[01:36] <Quinn_Storm> hey guys, figured I'd ask again since new people might be here...does anyone know of any good way that I could build amd64 packages on i386?  I would rather not have to build gcc from source...
[01:41] <Quinn_Storm> in fact, as I expected, I can't even make the x86_64 gcc compile
[01:42] <ajmitch> it *may* be possible to cross-compile, but it really wouldn't be nice to setup
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> ok yeah...it just is getting obnoxious that I can't have fully up to date amd64 packages for my usres
[01:42] <ajmitch> just find someone who you trust to build amd64 packages when needed
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> users^
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> I think maybe I'll see about a build service or something
[01:44] <grexk_> Quinn_Storm: Try buildd
[01:44] <Quinn_Storm> grexk_: that won't help with the need to cross-compile
[01:44] <ajmitch> grexk_: still requires having the hardware
[01:45] <grexk_> hehehe
[01:59] <zul_> that would be cool to cross compile but a pain in the ass
[01:59] <Quinn_Storm> yeah
[02:00] <Quinn_Storm> I wish I had an amd64 box...or someone who really trusted me (pbuilder needs root)
[02:00] <Quinn_Storm> well they wouldn't have to -really- trust me if they had uml
[02:01] <plugwash> hmm, if you use tt mode you should be able to install uml entirely from your normal user account
[02:01] <plugwash> and then install a pbuilder inside it
[02:01] <Quinn_Storm> tt mode? dunno much about that
[02:02] <plugwash> uml has 3 modes
[02:02] <Quinn_Storm> ah ok
[02:04] <plugwash> skas mode is the best performing and most secure but needs special support in the host kernel
[02:04] <plugwash> tt mode is the original mode and provides no secuirty (e.g. users inside your uml will be able to break out to your user account on the host
[02:04] <Quinn_Storm> tt is exactly what I'd need to make a pbuilder though
[02:04] <plugwash> tt jail mode has more security features than tt mode and doesn't need any special support on the host but is much slower than any of the other modes
[02:05] <Quinn_Storm> I wish I could just cross-compile, heh
[02:10] <fbond> this is new:
[02:10] <fbond> E: midisport-firmware: maintainer-script-calls-init-script-directly postinst:40
[02:10] <fbond> how should I be calling an initscript from my maintainer script?
[02:11] <crimsun> test for and use invoke-rc.d first only falling back to direct invocation if invoke-rc.d doesn't exist
[03:13] <ryanakca> crimsun: it's been over a month and a half since I sent the developper an e-mail to change the name from gnome-clipboard-daemon to clipboard-daemon . no response
[03:14] <crimsun> ryanakca: which developer?
[03:17] <ryanakca> it's only developper, M. Lai I think... I'll check.
[03:17] <crimsun> upstream upstream, then?
[03:17] <crimsun> I wouldn't change the name without his/her explicit written approval
[03:19] <ryanakca> yes
[03:19] <ryanakca> Mr. H. Lai
[03:21] <crimsun> don't worry about it for 6.10
[03:23] <ryanakca> hmm.. .well, he's definetly not missing... he's a developper for AutoPackage
[03:24] <Plug> When is universe-freeze?
[03:24] <crimsun> Sept 28t.
[03:24] <crimsun> +h
[03:24] <ryanakca> Sept 28th
[03:24] <Plug> Cool.  That gives me a bit more time to battle my nm-pptp-vpn plugin.
[03:27] <LaserJock> oh bugger
[03:34] <LaserJock> \o/
[03:34] <fbond> crimsun, you seem to have a handle on udev, do you have time to help me out?
[03:34] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[03:35] <fbond> my midisport-firmware package is now put together well, I think, but the firmware is no longer loaded by udev, although it worked fine under dapper
[03:35] <fbond> The device isn't recognized appropriately, it would seem.
[03:36] <fbond> I have a shallow understanding of the actual .rules file...
[03:36] <fbond> * I haven't yet uploaded the most recent version of the package to revu, but the rules file is the same
[03:36] <crimsun> pointer please?
[03:39] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/midisport-firmware-0608202105/midisport-firmware-1.2/42-midisport-firmware.rules.in
[03:39] <fbond> @firmwaredir@ is replaced during build with the correct path
[03:39] <ubuntu-es> fbond: Error: "firmwaredir@" is not a valid command.
[03:39] <fbond> hah
[03:41] <crimsun> oh
[03:41] <crimsun> usbfs isn't mounted by default anymore.
[03:42] <crimsun> I have a hackaround for my homebrewed udev rule for the M-Audio DFU
[03:42] <fbond> ok, I don't know much about that
[03:42] <fbond> so, is there anything that I personally can do about that, or is this, "sorry, can't be helped?"
[03:43] <fbond> Does my udev rule need to mount usbfs?
[03:43] <crimsun> I haven't checked fxload. Does it require usbfs?
[03:43] <fbond> I believe it does...
[03:43] <fbond> hang on 2 secs
[03:43] <crimsun> the code will have a usbfs_t
[03:43] <crimsun> if so, the code needs to be updated
[03:44] <crimsun> unfortunately I haven't done that yet
[03:44] <fbond> ues ot dpes
[03:44] <fbond> sorry
[03:44] <fbond> yes it does require usbfs
[03:45] <fbond> the fxload code needs to be updated?
[03:45] <crimsun> yes
[03:45] <fbond> to mount usbfs?
[03:45] <crimsun> no, to note rely on usbfs
[03:45] <crimsun> to not
[03:45] <crimsun> (this lag is horrible)
[03:45] <fbond> interesting
[03:45] <fbond> that's ok
[03:45] <fbond> or, it's ok for me, anyway :)
[03:46] <fbond> so, can I help you with that, or is it better just to leave it to "those who know"
[03:47] <fbond> (I'm actually a little curious as to how one would remove a dependency like that, apart from a significant re-write...)
[03:47] <crimsun> clemens needs to update it, else I'll just patch it and push it to him
[03:47] <fbond> ok, sounds good
[03:47] <fbond> in the meantime, I'll consider my package ready to go, so, keep that in mind if you have a few minutes to take a look :)
[03:47] <fbond> thanks for your help, too...
[03:48] <fbond> BTW fxload manpage also contains references to usbfs; may want to make sure the manpage gets patched, too...
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey all
[04:09] <welshbyte> hey Hobbsee
[04:09] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:10] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[04:11] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hey welshbyte, TheMuso, ajmitch
[04:48] <printk> Hello everyone.  I see there are several books that are free that are very interesting to linux.  (Linux Device Drivers Rev 3 for example).  Anyway, I was thinking about packaing these books into pdf (if not already) and creating debs to put them in /usr/share/doc.  Now I know I for one would appreciate this.  Do you guys feel this could be something that would be useful or should I not really bother?
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ufoai/  #16 most active on sf.net
[05:48] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: good, caused they were almost dead for a long time
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia: nods, I'm gonna go shower, probably make sure that's on MOTU/Teams/Games in the wiki when I get back
[06:00] <imbrandon> !ping
[06:00] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:50] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Are any MOTUs available to upload a patch for ettercap for me? It doesn't build at the moment.
[09:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:22] <Kagou> good morning dholbach
[09:22] <Mithrandir> hi Daniel
[09:23] <dholbach> hey Kagou, hey Tollef!
[09:33] <imbrandon> moins dholbach Mithrandir and Kagou
[09:33] <dholbach> hi imbrandon
[09:41] <Kagou> hey imbrandon
[09:53] <imbrandon> cypher1, please turn off away/back messages
[09:54] <cypher1> imbrandon: sure.. sorry..
[09:54] <imbrandon> no worries ;)
[09:54] <cypher1> :)
[09:54] <cypher1> tomorow is REVU DAY right
[09:55] <cypher1> nothing mentioned in topic :(
[09:55] <imbrandon> yes tomarrow is revu day
[09:56] <imbrandon> there ya go ;)
[09:56] <cypher1> :D thanks
[09:56] <Kagou> :)
[10:08] <dholbach> imbrandon: the last bit is truncated
[10:08] <imbrandon> ahh yea topic limit
[10:08] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:09] <dholbach> drop the UNMETDEPS and mysqlclient stuff
[10:09] <imbrandon> yea i was just thinking that, its been there for months
[10:09] <dholbach> the other link too
[10:09] <dholbach> MOTU bugs
[10:09] <imbrandon> kk
[10:11] <dholbach> super
[10:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:11] <cypher1> cool
[10:22] <imbrandon> who is william grant ?
[10:24] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/people/fujitsu ?
[10:25] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[11:49] <phanatic> morning
[12:37] <imbrandon>  /quit
[01:11] <frandavid100> hi guys
[01:12] <frandavid100> are we still in time to include new packages in edgy's universe?
[01:12] <phanatic> frandavid100: hi
[01:12] <phanatic> yes :)
[01:12] <frandavid100> hi phanatic
[01:13] <frandavid100> I'm very interested in getting CCL, an internet cafe control software into the repos
[01:14] <frandavid100> But I don't still have the skills to make a compliant package, so a guy from ubuntuforums did it for me here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1472615#post1472615
[01:14] <frandavid100> it still needs some tweaks I think... when's the deadline?
[01:16] <phanatic> 28th september i think
[01:17] <frandavid100> still lots of time then... somehow I thought it was this week
[01:18] <frandavid100> what if we fixed the thing and uploaded it to REVU? do you think i would hit edgy, or does it take lots of time to revise?
[01:24] <phanatic> frandavid100: it depends. but my advice is to go ahead :)
[01:24] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[01:24] <Gloubiboulga> hello phanatic
[01:25] <frandavid100> it does work ^^ I'll have to check the package descriptions and the copyright info, but it's basically done!!
[01:46] <frandavid100> see you later guys
[01:46] <frandavid100> thanks for all phanatic
[01:58] <Fujitsu> Erm, what's up with jonpollack's karma?
[01:59] <Fujitsu> He's apparently the 5th-top Ubuntu contributor, with > 500000 karma, and only two karma-related actions.
[02:02] <phanatic> Fujitsu: lol, it's more than interesting :)
[02:02] <Fujitsu> It's the oddest thing I've ever seen on Launchpad. And I've seen a lot of odd things.
[02:39] <beligum> hi all, I'm about to upload a new package to REVU and I'm wondering if I've got everything
[02:40] <beligum> did a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[02:40] <beligum> that's it?
[02:43] <phanatic> beligum: the last command should be enough
[02:44] <beligum> ah, ok
[02:45] <beligum> so now, all I need is dput *_source.changes ?
[02:45] <phanatic> beligum: yea
[02:45] <beligum> great
[02:45] <Hobbsee> beligum: dput revu *source.changes
[02:46] <Hobbsee> you dont need the revu if you've changed dput.cf though
[02:46] <beligum> ah, allright
[02:46] <beligum> should I wait for someone to review the packages, or commit now?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> (otherwise you'll be trying to upload straight to the ubuntu archives, and it will decline you)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> beligum: does commit mean run the dput command?
[02:47] <beligum> yes, indeed, sorry
[02:47] <Hobbsee> beligum: people will look after you dput - that's what revu is there for
[02:48] <beligum> ok, it's just that Ridell offered to review them first
[02:49] <Hobbsee> beligum: he'll want you to upload to revu, and review them there, i'm guessing
[02:49] <Hobbsee> this is a new package?
[02:49] <beligum> yes
[02:50] <beligum> ScreenKast, a screen-capturing program
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, dput it
[02:50] <Hobbsee> sounds nice :)
[03:15] <beligum> hmmm, what's the difference between debuild and dpkg-buildpackage
[03:15] <beligum> ?
[03:17] <StevenK> beligum: debuild is a wrapper around the latter.
[03:17] <beligum> ic
[03:17] <StevenK> beligum: debuild also can run things like lintian or linda after dpkg-buildpackage finishes
[03:18] <beligum> Hmmmm; E: Couldn't find package debuild
[03:18] <zul> you might have to install devscripts
[03:24] <beligum> cool, so debuild does everything necessary to release to package?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> it doestn call debsign
[03:25] <beligum> ah, k
[03:27] <StevenK> I thought it could?
[03:27] <StevenK> Sure it can
[03:27] <StevenK> s/to/the/
[03:27] <zul> er...debuild -S
[03:28] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it probably could.  doesnt by default though
[03:28] <phanatic> lol
[03:28] <beligum> crap, I get a newer-standards-version 3.7.2, should I change to that?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[03:30] <Hobbsee> beligum: no that's fine.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> beligum: StevenK needs to get his version updated
[03:30] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: how's .au today?
[03:30] <StevenK> GRR!
[03:30] <StevenK> Hobbsee: That's Lintian!
[03:31] <StevenK> *NOT* Linda
[03:31] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i thought linda was giving that anyway.
[03:31] <StevenK> And I thought I fixed it.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'm being yelled at by StevenK.  au still exists.
[03:33] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee. Manage to prevent yourself from being blown over today? :)
[03:33] <beligum> Just to be difficult: how do I build a package on one machine, but sign it on another?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: just
[03:33] <Hobbsee> beligum: debsign -r - check man debsign
[03:34] <beligum> Hobbsee, thx
[03:34] <Hobbsee> beligum: assuming you've got ssh from one machine to the other
[03:34] <beligum> yeah, sure
[03:34] <Hobbsee> beligum: otherwise copy the source from one machine to the other, then sign it on the other machine
[03:36] <beligum> Hobbsee, just out of curiousity, does the binary or the source get signed?
[03:36] <beligum> or both?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> beligum: the source.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> well, you specify what you want signed
[03:36] <Hobbsee> usually the source.changes
[03:40] <geser> !info dpkg-sig edgy
[03:40] <ubotu> dpkg-sig: create and verify signatures on .deb-files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 232 kB
[03:45] <beligum> How bad are the error messages lintian returns?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> depends what they are
[03:51] <synic> where do I upload my gpg key in launchpad?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> synic: launchpad/people/yournick and hit the gpg thing
[03:56] <beligum> I've a dilemma here: don't think the packages (libinstrudeo & ScreenKast) will be finished and I'll have to leave in an hour and won't be back till Sunday, should I sent them to REPO anyway?
[03:57] <beligum> damn, REVU that is ;)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:57] <Hobbsee> they'll just sit there, no problem
[03:57] <beligum> ok
[04:03] <synic> ok... so now I'm supposed to ask to be added to the universe contributors team
[04:03] <beligum> Can someone tell me what happens after uploading to REVU, just quickly?
[04:03] <beligum> (btw, done)
[04:05] <synic> who do I ask for that?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> synic: see the /topic ?
[04:07] <synic> ah.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> beligum: you give people in here the link, ask them to look at it, MOTU's can look and review it.  if you get two passes, they upload it
[04:07] <beligum> Hobbsee, great, thanks for that
[04:13] <beligum> After loggin in with email at revu and pressing recover, I get this python error: Mod_python error: "PythonHandler mod_python.publisher"
[04:14] <beligum> got a traceback too
[04:15] <Hobbsee> siretart: *poke*
[04:15] <Hobbsee> eh, probably idling
[04:15] <Hobbsee> beligum: siretart may well want that error pastebinned, and a link given to him
[04:15] <beligum> ok, sec
[04:17] <beligum> hmm, now it changed
[04:18] <beligum> to "To decrypt your password, type the following into your shell:" ...
[04:18] <beligum> but plaintext, no html
[04:19] <Hobbsee> and?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> you want to use the plaintext
[04:19] <Hobbsee> it's all encrypted
[04:22] <beligum> No, I mean, after logging in at revu, and pressing recover, I get some plaintext message (pastebin not cooperating here)
[04:25] <beligum> It says: "To decrypt your password, type the following into your shell:", but I can't see the message or any html at all
[04:27] <beligum> http://bpower2.com/revuerror.txt
[04:27] <beligum> that's the python error
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[04:28] <Hobbsee> that
[04:31] <siretart> beligum: try reloading
[04:34] <beligum> done now, I get this: bpower2.com/revuerror2.txt
[04:37] <beligum> How long should I wait before the uploads show up on revu ?
[04:38] <phanatic> beligum: 5-10 minutes max.
[04:39] <siretart> did you upload exaile_0.2.2_i386.changes ?
[04:39] <beligum> nope, libinstrudeo and screenkast
[04:40] <siretart> your key isn't in the keyring. are you already in the lp group?
[04:42] <beligum> yes, I think so
[04:43] <beligum> I'm in the ubuntu universe package contrib group
[04:44] <beligum> uploaded and confirmed my key last night, thought that was done
[04:47] <siretart> beligum: processed manually now
[04:47] <siretart> try lostpw again, please
[04:49] <beligum> nope, error2 again
[04:52] <synic> siretart: that was me.  Something wrong with it?
[04:52] <siretart> synic: yes. the part about exaile_0.2.2_i386.changes
[04:53] <synic> hrmm?
[04:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:55] <synic> siretart: what do I need to do to fix it?
[04:58] <siretart> synic: upload a exaile_0.2.2_source.changes file instead
[04:58] <synic> ah, ok
[04:59] <siretart> ok. lostpw.py should do again now
[05:00] <siretart> was indeed a silly permissions problem. which really needs to be fixed at some point
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[05:03] <beligum> Hi all, thanks for all the help
[05:03] <siretart> huhu bddebian. how are you?
[05:03] <beligum> screenKast and libinstrudeo successfully uploaded
[05:03] <bddebian> siretart: OK, thanks.  You?
[05:04] <siretart> bddebian: badly stressed with move, thesis, gf, the world..
[05:04] <beligum> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3048 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3047
[05:04] <beligum> Would be great if you could take a look
[05:04] <bddebian> siretart: Heh, I hear that man
[05:06] <beligum> Anyway, I'm off to France, cya on Sunday or Monday
[05:09] <Lutin> Hi
[05:10] <Lutin> bddebian, is there a policy related to the x-session-managers packaging ?
[05:11] <bddebian> Lutin: Hello.  Probably but I couldn't tell you what it is unfortunately.  Sorry.
[05:11] <Lutin> bddebian, ok.
[05:11] <Lutin> thanks
[05:23] <geser> what could be a reason why a package builds fine in a pbuilder but not on the buildds?
[05:24] <LaserJock> geser: maybe your pbuilder is not updated
[05:24] <LaserJock> geser: is it on the same arch?
[05:24] <bddebian> geser: What's the error on the build log on the buildd?
[05:24] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:24] <geser> it builds in my pbuilder
[05:25] <bddebian> geser: I mean on LaunchPad?
[05:25] <geser> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4165426/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-powerpc.libgtk-java_2.9.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:25] <geser> ia64 failed with the same error
[05:26] <geser> the last try on amd64 dito (the current try failed because of a chroot problem)
[05:27] <bddebian> geser: What arch are you building on x86?
[05:28] <geser> it try on amd64
[05:50] <Sp4rKy> please how must i do when i package a login display manager ?
[06:16] <geser> bddebian: I tried to build the package again but now w/o the arch-indep packages and it failed
[06:53] <fowlduck-> hallo
[06:53] <fowlduck-> anyone here using edgy yet?
[06:56] <LaserJock> I'm not actually
[06:56] <fowlduck-> boooooooooooo! er.. ;D
[06:56] <LaserJock> I was going to do a dist-upgrade maybe today
[06:57] <fowlduck-> oh, cool
[06:57] <fowlduck-> i mean, is it nearing completion?  Only a month left
[06:58] <phanatic> fowlduck: yeah, it's considered usable now (feature freeze is tonight)
[06:58] <bddebian> Well I have two Edgy machines at work.  Neither working atm
[06:58] <fowlduck-> oh, coooooool
[06:58] <fowlduck-> lol
[06:58] <phanatic> lol
[06:58] <fowlduck-> lets see, one for it, one undecided, and one (bddebian) definitely against
[06:59] <bddebian> I am not against it, I just can't get it working on those machines :-(
[06:59] <LaserJock> yeah, I *did* have a working edgy machine
[06:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:59] <fowlduck->  rm -rf /bddebian/workputers/edgy
[06:59] <bddebian> Heh
[07:02] <fowlduck-> where is that list of packages that are under revu?
[07:02] <LaserJock> darn, it "working directory C:\ is not valid"
[07:02] <LaserJock> fowlduck-: revu.tauware.de
[07:02] <Amaranth> does feature freeze apply to universe?
[07:03] <LaserJock> no
[07:03] <Amaranth> my _only_ machine is running edgy :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> we have Universe Freeze (28th) which is UVF+FF
[07:03] <Amaranth> so please don't break it :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> yeah, I tried edgy on 3 machines
[07:03] <LaserJock> 2 went unbootable
[07:04] <LaserJock> but I got that worked out
[07:04] <LaserJock> and then my main dev machine decided it didn't want networking
[07:04] <LaserJock> and I couldn't figure out what the problem was
[07:04] <LaserJock> so I wiped it and put on 6.06.1
[07:04] <Amaranth> weird
[07:04] <Amaranth> the only problems i'm having can be safely blamed on nvidia
[07:05] <LaserJock> I tried installing a few different Knot2 .isos and none worked :-)
[07:05] <LaserJock> I think that computer must have issues
[07:05] <Amaranth> well, except for both my cores using the performance governor on boot and one of them being reset to performance on resume
[07:05] <LaserJock> 1.3GHz + 256MB ram I think might be a part of the problem
[07:05] <fowlduck-> grrr
[07:05] <fowlduck-> school computers
[07:06] <fowlduck-> LaserJock, I tried a desktop install on similar hardware.....that failed miserably
[07:06] <LaserJock> "can't live with them, can't format them" ;-)
[07:06] <LaserJock> I tried a kubuntu alternative install
[07:06] <fowlduck-> and still pooped? argh
[07:06] <LaserJock> and perhaps an Ubuntu arlternative as well
[07:07] <LaserJock> well, they keep dying at the end
[07:10] <fowlduck-> well, i need to fix this junk up and get these packages out, ack
[07:10] <fowlduck-> bddebian, you commented on my package, I was wondering what specifically looks weird about the copyright: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2764
[07:11] <fowlduck-> bddebian, that is, if you have time
[07:18] <bddebian> fowlduck: I don't remember off-hand.  Do you still have the full copyright in there?
[07:18] <fowlduck-> no, I don't think so, but you said "debian/copyright still looks a little strange"
[07:18] <fowlduck-> i can check tonight when I get home
[07:19] <fowlduck-> orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i can get out my laptop
[07:21] <bddebian> fowlduck-: Yeah, you still have the whole: "How to apply GPL to your New programs" stuff
[07:21] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[07:22] <fowlduck-> oh, I thought you were supposed to include only the first few paragraphs
[07:22] <fowlduck-> hmmm, my mistake i suppose
[07:23] <fowlduck-> wait, quote from the previous comment by ajmitch, "debian/copyright has the whole GPL in it. It is better to use the 3 paragraphs listed in the section "How to Apply These Terms to Your New Programs" & then give a reference to the rest of the license. Most other packages that use the GPL can be looked at as an example"
[07:23] <bddebian> Hmm, OK, it just looked like more than I am used to
[07:23] <fowlduck-> ok, I'll still take a look tonight
[07:23] <bddebian> I know less about all the licensing crap than I do about packaging in general :-)
[07:28] <Sp4rKy> where could i find all db_* binaries and what is them ?
[07:42] <fowlduck-> if i'm on dapper, to build an edgy environment in pbuilder is as trivial as specifying it in the initial pbuilder command, correct?
[07:44] <geser> Sp4rKy: db_* sounds like Berkeley DB
[07:46] <fowlduck-> does he mean dh_*?
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> no db_
[07:49] <geser> fowlduck-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics lists the steps to create an egdy pbuilder on dapper
[07:49] <geser> db4.3-util for db4.3
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> in gdm postinst script, many software like db_get are used
[07:49] <geser> and db4.4-util for libdb4.4
[07:49] <geser> the programms are called db4.x_* to be co-installable
[07:49] <fowlduck-> geser, many thanks :)
[07:49] <geser> where x is 3 or 4
[07:58] <Arbiter> moin
[08:11] <LaserJock> hmm, what's a good way to test your download speed
[08:11] <LaserJock> I should have a very good connection
[08:11] <LaserJock> but all the Ubuntu mirrors seem to be giving me like 20-30 kB/s
[08:11] <fowlduck-> http://speedtest.tds.net/
[08:11] <zul> find a site that does a speed test
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:22] <fowlduck-> are the ubuntu mirrors syncing or something maybe?
[08:25] <trappist> anybody know the status of compiz-kde?  looks like still a pretty old package in edgy, maybe from dapper, depending on a really old compiz
[08:26] <trappist> (uninstallable)
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't get it, perhaps they are syncing or maybe getting hit hard
[08:27] <LaserJock> but I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade and it'd be nice to have it done by the weekend ;-)
[08:30] <trappist> LaserJock: yeah my last one took almost 24 hours, between all the downloading, installing, apt-get -f install, update again, etc.
[08:30] <trappist> LaserJock: what mirror are you using?
[08:31] <LaserJock> trappist: Portland, right now
[08:32] <LaserJock> it's the fastest I could find, and I"m getting ~50kB/s
[08:38] <trappist> ack
[09:23] <ivoks> i could listen new edgy sounds whole day
[09:24] <Arbiter> lol
[09:24] <Amaranth> awesome stuff
[09:24] <Amaranth> kind of long though
[09:25] <Bazzi> I'm still updating... archive.ubuntu.com is painfully slow :/
[09:25] <Arbiter> Bazzi: i've updated about 10-15mins ago
[09:25] <Arbiter> my download speed was around 500kB/s
[09:25] <Arbiter> :P
[09:25] <Bazzi> I'm getting just 30KB/s
[09:25] <Bazzi> and have 189MB to download
[09:26] <Arbiter> ow
[09:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm at 30-50KB/s
[09:26] <LaserJock> 2 1/2 hrs to go :-)
[09:27] <LaserJock> for the download
[09:27] <Bazzi> 31m to go here, I've got 68% already
[09:28] <Arbiter> The following packages where automatically installed and are no longer required:
[09:28] <Arbiter> [..] 
[09:28] <Arbiter> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[09:28] <Arbiter> cool
[09:29] <Bazzi> :-)
[09:29] <Bazzi> aptitude does that as well
[09:29] <ivoks> too nice
[09:29] <Arbiter> Bazzi: yeah but this is an apt feature
[09:29] <Arbiter> builtin, no extra software
[09:29] <Arbiter> no more need of deborphan or such things
[09:29] <Arbiter> (i suppose)
[09:30] <Bazzi> well, aptitude is a standard tool as well :-)
[09:31] <Bazzi> I'm using it mostly now instead of apt-get
[09:31] <Arbiter> next step is trying upstart
[09:31] <Arbiter> :D
[09:31] <Bazzi> the automatic conflict resolving is great, too
[09:31] <Bazzi> Arbiter: heh, I was most surprised when I started testing upstart
[09:31] <Bazzi> it just....worked
[09:31] <Arbiter> really?
[09:32] <Bazzi> no manual script hacking, no configuring... everything was just fine
[09:32] <Arbiter> nice
[09:32] <Bazzi> and if you updated just 15 minutes ago upstart should be installed
[09:33] <Arbiter> nope, i don't have it installed
[09:33] <Arbiter> :P
[09:34] <Bazzi> wasn't it defaulted by now?
[09:34] <Arbiter> don't know if its a depndency of *ubuntu-* metapackages
[09:34] <Arbiter> (since i don't have any of them installed)
[09:36] <Arbiter> ahhh ubuntu is great
[09:36] <Arbiter> is so innovative..
[09:36] <Arbiter> :)
[09:36] <ivoks> :)
[09:36] <Bazzi> it is even in ubuntu-minimal now afaik
[09:37] <Bazzi> Arbiter: ooooh!
[09:37] <Arbiter> with ubuntu i can have some relax :P
[09:37] <Bazzi> funny thing is, one of my friends was gentoo enthusiast, too
[09:37] <Bazzi> until he installed dapper recently
[09:37] <Bazzi> he was like "wow the ubuntu team is really doing a better job than I expected"
[09:37] <Arbiter> Bazzi: ah gentoo is great, it only takes a loooooong time to install/upgrade/install new software
[09:38] <Arbiter> :)
[09:38] <Bazzi> the new Core 2 Quadro will greatly help Gentoo users once it's out
[09:38] <Arbiter> Bazzi: doh, same as my reaction after my hoary installation :P
[09:39] <Bazzi> I'm most thankful as well, since ubuntu made desktoplinux for me usable
[09:39] <Bazzi> (though I still use windows as primary OS)
[09:40] <Arbiter> upstart installed
[09:40] <Arbiter> let's try it
[09:40] <Arbiter> brb
[09:40] <Arbiter> :)
[09:45] <Arbiter> omg
[09:46] <Arbiter> it works
[09:46] <Arbiter> (partially)
[09:46] <Arbiter> keyboard doesn't work :P
[09:47] <Arbiter> uhm
[09:47] <Arbiter> it's better to keep sysvinit
[09:47] <Arbiter> :P
[09:47] <Bazzi> no :(
[09:47] <ivoks> usb keyboard?
[09:47] <Arbiter> PS2 keyboard
[09:47] <Arbiter> :P
[09:48] <ivoks> huh?
[09:48] <Arbiter> PS/2
[09:48] <ivoks> that's too odd
[09:48] <Bazzi> you sure its not the X update that broke it? or doesnt it work on console as well?
[09:49] <Bazzi> or the kernel update
[09:49] <Arbiter> Bazzi: haven't tried
[09:49] <Bazzi> because I cannot image upstart breaking as simple things as keyboards
[09:49] <Arbiter> Bazzi: can't switch to tty :P
[09:49] <Bazzi> hehe
[09:50] <Arbiter> i'll try again
[09:51] <Arbiter> brb
[09:53] <zul> hey ogra
[09:58] <Arbiter> mh..
[09:58] <Arbiter> lot of error messages while booting but..
[09:58] <Arbiter> it boots :P
[10:19] <Arbiter> slomo, ping
[10:20] <jordyp> Hi, what is the procedure for requesting updates to packages in multiverse?
[10:27] <hub> jordyp: launchpad bug
[10:28] <jordyp> hub: well basically about bug 32169
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32169 in mythtv "Update to .19" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32169
[10:29] <hub> then it will get triaged
[10:30] <jordyp> okay, so nothing else is needs to be done?
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure that is sort of being worked on
[10:31] <LaserJock> I don't think it's trivial
[10:35] <jordyp> Well, I'm currently trying the packages I've rebuild in edgy under vmware
[10:43] <jordyp> \whois hub
[11:14] <geser> crimsun: ping?
[11:14] <crimsun_> geser: pong
[11:14] <crimsun_> my other client is defunct, host is being DDoSed.
[11:14] <geser> could you upload the php4-yaz fix for dapper-updates?
[11:15] <crimsun_> was is approved by mdz?
[11:15] <crimsun_> it, even
[11:15] <geser> I've got a mail from infinity stating "I'll happily push this through the UNAPPROVED queue if it's uploaded."
[11:15] <crimsun_> if so, please sub me to the bug report, and I'll look at it this evening
[11:15] <geser> thanks