[12:44] <infinity> BenC: Ping.
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[01:29] <infinity> BenC: Nevermind, I see you already uploaded for the Makefile target confusion breakage.
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[01:39] <BenC> infinity: Yeah, I just need lrm pushed out of dep-wait
[01:39] <infinity> BenC: I'm NEWing the kernel right now to make that happen.
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[01:42] <BenC> infinity: thanks
[01:42] <BenC> I'll upload linux-meta in a few minutes then
[01:43] <infinity> Or, I would be, if I could find anything in the NEW queue other than i386...
[01:44] <infinity> Maybe Kamion beat me to the other arches?
[01:44] <infinity> Or soyuz lost them...
[01:45] <infinity> Or the queue tool is playing tricks on me.  Nevermind.
[01:46] <infinity> Fouind the others, they'll hit NEW before the next cron.daily. :)
[01:46] <infinity> s/NEW/ACCEPTED/
[01:47] <infinity> BenC: Done.
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[02:13] <zul> uh...something wrong with security?
[02:13] <zul> Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.23.dsc: Error '550 Permission denied.' during ftp transfer of linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.23.dsc
[02:15] <infinity> Shouldn't be... Plenty of free disk space, and nothing looks to be mounted read-only...
[02:16] <infinity> Try harder?
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[02:47] <BenC> infinity: "Chroot problem"
[02:47] <infinity> LIES.
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[02:48] <infinity> Argh.
[02:50] <infinity> BenC: Fixing the chroots.  sysvinit/upstart/apt confusion.
[02:51] <BenC> yeah, looks hairy
[02:51] <infinity> Not so much.  Just means manual fiddling.  Whee.
[02:51] <infinity> I didn't really want to work on my own specs today anyway. :P
[02:58] <Keybuk> infinity: yeah, why start now? :p
[02:58] <Keybuk> no worry though, no matter how much you suck, you won't equal Colin "deferred" Watson
[02:58] <Keybuk> :p
[02:59] <infinity> Ahh, but Captain Deferral also has a mess of completed work to show for it. :)
[02:59] <Keybuk> really, I thought he'd just been on holiday all cycle :p
[03:00] <infinity> No, no.  That's Fabio. :)
[03:00] <infinity> Edgy Eft -- The Core Dev Vacation Release.
[03:00] <Keybuk> he never does any work anyway, nobody would have noticed the difference :p
[03:01] <infinity> Oh, snap!
[03:23] <gnomefreak> ok i have 2 kernel type updates neither are providing the kernel-2.6.17-7-386 is this ok?
[03:23] <infinity> BenC: All better.  It built everywhere.  Let linux-meta fly.
[03:24] <zul> Keybuk: hehe
[03:24] <gnomefreak> i got linux-libc-dev 2.6.17-7.20 and linux-source-2.6.17 2.6.17-7.20  
[03:24] <crimsun> gnomefreak: if you can just hold off, say, a couple hours...
[03:24] <infinity> gnomefreak: You won't get a forced kernel upgrade until linux-meta is built.
[03:25] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[03:25] <gnomefreak> wasnt sure if upgrading now was gonna break it or not
[03:25] <gnomefreak> ill wait til morning was just doing some bug work and decided to update
[03:44] <infinity> BenC: Uh oh.  I didn't lose you to sleep, did I? :)
[03:47] <BenC> nope, still here
[03:47] <infinity> Yay.
[03:47] <infinity> -meta me, baby.
[03:47] <BenC> ok
[04:02] <zul> meh...qemu is broken..
[04:03] <infinity> BenC: I'm guessing it wasn't actually ready to upload?  You just missed a publisher run.  Tsk. :)
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[04:47] <BenC> infinity: I'm booted into macox right now playing some online poker, so I need to reboot to get to the files :)
[04:48] <infinity> BenC: Pretty please? :)
[04:48] <BenC> infinity: wish it was just an ABI bump, but it's got all the flavour changes
[04:48] <BenC> will do within the next 30 minutes
[04:48] <infinity> BenC: I'd like to see the kernel update completed before FF, and since the -meta change is relatively complex, I dont't want to duplicate the effort. :)
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[04:49] <infinity> BenC: I assume all the flavours seemlessly upgrade (like, my -686 will get a forced upgrade to -generic), right?
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[05:24] <BenC> infinity: Yeah
[05:24] <BenC> infinity: rebooting now
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[05:35] <BenC> infinity: and it's off
[05:35] <infinity> Yay.  Thanks, dude.
[05:35] <infinity> Go ignore your computer for the evening.  Sorry to keep you around.
[05:36] <infinity> (Well, ignore IRC anyway.. Have fun with poker)
[05:36] <BenC> no problem, I'll keep IRC open, so ping me if anything craps up
[05:36] <infinity> Have you no faith?
[05:36] <infinity> Surely, it's all perfect.
[05:36] <infinity> Right?
[05:36] <BenC> what I did was perfect, but the buildd's seem a little unreliable :)
[05:37] <infinity> Uh huh.  Like the undefined Makefile ordering that you blamed on pitti? :)
[05:37] <infinity> (Well, you blamed it on me, I blamed it on him.  Faster buck-passing, I've never seen)
[05:38] <BenC> actually, it was a dh_strip being called on a nonexistent directory :)
[05:38] <BenC> but it worked on my box!!
[05:38] <infinity> Yes, because the makefile ordering was sketchy (a target that should have depende on another target didn't)
[05:38] <infinity> And dh_strip is buggy for allowing that, afaict.  pitti filed a bug with Debian.
[05:39] <BenC> yeah, it's defnitely a bug
[05:39] <BenC> leave it to some weird program to expose bugs in another program, and my build system :P
[05:40] <infinity> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386246
[05:40] <infinity> No response from Joey yet.  I was expecting a pretty rapid smackdown as soon as he saw the word "wrapper" in a debhelper bug report.
[05:44] <BenC> lol
[05:47] <infinity> I'm just surprised that no rabid Debian developers have yet contacted me personally to yell at me for diverting dpkg-deb on our buildds.
[05:48] <infinity> This is, quite possibly, my favourite hideous Ubuntu hack to date.
[05:48] <infinity> Uncle LaMont has taught me well.
[05:48] <lamont> infinity: oh my goodness
[05:49] <infinity> Hello there, Mr Nick Hilight.
[05:50] <infinity> Of course, what I want to know is if you hilight on "LaMont", or on any occurance of the words "hideous" and "hack" in the same sentence.
[05:50] <infinity> :P
[05:50] <lamont> infinity: heh
[05:51] <BenC> lamont: Hey, I have a question
[05:51] <BenC> lamont: should I even worry about hppa anymore?
[05:51] <infinity> To your credit, the shoestring-and-bubblegum that is the w-b buildd network with sanae has held together fine with nearly zero intervention.
[05:52] <lamont> BenC: it's going to get love post-edgy
[05:52] <infinity> BenC: That all depends on Carlos and jbailey, but I suspect it'll skip edgy.
[05:52] <lamont> don't worry too much about it until after edgy ships
[05:52] <lamont> infinity: word from jbailey this morning was to that effect.
[05:52] <BenC> so if it fails to build right now, I can just ignore it?
[05:52] <infinity> BenC: It won't even try, let alone fail (on the buildds, that is)
[05:52] <lamont> BenC: well, don't gratuitously break it, but 2.6.17 is known to not boot, 2.6.18 actually boots
[05:53] <lamont> (in at least some configs)
[05:53] <BenC> lamont: are you kidding? I am running 2.6.17 on my a500 :)
[05:53] <lamont> current dapper kernel, that is
[05:53] <BenC> but yeah, the default config fails for me
[05:53] <lamont> right
[05:53] <lamont> I've been rather distracted the last month or so - personal legal crap
[05:53] <BenC> something to do with the console stuff
[05:54] <infinity> Who needs a console anyway?
[05:54] <lamont> way overrated.
[05:54] <infinity> Which reminds me...
[05:55] <BenC> the hardware seems to prefer it, since it halts the kernel because of it :)
[05:55] <infinity> lamont: The box you sent me, being rack kit, rather than desktop kit, doesn't have a video card.  Any urge to dig one up for me for livecd console testing?
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[05:55] <BenC> a vid card for the a500 that is
[05:55] <lamont> I can look around, but frankly, you're best off grabbing a (semi-) random PCI video card
[05:56] <infinity> lamont: Or just send me a desktop-class workstation, and I can have two.  That won't bug me either. :)
[05:56] <BenC> I don't think I've ever opened my box
[05:56] <lamont> more particularly, none of the existing Visualize F*(tm) cards do much of any interest
[05:56] <infinity> lamont: Ahh, I could do that, yes.  I wanted to test with hp-specific X drivers, but that's hardly critical.
[05:57] <infinity> lamont: Also, I assume, based on the lack of PS/2 ports on this box, that it boots with a USB keyboard just dandily?
[05:57] <lamont> kyle is currently being distracted from writing visualize FX drivers by his kernel work
[05:57] <infinity> (Forgive me, my last hppa box was a C200, I'm all old skool)
[05:57] <lamont> USB kbd/mouse would be the expectation.  note that lack of video card being detected by the bios results in a serial console on the first serial port
[05:57] <infinity> Yeah, I know that part. :)
[05:57] <infinity> Serial works fine on the thing.
[05:58] <lamont> so as long as the video card gets detected by firmware, you're golden.  If not, life sucks
[05:58] <infinity> Actually, on the C200, it was even sneakier, it booted to serial if it didn't detect a monitor, even if there was a video card.
[05:58] <infinity> Somewhat irritating, if you weren't expecting that behaviour.
[05:58] <lamont> yeah, I expect so
[05:58] <lamont> but with built-in video, what do you expect....
[05:58] <infinity> Wasn't built-in.
[05:59] <infinity> It was some honkin' Visualize thingee.
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[05:59] <lamont> ah - well, said Visualize thingy should plug into the A500 just fine... or didn't I send you a J6700?
[05:59] <infinity> You sent me a J6700, yes.  Of course, my C200 has been long gone for years.
[06:00] <infinity> If I still had it, I wouldn't have asked you for a newer machine.
[06:00] <lamont> if J6700, it should have built-in video, I thought....  stupid strange connector (EVC), rather than a VGA connector
[06:00] <infinity> It was "fast enough", after all.
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[06:00] <infinity> It's just serial/lan/usb/scsi/sound on the back.  No video.
[06:01] <infinity> But, yeah.  I'll find some random PCI hunk of junk when the time comes to test.
[06:01] <lamont> hrm.  ok.
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[06:01] <infinity> Moving is hell on the tech hoarding.
[06:02] <BenC> went through my parts boxes today looking for a ps2 module
[06:02] <BenC> found stuff I forgot I had
[06:03] <infinity> When I went through my parts bins before moving, I ended up building about 8 machines and giving them away to friends.
[06:03] <BenC> hehe
[06:03] <infinity> Including finding enough spare parts to build a second AlphaServer that I didn't know I had.
[06:03] <BenC> I usually just find stuff to toss on ebay
[06:04] <lamont> hrm.. that reminds me.  I need to build a machine for a friend's wedding present (they got married saturday, so I'm now late)
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[06:05] <infinity> Not sure I need to go that far back in time. :)
[06:05] <infinity> I'll just be happy when edgy+1 starts happening on this J6700.
[06:05] <infinity> I also need to find a cheap/free rack, I think.
[06:06] <BenC> I need one of those too
[06:06] <BenC> something with a nice cooling/ventilation system
[06:06] <infinity> I built my last one.  Built it into the hutch in a desk.
[06:06] <infinity> Not sure I want to go that route this time.
[06:06] <BenC> I actually need like a 7 foot high rack
[06:07] <infinity> Ahh, I'm not there yet.  Not unless lamont starts getting more generous. :)
[06:07] <BenC> with wheels, power strips, cooling, and other neat stuff
[06:07] <infinity> Racing stripes too?
[06:07] <infinity> And a laser on top?
[06:07] <BenC> yeah, read with white stripes
[06:08] <BenC> and a night rider light ont the fronty
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[06:08] <infinity> Okay, see, night rider lights would be awesome.  I should build a set.
[06:08] <BenC> wow, it's late...three typos in those last two lines
[06:08] <infinity> Thanks for giving me yet another pointless thing to do on the weekend.
[06:08] <BenC> lol
[06:08] <BenC> infinity: don't forget the little "woo woo" sound :)
[06:09] <infinity> The more important part is that when you open the front door, there'll be a headshot of David Hasselhoff stuck to the front of the machines.
[06:10] <lamont> http://people.debian.org/~lamont/woowoo.wav
[06:11] <lamont> admittedly, not 100% relevant, but it does have the "woo woo" sound...
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[06:14] <BenC> lamont: good night
[06:14] <lamont> g'night
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[07:52] <Mithrandir> zul: \o/ the nvidia driver worked for me with your patch.
[07:53] <Mithrandir> zul: however, xend fails to start for me, it claims it fails to add device probewatch.
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[12:59] <gnomefreak> what file should i add to a bug on 2.6.17-7-386 if it doesnt boot?
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[03:40] <BenC> gnomefreak: Boot without the quiet option, and take a photo of the screen where it stops
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[03:47] <janimo> I get this at the end of a custom build
[03:47] <janimo> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.17-kdump not in control info
[03:48] <janimo> the control file has such a package but without the 2.6.17 in it
[03:48] <BenC> you're using non-edgy kernel-package I assume
[03:48] <janimo> I followed the instructions in the wiki, and did a menuconfig, w/o changing the code
[03:48] <janimo> BenC: indeed it's on a dapper box
[03:48] <janimo> are incompatible?
[03:49] <zul> yep incompatible
[03:49] <BenC> you need to check the Build-Depends in debian/control
[03:49] <BenC> make sure all of them are met (including the min version)
[03:49] <janimo> ok, apart fromt this package do others need to be edgy versions?
[03:50] <janimo> I may get away with installing this one
[03:50] <BenC> that's what Build-Depends is there for
[03:50] <infinity> janimo: dpkg-checkbuilddeps will tell you.
[03:50] <janimo> ok, thanks
[04:11] <zul> BenC: people have been bugging me about those jmicron patches are they in your tree yet?
[04:12] <BenC> zul: going in today
[04:12] <zul> sweet..
[04:12] <zul> thanks
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[04:13] <BenC> gnomefreak: Found out why it doesn't boot yet?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:13] <gnomefreak> it cant find hda1
[04:13] <gnomefreak> sorry
[04:13] <gnomefreak> sda1
[04:13] <gnomefreak> changing it to hda1 works
[04:14] <gnomefreak> BenC: wasnt linux-source updated for -7?
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[04:28] <zul> need to reboot
[04:30] <gnomefreak> me?
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[04:57] <Mithrandir> zul: did you see my question about xend last night?
[04:57] <zul> i dont think so
[05:00] <Mithrandir> Sep  6 23:43:24 xoog BLKTAPCTRL: blktap0 open failed
[05:00] <Mithrandir> Sep  6 23:43:24 xoog BLKTAPCTRL: Unable to start blktapctrl
[05:00] <Mithrandir> are the errors I get.
[05:00] <Mithrandir> apart from that, your nvidia patch seems to work for me
[05:00] <zul> ok..did you install the bridge-utils?
[05:01] <Mithrandir> they're installed, yes.
[05:01] <zul> ok..
[05:01] <zul> im getting the same..
[05:02] <zul> *sigh*
[05:02] <Mithrandir> and I suspect xen isn't much use without?
[05:03] <zul> yeahh...try to find a fix
[05:04] <Mithrandir> google isn't very helpful.
[05:05] <zul> yep checking the xen mailing lists
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[05:35] <BenC> gnomefreak: Did you install using edgy knot?
[05:36] <BenC> or is this a dapper upgraded system
[05:36] <gnomefreak> knot 2 i think
[05:36] <BenC> that makes sense then, and I expected it
[05:36] <gnomefreak> ive tested all kinds of ways with edgy since june
[05:36] <BenC> that wouldn't happen on a dapper->edgy
[05:36] <BenC> so just ignore it
[05:37] <BenC> no bug report, because I can't "fix" it
[05:37] <gnomefreak> no not dapper to edgy this was clean install
[05:37] <BenC> also, UUID usage should have kept that from happening
[05:37] <BenC> I know
[05:37] <gnomefreak> k
[05:37] <BenC> dapper->edgy wont break like that
[05:37] <gnomefreak> no other things break that way ;)
[05:38] <gnomefreak> theres a bunch wrong with latest updates its not just kernel 
[05:40] <BenC> the thing is that your driver being sda1 in edgy was broken in the first place, it should have been hda1 all along
[05:41] <BenC> gnomefreak: Are you not using grub?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> i am
[05:41] <BenC> so it doesn't have root=UUID=XXXX for the root dev?
[05:42] <gnomefreak> hold on ill check but i dont htink it did
[05:44] <gnomefreak> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-7-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash 
[05:44] <gnomefreak> thats all i got in that line
[05:44] <gnomefreak> same with -6 and that one works as sda1
[05:44] <mjg59> gnomefreak: Have you changed that yourself?
[05:45] <gnomefreak> i changes sda1 to hda1 in -7 to get it to boot
[05:45] <BenC> no, he means not having UUID= in there
[05:45] <gnomefreak> no i didnt touch that
[05:45] <BenC> that does /etc/fstab have?
[05:46] <mjg59> How did sda1 ever get in there?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> mjg59: it is there on stock install
[05:46] <BenC> mjg59: he's suffering from a knot-2 install that used ATA_ENABLE_PATA, so had sda1, and now -7 is using hda1...which I expected to happen
[05:46] <mjg59> Ok, but that implies that there was a bug in the installer
[05:47] <BenC> but I expected the UUID stuff to keep it from breaking existing edgy systems
[05:47] <Mithrandir> haha, the xen-3.0 source package includes a copy of figlet.
[05:47] <mjg59> Since it should have provided the UUID, not the device node
[05:47] <BenC> gnomefreak: file a bug on the installer
[05:47] <BenC> for grub installs, at least, it should provide UUID=
[05:48] <gnomefreak> what is alternative installer called as a package?
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[05:50] <BenC> not sure
[05:51] <gnomefreak> ok ill find it ty
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[06:34] <Keybuk> "Some of this code dates back to the beginning of Linux; since then it has been maintained by a substantial list of people, a number of whom are widely held to have been driven insane by the experience."
[06:34] <Keybuk> ROFL
[06:35] <BenC> what code is that?
[06:36] <Keybuk> IDE subsystem
[06:36] <BenC> hehe
[06:36] <zul> heh...i think we are on our way to be insane...at least i am
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[07:34] <zul> Mithrandir: im going to resynchronize with debian tonight see if something broke
[07:34] <Mithrandir> zul: cheers.  Still no tree online, I suspect?
[07:35] <zul> heh...if i put it on my computer then it slows down my connection and my wife complains so im trying to get it into bzr on launchpad
[07:36] <zul> but for some reason the push is timing out which sucks
[07:36] <Mithrandir> zul: you want to keep it in bzr rather than git?
[07:37] <zul> its just an infrastructure thing
[07:37] <zul> i dont have the bandwidth to host a git
[07:38] <Mithrandir> git can be pulled over http, right?  It doesn't have to have a smart server?
[07:38] <infinity> Right.
[07:38] <Mithrandir> I can easily set up a public mirror for you, if you want.
[07:38] <Mithrandir> it'd still require pulling the patches off your server, but just once.
[07:38] <zul> that would be good
[07:39] <zul> ill send you a url tonight
[07:39] <Mithrandir> thanks.
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[09:06] <mjg59> Waitasec.
[09:06] <mjg59> How do these x86/x86_64 generic kernels work?
[09:07] <BenC> the x86_64 on is the same as the old amd64-generic kernel
[09:07] <mjg59> Oh
[09:07] <BenC> the x86 one is pretty much the -686 kernel dumbed down to PentiumPro or better
[09:07] <mjg59> So it's just the description
[09:07] <BenC> yeah
[09:07] <mjg59> Sorry, I thought it suggested one kernel for both
[09:08] <mjg59> Do you mean PentiumPro or better, or Pentium or better?
[09:08] <mjg59> There was a bug from a C3 user
[09:08] <BenC> since they are the same name package, I could only have one listing in control
[09:08] <BenC> I'm pretty sure it's 586
[09:12] <BenC> CONFIG_M586=y
[09:12] <BenC> CONFIG_M586=y
[09:12] <BenC> CONFIG_M586=y
[09:12] <BenC> CONFIG_M586=y
[09:12] <BenC> oops
[09:13] <BenC> hmm, I don't have CONFIG_X86_GENERIC enabled
[09:14] <BenC> ah, nm, that's for bigiron
[09:14] <BenC> and server
[09:15] <BenC> shit, no GENERICARCH is for server, I do need X86_GENERIC set
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[09:54] <zul> later..
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[10:38] <neuralis> zul: can you ping me when you're around?
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[10:54] <zul> neuralis: if its about xen im working on it
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[10:55] <neuralis> zul: known xend issue, then? 
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[10:56] <zul> yep
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[10:57] <gnomefreak> where do the kernel-source files get installed? nvidia is telling me it cant find them and it says to run it with --kernel-source-path
[10:57] <neuralis> zul: cool. my test shuttle is live, so let me know if you'd like me to do any testing for you.
[10:58] <zul> ok
[11:04] <BenC> gnome: a) you could just use linux-restricted-modules, and b) to compile modules, install linux-headers-generic
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