[12:18] ping ogra_ [12:22] heh [12:24] highvoltage, poke? :) === mhz [n=mhz@200.119.233.92] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] hi all [12:41] th1a__: ping [12:41] hey mhz [12:41] cbx33: hey there [12:42] cbx33: any good knowledge on sysadmin? === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [12:42] sysadmin in general? [12:42] yup [12:42] what' the question? [12:43] I had to rescue this tiny laptop's HD using it in a external USB case. [12:43] u huh [12:44] So, the computer from which it was installed had 3 NICs, and when I placed the HD back to the laptop, [12:45] the laptop hardware only has 1 eth0 and 1 ath0 [12:45] BUTY [12:45] BUT [12:45] eeek [12:45] systems insists it is eth2 and ath1 [12:45] I have no idea [12:45] hhhmmm [12:45] my guess is there must be some file I could manually edit [12:46] ehere is a file [12:46] but I can;t recall what it is ow [12:46] ask in #ubuntu [12:46] I'm off to bed [12:46] shattered [12:47] cbx33: okis thx === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === edgarin [n=edgarin@asturlab/member/edgarin] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [01:56] ogra_: do I need to do something with the spec? [01:57] probably make it match the reality ? [01:57] edubuntu-dynamic-menus is listed as "slow progress" and "discussion" [01:57] sure [01:57] if it matches already, change the status to deployment or so [01:57] and mark it good progress ;) [01:58] ok, I'll work on the wiki page then do that [01:59] ogra_: do you think you'll want a MIR for edgy+1? [01:59] well, make a MIR it wont do any harm ... [01:59] hopefully it won't take up much space ;-) [02:00] if we keep implementing our specs we will run out of room quicker [02:00] well, my specs didnt take a megabyte on the CD yet [02:00] nice [02:00] how about SCP [02:00] not in main yet [02:00] did Pete's code add very much? [02:01] but pitti wants to look over it tomorrow [02:01] sure, but if it gets there ;-) [02:01] no, he cleaned it up ;) [02:01] I'm going to be optomistic [02:01] Pete did a lot of cool stuff [02:01] its only some kilobyte [02:01] yeah [02:01] i'll surely cheer very loud for his motuship [02:02] sabayon isn't in Main is it? [02:02] it is [02:02] its even on the CD now [02:02] (edubuntu) [02:02] hmm [02:02] not installed though [02:03] in talking with RichEd I think it would be cool to create sabayon profiles as well [02:03] although they wouldn't really be very dynamic [02:03] but things like having a profile per grade [02:03] seem pretty cool [02:04] there recently came a package from debian with default profiles [02:04] cool [02:05] but i'm not sure it has sabayon === mhz will have to install many apps edu oriented and have them categorized by 'subjects' :( [02:05] I was thinking of adding .directories to edubuntu-menus so that we can rename submenus [02:05] yeah! [02:05] the only thing is getting them translated [02:06] ? [02:06] right [02:06] I've stayed away from editing .directory and .desktop files because they are translated [02:06] and the .desktop files [02:06] not onyl that [02:06] .desktop files have the categories in them ... [02:07] mhm [02:07] you will need to update them if you invent categories [02:07] well, the fd.o Categories are really good [02:07] gnome just doesn't use them [02:07] to keep things simple [02:08] so if we provided a Science .directory we could have a Science submenu [02:08] which we can't do right now [02:08] right, but you need to update all .desktop files of apps you want in there [02:08] nope [02:09] well, they should have science in Categories already [02:09] it's just a matter of getting the submenu [02:10] kalzium, for instance has :Categories=Qt;KDE;Education;Science; [02:11] so if I created a science.directory then it could go in a science submenu without me touching the .desktop [02:11] anyway, that's pretty much edgy+1 material [02:12] how do you make sure it doesnt show in education as well ? [02:12] I could exclude Science from the Education menuu [02:12] since it's going to Science [02:13] so I would get Eduction and then exclude the categories that I already have submenus for [02:14] either that or I would only put people in the education group when I wanted general stuff [02:14] anyway, there are some possibilities there [02:16] ah, nice === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === stormchas3r [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:19] wow there is alot of people in #ubuntu [02:19] ogra_: the other edgy+1 issue is editing [02:20] is edubuntu meant for grades 9-12? [02:20] ogra_: if we don't allow for .desktop editing then I think a simple GUI would be fairly easily done [02:20] stormchas3r: well, pretty much any educational setting I'd say [02:20] stormchas3r: yup, indeed [02:20] there is stuff for preschool kids [02:21] LaserJock, right ... an alacarte extension or something would suffice i think [02:21] ogra_: perhaps, I'll have to talk with Amaranth about that [02:21] stormchas3r: and if all apps are not enough, there is a bunch of edu apps we could provide from repositories ;) [02:21] what about joining to a windows domain? [02:21] stormchas3r: no problem [02:22] really [02:22] the issues are usually from M$ to Other systems :) === stormchas3r used to be a avid suse user until he tried Ubuntu and never looked back [02:23] The book "The official ubuntu book" is amazing. Its teaches you everything about ubuntu. I highly recommend it [02:24] me too :) [02:24] and hopefully we'll have The Edubuntu Handbook sometime soon [02:25] nice [02:25] stormchas3r: are you planning to use Edubuntu at any school? or home kids? [02:26] I am a network admin in 2 technical high schools and would like to implement ubuntu or edubuntu. [02:26] not sure who to talk to about this [02:26] and i dont want to scare them away [02:29] hehehehe [02:30] i'd talk to one teacher, show him/her some edubuntu stuff related to his/her subjects [02:31] what about getting free cd's to hand out, other that the free 10 ones === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] I noticed edubuntu looks geared toward the younger crowd, what can you show me for high school students/ [02:40] well, high school is much harder, IMO, because you start getting into subject areas [02:41] and it becomes a little more fuzzy as to what is an "educational" app [02:41] but Edubuntu has access to the full Ubuntu repositories [02:41] so there's lots of software there [02:41] do they come enabled by default, or do you have to add the repos [02:42] stormchas3r, use gnome-app-install ... [02:42] (add/remove from the main menu) [02:42] ha [02:42] it will ust enable them if it needs them... (after asking you indeed) [02:42] gotcha [02:43] ty [02:44] can i add the edubuntu repos on ubuntu, instead of installing edubuntu? [02:45] stormchas3r: well, edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-servers are just packages [02:45] roger that [02:45] you install them on top of any ubuntu flavor [02:45] ty again [02:45] while installing edubuntu-server doesn tmake much sense on ubuntu ... you are better off with ltsp-server-standalone if you really want the ltsp stuff [02:46] stormchas3r: no thanks.... U$4321 :D [02:46] ogra_: well, true [02:46] (edubuntu-server is basically to keep the server bits on the CD together) [02:46] but it currently depends only on schooltool and ltsp [02:46] mhz, no thanks? [02:47] stormchas3r: well, it was meant to be a joke...to your 'ty again' [02:47] lol [02:47] :) [02:47] :) [02:48] well, time for me to shut down...this tiny laptop is not enough for Edubuntu running XFCE desktop [02:49] between the net lag of this cibercafe and the RAM lack...it is kind of painful === mhz will get back to fluxbox === mhz is now known as mhz_off === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.39.89] has joined #edubuntu === felipe__ [n=Felipe@200.107.56.151] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:15] hey Burgundavia [03:15] hey jsgotangco [03:16] how you doing lately? [03:17] not bad [03:18] good to hear === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:19] hmm, what happened to my work machine? [03:19] given I am not there. [03:20] heh [03:20] hmm jjesse reviewed his own book in amazon? hehe [03:20] haha === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [03:20] greetings [03:20] that is what authors are supposed to do [03:20] really? [03:20] ? [03:20] "The best part of this book is the chapter on Kubuntu" [03:21] how do you roll your eyes in IRC? [03:21] right [03:21] are you talking about that linux tech show [03:21] apparently [03:21] Amaranth: amazon review of the ubuntu book [03:21] by one of the authors [03:21] 0_0 [03:21] ah [03:22] jono? :) [03:22] no, jjesse [03:22] About that book: yay screenshots of alacarte, boo full-size screenshots in the example content version :) [03:23] we dont have the book available locally so I dont have it === gnomefreak likes the book :) === dragonriot [n=dragonri@24-177-116-232.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.139.215] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:58] Evening all [05:00] hi! [05:06] Hey jsgotangco [05:09] hi sbalneav [05:09] hey LaserJock [05:09] How's it going? [05:09] ok [05:09] I can't for the life of me get NX going [05:09] but I did upload edubuntu-menus today to Universe [05:10] Oooh [05:10] Cool [05:10] Congrats on the completed spec! [05:15] yeah, until somebody breaks it === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [08:40] hi HedgeMage :) [08:47] What's up ? [08:55] The feature freeze was last night ... probably lost of tired people this morning. [08:55] *lots [08:56] I bet. [08:56] I feel bad for not being around, but between the unexpected trip to my folks' place and hubby's surgery and such, I've hardly been online in weeks. [08:57] I'm busy with User / Stakeholder Categorisation to identify and profile our target audiences : First step in bringing more "end user" focus to our web and info presence. [08:57] Hope hubby is okay ? [08:57] He will be [08:57] good :) [08:57] Thanks. [08:58] If you have a minute, what do you think of I'm no artist, but an article I read recently gave me the idea to try to toss something together. I thought we might change the color for each release. [08:59] oops [08:59] screwed up paste... sorry [08:59] I meant, if you have a minute, what do you think of http://www.binaryredneck.net/node/72 ? It's my backup plan in case Handbook is so behind we can't get the art team to help us with a cover. [09:04] hi ... looks good [09:04] pete savages wife has been doing some artwork for us [09:05] For future thinking, I'll mail you the user / stakeholder first pass doc so you can see the wide range of people we need to address. === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:06] This will all get fleshed out onto a wiki and then a portal area. Yo'ull see that the audience is a lot wider than your title at present :) === maning [n=cosca@58.71.92.81] has joined #edubuntu [09:07] Cool :) [09:08] I tried to at least keep it from looking like it was just for young kids (which is the impression I think too many people get) [09:08] HedgeMage: ping window right -> [09:08] just saw it :) [09:08] you'll see from the doc that we have iCafe's using Edubntu because of the LTSP [09:09] mornin dudes and dudeettes [09:09] ping ogra [09:09] highvoltage is rolling out 1000 this upcoming year [09:10] well, not me, the company I work for :) [09:10] so we will not do a one version fits all handbook, nor a one version per sub-category, but maybe a few broad target versions ... it should unfold as we explore [09:10] I'm adding the handbook to the resource list now for mapping [09:11] good morning cbx33 : how are you this fine friday ? [09:11] cool [09:11] Just keep in mind we're having enough trouble getting ONE handbook out, :/ [09:11] RichEd: I'm doing great === HedgeMage pounces cbx33 [09:11] people seem to love the new UbuntuSounds, which has made me extra cool this morning [09:11] How did the freeze go last night ? I did not get a chance to pop my head in. === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-206-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage grins at cbx33 [09:12] Hiya HedgeMage [09:12] RichEd: freeze was good, most things got in [09:12] wow, talk about timing... Hi, pygi [09:12] Morning all [09:12] pygi: hi were the presentations useful ? [09:12] I'm just waiting to talk to ogra about SCP and Pessulus [09:12] I fear that the pessulus patch I did, did not get in, which means I'll have to drop some features from SCP [09:12] RichEd, didn't had time to look yet :-/ [09:13] unless an exception can be raised [09:13] cbx33, well it can, just depends on particular case [09:13] which I have no idea about....so I'm waiting to speak to ogra ;) - But I think he's going to be largely resting today [09:13] okay ... i'll send you a mail today ... need to mail acesuares as well ... similar topic [09:14] RichEd, ok :) Seems on that page there is just one edubuntu general presentation [09:15] yep ... we're on a drive to improve marketing / brochures / web portal audience specific pages ... will add PRESENTATIONS to my user & stakeholder category doc. [09:15] So, when you & I produce a new version from the existing one, we'll bring it into the arsenal :) [09:16] pygi: any clue when we can attempt to get handbook folks together [09:16] RichEd, hehe, ok :) [09:16] HedgeMage, Handbook folks = me, you, mhz :P [09:16] HedgeMage, and I definitly hope soon, because of the following reasons: [09:16] 1)I'm very busy anyway [09:16] 2)I'll be even busier later [09:17] RichEd, I hope I can get some exclusive edu informations for presentation :) [09:17] pygi: and RobinSheapard and Joyce [09:17] pygi: mhz has limited 'net access right now, IIRC [09:17] HedgeMage, ahm, ok, but I haven't heard from none of them [09:18] pygi ... we'll define your audience, and refine a good pitch. [09:18] HedgeMage, I have limited sleep access :) [09:18] how are you HedgeMage [09:18] RichEd, it would be good if we could define it, but oh well :) [09:18] robin has made svn commits, joyce gave me a phone call not long ago, I can get ahold of her any time as I'm good friends with her fella === RichEd needs to get ready & presentable for a face-2-face meeting ... will pop my head back in before I leave [09:19] okay see you soon :) [09:19] laters RichEd [09:24] HedgeMage, so you decide, I'm up for any day you want mostly [09:25] Monday then? [09:26] pygi: any particular time? [09:26] HedgeMage, 20 UTC === HedgeMage does math [09:26] Sounds good :) [09:26] Is that good for mhz? [09:26] let me check the last email he sent to the list [09:27] Yep, that's within the range he gave. [09:27] oki [09:28] then contact other two people [09:28] I'll drop an email to the fridge folks now, then joyce and robin and the pertinant email lists. [09:28] oki :) [09:38] Pertinent emails are sent... I'm off to bed now === HedgeMage waves === RichEd is out to a meeting at 12 Plein Street [09:58] RichEd: I think there's only like, 2 people in #edubuntu who would know what that means :) [09:59] yup [09:59] and one of those isn'tme [09:59] just like the joke I made yesterday [09:59] http://progbox.co.uk/benzene.jpg === RichEd is out to a meeting at Canonical Offices in Cape Town, South Africa. Anyone in the vicinity is welcome to join for a cup of coffee. [10:00] oooooh Nice! [10:00] highvoltage, !!! [10:00] highvoltage: okay so you bust me cutting and pasting from the #canonical message :P === RichEd was trying to save time and keystrokes but to no avail ;) [10:01] heh [10:01] pygi: I haven't followed your instructions yet [10:01] highvoltage, I know :) [10:01] pygi: I'll have to do it either very late tonight, or very early tomorrow morning [10:01] but it's friday night tonight so it shouldn't be a problem :) === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:02] mornin jono [10:02] highvoltage, heh, ok, I'll give you further instructions once you are done with this [10:03] hey [10:03] jey jono [10:03] people call me jono too IRL so it's strange to see your nick :) [10:04] highvoltage, jonos unite! :) [10:04] Just be thankful they don;t call you Joner [10:04] jono: yeah! [10:04] heh [10:05] jono: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/JOCUAMAOE [10:05] jono: ^^^ that's from my local LUG :) === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:18] highvoltage, poke? :))) [10:18] seems like libburn will soon work on freebsd as well ^_^ [10:20] wow [10:20] nice pygi === pygi looks at diff [10:20] 1246 lines === Kozuch [n=jan@14.125.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [11:46] Think I have fixed the NIS with LDA problem [11:47] tsurc: :D [11:48] yep, turns out that NIS doesn't use any goup under ID 1000 and the clients will use the setting of a local group by default. === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:51] so get rid of the local fuse group, change ID of the fuse group on the NIS server to something like 1133 and change permissions on the /dev/fuse, /usr/bin/fusermount and enything that should be owned by fuse group to match and presto. [11:51] tsurc, you are welcome to write wiki page, you know;) [11:53] I know.. take a look at LinkAggrigation page ;) not my best work but its there for future reference [11:57] LRL06 inspired me to finaly get of my skinny backside and write something(thank you mr bacon.. sterling work) === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] cbx33, pitti promised to look at it today [12:24] ogra: :D [12:24] ogra: I talked to vuntz and seb128 [12:25] they want me to make a change [12:25] ok [12:25] but they are happy with the concept [12:25] they want me to break my additions out in to a seperate class [12:25] seb just asked me if we really need that change ... is it a big difference ? [12:25] to pessulus? [12:25] ah [12:25] it won't work without it [12:25] pessulus integration won't work without that patch [12:26] it allows modification of anyones gconf key, assuming you have permission of course [12:26] pessulus by default edits your own keys only [12:26] yes, i know [12:26] sorry ogra I've been flowing that sentence out a lot lately [12:26] I'm not 100% sure how they want it broken out [12:27] just trying to get that out of vuntz [12:27] ok [12:27] because the only real way I can see would mean duping a whole section of code [12:27] which seems unnecessary [12:27] my changes are only small [12:28] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pessulus/+bug/59490 [12:30] ogra: did you see the new artwork I poseted last night [12:30] some concepts [12:30] nope, i didnt [12:30] http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP1.jpg [12:30] http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP2.jpg [12:30] comments appreciated [12:30] more for hugher edu theme [12:31] ogra: can you confrim from seb128, if they are integrating now on the proviso I make the change, or waiting till I make the change [12:32] the artwork looks sweet :) [12:33] Burgwork: said there look like too much english text [12:33] cbx33: are those that lisa made? [12:34] I made those [12:34] cool :) [12:34] under lisas direction [12:34] highvoltage, you again :) [12:35] pygi: heh [12:36] hey guys [12:36] jsgotangco, hey ho [12:37] how it going all [12:37] its too yellowish hmmm [12:37] but not bad [12:37] hehe jsgotangco [12:37] hey jsgotangco [12:38] highvoltage: hi! [12:38] jsgotangco: how's the new job? (or did I mis-quick-read recent #edubuntu activity?) [12:38] highvoltage: pretty good, 4-day workweek [12:39] actually i get a 3 day weekend [12:39] heh [12:39] wow [12:39] so im pretty much enjoying today === highvoltage bows [12:39] alright for some eh? [12:39] cbx33: well regular working hours at office is 9am to 7pm [12:39] yikes [12:39] ok I can see why [12:39] but since the traffic here is so bad going out of office at 7pm isnt bad [12:40] for city people here, leaving at work at 7pm is pretty normal [12:40] but then i get to work at home too [12:46] *sniff* JaneW said my car is cheap boohoooo [12:49] my car is cheap too, but I love it. [12:50] cbx33, see -devel :)) [12:51] :) [12:58] bah, the merge yesterday broke everyhing in ltsp :( [01:17] whhaaa?? [01:17] is that why its kept back on my machine? [01:18] no [01:19] it only breaks the ltsp-build-client script === jsgotang1o [n=jsg123@125.212.121.123] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-86.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotang1o is now known as jsgotangco [01:34] cbx33, poke? [01:40] com'on, awake yourself cbx33 :) === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [02:19] I'm here [02:19] sorry pygi [02:19] sorry pygi [02:19] hehe [02:19] on a friday at lunch, me and some of the pupils go and play music down in the music room [02:20] we just recorded a song which was amix between the phrase "I want an Ice Cream, give me one now", Smells Like Teen Spirit and The Self Preservation Society [02:21] cbx33, oki, you have time now :) [02:22] read pm :) [02:23] ok [02:25] Anyone had luck installing linneighborhood on amd64 edubuntu? [03:05] eh? what this email about? [03:08] jsgotangco: are you on edgy? === tsurc [n=alistair@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] Hello [03:32] ho hey bddebian :) [03:33] Hi pygi [03:33] how are you? [03:34] Tired man thanks. You? [03:34] tired also, otherwise fantastic :) [03:35] I never thought libburn can advance at such high rate [03:35] That's awesome :-) [03:36] indeed :) [03:36] cbx33: yeah === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] Morning all. [03:46]