| infinity | BenC: Ping. | 12:44 |
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| infinity | BenC: Nevermind, I see you already uploaded for the Makefile target confusion breakage. | 01:29 |
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| BenC | infinity: Yeah, I just need lrm pushed out of dep-wait | 01:39 |
| infinity | BenC: I'm NEWing the kernel right now to make that happen. | 01:39 |
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| BenC | infinity: thanks | 01:42 |
| BenC | I'll upload linux-meta in a few minutes then | 01:42 |
| infinity | Or, I would be, if I could find anything in the NEW queue other than i386... | 01:43 |
| infinity | Maybe Kamion beat me to the other arches? | 01:44 |
| infinity | Or soyuz lost them... | 01:44 |
| infinity | Or the queue tool is playing tricks on me. Nevermind. | 01:45 |
| infinity | Fouind the others, they'll hit NEW before the next cron.daily. :) | 01:46 |
| infinity | s/NEW/ACCEPTED/ | 01:46 |
| infinity | BenC: Done. | 01:47 |
| === infinity really needs to file a "queue tool's weird behaviour confuses Adam" bug. | ||
| zul | uh...something wrong with security? | 02:13 |
| zul | Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.23.dsc: Error '550 Permission denied.' during ftp transfer of linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.23.dsc | 02:13 |
| infinity | Shouldn't be... Plenty of free disk space, and nothing looks to be mounted read-only... | 02:15 |
| infinity | Try harder? | 02:16 |
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| BenC | infinity: "Chroot problem" | 02:47 |
| infinity | LIES. | 02:47 |
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| infinity | Argh. | 02:48 |
| infinity | BenC: Fixing the chroots. sysvinit/upstart/apt confusion. | 02:50 |
| BenC | yeah, looks hairy | 02:51 |
| infinity | Not so much. Just means manual fiddling. Whee. | 02:51 |
| infinity | I didn't really want to work on my own specs today anyway. :P | 02:51 |
| Keybuk | infinity: yeah, why start now? :p | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | no worry though, no matter how much you suck, you won't equal Colin "deferred" Watson | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | :p | 02:58 |
| infinity | Ahh, but Captain Deferral also has a mess of completed work to show for it. :) | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | really, I thought he'd just been on holiday all cycle :p | 02:59 |
| infinity | No, no. That's Fabio. :) | 03:00 |
| infinity | Edgy Eft -- The Core Dev Vacation Release. | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | he never does any work anyway, nobody would have noticed the difference :p | 03:00 |
| infinity | Oh, snap! | 03:01 |
| gnomefreak | ok i have 2 kernel type updates neither are providing the kernel-2.6.17-7-386 is this ok? | 03:23 |
| infinity | BenC: All better. It built everywhere. Let linux-meta fly. | 03:23 |
| zul | Keybuk: hehe | 03:24 |
| gnomefreak | i got linux-libc-dev 2.6.17-7.20 and linux-source-2.6.17 2.6.17-7.20 | 03:24 |
| crimsun | gnomefreak: if you can just hold off, say, a couple hours... | 03:24 |
| infinity | gnomefreak: You won't get a forced kernel upgrade until linux-meta is built. | 03:24 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | wasnt sure if upgrading now was gonna break it or not | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | ill wait til morning was just doing some bug work and decided to update | 03:25 |
| infinity | BenC: Uh oh. I didn't lose you to sleep, did I? :) | 03:44 |
| BenC | nope, still here | 03:47 |
| infinity | Yay. | 03:47 |
| infinity | -meta me, baby. | 03:47 |
| BenC | ok | 03:47 |
| zul | meh...qemu is broken.. | 04:02 |
| infinity | BenC: I'm guessing it wasn't actually ready to upload? You just missed a publisher run. Tsk. :) | 04:03 |
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| BenC | infinity: I'm booted into macox right now playing some online poker, so I need to reboot to get to the files :) | 04:47 |
| infinity | BenC: Pretty please? :) | 04:48 |
| BenC | infinity: wish it was just an ABI bump, but it's got all the flavour changes | 04:48 |
| BenC | will do within the next 30 minutes | 04:48 |
| infinity | BenC: I'd like to see the kernel update completed before FF, and since the -meta change is relatively complex, I dont't want to duplicate the effort. :) | 04:48 |
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| infinity | BenC: I assume all the flavours seemlessly upgrade (like, my -686 will get a forced upgrade to -generic), right? | 04:49 |
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| BenC | infinity: Yeah | 05:24 |
| BenC | infinity: rebooting now | 05:24 |
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| BenC | infinity: and it's off | 05:35 |
| infinity | Yay. Thanks, dude. | 05:35 |
| infinity | Go ignore your computer for the evening. Sorry to keep you around. | 05:35 |
| infinity | (Well, ignore IRC anyway.. Have fun with poker) | 05:36 |
| BenC | no problem, I'll keep IRC open, so ping me if anything craps up | 05:36 |
| infinity | Have you no faith? | 05:36 |
| infinity | Surely, it's all perfect. | 05:36 |
| infinity | Right? | 05:36 |
| BenC | what I did was perfect, but the buildd's seem a little unreliable :) | 05:36 |
| infinity | Uh huh. Like the undefined Makefile ordering that you blamed on pitti? :) | 05:37 |
| infinity | (Well, you blamed it on me, I blamed it on him. Faster buck-passing, I've never seen) | 05:37 |
| BenC | actually, it was a dh_strip being called on a nonexistent directory :) | 05:38 |
| BenC | but it worked on my box!! | 05:38 |
| infinity | Yes, because the makefile ordering was sketchy (a target that should have depende on another target didn't) | 05:38 |
| infinity | And dh_strip is buggy for allowing that, afaict. pitti filed a bug with Debian. | 05:38 |
| BenC | yeah, it's defnitely a bug | 05:39 |
| BenC | leave it to some weird program to expose bugs in another program, and my build system :P | 05:39 |
| infinity | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386246 | 05:40 |
| infinity | No response from Joey yet. I was expecting a pretty rapid smackdown as soon as he saw the word "wrapper" in a debhelper bug report. | 05:40 |
| BenC | lol | 05:44 |
| infinity | I'm just surprised that no rabid Debian developers have yet contacted me personally to yell at me for diverting dpkg-deb on our buildds. | 05:47 |
| infinity | This is, quite possibly, my favourite hideous Ubuntu hack to date. | 05:48 |
| infinity | Uncle LaMont has taught me well. | 05:48 |
| lamont | infinity: oh my goodness | 05:48 |
| infinity | Hello there, Mr Nick Hilight. | 05:49 |
| infinity | Of course, what I want to know is if you hilight on "LaMont", or on any occurance of the words "hideous" and "hack" in the same sentence. | 05:50 |
| infinity | :P | 05:50 |
| lamont | infinity: heh | 05:50 |
| BenC | lamont: Hey, I have a question | 05:51 |
| BenC | lamont: should I even worry about hppa anymore? | 05:51 |
| infinity | To your credit, the shoestring-and-bubblegum that is the w-b buildd network with sanae has held together fine with nearly zero intervention. | 05:51 |
| lamont | BenC: it's going to get love post-edgy | 05:52 |
| infinity | BenC: That all depends on Carlos and jbailey, but I suspect it'll skip edgy. | 05:52 |
| lamont | don't worry too much about it until after edgy ships | 05:52 |
| lamont | infinity: word from jbailey this morning was to that effect. | 05:52 |
| BenC | so if it fails to build right now, I can just ignore it? | 05:52 |
| infinity | BenC: It won't even try, let alone fail (on the buildds, that is) | 05:52 |
| lamont | BenC: well, don't gratuitously break it, but 2.6.17 is known to not boot, 2.6.18 actually boots | 05:52 |
| lamont | (in at least some configs) | 05:53 |
| BenC | lamont: are you kidding? I am running 2.6.17 on my a500 :) | 05:53 |
| lamont | current dapper kernel, that is | 05:53 |
| BenC | but yeah, the default config fails for me | 05:53 |
| lamont | right | 05:53 |
| lamont | I've been rather distracted the last month or so - personal legal crap | 05:53 |
| BenC | something to do with the console stuff | 05:53 |
| infinity | Who needs a console anyway? | 05:54 |
| lamont | way overrated. | 05:54 |
| infinity | Which reminds me... | 05:54 |
| BenC | the hardware seems to prefer it, since it halts the kernel because of it :) | 05:55 |
| infinity | lamont: The box you sent me, being rack kit, rather than desktop kit, doesn't have a video card. Any urge to dig one up for me for livecd console testing? | 05:55 |
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| BenC | a vid card for the a500 that is | 05:55 |
| lamont | I can look around, but frankly, you're best off grabbing a (semi-) random PCI video card | 05:55 |
| infinity | lamont: Or just send me a desktop-class workstation, and I can have two. That won't bug me either. :) | 05:56 |
| BenC | I don't think I've ever opened my box | 05:56 |
| lamont | more particularly, none of the existing Visualize F*(tm) cards do much of any interest | 05:56 |
| infinity | lamont: Ahh, I could do that, yes. I wanted to test with hp-specific X drivers, but that's hardly critical. | 05:56 |
| infinity | lamont: Also, I assume, based on the lack of PS/2 ports on this box, that it boots with a USB keyboard just dandily? | 05:57 |
| lamont | kyle is currently being distracted from writing visualize FX drivers by his kernel work | 05:57 |
| infinity | (Forgive me, my last hppa box was a C200, I'm all old skool) | 05:57 |
| lamont | USB kbd/mouse would be the expectation. note that lack of video card being detected by the bios results in a serial console on the first serial port | 05:57 |
| infinity | Yeah, I know that part. :) | 05:57 |
| infinity | Serial works fine on the thing. | 05:57 |
| lamont | so as long as the video card gets detected by firmware, you're golden. If not, life sucks | 05:58 |
| infinity | Actually, on the C200, it was even sneakier, it booted to serial if it didn't detect a monitor, even if there was a video card. | 05:58 |
| infinity | Somewhat irritating, if you weren't expecting that behaviour. | 05:58 |
| lamont | yeah, I expect so | 05:58 |
| lamont | but with built-in video, what do you expect.... | 05:58 |
| infinity | Wasn't built-in. | 05:58 |
| infinity | It was some honkin' Visualize thingee. | 05:59 |
| === lamont thought the C200 had one... | ||
| lamont | ah - well, said Visualize thingy should plug into the A500 just fine... or didn't I send you a J6700? | 05:59 |
| infinity | You sent me a J6700, yes. Of course, my C200 has been long gone for years. | 05:59 |
| infinity | If I still had it, I wouldn't have asked you for a newer machine. | 06:00 |
| lamont | if J6700, it should have built-in video, I thought.... stupid strange connector (EVC), rather than a VGA connector | 06:00 |
| infinity | It was "fast enough", after all. | 06:00 |
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| infinity | It's just serial/lan/usb/scsi/sound on the back. No video. | 06:00 |
| infinity | But, yeah. I'll find some random PCI hunk of junk when the time comes to test. | 06:01 |
| lamont | hrm. ok. | 06:01 |
| === infinity misses his massive stockpile of parts he had in Canada. | ||
| infinity | Moving is hell on the tech hoarding. | 06:01 |
| BenC | went through my parts boxes today looking for a ps2 module | 06:02 |
| BenC | found stuff I forgot I had | 06:02 |
| infinity | When I went through my parts bins before moving, I ended up building about 8 machines and giving them away to friends. | 06:03 |
| BenC | hehe | 06:03 |
| infinity | Including finding enough spare parts to build a second AlphaServer that I didn't know I had. | 06:03 |
| BenC | I usually just find stuff to toss on ebay | 06:03 |
| lamont | hrm.. that reminds me. I need to build a machine for a friend's wedding present (they got married saturday, so I'm now late) | 06:04 |
| === lamont has a B160 he could send infinity | ||
| infinity | Not sure I need to go that far back in time. :) | 06:05 |
| infinity | I'll just be happy when edgy+1 starts happening on this J6700. | 06:05 |
| infinity | I also need to find a cheap/free rack, I think. | 06:05 |
| BenC | I need one of those too | 06:06 |
| BenC | something with a nice cooling/ventilation system | 06:06 |
| infinity | I built my last one. Built it into the hutch in a desk. | 06:06 |
| infinity | Not sure I want to go that route this time. | 06:06 |
| BenC | I actually need like a 7 foot high rack | 06:06 |
| infinity | Ahh, I'm not there yet. Not unless lamont starts getting more generous. :) | 06:07 |
| BenC | with wheels, power strips, cooling, and other neat stuff | 06:07 |
| infinity | Racing stripes too? | 06:07 |
| infinity | And a laser on top? | 06:07 |
| BenC | yeah, read with white stripes | 06:07 |
| BenC | and a night rider light ont the fronty | 06:08 |
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| infinity | Okay, see, night rider lights would be awesome. I should build a set. | 06:08 |
| BenC | wow, it's late...three typos in those last two lines | 06:08 |
| infinity | Thanks for giving me yet another pointless thing to do on the weekend. | 06:08 |
| BenC | lol | 06:08 |
| BenC | infinity: don't forget the little "woo woo" sound :) | 06:08 |
| infinity | The more important part is that when you open the front door, there'll be a headshot of David Hasselhoff stuck to the front of the machines. | 06:09 |
| lamont | http://people.debian.org/~lamont/woowoo.wav | 06:10 |
| lamont | admittedly, not 100% relevant, but it does have the "woo woo" sound... | 06:11 |
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| BenC | lamont: good night | 06:14 |
| lamont | g'night | 06:14 |
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| Mithrandir | zul: \o/ the nvidia driver worked for me with your patch. | 07:52 |
| Mithrandir | zul: however, xend fails to start for me, it claims it fails to add device probewatch. | 07:53 |
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| gnomefreak | what file should i add to a bug on 2.6.17-7-386 if it doesnt boot? | 12:59 |
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| BenC | gnomefreak: Boot without the quiet option, and take a photo of the screen where it stops | 03:40 |
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| janimo | I get this at the end of a custom build | 03:47 |
| janimo | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.17-kdump not in control info | 03:47 |
| janimo | the control file has such a package but without the 2.6.17 in it | 03:48 |
| BenC | you're using non-edgy kernel-package I assume | 03:48 |
| janimo | I followed the instructions in the wiki, and did a menuconfig, w/o changing the code | 03:48 |
| janimo | BenC: indeed it's on a dapper box | 03:48 |
| janimo | are incompatible? | 03:48 |
| zul | yep incompatible | 03:49 |
| BenC | you need to check the Build-Depends in debian/control | 03:49 |
| BenC | make sure all of them are met (including the min version) | 03:49 |
| janimo | ok, apart fromt this package do others need to be edgy versions? | 03:49 |
| janimo | I may get away with installing this one | 03:50 |
| BenC | that's what Build-Depends is there for | 03:50 |
| infinity | janimo: dpkg-checkbuilddeps will tell you. | 03:50 |
| janimo | ok, thanks | 03:50 |
| zul | BenC: people have been bugging me about those jmicron patches are they in your tree yet? | 04:11 |
| BenC | zul: going in today | 04:12 |
| zul | sweet.. | 04:12 |
| zul | thanks | 04:12 |
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| BenC | gnomefreak: Found out why it doesn't boot yet? | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | yep | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | it cant find hda1 | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | sorry | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | sda1 | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | changing it to hda1 works | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | BenC: wasnt linux-source updated for -7? | 04:14 |
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| zul | need to reboot | 04:28 |
| gnomefreak | me? | 04:30 |
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| Mithrandir | zul: did you see my question about xend last night? | 04:57 |
| zul | i dont think so | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | Sep 6 23:43:24 xoog BLKTAPCTRL: blktap0 open failed | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | Sep 6 23:43:24 xoog BLKTAPCTRL: Unable to start blktapctrl | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | are the errors I get. | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | apart from that, your nvidia patch seems to work for me | 05:00 |
| zul | ok..did you install the bridge-utils? | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | they're installed, yes. | 05:01 |
| zul | ok.. | 05:01 |
| zul | im getting the same.. | 05:01 |
| zul | *sigh* | 05:02 |
| Mithrandir | and I suspect xen isn't much use without? | 05:02 |
| zul | yeahh...try to find a fix | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | google isn't very helpful. | 05:04 |
| zul | yep checking the xen mailing lists | 05:05 |
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| BenC | gnomefreak: Did you install using edgy knot? | 05:35 |
| BenC | or is this a dapper upgraded system | 05:36 |
| gnomefreak | knot 2 i think | 05:36 |
| BenC | that makes sense then, and I expected it | 05:36 |
| gnomefreak | ive tested all kinds of ways with edgy since june | 05:36 |
| BenC | that wouldn't happen on a dapper->edgy | 05:36 |
| BenC | so just ignore it | 05:36 |
| BenC | no bug report, because I can't "fix" it | 05:37 |
| gnomefreak | no not dapper to edgy this was clean install | 05:37 |
| BenC | also, UUID usage should have kept that from happening | 05:37 |
| BenC | I know | 05:37 |
| gnomefreak | k | 05:37 |
| BenC | dapper->edgy wont break like that | 05:37 |
| gnomefreak | no other things break that way ;) | 05:37 |
| gnomefreak | theres a bunch wrong with latest updates its not just kernel | 05:38 |
| BenC | the thing is that your driver being sda1 in edgy was broken in the first place, it should have been hda1 all along | 05:40 |
| BenC | gnomefreak: Are you not using grub? | 05:41 |
| gnomefreak | i am | 05:41 |
| BenC | so it doesn't have root=UUID=XXXX for the root dev? | 05:41 |
| gnomefreak | hold on ill check but i dont htink it did | 05:42 |
| gnomefreak | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-7-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash | 05:44 |
| gnomefreak | thats all i got in that line | 05:44 |
| gnomefreak | same with -6 and that one works as sda1 | 05:44 |
| mjg59 | gnomefreak: Have you changed that yourself? | 05:44 |
| gnomefreak | i changes sda1 to hda1 in -7 to get it to boot | 05:45 |
| BenC | no, he means not having UUID= in there | 05:45 |
| gnomefreak | no i didnt touch that | 05:45 |
| BenC | that does /etc/fstab have? | 05:45 |
| mjg59 | How did sda1 ever get in there? | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | mjg59: it is there on stock install | 05:46 |
| BenC | mjg59: he's suffering from a knot-2 install that used ATA_ENABLE_PATA, so had sda1, and now -7 is using hda1...which I expected to happen | 05:46 |
| mjg59 | Ok, but that implies that there was a bug in the installer | 05:46 |
| BenC | but I expected the UUID stuff to keep it from breaking existing edgy systems | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | haha, the xen-3.0 source package includes a copy of figlet. | 05:47 |
| mjg59 | Since it should have provided the UUID, not the device node | 05:47 |
| BenC | gnomefreak: file a bug on the installer | 05:47 |
| BenC | for grub installs, at least, it should provide UUID= | 05:47 |
| gnomefreak | what is alternative installer called as a package? | 05:48 |
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| BenC | not sure | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | ok ill find it ty | 05:51 |
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| Keybuk | "Some of this code dates back to the beginning of Linux; since then it has been maintained by a substantial list of people, a number of whom are widely held to have been driven insane by the experience." | 06:34 |
| Keybuk | ROFL | 06:34 |
| BenC | what code is that? | 06:35 |
| Keybuk | IDE subsystem | 06:36 |
| BenC | hehe | 06:36 |
| zul | heh...i think we are on our way to be insane...at least i am | 06:36 |
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| zul | Mithrandir: im going to resynchronize with debian tonight see if something broke | 07:34 |
| Mithrandir | zul: cheers. Still no tree online, I suspect? | 07:34 |
| zul | heh...if i put it on my computer then it slows down my connection and my wife complains so im trying to get it into bzr on launchpad | 07:35 |
| zul | but for some reason the push is timing out which sucks | 07:36 |
| Mithrandir | zul: you want to keep it in bzr rather than git? | 07:36 |
| zul | its just an infrastructure thing | 07:37 |
| zul | i dont have the bandwidth to host a git | 07:37 |
| Mithrandir | git can be pulled over http, right? It doesn't have to have a smart server? | 07:38 |
| infinity | Right. | 07:38 |
| Mithrandir | I can easily set up a public mirror for you, if you want. | 07:38 |
| Mithrandir | it'd still require pulling the patches off your server, but just once. | 07:38 |
| zul | that would be good | 07:38 |
| zul | ill send you a url tonight | 07:39 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 07:39 |
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| mjg59 | Waitasec. | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | How do these x86/x86_64 generic kernels work? | 09:06 |
| BenC | the x86_64 on is the same as the old amd64-generic kernel | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | Oh | 09:07 |
| BenC | the x86 one is pretty much the -686 kernel dumbed down to PentiumPro or better | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | So it's just the description | 09:07 |
| BenC | yeah | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, I thought it suggested one kernel for both | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | Do you mean PentiumPro or better, or Pentium or better? | 09:08 |
| mjg59 | There was a bug from a C3 user | 09:08 |
| BenC | since they are the same name package, I could only have one listing in control | 09:08 |
| BenC | I'm pretty sure it's 586 | 09:08 |
| BenC | CONFIG_M586=y | 09:12 |
| BenC | CONFIG_M586=y | 09:12 |
| BenC | CONFIG_M586=y | 09:12 |
| BenC | CONFIG_M586=y | 09:12 |
| BenC | oops | 09:12 |
| BenC | hmm, I don't have CONFIG_X86_GENERIC enabled | 09:13 |
| BenC | ah, nm, that's for bigiron | 09:14 |
| BenC | and server | 09:14 |
| BenC | shit, no GENERICARCH is for server, I do need X86_GENERIC set | 09:15 |
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| zul | later.. | 09:54 |
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| neuralis | zul: can you ping me when you're around? | 10:38 |
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| zul | neuralis: if its about xen im working on it | 10:54 |
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| neuralis | zul: known xend issue, then? | 10:55 |
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| zul | yep | 10:56 |
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| gnomefreak | where do the kernel-source files get installed? nvidia is telling me it cant find them and it says to run it with --kernel-source-path | 10:57 |
| neuralis | zul: cool. my test shuttle is live, so let me know if you'd like me to do any testing for you. | 10:57 |
| zul | ok | 10:58 |
| BenC | gnome: a) you could just use linux-restricted-modules, and b) to compile modules, install linux-headers-generic | 11:04 |
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