[12:23] nixternal: ping [12:23] yellow [12:23] im sittin' here daydreaming [12:23] nixternal: you had stated that the wiki team is open and its not [12:23] really? [12:23] btw i applied in june [12:23] it used to be [12:23] still waiting [12:23] :) [12:24] oh ya, they want to see "Prove" wiki editing experience now [12:24] hmm s/Prove/Proven [12:24] #ubuntu-doc and talk with Burgwork or Burgandavia, or even mdke when he is around..they can get you on the team as well [12:25] hell i forgot about it till you said it before [12:26] hehe [12:27] there is pretty much a zero point of entry though like imbrandon said..i have committed an arse load of patches for Kubuntu documentation..actually most of Kubuntu Edgy doco is me right now..however I can't get commit access [12:27] so i submit patches and they wait..and sometimes never get committe [12:28] believe you me, i agree with splitting the stuff as well, as i feel from working with these other teams, we are looked at on a different level, and our contribution is second to that of ubuntu [12:28] :( [12:28] i sure hope Riddell rocks with taking the doco svn and merging it with bzr truthfully...maybe then i will be able to commit [12:29] the only reason i said what i said in #*-meeting was because i had the same thoughts and said the same things back in march and april, and it made some people upset..so i did the "political" thing there, sorry ;( [12:30] nixternal: don't worry, we'll work within the already established structures. the last thing we'd like to do is turn everyone against us :) [12:30] we might not even have to split, if we could just add in the proper Kubuntu-related instructions [12:30] it would be nice to have some freedom with the doco though...it is just so generic and crappy at points..however jjesse has been kickin' arse on fixing that [12:31] nixternal: burgan* can probably be reasoned with about that. [12:31] we'll be as diplomatic as possible... if possible :) [12:31] heh, every now and then Hobbsee he can be [12:32] nixternal: hmm? [12:32] actually...me and jjesse actually took the freedom here recently with Kubuntu docs [12:32] and trappist as well...he has been committing like crazy [12:32] nixternal: i dont undersatnd your statement [12:32] oh [12:33] some of the people on the doc team are just set in their ways..and can be difficult to reason with at times...but some finesse usually goes a long way ;) [12:33] ah [12:33] nixternal: trappist is a huge assett. He was the one that gave me my ops in #Mandrake years back. He helps the community in so many ways [12:33] Hobbsee: abattoir isn't here, and I just remembered one of the things he brought up. abouth KDE's 10th anniversary? [12:33] well, isnt that true of a lot of groups? [12:34] Jucato: go ahead and talk about it in the meeting :) [12:34] :) === Jucato gets sweaty hands again... [12:34] Hobbsee: it very well may be, but that isn't true with this group ;) [12:34] thats why i stay here ! [12:34] nixternal: :) [12:34] lol [12:34] nixternal: we do get quite segregated though. which is rather bad [12:34] Jucato: I'll handle it [12:34] plus if i tried to leave, i fear a sharp pointy stick as well [12:34] Jucato: That's why I said what I did a few ago :P [12:35] hehe [12:35] ya Hobbsee, and i don't like how we get segregated, then we plan on how we can fix it by "pulling away" from momma, and then someone is like, NO, you don't need to do that [12:35] Hawkwind: what will you handle? [12:36] The 10th anniversary thing [12:36] ah ok [12:36] nixternal: true that. probably needs some thought [12:37] it definitely does, but i don't want to step on toes again...i will walk along side though if you want to step on some ;) i will take every other toe ;) [12:38] hehe [12:38] nixternal: i dont need to step on toes, i can just crack my whip :P [12:38] true that...then i will stand back aways then ;) [12:38] lol [12:39] hi nixternal [12:39] just reading the backlog [12:39] well hello there LaserJock ;) [12:39] snooping is more like it ;) [12:40] you are wanting to split off kde docs from the doc team svn repo? [12:40] im following the meeting, trying to figure out this "middle-click-to-close-firefox" [12:40] LaserJock: please no [12:40] hehe never [12:40] LaserJock: i keep telling them *not* to go there [12:40] interested in the bzr way though [12:40] Hobbsee: heh, well you guys started it :p [12:40] I tried bzr [12:41] I created a bzr repo of the svn on doc.ubuntu.com a while back [12:41] bzr is the new and groovy way..we are using bzr for out other project...actually you really are [12:41] we played around with it [12:41] LaserJock: no, i did a lot of telling them "no" - not giving the m the ideas :P [12:41] didn't like it [12:41] I really don't think bzr is the way to go for the present doc work [12:41] we would really have to change the way we do things, I think [12:41] i would know really...i just 'svn diff > woohoo.diff' [12:42] s/would/wouldn't [12:42] well, do you know how long it would take to branch it? [12:42] a very, very, very long time ;-) [12:42] ahh..we have 7 days ;) [12:42] we have over 3,000 commits and it is close to 200MB in size [12:42] Hobbsee: what is this "middle click to close firefox" thing? [12:43] nixternal: er, tabs in firefox [12:43] hah [12:43] oops [12:43] oh [12:43] the other aspect is that we are currently set up to have one large repo [12:43] it's still early, and i'm not an early bird [12:43] i was like, mine don't work [12:44] we would essentially have to split the current repo up into chunks for bzr to be at all practical [12:44] oh nice..you don't have to hit the stoopid x [12:44] now that wouldn't be fun LaserJock [12:44] it might be the way we have to go in the future, but it would be a lot of work [12:45] I really like bzr [12:45] but it doesn't work as well as svn for the current doc team workflow [12:46] ya, i really wouldn't know though, as i don't have the 'direct' access or way to work with them as close as you do to be able to say yay or nay on the idea [12:46] mhm === Hobbsee makes a mental note to NOT BE HERE today [12:46] im used to the svn commands, however the bzr commands are similar [12:46] i went to make a mental note earlier, but a failed reboot stopped that [12:47] but I think the Kubuntu part of the doc team is really strong === Jucato makes a similar mental note to get some sleep... [12:47] thank god for kontact, otherwise i would loose all my mental notes [12:47] LaserJock: it is strong, but definitely lacking [12:47] perhaps [12:47] we always need more people [12:47] lol [12:47] full time right now, is me, jjesse, trappist, and robotgeek (when he isn't busy with school i think) [12:48] mhm [12:48] I just noticed that if you have Kontact open and Knotes in your system tray, clicking on KNotes doesn't raise/show Kontact, but the notes instead [12:48] 50% of my screen is knotes [12:48] nixternal: but nobody but mdke is really working on the ubuntu side :/ [12:48] really? [12:49] yep [12:49] you knwo what..look at his commits. you are right [12:49] when he commits for me, he says "nixternal's patch" [12:49] and the same for others [12:49] mhm [12:50] so I think Kubuntu is doing quite well for docs this release [12:50] as they did for the last [12:50] it would be nice to finally get some commit access though..even if it was directory dependent [12:50] well, the doc team doesn't control access [12:50] :/ [12:51] right now, my kubuntu patches have just been sitting..that makes it difficult to edit for others [12:51] mhm [12:51] I know how it goes [12:51] I was there too [12:51] actually...you know it wouldn't be so bad if jjesse didn't mess up his key and his access LOL [12:51] heh [12:51] yep [12:52] most people wouldn't mind applying a patch but most people (including myself) feel like they shouldn't unless they know the doc a bit [12:53] similar issue to package sponsorship that Hobbsee has talked about [12:53] true...i would even accept somebody sending me plain text..i would convert it to docbook for them..or create the patch for them [12:53] LaserJock: true that [12:54] it's unrealistic to think that people should be familiar with all the docs or all the packages Ubuntu ships [12:54] and it is at least nice to know that people want to be sure of what they are doing [12:54] but... [12:54] stuff has to get done [12:54] LaserJock: i have never been sure, thats why i don't raise my arms ;) [12:55] lol [12:55] i just thought about that..i dont' know how popular that commercial is, not everyone might get that ;) === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seaLne feels better for not understanding, then [12:57] Riddell: when does KCC get renewed? [12:57] er, like, people being part of it? [12:57] is the meeting over? [12:57] yes [12:57] :) [12:57] we didnt get anything from jono, either [12:57] heh he was at the top of the agenda [12:59] Hobbsee: I can't remember, I think we said two years [12:59] toma said 6 months [12:59] That was a nice meeting to be a part of as my actual first real meeting to attend :) [12:59] Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650 [12:59] KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New] [12:59] Riddell: ;) [12:59] let's follow this bug and we can rediscuss this item [01:00] thanks [01:00] Tonio_: freeflying has a scim bug that's also critical [01:00] Riddell: which one ? [01:00] Riddell: right === Hobbsee suspects she'll be gotten rid of, due to the dodgy timezone [01:01] Tonio_: something is broken, I need to look at it [01:01] Hobbsee: sounds fair enough :) [01:03] Riddell: I'll look at the bug id and add it to the wiki page === Tonio_ works on digikam [01:05] Hobbsee: I'm off to bed. see you in a few :) === Hobbsee wanders afk to get ready for uni [01:05] Jucato: okay === Hobbsee is at work today [01:06] yes. uni. then work :P [01:06] night! :) === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.223.196] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:07] warning people who have ops - there are idiots around [01:07] yea i just seen [01:07] pretty stupid to post user list that includes the ops === Hawkwind Isn't quit an op, in the middle still [01:08] that still acts as a ping :P [01:08] Hawkwind: doesnt happen as much in #kubuntu - more in #ubuntu [01:08] Ah, thought I was missing something [01:09] Hawkwind: an idiot coming in and spamming user lists. *shrugs* [01:09] that's the most useless thing to scan. [01:09] Hobbsee: Hah. One of those 'smart' spammers :P [01:09] Hobbsee: Agreed. I hate when that happens [01:09] s/scan/spam/ === Hawkwind Kicks tellico [01:10] I love it when apps release a new version 2 - 3 days in a row [01:10] haha [01:11] or when they release a new version less than 8 hours after you merge it. [01:11] hey hang on, that may well have been tellico [01:11] or is that in my random/ folder? [01:11] hmmm. [01:11] Tellico was actually 2 days apart IIRC [01:12] 1.2.1 was today or yesterday, 1.2.0 was 2 days prior [01:12] Though Robby emailed me stating that there was a bug that needed immediate fixing which is why the release so quick [01:13] I'm really sick of kde maintainers when I see how they consider bugs...... [01:13] "this is probably distro specific issue -> rejected"........ [01:14] how "some of them" "sometimes" consider bugs [01:14] Tonio_: for what bug ? [01:17] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133080 [01:17] KDE bug 133080 in general "Regression in 3.5.4: Auto scroll and paste with the middle button" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [01:17] this is really shit....... [01:18] the guy probably didn't even test, because it is very easy to reproduce, and there is a duplicate there : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650 [01:18] KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New] === PascalFR__ [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak didnt touch that one i dont think === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] darn, i cant test my assignment for sanity as easily as i wanted to :( [01:43] boah, what a load of meetings today [01:43] lol [01:43] somehow meetings takes on the feeling of shit [01:44] :p [01:44] kwwii: i dont mind them, if i'm chairing :P [01:44] yeah, no shit [01:44] or if everyone wants to be there, and has a lot to say [01:44] if i'm chairing, they get a lot quikcer :P [01:44] I feel lucky when I am early on the list === sebas missed the meeting. [01:45] Did I miss anything important? === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.109.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] I don't mind telling people what is up, what I am doing and what I am going to do, but I hate waiting a few hours in irc, waiting for the blinking konversartion icon [01:45] sebas: you mean the first meeting, the kubuntu one [01:46] Yes. [01:48] shoot i'm late === sebas won't shoort, it's late :P [01:49] bang, bang, shoot! [01:49] heh === Hobbsee dies all over kwwii [01:50] * kwwii is now covered in purple blood [01:50] ;-) === sebas watches CSI and sleeps. [01:50] at least it is a nice color [01:52] hmmm. is there any point driving to uni and back for half an hour only? === imbrandon does some work on apt-mirror for sid while he eats [01:52] and it's just started raining. yay === kwwii watches a film and sleeps [01:53] pr0n ? [01:53] heh j/k === Hobbsee smacks imbrandon === imbrandon says ouch and sits back down [01:53] surely that wouldnt make him sleep :P [01:53] heh [01:54] hrm what are the components for sid ? main contrib non-free ? [01:54] isnt there one more ? [01:55] nope [01:55] just the three [01:55] okies [01:55] heya LaserJock [01:55] hi imbrandon [01:56] imbrandon: use the new request sync script [01:56] it even works with smtp servers, so you dont need a MTA for it [01:56] Hobbsee, nah its for bugs actualy in the sid package [01:56] ah [01:57] someone filed a darn typo bug lol [01:57] figured i would close it , will be simple [01:57] since it is the one and only package i have in sid and only one bug ;) [01:58] and really its not tyop's at all it's more of changing "it's" to "it is" type thing [01:59] i guess for translations, would be my only guss, but still simple enough fix === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-148.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] hey jjesse [02:04] :) [02:04] sorry i missed the mtg :( === Hobbsee hangs, draws, and quarters jjesse for missing the meeting === jjesse cowers [02:05] jjesse: i missed the first 45 mins :( slept for 40, system wouldnt boot for the next 5 [02:05] Tonio_: where's that crucial bugs page? [02:05] bummer [02:05] what if we ran the mtgs during your evening? [02:06] Hobbsee: will write it tomorrow [02:06] I'm on digikam for the moment [02:06] jjesse: then it's during the UK lunchhour. we tried it once [02:06] ah [02:06] Tonio_: okay. i've just thought of some [02:06] imbrandon: did you get the link for the most recent upload? (not last night, but tonights?) [02:06] Hobbsee: note them, I'll had it tomorrow :) [02:07] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336 [02:07] Malone bug 22336 in acpi-support "laptop overheats when performing CPU intensive tasks." [High,Confirmed] [02:07] for one [02:07] the whole issue of https://launchpad.net/bugs/52670 [02:07] Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [02:08] what are you guys/girls thoughts on kickoff start menu? [02:08] jjesse: what is it? i hear of it, but havent seen it [02:08] it looks sweet... haven't tried it yet [02:08] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 [02:08] ryanakca, no i dident feel free to shoot it to me, i'll look right after i upload this to unstable ( ~15 minutes ) [02:08] i was curious to try it as well it looks like it will rock :) [02:09] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3050 [02:09] oh that [02:09] jjesse, looks good, i've been trying to get it packaged proper, it compiles but ummm packaging is a diffrent story [02:09] Hobbsee: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html I thought your the one who had told me about it... [02:09] ryanakca, okies [02:10] that's a bummer cause i would love to test it :) [02:10] jjesse, i'll have a test but i doubt ( unless i get some help ) that it will be in edgy [02:10] ryanakca: imbrandon may have. i dont tend to check out suse stuff [02:10] jjesse: well... just download the source, compile and checkinstall it [02:10] except for 3rd party repos [02:10] imbrandon: are you still watching -meeting? they're were discussing ff stuff [02:10] Hobbsee, yea === ryanakca is willing to stick it in his repos... if someone packages it for me.. [02:11] morning all === ryanakca had a chance to do 90% of his homework, have supper, take the dog for a walk, read an odd 20 e-mails and it's still going :) [02:12] hehe [02:12] oh, thanks [02:12] lol, its much much longer than the one I introduce myself in [02:12] you reminded me about the stuff i urgently needed to merge [02:12] ryanakca, yea i keep my own repos but its not a simple upgrade as they basicly just patched kicker and kdebase instead of making a new applet [02:13] heh [02:13] so its not a new kmenu in a sence its the old one patched to hell [02:13] kinda an either or type thing [02:14] that makes things a whole lot more complicated... it would've been simpler for them to write in seperatly instead of patching [02:14] one would think, but thats not what happened [02:14] heh [02:14] at least simpler for others [02:14] the kickoff svn is a full kdebase branch [02:14] oh gosh [02:14] exactly === ryanakca has changed his mind about wanting to test it out [02:15] hehe [02:15] sure, it's interesting, but I don't think it would be worth the hassle [02:15] If it was on a demo linux computer, sure... but other than that... never [02:15] thats kinda my thinking, thus i dont spend much time on it, just poke it now and then [02:15] same for XGL/compiz [02:16] well xgl/compiz works much better in edgy [02:16] becouse you dont need the third party crap [02:16] it looks a little much like the start menu in xp/vista [02:16] Sure I could go out, spend 200$ on more ram and a better video card... but I don't feel like it [02:16] jjesse, and thats bad? the kmenu looks like a 1995 start menu too ;) [02:16] lol [02:17] jjesse, think about how many useabilty experts are behind the suse and windows projects ;) [02:17] imbrandon: i run xp in "classic" mode === ryanakca wonders if theres a fvwmubuntu kicking around [02:17] i dont run XP at all ;) [02:17] how would you pronouce that? [02:17] imbrandon: someone on planet kde wrote a thesis on menu useability I think [02:18] ryanakca, yea celest [02:18] celeste [02:18] I only use my mom's XP for iTunes [02:18] ryanakca, ouch , i use OSX and wine for that ;) [02:18] the true iTunes ;) [02:18] and amarok comes a close 2nd to iTunes ;) [02:19] I don't have a mac that will run OSX... but my teachers giving me a performa [02:19] heh [02:19] that will run linux [02:19] imbrandon: amarok is nothing close to iTunes for ipod support [02:20] ryanakca, sure it is, if you set it up right, you have to fiddle with the config for the auto mounting and unmounting [02:20] but it is [02:20] works fine for me [02:20] imbrandon: just as it will run Mac OS9 (well, their os #9) [02:20] the only os9 ( coca ) app i have is SimCity 2000 [02:20] meh.. iTunes it just works... when I get around to learning C++ I'll help out with amarok and iPod [02:21] heh [02:21] also if you install ipodslave it "just works" too ;) [02:21] but the main inclusion report for that isnt approved yet [02:22] ryanakca, ever see my ipod running kubuntuized linux ? [02:22] if I had just a no-name brand mp3 player, it would be different, but figuring out how to stick on album images... oh, and an annoying thing. Stick something on ipod with amarok, and you can't read what iTunes put on it beforehand.. it's still there... just can't access them [02:23] imbrandon: I've read about running linux on iPods... but last time I checked it didn't run on a nano... got a link to the picture? [02:23] sure you can, use 1.4.3 thats all fixed [02:23] ryanakca: that sounds like what kwwii had [02:23] runs on my nano 4gig just fine [02:23] http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg [02:24] ryanakca, ^^ [02:24] Riddell: what, the iTunes + Amarok songs on ipod problem? [02:24] yepp [02:24] apparently it depends on how you put them onto your ipod or such [02:24] yea thats fixed in 1.4.3 ( according to the changelog ) [02:25] imbrandon: nice... I might switch to it... but then you can't use ipodlinux + iTunes i presume? [02:25] I gave up worrying about it [02:25] ryanakca, sure you can , you can even still run the apple firmware too ( dual boot ) [02:25] kwwii: yeah. except your stuck with one or the other.. amarok or iTunes [02:25] ryanakca: yepp, apparently so [02:25] on a 2GB... how big is the image? [02:25] 32mb [02:26] ipodlinux only makes a 32mb partition for the kernel and init scripts, the rest is run off the normal partition [02:26] hmm... that's 4-6 songs worth... half a cd.. I can live with that... how big is the apple image? [02:26] thats including the apple image [02:27] it only takes 32mb extra space to do the linux on the ipod [02:27] 32mb = linux, and then add the apple... how many mb is the apple image... 40-50mb? [02:28] or is 32mb including apple image? [02:28] 32mb == the OS altogather , apple + linux [02:28] the rest is all music/pictures/games etc what ever you put on it [02:29] ah, got a link to the OS? like your modified one (and yes, I know we're offtopic, but the channel isn't being used... :P ), or do you have an option to set up the boot image (I think thats what that was)? [02:29] plus you can play videos on the nano with linux ;) [02:29] oh sweet... too bad the screen is so small though [02:30] i can play doom / halflife / 007 too ;) === kwwii has a 60gb ipod, I could put pretty much everything on that, including linux [02:30] kwwii, yea i fit a few k songs and videos and games no problem on my 4gig [02:31] ipodlinux.org ryanakca === ryanakca is finding his 2gb small... lol, and I used to find my 128mb no-name mp3 player big... [02:31] It's not that you'll listen to all of it every day, it's just that it's there when you want it, where you want it. [02:31] and rockbox, or whatever it is called? [02:32] how is it [02:32] ? [02:32] rockbox is ok, just lacks features [02:32] rockbox? [02:32] rockbox == alterntive appleos , not based on linux but opensource [02:32] ryanakca: opensource firmware for MP3 jukebox [02:33] imbrandon: nope, not only apple [02:33] Tonio_, true , many mp3 players [02:33] rockbox is originally designed for archos players, but has been ported to many more, including shity ipod [02:33] actualy you /can/ tripple boot ;) [02:33] Tonio_, shitty ? heh i love mine [02:34] imbrandon: if you live proprietary formats and drms, have fun :) [02:34] sooo.../me watches a film now, and the sleep [02:34] lol, kk === Tonio_ shits on the ipod [02:34] ;) [02:34] Tonio_, thats iTunes, you dont HAVE to use the propitary formats [02:34] has noting to do with the ipod , it just plays them [02:34] imbrandon: which open format can you use ? [02:35] ogg, mpc, flac ? [02:35] no one [02:35] Tonio_, mpg ogg flac [02:35] ogg is nativelly supported ? [02:35] with linux on it , dunno about apple os, but i know you dont have to use the drm [02:35] in the apple os [02:36] only f you use itunes to buy the music [02:36] not any free format is supported with apple firmware [02:36] ... [02:37] Tonio_: shitting on the ipod is a much prettier idea in french than in any oher language [02:37] my itunes does ogg [02:37] of course you can use mp3's without drms :) [02:38] and aac is open afaik [02:38] kwwii: in french : "je chie sur l'ipod !!!" [02:38] imbrandon: point, indeed :) [02:38] Tonio_: exactly :-) [02:39] just not aac+drm but as i said thats an itunes thing not ipod, the ipod will play aac ;) [02:39] aac is opened except when apple adds it's ****sensored***** drms on them :) [02:39] hehe yea iTunes ;) [02:39] I really dislike apple in fact :) [02:40] the only company that is worse than m in my view :) [02:40] whenever they do good products [02:40] heh i realy like apple, and the fact that most everythgin "just works" and its still a *nix OS [02:40]