[01:46] <fschoep> troy_s: I'm here for a few more minutes
[01:47] <kwwii> hehe
[01:48] <kwwii> dude, what have you guys got working as far as a usplash goes?
[01:54] <fschoep> kwwii: not a lot, really
[01:54] <kwwii> fschoep: then we should stay in touch
[01:54] <kwwii> now is when we can use cross-desktop understanding
[01:54] <fschoep> So, I need something for tomorrow :)
[01:55] <kwwii> I have some pics ready for both
[01:55] <fschoep> Doesn't matter what it looks like
[01:55] <kwwii> one with 256 and one with 16 colors
[01:55] <fschoep> It can be blue / purple
[01:55] <kwwii> I am unsure exactly how to animate the progress bar
[01:55] <fschoep> That's something Seveas can explain probably
[01:56] <kwwii> and the throbber is a funky thing, if the progress bar is already moving, in my opinion
[01:56] <fschoep> It's still unclear whether or not Edgy will have a proper progress bar or a throbber only
[01:57] <kwwii> hehe
[01:57] <Seveas> kwwii, if you have a simple background+foreground image for progress bar, you can use the code from the example theme
[01:57] <kwwii> until now, it says that we have to use a normal progress bar
[01:57] <Seveas> edgy still does normal progress bar now
[01:57] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, I checked that out now
[01:58] <kwwii> Seveas: I started with wanting to draw boxes to make the progress bar (6-8 boxes)
[01:58] <Seveas> kwwii, alternatively, send me the images with a description of what you had in mind and I'll create the code
[01:58] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, sounds good.
[01:58] <kwwii> I started to look at the README and code tonight
[01:58] <kwwii> and then the meeting started
[01:58] <Seveas> heh
[01:59] <kwwii> I will look more closely into it tomorrow
[01:59] <Seveas> it's not too difficult, but assumes a certain amount of C knowledg
[01:59] <kwwii> I have a *lot* of experience with the older linux bootsplash
[01:59] <kwwii> so I think I can figure it out
[01:59] <fschoep> I'll get into it as well tomorrow, shouldn't be too hard
[01:59] <kwwii> :-)
[01:59] <kwwii> I made the syntax of the bootsplash config files, actually
[02:00] <Seveas> I'll be online here or dennis@jabber.ubuntu-nl.org for questions
[02:00] <kwwii> Seveas: what would be better: using a bitmap for the progress bar or drawing several boxes?
[02:01] <Seveas> bitmap is easier
[02:01] <Seveas> and looks nicer imho
[02:01] <kwwii> Seveas: hehe, than that makes my job easier
[02:01] <BHSPitLappy> talking about usplash?
[02:01] <kwwii> Seveas: I will ping you tomorrow about this stuff
[02:01] <Seveas> kwwii, ok, but not too early
[02:01] <Seveas> had 4h sleep last night
[02:01] <Seveas> and it's 2am
[02:02] <kwwii> Seveas: don't worry, I am up all day
[02:02] <kwwii> we are in the same time zone
[02:02] <kwwii> and I have a son
[02:02] <kwwii> here is my first 256 color image: http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1256.png
[02:03] <BHSPitLappy> can someone comment on the last entry at wiki.ubuntu.org/UbuntuSounds , it feels lonely :)
[02:04] <lapo> hey guys this work really is impressive http://huw.ugbox.net/UbuntuEvolve/
[02:04] <lapo> no way to have it in edgy
[02:04] <lapo> ?
[02:05] <fschoep> Maybe, I can't promise anything
[02:05] <lapo> I think it is the most original to date
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> I think it looks cool, but... something about it just seems "too" messy to me
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> and "messy" + ubuntu's color scheme = gross
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> also... wasn't today supposed to be the deadline for art decisions
[02:07] <fschoep> Feature Freeze, indeed
[02:08] <yoshiznit123> i like it, except for the gradient background and color, which seems out of place
[02:08] <yoshiznit123> and it would be cool if the ubuntu logo had the same style (with growing plants and stuff :-))
[02:12] <Seveas> kwwii, shiny!
[02:13] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:13] <kwwii> too much soo, but you get the idea
[02:13] <kwwii> I was working on making the progress bar in singular boxes
[02:13] <Seveas> nice first attempt
[02:13] <kwwii> :-)
[02:14] <kwwii> the logo is kinda final
[02:14] <kwwii> I will remove the glow
[02:15] <lapo> kwwii: nice one, I'd try to make the gape between the circle and the top right gear more evident
[02:15] <kwwii> lapo: yeah, good point
[02:15] <kwwii> I thought that the spacing between all the gears and the circle is a bit too tight
[02:15] <BHSPitLappy> kwwii, does that progress bar look like the default progress bar widget that ships with kubuntu?
[02:16] <kwwii> hehe, nope
[02:16] <kwwii> I guess not
[02:16] <kwwii> I spent sooo much time trying to make everything the same
[02:16] <kwwii> and then someone comes along and says that that is not important
[02:16] <lapo> kwwii: I think the space is ok, I'd use something like a brighter o darker stroke/bevel like on the othe to
[02:17] <kwwii> lapo: sure, it needs lots of work, it is the result of half an hour
[02:17] <lapo> cool tho
[04:25] <troy_s> ping
[04:39] <BHSPitLappy> pong!
[04:58] <desrt> troy_s; your gdm splash screen is gorgeous
[04:59] <desrt> troy_s; just wanted to send some positive feedback your way.  it looks great :)
[04:59] <BHSPitLappy> link?
[04:59] <desrt> apt-get install edgy-gdm-themes
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> I'm gonna install knot 2 after this thing's finished copying, I've already got it burned
[05:01] <troy_s> eek
[05:01] <troy_s> desrt... thanks for that.  there is going to be massive chitter about the whole thing.  it is a tricky rope to walk in ubuntuland.
[05:02] <desrt> troy_s; ignore the haters.  it's beautiful :)
[05:02] <desrt> BHSPitLappy; http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/edgy-ubuntu-theme.png
[05:03] <desrt> erm
[05:03] <desrt> http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/edgy-gdm-theme.png rather
[05:03] <troy_s> No haters.  It is quite a bit of effort to get the artwork 'working' in Ubuntu because we ultimately have sabdfl as a 'client'.
[05:03] <BHSPitLappy> 404'd!
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> very pretty
[05:04] <troy_s> And _he_ calls the shots -- extremely busy fellow that he is with the snowball of ubuntu.
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> desrt, how'd you guess my exact screen resolution ;)
[05:04] <desrt> BHSPitLappy; *shrug* :p
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> hax!
[05:05] <BHSPitLappy> I wish someone would comment on my submission to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds ...
[05:05] <desrt> troy_s; sabdfl is a crazy :)
[05:05] <desrt> troy_s; with a fetish for liquid latex
[05:06] <BHSPitLappy> you mean LaTeX
[05:06] <troy_s> No, he is quite a bright fellow actually.
[05:06] <desrt> i mean liquid latex in a bottle :p
[05:07] <troy_s> do you have a widescreen monitor desrt?
[05:07] <desrt> troy_s; 1280x800 on my macbook
[05:07] <BHSPitLappy> same on my dell i6000
[05:08] <desrt> my macbook is famous.
[05:08] <troy_s> So it at least scaled properly.  The logo still needs a tweak -- the output cropped the alias off the bottom of the lettering.
[05:08] <BHSPitLappy> suuure
[05:09] <troy_s> There could very well be a migration back to monochromatic however.
[05:09] <BHSPitLappy> I could only tell by looking reeeeeal close, after you said it.
[05:10] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy, that's good.
[05:10] <troy_s> laf.
[05:10] <BHSPitLappy> laf.?
[05:10] <troy_s> Well it means that it isn't _too_ obvious ... but Frank has been working furiously to hit the deadline
[05:10] <troy_s> and seveas has been running on zero sleep to make sure usplash gets improved for edgy.
[05:11] <troy_s> all in all, there has been a _lot_ of hard work by a lot of folks on much stuff that isn't entirely 100% up front visible.
[05:11] <BHSPitLappy> and it's surely worth it, the new usplash stuff is awesome
[05:11] <desrt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdga/185576131/in/pool-guadec2006/
[05:11] <desrt> fame!
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> desrt, paint?
[05:12] <troy_s> How cool is that?
[05:12] <desrt> windowclingers
[05:12] <troy_s> laf.
[05:12] <troy_s> I was going to say, its those window gels
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> laf.???
[05:13] <troy_s> its funny.
[05:13] <troy_s> hence the laf.
[05:13] <desrt> "laf." is the new LOL
[05:13] <BHSPitLappy> oh. missed the memo.
[05:13] <desrt> anyway.  gotta jet.  ciao :)
[05:15] <BHSPitLappy> adios...
[05:58] <BHSPitLappy> dead channel?
[06:03] <pintor> hi
[06:03] <BHSPitLappy> hi
[07:30] <PseudoPlacebo> goodnight guys
[07:34] <BHSPitLappy> night
[10:33] <bersace> troy_s: hey brother !
[10:33] <bersace> congrats for the artwork !
[11:24] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys.
[11:25] <HiddenWolf> I was wondering, has anyone made an ubuntu-themed screensaver?
[11:25] <HiddenWolf> Say a variation on the bouncing gnome-foot idea or something?
[12:03] <klepas> has anyone here worked with ksplash theming much before?
[03:03] <kwwii> so...guess it is time to start in on the usplash
[03:03] <kwwii> :-)
[03:04] <HiddenWolf> The rest of the stack looks really sweet already.
[03:12] <fschoep> kwwii: just read your e-mail so ping :)
[03:13] <kwwii> :-)
[03:13] <kwwii> hey man
[03:13] <fschoep> hi
[03:13] <kwwii> so I guess you have seen the example theme
[03:14] <fschoep> No, didn't get to that yet - sounds stupid I know ;)
[03:14] <kwwii> hehe, I built it but it does not work on my eMac
[03:15] <kwwii> and I don't want to mess up the system on my laptop
[03:15] <fschoep> I can understand that
[03:15] <fschoep> I just need *something* to get into Edgy right now
[03:15] <kwwii> but checking out the pics in the source makes things clear
[03:15] <fschoep> as you probably gathered yesterday
[03:16] <kwwii> well, at the least, we could change the bg in the test theme, and the throbber pics
[03:16] <kwwii> that would get something in now
[03:16] <fschoep> OK
[03:16] <fschoep> It's in usplash-dev?
[03:16] <kwwii> yepp
[03:16] <fschoep> And it needs to go into usplash-art?
[03:16] <kwwii> good question, not sure
[03:16] <fschoep> Wait I think someone said it in yesterday's meeting - Spotlight here we come
[03:18] <fschoep> Keybuk: remember that the usplash artwork should go in the themes packages
[03:18] <fschoep> [01:32am]  Keybuk: not in the usplash package
[03:18] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:20] <fschoep> Maybe I should just go and check out the example and report back once I know more
[03:20] <kwwii> hehe, might be good
[03:20] <kwwii> but removing the progress bar is not an option if I understood correctly?
[03:20] <fschoep> The design can change a bit later on I presume, at least - I hope
[03:21] <fschoep> Where did you read that?
[03:21] <kwwii> I thought it was in a mail
[03:21] <kwwii> one second
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> at the very least it's not a good idea
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> people get nervous when they don't see progress indication during boot
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> I sure as hell do.
[03:21] <fschoep> OK sure, but replacing the progress bar with an animating throbber would work, no?
[03:21] <fschoep> Like WIndows and Mac OS X do?
[03:21] <cbx33> fschoep: hi
[03:22] <fschoep> Real progress indication is going away for Edgy (or +1) anyway
[03:22] <fschoep> cbx33: good to to you, sir
[03:22] <HiddenWolf> probably, yes. :)
[03:22] <cbx33> ow are you fschoep
[03:22] <fschoep> cbx33: fine, thanks, you?
[03:22] <kwwii> fschoep: I think I misunderstood that part
[03:22] <cbx33> yeh
[03:23] <fschoep> cbx33: noticed your sounds are in since yesterday?
[03:23] <fschoep> cbx33: I've been told people quite like them
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh me too
[03:23] <cbx33> :D:D
[03:23] <fschoep> ;)
[03:23] <fschoep> kwwii: do you know if boot messages are still shown?
[03:24] <kwwii> fschoep: I think so
[03:24] <fschoep> So there still needs to be an area for that?
[03:25] <fschoep> I really thought Keybuk was on the ball to remove those but I couldn't really make anything out of his update yesterdat evening so I very well might be wrong
[03:25] <fschoep> yesterday*
[03:26] <kwwii> it appears to be shown in the example theme
[03:27] <fschoep> I see
[03:27] <fschoep> Maybe it *is* a better idea for me to check the code first :)
[03:28] <fschoep> Do we meet later today kwwii ?
[03:28] <kwwii> fschoep: yes, please, if you have time
[03:28] <fschoep> OK, what time are you on?
[03:29] <fschoep> I think I can squeeze into IRC from 18.00'ish to 20.30'ish
[03:29] <kwwii> cool, sounds good
[03:30] <fschoep> OK, my main priority today is get *something* in, after that we can work on designing something together
[03:31] <kwwii> excellent, me too
[03:31] <fschoep> OK, nice - see you this evening hopefully! Possibly even earlier than that,
[03:31] <kwwii> see you later :-)
[03:31] <fschoep> OK, thanks!
[05:28] <Seveas> kwwii, the example theme just showcases possibilities. But upstart doesn't have to use all that usplash has to offer. If you want to play safe, implement it all and scott can choose what he needs.
[05:30] <Seveas> troy_s, looking at gnome-session code, I really don't think a cairo based approach is the right thing to do for a shaped window. I'll look at the gnome splash screen code and try to do a similar thing for the logout window (and maybe even for the gksu window), but that's for edgy+1
[05:31] <kwwii> Seveas: the problem with that idea is that it seriously limits the art side of things
[05:31] <Seveas> kwwii, why?
[05:31] <kwwii> Seveas: making a picture that looks good even though you cut out certain pieces just doesn't work very often
[05:31] <Seveas> ah, right
[05:32] <kwwii> well, it is possible to get the greatest common denominator effect...but that is not ideal
[05:33] <Seveas> then the art team has to summon sabdfl and kamion and make them decide what they want
[05:33] <Seveas> s/kamion/keybuk/
[05:33] <kwwii> at first, we are going to put something in based on the example theme, then when we slowly move forward with specific ideas and changes
[05:33] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, that is kinda what I was thinking last night at the meeting
[05:33] <Seveas> I liked imbrandons approach
[05:34] <Seveas> btw: for edgy+1 I have a few more usplash ideas (more drawing primitives, better text support) and I'll implement it early in the cycle
[05:44] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, sounds good
[07:15] <fschoep> Seveas: do you have a minute?
[07:15] <fschoep> kwwii: I'm here
[07:16] <Seveas> fschoep, yes
[07:17] <fschoep> Great, it's about usplash ;)
[07:19] <kwwii> fschoep:
[07:19] <kwwii> fschoep: me too
[07:19] <fschoep> OK, nice
[07:19] <fschoep> Seveas: I need to get *something* packaged before tonight
[07:19] <fschoep> Seveas: can you help me out?
[07:20] <Seveas> sure
[07:20] <fschoep> Seveas: can you also get it into Edgy?
[07:20] <fschoep> Just asking as much as I want ;)
[07:20] <Seveas> I can package it for you if that's what you mean
[07:20] <fschoep> Yes
[07:21] <fschoep> Seveas: I just need a random usplash image for now
[07:21] <Seveas> fschoep, easiest thing is to take the example theme from usplash-dev
[07:21] <fschoep> Seveas: I have an extremely boring one at hand
[07:22] <kwwii> fschoep: are we agreed that both ubuntu and kubuntu will have the same basic theme, only with different pics?
[07:22] <fschoep> kwwii: I think so, as long as "ours" fits into the rest of "our" theme ;)
[07:22] <kwwii> fschoep: exactly :-)
[07:22] <Seveas> fschoep, dennis@ubuntu.com would welcome it
[07:22] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, thanks - I'll send it in a minute
[07:22] <Seveas> is it .xcf/.svg?
[07:22] <kwwii> Seveas: could we put both the kubuntu and ubuntu stuff in one theme?
[07:22] <fschoep> Seveas: XCF
[07:22] <Seveas> kwwii, no
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: both kwwii and I need to get at least *some* picture into Edgy today to please the FF people
[07:23] <kwwii> Seveas: do you think he'd package mine too then? :-)
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: if you can help me and kwwii out, you'll get two beers next time we meet ;)
[07:23] <Seveas> kwwii, you know the address
[07:23] <Seveas> fschoep, where in NL do you live? 
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: Zeeland
[07:24] <Seveas> fschoep, hmm, never been there
[07:24] <fschoep> Seveas: you do'
[07:24] <fschoep> -
[07:24] <fschoep> don't want to go there
[07:24] <kwwii> Seveas: which part of europe do you live in?
[07:24] <fschoep> it's flat, empty and about ten people per square mile
[07:24] <Seveas> kwwii, NL
[07:24] <Seveas> fschoep, I live in lelystad
[07:24] <kwwii> hehe, I am surrounded by dutchmen
[07:24] <Seveas> 60000 people surronded by nothingness
[07:25] <fschoep> Hehe ;)
[07:25] <fschoep> kwwii: sometimes I feel Ze Germanz are taking over Ubuntu with your posse :)
[07:25] <fschoep> j/k of course
[07:26] <fschoep> But on the topic of work, Seveas if I send you a picture (large resolution) can you get it into Edgy tonight?
[07:26] <Seveas> yes
[07:26] <fschoep> That would be so awesome
[07:26] <PingunZ> Hey all :)
[07:26] <Seveas> does it include a picture of a progress bar?
[07:26] <fschoep> Hey PingunZ how you doing?
[07:26] <PingunZ> Fine, just finished the Blubuntu GDM
[07:26] <fschoep> Seveas: Not sure, I don't think so - can you use your example one?
[07:26] <Seveas> of course
[07:26] <fschoep> PingunZ: I saw it, looking good
[07:26] <Seveas> but it won't fit the kubuntu theme
[07:26] <PingunZ> Thanks fschoep :)
[07:27] <Seveas> damnit
[07:27] <Seveas> I forgot again
[07:27] <fschoep> Seveas: kwwii: we'll work on getting them in line later on, right now we need to please the FF people ;)
[07:27] <Seveas> what is the lowest common widescreen resolution?
[07:27] <PingunZ> Seveas: Could you repeat the commands to use your custom usplash theme ? -> I had an X crash while trying it ;)
[07:27] <fschoep> 1280x800?
[07:28] <kwwii> probably
 @calc 1280/16*9
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[07:28] <Seveas> 1280x720
[07:28] <kwwii> well, you also have 16:10 on lots of machines
[07:28] <fschoep> I honestly don't know anyone with that screen resolution?
[07:28] <fschoep> 16:10 is more common I think (props kwwii)
[07:28] <kwwii> hehe, the computer I am working on has it
[07:28] <Seveas> ok, 16:10
[07:29] <fschoep> Mine as well (macbook)
[07:29] <Seveas> now scale that to a 4:3 resolution
[07:29] <Seveas> meh, I am calculating the wrong way
[07:29] <PingunZ> @calc 1280/16*12
[07:29] <PingunZ> Bah, I Shut up :p
[07:29] <fschoep> PingunZ: no magic?
[07:30] <PingunZ> @calc 1280/16*12
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 960
[07:30] <PingunZ> -_-
[07:30] <fschoep> Nice trick
[07:30] <Seveas> @calc 1024/16*9
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 576
[07:30] <Seveas> hmm
[07:30] <fschoep> @calc 1024/16*10
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 640
[07:30] <Seveas> @calc 768/9*16
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 1365.33333333
[07:31] <PingunZ> Seveas: Math freak ? :)
[07:31] <Seveas> so... 1365x768 scaled to 1024x768 should be nice on widescreen
[07:31] <fschoep> You know what, that Ubugtu guy can sure calculate things fast.
[07:31] <PingunZ> rofl fschoep that's a bash.org one
[07:32] <fschoep> Probably ;)
[07:32] <PingunZ> You weren't serious right ?
[07:32] <fschoep> Seveas: my "picture" is one color with the logo on it, that's all.
[07:32] <fschoep> PingunZ: no
[07:32] <Seveas> kwwii, and yours?
[07:33] <PingunZ> Seveas: I think you missed my question above :: How can I use your custom-usplash-theme ( I had an X crash when you explained me yesterday ) ?
[07:33] <kwwii> here is my idea: http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1a.png
[07:34] <Seveas> PingunZ, now is not the time -- work to do
[07:34] <Seveas> I have 4.5 hours to create 6 usplash themes
[07:34] <kwwii> hehe
[07:34] <PingunZ> Ohw
[07:34] <PingunZ> Well, tell me in 5 hours then ;)
[07:35] <PingunZ> If you need any help that doesn't require intelligence I'd like to help :)
[07:35] <Seveas> kwwii, could you send that to me as xcf, (btw, the contrast between progressbar and its background is too small)
[07:35] <kwwii> I made mine as an SVG...should I send the png files (with the same palette, of course)
[07:35] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, that is what I thought too
[07:35] <Seveas> kwwii, if you send pngs, I need these:
[07:35] <Seveas> * Full progressbar
[07:35] <Seveas> * Empty one
[07:35] <PingunZ> kwwii: That mockup with a scrolling logo would be sick :)
[07:35] <Seveas> * 800x600 rendering of image without progressbar
[07:35] <Seveas> * 1024x768 rendering
[07:36] <kwwii> Seveas: I have versions of all the pics in the example-theme file
[07:36] <Seveas> * 1365x768 rendering, preferably even scaled to 1024x768 (NOT with imagemagick)
[07:36] <kwwii> including the cropped one
[07:36] <fschoep> Seveas: I sent you the "design"
[07:36] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, I'll send you them asap
[07:36] <Seveas> the scaled one in the example is bad
[07:36] <Seveas> fschoep, great
[07:36] <kwwii> hehe, we had quite a discussion about scaling last time around
[07:37] <fschoep> kwwii: tell me about it ;)
[07:54] <kristog> 4/wc
[07:58] <Seveas> fschoep, I need the xcf of the theme or the rendering in the 3 resolutions I asked
[07:58] <fschoep> Seveas: oh dear, can't you clip the canvas?
[07:59] <fschoep> Seveas: I can't imagine an XCF adding a lot more data, but maybe I'm wrong
[07:59] <Seveas> fschoep, what's the resolution of the .png (too lazy to look) ;)
[08:00] <fschoep> Let me determine
[08:01] <fschoep> 1600 by 1200 px
[08:01] <Seveas> that'll do
[08:01] <bersace> youpi ! i have dputed my first package to revu :D
[08:02] <Seveas> btw: shouldn't there be a xubuntu splash too??
[08:02] <fschoep> bersace: !
[08:02] <fschoep> Seveas: that is a good question, it's not my task to get that one in right now
[08:03] <fschoep> Seveas: there are also no Xubuntu developers in the weekly meeting
[08:05] <PingunZ> And what about Edubuntu ?
[08:05] <Seveas> I think that if we get ubuntu and kubuntu in, edubuntu and xubuntu can be accepted post-freeze
[08:06] <fschoep> Seveas: indeed
[08:07] <fschoep> Seveas: I think, but it's only thinking, that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the more rigidly controlled distro's.
[08:07] <Seveas> ok, palette created, now to create the images
[08:08] <kwwii> Seveas: sending you pics now
[08:12] <PingunZ> -- Me gets exited for the result --
[08:13] <PingunZ> Anything I can do to help ? -- Not requiring a lot of skills ..
[08:13] <fschoep> PingunZ: high contrast icons ;)
[08:13] <PingunZ> rofl fschoep, sorry I hate to make icons ..
[08:13] <PingunZ> I listed them for you but I can't make icons ..
[08:13] <fschoep> PingunZ: is there a reason for it?
[08:17] <fschoep> I've got about five minutes before I need to run elsewhere, anyone want to discuss something right now?
[08:18] <PingunZ> fschoep: I'm not good in small pictures .. :)
[08:18] <fschoep> PingunZ: I see, it's no problem I think bersace is on the ball
[08:18] <bersace> fschoep: say what ?
[08:19] <PingunZ> bersace: Are you the high-contrast icon designer ?
[08:19] <fschoep> bersace: we were talking about the highcon icons
[08:19] <bersace> ah yes
[08:20] <fschoep> bersace: I said to PingunZ you were doing that a bit
[08:20] <bersace> yep
[08:20] <PingunZ> NIce :)
[08:20] <fschoep> bersace: going well?
[08:20] <bersace> but i've stopped the work
[08:20] <fschoep> oh
[08:20] <bersace> for some days
[08:20] <fschoep> Phew, no problem ;)
[08:20] <fschoep> Is the contact with Henrik going well?
[08:20] <bersace> (university registration, gnomescan uplaod to universe, gnome 2.18 roadmap, etc.)
[08:21] <bersace> in fact, the laptop i used to do the icon will come back this evening (in few minutes)
[08:21] <fschoep> I see :)
[08:21] <bersace> then i'll be able to get back all to icons and work on it again :P
[08:21] <fschoep> Good, good, keep it up :)
[08:21] <bersace> I would like to have a SVN at fd.o for a cross desktop highcon icon set
[08:22] <fschoep> That sounds terrific, how did the KDE guys react?
[08:22] <bersace> quite well :)
[08:22] <bersace> luckly :P
[08:22] <fschoep> Do I need to pitch in, or can Henrik help out maybe?
[08:22] <fschoep> Something like high contrast Tango sounds awesome.
[08:22] <bersace> yep
[08:23] <bersace> i would like to do something useful and reusable
[08:23] <bersace> i'll have to dive into icon-naming-utils and such
[08:24] <fschoep> Indeed, that's a great goal to achieve
[08:25] <bersace> yep
[08:25] <fschoep> Alright, I got to go, it's been nice talking to you. Seveas if you need something to get the job done, mail / ping me or kwwii and we'll help you out immediately.
[08:25] <fschoep> Thanks a lot again for your time.
[08:25] <Seveas> fschoep, it should be done in a fw minutes
[08:25] <fschoep> OK, great!
[08:25] <PingunZ> Cool, you're talking about Usplash themes right ?
[08:25] <PingunZ> Can I test them ??? :)
[08:25] <fschoep> See you soon all
[08:26] <PingunZ> laterz fschoep :)
[08:26] <fschoep> cu :)
[08:46] <PingunZ> Seveas: How is the usplash going ? ( You said it would be done in a few minutes, a few minutes ago  :) )
[08:46] <Seveas> PingunZ, I discovered a bug in usplash, so I'm fixing that first
[08:47] <PingunZ> Nice :)
[08:48] <_ion> Btw, now that gnome-background-properties supports "Style: Zoom", isn't the widescreen version of the Ubuntu background image redundant? Just set the default style for "Ubuntu Lagoon" as "Zoom", and it will work on every screen as expected.
[08:49] <_ion> That also makes it work nicely on a dualscreen setup.
[08:52] <_ion> In case anyone wonders what "Style: Zoom" does: on a 16:9 screen (or 8:3, as in my setup) it crops a 4:3 image from the top and the bottom so that it fits the screen's aspect ratio exactly.
[08:55] <Seveas> ok bug fixed
[09:00] <PingunZ> NIce Seveas :)
[09:00] <PingunZ> Argh, I have the too-long-shift-pressing bug :)
[09:05] <_ion> I posted this as a comment to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edgy-wallpapers/+bug/45385
[09:07] <PingunZ> Ok _ion
[09:09] <Seveas> kwwii, ubuntu splash done
[09:09] <Seveas> now for yours ;)
[09:11] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:12] <kwwii> I sent you pics with the same indexed colors (unless I screwed up)
[09:13] <PingunZ> Seveas: Is it the theme you're talking about // can I test it ?
[09:13] <Seveas> PingunZ, you can't test it
[09:13] <PingunZ> ='(
[09:13] <Seveas> right now it will build but not install
[09:14] <Seveas> which is intentional
[09:14] <Seveas> it needs a fixed usplash
[09:14] <PingunZ> Ok, well if I can help testing tell me :)
[09:14] <Seveas> otherwise it'll segfault
[09:14] <Seveas> no need for testing
[09:30] <PingunZ> Ah, well I just want to help :)
[09:30] <PingunZ> Is there any way to shrink a .svg's ?
[09:31] <_ion> What do you mean by shrink?
[09:32] <PingunZ> The size
[09:32] <kwwii> PingunZ: yes, open it in inkscape and then resize it
[09:32] <PingunZ> So it loads quicker --> Svg
[09:32] <PingunZ> *--> GDM
[09:32] <kwwii> hehe, the size of it has nothing to do with the loading time
[09:32] <kwwii> the file size matters
[09:32] <PingunZ> I meant that
[09:32] <_ion> gzip it. :-)
[09:32] <kwwii> click on "clear defs" in the file menu
[09:32] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[09:32] <kwwii> gzipping it means it takes longer to load
[09:33] <kwwii> removing the extra definitions might help a bit
[09:33] <kwwii> try to use primitives whenever possible
[09:33] <kwwii> paths take up space
[09:33] <kwwii> AI actually writes much smaller paths
[09:33] <kwwii> so the file size is much smaller
[09:34] <kwwii> it creates the same look with fewer nodes
[09:34] <PingunZ> kwwii: Does the page size influence the file size ?
[09:34] <kwwii> PingunZ: nope
[09:35] <PingunZ> Ah ok
[09:35] <PingunZ> So I just click vacuum defs
[09:35] <PingunZ> and that's it ?
[09:35] <kwwii> yep
[09:35] <kwwii> remove any unused objects and get rid of any layers
[09:35] <PingunZ> Done that :)
[09:35] <PingunZ> Its for the blubuntu gdm btw ;)
[09:36] <kwwii> cool :-)
[09:36] <kwwii> if you use the same path twice link it from the orig instead of copying and pasting it (but I admit that I am too lazy to do that)
[09:37] <PingunZ> kwwii: you mean in the xml code of the GDM ?
[09:38] <kwwii> PingunZ: nope, I mean in the SVG itself
[09:38] <PingunZ> Oh, sorry :)
[09:38] <PingunZ> Bah, it loads quick enough now
[09:39] <PingunZ> I stripped the .xml file, user a .jpg as background, ..
[09:41] <PingunZ> kwwii: You designed the Suse GDM right ? It only has a 800*600 .jpg picture as background
[09:42] <kwwii> PingunZ: yes, I made it, but no it does not only have that size of image
[09:43] <Seveas> kwwii, kubuntu theme finished too
[09:43] <Seveas> now what?
[09:44] <kwwii> Seveas: take a break! have a beer on me :-)
[09:44] <Seveas> hehe
[09:44] <Seveas> I though it had to go in today ;)
[09:44] <kwwii> Seveas: thanks so much for taking care of this stuff...it would have taken me 3 times as long
[09:45] <Seveas> kwwii, more
[09:45] <Seveas> you wouldn't have succeeded
[09:45] <Seveas> but that's my fault
[09:45] <Seveas> There was a bug in usplash, and one in the example theme
[09:45] <PingunZ> Seveas: Can I use/test it now ? :P
[09:46] <Seveas> PingunZ, neither
[09:46] <Seveas> they will make current usplash segfault
[09:46] <PingunZ> When will I ba able to ?
[09:46] <kwwii> lol
[09:46] <kwwii> then I really am lucky ;-)
[09:46] <Seveas> I'm waiting for a core-dev to upload a fixed usplash
[09:46] <PingunZ> Oh
[09:47] <PingunZ> What's the ETA for it to be ready ?
[09:48] <Seveas> the fix is there
[09:49] <Seveas> just needs to be uploaded
[09:49] <PingunZ> Yay, that doesn't take long I hope :)
[09:49] <PingunZ> So then we will have it in the repo's and be able to use it ?? :)
[10:12] <Seveas> kwwii, pushed some people around, uploads should happen soon
[10:15] <PingunZ> Then I can just upgrade ? :)
[10:15] <PingunZ> Any screenshots Seveas ?
[10:15] <kwwii> Seveas: excellent!
[10:15] <Seveas> PingunZ, i don't have any vm's lying around for that
[10:16] <Seveas> scary though, I had a kubuntu usplash for a while
[10:16] <Seveas> Even though I really don't like kde at all
[10:16] <kwwii> :p
[10:16] <PingunZ> Seveas: The background image ?
[10:16] <kwwii> lol
[10:17] <kwwii> I LOVE IT!!!
[10:17] <PingunZ> kwwii: you don't like gnome then ?
[10:17] <kwwii> PingunZ: no, I have nothing against gnome
[10:17] <PingunZ> I always get lost in kde :)
[10:18] <kwwii> heck, many of the programs I use are gtk :-)
[10:18] <PingunZ> Konquerror -> Eww :)
[10:18] <kwwii> konqueror is my favorite part
[10:18] <PingunZ> ^^
[10:18] <kwwii> since it can do everything
[10:18] <kwwii> it is like a swiss arm knife of browsing
[10:19] <PingunZ> rofl
[10:19] <kwwii> I have one window open with file browsing tabs, websites in tabs, several ftp connections in tabs, and SVN in tabs
[10:20] <PingunZ> Seveas: Perhaps now you have the time to tell me how to use you custom usplash theme -> the one from the video.
[10:20] <kwwii> open the embeded terminal too and you are in business
[10:20] <Seveas> PingunZ, that probably won't work anymore
[10:20] <kwwii> heck with konqueror you almost do not need the rest of kde anymore :p
[10:20] <PingunZ> Seveas: Too bad, I liked the look :)
[10:21] <PingunZ> kwwii: If you type in ' google ' in konquerror, does it automatically links to google.com ?
[10:24] <kwwii> PingunZ: type "gg: searchphrase"
[10:26] <kwwii> in kubuntu, if you only type a phrase in it will use locate:
[10:26] <kwwii> which is a local search, naturally
[10:26] <PingunZ> Ah ok
[10:27] <PingunZ> Is konquerror as quick as FF ?
[10:28] <kwwii> to be honest, I never tested the difference
[10:29] <kwwii> I use firefox for certain pages that require it specifically
[10:46] <PingunZ> ping me when its uploaded ;)
[11:08] <fschoep> Hi guys
[11:08] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[11:08] <fschoep> kwwii: ping
[11:08] <fschoep> Seveas: ping
[11:09] <Seveas> fschoep, themes are uploaded
[11:09] <fschoep> Godlike, thanks!
[11:09] <fschoep> Which package are they in?
[11:09] <Seveas> usplash-theme-ubuntu and kubuntu-default-settings
[11:09] <Seveas> the formr needs NEW massaging, so won't appear right now
[11:10] <kwwii> fschoep: pong
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, but it will make it into Edgy later on?
[11:10] <fschoep> kwwii: Hi, everything OK for your usplash?
[11:10] <Seveas> yes, as soon as kamion/keybuk make it go through
[11:10] <kwwii> fschoep: although I have never seen it in action, I hope so :-)
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, great - that's exactly what I needed
[11:10] <Seveas> (Feel free to poke them for it)
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: how can I ever pay my gratitude?
[11:10] <Seveas> kwwii, I've seen it, it needs work on the tekt colors but that's all
[11:11] <Seveas> fschoep, you promised me a beer
[11:11] <fschoep> True, but is that enough?
[11:11] <Seveas> fschoep, come to utrecht next saturday for software freedom day
[11:11] <Seveas> yes, a beer will do -- it wasn't that hard
[11:11] <fschoep> It's in?
[11:11] <fschoep> Utrecht duh
[11:11] <fschoep> It's too late for me 8)
[11:11] <Seveas> 5 minutes from utrecht overvecht station
[11:12] <Seveas> from 12 to 16
[11:12] <Seveas> I'll be showcasing usplash ;)
[11:12] <kwwii> fschoep: the final pic (before cutting, paletting) is http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1-640.png
[11:12] <fschoep> Sounds doable, but I'm not sure on my schedule
[11:12] <fschoep> kwwii: looking good
[11:12] <fschoep> Seveas: do you have a link to the schedule?
[11:13] <Seveas> there is no real schedule
[11:13] <Seveas> 1 room is nllgg meting
[11:13] <Seveas> 1 room is Ubuntu people
[11:13] <fschoep> I see, which building is it in?
[11:13] <Seveas> will have to look that up 
[11:14] <Seveas> Liefland College
[11:16] <fschoep> I see
[11:17] <fschoep> If I can go, I'll be there
[11:17] <fschoep> Seveas: thanks for pointing that out, I hope I can be there
[11:18] <Seveas> \o/
[11:18] <PingunZ> Eek, is the usplash done ?
[11:18] <PingunZ> and uploaded ?
[11:19] <fschoep> PingunZ: seems like it, yes
[11:19] <fschoep> It's a test image
[11:19] <fschoep> to replace the test image
[11:19] <PingunZ> Can I just install it in edgy ? --> What should I do ?
[11:19] <fschoep> Ask Seveas, he'll tell you if you ask nicely
[11:19] <PingunZ>  // what repo
[11:20] <PingunZ> Mister Seveas, How can I install your new beautiful usplash theme in Ubuntu Edgy ? :)
[11:20] <Seveas> PingunZ, unly for kubuntu and xubuntu you can use it
[11:21] <Seveas> by simply upgrading
[11:21] <Seveas> the ubuntu theme needs archive maintainer love
[11:21] <PingunZ> :'(
[11:21] <kwwii> Seveas: I wouldn't mind trying it again on my ppc box
[11:21] <PingunZ> Can I download the kubuntu theme ? :)
[11:21] <kwwii> I wonder if there is more that I need to do...it never worked since installation
[11:21] <Seveas> apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:22] <kwwii> edgy installation I mean
[11:22] <Seveas> kwwii, usplash on ppc has been broken for a long time
[11:22] <Seveas> but should be fixed now
[11:22] <kwwii> I will try it out
[11:22] <kwwii> it cannot be worse than it is :-)
[11:23] <fschoep> Hey guys, it's been a good day today but I'm thinking about going to sleep, so goodnight everyone.
[11:23] <PingunZ> 'night fschoep
[11:24] <fschoep> Thanks, see you all (and thanks again Seveas :) )
[11:24] <PingunZ> I'm rebooting, to see the usplash theme :D
[11:26] <kwwii> funny, it sees when updating that I have changed my kdm xml file and does not change it, but it replaces the pics I made with the old ones
[11:26] <kwwii> rebooting...brb
[11:30] <PingunZ> Seveas: Err, I apt-get installed kubuntu-default-settings, I rebooted and I still saw the old usplash
[11:31] <Seveas> PingunZ, hmm dpkg -l usplash kubuntu-default-settings
[11:31] <PingunZ> ii  kubuntu-defaul 6.10-28        Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu
[11:31] <PingunZ> ii  usplash        0.4-20         Userspace bootsplash utility
[11:31] <Seveas> those are old versions
[11:31] <Seveas> probably the new ones are waiting to be built and installed into the archive
[11:32] <Seveas> so be patient 
[11:32] <PingunZ> :'( I installed kubuntu for nothing :)
[11:32] <PingunZ> Bah, I'm going to sleep then
[11:32] <PingunZ> Bye all
[11:32] <kwwii> bye
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:33] <kwwii> yeah, mine still has the same mknode errors followed by the incompatible theme message
[11:33] <kwwii> I'll try it again tomorrow morning :-)
[11:33] <kwwii> something to look forward too
[11:33] <kwwii> s/too/to