[12:23] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ping
[12:23] <nixternal> yellow
[12:23] <nixternal> im sittin' here daydreaming
[12:23] <gnomefreak> nixternal: you had stated that the wiki team is open and its not
[12:23] <nixternal> really?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> btw i applied in june
[12:23] <nixternal> it used to be
[12:23] <gnomefreak> still waiting
[12:23] <Jucato> :)
[12:24] <nixternal> oh ya, they want to see "Prove" wiki editing experience now
[12:24] <nixternal> hmm s/Prove/Proven
[12:24] <nixternal> #ubuntu-doc and talk with Burgwork or Burgandavia, or even mdke when he is around..they can get you on the team as well
[12:25] <gnomefreak> hell i forgot about it till you said it before
[12:26] <nixternal> hehe
[12:27] <nixternal> there is pretty much a zero point of entry though like imbrandon said..i have committed an arse load of patches for Kubuntu documentation..actually most of Kubuntu Edgy doco is me right now..however I can't get commit access
[12:27] <nixternal> so i submit patches and they wait..and sometimes never get committe
[12:28] <nixternal> believe you me, i agree with splitting the stuff as well, as i feel from working with these other teams, we are looked at on a different level, and our contribution is second to that of ubuntu
[12:28] <Jucato> :(
[12:28] <nixternal> i sure hope Riddell rocks with taking the doco svn and merging it with bzr truthfully...maybe then i will be able to commit
[12:29] <nixternal> the only reason i said what i said in #*-meeting was because i had the same thoughts and said the same things back in march and april, and it made some people upset..so i did the "political" thing there, sorry ;(
[12:30] <Jucato> nixternal: don't worry, we'll work within the already established structures. the last thing we'd like to do is turn everyone against us :)
[12:30] <Jucato> we might not even have to split, if we could just add in the proper Kubuntu-related instructions
[12:30] <nixternal> it would be nice to have some freedom with the doco though...it is just so generic and crappy at points..however jjesse has been kickin' arse on fixing that
[12:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: burgan* can probably be reasoned with about that.
[12:31] <Jucato> we'll be as diplomatic as possible... if possible :)
[12:31] <nixternal> heh, every now and then Hobbsee he can be
[12:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hmm?
[12:32] <nixternal> actually...me and jjesse actually took the freedom here recently with Kubuntu docs
[12:32] <nixternal> and trappist as well...he has been committing like crazy
[12:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i dont undersatnd your statement
[12:32] <nixternal> oh
[12:33] <nixternal> some of the people on the doc team are just set in their ways..and can be difficult to reason with at times...but some finesse usually goes a long way ;)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:33] <Hawkwind> nixternal: trappist is a huge assett. He was the one that gave me my ops in #Mandrake years back.  He helps the community in so many ways
[12:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: abattoir isn't here, and I just remembered one of the things he brought up. abouth KDE's 10th anniversary?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> well, isnt that true of a lot of groups?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: go ahead and talk about it in the meeting :)
[12:34] <Jucato> :)
[12:34] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it very well may be, but that isn't true with this group ;)
[12:34] <nixternal> thats why i stay here !
[12:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[12:34] <Jucato> lol
[12:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: we do get quite segregated though.  which is rather bad
[12:34] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'll handle it
[12:34] <nixternal> plus if i tried to leave, i fear a sharp pointy stick as well
[12:34] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's why I said what I did a few ago :P
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:35] <nixternal> ya Hobbsee, and i don't like how we get segregated, then we plan on how we can fix it by "pulling away" from momma, and then someone is like, NO, you don't need to do that
[12:35] <Jucato> Hawkwind: what will you handle?
[12:36] <Hawkwind> The 10th anniversary thing
[12:36] <Jucato> ah ok
[12:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true that.  probably needs some thought
[12:37] <nixternal> it definitely does, but i don't want to step on toes again...i will walk along side though if you want to step on some ;)  i will take every other toe ;)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i dont need to step on toes, i can just crack my whip :P
[12:38] <nixternal> true that...then i will stand back aways then ;)
[12:38] <Jucato> lol
[12:39] <LaserJock> hi nixternal 
[12:39] <LaserJock> just reading the backlog
[12:39] <nixternal> well hello there LaserJock ;)
[12:39] <nixternal> snooping is more like it ;)
[12:40] <LaserJock> you are wanting to split off kde docs from the doc team svn repo?
[12:40] <nixternal> im following the meeting, trying to figure out this "middle-click-to-close-firefox"
[12:40] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: please no
[12:40] <nixternal> hehe never
[12:40] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i keep telling them *not* to go there
[12:40] <nixternal> interested in the bzr way though
[12:40] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: heh, well you guys started it :p
[12:40] <LaserJock> I tried bzr
[12:41] <LaserJock> I created a bzr repo of the svn on doc.ubuntu.com a while back
[12:41] <nixternal> bzr is the new and groovy way..we are using bzr for out other project...actually you really are
[12:41] <LaserJock> we played around with it
[12:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no, i did a lot of telling them "no" - not giving the m the ideas :P
[12:41] <nixternal> didn't like it
[12:41] <LaserJock> I really don't think bzr is the way to go for the present doc work
[12:41] <LaserJock> we would really have to change the way we do things, I think
[12:41] <nixternal> i would know really...i just 'svn diff > woohoo.diff'
[12:42] <nixternal> s/would/wouldn't
[12:42] <LaserJock> well, do you know how long it would take to branch it?
[12:42] <LaserJock> a very, very, very long time ;-)
[12:42] <nixternal> ahh..we have 7 days ;)
[12:42] <LaserJock> we have over 3,000 commits and it is close to 200MB in size
[12:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what is this "middle click to close firefox" thing?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: er, tabs in firefox
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:43] <Hobbsee> oops
[12:43] <nixternal> oh
[12:43] <LaserJock> the other aspect is that we are currently set up to have one large repo
[12:43] <Hobbsee> it's still early, and i'm not an early bird
[12:43] <nixternal> i was like, mine don't work
[12:44] <LaserJock> we would essentially have to split the current repo up into chunks for bzr to be at all practical
[12:44] <nixternal> oh nice..you don't have to hit the stoopid x
[12:44] <nixternal> now that wouldn't be fun LaserJock
[12:44] <LaserJock> it might be the way we have to go in the future, but it would be a lot of work
[12:45] <LaserJock> I really like bzr
[12:45] <LaserJock> but it doesn't work as well as svn for the current doc team workflow
[12:46] <nixternal> ya, i really wouldn't know though, as i don't have the 'direct' access or way to work with them as close as you do to be able to say yay or nay on the idea
[12:46] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:46] <nixternal> im used to the svn commands, however the bzr commands are similar
[12:46] <nixternal> i went to make a mental note earlier, but a failed reboot stopped that
[12:47] <LaserJock> but I think the Kubuntu part of the doc team is really strong
[12:47] <nixternal> thank god for kontact, otherwise i would loose all my mental notes
[12:47] <nixternal> LaserJock: it is strong, but definitely lacking
[12:47] <LaserJock> perhaps
[12:47] <LaserJock> we always need more people
[12:47] <Jucato> lol
[12:47] <nixternal> full time right now, is me, jjesse, trappist, and robotgeek (when he isn't busy with school i think)
[12:48] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:48] <Jucato> I just noticed that if you have Kontact open and Knotes in your system tray, clicking on KNotes doesn't raise/show Kontact, but the notes instead
[12:48] <nixternal> 50% of my screen is knotes
[12:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: but nobody but mdke is really working on the ubuntu side :/
[12:48] <nixternal> really?
[12:49] <LaserJock> yep
[12:49] <nixternal> you knwo what..look at his commits. you are right
[12:49] <nixternal> when he commits for me, he says "nixternal's patch"
[12:49] <nixternal> and the same for others
[12:49] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:50] <LaserJock> so I think Kubuntu is doing quite well for docs this release
[12:50] <LaserJock> as they did for the last
[12:50] <nixternal> it would be nice to finally get some commit access though..even if it was directory dependent
[12:50] <LaserJock> well, the doc team doesn't control access
[12:50] <LaserJock> :/
[12:51] <nixternal> right now, my kubuntu patches have just been sitting..that makes it difficult to edit for others
[12:51] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:51] <LaserJock> I know how it goes
[12:51] <LaserJock> I was there too
[12:51] <nixternal> actually...you know it wouldn't be so bad if jjesse didn't mess up his key  and his access LOL
[12:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:51] <LaserJock> yep
[12:52] <LaserJock> most people wouldn't mind applying a patch but most people (including myself) feel like they shouldn't unless they know the doc a bit
[12:53] <LaserJock> similar issue to package sponsorship that Hobbsee has talked about
[12:53] <nixternal> true...i would even accept somebody sending me plain text..i would convert it to docbook for them..or create the patch for them
[12:53] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: true that
[12:54] <LaserJock> it's unrealistic to think that people should be familiar with all the docs or all the packages Ubuntu ships
[12:54] <LaserJock> and it is at least nice to know that people want to be sure of what they are doing
[12:54] <LaserJock> but...
[12:54] <LaserJock> stuff has to get done
[12:54] <nixternal> LaserJock: i have never been sure, thats why i don't raise my arms ;)
[12:55] <LaserJock> lol
[12:55] <nixternal> i just thought about that..i dont' know how popular that commercial is, not everyone might get that ;)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when does KCC get renewed?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> er, like, people being part of it?
[12:57] <Jucato> is the meeting over?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:57] <Jucato> :)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> we didnt get anything from jono, either
[12:57] <Jucato> heh he was at the top of the agenda
[12:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I can't remember, I think we said two years
[12:59] <Riddell> toma said 6 months
[12:59] <Hawkwind> That was a nice meeting to be a part of as my actual first real meeting to attend :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650
[12:59] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New]  
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[12:59] <Tonio_> let's follow this bug and we can rediscuss this item
[01:00] <Riddell> thanks
[01:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: freeflying has a scim bug that's also critical
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: which one ?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[01:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: something is broken, I need to look at it
[01:01] <seaLne> Hobbsee: sounds fair enough :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll look at the bug id and add it to the wiki page
[01:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm off to bed. see you in a few :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: okay
[01:06] <Hobbsee> yes.  uni.  then work :P
[01:06] <Jucato> night! :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> warning people who have ops - there are idiots around
[01:07] <imbrandon> yea i just seen 
[01:07] <Hobbsee> pretty stupid to post user list that includes the ops
[01:08] <Hobbsee> that still acts as a ping :P
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: doesnt happen as much in #kubuntu - more in #ubuntu
[01:08] <Hawkwind> Ah, thought I was missing something
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: an idiot coming in and spamming user lists.  *shrugs*
[01:09] <Hobbsee> that's the most useless thing to scan.
[01:09] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Hah.  One of those 'smart' spammers :P
[01:09] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Agreed.  I hate when that happens
[01:09] <Hobbsee> s/scan/spam/
[01:10] <Hawkwind> I love it when apps release a new version 2 - 3 days in a row
[01:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:11] <Hobbsee> or when they release a new version less than 8 hours after you merge it.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hey hang on, that may well have been tellico
[01:11] <Hobbsee> or is that in my random/ folder?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[01:11] <Hawkwind> Tellico was actually 2 days apart IIRC
[01:12] <Hawkwind> 1.2.1 was today or yesterday, 1.2.0 was 2 days prior
[01:12] <Hawkwind> Though Robby emailed me stating that there was a bug that needed immediate fixing which is why the release so quick
[01:13] <Tonio_> I'm really sick of kde maintainers when I see how they consider bugs......
[01:13] <Tonio_> "this is probably distro specific issue -> rejected"........
[01:14] <Tonio_> how "some of them" "sometimes" consider bugs
[01:14] <goldenear> Tonio_: for what bug ?
[01:17] <Tonio_> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133080
[01:17] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133080 in general "Regression in 3.5.4: Auto scroll and paste with the middle button" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]  
[01:17] <Tonio_> this is really shit.......
[01:18] <Tonio_> the guy probably didn't even test, because it is very easy to reproduce, and there is a duplicate there : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650
[01:18] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New]  
[01:42] <Hobbsee> darn, i cant test my assignment for sanity as easily as i wanted to :(
[01:43] <kwwii> boah, what a load of meetings today
[01:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:43] <kwwii> somehow meetings takes on the feeling of shit
[01:44] <kwwii> :p
[01:44] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i dont mind them, if i'm chairing :P
[01:44] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[01:44] <Hobbsee> or if everyone wants to be there, and has a lot to say
[01:44] <Hobbsee> if i'm chairing, they get a lot quikcer :P
[01:44] <kwwii> I feel lucky when I am early on the list
[01:45] <sebas> Did I miss anything important?
[01:45] <kwwii> I don't mind telling people what is up, what I am doing and what I am going to do, but I hate waiting a few hours in irc, waiting for the blinking konversartion icon
[01:45] <kwwii> sebas: you mean the first meeting, the kubuntu one
[01:46] <sebas> Yes.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> shoot i'm late
[01:49] <kwwii> bang, bang, shoot!
[01:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:50] <Hobbsee>  * kwwii is now covered in purple blood
[01:50] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:50] <kwwii> at least it is a nice color
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  is there any point driving to uni and back for half an hour only?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> and it's just started raining.  yay
[01:53] <imbrandon> pr0n ?
[01:53] <imbrandon> heh j/k
[01:53] <Hobbsee> surely that wouldnt make him sleep :P
[01:53] <imbrandon> heh
[01:54] <imbrandon> hrm what are the components for sid ? main contrib non-free ?
[01:54] <imbrandon> isnt there one more ?
[01:55] <Riddell> nope
[01:55] <Riddell> just the three
[01:55] <imbrandon> okies
[01:55] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[01:55] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[01:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: use the new request sync script
[01:56] <Hobbsee> it even works with smtp servers, so you dont need a MTA for it
[01:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nah its for bugs actualy in the sid package
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:57] <imbrandon> someone filed a darn typo bug lol
[01:57] <imbrandon> figured i would close it , will be simple
[01:57] <imbrandon> since it is the one and only package i have in sid and only one bug ;)
[01:58] <imbrandon> and really its not tyop's at all it's more of changing "it's" to "it is" type thing
[01:59] <imbrandon> i guess for translations, would be my only guss, but still simple enough fix
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse 
[02:04] <jjesse> :)
[02:04] <jjesse> sorry i missed the mtg :(
[02:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i missed the first 45 mins :(  slept for 40, system wouldnt boot for the next 5
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: where's that crucial bugs page?
[02:05] <jjesse> bummer
[02:05] <jjesse> what if we ran the mtgs during your evening?
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will write it tomorrow
[02:06] <Tonio_> I'm on digikam for the moment
[02:06] <Hobbsee> jjesse: then it's during the UK lunchhour.  we tried it once
[02:06] <jjesse> ah
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: okay. i've just thought of some
[02:06] <ryanakca> imbrandon: did you get the link for the most recent upload? (not last night, but tonights?)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: note them, I'll had it tomorrow :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 22336 in acpi-support "laptop overheats when performing CPU intensive tasks." [High,Confirmed]  
[02:07] <Hobbsee> for one
[02:07] <Hobbsee> the whole issue of https://launchpad.net/bugs/52670
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[02:08] <jjesse> what are you guys/girls thoughts on kickoff start menu?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what is it?  i hear of it, but havent seen it
[02:08] <ryanakca> it looks sweet... haven't tried it yet
[02:08] <jjesse> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283
[02:08] <imbrandon> ryanakca, no i dident feel free to shoot it to me, i'll look right after i upload this to unstable ( ~15 minutes )
[02:08] <jjesse> i was curious to try it as well it looks like it will rock :)
[02:09] <ryanakca> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3050
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh that
[02:09] <imbrandon> jjesse, looks good, i've been trying to get it packaged proper, it compiles but ummm packaging is a diffrent story
[02:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html   I thought your the one who had told me about it...
[02:09] <imbrandon> ryanakca, okies
[02:10] <jjesse> that's a bummer cause i would love to test it :)
[02:10] <imbrandon> jjesse, i'll have a test but i doubt ( unless i get some help ) that it will be in edgy
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: imbrandon may have.  i dont tend to check out suse stuff
[02:10] <ryanakca> jjesse: well... just download the source, compile and checkinstall it
[02:10] <imbrandon> except for 3rd party repos
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: are you still watching -meeting?  they're were discussing ff stuff
[02:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea
[02:11] <freeflying> morning all
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <Hobbsee> oh, thanks
[02:12] <ryanakca> lol, its much much longer than the one I introduce myself in
[02:12] <Hobbsee> you reminded me about the stuff i urgently needed to merge
[02:12] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea i keep my own repos but its not a simple upgrade as they basicly just patched kicker and kdebase instead of making a new applet
[02:13] <ryanakca> heh
[02:13] <imbrandon> so its not a new kmenu in a sence its the old one patched to hell
[02:13] <imbrandon> kinda an either or type thing
[02:14] <ryanakca> that makes things a whole lot more complicated... it would've been simpler for them to write in seperatly instead of patching
[02:14] <imbrandon> one would think, but thats not what happened
[02:14] <imbrandon> heh
[02:14] <ryanakca> at least simpler for others
[02:14] <imbrandon> the kickoff svn is a full kdebase branch
[02:14] <ryanakca> oh gosh
[02:14] <imbrandon> exactly
[02:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:15] <ryanakca> sure, it's interesting, but I don't think it would be worth the hassle
[02:15] <ryanakca> If it was on a demo linux computer, sure... but other than that... never
[02:15] <imbrandon> thats kinda my thinking, thus i dont spend much time on it, just poke it now and then
[02:15] <ryanakca> same for XGL/compiz
[02:16] <imbrandon> well xgl/compiz works much better in edgy
[02:16] <imbrandon> becouse you dont need the third party crap
[02:16] <jjesse> it looks a little much like the start menu in xp/vista
[02:16] <ryanakca> Sure I could go out, spend 200$ on more ram and a better video card... but I don't feel like it
[02:16] <imbrandon> jjesse, and thats bad? the kmenu looks like a 1995 start menu too ;)
[02:16] <ryanakca> lol
[02:17] <imbrandon> jjesse, think about how many useabilty experts are behind the suse and windows projects ;)
[02:17] <jjesse>  imbrandon: i run xp in "classic" mode
[02:17] <imbrandon> i dont run XP at all ;)
[02:17] <jjesse> how would you pronouce that?
[02:17] <ryanakca> imbrandon: someone on planet kde wrote a thesis on menu useability I think
[02:18] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea celest
[02:18] <imbrandon> celeste
[02:18] <ryanakca> I only use my mom's XP for iTunes
[02:18] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ouch , i use OSX and wine for that ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> the true iTunes ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> and amarok comes a close 2nd to iTunes ;)
[02:19] <ryanakca> I don't have a mac that will run OSX... but my teachers giving me a performa
[02:19] <imbrandon> heh
[02:19] <imbrandon> that will run linux
[02:19] <ryanakca> imbrandon: amarok is nothing close to iTunes for ipod support
[02:20] <imbrandon> ryanakca, sure it is, if you set it up right, you have to fiddle with the config for the auto mounting and unmounting
[02:20] <imbrandon> but it is
[02:20] <jjesse> works fine for me
[02:20] <ryanakca> imbrandon: just as it will run Mac OS9  (well, their os #9)
[02:20] <imbrandon> the only os9 ( coca ) app i have is SimCity 2000
[02:20] <ryanakca> meh.. iTunes it just works... when I get around to learning C++ I'll help out with amarok and iPod
[02:21] <imbrandon> heh
[02:21] <imbrandon> also if you install ipodslave it "just works" too ;)
[02:21] <imbrandon> but the main inclusion report for that isnt approved yet
[02:22] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ever see my ipod running kubuntuized linux ?
[02:22] <ryanakca> if I had just a no-name brand mp3 player, it would be different, but figuring out how to stick on album images... oh, and an annoying thing. Stick something on ipod with amarok, and you can't read what iTunes put on it beforehand.. it's still there... just can't access them
[02:23] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I've read about running linux on iPods... but last time I checked it didn't run on a nano...  got a link to the picture?
[02:23] <imbrandon> sure you can, use 1.4.3 thats all fixed
[02:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: that sounds like what kwwii had
[02:23] <imbrandon> runs on my nano 4gig just fine
[02:23] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg
[02:24] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ^^
[02:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: what, the iTunes + Amarok   songs on ipod problem?
[02:24] <kwwii> yepp
[02:24] <kwwii> apparently it depends on how you put them onto your ipod or such
[02:24] <imbrandon> yea thats fixed in 1.4.3 ( according to the changelog )
[02:25] <ryanakca> imbrandon: nice... I might switch to it... but then you can't use ipodlinux + iTunes i presume?
[02:25] <kwwii> I gave up worrying about it
[02:25] <imbrandon> ryanakca, sure you can , you can even still run the apple firmware too ( dual boot )
[02:25] <ryanakca> kwwii: yeah. except your stuck with one or the other.. amarok or iTunes
[02:25] <kwwii> ryanakca: yepp, apparently so
[02:25] <ryanakca> on a 2GB... how big is the image?
[02:25] <imbrandon> 32mb
[02:26] <imbrandon> ipodlinux only makes a 32mb partition for the kernel and init scripts, the rest is run off the normal partition
[02:26] <ryanakca> hmm... that's 4-6 songs worth... half a cd.. I can live with that... how big is the apple image?
[02:26] <imbrandon> thats including the apple image
[02:27] <imbrandon> it only takes 32mb extra space to do the linux on the ipod
[02:27] <ryanakca> 32mb = linux, and then add the apple... how many mb is the apple image... 40-50mb?
[02:28] <ryanakca> or is 32mb including apple image?
[02:28] <imbrandon> 32mb == the OS altogather , apple + linux
[02:28] <imbrandon> the rest is all music/pictures/games etc what ever you put on it
[02:29] <ryanakca> ah, got a link to the OS? like your modified one (and yes, I know we're offtopic, but the channel isn't being used... :P ), or do you have an option to set up the boot image (I think thats what that was)?
[02:29] <imbrandon> plus you can play videos on the nano with linux ;)
[02:29] <ryanakca> oh sweet... too bad the screen is so small though
[02:30] <imbrandon> i can play doom / halflife / 007 too ;)
[02:30] <imbrandon> kwwii, yea i fit a few k songs and videos and games no problem on my 4gig
[02:31] <imbrandon> ipodlinux.org ryanakca
[02:31] <ryanakca> It's not that you'll listen to all of it every day, it's just that it's there when you want it, where you want it.
[02:31] <kwwii> and rockbox, or whatever it is called?
[02:32] <kwwii> how is it
[02:32] <kwwii> ?
[02:32] <imbrandon> rockbox is ok, just lacks features
[02:32] <ryanakca> rockbox?
[02:32] <imbrandon> rockbox == alterntive appleos , not based on linux but opensource
[02:32] <Tonio_> ryanakca: opensource firmware for MP3 jukebox
[02:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope, not only apple
[02:33] <imbrandon> Tonio_, true , many mp3 players
[02:33] <Tonio_> rockbox is originally designed for archos players, but has been ported to many more, including shity ipod
[02:33] <imbrandon> actualy you /can/ tripple boot ;)
[02:33] <imbrandon> Tonio_, shitty ? heh i love mine
[02:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: if you live proprietary formats and drms, have fun :)
[02:34] <kwwii> sooo.../me watches a film now, and the sleep
[02:34] <ryanakca> lol, kk
[02:34] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:34] <imbrandon> Tonio_, thats iTunes, you dont HAVE to use the propitary formats
[02:34] <imbrandon> has noting to do with the ipod , it just plays them
[02:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: which open format can you use ?
[02:35] <Tonio_> ogg, mpc, flac ?
[02:35] <Tonio_> no one
[02:35] <imbrandon> Tonio_, mpg ogg flac
[02:35] <Tonio_> ogg is nativelly supported ?
[02:35] <imbrandon> with linux on it , dunno about apple os, but i know you dont have to use the drm 
[02:35] <imbrandon> in the apple os
[02:36] <imbrandon> only f you use itunes to buy the music
[02:36] <Tonio_> not any free format is supported with apple firmware
[02:36] <imbrandon> ... 
[02:37] <kwwii> Tonio_: shitting on the ipod is a much prettier idea in french than in any oher language
[02:37] <kwwii> my itunes does ogg
[02:37] <Tonio_> of course you can use mp3's without drms :)
[02:38] <imbrandon> and aac is open afaik
[02:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: in french : "je chie sur l'ipod !!!"
[02:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: point, indeed :)
[02:38] <kwwii> Tonio_: exactly :-)
[02:39] <imbrandon> just not aac+drm but as i said thats an itunes thing not ipod, the ipod will play aac ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> aac is opened except when apple adds it's ****sensored***** drms on them :)
[02:39] <imbrandon> hehe yea iTunes ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> I really dislike apple in fact :)
[02:40] <Tonio_> the only company that is worse than m in my view :)
[02:40] <Tonio_> whenever they do good products
[02:40] <imbrandon> heh i realy like apple, and the fact that most everythgin "just works" and its still a *nix OS
[02:40] <imbrandon> but thats where we differ ;)
[02:40] <kwwii> imbrandon: no doubt
[02:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they take everything they can in OSS and provide only proprietary stuff....
[02:41] <Tonio_> that's not ethical
[02:41] <Tonio_> microsoft doesn't like OSS, but they don't make usage of them, which sounds more logic in my view
[02:41] <imbrandon> sure it is , i dont see a major problem with it
[02:41] <Tonio_> and honnestly, apple with monopolistic market share would be 10 times worse than microsoft
[02:42] <imbrandon> but thats why i hate RMS as much as Bill Gates
[02:42] <imbrandon> but thats another story altogther
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe :)
[02:42] <imbrandon> RMS is the bane of Open Source
[02:42] <Tonio_> I'm not a fan of rms too, but I really think he is more respectable than bill
[02:42] <LaserJock> I'm sort of an apple fan too
[02:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_, not really he is just as black/white , no middle
[02:43] <LaserJock> I can get lots of opensource software for it
[02:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, becouse apple does give back alot ot opensource
[02:43] <Tonio_> can you imagin apple is attacking people that only criticize them on apple's related boards ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> this brand sucks, really
[02:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they give a lot ? I remember kde guys had to cry to get usable stuff from safari
[02:44] <LaserJock> heh, Apple has got a long way to go for sure, but I think they are a lot better than MS, but that's just my opinion
[02:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock, exactly
[02:44] <imbrandon> there has to be a middle
[02:44] <imbrandon> you dont have to be 100000% open source not to be un-evil
[02:44] <Tonio_> LaserJock: in my view MS is wrong on its opinion related to opensource softwares, but they are not hypocrits
[02:44] <LaserJock> I run OS X close to 12hrs a day
[02:45] <kwwii> you guys type too fast
[02:45] <LaserJock> there are things I don't like about it, but there is a lot I do
[02:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: use speech to text software :)
[02:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_, they give back to what they use ( darwin ) they developed their own gui, i dont see that as hipocrytical
[02:45] <LaserJock> I think it's the TB grillings
[02:45] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: liking OSS and provide only proprietary stuff, protocols, formats is a nonsense, sorry
[02:46] <LaserJock> not *only*
[02:46] <Tonio_> did apple create only ONE opensource standard, like adobe did with pdf ?
[02:46] <imbrandon> and ms isnt hipocrytical ? i seem to rember not to long ago when the zlib explot hit FOSS ms had alot of zlib patches too for stuff like office etc where they used the BSD code, and dont even get me started on the tcp/ip stack
[02:47] <Tonio_> apple wants apple users to use apple stuff, apple protocols, apple formats etc.......
[02:47] <Tonio_> the same way ms does
[02:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_, wants and forces are diffrent
[02:47] <Tonio_> they don't promote standards at all
[02:47] <imbrandon> they promote aac ;)
[02:47] <imbrandon> they promote gnu tools in darwin
[02:47] <Tonio_> I don't mind closed sources as long as the applications are respecting the standards, like opera for example
[02:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they promote aac + drms, which is completly different
[02:48] <imbrandon> you see your flaw in MS thoughts though? MS does use OSS , they just use the BSD code so they dont HAVE to give back where apple dosent
[02:48] <Tonio_> they are changing ipod firmware so that any compatible music selling plateform become uncompatible
[02:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_, not really ipod will play aac too without drm ;)
[02:48] <Tonio_> is that different from what ms does ?
[02:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they will, but apple doesn't sell any of those files, so I don't see where is the promotion
[02:49] <imbrandon> becouse it dosent FORCE you to use the drm
[02:49] <imbrandon> liek i said wanting and forcing is diffrent
[02:49] <imbrandon> where as MS forces you to use wma on its device
[02:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they don't FORCE because they don't have the market share to do it
[02:50] <Tonio_> with the same market share than ms has, they would force, no doubt on this
[02:50] <LaserJock> I'll just put it this way, I run both OS X and Windows XP on a daily basis, in Windows I feel trapped in closed source software but on OS X I fell much more free to use open source software
[02:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wrong, you can also do mp3 if you want
[02:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_, apple has 80% of the market share in music devices, that was evident when they forced the RIAA to let them sell at 99c still
[02:50] <Tonio_> just that it is not the default :)
[02:51] <Tonio_> but the difference between wanting and forcing is very very little in those cases
[02:51] <imbrandon> Tonio_, but enough to not be evil
[02:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:51] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, 80 and 96% are stigltly different :)
[02:51] <Tonio_> 80% is a lot, while 95% is a monopole
[02:52] <LaserJock> anyway, Ubuntu rocks, regardless! ;-)
[02:52] <imbrandon> 100% isnt a monoply if they allow competition
[02:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:52] <imbrandon> yea ubuntu rocks ;)
[02:53] <imbrandon> ok dinner time bbiab
[02:53] <imbrandon> [19:45]  <kwwii> you guys type too fast << hahahah i just saw that
[02:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe ;)
[02:54] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ;)
[02:54] <imbrandon> ok food brb
[02:54] <LaserJock> imbrandon: because you were typing too fast
[02:54] <kwwii> imbrandon: type to fast, and read too slow
[02:54] <kwwii> kids
[02:55] <LaserJock> bah, you aren't that old kwwii 
[02:55] <kwwii> ;-)9
[03:01] <imbrandon> heh
[03:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, wasent you that are younger than me ( but smarter hehe )
[03:01] <imbrandon> wasent it*
[03:02] <LaserJock> could be, I doubt the smarter part
[03:02] <kwwii> hehe, I am just german in the meantime
[03:02] <LaserJock> man, you are old :-)
[03:02] <imbrandon> ugh , dreading 30 soon-ish
[03:02] <kwwii> 35
[03:03] <LaserJock> 35 isn't bad at all
[03:03] <imbrandon> hahahaha LaserJock
[03:03] <imbrandon> i'm odl at 28 but 35 is ok ? hehehe
[03:03] <LaserJock> I'm 24 but I feel much older
[03:03] <imbrandon> old*
[03:03] <LaserJock> nah
[03:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock, well your working on your PHd, i'm good to have a few credits ;)
[03:04] <imbrandon> so smarter ;)
[03:04] <LaserJock> just because I've been in college for 9 years doesn't mean I'm smarter
[03:04] <LaserJock> in fact it might mean just the opposite
[03:04] <imbrandon> hahah not really , well not ot me
[03:05] <LaserJock> surely one of these years I'm going to graduate ;-)
[03:05] <imbrandon> heh
[03:06] <imbrandon> i would LOVE to be in school full time , if i could find a way to make money and do that i would
[03:06] <LaserJock> that's what I do
[03:06] <LaserJock> grad school in chemistry  is pretty sweet that way
[03:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:06] <LaserJock> my advisor pays tuition, insurance, and I get ~ 20k a year
[03:07] <imbrandon> wow , cool
[03:07] <LaserJock> well, it's a big job, they can't get people to do it otherwise
[03:07] <imbrandon> heh sign me up, little bit of a late start but , lol j/k
[03:07] <LaserJock> if I had to pay for school and be out of a job for 9 years there would be no way I could do  it
[03:08] <imbrandon> very true
[03:08] <LaserJock> we've got at least a couple grad students in their 40s
[03:08] <imbrandon> wow
[03:08] <imbrandon> yea i would be pushing 40 if i started now
[03:08] <imbrandon> heh
[03:08] <LaserJock> I think the average age is close to 30 for graduate students
[03:09] <imbrandon> that would really be the perfect thing though, find someone to pay me to get a phd in comp sci or something nice like that
[03:09] <imbrandon> i dunno about chemist though, i would be too tempted to make lsd ;) 
[03:10] <nixternal> you and cutiecoder are made for each other
[03:10] <imbrandon> nixternal, blasphmey
[03:10] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:10] <imbrandon> never speak those words again
[03:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:10] <nixternal> i wouldn't share anyways
[03:10] <imbrandon> good ;) hehe
[03:10] <nixternal> you know..this is just a tad bit OT and not nice...
[03:10] <LaserJock> bah, lsd is for undergrads ;-)
[03:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[03:11] <nixternal> all you old fogies
[03:11] <imbrandon> mdma ? or what ever the abriv is for it
[03:11] <nixternal> lsd was so 20 years ago
[03:11] <imbrandon> i did some good lsd about 8 or 9 years ago ;)
[03:11] <imbrandon> shhhh
[03:12] <LaserJock> no, I don't think many chemists would do too many drugs, we know how it's made :-)
[03:12] <nixternal> ya, i won't tell anyone (who doesn't read this log)
[03:12] <imbrandon> heh i dont even know what mdma is exactly, but i know that and cacaine are the main ingred to extacy
[03:13] <LaserJock> I made benzocaine in organic lab
[03:13] <imbrandon> haha that stuff rocks
[03:13] <LaserJock> all those *caines are related, mostly anesthetics
[03:13] <imbrandon> i used to eat it like candy when i had a tooth pulled
[03:13] <imbrandon> yea
[03:14] <LaserJock> I made aspirin too
[03:14] <LaserJock> and the stuff that makes a firefly glow
[03:14] <imbrandon> benzocaine is the main active ingred in ambisil and umm 
[03:14] <LaserJock> I think that's the one that uses the main ingredient in teargas
[03:15] <LaserJock> the firefly stuff that is
[03:15] <imbrandon> the stuff that makes a firefly glow ?
[03:15] <imbrandon> wow
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:15] <LaserJock> nasty
[03:15] <LaserJock> it's too bad that sometimes the cool chemistry involves nasty stuff
[03:15] <LaserJock> I'll be working with some nerve gas stuff pretty soon
[03:15] <LaserJock> gotta be careful
[03:16] <imbrandon> heh
[03:16] <imbrandon> yea that would suck
[03:16] <imbrandon> hrm /me wonders what other phd stuff pays now
[03:16] <imbrandon> lol
[03:16] <LaserJock> anyway, I'm more of a physicist than chemist really
[03:16] <imbrandon> heh stars and stuff ?
[03:17] <imbrandon> or earth phy
[03:17] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no, atoms and molecules
[03:17] <LaserJock> quantum physics
[03:17] <imbrandon> cool
[03:17] <LaserJock> and lasers, obviously
[03:17] <imbrandon> ahhh nice
[03:17] <imbrandon> heh
[03:19] <LaserJock> anyway, that was waaaay OT
[03:20] <imbrandon> true
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mmmm...lasers...
[03:20] <imbrandon> we need a dev-offtopic chan ;)
[03:20] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: mhm, gotta love the lasers ;-)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nah....
[03:21] <imbrandon> wasent there a big deal here semi-reciently about blue/green laszers in 
[03:21] <imbrandon> consumer pointers
[03:21] <imbrandon> or soemthing
[03:22] <imbrandon> pointing at planes or something becouse they could go farther
[03:22] <LaserJock> nifty, I like blue lasers. They are sorta hard to come by (like down into the UV blue)
[03:22] <ryanakca> imbrandon: qcomicbook comments on REVU? I'm going to bed...
[03:23] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ahh yea i got side tracked and forgot, i'll look now
[03:23] <Hobbsee> it's not the 8th in all timezones yet :P
[03:23] <ryanakca> imbrandon: lol, thanks, see you tommorow night :)
[03:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: oh, you should come to my lab, I've got IR, red, green, and UV strobing at 10Hz
[03:23] <imbrandon> see ya
[03:23] <imbrandon> LaserJock, haha cool
[03:23] <LaserJock> I put on some Creedence Clearwater Revival and have fun
[03:23] <imbrandon> heh 
[03:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: nice :D
[03:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: heck yeah
[03:25] <LaserJock> but on the flip side, I'm *actually* working on a 1hr presentation I just found out I'm supposed to give at group meeting tomorrow
[03:26] <LaserJock> boooring
[03:26] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:26] <imbrandon> heh
[03:26] <LaserJock> and my trig was somewhat failing me
[03:26] <LaserJock> thank goodness for wikipedia
[03:26] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:31] <imbrandon> gah phone brb
[03:32] <LaserJock> \o/ kubuntu-desktop installed
[03:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock, just curious, how does the other half put up with your FL/OSS stuff? hehe 
[03:34] <LaserJock> not very well, tbh
[03:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: grabbed the newest requestsync script on your machine
[03:34] <imbrandon> mine thinks we should start a "wives" club LOL
[03:34] <Hobbsee> oh darn, i cant use it there
[03:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[03:34] <Hobbsee> what dothey say?
[03:34] <LaserJock> mine says, "you need to divorce you computer"
[03:34] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[03:34] <imbrandon> classic
[03:34] <LaserJock> I think that has an implied, "or else" in there
[03:34] <imbrandon> LOL how true
[03:35] <LaserJock> I really need to cut back
[03:35] <LaserJock> Ubuntu work is addictive, fun, and productive, but I really have to have other priorities
[03:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, heh , if you cant use it here ( and i wont ) no need for it
[03:37] <LaserJock> I need to get very careful about what projects I sign up for
[03:55] <Hobbsee> !info libksba edgy
[03:55] <ubotu> Package libksba does not exist in edgy
[03:55] <Hobbsee> !info libksba-dev edgy
[03:55] <ubotu> libksba-dev: X.509 and CMS support library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.15-1 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 380 kB
[03:56] <Hobbsee> !info libksba
[03:56] <ubotu> Package libksba does not exist in any distro I know
[03:56] <Hobbsee> what do you *mean* it doesnt exist?
[03:57] <crimsun> it doesn't
[03:57] <crimsun> ubotu searches for binary packages, not source packages, by default
[03:57] <Hobbsee> crimsun: then why do the corresponding binaires?
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about searches for binary packages, not source packages, by default - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <Hobbsee> why cant my apt-cache search find it either?
[03:58] <crimsun> which CC.mirror are you using?
[03:58] <crimsun> it's definitely available here:
[03:58] <crimsun> $ apt-cache search ksba
[03:58] <crimsun> libksba-dev - X.509 and CMS support library
[03:58] <crimsun> libksba8 - X.509 and CMS support library
[03:58] <crimsun> (I'm using archive.uc)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: gb/au
[03:59] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i thought the source would also show with apt-cache show.  hmm.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> at least apt-cache search
[03:59] <crimsun> no, only binary packages
[04:00] <crimsun> FWIW, the description in apt-cache(8) could use a bit of clarification
[04:01] <crimsun> it's not immediately obvious that source packages aren't culled with 'search'
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:19] <Hawkwind> Are there plans of replacing arts in KDE4 ?
[04:19] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, arts isnt in kde4 correct
[04:20] <Hawkwind> What replaced it ?
[04:20] <imbrandon> solid i /think/ , its all kinda fuzzy to me still but i konw for sure no arts
[04:21] <imbrandon> crimsun, are you a DD by chance ? heh
[04:21] <crimsun> no.
[04:21] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[04:21] <imbrandon> know any that are alive / awake atm ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if i told you who around here they were, i'd have to shoot you
[04:24] <imbrandon> haha
[04:25] <imbrandon> its ok, i poked debian-mentors , someone is bound to answer, i just hate to email my sponsor as it takes him days to upload 
[04:25] <imbrandon> should be trivial its just a manpage fix to a package i'm the maintainer of ( not even a nmu upload hehe )
[04:34] <crimsun> I'd be happy to do one, but I can't.
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam splitted and uploaded, will write main inclusion report tomorrow :)
[04:36] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ 
[04:36] <imbrandon> crimsun, hehe thanks, yea its like pulling teeth to get an upload if your not a DD ;)
[04:36] <crimsun> the ones I've checked in ubuntu-* are idle
[04:37] <imbrandon> yea seems everyone on oftc in -devel and -mentors is too
[04:37] <Tonio_> yo robotgeek
[04:37] <imbrandon> btw hiya robotgeek dident see ya sneek in
[04:38] <robotgeek> hey imbrandon
[04:38] <robotgeek> does anyone know where i can find vmware images for kubuntu knot (if available :)
[04:39] <imbrandon> i dont think there is a knot one avaible , last i heard in the TB they wasent gonna make anymore "official" ones becouse it was a manual process
[04:39] <imbrandon> unless they found a way to auomate it
[04:40] <robotgeek> okay, let me google for installing kubuntu in a vmware partition or so
[04:40] <imbrandon> robotgeek, should be pretty streight forward, i can help you do it if you have questions
[04:40] <imbrandon> but i dont know of any pre-made images
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: split, surely.  not splitted :P
[04:41] <imbrandon> heh
[04:41] <robotgeek> imbrandon: plannning to do the install at work, and verify the desktop guide. its too tough working on my laptop
[04:42] <imbrandon> heh ok, vmwareplayer or server ?
[04:42] <imbrandon> i can give ya a quick rundown, its semi-simple
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sorry but it is very late and I must say I don't understand the joke, if any ;)
[04:42] <Tonio_> near 5 am in france :)
[04:43] <robotgeek> imbrandon: the free one :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, it was abad play on words for a non-native english speaker ;)
[04:43] <imbrandon> robotgeek, they are both free
[04:43] <imbrandon> ( as in beer no speech )
[04:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you'll explain it to me tomorrow, but the the moment, /me beds :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> but mostlikely you mean the player as thats the one in the repo's
[04:44] <robotgeek> imbrandon: oh, the machine at work is windows. *ducks*
[04:44] <imbrandon> anyhow robotgeek just head to easyvmx.com and create the blank "image" from their web interface and then after that its just like a normal install
[04:44] <imbrandon> robotgeek, they both also work in windows ;)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, fair enough.  splitted isnt a word - the word you wanted was split.  i've heard people at work use it incorrectly too, which is why it annoys me
[04:45] <Hobbsee> "please dont loose this bottle"
[04:45] <imbrandon> heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> written in brigth blue marker!
[04:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah it is an irregular verb ;)
[04:45] <Tonio_> I'll remember this
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes.  like the rest of english, it seems :P
[04:46] <robotgeek> imbrandon: thanks, i'll download tommorow 
[04:46] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> s/this/that/
  :P
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night Tonio_ :)
[04:46] <imbrandon> c ya
[04:49] <robotgeek> hmm,i might also download a kubuntu dapper and updgrade to edgy?
[04:50] <crimsun> dunno how you'd save the updated image, but I've never played with vmware-player
[04:50] <robotgeek> crimsun: i would be updating the image itself, so saving is not an issue
[04:50] <robotgeek> unless the upgrade fails or so
[04:50] <imbrandon> yea it should write right to the hdd
[04:50] <imbrandon> no save needed
[04:55] <robotgeek> cool, i guess i will try tommorow. more on that later :)
[04:55] <robotgeek> imbrandon: did you ever manage to build amarok for OS X?
[04:56] <imbrandon> robotgeek, nah its not possible atm ( without fink )
[04:56] <imbrandon> its not ported to qt4 totaly
[04:56] <robotgeek> imbrandon: oh okay. i'm just tired of itunes, the minor amount of time i am in Os x
[04:57] <imbrandon> heh well you can use 1.4.3 under fink
[04:57] <imbrandon> that does work
[04:58] <imbrandon> and work on the 2.0 branch has started afaik so it wont be long
[04:58] <robotgeek> btw, got ubuntu server running trac + subversion for dev people at work
[04:58] <imbrandon> but just how long is "not long" i have no idea
[04:58] <imbrandon> nice
[04:59] <robotgeek> they seem to be pretty happy, except that we deal quite a bit in binary files
[05:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: do i want to merge sane-backends?
[05:00] <imbrandon> heh upto you heh
[05:01] <crimsun> you're core-dev now, Hobbsee?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no
[05:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: of course not
[05:02] <crimsun> and if it's simple enough, sure, go for it
[05:02] <crimsun> sorry, I thought you had gotten it at TB or something
[05:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, nope
[05:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: wont be trying that again for a while
[05:02] <crimsun> (it wouldn't be unreasonable to try post-Edgy)
[05:03] <robotgeek> hmm, what's going to be new in edgy, powermanagement wise?
[05:03] <crimsun> "stuff works better"
[05:03] <robotgeek> okay, but no change in packages as such
[05:03] <Hobbsee> guidance-power-manager is new
[05:04] <robotgeek> hmm, i guess i should just wait till tommorow :)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, maybe.  will look at it when i come home, i expect
[05:09] <Hobbsee> this error is annoying me
[05:12] <nixternal> Hobbsee: amarok 1.4.3...sharing the music right..i goto synchronize and transfer...when i right click and transfer, amarok just crashes
[05:12] <nixternal> happens on all my machines
[05:12] <Hobbsee> nixternal: blame imbrandon 
[05:12] <nixternal> hehe
[05:12] <nixternal> i tried before..he pawned it off on you ;)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:12] <Hobbsee> wasnt me
[05:12] <Hobbsee> he's doing the packages now
[05:12] <robotgeek> btw, are we shipping knetworkmanager by default?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i dont think so
[05:14] <robotgeek> ok, thanks
[05:15] <Hobbsee> not stable enough
[05:17] <robotgeek> hmm, worksgreatforme :)
[08:15] <lnxkde> bah
[08:16] <lnxkde> *^$#&$%* I dont try to help someone to update kubuntu again, people like free help and support and then they talk Cr** saying that linux is too dificult, that is why people prefer windows, I started to love windows more since I have been using linux,.
[09:13] <Jucato> imbrandon: would you happen to know why the "GTK Style and Fonts" and "Wallet" modules were removed from System Settings in Edgy?
[09:14] <imbrandon> nope
[09:15] <Jucato> ok thanks! :)
[09:17] <Jucato> imbrandon: thanks again for the icons! I'm loving them :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> hello all
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[11:08] <allee> moin
[11:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee!
[11:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[11:10] <Jucato> I'm still trying to recover from the change in "timezones" :)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:11] <Jucato> now I have to be somewhere.... :)
[11:11] <Jucato> bye! :)
[11:14] <Hobbsee> bye!
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: I never knew showfoto was part of digikam
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ;)
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: got the new package ? everything is now split
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did the digikam main inclusion review a while ago, but there some other dependencies it needs
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just writing the maininclusionreport
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it already written ?
[11:18] <Riddell> yes
[11:18] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportDigikam
[11:19] <Riddell> but there other packages it needs as I say
[11:19] <Tonio_> ah yes it is
[11:19] <Riddell> sorry, should have said before
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's look at the deps
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: Filename: pool/universe/libk/libkexif/libkexif1_0.2.3-2_i386.deb Filename: pool/universe/d/dcraw/dcraw_8.36-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:23] <Tonio_> here are the 2 dependancies that are in universe
[11:23] <Tonio_> what is the process to get in main in the same time than digikam ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> writting 2 other main inclusion reports ? :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm writting the 2 other main inclusion reports
[11:32] <Riddell> thanks, just use the same Template
[11:33] <Tonio_> sure
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133080
[11:33] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133080 in general "Regression in 3.5.4: Auto scroll and paste with the middle button" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]  
[11:33] <Tonio_> hehe, it is resolved, so I'll ask for a little debdiff and we can rediscuss this ;)
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportDcraw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibkexif
[12:14] <Tonio_> here they are
[12:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: say if libkexif meets the Debian library packaging guide standards.
[12:17] <Riddell> add to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue, and it's done
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: added and that's it :)
[12:40] <Riddell> rocking, thanks Tonio_ 
[12:40] <Tonio_> hu ????????
[12:40] <Tonio_> I'm unable to shutdown or reboot my computer
[12:40] <Tonio_> "disconnect" in kmenu doesn't produce anything......... can someone confirm ?
[12:40] <Jucato> Logout doesn't do anything here, too
[12:41] <Riddell> sounds like upstart
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: known issue ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: possibly yes
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: use sudo /sbin/poweroff
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed kdeprint doesn't work here too... impossible to add a usb printer
[12:42] <Tonio_> works with gnome-cups-manager
[12:42] <Riddell> bah
[12:42] <Tonio_> another 2 bugs for the wikipage :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, logout doesnt do anything here as well
[12:42] <Hobbsee> lets whine at keybuk about it.
[12:42] <Jucato> heh
[12:43] <Tonio_> can anyone test kdeprint please ? I wouldn't like to add local problem to the wikipage :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> no pb here with a network printer, just that the lpt/usb radio is unclickable
[12:44] <Tonio_> yop goldenear
[12:44] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[12:44] <Tonio_> goldenear: any news concerning oskar developpment ?
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: confirmed ?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> if i scan on the wrong subnet, no wonder i dont find the printer.
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you have a local usb printer ?
[12:44] <goldenear> hi
[12:44] <Hobbsee> no
[12:45] <Tonio_> ah.......
[12:45] <Tonio_> anybody else ?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i had a local parallel port printer :P
[12:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: problem should be the same for lpt printers too
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah yeah, confirming that.  that was in dapper too
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: unable to click "local printer (usb, serial, lpt)", that's it no ?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's it, yep
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: writting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyTopBugs
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: okay.  says it's not created yet
[12:51] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[12:51] <Hobbsee> is there too
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ho, okay :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> let's use this one
[12:54] <goldenear> Tonio_: two things about Oskar: 1) Oskar for KDE 3.5 is now in the hands of Koos... Indeed, Oskar for 3.5 uses the code of the actual kmplayer and Koos is the only personne that really understand its code.
[12:55] <goldenear> The code is not very flexible and the mix of the new ui and the kmplayer is not very easy because of that.
[12:55] <Tonio_> goldenear: hum.... not nice to ear ;)
[12:55] <goldenear> 2) We are about, with Mr Freeze (and Koos I hope) to start working on Oskar for KDE 4
[12:56] <goldenear> the actual UI code is very easy to port to KDE 4 and the engine code almost need to be rewrite from scratch for KDE 4 (use of dbus, phonon, etc...)
[12:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you confirm please ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/59502
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59502 in kdebase "Impossible to install new printer with kdeprint (edgy)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[12:59] <goldenear> To sum up, Oskar for KDE 3.5 will exist is Koos want it (or if any one want to dive and spend time into the code of kmplayer).
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you cant confirm yourself?
[01:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well the point is that confirmation requires 2 personns :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> "I report and autoconfirm my issue" sounds strange to me ;)
[01:00] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i would have just said "i've confirmed with tonio_ on irc that this occurs"
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, if mdz sees that, he yells :P
[01:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: exactly ;)
[01:02] <goldenear> Tonio_: From our side (Mr Freeze and I) we prefer to spend time and energy to work on Oskar for KDE 4 than to try to understand how to "fix" kmplayer.
[01:02] <Tonio_> goldenear: that makes sense, indeed
[01:03] <goldenear> and KDE 4 is not vapourware anymore :)
[01:03] <goldenear> even if it may not be ready for edgy +1
[01:04] <Tonio_> goldenear: hehe
[01:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: any bugs to add to the list ?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: havent looked sorry
[01:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do you have tty1? I only have tty2-tty6
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i do now, i dotn think i did before
[01:16] <Hobbsee> got the latest upstart/usplash?
[01:16] <Jucato> ah. maybe with the updates a while ago
[01:17] <Jucato> I'll try to restart later
[01:17] <Jucato> sudo /usr/sbin/reboot ?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: reboot -f works
[01:18] <Jucato> ah thanks
[01:18] <Tonio_> haha ;)
[01:18] <Tonio_> I've been prompted that I am low on battery power, 99% charged ;)
[01:19] <Tonio_> sebas: I finally saw the prompt dialog, but it looks like there is a little problem with it :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, me too
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the ones that amuse me more is when it thinks the battery has been taken out.
[01:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I've also been prompted that the battery had been removed when charge was 100%
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, yep
[01:23] <Hobbsee> that's what i get too
[01:23] <Tonio_> well that's not critical, but we should see that with sebas too :)
[01:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems feel free to add your bugs there ;)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: will do. 
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: currently i'm *dealing* with the bugs for a team that i'm the owner of
[01:28] <Hobbsee> where at least 2 of them ftbfs - and we're requesting syncs for them.
[01:28] <Tonio_> ubuntu wiki is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[01:31] <Hobbsee> gah.  one that's depending on a package that ftbfs in itself.  how carefully were these checked???
[01:32] <WindowsUninstall> Hi all
[01:33] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:33] <WindowsUninstall> I've a question about free CDs ship. how many time take special request? I need CDs for the 28th of october
[01:35] <gnomefreak> depends on where you are in the world depends how many you order depends on mail service. normally orders take about 6 weeks. ive seen them take as long as 2 1/2 months
[01:36] <WindowsUninstall> gnomefreak, Oooh
[01:36] <WindowsUninstall> gnomefreak, Where do you live?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> WindowsUninstall: US
[01:36] <Riddell> WindowsUninstall: what's it for?
[01:37] <WindowsUninstall> Riddell, For the italian linux day
[01:37] <gnomefreak> WindowsUninstall: order them as soon as possible and in your request state why you need them and for when
[01:41] <Riddell> WindowsUninstall: make a shipit order and let me know if you don't get them by the 22nd
[01:42] <WindowsUninstall> Riddell, OK
[02:02] <kwwii> hi all
[02:02] <kwwii> after last nights update, my computer no longer boot :-)
[02:03] <kwwii> s/boot/boots
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[02:03] <Hobbsee> kwwii: well, clearly it does, else you wouldnt be here.  *g*
[02:03] <kwwii> moin Hobbsee 
[02:03] <WindowsUninstall> Riddell, Will I Recive an email or a message when my order is aproved?
[02:03] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I am running OSX :p
[02:05] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahhh...
[02:05] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:11] <kwwii> :-)
[02:11] <kwwii> actually, I have more kde4 built on osx than on linux :-)
[02:11] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, lol
[02:11] <imbrandon> lol
[02:11] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, Are you a KDE developer?
[02:11] <kwwii> WindowsUninstall: I am KDE Ken :-)
[02:11] <kwwii> :p
[02:11] <Riddell> WindowsUninstall: you can check back on the shipit site
[02:11] <kwwii> an artist, not really a developer any more
[02:11] <WindowsUninstall> Riddell, OK
[02:11] <Hobbsee> did i miss something here?  or did making a spec mean that you actually have to do something about it, if you want it implemented?
[02:11] <imbrandon> kwwii, whats your machine doing ? 
[02:11] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, I develop for KDE when I have the time :)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ie, doesnt a spec say "I'm going to do this, for this point in time?"
[02:11] <imbrandon> WindowsUninstall, most of us in here are kde hackers in some way shape or form ;)
[02:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea , why ? hehe
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: some idiot has just posted to ubuntu-devel about creatign a spec, asking someone else to implement it!
[02:11] <WindowsUninstall> :)
[02:11] <imbrandon> i can see asking for HELP, but not for someone to DO it
[02:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:11] <imbrandon> very few things you can get done 100% on your own
[02:11] <imbrandon> anyway, i'm off to go pickup my son bbiab
[02:11] <kwwii_> imbrandon: when it boots, it says about 5 times between each normal boot message "chdir, file doees not exist"or udevd.../dev/null/ file does not exist
[02:11] <kwwii_> etc.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[02:12] <kwwii_> hehe, the third time is a chrarm
[02:12] <kwwii_> charm
[02:12] <kwwii_> not sure why, but now it boots
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: who manages dapper backports ? mez ?
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's for bug 57739
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57739 in knetworkmanager "please backport 0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1 to dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57739
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: imbrandon can backport
[02:13] <Tonio_> I agree with this
[02:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: would you be okay to do this ?
[02:14] <Tonio_> edgy version really closes lots of issues...
[02:14] <kwwii_> rebooting, bbl
[02:14] <gnomefreak> jdong is a backporter iirc imbrandon also
[02:18] <imbrandon> re
[02:18] <kwwii> re
[02:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: jdong, imbrandon, mez
[02:18] <Hobbsee> re^2?
[02:18] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea i'll check it now
[02:18] <imbrandon> lol @ Hobbsee
[02:18] <kwwii> I was quite worried for 5 miutes there
[02:18] <imbrandon> heh you had me worried since i havent rebooted yet
[02:18] <Tonio_> heya kwwii ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay ;)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm in "hobbsee is being a nitpicky bitch mode" - perhaps i should do some more reviews on REVU?  :P
[02:20] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, I need an opinion: I've written this application for KDE 4: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6439/schermata19gx1.png
[02:20] <WindowsUninstall> It's for the disk managment.
[02:20] <WindowsUninstall> Do you like? 
[02:21] <kwwii> WindowsUninstall: looks pretty good to me...how do you draw the pie chart?
[02:23] <kwwii> I assume some lib, not pics
[02:23] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, An homemade function :)
[02:23] <kwwii> it would be cool if you could antialias the lines on it a bit :-)
[02:23] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, I'm not an artist :D
[02:24] <Tonio_> bug40786
[02:24] <Tonio_> I HATE this kind of comments
[02:24] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, Also I don't know how to draw antialiased lines
[02:24] <Tonio_> bug 40786
[02:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40786 in knetworkmanager "Missing documentation" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40786
[02:24] <Tonio_> shit, if you don't like the doc has it is, provide a better one or shutup !!
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:24] <Jucato> heh
[02:24] <kwwii> hehe
[02:24] <Hobbsee> i remember that one being shocking, yes
[02:24] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, I need more ideas for this program
[02:25] <imbrandon> Tonio_, knetworkmanager backport fixed up, it will be done with the archive rounds today 
[02:26] <kwwii> WindowsUninstall: if I think of anythng I'll let you know :-)
[02:27] <WindowsUninstall> ok
[02:27] <WindowsUninstall> Thanks :)
[02:27] <WindowsUninstall> kwwii, http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kde4/playground/base/kdiskmanager/
[02:27] <WindowsUninstall> The source are here
[02:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I've assigned two bugs related to this to you
[02:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: in case you wanna close them once backport is in ;)
[02:28] <imbrandon> kk
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a way to nuke package from ubuntu ? knetswitch, gnetswitch and netswitch are now unmaintained
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: file a bug requesting its removal
[02:31] <Tonio_> and there are not of any use with networkmanager
[02:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: who to assign to ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: subscribe ubuntu-archive
[02:32] <Hobbsee> check the rdepends first, fo course :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> hehe, yes :)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm leaving nothing to chance tonight.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> no, i dont think you have
[02:33] <Jucato> heh, at least not yet :)
[02:37] <kwwii> given enough time, I am sure you will :P
[02:37] <Jucato> hah
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[02:50] <jdong> wow, kde4 really rocks... look at how much it runs :)
[02:50] <jdong> konsole.... and ... umm... konsole.... and umm... hey! kpersonalizer!
[02:50] <jdong> :)
[02:51] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[02:51] <imbrandon> jdong, heh on my ibook it runs koffice, kdegames, konqui / konsole / and the rest of kdebase , among others ;)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you forget about oping Hawkwind?
[02:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: file a bug and ask for removal and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[02:51] <imbrandon> havent tried Riddell's packages yet though, about to today
[02:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did it last night
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: already done, thanks :)
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:51 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 1   20    HAWKWIND                            <never used>
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[02:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> so he is.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> wonder why it's all in caps
[02:53] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: My nick was originally registered in all caps when I first came here
[02:53] <imbrandon> its probably the way he registered his nick
[02:54] <Hawkwind> I need to see about getting that changed
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: ahhh...
[02:55] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:55] <abattoir> Riddell: hi :)
[02:55] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry about not being able to make it to the meeting :(
[02:56] <imbrandon> wow between Hobbsee and Tonio_ bugmail blew up my mailbox ;)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[02:56] <imbrandon> i thought i was doing good with 4 bugs delt with, then i look at my mail
[02:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why, on the ubuntu-universe-sponsors list?
[02:56] <imbrandon> lol
[02:56] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, why am i ?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont know.  you could be, though
[02:57] <imbrandon> becosue i offer to sponsor uploads for people
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it seems that the email goes to everyone, as i ahvent set an address
[02:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  the mail gos to the whole team anyhow
[02:57] <imbrandon> weather you set one or not afaik
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oohhhh
[02:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:01] <Hobbsee> i dont know.  my brain is screwed, i'm annoyed, and i still have a few people to yell at.
[03:02] <jdong> imbrandon: whoa whoa, did you test the knetworkmanager backport?
[03:02] <jdong> imbrandon: I've tried backporting it before, and installing it will cause dbus hell
[03:02] <jdong> imbrandon: namely, the nm backend will refuse to start, etc
[03:02] <imbrandon> i made sure it built and installed
[03:02] <imbrandon> other than that no
[03:02] <WindowsUninstall> See you later
[03:03] <jdong> hmm
[03:03] <kwwii> so...what kind of usplash do we want? a very simple one? more complicated? with throbber or w/o?
[03:03] <jdong> you got any dapper boxes that you can conform it works on?
[03:03] <jdong> confirm*
[03:03] <jdong> I'm pretty paranoid about that backport
[03:03] <imbrandon> jdong, not handy, i can later today
[03:03] <jdong> I've got no dapper boxes or working vmware
[03:03] <jdong> imbrandon: k
[03:04] <imbrandon> kwwii, i was always a fan of the simple suse ones with a throbber in the middle
[03:04] <imbrandon> solid color with a nice logo+text with a monocrome throbber
[03:04] <imbrandon> just my 0.2c
[03:07] <Hobbsee> kwwii: one like the one on the artwork page :)
[03:07] <kwwii> yeah, if we have a throbber, we should not have the progress bar though
[03:07] <kwwii> and turning off the text would be good in that case too
[03:07] <kwwii> and I am not sure if we can turn either of those two things off
[03:08] <imbrandon> seveas would be the one to ask i think
[03:08] <imbrandon> about that
[03:08] <imbrandon> kwwii, ydo you have a fullsize 5b easy for me to grab ?
[03:08] <imbrandon> i wanna try something real fast
[03:09] <kwwii> imbrandon: all those pics are in a tarball
[03:09] <Tonio_> I have to go, back in an hour
[03:09] <kwwii> one second, I'll get the url
[03:09] <imbrandon> i thnk i got the tarbal
[03:10] <imbrandon> yea i got it
[03:11] <abattoir> Riddell: are you free now? may i speak with you?
[03:11] <Riddell> abattoir: a bit
[03:12] <imbrandon> kwwii, isnt thetre a line tool ( for a broken line ) in PS ?
[03:12] <imbrandon> i'm not finding it ( working on a quick proof-of-concept thingy )
[03:13] <kwwii> imbrandon: should be
[03:17] <kwwii> imbrandon: you need to make a brush like that and use the line tool
[03:17] <imbrandon> yea i just found it
[03:18] <kwwii> for now, I guess I will simply put the new logo on black and edit the throbber pics from the example theme to match, at least we will have somewhere to start from
[03:26] <imbrandon> kwwii, ok last request ( for now ) hehe do you have the edgy-test.png logo with a totaly transparent bg ?
[03:26] <imbrandon> the one on the wiki has some white
[03:27] <imbrandon> behind it
[03:27] <kwwii> you mean the one with the light shining through it?
[03:27] <imbrandon> nah the 
[03:28] <imbrandon> main one 
[03:28] <imbrandon> the one you use on kdm
[03:28] <kwwii> ahhhh, well, I have an SVG I made it from
[03:28] <imbrandon> hehe can you export a png with a trans bg pweeeeease ?
[03:29] <kwwii> one second
[03:29] <imbrandon> thanks ;)
[03:32] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:33] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[03:34] <Tonio_> yop bddebian
[03:34] <kwwii> so... imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/idea_raw.png
[03:34] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[03:34] <kwwii> but it still has a bit of color in it
[03:34] <kwwii> the objects that make the lines are slightly purple, tec.
[03:34] <kwwii> etc
[03:36] <kwwii> so who wants to test the new usplash?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> kwwii: wow!  pretty!
[03:36] <gnurante> Hi
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how easy would it be to fix the "no searching in khelpcentre unless htdig is installed"?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> s/easy/feasible/
[03:42] <Tonio_> hum....
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cd size would be the only thing stopping us, presumably
[03:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: same ease than getting an app in universe :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> in main sorry
[03:43] <Hobbsee> that too
[03:43] <Hobbsee> !info htdig edgy
[03:43] <ubotu> htdig: WWW search system for an intranet or small internet. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0b6-1 (edgy), package size 1781 kB, installed size 6328 kB
[03:43] <Jucato> ouch...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i see.
[03:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: can we afford htdig on the cd ?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: he's afk
[03:43] <Tonio_> Size: 1823830
[03:43] <Hobbsee> there has to be some stuff that we can pull off as being useless
[03:43] <Tonio_> looks reasonnable
[03:45] <imbrandon> kwwii, ping 
[03:45] <gnomefreak> after the kde4base upgrade is it safe to install kubuntu-desktop back or will it replace the new libs?
[03:45] <imbrandon> kwwii, http://federation.imbrandon.com/concept1.png
[03:45] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, wow your brave ;)
[03:45] <gnomefreak> always :)
[03:45] <Jucato> absolutely amazing imbrandon! :)
[03:45] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: +1 on that
[03:46] <gnomefreak> that is nice
[03:46] <imbrandon> Jucato, i wouldent call it that, i through it togather in 5 seconds
[03:46] <imbrandon> litterly
[03:46] <Jucato> if that's what you could do in 5 secs, I'm excited to see what you could do in a whole minute :)
[03:46] <gnomefreak> make the white one purple :)
[03:46] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: it's gonna be a throbber :)
[03:47] <gnomefreak> Jucato: after the first 30 secs you start messing things up 
[03:47] <gnomefreak> oh sweet
[03:47] <Jucato> heh
[03:47] <imbrandon> kwwii, so what ya think ?
[03:47] <Jucato> imbrandon: you also typed in those side notes within 5 secs? :P
[03:47] <imbrandon> Jucato, shush 
[03:47] <Jucato> oops... sorry...
[03:48] <imbrandon> ok 34 minutes ( just looked back at the irc log to see when i started heheh )
[03:49] <imbrandon> heh no
[03:49] <imbrandon> shush was playfull
[03:49] <Jucato> whew :)
[03:49] <Jucato> ah... it's hard to tell in IRC :)
[03:50] <imbrandon> trust me people know when i'm annoyed, i'm not shy ( but i dont get annoyed easy imo )
[03:50] <jdong> imbrandon: where's my ktorrent?
[03:50] <jdong> imbrandon: where's my ktorrent?
[03:50] <jdong> ;)
[03:50] <imbrandon> ok that will get a /kick
[03:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:50] <jdong> :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> Seveas, is that even possible with the new usplash code ? ( e.g. http://federation.imbrandon.com/concept1.png )
[03:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: any reference to your angry night with upstream concerning konversation default settings ?? ;-)
[03:53] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea that was one of the few times i was a bit annoyed
[03:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hah.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> more than "a bit" annoyed
[03:53] <imbrandon> lol shush /me was hopping no one read the logs
[03:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lol, yes 3 phrases, 7 f*ck in them ;)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i didnt count
[03:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i still get the honour of teachign the dev team what  ffs was.
[03:54] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[03:54] <Hobbsee> s/was/is/g
[03:54] <Tonio_> everyone in invited to add his points here
[03:54] <imbrandon> ffs ?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: check google or wikipedia or something
[03:54] <imbrandon> ~google ffs
[03:54] <imbrandon> gah no bot
[03:55] <imbrandon> heh
[03:55] <imbrandon> i dident bother with an acronym, i was uterly p*ssed off to say the leaste
[03:56] <imbrandon> but it was all good by morning
[03:56] <imbrandon> its amazing what a few hours away from the keyboard will do 
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i dont usually use the f word though.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:57] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:57] <imbrandon> i think i'll try the new kde4 debs while i wait for kwwii
[03:57] <imbrandon> heh
[03:57] <imbrandon> you probably wont either ;)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i have a couple of times. that's it
[03:58] <Jucato> hah
[03:58] <Jucato> darn! 
[03:58] <Hobbsee> and some of fubar'd
[04:03] <imbrandon> jdong, ping
[04:03] <jdong> imbrandon: pong
[04:04] <imbrandon> ok knetwork manager runs fine, no issues , and the issues you had before were probably not knm related as nm is the backend and a diffrent package
[04:04] <kwwii> imbrandon: nifty :-)
[04:04] <imbrandon> so can you please do BACK to the bug and retaact that
[04:04] <kwwii> sorry, I took a shower
[04:04] <imbrandon> last statement ;)
[04:04] <imbrandon> jdong, ....
[04:04] <imbrandon> Setting up network-manager (0.6.2-0ubuntu7) ...
[04:04] <imbrandon>  * Stopping NetworkManager daemon                                                                                                         [ ok ] 
[04:04] <imbrandon>  * Starting NetworkManager daemon                                                                                                         [ ok ] 
[04:04] <imbrandon>  * Stopping NetworkManager dispatcher                                                                                                     [ ok ] 
[04:04] <imbrandon>  * Starting NetworkManager dispatcher                                                                                                     [ ok ] 
[04:05] <imbrandon> everything running smooth, connect , disconnect ertc etc etc
[04:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:05] <jdong> imbrandon: k, cool
[04:05] <imbrandon> nm interacts with dbus and knm interacts with nm ;) just fyi
[04:06] <kwwii> imbrandon: I doubt that your pic is 256 colors, or?
[04:06] <jdong> imbrandon: i know, but the knetworkmanager config file it installed in /etc/dbus last time caused dbus to stop starting
[04:06] <imbrandon> kwwii, so you like the concept ;)
[04:06] <jdong> oh well :)
[04:06] <jdong> good
[04:07] <kwwii> imbrandon: to be honest, I think that it is a bit too much...all you really need is the throbber and the logo
[04:07] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:07] <imbrandon> kwwii, thats what i was talking about "SuSE" like , back in the olden days
[04:07] <imbrandon> yea but if you cant get rid of the text / bar
[04:07] <imbrandon> might as well use them
[04:07] <kwwii> I am actually trying to move forward since I did that work :P
[04:08] <imbrandon> hehe but i LIKED that hehe 
[04:08] <imbrandon> anyhow it was just to show you my idea better than i could with words ;)
[04:08] <kwwii> well, what we have now is a pulsating progress bar, a logo above it and text below it
[04:08] <kwwii> honestly, the stuff doesn't work on my system, so I am just gathering that from the .c file
[04:09] <imbrandon> yea
[04:09] <imbrandon> it dosent work on my ppc either
[04:09] <imbrandon> dunno why
[04:10] <imbrandon> Riddell, it should be able to install those debs and only use kde4 from a seperate user right ?
[04:11] <imbrandon> s/it/I
[04:17] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:18] <Jucato> lol
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:19] <imbrandon> oh wow http://pastebin.ca/164291
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Script?
[04:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: shouldn't we think about switching back to kbackup, since keep looks unmaintained ?
[04:20] <Jucato> heh
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've used neither.  in fact, i disable keep.  sounds sane though, to go to a maintained app.
[04:21] <Tonio_> or konserve eventually, which is the official one
[04:21] <Jucato> oh darn! I forgot to ask about Krita...
[04:22] <jdong> apt-get autoremove really scares me :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: konserve sounds familiar, yes.
[04:23] <imbrandon> why? you should be able to fix just about /anything/ as a developer ;)
[04:23] <imbrandon> if not you know who to ask
[04:23] <imbrandon> anyhow i'm off to bed, see yall later
[04:24] <Jucato> bye imbrandon! night :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[04:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but unmaintained too
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah okay
[04:25] <apachelogger> how to easily prevent .la files from been packaged?
[04:27] <apachelogger> ...ya have to wait 3 months to get your packages reviewed, and then you should prepare for traveling... oioi would insanity say
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Gnight Jucato of the Beatuiful Women :)
[04:28] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh not yet :)
[04:30] <DaSkreech> cover them in smog?
[04:31] <apachelogger> smog is always good :P
[04:31] <apachelogger> do they harm someone?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: run a rm -R *.la in debian/rules, clean section or something?  no idea.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: "because they're evil"
[04:31] <apachelogger> do they slowly eat apt?
[04:31] <apachelogger> or do they fight with amarok about world domination?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:32] <DaSkreech> No just the mannerism of World Domination
[04:32] <Hobbsee> they cause death and destruction to poor innocent penguins.
[04:32] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: hm, guess the rm must be in the binary pre-packaging section, however that is called
[04:32] <apachelogger> anyway, thx :)
[04:32] <apachelogger> .la!
[04:32] <apachelogger> when I get reborn I want to be a .la file
[04:32] <apachelogger> so that a ubuntu motu can remove me :P
[04:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i doubt that's the clean way of doing it.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i think that's the quick and dirty way
[04:33] <apachelogger> really, I wouldn't remove them at all
[04:34] <apachelogger> it's just to make my life less productive I guess
[04:36] <apachelogger> hm
[04:36] <apachelogger> I know I recently packaged something which is removing a file post-build
[04:36] <apachelogger> ahhh
[04:37] <apachelogger> ktorrent....
[04:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: dh_iconcache is now in kde.mk right ?
[04:37] <Tonio_> so all related problems are supposed to be resolved ?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, for apps that dont distribute a custom kde.mk, obviously
[04:37] <Tonio_> sure
[04:37] <apachelogger> bah
[04:37] <Hobbsee> and for packagse which dont use cdbs
[04:37] <apachelogger> part of the install section
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: otherwise, yes
[04:38] <Riddell> imbrandon: which debs?
[04:38] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: binary-post-install
[04:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for cdbs : of course :)
[04:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd really rather not have htdig on the CD
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why not?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah :)
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: wb :)
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the reason ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: debhelper sucks.  Long live CDBS!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: heya, do you know a reason for removing .la files? apart from not needed
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that khelpcenter give horrible error messages while htdig isn't installed....
[04:42] <Seveas> imbrandon, yes that is possible
[04:43] <Tonio_> ARGH !!!!!!!!!!!
[04:43] <Tonio_> "translate this application" launches firefox here......
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Didn't he go to bed?
[04:44] <Seveas> DaSkreech, no idea, just reading the highlights from my backlog 
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Seveas: How do you get that?
[04:45] <Jucato> DaSkreech: in Konversation, lines with you name in it are red
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Yes but .. You just scrool through and read the red ones?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Can't it aggreagte them to a F-Key?
[04:45] <Seveas> I just use PgUp and PgDn 
[04:46] <Jucato> good question :)
[04:46] <Jucato> lol
[04:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: konversation has a find function.
[04:46] <Jucato> yep.. scrolling :)
[04:46] <Jucato> Firefox-like find function, I might add
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Yeah and I'm going to search for my name? I talk a lot
[04:46] <Seveas> then talk less :
[04:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: for the last point at which you said something? sure
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:46] <Jucato> lol
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I love that it seaches backwards by default though :)
[04:56] <Tonio_> kwwii: if you are okay I'm closing this : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/57428
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57428 in kubuntu-default-settings "kdm background is still blue but has purple wallpaper" [Untriaged,In progress]  
[04:57] <Tonio_> I will patch /etc/kde3/kdm/backlgroundrc to match the correct background
[04:57] <Jucato> yay! :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> I can confirm this bug here
[04:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: your solution is the good one :)
[04:57] <Riddell> sitter: depends on the situation, but .la file for plugins should be there, for libraries they should be in the -dev package
[04:58] <Jucato> thanks :)
[04:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, one is a kwin theme and the other is a konqueror plugin
[04:58] <apachelogger> actually both don't have a lot of content at all ^^
[05:00] <jjesse> is it safe to assume that there is a bug or people are aware that theme doesn't completely cover konqueror's start page?
[05:01] <Jucato> aware of it, and I think imbrandon has a working copy of the corrected one?
[05:13] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes,  please do
[05:13] <kwwii> ahhh, wait
[05:13] <kwwii> no, we need to change that color to match the general bg colors from kdm and the desktop
[05:13] <kwwii> that is important
[05:13] <Jucato> that, too. :)
[05:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: too late.......
[05:14] <kwwii> Tonio_: :p
[05:14] <kwwii> well, when we change the wallpapers in a few days you might have to change that color again :-)
[05:14] <Tonio_> true ;)
[05:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: wallpapers will change ?
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Does ubiquity take the current settings from the Live CD?
[05:14] <Jucato> wouldn't the BG color be hidden if a background is set in KDM?
[05:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: should yes, that's why I would consider this optionnal
[05:15] <Jucato> ah, just in case. :)
[05:16] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I think so. but I'm not 100% sure...
[05:17] <Jucato> wow! Konqueror crashed on me for the 1st time...
[05:17] <DaSkreech> I'm guessing that's more the Ubuntu team?
[05:21] <kwwii> Tonio_: yepp, we are going green and pink soon
[05:21] <Jucato> lol
[05:22] <Jucato> I'll be waiting in the forums for comments on that one :D
[05:23] <kwwii> hehe
[05:23] <Tonio_> kwwii: pink ??????????????????
[05:23] <kwwii> actually we are going to blue-purple
[05:23] <Jucato> nice
[05:23] <Tonio_> ah ok :)
[05:23] <kwwii> but in the end, maybe we should stay with the current orange-purple
[05:23] <Jucato> err.. orange?
[05:23] <kwwii> I like the current one, and may others do too
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we include gtk-qt-engine to systemsettings/appearance ?
[05:24] <kwwii> well, it is orange/yellow
[05:24] <Jucato> :)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Blue-pink to be gender neutral with awful sterotypical offensive colours
[05:24] <Tonio_> it is still usefull to sync the fonts and install the firefox scrollbar fix
[05:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: please do :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> that cannot be automated
[05:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, I probably will but for this, I prefer to have _Sime or Riddell acknowledgment :)
[05:25] <Jucato> :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:29] <jjesse> have a good night :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> will do
[05:30] <Hobbsee> or morning.
[05:30] <jjesse> sleep tiight
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Night Hobbse
[05:30] <Jucato> night Hobbsee!
[05:30] <DaSkreech> +e
[05:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: why?
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you don't see it, you cannot set that gtk apps have to use kde settings for fonts
[05:33] <Tonio_> that has top be done each time you change them
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: another thing is that it now allows to install a fix for firefox scrollbars
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that caused lots of bugs on launchpad...
[05:33] <Riddell> what's the fix, shouldn't we have that on by default?
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: hidding it only manages the theme dynamically, but for the rest, manual access is required
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: no we shouldn't cause that can impact people using both gnome and kde...
[05:34] <allee> Tonio_: hi, is anti-alias not working after initial login in dapper the fix known (3.5.4) ?  Otherwise I can tell you
[05:34] <Tonio_> it is probably better to let people install is manually I think....
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning fonts, only manual sync is possible
[05:35] <Tonio_> so people without access to gtk-qt kcontrol module will not be able to set gtk apps to sync to new kde settings...
[05:35] <Tonio_> that's an issue in my opinion
[05:35] <Tonio_> allee: in dapper ????
[05:36] <allee> yeap
[05:36] <Tonio_> I never saw that....
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Which KDM do we use?
[05:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you want we can put it in the advanced tab of kss if you don't want Joe to see it ;)
[05:37] <allee> Tonio_: new user, first login, no alias.  k-s-s: turn alias off, apply, turn on again, apply -> fixed.  As patch this looks like:
[05:37] <allee> --- /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals.save        2006-09-08 17:31:16.000000000 +0200
[05:37] <allee> +++ /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals     2006-09-08 17:31:42.000000000 +0200
[05:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm not sure the reason for not including it but I'd like to find out what it was first before we add it back
[05:37] <allee> @@ -12,6 +12,9 @@
[05:37] <Tonio_> allee, yes I fixed that in edgy ;)
[05:37] <allee>  selectBackground=74,149,214
[05:37] <allee>  selectForeground=255,255,255
[05:37] <allee>  buttonBackground=240,240,240
[05:37] <allee> +XftAntialias=true
[05:37] <allee> +XftSubPixel=none
[05:38] <Tonio_> the point is kde 3.5.4 requires a new parameter
[05:38] <Jucato> "GTK Style and Fonts"
[05:38] <Tonio_> yes it is this one :)
[05:38] <Tonio_> allee 3.5.2 people shouldn't have the problem am I wrong ?
[05:38] <allee> Tonio_: good.  Now it's fixed  here too for dapper 3.5.4
[05:39] <allee> Tonio_: yes, I can't remember seeing it with 3.5.2.  But 3.5.2 is history here ;)
[05:39] <Jucato> Tonio_: kwallet seems to be missing in kss, too?
[05:39] <Tonio_> allee for edgy, yes, but I didn't do that for dapper
[05:39] <allee> Tonio_: 'k.  np as long as it's know how to fix.
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I  discussed with _Sime concerning this and he apparently removed it because he didn't knew everything in it wasn't automatic :)
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: he though access to it was purelly optionnal, so removed it
[05:40] <Tonio_> Sime: can you confirm this ?
[05:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: we may need to rebuild keep to pick up dh_iconcache
[05:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum didn't it got rebuild auto for edgy ?
[05:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay gimme a second
[05:42] <Riddell> although personally I think the gnomes should do it, since it's to fix their desktop
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: reuploaded :)
[05:47] <Jucato> we can type in "sudo /usr/sbin/reboot -f" in Konsole while the logout options aren't working, right?
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Which svn branch of KDM does Debian use?
[05:51] <Tonio_> hum kpowermanager should conflict with guidance-power-manager
[05:53] <Tonio_> or at least disable it's autostart
[05:53] <Riddell> DaSkreech: 3.5
[05:54] <Jucato> DaSkreech: would you know how to download whole folders in websvn? :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyh idea how to perform this properly ?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Jucato: nah I just SVN it it's just faster to browse in web svn plus I get easy comments and comit times
[05:55] <Jucato> :)
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Apparently the suse uses a branch called coolos_KDM which doesn't have the White box problem plauging kwwii and others
[05:56] <DaSkreech> So I'm going to see the code on that and the code on the official KDM which is apparently not really being maintained
[06:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: no reason not to have two power managers running at once
[06:02] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Possibly. Though both of them seem to have fairly recent updates
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Time to diff :)
[06:02] <kwwii> DaSkreech: yeah, I made him make it that way :-)
[06:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[06:03] <apachelogger> kwwii: so you're responsible for all the other branches as well? :P
[06:03] <DaSkreech> I wonder why Ossi won't integrate teh two
[06:05] <Tonio_> hum, Riddellit looks like for people wanting to switch to kpowersave, splitting power-manager out of guidance would help
[06:06] <Tonio_> s/Riddellit/ Riddell it
[06:06] <Riddell> spose we could do that
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: added to todo list to discuss this with Sime
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: that may require a modification to the seeds no ?
[06:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[06:17] <Riddell> kwwii: seen http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=45422 ?
[06:19] <Jucato> Tonio_: excuse, just a quick question: the kwallet module was removed from kss?
[06:20] <Riddell> I don't think it has one
[06:20] <Jucato> in Dapper it did? under the Security.. forgot the whole name, though
[06:20] <Tonio_> Jucato: looks that yes...
[06:20] <Tonio_> it probably should go to advanced, but not be removed...
[06:20] <Jucato> ah Security and Privacy. KControl seems to have it still
[06:20] <Tonio_> I'll see this too with Sime
[06:21] <Jucato> thanks!
[06:47] <Tonio_> hu ? did anyone remove and reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[06:47] <Jucato> hm.. haven't tried reinstalling it
[06:47] <Tonio_> apt then suggest everytime to autoremove all dependancies
[06:47] <Jucato> it was removed when I installed kde4base...
[06:47] <Tonio_> The following packages where automatically installed and are no longer required:
[06:47] <Tonio_>   xserver-xorg kpdf ksystemlog xserver-xorg-video-rendition krdc krfb kscd kppp konversation libkscan1 xserver-xorg-input-evdev kdeprint
[06:48] <Tonio_> etc.......
[06:48] <Tonio_> hum, right, after installtion, the prompt ends.......
[06:49] <Tonio_> but I really dislike this feature
[06:49] <Jucato> autoremove?
[06:49] <Tonio_> it helps keeping a clean system, but that very dangerous
[06:49] <Tonio_> yes
[06:49] <Jucato> I remember jdong saying it was very scary...
[06:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: well lots of people might want to remove OOo and install koffice for example
[06:50] <Tonio_> then they will be prompted everytime with a hudge list to remove those packages blabla
[06:50] <Tonio_> the newbie will do it and crash his system.......
[06:50] <Tonio_> that's not fairt
[06:50] <Jucato> heh, sounds almost like aptitude, when it tries to be smarter than you :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> -t
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Is anyone here able to run konqueror in KDE4 in Edgy ?
[06:56] <Jucato> you're one of a kind Hawkwind :)
[06:56] <Hawkwind> It surely seems that way
[06:57] <Riddell> not I
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Is there planes for a Krash+1?
[06:58] <abattoir> hehe
[06:59] <Jucato> DaSkreech: KDE 4 tech preview will be released in Oct, AFAIK...
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Schweet
[07:00] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: You running Edgy with KDE4 anywhere ?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Naw. Power Company blew two of My hard drives so I'm space strapped
[07:01] <Hawkwind> Wow, wonder what I did so special to get konqueror to run
[07:01] <Jucato> Hawkwind: coz you're special :)
[07:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you don't have to download the whole thing?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Eh?
[07:01] <Jucato> In fact, you can run Krash with KDE 3.5.4 on Edgy 
[07:01] <Hawkwind> I run it in vmware
[07:01] <Jucato> just a few hunderd MB's
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm 
[07:02] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php (but i386 only)
[07:08] <Jucato> night people! :)
[07:12] <Riddell> seaLne: around?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> ossi: Says he'll do it some day
[07:21] <Riddell> do what?
[07:43] <Sime> hi all
[07:50] <gnomefreak> Riddell: do i need to go up for membership to get a @kubuntu.org email?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> it wont let me use my ubuntu.com one :(
[07:52] <Riddell> gnomefreak: only kubuntu-members get @kubuntu.org e-mails
[07:52] <Riddell> are you an ubuntu member?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:52] <Riddell> turn up at the next meeting and we can vote you in
[07:52] <gnomefreak> do i need a speach?
[07:52] <Riddell> what won't let you use your ubuntu.com address?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> LP
[07:52] <Riddell> you need to say why you should be a kubuntu member
[07:52] <gnomefreak> its used already for my Lp page.
[07:52] <gnomefreak> ko
[07:52] <gnomefreak> ok
[07:57] <hunger> Is it possible to get basket updated to the latest beta? It is a seriously nice app.
[07:57] <Riddell> not usually a good idea to upload beta versions
[07:57] <hunger> Riddell: Yeah, you are probably right:-(
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Riddell: merge the suse (coolos) branch of KDM with the KDE version
[08:01] <DaSkreech> when is the final shipping?
[08:03] <Riddell> DaSkreech: see EdgyReleaseSchedule
[08:03] <DaSkreech> I meant for Basket :)
[08:03] <hunger> DaSkreech: No idea... it got much nicer though.
[08:03] <DaSkreech> How much nicer?
[08:04] <hunger> DaSkreech: Check here: http://basket.kde.org/development.php
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Kontact integration!
[08:06] <hunger> DaSkreech: yeap:-)
[08:06] <hunger> DaSkreech: I like the hierarchical baskets, too.
[08:07] <DaSkreech> I haven't reached that far
[08:15] <lnxkde> going to install edgy :D
[08:23] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds?
[08:23] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[08:29] <freeflying> Riddell: how can I upload updates to dapper
[08:36] <Riddell> freeflying: new versions of a programme or small bugfixes?
[08:36] <freeflying> Riddell: bugfix
[08:38] <freeflying> Riddell: dose it need approve by mdz?
[08:38] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, e-mail him the debdiff to ask if he approves with as much information as possible
[08:39] <freeflying> Riddell: ok, thanks
[08:39] <mdz> Riddell: it doesn't need my review if it isn't a new upstream; if it's just a bugfix patch you can review and upload
[08:39] <freeflying> mdz: thanks
[08:40] <Riddell> ah, I've must be being extra cautious with my dapper-updates then
[08:45] <kwwii> well, I have now given the usplash stuff up to be packaged
[08:46] <kwwii> so, at least theoretically, we have all parts of the artwork included
[08:46] <kwwii> before freeze :-)
[08:49] <mdz> Riddell: oh, I didn't notice this was for dapper
[08:49] <mdz> Riddell: you're correct then
[08:49] <mdz> freeflying: we only issue updates to dapper for security and other high-impact bugs
[09:13] <kwwii> I encourage anyone who can test the usplash to test it (when the packages are done) and let me know how it looks ;-)
[09:16] <DaSkreech> hi el
[09:16] <Tonio_> kwwii: crosing my fingers......
[09:16] <kwwii> Tonio_: hehe, me too :-)
[09:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: any screenshot how it might look ?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Hey got the repo?
[09:17] <lnxkde> what repo?
[09:17] <Tonio_> hard to patch when you don't speak c++...
[09:18] <lnxkde> :(
[09:18] <kwwii> Tonio_: pretty much what I posted earlier, only I touched up the progress bar a bit
[09:18] <Tonio_> but I'll succeed !
[09:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: what takes 2 minutes to a kde dev takes me 3 hours + compiling time
[09:18] <kwwii> :P
[09:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: my only advantage is that I don't need to sleep a lot :)
[09:19] <kwwii> lol
[09:19] <kwwii> sleep in between builds
[09:19] <Tonio_> good idea indeed :)
[09:19] <Tonio_> haha
[09:19] <kwwii> I actually used to do that 
[09:19] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[09:19] <kwwii> set an alarm
[09:20] <lnxkde> DaSkreech:  yep. going to install it as soon I get edgy updated :)
[09:20] <Tonio_> pbuilder build *.dsc && amarok -i sepultura.mp3
[09:21] <Tonio_> sounds like a good way to proceed :)
[09:21] <el> hi DaSkreech 
[09:21] <Tonio_> kwwii: I promiss to test this one day hehe
[09:22] <Tonio_> I'll try to get mimetypes fixed in kds toonight too
[09:22] <Tonio_> we miss a lot of them (mp4, aac etc...)
[09:25] <kwwii> Tonio_: can't you just make symbolic links for them?
[09:25] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, like cakma (compile and kick my ass)
[09:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: I generally don't like links since you get lost when you are not in front of the computer
[09:26] <Tonio_> so as I can type quite quickly, I prefer not to use them
[09:27] <Tonio_> the same way I don't use bookmarks on the web on contacts in kmail
[09:27] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:27] <Tonio_> I prefer to get my brain trained a bit
[09:27] <Tonio_> I'm not a vegetable, I'm a human beeing !!!
[09:27] <kwwii> I just wonder how much space we waste by including the same icon twice or three times
[09:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: too much probably :)
[09:28] <kwwii> well, we will get that sorted in kde4
[09:28] <Tonio_> kde4 will not have this issue afaik, since everything will be based on svg's right ?
[09:28] <kwwii> well, I know that I do not intend to make the same mistake twice
[09:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: need any help with usplash?
[09:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: 
[09:29] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg$ du -sh *
[09:29] <DaSkreech> kwwii: the Suse code is nasty :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> 2,9M    128x128
[09:30] <kwwii> ryanakca: not at the moment...waiting for the package to be built
[09:30] <Tonio_> 3,0M    16x16
[09:30] <Tonio_> 2,0M    22x22
[09:30] <Tonio_> 2,6M    32x32
[09:30] <Tonio_> 2,1M    48x48
[09:30] <Tonio_> 2,0M    64x64
[09:30] <Tonio_> sorry for this.......
[09:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: looks reasonnable
[09:30] <kwwii> DaSkreech: which SUSE code?
[09:30] <DaSkreech> KDM -- White box
[09:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: that is in base, only, or?
[09:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: want to look at qcomicbook? .imbra.ndon. advocated is... if not, I'll go bug someone in -motu      http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3050
[09:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: in base ?
[09:30] <kwwii> DaSkreech: yeah, that is why it never went upstream
[09:30] <Tonio_> that's just an example for one theme
[09:31] <kwwii> it was always a nasty hack
[09:31] <DaSkreech> ossi says that he wouldn't mind integratingi it for a KDE4 release but the code needs to be smoother. I'm trying to get the list of requirements and pass them along 
[09:31] <Tonio_> I assume the global loss is maybe about 80 MB
[09:31] <DaSkreech> Would be sweet to have edgy+1 ship with it
[09:31] <Tonio_> that's reasonnable compared to apt stupid cache :)
[09:31] <kwwii> hehe ossi never wanted to work with us, so we had lubos take care of things ;-)
[09:31] <kwwii> what would be really cool, would be a decent looking face browser
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Yeah but duplication of efforts is always such propietary sense
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Define decent
[09:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: I thought imbrandon had already uploaded qcomicbook
[09:34] <DaSkreech> It made it?
[09:36] <mbiebl> sebas: ping
[09:37] <kwwii> DaSkreech: well, one that looks nice :-)
[09:37] <DaSkreech> What's ugly about the present one?
[09:37] <kwwii> and is at least somewhat themeable
[09:37] <kwwii> the bg color should be transparent
[09:37] <kwwii> and the widgets as well
[09:44] <Sime> Riddell: hi, we've been discussing on the PyKDE list developing PyKDE in KDE's SVN for KDE 4. BTW.
[09:44] <Tonio_> hey Sime !
[09:45] <Sime> Tonio_: you're back.
[09:45] <Tonio_> Sime: may I take 3 minutes of your time ?
[09:45] <Riddell> Sime: that's great news if it happens
[09:45] <Tonio_> Sime: hehe :)
[09:45] <Tonio_> Sime: I was wondering about reincluding gtk-qt-engine to k-s-s
[09:45] <Sime> yeah yeah, just let me go grab a can of America champage from the fridge.
[09:45] <Riddell> Sime: although it does mean releases have to be available in time for the KDE releases
[09:46] <Sime> Riddell: it looks like it will happen once some of the details are worked out.
[09:46] <Tonio_> we miss a few features if we don't include it, like resync fonts to kde ones and apply firefox/thunderbird patches
[09:46] <Sime> Riddell: that would be the main goal.
[09:46] <mbiebl> Riddell: Who is currently in charge for guidance-power-manager (edgy)?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Sime: and also kwallet should probably be back in the advanced tab, don't you think ?
[09:47] <mbiebl> Is it you or sebas?
[09:47] <Tonio_> Sime: any opinion concerning this ?
[09:47] <Riddell> mbiebl: me, sebas and lure are the ones who have been working on it
[09:48] <Sime> mbiebl: sebas
[09:48] <mbiebl> Ok, there is one issue with g-p-m I have. 
[09:49] <Sime> Tonio_: I don't know a hell of a lot about that functionality. I'm guessing that you need that in KSS other wise the user can't do what they need to do.
[09:49] <mbiebl> If I pull the plug, my laptop immediately hibernates although the batteries are fully charged.
[09:49] <mbiebl> My batteries need a little bit of time, until the report a valid "remaining time" value, something like 30 secs.
[09:50] <kwwii> Riddell, mdz: a kubuntu usplash has been submitted and built by Seveas (thanks go to him)
[09:50] <Tonio_> Sime: yes, gtk-qt-engine automatically binds the kde theme over gtk apps, but for example, syncking the fonts has to be done manually
[09:50] <Tonio_> Sime: moreover, the firefox patch cannot be automated in kubuntu since it might impact gnome users using kde
[09:51] <Tonio_> so people have to apply it themselves
[09:51] <mbiebl> iirc kpowersave had solved that by ignoring battery events for ~60 secs after pulling the plug. Maybe that would make sense for g-p-m too.
[09:51] <Riddell> mbiebl: hmm, interesting
[09:51] <Riddell> mbiebl: does this affect a paticular manufacturer?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Sime: and concerning kwallet, giving access to it is very usefull since sometimes, the wallet can get corrupted, or you can want to play with 2 wallets (I do for example)
[09:52] <mbiebl> Don't know if other laptops are affected by this too. At least mine does (HP nx7000)
[09:53] <Sime> Tonio_: GTK fonts etc looks neccessary.
[09:54] <Sime> Tonio_: maybe El has an opinion about kwallet...
[09:54] <mdz> kwwii: thanks, looking forward to seeing it in edgy
[09:54] <Tonio_> Sime: El ?
[09:54] <Sime> Tonio_: ellen (el)
[09:54] <Tonio_> Sime: ah !
[09:56] <Tonio_> Sime: well the wallet can be configured within the systray, so I think we maybe can forget this
[09:57] <Tonio_> Sime: concerning gtk-bla, are you adding it to svn and I resync the package or do we provide a patch for the moment ?
[09:57] <Sime> Tonio_: does kwallet appear in kmenu?
[09:57] <Sime> Tonio_: I can add gtkfonts to svn.
[09:57] <Tonio_> Sime: no, but you can go and configure in with the systray icon
[09:57] <Tonio_> open, and go -> configure
[09:58] <Sime> Tonio_: yeah, but how can you turn it on in the first place?
[09:58] <Tonio_> so that's not very important I must say, except when it bugs and you don't see the icon :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> Sime: it is by default as soon as an application calls it
[09:58] <Tonio_> like kmail, kopete or knetworkmanager
[09:58] <Tonio_> that opens it automatically
[09:59] <Sime> Tonio_: maybe, but if is inot enabled then you will never see the icon. I've _never_ seen the kwallet icon. I don't have it turned on at all.
[09:59] <Tonio_> Sime: you also have a kded running in the background that can be restarted eventually
[10:00] <Tonio_> Sime: it is but you don't see the icon since you never created any wallet
[10:00] <Tonio_> Sime: go watch kded services, you'll see a kwallet one running
[10:01] <Tonio_> Sime: the icon appears when a wallet is created whitch is done automatically when an app requires it.....
[10:01] <Tonio_> the only way to get it stopped is to set the kded service to stop
[10:01] <Sime> Tonio_: I don't think so. I use krdc and have the "use kwallet" checkbox on, but I've never seen an systray icon for it appear.
[10:01] <Tonio_> Sime: I think people that would break this know what they do :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> Sime: are you on kubuntu edgy ?
[10:02] <jjesse_> hmm i'm up to date on edgy and katapult still doesn't start by default
[10:02] <Tonio_> Sime: the wallet is buggy on kde 3.5.3 and 3.5.4, but I've patched it on edgy
[10:02] <Sime> Tonio_: I'm talking about dapper. Has kwallet been changed in edgy?
[10:02] <Tonio_> Sime: yes
[10:03] <Tonio_> Sime: dapper kde later packages don't have the fix
[10:03] <Tonio_> that's why you don't see the icon
[10:03] <Sime> Tonio_: aaah
[10:03] <Tonio_> Sime: see bug 57696
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57696 in kdeutils "edgy + 3.5.4, kwallet doesn't show up in the systray" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57696
[10:04] <Sime> Tonio_: ok then. If configuring kwallet via the systray is acceptable, then there is no need to put it in KSS. y/n?
[10:04] <Tonio_> touches dapper too if you don't use native 3.5.2 version
[10:04] <Tonio_> Sime: y
[10:04] <Tonio_> just add gtk-qt thing and I'll upgrade the package :)
[10:07] <Sime> working on it...
[10:10] <Tonio_> Sime: thanks, let me know when done, I'll upgrade immediately
[10:17] <Sime> testing
[10:26] <Sime> Tonio_: done
[10:26] <Tonio_> Sime: perfect, upgrading th epackage now :)
[10:27] <Tonio_> thanks a lot
[10:27] <Tonio_> Sime: can you just reming me the svn url ?
[10:27] <Sime> Tonio_: the whole url?
[10:28] <Tonio_> just the branch would suffice
[10:34] <nixternal> hey you guys, before i forget...can you all either /msg me or email nixternal@ubuntu.com with some stuff to display on the UWN..i want to add some KDE/Kubuntu stuff in there for this week before the Ubuntu guys kill it
[10:34] <nixternal> im gonna be afk for a bit
[10:35] <kwwii> UWN?
[10:35] <Sime> Tonio_: it is under trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/
[10:35] <Sime> Tonio_: is that enough info?
[10:35] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter ;)
[10:35] <Tonio_> Sime: thanks :)
[10:36] <Sime> Tonio_: and if you want one file..
[10:36] <Sime> Tonio_: look further in menu/systemsettings.menu
[10:36] <kwwii> nixternal: we could put pics of the new themeing
[10:36] <Tonio_> Sime: will do thanks a lot :) I'm packaging k-s-s now
[10:36] <Riddell> nixternal: I've added some stuff
[10:36] <nixternal> hmm..i will look into that..but i don't know how they are going about...like if they are just doing it "plain text" style..if not, i will add pics
[10:37] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy ;)
[10:37] <nixternal> you just made my to do list shrink a little bit
[10:39] <kwwii> cool
[10:40] <nixternal> hey...who did the new layout for Katpult?  was that you kwwii?
[10:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: no...
[10:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok, I'll do it
[10:40] <kwwii> nixternal: yes, any comments?
[10:40] <nixternal> oh ya, plenty
[10:40] <kwwii> it might be too little contrast
[10:40] <nixternal> well
[10:41] <nixternal> here are my thoughts on it as of right now
[10:41] <nixternal> IT ROCKS!
[10:41] <nixternal> ;)
[10:41] <kwwii> :-)
[10:41] <nixternal> i love the true transparency, and the "yellow" letters make it easy to read on my lcd
[10:41] <nixternal> and the purple tint as well...good job man..keep rockin'!
[10:41] <kwwii> yellow was the only color I could find that looked good on all screens and bg's
[10:42] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[10:42] <nixternal> ya, it works great for me
[10:42] <nixternal> the katapult in dapper was solid black right? there was no transparency
[10:42] <Riddell> it had some transparency
[10:42] <nixternal> ok..can't remember..been running edgy for so long now ;)
[10:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: shouldn't we increase a bit it's opacity ?
[10:43] <nixternal> i petitioned my local university to look into C++ for Linux and Qt Programming courses. I received a phone call from the Dean, and he stated they will look into it, as there needs to be more "UNIX" courses at the college
[10:43] <Tonio_> hard to read sometimes when lots of text behind
[10:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: no, i would suggest reducing the transparency :P
[10:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: to make it really unreadable ? that's a plan :)
[10:44] <Tonio_> ho sorry
[10:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum, I'm not a specialist, but what is the difference between reducing transparency and increasing opacity ?
[10:45] <nixternal> lol
[10:45] <nixternal> Tonio_: i think they are the same
[10:45] <nixternal> but like you, im not a specialist either
[10:45] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, that is why I put the :p behind my comment
[10:45] <kwwii> just having fun with you
[10:45] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[10:45] <Tonio_> nixternal: okay, I just wanted to be sure that there wasn't a different for a professionnal :)
[10:46] <Tonio_> hey Lure :)
[10:46] <Tonio_> kwwii: sorry but at that time, me english gets limited especially to understand jokes :)
[10:47] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:55] <kwwii> ryanakca: as soon as the package is available for update, you could test the new usplash and if possible make screenshots :-)
[10:56] <ryanakca> kwwii: how do you make screenshots of usplash?
[10:57] <kwwii> ryanakca: in a virtual system
[10:57] <kwwii> like vmware or such
[11:01] <lnxkde> :D
[11:20] <Tonio_> Sime: k-s-s uploaded
[11:20] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[11:20] <Sime> Tonio_: super sweet
[11:21] <Lure> Tonio_: pong
[11:21] <Tonio_> Sime: ready to help me with the kdebase toolbarview patch ?
[11:21] <Tonio_> maybe Sime would be interested since he has good knowledge in UIs :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Sime: eventually interested ?
[11:21] <Sime> Tonio_: what is that?
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm explaining Sime in pv, pinging you in 10 mintues :)
[11:23] <Sime> Tonio_: true
[11:23] <Sime> Tonio_: awesomeness
[11:24] <Tonio_> Sime: okay it is just to avoid pulition on the channel :)
[11:24] <Sime> Tonio_: that is so common that it deserves to be two buttons. Pull downs suck.
[11:25] <Sime> Tonio_: el might agree. ;-)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Sime: agree on rationnale ?
[11:25] <Sime> Tonio_: yes
[11:26] <Tonio_> okay so here is the point, I played with konqueror, but havent been able to find out how to had the icon to that
[11:26] <kwwii> rebooting, brb (usplash test)
[11:26] <Tonio_> there are two methods : m_toolBarViewModeActions gives the three buttons
[11:27] <Tonio_> lst gives only one but without an icon
[11:27] <Tonio_> we have 2 possibilities : patching m_toolBarViewModeActions to act like lst but with the icon
[11:27] <Tonio_> or patching lst to create an icon that dynamically change depending which view is used
[11:28] <Tonio_> like m_toolbar.......; does
[11:28] <Tonio_> second looks easier to perform, but I couldn't do it myself
[11:28] <Tonio_> Sime: everything is in kdebase/konqueror/konq_mainwindow{.cc|.h}
[11:29] <Tonio_> Sime: now you know everything
[11:29] <Tonio_> I havent been able to do that, nore toma
[11:29] <Tonio_> Sime: if you can do that, we'll kickass any distro ;)
[11:29] <Tonio_> since nobody has this
[11:29] <Sime> Tonio_: didn't that work in past versions of KDE?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Sime: nope I don't think so, since the lst method called is designed for the "view" menu, not a toolbar :)
[11:30] <Tonio_> but the modularity of kde allows to call it as a toolbar too, just the icon misses
[11:31] <Tonio_> I'm sure it is pretty easy to do for someone acknowledge to kde UIs
[11:31] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe you can do too, but I'm not able to do it...
[11:33] <Tonio_> Sime: talking about media, you were talking about fixing the "selection action" popup that still misses ?
[11:33] <Sime> it is fixed. There are a couple of patches that still need to be applied.
[11:34] <Sime> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[11:34] <Lure> Tonio_: might look into this over weekend - but need to hack multi-battery power-manager first
[11:34] <Tonio_> Lure: sure ;)
[11:35] <Tonio_> well both of you know the idea, and were to search, so it is okay, don't need to bother you more (for the moment hehe)
[11:35] <Tonio_> Sime: you definitly rock !!
[11:37] <Tonio_> toma: we were talking about the toolbar view button selector
[11:38] <Tonio_> toma: sorry for the combination... ;)
[11:38] <toma> i dont really mind, am used to it ;-)
[11:38] <Tonio_> toma: ^^
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: how to test the new usplash stuff ?
[11:38] <Tonio_> have packages been uploaded ?
[11:38] <kwwii> Tonio_: it will be in an update soon
[11:39] <kwwii> yepp
[11:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: screenshot available ?
[11:39] <kwwii> Tonio_: nope :-)
[11:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah !!!
[11:40] <kwwii> Tonio_: you could look at http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1-640.png
[11:40] <kwwii> that shows you the idea
[11:41] <kwwii> the lower progress bar is the background of the upper one (ie the upper one is active)
[11:41] <Tonio_> Sime: in k-s-s, shouldn't "connexion preferences" be in advanced ?
[11:41] <Tonio_> Sime: Joe will probably never go to configure timeouts and ttls :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> or play between active/passive ftp modes
[11:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: very nice :)
[11:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: isn't a background in your plans too ?
[11:42] <kwwii> we'll see how it turns out
[11:42] <Sime> Tonio_: el wanted it there...
[11:42] <kwwii> Tonio_: for the usplash?
[11:42] <Sime> Tonio_: some people do need to mess with that to get kde working on the net.
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Can we get a silver meter to fill?
[11:43] <Tonio_> Sime: doesn't make sense for me but well.... that pure network tweaking
[11:43] <Tonio_> Sime: in any case that's for me only for advanced users, not my mother :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, for usplash
[11:44] <Sime> Tonio_: some people do need to uses it just to be able to get konq to work properly at all.
[11:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: only if I know that if works full screen on all machines
[11:44] <Tonio_> Sime: hum, strange, but if it is known problem....
[11:44] <kwwii> no need for black boxes on the edges or such
[11:45] <kwwii> I mean, it is edgy...but.....uhhhhhh
[11:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: the strange point is usplash boots in hi-res on my machine, but shuts down in low-res :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> probably kdm shit....
[11:46] <kwwii> Tonio_: hehe, see what I mean
[11:46] <ryanakca> kwwii: another thing about usplash, is if you change console size, usplash doesn't run
[11:46] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[11:47] <kwwii> I could actually list a few other problems
[11:47] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's usplash code relative issue, not theme, so I don't think kwwii could be of any help :)
[11:47] <ryanakca> lol, kk
[11:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: stop me if I'm wrong :)
[11:47] <kwwii> but hey, let's not get into this with the artist :-)
[11:47] <ryanakca> lol
[11:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: uploaded
[11:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks :)
[11:48] <kwwii> from what I have heard, ppc should be fixed as well
[11:48] <kwwii> Riddell: did you end up building the new kubuntu-default-settings package?
[11:48] <Tonio_> why is kde bts so horrible ? :'(
[11:48] <Tonio_> everytime I wanna check it takes ages..........
[11:48] <Riddell> kwwii: I uploaded that yes
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: a new one is in progress
[11:49] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks :-)
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, danimo and I discussed this, since I complained a lot about it :)
[11:49] <Tonio_> still bugzilla, but improved and nex features enabled :)
[11:51] <Riddell> hi jott_ 
[11:54] <kwwii> luckily Seveas put the theme package together from the pics I gave him...in doing so he apparently found a bug - I would have been screaming and shouting :-)
[11:56] <Tonio_> that klipper bug is gonna make me crazy ;)
[11:56] <Seveas> kwwii, I immediately recognized the bug, it was something I meant to fix earlir but forgot
[11:59] <kwwii> Seveas: you saved me several hours of confusion, I really appreciate your help...if you ever need a kde icon, let me know! :-)
[11:59] <kwwii> I will, once again, reboot...brb
[11:59] <Seveas> well, you could do me a favor with some graphics
[12:00] <kwwii> Seveas: sure, how could I help?
[12:00] <Seveas> look at mirror.ubuntulinux.nl -- the falcon image there is in an unclear copyright situation, but I quite like it. Do you think you can draw something similar in black&white?
[12:01] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Which bug?
[12:02] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: bug 56377
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56377 in kdebase "klipper crashes on login " [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56377
[12:02] <DaSkreech> Ah. Ugh
[12:02] <Tonio_> it looks like an old bug in the klipper code, which only appears when ubuntu updated gcc or something
[12:02] <kwwii> hrm, living things are pretty hard...I could come close but I am nto sure how good it would be..I could try when edgy is slowing down
[12:03] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: look at the attached kde bug, exactly the same behavior, but different consequences.... it was in march
[12:03] <Seveas> kwwii, I'd appreciate it a lot
[12:03] <kwwii> funny but someone asked me to draw an owl's head today
[12:04] <kwwii> perhaps I can kill two birds with one stone (lol)
[12:04] <Seveas> haha
[12:04] <kwwii> animals are really hard
[12:04] <kwwii> very dependent on style
[12:04] <Seveas> well, you have an example image
[12:05] <Seveas> that should help a bit I guess
[12:05] <kwwii> yeah, kinda going over that and getting the basic idea does help
[12:06] <Seveas> http://calontir.sca.org/marshal/olga-falcon.gif 
[12:06] <Seveas> that's th large original
[12:08] <kwwii> I will see what I can do...it might take a while until edgy slows down though
[12:09] <DaSkreech> Which should be just enough time to give you amonth before KDE4 picks up :)