[12:10] <lupine_85> if you're set to broadcast your essid (on the router), a simple sudo iwlist ra0 scan often associates you automagically
[12:10] <_pete> i have no results on iwlist scan
[12:10] <lupine_85> are you sudo'ing it?
[12:10] <_pete> coreymon i got key / essid
[12:11] <_pete> lol no
[12:11] <lupine_85> and are you broadcasting the essid?
[12:11] <_pete> but still no results
[12:11] <lupine_85> try with sudo
[12:11] <_pete> and yes broadcasting essid
[12:11] <lupine_85> that's not good :/
[12:12] <_pete> coreymon77 what do i do next to not freeze up?
[12:13] <Heinkel> I now got the dualhead working on twinview. Thanks for helping me earlier this evening!
[12:13] <_pete> nah
[12:13] <lupine_85> I suspect s/he's going to get you to add all the details with iwconfig manually - e.g. sudo iwconfig ra0 essid <essid>; sudo iwconfig ra0 ap <ap>; sudo iwconfig ra0 key <key>
[12:13] <_pete> ap ????
[12:14] <_pete> i did essid and key
[12:14] <lupine_85> ap feeds the card the router's MAC address
[12:14] <lupine_85> forces it to try to connect to that AP
[12:14] <lupine_85> but if it's not showing up in scans, it's not looking promising
[12:14] <_pete> can i use iwconfig ra0 ap any?
[12:14] <lupine_85> you can
[12:15] <lupine_85> but using the MAC address tends to work better
[12:15] <lupine_85> do you get any useful output in dmesg, by the way?
[12:15] <_pete> hmm
[12:16] <lupine_85> (for key, incidentally, if it's in ASCII format you need to prefix s: to it)
[12:16] <soulrider> hi
[12:16] <lupine_85> hi :)
[12:17] <intelikey> anyone got any idea how big /usr would need to be if you did apt-get install \*  ???
[12:17] <unix_infidel> how do i check if there is any activity on specific drive node before i umount it?
[12:17] <_pete> lupine_85 ok i think i made sure to do that i'll retry
[12:18] <intelikey> unix_infidel lsof /dev/device  maybr
[12:18] <lupine_85> intelikey: E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expressio
[12:18] <coreymon77> well the essid and key is all i ever need
[12:19] <lupine_85> coreymoon77: there are subtle differences between access points
[12:19] <unix_infidel> intelikey: no, i dont think that's it.
[12:19] <lupine_85> you've got to love IEEE standards :)
[12:19] <coreymon77> wats ap
[12:19] <lupine_85> access point
[12:19] <lupine_85> you feed it the MAC address
[12:19] <_pete> coreymon77 talking to me man???
[12:19] <marsol0x> I'm having a problem connecting to a wireless network without manually setting the ip, netmask, gateway, etc.
[12:19] <coreymon77> nope
[12:19] <coreymon77> lupine
[12:20] <lupine_85> marsol0x: dhclient <interface> ?
[12:20] <marsol0x> Doesn't work.
[12:20] <shut-> how can i change from gnome
[12:20] <shut-> to a diffrent one
[12:20] <lupine_85> so when you set everything manually, it works?
[12:20] <marsol0x> Yes and no.
[12:20] <lupine_85> (and you do have DHCP on your router?)
[12:21] <marsol0x> It is much slower as a result, and so I get timed out all the time. My router does have DHCP.
[12:21] <lupine_85> static IPs aren't slower than DHCP IPs
[12:21] <marsol0x> I don't know then.
[12:21] <lupine_85> dodgy connection?
[12:21] <marsol0x> Shouldn't be. On the Windows machines it works fine.
[12:21] <intelikey> lupine_85 well you could feed it something like `apt-cache search {a..z} | cut -d' ' -f3`
[12:21] <coreymon77> now how do i get my sound working
[12:22] <lupine_85> regarding the connecting at all thing, I think that when you issue ifconfig <interface> up, it triggers the connect
[12:22] <intelikey> but you get the querry anyhow
[12:22] <lupine_85> so try making it up without any IP address, then running dhclient
[12:22] <marsol0x> I've noticed that dhclient use 255.255.255.255 for netmask and, but the router is set to 255.255.255.0
[12:22] <marsol0x> Would that be an issue?
[12:22] <marsol0x> Okay.
[12:22] <lupine_85> coreymon77: no idea
[12:23] <intelikey> err actually -f1 i was thinking dpkg output
[12:23] <lupine_85> marsol0x: no... it's basically sending the request as a universal broadcast
[12:23] <coreymon77> anyone know how to get the default creative live soundblaster cards working
[12:23] <marsol0x> I see.
[12:24] <marsol0x> The logs state that the router sends out a DHCPOFFER, but the network seems to miss it for some reason.
[12:24] <lupine_85> intelikey: still doesn't work
[12:24] <lupine_85> "The following packages have unmet dependencies."
[12:25] <intelikey> so there are packages that with your repo list you can't install.   nice.
[12:25] <graft> err, what distro, lupine_85?
[12:26] <james___> WOW COMPIZ ROX
[12:26] <james___> CUBE ROXXXORXXX
[12:26] <marsol0x> What is SIOC*
[12:26] <graft> yeah if you can get it to stand up for more than 10 seconds
[12:27] <marsol0x> Like SIOCFLAGS and such?
[12:27] <lupine_85> marsol0x: quite strange. maybe try increasing the timeout
[12:27] <marsol0x> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
[12:27] <marsol0x> DHCPOFFER from 192.168.2.1
[12:27] <lupine_85> SIOCFLAGS are ioctl flags, I believe
[12:27] <marsol0x> DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[12:27] <marsol0x> DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1
[12:28] <marsol0x> I keep getting permission denied and operation not permitted from those.
[12:28] <lupine_85> maybe sudo dhclient
[12:28] <marsol0x> Same thing.
[12:28] <lupine_85> graft: just kubuntu 6.10
[12:28] <intelikey> !sudo
[12:28] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:29] <marsol0x> I'm in the root shell while doing this, sudo does the same thing.
[12:29] <lupine_85> true enough :)
[12:29] <lupine_85> not sure what to suggest, really
[12:29] <lupine_85> dodgy driver?
[12:29] <intelikey> sudo from root is as useless as the tits on a boar hog.
[12:29] <marsol0x> I thought I fixed that.
[12:29] <lupine_85> lol
[12:30] <lupine_85> erm, I have to go now anyway
[12:30] <marsol0x> Thanks for the help.
[12:30] <lupine_85> np
[12:31] <driz> !OFFTOPIC
[12:31] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:32] <graft> who's offtopic?
[12:32] <tj_> hey i need help umm im on aim and i dont know how to setup my buddylist
[12:32] <graft> you're on aim? what client are you using?
[12:32] <tj_> kubuntu idk
[12:33] <tj_> wat do u mean
[12:33] <tj_> im linux noob
[12:33] <intelikey> i'm doing cp -aR /* /proc    and noticed that a lot of the binarries in /*bin are hard links...  how much more space will it take doing the cp?  cause it's sriting each file not hardlinking them. ???   (and yes /proc has something besides ram mounted on it)
[12:33] <graft> i mean what's your IM client?
[12:33] <tj_> koopete
[12:33] <tj_> kopete*
[12:33] <graft> ah... someone else?  i don't use kopete...
[12:33] <red_> graft: gaim works good
[12:33] <graft> ugly ugly
[12:34] <tj_> ok can sommebody else help here who has kopete's aim
[12:34] <marsol0x> I think in Kopete, you just set up your AIM account, it should do the rest.
[12:34] <red_> tj_: yea thats basically all you have to do with gaim as well
[12:34] <justin_> is there no gui in kde to config the network?
[12:34] <marsol0x> I've moved on the GAIM, though, Kopete is bulky.
[12:35] <tj_> yah i have an account already
[12:35] <graft> wait, intelikey, what? why to /proc?
[12:35] <intelikey> mount point
[12:35] <marsol0x> But I can't use it right now since my internet is being slow and I get timed out. :/
[12:35] <graft> intelikey: you couldn't find a better mount point than that?
[12:35] <red_> justin_: there is under system settings, and then network settings
[12:35] <intelikey> graft one is as good as another as far as i'm concerned
[12:35] <tj_> i need to know how to like acess my account or something to add someone to buddylist
[12:36] <marsol0x> Does anyone know a lot about wireless networks and getting them to work?
[12:36] <graft> err, but /proc is um, used for stuff?
[12:36] <justin_> nope don't see it red_
[12:36] <intelikey> not when i umount it it's not  :)
[12:36] <marsol0x> tj_, it should be somewhere in the menus to add a buddy.
[12:36] <Mojo_risin> hi, I'm trying to install dapper on my laptop acer aspire 1964, but can get xorg.conf right. Anyone with experience on this laptop?
[12:37] <Mojo_risin> (xorg.conf of previous kubuntu release doesn't work well)
[12:37] <red_> tj_: under the main start menu there should be a system settings right above the run
[12:37] <Kr4t05> The ubiquity installer for Dapper keeps giving me issues when it attempts to format a partition.
[12:37] <graft> what i'm curious about is will cp know not to recurse through /proc?
[12:38] <tj_> oh i found it it was create new group worked
[12:38] <red_> then ok
[12:38] <graft> marsol0x: what's your problem?
[12:38] <tj_> oh no it just gave it a folder and a name
[12:38] <intelikey> graft actually i didn't want to make a base dir and proc was the only base dir that wasn't (important)  so i used it.   not that it matters why or where.
[12:38] <tj_> will that work
[12:38] <marsol0x> I'm trying to connect to a wireless network without having to put in the broadcast IP, IP, netmask, etc manually.
[12:38] <marsol0x> It was working, and then one day it just stopped.
[12:39] <root__> man I think the gui's\kde\gnome still have a long way to go compared to explorer but thats imo
[12:40] <tj_> if my friend gets online will it show him even though hes a named category
[12:40] <red_> marsol0x: a program called Simple Wireless Scanner is a good one for easily connecting to wireless networks
[12:40] <intelikey> root__ i thought that explorer had a long way to go
[12:40] <intelikey> :)
[12:40] <marsol0x> I'll take a look.
[12:40] <graft> and if the gods smile upon you, network manager might even work
[12:40] <alagran> has anyone gotten compiz and Xgl to work with KDE?
[12:40] <graft> but what are the odds of that? slim to none
[12:40] <marsol0x> I see the network, but it wont connect for some reason.
[12:41] <tj_> o nm i found it out thanks for ur guys help cya la8er
[12:41] <graft> marsol0x: what's in your interfaces file?
[12:41] <intelikey> root__ i guess it all depends on where you are "going"  :)
[12:42] <marsol0x> auto lo
[12:42] <marsol0x> iface lo inet loopback
[12:42] <marsol0x> address 127.0.0.1
[12:42] <marsol0x> netmask 255.0.0.0
[12:42] <graft> err don't post it all here man
[12:42] <red_> marsol0x: ive had that problem where it just wouldnt pull an ip, but if i log into windows it would work just fine
[12:42] <marsol0x> auto eth0
[12:42] <marsol0x> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:42] <marsol0x> auto eth1
[12:42] <graft> ...
[12:42] <marsol0x> iface eth1 inet static
[12:42] <marsol0x> wireless-essid belkin54g
[12:42] <graft> !pastebin
[12:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:42] <marsol0x> wireless-mode managed
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: If when edgy is released kubuntu-desktop is requiring mono (then that is the end of {k}ubuntu for me)
[12:42] <marsol0x> netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:42] <marsol0x> address 192.168.2.24
[12:42] <marsol0x> gateway 192.168.2.1
[12:42] <marsol0x> mapping hotplug
[12:42] <marsol0x> script grep
[12:42] <marsol0x> map eth1
[12:42] <marsol0x> That's the problem I'm having now.
[12:42] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to tell if there's activity on a disk's device node before umounting it?
[12:42] <intelikey> dat' ll' get ya kicked mersol0x
[12:43] <graft> marsol0x: um, why are you defining address and gateway and netmask if you're using dhcp?
[12:43] <marsol0x> Because DHCP isn't working, that's the problem.
[12:43] <marsol0x> That's why I've set it manually.
[12:43] <intelikey> h3sp4wn mono ?
[12:43] <marsol0x> But it is super slow.
[12:43] <graft> oh, static i see
[12:43] <graft> shouldn't be
[12:43] <graft> dhcp is no better or worse than static, for the most part
[12:43] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn: say what?
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: For running #c (.NET) code on linux
[12:44] <Kr4t05> Oh, blah...
[12:44] <graft> maybe people will have to make more whatsit queries
[12:44] <jake1> I'm trying to find a program that can convert Binary to Decimal and Hex...... any suggestions
[12:44] <jake1> * gnomefreak removes ban on jadrifter!*@67.189.*!#ubuntu-ops
[12:44] <marsol0x> That's the problem. I really don't care how I connect to the router, just that it is slow now and it wasn't before, when DHCP was working.
[12:44] <jake1> oops
[12:44] <jake1> that last part was an accident
[12:44] <jake1> sorry
[12:44] <graft> ARP queries is what i meant
[12:44] <jake1> Octal to Decimal would also be nice
[12:45] <jake1> any suggestions?????
[12:45] <intelikey> h3sp4wn if when edgy is released it's any more like M$ i wont be using it either  :)
[12:45] <graft> marsol0x: that's probably some other problem, not your IP...
[12:45] <jake1> google hasn't turned up much results
[12:45] <root__> intelikey: one thing like copy and paste is horrid in linux distros but thats for offtopic
[12:45] <marsol0x> Oy
[12:45] <graft> jake1: kcalc!
[12:45] <intelikey> root__ copy and paste "horrid"  what you mean ?    are you smoking crack ?
[12:46] <graft> he wants persistent copy/paste buffers, maybe
[12:46] <marsol0x> Does anyone know why the SIOC stuff is permission denided and not permitted for use for root?
[12:46] <intelikey> root__ use the left mouse button to highlight  then the middle (or both on two button mice) to paste.
[12:47] <intelikey> graft well the [ctrl] +c/v  work like in that other os as well.
[12:47] <isidor> !paste
[12:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:48] <Kr4t05> BAH!
[12:48] <fokuslee> hi can anyone help me?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> klipper is ok
[12:48] <root__> graft: yeah
[12:48] <intelikey> and the klipper  makes it possabel to have more than one paste buffer  so...
[12:48] <Kr4t05> I'm trying to use the installer from the Live CD, and when it attempts to format any partition, it fails around 98%.
[12:49] <Kr4t05> I try to format with G/QtParted, and ubiquity ignores it and still decides that /dev/hda1 needs to be formatted.
[12:49] <jake1> thanks graft
[12:49] <isidor> !easyubuntu
[12:49] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[12:49] <jake1> graft: does that also do octal to decimal?
[12:51] <graft> jake1: yeah
[12:52] <fokuslee> hi can anyone help me with tar?
[12:52] <sebastian> hey how do i disable cool n quiet in ubuntu?
[12:52] <sebastian> when i disable it in bios the system wont start
[12:53] <jake1> sweet
[12:53] <intelikey> rootOwnsYou i think you just havent configured kde to preform to your taste yet.   linux is not (or didn't use to be) all about "we do this this way" but rather linux is all about choices, alternatives and customization and flexability.    everyong that i know of who has given linux half a chance has switched to it permanantly.
[12:53] <isidor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22870
[12:53] <isidor> can anyone help me with this?^
[12:54] <graft> isidor: no, that's hopeless... you should throw your computer out
[12:55] <graft> most municipalities accept curbside pickup of electronics on trash days
[12:55] <graft> what's your problem, j2re not installed?
[12:55] <graft> that's probably for the best, you don't want java anyway
[12:56] <isidor> I just need to play MP3s and it not working
[12:56] <intelikey> rootOwnsYou also noteworthy; don't come to linux as a newbee thinking that because you have used windows sense 1993 that you are a computer expert and should know every thing about this new os....  it doesn't work that way.  it's easier on some one that has never seen a computer to learn linux than on that formerly mentioned attatude.   (voice of experance)
[12:57] <graft> isidor: ah. that might be because of this:
[12:57] <graft> !mp3
[12:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:57] <sebastian> ok im back
[12:58] <sebastian> if i disable amd cool n quiet in bios then kubuntu will not boot up how can i fix this?
[12:58] <graft> don't disable it?
[12:58] <graft> is it kubuntu that won't boot, or does the machine simply not boot at all?
[12:58] <jake1> graft: just downloaded kcalc, but i'm having trouble figuring out what i need to do to convert bin-dec-hex-octal
[12:58] <Kr4t05> GAH!
[12:58] <sebastian> kubuntu wont boot
[12:58] <Kr4t05> That's it.
[12:58] <sebastian> windows xp will boot
[12:59] <graft> sebastian: what does kubuntu do?
[12:59] <graft> jake1: um, enter a number with 'base' set to Dec or whatever, and then switch to Oct or whatever and it'll convert it for you
[01:02] <sebastian929> graft: it gets stuck at 15.952774]  kernel panic - not syncing IO-APIC timer doesnt work! try using 'noapic' kernel parameter
[01:02] <intelikey> well it looks like a full backup of my fs is successfull.  now future incrimentals should be easy.  :)
[01:03] <Kr4t05> I'M GOING TO TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE I'M JUST COOL.
[01:04] <graft> sebastian929: um, try using 'noapic' kernel parameter, then
[01:04] <sebastian929> graft: how do i do that
[01:04] <Zamboulie> hi
[01:05] <graft> what's the name of the linux image you invoke? 'Linux'? or something like that?
[01:05] <graft> just invoke it with 'Linux noapic'
[01:05] <sebastian929> where do i put that tho? im new to ubuntu
[01:05] <sebastian929> well new to linux
[01:06] <graft> um, when grub starts up you can specify what kernel you want to boot with
[01:06] <graft> usually you just select from a list
[01:06] <sebastian929> and there shoudl be a option with noapic?
[01:06] <intelikey> graft should be /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`
[01:07] <graft> nah nah, not like that
[01:08] <graft> maybe this is just a lilo thing
[01:08] <pcnostics> where can I find some starter website templates for Quanta +?
[01:15] <intelikey> it's a shame i can't make a symlink that points to two inodes....
[01:15] <intelikey> then venella 'eject' would spit out both cds
[01:15] <Zamboulie> xgl is broken
[01:15] <sebastian929> ok
[01:16] <sebastian929> can someone please help me disable cool n quiet?
[01:17] <intelikey> sebastian929 i'd love to... unfortunately it's newer than any on my hardware so i have nothing to go by.
[01:17] <intelikey> i assume that it's a bios setting to enable cpu/fan control ?
[01:17] <skavenge> how can I automount my ipod on plugin to a specified directory?
[01:18] <sebastian929> yes but when i disable the bios setting
[01:18] <sebastian929> kubuntu hangs on boot
[01:18] <sebastian929> it starts booting up then hangs
[01:20] <connyosis> sebastian929: tried to disable powernowd at bootup?
[01:20] <connyosis> sebastian929: using sysv-rc-conf or something similar?
[01:20] <intelikey> sebastian929 can you boot with added options  vga=1  append="noacpi verbose "   and see where it errors/panics/stalls  and give me the info  i might be able to help you
[01:20] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[01:20] <pushpop-> how do you update your db for locate to pick up current files
[01:21] <skavenge> sudo updatedb
[01:21] <sebastian929> how do i do that intelikey?
[01:22] <intelikey> sebastian929 at the grub boot screen  press [esc]    select the desired entry and perss  E   then add those to the kernel and append lines   (assuming grub)
[01:22] <sebastian929> ok intelikey ill try that and ill brb
[01:22] <intelikey> k
[01:22] <eaglehawk> can anybody help me with sound problem
[01:23] <intelikey> eaglehawk what kind of sound issue ?
[01:25] <shadowhywind> hay everyone, anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant to start on startup?
[01:25] <intelikey> init scripts
[01:25] <intelikey> man update-rc.d
[01:26] <crimsun> wpa_supplicant does start automatically if you use interfaces(5) properly
[01:27] <intelikey> eaglehawk crimsun is the sound guy
[01:27] <shadowhywind> i really hate to say it, man update-rc.d is a little over my head this evening,
[01:27] <shadowhywind> *not the command the stuff in it*
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes (is all you need to know)
[01:28] <shadowhywind> hehe thanks
[01:29] <intelikey> shadowhywind  man interfaces   crimsun said that it's naturally started through there.
[01:30] <fokuslee> relayfs is only for multicore processor rite?
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: That document tells you how to set it up from /etc/network/interfaces
[01:30] <intelikey> but as a rule anything that starts at boot is via some kind of init script.   /etc/init.d/*   they in turn may use things like /etc/network/interfaces to configure the networking.
[01:31] <crimsun> (/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz is apropos, yes)
[01:32] <crimsun> for edgy+1, we'll be shifting away from /etc/init.d/
[01:32] <_pete> i get this error on startup: there are differances between boot sector and its backup.
[01:32] <fokuslee> !BLK_DEV_TO_TRACE
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about BLK_DEV_TO_TRACE - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <_pete> then it lists differances and says 'not automatically fixing this'
[01:33] <_pete> can i get some kind of hdd repair prog?
[01:34] <jake1> is there a simple KDE gui for mounting disk images
[01:34] <IMEC> does xdm create new MIT-MAGIC cookies every time it starts ?
[01:34] <intelikey> crimsun from /etc/init.d to ?
[01:35] <intelikey> jake1 idk about a gui.   sudo mount -o loop file.img /mount/point/you/select/
[01:35] <crimsun> /etc/event.d/
[01:35] <crimsun> (for upstart)
[01:36] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a way of testing to see if a driver would work in 32-bit or 64-bit version...
[01:36] <intelikey> i see.
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> Is /etc/init.d not part of the SYSV spec ?
[01:38] <intelikey> h3sp4wn i think they are moving away from sysv
[01:38] <intelikey> i had heard they were tring to deperciate it
[01:38] <obf213> firefox tries to open im links with gaim, i have kopete how do i change this, i looked in preference but i could find it
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Who was ?
[01:39] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: Scott has replaced /sbin/init .
[01:39] <intelikey> "they" was  :)
[01:39] <crimsun> it's called "upstart".
[01:40] <crimsun> upstart now deprecates and will obsolete sysvinit
[01:40] <intelikey> but they'll be supporting sysv for the duration of dapper.  no?
[01:40] <crimsun> yes.
[01:40] <gnomefreak> edgy maybe?
[01:41] <gnomefreak> or did they add upstart to dapper?
[01:41] <crimsun> no, dapper is released.
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ooh nvm sysv
[01:41] <intelikey> dapper is  lts aslo   else i wouldn't have switched to it
[01:41] <crimsun> edgy+2 is when all the init stuff will be obsoleted by policy
[01:41] <intelikey> also
[01:41] <akarticle> does anyone know how to get the kmenu transparent?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> does that mean /etc/init.d/gdm commands are gonna change?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> i just learned it :(
[01:42] <intelikey> gnomefreak yep
[01:42] <crimsun> gnomefreak: for edgy+1, they'll begin.
[01:43] <intelikey> gnomefreak but dapper is LTS   yall go on with edgy and what ever follows.  i'll skip them thanks.
[01:43] <gnomefreak> intelikey: :)
[01:43] <gnomefreak> i fixed 4 of my own nightmares today in edgy all works fine now
[01:44] <scast> From time to time I wonder why #ubuntu has 800+ users.
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: SGI has a proper support policy (even though they are obsoleting mips they still support it until 2013)
[01:44] <skavenge> how do i get kde to automount my ipod on plugin to a specific directory?
[01:44] <intelikey> scast cause everyone that uses ubuntu is in there ???
[01:45] <intelikey> h3sp4wn that might be over kill.  i'm not an extreemist about that.  a new release every 3-5 years is good.  :)
[01:45] <scast> intelikey: hmmm?
[01:46] <scast> I see.
[01:46] <intelikey> but two a year is extreem in the oppisite
[01:46] <ubuntu> hola
[01:47] <intelikey> my e's are too fast...
[01:47] <akarticle> does anyone know how to get the kmenu transparent?
[01:47] <james___> akarticle: er... install XGL?
[01:47] <intelikey> i think that's why teh is oefetn missepeeld
[01:47] <akarticle> james: ~_0
[01:50] <intelikey> well root___ seems to have either forgoten what he was doing killed the whole box or fixed his boot error....
[01:50] <obf213> it would be sweet if we could get the kmenu transparent
[01:50] <obf213> or change our bootsplahes. howo is that new bootsplash proj coming along anyone know?
[01:51] <obf213> splashy or w/e its called
[01:51] <jake1> :-\
[01:51] <intelikey> grub's usplash thing... ?    or the kdm splash screen ?
[01:52] <jake1> jake@jake:~/Desktop/Downloads$ sudo mount -o loop ./ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso ~/Desktop
[01:52] <jake1> :-\
[01:52] <jake1> but yet it did not mount to my desktop
[01:52] <intelikey> jake1 what error ?
[01:52] <jake1> no error
[01:53] <intelikey> jake1 ha ha i see the error.
[01:53] <jake1> it just went to jake@jake:~/Desktop/Downloads$
[01:53] <obf213> bootsplash
[01:53] <intelikey> when using sudo don't add ~ it's going to mount it in root's ~
[01:53] <jake1> ah
[01:53] <jake1> oops
[01:54] <obf213> you like the upower thing the blue kubuntu bar, they are workingon something so that we can change that
[01:54] <intelikey> umount it and try again
[01:54] <jake1> so how  do i unmount it
[01:54] <jake1> same thing? but with unmount?
[01:54] <obf213> lol i tried it a while a go splashy but it like effed up too much so i got rid of it
[01:54] <intelikey> sudo mount ./ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso Desktop -o loop
[01:55] <obf213> !splashy
[01:55] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[01:55] <intelikey> oh   sudo umount ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso
[01:55] <skavenge> splashy has issues with kde for some reason i have it running fine under gnome though
[01:55] <intelikey> jake1 that first ^
[01:55] <obf213> skavenge major issues lol. i was scared for a moment
[01:55] <intelikey> jake1  no N in umount  btw
[01:56] <jake1> umount: ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso: not mounted
[01:56] <jake1> jake:~/Desktop/Downloads$  sudo mount ./ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso Desktop -o loop
[01:56] <jake1> mount: mount point Desktop does not exist
[01:56] <intelikey> jake1 just to make sure you are in the right dir   do    'dc '
[01:56] <intelikey> cd
[01:57] <intelikey> cd always takes you to ~
[01:57] <jake1> yea
[01:57] <jake1> ok
[01:57] <jake1> that might be it
[01:57] <jake1> i was in ~/Desktop/Downloads
[01:58] <intelikey> if the iso is there you can't mount on a subdir of the image dir
[01:58] <intelikey> mount  ./blah ../ is sure to fail or do very strange things
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> You can with unionfs
[01:59] <jake1> jake@jake:~$  sudo mount ~/Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso  -o loop
[01:59] <jake1> mount: can't find /home/jake/Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:00] <intelikey> union doesn't cover up the mount point  :)
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> You use another mount point and can mount under that
[02:00] <intelikey> what did i just say jake.
[02:01] <jake1> they should just have a mount to desktop option when you right click
[02:01] <jake1> on the .iso
[02:01] <jake1> dnt use ~
[02:01] <intelikey> h3sp4wn correct.  subdir isn't the propper term.  higherarchial dir maybe ?   any one something ../ <repete as needed> can reach.
[02:01] <jake1> but it does not recognize /Desktop
[02:02] <jake1> and you also said don't do ./Desktop
[02:03] <intelikey> no i said don't do  sudo ~  it's the tild that expands to your home dir   and root's home is /root (default)  so sudo ~ is /root/  not /home/jake/
[02:03] <jake1> jake@jake:~$  sudo mount ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso  -o loop
[02:03] <jake1> mount: can't find ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:03] <jake1> is that right
[02:03] <jake1> well obviously not
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> sudo echo $HOME (gives your home dir)
[02:04] <intelikey> there is no mountpoint in that line
[02:04] <intelikey> sudo mount  ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso  -o loop ./something/
[02:04] <intelikey> but not ./Desktop/
[02:04] <intelikey> cause that wont work like you think.
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> It will work like you think
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> or he thinks
[02:05] <intelikey> you have to move the .iso out of Desktop to use Desktop for the mount point
[02:05] <intelikey> like he thinks   lol
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> sudo mkdir -p /media/iso && sudo mount ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternative-amd64.iso  -o loop /media/iso
[02:06] <jake1> jake@jake:~$  sudo mount ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso  -o loop /home/jake/Desktop/
[02:06] <jake1> ./Desktop/Downloads/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso: No such file or directory
[02:06] <jake1> jake@jake:~$
[02:07] <jake1> <accidentally named it alternative the first time
[02:07] <jake1> but even changing the name isn't right
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> use tab completion then you can't get the name wrong
[02:09] <jake1> wait......... wtf just happened
[02:09] <jake1> now i dnt have access to the directory
[02:09] <jake1>  i cnt open  ~/Desktop/Downloads
[02:09] <jake1> why what happened?
[02:10] <jake1> i didn't change privaleges
[02:11] <intelikey> jake1 you mounted something on Desktop
[02:11] <intelikey> duh
[02:11] <jake1> is mounted on desktop
[02:11] <jake1> nothing is mounted on desktop*
[02:11] <jake1> not that i can see anyways
[02:11] <intelikey> there is no desktop/*  except what ever is in .iso
[02:11] <jake1> WTF...... why does mounting an .iso need to be so complicated
[02:12] <jake1> huh???
[02:12] <intelikey> i told you it wouldn't work like you thought.
[02:12] <jake1> so how do i get it back?
[02:12] <intelikey> anything in a dir is covered by what ever you mount on that dir.    umount it.
[02:13] <jake1> nothing is mounted
[02:13] <jake1> i already tried that
[02:13] <intelikey> sudo umount Desktop
[02:14] <jake1> ok
[02:14] <jake1> i did that
[02:14] <intelikey> we seem to be getting no place very quickly.     sujestion    "man mount "
[02:14] <jake1> it did something since there was no error message
[02:14] <jake1> but i still cnt access the folder anymore
[02:14] <jake1> i had it open before just fine
[02:16] <jake1> dialogue box says "Unable to enter file:///home/jake/Desktop/Downloads. You do not have access rights to this location."
[02:16] <jake1> seemingly i cnt access any folder on my desktop
[02:16] <jake1> wtf happened?
[02:16] <red_> SUDO
[02:16] <red_> u have to type SUDO
[02:17] <red_> sudo
[02:17] <jake1> no........ i'm talking about just clicking on the icons
[02:17] <jake1> i didn't have to do this before
[02:17] <red_> oh...
[02:17] <red_> that does suck
[02:17] <Coffeeman> hey guys I was just looking at this webpage and saw that the 5.1.0 version of ubuntu has a windows wireless drivers program and am wondering if the kubuntu version has it too
[02:17] <jake1> it worked fine before i tried mounting file
[02:17] <jake1> WTF
[02:17] <jake1> this is so annoying
[02:17] <intelikey> jake here are some commands that you need to know a little about.      man chown    man chmod    man mount    df -h    mount    ls -l     they are all apropos to this issue.       and i suspect that you still have something mounted.      mount    will confirm that.
[02:18] <red_> my firefox sucks
[02:18] <red_> it keeps freezing
[02:18] <jake1> !pastebin
[02:19] <intelikey> i know that's a lot of reading.   but at least skim them, so you know what they do.
[02:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:19] <Coffeeman> hey guys I was just looking at this webpage and saw that the 5.1.0 version of ubuntu has a windows wireless drivers program and am wondering if the kubuntu version has it too
[02:19] <jake1> probably
[02:19] <Coffeeman> okay thanks
[02:19] <jake1> they are practically the same
[02:20] <intelikey> Coffeeman ndiswarper ?
[02:20] <killermach_> I moved a /home drive to from a Mandriva OS to a Kubuntu OS and now my login has a Kmenu that has a "Lost and Found" on it.. there is a BUNCH of entries in this lost and found
[02:20] <Coffeeman> it didnt work the first time I tried it
[02:20] <killermach_> I can not find the Lost and found by doing "cd ~ && grep -ir lost"
[02:20] <jake1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22877
[02:20] <jake1> there is my output to 'mount'
[02:20] <killermach_> how do I find and remove/correct these "lost/found" entries on the KDE menu?
[02:21] <intelikey> ./ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso on /home/jake/Desktop
[02:21] <intelikey> :)
[02:21] <intelikey> congratulations you mounted it.
[02:22] <intelikey> :)
[02:22] <jake1> but it's not there
[02:22] <jake1> it doesn't show on the desktop
[02:22] <jake1> and i still cnt open any of my files
[02:22] <jake1> nothing on the desktop can be accessed
[02:22] <jake1> WHY?
[02:22] <jake1> all i tried to do was mount the file
[02:23] <intelikey> your files in Desktop/ don't exist as long as that iso is mounted on Desktop/
[02:23] <intelikey> DON'T USE Desktop FOR A MOUNT POINT !
[02:23] <jake1> well in OS X i can
[02:23] <jake1> this is stupid
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> Mount under /proc instead (lol)
[02:24] <jake1> ok...... so i should umount it then
[02:24] <jake1> ?
[02:24] <jake1> and remount it in /proc
[02:24] <intelikey>  /mnt
[02:24] <jake1> or /mnt
[02:24] <jake1> w/e
[02:24] <h3sp4wn>  /media is what some spec or other says is best to use
[02:25] <intelikey>  /media/blah    even   mkdir blah   and mount it on ./blah
[02:25] <jake1> and if i mount it in a different directory will synaptic recognize it as a inserted disk
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> specifying the path directly I think is easiest
[02:26] <Coffeeman> can I use aircrack with ndiswrapper?
[02:26] <jake1> i tried to download a couple of packages and it required me to mount it somewhere else
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> jake1: use apt-cdrom (if you are just trying to use the deb's on it)
[02:27] <jake1> h3sp4wn and that way i won't have to insert the CD-rom in order to download + install packages
[02:27] <jake1> won't it still require me to insert the CD
[02:27] <jake1> i dnt want to have to carry the CD w/ me wherever i go
[02:28] <jake1> how would i umount that file now?
[02:28] <jake1> ./ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-amd64.iso on /home/jake/Desktop type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop/0)
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> I would just copy the deb's from the iso somewhere else and use file://
[02:28] <jake1> i want to umount that file
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> sudo umount /home/jake/Desktop
[02:29] <jake1> ok... good that worked
[02:30] <intelikey> cp them to /var/cache/apt/archives/    and you don't need to change anything  it will just use them in place of dling new ones.... unless an upgrade exists.
[02:30] <jake1> now i want to be able to install packages in synaptic without inserting the dapper install CD... i have the .iso on my computer
[02:30] <jake1> first i need to mount the .iso right?
[02:30] <jake1> before i can copy the dev
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> is anybody else having a problem with katapult?
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> Nearly everything on the dapper install cd is installed by default
[02:31] <wharf> Hi there, what program do i need in kubuntu to play mp3's
[02:31] <jake1> obviously not
[02:31] <_pete> !fsck > _pete
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <jake1> cuz it asks me to insert the CD
[02:31] <jake1> such as when i tried to install alien
[02:32] <timi> !mp3 >wharf
[02:32] <_pete> wharf: update your amarok thru universe repositories, try to play an mp3, and amarok will update
[02:32] <intelikey> jake1 it all becomes clear now.   what you really want is to remove the cdrom from the sources.list
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> jake1, open up adept and it should be the first listed
[02:33] <jake1> adept?????
[02:33] <intelikey> it was all for nought.
[02:33] <eaglehawk> yes
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> look though the menu at the top, look for something called "manage repositories"
[02:33] <eaglehawk> edit sourcelist in /etc/apt
[02:34] <_pete> hmm
[02:34] <intelikey> _pete what you need to know about fsck ?
[02:34] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me regarding webcam issues
[02:36] <_pete> trying to figure out what is wrong with my HDD, saw a random command in a forum so decided to look it up
[02:36] <jake1> eaglehawk: ok i'm in sources.list in /etc/apt via pico
[02:36] <jake1> now what should i comment out
[02:36] <intelikey> fsck=file system check
[02:36] <_pete> i found it on man :)
[02:37] <intelikey> _pete sudo apt-get install testdisk
[02:37] <_pete> intelikey ok ty
[02:37] <eaglehawk> first entry of cdrom..put a # there to ignore it just like the comments written where there is ## you just put one hash here
[02:37] <jake1> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 6.06.1 _Dapper Drake_ - Release amd64 (20060807.1)] / dapper main restricted
[02:37] <jake1> ?
[02:37] <eaglehawk> yes
[02:38] <eaglehawk> put a hash before deb and give one space
[02:38] <Coffeeman> hey question if I have a .deb folder how do I install it in konsole
[02:38] <intelikey> _pete testdisk is pretty good at finding and fixing borked partition/fs's   but nothing is perfect so use with caution.
[02:38] <intelikey> jake1 yes.
[02:38] <jake1> ok i did that
[02:38] <jake1> and saved
[02:39] <danpwn> hey all - first time linux user here
[02:39] <intelikey> you need to update the database
[02:39] <jake1> relaunched Synaptic and tried to install 'alien'
[02:39] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[02:39] <fildo> mornin ppl
[02:39] <jake1> and got the same message
[02:39] <jake1> it's night here fildo
[02:39] <jake1> oh
[02:39] <jake1> ok
[02:39] <fildo> lol . where is ya mate
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> What do you need alien for ? (It quite easily can mess up your system)
[02:39] <fildo> 10:40am . n just rocking outta bed on a friday . the night will be good sincei  have the day off
[02:40] <pierreth> is it possible to write a script to activate an application
[02:40] <intelikey> close the gui package manager or use it to update....
[02:40] <danpwn> can anyone walk me though how to get my extra mouse buttons working for navigating konqueror?
[02:40] <pierreth> danpwn: i was unable to do it for my own mouse
[02:40] <_pete> intelikey hmmm will the mbr function fix my boot prob maybe? error = differances between boot sector and backup
[02:40] <jake1> h3sp4wn to install some .rpms
[02:40] <eaglehawk> also do now apt-get update
[02:40] <danpwn> oh. thats kinda sucky
[02:40] <jake1> fildo: USA
[02:41] <Coffeeman> hey question if I have a .deb folder how do I install it in konsole
[02:41] <danpwn> no one makes drivers for an MX700 to make side buttons work?
[02:41] <fildo> jake1: crikey mate.
[02:41] <jake1> damn austrailians
[02:41] <eaglehawk> cannot install .deb folder you donnot get it
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> jake1: Get deb's - what is the program
[02:42] <eaglehawk> .deb folder is not binary
[02:42] <jake1> how do you feel about about Steve Irwin?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> a .deb is an ar archive
[02:42] <intelikey> _pete ;/   i'd need more info.   what prezactly is the issue and some specs from things like  fdisk -l  cat /boot/grub/menu.lst & device.map   maybe   lets start with "what is the problem?"
[02:42] <Coffeeman> file*
[02:42] <fildo> one crazy ass mother fucker that should of been taken by a croc . instead of a stingray
[02:43] <eaglehawk> binary debian package is .deb
[02:43] <_pete> intelikey when i boot i get a message that says there is an error: there are differances between the boot sector and backup
[02:43] <maltaethiron> !seen Ztem
[02:43] <ubotu> I haven't seen ztem recently
[02:43] <jake1> h3sp4wn Phoenix Object Basic
[02:43] <eaglehawk> can only be installed with dpkg -i whateverthename.deb
[02:43] <jake1> is the program
[02:44] <jake1> it's an .rpm file
[02:44] <_pete> intelikey i have not noticed any problems as a result of this beyond the error being reported, but i figure i dont know enough to decide whether or not that problem needs to be fixed
[02:44] <intelikey> _pete hmmm   not sure either.  when you boot linux or other os's  ?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> jake1: Can you get it as a .tar.gz ?
[02:44] <_pete> linux
[02:45] <sugarpill> Hello all, I am trying to install mplayer.. and im having some problems... could anyone point me in the right direction... here is what im getting http://pastebin.ca/163885
[02:45] <jake1> if i could i would
[02:45] <pierreth> can i activate a window with a script?
[02:45] <jake1> all .rpms
[02:45] <jake1> really i'm hoping it will run on my machine
[02:45] <jake1> it may be the 32-bit
[02:46] <jake1> and i still have yet to get chroot
[02:46] <jake1> i dnt know how to get that installed
[02:46] <intelikey> _pete i think i'd run 'testdisk' and let it search for things but not commit any changes to disk.   see what it finds.    that's a reasonable starting point.
[02:46] <jake1> WTF
[02:46] <jake1> it still is asking for the CD
[02:46] <jake1> to install that one Package
[02:47] <jake1> how do i do this without using the CD
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> have you run sudo apt-get update ?
[02:47] <jake1> yes i have
[02:47] <fildo> lol
[02:47] <jake1> quiet a few times
[02:47] <fildo> # he cd out ?
[02:48] <jake1> yep
[02:48] <intelikey> jake1 and you have no mention of  'deb cdrom*' in your /etc/apt/sources.list now ?
[02:48] <_pete> intelikey when i tell it to run a test, it comes up with an error right away and asks me if i would like to proceed
[02:48] <intelikey> _pete what error ?
[02:48] <_pete> intelikey warning: bad starting sector
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> jake1: pastebin the output of ``grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list''
[02:49] <_pete> intelikey and..      check_FAT incorrect size of partition
[02:49] <_pete> intelikey warning says the CHS and LBA don't match (whatever that means.....)
[02:50] <jake1> wait... i missed two 'deb cdrom*' thingys
[02:50] <jake1> hehe
[02:50] <jake1> commented them out now
[02:50] <intelikey> _pete yep i'd say you have a problem in the mbr    if you would make sure you have every thing important backed up   i'd fix that with that app.   assuming it will fix it.   (hoping it's not a bad sector/badblock)
[02:51] <_pete> intelikey k i'll do it on my lappy to (it has the same problem)
[02:51] <jake1> yay...... success
[02:51] <jake1> god bless america
[02:52] <jake1> fildo: so about that steve irwin character?
[02:52] <jake1> what you think?
[02:52] <eaglehawk> god bless you jake1
[02:52] <_pete> intelikey ahahah i think i lost everything....
[02:52] <_pete> intelikey oops
[02:53] <intelikey> _pete not likely.  keep going.
[02:53] <jake1> hey what happened to my battery monitor in my system tray
[02:53] <_pete> i run testdisk and it says no harddrive found
[02:53] <intelikey> no hd ?
[02:53] <intelikey> sudo
[02:53] <_pete> ummm ok
[02:54] <_pete> whew. ok
[02:54] <_pete> rofl i thought i nuked everything
[02:55] <intelikey> this is linux.  if you tell it to nuke it will nuke... but i didn't think you had.
[02:55] <_pete> wow man i dont think i should be messing with this prog
[02:56] <_pete> it is telling me to set partition types for each partition: windows, linux and swap
[02:56] <_pete> default is delete...........
[02:56] <jake1> how do i restart the panel?
[02:56] <Telroth`> hold on
[02:56] <Telroth`> jake1, "kicker" on the command line
[02:56] <Telroth`> _pete, what program are you using?
[02:57] <intelikey> sudo killall kicker && kicker
[02:57] <_pete> telroth' testdisk
[02:57] <intelikey> restart ^
[02:57] <Telroth`> and what is your goal for the drive?
[02:57] <Telroth`> intelikey, you are correct
[02:57] <intelikey> Telroth` mbr is borked
[02:57] <Telroth`> oh
[02:57] <_pete> telroth' when i boot linux it gives me an error
[02:57] <Telroth`> sudo grub-install
[02:57] <Telroth`> ;)
[02:58] <_pete> doesnt seem to affect anything, but i dont think i would notice anyway
[02:58] <Telroth`> err, sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[02:58] <intelikey> Telroth` but it's concerning partition tables   not just the grub app.
[02:58] <Telroth`> or whatever your drive is
[02:59] <Telroth`> OH his partition tables are gone?
[02:59] <_pete> hmm i wouldnt know but i am pretty sure grub works
[02:59] <jake1> ok....... why cnt i see my battery meter
 intelikey warning: bad starting sector   <_pete> intelikey and..      check_FAT incorrect size of partition  <_pete> intelikey warning says the CHS and LBA don't match
[02:59] <jake1> it exists there
[02:59] <jake1> cuz i can move my mouse over it and it tells me the time left
[02:59] <jake1> but it's nice to be able to see the icon
[03:00] <intelikey> Telroth` ^  a repost for you.
[03:00] <_pete> intelikey yeah that was when i was running testdisk as non-sudo
[03:00] <Telroth`> is the data accessable on the drive?
[03:00] <_pete> telroth' yea i can get to it all
[03:01] <Telroth`> ok
[03:01] <Telroth`> do you have a drive you can back it all up to?
[03:01] <_pete> the problem is that the boot record doesnt match the backup, thats what it says when linux starts loading
[03:01] <_pete> i dont have anything worth backing up
[03:01] <Telroth`> kk
[03:01] <Telroth`> sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[03:01] <Telroth`> type v
[03:01] <Telroth`> see what it says
[03:02] <intelikey> i am suspecting that the fat's are mismatched on the vfat partition.  and the mbr has "maybe" a bad number for partition size in it.    so i sujested  'testdisk'
[03:02] <intelikey> Telroth` unless hda is a filesystem  wont that fail ?
[03:02] <Telroth`> hda is a drive.
[03:02] <_pete> dude are u sure formatting will help?
[03:02] <Telroth`> hda1 is a partition
[03:02] <intelikey> oh n,
[03:02] <Telroth`> _pete, i'm not formatting
[03:02] <intelikey> i mis read.
[03:02] <matt__`> i am on a fresh install of kubuntu and trying to checkout a repo - but it won't work. I enter my password (i am 100% sure the password is correct), and it just keeps asking me to enter it again. and ideas what might be going on? It works fine on two other machines (windows and gentoo), so I am thinking maybe it has something to do with ubuntu?
[03:02] <_pete> i get the same error on my laptop as my desktop
[03:02] <Telroth`> the 'v' command in fdisk verifies the partition table
[03:03] <_pete> ok
[03:03] <Telroth`> and don't use fat32 if you can help it
[03:03] <intelikey> i read you as saying fsck  not fdisk.
[03:03] <Telroth`> stick with ext3, reiserfs, or even ntfs
[03:04] <intelikey> ntfs over vfat ????   hmm  linux fully supports vfat but not ntfs....
[03:04] <user_> !!fuse
[03:04] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:04] <_pete> according to fdisk::
[03:04] <_pete> aww man i dont want to paste a bunch
[03:05] <Telroth`> intelikey, i know, but i've been using ntfs write for several years
[03:05] <Telroth`> _pete, nomorepasting.com
[03:05] <pushpop> Hello all, I am trying to install mplayer.. and im having some problems... could anyone point me in the right direction... here is what im getting http://pastebin.ca/163885
[03:05] <intelikey> !paste
[03:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:05] <user_> !!mplayer
[03:05] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[03:05] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[03:05] <intelikey> !mplayer > pushpop
[03:05] <Telroth`> pushpop, is there any reason you need mplayer specifically?
[03:06] <Telroth`> try kmplayer first
[03:06] <Telroth`> then look into kaffeine
[03:06] <Telroth`> those are what i recommend
[03:06] <Telroth`> i know kaffeine installs
[03:06] <intelikey> or even vlc
[03:06] <Telroth`> it'll play any audio or video codecs that are installed, and it plays dvds
[03:06] <pushpop> Telroth: for MythTV
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> mplayer can play almost anything though
[03:06] <user_> then download xine allwin32codecs
[03:06] <_pete> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=68315
[03:07] <jake1> is there a particular reason why an executable file wouldn't run on ubuntu
[03:07] <jake1> i extracted the rpm
[03:08] <Telroth`> uh
[03:08] <jake1> and i found the executable
[03:08] <Telroth`> because the libraries aren't installed
[03:08] <jake1> it's for Linux
[03:08] <Telroth`> jake1,
[03:08] <Telroth`> sudo apt-get install alien
[03:08] <user_> strace -eopen ./file
[03:08] <intelikey> _pete you sure you got the right url ?
[03:08] <Telroth`> then alien --to-deb myfile.rpm
[03:08] <Telroth`> then dpkg -i myfile.deb
[03:08] <Telroth`> err
[03:08] <Telroth`> then sudo dpkg -i myfile.deb
[03:09] <_pete> intelikey yeah
[03:09] <jake1> Telroth i have installed alien
[03:09] <jake1> ah i see
[03:09] <user_> !!radeon
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about radeon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <user_> !!ati
[03:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <_pete> intelikey that's everything it says after i type the command:
[03:09] <_pete> fdisk /dev/hda -v
[03:09] <Telroth`> no _pete
[03:10] <_pete>  awww nm
[03:10] <Telroth`> sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[03:10] <Telroth`> after it opens
[03:10] <_pete> okokokok
[03:10] <Telroth`> type 'v' and hit enter at fdisk's command prompt
[03:10] <_pete> 5227 unallocated sectors
[03:11] <Telroth`> that's all it says?
[03:11] <jake1> ummm.......
[03:11] <_pete> yup thats it
[03:11] <Telroth`> try 'p', see if that prints all your partitions correctly
[03:12] <intelikey> hehhe all i get for that is  62 unallocated sectors....   i feel cheeted.
[03:12] <_pete> Telroth' no it doesnt
[03:12] <Telroth`> intelikey, because you're using more of your harddrive?
[03:12] <jake1> anyone know of a program that i can use as a replacement for Microsoft Visual BASIC that will run in Linux
[03:12] <jake1> ?
[03:12] <_pete> Telroth' i should have 3, windows swap and linux
[03:12] <Telroth`> jake1, apt-get install mono
[03:13] <intelikey> Telroth` :)
[03:13] <Telroth`> jake1, apt-get install mono-develop
[03:13] <_pete> Telroth' it has 4. one extended
[03:13] <Telroth`> (if you need a ms visual studio replacement as well)
[03:13] <jake1> indeed
[03:14] <jake1> wow...... linux does have quiet alot of replacements for m$ applications
[03:14] <Telroth`> _pete, as long as it boots it'll be ok
[03:14] <jake1> telroth` do you know if the interface is similar
[03:14] <jake1> ?
[03:14] <_pete> k cool ty man
[03:14] <charito> huhu, my amarok doesnt play mp3 and wma, what am i doin wrong
[03:14] <Telroth`> jake1, i've never actually gotten it working
[03:14] <jake1> oh
[03:14] <Telroth`> charito, where are the files?
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> jake1: I would never use mono
[03:14] <intelikey> _pete :)
[03:14] <charito> windows slice
[03:15] <jake1> well then..... i dnt see how i am going to get it working myself
[03:15] <charito> but mounted properly
[03:15] <Telroth`> jake1, mono-develop didn't work on my last system
[03:15] <Telroth`> but i haven't tried it on kubuntu
[03:15] <Telroth`> so it might work
[03:15] <jake1> h3sp4wn: i am taking VB in school
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> jake1: There is a program called kylix which is pretty visual basic like (but based on delphi)
[03:15] <Telroth`> charito, make sure your user has read priviledges
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> jake1: mono is C#
[03:15] <jake1> well......
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> jake1: I thought anyway
[03:15] <Telroth`> h3sp4wn, no
[03:16] <jake1> is there a way to program in BASIC
[03:16] <jake1> ?
[03:16] <Telroth`> h3sp4wn, it does vb.net as well
[03:16] <jake1> i need to be able keep up with my class
[03:16] <intelikey> some how i still doubt that over half of petes hd is unused...
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> Telroth`: So with mono-develop you can write visual basic code ?
[03:16] <charito> mounted in fstab like /dev /path vfat default,auto 0 0
[03:16] <Telroth`> I haven't actually gotten mono-develop installed on my last distro, and i haven't attempted on this one yet
[03:17] <Telroth`> charito, add umask=000 after auto
[03:17] <Telroth`> err
[03:17] <Telroth`> it's vfat
[03:17] <Telroth`> ncm
[03:17] <Telroth`> *nvm
[03:17] <jake1> can't find package mono-develop
[03:17] <jake1> :-
[03:17] <jake1> :-\
[03:17] <jake1> *
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> If you want .NET I would say use windows
[03:17] <intelikey> umask works for vfat
[03:17] <pushpop> How do you enable a application to load when X starts?
[03:17] <Telroth`> make sure you have multiverse and universe enabled
[03:17] <jake1> i have enabled
[03:17] <Telroth`> h3sp4wn, mono runs the programs fine i know
[03:17] <Telroth`> and it also compiles vb.net programs fine
[03:17] <jake1> all of them
[03:17] <Telroth`> i haven't tested mono-develop yet though
[03:18] <Telroth`> let me install it
[03:18] <intelikey> but dmask and fmask are more percise
[03:18] <charito> but xxms tells me to load the snddriver propery, it doesnt work too... but i can play CDs
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> Telroth`: The only mono apps I have used are dog slow
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> Telroth`: And use loads of memory
[03:18] <intelikey> well i don't.  i use 32m of ram.
[03:19] <Telroth`> h3sp4wn, i do have to admit i've never checked those stats
[03:19] <jake1> wait ...... i dnt know how to tell if i have multiverse installed
[03:19] <Telroth`> jake1, package name is "monodevelop", no dash
[03:19] <Telroth`> my bad
[03:19] <jake1> oh
[03:19] <Telroth`> bbl dinner
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> Is there any distro that refuses to use mono on principle ?
[03:20] <jake1> sweet
[03:20] <Telroth`> no h3sp4wn
[03:20] <jake1> as long as i can code BASIC i'm all set
[03:20] <jake1> pretty much
[03:20] <Telroth`> the principle of linux is to be the most compatable OS out there
[03:20] <jake1> i would still like to get WINE to work
[03:20] <Telroth`> which means they support mono
[03:20] <Telroth`> and windows ports
[03:20] <jake1> but i haven't been able to get chroot to work
[03:20] <Telroth`> and windows api translations
[03:20] <intelikey> h3sp4wn could be.  one of the more obscure ones....   or you could start one.   if you do refuse perl too  :)
[03:21] <Telroth`> jake1, don't need chroot with wine
[03:21] <Telroth`> wine does it's own chroot
[03:21] <Telroth`> just wine <path to exe file>
[03:21] <intelikey> 64bit
[03:21] <jake1> Telroth`: i'm on 64bit
[03:21] <Telroth`> oh, can't help there.
[03:21] <Telroth`> bbl guys
[03:21] <intelikey> !chroot
[03:21] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[03:21] <intelikey> !64bit
[03:21] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[03:22] <jake1> actually i tried that site
[03:22] <charito> if i run sudo apt-get isntall xmms for example, xmms and all its dependencies will be installed?
[03:22] <jake1> i got as far as the first step under "Setting up your chroot with debootstrap"
[03:22] <jake1> but then it didn't work
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I like perl (you can do alot with small amounts of typing) don't like python though
[03:23] <jake1> and no one in here or ubuntu could help me
[03:23] <intelikey> if you have the disk for it you could install both the 64 and the 32 then boot the 32 within the 64 vmware
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I don't think perl should be in the base system of any distro though
[03:24] <intelikey> h3sp4wn ok.  python then.   i just hate that *buntu demand perl and python both be installed.
[03:24] <jake1> does WINE do full screen emulation?
[03:24] <intelikey> sentiments h3sp4wn
[03:24] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[03:24] <intelikey> so no
[03:25] <nnn0> :)
[03:25] <intelikey> wine is an api
[03:25] <nnn0> more a compatibility layer
[03:25] <jake1> oh
[03:25] <jake1> i see
[03:25] <Kr4t05> It pains me to confess.
[03:25] <james___> omg i totally love xgl, and compiz
[03:25] <james___> i heard windows vista have copied it
[03:25] <Kr4t05> I am not a Fedora user. (But, I'll still hang around here. :D )
[03:26] <Kr4t05> now*
[03:26] <jake1> well i would love to get it to work on my 64-bit system if anyone is able to assist me with the directions on that wiki site
[03:26] <james___> it actually went pretty straight forward for m
[03:26] <james___> e
[03:26] <intelikey> yeah eye candy is sweet to the eye but it will rot the eyes teeth out.....
[03:26] <james___> yep, it makes me feel a litte dizzy
[03:26] <james___> eps the wobble thing
[03:26] <james___> i like the cube desktop tho
[03:28] <Knightlust> CC45 D51F B428 8C98 011C 0138 3D0D 1DE9 EDE9 C473
[03:28] <intelikey> Kr4t05 ssshh  mussent  ever mention another distro in here.  they get jelious.
[03:28] <Knightlust> ooops, sorry
[03:28] <Knightlust> pasted in the wrong window
[03:28] <Kr4t05> intelikey, rofl. Okay.
[03:28] <intelikey> :)
[03:30] <intelikey> slackware too
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> I was contenplating slackware (would use bsd if my soundcard worked properly in it)
[03:31] <Coffeeman> okay I have a .deb binary file how do I install it using konsole
[03:31] <intelikey> dpkg -i
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> Coffeeman: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[03:31] <Kr4t05> Coffeeman, you could right click and select Package Manager. :P
[03:32] <intelikey> or you could use mc  select it hit enter and execute the install script inside the .deb  :)
[03:33] <jake1> wats the directions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot mean when it says "Then append this line in /etc/dchroot.conf
[03:33] <jake1> below that it says 'mychroot /var/chroot
[03:33] <jake1> does append mean add ?
[03:33] <intelikey> means add it yes
[03:33] <jake1> ok
[03:33] <jake1> good
[03:33] <jake1> that's what i did
[03:34] <Coffeeman> how do i check teh state of ndiswrapper using konsole
[03:34] <jake1> intelikey could you take a look at Setting up your chroot with debootstrap on that wiki
[03:34] <jake1> and help me figure out that direction
[03:34] <jake1> the first step
[03:34] <intelikey> url ?
[03:35] <jake1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[03:35] <intelikey> nm
[03:35] <jake1> oh
[03:35] <jake1> lol
[03:35] <jake1> now i'm using dapper
[03:35] <jake1> so i replace breezy with dapper
[03:36] <jake1> and then i type  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ --arch i386'
[03:36] <jake1> is that right?
[03:37] <jake1> am i typing that command in right...if i want to run WINE on my 64-bit system
[03:38] <intelikey> buildd may need inturpreted.
[03:38] <intelikey> i.e. /var/chroot   or something like that.
[03:39] <jake1> i type it in just like that and i get 'E: No such script: --arch
[03:39] <jake1> "
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> you have --arch i386 twice
[03:40] <jake1> it told me to add it to the command line that they wrote if i want a 32-bit chroot on amd64
[03:40] <jake1> they wrote " sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[03:40] <intelikey> ooops modem reset
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> You wouldn't use --arch i386 twice I wouldn't have thought
[03:41] <jake1> well i'll try it both ways and see what happens
[03:42] <jake1> oooo...... wait
[03:42] <jake1> that looks like it is working
[03:42] <jake1> i'll brb... gotta check my hotdogs
[03:42] <intelikey> jake1 it says to change the breezy to dapper or what ever you have.
[03:42] <intelikey> did you do that?
[03:44] <larson9999> Teen's captor used C64 computer <[03:46] <jake1> yea i did
[03:46] <jake1> i changed it to dapper
[03:46] <intelikey> :)
[03:46] <jake1> it looks like it is working now
[03:46] <jake1> i removed the extra --arch i386 at the end of the command line
[03:46] <jake1> the directions are a little misleading
[03:46] <intelikey> you can edit them
[03:47] <intelikey> help others
[03:47] <jake1> ok......  now i'm a little lost
[03:48] <intelikey> give back to the community that has given you so (much ?)
[03:48] <jake1> it finished
[03:48] <jake1> looks successful
[03:48] <intelikey> next step
[03:48] <jake1> first it mentions 'depending on the given additional options (in square brackets,) debootstrap will build a chroot for the given architecture and variant.'
[03:48] <jake1> but what brackets?
[03:49] <jake1> i dnt want to ignore that step
[03:49] <jake1> i want to understand what i just did
[03:50] <jake1> i'll continue on to make it work without root
[03:50] <intelikey> if i stood under that, it means there are options that could have been used there.    but that wiki does need a face lift indeed.
[03:50] <jake1> ah
[03:50] <jake1> ok...
[03:50] <jake1> now i'll run the next command
[03:50] <jake1> or well commands
[03:51] <jake1> i dnt understand how this will help me to run wine on my x86_64
[03:51] <jake1> but...
[03:51] <jake1> ppl have told me that chroot is what i need to do such a thing
[03:51] <intelikey> you will be running it on i386  that's how.
[03:52] <jake1> ummm... whats it mean to do the following right after debootstrap.....
[03:52] <pushpop> Could anyone tell me how to mount a directory on 1 ubuntu machine to another remote computer in the same network?
[03:53] <jake1> the last output after the previous step was "I:  Base system installed successfully."
[03:53] <intelikey> see it's not that the hardware can't run it.  it's that the 64 bit os does not support it.    so you will run a 32bit shell within the running 64bit system and in that shell "chroot" wine can run.
[03:53] <jake1> does doing it like that slow it down?
[03:54] <intelikey> idk  i don't own a k8  :)
[03:54] <intelikey> wish i did.  but not enough to buy one yet
[03:55] <jake1> it was cheaper than an intel machine
[03:55] <jake1> that is why i got this
[03:55] <jake1> the whole laptop cost me $600
[03:55] <jake1> sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list #point apt-get to the right release
[03:55] <intelikey> pushpop nfs question....   i'm kinda network illiterate but maybe someone else can...
[03:55] <jake1> i assume i ignore the # in the second part
[03:55] <pushpop> =)
[03:55] <jake1> i dnt even know what that means to point apt-get to the right release
[03:56] <jake1> any ideas what that means?
[03:57] <lexinc> apt-get is a package manager
[03:57] <lexinc> you type apt-get then type help
[03:57] <satafterh> any one have a good source list, mine got messed up
[03:57] <lexinc> i haven't used it
[03:57] <intelikey> jake1 you mean like in the "sudo cp /etc/hosts /var/chroot/etc/ # avoid sudo warnings when it tries..."  line   the # will cause the shell to ignore the remainder of the line.  so if you copy and paste it wont matter.   if you type just stop at the # and save the key strokes
[03:58] <Hawkwind> !easysource > satafterh
[03:58] <Telroth`> back
[03:59] <jake1> intelikey: but how do i know if my apt-get is pointed at the right release?
[03:59] <jake1> what would be the right release for me ?
[03:59] <intelikey> you use dapper ?
[03:59] <jake1> yea
[03:59] <intelikey> you built the chroot for dapper ?
[03:59] <Hawkwind> Then look to see it has 'dapper' in the sources.list
[03:59] <jake1> yep
[03:59] <jake1> oh
[03:59] <intelikey> apt is pointed in the right dirrection.
[03:59] <Telroth`> jake1, if you look in sources.list
[03:59] <Telroth`> it'll be deb <url> dapper main
[04:00] <Telroth`> or deb-src <url> dapper main
[04:00] <jake1>  sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <jake1> this has breezy in the command
[04:00] <Telroth`> universe or multiverse might follow main
[04:00] <jake1> but also dapper
[04:00] <jake1> it says to point this at the right release
[04:00] <jake1> or at least it seems to
[04:00] <jake1> say that
[04:00] <intelikey> jake1 you built it right you don't need to change it...
[04:00] <jake1> i think he is using breezy though and not dapper
[04:01] <jake1> cuz in the previous command he made a point in telling me to change breezy to dapper or whatever release i am using
[04:01] <jake1> i'm building it for dapper
[04:01] <intelikey> jake1 yes and if you read prior to that you would see that the instructions are also for running a chrooted breezy on a dapper system   which you are not doing...
[04:02] <justin_> I apt-get installed some of the sony vaio utils for laptops yet after reboot they no longer work
[04:02] <justin_> any ideas?
[04:02] <jake1> huh?
[04:02] <intelikey> i seem to be confusing you.   i'll hush.
[04:03] <jake1> only that last bit confused me
[04:03] <Telroth`> jake1, do you want the chroot to have dapper or breezy?
[04:03] <jake1> well.... what's the difference
[04:03] <jake1> will it matter really?
[04:04] <Telroth`> dapper has more recent files i think
[04:04] <jake1> i believe i told it dapper
[04:04] <jake1> which is what i want
[04:04] <Telroth`> ok
[04:04] <jake1> but he's building it for breezy i think
[04:04] <Telroth`> that command you posted earlier sets the chroot up for breezy
[04:04] <jake1> i changed breezy to dapper when i typed it in
[04:04] <Telroth`> what are you using the chroot for?
[04:04] <jake1>  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:04] <intelikey> jake as long as the system and the sources.list are  ==  you are good to go.
[04:05] <jake1> is what i wrote
[04:05] <jake1> i'm using it primarily to run WINE
[04:05] <jake1> on my 64-bit
[04:05] <Telroth`> and wine doesn't run under a 64 system?
[04:05] <jake1> no
[04:05] <jake1> not without chroot
[04:05] <Telroth`> oh
[04:05] <Telroth`> ok
[04:06] <jake1> intelikey: how do i determine if they are?
[04:06] <intelikey> yes and the /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list should have all 'dapper' and no 'breezy' in it.
[04:06] <intelikey> you can check if you like.
[04:06] <Coffeeman> okay I need help I installed ndiswrapper, I installed ndisgtk, and when I try to open it from my system tray it doesnt open
[04:06] <jake1> after i paste "sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:06] <jake1> and run that command
[04:06] <jake1> i should check right?
[04:07] <matt_> is there something that resets /etc/resolv.conf? I modify it, but when i reboot it changes back
[04:07] <Coffeeman> wait with ndsiwrapper I put my .inf file in and it said invalid
[04:07] <intelikey> if you run that command it will change all dapper to breezy in that file.   thus mess it up for you.
[04:07] <intelikey> so if you ran it yes check.
[04:07] <jake1> ok...... crap
[04:07] <jake1> that's what i was asking basically
[04:08] <jake1> if that was meant for building a breezy system
[04:08] <jake1> which is what i thought he was doing
[04:08] <eaglehawk> ubotu
[04:08] <intelikey> sed is an inline editor  it can but used both ways.
[04:09] <intelikey> "sudo sed -i s/breezy/dapper/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:09] <lexinc> does anyone know where the source for the kernel is?
[04:09] <jake1> damn...... no it made it to breezy
[04:09] <jake1> so how do i turn it to dapper now
[04:09] <intelikey> "sudo sed -i s/breezy/dapper/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:09] <intelikey> sed is an inline editor  it can but used both ways.
[04:09] <jake1> oh
[04:09] <jake1> hehe
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> matt_: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[04:10] <jake1> ok there we go
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> matt_: #prepend domain-name-servers (unhash that line and edit as suitable)
[04:12] <jake1>  locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8  # or your preferred locale
[04:12] <jake1>  tzconfig  #Configure and use our local time instead of UTC
[04:13] <jake1> i dnt have to use tzconfig if i replace 'UTF' with 'EST' right?
[04:13] <jake1> since est is my local timezone
[04:14] <intelikey> echo bob | sed 's/b/l/g'
[04:14] <intelikey> right
[04:14] <zblach> hey dudes. how can I associate mp3 and m3u with xmms by default?
[04:16] <intelikey> prefered applications ?
[04:16] <jake1> intelikey: the last bit only applies if i live outside the US right?
[04:16] <jake1> he seems to be setting it up in Great Britain
[04:16] <jake1> i tried to write it as "locale-gen en_US.EST-8
[04:16] <intelikey> jake1 yup
[04:17] <zblach> intelikey: yeah
[04:17] <jake1> it says "Error: 'en_US.EST-8' is not a supported language or locale
[04:17] <jake1> "
[04:17] <jake1> which umm.... is not good
[04:17] <jake1> i speak US
[04:17] <jake1> not GB
[04:17] <crimsun> en_US.EST-8 is invalid
[04:17] <intelikey> jake1 drop   .EST-8
[04:18] <jake1> i am well aware of that crimsun
[04:18] <jake1> hence my problem
[04:18] <crimsun> if you know it's invalid, why are you passing it to locale-gen(8)?
[04:19] <jake1> so it becomes 'en_US.UTF-8' or 'en_US'
[04:19] <intelikey> 'en_US
[04:19] <jake1> crimsun: i was aware it was invalid after i wrote it and pasted it in here
[04:19] <crimsun> then use either en_US.UTF-8 or en_US
[04:19] <jake1> isn't UTF a timezone?
[04:20] <crimsun> locale-gen(8) accepts a whitespace-delimited list of first-column entries in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[04:20] <crimsun> UTF is a format
[04:20] <jake1> ohhhhhhhhh
[04:20] <crimsun> UTF-8 is an encoding for said format
[04:20] <jake1> he's confusing
[04:20] <Coffeeman> im trying to gert linuxant wireless card program to work i signed up for a thirty day trial but it doesnt give me a downloadble version I cant burn to a CD and put on my laptop
[04:20] <jake1> the guy who wrote this wiki
[04:21] <intelikey> that wiki does need a face lift indeed.
[04:21] <crimsun> use tzconfig(8) if you want to set the timezone
[04:22] <jake1> ok
[04:22] <jake1> got that set up
[04:22] <jake1> now do i want to build a Debian chroot?
[04:22] <intelikey> no
[04:22] <jake1> what is that?
[04:23] <intelikey> another os
[04:23] <jake1> i know that much
[04:23] <jake1> but If you want to build a Debian chroot on an Ubuntu system you need to point it at a Debian archive
[04:23] <jake1> why would anyone want to do that?
[04:23] <intelikey> idk.
[04:23] <justin_>            is there some wine gui config package?
[04:24] <intelikey> /j #winehq
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> jake1: Debian has newer packages - and usually they perform better
[04:24] <jake1> so do i want that h3sp4wn?
[04:24] <jake1> would that be better?
[04:24] <justin_> intelikey: in teh repos I mean
[04:25] <jake1> or will that interfere with ubuntu?
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> jake1: Probably wouldn't make much difference - but it would take up 1/3 of the diskspace for the debootstrap
[04:25] <Shadowhywind> hi all again
[04:25] <jake1> ah
[04:25] <jake1> so no
[04:25] <jake1> not worth it
[04:25] <jake1> basically
[04:25] <Shadowhywind> does anyone know of a way to check to see if a driver is 32 or 64-bit version?
[04:26] <intelikey> file blah
[04:26] <intelikey> ?
[04:26] <jake1> ok.... now i want to be able to run it as non-root
[04:26] <jake1> what's it mean to fix the user and root password?
[04:27] <madhatter_> what does it mean if i request an install in adept and it says break???
[04:27] <jake1> or do i even care if i run it as root or not?
[04:27] <jake1> that won't interfere with me running WINE will it?
[04:28] <jake1> or even running other i386 packages right?
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> jake1: You probably want to setup dchroot or schroot
[04:29] <Shadowhywind> quick question, anyone running edgy yet?
[04:29] <madhatter_> wouldn't work on my machine
[04:29] <jake1> h3sp4wn i am setting up dchroot right now
[04:29] <jake1> that is what i am talking about
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> So why would it need to be run as root ?
[04:29] <Shadowhywind> what kind of problems did you have madhatter?
[04:30] <jake1> i dunno
[04:30] <jake1> these are just the wiki
[04:30] <jake1> read it
[04:30] <jake1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> jake1: I don't need to read it I know how to do that
[04:30] <jake1> i am at Setting up a dchroot (non-root) environment
[04:31] <jake1> but i'm not sure how to properly set it up
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> make sure you have setup the bind's in /etc/fstab
[04:31] <jake1> that's next
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> make sure you have at least /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/sudoers /etc/resolv.conf copied to the chroot
[04:33] <jake1> sudo cp /etc/hosts /var/chroot/etc/ # avoid sudo warnings when it tries to resolve the chroot's hostname
[04:33] <jake1> what's that mean
[04:33] <jake1> how does one avoid a sudo warning
[04:33] <jake1> ?
[04:33] <intelikey> by     "sudo cp /etc/hosts /var/chroot/etc/"
[04:34] <jake1> ah
[04:34] <jake1> ic
[04:35] <intelikey> i told you everything after # is a comment
[04:37] <zblach> where can I find nice korganizer plugins?
[04:37] <james___> zblach: google
[04:37] <james___> ?
[04:37] <jake1> sudo editor /etc/fstab
[04:37] <jake1> doesn't work
[04:38] <james___> what do u wanna do jake1
[04:38] <jake1> i'm setting up dchroot
[04:38] <intelikey> entrupret "editor"
[04:38] <james___> kate? gedit?
[04:38] <intelikey> i.e.  sudo nano /etc/fstab
[04:38] <jake1> i put in vi, didn't work, then i did emacs, then pico
[04:38] <jake1> none work
[04:39] <jake1> root@jake:/# sudo nano /etc/fstab
[04:39] <jake1> sudo: nano: command not found
[04:39] <james___> wtf?
[04:39] <jake1> i tried everything
[04:39] <jake1> none work
[04:39] <jake1> wtf
[04:39] <intelikey> path  hosed ?
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> I expect you are in the chroot atm
[04:39] <jake1> yea
[04:40] <intelikey> echo $PARH
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> apt-get install vim
[04:40] <jake1> root@jake:/# echo $PATH
[04:40] <jake1> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[04:40] <intelikey> nano is default in *buntu-base  so it's installed.
[04:40] <intelikey> you are in the chroot now ?
[04:41] <jake1> intelikey yes
[04:41] <Coffeeman> whats my root username?
[04:41] <jake1> root
[04:41] <Coffeeman> nvm iuts
[04:41] <Coffeeman> lol
[04:41] <Coffeeman> i r teh king newblet
[04:41] <intelikey> should be a   /usr/bin/nano
[04:42] <jake1> ok i got vim working
[04:43] <intelikey> Coffeeman if you mean the root-jr of the ubuntu world it's the first user account.   grep 1000 /etc/passwd     should tell you.
[04:43] <brandon_> I forgot how to install flash
[04:43] <jake1> :-\
[04:43] <jake1> none is working
[04:44] <jake1> vim isn't working
[04:44] <brandon_> i remember it was like sudo cp / then something
[04:44] <jake1> i thought it was
[04:44] <bballr> hello
[04:44] <bballr> anyone there
[04:44] <intelikey> !flash
[04:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:44] <Slayer4blind> yes
[04:45] <killermach_> adept is broken
[04:45] <Slayer4blind> which link?
[04:45] <Slayer4blind> I'm brandon
[04:45] <bballr> do you know if the new Gnome 2.16 is going to be out for the next version of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:45] <killermach_> it hangs on installing an update for sun-java-bin
[04:45] <intelikey> jake1 maybe try  sudo apt-get install nano   in that chroot you are in.
[04:45] <bballr> as far as packaged with it?
[04:46] <Coffeeman> okay I installed the linuxant wireless thing and registered and all that jazz, now how do I use it?
[04:46] <killermach_> I have removed /var/lib/dpkg/lock and cannot get anthing to install/unstall/upgrade
[04:46] <killermach_> enyone know how to unbreak dpkg/adept/synaptic?
[04:46] <Healot> some one encourage me to install ubuntu in real mode :)
[04:47] <intelikey> killermach_ what's the error ?
[04:47] <killermach_> I know the microsoft method would work.. format.. reinstall.. but I don't think this should be necessary
[04:47] <intelikey> Healot why ?
[04:47] <killermach_> intelikey: it asks if I'm root
[04:47] <intelikey> gluton for punishment ?
[04:47] <jake1> intelikey
[04:47] <jake1> nvm
[04:47] <jake1> i got it
[04:47] <jake1> i had to exit
[04:47] <jake1> then edit the file
[04:47] <jake1> then mount
[04:47] <jake1> then viola
[04:47] <jake1> it was all set
[04:48] <Coffeeman> okay I installed the linuxant wireless thing and registered and all that jazz, now how do I use it?
[04:48] <intelikey> killermach_ sudo echo root
[04:48] <killermach_> intelikey: first when clicking apdept updater icon in systray it hangs while upgrading java
[04:48] <jake1> ok now to install WINE
[04:48] <killermach_> then if I goto konsole and do "aptitude install synaptic" I get "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[04:49] <jake1> synaptic is open
[04:49] <jake1> close it
[04:49] <jake1> oh wait
[04:49] <jake1> do sudo
[04:49] <jake1> then that command
[04:49] <killermach_> so I kill any running "ps ax|grep adept" PIDs and rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:50] <intelikey> you manually remove the lock and wonder why it breaks.....
[04:50] <Slayer4blind> what is the command to install flash player?
[04:50] <killermach_> intelikey: it does what is asked, it prints root and returns the commandline
[04:50] <Slayer4blind> I forget the commands
[04:50] <intelikey> killermach_ ok it's not sudo  sudo apt-get install -f
[04:51] <intelikey> what does it say ?
[04:51] <Coffeeman> does anyone use driverloader by linuxant
[04:51] <MrObvious> !flash
[04:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:51] <killermach_> after killing adept PIDs and removing var/lib/dpkg/lock, I run aptitude install synaptic, it states there are upgrades waiting .. or words to that effect I enter "Y"
[04:52] <jake1> is WINE available via apt-get
[04:52] <killermach_> after that it states "E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?"
[04:52] <jake1> ?
[04:52] <MrObvious> yup
[04:52] <jake1> was that yup for me?
[04:52] <intelikey> yup
[04:52] <MrObvious> jake1: Do you have multiverse/univverse
[04:52] <MrObvious> ?
[04:52] <jake1> is the package name just WINE
[04:52] <jake1> yes
[04:52] <intelikey> !info wine
[04:52] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[04:52] <MrObvious> !info wine
[04:52] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[04:53] <MrObvious> lol
[04:53] <MrObvious> Is there an echo in here?
[04:53] <killermach_> intelikey: thank you.. apt-get install -f .. is installing java.. and running from konsole I was able to answer Sun's questions and accept the agreement
[04:53] <Coffeeman> can someone help me out getting my wireless working>?
[04:53] <Slayer4blind> mrobvious, it doesn't tell me the command to install it
[04:53] <MrObvious> !ask
[04:53] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:54] <jake1> WTF
[04:54] <Coffeeman> i have a few times...
[04:54] <jake1> my root password does not work in chroot
[04:54] <jake1> why not
[04:54] <intelikey> just ask your stinking question  </school teacher voice>
[04:54] <Coffeeman> im trying to get wireless on my laptop, i got the freetrial from linuxant and I installed and all that stuff and I dont know what to do now.
[04:54] <MrObvious> Slayer4blind: It's there.
[04:54] <killermach_> intelikey: so dpkg isn't broken, the systray icon updater is broken since it doesn't display terminal questions that need answering and the update hangs
[04:54] <Slayer4blind> i don'tsee it
[04:55] <MrObvious> You can use adept or whatever (apt-get probably) to install it.
[04:55] <intelikey> jake1 cause you didn't cp the /etc/passed to /var/chroot/etc/
[04:55] <MrObvious> It's under Macromedia Flash on the right on that menu.
[04:55] <Slayer4blind> I read it and it doesn't have adobe flash
[04:55] <MrObvious> Number 10
[04:55] <Slayer4blind> which link?
[04:55] <jake1> intelikey i did type that in
[04:55] <jake1> is it to late now
[04:55] <jake1> ?
[04:55] <MrObvious> First one.
[04:55] <MrObvious> !flash
[04:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:55] <Slayer4blind> ok
[04:55] <Coffeeman> im trying to get wireless on my laptop, i got the freetrial from linuxant and I installed and all that stuff and I dont know what to do now.
[04:55] <Rhodri> hi, i'm trying to install packages from the ubuntu alternative cd, but don't know how to do it (i don't have a net connection to get them online).  can anyone point me in thr right direction please?  thanks
[04:56] <stealg__> hi how can i install a pack .deb ?
[04:56] <robotgeek> Rhodri: usually, you pop it in and it asks you
[04:56] <intelikey> killermach_ the hung update in a sense broke dpkg  the apt -f == fix missing  which is fick'en it
[04:56] <robotgeek> Rhodri: you can add the cd using apt-cdrom tool
[04:56] <Rhodri> apt-cdrom, ok that sounds straught forward
[04:56] <Rhodri> thanks!
[04:56] <Coffeeman> im trying to get wireless on my laptop, i got the freetrial from linuxant and I installed and all that stuff and I dont know what to do now.
[04:57] <jake1> intelikey, ... is it to late to do now?
[04:57] <intelikey> jake1 no, not too late.   exit the chroot   and cp the files from etc  over
[04:58] <jared777> I am trying to get sound working on sites such as youtube and google video, I told firefox to use AOSS and it worked once and no longer works.  Anyone have any ideas to fix this annoying bug?
[04:58] <Coffeeman> im trying to get wireless on my laptop, i got the freetrial from linuxant and I installed and all that stuff and I dont know what to do now.
[04:58] <killermach_> intelikey: thank you again.. I'm new to .deb installs.. I'm changing over from nearly 10 years of Redhat and Mandrake
[04:58] <jake1> still did not work
[04:58] <jake1> i did that
[04:58] <robotgeek> stealg__: sudo dpkg -i file.deb, or right click install
[04:59] <intelikey> killermach_ there are lots of simularities, but a lot of differances as well.  you'll catch on quick.   man apt-get  is a good start
[04:59] <jake1> intelikey, nothing
[04:59] <jake1> same results
[04:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> jared777, make sure no other sound applications are running
[05:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> including the KDE sound server (setttings -> sound & multimedia -> sound server -> disable)
[05:00] <intelikey> killermach_ they bost that dpkg is so much better than rpm   but i have actually had more trubble with it than i ever had with rpm and urpmi    but both work in their own right.
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> ive had little trobuel with any of them :P
[05:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> ditto
[05:01] <killermach_> intelikey: thank you and goodnight.
[05:01] <Slayer4blind> hey look it's doc
[05:01] <intelikey> jake1 in the chroot do  passwd    and see if you can set your passwd  then if so   sudo passwd should let you set the root passwd as well....
[05:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> apt-get install <package> OR google <package> debian, download, dpkg -i <package>
[05:01] <intelikey> killermach_ np
[05:02] <intelikey> jake1 you didn't forget  /etc/shadow  did you ?
[05:03] <jake1> no
[05:03] <jake1> it asked me to configure it
[05:03] <jake1> and i did
[05:03] <jake1> it asked me my shadow password
[05:03] <jake1> and i gave it to it
[05:03] <jake1> and it's not working
[05:04] <jake1> :-\
[05:04] <intelikey> jake1  so enter as root  and skip the formallities.
[05:04] <jake1> well i jst did that
[05:04] <jake1> and it worked
[05:04] <jake1> i typed in from mychroot 'su root'
[05:04] <jake1> and entered the passwd
[05:04] <jake1> and it worked
[05:04] <intelikey> when my system won't let me in.  i kick the damn door down and enter anyway.
[05:04] <jake1> lol
[05:06] <intelikey> "so you are root, you think you have power in linux.  well i'm INIT prepare to die !   ha ha ha </evil laughter>
[05:06] <intelikey> or somethin like that
[05:06] <intelikey> :)
[05:07] <intelikey> kernel ?   no!  no!   don't panic kernel  </end init>
[05:08] <Coffeeman> how do I use kwifimanager to connect to my wireless networkwork (has encryption)
[05:09] <robotgeek> Coffeeman: dont use it. use something better like knetworkmanager
[05:09] <intelikey> Coffeeman you
[05:09] <robotgeek> kwifimanager is evil :)
[05:10] <intelikey> Coffeeman you "might" have better luck in ##linux   seeing that no one is answering in here.    i was about to say...
[05:10] <Coffeeman> lol
[05:11] <Coffeeman> so its not possible at all ot use kwifimanager even though it says im connected, and all that jazz but my Local IP is unavailible
[05:12] <robotgeek> Coffeeman: its evil, and hopefully in edgy, kde-network manager will come installed by default :)
[05:13] <intelikey> Coffeeman i wish i could answer that... but you are playing in the other end of the pool from me...  i'm CLI and init heavy.  GUI and network light.   ;/
[05:13] <Coffeeman> ok thanks ill check out the other channel
[05:14] <zinfacter> hi
[05:14] <intelikey> zinfacter
[05:14] <zinfacter> yes?
[05:15] <intelikey> yes
[05:15] <zinfacter> huh?
[05:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> zinfacter, i think intelikey meant to say "can I help you?"
[05:16] <intelikey> normally it is expected that when someone enters and expresses a greeting, they want a responce....  but obviously not always.
[05:16] <zinfacter> oh lol
[05:17] <eaglehawk> anybody who tried alsa 1.0.13rc1 with acer
[05:17] <zinfacter> this is my first time using kubuntu, kind of a linux noob. just installed on my laptop
[05:17] <intelikey> welcome to the other side of computing
[05:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> intelikey, if that's what you were going for, then you should respond with a greeting and not an attempt to call specific listening attention to yoruself asif you are about to ask a question.
[05:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> zinfacter, we're here to help you
[05:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> you have working internet, which is a major plus ^^
[05:18] <zinfacter> heh, as simple as plugging a network cable in ;p
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> (linux sucks when you have no clue how to solve a problem *and* have no ip)
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> (s/ip/internet/)
[05:18] <intelikey> Telroth_Plushie| to respond with the name of the greeted is customary greeting around here.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Telroth_Plushie|,  as opposed to windows.. that just sucks all the time. :)
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> yes Dr_Willis
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> ;)
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> well
[05:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> depends
[05:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> in all honesty
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Been readint that Ubuntu Hacks book today by Orieally.
[05:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'm definatly rebooting into windows if i plan to do any gaming
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> its got some nifty articals in it.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Ive been removing most of my windows games.. they are are just bla.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> games are just bla these days to me.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> hl2/cs:s/ut2k4
[05:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> can't leave those behind ^^
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Bla, Bla, and Bla.
[05:19] <zinfacter> i just beat Prey, which is a cool 'windows' game ;d
[05:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh, and TA is a great game
[05:20] <eaglehawk> anyone tried the logitech web cam
[05:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> i think it'll wine though
[05:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> eaglehawk, can't say I have
[05:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> bbiab
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> when im downloading torrents.. my ping is too high to play FPS's  (which i suck at anyway), i hate MMORPG's.  and RTS are just click-fests
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:20] <eaglehawk> so does it work
[05:21] <zinfacter> i enjoy anarchy online sometimes
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> Ive been trying to play that "Oblivian" game. but egads.. it just Drags ON and on and on...
[05:21] <intelikey> mmo?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> looks nice... but other then that..
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> and Running over People in GTA:WHatever - got old. :)
[05:22] <intelikey> Dr_Willis mmo ?  in mmorpg's ^
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Massive Munchkin Obsessive RPGs :P
[05:23] <intelikey> ok.
[05:23] <intelikey> never heard that exp
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> I think i still have GuildWars installed.. but last i played it - it was one big Spam of "want to buy, want to sell, lets gamble, spam" :)
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> then they took out the '/roll' command
[05:25] <intelikey> oh that kind of mmo
[05:25] <bLaZeD> !mysql
[05:25] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:28] <intelikey> i've played two games for more than 5 minutes in linux...   thought i might use a diversion and looked for a good "lowend" but with graphices rpg....    still looking for one...
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> nethack owns :P
[05:29] <intelikey> it seem that all i can find either have no graphics   or are one dimentional in structure.
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> heh.. amazing how much depth some of those games have.
[05:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> Dr_Willis, play falconseye?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> Telroth_Plushie|,  the fancy gfx distract from the game :)
[05:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> nah :P
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> umoria, is another neat one
[05:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> play planeshift?
[05:29] <zinfacter> is there an easy way to connect to my ftp server through kubuntu?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> I dident care for planshift
[05:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> zinfacter,
[05:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> open konqueror
[05:30] <zinfacter> ok
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> zinfacter,  a web browser. :P
[05:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> type "ftp://username@my.ftp.server.com
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> or any of the dozen other ftp clients/tools out there
[05:30] <zinfacter> alright, cool
[05:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> but kio slaves are cool!~
[05:30] <intelikey> Dr_Willis the ones you mentioned nethack...  have graphics ?
[05:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can use them in apps as well
[05:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> intelikey, no
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  classic graphics. :P
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> @ --> you
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> d --> a dog
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> intelikey, but falconseye is nethack + graphics
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> there are variants with more graphical graphics
[05:31] <intelikey> Telroth_Plushie| ok.
[05:31] <obf213> i want to dock my Kontact how do i do that
[05:31] <intelikey> i'll look.
[05:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> bbiab
[05:34] <intelikey> Q.  "egoboo - 3D dungeon crawling adventure in the spirit of NetHack"   does 3d in that sense refer to gfx or game play ?
[05:35] <zinfacter> gfx
[05:35] <intelikey> i don't have highend hardware.  tuxracer is too much for this system.
[05:35] <intelikey> figures.
[05:36] <intelikey> ty
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> go to 'the linux game tome' and look at all tehg screen shots. :P
[05:38] <intelikey> i found 'wesnoth' it runs fine and has the makings of a good game EXCEPT it's one dimentional in the games story line.   you have no choices "literally none"  you go to map 1 then to map 2 then 3   you get the feeling of just kinda watching the show... not really being involved.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> "Rocks and Diamonds" is a great game.
[05:39] <intelikey> i cant do that.  i don't have all year.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> if you like the old boulder-dash kind of game.
[05:40] <intelikey> i looked at t&d  it was one of the less than 5 minutes bunch
[05:40] <intelikey> err r&d ^
[05:42] <intelikey> i'm a "let me explore, let me try something that the programmer didn't expect, and see what happens... "  kinda fellow...  :)
[05:43] <intelikey> i guess that's part of the reason i have kubunt installed on /dev/sda  mounted nosuid    and that sort of thing...
[05:43] <intelikey> "they said it couldn't be done."   so i did it.
[05:47] <intelikey> or the reason i formated half an dh then made a partition on the other half and formated it.   "it can't be done." but i did it anyway.   and it will work.
[05:51] <intelikey> me and my dislexic typing...   s/dh/hd/ ^
[05:56] <intelikey> the reason i run x on tty5  rather than 7...  customize everything leave nothing default.   not even the kernel...   idk.   being cripled don't help i guess....
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[06:03] <ryan_> anyone know a good program for unpacking a rar file ark wont do it
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> ark can do it..  if you install the rar packages
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> !rar
[06:05] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[06:06] <ryan_> where do i get the package
[06:09] <Dr_Willis>  For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression.
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !info rar
[06:09] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.30-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 236 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for i386)
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> !info unrar-free
[06:10] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> use the package manager of your choice and isntall them :) assuming you got the universe repository enabled.
[06:11] <ryan_> DR_Willis- thnks
[06:14] <StrudelNinja> Hey, I went to connect my Kodak Z740 to this computer for the first time and it's not in the list of supported cameras
[06:14] <StrudelNinja> can I access the SD card on it somehow?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> plug it in.. see what dmesg says
[06:17] <intelikey> StrudelNinja if it can be set to 'disk' mode it will be /dev/sda  most likely.
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> it may show up as a usb-drive
[06:18] <StrudelNinja> when I plug it in it's recognized as a camera, but the only option in the box is to open it, which leads to one empty folder
[06:19] <abattoir> Jucato, Hawkwind: Guys, I'm really sorry for letting you down like this :(
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> got a usb card reader? that may be the easiest way
[06:19] <StrudelNinja> no I don't
[06:19] <StrudelNinja> I got this camera back when I had a win box in my room, and it's worked fine
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> google for that camera - its possible some of the photo tools support it.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> or break down and buy one of thise 8 in one - media readers
[06:22] <StrudelNinja> yeah it just auto mounts as a usb imaging device
[06:23] <StrudelNinja> ok so I opened adept and I'm having a BIG problem. well a "small" problem
[06:23] <StrudelNinja> I was messing with my fonts and now, my fonts in KDE programs (adept, kmail, konquerer) are all miniscule
[06:24] <StrudelNinja> and the fonts in the tooltips when I hover over items in my menu bar is gigantic
[06:24] <StrudelNinja> I can't find a way to change them back
[06:26] <intelikey> kcontrol
[06:29] <StrudelNinja> none of the fonts in there change the fonts I mentioned when I change them
[06:30] <StrudelNinja> odd
[06:31] <StrudelNinja> now the tooltips are giant, but the others were fixed
[06:35] <RawSewage_> I think someone's stealing my wifi.  how do I check
[06:36] <unix_infidel> determine what ips are leased and match them up to known mac's on your net.
[06:37] <[-KaSatKa-] > Whenever I edit files with kate, it makes a file like "Filename.html~" why does it do that?
[06:37] <RawSewage_> I have no clue about any of that stuff
[06:37] <unix_infidel> RawSewage_: you're router's browser configuration should tell you all you need ta know.
[06:40] <intelikey> [-KaSatKa-]  backup of the origenal is  blah~
[06:41] <intelikey> so you can restore it.
[06:43] <[-KaSatKa-] > Is there a way to turn that off?
[06:45] <intelikey> man kate.   or select help from within kate.
[06:50] <james_xxx> were there anyupdates today that may have broken X?
[07:04] <fignew> wow, I never realized, Konversation is really good
[07:04] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:05] <word> I have a hard drive hooked up..that's bad-ish..i didn't realize this until putting 80 gigs of recordings...i have space for them elsewhere..but after moving about a gig of data it crashes..it seems that a lot of seeking sets it off...is there a way i could limit the seeking so it was a REALLY slow yet stable transfer?
[07:05] <fignew> word: in konq?
[07:05] <word> anywhere
[07:06] <fignew> I'd transfer one file/folder @ a time
[07:06] <fignew> because chances are that it's one or two files that are corrupted
[07:07] <fignew> and when they fail, the whole transfer fails
[07:08] <fignew> also, when you do manage to transfer your data, md5sum it just to make sure everything is intact
[07:11] <bLaZeD> can anyone tell me where mysql keeps its database's?
[07:11] <word> fignew: it's all tv recordings mainly so that's 1.1 - 2.2 gig files for the ones that aren't transcoded
[07:12] <fignew> that makes it easy :)
[07:13] <word> i do have some music and video files. but all of  the ones i've tried (i think all) are causing the drive to stop :-/
[07:14] <fignew> bLaZeD: are you trying to make a backup?
[07:14] <fignew> if so, you have to dump the DB
[07:14] <fignew> into a .sql file
[07:15] <bLaZeD> i just wanted to know...im new to using mysql and i found a howto...and it says to edit /make a new db.....
[07:15] <fignew> hehe
[07:15] <fignew> there's no directory for that
[07:16] <bLaZeD> k i wasnt sure...but thanks
[07:16] <fignew> you have to run "mysql"
[07:16] <fignew> and that'll give you a console
[07:16] <bLaZeD> yea ive figure dout that much
[07:20] <word> fignew: how do you get the md5 of a file?
[07:21] <weas3l> i'm wondering if someone here may have an answer to an install question i have in regards to installing kubuntu onto a laptop... i am able to get into the desktop on the desktop cd, and i am able to open the examples folder, but when i try to run the install, the program never fully loads...
[07:21] <weas3l> any advice?
[07:21] <fignew> md5sum
[07:21] <fignew> md5sum *
[07:21] <fignew> there's a way to compare the md5 sum of two folders
[07:21] <fignew> but I've never used
[07:21] <fignew> it*
[07:22] <link_36p> anyone here tried looking glass?
[07:22] <fignew> weas3l: yea, throw that disk away and download the alternative ISO
[07:22] <word> fignew: I had downloaded a knoppix iso to it a couple weeks ago..that when i burned didn't work..and i just compared the md5 sums..and they aren't the same...
[07:23] <fignew> what two things are you comparing?
[07:23] <fignew> the CD and iso?
[07:23] <fignew> becaus that won't work
[07:24] <word> no the two isos
[07:24] <word> i'm redownloading it to the same drive now just to make sure..
[07:25] <weas3l> thanks fignew
[07:26] <fignew> ah hah
[07:26] <ccherrett> what are the first steps to getting a printer working in kubuntu
[07:26] <fignew> I'm guessing you're downloading via http/ftp
[07:27] <word> Kmenu -> System settings - > click the printer icon - > add new printer
[07:27] <fignew> so the location you download it from should also have a blah.md5 file somewhere nearby
[07:27] <word> yah does that change the md5? :-/
[07:27] <ccherrett> thank you
[07:27] <word> yah
[07:27] <fignew> well, I always download my ISOs via Bittorrent
[07:28] <fignew> and bittorrent makes sure the data it download's is not corrupted
[07:28] <fignew> HTTP/FTP don't
[07:28] <fignew> actually, I have no idea why they sometimes fail to download properly
[07:28] <plugs> hi, i can't change permissions on a folder, i get Could not change permissions error. what should i do.
[07:29] <hhhhhddddzzz> hi all i'm bored
[07:29] <hhhhhddddzzz> ...and drunk
[07:30] <word> plugs: do you have priviledges to the folder?
[07:30] <jmichaelx> ok, can simply switching the type of mouse one uses break X?
[07:30] <ubuntu> hey guys
[07:30] <word> jmichaelx: not break..just cause it to not start up :P
[07:30] <hhhhhddddzzz> who's HAL?
[07:30] <ubuntu> harware access layer?
[07:30] <word> hardware abstraction layer?
[07:31] <word> meh
[07:31] <hhhhhddddzzz> he said somethin' 'bout hibernate failed...
[07:31] <fignew> yea, cause you to have to edit your Xorg config file
[07:31] <jmichaelx> word: i just found that out the hard way..... and with a lot of pain and agony lol
[07:31] <hhhhhddddzzz> yet hybernate worked fine???
[07:31] <ubuntu> hhhhhddddzzz:  u have to have the dbus service running in background
[07:31] <ubuntu> make sure it is running
[07:31] <hhhhhddddzzz> ... ithink...
[07:31] <hhhhhddddzzz> ohhhh thanx
[07:32] <hhhhhddddzzz> i'lll look into that
[07:32] <word> jmichaelx: heh should always either be ready to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf or do sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:32] <jmichaelx> word: why would X recognize a USB mouse, but refuse to start when i switched to a PS/2?
[07:32] <ubuntu> try /etc/init.d/dbus start
[07:32] <ubuntu> then use hibernate
[07:32] <ubuntu> kool np
[07:32] <word> jmichaelx: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.1
[07:32] <plugs> word, i'm not sure
[07:33] <jmichaelx> word: i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.... i HATE that lol
[07:33] <fignew> jmichaelx: I switch back and fourth all the time
[07:33] <ubuntu> jmichaelx:  i do too :)
[07:34] <ubuntu> bbl
[07:34] <jmichaelx> word: what happened, is that i added one of those switches that allow you to use two PCs with one monitor/keyboard/mouse
[07:34] <jmichaelx> and then x would not start
[07:35] <word> x is picky that way
[07:35] <jmichaelx> and.... i was actually using the same USB mouse, but i put a USB to PS/2 adapter on it
[07:36] <fignew> jmichaelx: do you have two monitors?
[07:36] <fignew> because if you did you could get some synergy action going on
[07:36] <jmichaelx> fignew: i only have one hooked up to these 2 PCs
[07:36] <jmichaelx> i have like 7 monitors lol
[07:36] <fignew> ok
[07:37] <fignew> then you must check out synergy
[07:37] <jmichaelx> ok, sounds interesting
[07:37] <fignew> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
[07:37] <jmichaelx> ty, i'll check that out
[07:37] <fignew> let's you move your mouse between two (or more) screens (each plugged into a different comp.)
[07:38] <jmichaelx> fignew: now  that sounds totally awesome
[07:38] <fignew> har!
[07:38] <weas3l> ugh... is it supposed to take about 5 minutes to accept the changes to my time settings?
[07:40] <jmichaelx> i am gonna have to get this who mouse issue straightened out.... these 2 PCs are sharing a monitor and a keyboard nicely, but i have to have 2 mice on my dek...
[07:40] <jmichaelx> whole*
[07:41] <hhhhhddddzzz> howa 'bout a better command than find?
[07:43] <StrudelNinja> Anyone know where to change the font for tooltips on my taskbar, and the font for my torrent listings in ktorrent? I think they're one in the same, but only general will change them, and then all my other fonts get too small
[07:43] <hhhhhddddzzz> come on don't make me go to meadors lol
[07:43] <hhhhhddddzzz> good q Stru*
[07:49] <abattoir> StrudelNinja: look in Kcontrol/System Settings->Appearance..->Fonts
[07:50] <StrudelNinja> I have
[07:50] <StrudelNinja> like I said, the only way to make them smaller is to change general, which makes everything else unreadable
[07:51] <StrudelNinja> the same goes for when I change the menu font
[07:51] <StrudelNinja> the menus at the tops of windows are readable
[07:51] <StrudelNinja> but my kmenu becomes huge
[07:53] <abattoir> StrudelNinja: hmm, then i'm not sure there is a way to change that
[07:54] <ccherrett> word:when installing the printer driver it complains that it does not have the proper permissions to install the driver. Do I need to to run this from command line with sudo?
[07:55] <word> when in the printer menu (before clickign on add printer) you need to click on the bottom right - > administrative mode
[07:55] <ccherrett> ok
[07:55] <word> this will put you in the printer settings as 'root' which is simmilar function to sudo in command line
[08:00] <Dackel> Erste deutsche Zenwalk-Community: http://www.zenwalkers.de
[08:01] <fignew> Das heir ist kein Deutschen zimmer
[08:03] <halfbloodprince> hello, folks
[08:04] <fignew> yo
[08:05] <ccherrett> word: I entered in administration mode but it tells me that hpijs does not exist. Does that driver need to be downloaded?
[08:05] <word> ccherrett: does the driver for the printer have multiple entries?
[08:06] <fignew> fios :-O
[08:06] <word> click on the one that isn't currently selected
[08:07] <ccherrett> do you mean when it askes you to select a port?
[08:07] <ccherrett> or when it asks you to select a model?
[08:07] <ccherrett> word^^
[08:08] <word> model
[08:10] <ccherrett> word: ADD -> local printer (parallel, serial, USB) -> HP 930C
[08:10] <ccherrett> that was my steps
[08:10] <ccherrett> should I select the 930C unser the other node?
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> can i scan using gimp
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> like i do in photoshop
[08:11] <ccherrett> file->aquire
[08:11] <ccherrett> halfbloodprince^^
[08:13] <ccherrett> word: I seem to get the same error no matter what printer I choose
[08:14] <word> ccherrett: sudo apt-get install hpijs
[08:15] <fignew> if that is already installed, try sudo /etc/init.d/hplip restart
[08:15] <ccherrett> fignew: thanks
[08:15] <word> fignew: well the knoppix iso i redownloaded is fine md5 checks out :-/
[08:16] <halfbloodprince> question: If I run the Live CD, will I be able to save stuff?
[08:16] <word> halfbloodprince: depends on a few things, the distro, and if it's an r/w cd
[08:17] <halfbloodprince> word: thanks
[08:18] <fignew> sleep! HAH!
[08:18] <fignew> I still have alot of Homework
[08:18] <word|sleep> ;p
[08:18] <fignew> luck for me the library is open all night
[08:20] <Healot> kubuntu-desktop+ubuntu-desktop in 14 minutes ho
[08:21] <fignew> hmm?
[08:21] <tulga> can I decode executable bin file?
[08:24] <fignew> tulga: the best you can do without much work is strings
[08:24] <fignew> strings /usr/bin/firefox-bin
[08:24] <fignew> for example
[08:25] <tulga> fignew: ok, tnx
[08:42] <kristina> i have problems with my gdesklets!  icant add a starter to the starterbar
[08:42] <Jucato> I didn't know gDesklets could run on KDE?
[08:42] <osh_> kristina: gdesklets, isn't that a gnome-thing? if so, perhaps #ubuntu is a better channel.
[08:43] <abattoir> Jucato: they run, as does superkaramba on Gnome... but might not run very well
[08:43] <ccherrett> fignew: I have hpijs installed restarted and in administrator mode and it still complains that the I do not have permissions or the driver is not installed
[08:43] <Jucato> ah
[08:43] <abattoir> Jucato: stuff like transparency/translucency might not work
[08:43] <fignew> hmmm
[08:43] <Jucato> and GNOME specific commands/features
[08:44] <fignew> ccherrett: is the printer plugged in via USB?
[08:44] <ccherrett> fignew: it also errors on other drivers other than the hp specific one
[08:44] <ccherrett> yes
[08:46] <fignew> ok run sudo kaddprinterwizard
[08:46] <fignew> and if that doesn't work, run a lsusb and paste the part (if any) about the printer in here
[08:49] <fignew> w00t
[08:49] <Healot> finally on ubuntu
[08:49] <fignew> finally got this wiki working
[08:49] <fignew> :P
[08:55] <ccherrett> fignew: that got it thanks
[08:55] <ccherrett> must have been some permissions problems
[08:56] <fignew> w00t :)
[08:57] <ccherrett> fignew: thanks you
[08:57] <fignew> no prob :-O
[08:57] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:57] <ccherrett> fignew: I am trying out a 19" wide monitor and the right hand side of the screen is missing. do I just need to add a new resolution to xorg.conf?
[08:59] <scast> where can I find what's coming new in kubuntu edgy?
[08:59] <fignew> yep
[08:59] <fignew> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:00] <fignew> go down to the screen section
[09:00] <ccherrett> fignew: cool I will google for the new res settings
[09:00] <grxmrx> Is it possible to have other mime settings for konqueror as www browser and other for konqueror as file/directory browser?
[09:00] <imbrandon> weekly news letter is a good start
[09:01] <imbrandon> ccherrett, " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " is MUCH easier and less error prone
[09:01] <imbrandon> grxmrx, yes but you'll have to google to find out how, as i dont rember right off
[09:02] <imbrandon> but it is possible
[09:02] <fignew> I'd rather just add "1280x1024" to a file :P
[09:02] <fignew> that's all the change would be after all...
[09:03] <imbrandon> fignew, at times, sometimes the hardware dosent support it with the current diver config and you wouldent know it
[09:03] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[09:03] <imbrandon> as i said less error prone, specialy to those that dontr know
[09:03] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[09:03] <fignew> I dunno... if it's a matter of drivers you would just change vesa to nv or whatnot
[09:04] <imbrandon> fignew, sure if you knew that, but someone new dosent
[09:04] <fignew> He does know though... because I'm here :P
[09:05] <fignew> anyways, it's a good learning experience
[09:05] <imbrandon> hrm ok let me put it diffrent, the prefered way is to do it with the config tool ( that also backs up the file etc )
[09:06] <imbrandon> so its good to tell them the prefered way even if you offer an alteritive
[09:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:06] <fignew> you see, this preferred way only works in a few distros
[09:06] <fignew> my way works in all
[09:07] <imbrandon> fignew, sure, and we're only talking about kubuntu here , and kubuntu's audiance ;)
[09:07] <imbrandon> makes it simple huh ;)
[09:07] <Jucato> :)
[09:07] <fignew> perhaps in the future he wont be running kubuntu
[09:08] <fignew> because you know, distros come and go
[09:08] <imbrandon> i dident say dont tell him about it, i just said please offer the preferd way if ytou do offer an alternative ;)
[09:08] <lupine_85> imbrandon: universal is always better. Besides, IME dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg leads to the possibility of much more breakage
[09:08] <fignew> It's just that there's alot of things that tool can't do
[09:08] <imbrandon> fignew, perhaps so, and perhaps not but we are getting offtopic, lets take it to #kubuntu-offtopic if you wish to bicker more, i was just simply telling you the prefered way
[09:09] <fignew> I never wanted to bicker :/
[09:09] <imbrandon> lupine_85, universal isnt always better ;)
[09:10] <imbrandon> other wise it wouldent matter what distro you choose
[09:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:10] <lupine_85> why not use xf86config ? ;)
[09:10] <imbrandon> lupine_85, probably becouse its not installed on a default config
[09:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:10] <Healot> there isn't any by default
[09:10] <lupine_85> ?!
[09:11] <lupine_85> and here was me thinking that dpkg-reconfigure just acted as a wrapper round it
[09:11] <imbrandon> and probably becouse its an xorg server not xf86 ;)
[09:12] <lupine_85> xorgconfig ?
[09:13] <imbrandon> ...
[09:13] <lupine_85> *shrug*
[09:13] <lupine_85> I'm out of date :)
[09:13] <fignew> I am too :(
[09:13] <Healot> yup. we can see that clearly
[09:13] <lupine_85> all these new-fangled things ;)
[09:13] <fignew> all flashy and stuff
[09:13] <tulga> fignew: I tried strings. but not good result. any idea?
[09:14] <fignew> tulga: what are you trying to do?
[09:14] <tulga> fignew: I tried extract bin file
[09:14] <fignew> ohh
[09:15] <Healot> chmod +x filename; ./filename
[09:15] <Healot> heh... most of the time taht works
[09:15] <fignew> [02:22]  <tulga> can I decode executable bin file?
[09:15] <fignew> confused me :(
[09:15] <imbrandon> depends on the file and what you mean by "decode" heh
[09:16] <fignew> I thought he wanted to decode binary executables
[09:16] <tulga> yes. then I tried strings. but not good result
[09:16] <imbrandon> tulga, what are you trying to do ?
[09:16] <fignew> do what Healot said
[09:17] <tulga> fignew: no. I don't need execute bin file
[09:17] <imbrandon> tulga, what are you trying to do ?
[09:17] <tulga> I need to know that what include bin file
[09:17] <fignew> chmod +x filename.bin; ./filename.bin
[09:17] <fignew> there
[09:17] <imbrandon> what kind of bin file
[09:17] <imbrandon> there are many types of binary files
[09:18] <tulga> that is my problem
[09:18] <tulga> I don't know what types
[09:18] <imbrandon> fignew, he just said he dident want to execute it
[09:18] <imbrandon> tulga, where did ytou get it from , what are you TRYING to do ?
[09:18] <fignew> meh
[09:19] <lupine_85> "what include"...
[09:19] <lupine_85> are you trying to get out something inside the .bin file?
[09:19] <tulga> some guys give me executable bin
[09:19] <lupine_85> like an archive?
[09:19] <fignew> tulga: do: "file file.bin"
[09:19] <tulga> I think they use my code
[09:19] <fignew> and tell us what it says
[09:19] <tulga> test.bin: data
[09:19] <lupine_85> ah :)
[09:20] <lupine_85> strings would be your best bet for that sort of thing
[09:20] <fignew> LOL!
[09:20] <lupine_85> round in a complete circle ;)
[09:20] <tulga> I tried strings. but not good result
[09:20] <magical_trevsky> in my xorg.conf, i have a line saying Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 320M (RS200 IGP)"       Driver          "ati", is this the same as the open source radeon driver (because direct rendering is on, so i'm kinda confused about why it doesn't say the driver is called "radeon")?
[09:20] <lupine_85> in that case, they probably didn't use your code
[09:20] <lupine_85> any more involved analysis would have to involve decompilation
[09:21] <fignew> and that's a pain
[09:21] <imbrandon> magical_trevsky, yes ati is the opensource radeon
[09:21] <lupine_85> just a bit
[09:21] <magical_trevsky> imbrandon, cool, thanks :D (now to try and get xgl to work right :p)
[09:21] <lupine_85> there is a program that tries to generate C from assembly... but without debug symbols, it's basically assembler organised into functions
[09:21] <ccherrett> anyone know what the 19 widescreen resolutions are. I tried editing my xorg.conf to use 1440x900 but upon restarting X there was no change
[09:21] <fignew> tulga: you could also run the program through strace
[09:22] <tulga> ok
[09:22] <fignew> and see if it does anything like your program :/
[09:22] <tulga> it is embedded software
[09:22] <tulga> I have files only. then I cannot run it
[09:23] <fignew> ccherrett: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:23] <tulga> but I saw, it was working like my program :(
[09:23] <lupine_85> tulga: you could always issue a court summons and see if he gets scared
[09:23] <imbrandon> brb afk
[09:24] <lupine_85> but if you can't run it, and nothing shows up in strings, then you're running out of options
[09:25] <tulga> lupine_85: ok. have you any idea?
[09:25] <Healot> anyone with a duel-core CPU?
[09:25] <fignew> Healot, why?
[09:25] <Healot> AMD X2
[09:25] <Healot> seen the 4way CPU in Windows? with duel-core+HT?
[09:26] <fignew> that's weak!
[09:26] <lupine_85> tulga: no sorry.
[09:26] <Healot> i would like to have the screen shot of 4 way CPU, on the task manager CPU tab
[09:26] <fignew> a dual, dual core is better ;)
[09:26] <lupine_85> I only have experience with code->binary, not the other way around
[09:27] <Healot> since, i don't have any duel-core CPU
[09:27] <tulga> lupine_85: can you suggest me other channel?
[09:27] <fignew> like this: http://renderfred.free.fr/4TaskManager.gif
[09:28] <lupine_85> sorry, tulga
[09:28] <lupine_85> no idea
[09:28] <tulga> ok :)
[09:28] <fignew> http://www.gamepc.com/images/labs/rev-opteron275-taskmanLG.jpg
[09:28] <imbrandon> fignew, wow windows with an osx theme ;)
[09:28] <Healot> yeah, thanks a lot fignew
[09:29] <imbrandon> Healot, i'm on a amdx2 3400+ atm
[09:29] <Healot> a duel core with HT
[09:29] <imbrandon> no windows though
[09:29] <Healot> cat /etc/cpuinfo for me
[09:30] <lupine_85> no dual core here :(
[09:30] <imbrandon> plus i have a coreduo lappy next to me and a celeron in the other room and a few other misc computers arround the house ;)
[09:30] <Healot> sorry /proc/cpuinfo
[09:31] <imbrandon> on what one? the amd ?
[09:31] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'birdofprey': Linux 2.6.17-7-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3400+ at 1000 MHz (2005 bogomips), HD: 65/139GB, RAM: 654/686MB, 109 proc's, 59.36min up
[09:31] <imbrandon> brb afk
[09:31] <lupine_85> 1GHz?
[09:32] <imbrandon> lupine_85, cpu throttleing, i only have irc runinng
[09:32] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: time to get some more RAM.
[09:32] <Healot> cat /proc/cpuinfo >> to pastebin of course
[09:32] <imbrandon> Healot, i will when i get back, gotta run , bbiab ( ~20 minutes )
[09:32] <lupine_85> ah
[09:32] <imbrandon> unix_infidel, yea
[09:33] <imbrandon> unix_infidel, i only use this machine once in a GREAT while
[09:33] <imbrandon> most of the time its off
[09:33] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: heh, yea.
[09:33] <unix_infidel> i have a 2.6ghz box i just started using again, at 512 now, needs an upgrade and soon.
[09:34] <imbrandon> 98% of the time i'm on my 2.9 ghz celeron , or on my buildd cluster
[09:34] <imbrandon> anyhow REALLY afk
[09:34] <tulga> I need to get full file information. which program I use?
[09:43] <ccherrett> fignew: all fixed thanks
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[09:51] <tulga> what is most powerful binary decoder?
[09:52] <fignew> ask #c++
[10:29] <Kabal> the fixxes after the broken X.. are they safe to install? don't want to crash my laptop...
[10:29] <lupine_85> Kabal: no problems with them here
[10:29] <Kabal> lupine_85: oke thanx :)
[10:29] <lupine_85> I'm running 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[10:31] <eeos> I have problem in playing / streaming asx file with kaffeine
[10:32] <eeos> anyone who can help out there?
[10:36] <abattoir> eeos: wmv?
[10:36] <eeos> abattoir what does wmv mean?
[10:37] <abattoir> eeos: make sure you have win32codecs installed
[10:37] <abattoir> eeos: what processor?
[10:37] <eeos> abattoir amd 64
[10:37] <abattoir> eeos: Windows Media Video, nvm
[10:37] <eeos> abattoir sory :)
[10:37] <abattoir> eeos: do you have the 64-bit version of Kubuntu ?
[10:37] <eeos> abattoir yes
[10:38] <abattoir> eeos: i'm afraid you cant play it out of the box - directly
[10:38] <abattoir> eeos: you'd need to set up a chroot
[10:38] <abattoir> eeos: are you using konversation?
[10:38] <eeos> abattoir yes
[10:38] <abattoir> eeos: can you type /sysinfo ?
[10:38] <daniloc> Sysinfo for 'Daniloc': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlonXP1800+ at 1533 MHz (3070 bogomips), , RAM: 244/250MB, 101 proc's, 40.48min up
[10:38] <daniloc> :)
[10:38] <abattoir> daniloc: i didnt ask you :)
[10:39] <daniloc> i know, just testing ;)
[10:39] <abattoir> daniloc: hi, btw :)
[10:39] <abattoir> eeos: ??
[10:39] <eeos> abattoir cannot run syinfo
[10:39] <daniloc> hi abattoir )
[10:40] <andrea> hi all. i installed netbeans 5.0. but the fonts look weird. How can I make it use the standard fonts of the OS?
[10:40] <eeos> abattoir would uname -ra do the same?
[10:40] <abattoir> eeos: sure, you could give me that output too
[10:41] <eeos> eeos@kubuntu-laptop:/sys$ uname -ra
[10:41] <eeos> Linux kubuntu-laptop 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:35 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:41] <eeos> eeos@kubuntu-laptop:/sys$
[10:41] <eeos> here it is
[10:41] <eeos> sorry for head and tail :(
[10:41] <daniloc> !commands
[10:41] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:41] <abattoir> !info sun-java5-fonts
[10:41] <ubotu> sun-java5-fonts: Lucida TrueType fonts (from the Sun JRE). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 112 kB
[10:41] <abattoir> andrea: ^^^^ try installing that
[10:42] <andrea> ok lemme try
[10:43] <eeos> abattoir did you receive the uname -ra?
[10:43] <abattoir> eeos: nope
[10:43] <abattoir> oh sorry, yes
[10:43] <eeos> abattoir :)
[10:44] <abattoir> eeos: as i said before, they are 32-bit codecs, and dont work w/ a 64-bit system
[10:44] <abattoir> eeos: you might either want to install the 32-bit version of Kubuntu, or setup a chroot
[10:44] <eeos> abattoir I already have a 32 bit chroot for some development
[10:45] <andrea> abattoir: i was talking about the font used by the IDE itself
[10:45] <abattoir> eeos: aah, ok, then you can install w32codecs there, and install the necessary browser, and its plugins :)
[10:45] <eeos> abattoir do you mean reinstall kaffeine inside the chroot?
[10:45] <andrea> abattoir: the menus...etc
[10:45] <abattoir> eeos: is it already installed in the chroot?
[10:46] <eeos> abattoir no
[10:46] <abattoir> eeos: yes, then you'd need to install a 32-bit version of kaffeine in the chroot
[10:47] <abattoir> andrea: else try changing the entry in /usr/lib/<your jdk version>/jre/lib/font.properties
[10:47] <eeos> abattoir sounds like a lot of downloading. why was I able to lay asx files before the last few uploads?
[10:47] <abattoir> eeos: you mean before the last few updates?
[10:48] <eeos> abattoir yes
[10:48] <abattoir> eeos: what did you first do to get it to work?
[10:48] <eeos> abattoir I do not remember of course :(
[10:49] <andrea> abattoir: WOW
[10:49] <andrea> :(
[10:49] <abattoir> andrea: what happened?
[10:49] <andrea> isnt there an easier way?
[10:50] <andrea> i just want to have a consistent look with the rest of the apps
[10:50] <abattoir> andrea: no, i dont know of anything else :(
[10:50] <daniloc> abattoir: how to install all needed libraries ?
[10:50] <andrea> abattoir: how can i remove an app that was not installed via Adept?
[10:50] <andrea> ie i installed a binary
[10:50] <abattoir> andrea: the jdk?
[10:50] <abattoir> or netbeans?
[10:51] <andrea> Netbeansa
[10:51] <andrea> its in /opt
[10:51] <abattoir> i think netbeans has its own uninstaller... dont quite remember
[10:51] <daniloc> abattoir: how to install all needed libraries ?
[10:51] <abattoir> daniloc: what needed libraries?
[10:51] <daniloc> lib...
[10:52] <abattoir> daniloc: 'build-essential' is a useful package... if you want to start compiling stuff
[10:52] <daniloc> fot others installation
[10:52] <daniloc> build-essential ?
[10:52] <abattoir> !info build-essential
[10:52] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:52] <daniloc> how to install that?
[10:52] <abattoir> daniloc: either through adept, or 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[10:52] <daniloc> thanks
[10:53] <lupine_85> as for needed libraries... if it's a .deb package, it'll do that automtically. If you mean -dev packages, it takes  bit of gueswork to get right
[10:53] <lupine_85> generally ./configure will tell you
[10:53] <daniloc> abattoir: build-essential is ok, something else ?
[10:53] <abattoir> eeos: do you by any chance know if the stream is wmv9 ?
[10:54] <abattoir> daniloc: what are you doing/compiling/installing?
[10:54] <eeos> abattoir no, why?
[10:54] <daniloc> some packages i must install and compile
[10:54] <daniloc> and i need libraries?
[10:54] <daniloc> sorry my english is fu*ed up
[10:55] <abattoir> eeos: just asking... are you a 100% sure that you had this stream working in the same 64-bit OS?
[10:55] <daniloc> what stream ?
[10:55] <abattoir> daniloc: there are tens of thousands of libraries...
[10:55] <daniloc> :((
[10:55] <abattoir> which one do you need specifically?
[10:55] <daniloc> i dont know
[10:55] <daniloc> standard libraries
[10:56] <daniloc> i cant install all .deb packages
[10:56] <abattoir> daniloc: build-essential should do for now...
[10:56] <daniloc> ok, thanks man
[10:56] <abattoir> if anything complains, come back
[10:56] <eeos> abattoir yes, It was not long ago
[10:56] <abattoir> i'll tell you which package you might need
[10:56] <daniloc> thanks man :)
[10:56] <daniloc> you are the best
[10:56] <daniloc> awesome :)
[10:57] <daniloc> abattoir: i build the radio stream
[10:57] <daniloc> http://212.200.77.16:8888/
[10:57] <abattoir> daniloc: you mean you are going to stream your own...err... stream?
[10:57] <daniloc> what?
[10:58] <daniloc> it is internet radio streaming ;)
[10:58] <abattoir> aah cool :)
[10:59] <abattoir> daniloc: "The source cannot be read for the URL: http://212.200.77.16:8888/1995 - Fotografija/Merlin - Fotografija.mp3"
[10:59] <abattoir> ;)
[11:11] <gan|y|med> hello
[11:13] <cox377> I'm looking for a decent FTP client, something with equivalent usability to FLASHFXP on M$, does anyone have any recommendations?
[11:16] <abattoir> cox377: kbear ??
[11:17] <abattoir> !info kbear
[11:17] <ubotu> kbear: graphical ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.1-13ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2401 kB, installed size 8604 kB
[11:17] <abattoir> cox377: ^^ its in universe
[11:17] <milco> if i move to gwm, then i lose my kde-taskbar right?
[11:18] <eeos> !info KFTPGrabber
[11:18] <ubotu> kftpgrabber: KDE FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0beta1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 993 kB, installed size 2836 kB
[11:18] <cox377> abattoir:  i shall give it a go mate, cheers
[11:18] <abattoir> cox377:  :)
[11:18] <eeos> !info KGet
[11:18] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 425 kB, installed size 1164 kB
[11:19] <cox377> I;ve just been googling fto clients, people are ssaying the same tht there doesnt seem any really decent ftp clients about
[11:19] <eeos> cox377 you can chose among three at least
[11:19] <eeos> cox377 the best ftp client in my opinion is konqueror
[11:20] <cox377> eeos: as in the standard browser within kbuntu?
[11:20] <eeos> cox377 yes, try to do ftp://your-domain in the location bar
[11:20] <cox377> lol
[11:21] <cox377> just did, says cant connect but i know the things there
[11:21] <cox377> wonder whats going on
[11:21] <cox377> lol
[11:23] <whiting> how do i become identified?, says i can't join a chanel because im not identified
[11:23] <cox377> it was firestarter blocking it
[11:25] <eeos> cox377 once ou are connected you can use konqueror as you use it on the desktop
[11:25] <visik7> whiting: read motd and go to www.freenode.org
[11:25] <eeos> cox377 not bad isn't it?
[11:26] <cox377> eeos: to tell u the truth, i like quite like bear
[11:27] <eeos> cox377 yes, I have it installed. but once you get the hand on using conqueror this way it is fantastic. you use the ftp server as ou use any other partition on disk
[11:28] <eeos> cox377 yu can copy and move from partition to partition (including ftp server)
[11:28] <milco> i got 2 soundblasters in this machine
[11:28] <milco> how do i set the default one?
[11:28] <eeos> cox377 even decompress on ftp server (not really, but it looks like)
[11:29] <cox377> eeos: lol.. i've falled short with bear, for some reason i cant open my own directories
[11:29] <cox377> lol
[11:29] <cox377> eeos: a learning curve i suppose ;)
[11:29] <eeos> cox377 :D
[11:32] <milco> yesteday my soundblaster was still working
[11:32] <milco> havent touched anything, today - no sound
[11:32] <milco> i got a onboard one and a sblive
[11:33] <milco> the onboard one is 'set to default' is the idea i get..
[11:33] <milco> is there a place where i can change the default one?
[11:35] <milco> reboot
[11:39] <cox377> eeos: alright, i was wrong, kbear just kept crashing.. konquer did the job straight upo; )
[11:39] <eeos> cox377 :)
[11:42] <cox377> one more thing
[11:43] <cox377> i like to work in tree view
[11:43] <cox377> but i keep setting everything to tree mode and after reboot it goes back to normal icon
[11:47] <eeos> cox377 it shouldn't
[11:47] <eeos> cox377 what version of kde are you using
[11:49] <eeos> cox377 what version of konqueror / kde are you usig?
[11:52] <redondo81_> Hi boys, I have a problem installing a visual style (Domino), when I lunch the command make it gives me several errors...who can help me please?
[11:52] <cox377> Umm
[11:52] <cox377> eeos: is there a command to find that out?
[11:53] <redondo81_> Can anyone help me please?
[11:53] <eeos> cox377 you can use adept, or simply konqueror > help > about konqueror (or about kde)
[11:57] <Trollinator> does anybody know a good cd ripper for KDE?
[11:57] <abattoir> redondo81_: is this a KDE widget style?
[11:58] <redondo81_> yes
[11:58] <Trollinator> with musicbrainz or cddb support.
[11:58] <redondo81_> I downloaded it from kde.look.org
[11:58] <redondo81_> I can paste the errors on paste.ubuntu
[11:58] <eeos> abattoir I set up kaffeine to run in chroot but it gives me an error
[11:59] <abattoir> eeos: what's the error?
[11:59] <cox377> eeos: 3.5.4
[11:59] <abattoir> Trollinator: kaudiocreator
[12:00] <abattoir> Trollinator: or you can use the audiocd:/ kioslave in konqueror
[12:00] <redondo81_> abattoir:You can find the errors here :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22903
[12:00] <eeos> cox377 that is the very last one, so you should not have this problem
[12:00] <abattoir> redondo81_: please do that
[12:00] <redondo81_> abattoir:You can find the errors here :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22903
[12:00] <_ian> hi how do i enable file sharing with a windows computer? im conencted using a router with four ports..... my other computer is running winxp
[12:00] <eeos> abattoir believe or not i installe the gstreamer engine with plug ins and now it works at 64 bit
[12:00] <abattoir> redondo81_: got it :)
[12:00] <mito125> salve
[12:01] <abattoir> eeos: hmm, are you running dapper ?
[12:01] <eeos> abattoir yes
[12:01] <mito125> ma non si parlava italiano qui???
[12:01] <abattoir> !it
[12:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:02] <Trollinator> abattoir: does kaudiocreator support cddb or musicbrainz?
[12:02] <abattoir> eeos: afaik, wmv9 doesn work, anyways, if it works for you, then its great :)
[12:02] <abattoir> Trollinator: cddb i think
[12:02] <abattoir> Trollinator: as does the audiocd:/ kio-slave
[12:02] <eeos> abattoir believe me it works!
[12:02] <eeos> abattoir listening to radio canada now
[12:03] <abattoir> eeos: aah, its not a *video* stream?
[12:03] <eeos> abattoir no, audio stream
[12:03] <redondo81_> abattoir:what do you think is the error?
[12:03] <Trollinator> thanks
[12:03] <abattoir> redondo81_: there are so many errors :P
[12:04] <abattoir> redondo81_: i assume ./configure went cleanly.... ?
[12:04] <andrea> i downloaded a theme/style from Kde-look....how can i apply it?
[12:04] <redondo81_> yes, all ok
[12:04] <abattoir> andrea: depends on what theme it is
[12:04] <abattoir> andrea: read the instructions inside the archive
[12:05] <andrea> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=43550
[12:05] <andrea> abattoir: ok
[12:06] <abattoir> looks like imbrandon's setup :P
[12:07] <_ian> is there a good step by step guide on how to network kubuntu with windows xp ? on lan? to enable file sharing
[12:07] <abattoir> andrea: might be interested in http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/theme/royale/
[12:07] <henrym> _ian: install samba and file sharing should work quite happily (at least, it did for me)
[12:08] <abattoir> !samba
[12:08] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:10] <andrea> abattoir: 10Q
[12:10] <_ian> ok
[12:10] <abattoir> andrea: np
[12:12] <_ian> does kubuntu automatically update it self?
[12:14] <henrym> _ian: not totally, in kubuntu, an icon should pop up in the system tray and if you click on it it will list any updates, and allow you to install them
[12:14] <_ian> i see...
[12:16] <_ian> so how do i configure samba? i clicked on administration button and said i require a root access?
[12:17] <henrym> open up konqueror and type in 'smb:/' into the location bar, i found everything Just Works and the windows computers on the network just showed up
[12:19] <eeos> cox377 did you solve it? you should save the profile with your settings to have always th same settings.
[12:19] <henrym> also, in both kubuntu and ubuntu when it asks for your root access password, just type in the same password as your normal user account and it should work
[12:19] <cox377> ahh
[12:19] <_ian> i see its working now !!!! thanks so much1!
[12:19] <cox377> eeos: u gotta save the profile
[12:19] <cox377> i shall try that
[12:20] <henrym> _ian: no problem :)
[12:20] <eeos> cox377 konqueror > settings >  save "whatever" profile
[12:21] <eeos> cox377 with a reasonable name, not whatever
[12:22] <cox377> lol
[12:22] <cox377> done
[12:23] <cox377> shall seewhat happenes next time on reboot
[12:23] <cox377> eeos: cheers
[12:23] <eeos> cox377 :) cheers
[12:24] <_ian> is there an easy way to access that like in windows... its already in my comp/
[12:25] <_ian> well i figured it out i jsut created a shortcut
[12:26] <voicu> Random Fortune: We come to bury DOS, not to praise it. 	-- Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu
[12:28] <user_> hi all
[12:30] <cox377> i notice there is a back up system app under utilities, can this be used to back up the whole systems settings, applications used n all so when reloaded the system is then the same.. like a generic settings that can be applied to systems?
[12:30] <cox377> or is there a folder that holds all the system settings, such as icons, apps used etc etc?
[12:31] <voicu>  /etc is where you will find most of your settings (system wide settings)
[12:31] <cox377> so if i back that up, i can then copy it to a new system?
[12:31] <voicu> for user settings look in your home directory for something like .kde, .gaim, ...
[12:32] <voicu> i guess so, but if you don't use the same software versions there might be problems
[12:33] <voicu> if you want to make it complete, copy your /home/user directory too
[12:34] <kuzmaster> hey all
[12:35] <kuzmaster> is there a way to use google talk on kubuntu, so i can use the voip features of google talk?
[12:35] <kuzmaster> is there?
[12:36] <voicu> well, gaim can work with google
[12:36] <voicu> google talk uses the jabber protocol
[12:36] <frojnd> hello
[12:36] <voicu> look on google.com for details
[12:36] <frojnd> I have one question
[12:37] <frojnd> I am using Kubuntu and I got 160GB disk (ntfs)
[12:37] <frojnd> how can I format it in something that linux likes it ?
[12:37] <adrian__> eine frage an elle wie komme ich auf den deutschen channel
[12:37] <kuzmaster> voicu, i know about the jabber protocol and gaim ect, but is there a program so i can use the voip features of google talk
[12:38] <voicu> i don't know, i thought gaim had voip :P
[12:39] <paran> google uses a closed protocol for voip in google talk
[12:39] <kuzmaster> paran, oh k, thanx
[12:39] <frojnd> anyone who has been dealing with NTFS partitions here?
[12:39] <kuzmaster> paran, thats a bummer cos wine dont work with google talk
[12:39] <voicu> frojnd, do you want to write on the partition or just read it?
[12:39] <frojnd> I want to use it with linux
[12:39] <paran> kuzmaster: i don't think there are any free clients. you could try running google's client in Wine, might work.
[12:39] <frojnd> se..
[12:40] <frojnd> I have NTFS disk
[12:40] <frojnd> and I wanna format it in somethig that works on liunx
[12:40] <frojnd> that I can write and read it
[12:40] <frojnd> just for linux!!
[12:40] <kuzmaster> frojnd, do you want to erase it, and loose the data thats currentally on it?
[12:41] <frojnd> yes
[12:41] <kuzmaster> kuzmaster, if so, you would want to format it using either ext3 (linux only) or fat32 (linux and windows)
[12:41] <frojnd> linux only
[12:41] <paran> kuzmaster: lots of stuff works in wine, but I recomend a version from WineHQ. the one in dapper is a bit old
[12:41] <kuzmaster> frojnd, k, then format it using ext3
[12:41] <kuzmaster> k
[12:41] <frojnd> and command for this is:
[12:42] <frojnd> :P
[12:42] <frojnd> the partition name is: sdb1
[12:42] <voicu> there is a gui in kde, in system settings
[12:42] <kuzmaster> frojnd, dont know if there is one, but you can download a partition thingy thru adept
[12:43] <frojnd> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd<whateveritis><partition> <--isn't somth. like this ?
[12:43] <voicu> or you can search the net for the command, should probably be something like fdisk
[12:43] <kuzmaster> can someone please tell me the command to re-fresh the sources.list?
[12:43] <paran> frojnd: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 <- that will format the partition with a ext3 file system
[12:43] <kuzmaster> i forget, and i just edited it
[12:43] <frojnd> paran frojnd: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 <- that will format the partition with a ext3 file system  (I don't care if formats...)
[12:44] <paran> kuzmaster: sudo aptitude update
[12:44] <kuzmaster> wouldnt it be sudo adept update?
[12:44] <kuzmaster> this is kubuntu?
[12:45] <voicu> adept is only a frontend for aptitude which is a frontend for apt :P, apt is the main application, right?
[12:46] <kuzmaster> i know, and i figured it out, its 'sudo adept update'
[12:46] <kuzmaster> but my dns's hate me
[12:46] <kuzmaster> lol
[12:46] <voicu> mine aren't friendly either :)
[12:46] <paran> kuzmaster: doesn't matter, you can run apt-get update also if you like. they all use the same files
[12:46] <Electrolyte> Can someone remind me the command after glxgears to enable the frame counter?
[12:46] <Electrolyte> Someone I know is pestering me for my results :/
[12:47] <Tonio_> anyone there using edgy and a usb/lpt printer ?
[12:47] <Tonio_> I need bug confirmation to define top priority bugs for ubuntu wiki
[12:48] <Lynoure> Tonio_: people on #kubuntu+1 more likely than tere
[12:48] <Lynoure> s/tere/here
[12:48] <Tonio_> Lynoure: yes, sorry :)
[12:48] <Electrolyte> No one can remember the command? :<
[12:49] <frojnd> what's the difference between fat32 and ext3, besides the ext3 is linux only
[12:50] <kuzmaster> !fat32
[12:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:50] <kuzmaster> oops
[12:50] <Lynoure> Electrolyte: glxgears -printfps
[12:51] <Electrolyte> Hmm, last command was something much larger - I'll try any way :)
[12:51] <kuzmaster> 
[12:51] <Electrolyte> Ah, ty Lynoure :)
[12:51] <Lynoure> Electrolyte: This one works but there is the long cutesy notabenchmarktool or something too
[12:53] <paran> frojnd: the main difference is that fat32 is crap, while ext3 is a advanced file system ;-) (there are ways of accessing ext3 partitions from windows as well...)
[12:53] <Lynoure> Electrolyte: if you give the number to someone, remember there is a world of difference between being fullscreen or not
[12:54] <frojnd> samba can handle accesing ext3 partitions
[12:54] <frojnd> paran
[12:54] <Lynoure> Electrolyte: in my case 90fps vs 1500fps...
[12:55] <Electrolyte> Well this was left in Windowed.
[12:55] <Electrolyte> 9800 FPS :E
[12:56] <kuzmaster> oh ;(, i only got 400fps on averge, but it spiked to 1163 fps
[12:56] <robert____> anyone know what parameters to serve wget when trying to download a google video URL? kaffeine open same URL just fine, why?
[12:57] <Lynoure> well, it is not a benchmark tool.
[12:57] <frojnd> /dev/sdb1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!
[12:57] <kuzmaster> i know
[12:57] <frojnd> :q
[12:57] <kuzmaster> frojnd, un-mount it
[12:58] <frojnd> umout /dev/sdb1  ?
[12:58] <kuzmaster> frojnd, ummmmmmmmmm................. yeah
[12:58] <frojnd> ty :)
[12:58] <frojnd> don't get mad with me, I am using linuxes for 3 days..
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> SlimG: you can open google videos? I get sound but no video :-/
[12:59] <pointwood> hrm...funny problem here - when I load a video at video.google.com, I get sound when trying to play it in Konqy, but no video. Trying the same in Firefox, I get video, but no sound...
[01:00] <vge> pointwood: video is swf in this case?
[01:00] <pointwood> wait...just tried again and this time I seem to get video as well in konqy :)
[01:00] <frojnd> hej guys, any pages for newbie linux users
[01:00] <pointwood> vge: yes, swf
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> pointwood: damn you - I haven't been able to watch google vids. hehe
[01:01] <pointwood> LeeJunFan: hehe
[01:01] <kuzmaster> hmmmm......... adept seems frozen while downloading/installing firefox ;-(
[01:01] <SlimG> LeeJunFan: i download the video (flash won't work for me either) and run them thru a script that open the video in kaffeine
[01:01] <kuzmaster> its stuck on 'waiting on headers (0%)
[01:01] <frojnd> Writing inode tables: done
[01:01] <frojnd> Creating journal (32768 blocks): done
[01:01] <frojnd> Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done
[01:01] <frojnd> This filesystem will be automatically checked every 25 mounts or
[01:01] <frojnd> 180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
[01:01] <frojnd> so now it's formated?
[01:01] <pointwood> now I just need a faster connection
[01:01] <kuzmaster> !tell frojnd about pastebin
[01:02] <kuzmaster> !pastebin
[01:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:02] <kuzmaster> frojnd, please use paste bin in the future
[01:02] <frojnd> k
[01:02] <frojnd> sorry
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> I've got the same problem on as pointwood had with google video, in konq I get audio but no video, in firefox I get video, but no audio. Guess I'll have to try opening them at the same time :)
[01:03] <kuzmaster> !skim
[01:03] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[01:03] <pointwood> LeeJunFan: hehe, I guess it must be something with using different audio subsystems or something like that
[01:06] <voicu> frojnd, i have some docs, wait a sec
[01:07] <frojnd> k
[01:09] <milco> !compile
[01:09] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:09] <kuzmaster>  how do i download firefox via terminal?
[01:09] <milco> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:09] <milco> !packages
[01:09] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[01:09] <milco> !repository
[01:09] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[01:10] <kuzmaster> k, but is there a thingy so you can download all its dependinces
[01:10] <milco> read this information kuzmaster
[01:10] <kuzmaster> somthing like '-f'
[01:10] <milco> kuzmaster: that happens automaticly
[01:10] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhhhhhhhh k
[01:10] <kuzmaster> thanx
[01:10] <milco> when you do apt-get install firefox
[01:10] <milco> thats why i say read the information from the links ive given you
[01:10] <milco> else you'll never learn it..
[01:11] <kuzmaster> i have, ive used kubuntu heaps
[01:11] <kuzmaster> but i just come back, and i forgot
[01:15] <kuzmaster> !pastebin
[01:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:17] <kuzmaster> hey, HELP PLEASE http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22909
[01:17] <kuzmaster> i do 'sudo apt-get install firefox' and it says that
[01:18] <kuzmaster> and im not running apt-get or adept
[01:18] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock and try again?
[01:18] <kuzmaster> i also get a problem like that when i TRY to run the adept update notifier
[01:18] <kuzmaster> thanks
[01:19] <kuzmaster> it says command not found
[01:19] <lupine_85> try "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[01:20] <kuzmaster> k
[01:20] <halfbloodprince> hey lupine
[01:20] <kuzmaster> lupine_85: YAY!!!!!!!!! THANKS *gives hug*
[01:21] <lupine_85> :p
[01:21] <kuzmaster> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[01:21] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: ?
[01:21] <halfbloodprince> just saying hey
[01:21] <voicu> frojnd, still there?
[01:23] <kuzmaster> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:23] <kuzmaster> w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:23] <kuzmaster> holy poop
[01:24] <kuzmaster> i have 244mb of updates to download
[01:24] <halfbloodprince> whoa
[01:24] <halfbloodprince> what's your connection speed
[01:24] <kuzmaster> 512k
[01:24] <WindowsUninstall> Hi all
[01:24] <halfbloodprince> it's not that bad then :)
[01:24] <kuzmaster> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
[01:25] <kuzmaster> *sob sob sob*
[01:25] <kuzmaster> it hates me
[01:25] <kuzmaster> it officially hates me
[01:25] <lupine_85> ah, hi :)
[01:25] <WindowsUninstall> I've a question: how many time take special request? (https://shipit.kubuntu.org/specialrequest) ?
[01:26] <kuzmaster> me cant get adsl 2 or higher
[01:26] <halfbloodprince> has*
[01:26] <WindowsUninstall> I need to ship about 15 CD's for the 28 october (linux day)
[01:26] <kuzmaster> theres a linux day?
[01:27] <WindowsUninstall> kuzmaster, Yes, here in italy
[01:27] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:27] <kuzmaster> well im in australia where 2 australian icons have died in one week
[01:27] <kuzmaster> in 2 totally un-realated deaths
[01:28] <kuzmaster> im gonna have to re-start
[01:28] <kuzmaster> im over linux for the time being
[01:28] <frojnd> voicu ja here
[01:30] <frojnd> wake up
[01:30] <lupine_85> I'm on ADSL1 :)
[01:31] <frojnd> ur everywhere
[01:31] <frojnd> I used man fstab
[01:31] <frojnd> and..
[01:31] <frojnd> I don't understand quite at all :S
[01:32] <frojnd> lupine_85
[01:32] <lupine_85> frojnd: something like this then... /dev/<devicefile> /path/to/mountpoint ext3 defaults,user 0 2
[01:33] <lupine_85> also make sure that the mountpoint itself has appropriate permissions (e.g. 777, or whatever)
[01:33] <frojnd> where did u picked that man
[01:33] <frojnd> i am willing to read this for myself
[01:33] <frojnd> I just don't know where
[01:34] <frojnd> if there were some nice page with tutorials or smtk.
[01:34] <frojnd> *pages
[01:34] <lupine_85> memory :)
[01:34] <lupine_85> you put it in /etc/fstab
[01:34] <lupine_85> (edit as root/sudo)
[01:36] <grizzly> is ti dangerous to close the klogd and syslogd services?
[01:36] <grizzly> or they like only loggin services
[01:36] <frojnd> lupine_85 /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs ,uid=1000,gid=0,auto,nouser 0 0
[01:37] <lupine_85> not sure about the uid and god, but yes
[01:37] <lupine_85> erm, gid
[01:37] <lupine_85> oh, is it an ntfs partition?
[01:37] <frojnd> ext3
[01:37] <frojnd> i just formated it
[01:37] <lupine_85> then change ntfs to ext3
[01:37] <frojnd> into ext3
[01:37] <lupine_85> change nouser to user
[01:38] <lupine_85> and you're there
[01:38] <frojnd> let's check
[01:39] <frojnd> hm
[01:39] <frojnd> still don't have permission to read it
[01:39] <lupine_85> did you set the permissions of the mountpoint?
[01:40] <frojnd> no..
[01:40] <lupine_85> then do so :)
[01:40] <lupine_85> make sure you've got at least a+r
[01:40] <lupine_85> (so sudo chmod a+r /path/to/mountpoint)
[01:40] <frojnd> lupine_85 frojnd: something like this then... /dev/<devicefile> /path/to/mountpoint ext3 defaults,user 0 2
[01:40] <lupine_85> yep, but the one you've got now should work fine
[01:41] <lupine_85> ...you have unmounted (as root), and remounted (as user), right?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> B4zzA-2: please turn off that away message
[01:42] <frojnd> no..
[01:42] <B4zzA-2> sorry, its not a script
[01:42] <frojnd> I think I unmounted it as user
[01:42] <B4zzA-2> its a part of irc
[01:43] <lupine_85> frojnd: make sure it's unmounted, then remount as normal user
[01:43] <Hobbsee> B4zzA-2: you can turn such things off.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> it's an option in xchat somewhere
[01:43] <B4zzA-2> yes well..
[01:43] <B4zzA-2> im sorry...
[01:44] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: I'm still wondering whether to install Ubuntu, or not
[01:44] <B4zzA-2> i guess i shall leave this chan (i dont see a @ next to your name)
[01:44] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: it's great fun
[01:44] <lupine_85> B4zzA-2: don't let the door hit you on your way out ;)
[01:45] <lupine_85> not really for the weak of heart, though
[01:45] <lupine_85> you need to have a mentality that allows you to stay calm in the face of problems :)
[01:46] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: As in, I really want to install Ubuntu, but most of my professional work requires me to use Windows
[01:46] <Hobbsee> sigh
[01:47] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: you can dual-boot
[01:47] <lupine_85> even use VMware
[01:47] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: If I dual-boot, I'll be using Windows most of the time anyway, right?
[01:47] <lupine_85> think of how useful it'd be to have 3, 4 different windows boxes running at the same time...
[01:47] <frojnd> I mount it like user: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /home/q/sdb1
[01:47] <frojnd> and it says
[01:47] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: I didn't get you
[01:48] <frojnd> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /home/q/sdb1 busy
[01:48] <lupine_85> no, you mount it as user by (after editing fstab) mount /dev/sdb1
[01:48] <lupine_85> you need to unmount it first
[01:48] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: you can run windows in linux by using VMware
[01:48] <frojnd> I unmounted it as root: umount /dev/sdb1
[01:48] <lupine_85> very handy for development work etc.
[01:48] <mase_> can i disable dosfck from checking at startup?
[01:49] <daniloc> abattoir: there?
[01:50] <abattoir> daniloc: yes
[01:50] <mase_> any help?
[01:50] <daniloc> how are you?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey Dannilion & Dannilion_
[01:50] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: which one should I get? vmware server?
[01:50] <abattoir> mase_: it scans another partition?
[01:50] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee
[01:50] <daniloc> abattoir: how to install .deb from console?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir
[01:50] <Hobbsee> daniloc: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:51] <abattoir> daniloc: 'sudo dpkg -i /path/to/deb'
[01:51] <abattoir> mase_: you can try disabling it in /etc/fstab
[01:51] <lupine_85> vmware server is great, yes
[01:51] <daniloc> abattoir: i got the errors
[01:51] <daniloc> can i paste u to pvt?
[01:51] <daniloc> !paste
[01:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:52] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: Let's say I don't get vmware, and I have a dual boot for my Windows stuff.. then I'll be using Windows mostly right?
[01:52] <abattoir> daniloc: ok
[01:52] <Dannilion> Hey Hobbsee
[01:52] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: probably
[01:52] <daniloc> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22913
[01:54] <mase_> how?
[01:54] <abattoir> daniloc: dep. issues.. you need later versions of those packages
[01:54] <halfbloodprince> hmmm...
[01:54] <abattoir> daniloc: btw, running at root is not recommend... unless you understand the risks
[01:54] <abattoir> daniloc: and if you are in a root prompt, you dont need to use 'sudo'
[01:54] <daniloc> i know, how to install latest ?
[01:54] <abattoir> daniloc: where did you get that deb?
[01:54] <daniloc> www.gnomefiles.com
[01:55] <mase_> abattoir:how ?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Dannilion: :)
[01:55] <abattoir> mase_: in the entry for that partition, make sure the <pass> entry is 0
[01:55] <Dannilion> How is Hobbsee?
[01:56] <halfbloodprince> brb
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Dannilion: annoyed at people who are being annoying.
[01:56] <daniloc> and abattoir
[01:56] <daniloc> what i need to do?
[01:56] <abattoir> daniloc: well, the official repos for dapper dont have packages later than the ones you already have
[01:57] <abattoir> daniloc: you might need to compile it manually
[01:57] <daniloc> i have a only .deb filre
[01:58] <daniloc> ok..
[01:58] <abattoir> daniloc: or find a lower version of pcmanfm
[01:58] <daniloc> ok, thanks.,..
[01:58] <abattoir> daniloc: you're welcome...
[01:58] <daniloc> thanks a lot again
[02:01] <zinfacter> How do I get file sharing to work correctly? When I click properties on a folder and go to Sharing, it prompts for a password, I enter one and it takes me to this window where I can't click anything.
[02:01] <daniloc> abattoir: can i pvt you ?
[02:01] <zinfacter> pvt?
[02:02] <daniloc> too easy for help, i am noob and i have a lot of question's, but my english is bad and i cany read and understand all
[02:02] <daniloc> private chat=pvt
[02:03] <abattoir> daniloc: sure
[02:11] <zinfacter> no one knows about this ftp problem?
[02:11] <zinfacter> err
[02:11] <zinfacter> file sharing problem*
[02:19] <[GuS] > Hi people...
[02:19] <Jucato> hi
[02:19] <[GuS] > i want to ask.. why setting Firefox as default web browser has no effect in KDE? (inside Systemsettings, KDE Globals)
[02:20] <Jucato> what do you by "no effect"?
[02:20] <[GuS] > because opens Konqueror with a site link
[02:20] <Jucato> a link from Thunderbird?
[02:21] <WindowsUninstall> [GuS] , Look in kcontrol
[02:21] <[GuS] > yeah.. from that... and maybe others too
[02:21] <[GuS] > WindowsUninstall, i was there....
[02:21] <Jucato> WindowsUninstall: System Settings is the control center of Kubuntu
[02:21] <[GuS] > i've configured THere
[02:21] <Jucato> but uses the same modules as KControl
[02:21] <[GuS] > is same thing
[02:21] <[GuS] > to make clear i am not a newbie....
[02:21] <[GuS] > but well
[02:22] <[GuS] > i dont know why this happen
[02:23] <Jucato> [GuS] : for Thunderbird, I think there's a specific step that must be done. As for the other apps like Kopete and Konversation, they have their own ways to control which browser they will use/launch
[02:23] <Jucato> WindowsUninstall: to each his own :)
[02:23] <[GuS] > yeah WindowsUninstall ...
[02:23] <[GuS] > ok Jucato ...
[02:23] <Jucato> System Settings is getting better, specially in Edgy
[02:23] <Jucato> [GuS] : I don't have the exact links or steps, as I don't use Firefox as my default. I would suggest searching in the forums, as I remember seeing the same question there
[02:23] <[GuS] > i will
[02:23] <[GuS] > thanks any way..
[02:23] <Jucato> http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums
[02:23] <[GuS] > :)
[02:23] <[GuS] > yeah i know.
[02:24] <Jucato> heh. just in case :)
[02:27] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[02:28] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me do I need to download linuxwacom drivers for edgy 2 for the tabletpc
[02:29] <eaglehawk> hi especially to jucato..:)
[02:29] <Jucato> eaglehawk: I'm not really sure, but you might try to ask the guys in #ubuntu+1 for help. since it's a driver question :)
[02:29] <[GuS] > Jucato, this do the trick: sudo update-alternatives --set  x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
[02:29] <[GuS] > ;)
[02:29] <eaglehawk> ok...
[02:29] <[GuS] > i've forgot that command
[02:30] <[GuS] > i've done that with java too
[02:30] <Jucato> [GuS] : heh, I thought it would be something like that. I just didn't remember the exact command
[02:30] <[GuS] > yeah, me too
[02:30] <[GuS] > ;)
[02:30] <[GuS] > :)
[02:34] <Przemcio78> hi, does anyone here use wengophone?
[02:35] <Netcad> Hi, is there somebody out there who can give me a hint on the following? I need to search a large directory structure for directories and where ever found delete all files in there.
[02:35] <[GuS] > Przemcio78, me
[02:35] <Przemcio78> GuS, are sms messages free in wengo?
[02:35] <Netcad> Directory is .deleted for example
[02:36] <[GuS] > mm i dont know... i read you question in their channel... but i never use that
[02:36] <lupine_85> netcad: some mixture of find and rm ? but carefully. Very, very carefully ;)
[02:36] <Przemcio78> i can't find answer anywhere :(
[02:37] <Przemcio78> anyway, thanks for trying to help GuS
[02:51] <mase_> i want to start konqurer as root
[02:52] <Jucato> mase_: press Alt+F2, then type in "kdesu konqueror"
[02:52] <Jucato> rawr
[02:53] <Riddell> elite
[02:53] <Jucato> nice
[02:53] <Jucato> :)
[02:54] <Hawkwind> LOL @ elite
[02:55] <tyler_d> how do I uninstall all of my movie players and codecs? I am having latency issues when trying to watch any type of video, the video is not fluent??
[02:56] <eeos> tyler_d what typo of video
[02:57] <tyler_d> eeos: any type, dvd, avi
[03:00] <eeos> tyler_d what version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:00] <tyler_d> eeos: 6.06 k6
[03:01] <eeos> tyler_d could you please give me the result of the command uname -ra
[03:01] <tyler_d> eeos: Linux macphee 2.6.15-26-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 03:40:32 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:01] <intelikey> kde starts and then just sits there blinking the  "starting the window manager"  splash.    so i thought i'd investigate and look at this...
[03:01] <intelikey> tty2 [root@~]  top
[03:01] <intelikey> brutopia: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.2.0.7: cannot open shared
[03:01] <intelikey> object file: No such file or directory
[03:01] <brutopia> wtf?
[03:02] <brandnewbie> I have KDE on Kubuntu and I want to change my settings yet it keeps saying that my password is wrong, however I have only ever used one password when ever it asked for me to enter in one
[03:02] <eeos> tyler_d what are you using for playing the video files (for example I use kaffeine)
[03:02] <intelikey> brutopia it tab completed form  top:
[03:02] <lupine_85> brandnewbie: it's got to be the caps lock ;)
[03:02] <brandnewbie> lol yeh
[03:02] <brandnewbie> i tried that severeal times >.<
[03:03] <tyler_d> eeos: doesn't matter, tried all of them, mmovie player, totem, kaffeine, and gxine-movie player.
[03:03] <lupine_85> well, boot into the recovery console and use passwd <user> to change it
[03:03] <brandnewbie> it jsut says conversion with su failed >.<
[03:03] <lupine_85> that's not a password failure
[03:03] <eeos> tyler_d did you install all available codecs? audio and video? including w32codecs?
[03:03] <brandnewbie> oh ?
[03:03] <lupine_85> that's a b0rked kdesu
[03:04] <brandnewbie> whats that :?
[03:04] <tyler_d> tried to.... not sure if it was successfull though?
[03:04] <lupine_85> kdesu is what turns you into a root user to run GUI programs
[03:04] <tyler_d> eeos: what codecs do you use?
[03:04] <brandnewbie> yeh
[03:04] <lupine_85> unfortunately, I've no idea how you'd fix that particular error
[03:04] <brandnewbie> excellent
[03:04] <eeos> tyler_d ffmpeg, theora,
[03:04] <brandnewbie> sigh
[03:04] <lupine_85> try searching the forums:- http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:05] <brandnewbie> would a complete erase and reinstall fix it ?
[03:05] <lupine_85> or just google the error message
[03:05] <intelikey> anybody tried top lately ?
[03:05] <lupine_85> brandnewbie: of course, but this isn't windows ;)
[03:05] <lupine_85> intelikey: works here
[03:05] <intelikey> is mine the only one broken ?
[03:05] <Big> Good Morning
[03:05] <brandnewbie> yeh i know
[03:05] <brandnewbie> i only installed this all tonight
[03:05] <intelikey> "top: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.2.0.7: cannot open shared
[03:05] <intelikey> object file: No such file or directory"
[03:06] <lupine_85> slocate / |grep libproc ?
[03:06] <tyler_d> eeos: what is the source for that?
[03:06] <lupine_85> intelikey: you're not using... edgy... are you?
[03:06] <intelikey> i found it.
[03:07] <intelikey> old version of top lying around
[03:07] <intelikey> eeeek
[03:07] <eeos> tyler_d for what?
[03:07] <intelikey>  2186 klog      25   0  2408 1324  380 R 98.1  0.5  20:38.72 klogd
[03:08] <brandnewbie> sigh >.<
[03:08] <brandnewbie> reformat ftw
[03:08] <brandnewbie> see you in 2 hours
[03:08] <intelikey> klogd using 99% of the cpu
[03:08] <brandnewbie> >.<
[03:08] <brandnewbie> btw
[03:08] <brandnewbie> how do i get KDE on kubuntu to recognise my graphics card ?
[03:08] <brandnewbie> or my monitor
[03:08] <tommy> anyone know where i can find a tutorial on how to use terminal and/or konsole?
[03:09] <lupine_85> Tommy: just bash/command line tutorials in general
[03:09] <tommy> lupine_85: yes
[03:09] <lupine_85> google for "debian" and "bash" and "tutorial"|howto, and you're away
[03:09] <tyler_d> eeos: s'all good, found one for both
[03:09] <eeos> tyler_d search for theora, fmmpeg, codecs using adept
[03:09] <tommy> thanks lupine
[03:09] <eeos> tyler_d do you also have w32codecs?
[03:10] <tyler_d> eeos: think so... installing some codecs now though
[03:10] <tyler_d> eeos: my source list is messed up though
[03:11] <eeos> tyler_d look at this page on the wiki https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Media/Codecs?highlight=%28codec%29
[03:11] <eeos> tyler_d what do you mean with your source is messed up?
[03:12] <eeos> tyler_d probably you have to do some manual cleaning.
[03:12] <x31> pessoal alguem me pode ajudar a configurar a minha placa grafica?
[03:13] <x31> tenho uma ATI Radeon 7000 IGP!
[03:14] <x31> alguem ja configurou uma placa com os drivers compativeis com a minha?
[03:14] <tyler_d> eeos: what do you mean??
[03:15] <x31> I want configuration my graphics card?
[03:15] <eeos> tyler_d here there is the list of codcs you seriously need to play most of strange stuff you can find around https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:15] <unfknblvbl> if my graphics card is not in the list of the graphics cards in kubuntu with KDE, how do i add it in ?
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> unfknblvbl,  what card you got?
[03:15] <eeos> tyler_d well, what do you mean with your source is messed up? do you mean your repository?
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> you may just need toselect a similer card.
[03:15] <unfknblvbl> nvidia geforce 6800gs
[03:15] <x31> ATI Radeon 7000 IGP
[03:16] <tyler_d> eeos: oh that... yah I fixed that
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> unfknblvbl,  nv or nvidia is whats in the list I think
[03:16] <unfknblvbl> k ta
[03:16] <tyler_d> still stutters on dvd's??
[03:16] <eeos> tyler_d ok
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[03:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> !ati
[03:16] <intelikey> i don't get this.  kde wont run. all i get is a BSOD out of it.
[03:16] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: same factoid
[03:16] <eeos> x31 did you install ATI original drivers or OSS drivers?
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> :) how lazy of them! :p
[03:17] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: it points to a general page and you pick ait ro nvidia from there :)
[03:17] <x31> I think that my graphics card use OSS drivers!
[03:17] <gnomefreak> ati from*
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  we want specific  Instant gratification!
[03:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:17] <eeos> abattoir are you around please?
[03:17] <abattoir> eeos: hi
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> setting up ati is still a pain. I managed to get it working on my 2 machines.. but not sure how it worked. :) it wasent working.. then it started working
[03:18] <eeos> hi!
[03:18] <eeos> I have installed kaffeine in chroot, following our discussion this morning
[03:18] <abattoir> eeos: ok..
[03:18] <eeos> abattoir but I get a strange error every ime I try to run it
[03:18] <abattoir> eeos: what do you get?
[03:19] <eeos> abattoir wait
[03:19] <abattoir> eeos: could you pastebin it if its large?
[03:19] <eeos> x31 ty installing original ati drivers
[03:19] <unfknblvbl> if you test your graphics settings and you get no message it works ?
[03:20] <x31> my graphic card uses OOS, not original ATI.
[03:20] <eeos> abattoir here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22924
[03:21] <x31> The drivers ATI, they are not compatible
[03:21] <eeos> x31 compatible with what?
[03:21] <x31> with my card!
[03:22] <eeos> x31 ah! what is the problem with the oss drivers?
[03:23] <x31> in google earth the image is busy!
[03:23] <eeos> x31 busy?
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> so its incompatiable with one program ?
[03:23] <x31> with tux racer!
[03:23] <x31> and google earth!
[03:23] <x31> and aiglx
[03:24] <x31> lxinfo
[03:24] <x31> name of display: :0.0
[03:24] <x31> display: :0  screen: 0
[03:24] <x31> direct rendering: Yes
[03:24] <x31> server glx vendor string: SGI
[03:24] <x31> server glx version string: 1.2
[03:24] <x31> server glx extensions:
[03:24] <x31>     GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
[03:24] <x31>     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
[03:24] <x31>     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier,
[03:24] <x31>     GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
[03:24] <x31> client glx vendor string: SGI
[03:25] <x31> client glx version string: 1.4
[03:25] <x31> client glx extensions:
[03:25] <x31> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20050528 AGP 4x NO-TCL
[03:25] <x31> OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 6.4.1
[03:26] <MrObvious> !pastebin
[03:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:26] <x31> ok
[03:26] <eeos> x31 use pastebin please! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:27] <x31> ok
[03:27] <x31> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:28] <x31> my drivers graphics card is crazy
[03:29] <aztun> hi all
[03:29] <AeSSeD> anyone have test KDE 4 First Development Snapshot on kubuntu edgy??
[03:29] <aztun> has anyone tried kde4?
[03:29] <aztun> AeSSeD: xD
[03:29] <eeos> x31 please send the link to pastebin with your text
[03:30] <aztun> AeSSeD: I installed it on a laptop this morning at work
[03:30] <AeSSeD> aztun: :DD
[03:30] <aztun> but couldnt launch kde4
[03:30] <aztun> dont know how
[03:30] <AeSSeD> aztun: I've tried on vmware virtual machine
[03:31] <AeSSeD> but don't resolve all dependecies
[03:31] <aztun> "about kde" on every window says its kde 3.5.4
[03:31] <aztun> AeSSeD: I instaled all packages with no problem
[03:31] <eeos> abattoir did you undestand anything from the file I pastebin-ed?
[03:31] <Bazzi> instructions are posted on kubuntu.org
[03:31] <aztun> but later didnt know how to boot kde4
[03:32] <aztun> Bazzi: really short instructions
[03:32] <abattoir> eeos: i'm really sorry, one sec
[03:32] <abattoir> eeos: i missed it
[03:32] <Bazzi> short is good enough if they contain everything needed
[03:32] <abattoir> eeos: do you have pkg-config installed
[03:32] <abattoir> eeos: or wait, that wasnt your paste
[03:32] <aztun> yes Bazzi, but I thinks this isnt the case
[03:33] <Bazzi> you know that no apps are included with the new packages?
[03:33] <aztun> I followed instructions, then restarted X system and everything seemed the same
[03:33] <eeos> abattoir  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22924 here it is again
[03:33] <eeos> abattoir did you get it again?
[03:34] <aztun> Bazzi: but on "about kde" it should say kde 4, isnt it
[03:34] <Bazzi> hmmm, it's just the base libs
[03:34] <abattoir> eeos: yes, one sec
[03:34] <Bazzi> without recompilation the other apps may not even know they got kde4 under the hood
[03:34] <aztun> so there is nothing special on interface to know u are using kde4?
[03:35] <victorb> hey there, I have a simple (?) question regarding 5 button pointing rodents in kubuntu 6.06 ... basically I want one of the extra buttons to map to 'close active window' but am having no luck. I've used xbindkeys to map it to 'alt+F4' but it doesn't close the window like alt+f4 does
[03:35] <aztun> Bazzi: so without recompilation the apps dont use new features on kde4?
[03:35] <gnurante> hi all
[03:35] <Bonhomme> xev shows the events generated by the mouse key as the right keys in the right order but with 'synthetic = YES'
[03:36] <Bazzi> there are no new features yet
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> if it was gnome.. the  new version would have less features! :P
[03:36] <aztun> I understand....
[03:36] <Bazzi> gnome actually made progress the last 18 months :P
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> Blasphmy! :P
[03:37] <fildo> any doc's or sites for smbfs ? and mounting
[03:37] <aztun> so its normal that I cant see any special change on interface after instaling the development snapshot of kde4....
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> fildo,  should be several dozen+ sites on using samba and mounting using smbfs
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> look for that 'using samba' book thats avail online.
[03:38] <aztun> fildo: smbmount //remotepc/share /mountpoint
[03:39] <AeSSeD> aztun: Have you seen increment of boot speed?
[03:39] <fildo> do i need any credentials after it ? for fstab ?
[03:39] <Bonhomme> on the subject of mounting (and since my other question has gained no traction ..) - has anyone had good experience with captive ntfs driver for ntfs write support? (or any other method?)
[03:39] <aztun> yes AeSSeD
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> i find it safer to let windows read/write to the ext2 :)
[03:39] <AeSSeD> :)
[03:40] <aztun> thats the only thing I have seen
[03:40] <aztun> really faster than before
[03:40] <aztun> on kde boot and opening new windows
[03:40] <Bonhomme> Dr_Willis: I wasn't aware windows could write to ext2 ... what's more I'm using ext3
[03:40] <intelikey> i really don't get this... i ran startx in tty1  and top reports this
[03:40] <intelikey>    1 root      16   0  1564  528  464 S  0.0  0.2   0:04.61 init
[03:41] <intelikey> why would startx be calling init ?
[03:41] <Bonhomme> intelikey: I think init just always runs
[03:41] <Bonhomme> intelikey: it has nothing to do with startx
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> Bonhomme,  if you looked into it more.. you would learn that ext3 is backwards compatiable with ext2 :P
[03:43] <v3ctor> ext3 is ext2 with a journal
[03:43] <Bonhomme> Dr_Willis: fair call ... but I'm guessing I need some special windows tools to read/write ext2/3 partitions?
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> www.fs-driver.org  - has the tools to let xp read/write to the ext2 partitions
[03:43] <intelikey> Bonhomme look at the tty #
[03:43] <intelikey> and owner
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> it works decently well.. but be cautious. every thing is done as 'root' on the filesystem
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> and soft links dont work right. :(
[03:44] <Bonhomme> mmm
[03:44] <intelikey> Bonhomme wait.  that's pid not tty the first number... my bad.
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> i just make a spare ext3 partition i use as a 'shared' partition. for both os's to share data on.
[03:44] <Bonhomme> I do have a large ntfs volume that's just data ... maybe the answer is to make that VFAT
[03:44] <intelikey> not used to looking at top
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> vfat has a size limit.
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> i forget what it is however.
[03:45] <Bonhomme> Dr_Willis: oh you are right. more precisely it has a block limit, so your block size must increase for a larger volume ... mine is 200gb which is probably on the 'unoptimally large' end of block size for vfat ...
[03:45] <Bonhomme> I forgot that >_<
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> and isent there a file size limit? i aint messed with vfat in ages
[03:46] <Bonhomme> Dr_Willis: there's a size limit for individual files I think
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> XP seems to hate the idea of using fat for anything. :(
[03:46] <Bonhomme> Dr_Willis: I vaguely remember '4gb' ;)
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> work time fo rme..  BBL.
[03:46] <Bonhomme> which would defeat the purpose ... since it would make DVDISOs hard to store there
[03:47] <gan|y|med> gimp gurus here (i have tried #gimp)?
[03:47] <intelikey> kde is still screwy...   it's reading from one dir and writing to another.
[03:48] <dhq> !sources
[03:48] <gan|y|med> there is an overall limit of 32gb for fat32 in windows, which, interestingly, does not hold for linux
[03:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:48] <dhq> !sources
[03:48] <intelikey> then wondering why it can't find it's files.
[03:48] <Bonhomme> intelikey: that in itself doesn't sound bad? I mean cp does that ;)
[03:48] <intelikey> Bonhomme no. the configs  .kde/
[03:49] <intelikey> it's trying to read them in ~/.kde/  but writing them to another dir.
[03:49] <Bonhomme> that's ... weird
[03:49] <intelikey> yep
[03:49] <Bonhomme> I've not had that but then I don't use startx
[03:49] <dhq> how to get default config of sources.list
[03:49] <dhq> !sourcelist
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourcelist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <dhq> !sources.list
[03:49] <intelikey> each time it starts it runs the first time wizard
[03:49] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:49] <dhq> !easysource
[03:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:50] <Bonhomme> intelikey: is there an obstacle to using kdm?
[03:50] <intelikey> then hangs at starting the window manager cause the configs it just wrote are not where it's looking for them
[03:50] <intelikey> Bonhomme no  but it does the same thing.
[03:50] <Bonhomme> intelikey: using stock versions of stuff??
[03:51] <intelikey> yeah as far as kde is concerned.
[03:51] <intelikey> home is not where home would be by default
[03:52] <intelikey> Bonhomme want to test something with kde ?   "requires root."
[03:52] <Bonhomme> intelikey: maybe that's the problem - it's not resolving it but using /home/user/?
[03:53] <intelikey> that's exactly the problem
[03:53] <Bonhomme> intelikey: I dunno - is it going to break my KDE? coz that would be mildly annoying this time of night ;)
[03:53] <TheCobra> hi can anybody help me with my kubuntu
[03:53] <TheCobra> I want to set up my twin view
[03:53] <intelikey> no it won't break it.  but it's already broke
[03:53] <TheCobra> when I get the login  screen the twinview works
[03:54] <TheCobra> but when I login it is back to 1 screen again
[03:54] <Bonhomme> TheCobra: have you set it all up in system settings -> display?
[03:54] <Bonhomme> intelikey: shoot
[03:54] <TheCobra> installed my ati drivers
[03:54] <intelikey> Bonhomme change the home dir for root then as root do startx (assuming kde will be the desktop)
[03:54] <TheCobra> there I switch to twinview but
[03:55] <TheCobra> it seems he doesn't want to accept it
[03:55] <Bonhomme> repeating now my simple question regarding 5 button pointing rodents in kubuntu 6.06 ... basically I want one of the extra buttons to map to 'close active window' but am having no luck. I've used xbindkeys to map it to 'alt+F4' but it doesn't close the window like alt+f4 does. xev shows the keypress events generated by the mouse click with 'synthetic = YES' (xev closes if I really press alt-f4)
[03:56] <Bonhomme> TheCobra: ah I dunno, I don't have a twinview card ... the options do seem to be there but if they don't work then *shrugs*... sorry
[03:56] <TheCobra> np
[03:56] <Shadowhywind> morning all
[03:56] <Bonhomme> intelikey: is that going to just recreate the bug you described?
[03:57] <MrObvious> mornin
[03:57] <intelikey> if (and that's a big if) it actually gets you into kde open a konsole and type echo ~    see where it says the home dir is.
[03:57] <Shadowhywind> is there a built in dhcp command in linux? i just installed edgy 64, and my ethernet card isn't dhcp'ing and i can't figure out how to configure it correctly
[03:57] <intelikey> it's remaping my ~ and $HOME to a bogus (hard coded) dir
[03:58] <intelikey> not using the real home
[03:58] <intelikey> and yes you are correct.  that will be checking if your kde and my kde do the same thing.
[03:59] <Bonhomme> hmm ok
[04:00] <TheCobra> hmm trying to restart my x
[04:01] <Bonhomme> Shadowhywind: ifconfig <interface> up should have it automatically attempt to get a DHCP lease
[04:01] <Bonhomme> Shadowhywind: I'm stumped as to why you'd even need to do that though
[04:01] <Shadowhywind> oh thats what i didn';t do!
[04:01] <Shadowhywind> or try i should say
[04:02] <intelikey> Bonhomme it's not an x issue. blackbox fluxbox icewm xfce4 and twm all work correctly with the changed home...
[04:02] <Shadowhywind> my eth card is allready up, but maybe i should down it and up it again
[04:03] <bombero> hi, im looking for toll to confix X11 (3D support)
[04:03] <Shadowhywind> if i down it and and up it again, and that still doesn't work any other ideas?
[04:03] <bombero> hi, im looking for tool to confix X11 (3D support)
[04:03] <dhq> my kdm dosnt start i have to start via startx
[04:04] <intelikey> dhq man update-rc.d
[04:04] <Bonhomme> Shadowhywind: I would be double/triple checking cables and whatever's at the other end of them at that stage
[04:04] <intelikey> dhq  have you tested to make sure that kdm will work ?
[04:04] <intelikey> sudo kdm
[04:05] <intelikey> bombero what card ?
[04:05] <Shadowhywind> *i am connected to the internet now* duel-boot
[04:05] <bombero> intelikey: NVidia
[04:06] <intelikey> !ati
[04:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:06] <intelikey> check that link bombero ^
[04:06] <unfknblvbl> okay this is wierd, i can change my graphics settings, there doesn't apppear to be any error in testing them, but the settings are not saved ?
[04:06] <unfknblvbl> i go apply
[04:06] <unfknblvbl> and change it all
[04:06] <unfknblvbl> but it doesn't save it >.<
[04:06] <bombero> intelikey: ok, thanx
[04:06] <Bonhomme> intelikey: what's the quick way to get a root shell? root account being locked ...
[04:06] <Bonhomme> (I'm new to ubuntu ... not being able to just use 'su' kinda shits me ;p)
[04:06] <intelikey> sudo -i
[04:07] <intelikey> hehhe if you really like su   sudo su -
[04:07] <Jucato> intelikey: would that ask for a root password? or just the first user's password
[04:07] <Bonhomme> it's probably better for me not to use root shells all the time ;)
[04:08] <intelikey> Jucato just the normal sudo thang
[04:08] <Jucato> so what would be the different between these 3? sudo -i, sudo -s, sudo su -
[04:08] <intelikey> root can su or sudo or what ever without auth
[04:08] <intelikey> ah -s  i'd have to check  the other two nada
[04:09] <intelikey> except an extra app  of course
[04:09] <Jucato> thans intelikey! I tried reading the man page, but.. heck, my intelligence has it's limits...
[04:09] <intelikey> same end result
[04:09] <Jucato> what extra app?
[04:09] <intelikey> su
[04:09] <Jucato> ah
[04:10] <Jucato> so sudo -i is more recommended, since it doesn't have that extra app?
[04:10] <Bonhomme> hmm what's the name of that nifty package that gives console mouse support?
[04:10] <intelikey> like the differance in doing  script.sh   and  sh script.sh
[04:10] <Bonhomme> it was like ... 3 letters
[04:10] <intelikey> Jucato yep
[04:10] <_Shade_> hi there
[04:11] <intelikey> and the *buntu    use only sudo   never su or root...
[04:11] <_Shade_> how do you like the latest edgy theme eh ? ;)
[04:11] <Bonhomme> intelikey: anyway kde does the same thing for me
[04:11] <Bonhomme> intelikey: changed root's home dir to /home/root and verified that it changes for console logins
[04:11] <intelikey> Bonhomme did it hange or run ?
[04:11] <Jucato> _Shade_: nice, not my personal favorite, but it's good :)
[04:11] <Bonhomme> intelikey: ran kde and verified that itwas using /root
[04:11] <intelikey> k
[04:12] <Bonhomme> intelikey: it ran but I already have all the stuff set up in /root (I didn't move any files, just edited /etc/passwd)
[04:12] <_Shade_> Jucato: well i find it's too bright, I preffered the dapper stuff - it was much better imho
[04:12] <intelikey> hmmm so you had ran kde as root before... maybe i should have tried that.
[04:14] <_Shade_> i regret that adept will still be a default package manager in edgy
[04:14] <Jucato> I haven't noticed the brightness. Actually the Dapper theme was a bit bright if you're considering the contrast between the (darker) blue window borders and the (lighter) white windows. The wallpaper is definitely lighter than Dapper's
[04:14] <Bonhomme> intelikey: whoa
[04:14] <intelikey> Bonhomme what's also starange to my is that if i  rm -r /root and try it it just remakes it and does the same junk.
[04:14] <Bonhomme> intelikey: my existing kde did something very strange
[04:14] <Jucato> _Shade_: It's still growing, and evolving. slowly, but it's getting there...
[04:14] <Bonhomme> intelikey: can you not just symlink /root to wherever you want?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: What were you looking for?
[04:15] <intelikey> i could but why would i them move out if i was going to leave a forwarding address.....
[04:15] <Jucato> DaSkreech:  <_Shade_> how do you like the latest edgy theme eh ? ;)
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What?
[04:15] <Bonhomme> intelikey: interestingly my current kde just ... froze ... no keyboard (even num lock or ctrl-alt-backsp or ctrl-alt-f1) or anything
[04:16] <Jucato> he/she was just asking about the Edgy theme/colros
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Bonhomme: Can you move the mouse?
[04:16] <Bonhomme> intelikey: eventually after mashing keys I got back to tty1 and killed the other X session and moved root back
[04:16] <Jucato> s/colros/colors
[04:16] <Bonhomme> DaSkreech: I could (everything back to normal now, as evidenced by the whole 'typing' thing)
[04:16] <intelikey> Bonhomme what?  hanged the existing one ?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Jucato: _Shade_ also said "i regret that adept will still be a default package manager in edgy"
[04:16] <Bonhomme> intelikey: dunno if it was related
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Which is what I was asking about
[04:16] <Bonhomme> intelikey: also don't know how I got control back so I might leave that one alone ;)
[04:16] <_Shade_> i'm just going to give knot 2 a try
[04:16] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ah ok... sorry :)
[04:16] <intelikey> see it's been hanging my root kde
[04:17] <Bonhomme> why do you even run a root kde?
[04:17] <Jucato> _Shade_: just on another partition or a different box :)
[04:17] <intelikey> cause i'm all mounted nosuid
[04:17] <Bonhomme> but then isn't running a root X session kinda defeating the purpose?
[04:17] <intelikey> i thought i'd adjust the timezone cause it was 6 hours off
[04:17] <Bonhomme> don't you think you're abusing the security system a bit?
[04:18] <intelikey> yeah
[04:18] <Bonhomme> hmm you don't need KDE for that do you?
[04:18] <Bonhomme> ntpdate?
[04:19] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: i find adept is very unfriendly... i prefer the gnome tools... it's updater and add/remove programs is much better as well (imo)
[04:19] <intelikey> yes actually i did.   hw clock set to gtm and console `date `  was correct but in user kde the clock was 6 off
[04:19] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: In what way?
[04:20] <intelikey> so the only way to set the clock in kde was in kde  and root has to do it...    or if there is another way i'm not fameliar with it.
[04:20] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: you mean "what's wrong with adept"" or "what's good about the gnome stuff" ?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Eihter you'd like to start with
[04:20] <Bonhomme> intelikey: oh dear
[04:20] <Bonhomme> intelikey: that kde experiment hosed my XAuth for this X session
[04:21] <Bonhomme> intelikey: now nothing new will stasrt
[04:21] <Bonhomme> intelikey: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:21] <intelikey> you can kill it sudo rm /root/.*auth*  start it again.
[04:22] <Bonhomme> /root?
[04:22] <intelikey> that's all you changed isn't it
[04:22] <Bonhomme> intelikey: yeah but this kde session isn't root
[04:22] <Bonhomme> intelikey: it's running as user (supposedly)
[04:22] <intelikey> and yes if you run kde as user it still uses /root
[04:22] <Bonhomme> intelikey: and it's not been stopped, I ran the otehr on another display (-- :2)
[04:23] <Bonhomme> hmm ok
[04:23] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: i find the gnome tools are more... errr.. clear and compact. There is just what you need it their GUI. In adept there's a lots of many unusable options and stuff what makes it more complicated
[04:23] <intelikey> that's my gripe.   kde is hard coded to use /root   and should not be.
[04:24] <Bonhomme> so a userspace window manager process can write to the /root home directory. wonderful
[04:24] <intelikey> yep.   and it shouldn't use root's home.   /tmp even.   or /var/lib/kde
[04:24] <intelikey> but not hard coded /root
[04:25] <intelikey> that was one of the reasons i moved root out of /root
[04:25] <Bonhomme> (what's wrong with the user's home dir...)
[04:25] <intelikey> nothing
[04:25] <intelikey> that was the way it used to work
[04:26] <intelikey> i don't know who or why they changed it.  but i call it a bug.
[04:26] <Bonhomme> (I bet it is)
[04:26] <tobias_> hello all! I'm using kubuntu dapper & mount several windoze-partitions of a local file-server on boot. When I hibernate my laptop & start it again later, the system comes back up (Yeah!) but it isn't working correctly - saying that the process system has stopped working. The mounts are gone then.
[04:26] <intelikey> sure.   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <tobias_> any hints?
[04:26] <Bonhomme> (see I was right)
[04:27] <Bonhomme> intelikey: holy crap that's a long list XD
[04:27] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: True but I think there is an adept simple mode
[04:27] <intelikey> Bonhomme yep
[04:28] <Bonhomme> oh here's a nice one - is there a way to make apt-get fork and get more than one package at once?
[04:29] <Jucato> Bonhomme: you mean like apt-get install package1 package2 package3?
[04:29] <Bonhomme> I'm downloading from my ISP's local mirror, on a 12mbit connection, and getting 150kb/sec, which is stupid (and I don't know how it manages - debian's apt-get, which I'd have thought is the same - pushed the limit)
[04:29] <intelikey> Bonhomme it does bu default ?
[04:29] <Bonhomme> no, it downloads package1, then package2
[04:29] <Bonhomme> it doesn't open 2 concurrent downloads for packages 1 and 2
[04:29] <Jucato> aah, you mean simultaneously
[04:29] <Bonhomme> I want it to grab say, 3 at once
[04:30] <Bonhomme> or 5
[04:30] <intelikey> mine gets up to three at a time
[04:30] <intelikey> two always
[04:30] <Jucato> intelikey: does it simultaneuosly download packages?
[04:30] <Bonhomme> intelikey: anything special you did?
[04:30] <intelikey> Jucato yes
[04:30] <Jucato> I mean while package1 is downloading, it's downloading package2 also?
[04:30] <mindspin> yup
[04:31] <intelikey> Bonhomme installed ubuntu hoary and upgraded to dapper.... that maybe the differance
[04:31] <intelikey> Jucato yes
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Mine does that as well btw
[04:31] <mindspin> its the same on a fresh dapper install too
[04:31] <Jucato> ah
[04:31] <Jucato> I didn't notice that, just like Bonhomme. :)
[04:31] <intelikey> one two and three  all have % indicators
[04:31] <Jucato> I do notice that in Adept or Synaptic
[04:32] <Jucato> but not in apt-get
[04:32] <mindspin> you tried it from console? then you should see...
[04:32] <Bonhomme>  <intelikey> Bonhomme installed ubuntu hoary and upgraded to dapper.... that maybe the differance <-- lies!
[04:32] <intelikey> lies ?
[04:32] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: i also like the gnome updater and the add/remove section because i like the way they show you apps/updates available. Not only that there's a patch available. It's a more detailed view but yet easy to get, and useful
[04:32] <Bonhomme> isn't 6.06 dapper?
[04:33] <intelikey> yes
[04:33] <Bonhomme> so that's what I installed
[04:33] <Jucato> _Shade_: Adept Updater also has that, last time I checked
[04:33] <intelikey> you misread
[04:33] <Bonhomme> I didn't install haory and upgrade
[04:33] <Bonhomme> oh
[04:33] <Bonhomme> right
[04:33] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Yeah we been complaining about that a long time :) have you read mornfall's blog. That's kinda what he's working on now
[04:33] <intelikey> i was telling you that i did that.
[04:33] <Bonhomme> sigh.
[04:33] <Bonhomme> 00:33 <-- time
[04:33] <Bonhomme> that's my excuse
[04:33] <mindspin> Bonhomme: dont't blame intelikey it was a guess not a lie
[04:34] <intelikey> in answer to your question "<Bonhomme> intelikey: anything special you did?"
[04:34] <Bonhomme> mindspin: no it was just my illiteracy
[04:35] <intelikey> so bx doesn't add the fancy colen on tab completion of nicks....  so what.
[04:35] <Bonhomme> intelikey: can you see anything in your /etc/apt/apt.conf about queue-modes?
[04:35] <intelikey> nope
[04:35] <Bonhomme> bx does - it adds an ugly bold colon, unless you changed it
[04:36] <Bonhomme> (which I could understand)
[04:36] <intelikey> Bonhomme <--- where ?
[04:36] <Bonhomme> intelikey: maybe whoever packaged it changed it
[04:36] <Bonhomme> also understandable
[04:36] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: no i haven't. Can you paste a link please ?
[04:36] <_Shade_> Jucato: that's good, because last time I did it it was simply a list of patches and nothing more... well i can always go to more detailed view and see what i am about to install but it's not so convenient
[04:36] <Bonhomme> bitchx bold colon is the fastest way to get banned from EFNet #linux (or was ... last time I went to that channel years ago)
[04:37] <_Shade_> i find the kde apps seems like.... just GUIs and not much further if you guys know what i mean
[04:37] <intelikey> key word "years ago"   bx did hasn't in years.
[04:37] <DaSkreech> http://web.mornfall.net/blog.html
[04:37] <Jucato> _Shade_: there's an arrow that points to the right beside the package name. if you click it, it will see options for viewing more details.
[04:37] <trappist> _Shade_: if you mean they're mostly frontends to stuff you could do on the console, that's pretty right on
[04:38] <intelikey> what can be done in the gui that cant be done in the console ?
[04:38] <Jucato> _Shade_: Linux GUI's are actually really just frontends to command line stuff.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> As all things should be :)
[04:39] <Jucato> unlike in that other OS...
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What's openWengo a front end for?
[04:39] <Trollinator> Jucato: bs
[04:39] <Jucato> eheh
[04:39] <Jucato> ok, mostly
[04:39] <Jucato> "most" Linux GUI's
[04:39] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:39] <Jucato> Trollinator: do you really have to say that?
[04:39] <Trollinator> let's say "some"
[04:40] <larson9999> finally realised i wasn't going to be able to resolve my random ati lockups and figured i'd call ati tech support as a last effort before returning this system.  the rep told me i should know that while there is a driver for linux, they don't provice phone tech support for linux
[04:40] <intelikey> what is openwengo ?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Trollinator: I think Most is a good coverage :)
[04:40] <intelikey> !info openwingo
[04:40] <ubotu> Package openwingo does not exist in any distro I know
[04:40] <DaSkreech> larson9999: They suck
[04:40] <_Shade_> Jucato: i didn't mean that... just please compare the apps like updater, package manager and add remove in both - gnome and kde and you'll see what i mean
[04:40] <Bonhomme> larson9999: I'm surprised you got more than "duh ... what's a linux?"
[04:41] <Bonhomme> ok I'm going to restart this session
[04:41] <Bonhomme> not being able to open a web browser kinda sucks for RTFMing
[04:41] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i'm not unhappy with this system or the performance of the card except for the fact that i locks up 2-3 times a day with the ati drivers and the oss don't give 3d
[04:41] <Jucato> _Shade_: well, updater and add/remove are recent additions, trying to "mimic" (for lack of a better term) precisely those Synaptic apps of the same name. But like I said, it's a work in progress. give it a bit more time. Synaptic enjoys something that Adept doesn't: time
[04:42] <Bonhomme> larson9999: I think by 'they' he meant the tech support not the cards
[04:42] <_Shade_> trappist: not quite... i meant that the gnome's stuff has much bigger functionality and it is more user friendly although i prefer kde
[04:42] <larson9999> Bonhomme: i used to get that a lot with tech support :)  the cable company used to be fun to talk to :)
[04:42] <Jucato> by time, I mean that Synapttic has been in existence far longer than Adept has. so logically it would be better in some aspects
[04:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It's supposed to be the open source Skype killa
[04:42] <larson9999> Bonhomme: yeah
[04:43] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: What functionality
[04:43] <trappist> _Shade_: I prefer kde because kde seems to prefer configurability over user-friendliness, with a good balance.  gnome is more user-friendly, I think, but sacrifices too much in the way of configurability for me.
[04:43] <intelikey> ok.   hmmm   and there is not a cli way to do what it does ?   hard to imagen...
[04:43] <intelikey> /topic
[04:43] <intelikey> ??
[04:44] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i told her i'd been using nvidia for years but heard ati was becoming more linux friendly and the purpose of the call was to keep me from returning it and going nvidia.  she said, "sorry i can't help you."   :)
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :-) I love it when they keep hte front desk in teh dark
[04:44] <intelikey> i think we can remove that last line now.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> the
[04:44] <intelikey> it's been what two weeks ?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Three
[04:45] <intelikey> ooops what's this all about ?
[04:46] <intelikey> Can't open /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash
[04:46] <Bonhomme> intelikey: it couldn't spell the path to the file correctly? ;)
[04:46] <intelikey> tty2 [root@~]  ls /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash
[04:46] <intelikey> hehhe
[04:47] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me is linuxwacom-dev implemented in ubuntu
[04:47] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: forgive my mistake :). They do both the same task so the functionality should be at the same level as well, but i think the gnome apps (i mean the one mentioned before) are more proffesional and mature
[04:47] <intelikey> file exists  /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash   but why is it red ?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Yup agreed :-)
[04:47] <intelikey> what does colour red mean in ls colours ?
[04:48] <Jucato> _Shade_: agreed. they are more mature. because they are older :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> I love the tags in adept though Keeps me from jumping ship
[04:48] <Pensacola> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Pensacola/desktop.jpg I love kubuntu :)
[04:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I wish I could learn how to use those...
[04:48] <DaSkreech> And I don't ever see Synaptic getting those
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Want a quick course :)
[04:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: probably if debtags became more used?
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[04:48] <intelikey> ah broken link
[04:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: a quick page, perhaps?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Pensacola: Where did you get the calendar
[04:49] <Jucato> superkaramba?
[04:49] <Pensacola> gdesklets
[04:49] <Jucato> yikes
[04:49] <Jucato> lol
[04:49] <Jucato> that was an answer I was prepared for :D
[04:49] <intelikey> hmmm points to  /etc/dictionaries-common/default.hash  that file is missing....
[04:49] <_Shade_> well all we need is a bit of patience it seems :)
[04:49] <Jucato> intelikey: ah I remember... red colors mean broken symlinks :)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Nope :) We need to be  good users
[04:50] <intelikey> lol
[04:50] <intelikey> Jucato i just said that  ^
[04:50] <intelikey> :)
[04:50] <_Shade_> ok gtg,,, it was nice to tallk to you guys
[04:50] <Jucato> intelikey: heh, that's why I just remembered :)
[04:50] <_Shade_> layers
[04:50] <_Shade_> lol
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: poke me when you have Adept open
[04:50] <_Shade_> laters
[04:51] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Bye :)
[04:51] <Jucato> bye
[04:51] <Bonhomme> hmm who waas it who said apt-get doesn't do >1 download simultaneously, but adept etc do?
[04:51] <Bonhomme> for me adept also doesn't
[04:51] <Jucato> I think I said that...
[04:52] <Jucato> Just for those who might be interested in taking a quick pick of Edgy (like default apps, or the New System Settings): http://jucato.multiply.com/photos/album/22
[04:53] <intelikey> hmmm why don't i have an ispell common hash file ?
[04:54] <johey> Hi!
[04:54] <Mr0bvious> hi
[04:54] <Mr0bvious> !hi
[04:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to $chan!
[04:54] <Mr0bvious> lol
[04:55] <Jucato> :)
[04:55] <Jucato> !hi
[04:55] <Jucato> hm... didn't respond :)
[04:55] <Bonhomme> jucato - looks exactly like dapper!
[04:55] <Jucato> Bonhomme: except for the color themes
[04:55] <Jucato> and the new system settings
[04:55] <intelikey> Jucato hehhe it's the owner of the bot.... think about it.
[04:55] <johey> I have just booted Kubuntu on my Acer Aspire 1352 laptop for my first time. Everything is really well configured by default after it is finally started, but the framebuffer at boot is completely messed up. Will it be so after the install as well, or is it just the live cd?
[04:56] <johey> Live DVD that is. I downloaded yesterday. 6.06 I believe.
[04:56] <johey> ah, one more thing. The framebuffer works fine with Gentoo live CD.
[04:57] <intelikey> johey it's configurable
[04:57] <Mr0bvious> What's the framebuffer? :|
[04:58] <intelikey> yeah try booting with vga=771
[04:58] <intelikey> or what ever [f5]  tells you
[04:58] <Bonhomme> or if it doesn't bother you just install and change it when you've got an isntallation
[04:58] <Bonhomme> who cares about the livecd
[04:59] <intelikey> Bonhomme i only mentioned about the live cause if it will work on the live....
[04:59] <Bonhomme> intelikey: I spent more time working out how to make apt download faster (and failing) than the download was originally going to take ><
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Bonhomme: Always do that kind of stuff in parallel
[05:00] <intelikey> ahh another execrise in futility
[05:00] <intelikey> :)
[05:00] <intelikey> been there
[05:00] <Bonhomme> yeah >_<
[05:00] <intelikey> done that
[05:00] <Bonhomme> well it's only 130mb
[05:00] <Bonhomme> adept does seem to be doing a better job than command line apt
[05:00] <Bonhomme> which is weird coz I thought it just _ran_ command line apt
[05:00] <intelikey> vanity of vanities, all is vanity...
[05:01] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Solomon?
[05:01] <intelikey> it does run apt
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: If you teach me how to use Skim I'll teach yuo how to use tags :)
[05:01] <intelikey>  and yes
[05:01] <Bonhomme> so anyone have any idea how to bind an extra mouse button to 'close window'?
[05:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh I don't know how to use Skim. I just know what it is :)
[05:01] <weedar> Is there any way of searching through all mounted directories for a file? slocate doesn't seem to look through /media at all :/
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Damn >_<
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Someone must know how to use that thing
[05:02] <Chousuke> weedar: find
[05:02] <Bonhomme> weedar: find / -name *.foo (for example)
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Oh Jucato you are edgied right?
[05:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yes. I'm a bit edgy too. :D
[05:03] <Mr0bvious> Who here knows about VNC? I want to change the WM that is used.
[05:03] <Jucato> j/k
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Does katapult have a spelling module?
[05:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: here? nope
[05:03] <Mr0bvious> I normally use E17 but VNC uses KDE.
[05:04] <weedar> Thank you Bonhomme :)
[05:04] <Jucato> I think that's a limitation of Katapult itself?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Well Riddel wrote a spelling plugin for it
[05:04] <Jucato> btw, it's only now that I discover that Katapult's display/theme could actually be changed...
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Oh Yah :) It Rocks
[05:05] <Bonhomme> what's a katapult?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Bonhomme: Alt+Space = katapult
[05:05] <Jucato> !katapult
[05:05] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:05] <shadowhywind> so yah, putting my connection down and bringing it back up didn't work, any other ideas?
[05:07] <Bonhomme> oh nice
[05:07] <Jucato> Bonhomme: it's installed by default starting Dapper. :)
[05:07] <intelikey> what am i missing here.  i reinstalled "dictionaries-common"  but i still dont have an /etc/dictionaries-common/default.hash    ???
[05:08] <johey> intelikey: Ah oki, good. I'm installing Kubuntu on my laptop at the moment. I hope it will be easy to configure it permanently later on.
[05:08] <Bonhomme> shadowhywind: can you check any kind of logs at the other end of that network cable?
[05:08] <Bonhomme> intelikey: I don't have that file either
[05:10] <intelikey> Bonhomme does ispell work ?    `echo boo | ispell -a `
[05:10] <Bonhomme> bash: ispell: command not found <-- nope ;)
[05:11] <Bonhomme> btw adept downloaded all those packages ages ago and now is stuck on 'preparing' ... is that normal?
[05:11] <intelikey> :)
[05:11] <daniloc> i need one help
[05:11] <daniloc> how to create mysql database name jinzura ?
[05:12] <Bonhomme> oh there was an interactive prompt from debconf
[05:12] <Bonhomme> sneaky
[05:12] <Bonhomme> daniloc: connect to the server and do 'create database jinzura'
[05:12] <Bonhomme> daniloc: to set a password read mysql manual section on GRANT
[05:13] <daniloc> grant?
[05:13] <Bonhomme> yeah
[05:13] <Bonhomme> grant
[05:13] <daniloc> what is that?
[05:14] <Bonhomme> once you create a database you want a user, eg. 'dani' to have access with a password
[05:14] <daniloc> i know
[05:14] <intelikey> hmmmm maybe doing   `find /usr/*bin/ -name update* -exec {} \;`  wasn't such a good idea....
[05:14] <daniloc> where to find that
[05:14] <Bonhomme> to do that you grant permissions on database X to user 'dani' identified by password 'abc123'
[05:14] <daniloc> i must create database name jinzora2 and password
[05:14] <Bonhomme> but I can't remember the exact syntax
[05:15] <DaSkreech> where is Rich Text in Kopete?
[05:15] <Healot> grant all privileges <enter> to 'dani'@'localhost' identified by 'password';
[05:16] <intelikey> well that worked... what ever it was that didn't get done before got done now... now i have a default.hash
[05:16] <Bonhomme> healot ftw
[05:16] <daniloc> Healot how to do that?
[05:16] <daniloc> i am n00000b
[05:17] <Bonhomme> so ... question
[05:17] <Healot> daniloc: for starter, I suggest you use MySQL GUI tools
[05:17] <Bonhomme> is there a way to programatically control kde or other WM events, via say a script?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Bonhomme: dcop
[05:17] <daniloc> what tools?
[05:17] <Bonhomme> eg. 'close active window'
[05:17] <daniloc> tell me, i dont know nothing
[05:17] <mindspin> daniloc I would suggest phpmyadmin
[05:17] <intelikey> you bet
[05:18] <intelikey> but don't ask me how.
[05:18] <daniloc> ok
[05:18] <Bonhomme> This manual page documents briefly the dcop command. <-- they aren't joking when they say 'briefly'
[05:18] <Healot> MySQL GUI tools... the exact name
[05:18] <mindspin> but read some documentation about it
[05:18] <Healot> download it at mysql website
[05:19] <mindspin> first
[05:19] <intelikey> Bonhomme yeah   /usr/share/doc/*  might have more info... "key word (might)"
[05:19] <mindspin> because when you are a real noob, you first should have a bit of knowledge how a webserver is configured aso
[05:20] <mindspin> what do you mysql need for?
[05:20] <Bonhomme> daniloc: I would recommend first doing a tutorial of some sort ... google for 'mysql tutorial' and find one that looks nice
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Are there new examples for edgy?
[05:20] <daniloc> thanks
[05:20] <daniloc> i will do thath
[05:20] <daniloc> whanks a lot
[05:20] <daniloc> :)
[05:20] <Jucato> none yet. probably in the next days :)
[05:21] <Jucato> will keep you updated :)
[05:22] <intelikey> well bless my time.  no wonder find /usr -name update* -exec {}  fixed it...   tab reveales   update-ispell-dictionary   hehhe should have know...
[05:23] <Bonhomme> intelikey: it _almost_ seems easier to learn to spell doesn't it ;)
[05:24] <Bonhomme> I'm going to try the gnome environment now... brb
[05:25] <intelikey> why was `update-pciids` doing a wget from sourceforge.net ???
[05:26] <intelikey> Bonhomme  it's a little late for that  ;/
[05:28] <intelikey> ok   i'm going to leave for several moments.
[05:29] <Bonhomme> what's the gnome package manager proggie called?
[05:29] <Bonhomme> that is, the gnome GUI to apt
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Synaptic
[05:33] <Healot> not to be confused with synaptics << a pointer device driver ;)
[05:33] <eeos> abattoir hi there
[05:34] <abattoir> eeos: hi
[05:34] <Jucato> lol
[05:34] <abattoir> eeos: sorry for asking... did i answer whatever question you asked me?
[05:34] <Jucato> i keep on forgetting the apostrophe too
[05:34] <eeos> abattoir di you understand what wa shappening in the error message?
[05:34] <eeos> abattoir no :D
[05:34] <abattoir> eeos: ok, wait one sec...
[05:36] <_thumper_> Hi all
[05:36] <_thumper_> I have dapper on my vaio sz2xp
[05:36] <_thumper_> the headphone jack used to work
[05:36] <_thumper_> at some stage, one of the automatic updates caused it to stop working
[05:36] <_thumper_> for example
[05:36] <_thumper_> right now I have a monty python video in firefox
[05:37] <_thumper_> when I have the headphones not plugged in I get the audio out the speakers
[05:37] <_thumper_> but when I plug them in, nothing
[05:37] <_thumper_> the headphones work with my iriver fine
[05:37] <_thumper_> ideas?
[05:37] <_thumper_> System settings has audio device set to autodetect
[05:38] <befuddled> zomg i'm going to cry
[05:38] <DaSkreech> do You know what day it happened?
[05:38] <_thumper_> no
[05:38] <_thumper_> weeks ago I think
[05:38] <_thumper_> but hasn't really been a problem
[05:38] <_thumper_> just irritating
[05:39] <Bonhomme> anyone found sound not working in kdetv?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> All players don't output thought the headphones?
[05:39] <_thumper_> maybe
[05:39] <_thumper_> is there any way to tell which device it chose with autodetect?
[05:39] <_thumper_> or is there one that I should force?
[05:39] <_thumper_> ALSA?
[05:39] <befuddled> yeh my sound innit working either
[05:40] <Bonhomme> befuddled: was that for me or thumper?
[05:40] <abattoir> eeos: how does your /etc/fstab in the chroot look?
[05:41] <abattoir> eeos: sorry, your normal /etc/fstab
[05:41] <befuddled> Bonhomme: it wuz 4 u
[05:42] <befuddled> how do i get the kubuntu to save my changes in the display settings ??
[05:42] <befuddled> i change them, go test, no message appears, then click apply, no message appears
[05:43] <befuddled> and the restart x and nothing is changed >.<
[05:43] <befuddled> anyone ?
[05:44] <TheFuzzball> hey, does anyone know how to fix it when KDE doesn't logout when I right click and it doesn't logout?
[05:44] <dhq> hey all
[05:45] <befuddled> hey
[05:46] <Guest571> hi
[05:46] <Guest571> i have a serious prob with my internet
[05:46] <Guest571> no prog ex skype gets access
[05:47] <Guest571> router,connection is fine
[05:47] <Guest571> cannot even ping
[05:48] <v3ctor> ping 72.14.207.99
[05:49] <Guest571> tried adresses and even ips
[05:50] <Guest571> at the moment I am running M
[05:50] <v3ctor> traceroute 72.14.207.99
[05:50] <v3ctor> see where it stops
[05:50] <Guest571> I online using M$ win
[05:50] <Bonhomme> sleep time, nite all
[05:50] <v3ctor> then write all of this down for later
[05:50] <Guest571> because only have 1 pc avlbl
[05:50] <Guest571> okey
[05:51] <Nickname> hello
[05:51] <Nickname> I just DL the Kubunto ISO...I un archived it but the folder doesn't end in .ISO
[05:52] <Nickname> what files do I burn to disk?
[05:52] <Guest571> i can access the routers utilities
[05:52] <Nickname> please
[05:52] <introp> Nickname: What is the filename that unpacked?
[05:52] <v3ctor> you can ping the router?
[05:52] <Guest571> yes
[05:52] <Guest571> and it can ping the net
[05:53] <v3ctor> most likely problem with default route setting
[05:53] <Nickname> kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386
[05:53] <Guest571> but m$win works fine and kubuntu did 2days ago and Idid not change a thing
[05:54] <Nickname> its a folder containing lots of stuff....i tried burning  disk as is but it didn't work
[05:54] <introp> Nickname: What was the name of the file you downloaded?
[05:55] <Zeergon> kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386
[05:55] <Zeergon> was in the live cd/install section...
[05:56] <Martijn81> Zeergon: without a file extension?
[05:56] <introp> Did you start from http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php ?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: Where did you get it from?
[05:56] <Zeergon> Yes I did
[05:56] <Zeergon> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: Windows?
[05:57] <Zeergon> DaS: yes
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Do you have Winrar?
[05:57] <Zeergon> yes
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Sweet open it with Winrar
[05:57] <Zeergon> I did and it gave me a folder of the same name
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Whats in that folder?
[05:58] <introp> Hmm.  All files downloaded from the links from kubuntu.org are typically .iso files.
[05:58] <Zeergon> a fw folders, some icons, a bitmap...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Yep it could be renamed for some reason
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: how big is it?
[05:58] <Zeergon> the folder is...
[05:59] <Zeergon> 698MB 522 files 97 folders
[06:00] <befuddled> where can i find the X configuration tool ?
[06:00] <Zeergon> BTW: of all the Linux distro communities I've delt with, y'all are by far the nicest.  So thank you...
[06:02] <befuddled> where can i find the X configuration tool ?
[06:02] <Martijn81> befuddled: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:02] <befuddled> ty
[06:03] <Zeergon> anyway, so I am confused...
[06:04] <Jucato> Zeergon: sorry came in late into the conversation.. what are you trying to do again?
[06:04] <Martijn81> Zeergon: you should burn the iso file as image
[06:04] <introp> Zeergon: the file you downloaded was probably an ISO.  Try renaming it and looking at it with an iso tool.
[06:04] <Zeergon> I DL the kubutu disk (i386) and did not get an iso file.
[06:04] <Zeergon> so name it as .ISO?
[06:04] <Healot> 
[06:04] <Zeergon> simple as that?
[06:04] <Jucato> Zeergon: you have winRAR installed, right?
[06:05] <Zeergon> yes and I un archived it.
[06:05] <Martijn81> Zeergon: on the download page is a link to a short page that covers burning the iso file
[06:05] <Zeergon> gave me a folder
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: It seems to be the right file
[06:05] <Jucato> Zeergon: don't unarchive it
[06:05] <vge> ya, waste of time
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: try just puttin a .iso on it and burning it
[06:05] <Martijn81> Zeergon: see this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: What do you use to burn CDs?
[06:05] <Zeergon> put .iso on the archive or on the unarchived folder?
[06:05] <Messaboogie> Im a retard and totally forgot how to store output of command into a variable?
[06:06] <Zeergon> DaS I use nero
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Messaboogie: A variable or a file?
[06:06] <Jucato> Zeergon: the reason it seems that you don't have an ISO is because WinRAR sees it as an archive. but it's really an ISO
[06:06] <Jucato> Messaboogie: command > file
[06:06] <introp> Messaboogie: x=`command`
[06:06] <Messaboogie> DaSkreech: variable
[06:06] <Zeergon> TY Marijin
[06:06] <DaSkreech> variable = $(command)
[06:07] <Jucato> ah sorry wrong comand :)
[06:07] <Zeergon> so rename the "archive" as an .iso and try burning?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: No I think it is a ISO. But WinRar has taken it over :)
[06:07] <Messaboogie> thank ya
[06:07] <Zeergon> i see.  but how would the extension change?
[06:07] <Jucato> Zeergon: no need to rename it.
[06:07] <weas3l> ugh.... if an install is taking about 24 hours, is that an indication of a bad iso, or something else wrong?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> I"m not sure which version of Nero are you using?
[06:08] <Zeergon> Hmmm
[06:08] <Zeergon> wierd
[06:08] <Jucato> Zeergon: no need to change the extension either... when Nero asks for an ISO to burn, just browse to that file
[06:08] <Zeergon> 6.06 i believe
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> Make sure you burn it DAO
[06:08] <Martijn81> weas3l: that's more an indication of having too less ram in the pc
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Nero is version 6.0.6?
[06:08] <weas3l> how much ram does 6.06 need?
[06:09] <introp> weas3l: Eeep.  Even on my old P3, dapper only took about two hours to install.  :/
[06:09] <Healot> 256MB minimum with X installed
[06:09] <weas3l> yeah, it took like, an hour to even get the install started.
[06:09] <Zeergon> 6.6.0.1
[06:09] <Healot> taht for ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:09] <Zeergon> nero
[06:09] <weas3l> hmmmm, my laptop has 512...
[06:09] <Messaboogie> DaSkreech: Maybe you can just tell me an easier way of trying to make this work....
[06:09] <Healot> for xubuntu, 128MB minimum
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Messaboogie: of what?
[06:10] <kRiSH> Hello :)
[06:10] <Zeergon> DAO means what>
[06:10] <Zeergon> ?
[06:10] <Healot> disk-at-once
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: It's a button. It shoudl be checked already :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Don't worry about it too much :)
[06:10] <Healot> data access object L:
[06:10] <Messaboogie> DaSkreech: I want to tar a file with some txt then with the date at the end
[06:10] <kRiSH> Could i get some help here?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:11] <DaSkreech> What are you doing now?
[06:11] <Zeergon> ok....well I'll reburn and be back
[06:11] <Messaboogie> DaSkreech: so like user.date.tar
[06:11] <Zeergon> BRB...
[06:11] <Zeergon> TY
[06:11] <kRiSH> I want to install kubuntu on a pc, how do i do it? :p
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Right. So user$(date --withoptions).tgz
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: You know how to burn a ISO with Nero?
[06:11] <kRiSH> Done
[06:11] <kRiSH> i guess
[06:12] <introp> tar -cf user.`date --withoptions`.tar ...
[06:12] <Zeergon> yes. I do...
[06:12] <Zeergon> pretty simpe with nero
[06:12] <introp> kRiSH: go download the bootable CD from kubuntu.org (downloads section), burn it to a CD, and boot from it.
[06:12] <kRiSH> ok
[06:12] <Zeergon> iso disc....drag and drop.
[06:12] <introp> From there, just click on the desktop icon 'install' (or just monkey around in kubuntu that boots from the CD).
[06:13] <kRiSH> thats what im gonna try
[06:13] <kRiSH> but i only got one crt-screen, so im leaving for now
[06:14] <Martijn81> good luck kRiSH
[06:14] <kRiSH> thanks!
[06:14] <kRiSH> bye
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Zeergon: That works well :)
[06:16] <weas3l> introp, its crazy about this install... i meet the requirements for ram and all, but it has literally taken all night to even get to step 6 of the install and its just hung there...
[06:17] <introp> weas3l: Hmm.  Well, the choices are bad disc, bad parts (say, a flaky cdrom, etc.), or bad environment (not enough memory, etc.).  The first one is easier to check than the latter two.  :/
[06:17] <Martijn81> that is some weirdness indeed
[06:17] <Zeergon> when I try to find the iso (archive) in nero, in order to add it to the burn folder, it doesn't appear...
[06:17] <Zeergon> doesn't recognize it
[06:18] <Pensacola> anyone good here with superkaramba?
[06:18] <weas3l> i've tried two different iso's of ubuntu, and this one of kubuntu... the laptop is brand new (literally got it yesterday), and as far as i can see, i meet the msr...
[06:19] <Martijn81> Zeergon: and when you filter on "all files", or doesn't nero let you do that in the "burn image dialog" ?
[06:21] <Zeergon> i dont see a filter..
[06:22] <Zeergon> maybe I should switch to nero express mode
[06:22] <Martijn81> might be the white line under the file selection part, but anyway, the file should be called *.iso
[06:22] <Jucato> Zeergon: something like "File type"?
[06:22] <Martijn81> probably you need to enable the viewing of file extension in windows first (yes, i know, that's crazy)
[06:23] <Zeergon> that is crazy :)
[06:23] <Martijn81> let me walk down staires and look how the setting is called
[06:23] <introp> I <3 windows file-hiding fun.
[06:23] <Zeergon> I siwtched to express mode, filtered all files
[06:23] <Zeergon> and found it
[06:23] <Zeergon> going to burn
[06:23] <Zeergon> and make coffee
[06:23] <Zeergon> BRB
[06:23] <DaSkreech> introp: It's a coming to KDE I'll bet :)
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> Zeergon: Burn Disk at once
[06:24] <Jucato> burn pc at once!
[06:24] <Jucato> burn h3sp4wn at once! :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Burnination!
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Trogdoooorrrrr
[06:25] <Jucato> lol
[06:25] <BluesKaj> gonna give tovid a chance , if it works to my satisfaction, I may consider expanding my kubuntu partition
[06:25] <Jucato> *cracked skull*
[06:25] <soon> hi folks. Partitioning question .... I have 1 harddisk, with a / and /swap partition and 34gb free space ... I would like to use this freespace for a second distro ... to play around with xubuntu etc ....how can I do this?
[06:26] <soon> I obviously cant format it as / (as I already have one) .... do I need LVM or ???
[06:27] <BluesKaj> 2 linux distros on one HDD ...hmmm
[06:28] <soon> jep! Two linux distros on one HD ....
[06:28] <BluesKaj> windows as well ?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> As long as it's not the same partition >_<
[06:28] <Martijn81> Zeergon: check is this option is unmarked(should be): this computer> extra> folder options> view> hide extension for known file types   (note: translated)
[06:28] <Zeergon> it was an .iso somehow winRAR removed the iso suffix
[06:28] <Martijn81> *if
[06:28] <Zeergon> but near adds it
[06:29] <soon> BluesKaj ... yes a Win partition for my CounterStrike
[06:29] <weas3l> if i use the alternate iso, thats only for command line, it won't even install the GUI for kubuntu?
[06:29] <soon> join #kde
[06:29] <soon> ups
[06:29] <soon> :-)
[06:29] <Jucato> :)
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Hide extensions?
[06:30] <introp> weas3l: I can't say.  I've never used that image.
[06:30] <Martijn81> yeah
[06:30] <weas3l> should i not be worried about fucking up this install thats supposedly happening
[06:30] <DaSkreech> !language
[06:30] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:31] <weas3l> erm, sorry.
[06:32] <BluesKaj> how does one config the MBR/bootloader with 2 linux OS's and windows? ...I guess that's the real question , soon .
[06:32] <Zeergon> burning as we type
[06:32] <Zeergon> I must ask this...
[06:32] <DaSkreech> !ask
[06:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[06:32] <Zeergon> what distro did y'all use before Ubu?
[06:32] <Zeergon> I'm coming from FC
[06:32] <vge> slackware _()/
[06:33] <BluesKaj> suse 10.1
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Winucs
[06:33] <DaSkreech> It sucked
[06:33] <Jucato> Kubuntu...
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Barbie OS
[06:34] <BluesKaj> lindows ?
[06:34] <BluesKaj> walmart OS
[06:34] <juho> hi there..anybody who's familiar with (both) iPods and Amarok?
[06:34] <b0uncer> wrong nick sorry :)
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Hi aseigo
[06:34] <DaSkreech> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/barbieOS.htm
[06:34] <BluesKaj> suomalianen eh ?
[06:36] <b0uncer> BluesKaj: yup
[06:36] <b0uncer> I can't get Amarok to recode wma (or other unsupported format) files to mp3 during the syncing to iPod :/
[06:36] <Zeergon> sounds like we have a wide range :)
[06:37] <Zeergon> Lindows wasn't  for Walmart was it?  they just sold some laptops with it instlled
[06:37] <b0uncer> plus it tens to give errors after the iPod is connected&disconnected, sequential connections don't work before the whole iPod is detached and re-attached
[06:37] <Zeergon> heard it sucked
[06:37] <Zeergon> Bouncer you should check out Rockbox
[06:37] <Jucato> isn't Lindows now Linspire?
[06:37] <larson9999> i have a computer with an embedded ati x200 graphics card.  it locks up a couple times a day.  think an nvidia card would stop the lockups?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> yes which is also Freespire
[06:38] <DaSkreech> It's not bad It's just has an infalted ego
[06:38] <BluesKaj> b0uncer, I was  born in a small town in northern finland called kaavi, but I've lived here in Canada for 59 yrs :)
[06:38] <BluesKaj> <---retired geezer
[06:39] <Zeergon> rockbox will "unleash the dormant power" of your ipod
[06:39] <vge> naah, you moved from a greater country ;)
[06:39] <Zeergon> but the battery life isn't as great
[06:39] <Zeergon> :)
[06:39] <b0uncer> BluesKaj: never heard about Kaavi, how north is it exactly? :)
[06:39] <bill__> I have a question about partitions. I have some free space on my harddrive and would like to setup a dual boot with another linux distro. can I use the same swap partition for both kubuntu and the other distro? or do they both need their own swaps?
[06:39] <BluesKaj> too dark in winter
[06:39] <b0uncer> what's rockbox?
[06:39] <MuJ> kaavi.. nice =)
[06:39] <Zeergon> open source DAP firmware
[06:40] <MuJ> I'm from neughbourin town ;P
[06:40] <Zeergon> it (pardon) rocks
[06:40] <b0uncer> ok..
[06:41] <tristan_> hello
[06:41] <soon> hi
[06:42] <b0uncer> oh, and how do I add scripts to Amarok? Where/what is the ScriptManager (or something)?
[06:42] <tristan_> I have a question. My konqueror is not displaying the minutes anymore but is displaying just :MM. How can I change that?
[06:42] <Zeergon> http://www.rockbox.org/
[06:42] <Martijn81> b0uncer: in tools probably (again: translated)
[06:43] <tristan_> for example in konqueror list, in modified, it tells me 14:MM....
[06:43] <weas3l> wll i screw this install up if i shut down my laptop to start again with a different iso or to check the disk?
[06:44] <Martijn81> weas3l: not as long as you're not writing in the MBR not
[06:44] <b0uncer> Martijn81: oh..thanks a lot, it was named a bit strangely, now I found it :)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> b0uncer, Kaavi is about 250km NE of Helsinki...it's a tourist/mining area
[06:45] <weas3l> Martijn81, you totally lost me.
[06:45] <tristan_> anyone for my konqueror date trouble?
[06:48] <Martijn81> weas3l: yeah i have that on myself too sometimes... you can skip the installation, but the OS will not boot or will be corrupt. In either case it's not a problem as long you don't skip while the installation is writing to the mbr, before or after that stage is fine. Though you will have to life with an extra partition
[06:48] <Martijn81> in case it's after that stage
[06:48] <weas3l> writing the mbr?
[06:49] <introp> Translation: if you're not currently partitioning the disk, you're 99.99% safe.
[06:49] <Martijn81> master boot record yes, that's where the bootloader and the partition table goes
[06:49] <introp> You'll just have to start the install over if you kill it now.
[06:49] <weas3l> ah.
[06:49] <Martijn81> weas3l: you don't wanna interupt when the installation is writing the (new) partition table
[06:49] <BluesKaj> is there a bootloader that will allow more than 2 OS partitions ?
[06:50] <b0uncer> Trying out the transcode script with Amarok...nothing happened yet. It seems odd to me that Amarok tends to "forget" some settings I've made (like if I check the "transcode when necessary", it's not there next time I plug the iPod in)
[06:50] <introp> BluesKaj: grub does.
[06:50] <weas3l> i'm not to sure, when i went to bed last night it was claiming to be erasing the hard drive (step 5) i woke up this morning it was on step 6, but 0 percent complete. its still sitting there, and the capslock isn't working...
[06:50] <introp> BluesKaj: I have FC4, kubuntu, and windows on a machine at home.
[06:51] <BluesKaj> ok , how did you install the 3rd OS ?
[06:52] <introp> When I installed kubuntu (last), I just stuck it in its own partition and everything worked.  I may have had to change an entry in /boot/grub/menu, but I don't recall it was much work.
[06:52] <BluesKaj> thinking of installing suse10.1 again but I like Kububtu and I still use windows for burning movies etc
[06:53] <pichi> hello
[06:53] <BluesKaj> ok GParted only allows 2 partitions ...does qParted work ?
[06:53] <fildo> hey peeps, getting the following error while goin an apt-get anyone got any idea on a solution
[06:54] <fildo>  Couldn't stat source package list http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/au.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:54] <weas3l> ... is it a bad thing if the cd stops checking at ./casper/filesystem.squashfs ?
[06:55] <b0uncer> I don't get this -- transKode does transcode an ogg file to mp3 (I tested) if I pick it from the menu, but when transferring the file to iPod it starts transcoding it but won't actually do anything..
[06:55] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Make sure you aren't making all of them primary partitons
[06:56] <BluesKaj> so which one do ya recomend i make the primary , DaSkreech?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: I don't know I haven't been listening to you
[06:57] <Martijn81> weas3l: first things first. you said it was a new system right? Then because something is going wrong-> first boot from the cd and check the ram inside the computer with memtest (is on the cd), then if all goes well without errors, check the image on the md5sums, then if that goes well, well, we might have a bigger problem
[06:57] <BluesKaj> windows, kubuntu or suse
[06:57] <DaSkreech> I just saw the only make two paritions comment
[06:57] <ubuntu> lol never windows
[06:57] <BluesKaj> hehe
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Doesn't matter technically but Philosophically...
[06:57] <BluesKaj> okok
[06:58] <weas3l> Martijn81, i'll check the memory as soon as this disk check is finished...
[06:59] <weas3l> well that came back as fine
[07:00] <abattoir> BluesKaj: hi
[07:00] <abattoir> BluesKaj: long time no see ;)
[07:00] <Martijn81> weas3l: memtest? can't be, that should take 12 minutes at least with 512MB ram
[07:00] <weas3l> no, the disk check.
[07:01] <weas3l> i t'was mid check when you suggested the memtest.
[07:01] <weas3l> and it seems i was mistaken, i've 256 on this thing...
[07:01] <Martijn81> ah i see
[07:01] <Martijn81> well 256 *should* install just fine
[07:02] <tristan_> I have a question. My konqueror is not displaying the minutes anymore but is displaying just :MM. How can I change that?
[07:02] <abattoir> tristan_: where is this?
[07:02] <abattoir> tristan_: where in konqueror? when you are doing what?
[07:02] <tristan_> abattoir, for example when I use the list or when I transfer big files
[07:02] <Martijn81> anyone knows if there's a potential blacklist for new computers on the wiki that do not work with ubuntu
[07:02] <weas3l> Martijn81, yeah, i figured it *should*, but it *aint* :P
[07:03] <tristan_> abattoir, it shows something like 01:MM
[07:03] <JohnFlux> tristan: run System Settings
[07:03] <JohnFlux> tristan: perhaps your locale got screwed up somehow
[07:04] <JohnFlux> tristan_: i can't think how it could possible do that though
[07:04] <JohnFlux> tristan_: but in System Settings  go to to regional settings
[07:04] <JohnFlux> then country/region & language
[07:04] <JohnFlux> then times & dates
[07:04] <weas3l> Martijn81, so far its passed 55%
[07:05] <kristina> i have mounted my ntfs prtitions, but have the problem cant copy anything or rename files how to cange the permission??? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22932
[07:05] <kristina> here ist my fstab file
[07:06] <JohnFlux> kristina: does it work on other machines?
[07:06] <JohnFlux> kristina: i.e. is the ntfs server setup right
[07:06] <tristan_> JohnFlux, in system settings andcountry and language, I can see the time but it says 19:MM:20
[07:06] <tristan_> JohnFlux, it gives me the seconds but not the minutes!
[07:06] <introp> kristina: plain fs "ntfs" mounts are read-only unless you install drivers to make them otherwise.
[07:06] <vge> kristina: and usually ntfs volumes are mounted readonly
[07:06] <kristina> i can use or copy the files from ntfs
[07:07] <JohnFlux> introp: uh what?
[07:07] <JohnFlux> oh wait
[07:07] <JohnFlux> haha
[07:07] <introp> Her fstab says "ntfs" fs type.
[07:07] <JohnFlux> i was reading it as nfs mounts
[07:07] <kristina> how to change the line?????????
[07:07] <JohnFlux> kristina: you can't
[07:08] <introp> You can install, say, ntfs-3g to get read/write abilities, but it can be a little flaky.
[07:08] <introp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[07:08] <JohnFlux> tristan_: in the Times & Dates  tab, what is the Time format:   set to?
[07:08] <kristina> :-(
[07:08] <kristina> why??
[07:08] <JohnFlux> kristina: because microsoft suck
[07:08] <introp> Because ntfs is a god-awful complicated file system.
[07:08] <JohnFlux> kristina: and won't release the specs
[07:08] <BluesKaj> oh Hi abattoir...how's things ...was away for a few mins getting some lunch
[07:08] <tristan_> JohnFlux, ok, I went back to defautls and it's ok now. thanks
[07:08] <JohnFlux> tristan_: np :-)
[07:08] <abattoir> BluesKaj: :)
[07:08] <Martijn81> weas3l: yeah it really should do all tests to know sure, but it's starting to look like a laptop with hardware that the install has a very hard time with. Otherwise i can't explain the slowness ;(
[07:08] <JohnFlux> exec:/asdf
[07:09] <introp> kristina: I used ntfs-3g on both my main machines at it works very well.  It's never corrupted a file (though I do sometimes have to boot to windows and chkdsk if I delete too many directories).
[07:09] <JohnFlux> kristina: or you could make a fat32 partition
[07:10] <weas3l> Martijn81, i'm talking with some of my linux cohorts and they have said something to the effect that it may be something with a buggy DSDT...
[07:10] <JohnFlux> kristina: both windows and linux can read from fat32
[07:11] <BluesKaj> abattoir, i was considering installing suse alongside windows and kubuntu , but then i remembered what a painin the ass the Yast sources are so decided against it :)
[07:11] <JohnFlux> BluesKaj: why would you want suse and kubuntu?
[07:12] <BluesKaj> JohnFlux, prolly just bored
[07:12] <kristina> ok i change to fat 32! my brother have kubuntu too. he can copy files over network to my ntfs but he cant connect to my kubuntu he is stupid
[07:12] <BluesKaj> can't think of a good reason :)
[07:12] <kristina> !!
[07:12] <Guest12060> no luck
[07:13] <zeergon> burned the "iso" but wouldn't boot
[07:13] <Blissex> kristina: http://FS-driver.org/ to use 'ext3'/'ext2' under MS Windows.
[07:13] <TheCobra> hi I have a very strange thing
[07:13] <Blissex> zeergon: make sure you burned it as an image, not a file.
[07:13] <TheCobra> with the login screen
[07:13] <TheCobra> can somebody help me with it
[07:13] <zeergon> hmmm
[07:13] <Blissex> zeergon: look at what is in it: if it is a single very big file it was not burned in the right way.
[07:14] <TheCobra> (using a ATI Radeon)
[07:14] <zeergon> Bliss that's exactly what happened
[07:14] <Blissex> TheCobra: ask direct questions to the channel and wait.
[07:14] <zeergon> is that a nero setting or is the file bad?
[07:14] <TheCobra> Blissex:  sorry
[07:14] <Blissex> zeergon: it is a Nero setting.
[07:14] <zeergon> brb
[07:14] <TheCobra> problem:  screenresolution of the loginscreen seems to be wrong, but here in X everything seems to be normal
[07:15] <TheCobra> what can be the problem
[07:15] <Blissex> zeergon: IIRC it is under 'tools''.
[07:15] <Martijn81> weas3l: that sounds reasonable to me, and seeing the laptop is new nobody has worked on it. You could try the support from the manufacture, but i seriously doubt they well feel responsable. (i get the "get lost kid" feelings back now) I would give it another try and if it fails request another laptop.
[07:15] <Blissex> TheCobra: probably you need to configure KDM, the login managers, for the right resolution.
[07:15] <weas3l> i suppose.. i'd rather try another flavour of linux, since this laptop is going to be for comp lit class...
[07:15] <TheCobra> Blissex:  how can i configure KDM ??
[07:16] <Blissex> TheCobra: well, I usually edit the config file directly. But IIRC there is some kind of GUI frontend for less experienced users, I can't remember where.
[07:22] <infidel> i'm usung ubuntu and i want to add the latest kde where can i find a repository?
[07:22] <ratbert90> ok, I have one heck of a question here
[07:23] <ratbert90> that I have never seen, nor heard of
[07:23] <ccc> infidel: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[07:23] <ratbert90> I have a 9800pro 128meg R350,  When I install the fglrx driver, everything says it's a-ok after a restart
[07:23] <root__> do one need to install nividia drivers from their homepage (didnt find any through apt-get or apt-cache search, done it before)
[07:23] <infidel> ccc: thanks
[07:23] <ratbert90> however, if I restart again,  it goes back to the mesa driver
[07:24] <ratbert90> what on earth do I do to prevent it from reverting back to the mesa driver?
[07:24] <weas3l> ugh... Martijn81 its still testing the memory... did one set of tests which it passed, but then the pass status bar went back to 0% and its startign over...
[07:24] <TheCobra> ratbert90: after installing the fglrx driver, my loginscreen is totaly messed up ;) so some problems with the drivers maybe
[07:24] <ratbert90> yeah, but the drivers work untill I reboot
[07:25] <root__> odd that my nivida drivers worked, now they are ******* up
[07:25] <ratbert90> they work fine in ubuntu
[07:25] <ratbert90> but not kubuntu
[07:25] <Martijn81> weas3l: yeah one test is enough, more test is better because it will make the ram hotter, but pass is a good test
[07:25] <Martijn81> *one
[07:25] <TheCobra> lol:) drivers worl will here to but if i logout it's omg
[07:25] <ratbert90> This happens with xgl trying to work
[07:25] <TheCobra> ratbert90:  i work with ubuntu
[07:25] <TheCobra> I got them work with kubuntu today
[07:25] <weas3l> well, on the chart where it shows results it says 'Pass: 2' i can restart the computer now?
[07:25] <TheCobra> but did something totaly wrong
[07:25] <TheCobra> so I installed ubuntu now:d
[07:26] <ratbert90> but they do work
[07:26] <ratbert90> untill I reboot :(
[07:26] <TheCobra> ratbert90:  very strange
[07:27] <TheCobra> well I'm going to log off again and see if my problem is fixed
[07:27] <root__> bah will try to reinstall nivida drivers and hope they dont get destroyed again
[07:27] <TheCobra> But I will come back
[07:27] <ratbert90> yeah
[07:27] <ratbert90> it is
[07:29] <infidel> ccc: that been done how do i add all of kde apt-get wise?
[07:29] <JohnFlux> root__: don't irc as root
[07:29] <MenZa> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <MenZa> @ infidel
[07:30] <infidel> MenZa: that will give me everything?
[07:30] <TheCobra> OK probl. solved
[07:30] <MenZa> infidel, yup
[07:31] <infidel> MenZa: ok thanks
[07:31] <ccc> infidel: remember to first do sudo apt-get update
[07:31] <MenZa> duh.
[07:31] <infidel> ccc: ok
[07:31] <JohnFlux> root__: did you add restricted non-free  etc to your /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[07:31] <JohnFlux> !nvidia
[07:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <root__> had it working over a year
 at least i  think it worked
 now i am a little confused, i should use Linux AMD64/EM64T if one got AMD64 but running 32 bit (EM64T seemed to be 64 on 32 system for intel)
[07:35] <JohnFlux> root__: i think stick to the 32 bit binaries
[07:35] <infidel> wow 237Mb
[07:35] <weas3l> hmmmm, this alternate install seems to be quicker...
[07:35] <JohnFlux> root__: did you follow the url ubotu says?
 IA32 then
 nah, follow nivida install instruction, looking now though
[07:36] <JohnFlux> root__: it's best to follow the ubuntu guides
[07:36] <JohnFlux> when using ubuntu
[07:37] <root__> oh they made it into apt-get
[07:37] <root__> thought i have found nividia on packet manager, however today i found nothing
[07:37] <root__> will do that
[07:37] <JohnFlux> good good
[07:37] <root__> think i really crashed my system, i am the master on crashing
[07:40] <JohnFlux> !nat
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <JohnFlux> !masquerading
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquerading - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <JohnFlux> I really really hate ubotu
[07:40] <JohnFlux> someone put up a decent factoid bot please
 the guid is for ubuntu, this fork and packet manager doesnt got the same options, neither the possibility to add restricted (copyrighted) software
[07:42] <JohnFlux> root__: package manager
[07:42] <root__> yes there but cant do what they ask
[07:42] <JohnFlux> root__: it can
[07:43] <JohnFlux> root__: look around - you can edit the sources somewhere
[07:44] <JohnFlux> root__: settings->repositories
[07:44] <JohnFlux> root__: you see that, right?
[07:44] <root__> no already uncommented all of the sources, just cant spell nvidia right when searched though
[07:44] <JohnFlux> root__: okay you'll need to edit one of them
[07:45] <Heinkel> root__:  as a rule dont do irc as root
[07:45] <JohnFlux> root__: you have one which is deb    http://archieve.ubuntu.com  right?
[07:45] <Heinkel> not safe
[07:45] <JohnFlux> archive
[07:46] <JohnFlux> root__: you want to set the section to:   universe main multiverse restricted     it should already be at least one of them
[07:47] <root__> uncommented all of them, but spelled nvidivia wrong, twice
[07:47] <root__> that was why i didnt find them
[07:48] <JohnFlux> root__: right
[07:48] <root__> one more question, do i manually need to change xorg.conf from nv to nivida (it says nv still)
[07:48] <JohnFlux> i forget which is which
[07:48] <JohnFlux> what does the guide say?
[07:48] <root__> thanks for all the help, and sorry for being stupid and not being able to spell correctly
[07:48] <JohnFlux> np
[07:49] <root__> nv is default xorg, when installing from nvidias home page i  think it is nvidia
[07:49] <root__> at least i couldnt load nvidia so i had to change to nv to get into xorg
[07:49] <root__> X
[07:52] <tom___> can anyone tell me how i can enable the use of my dualcore ?
[07:53] <tom___> i ran updates and it installed new kernel but its not running dualcore
[07:53] <gael_> Bonsoir
[07:53] <heinkel_111> tom___: which kernel do you use?
[07:54] <tom___> 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT
[07:54] <heinkel_111> and what processor are you using
[07:54] <tom___> Pentium D
[07:54] <heinkel_111> hmm
[07:54] <tom___> i had it working last time i used ubuntu
[07:54] <tom___> but its been so long
[07:54] <heinkel_111> i have got an AMD 64 X2
[07:54] <tom___> nice
[07:54] <ratbert90> Did i drink the blood of  puppies?
[07:54] <ratbert90> why does ati hate me so much?
[07:54] <heinkel_111> it jsut works with 64-generic kernel, i never had to do anything...
[07:55] <introp> I thought .15-26 was the latest kernel updated by ubuntu?
[07:55] <tom___> hhm
[07:55] <tom___> update manager says the kernels not installed
[07:55] <tom___> when infact im lookin at it in my terminal
[07:56] <introp> Linux lemon 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT
[07:56] <tom___> :( my linux is pretending to be be windows
[07:56] <gael_> Someone speaking french ? (my english isn't very fluent)
[07:56] <introp> !fr
[07:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:57] <gael_> thank you
[07:57] <tom___> all i shuhld have to do is apt-get the new kernel right and it installs automaticly?
[07:58] <introp> I would think so.  I do it through adept, but it's just a pretty front-end.
[07:58] <tom___> or do i have to apt-get a diffrent kernel then the one it recommends me
[07:58] <introp> Does it show up in /boot ?
[07:58] <tom___> fore my dual core
[07:58] <introp> No idea on the dual core bit.  Sorry.
[07:58] <tom___> initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386
[07:58] <tom___> aah ok there it is
[07:58] <tom___> wasnt there before
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> try installing linux-image-686 linux-headers-686
[07:59] <tom___> uuh
[07:59] <tom___> whre is grub.conf
[08:00] <tom___> ah ok
[08:00] <tom___> that shuld do it
[08:00] <tom___> does it auto write to the bootloader?
[08:01] <tom___> i been using FreeBSD and OpenBSD,
[08:01] <tom___> dont know too much about ubuntu anymore
[08:01] <introp> If you installed it with apt, you should see it in the grub menu next time that you boot (it goes into menu.lst during install).
[08:02] <tom___> it doesnt give me a grub meno
[08:02] <tom___> menu
[08:02] <tom___> it just boots
[08:02] <tom___> i dont get a choice in any kernels
[08:02] <introp> Look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:02] <tom___> k
[08:02] <marey> hi, im trying to set up a lcd screen, sony 19" hsp95, can anyone help me?
[08:02] <tom___> theres like 6 titles...
[08:03] <introp> Hmm.  No grub, though.  *scratches head*
[08:03] <tom___> oh recovery mode
[08:03] <tom___> this is kubuntu
[08:03] <tom___> if thres any diffrence i dunno
[08:03] <introp> marey: What problem are you having with it?
[08:04] <marey> i can see images but 800x600
[08:04] <tom___> brb gonna gonna rboot
[08:04] <marey> i want 1280
[08:04] <introp> marey: Have you opened System Settings and changed the screen size in Display?
[08:04] <tom___> marey be sure ur monitor can handle that big of size first, other wize if u set it that way, your gonna be stuck in TEXT mode until u get it fixed in xorg.conf
[08:05] <marey> yes, but 800x600 is the largest option
[08:05] <tom___> brb
[08:05] <llxcamxll> can someone help me
[08:05] <introp> Okay.  In the Display dialog, pick the "Hardware" tab.  Does it show your monitor as monitor 1?
[08:05] <marey> do you have a xorg.conf file with lcd screen?
[08:05] <marey> yes
[08:05] <llxcamxll> i'm new with linux
[08:06] <llxcamxll> but like i download jam from the adept manager
[08:06] <llxcamxll> but how do i run it after that
[08:06] <introp> marey: I'd wager that it believes either your video card or your monitor can't handle more than 800x600.  What does it list for your graphics card and driver?
[08:06] <marey> i own an nvidia msi 5200 fx
[08:06] <bluecookies> how to configure IP
[08:07] <marey> i was running windows xp with 1280x*** depth
[08:07] <introp> marey: On the same Hardware tab, the first entry should show your graphics card and driver.  What does it say?
[08:07] <tom___> woot
[08:07] <llxcamxll> hey tom dude
[08:08] <tom___> thanks introp, got it workin, and about my menu, i had to this ESC to view it, and it only give you 1 second to do that
[08:08] <tom___> hey llxcamxll dude
[08:08] <llxcamxll> i'm desperate
[08:08] <introp> Ahh.  Hiddenmenu.  That's an option in the grub menu.lst   :/
[08:08] <marey> nv for card
[08:08] <llxcamxll> i need help man
[08:08] <marey> and generic
[08:08] <tom___> with what
[08:08] <llxcamxll> alot of things
[08:09] <tom___> hmm
[08:09] <llxcamxll> i downloaded jam from adept manager
[08:09] <llxcamxll> but like how do i run it
[08:09] <llxcamxll> puff puff
[08:09] <tom___> i have no idea what jam is
[08:09] <tom___> type jam in ur terminal or something
[08:09] <llxcamxll> hmm
[08:09] <llxcamxll> well like how you run shit that been downloaded from that adept
[08:09] <miyako> jam is boost's package manager is'n't it?
[08:10] <miyako> *isn't
[08:10] <llxcamxll> jam is builder
[08:10] <tom___> Jamfile: No such file or directory
[08:10] <tom___> ...found 7 target(s)...
[08:10] <tom___> thats what it says when i try to run jam
[08:10] <llxcamxll> yep
[08:10] <tom___> i dunno what that means
[08:10] <miyako> yeah, builder, that's the word
[08:10] <tom___> never used or heard of jam
[08:10] <llxcamxll> kk
[08:10] <tom___> sry man
[08:10] <llxcamxll> thats cool
[08:10] <miyako> jam:boost::make:everything else
[08:11] <miyako> isn't it?
[08:11] <tom___> ive been off the linux scene for quite some time, gotta gimmie time to come back
[08:11] <llxcamxll> ok so how do i use anything that i have downloaded
[08:11] <tom___> you just type the name of it in terminal
[08:11] <llxcamxll> ok
[08:11] <llxcamxll> i'll download something now
[08:11] <tom___> example; if u did apt-get install xchat, once ites done, type xchat
[08:12] <bobbin> Has anyone else here tried edgy and found trouble with cups?
[08:12] <Lynoure> or find it in a menu, in some cases
[08:12] <tom___> yeah taht too
[08:12] <llxcamxll> ahh ok
[08:12] <Lynoure> bobbin: one other guy asked that earlier
[08:12] <llxcamxll> so do you use source code
[08:13] <Lynoure> bobbin: but people on #kubuntu+1 can help you more
[08:14] <tom___> man i love amarok
[08:14] <llxcamxll> whats amarok??
[08:14] <tom___> Music player
[08:14] <llxcamxll> oh
[08:14] <llxcamxll> so whats a good compiler to use
[08:14] <tom___> gcc
[08:15] <tom___> all of them
[08:15] <tom___> use all compilers
[08:15] <llxcamxll> can i apt-get any?
[08:15] <tom___> i wuld think so
[08:15] <tom___> sudo apt-get install gcc
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> Intels c compiler is pretty good (If you have an intel chip the auto vectorisation stuff is pretty funky)
[08:15] <introp> Try adept, llxcamxll.  You can browse the bits associated with gcc.
[08:16] <llxcamxll> hmm
[08:16] <llxcamxll> this is all too hard
[08:16] <Roman123> Hi! How can I install Kubuntu on a software raid (1). It seems like the installer does not offer such an option.
[08:17] <introp> In this case, I hope that 'new' and 'hard' just look a lot alike.
[08:17] <Roman123> At older versions, there was a text mode (expert mode) which provided this option.
[08:17] <llxcamxll> inded
[08:17] <llxcamxll> indeed
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> the alternate iso (It shouldn't be any worse than older versions)
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> used to be called the install cd
[08:20] <llxcamxll> so what do i need to turn source code into something i can use
[08:20] <Coffeeman1> hello, im using 5.1.0 and wondering how to get my kubuntu out of konsole mode (screen black, writing no UI)
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> 5.10 ?
[08:20] <Coffeeman1> yeah
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> login and do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:21] <Ayabara> what plugins/packages must I download to use exif info in krename?
[08:21] <introp> llxcamxll: typically make and the gcc compiler suite.  Are you a programmer, or can you not find a pre-packaged version of an application you want?
[08:22] <equinoxeB> hy there... guys... I have kde 3.5.3 and I don't know how to install icons. There's a readme file there and it sends me to kcontrol. but there I can only install icon libraries. I only have a bunch of png in a few folders...
[08:22] <Coffeeman1> no I dont want it to be a server
[08:22] <lars__> question, have the support for 32-bit in 64-bit Linux been improved so it works on the fly, instantly after install? Else if one install 32-bit Kubuntu again would it matter if i use beta and update or use latest version?
[08:22] <llxcamxll> i'm just lost all together, not a programmer, i just want to be able to install stuff and make it work
[08:23] <heinkel_111> lars__: beta is beta! stable is stable!
[08:23] <lars__> yes but it is a cd, when updating shouldnt it be the same
[08:23] <heinkel_111> what kind of 32 bit support are you looking for
[08:23] <introp> Fire up adept.  Type in the name of the package (application) you want.  Wait for it to show you the list of what matches that name.  Click on thing, pick install, then click "apply".  It will go off, install things, and (usually) you get a taskbar icon for that app now.  Some things don't make taskbar entries, and you have to run them from a console.
[08:24] <lars__> would like 64-bit Linux but can install and run 32-bit on the fly, dont want to do that and that and it will work poorly
[08:24] <heinkel_111> lars__: the stable release is 6.06.1 Kubuntu dapper drake
[08:24] <llxcamxll> thanks
[08:24] <Coffeeman1> theres a command its like F10 or someting that brings it out of konsole mode isnt there?
[08:25] <lars__> had 64-bit but since 32-bit dont work a lot of app cant be used unless one wish to compile it themselves
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> control alt f7 (or sometimes F6) but that presumes X is working
[08:25] <lars__> now running 32-bit but i would like to call this a bad crash enough for reinstallation
[08:25] <Coffeeman1> much better thankyou
[08:25] <heinkel_111> lars__: i have not tried myself, but upgrading from 32->64 might include removing and reinstalling a lot of packages
[08:25] <Coffeeman1> exit
[08:25] <heinkel_111> 32 bit should run ok on a 64 bit processor though
[08:26] <heinkel_111> lars__: ^  but i run 32 on my 32 and 64 on my 64 x2
[08:26] <lars__> so flash will work without doing any special or waiting for there upgrade (the next release that will support 64-bit or making chroot or stuff)
[08:26] <lars__> their
[08:27] <equinoxeB> there's nothing like... "installing icons on Kubuntu" on the web......
[08:27] <heinkel_111> lars__: according to the info i got, flash does not work in 64 bit
[08:27] <heinkel_111> nor does wma and wmv
[08:27] <lars__> that is 1 app, there is a lot more
[08:27] <tom___> damn computer, my keyboard keeps on dying
[08:27] <lars__> ok, will stay in 32 bit then, thought they had improved compatibility between 64 and 32
[08:28] <heinkel_111> lars__: there is only a problem with proprietrary ...all open source applications and formats will be taken care of
[08:28] <lars__> new cd or install beta and upgrade
[08:28] <ahmeni> equinoxeB: I think you just put them in /usr/share/icons/name/XXxYY/type/blah.png
[08:28] <equinoxeB> damn...
[08:29] <heinkel_111> lars__: you should not install beta
[08:29] <equinoxeB> this is a thing my mom can't do for shure...
[08:29] <equinoxeB> I can...
[08:29] <heinkel_111> unless you want to beta-test
[08:29] <equinoxeB> new to linux...
[08:29] <heinkel_111> which version do you have on the cd, lars__ ?
[08:29] <lars__> so there is a diffrence using a beta of dapper drake and upgrading and getting latest dapper drake cd
[08:29] <llxcamxll> like how do i even get mozilla firefox
[08:29] <heinkel_111> ahhh
[08:29] <tom___> sudo apt-get install firefox, llxcamxll
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> lars__: Hundreds of megs of downloads
[08:30] <heinkel_111> lars__: current beta is Edgy Eft
[08:30] <graft> yo, anyone have any familiarity with zeroconf use in KDE?
[08:30] <llxcamxll> kk'
[08:30] <introp> Or, fire up adept, type in firefox in the search box, and pick it (adept is a graphical front-end for apt-get).
[08:30] <ahmeni> equinoxeB: ouch.  lemme see if I can find an easier way then
[08:30] <heinkel_111> lars__: i think you can install an old dapper beta and upgrade, yes
[08:30] <heinkel_111> i thought you had a edgy cd
[08:30] <main2> !w32codecs
[08:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> It would probably be not much different in terms of downloads to just getting a current cd
[08:31] <tom___> ?
[08:31] <tom___> oops wrong box
[08:31] <lars__> ok thanks once more, hope i dont destroy that version too like i am the master of
[08:31] <main2> is there an easy way to install the w32 codecs?
[08:31] <tom___> yes main2
[08:31] <tom___> get easyubuntu
[08:31] <introp> equinoxeB: have you tried the help in the Appearance | Icons section of the System Settings?
[08:31] <llxcamxll> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package
[08:32] <Coffeeman1> anyone here have experiance with using kwifimanager? I just need to get on it for a few minutes
[08:32] <diable-vert> hello
[08:33] <Coffeeman1> hi
[08:34] <llxcamxll> whats a good compiler for like game source code
[08:34] <main2> BIG THANKS TOM!
[08:34] <main2> :-))
[08:34] <equinoxeB> It works :). 10x.
[08:35] <equinoxeB> but I had to use root
[08:35] <equinoxeB> to copy them there
[08:35] <equinoxeB> kind'a geeky... :(
[08:36] <tom___> lol no problem main2
[08:36] <ahmeni> llxcamxll: most games compile using gcc or g++
[08:36] <tom___> most games only work on NT
[08:36] <tom___> *shivers*
[08:37] <ahmeni> yeah, sucks, but we're getting more games as time goes by :D
[08:37] <tom___> well that sucks too dude
[08:37] <tom___> the more games that play on linux? the more windows people that convert
[08:37] <ahmeni> though I think A Tale In the Desert is our only real MMO so far
[08:38] <tom___> then linux is dumbed down and thus becomes mainstream and then linux has viruses and spyware like windows
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> what about planetscape
[08:40] <ahmeni> never heard of planetscape, what's it like?
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> ahmeni: Complicated - Some stuff is not finished yet
[08:43] <graft> how many pc-based important games are there these days, anyway?
[08:44] <graft> mostly it's consoles
[08:45] <graft> course, maybe i'm biased since i think halo is like the only game anyone needs to play
[08:46] <tom___> lol
[08:46] <graft> they have wow for the mac, right? seems like wow for linux is not out of the question...
[08:47] <ahmeni> not out of the question, but it's hard to justify the development costs
[08:48] <graft> doesn't seem that unreasonable - they must have something pretty close to it already
[08:48] <graft> plus they make a BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
[08:48] <graft> i mean they can afford one lousy programmer for linux
[08:51] <ahmeni> hard to know how many programmers it would take without knowing how the internals of the code work though
[08:51] <ahmeni> there's just one programmer for the linux port of ATITD and he's usually pretty swamped
[08:52] <Bbetto_> how can i conect to windows red?
[08:52] <Bbetto_> i have samba
[08:54] <heinkel_111> how do i remove a package that was not installed correctly?
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> heinkel_111: Does it say its in an inconsistant state and cannot be removed ?
[08:54] <heinkel_111> i get error messages in adept all the time because wmnet did not install properly
[08:55] <heinkel_111> all i wnated was kdevelop...
[08:55] <heinkel_111> hi h3sp4wn  :)
[08:55] <Bbetto_> does anyone can say me a web adrees about a red windows kubuntu?
[08:55] <heinkel_111> i get no proper error messages in adept
[08:56] <heinkel_111> h3spaawn but i think i can reproduce the erorr message using dpkg-configure -phigh ?
[08:56] <heinkel_111> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh ?
[08:56] <heinkel_111> h3sp4wn: it is the install script for wmnet that keeps failing
[08:57] <heinkel_111> so i just thought, let's get rid of vmware, i don't need it
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> Did you install vmware-player from adept ?
[08:59] <Bbetto_> hey
[09:00] <Bbetto_> the web about a windows red and kubuntu
[09:00] <Bbetto_> nobody?
[09:00] <heinkel_111> yes...it came along with kdevelop3...don't know why
[09:00] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get remove --purge vmware-player (see what that says)
[09:01] <llxcamxll> i've got a file on my desktop which i cannot delete...how do i get rid of it
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> sudo rm ~/Desktop/filename
[09:02] <llxcamxll> k
[09:02] <pimuri> is there a way I can startup the "GUI" in a new shell?
[09:02] <pimuri> where there's only  login-screen (but a shell)
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> What you mean you want another copy of X on another vt ?
[09:02] <pimuri> err yes
[09:03] <pimuri> now I'm on the X linked to the key "F7"
[09:03] <pimuri> but I'd like to open up another one on a shell on e.g F2
[09:03] <graft> err, that should be sudo rm ~<user>/Desktop/filename, llxcamxll / h3sp4wn
[09:03] <heinkel_111> h3sp4wn: thank you again, i think i managed to resolve the issue now
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> graft: Why ? when you use sudo ~ is substituted for the user running sudo's home directory (sudo echo $HOME) proves this
[09:05] <llxcamxll> kk
[09:06] <graft> err, yeah, you right
[09:06] <graft> figured sudo gave you a new shell env
[09:07] <llxcamxll> this is insane
[09:07] <llxcamxll> i try to move a folder to trash but it says access denied
[09:08] <graft> llxcamxll: clearly your permissions are f'd up
[09:08] <llxcamxll> ohh
[09:08] <llxcamxll> well don't know how to change that
[09:09] <introp> llxcamxll: what folder are you trying to trash?
[09:11] <llxcamxll> some how firefox folder is on my desktop, but it ain't the one i got from adept
[09:11] <introp> Okay.  If it's on your desktop, it's safe to remove (sometimes people try to delete folders that the system is correctly telling them they oughtn't).  So...
[09:12] <llxcamxll> just says i been denied
[09:12] <introp> in a console, "sudo rm -rf ~/Desktop/directoryname".  (Be very careful when typing -rf means it'll nuke that folder, safety be damned.)
[09:12] <llxcamxll> lol
[09:12] <llxcamxll> katusha missiles
[09:13] <introp> Once you get that stuff fixed, it should be smooth sailing.  I'd wager someone had you sudo some action, trying to help you, and it made folders with root permissions.
[09:13] <introp> (sudo == run this command as another user, typically root)
[09:14] <llxcamxll> it lives
[09:16] <SpAwN> my computer has been randomly locking up overnight......ive been working on fixing it....1st i thought it ndiswrapper then i thought it was a firewall....now i have no clue ...in my syslog this is the last entry b4 i had to hit the power button the last line now is : Sep  8 10:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[24913] : (root) CMD (   run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[09:16] <SpAwN> Sep  8 15:09:10 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart.
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Is it currently overclocked ?
[09:17] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, nope.
[09:17] <SpAwN> just a normal off the shelf p4
[09:17] <SpAwN> 3.6 ghz..i think its actualy called the pentium pro...but im not sure
[09:17] <llxcamxll> lol...successfully nuked
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> No obvious heat problems in the bios pc health window ?
[09:18] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, bios health screen?
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Yes if the core temperature is above 60 oC I would try and doing something about it
[09:18] <frojnd> What's the command for my sdb1 partition (it's one partition NTFS on one HD) to delite it and than to create an ext3 partition with fdisk ?
[09:19] <frojnd> can someone help me with this
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> frojnd: all you need to do is umount it
[09:19] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, well i dont think i have a health screen and i know i dont have monitors on the mb
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> then use sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Award or AMI bios ?
[09:19] <frojnd> h3sp4wn frojnd: all you need to do is umount it  done
[09:19] <frojnd> what's next
[09:19] <SpAwN> award...its a dell ;D
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> Award has PC HEALTH
[09:20] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, am i gonna want to axx this bios health thinggy during boot?
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> frojnd: ^^
[09:20] <SpAwN> ive never seen a health monitor option in my bios b4
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Its in the bios screen (which should be blue) - left hand side 5th one down
[09:21] <frojnd> u se... I allready tryed: mkfs exte
[09:21] <frojnd> and something goes wrong
[09:21] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, damn.....u know ya stuff thanks man =D
[09:21] <SpAwN> let me go check it out
[09:21] <frojnd> probably couse NTFS was still not empty
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> frojnd: sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[09:21] <introp> frojnd: This may sound strange, but I actually recommend downloading the gparted liveCD, booting from it, and doing it from there.  It's about as simple graphically as you can get, and a fairly small image.
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> frojnd: then 't 1 82'
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> frojnd: then w
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> actually t 1 83
[09:23] <clams> hey guys, question for you:
[09:23] <clams> how do i install macromedia shockwave/flash for konqueror? the instructions on their webpage tell me how it works for mozilla...
[09:23] <frojnd> I wrote fdisk /dev/sdb and the last line us: Command (m for help):
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> then type 't 1 83'
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> everything inside ''
[09:24] <h3sp4wn> then w
[09:24] <frojnd> Izbrani razdelek 1
[09:24] <frojnd> Hex code (type L to list codes):
[09:24] <ubuntu_> Hi I just tryed to load the latest Kubuntu live cd and me box is just dieing @ boot with a black screen me box is a 6400r compaq quad
[09:24] <frojnd> chosen part 1
[09:24] <main2> i got a haupauge pvr150 tv-card, can i install some? software and then watch on another machine?
[09:24] <h3sp4wn> t 83
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> or press m and look at the options (you need to change the partition type to linux - then press w to quit)
[09:28] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, that was no where to be found in my bios...is there any other things i should check?
[09:28] <clams> is there any way to set keyboard shortcuts for volume/track control? i haven't been able to find any...
[09:29] <scast> clams: maybe dcop and input actions?
[09:29] <introp> clams: Go to System Settings, Regional and Accessibility
[09:30] <introp> Pick Keyboard Layout, and then pick a Keyboard model that's reasonably close to yours.
[09:30] <introp> That will give you mappings for your multimedia keys.  (Well, two of mine still don't work, but I haven't had time to try to figure out why.)
[09:30] <clams> Okay, thanks introp, i'll give it a shot!
[09:31] <clams> and thanks to scast too, even though i'm going with introp's idea >_>
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Are you using dapper or edgy ? (It sounds like a hardware problem to me but I may be wrong)
[09:31] <SpAwN> dapper
[09:32] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, it could be......but what hardware.....memeory looks good....
[09:32] <scast> I thougt you mean controlling kmix heh
[09:32] <SpAwN> my computer did start making a noise abotu a week ago...but its only done it like once or twice
[09:33] <SpAwN> the sound was coming from one of the fans....but it never stopped working...just made a noise....figured i needed to take it out and clean it thoughrly.....the inside of the case is relativly clean.......
[09:34] <shadowhywind> does anyone know where to get 64-bit drivers for ndiswrapper from??
[09:35] <main2> shadowhywind: doesnt this depend on what drivers you need for your card.. ?
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: Use the windows x64 drivers for your card (if nothing is listed on the wiki - latest version of ndiswrapper - #ndiswrapper are not interested in older versions)
[09:36] <clams> is there any equivalent to Linkification (firefox extension that makes text links clickable) for Konqueror?
[09:37] <shadowhywind> well thats the thing i can't fcind the driver for my card
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: What chipset is it ?
[09:37] <shadowhywind> broadcom bcm4311
[09:37] <shadowhywind> i just got it working in the 32-bit, so i wanted to try the 64 and see if i can't get that workin in here too
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> I am not sure about bcm43xx on 64 bit
[09:38] <shadowhywind> bcm43xx driver didn't work for me in 32
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: I will think about it back in about 10 mins
[09:40] <miyako> is there a way to make top sort by memory usage instead of processor usage?
[09:41] <jm^> have you tried pressing 'h'?
[09:42] <mayday_from_pl> hi
[09:47] <Xcalibur> if I ordered my shipit CD like 2 weeks ago, how long should it take to get here?
[09:48] <Xcalibur> ?
[09:48] <grothesk> Xcalibur: Depends on where you are located.
[09:48] <llxcamxll> how do i start g++, i just got it from adept
[09:49] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, sure man i have to leave myself now but thanks for your help...if u do think of anything just say my naem when u do..and ill check when i get home +D
[09:50] <Xcalibur> NY
[09:53] <Xcalibur> so?
[09:54] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:54] <olololo> hello guys, how's everyone doing today???
[09:54] <mayday_from_pl> who from PL ??
[09:55] <Dannilion> I'm ok
[09:55] <Dannilion> upgrading to KDE 3.5.4  :)
[09:55] <Xcalibur> how long will it take
[09:56] <Xcalibur> ?
[09:56] <Dannilion> erm... dunno
[09:56] <Dannilion> took 20 minutes on my desktop
[09:56] <Dannilion> but this laptop has a much slower processor, but double the ram
[09:56] <Dannilion> all the files have downloaded
[09:56] <llxcamxll> how do i start g++
[09:57] <olololo> this may be off topic, has anyone managed to setup kubuntu on a wireless network??
[10:00] <llxcamxll> can anyone help me
[10:01] <llxcamxll> i just got g++ from adept but i can't run it
[10:01] <ahmeni> llxcamxll: what error do you get?
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Try installing and setting up lm-sensors (that should give you some detailed hardware information core temp etc)
[10:02] <grothesk> olololo: Sure...
[10:02] <llxcamxll> nothing
[10:02] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me is linuxwacom-dev implemented in ubuntu
[10:02] <llxcamxll> i downloaded g++
[10:02] <llxcamxll> i type it into the console and nothing
[10:02] <grothesk> I'm running kubuntu on my Laptop, olololo
[10:02] <ahmeni> llxcamxll: it returns no message or anything?
[10:03] <llxcamxll> nope
[10:03] <olololo> grothesk: did you find it hard or something??
[10:03] <llxcamxll> nothing
[10:03] <olololo> grothesk: please call me olo
[10:03] <grothesk> olololo: That depends on your hardware.
[10:03] <llxcamxll> should i reboot or something
[10:04] <ahmeni> you shouldn't have to
[10:04] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me is linuxwacom-dev implemented in ubuntu
[10:04] <grothesk> olololo: I'm using tabcompletion, I'm typing olo anyway.
[10:04] <llxcamxll> its wierd cos it does nothing
[10:04] <ahmeni> are you just running "g++", or "g++ file.gcc"?
[10:04] <grothesk> eaglehawk: There are wacom drivers included.
[10:04] <llxcamxll> g++
[10:04] <olololo> I have a computer and it runs windows with a D-Link  wireless USB, and I would like to try the LiveCD
[10:05] <llxcamxll> thats what i downloaded, and thats what i been trying to run
[10:05] <eaglehawk> but i my tabletpc pen is not working
[10:05] <grothesk> olololo: It depends on the chipset of the USB-Stick.
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> olololo: I don't think you will easily get ndiswrapper working with the kubuntu livecd
[10:06] <Dr_Doud> salut
[10:06] <llxcamxll> should i re-install and try again
[10:06] <olololo> If I can get it to work, then I will be able to format the system and then install linux on it, in the mean time, I don't want to risk formatting my system
[10:08] <olololo> I love the kubuntu interface and its very easy to use
[10:09] <olololo> ..but if I can just get it towork wirelessly, them I will celebrate :)
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> It almost certainly will work with ndiswrapper - but not on the live cd (maybe a kanotix or knoppix live cd would tell you whether ndiswrapper is possible)
[10:10] <olololo> thanks h3sp4wn
[10:11] <olololo> the reason why am having trouble is because the router is downstairs and my computer is in the bedroom with windows installed
[10:13] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me with webcam
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> I understand what you mean (once tried to install debian testing - and the kernel was compiled with a different gcc to the one the cd so I couldn't build the wireless modules etc etc)
[10:13] <ubuntu> uyy
[10:13] <ubuntu> nick olo
[10:15] <olololo> uj
[10:19] <lost> Hi,
[10:21] <lost> I've ubuntu and today I install kubuntu-desktop from synaptic, but now when i close my session my sistem die,
[10:22] <lost> only if i close the session becouse if i restart my machine o turn off is ok
[10:22] <lost> what can i do???
[10:23] <Kickstart> Argh. I've never had to register my nick before, and it's making me wait 1200 seconds before I can talk to #rubyonrails. Does anyone know how to solve this?
[10:25] <_Shade_> hi
[10:25] <_Shade_> where can i track the latest achievements in edgy development ? I mean some blogs or something
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Well, I got TVTime video working ok, now i have to figure out why there's no sound! :(
[10:34] <l33t_n00b> does anyone know if edgy eft will have compiz and XGL enabled?
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: I dunno but it's tempting to try edgy/kde4 - since it's installable alongside kde3.
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> there's still the problem that kde window decor doesn't work with compiz even if edgy does support it. Having to use gnome w/ kde sucks.
[10:37] <l33t_n00b> i tried the knot 2 cd but it won't detect my video
[10:37] <l33t_n00b> even when i set it on VGA 800 x 600 32
[10:38] <ahmeni> LeeJunFan: You don't have to use use gnome, just a window manager that supports it, like cgwd
[10:39] <bary> hey i need some help can anyone help me please?
[10:40] <_Shade_> LeeJunFan:  maybe you're right, but it's for developers only
[10:40] <scast> Kubuntu edgy is going to go for purple colorschemes?
[10:40] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: recommended for devels only, but could be still worthy of showing off.
[10:40] <scast> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[10:43] <bary> i;am a new user to kubuntu ...can any1 help me with a problem?
[10:44] <ace_> how do i view a windows network server on ubuntu
[10:44] <Arepie> ace_:  system menu -> remote places -> samba
[10:46] <bary_> guys please can you help with a problem?
[10:46] <scast> I can't yet believe edgy colorscheme is going to be purple...
[10:46] <SlackRat> its linux, create your own schemes
[10:48] <brandon_> how come amarok is playing some wma files, but not others?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> bary, just state your problem, if someone can help, they will
[10:49] <scast> It looks like a scheme my sister would like...
[10:50] <BluesKaj> bary_, just state your problem, if someone can help, they will
[10:50] <brandon_> why won't amarok play some of my wma files?
[10:50] <PigCorpse> Maybe they have DRM
[10:50] <brandon_> it plays some, but others it won't
[10:50] <brandon_> DRM?
[10:51] <PigCorpse> Did you buy them for $1 from a music store?
[10:51] <brandon_> no
[10:51] <brandon_> I ripped them from a cd
[10:51] <PigCorpse> Oh
[10:51] <PigCorpse> Then I don't know
[10:51] <brandon_> >.<
[10:51] <brandon_> could it be a lincensing problem?
[10:51] <PigCorpse> Maybe
[10:52] <brandon_> how can I fix it?
[10:52] <tom___> u need the codecs
[10:52] <brandon_> where can i get the codecs?
[10:52] <tom___> my amarok plays it
[10:52] <tom___> download easyubuntu
[10:52] <tom___> it does it for u
[10:52] <brandon_> well yea, but some of them play
[10:52] <brandon_> other ones don't
[10:52] <tom___> oh well
[10:52] <tom___> then ur files are broken
[10:52] <jake1> i'm having so trouble
[10:52] <jake1> some*
[10:53] <brandon_> no, they play on windows media but i had to get a licence
[10:53] <bary_> can any1 help me ? i want to see my windows partition
[10:53] <brandon_> and on amarok it won't play
[10:53] <PigCorpse> Hmm
[10:53] <PigCorpse> Okay
[10:53] <brandon_> I'm thinking it's a linsencing error
[10:53] <PigCorpse> Can I ask my question? lol
[10:53] <brandon_> lol sure
[10:54] <PigCorpse> @ brandon: I don't know exactly how to solve it, but try ripping to mp3 or ogg or something.
[10:54] <PigCorpse> Anyway
[10:54] <mzelem> does anyone know where I could find info on testing serial ports?
[10:54] <brandon_> ummm well, I don't have the cd anymore
[10:54] <ironfroggy> what might cause terrible performance for all video operations? that is, window updates, video playback, the slideshow screensaver, they all are very slow in framerate. what can i diagnose to find the cause?
[10:54] <brandon_> i ripped it from a friend
[10:54] <PigCorpse> I have a small 15GB unallocated space on my 200GB hard drive. How can I install Kubuntu on it without touching anything else?
[10:55] <brandon_> and that brings another problem, when i rip songs, it says error cannot make directory
[10:55] <brandon_> portition it?
[10:56] <jake1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22945
[10:56] <PigCorpse> Well, can I get the installer to automatically do that?
[10:56] <jake1> i had this outut when i tried to run Wine
[10:56] <jake1> what's going on????????
[10:56] <brandon_> you might be able  to, but you might have to assign the installtion to that portion of the drive
[10:56] <bary_> why this command its not working? gksudo gedit /etc/pmount.allow
[10:56] <ironfroggy> i mean, what is the common denominator in all those problems?
[10:57] <brandon_> make a backup just incase and try it
[10:57] <mzelem> does anyone know how to check to see if serial ports are recognized by kubuntu?
[10:57] <PigCorpse> Well, I can't really back everything up, so I'm being really careful.
[10:57] <brandon_> umm... swapable drive?
[10:57] <jake1> can someone help me please
[10:57] <jake1> ????????
[10:57] <ace_> how do i use samba
[10:58] <brandon_> ace_,www.samba.org
[10:58] <ace_> thx
[10:58] <brandon_> yup
[10:58] <brandon_> but it's confusing as crap
[10:59] <brandon_> but I can't rip songs, it says error cannot make directory
[10:59] <sasho> ei marto
[10:59] <tom___> probably not configuring something correctly brandon
[10:59] <tom___> or ur setting to make directory in a place u dont have perms
[10:59] <brandon_> what do I need to config?
[11:00] <brandon_> ummm I tried my home folder and in a folder I made
[11:00] <brandon_> how do I get permission to use a folder I made?
[11:01] <tom___> uh
[11:01] <tom___> woot k3b worked
[11:02] <brandon_> ok, well how does that solve my prob?
[11:02] <tom___> no clue, dont know what ur doing
[11:02] <DaSkreech> jake1: What FreeType do you have installed?
[11:02] <jake1> 2.1.10
[11:02] <jake1> i just installed it
[11:02] <jake1> still not working
[11:02] <brandon_> I'm trying to rip songs
[11:02] <brandon_> everything is at defualt in the config
[11:03] <DaSkreech> can you locate winex11.drv?
[11:04] <brandon_> why can't I rip songs?
[11:04] <brandon_> KAudioCreator isn't working apparently
[11:05] <Tom-_-> use grip
[11:05] <sh4d3z> does anyone know a good graphics card that will work for linux?
[11:05] <brandon_> do I gotta install it with adept?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> brandon_: You are ripping from a CD?
[11:05] <Tom-_-> geforce shades
[11:05] <Tom-_-> yes brandon
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> bary_: Use kdesu kate /etc/pmount.allow
[11:05] <Tom-_-> i bet he dont have the cd mounted tho
[11:05] <DaSkreech> brandon_: Audio Cd?
[11:05] <slow-motion> n8
[11:05] <brandon_> yes
[11:05] <Tom-_-> mount /mnt/cdrom
[11:06] <brandon_> it is mounted
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Open konqueror and type audiocd:/
[11:06] <Tom-_-> mount it harder
[11:06] <brandon_> it just can't make the directory
[11:06] <brandon_> ok
[11:06] <brandon_> har har har nvm
[11:06] <brandon_> I fixed it
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Got a bunch of different directories?
[11:06] <DaSkreech> There we go
[11:07] <brandon_> but...
[11:07] <brandon_> I left ewverything on default
[11:07] <brandon_> now where may the files be?
[11:07] <brandon_> everything*
[11:07] <jackle> Help! My lvm disappeared after I installed kubuntu and says now:"Incorrect metadata area header checksum"
[11:07] <jackle> Any one any ideas?
[11:09] <brandon_> oh nooooo
[11:09] <brandon_> where are the songs?
[11:09] <Tom-_-> where ever u put them
[11:09] <brandon_> I didn't assign a place
[11:09] <brandon_> I left it default
[11:09] <Blissex> jackle: there are a few ''LVM recovery'' HOWTOs/tutorials. If you did not install carefully perhaps you asked for repartioning without LVM. In which case a bit of work is needed :-).
[11:10] <Slayer4blind> I'll sit here and call for them
[11:10] <Slayer4blind> maybe they wil show up
[11:10] <Slayer4blind> ah ha
[11:10] <Slayer4blind> I'll use search
[11:11] <jackle> Blissex: I'm working now through some gentoo tut's .. though very confusing (we seriously need a kde lvm tool... like yast)
[11:11] <Slayer4blind> omg omg omg
[11:11] <Blissex> jackle:  there is alternative LVM2/DM frontend called EVMS which is pretty user friendly. Problem is, the concepts involved are not simple.
[11:12] <Slayer4blind> I can't find em
[11:12] <Blissex> Slayer4blind: 'locate'?
[11:12] <Slayer4blind> locate?
[11:12] <shadowhywind> so i reinstall kubuntu and now my ndiswrapper wont load anymore... *cries*
[11:12] <jackle> Blissex: You think the evms could fix the lvm? Luckaly fdisk still detect the partitions as LVM and not as ext3
[11:13] <Blissex> jackle: no, just that EVMS has an easier interface. If you still got the partitions, there is some way to rebuild the LVM2/DM config by doing a scan.
[11:14] <lost> Please help, i have ubuntu but today i try to install kubuntu-desktop. The instalation was ok but now everytime that i close the session my system die
[11:15] <jackle> Blissex: Hope the tut's work. Tx
[11:15] <lost> that's is only when i close my session becouse if i restart o turn off my machine all is ok
[11:15] <lost> what happened?
[11:16] <Slayer4blind> where are them files?
[11:16] <Slayer4blind> >.<
[11:16] <sorush20> eventhough when there are files transferring I get the message stalled  .. I can't see the speed of transfer..
[11:16] <sorush20> why?
[11:16] <Slayer4blind> I'm using find files/folders
[11:18] <Slayer4blind> where does KAudioCreator store songs by default?
[11:19] <Slayer4blind> lmao
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> No idea (I rip cd's with k3b)
[11:19] <Slayer4blind> I'm a doo mass
[11:20] <Tom-_-> k3b > all
[11:20] <Slayer4blind> I found it
[11:20] <Slayer4blind> it was right in front of me ^_^
[11:20] <Slayer4blind> I just can't read
[11:20] <jackle> Blissex: It seems that one of the partitions has now the type: ext3 ... how can I change this to lvm?
[11:20] <Slayer4blind> how do I find other servers
[11:20] <Slayer4blind> ?
[11:21] <Slayer4blind> noooo
[11:21] <Slayer4blind> I didn't want ogg's
[11:21] <Slayer4blind> I want mp3's
[11:21] <Slayer4blind> crap >.<
[11:21] <Blissex> jackle: let's hope the only thing that has been changed is the type and not the contents... Use 'fdisk', the 't' command to change the type. Or 'cfdisk'
[11:22] <Slayer4blind> I'm gunna go insane :|
[11:23] <Slayer4blind> which ancoder encodes files as mp3>?
[11:23] <Slayer4blind> encoder*
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> lame
[11:24] <RawSewage> it's an honest question
[11:24] <Slayer4blind> ok
[11:24] <Slayer4blind> thank you
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: huh ? lame is the name of the encoder
[11:26] <shadowhywind> anybody have an idea why the drivers would work for ndiswrapper, but when i reinstall the drivers don't work anymore?
[11:26] <RawSewage> h3sp4wn, ok, I thought you were being rude
[11:26] <Slayer4blind> well it said the encoder was not found?
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: Just directly answering the question
[11:26] <Slayer4blind> do I gotta install it?
[11:26] <LeeJunFan> ugh, just had someone DoS'ing one of my T1's. I hate that crap. damn kiddiez
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: If you have switched from 32 bit to 64 bit then you need the drivers for windows 64 bit edition
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: And use the latest ndiswrapper he has substantially improved 64 bit support since dapper
[11:28] <Slayer4blind> do i have to use adept to install lame?
[11:28] <Slayer4blind> it says the encoder was not found
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> !info lame
[11:29] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[11:29] <jackle> Blissex: One of the tut's tell me to use pvcreate --uuid <<text>> --restorefile <<file>> ....but I dont have the file.. Can I just put the relevant partitions such as /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdc1 in stead of --restorefile
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: its in multiverse
[11:29] <Blissex> jackle: probably yes, cannot remember right now, but seems right.
[11:29] <fakepatriot> ! mounting hard drives
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mounting hard drives - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <fakepatriot> fuck
[11:29] <Blissex> jackle: i'll check with 'man pvcreate'
[11:30] <fakepatriot> !mounting hard drives
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mounting hard drives - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <Slayer4blind> so that means it doesn't encode the files?
[11:30] <Blissex> !ntfs
[11:30] <Blissex> ntfs
[11:30] <Blissex> !ntfs
[11:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:30] <fakepatriot> !mount
[11:30] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[11:32] <JFreakCapo> anybody can helpme? how change KDM for GDM :)
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:32] <JFreakCapo> thks
[11:32] <JFreakCapo> (a lot)
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> JFreakCapo: or sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (and select gdm as the choice)
[11:32] <Slayer4blind> do you just get bored so you come in here to help people?
[11:34] <lxnay> hi, where can I find kubuntu debs for download?
[11:34] <Slayer4blind> ahhh adept froze
[11:35] <Slayer4blind> and it was installing lmae
[11:35] <Slayer4blind> lame*
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> try aptitude
[11:35] <Slayer4blind> whats that?
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> package manager
[11:36] <Slayer4blind> where is it>?
[11:36] <Slayer4blind> I don't think I have it
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude (from a terminal) - you can still use the mouse its just an ncurses gui
[11:36] <Slayer4blind> ehh
[11:37] <Slayer4blind> I'll just restart adept
[11:37] <Slayer4blind> see if it works this time
[11:37] <Slayer4blind> I need more ram
[11:37] <Slayer4blind> only 128MB >.<
[11:37] <Slayer4blind> but I'm getting 1024MB soon ^_^
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> Just use the existing ram more efficiently (i.e by using aptitude instead of adept)
[11:38] <Slayer4blind> lol
[11:38] <Slayer4blind> well I may do that
[11:38] <Slayer4blind> adept isn't showing up again
[11:38] <Slayer4blind> is there a task manager like on windows?
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> ps -ef or ps auxw
[11:38] <kegie> hey, anyone else having a problem with firefox not refreshing when loading new pages (on dapper)?
[11:39] <DaSkreech> !lnaguage
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lnaguage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <Slayer4blind> this termibal is getting hard to get used to\
[11:39] <Slayer4blind> terminal*
[11:39] <kegie> Slayer4blind: try ksysguard
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> Slayer4blind: I think the kde way for killing stuff is using dcop but I don't remember the syntax
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Slayer4blind: Ctrl+Esc
[11:40] <misieq> i have to cut out a piece of html from a website, starting with specific text and ending with specific text... what tool would be best to do that?
[11:41] <Slayer4blind> ok
[11:41] <Slayer4blind> well
[11:41] <Slayer4blind> aptitude isn't working right
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ?
[11:42] <shadowhywind> anyone have any idea why my wireless driver worked in one install but not again in the reinstall??
[11:42] <Slayer4blind> well it said something about the admin thing already in use
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: You cannot use 32bit drivers with a 64 bit kernel (as I have said multiple times to you)
[11:42] <Blissex> shadowhywind: we are sorry, but our clairvoyant advisors are all busy on other lines :-).
[11:42] <Slayer4blind> and that would be by adept
[11:42] <Slayer4blind> but adept proccess wont end and yea
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> Slayer4blind: run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lame (it will tell you which lock file is in use)
[11:43] <shadowhywind> i reinstalled 32 again
[11:43] <stefan_> -/join xgl-de
[11:43] <shadowhywind> so i could have my wireless working again
[11:43] <Slayer4blind> ehh
[11:43] <Slayer4blind> I'm going to restart
[11:43] <Slayer4blind> this is angering me
[11:43] <Slayer4blind> my computer sucks
[11:43] <kegie> Slayer4blind: try just logout/login again
[11:43] <Slayer4blind> ok
[11:44] <Slayer4blind> will it end all proccesses?
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: But you got it working last time ?
[11:44] <Telroth_Plushie|> Slayer4blind,
[11:44] <shadowhywind> i had it working in 32-bit, yes
[11:44] <Telroth_Plushie|> pull out a console
[11:44] <Slayer4blind> yes?
[11:44] <kegie> yeah.. but its faster than rebooting ;) but you couldn't kill adept from ctrl+esc?
[11:44] <Slayer4blind> I did
[11:44] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo killall adept
[11:44] <shadowhywind> and useing the same drivers as before
[11:44] <Slayer4blind> ok
[11:45] <misieq> i have to cut out a piece of html from a website, starting with specific text and ending with specific text... what tool would be best to do that?
[11:45] <Telroth_Plushie|> misieq, once or multiple times?
[11:45] <misieq> i'm smart enough to use text editor if that's what you mean :] 
[11:46] <misieq> of course multiple
[11:46] <Telroth_Plushie|> misieq, open url in konqueror -> view -> document source if you simply need to do it by hand a few times
[11:46] <Telroth_Plushie|> if you need to do it repeatedly and often, look into perl scripts or bash scripts
[11:47] <misieq> nah.... i want it _automated_ to put in cron
[11:47] <Telroth_Plushie|> ah, ok
[11:47] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can write a script in bash
[11:47] <Telroth_Plushie|> use wget to fetch the page
[11:47] <misieq> yeah, i was thinking about perl or sed/awk....
[11:47] <JohnFlux> misieq: hi
[11:47] <Telroth_Plushie|> then use bash or perl to run it through sed/awk
[11:47] <JohnFlux> misieq: when you select html in konqueror, it does actually copy the html to the clipboard
[11:47] <misieq> i only want to know how to cut that piece
[11:48] <JohnFlux> misieq: wait, "cut out"?
[11:48] <misieq> argh... let me refine my problem
[11:48] <JohnFlux> misieq: oh, like you want to preprocess the html pages first
[11:48] <JohnFlux> misieq: use a webproxy
[11:50] <misieq> i have a webpage that is generated (let's take it i've already downloaded it) and there is a piece of information contained between some text markers that i want to use. how do i cut out this piece of information?
[11:50] <JohnFlux> misieq: as a once off?
[11:51] <misieq> no. i want to put this job to cron
[11:51] <JohnFlux> misieq: and you want the piece of information, or the html page without that piece of information?
[11:52] <misieq> i want only the piece that is contained between name it <!-- start --> and <!-- end --> markers
[11:52] <MeTa[AwAy] > by eall yoo 8
[11:53] <JohnFlux> misieq: okay, well what specifically are the markers?
[11:53] <cannonball> perl's HTML::TokeParser will do it, but if you're not a perl guy, it is like speaking a different language.
[11:53] <JohnFlux> misieq: you can use  sed   for this
[11:53] <JohnFlux> cannonball: possibly an overkill
[11:53] <misieq> you can take they are <!-- start --> and <!-- end --> only the text that is commented out is different
[11:54] <misieq> cannonball: i'm a bit to programming (though not shell) but leraning whole perl to do this one simple thing? i think it's exaggerated.
[11:55] <misieq> though if there's no other way out i might give it a try
[11:55] <francesco_> salve a tutti
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> If it always the same number of lines inbetween then you can just load all the lines into an array and then just put back the line numbers you need
[11:56] <misieq> h3sp4wn: no. as i said it is generated
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> misieq: What do you mean ? it generates a different number of lines of html each time ?
[11:56] <misieq> JohnFlux: you have any script? or can you only suggest a tool?
[11:57] <JohnFlux>    cat somefile.html  | sed -ne 's/<!-- start -->\(\(.|\n\)*\)<!-- end -->/\1/p'
[11:57] <misieq> h3sp4wn: not *exatly* each time, once daily it changes and i want to run the script with resolution of 1 day.
[11:57] <JohnFlux> i haven't tested
[11:57] <misieq> JohnFlux: thanks, going to try it out
[11:58] <mike__2342322342> can someone help me install xgl?
[11:58] <JohnFlux> misieq: will there be newlines between the start and end?
[11:59] <misieq> JohnFlux: wait a sec
[12:01] <JohnFlux> cat somefile.html  | sed -ne 's/^.*<!-- start -->\(.*\)<!-- end -->.*$/\1/p'
[12:01] <JohnFlux> that's works when there's no newline
[12:01] <misieq> JohnFlux: the file i want to cut information from is here: http://misieq.dyn.pl/helion/ and the information i want to have is contained between "<!--prawy panel-->" and "<!--koniec prawego panela-->"
[12:02] <DaSkreech> How do I detach a screen session I'm currently in?
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: control D (unless you are in 2 at once)
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Then it would detach the main one
[12:03] <weas3l> niiiice....
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Which would still be running?
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> Are you talking about just one copy of screen that is running ?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: they all would
[12:05] <gnomefreak> detaching just takes a session and moves it to a new terminal(screen)
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Yeah I need to login start a process which takes a few days and then logout and see family eat sleep and all that other sterotypical non-it stuff
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !screen
[12:08] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Schweet