Electrolyte> As I said, even if I plug the model straight into the other machine (the one with the problem) it STILL doesn't detect the internet connection.
[01:45] <Electrolyte> modem**
[01:46] <NeoChucky> grizzly:
[01:46] <misieq> Electrolyte: ahh...
[01:46] <NeoChucky> try using regular expressions
[01:46] <NeoChucky> like: "locate -r firefox$"
[01:46] <NeoChucky> $ = "end of line"
[01:47] <grizzly> NeoChucky: THat worked!
[01:47] <NeoChucky> so, it doesn't finds .../firefox/...a-lot-of-files
[01:47] <grizzly> Thanks, now "locate -r OPERA" works exactly as it should be :)
[01:47] <misieq> Electrolyte: and you sure your network adapter with this pc is working?
[01:47] <Electrolyte> Yes, I tried a second NIC and it still refused to pick the inet up.
[01:48] <grizzly> ohno ! it doesn't :(
[01:48] <NeoChucky> grizzly: but be careful with special chars of regexp's, like dot (.)
[01:48] <grizzly> now it leaves out files like opear6.ini
[01:48] <Diuneimama> anyone here know about skim?
[01:48] <misieq> Electrolyte: what sys do you run on the client?
[01:49] <Electrolyte> Kubuntu Dapper.
[01:49] <NeoChucky> try this other: locate -r firefox[^/] 
[01:49] <Electrolyte> Which was actually working fine an hour ago, until the inet died, came back up, died again then went completely off
[01:50] <NeoChucky> firefox + "anything(^) but /"
[01:51] <misieq> Electrolyte: and dhclient?
[01:51] <Electrolyte> ?
[01:51] <NeoChucky> grizzly: does it work?
[01:52] <grizzly> NeoChucky: nope, that gives 0 results
[01:52] <misieq> so you can ping gateway from client. right?
[01:52] <NeoChucky> grizzly: for me it works
[01:53] <grizzly> ah! the problem is that I am using zsh
[01:53] <grizzly> It works in bash perfectly
[01:53] <grizzly> I guess something must be wrong at my end, I'll look around, thanks a lot NeoChucky
[01:53] <Electrolyte> Ok, client can't ping the gateway.
[01:54] <Electrolyte> First ping on the gateway worked then the other 3 died :s
[01:54] <NeoChucky> the important thing is the trailing [^/] 
[01:54] <Electrolyte> Now they can't ping each other at all.
[01:54] <misieq> Electrolyte: that would seem to be a problem with wiring i think
[01:55] <Electrolyte> I'll restart the other PC and enable the other NIC.
[01:55] <grizzly> locate -r opera\[^/]  - Works in zsh! :D
[01:55] <NeoChucky> grizzly: maybe you should escape [, that is!
[01:56] <NeoChucky> try this one:
[01:56] <NeoChucky> locate -r 'opera[^/] '
[01:56] <grizzly> that works too!
[01:57] <NeoChucky> ok, and it works in bash also
[01:57] <NeoChucky> '' escape anything inside them.
[01:59] <main2> anyone here using xgl?
[02:01] <grizzly> NeoChucky: Try this :D   locate -r 'opera[^/] ' | grep opera --color=always
[02:02] <Electrolyte> misieq: Now they can ping each other using the other NIC, but still no inet.
[02:02] <NeoChucky> looks good! :) I didn't know the color option for grep
[02:03] <NeoChucky> grizzly: by the way, if you feel interested about regular expressions
[02:03] <NeoChucky> try: man regex    (a bit heavy)
[02:03] <Electrolyte> misieq: That link I posted has the IPTables.
[02:03] <NeoChucky> or utilities like regexplorer or regexxer
[02:03] <Electrolyte> Should say in there if it isn't sharing or not.
[02:04] <grizzly> ok, Will play
[02:06] <tristan_> hello
[02:06] <tristan_> IS it possible to run gnome-applets under KDE? And if so, how?
[02:07] <Jucato> gnome-applets? do you mean gDesklets? or the applets on the panel?
[02:07] <main2> anyone here using xgl?
[02:07] <zepelin> hi
[02:07] <zepelin> I need some help with kubuntu
[02:07] <zepelin> can anyone help me please?
[02:07] <NeoChucky> tristan_: I've asked myself that question many times :-(
[02:08] <tristan_> Jucato, I mean for example cpufreq-selector
[02:08] <tristan_> ask zepelin
[02:08] <zepelin> ok now I will explain my problem
[02:08] <tristan_> NeoChucky, and did you figure any answer?
[02:08] <NeoChucky> no, I haven't
[02:08] <zepelin> I've recently installed my kubuntu and I need to install gcc
[02:08] <tristan_> NeoChucky, too bad :(
[02:08] <Jucato> tristan_: where does that go? on the panel or on the desktop? Either way, I don't think gDesklets can run (properly) on KDE, nor can you use the panel applets on Kicker (KDE Panel)
[02:09] <zepelin> but I don't now how to do it because I can't use ./configure
[02:09] <NeoChucky> Jucato: I think he says in the panel
[02:09] <tristan_> Shouldn't gcc be already installed?
[02:09] <tristan_> NeoChucky, that's right
[02:09] <Jucato> tristan_: no it's not...
[02:09] <zepelin> that's the problem, I don't have gcc in my kubuntu O.o
[02:10] <Jucato> zepelin: you need to install a package called "build-essential" this will install everything that you need to compile stuff
[02:10] <NeoChucky> Gnome has very good panel applets, and just if they could be launched as systray applets... It would be wonderful
[02:10] <zepelin> "build essential"?
[02:10] <tristan_> then zepelin, do a sudo apt-get install gcc
[02:10] <Jucato> tristan_: the gnome-applets, unfortunately, rely on gnome-panel.
[02:10] <Jucato> tristan_: even if he installed gcc, he will still be missing the other things that he would need to compile
[02:10] <Jucato> zepelin: build-essential
[02:10] <NeoChucky> If somebody could write a panel-to-systray proxy... :)
[02:11] <tristan_> Jucato, he's sayiong he cannot comile gcc, no?
[02:11] <zepelin> ok, thanks Jucato
[02:11] <Jucato> zepelin: you can install it from Adept or using "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:11] <zepelin> I need to download build-essential?
[02:11] <Jucato> zepelin: yes.
[02:11] <zepelin> ok
[02:12] <zepelin> then, I think I also need the gnu make to install gcc
[02:12] <Jucato> tristan_: build-essential installs the basic things you need to compile, including the proper version of GCC
[02:12] <zepelin>  oh ok
[02:12] <Jucato> zepelin: build-essential will install that too
[02:12] <myosotis> hi all..
[02:12] <zepelin> ok, thanks Jucato
[02:13] <myosotis> any linux guru have time to answer a question?
[02:13] <tristan_> ok, then no possibility to use gnome applets under KDE.
[02:13] <tristan_> Here they says that it has been possible for ages... : http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/openoffice/2006-March/001668.html
[02:13] <zepelin> oops another question!
[02:13] <Electrolyte> How do I look at the syslog?
[02:13] <Electrolyte> Can't get DHCP to work.
[02:13] <Jucato> myosotis: ask away. if anyone around could answer, they will try...
[02:14] <zepelin> how can I install build essential?
[02:14] <zepelin> oh ok
[02:14] <myosotis> Jucato: ok. i'll try =)
[02:14] <zepelin> thanks, bye :D
[02:15] <Jucato> tristan_: hmm.. give me a few moments to read through that
[02:16] <myosotis> im trying to change locale on my ubuntu server. i installed the server with us locales but i also added the se_SE locale at install, now i want to change locale to se_SE-ISO8859-12 but i cannot find how to do that..
[02:18] <Jucato> tristan_: I might have misinterpreted what you meant by "applet". What I meant by applet is the kind of applets that you add on the GNOME panel by right-clicking on the panel and selecting Add to Panel. Those, AFAIK, are stricly GNOME.
[02:18] <Jucato> there might be apps, however, that would probably run on the KDE Panel as well.
[02:19] <Jucato> Then again, there are GNOME/GTK apps that would be able to put themselves on the system tray, like GAIM.
[02:19] <tristan_> Jucato, I'm speaking of this particular gnome-applets. Sorry the page is in French but I'm sure you'll figure what I'm talking about : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=23689
[02:20] <Jucato> myosotis: I'm not exactly sure, but you can try changing the Locale in System Settings > Regional & Accessbility > Country/Region & Language
[02:20] <Jucato> !gnome-applets
[02:21] <ubotu> gnome-applets: Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 383 kB, installed size 984 kB
[02:21] <Jucato> by that description alone, I'd say, no.
[02:21] <myosotis> Jucato: well, i just installed the base system, so there isn't any GUI . so ill have to do it from bash
[02:21] <Jucato> myosotis: ah... ok that complicates things...
[02:21] <myosotis>  /shell
[02:21] <Jucato> heh, BASH is the Linux shell :)
[02:21] <myosotis> Jucato: i've noticed that ;)
[02:22] <myosotis> Jucato: well i'm a noob so =) have patience =)
[02:22] <Jucato> hm...
[02:22] <Electrolyte> Anyone able to continue helping me with this IPtable problem?
[02:22] <Jucato> whoa... a new user making a base install/no GUI... you are brave :)
[02:22] <Electrolyte> Both of my machines can ping each other, but no internet connection is being shared.
[02:23] <CarD> Bonjour  tous!!!
[02:24] <tristan_> salut CarD
[02:24] <myosotis> Jucato: thanx =)
[02:24] <CarD> salut
[02:24] <CarD> j'ai une question pour les linuxiens que vous tes
[02:24] <Jucato> !fr
[02:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:24] <tristan_> !fr
[02:24] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:24] <CarD> pensez vous que kubuntu-ubuntu est pret pour etre install sur chaque machine client?
[02:25] <tristan_> CarD, suit ce que dit ubotu vas sur #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[02:25] <CarD> c fait
[02:25] <Jucato> heh... :)
[02:25] <CarD> merci on dirais qu'on porte la peste ... tu parles francais? dehors!
[02:26] <tristan_> CarD, c'est juste que si tout le monde parle n'imprte quelle langue ici ca devient le bordel. y a -fr poiur les francophones, -de pour les germanophones etc...
[02:26] <CarD> tristan_
[02:26] <CarD> je vais ouvrir une boite
[02:26] <myosotis> Jucato: i found instructions on the web on how to do it, but i think it doesnt work. the instructions i found said that i should do a "sudo dpkg-rreconfigure locales" and there select my preferred locale but i dont get to choose anything. i interpreted the instructions as to display a choice but the only thing the line does is to check if the locales are ut to date.
[02:26] <CarD> et sur chaque nouvelle machine il y aura une distrib prconfig
[02:27] <tristan_> CarD, go to #kubuntu-fr
[02:28] <Electrolyte> How the hell can this command be permission denied if I'm using sudo1?!
[02:28] <Jucato> Electrolyte: what command?
[02:28] <Electrolyte> sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[02:28] <Jucato> myosotis: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" (single "r")
[02:29] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: you are running echo as root
[02:29] <myosotis> Jucato: that was a typo =)
[02:29] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: not the whole thing
[02:29] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[02:29] <Jucato> myosotis: ah
[02:29] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: sudo "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[02:29] <JohnFlux> i think
[02:29] <Electrolyte> Ah
[02:29] <Electrolyte> sudo: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: command not found
[02:30] <Electrolyte> Some wiki then.
[02:30] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: yeah it's trying to run the whole thing as a command
[02:31] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: it's annoying
[02:31] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: which wiki?
[02:31] <Electrolyte> Ubuntu wiki.
[02:31] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: the best guide to nat is my own ;-)
[02:31] <Electrolyte> For trying to get internet sharing to work.
[02:31] <Electrolyte> Well firestarter isn't working.
[02:31] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: google for masquerading made simple
[02:31] <Electrolyte> Ok, ty.
[02:33] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: what's the url for the kubuntu guide?
[02:33] <Electrolyte> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing
[02:34] <samovian> Hello, Newbie in KDE. How can i get 2 toolbars on my desktop (ubuntu human style)
[02:35] <JohnFlux> sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[02:35] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: i'm changing it to that ^^
[02:35] <JohnFlux> when it loads :/
[02:35] <Jucato> myosotis: sorry I couldn't find a file that answers your question. maybe you could ask again in a few seconds if someone who just came in might now the answer...
[02:37] <Electrolyte> JohnFlux - I can't get your guide to work either.
[02:37] <Electrolyte> Same problem - permission denied :/
[02:37] <Electrolyte> This is just getting stupid - all I want is to share a damn internet connection to one PC and it takes about 2 hours to get nowhere.
[02:37] <JohnFlux> wtf
[02:37] <JohnFlux> i just told him what to do
[02:38] <myosotis> Jucato: thanx anyway :)
[02:38] <Jucato> try asking JohnFlux, he might know something
[02:38] <JohnFlux> hmm who what?
[02:38] <Jucato> :P
[02:39] <JohnFlux> sudo dpkg-rreconfigure  -plow locales
[02:39] <abattoir> Jucato: hehe
[02:39] <JohnFlux> if i am interpreting the problem right
[02:39] <Jucato> err... you copied the typo?
[02:39] <abattoir> Jucato: i thought you were going to sleep ?
[02:39] <JohnFlux> i did :/
[02:40] <JohnFlux> sudo dpkg-reconfigure  -plow locales
[02:40] <Jucato> oh ask abattoir!! ask abattoir!! he might know! :)
[02:40] <Jucato> abattoir: I will... I just waited for my mom to arrive
[02:40] <JohnFlux> good grief, why is ubuntu.com so slow :/
[02:40] <Jucato> or maybe not... I'll probably sleep the whole day tomorrow...
[02:41] <abattoir> samovian: i assume you mean 'panels'
[02:41] <abattoir> samovian: rt. click on the existing one->Add new panel->panel
[02:42] <Sakirious> hey I had a question about the prefix for configuration of kubuntu x86_64
[02:42] <Electrolyte> That is it. Networking is off my list as a career.
[02:42] <abattoir> samovian: or if you want a bar at the top, a la mac...
[02:42] <_ian> hi, how do i use themes tht i downloaded from kde.org?
[02:42] <Jucato> _ian: what kind of themes?
[02:43] <abattoir> samovian: rt. click on the desktop->configure...->behaviour-> menu bar at the top
[02:43] <Jucato> heh, I would love to tell the guys over at KDE-Look to reorganize and rename their categories... *sigh*
[02:43] <abattoir> Sakirious: prefix during compiling?
[02:43] <Sakirious> yup
[02:43] <abattoir> Jucato: sure, why dont you mail them?
[02:43] <Sakirious> for kde headers
[02:44] <Sakirious> I can't seem to find them(first time to actually use kubuntu)
[02:44] <Jucato> abattoir: I'll e-mail you then
[02:44] <_ian> jucato thnks anyway i got it.... i guessed and it worked! heeh
[02:44] <abattoir> Sakirious: ok, do you have kde-devel installed?
[02:44] <Jucato> _ian: :P
[02:44] <abattoir> !info kde-devel
[02:44] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[02:44] <abattoir> Sakirious: ^^^^
[02:44] <_ian> anyway....what media player can stream from shoutcast?
[02:45] <abattoir> _ian: amarok can
[02:45] <abattoir> as can xmms
[02:45] <_ian> ive been trying to use amarok but it seems it keeps on buffering..... it cant be my connection since im on a good broadband line
[02:45] <abattoir> _ian: in fact amarok comes preconfigured w/ some streams
[02:45] <abattoir> _ian: then try xmms
[02:45] <Sakirious> abattoir: installing them
[02:45] <Sakirious> :D
[02:45] <_ian> ok i go install it
[02:46] <samovian> How to get different toolbar on desktop?
[02:46] <abattoir> samovian: could you be a bit more specific?
[02:46] <abattoir> samovian: i already told you what you need to do
[02:47] <samovian> I have only one toolbar (i'm a newbee in Kde). I would like to create an other one (like Ubuntu)
[02:47] <abattoir> samovian: yes, i told you how to do that... scroll up
[02:47] <Jucato> samovian: do what abattoir already said
[02:47] <abattoir> samovian: rt. click on the existing one->Add new panel->panel
[02:47] <abattoir> samovian: or if you want a bar at the top, a la mac...
[02:48] <_ian> ok have xmms here now... loaded i eman... where can i find the option where it shows the stations?
[02:48] <Sakirious> abattoir: kde-devel installed, can't believe I didn't have that already installed...V_V
[02:48] <abattoir> samovian: rt. click on the desktop->configure...->behaviour-> menu bar at the top
[02:48] <samovian> No i would like one in the bottom one at the top
[02:48] <abattoir> _ian: i guess you drag .pls (or open them) and put it in the playlist
[02:48] <abattoir> samovian: yes, read my last message
[02:48] <Sakirious> samovian:then do the rt. click ->add new panel ->panel
[02:48] <abattoir> morning Hawkwind :)
[02:49] <_ian> abattoir...wait where do i get the station list?
[02:49] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Morning
[02:49] <samovian> ok soory my KDE is in french and panel seems to have a really strange traduction
[02:49] <abattoir> _ian: shoutcast.com
[02:49] <_ian> ok thnks
[02:50] <abattoir> samovian: ok, what exactly do you want to do? i havent used gnome, so could you say what the bar at the top does?
[02:50] <abattoir> samovian: does it contain the menubar that windows generally do ?
[02:50] <Jucato> samovian: I presume you speak/understand French?
[02:50] <samovian> Ok in the upper bar you have something like the K menu, shortcuts, time, etc...
[02:50] <samovian> oui bien sur
[02:51] <Jucato> err.. have you tried #kubuntu-fr ?
[02:51] <abattoir> no.......
[02:51] <abattoir> :P
[02:51] <samovian> lol so my english must not be as good as i think lol
[02:51] <abattoir> samovian: wait
[02:51] <Jucato> samovian: no. but your menus are in French, right?
[02:52] <abattoir> samovian: did you try out what i said?
[02:52] <samovian> yes
[02:52] <Jucato> ok... /me butting out...
[02:52] <samovian> I think i can manage alone with your tips
[02:52] <samovian> thanks
[02:52] <abattoir> Jucato: that wasnt my intention
[02:52] <Jucato> huh?
[02:52] <abattoir> Jucato: anyways, go to bed :@
[02:52] <abattoir> :P
[02:52] <_ian> i really like the way linux has multiple desktop to organize things and when you start your computers your most used programs are loaded...
[02:53] <Jucato> I'll go to bed in a few minutes... but I probably won't, as you three might konspire against me...
[02:54] <abattoir> Jucato: what makes you think we already arent doing that? :P
[02:54] <abattoir> samovian: got it?
[02:54] <Jucato> abattoir: I already know... gut feeling
[02:55] <_ian> something is wrong.,...even xmms just keeps on bffering.... i use this same computer to stream using winamp
[02:55] <Sakirious> Anyone know a good spot for documentation regarding theme creation?
[02:56] <abattoir> Sakirious: what sort of themes?
[02:56] <abattoir> _ian: what are you trying to play? di.fm stuff generally works well for me...
[02:56] <Sakirious> All of kde's themes
[02:56] <Jucato> whoa...
[02:56] <Jucato> KDE Styles require a bit of programming, AFAIK
[02:57] <Sakirious> And the language would be?
[02:57] <Jucato> Icons would require some artistic talent, and proficiency with SVG is definitely a plus...
[02:57] <_ian> hmmm i just copied the url and then placed it.... in the url box in xmms
[02:57] <Jucato> Sakirious: I'm presuming C++...
[02:58] <Sakirious> Jucato: I should do fine then with that
[02:58] <Jucato> I'm not entirely sure about that though.
[02:58] <Sakirious> as for artistic nature, i'm going to school for Game Art, so I should be good there too
[02:58] <Jucato> Window decorations would be easy if you're going to make a deKorator theme
[02:58] <Jucato> a native window decoration might require programming as well...
[02:58] <Sakirious> I don't like how deKorator does it thought
[02:58] <Sakirious> though*
[02:59] <Jucato> Sakirious: you can take a peek into the .tar.gz dekorator themes... mostly pixmaps
[02:59] <Sakirious> the themes for deKorator always seem too bulky for my liking
[02:59] <Jucato> but they're the only truly themeable windeco in KDE
[02:59] <Jucato> the rest are just configurable/customizable...
[03:00] <Sakirious> I need to go find my copy of Photoshop 7 and install it under Wine
[03:00] <_ian> ok now what i tried to do is press "tune in " in shoutcast site now its working...
[03:00] <Sakirious> Jucato: Do you know if anyone has managed to get CS2 to work in linux?
[03:00] <_ian> well how do i save the sites thoug?
[03:00] <Jucato> hm.. I don't know...
[03:01] <hpoter74> hola a todos
[03:01] <Sakirious> hola
[03:01] <Sakirious> como estas?
[03:02] <hpoter74> sakarius estoy bien solo tengo una inquietud
[03:02] <Hawkwind> abattoir: So are we ready for the this afternoon or is there anything left to do ?
[03:02] <Hawkwind> !es
[03:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:02] <hpoter74> jeje se estaban demorando en echarme
[03:03] <Sakirious> Oh, for a second there I thought someone had actually typed that for ubotu
[03:03] <Sakirious> xD
[03:05] <abattoir> Hawkwind: sure, i cant think of anything much.
[03:09] <_ian> how do i save channels here in konversation/
[03:09] <abattoir> _ian: 'save' channels ?
[03:09] <abattoir> _ian:  you mean logs ?
[03:09] <lupine_85> _ian: they're logged automagically, if that's what you mean
[03:09] <lupine_85> (Window->Open logfile for...)
[03:10] <lupine_85> if you mean 'save what channels are open when you start', then that's what auto-join is for
[03:10] <pielgrzym> hi there good people :) noob question: I have a primary NTFS partition and an extended linux partition - can I repartition the primary one without affecting the linux one? I just want to get rid of win and move linux to primary :)
[03:11] <lupine_85> pielgrzym: as long as the linux partition stays named the same, it won't care what you do to the otheres
[03:12] <pielgrzym> lupine_85: great :) one more question: why none of partitioning software under linux sees my linux disk (called hde6)? It can only see a second hard disk attached to external ide controller (hda5 and hda 6)? How ti fix this? :)
[03:13] <_ian> nope.... the channels , because only kubuntu is there... i mean to join the channel so thaty i ont type the channels over and over
[03:13] <pielgrzym> I tried cfdisk, fdisk, gparted (qtparted crashes all the time) and they only see hda :(
[03:27] <zepelin> hi
[03:28] <Jucato> hi
[03:28] <zepelin> I've got a problem with my kubuntu :S
[03:28] <Healot> !ask
[03:28] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:28] <zepelin> I don't know how to install gcc
[03:28] <Jucato> zepelin: didn't get build-essential installed?
[03:28] <zepelin> mmm
[03:28] <zepelin> no
[03:28] <zepelin> I've got some problems
[03:28] <Jucato> zepelin: have you managed to install anything at all, using Adept or apt-get?
[03:29] <zepelin> I've downloaded build-essential, but it's a 70kb file :S
[03:29] <Hawkwind> Why did you download it ?
[03:29] <Jucato> zepelin: you don't manually download them
[03:29] <Hawkwind> zepelin: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:29] <zepelin> I've managed to install gcc with sudo apt-get gcc
[03:29] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Type that into a terminal and be impressed :)
[03:29] <triade> anxbody here use kmail on kubuntu?
[03:30] <zepelin> I've typed this command, but there is an error
[03:30] <xcyborg> I was wondering: does conntrack_ftp need to be manually loaded or it is automatically loaded by the kernel on demand ?
[03:30] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Put the error into http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[03:30] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If you do modprobe conntrack_ftp then it should be loaded on boot
[03:30] <zepelin> it can't find build-essential, or gcc
[03:31] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Then you need to setup your repos correctly
[03:31] <Hawkwind> !repos
[03:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:31] <Jucato> zepelin: so you haven't been able to install anything at all?
[03:31] <zepelin> nothing
[03:31] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: but if I don't modprobe it, it will be loaded by the kernel automatically or not ?
[03:31] <Jucato> Hawkwind: looks like his main repos are disabled...
[03:31] <Hawkwind> zepelin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:31] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If it's already loaded it will.  modprobe will make sure that it is
[03:32] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: it doesn't make any sense what you are saying
[03:33] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If the module is loaded it's possible that it will load on boot, but not guaranteed.  If you use modprobe it will set it to where it does load on boot
[03:33] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: you are waaaaay off, what has modprobe has to do with loading modules at the next boot ?
[03:34] <Jucato> ...
[03:34] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: modprobe loads modules that you want, and sets it up to load on boot from there on
[03:34] <zepelin> do I need internet to use Adept? (I'm from Spain, sorry for my english :$)
[03:34] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: What do you not understand about that ?
[03:34] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Of course
[03:34] <Jucato> zepelin: yes.
[03:35] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: and since when it does that thing ?
[03:35] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: For the 4 1/2 years I've been using Linux
[03:35] <[GuS] > Hi people!! i've updated the kernel on my Kubuntu installation on a ASUS K8N4-E mother, that i had fixed before a problem with boot.. i forgot the option in grub
[03:35] <Jucato> man modprobe: "modprobe - program to add and remove modules from the Linux Kernel"
[03:35] <zepelin> the problem is that I need to configure my modem, and before install the drivers I need to compile, so I need gcc
[03:36] <Jucato> zepelin: ok, that will be a bit difficult.. which installer did you use to install Kubuntu, btw?
[03:36] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: you should check that again
[03:36] <zepelin> I installed it from a live-CD version
[03:36] <Jucato> zepelin: ah... hmm...
[03:36] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Ummm why ?
[03:37] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: modprobe is just an insmod that loads dependencies, that's all
[03:37] <zepelin> 6.06.1
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Read the man page.  It tells you exactly that since Jucato posted it
[03:37] <miyako> it's always seemed like a questionable decision to have any version of Linux that doesn't include at least gcc
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Incorrect
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: man modprobe: "modprobe - program to add and remove modules from the Linux Kernel"
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Straight from the man page
[03:37] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: ok, you are wrong
[03:37] <zepelin> kubuntu doesn't include gcc?
[03:37] <Jucato> miyako: it's been, and still being, discussed. there's more to the issue than meets the eye...
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: So the man page is wrong ?
[03:37] <Jucato> xcyborg: that's from the man pages
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  its not installed by default.. trivial to install.. so its a moot point
[03:37] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: How do you propose you load modules then ?
[03:37] <Jucato> man = manual page
[03:38] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: not if you're trying to install GCC to be able to make your modem work to be able to connect to the internet
[03:38] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: no, the manpage is correct, you load an module only _now_
[03:38] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: FYI....modprobe has nothing to do with deps at all
[03:38] <miyako> Jucato, really? I've never built a distro so I couldn't say, but I would be interested in hearing what thought process has to go into it
[03:38] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: if your reboot it, it will be gone if you will not modprobe it again or put it into a config file
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  woop da doo.. ya got to some how get the source for the driver also... catch 22's are nothing new.
[03:38] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Of course the man page is correct.  modprobe loads the module and with the correct flags you can set it to load on each boot
[03:38] <zepelin> then I need to know how to install build-essential, because I don't know how it works. I know that it includes gcc and more "essential" gnu but...
[03:38] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:39] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Ever read the man page and looked at modprobe -m  ??
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> ive had to run around so many circles in the past for some things its amazing. :)
[03:39] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: you misunderstood the question then
[03:39] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: -m option makes it load on each reboot of the machine
[03:39] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Then ask your question to where it makes more sense as to what you want/need
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> Best - was when windows XP dident like my fairly standard ne2000 network card.. so i couldent get the drivers to get to the internet... ect. :P spare pcs to the rescue.
[03:39] <zepelin> I've already downloaded build-essential, and typed sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:40] <zepelin> but it doesn't work
[03:40] <Hawkwind> zepelin: You can't do that
[03:40] <Jucato> zepelin: that won't work
[03:40] <miyako> I've always had the opinion: give me a kernel, a text editor and a compiler, all else follows
[03:40] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: I don;t have a -m argument, so you are still off
[03:40] <Hawkwind> zepelin: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[03:40] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: LOL whatever d00d
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> build-essential is just a meta-package also that loads a lot of OTHER packages
[03:40] <[GuS] > again... Some knows ho to fix the problem related to ASUS K8N4-E boot?... i forgot the lines to add in the grub... is about PCI problems...
[03:40] <Jucato> miyako: not so simple when you're making a full OS
[03:40] <[GuS] > thanks
[03:41] <zepelin> ok, i'll type sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[03:41] <zepelin> what will this command do?
[03:41] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Again, ask your question of what you want/need to do to where it makes sense
[03:41] <miyako> yeah, I'm a developer so I can't live without a compiler, but I guess for most people it's not required
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  not much of anything.  it will want to download other packages is my bet.
[03:41] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Though if you know all the answers, I'm curious as to why you are asking for help
[03:41] <Jucato> Hawkwind: .. sudo dpkg -i won't work in zepelin's case...
[03:42] <zepelin> no, because I don't have Internet yet
[03:42] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Why won't it ?
[03:42] <miyako> you can't download the packages from somewhere else and put them on a disk?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> Probably because he needs all the deps to go with it
[03:42] <Jucato> Hawkwind: he downloaded the build-essential .deb and trying to install it.
[03:42] <jenda> Hello, I'm trying out Kubuntu, and it seems not to be able to mount anything on hda1 (eventhough it was working almost perfectly a few days ago)
[03:43] <Jucato> miyako: only if you/he knows what other dependencies that package needs.
[03:43] <jenda> (And thus it won't boot)
[03:43] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: if you would be so kind to paste me the "-m" section of your manpage it would be great
[03:43] <zepelin> I need to install make and gcc, but make needs gcc and gcc needs make :S
[03:44] <Jucato> zepelin: build-essential is a metapackage (or virtual package). basically, it's just a package that says "install this package, and this package, and this package, etc."
[03:44] <Healot> some people do no listen or learn:)
[03:44] <zepelin> yes, I understand that
[03:45] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: so let me tell you again, you said that modprobe does this for at least 4 years, then how do you explain that my modprobe version from dapper does not contain a "-m" argument ?
[03:45] <Jucato> zepelin: so basically, the reason why we say "apt-get install build-essential" is because apt-get will download and install everything that build-essential needs/points to from the repositories
[03:45] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: is it maybe that you were wrong ?
[03:46] <zepelin> ok, lets see. I've downloaded gcc-4.1.1, make-3.81 and some other packages, I've copied them into a pendrive and pasted into kubuntu
[03:46] <Jucato> zepelin: so it won't work if 1) you're not connected to the interent and 2) you're trying to install a single .deb, which means you have to use dpkg, not apt-get
[03:46] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Sorry, the -m flag is wrong.  modprobe does however load modules for you which is what you asked how to do
[03:46] <zepelin> so... what can I do?
[03:46] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: my original question was: if I do not manually load conntrack_ftp the kernel will load it on demand or not ?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If you modprobe it, it might.  You might have to manually edit a file perhaps.
[03:47] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: yes, and it only loads a module _right now_, if you reboot... the module won't be loaded unless you manually add it to a config file
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  most likely you will need the kernel source as well.
[03:47] <zepelin> I don't understand why kubuntu doesn't includes gcc, make, javac...
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  because its designed with a 'desktop' user in mind.
[03:48] <zepelin> my main problem is: how can I install gcc?
[03:48] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:48] <JohnFlux> apt-get install gcc
[03:48] <flaccid> :p
[03:48] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: ok, thank you, so you don't know and you say things that are wrong
[03:48] <JohnFlux> what flaccid says :)
[03:48] <Jucato> flaccid: *sigh*
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> if you had another kubuntu system - there IS a tool that can 'download to drive' all the needed packages.
[03:48] <Jucato> JohnFlux: another *sigh* for you
[03:48] <Hawkwind> Because it's a deb based distro which means it's not really meant for compiling of apps.  It's meant for you to use the package manager and install the debs you need
[03:48] <zepelin> ok, but I don't have my modem configured in kubuntu
[03:48] <flaccid> sigh
[03:48] <flaccid> sigh
[03:48] <zepelin> so I don't have Internet
[03:48] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: The -m was a mistake, I admitted that
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> or just copy that other machiens /var/apt/cache dir over.
[03:49] <Jucato> zepelin doesn't have internet. he needs gcc to make his modem run.
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> and you dont have a 2nd pc either do ya?
[03:49] <zepelin> Jucato: yes
[03:49] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: I do know about modprobe and how to use it since I've written many docs over the years
[03:49] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: and the thing that modprobe will make a module load on the next reboot is a bigger one
[03:49] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: No it's not man
[03:49] <Hawkwind> Sheeesh
[03:49] <Jucato> er.... did I just make flaccid leave? :)
[03:49] <zepelin> all that I can do is to download in Windows and copy into a pendrive
[03:49] <JohnFlux> Jucato: he needs gcc to get his modem to run?
[03:49] <JohnFlux> zepelin: hmm that sucks
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  why a pendrive?
[03:49] <Jucato> JohnFlux: compile the driver probably...
[03:49] <Jucato> catch 22...
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> zepelin,  windows can read/write to ext2 - if you install the right drivers
[03:50] <JohnFlux> zepelin: which modem?
[03:50] <JohnFlux> zepelin: you're in windows now right?
[03:50] <JohnFlux> zepelin: on the same machine?
[03:50] <zepelin> yes
[03:50] <zepelin> yes
[03:50] <JohnFlux> ah I see
[03:50] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: which really doesn't solve the problem of knowing what to install...
[03:50] <zepelin> ok, I need this drivers
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,   if we remoerned the right commands we caould tell him what b-e installs.. BUT still he may need OTHER things for his source.
[03:51] <Healot> google for IFS > zepelin
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  plus its better then using a pendrive. :P
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> I imagine the DVD version has gcc, you can buy them from amazon I think for $10 or so.
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> www.fs-driver.org/
[03:51] <Jucato> heh...
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> for the ext2 filesystem for windows
[03:51] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: one thing at a time...
[03:52] <Jucato> the poor guy's already confused as he is.
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> I dont think the dvd version has all that stuff either.
[03:52] <Healot> the DVD has all the main packages + some restricted i think
[03:52] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: ok, so you've written many docs, what would be the correct invocation of modprobe to load the FOO module on the next reboot ?
[03:52] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it probalbly does
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> lets go find out. :P lol
[03:52] <skavenge_> the stock kubuntu cd doesnt have build-essential?
[03:52] <Jucato> DVD = main + restricted + universe I think
[03:52] <Jucato> no
[03:52] <zepelin> ok, I'll install that drivers, thanks
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> skavenge_,  and neother does ubuntu
[03:52] <zepelin> but my problem is still there
[03:52] <zepelin> :S
[03:52] <JohnFlux> someone post the guy a dvd :P
[03:52] <Jucato> heh...
[03:52] <skavenge_> wow
[03:52] <Jucato> hold on zepelin
[03:53] <zepelin> lets see
[03:53] <zepelin> is there a command to install a downloaded package?
[03:53] <Jucato> zepelin: hold on, I'm trying to see what else you'll need...
[03:53] <Jucato> zepelin: there is, the problem is...
[03:53] <|Asgard|> i cant believe it
[03:53] <Jucato> zepelin: you won't be able to install it unless you have satisfied its dependencies
[03:54] <Jucato> dependencies = packages that it needs...
[03:54] <zepelin> that's the problem
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> for future reference: the DVD does have gcc, 3.3, 3.4, 4.0
[03:54] <zepelin> I think there's one solution: to install another distribution :P
[03:54] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: it might take you a long time or maybe you won't admin that you are wrong
[03:55] <zepelin> but I like kubuntu...
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> zepelin: or get the DVD.
[03:55] <cox377> has anyone here ever used winavi under windows to convert AVI 2 DVD?
[03:55] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: I told you you might have to edit a file.  How hard is that to understand ?
[03:55] <Jucato> zepelin: could you stand downloading the Alternate Install CD?
[03:55] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If you're done criticizing people here that would be exceptionally nice
[03:55] <Healot> buy a linux magazine or something
[03:55] <cox377> Hawkwind: lol
[03:55] <Healot> damn those magazines
[03:55] <jake> can anybody help solve some dependency issues for libxfixes-dev?
[03:55] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: It seems you have all the answers, so why you are asking for help is beyond me to be honest
[03:56] <Healot> !find libxfix
[03:56] <rioux602> Hello
[03:56] <ubotu> Found: libxfixes-dev, libxfixes3, libxfixes3-dbg
[03:56] <zepelin> mmm
[03:56] <Healot> !info libxfixes-dev
[03:56] <ubotu> libxfixes-dev: X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extension library (development headers). In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.0.1.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 92 kB
[03:56] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: I still do not know the answer to my original question but I really hate when people are just showing off
[03:56] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: if you didn't know, you could have just ignore me
[03:57] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: I told you the answer, several times
[03:57] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: but you had to give me an [wrong]  answer
[03:57] <Hawkwind> I fail to see where you don't understand that
[03:57] <zepelin> I've got two kubuntu versions: the 6.06.1 and the 5.10
[03:57] <miyako> I need a USB caffeine IV drip
[03:57] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: modprobe loads modules, edit a file is possibly needed.  Can you read and understand that statement ?
[03:58] <Jucato> zepelin: wouldn't work... can you download the Alternate Install CD of 6.06.1?
[03:58] <Hawkwind> s/edit/editting
[03:58] <zepelin> ok, lets see
[03:58] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: let it go man, this is what you said only after I said that you are wrong
[03:58] <jake> when  I try to install libxfixes-dev I get this error:ibxfixes-dev:
[03:58] <jake>   Depends: libxfixes3 (=1:3.0.1.2-0ubuntu3) but 1:4.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:58] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: I do believe I stated I was wrong....shall I paste that again
[03:58] <jake> I have all the repos uncommented in my source.list
[03:59] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: You're the one that needs to let it go and do whatever it is you need to do to get your module loaded on boot
[03:59] <Jucato> guys.. chill out...
[03:59] <skavenge> or pay for support
[03:59] <Jucato> or please, take it to #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> or #kubuntu-smackdown
[03:59] <abattoir> heh
[03:59] <xcyborg> ok, I'm letting it go
[04:00] <jake> xcyborg what are you having trouble with?
[04:00] <xcyborg> so, after all, conntrack_ftp is loaded whenever a ftp connection is established or should I load the module manually ?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> He wants a module to load at every boot.  So I told him he might need to edit a file
[04:00] <zepelin> Jucato: which is the alternate version purpose?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> Alternative is the full desktop version.  Desktop version is the Live CD
[04:01] <Jucato> zepelin: the Alternate Install CD, which is also an installer, can be used as a sort of offline repository
[04:01] <Jucato> zepelin: meaning you can install build-essential without an internet connection :)
[04:01] <xcyborg> the question is: if it is loaded automatically then it is useless to load it manually, isn't it ?
[04:02] <zepelin> so that will solve my problem
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> assuming you can even get the drivers compiled.. :P
[04:03] <Jucato> zepelin: yep. but it would requrie you to 1) download that ISO and 2) burn it...
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> you will also most likely need to install the kernel source for your kernel.
[04:03] <zepelin> yes, I'm already downloading it
[04:03] <Jucato> I think the linux headers are installed by default...
[04:04] <zepelin> and I'll need to install it
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> actually he could just mount the iso file.. and copy its .debs over th the apt cache dir
[04:04] <jake> there is a howto on the forum about installing lm-sensors it points the files which need edited to load modules at boot time.  I belive you have to run update-modules afterward but that may be wrong.
[04:05] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: but he'd need to know what the exact .debs are
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> --> /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  copy them all. :P
[04:05] <zepelin> Jucato: that's another problem, I can't install the linux-headers in the Desktop version
[04:05] <Jucato> zepelin: it isn't installed by default? I think they are?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> i just saw a site on how to make a cdrom be used as a repo.
[04:05] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: yes.. apt-cdrom add
[04:05] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: apt-cdrom ?
[04:05] <zepelin> Dr_Willis: really?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Nice Blog on how to install stuff in Ubuntu Dapper --> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en  - seems to have complete mirror of the repos on dvd images. :P
[04:07] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Only thing about that URL is that a lot of it won't work in KDE since it's Ubuntu specific so it could/would confuse the Kubuntu user
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> nifty!
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  which is why i perfer things taht use the shell/commands. not the idiot-guis
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> but that 2nd url has potential..
[04:07] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Please keep the conversation within this channel and don't pm people without permission
[04:08] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: and for your knowledge: the main difference between insmod and modprobe is the fact that modprobe loads a module _including_ all dependencies while insmod simply loads a _single_ module
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> bummer the download urls are .torrents
[04:08] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: so please read the docs before making stupid statements like:
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Nice.  I do like that second URL
[04:08] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Enough is enough, drop it
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  yea. but egads using torrents will take a while for someone to get them all.
[04:08] <xcyborg> [16:38:18]  <Hawkwind> xcyborg: FYI....modprobe has nothing to do with deps at all
[04:08] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If you want to bash and troll, go elsewhere but not here
[04:08] <zepelin> ok, now I have my EXT2 Installable drivers
[04:09] <zepelin> I can read and write into an EXT2 partition
[04:09] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Depends on your connection.  I can download 4.4GB in less than an hour :P
[04:09] <zepelin> that will help
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  if you got the people shareing the stuff..
[04:09] <Jucato> zepelin: hopefully...
[04:09] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: admitting that you are just showing off in here without knowing very much is me trolling ? OK, I rest my case
[04:09] <miyako> I just moved, my new ISP throttles torrents to an unbearably slow speed
[04:10] <miyako> and seems to throttle the entire connection if your running BT
[04:10] <saki> Nother quick question, anyone know how to get Firefox to open *.php webpages as webpages?
[04:10] <miyako> saki - you mean locally?
[04:10] <saki> yup
[04:10] <miyako> saki you have to install PHP and Apache
[04:12] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[04:12] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:12] <jake> how does one go about getting a list of available channels
[04:12] <jake> ?
[04:12] <miyako> you know, it would be useful to have something like a tiny integrated web browser / server / php interpreter to test PHP scrips locally w/o having to install apache and PHP
[04:12] <miyako> I think one of the commercial IDEs does that
[04:12] <Jucato> jake: /list.... but be prepared... it's a long list...
[04:13] <saki> i think slackware spoiled me
[04:13] <saki> V_V All my problems in Kubuntu seem to just be me forgetting to install packages
[04:13] <miyako> yeah, I've run into that too
[04:14] <miyako> comming from Suse with it's 5 disk install to Kubuntu, there are a lot of things I took for granted as just being there
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> 5 disks is getting a little extreme. :P
[04:14] <miyako> on the other hand, I know that I don't have a lot of useless stuff lying around on my system- or rather that I put all of the useless stuff there
[04:14] <miyako> Dr_Willis - that's nothing, version 9.3 came with 2 DVDs
[04:14] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: if that's extreme,, what about 14 CD's?
[04:14] <miyako> 10.0 was 5 CDs or 1 DVD
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> then the first Update you do - updates/downloads another 3gb of stuff. :)
[04:15] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: err.... don't you update only what you have installed?
[04:15] <Jucato> you don't install all 5 CD's...
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  if you just installd them all like a newbie may... :P they got huge updates
[04:15] <Jucato> I mean, you don't install all the contents of those 5...
[04:15] <miyako> I always installed a lot of stuff I never used "just in case"
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> Just in case. :P lol
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> gotta love cheap hard drives
[04:16] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: if basing from my installation experience in Fedore Core, you
[04:16] <Jucato> you're given choices on what to install
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> 'install everything ' check!
[04:16] <lupine_85> Jucato: SuSE is a pain
[04:16] <xwolf-> is there a .deb package with a program similar to this? http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/Graph.png
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:16] <zepelin> ok, I'll burn the alternate version and I'll try. Many thanks to everyone!
[04:16] <Jucato> and depending on those choices will be which CD's will be used...
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> i recall swaping out cd's ages ago for some brain dead installer.
[04:17] <Jucato> lupine_85: I haven't tried it yet... but it's really personal preference..
[04:17] <miyako> there are a lot of things about suse that I liked
[04:17] <lupine_85> yes... I prefer no unmentioned services (ssh!) running by default :)
[04:17] <jake> yes it is
[04:17] <miyako> I'm not entired convinced that I like kubuntu better, but I do like it at least as well
[04:17] <lupine_85> I also prefer working package management
[04:17] <miyako> *entirely
[04:17] <jake> I have some software specific questions where is the best place to go?
[04:18] <Jucato> jake: what do you mean "software specific questions"?
[04:18] <Jucato> xwolf-: does the site mention what program that is?
[04:19] <jake> I am having some dependency issues with libxfixes-dev and asscociated packages
[04:19] <xwolf-> Jucato it says it's a windows application, "Graph", under wine
[04:19] <Jucato> xwolf-: then you'll need wine for that... I'm not sure if there's a Linux equivalent of that program...
[04:19] <jake> I am trying to install gnome 2.16 and it is also needed to compile a kernel with xconfig
[04:19] <Healot> !ask
[04:19] <Healot> damn I love factoids
[04:19] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:19] <saki> Anyone know of a good alternative to Photoshop, besides GIMP?
[04:20] <xwolf-> Jucato i don't know how to call that kind of program, so i put just 'graph' in adept, but it is too wide
[04:20] <miyako> saki - there is "gimpshop" which is gimp with a photoshop-like gui
[04:20] <rioux602> Can someone help me installing limewire ???
[04:20] <Jucato> jake: hm....
[04:21] <Jucato> !limewire
[04:21] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:21] <Jucato> !frostwire
[04:21] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:21] <miyako> but really, I just run Photoshop 7 under crossover office, and CS2 under OS X on my iBook
[04:21] <rioux602> thx
[04:21] <miyako> anyone know how easy it is to install Linux on an iMac?
[04:21] <jake> rioux602 frostwire is available through automatix also
[04:22] <miyako> I was thinking of getting one of those new 24" iMacs and dual booting kubuntu and OS X
[04:22] <Jucato> jake: trying to install GNOME 2.16. on Kubuntu?
[04:22] <jake> no I have gnome and kde installed
[04:22] <jake> I like to tinker/test
[04:22] <Jucato> hm...
[04:23] <vlt> Hello. I want to extract images from a PDF file. I tried `pdfimages -j foo.pdf image-` but nothing happens. Trying the same on Debian with the same PDF file works. What is different here?
[04:23] <Jucato> jake: you might want to try searching in the forums if there are any guides to installing GNOME 2.16
[04:23] <xwolf-> !nvidia
[04:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:23] <Jucato> vlt: silly queston, is pdfimages installed?
[04:23] <xwolf-> !sound
[04:23] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:23] <Jucato> or does Ubuntu even have them?
[04:24] <jake> its the libxfixes that holds me up there are several dependancies in the read me that must be met
[04:24] <jake> I am using garGnome
[04:24] <Jucato> jake: maybe some people in the forums have experienced that too...
[04:24] <Jucato> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:24] <jake> yes I will try
[04:24] <Jucato> try doing a search
[04:26] <rioux602> can someone help me with limewire ? i dowloaded it.. now i need to install :(
[04:28] <Rhodri> hi, i'm trying to download packages for kubuntu from the ubuntu package repository from a windows machine, but i just get the .deb. files.   how can i get the real packages so i can transfer them to my other computer to install?
[04:28] <Healot> that .deb file is the real package :-
[04:29] <Rhodri> oh right.  i see, it's just it was really small so i thought it was some kind of info file.
[04:29] <abattoir> Rhodri: what are you exactly trying to download?
[04:29] <Rhodri> well...
[04:29] <Healot> what's was the thing you're trying to install
[04:30] <abattoir> Rhodri: it could be a meta-package... a package which depends on 'other' packages(and makes sure they are downloaded and installed)
[04:30] <Rhodri> i have installed kubuntu on my laptop on another partition, but networking doesn't work yet and i need to download the kernel headers package to compile the right driver.
[04:30] <Jucato> ack...
[04:30] <Jucato> not catch-22 again...
[04:30] <Rhodri> so i need to download what i need from windows, which i can then access when i boot into kubuntu and install
[04:31] <Rhodri> the package is kernel-headers-386 is that's any help?
[04:31] <Healot> just that single package, no...
[04:31] <halfbloodprince> hey, people
[04:32] <Jucato> hi severus snape!
[04:32] <Healot> that package has many dependencies. A LOT
[04:32] <halfbloodprince> hey Jucato :)
[04:32] <miyako> hey, a fellow potter fan?
[04:32] <Rhodri> ack.  so will i need to follow those dependencies manually?  and download it all individually?
[04:33] <abattoir> as cartman would say "Harry ***** ******* Potter"
[04:33] <Jucato> Rhodri: or you can try to download the Alternate Install CD to use it as an offline repository..
[04:33] <abattoir> sorry, couldnt resist that one :P
[04:33] <vlt> Jucato: Good question ;-) Yes, pdfimages (v3.00) is installed. There's no error output but no image files are created.
[04:33] <halfbloodprince> hey, miyako: yes, a total harry potter fanatic here
[04:33] <gekko`> what's the default font of OOo writer?
[04:33] <Healot> Rhodri: can you follow all the dependencies manually?
[04:33] <Rhodri> uurr...  how many will there be?  and is it obvious?  if i can just install the alt-cd then that's fine.
[04:33] <Healot> I can, but I don't think you can do that :-)
[04:34] <Jucato> Rhodri: just one Alternate Install CD...
[04:34] <miyako> halfbloodprince - me too, I was thinking of making a harry potter Linux distro, which would be a regular distro with simlinks to regular utilities named after spells
[04:34] <rioux602> Starting LimeWire...
[04:34] <rioux602> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:34] <rioux602> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE.
[04:34] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: I have a couple of questions regarding Ubuntu and my internet connection.. can you help me out?
[04:34] <miyako> so instead of "rm filename" you would type "avadakedavra filename"
[04:34] <Healot> !java
[04:34] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:34] <halfbloodprince> miyako: that seems like a fun idea :D
[04:34] <miyako> or instead of "chmod -x filename" it would be "expeliarmus filename"
[04:34] <rioux602> ok :)
[04:34] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: if I couldn't, a lot here will be able to help
[04:35] <abattoir> gekko`: it's Times New Roman for me... i have msttcorefonts installed
[04:35] <Jucato> rioux602: follow that link, and go to tjhe section about choosing the Java version
[04:35] <Rhodri> ok, i'll try my luck with the alt cd, thanks for the help Jucato!! :D
[04:35] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: My ISP requires me to 'log in' to the internet, using a client application they provide.. if I install Kubuntu, how do I get past this?
[04:35] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: ADSL PPPoE?
[04:35] <MitchM_> PPPoA?
[04:35] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Huh? Come again?
[04:35] <Healot> harry (hairy) potter (pothead)
[04:35] <vlt> Jucato: Now I tested on another ubuntu Dapper machine. It's the same: no files output.
[04:36] <miyako> halfbloodprince you *might* be able to run it under Wine, it is probably PPPoE, and I am sure there are way s to connect to PPPoE in Linux
[04:36] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: what type of internet connection?
[04:36] <gekko`> abattoir: well, i've got the same. but i knew that there was another font
[04:36] <Jucato> for ADSL PPPoE types, you can use pppoeconf...
[04:36] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Well, I'm connected using my LAN, it's a broadband connection (sorry, newbie here)
[04:37] <miyako> halfbloodprince: DSL?
[04:37] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: you're only require to enter a username and password?
[04:38] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Yes, only a username and password.. and I have to enter some IP addresses and stuff in my network settings, but that's normal
[04:38] <Jucato> oh.. pppoeconf only asks for a username and password... I'm not sure about IP addresses
[04:39] <halfbloodprince> IP addresses are set up in order to use the LAN.. gateway, etc
[04:39] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it's a long shot, but you might try calling them and asking them if they can tell you (maybe off the record) how to connect with Linux
[04:40] <miyako> you might get additional cooperation if you intone that if they are uncooperative you will find another ISP
[04:40] <halfbloodprince> miyako: I don't think so.. I had used SuSE Linux 10 a while ago.. and I had found a linux version of the same application.. and I had to use it to log in.. and entered my network settings using YaSt
[04:41] <miyako> or, you might look into getting a firewall/router and setting it up to connect, then connecting through the firewall/router
[04:41] <halfbloodprince> miyako: but I was just wondering if there was an easier way, because the Linux version of the app requires me to login using some elaborate commands
[04:41] <halfbloodprince> hmm..
[04:41] <miyako> halfbloodprince you could also always just write a script to do it
[04:42] <halfbloodprince> I'm not adept at programming :)
[04:42] <halfbloodprince> Sorry if I come off as a total newbie
[04:42] <Jucato> heh no need to apologize
[04:43] <miyako> halfbloodprince: no, it's no problem.  A shell script is pretty easy to do
[04:43] <Jucato> newbies are more than welcome here.
[04:43] <halfbloodprince> last time when I installed suse, the people in the Suse channel flamed me for being such a n00b
[04:43] <miyako> you basically just type what you would type into the command line into a file
[04:43] <Jucato> they're also cuddled to death
[04:43] <Jucato> so is there a newbie here who needs welcoming and cuddling to death?
[04:43] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: what type of DSL modem do you use right now?
[04:44] <miyako> most of the people who use suse are either: A: long time admins who deal with really dumb users all day, or B: noobs who insult you for asking a question so it looks like they know the answer
[04:45] <halfbloodprince> miyako: heh
[04:45] <miyako> dunno why so many of those two groups of people, but it seems to be the way it is
[04:45] <Jucato> well, not that I agree or disagree with you, but there will always be some people like those in a community
[04:45] <halfbloodprince> I quit Suse coz i didn't like the font rendering.. plus the lack of graphic apps that are compatible with photoshop
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> anyone else having problems connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:46] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: Who is yuor ISP?
[04:46] <MItchM> your*
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> i'm actually at school right
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> now
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> it's purdue
[04:46] <halfbloodprince> MItchM: You wouldn't have heard of them :)
[04:47] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: but google hears of everything....
[04:47] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: so the network manager in System Settings doesn't work for you?
[04:47] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: humor me?
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> oh there it goes
[04:47] <Jucato> lol
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> i think it's just a little slow from here
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> nothing is ever slow from here usually, our connection is crazy fast
[04:48] <Jucato> ErikTheRed: try switching to another mirror/server?
[04:48] <miyako> I switched to Kubuntu because I lost my Suse 10 install disks when I needed to install this box, and 1 Kubuntu CD was less time than 5 Suse CDs
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> well, i live in bombay, india.. and it's a local isp called seven star internet
[04:48] <miyako> but I do quite like Kubuntu, minus a few rough patches getting Maya to work on it
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> they use a client called cyberoam
[04:48] <Jucato> ooh.. India's making headlines on open source lately...
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> btw, is it hard to use Wine?
[04:49] <Infecto> repearing many problems in the middle and now when i type apt-get something i`v got answer like that:  Segmentation faults... 0%
[04:49] <Infecto> can some one tell me whats wrong. i upgrade to edgy
[04:49] <Healot> miyako: you still need to get the rest of the packages on the net, painful sometimes...
[04:49] <Jucato> Infecto: innocent question: why are you upgrading to Edgy now?
[04:49] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it really depends on the application, if you can afford it and you want to use Wine, I would suggest buying Crossover Office
[04:49] <Infecto> Jucato: want to try ? :)))
[04:49] <miyako> Healot - true, but there is something to be said about it being less paintful to wait to download packages if you can surf the net while  you are doing so
[04:49] <halfbloodprince> miyako: Say I have photoshop and want to use it on Linux
[04:49] <Infecto> i know i know thats not the best hoice
[04:50] <aeon17x> How do I get konqueror to load a specific profile by default when it starts?
[04:50] <miyako> halfbloodprince: Adobe Photoshop 7 is offcially supported by Codeweavers for running under Crossover Office, I use it, but newever versions of photoshop don't work so great
[04:50] <Jucato> Infecto: well, you're choice, actually...
[04:50] <Jucato> aeon17x: change the command that launches Konqueror
[04:50] <halfbloodprince> so I can't use the software that I currently own?
[04:51] <Hawkwind> aeon17x: kfmclient openProfile profilehere
[04:51] <Jucato> aeon17x: or "konqueror --profile <profile_name>"
[04:51] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it depends on what software you own
[04:51] <halfbloodprince> I mean can I use the Photoshop 7 I currently own without buying Crossover Office
[04:51] <miyako> halfbloodprince: yes, you can
[04:52] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: Not without something like wine or Cedega or installing Windows in vmware
[04:52] <miyako> I'm just saying that, for me personally, the $50 for crossover is worth not having to muck about with getting Wine configured properly
[04:52] <halfbloodprince> hmm..
[04:52] <miyako> you can use plain ol' Wine, which is free
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> $50 is Rs 2500 for me
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> :)
[04:53] <miyako> and if you legally own a copy of Windows, VMWare is free(as in beer) now I think for some versions, so you can run it in a virtual machine
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> yeah, but then i'd have to keep switching
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> personally i'm happy using GimpShop
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> but the problem occurs when I collaborate with people
[04:54] <miyako> yeah, I have that problem as well
[04:54] <miyako> to be honest, my solution is to run Photoshop under OS X on my notebook
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> how do you get past it?
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> ah
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> then what do you use Kubuntu for?
[04:54] <miyako> everything else
[04:54] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: You can run vmware inside of Linux in another window on your desktop.  Makes life easier
[04:55] <halfbloodprince> hmm
[04:55] <trappist> photoshop runs decently in crossover office
[04:55] <miyako> I moonlight as an Animator/3D artist, and I do all of my modeling/rendering/animation under Linux
[04:55] <miyako> and use Photoshop on OS X for textures and post processing
[04:55] <halfbloodprince> ah alright
[04:55] <Hawkwind> trappist: He's not wanting to spend the $50 for CXoffice though if he doesn't have to
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> Quick Q. Can k3b burn cue/bin  cdrom images?
[04:56] <trappist> cxoffice + cedega is the best ~$65 I ever spent
[04:56] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Yes
[04:56] <miyako> Dr_Willis: yes, I've done it before
[04:57] <miyako> trappist: Cedega was a good app, but they ticked me off when they went from "you have to subscribe to get updates" to "you have to have a valid subscription to use the program at all"
[04:57] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I don't know, but you can use bchunk to convert bin/cue to iso
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: You choose 'Data CD' from the menu
[04:57] <trappist> miyako: I dropped my subscription a long time ago, but I can still play all my games
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  having an argument with a guy in #ubuntu at the moment.. i cant recall ever doing it myself.
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I do it pretty much everyday
[04:58] <miyako> trappist, I dropped my subscription and it stopped working for me
[04:58] <miyako> in the newer version
[04:58] <trappist> miyako: well that is a pretty disappointing development, then
[04:58] <miyako> older versions still run, but I upgraded then like a month later dropped my subscription, and the app kept phoning home to see if my subscription was still valid, when it wasn't it would refuse to launch
[05:00] <miyako> there is a right way and a wrong way to sell proprietary software on Linux, I think Crossover is a good example of the right way, and I think Cedega is a good example of the wrong way
[05:01] <milco> i wouldnt mind if people wanne run windows on linux
[05:01] <Jucato> *cough*#kubuntu-offtopic*cough*
[05:01] <milco> but the other way around sucks..
[05:01] <trappist> good call
[05:01] <trappist> as in, +1 Jucato
[05:01] <Jucato> :)
[05:01] <halfbloodprince> what's off-topic? sorry, i got disconnected
[05:01] <miyako> I'll join #kubuntu-offtopic , if someone tells me how to switch channels in Bitchx
[05:01] <miyako> lol
[05:02] <halfbloodprince> ah sorry
[05:02] <trappist> miyako: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: alt-1
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: alt 2 and so on
[05:02] <miyako> ah, alt-#, ok
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: Or /window #
[05:03] <Jucato> sorry to have interrupted your conversation... we might have overlooked some poor soul's question because of the fast scrolling texts :)
[05:04] <Jucato> :P
[05:04] <halfbloodprince> haha
[05:04] <Jucato> in all that discussion, we haven't been able to help halfbloodprince's problem...
[05:04] <miyako> sorry, I will try to remain on-topic
[05:05] <Jucato> miyako: no need to apologize
[05:05] <Jucato> it just happens :)
[05:05] <Jucato> even I'm guilty of that...
[05:06] <miyako> I still can't get bitchx to switch channels right, it just keeps dumping both channels into one window, and when I try to use alt+# it says either "window 1 not hidden" or "window x does not exist"
[05:06] <miyako> err
[05:06] <miyako> "no such window: x"
[05:06] <Jucato> but seriously... halfbloodprince, you can try the "sudo pppoeconf" command in Konsole.
[05:06] <halfbloodprince> and what does that do?
[05:06] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: configure pppoe connection...
[05:06] <Jucato> usually most ADSL/DSL connections use PPPoE...
[05:07] <Jucato> but since your ISP gives out specific IP's...
[05:07] <milco> how do i turn off shadows for my windows?
[05:07] <milco> it gives glitches in xgl i think
[05:07] <skavenge> miyako: try '/window new hide', then use alt+2 to switch to 2, then join the other channel
[05:07] <miyako> ah, ok
[05:08] <miyako> works like a charm ^_^
[05:13] <w1w1t0m1>  hello, can anybody give me advice which content management system uses only php ? thanks
[05:14] <halfbloodprince> WordPress
[05:15] <halfbloodprince> Textpattern
[05:15] <halfbloodprince> Joomla
[05:16] <halfbloodprince> where's everyone gone?
[05:16] <miyako> I'm here
[05:16] <Jucato> silent... because of me :)
[05:16] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:thanks
[05:16] <Jucato> probably in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[05:17] <SoloSeKNoSeNada> hello
[05:17] <halfbloodprince> i was just like : whaaa? where's everyone
[05:17] <Jucato> heh
[05:17] <miyako> we're all talking halfbloodprince, someone just cast mufiliauto on you
[05:18] <Jucato> hi SoloSeKNoSeNada (whew.. hard to pronounce...)
[05:18] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[05:18] <RobNyc_C> hey guys
[05:18] <Jucato> hi
[05:18] <halfbloodprince> :p
[05:18] <milco> how do i turn off shadows for my windows?
[05:18] <milco> it gives glitches in xgl i think
[05:19] <skavenge> so hey is vmware in the repos now or? your guys discussion on running windows within linux made me wanna try it .. is anyone running this now? do 3d graphics / usb etc work within windows run that way?
[05:19] <Jucato> skavenge: the only VMWare in the repos is VMWare Player
[05:20] <skavenge> milco: its under window behavior under translucency
[05:20] <skavenge> in kcontrol
[05:20] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: If I configure stuff using sudo pppoeconf, then I won't have to use the software?
[05:20] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: if it works...
[05:21] <adrian__> Hallo ist hir wemand aus Deutschland
[05:21] <Jucato> hm... I'm guessing...
[05:21] <Jucato> !de
[05:21] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:21] <Jucato> er... wrong guess...
[05:22] <adrian__> Danke
[05:22] <adrian__> bye
[05:22] <miyako> I think I understood all of that except the important parts
[05:22] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[05:23] <miyako> I speak german, but I don't know much technical speak in german
[05:23] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: what do you mean by 'if it works'.. it's supposed to work for people who use a dialer to connect, right?
[05:23] <miyako> or anything more advanced that what would be said by a six year old for example
[05:23] <mindspin> miyako: it was full of typos
[05:23] <halfbloodprince> This is what I found in a forum: Well, if you have to use some kind of dialer/software to connect to your ADSL account in windows, you should try running pppoeconf. To run it, in a terminal window type, sudo pppoeconf
[05:23] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: yes. it works for my ADSL connection. but my ISP doesn't supply me with IP addresses
[05:23] <miyako> mindspin that might have something to do with it
[05:24] <miyako> although I did learn most of my german from usenet, so I probably don't know the correct spelling of most things anyway
[05:24] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:24] <liel> akuo
[05:24] <julien> Good afternoon
[05:24] <Jucato> I don't know who taught ubotu that response...
[05:24] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: The IP addresses are because I don't connect directly via a modem.. I connect via LAN
[05:25] <Jucato> Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, as the case may be. :)
[05:25] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: aah... um...
[05:25] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you are sure you need ppoe isn#t it just enough to add the default gw ?
[05:25] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Did I say something incredibly ignorant?
[05:26] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: no.. I'm ignorant on that part...
[05:26] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I don't get what you said
[05:26] <kraut> moin
[05:26] <mindspin> my fault I guess, the trouble is on Jucato's ?
[05:27] <Jucato> heh... my experience with internet connections in Linux is severly limited to that...
[05:27] <Jucato> connecting directly with only a username and password..
[05:27] <miyako> halfbloodprince: honestly I would just call your ISP
[05:27] <miyako> ask them if you connect over PPPoE or what
[05:27] <miyako> tell them that you are trying to get running on Linux
[05:27] <miyako> if they tell you they don't support linux
[05:28] <miyako> call back and tell them you are trying to set up a firewall/router
[05:28] <miyako> and they will probably give you the information you need to get running under Linux
[05:28] <miyako> and if all else fails, just get a firewall/router and set it up per their instructions
[05:28] <miyako> then connect through that
[05:28] <halfbloodprince> hmm...
[05:30] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you have problems connecting to the internet ? (just to get it right, I#m a little lame right now)
[05:30] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: yeah
[05:31] <mindspin> the connection is via LAn with a router ?
[05:31] <halfbloodprince> Okay, I found this other software called linc-daemon which should apparently work in this situation
[05:31] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: normally there is no extra software necessary....
[05:32] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: But I don't connect directly via a modem.. I'm connected via LAN, and my ISP requires me to 'log in' to the internet using a client
[05:32] <halfbloodprince>  application which they provided
[05:33] <mindspin> that should be done by the router
[05:33] <mindspin> is it a linux machine (the router)
[05:33] <halfbloodprince> no i dont believe it is
[05:34] <milco> i got one more machine i got to kubuntinize (6)
[05:34] <mindspin> its a small box type ...
[05:34] <milco> hope that its going flawless (even flawlesser then the last)
[05:34] <mindspin> probably you can set username and pass in the admin interface of the router
[05:34] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Check this out - http://linc.sourceforge.net/
[05:35] <mindspin> try connecting with your browser to 192.168.1.1 (average standard ip, used by those routers)
[05:36] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:mysql? I meant only php cms (http://codex.wordpress.org/Hosting_WordPress)
[05:36] <miyako> you might also try 192.168.1.100
[05:36] <mindspin> yup
[05:36] <halfbloodprince> w1w1t0m1: you don't want to use any database at all?
[05:37] <draik> Hello everyone
[05:37] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:I do not have possibility
[05:37] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: hows your connection now managed (you are connected aren't you?)
[05:37] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: Right now I'm using Windows
[05:37] <mindspin> hehe
[05:38] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I want to move to Kubuntu, which is why I want to figure this out before I move
[05:38] <mindspin> and you are using the client software of your ISP ?
[05:38] <halfbloodprince> yes
[05:38] <Pensacola> how can I view my ip adress in kubuntu?
[05:38] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: I would give it a try with the Live CD and see what happens
[05:38] <mindspin> ifconfig
[05:39] <MItchM> ifconfig eth0
[05:40] <MItchM> (for your first ethernet card)
[05:40] <lupine_85> not ip addr show ?
[05:40] <w1w1t0m1>  Pensacola: or Alt+F2  -  systemsettings -  network settings
[05:41] <halfbloodprince> miyako, mindspin: I typed both 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.100 in my browser and it doesnt open anything
[05:42] <mindspin> whats the IP of your machine ?
[05:42] <miyako> hmm, I dunno, sorry halfbloodprince
[05:42] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: look at http://ca.huji.ac.il/services/internet/connect/adsl/pppoe_linux.shtml
[05:42] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: the IP of my machine is 202.134.191.xxx
[05:43] <mindspin> ok try 202.134.191.1 or 100
[05:43] <mindspin> although, isn#t that a public ip ?
[05:43] <MItchM> (it is)
[05:44] <dhq> Hawkwind: need help to reconfigure my display settings
[05:44] <mindspin> can you ping other machines in your local network ?
[05:44] <MItchM> and it is owned by SevenStar AS =P
[05:45] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: Thanks for the link, seems useful
[05:45] <MItchM> looks like a simple automated PPPoE setup...
[05:46] <MItchM> may guide you in the right direction if not answer questions.
[05:46] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I can't ping other machines in my local network
[05:46] <mindspin> ok that should be so
[05:46] <mindspin> with that IP
[05:46] <dhq> hey i installed kubuntu and my display got screwed  my screen shifted 2inches below the start bar is not visible and my mouse cursor is not visible i can use the mouse but no cursor
[05:46] <dhq> xgl sorry
[05:46] <halfbloodprince> First of all I need to know what PPPoE and ADSL is :\
[05:47] <MItchM> PPPoE = username authentication for internet connections
[05:47] <mindspin> pppoe is point to point protocol over ethernet
[05:47] <MItchM> looks like your actually using Cable internet though...
[05:47] <MItchM> not DSL
[05:47] <MItchM> which doesnt really make a difference...
[05:47] <halfbloodprince> so this guide won't be useful?
[05:47] <MItchM> *shrugs*
[05:48] <MItchM> should work fine =)
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> You can have pppoe with some cable providers
[05:48] <halfbloodprince> okay :) don't scare me, man
[05:48] <MItchM> "which doesnt really make a difference" lol..
[05:48] <MItchM> apologies.
[05:48] <miyako> PPPoE = Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet, it's like dialup over LAN
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> ah, that's what I use, i think
[05:49] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: http://web.my7start.com/cable_internet/download.html
[05:49] <MItchM> looks like your ISP offers a linux version of the client
[05:49] <MItchM> (link seems borken though)
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> I also use a Realtek PCI Ethernet Adapter
[05:49] <MItchM>  *halfbloodprince: http://web.my7star.com/cable_internet/download.html
[05:49] <MItchM> typo on the first... sorry.
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> Oh it does?
[05:49] <mindspin> those work like a charm under linux
[05:49] <MItchM> lookie there....
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> it returns a page cannot be found error
[05:50] <MItchM> yup.
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> when I click on the Download link, I mean
[05:50] <mindspin> and its IIS ;-)
[05:50] <MItchM> but im sure you can find the same package on google.
[05:50] <MItchM> =) im looking for you also.
[05:51] <halfbloodprince> :) thanks
[05:51] <halfbloodprince> but with that other link you gave me, it doesn't seem as if I require to use any package?
[05:52] <mindspin> http://www.geocities.com/ambikainter/CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <mindspin> first
[05:52] <MItchM> when you clink on download the url goes to a site that refers to CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <MItchM> so google CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <MItchM> and found an alternate download location
[05:52] <MItchM> find*
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> If its just using pppoe there is no need to use non free clients just find out the pppoe settings
[05:52] <mindspin> MItchM: noticed the url I posted?
[05:53] <MItchM> slaps*
[05:53] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:53] <MItchM> your just -- too good :-)
[05:54] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you are still active ?
[05:55] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: thanks for the link! I downloaded it.. now I'm going through the readme, which seems to be confusing
[05:55] <mindspin> h3sp4wn: it seems a bit difficult, he has no access to his router
[05:56] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: don't let it confuse you
[05:56] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: it says something about Makefile and a config file and what not
[05:57] <mindspin> if your ISP offers access over linux, just ask them how to install and get it running
[05:57] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: that#s pretty normal for source packages
[05:58] <mindspin> keep in mind that you'll have build-essentials installed when installing tar balls
[05:58] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I wonder if it would be too much for you to ask you to take a look at the readme and help me out
[05:58] <mindspin> otherwise your machine will rant about "Make not found " and so on
[05:58] <halfbloodprince> (man, i must seem like such a dunce)
[05:58] <MItchM> dont worry about make or make install halfbloodprince; its already compiled there; just create a text file and save it as say /etc/crclient.cfg
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> and whatever ohter dev packages the source needs
[05:59] <MItchM> then copy and paste the default config stuff from the README into it
[05:59] <MItchM> and use crclient -f /etc/crclient.cfg -u <username>
[05:59] <MItchM> (i believe)
[05:59] <MItchM> yup; sounds good.
[06:00] <halfbloodprince> okay, i think I got a PDF guide to installing this thing..
[06:00] <MItchM> there is a README included in the folder.
[06:00] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: that's it?
[06:00] <MItchM> yup.
[06:00] <Scream_Ve> A client ftp use?  graphical please
[06:00] <mindspin> konqueror ;-)
[06:00] <MItchM> change the default options in the readme to your server's IP  and port
[06:01] <MItchM> and put in your password
[06:01] <MItchM> and you should be good
[06:01] <MItchM> if you getting it working from the command-line you can create a batch file to connect for you at startup
[06:01] <Scream_Ve> mindspin: Tks, no saba =D
[06:02] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: just do ./crclient -u <username>
[06:02] <MItchM> and it asks you for the server ip and password ....
[06:02] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[06:02] <halfbloodprince> but where/how do I extract the tar.gz file
[06:03] <MItchM> tar -zcf <archive>
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> odd problem here
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> i installed the latest nvidia drivers using the doc.gwos.org how-to
[06:03] <MItchM> from the command line...
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> and it works fine
[06:03] <MItchM> =)
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> but when I enable SLI, soon after logging into kde my computer freezes
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> SLI used to work fine
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> when i used older drivers
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> but not now
[06:04] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: But where am I supposed to save the file, in order to extract using that command
[06:04] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: anywhere will do
[06:04] <MItchM> umm /home/(username)/
[06:04] <MItchM> or wherever you extract just ...
[06:04] <lupine_85> I normally dump everything on my desktop ;)
[06:05] <MItchM> cd /dir_that_i_saved_file_in/
[06:05] <halfbloodprince> ah okay
[06:05] <halfbloodprince> cool
[06:05] <MItchM> then tar -zxf CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[06:05] <MItchM> then
[06:05] <MItchM> ./crclient
[06:05] <grimboy> Can anyone tell me how to get svn support with kdevelop?
[06:05] <MItchM> ./crclient -u <username> *
[06:06] <halfbloodprince> home/(username) is the default directory, is it?
[06:07] <mindspin> yup
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> the guide tells me to tar -xvfz CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> what's the diff
[06:07] <MItchM> bleh.
[06:07] <MItchM> do what you want *shrugs* =)
[06:07] <introp> The extra -v is verbose.  Just fluff.
[06:07] <Jucato> :)
[06:07] <introp> x == extract, z == the tar file the gzipped, f == use this archive file I'm about to name.
[06:07] <introp> -the +is gzipped
[06:08] <MItchM> tar -zxf CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz == what you should do.
[06:08] <MItchM> but experimenting is half the fun.
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> I like your method, MitchM
[06:08] <MItchM> if you want... you can gzip -d <archive>
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> thanks!
[06:08] <MItchM> then tar -xf <archive>
[06:08] <MItchM> but thats just silly.
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> with suse, I had to do some long procedure
[06:08] <Jucato> heh
[06:08] <MItchM> =) yup.
[06:09] <MItchM> well -- Ubuntu is cooler than SuSE.
[06:09] <mindspin> you alsu can gunzip it and tar -xf it
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> will my network settings be detected by ubuntu automatically?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> actually the - isent even needed any more is it.
[06:09] <Jucato> actually you could just extract it using Konqueror then go back to the command line if that's more comfortable...
[06:09] <MItchM> most likely yes.
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> awesome
[06:09] <MItchM> but dont quote me on that.
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> if not, then where do I enter them
[06:09] <MItchM> ifconfig
[06:09] <mindspin> system settings networking
[06:09] <MItchM> from command-line
[06:09] <MItchM> or...
[06:10] <MItchM> ALt+ f2 > systemsettings > Networking
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> okay, cool
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> man, this is so simple!!
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> ubuntu is awesome
[06:10] <foodcoman> Have been away for awhile.  Looks like a whole new croud.  Greetings.
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> i will still need to use windows (althought I wish I didn't), but I'll be running both simultaneously
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> as in, a dual boot
[06:11] <MItchM> you are forgiven =)
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> which brings me to my next question
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> how do i set it up so that it dual boots :D
[06:11] <MItchM> you already did.
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> ?
[06:11] <MItchM> by isntalling ubuntu; it will prompt you when you restart your computer; if you want Windows or Ubuntu.
[06:12] <MItchM> that is if you had windows installed already...
[06:12] <MItchM> and didnt format over it.
[06:12] <halfbloodprince> Here's what I'll be doing.. I'll be doing a fresh install of Windows
[06:12] <MItchM> easier to install windows then linux.
[06:12] <halfbloodprince> so there will be 2 partitions, C and D
[06:12] <MItchM> windows is nasty about writing over the MBR (boot record)
[06:13] <mindspin> not needed beside you have not enough space on your HD
[06:13] <halfbloodprince> I'll be installing Windows in C
[06:13] <MItchM> umm. unless someone suggets otherwise...
[06:13] <mindspin> qtparted can resize your partitions
[06:13] <MItchM> yes; that would work.
[06:13] <MItchM> but then I've always had problems booting back into linux after installing windows....
[06:14] <MItchM> so I always installed windows first *shrugs*
[06:14] <halfbloodprince> One sec, say I install Windows in C drive, and then I put the Ubuntu CD in, and boot from it, what do I do next so that I see a dual boot by the end of the installation
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> MItchM, yes Windows first, then Linux
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> always
[06:14] <MItchM> aye; as i thought.
[06:14] <mindspin> and since ever ;-)
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: just follow instructions. Pretty much allowing defaults will get you dual booting.
[06:15] <halfbloodprince> (man, I wish there was a spell for this.. Linuxio installum or something)
[06:15] <MItchM> halfbloodprince; Use windows cd to format your entire HD and partition it into 2; install windows on one...
[06:15] <MItchM> put in your linux cd
[06:15] <MItchM> install linux on the other.
[06:15] <MItchM> and your done.
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: just pay attention to the partitioning and formatting parts, so you don't wipe out your windows. All you have to do is set a new size for your C partition and it will be resized during install.
[06:16] <mindspin> or (better approach in my eyes) keep the space unformated and format it at ubuntu installation
[06:16] <halfbloodprince> LeeJunFan: why do I need to resize by C partition?
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: during windows install (to skip the resizing part) just create a partition for windows that't not full HD, leave enough unpartitioned space for linux. Don't baother creating another partition.
[06:16] <mindspin> yup
[06:16] <MItchM> yes; what he said.
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> Then install linux into unpartitioned space, it'll dual boot when it's all done.
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> Okay, I'll create a C partition, which is say, 15 GB, and the rest is unformatted, unpartitioned?
[06:17] <mindspin> no need for spells
[06:17] <MItchM> correct.
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: yes.
[06:17] <mindspin> yup
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> How do I install linux into the unpartitioned space? Is it easy?
[06:17] <MItchM> easy easy.
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> Arent there like different types of partitions?
[06:17] <mindspin> you will be asked
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> I got scared when I did it the first time.. with the different types of partitions.. and I fucked it up badly
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> pardon the language
[06:18] <MItchM> ask us if you have questions.
[06:18] <MItchM> ubuntu = easiest install ever
[06:18] <mindspin> that's maybe difficult while not being online
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> also, if I need to access files from my windows partition
[06:18] <introp> I've yet to install (k)ubuntu on a machine for which the defaults weren't at least acceptable.
[06:19] <mindspin> read access is no problem. writing is a different case
[06:19] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: it will probably give you read access by default...
[06:19] <MItchM> just have to create a mount for your windows drive?
[06:19] <halfbloodprince> No, I don't want to save to the Windows partition, I just want to access files from it
[06:19] <MItchM> piece of cake.
[06:20] <introp> Aye.  Read-access on NTFS is no problem.  If you want to write, you need either ntfs-3g (a little flaky, but very safe) or an ext driver in Windows (far more scary).
[06:20] <halfbloodprince> Also, can I access my Linux files from Windows
[06:20] <MItchM> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[06:20] <mindspin> nope afaik
[06:20] <MItchM> cant access linux stuff from windows...
[06:20] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:21] <introp> http://fs-driver.org/faq.html
[06:21] <MItchM> but you can FTP stuff and transfer it around...
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> And another important thing.. what about font rendering
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> FTP stuff?
[06:21] <introp> It's an ext2 driver for windows.  Free and works fairly well, but still dangerous just by concept.
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> oooh nice idea
[06:21] <mindspin> or set up samba and create a share
[06:21] <mindspin> but that leads to nowhere right now, first get the basics done
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> kubuntu installs an FTP client by default, right?
[06:22] <MItchM> yup.
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> awesome
[06:22] <MItchM> and if not; its easy to do.
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> I'm used to using Filezilla
[06:22] <MItchM> apt-get install ftp-client
[06:22] <MItchM> would get it done.
[06:22] <lupine_85> kftp ?
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> great..
[06:22] <MItchM> sounds right.
[06:23] <lupine_85> no, it's kftpgrabber by the looks of it
[06:23] <halfbloodprince> sorry for the comparison with suse, but that's the only other experience i have with linux.. but in suse, there is the yast package manager.. which lets you download and install stuff using a GUI
[06:23] <miyako> you know, it's kinda funny, just thinking about it I realized that while I much prefer KDE to Gnome, most of the applications I use are Gnome apps (gftp, gedit, firefox)
[06:23] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: adept :)
[06:23] <introp> halfbloodprince: In kubuntu, that's Adept.
[06:23] <mindspin> adept is your friend on kubuntu
[06:23] <lupine_85> YaST is a PoS in comparison
[06:23] <halfbloodprince> okay.. is it better than yast?
[06:23] <introp> Amen.
[06:23] <MItchM> Amen.
[06:23] <mindspin> different
[06:23] <miyako> I use Synaptic
[06:23] <lupine_85> yast is so *slow*
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> also, another important thing.. font rendering
[06:24] <miyako> I think I turned my Kubuntu install into an Ubuntu install with KDE
[06:24] <mindspin> but eaysier to handle in imho
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> truetype fonts
[06:24] <LeeJunFan_> stupid lame DSL provider at this location.
[06:24] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: I never had issues, but don#t aks me why ;-)
[06:25] <halfbloodprince> Do truetype fonts show up as good as they do in windows? or better?
[06:26] <mindspin> slightly different
[06:26] <halfbloodprince> coz in suse truetype fonts look like they were squeezed
[06:26] <LeeJunFan_> how do you ghost a nick? Where do you put the password in /msg nickserv ghost LeeJunFan?
[06:26] <introp> I can't say that I've noticed any difference, but I'm a photographer, not a typesetter.
[06:27] <halfbloodprince> can someone show me a screenshot of, say, www.niralimagazine.com
[06:27] <halfbloodprince> i'd be highly grateful
[06:28] <mindspin> it looks very fine in firefox here...
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> can u show me a screenshot?
[06:28] <introp> I'll package one up here ASAP.
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> if it's not too much trouble, that is
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> if it's too much trouble, let it be..
[06:28] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/screenshot.png
[06:28] <lupine_85> erm, just getting one of that place
[06:29] <mindspin> haha
[06:29] <damirsbm> hola jorge
[06:29] <MItchM> http://64.187.64.115/snapshot2.png
[06:29] <jorgeorm> que mas damir
[06:29] <damirsbm> jorge es una perra
[06:30] <jorgeorm> damir es zoofilico
[06:30] <halfbloodprince> man, you guys are so awesome
[06:30] <mindspin> !es
[06:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:30] <damirsbm> everybody here speack english
[06:30] <mindspin> and zoofilico is not family-friendly iirc
[06:31] <lupine_85> I haven't modified my fonts at all, btw
[06:31] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: Looks fine, except that the fonts are 1px larger on Windows and OS X
[06:31] <lupine_85> zoofur!
[06:31] <MItchM> bah; humbug.
[06:31] <lupine_85> also not family-friendly
[06:31] <MItchM> =)
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:31] <halfbloodprince> can you check in firefox if there's a difference?
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Rayos ke pasara =S
[06:32] <MItchM> sure.
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> don't need to send me a screenshot, just check
[06:32] <mindspin> MItchM: the point of fontsize drives me crazy sometimes, when creating pages ....
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> I've created that site using WordPress, btw
[06:32] <lupine_85> http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/screenshot2.png
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: why's that
[06:32] <lupine_85> (that page, in firefox)
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Helpme guys
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:33] <mindspin> I dunno, firefox for win renders fonts different than firefox for linux
[06:33] <halfbloodprince> lupine, it says i dont have permission
[06:33] <Scream_Ve> I am root =S
[06:33] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Bad URL
[06:33] <lupine_85> 1 second...
[06:33] <mindspin> and IE is another story
[06:33] <mindspin> and people have different personal settings
[06:33] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: hahaha, yeah, IE is IE
[06:33] <lupine_85> try now
[06:33] <MItchM> it does look different.
[06:33] <lupine_85> sftp is a PITA at times
[06:33] <MItchM> but only slightly; looks a little crisper in "Mozilla"
[06:34] <halfbloodprince> ah it's fine in firefox
[06:34] <halfbloodprince> thanks man
[06:34] <MItchM> yup.
[06:35] <Jucato> ??
[06:35] <lupine_85> j/k ;)
[06:35] <Jucato> O_O
[06:35] <halfbloodprince> Btw, I found this link to make truetype fonts look good on Linux... see this if you're interested: http://avi.alkalay.net/linux/docs/font-howto/Font.html#truetype
[06:35] <lupine_85> you saying my fonts are bad? ;)
[06:36] <MItchM> lol.
[06:36] <halfbloodprince> haha lupine, no, not at all :)
[06:36] <lupine_85> no idea what they are, actually
[06:36] <halfbloodprince> but the writer of that guide reckons, they can look just like they do in windows
[06:36] <lupine_85> as long as it's not Courier or Times New Roman (or comic sans!), I don't really care how they look on the desktop
[06:37] <halfbloodprince> I read this guide recently on how to make your Ubuntu desktop look like a OS X desktop
[06:37] <MItchM> who wants linux to look like windows?
[06:37] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[06:38] <mindspin> and who want's it to look like OS X?
[06:38] <MItchM> lmao.
[06:38] <halfbloodprince> I want fonts in webpages to look like they do in Windows.. for testing purposes
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> You mean like my wife has set up? 600x800 res with HUGE FONTS. :P
[06:38] <MItchM> So I tossed the idea of an ubuntu bumper sticker around in Ubuntu-marketing; ... now _that_ is a good idea.
[06:38] <MItchM> "I brake for Ubuntu"
[06:39] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[06:39] <introp> My recommendation is to run a copy of windows inside a VMware session, then.  True Windows rendering for testing, but without having to boot over to it.
[06:39] <foodcoman> Has Riddell been a good chap lately?
[06:39] <halfbloodprince> How do you run Windows inside a VMware session
[06:40] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:40] <foodcoman> haha
[06:40] <introp> Install VMware server (free, but not open-source).  Create a virtual machine, then install Windows on it.
[06:40] <MItchM> google.com?
[06:40] <MItchM> =)
[06:40] <introp> Windows, as far as it can tell, is running on its own machine.
[06:40] <halfbloodprince> can i install vmware server from adept?
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: I don't think so - it was made free after release of dapper
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> you could also use qemu
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: and they still want you to register it, get a key, etc...
[06:41] <introp> Nope.  You have to download it from vmware.  It can either install pre-built binaries or build the driver for you.  It's the cat's meow for testing and such -- take a machine snapshot, try the test.. fall back to the snapshot, etc.
[06:42] <introp> Keys are free, though.
[06:42] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:42] <halfbloodprince> Dr_Willis, what's qemu
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I ran vista rc1 for about 2 hrs on it :)
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> just long enough to learn my way around the control panel so I can support it.
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> !qemu
[06:42] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[06:42] <introp> LeeJunFan: my job requires me to test logins from Windows machines.  Blech.
[06:42] <MItchM> so whats so great about vista that is going to make all those windows usrs buy it?
[06:43] <Riddell> foodcoman: thanks
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> MItchM: it's not, it's going to make them buy new computers with it on there.
[06:44] <foodcoman> Riddell: Well earned and deserved.  Ive made many converts.
[06:44] <MItchM> lmao.
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> MItchM: the security model has been greatly improved, but let's face it - no OS can combat stupid users who run viruses.
[06:44] <lupine_85> qemu is slow :)
[06:44] <Riddell> foodcoman: excellent
[06:44] <MItchM> agreed -- they made Windows XP _Just_ good enough that it runs stable enough that Techsupport can fix problems over the phone..
[06:45] <MItchM> but I dont see how they are going to market windows vista...
[06:45] <lupine_85> vista is all about metadata :(
[06:45] <MItchM> .. bleh.
[06:45] <lupine_85> useless metadata about useless data...
[06:45] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[06:45] <jott> vista is about directx 10 ;)
[06:45] <MItchM> and a new computer?
[06:45] <jott> sure :p
[06:46] <MItchM> and 2 gig of ram to prevent pagefile usage?
[06:46] <jott> shiny new geometry shader capable cards for 600 bucks ;)
[06:46] <MItchM> woo hoo.
[06:46] <lupine_85> vista is all about making money for M$! ;)
[06:46] <MItchM> play solitare; save the money =)
[06:47] <MItchM> better yet...
[06:47] <jott> hehe vista solitaire probably needs a fast gpu ;p
[06:47] <MItchM> apt-get install xbill
[06:47] <jott> the cards have to fly around and drop shadows ;)
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> Intels gma is supposed to be fast enough to run vista
[06:47] <introp> It stores the current card info in a relational database.  It's wonderful!
[06:48] <MItchM> so; now they're making logic co-processors in a pci card format... should be interesting to see what is done with that.
[06:48] <jott> but seriously directx 10 will be one mayor reason to upgrade for all the game junkies...
[06:48] <MItchM> "physics processors"
[06:49] <saki> I dunno
[06:49] <saki> The screen shots look beautiful
[06:49] <saki> What all do I need to make a HP Scanner to work in Kubuntu?
[06:50] <lupine_85> saki: they're almost all supported by defaly
[06:50] <lupine_85> default*
[06:51] <niels_> my hp scanner worked by default
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> saki: scsi / usb / parallel ?
[06:51] <halfbloodprince> are any of you web designers/developers?
[06:51] <lupine_85> sort of :)
[06:51] <niels_> sort of :)
[06:53] <halfbloodprince> okay.. how do you guys test for different browsers on linux
[06:53] <saki> usb
[06:54] <lupine_85> snap
[06:54] <halfbloodprince> snap?
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> saki: See if its supported by sane
[06:54] <introp> Multiple firefoxen installed, vmware machines with various OSes (2000 and XP), each with a browser or two.
[06:54] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: opera, firefox, konqueror, and epiphany on Linux, then firefox and ies4linux on Wine
[06:54] <introp> I save the vmware sessions in a "booted up" state, so I can just open them (takes about 10 seconds) and start browsing.
[06:55] <halfbloodprince> how does one go about using Wine
[06:55] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: install it, then go to the directory where a windows program is (.exe), then "wine <program_name.exe>"
[06:56] <halfbloodprince> so i have to save windows installers in my linux partition?
[06:56] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: I dont :)
[06:56] <lupine_85> if it works on firefox that's good enough for me
[06:56] <saki> halfbloodprince: winehq.com
[06:56] <lupine_85> (I did say "sort of!")
[06:57] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: yes. or on a FAT32 partition that's shared by Windows and Linux
[06:57] <halfbloodprince> okay
[06:57] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: or you could also just use VMWare and install the whole thing :)
[06:57] <halfbloodprince> man, this VMware thing seems complicated
[06:57] <introp> Most of our web apps folks here seem to use a mix of crossover office, wine, and vmware, depending on how "real" a representation they need.
[06:57] <miyako> VMWare is actually pretty simple
[06:58] <introp> Just imagine it as having a tiny machine in a window.
[06:58] <miyako> well, I'm off to lunch now
[06:58] <miyako> take care all
[06:58] <saki> I just have two comps
[06:58] <saki> >_>
[06:58] <saki> then have my linux comp "host" it over the network
[06:58] <Jucato> saki: you're one of the lucky ones...
[06:58] <Jucato> <_<
[06:58] <saki> and test with both windows and linux apps
[06:58] <saki> and a couple mac apps...not many
[06:58] <saki> I hate Safari
[06:59] <Jucato> oh, did you know Safari is based on KHTML, the engine used by KDE :)
[07:00] <saki> I don't care
[07:00] <saki> I hate it
[07:00] <saki> with a passion
[07:01] <Jucato> :D
[07:01] <saki> It feels clunky
[07:01] <saki> anywho
[07:01] <Jucato> clunk clunk
[07:01] <saki> My HP Officejet F340 PoS only has scanner functions enabled under Sane xD
[07:02] <saki> I guess I'm off to the wonderful world of windows
[07:02] <saki> V_V
[07:02] <pimuri> is there some command in linux to find out what version of a software you have installed?
[07:02] <pimuri> e.g. to know which version of ndiswrapper I have
[07:02] <saki> You using Kubuntu?
[07:02] <pimuri> because in the paketmanager it only shows me ndiswrapper source version... but I haven't compiled it yet
[07:02] <pimuri> yes
[07:02] <pimuri> newest 6.06
[07:03] <saki> I do believe Synaptic will show you
[07:03] <saki> Not 100% sure
[07:03] <saki> >_>
[07:03] <Jucato> we don't have Synaptic..
[07:03] <pimuri> synaptic shows me ndisgtk, ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils
[07:03] <skavenge> 99% positive its 1.8 in the repos
[07:03] <Jucato> or maybe he/she has...
[07:03] <skavenge> ndiswrapper is included in ndiswrapper-utils
[07:04] <pimuri> aha
[07:04] <pimuri> ok thank you :>
[07:04] <Jucato> !ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:04] <Jucato> err.. wrong one
[07:04] <pimuri> hrm
[07:04] <pimuri> I probably forget it anyway .. damn errors :>
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> I would always use the latest ndiswrapper its getting better and better
[07:05] <pimuri> don't buy us robotics wlan-card if you know that you will use linux  ;)
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> (ndiswrapper works better with ralink 2500 than the opensource drivers which is bad but true)
[07:13] <sh4d3z> HAL failed to hibernate
[07:13] <sh4d3z> ???
[07:15] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: i disagree
[07:15] <Tokeiito> good evening
[07:15] <Tokeiito> how to install kde applets? like new panels or applets which i can add to panel?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: ndiswrapper supports hotplug properly - ethtool properly
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: wireless-tools properly - the complete rewrite of rt2xx works ok
[07:19] <weedar> Here's a question, I'm running Windows 2003 (I know, it's for a class I take) in VMWare on my desktop, accessing it through my laptop with VNC/remote desktop. How can I log in, pressing ctrl+alt+del tries to kill my X session on the laptop :/
[07:19] <MenZa> How would I change my icon theme in Kubuntu?
[07:20] <Jucato> MenZa: System Settings > Appearance > Icons
[07:20] <MenZa> Jucato: neat, thanks
[07:20] <Jucato> weedar: Ctrl+Alt+Space, then release Space, then press Delete ?
[07:21] <introp> There's a menu option for Ctrl-Alt-Delete in the VMware menubar.
[07:21] <introp> "VM" menu, I think.
[07:21] <weedar> introp: excellent, that did the trick :)
[07:21] <weedar> tanks introp, you too Jucato ;)
[07:21] <Jucato> no problemo
[07:29] <dotirc> hey
[07:32] <shahbaz> hello everybody...
[07:32] <Jucato> hi
[07:33] <shahbaz> anyone who can help me with the sound problem in kubuntu
[07:33] <sh4d3z> hey
[07:35] <shahbaz> hi jucatos
[07:42] <halfbloodprince> los ubuntos
[07:43] <shahbaz> sound problem in kubuntu..need help!!!!
[07:43] <halfbloodprince> (re: i'm bored)
[07:43] <Jucato> shahbaz: sorry, I ain't good with sound...
[07:44] <shahbaz> aright..thanks anyway jacato
[07:45] <shahbaz> hello alleeEdgy32
[07:50] <ola_> hejj
[07:54] <RawSewage> whats the command to unrar multpile rars at once
[07:55] <miyako> RawSewage if you have numbered rars, like file.r001 file.r002, etc. just use rar e file.r001 (or whatever the first file is named) and it will unrar all of the other ones for you
[07:56] <RawSewage> miyako, ok thx. I'll try that.  it's not a multipart rar though
[07:56] <RawSewage> miyako, it only unrarred one
[07:56] <miyako> well, if you just have a bunch of not multipart rars, just do rar e *
[07:56] <RawSewage> that didnt work
[07:56] <RawSewage> oh
[07:56] <miyako> hmm
[07:56] <RawSewage> I was using unrar
[07:57] <RawSewage> let me try rar
[07:57] <RawSewage> I only have unrar
[07:57] <RawSewage> I did unrar e *
[07:57] <RawSewage> didnt work
[07:58] <miyako> hmm, I dunno then
[07:58] <RawSewage> ok ty
[07:58] <miyako> sorry
[07:58] <RawSewage> I guess I'll just do it the GUI way
[07:58] <RawSewage> select all, and right click
[08:01] <skavenge> my k3b wont burn dvd+r's, i get an input/output error and it doesnt even start burning, dvd-r's it will burn all day long, i dont get it, any ideas?
[08:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all, has anyone has sucess getting kweather to run...   Under Ubuntu.. K3B and lots of other things work fine
[08:04] <miyako> skavenge: this may be a dumb question, but does your drive support dvd+r?
[08:04] <skavenge> yes
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: Using the latest firmware for the drive ?
[08:05] <skavenge> yep
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Not messed with (to remove region locking or anything)
[08:05] <skavenge> i havent run windows in about a year but they used to work then, i guess i've never tried one in linux but now ive got 25 sitting here i cant use ;/
[08:06] <skavenge> h3sp4wn: nope never fiddled with region settings
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> In a year there would be almost certainly a new firmware
[08:06] <skavenge> ill take a look
[08:07] <eaglehawk_> anyone who can help me with the sound problem in kubuntu
[08:08] <skavenge> yeah ive still got the latest firmware as well hasnt been update since 2004
[08:08] <pimuri> is there a way to give somebody shell-access in (k)ubuntu  ?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: what manufacturer ?
[08:09] <introp> pimuri: As in allow them to connect remotely to a shell, or a new local user?
[08:09] <pimuri>  remotely
[08:09] <skavenge> h3sp4wn: memorex
[08:09] <lavi> Hi all!
[08:10] <introp> Make a user for them, set the password, and let them ssh to your machine.
[08:10] <pimuri> ahh
[08:10] <pimuri> ok . thanks alot :>
[08:10] <pimuri> stupid me
[08:11] <lavi> Kubuntu 6.06 - why doesn't XMMS reveals normal letters in menus? Only squares?
[08:13] <mrmist> hi all
[08:14] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[08:14] <mrmist> I want to dock thunderbird in the tray... how do I do it ?
[08:15] <lavi> mrmist: It's a plugin
[08:15] <BluesKaj> mrmist, right click in the panel, click on "add application to panel"
[08:16] <Jucato> hm....
[08:16] <Jucato> I think he/she meant the System tray BluesKaj....
[08:16] <mrmist> yep... it's the systray I'm talking about
[08:16] <RawSewage> The command was  find -type f -name '*.rar' -exec unrar x {} \;
[08:16] <Jucato> there's an app that would let you dock any app into the system tray, but it's not in our repositories. the name of the app is "alltray"
[08:17] <mrmist> Jucato: and that's what most people use ?
[08:17] <BluesKaj> what system tray..it'scalled panel wherever i click ?
[08:18] <RawSewage> System Tray is where the little icons are
[08:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the part of the panel where iconified apps are
[08:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where you'll see Klipper, KMix, Kopete, Konversation (if you've enabled it), etc.
[08:18] <BluesKaj> click on config ssystem tray
[08:19] <Jucato> there is no config system tray....
[08:19] <Luke-Jr_work> How do I get Wireshark in Kubuntu?
[08:19] <BluesKaj> if you click on the lil arrow ytoull see it Jucato
[08:20] <Jucato> ah yes. I had those arrows hidden
[08:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: unfortunately that's not what mrmist was looking for
[08:22] <BluesKaj> yeah Jucato, the options are rather limited :(
[08:22] <mrmist> Jucato: cool... I found a way to make it appear in the systray when launching. Now... if I only could remove it from the list of "running apps", everything's fine
[08:22] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the options in Configure System Tray are like Windows' Auto Hide
[08:22] <mrmist> Seems I don't need "alltray" though...
[08:23] <Jucato> mrmist: really? nice. how did you do it?
[08:23] <Jucato> MrObvious: what do you mean list of running apps? the taks bar?
[08:23] <Trollinator> Hm, i almost finished building kdelibs4 .o)
[08:23] <Trollinator> 96%
[08:23] <Jucato> s/taks/task
[08:23] <mrmist> closed the window... sorry :P
[08:23] <lupine_85> nothing beats "top" :)
[08:23] <pavi> is it 4.0 or 3.8 ?
[08:24] <mrmist> Any way to make any app NOT appear in the Taskbar when running ?
[08:24] <Jucato> pavi: Dapper is using kdelibs4...
[08:24] <pavi> dapper ?
[08:24] <BluesKaj> ahhh , trying to hide stuff eh ? :)
[08:24] <pavi> ubuntu?
[08:24] <Luke-Jr_work> remove the taskbar?
[08:24] <Jucato> no
[08:24] <Jucato> not remove the taskbar...
[08:25] <pavi> ?
[08:25] <Luke-Jr_work> How do I get Wireshark/Ethereal in Kubuntu?
[08:25] <mrmist> hmm.. not remove the taskbar. Just hiding Thunderbird and ONLY make it visible in the taskbar
[08:25] <BluesKaj> move them into the "hidden icons" side
[08:26] <Jucato> pavi: Dapper uses kdelibs4c2a
[08:26] <mrmist> if you right-click a button, enter "configure Thunderbird Mail Button.."->"Application"->"Advanced Options"->"Place in system tray"
[08:26] <Jucato> mrmist: ah yes.. forgot that one.
[08:26] <Jucato> now I remember having to use alltray in GNOME :)
[08:27] <mrmist> Jucato: But I don't want TB to appear in the taskbar
[08:27] <raindog> After installing the kubuntu-desktop it has changed the intial splash/loading sequence screen.  Is there a way to retrieve the default orange/red one?
[08:28] <Jucato> mrmist: right-click on the titlebar of the window > Advanced > Special Window Settings > Preferences tab > enable "Skip Taskbar" then set it to "Force" and check the box beside Force
[08:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:35] <karppa> hillo
[08:37] <lupine_85> hollo
[08:37] <lupine_85> ;)
[08:37] <sveta> hey....who i from estland?
[08:40] <bobbin> How come the strigi:/ shortcut doesn't appear in "Konqueror>Settings>Configure Konqueror>Web shortcuts"? I know strigi isn't strictly a *web* shortcut, but its format is, so why doesn't it show up there?
[08:53] <weedar> Is there a faster alternative to "remote desktop connection"? Using a laptop to control a desktop, connected with wireless and wired network respectively there is some lag
[08:54] <lupine_85> weedar: ssh for CLI access
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> weedar: ssh portforwarding or freenx are both reasonable solutions
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> !freenx
[08:54] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:55] <weedar> thanks for the link h3sp4wn, I'll check it out
[08:55] <weedar> lupine_85: I use ssh when I need it, but at the moment I also need a graphical interface so... :)
[08:57] <will> I've been having some issues with adept recently.  I'm still new to linux.  Anyone want to help me out in that area?
[08:57] <raindog> After installing the kubuntu-desktop it has changed the initial splash/loading sequence screen.  Is there a way to retrieve the default orange/red one?
[08:58] <eaglehawk> anyone who can help me with sound issue
[08:59] <trappist> will, eaglehawk: you'll have better luck describing the specific problem.  people don't like to volunteer to help you with a problem before they know what the problem is.
[09:00] <will> word.
[09:00] <will> My current problem is this error: You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[09:01] <MenZa> Is it possible to drag the channels pane to the lefthand side, like in x-chat?
[09:01] <will> Days ago, I was trying to install a java plugin for mozilla
[09:01] <will> it downloaded and then froze during the install.  I quit it and restarted the computer.  It must be running in the background though
[09:02] <introp> will: at a console, type:
[09:03] <introp> ps -AH | grep adept
[09:03] <introp> You should (hopefully) only see one line.
[09:04] <skavenge> raindog: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[09:04] <will> is that a break after AH?
[09:04] <trappist> will: it's a pipe.  should be above your enter key.
[09:04] <introp> space, the pipe char (shift \)
[09:04] <raindog> skavenge:  that will return it to the normal gnome red/orange splash?
[09:04] <introp> copy and paste from this window whenever you can.
[09:05] <skavenge> raindog: if you run it in console it will let you pick which one it starts with by entering a number
[09:05] <raindog> skavenge:  wow, that's reallly helpful.  :)
[09:05] <skavenge> glad it helped
[09:06] <will> trappist: I got...   5910 ?        00:00:05   adept
[09:07] <introp> Yep.  It's running.  Hmm.
[09:07] <trappist> will: sudo killall adept
[09:08] <will> trappist: DONE
[09:08] <introp> will: the same ps command should show no adept entries running now.
[09:09] <desi> hooola
[09:09] <mrmist> Ok guys... here's a hard nut... Major opcode of failed request:  134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
[09:09] <desi> quiero conocer chicos guapos y inteligentes
[09:09] <will> introp: bingo
[09:10] <will> how do you recommend going about getting java support for mozilla.  through adept?  java website?
[09:12] <will> introp: I'm still getting the same error on starting up adept
[09:12] <introp> It's been quite a while since I had to set it up.  Unfortunately, I don't recall what I did.  Installing the latest java from sun was the trick, I think, but that does involve knowing what directories go where.  There must be an easier solution.
[09:12] <introp> Are you running adept from the system tray, or from a console?
[09:12] <will> introp: system tray
[09:13] <will> introp: i'm a newbie.  still hooked to the gui
[09:13] <mrmist> Major opcode of failed request:  134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
[09:15] <daniloc> !seen asset
[09:15] <ubotu> I last saw asset (n=tessa@adsl-68-124-17-239.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 32m 20s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[09:17] <introp> will: once you verify that adept isn't running again, try deleting the lock file so:
[09:17] <introp> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:19] <introp> You may also wish to see: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=473263 and/or http :// www .ubuntuforums. org/showthread.php?t=235016
[09:19] <introp> Let's try that second link again: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235016
[09:20] <will> introp: how do I do that
[09:20] <introp> will: do which?
[09:20] <will> never mind
[09:20] <weedar_> h3sp4wn: thanks, freenx seems to work fine. Only problem is that it starts a new X session, instead of continuing the existig one
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> weedar_: I don't think you can make it continue the existing one (but someone else may know more about it)
[09:21] <will> ok I ran the command.  should I try adept again
[09:21] <halfbloodprince> okay people, i gotta go
[09:21] <halfbloodprince> thanks for all the help guys
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> Jucato, mindspin, MitchM, lupine_25, Dr_Willis
[09:22] <introp> will: Give it a spin, but the first thread I linked indicates its a problem with the java install, and you have to do a little legwork to get adept happy again.
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> you guys are awesome
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> introp as well
[09:22] <will> k
[09:22] <introp> Take care.
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> will be back soon :)
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> see ya
[09:23] <mindspin> good luck
[09:23] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[09:23] <will> introp: looks like I'm going to have to do some more legwork.  I'll spend some time with those links. later.  I got to run to class.  Thanks for your help.
[09:24] <parsek> amarok doesnt work: it just skips the playlist and says playlist finished and if i play over lan it crashes
[09:24] <introp> Are they mp3  files, parsek?
[09:24] <parsek> yes
[09:24] <introp> You need to install an mp3 codec.  Let me find the wiki page on it...
[09:24] <introp> (it doesn't come with the default install due to potential legal issues.)
[09:24] <MenZa> !mp3
[09:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:24] <MenZa> :)
[09:25] <skavenge> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:25] <introp> Rawr.  Thanks, MenZa
[09:25] <milco> 'Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,'  << what is the path of this folder
[09:25] <milco> on kubuntu?
[09:25] <MenZa> No worries.
[09:25] <introp> milco: usually /usr/lib/mozilla, but check to make sure there are libraries there first.
[09:25] <parsek> damn your fast  ^^
[09:26] <milco> ahhh its
[09:26] <milco> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefox !
[09:26] <lupine_85> milco: only if you're in / ?
[09:27] <parsek> what word should i search the mp3 codec for amarok with adept
[09:27] <skavenge> parsek: the package name is libxine-extracodecs
[09:27] <milco> lupine_85: ?
[09:27] <mindspin> you have multiverse to be enabled afaik
[09:28] <parsek> ahh sorry you were too fast missed it at first time :D THX
[09:30] <lupine_85> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefoz
[09:30] <lupine_85> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, rather
[09:30] <lupine_85> '.' == current directory
[09:33] <daniloc> !seen asset
[09:33] <falcon3> Hi, my Konqueror isn't working anymore, but it is when i'm doing "kdesu konqueror", anyone an idea? i guess it has something to do with permissions. I got the error when i changed icons and bouncing busy cursor in kcontrol. I changed it back but the problem is still there :(
[09:33] <ubotu> I last saw asset (n=tessa@adsl-68-124-17-239.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 50m 43s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[09:34] <parsek> thx skavenge it works now but i get another more serious problem: when i play music over lan amarok crashes, what should i do
[09:38] <dhq> startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:38] <dhq> DaSkreech: hi
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Hello dhq
[09:38] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[09:39] <dhq> doin good and you
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Kinda angry :)
[09:39] <dhq> y ??
[09:40] <dhq> Hawkwind: you there ???
[09:40] <milco> DaSkreech: im still bussy with xgl :P
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> hi, when I do sudo apt-get -f install kde it gives me: Depends: kdemultimedia (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:41] <milco> gettin somewhere finally...... (near towards making a new guide..)
[09:41] <DaSkreech> milco: You will be for along time
[09:41] <milco> no
[09:41] <milco> DaSkreech: i know what im doing :P
[09:41] <DaSkreech> dhq: I'm trying to get a plone site working and i'ts being an idiot
[09:41] <DaSkreech> milco: Yes but it's still amoving target as I said :)
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> when I do sudo apt-get -f install I get kdemultimedia libarts1-audiofile (>= 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> and then when I try to install libarts1-audiofile it says kdemultimedia-dev (< 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2) but 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> how do I fix this?
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> sorry for the pasting btw :)
[09:42] <milco> DaSkreech: you and ur moving target.... :D, is there a kubuntu wiki....
[09:42] <dhq> DaSkreech: startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:42] <milco> then i hang it online in it....... and keep updating it
[09:43] <DaSkreech> milco: Yes there is
[09:43] <sebastian929> hey does anyone here know how to install unreal tournamnet on a 64 bit system?
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> dhq: can't you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:43] <dhq> TheFuzzball: i tried that still the same
[09:44] <dhq> DaSkreech: any idea
[09:44] <TheFuzzball> dhq: emm, I had a simelar problem with Edgy, it said No screens found, which is odd because it was displaying the message on the "screen" :)
[09:45] <dhq> TheFuzzball: so what did you do
[09:45] <DaSkreech> dhq: grep the Xlog for EE and paste the results
[09:45] <TheFuzzball> dhq: I just reinstalled :) and it all worked :)
[09:45] <dhq> reinstalled the whole edgy
[09:45] <dhq> hey i am in console it is not possible to copy paste
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> dhq: yea, it only takes half an hour, and I have all of my docs on a seperate Partition
[09:46] <james___> whoa, anyone installed XGL?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> >_< I remember that' I think Links2 can do it
[09:46] <dhq> TheFuzzball: okies
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> dhq: :)
[09:46] <DaSkreech> dhq: No other ocmputers you can use to ssh into your box?
[09:46] <eaglehawk> hello everybody..is there any good webcam software for linux
[09:46] <davne> hello, someone speak spanish?
[09:46] <james___> Ive just installed XGL and Compiz, and its soooooo slow
[09:46] <heinkel_111> !es
[09:46] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> dhq: It is if you use screen (control A [ space space )
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> anyway, does anyone know how to downgrade kdemultimedea-dev from 3.5.4-0ubuntu5 to 3.5.4-0ubuntu2?
[09:47] <dhq> TheFuzzball: i am on a lonly laptop
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> dhq: I am on a Laptop too :)
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> TheFuzzball: Just install the lower deb from /var/cache/apt/archives (if you still have it)
[09:47] <heinkel_111> anyone got some clues as to where i can find a guide concerning dual-head monitor configuration
[09:47] <heinkel_111> ?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> dhq: You could also use gpm
[09:48] <james___> h3sp4wn: were you talking to me?
[09:48] <dhq> h3sp4wn: what is gpm
[09:48] <james___> oh no
[09:48] <eaglehawk> what is gpm
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> !gpm
[09:48] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: do you know what i can do
[09:49] <TheFuzzball> h3sp4wn: I don't :(
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: help me plz
[09:49] <dhq> DaSkreech: startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:49] <_pete> try just putting in gui
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: ^
[09:49] <DaSkreech> milco: http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[09:50] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me how to use webcam in kopete
[09:50] <_pete> hey does anybody here have a working rt2x00 and can they post their conf somewhere??
[09:50] <_pete> not finding a lot on the serialmonkey forums
[09:51] <Trollinator> eaglehawk: webcams work an MSN Messenger only
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> james___: No
[09:51] <Trollinator> _pete: is that a WLAN card?
[09:51] <milco> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:52] <_pete> trollinator: yea
[09:52] <james___> anyone installed XGL and found it really slow
[09:53] <_pete> trollinator: i cant get the card to scan, im pretty sure modules are loaded proper.
[09:53] <Trollinator> is it being listed in iwconfig?
[09:53] <Trollinator> hm, strange
[09:53] <_pete> yea its listed
[09:53] <_pete> i get a crazy error, give me a min and i'll post it
[09:53] <justin_> I installed kubuntu on my lappy instead of windows
[09:54] <Trollinator> i don't have so much experience with WLANs, but knetworkmanager usually makes things a lot easier to configure
[09:54] <graft> how come this 'zeroconf service discovery' is such a piece of crap? I can find services with avahi-discover but not through kde
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> _pete: The svn version needs 2.6.17+
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> dhq: gpm won't work with links2 -g anyway
[09:56] <slow-motion> n8
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> dhq: I have used the copy and paste functions of screen with the text mode of links with no problems
[09:57] <eaglehawk> how to make webcam in kopete work..help
[09:57] <TheFuzzball> does anyone have kdemultimedia-dev 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ??
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): VBE initialization failed.
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> eaglehawk: Not sure can you try in #kopete?
[09:58] <dhq> DaSkreech: TheFuzzball ^
[09:58] <_pete> h3sp4wn i got 2.5.17
[09:58] <lupine_85> TheFuzzball: can't you download it from the repos ?
[09:58] <_pete> i mean 2.6.17 sry
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> _pete: And its running and working ?
[09:59] <lupine_85> ? apt-get kdemultimedia-dev=4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2 ?
[09:59] <_pete> h3sp4wn yea
[09:59] <_pete> h3sp4wn i get this warning (sorry all im gonna cpy paste)
[09:59] <_pete> Warning: Driver for device wmaster0 has been compiled with version 20
[09:59] <_pete> of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 19.
[09:59] <_pete> Some things may be broken...
[09:59] <_pete> so that may or may not be the prob
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> !info wireless-tools edgy
[10:00] <ubotu> wireless-tools: Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions. In component main, is important. Version 28-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 104 kB, installed size 336 kB
[10:00] <soulrider> hi everyone
[10:00] <dhq> TheFuzzball: h3sp4wn  did you see the error i get
[10:00] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.
[10:00] <dhq> 01:27 < dhq> (EE) I810(0): VBE initialization failed.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> _pete: I have not tried rt2xx (BETA) except on edgy are you using the daily tarball or svn ?
[10:02] <_pete> h3sp4wn daily
[10:02] <daniloc> anybody want to help me?
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Edgy already has 2.6.17 (and the right version of wireless-tools)
[10:02] <daniloc> http://localhost/jinzora2/ what is it?
[10:02] <pushpop-> Edgy Rules!
[10:03] <_pete> !info edgy > _pete
[10:03] <ubotu> Package edgy does not exist in any distro I know
[10:03] <_pete> h3sp4wn how do i get edgy?
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> !ino rt2x00-source edgy
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ino rt2x00-source edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> !info rt2x00-source edgy
[10:03] <ubotu> Package rt2x00-source does not exist in edgy
[10:04] <Trollinator> Sid rules.
[10:04] <Trollinator> ubuntu sucks :o)
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> !edgy
[10:04] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:04] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: rt2x00 is nowhere near ready for production use yet
[10:04] <lupine_85> rt2400 and rt2500 are included in linux-image
[10:05] <lupine_85> (but significantly out of date in dapper)
[10:05] <_pete> hmm
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I am using it with pretty decent stability - (with dscape hostapd)
[10:05] <james___> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:05] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: which chipset?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: pci rt2500
[10:05] <_pete> so i upgraded my kernel to find out i'm screwed
[10:05] <lupine_85> ah. My experience is with rt2570
[10:06] <Trollinator> hm... 65% of kdebase built :)
[10:06] <lupine_85> dropouts every minute or so with current CVS :(
[10:06] <lupine_85> still, getting better
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> That is usb for you though
[10:06] <lupine_85> once I upgrade to Edgy, I'll probably start adding rt2x00 to my Ralink repo
[10:06] <_pete> how can i roll back my wireless-tools?
[10:06] <_pete> form v20 to 19
[10:06] <lupine_85> (currently only has the legacy drivers and rutilt in)
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> _pete: I think it means you need a newer wireless tools
[10:07] <_pete> hmm
[10:07] <Trollinator> sudo aptitude remove wireless-tool && sudo aptitude install wireless-tools=27+28pre13-1ubuntu2
[10:08] <lupine_85> probably quite naughty of me ;)
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: So does that mean you made deb's of it for dapper
[10:08] <lupine_85> yep
[10:08] <lupine_85> compiled against the major kernel permutations
[10:08] <lupine_85> x86 and amd64
[10:08] <eaglehawk> anybody knows how to deal with webcams
[10:08] <lupine_85> !webcam
[10:08] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Get the latest wireless-tools from lupine_85
[10:09] <lupine_85> oh, sorry. I thought you meant the drivers
[10:09] <eaglehawk> thanks
[10:09] <eaglehawk> no I have the driver installed
[10:09] <lupine_85> I built wireless-tools from source and copied it over the current binaries
[10:09] <_pete> lupine_85 how can i get that?
[10:10] <lupine_85> http://www.hpl.hp.co.uk/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html
[10:10] <lupine_85> I made, then installed into /
[10:10] <lupine_85> then I had to move the man files into /usr/share/man, IIRC
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> _pete: add deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free (to /etc/apt/sources.list) then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -b source wireless-tools
[10:11] <lupine_85> not recommended, btw - although it does get rid of the silly warning about wireless extensions
[10:11] <TechSalvager> troll OMG windows sucks, kubuntu is awesome troll
[10:12] <_pete> bah. i have nothing important on thus laptop
[10:12] <lupine_85> :)
[10:12] <lupine_85> building from source is probably a better idea than installing a debian package
[10:12] <lupine_85> though since it's all static, it doesn't matter too much I guess
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: Building from the debian source is better than using normal source (in my experience for small packages)
[10:13] <Trollinator> actually, kubuntu isn't really a good distro
[10:13] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: I prefer to avoid getting strange version numbers into the apt database
[10:13] <lupine_85> Trollinator: course it isn't :)
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I just build what I want and deal with it (apt is pretty sensible most of the time)
[10:14] <lupine_85> I guess it only really matters on a dist-upgrade
[10:15] <lupine_85> emerge++
[10:15] <lupine_85> If compilation was fast, I'd never look back ;)
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: ever used gentoo uclibc ?
[10:15] <lupine_85> no... though I do use uclibc on an embedded firewall
[10:16] <lupine_85> well, firewall+router+wireless access point
[10:16] <lupine_85> good times patching icmp6.h :D
[10:16] <_pete> ok, i added that repo and i dont see any updates, im gonna roll back
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Which repo ?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> _pete: The debian source one ?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> _pete: sudo apt-get -b source wireless-tools (it will build the source and make deb's for you
[10:17] <_pete> h3sp4wn right
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> Then you can just use dpkg -i *.deb (should be ok)
[10:18] <_pete> Build command 'cd wireless-tools-28 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
[10:18] <_pete> E: Child process failed
[10:18] <alex___> does anyone know how to change the font on the gnome panels?
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> _pete: complaining about dependancies ?
[10:20] <_pete> no, im gonna see if the errors are arbitrary and try recompiling the modules
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> _pete: do apt-get source wireless-tools (should take it from sid) to a directory somewhere - then remove the sid repo from sources.list
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> then do apt-get -b source wireless-tools again (should take the ubuntu one) copy the debian/control file across to the sid one
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get build-dep wireless-tools
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> then debuild -uc -us
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> actually just take the dependancies from the control file (don't copy it all across)
[10:22] <heinkel_111> do dual-head monitors need different "identifier" tags in xorg.conf, or just the screens need to have different identity?
[10:22] <heinkel_111> my two monitors are equal
[10:22] <matt_> just installed kubuntu - whart is default root password?
[10:22] <matt_> i can't seem to su
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> matt, in ubuntu there is no password for root
[10:23] <matt_> how do i su?
[10:23] <heinkel_111> matt_:  you become root by using sudo
[10:23] <heinkel_111> you will be prompteed for password
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> matt, you need to sudo password root
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> passwd*
[10:23] <heinkel_111> sudo yourcommand
[10:24] <_pete> when i apt-get build-dep wireless-tools it starts to whine about not haveing dependenciew
[10:24] <_pete> s
[10:24] <_pete> hmmm should i just switch to edgy?
[10:25] <lupine_85> could well break your X
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> pete, edgy is still beta, you're better off with dapper
[10:25] <lupine_85> TBH, building from vanilla source is starting to look like the easier option
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> _pete: It definately works fine on edgy
[10:26] <milco> ive inserted a 'normal' usb mouse...
[10:26] <milco> should it work isntantly?
[10:26] <Hawkwind> milco: What do you define as 'normal' ?
[10:26] <_pete> milco: yes
[10:26] <Hawkwind> milco: I just changed mice yesterday to a new Logitech MX1000 laser mouse and all I did was unplug my old one and plug this one in.  Worked instantly for me
[10:27] <lupine_85> milco: normal USB mice are supported in the kernel
[10:27] <lupine_85> if it all goes bad, you could use a USB->PS/2 adaptor
[10:27] <lupine_85> (both my mouse and keyboard are through those, but only 'cos I'm running out of USB ports!)
[10:27] <Kr4t05> Hah!
[10:27] <Kr4t05> I win!
[10:27] <Hawkwind> Though the chances of it going bad are probably pretty slim
[10:28] <heinkel_111> can i run dual head without Xinerama?
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: If you have Nvidia you can run TwinView
[10:28] <introp> Yes, but you'll get two X desktops.  That may be good or bad.
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: I believe Xinerama is what ATI uses
[10:28] <heinkel_111> which is better..i ahve Nvidia
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: TwinView allows you to stretch your desktop across both monitors
[10:29] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: Xinerama is as introp stated.  You'll have two seperate desktops, one on each monitor
[10:29] <heinkel_111> is it in the kubuntu repositories?
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> Can you have one screen showing the vt's and one showing X with any cards (and somehow move the keyboard between monitors with a key combo or something ?)
[10:29] <milco> hmmm my 'normal' usb mice does not work in X
[10:29] <rumix> the nvidia driver?
[10:29] <mustech> hi all
[10:29] <milco> i got a ps2 and a usb mouse connected
[10:29] <milco> only the usb works :(
[10:29] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: The nvidia drivers are if that's what you're asking
[10:29] <rumix> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> Xinerama can do both methods afaik
[10:30] <mustech> i want good repository list
[10:30] <milco> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
[10:30] <milco> as well
[10:30] <skavenge> how can i make kde automount my ipod?
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> (I have seen xinerama stretched over 4 monitors)
[10:30] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: It can, but from what I hear it's a lot more difficult than using Nvidia's TwinView
[10:31] <mustech> any help?
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> !easysource
[10:32] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:32] <mustech> thanks
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> mustech: I wouldn't recommend any repository not in there (other than maybe dapper-commercial which has opera and realplayer in it (see canocials website)
[10:34] <mustech> i appreciate your help
[10:35] <skavenge> how can i make kde automount my ipod? is there any app that will rebuild the entire ipod structure and start from scratch?
[10:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ping
[10:36] <TechSalvager> whats the name of the wine package?
[10:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'm still napping :P
[10:36] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: wine
[10:36] <Jucato> heh
[10:36] <Hawkwind> !info wine
[10:36] <TechSalvager> sure?
[10:36] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[10:36] <Jucato> abattoir is nowhere to be found
[10:36] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Absolutely positive
[10:37] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ughhhhhhh, I hope he shows up
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> TechSalvager: Get the ones from wine.budget-dedicated.com
[10:37] <Jucato> he better...
[10:37] <TechSalvager> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:37] <TechSalvager> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:37] <TechSalvager> is only available from another source
[10:37] <Hawkwind> Ohhh, he's not even online :(
[10:37] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: As it just stated, it's in Universe.  Enable your repos
[10:37] <TechSalvager> how to?
[10:38] <Jucato> well, if it's any comfort, Hobbsee still ain't here, either...
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[10:38] <TechSalvager> hmm
[10:38] <Hawkwind> __mikem: It's Windows junk, don't count on it :P
[10:38] <milco> hmmmm.. is there a way to tell kde what mouse to use?
[10:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's even worse!
[10:39] <Jucato> lol
[10:39] <milco> i got a ps2/ and a usb connected - but only the ps2 works
[10:39] <TechSalvager> can I start a gui editor though sudo or something?
[10:39] <Hawkwind> milco: Have you restarted X after plugging in the USB mouse ?
[10:39] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <introp> TechSalvager: kdesu kate <filename>
[10:39] <milco> yeah tried that
[10:39] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor
[10:39] <Hawkwind> milco: Have you looking in systemsettings or even in kcontrol ?
[10:39] <Jucato> Hawkwind: sudo to launch a GUI app? tsk tsk tsk :)
[10:40] <Hawkwind> milco: Are you sure the USB port is good ?
[10:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ooopsss, typo :P
[10:40] <milco> i checked system settings, but all i could find there was normal mouse settings
[10:40] <milco> Hawkwind: the light on the mouse burns..............
[10:40] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list   is what you need
[10:40] <Hawkwind> milco: Are you sure the mouse works other than that ?
[10:41] <Jucato> lol
[10:41] <milco> Hawkwind: yes it works in other machines
[10:42] <milco> ive replugged it and now it works
[10:42] <Hawkwind> milco: systemsettings -> Mouse   you looked there ?
[10:42] <Hawkwind> Ahhhh
[10:42] <milco> usb doesnt have really good connectors
[10:42] <milco> thats obvious ^^
[10:43] <heinkel_111> y
[10:43] <heinkel_111> sry thought that was the perfect answer to another question ;)
[10:44] <BluesKaj> installed tovid and the dependencies but tovid won't run
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !tovid
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <Jucato> 15 minutes to go, and yet no sign of the two...
[10:45] <james___> anyopne got a Nvidia FX5200?
[10:45] <Hawkwind> james___: I do
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: 15 minutes to go to what ? (15 minutes closer to death is all I can think of)
[10:46] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Meeting
[10:46] <james___> Hawkwind: do u have any problems gettin 3D accel to work?
[10:46] <Jucato> in the meantime, I just realized that I don't know what model my Logitech mouse it..
[10:47] <Hawkwind> james___: Absolutely not.  I'm also using TwinView(dual monitors)
[10:47] <Jucato> ah there....
[10:47] <Jucato> Logitech M-UV69a Optical Wheel Mouse.. Thank you KInfoCenter!
[10:48] <intelikey> mmm hmmm  some startup script doesn't like a blank motd --> mv: overwrite `/etc/motd', overriding mode 0644?
[10:48] <milco> i would like to connect to my server (Which runs kubuntu) now as well..
[10:48] <milco> tips?
[10:48] <james___> Hawkwind: hmm, did u use the driver from the NVidia site? or just nvidia-glx
[10:48] <intelikey> i locked the file to see if something was over writing it,  and it is.
[10:48] <Hawkwind> milco: ssh ?
[10:49] <Hawkwind> james___: I use the nvidia-glx stuff currently, though I've used both
[10:49] <intelikey> milco two linux boxen ?   sshd on one ssh in from the other
[10:49] <milco> Hawkwind: i would like to see a whole desktop
[10:49] <Hawkwind> milco: vnc or something similar
[10:49] <milco> i know 22.. ; )
[10:49] <milco> Hawkwind: and i know vnc
[10:49] <milco> but kubuntu has something build in maybe?
[10:50] <milco> krfb :/
[10:50] <Hawkwind> milco: No idea.  I really have no use for that stuff
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> kde supports VNC
[10:50] <Hawkwind> I just use ssh to my server.  I don't need a GUI on a server box
[10:50] <milco> LeeJunFan: ?
[10:50] <intelikey> milco yeah ssh+tightvnc+kde
[10:50] <james___> Hawkwind:  what do you get if you type "  glxinfo | grep rendering " at teh command line
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> milco: kcontrol->internet & network -> Desktop Sharing
[10:51] <Hawkwind> james___: Yes of course :)
[10:51] <james___> what output u get?
[10:51] <james___> from
[10:51] <james___> glxinfo | grep rendering
[10:51] <Hawkwind> direct rendering: Yes
[10:51] <Hawkwind> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce FX 5200/AGP/SSE2
[10:51] <Hawkwind> As I stated, it says 'Yes'
[10:51] <james___> mer
[10:51] <james___> i just get
[10:51] <james___> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:52] <milco> LeeJunFan: what is the standard port?
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> 5900
[10:52] <intelikey> oh yeah i need a list of what is supposed to be in /dev/sound/   ls -l  please ?   if it's not over 10 or 12 you can msg me.  thanks in advance. :)
[10:52] <milco> vnc... cool =) thanks LeeJunFan :)
[10:52] <Zamboulie> my friend is trying to run folding at home
[10:53] <Zamboulie> chmod +x /home/derek/Desktop/FAH504-Linux.exe  he uses that command
[10:53] <james___> Hawkwind: dont supposed u could pastebucket me your xorg.conf?
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> milco: yer welcome.
[10:53] <james___> Hawkwind: i jsut get Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:53] <Zamboulie> but if he types ./FAH504-Linux.exe it says file not found
[10:53] <milco> LeeJunFan: ok, then i have one more question :D
[10:53] <milco> does kubuntu come with a client for it as well? :D
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: wasn't it you that got kicked for pm'ing an op last week?
[10:53] <Hawkwind> james___: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/92
[10:53] <Zamboulie> can someone help
[10:54] <james___> Hawkwind: tyvm.   have u ever had this error?
[10:54] <intelikey> last week ?  no.    and i don't think i've ever been kicked for pming anyone...
[10:54] <Hawkwind> james___: Nope
[10:54] <Jucato> yay abattoir!!
[10:54] <LeeJunFan> milco: yeah. krdc
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: someone else - nvm :0
[10:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i did get kicked one time for doing !ops when the oper thought it unnessasary  ;/
[10:56] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting
[10:56] <BluesKaj> the tovid ch seems unoccupied...what's the cmd to make tovid run?
[10:56] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you're off by 1 minute :)
[10:56] <lupine_85> what's a kubuntu meeting when it's at home?
[10:56] <lupine_85> Any point me showing up? ;)
[10:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: for the X server being borked and requesting a topic change?
[10:57] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I was actually looking at the clock sitting on my desk.  My computer clock is correct
[10:57] <Jucato> my computer clock is set to analog, so it's inaccurate anyway :)
[10:57] <lupine_85> not fuzzy?
[10:57] <lupine_85> fuzzy++
[10:58] <BluesKaj> anyone here using TOVID ?
[10:59] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I was thinking that you pm'ed him and got kicked - if so. I was going to point out the FAQ says to go ahead an pm the staff.
[10:59] <LeeJunFan> owell.
[11:00] <davne> hi, i need help, my session ends unpredictable
[11:00] <brandon_> I need help as to why when i go to rip a sog from a cd it says cannot make directory
[11:01] <brandon_> song*
[11:01] <lupine_85> brandon_: do you have permissions for wherever you're copying it to?
[11:01] <davne> it comes to login screen sudenly
[11:01] <brandon_> what do you mean?
[11:02] <brandon_> I'm trying to copy it to my home folder
[11:02] <Slayer4blind> I don't get it though
[11:03] <lupine_85> permissions aren't the problem, then... no idea, sorry
[11:03] <Slayer4blind> well what is the permissions thing?
[11:03] <Slayer4blind> I never looked at that
[11:04] <lupine_85> Slayer4blind: that was @brandon_:
[11:04] <floppyh4x> Can someone help me with enabling sound in kubuntu under virtual PC ?
 intelikey: for the X server being borked <-- yes    sorry busy atm
[11:04] <Slayer4blind> I am brandon
[11:05] <lupine_85> oh, ok :)
[11:05] <Slayer4blind> lol
[11:05] <lupine_85> basically, the question was "do you have permission to write in the directory you're copying to"... the answer is, obviously, yes
[11:05] <Slayer4blind> my name never stays like this when i reconnect to IRC
[11:05] <TechSalvager> hmm my sony vaio brightness is fixed
[11:06] <Slayer4blind> hmm... I don't know
[11:06] <floppyh4x> I tried editing /etc/modules and adding snd-sb16 to it but when i boot my VPC he gave me an error
[11:06] <earthsound> from what does adept manager generate K menu items?
[11:06] <lupine_85> earthsound: .desktop files in the .deb files it installs
[11:07] <lupine_85> not .desktop == no .deb
[11:07] <floppyh4x> Sound server fatal error: cpu overload aborting.
[11:07] <lupine_85> erm, no menu item, rather
[11:07] <Slayer4blind> ummm
[11:07] <earthsound> lupine_85: where is the default save location of the packages?
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: Is it an isa card
[11:07] <Slayer4blind> why does it say cannot make directory?
[11:07] <floppyh4x> yes that is what Virtual PC 2004 emulate
[11:07] <lupine_85>  /var/cache/apt I think
[11:07] <lupine_85> Slayer4blind: no idea, sorry
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> it's aright man
[11:08] <lupine_85> you have write permissions to your /home, so it must be something else
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> I'll figure it out
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> later
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: No idea about virtual pc
[11:10] <floppyh4x> another question: How can i start and stop the soundserver in kubuntu?
[11:11] <lupine_85> killall artsd ?
[11:11] <lupine_85> then artsd &
[11:11] <lupine_85> or do it in the System Settings
[11:11] <lupine_85> (mine is permanently disabled ;) 0
[11:12] <Jucato> no sounds then?
[11:12] <floppyh4x> thank you lupine_85
[11:12] <lupine_85> Jucato: I get plenty of sounds
[11:12] <lupine_85> including startup and shutdown
[11:12] <Jucato> heh
[11:12] <Jucato> just no arts?
[11:12] <lupine_85> yep
[11:12] <floppyh4x> h3sp4wn: I will try "modprobe sb" ;-)
[11:13] <lupine_85> arts, esd, etc. annoy me
[11:13] <Jucato> heh
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: If its an isa you may need to add the irq=5 dma=1 io=220 (or some such)
[11:13] <earthsound> lupine_85: I found a number of *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. do I need to log out/log back in to see the latest installed packages in the k menu?
[11:14] <worstenboy> hi, i've installed xubunu, is it difficult to switch to kde ?
[11:14] <Jucato> earthsound: you can try typing this in Konsole to refresh the K Menu
[11:14] <earthsound> apparently, of all the *.desktop files in that folder, only the last one I installed (and during my current session) isn't listed in the k menu
[11:14] <Jucato> earthsound: kbuildsycoca --incremental
[11:14] <earthsound> Jucato: thanks, I'll give it a try
[11:15] <Jucato> earthsound: disregard the error messages that you get
[11:15] <Jucato> you will only have those error messages the first type you run that command
[11:15] <floppyh4x> h3sp4wn: can u help me with that :)
[11:15] <earthsound> Jucato: that worked. :) thanks
[11:16] <Jucato> earthsound: no problem
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: As I say I don't know about virtual pc
[11:16] <MrObvious> hi
[11:17] <floppyh4x> im sorry :)
[11:22] <Kr4t05> Hey, ladies. :P
[11:25] <osh_> There are ladies here? Where? I thought linux users were all late teen boys with no life. ;-)
[11:25] <MuJ> I have manboobs
[11:25] <Jucato> lol
[11:26] <lupine_85> there's a community manager?
[11:26] <lupine_85> organised :)
[11:26] <skavenge> and has a kangaroo
[11:27] <Jucato> yeah
[11:27] <Jucato> I want to see her kangaroo... :)
[11:27] <osh_> Now that has to be one of the weirdest pets ever...
[11:27] <Jucato> not if you're an aussie :)
[11:27] <draik> What can Kubuntu max out on with RAM?
[11:27] <draik> I have 4GB, but only 3GB registers
[11:27] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), , RAM: 341/3031MB, 112 proc's, 2.15min up
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> draik: You may have to recompile the kernel
[11:28] <osh_> Jucato: aren't those animals big dangerous fsckers?
[11:28] <Jucato> heh, I wouldn't know.
[11:28] <Jucato> maybe if you raise them right :)
[11:29] <MuJ> damn showoff draik :|
[11:29] <MuJ> gimme some of that ram
[11:29] <Jucato> heh
[11:29] <draik> recompile how?
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> draik: high memory support change to 64gb
[11:30] <draik> I set my BIOS to read dual-channel
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> draik: And it detects 4gb ?
[11:30] <osh_> I should probably get a sloth. That'll qualify me for the weird pets competition too. Imagine moving so seldom that algae starts growing on you... :-)
[11:30] <draik> huh?
[11:30] <lupine_85> draik: you should be able to do 4GB with a 32-bit CPU
[11:30] <draik> I have a 32-bit CPU
[11:30] <earthsound> anyone here use udftools?
[11:30] <draik> its just that it only reads 3GB
[11:30] <lupine_85> draik: the kernel supports 4G
[11:30] <lupine_85> 4GB*
[11:31] <draik> ok
[11:31] <lupine_85> so something is going wrong somewhere
[11:31] <draik> so why won't it read my other GB?
[11:31] <lupine_85> not sure. maybe you could report a bug?
[11:31] <lupine_85> I assume the BIOS/POST shows as 4GB?
[11:34] <intelikey> ok maybe i'm caught up for a minute....
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> any idea how I would find out what kde modules the dev's use to build the kde desktop?
[11:38] <intelikey> TheGateKeeper might look in /usr/share/doc/kde* it should be documented  i think
[11:39] <zepelin> hi everyone
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> intelikey: I'll have a look thanx
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: hi! were you able to download the Alternate Install CD?
[11:40] <zepelin> Jucato: yeah!
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: great!
[11:40] <zepelin> I've downloaded it, burned it and installed it
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: now you have installed build-essential?
[11:40] <zepelin> now I have gcc, make...
[11:40] <alex___> anyone know anything about changing the font color on the gnome panels?
[11:40] <zepelin> all the gnu are in the CD
[11:41] <Jucato> zepelin: :)
[11:41] <zepelin> now I can connect to the Internet
[11:41] <zepelin> many thanks for all
[11:41] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Great to hear :)
[11:43] <zepelin> ok, see you soon!
[11:44] <Hawkwind> zepelin: See ya
[11:44] <RedMAge> I just moved to Kubuntu and I would like to know how to install a printer
[11:44] <Hawkwind> RedMAge: systemsettings -> Printers
[11:45] <RedMAge> yes, I have gotten that far
[11:46] <graft> hey, anyone know anything about zeroconf support in KDE 3.5?
[11:47] <lupine_85> graft; the silly IP address thing?
[11:47] <graft> the silly IP address thing? um... i mean like DNS service discovery stuff
[11:48] <lupine_85> DHCP ?
[11:48] <graft> no... zeroconf
[11:48] <graft> it finds services on your local network
[11:48] <intelikey> zeroconf tool
[11:48] <graft> e.g. web servers, itunes shares, etc.
[11:49] <graft> xcept it doesn't seem to work too good
[11:49] <lupine_85> to me, that's the MS thing that gives you addresses in the 16?.*.*.* range
[11:49] <graft> DHCP isn't an MS thing, firstly
[11:49] <graft> but that's not what i mean
[11:49] <lupine_85> I know :)
[11:49] <lupine_85> I'm not being much help, sorry
[11:49] <graft> anywho, avahi-discover finds like EVERYTHING, hundreds of services on my local network (it's a big one)
[11:50] <graft> but none of 'em show up in the KDE zeroconf panel thingy, or in konqueror zeroconf:/
[11:50] <graft> err, a few of them show up in konqueror, but not all of them by a long stretch
[11:50] <graft> wtf is my probs?
[11:52] <graft> no one here uses that shit?
[11:52] <graft> dangit
[11:52] <intelikey> not i
[11:53] <_pete> so my desktop's wireless runs on kubuntu out of the box
[11:53] <_pete> it makes me so angry that i cant get my lappy working
[11:53] <graft> drop it a couple of times
[11:53] <graft> that usually works
[11:53] <_pete> heh.
[11:53] <graft> you'll be much less angry after that
[11:54] <graft> what's your laptop got inside it?
[11:54] <graft> computer parts, i'm assuming
[11:54] <_pete> broadcom junk
[11:54] <graft> broadcom
[11:54] <graft> um
[11:54] <graft> like atheros thingy?
[11:54] <_pete> i dont know
[11:54] <graft> what's lspci say?
[11:54] <_pete> what i do know is it needs rt2x00 drivers
[11:55] <_pete> and it is based on ralink 2500
[11:55] <_pete> pci
[11:55] <lupine_85> _pete: they're easy to get working
[11:55] <_pete> yeah yeah...
[11:55] <lupine_85> but if it's broadcom, then it's not
[11:55] <lupine_85> bcm43xx != rt2500 though
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Broadcom is no problem with the firmware
[11:55] <coreymon77> what
[11:55] <coreymon77> linksys card
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> on 2.6.17
[11:55] <lupine_85> :)
[11:56] <lupine_85> dapper's kernel has horrendously out of date wlan drivers, IMO
[11:56] <coreymon77> if its ralink it works automatically
[11:56] <_pete> hmm some dude told me i had broadcom when i mentioned rt2x00 so i guess i was lying
[11:56] <lupine_85> lol, no. they're different
[11:56] <coreymon77> rt means ralink
[11:56] <_pete> cuz it is ra2500pci for sure
[11:56] <lupine_85> I run a repo for getting ralink cards working., if you want the details
[11:57] <_pete> for sure
[11:57] <lupine_85> (the module included in the dapper kernel is a year out of date)
[11:57] <lupine_85> what kernel do you run?
[11:57] <MetaMorfoziS> ??????
[11:57] <_pete> on my lappy - 2.6.17
[11:57] <lupine_85> self-built?
[11:58] <_pete> not really sure what that means....
[11:58] <lupine_85> did you build the kernel yourself?
[11:58] <lupine_85> or install it from somewhere?
[11:58] <_pete> yea i built it myself
[11:58] <_pete> did all the make install junk
[11:58] <lupine_85> ok, you should have no problems building the rt2500 driver as well :)
[11:58] <lupine_85> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
[11:59] <_pete> well i followed a great howto, im not that fluent in linux matters
[11:59] <lupine_85> Get the rt2500 daily CVS
[11:59] <_pete> ok
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper_> !vmware
[11:59] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[11:59] <lupine_85> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rt2400/rt2500-1.1.0-b4.tar.gz?download
[11:59] <lupine_85> erm, no... hang on
[11:59] <lupine_85> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt2500-cvs-daily.tar.gz
[11:59] <lupine_85> that's it
[12:00] <_pete> so skip the 2x00 and install just 2500 ... ok got it.
[12:00] <lupine_85> make install is Red Hat-based, so you have to add it to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases yourself
[12:00] <lupine_85> just the rt2500, yes
[12:00] <_pete> ok now this i have not heard, how do i do that?
[12:00] <_pete> like sudo modprobe "some other junk"
[12:00] <coreymon77> lupine: i have the rt2500 card
[12:01] <coreymon77> wrong
[12:01] <lupine_85> coreymon77: I suppose you're running the 2.6.17 kernel as well, eh? :)
[12:01] <coreymon77> mine worked out of the box
[12:01] <coreymon77> so to speak
[12:01] <lupine_85> _pete: you just add "alias rt2570 rausb0" to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[12:01] <lupine_85> coreymon77: yes, it would do. you're using the default kernel
[12:02] <coreymon77> lupine: rt2500 right
[12:02] <lupine_85> but your driver is a year out of date, regardless
[12:02] <lupine_85> yep
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> rt2500 is pci
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> it uses ra0
[12:02] <_pete> mine froze on ifup otb
[12:02] <lupine_85> erm, yes. Sorry
[12:02] <lupine_85> alias rt2500 ra0
[12:02] <lupine_85> d'oh
[12:02] <coreymon77> great
[12:02] <coreymon77> amazing
[12:02] <lupine_85> (I use rt2570 myself)
[12:02] <lupine_85> the up to date driver is much smoother
[12:03] <lupine_85> I have pre-built binaries for *standard* kernels :D
[12:03] <coreymon77> whose got the problem
[12:03] <lupine_85> one for 2.6.17.9, but I doubt it'd work on any kernel but mine
[12:03] <coreymon77> cause i know what to do
[12:03] <_pete> coreymon77 i think thats me
[12:03] <coreymon77> okay pete
[12:03] <_pete> lemme grab my lappy and boot up
[12:03] <_pete> one sec
[12:03] <coreymon77> is your nickname registered on nickserv>
[12:03] <coreymon77> ?
[12:04] <marsol0x> Arg! Why is wireless so frustrating?
[12:04] <james___> its not n00d lol
[12:04] <lupine_85> "make; sudo cp rt2500.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra; sudo echo ""alias rt2500 ra0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/aliases; sudo depmod -a; modprobe rt2500
[12:04] <shadowhywind> hi all
[12:04] <lupine_85> (_pete): not hard at all :)
[12:05] <_pete> coreymon77 nah.
[12:05] <marsol0x> I'm having troubles getting the damn thing to connect to the network that it sees.
[12:05] <lupine_85> then you can built rutilt and configure it graphically as well
[12:05] <coreymon77> do you have interface ra0 yet?
[12:05] <lupine_85> or just install it from "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ deb main"
[12:05] <_pete> yeah otb
[12:06] <coreymon77> alright
[12:06] <_pete> coreymon77 yeah, i get thru the configuration just fine, but it freezes when i try to ifup
[12:06] <coreymon77> pete: you dont use that
[12:06] <coreymon77> use iwconfig
[12:07] <_pete> lupine_85 i will get the drivers and rutilt
[12:07] <coreymon77> pete
[12:07] <lupine_85> _pete: you will need to build your own from source
[12:07] <coreymon77> listen here
[12:07] <coreymon77> i know what to do
[12:07] <lupine_85> don't use my 2.6.17.9 driver whatever you do :)
[12:07] <_pete> lupine_85 i know
[12:07] <lupine_85> coreymon77: why settle for a sub-par driver?
[12:07] <lupine_85> _pete: ok :)
[12:07] <coreymon77> type in a console "sudo iwconfig ra0 essid [your essid] 
[12:07] <_pete> coreymon77 k listening
[12:07] <lupine_85> it *shouldn't* freeze on ifup
[12:08] <coreymon77> amd if you use a key add key [your wep key
[12:08] <_pete> lupine_85 i just want to get the thing on the net so i can install the drivers after lol
[12:08] <lupine_85> :) k#
[12:08] <_pete> ok i can do that
[12:08] <coreymon77> do u have a wep key?
[12:09] <_pete> yeah .... hold on ill let u know when im configured