[12:18] <cbx33> ping ogra_ 
[12:22] <LaserJock> heh
[12:24] <pygi> highvoltage, poke? :)
[12:41] <mhz> hi all
[12:41] <mhz> th1a__: ping
[12:41] <cbx33> hey mhz 
[12:41] <mhz> cbx33: hey there
[12:42] <mhz> cbx33: any good knowledge on sysadmin?
[12:42] <cbx33> sysadmin in general?
[12:42] <mhz> yup
[12:42] <cbx33> what' the question?
[12:43] <mhz> I had to rescue  this tiny laptop's HD using it in a external USB case.
[12:43] <cbx33> u huh
[12:44] <mhz> So, the computer from which it was installed had 3 NICs, and when I placed the HD back to the laptop, 
[12:45] <mhz> the laptop hardware only has 1 eth0 and 1 ath0
[12:45] <mhz> BUTY
[12:45] <mhz> BUT
[12:45] <cbx33> eeek
[12:45] <mhz> systems insists it is eth2 and ath1
[12:45] <cbx33> I have no idea
[12:45] <cbx33> hhhmmm
[12:45] <mhz> my guess is there must be some file I could manually edit
[12:46] <cbx33> ehere is a file
[12:46] <cbx33> but I can;t recall what it is ow
[12:46] <cbx33> ask in #ubuntu
[12:46] <cbx33> I'm off to bed
[12:46] <cbx33> shattered
[12:47] <mhz> cbx33: okis thx
[01:56] <LaserJock> ogra_: do I need to do something with the spec?
[01:57] <ogra_> probably make it match the reality ? 
[01:57] <LaserJock> edubuntu-dynamic-menus is listed as "slow progress" and "discussion"
[01:57] <LaserJock> sure
[01:57] <ogra_> if it matches already, change the status to deployment or so
[01:57] <ogra_> and mark it good progress ;)
[01:58] <LaserJock> ok, I'll work on the wiki page then do that
[01:59] <LaserJock> ogra_: do you think you'll want a MIR for edgy+1?
[01:59] <ogra_> well, make a MIR it wont do any harm ...
[01:59] <LaserJock> hopefully it won't take up much space ;-)
[02:00] <LaserJock> if we keep implementing our specs we will run out of room quicker
[02:00] <ogra_> well, my specs didnt take a megabyte on the CD yet
[02:00] <LaserJock> nice
[02:00] <LaserJock> how about SCP
[02:00] <ogra_> not in main yet
[02:00] <LaserJock> did Pete's code add very much?
[02:01] <ogra_> but pitti wants to look over it tomorrow
[02:01] <LaserJock> sure, but if it gets there ;-)
[02:01] <ogra_> no, he cleaned it up ;)
[02:01] <LaserJock> I'm going to be optomistic
[02:01] <LaserJock> Pete did a lot of cool stuff
[02:01] <ogra_> its only some kilobyte
[02:01] <ogra_> yeah
[02:01] <ogra_> i'll surely cheer very loud for his motuship 
[02:02] <LaserJock> sabayon isn't in Main is it?
[02:02] <ogra_> it is
[02:02] <ogra_> its even on the CD now
[02:02] <ogra_> (edubuntu)
[02:02] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:02] <ogra_> not installed though 
[02:03] <LaserJock> in talking with RichEd I think it would be cool to create sabayon profiles as well
[02:03] <LaserJock> although they wouldn't really be very dynamic
[02:03] <LaserJock> but things like having a profile per grade
[02:03] <LaserJock> seem pretty cool
[02:04] <ogra_> there recently came a package from debian with default profiles
[02:04] <LaserJock> cool
[02:05] <ogra_> but i'm not sure it has sabayon
[02:05] <LaserJock> I was thinking of adding .directories to edubuntu-menus so that we can rename submenus
[02:05] <mhz> yeah!
[02:05] <LaserJock> the only thing is getting them translated
[02:06] <mhz> ?
[02:06] <ogra_> right
[02:06] <LaserJock> I've stayed away from editing .directory and .desktop files because they are translated
[02:06] <ogra_> and the .desktop files
[02:06] <ogra_> not onyl that
[02:06] <ogra_> .desktop files have the categories in them ...
[02:07] <LaserJock> mhm
[02:07] <ogra_> you will need to update them if you invent categories
[02:07] <LaserJock> well, the fd.o Categories are really good
[02:07] <LaserJock> gnome just doesn't use them
[02:07] <LaserJock> to keep things simple
[02:08] <LaserJock> so if we provided a Science .directory we could have a Science submenu
[02:08] <LaserJock> which we can't do right now
[02:08] <ogra_> right, but you need to update all .desktop files of apps you want in there
[02:08] <LaserJock> nope
[02:09] <LaserJock> well, they should have science in Categories already
[02:09] <LaserJock> it's just a matter of getting the submenu
[02:10] <LaserJock> kalzium, for instance has :Categories=Qt;KDE;Education;Science;
[02:11] <LaserJock> so if I created a science.directory then it could go in a science submenu without me touching the .desktop
[02:11] <LaserJock> anyway, that's pretty much edgy+1 material
[02:12] <ogra_> how do you make sure it doesnt show in education as well ?
[02:12] <LaserJock> I could exclude Science from the Education menuu
[02:12] <LaserJock> since it's going to Science
[02:13] <LaserJock> so I would get Eduction and then exclude the categories that I already have submenus for
[02:14] <LaserJock> either that or I would only put people in the education group when I wanted general stuff
[02:14] <LaserJock> anyway, there are some possibilities there
[02:16] <ogra_> ah, nice
[02:19] <stormchas3r> wow there is alot of people in #ubuntu
[02:19] <LaserJock> ogra_: the other edgy+1 issue is editing
[02:20] <stormchas3r> is edubuntu meant for grades 9-12?
[02:20] <LaserJock> ogra_: if we don't allow for .desktop editing then I think a simple GUI would be fairly easily done
[02:20] <LaserJock> stormchas3r: well, pretty much any educational setting I'd say
[02:20] <mhz> stormchas3r: yup, indeed
[02:20] <LaserJock> there is stuff for preschool kids
[02:21] <ogra_> LaserJock, right ... an alacarte extension or something would suffice i think
[02:21] <LaserJock> ogra_: perhaps, I'll have to talk with Amaranth about that
[02:21] <mhz> stormchas3r: and if all apps are not enough, there is a bunch of edu apps we could provide from repositories ;)
[02:21] <stormchas3r> what about joining to a windows domain?
[02:21] <mhz> stormchas3r: no problem
[02:22] <stormchas3r> really
[02:22] <mhz> the issues are usually from M$ to Other systems :)
[02:23] <stormchas3r> The book "The official ubuntu book" is amazing.  Its teaches you everything about ubuntu.  I highly recommend it
[02:24] <mhz> me too :)
[02:24] <mhz> and hopefully we'll have The Edubuntu Handbook sometime soon
[02:25] <stormchas3r> nice
[02:25] <mhz> stormchas3r: are you planning to use Edubuntu at any school? or home kids?
[02:26] <stormchas3r> I am a network admin in 2 technical high schools and would like to implement ubuntu or edubuntu.  
[02:26] <stormchas3r> not sure who to talk to about this
[02:26] <stormchas3r> and i dont want to scare them away
[02:29] <mhz> hehehehe
[02:30] <mhz> i'd talk to one teacher, show him/her some edubuntu stuff related to his/her subjects
[02:31] <stormchas3r> what about getting free cd's to hand out, other that the free 10 ones
[02:38] <stormchas3r> I noticed edubuntu looks geared toward the younger crowd,  what can you show me for high school students/
[02:40] <LaserJock> well, high school is much harder, IMO, because you start getting into subject areas
[02:41] <LaserJock> and it becomes a little more fuzzy as to what is an "educational" app
[02:41] <LaserJock> but Edubuntu has access to the full Ubuntu repositories
[02:41] <LaserJock> so there's lots of software there
[02:41] <stormchas3r> do they come enabled by default, or do you have to add the repos
[02:42] <ogra_> stormchas3r, use gnome-app-install ...
[02:42] <ogra_> (add/remove from the main menu)
[02:42] <stormchas3r> ha
[02:42] <ogra_> it will ust enable them if it needs them... (after asking you indeed)
[02:42] <stormchas3r> gotcha
[02:43] <stormchas3r> ty
[02:44] <stormchas3r> can i add the edubuntu repos on ubuntu, instead of installing edubuntu?
[02:45] <mhz> stormchas3r: well, edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-servers are just packages
[02:45] <stormchas3r> roger that
[02:45] <mhz> you install them on top of any ubuntu flavor
[02:45] <stormchas3r> ty again
[02:45] <ogra_> while installing edubuntu-server doesn tmake much sense on ubuntu ... you are better off with ltsp-server-standalone if you really want the ltsp stuff
[02:46] <mhz> stormchas3r: no thanks.... U$4321 :D
[02:46] <mhz> ogra_: well, true
[02:46] <ogra_> (edubuntu-server is basically to keep the server bits on the CD together)
[02:46] <ogra_> but it currently depends only on schooltool and ltsp
[02:46] <stormchas3r> mhz, no thanks?
[02:47] <mhz> stormchas3r: well, it was meant to be a joke...to your 'ty again' 
[02:47] <stormchas3r> lol
[02:47] <stormchas3r> :)
[02:47] <mhz> :)
[02:48] <mhz> well, time for me to shut down...this tiny laptop is not enough for Edubuntu running XFCE desktop
[02:49] <mhz> between the net lag of this cibercafe and the RAM lack...it is kind of painful
[03:15] <jsgotangco> hey Burgundavia 
[03:15] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[03:16] <jsgotangco> how you doing lately?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> not bad
[03:18] <jsgotangco> good to hear
[03:19] <Burgundavia> hmm, what happened to my work machine?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> given I am not there.
[03:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:20] <jsgotangco> hmm jjesse reviewed his own book in amazon? hehe
[03:20] <LaserJock> haha
[03:20] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[03:20] <Burgundavia> that is what authors are supposed to do
[03:20] <jsgotangco> really?
[03:20] <Amaranth> ?
[03:20] <jsgotangco> "The best part of this book is the chapter on Kubuntu"
[03:21] <LaserJock> how do you roll your eyes in IRC?
[03:21] <Burgundavia> right
[03:21] <Amaranth> are you talking about that linux tech show
[03:21] <Burgundavia> apparently
[03:21] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: amazon review of the ubuntu book
[03:21] <Burgundavia> by one of the authors
[03:21] <jsgotangco> 0_0
[03:21] <Amaranth> ah
[03:22] <Amaranth> jono? :)
[03:22] <Burgundavia> no, jjesse
[03:22] <Amaranth> About that book: yay screenshots of alacarte, boo full-size screenshots in the example content version :)
[03:23] <jsgotangco> we dont have the book available locally so I dont have it
[04:58] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:00] <jsgotangco> hi!
[05:06] <sbalneav> Hey jsgotangco
[05:09] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[05:09] <sbalneav> hey LaserJock
[05:09] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[05:09] <LaserJock> ok
[05:09] <LaserJock> I can't for the life of me get NX going
[05:09] <LaserJock> but I did upload edubuntu-menus today to Universe
[05:10] <sbalneav> Oooh
[05:10] <sbalneav> Cool
[05:10] <sbalneav> Congrats on the completed spec!
[05:15] <LaserJock> yeah, until somebody breaks it
[08:40] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage :)
[08:47] <HedgeMage> What's up ?
[08:55] <RichEd> The feature freeze was last night ... probably lost of tired people this morning.
[08:55] <RichEd> *lots
[08:56] <HedgeMage> I bet.
[08:56] <HedgeMage> I feel bad for not being around, but between the unexpected trip to my folks' place and hubby's surgery and such, I've hardly been online in weeks.
[08:57] <RichEd> I'm busy with User / Stakeholder Categorisation to identify and profile our target audiences : First step in bringing more "end user" focus to our web and info presence.
[08:57] <RichEd> Hope hubby is okay ?
[08:57] <HedgeMage> He will be
[08:57] <RichEd> good :)
[08:57] <HedgeMage> Thanks.
[08:58] <HedgeMage> If you have a minute, what do you think of I'm no artist, but an article I read recently gave me the idea to try to toss something together. I thought we might change the color for each release.
[08:59] <HedgeMage> oops
[08:59] <HedgeMage> screwed up paste... sorry
[08:59] <HedgeMage> I meant, if you have a minute, what do you think of http://www.binaryredneck.net/node/72 ?  It's my backup plan in case Handbook is so behind we can't get the art team to help us with a cover.
[09:04] <RichEd> hi ... looks good
[09:04] <RichEd> pete savages wife has been doing some artwork for us
[09:05] <RichEd> For future thinking, I'll mail you the user / stakeholder first pass doc so you can see the wide range of people we need to address.
[09:06] <RichEd> This will all get fleshed out onto a wiki and then a portal area. Yo'ull see that the audience is a lot wider than your title at present :)
[09:07] <HedgeMage> Cool :)
[09:08] <HedgeMage> I tried to at least keep it from looking like it was just for young kids (which is the impression I think too many people get)
[09:08] <RichEd> HedgeMage: ping window right ->
[09:08] <HedgeMage> just saw it :)
[09:08] <RichEd> you'll see from the doc that we have iCafe's using Edubntu because of the LTSP
[09:09] <cbx33> mornin dudes and dudeettes
[09:09] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[09:09] <RichEd> highvoltage is rolling out 1000 this upcoming year
[09:10] <highvoltage> well, not me, the company I work for :)
[09:10] <RichEd> so we will not do a one version fits all handbook, nor a one version per sub-category, but maybe a few broad target versions ... it should unfold as we explore
[09:10] <RichEd> I'm adding the handbook to the resource list now for mapping
[09:11] <RichEd> good morning cbx33 : how are you this fine friday ?
[09:11] <HedgeMage> cool
[09:11] <HedgeMage> Just keep in mind we're having enough trouble getting ONE handbook out, :/
[09:11] <cbx33> RichEd: I'm doing great
[09:11] <cbx33> people seem to love the new UbuntuSounds, which has made me extra cool this morning
[09:11] <RichEd> How did the freeze go last night ? I did not get a chance to pop my head in.
[09:12] <cbx33> Hiya HedgeMage 
[09:12] <cbx33> RichEd: freeze was good, most things got in
[09:12] <HedgeMage> wow, talk about timing... Hi, pygi 
[09:12] <pygi> Morning all
[09:12] <RichEd> pygi: hi were the presentations useful ?
[09:12] <cbx33> I'm just waiting to talk to ogra about SCP and Pessulus
[09:12] <cbx33> I fear that the pessulus patch I did, did not get in, which means I'll have to drop some features from SCP
[09:12] <pygi> RichEd, didn't had time to look yet :-/
[09:13] <cbx33> unless an exception can be raised
[09:13] <pygi> cbx33, well it can, just depends on particular case
[09:13] <cbx33> which I have no idea about....so I'm waiting to speak to ogra ;) - But I think he's going to be largely resting today
[09:13] <RichEd> okay ... i'll send you a mail today ... need to mail acesuares as well ... similar topic
[09:14] <pygi> RichEd, ok :) Seems on that page there is just one edubuntu general presentation
[09:15] <RichEd> yep ... we're on a drive to improve marketing / brochures / web portal audience specific pages ... will add PRESENTATIONS to my user & stakeholder category doc.
[09:15] <RichEd> So, when you & I produce a new version from the existing one, we'll bring it into the arsenal :)
[09:16] <HedgeMage> pygi: any clue when we can attempt to get handbook folks together
[09:16] <pygi> RichEd, hehe, ok :)
[09:16] <pygi> HedgeMage, Handbook folks = me, you, mhz :P
[09:16] <pygi> HedgeMage, and I definitly hope soon, because of the following reasons:
[09:16] <pygi> 1)I'm very busy anyway
[09:16] <pygi> 2)I'll be even busier later
[09:17] <pygi> RichEd, I hope I can get some exclusive edu informations for presentation :)
[09:17] <HedgeMage> pygi: and RobinSheapard and Joyce 
[09:17] <HedgeMage> pygi: mhz has limited 'net access right now, IIRC
[09:17] <pygi> HedgeMage, ahm, ok, but I haven't heard from none of them
[09:18] <RichEd> pygi ... we'll define your audience, and refine a good pitch.
[09:18] <pygi> HedgeMage, I have limited sleep access :)
[09:18] <cbx33> how are you HedgeMage 
[09:18] <pygi> RichEd, it would be good if we could define it, but oh well :)
[09:18] <HedgeMage> robin has made svn commits, joyce gave me a phone call not long ago, I can get ahold of her any time as I'm good friends with her fella 
[09:19] <HedgeMage> okay see you soon :)
[09:19] <pygi> laters RichEd 
[09:24] <pygi> HedgeMage, so you decide, I'm  up for any day you want mostly
[09:25] <HedgeMage> Monday then?
[09:26] <HedgeMage> pygi: any particular time?
[09:26] <pygi> HedgeMage, 20 UTC
[09:26] <HedgeMage> Sounds good :)
[09:26] <pygi> Is that good for mhz?
[09:26] <HedgeMage> let me check the last email he sent to the list
[09:27] <HedgeMage> Yep, that's within the range he gave.
[09:27] <pygi> oki
[09:28] <pygi> then contact other two people
[09:28] <HedgeMage> I'll drop an email to the fridge folks now, then joyce and robin and the pertinant email lists.
[09:28] <pygi> oki :)
[09:38] <HedgeMage> Pertinent emails are sent... I'm off to bed now
[09:58] <highvoltage> RichEd: I think there's only like, 2 people in #edubuntu who would know what that means :)
[09:59] <cbx33> yup
[09:59] <cbx33> and one of those isn'tme
[09:59] <cbx33> just like the joke I made yesterday
[09:59] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/benzene.jpg
[10:00] <cbx33> oooooh Nice!
[10:00] <pygi> highvoltage, !!!
[10:00] <RichEd> highvoltage: okay so you bust me cutting and pasting from the #canonical message :P
[10:01] <highvoltage> heh
[10:01] <highvoltage> pygi: I haven't followed your instructions yet
[10:01] <pygi> highvoltage, I know :)
[10:01] <highvoltage> pygi: I'll have to do it either very late tonight, or very early tomorrow morning
[10:01] <highvoltage> but it's friday night tonight so it shouldn't be a problem :)
[10:02] <cbx33> mornin jono 
[10:02] <pygi> highvoltage, heh, ok, I'll give you further instructions once you are done with this
[10:03] <jono> hey
[10:03] <highvoltage> jey jono
[10:03] <highvoltage> people call me jono too IRL so it's strange to see your nick :)
[10:04] <jono> highvoltage, jonos unite! :)
[10:04] <cbx33> Just be thankful they don;t call you Joner
[10:04] <highvoltage> jono: yeah!
[10:04] <jono> heh
[10:05] <highvoltage> jono: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/JOCUAMAOE
[10:05] <highvoltage> jono: ^^^ that's from my local LUG :)
[10:18] <pygi> highvoltage, poke? :)))
[10:18] <pygi> seems like libburn will soon work on freebsd as well ^_^
[10:20] <cbx33> wow
[10:20] <cbx33> nice pygi 
[10:20] <pygi> 1246 lines
[11:46] <tsurc> Think I have fixed the NIS with LDA problem
[11:47] <cbx33> tsurc: :D
[11:48] <tsurc> yep, turns out that NIS doesn't use any goup under ID 1000 and the clients will use the setting of a local group by default.
[11:51] <tsurc> so get rid of the local fuse group, change ID of the fuse group on the NIS server to something like 1133 and change permissions on the /dev/fuse, /usr/bin/fusermount and enything that should be owned by fuse group to match and presto.
[11:51] <pygi> tsurc, you are welcome to write wiki page, you know;)
[11:53] <tsurc> I know.. take a look at LinkAggrigation page ;) not my best work but its there for future reference
[11:57] <tsurc> LRL06 inspired me to finaly get of my skinny backside and write something(thank you mr bacon.. sterling work)
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, pitti promised to look at it today
[12:24] <cbx33> ogra: :D
[12:24] <cbx33> ogra: I talked to vuntz and seb128
[12:25] <cbx33> they want me to make a change 
[12:25] <ogra> ok
[12:25] <cbx33> but they are happy with the concept
[12:25] <cbx33> they want me to break my additions out in to a seperate class
[12:25] <ogra> seb just asked me if we really need that change ... is it a big difference ? 
[12:25] <cbx33> to pessulus?
[12:25] <ogra> ah
[12:25] <cbx33> it won't work without it
[12:25] <cbx33> pessulus integration won't work without that patch
[12:26] <cbx33> it allows modification of anyones gconf key, assuming you have permission of course
[12:26] <cbx33> pessulus by default edits your own keys only
[12:26] <ogra> yes, i know
[12:26] <cbx33> sorry ogra I've been flowing that sentence out a lot lately
[12:26] <cbx33> I'm not 100% sure how they want it broken out
[12:27] <cbx33> just trying to get that out of vuntz
[12:27] <ogra> ok
[12:27] <cbx33> because the only real way I can see would mean duping a whole section of code
[12:27] <cbx33> which seems unnecessary
[12:27] <cbx33> my changes are only small
[12:28] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pessulus/+bug/59490
[12:30] <cbx33> ogra: did you see the new artwork I poseted last night
[12:30] <cbx33> some concepts
[12:30] <ogra> nope, i didnt
[12:30] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP1.jpg
[12:30] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP2.jpg
[12:30] <cbx33> comments appreciated
[12:30] <cbx33> more for hugher edu theme
[12:31] <cbx33> ogra: can you confrim from seb128, if they are integrating now on the proviso I make the change, or waiting till I make the change
[12:32] <ogra> the artwork looks sweet :)
[12:33] <cbx33> Burgwork: said there look like too much english text
[12:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: are those that lisa made?
[12:34] <cbx33> I made those
[12:34] <highvoltage> cool :)
[12:34] <cbx33> under lisas direction
[12:34] <pygi> highvoltage, you again :)
[12:35] <highvoltage> pygi: heh
[12:36] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[12:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, hey ho
[12:37] <jsgotangco> how it going all
[12:37] <jsgotangco> its too yellowish hmmm
[12:37] <jsgotangco> but not bad
[12:37] <cbx33> hehe jsgotangco 
[12:37] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco 
[12:38] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hi!
[12:38] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how's the new job? (or did I mis-quick-read recent #edubuntu activity?)
[12:38] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: pretty good, 4-day workweek
[12:39] <jsgotangco> actually i get a 3 day weekend
[12:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:39] <highvoltage> wow
[12:39] <jsgotangco> so im pretty much enjoying today
[12:39] <cbx33> alright for some eh?
[12:39] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well regular working hours at office is 9am to 7pm
[12:39] <cbx33> yikes
[12:39] <cbx33> ok I can see why
[12:39] <jsgotangco> but since the traffic here is so bad going out of office at 7pm isnt bad
[12:40] <jsgotangco> for city people here, leaving at work at 7pm is pretty normal
[12:40] <jsgotangco> but then i get to work at home too
[12:46] <jsgotangco> *sniff* JaneW said my car is cheap boohoooo
[12:49] <highvoltage> my car is cheap too, but I love it.
[12:50] <ogra> cbx33, see -devel :))
[12:51] <cbx33> :)
[12:58] <ogra> bah, the merge yesterday broke everyhing in ltsp :(
[01:17] <cbx33> whhaaa??
[01:17] <cbx33> is that why its kept back on my machine?
[01:18] <ogra> no
[01:19] <ogra> it only breaks the ltsp-build-client script
[01:34] <pygi> cbx33, poke?
[01:40] <pygi> com'on, awake yourself  cbx33 :)
[02:19] <cbx33> I'm here
[02:19] <cbx33> sorry pygi 
[02:19] <cbx33> sorry pygi 
[02:19] <cbx33> hehe
[02:19] <cbx33> on a friday at lunch, me and some of the pupils go and play music down in the music room
[02:20] <cbx33> we just recorded a song which was amix between the phrase "I want an Ice Cream, give me one now", Smells Like Teen Spirit and The Self Preservation Society
[02:21] <pygi> cbx33, oki, you have time now :)
[02:22] <pygi> read pm :)
[02:23] <cbx33> ok
[02:25] <Petaris> Anyone had luck installing linneighborhood on amd64 edubuntu?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> eh? what this email about?
[03:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco: are you on edgy?
[03:32] <bddebian> Hello
[03:32] <pygi> ho hey bddebian :)
[03:33] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[03:33] <pygi> how are you?
[03:34] <bddebian> Tired man thanks.  You?
[03:34] <pygi> tired also, otherwise fantastic :)
[03:35] <pygi> I never thought libburn can advance at such high rate
[03:35] <bddebian> That's awesome :-)
[03:36] <pygi> indeed :)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yeah
[03:45] <sbalneav> Morning all.
[03:46] <pygi> morning sbalneav 
[03:47] <sbalneav> Morning pygi 
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[03:58] <pygi> cbx33, bddebian sorry , got dced
[03:58] <cbx33> heh
[03:58] <cbx33> np
[04:01] <bddebian> NP
[04:09] <Jon335|Linux> I noticed that KTouch is v1.5 on Edubuntu, and the latest version is 1.6, what is the easiest way to upgrade?
[04:11] <tsurc> what would the command be to uninstall gnome-power-manager without breaking any dependancy in dapper.
[04:13] <sbalneav> tsurc: Trying to eliminate the hibernate feature?
[04:13] <sbalneav> on thin clients?
[04:13] <ogra> tsurc, its not possible ...
[04:13] <cbx33> heheh
[04:14] <cbx33> just remove and re-install 
[04:14] <ogra> i wrote a fix for gnome-power-manager yesterday
[04:14] <cbx33> ;)
[04:14] <cbx33> I know
[04:14] <cbx33> excellent
[04:14] <ogra> it will enter dapper next week (i hope)
[04:14] <sbalneav> tsurc: I can step you though what you need to do in gconf-editor to fixit.
[04:15] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch
[04:15] <ogra> its already in the edgy pacage ...
[04:16] <sbalneav> ogra: nice.
[04:16] <ogra> i merged 125 revisions from vagrant yesterday night ... and only have three small breakages
[04:16] <cbx33> ogra: you da man
[04:16] <cbx33> anywork on SCP
[04:16] <cbx33> pessulus is in ;)
[04:17] <ogra> yup, i saw it 
[04:17] <sbalneav> ogra: I figured out my problem with 010-mount-proc
[04:17] <ogra> pitti said we should probably poke more 
[04:17] <ogra> but he wanted to look today
[04:17] <cbx33> poke him
[04:17] <cbx33> I don;t want fire breathed on me
[04:17] <ogra> sbalneav, that was a quick fix of mine for usplash ...
[04:17] <sbalneav> My ltsp-build-client failed, so I've been re-running ltsp-build-client, but there's nothing that UNMOUNTS /proc in the build-client
[04:17] <ogra> sbalneav, was already gone from my tree when your mail arrived, since uspash cares for fd itself now
[04:17] <tsurc> tried the app->gnome-power-manager->can_hibernate uncheck trick
[04:18] <tsurc> didn't work
[04:18] <tsurc> :(
[04:18] <ogra> sbalneav, it is :)
[04:18] <sbalneav> tsurc: Did you mark it as "manditory"?
[04:18] <tsurc> ?
[04:18] <sbalneav> What you want to do (or how I do it) is:
[04:18] <tsurc> take that as a no
[04:18] <ogra> sbalneav, have a look at the on_exit function in ltsp-build-client
[04:19] <sbalneav> gksu gconf-editor
[04:19] <sbalneav> gnome-power-manager
[04:19] <sbalneav> uncheck can_hibernate
[04:19] <sbalneav> Then right click on it, and...
[04:19] <sbalneav> mark it "manditory"
[04:19] <sbalneav> that way, it's for all users, and not overridable.
[04:20] <ogra> and do the same for can_suspend
[04:20] <tsurc> ah ha thats the same as mandatory right?
[04:20] <ogra> but as i said, the fix should be in next week anyway
[04:20] <tsurc> have done the susspend too
[04:20] <tsurc> ;)
[04:20] <tsurc> cool
[04:21] <sbalneav> err, yeah, mandatory :)
[04:22] <tsurc> \o/ for ogra...and Mr Balneav ;)
[04:22] <tsurc> and jim
[04:22] <sbalneav> *MR* Balneaves? what, is my dad here? :)
[04:22] <sbalneav> I'm just plain old Scott :)
[04:22] <sbalneav> No Mr required :)
[04:23] <ogra> mr.scott ? 
[04:23] <ogra> :)
[04:23] <sbalneav> I canna hol 'er cap'n!
[04:23] <sbalneav> Th' dilithium crystals  canna take it.
[04:23] <ogra> if oyu look in mount-proc, you will see it uses chroot_mount
[04:23] <pygi> RichEd, !!!
[04:23] <tsurc> respect where respect is due, "all" you guys do some great work.
[04:24] <ogra> chroot_mount adds all mounted dirs in the chroot to a list (CHROOT_MOUNTED)
[04:24] <ogra> on_exit unmounts all dirs of that list on exit
[04:25] <cbx33> ogra: nice ;)
[04:27] <RichEd> hi pygi
[04:27] <pygi> hey RichEd 
[04:56] <jsgotangco> wow its only today i noticed the new sounds
[04:58] <tsurc> that did the job, thanks.. erm.... scott (and of course ogra :))
[04:59] <ogra> great :)
[05:01] <tsurc> think i'm off home it's 4pm I've been working since 8am Havn't had any lunch, bacause at 5 to 12 the one pivital switch that keeps the network going whent pop.
[05:04] <Jon335> So how should I go about upgrading KTouch to 1.6 in Ehubuntu?
[05:31] <pygi> bddebian, poke?
[05:38] <bddebian> Yo
[05:42] <pygi> bddebian, any news? :)
[05:42] <bddebian> pygi: No not yet, I'm at work :-(
[05:42] <pygi> ahm, oki bddebian :)
[05:55] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> edubuntu-server, how would i use this?
[06:01] <cbx33> hi ogra any news from pitti?
[06:02] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> Were can I find doc for edubuntu-server
[06:03] <cbx33> kaos|STORMCHAS3R, what do you need?
[06:03] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock 
[06:03] <sbalneav> kaos|STORMCHAS3R: Have you searched on the wiki?
[06:03] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> yes i have searched the wiki, what is the server for?
[06:04] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:04] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you see pessulus go by in edgy-changes :-)
[06:04] <cbx33> yup ;)
[06:04] <cbx33> I had to fight a little for that one;)
[06:04] <cbx33> I still have changes to do to make vuntz and seb128 happy
[06:05] <LaserJock> kaos|STORMCHAS3R: it is a meta-package for installing an LTSP server from the install CD
[06:06] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> gotcha, ill search the wiki more, srry
[06:06] <LaserJock> kaos|STORMCHAS3R: well, what are you trying to do?
[06:07] <LaserJock> edubuntu-server isn't the best way to install an LTSP server
[06:07] <LaserJock> from Ubuntu
[06:07] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[06:08] <LaserJock> the website (www.edubuntu.org) has a fair amount of info
[06:09] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> looking now
[06:11] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> How would I join a edubuntu workstation to a windows domain?
[06:14] <LaserJock> kaos|STORMCHAS3R: not sure, I'm a bad person to ask unfortunately
[06:14] <LaserJock> as I've never done an LTSP install
[06:14] <LaserJock> but I believe it can be done
[06:14] <cbx33> kaos|STORMCHAS3R, what do you want to achieve
[06:21] <kaos|STORMCHAS3R> cbx33, i want to be able to join to the domain
[06:22] <Amaranth> cbx33: after a little more usage the login sound is probably the perfect length
[06:22] <Amaranth> for me on cold boot the sound goes away right before my desktop is completely ready to use
[06:27] <LaserJock> Amaranth: do you have any problems adding "bad" items the the content filter in the GUI?
[06:27] <Amaranth> no?
[06:28] <LaserJock> Amaranth: hmm, ok
[06:28] <Amaranth> what happens for you?
[06:29] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[06:29] <LaserJock> well, robert day said that when he tried my backported (yeah, yeah) 0.3 package he got an error or something when adding to the "bad" list in the content filter
[06:34] <LaserJock> Amaranth: is there a way to reset the content filter db?
[06:35] <Amaranth> LaserJock: sudo rm /etc/willowng/training.db
[06:35] <Jon335> So how should I go about upgrading KTouch to 1.6 in Edubuntu?
[06:35] <LaserJock> ok
[06:35] <cbx33> thanks Amaranth 
[06:42] <LaserJock> wahooo, my browser crashed when I tried to go to microsoft.com
[06:47] <bddebian> heh
[06:48] <LaserJock> but I put it in for "bad content" but it let me go there anyway :/
[07:12] <cylix> I'm running LTSP and when I use the who or w command it does not show all users that are logged in.  Can anyone tell me why? Is it a bug?
[07:18] <Petaris> cylix: I have noticed that as well
[07:19] <Burgwork> could it be that they are logged into the chroot?
[07:19] <cylix> Petaris, Yeah I can still find out who is logged in with ps but that not very good.
[07:19] <cylix> Burgwork, no chroot
[07:20] <cylix> about 3 users show of the 15 logged in.
[07:22] <cylix> guess I need to go into the source and see how who gets its info.
[07:28] <Petaris> or write a script to pull it from ps
[07:51] <mhz> hi all
[08:53] <mhz> RichEd: are you there?
[09:08] <pygi> mhz, can you attend?
[09:10] <mhz> pygi: ?
[09:11] <mhz> hi there
[09:11] <pygi> mhz, handbook, monday
[09:11] <mhz> pygi: time?
[09:11] <pygi> mhz, 20 UTC
[09:11] <mhz> yeah, if web lag is not present, sure
[09:11] <mhz> any email about it?
[09:12] <LaserJock> haha, I was just reading a computing magazine while heating up lunch
[09:12] <pygi> mhz, yes
[09:12] <LaserJock> there was a little blurb about a Vista beta tester that had problems with IE7
[09:13] <mhz> lol
[09:13] <LaserJock> and reportedly the MS support people told him to us Firefox or Opera
[09:13] <LaserJock> *use
[09:13] <bddebian> heh
[09:14] <mhz> their biz-developing model can't be perfect else, they would not make any money ot of it
[09:14] <mhz> ot = out
[09:15] <LaserJock> I would have had a laughing fit if they had said "Use Ubuntu, that's what we do" ;-)
[09:16] <mhz> hehehehehe, they can only say it off the record
[09:37] <mhz> re
[09:46] <mhz> pygi: I got no email about EHB meeting proposal
[09:47] <pygi> mhz, Susan sent it 
[09:47] <pygi> mhz, it's monday 20:00 UTC, that's all you must know :)
[09:47] <mhz> hehe, true
[10:00] <mhz> neurogeek: hey
[10:00] <mhz> got a min?
[10:00] <neurogeek> mhz, Hello!!
[10:00] <neurogeek> finally
[10:00] <mhz> yup
[10:00] <mhz> pm?
[10:32] <mhz> neurogeek: BTW, jsgotanco has experience on mobile devices, as well.
[10:32] <mhz> neurogeek: but his usually awake while we are sleeping :)
[10:33] <neurogeek> mhz, good to know that!
[10:33] <mhz> neurogeek: and in Philipines, sure they have 'experience'
[10:35] <mhz_off> bye all
[11:12] <Jon335> How would I go about updating a package or getting it updated?
[11:16] <LaserJock> Jon335: what package?
[11:17] <Jon335> KTouch
[11:23] <pygi> HedgeMage, !!!
[11:23] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)
[11:29] <LaserJock> Jon335: and in which release? sorry, I've been away
[11:30] <Jon335> Dapper
[11:30] <LaserJock> ahhh
[11:30] <LaserJock> Jon335: do you know if edgy has the version you want?
[11:31] <Jon335> dunno, they are marked by KDE version not the actual KTouch version
[11:31] <Jon335> I'll look
[11:32] <Jon335> looks like the latest vorsion is in edgy, yes
[11:32] <Jon335> *version
[11:33] <LaserJock> Jon335: would it require new KDE libs?
[11:35] <LaserJock> if it does it might not be able to be backported
[11:35] <LaserJock> if it's just KTouch then you could open a backport bug (ask #ubuntu-motu with help with that)
[11:36] <pygi> HedgeMage, how have you been?
[11:36] <LaserJock> I gotta reboot, I'll brb
[12:01] <Burgwork> anybody here used sf.net's svn?
[12:02] <LaserJock> nope just alioth's
[12:02] <Burgwork> hmm, cause I am failing to connect
[12:03] <pygi> Burgwork, yes, it's bad
[12:03] <pygi> try several times
[12:03] <Jon335> LaserJock: From #ubuntu-MOTU: "why...kde 3.5.4 packages are available from kubuntu.org...just get it from kubuntu.org"
[12:04] <LaserJock> arrgg, who said that?
[12:04] <ogra> LaserJock, guess :)
[12:04] <Jon335> LaserJock: Riddell
[12:05] <LaserJock> I'm not sure I understand that
[12:05] <LaserJock> they all come from the same repo
[12:05] <LaserJock> and then point is that you want KTouch updated in Dapper, right?
[12:05] <Burgwork> hmm, where are the bzr packages for FC4?
[12:12] <Jon335> LaserJock: Exactly
[12:12] <Jon335> LaserJock: I was thinking the same thing