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robertj_seb128: I rather dislike panel-do-dads in general though12:07
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KamionKeybuk: so what's usplash doing with console-screen.sh?12:31
KamionKeybuk: I ask because, err, I'm kind of superseding it12:31
KeybukKamion: it runs it to make sure that the console state is set (ie all the utf-8 stuff)12:32
Keybukbecause that didn't work while usplash was running12:32
Keybukprobably because the script was buggy12:32
sladenechoing escape codes onto a vt in graphics mode cause corruption or somesuch12:33
Kamionok, so console-setup should be able to do that too12:34
Kamioncould you please check if setupcon is on $PATH, and if so call it instead?12:34
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Kamiondear god I have a lot of patches to send to Anton once the code-to-a-deadline period has passed12:35
mvoconsole-screen.sh is going away? great12:37
Kamionit may not actually go away, but I'm just changing it now to exit 0 if setupcon is present12:37
Kamionbecause setupcon does the same job, and is called by a console-setup init script12:37
bluefoxicyAGHHELP12:38
Kamionwell ... roughly the same job. I think a few edge cases may still be missing12:38
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Kamionoh, hey, usplash is bzr-maintained, I can just do it myself12:40
mjg59Kamion: Feel free12:42
mjg59I'm trying to track down suspend regressions12:42
Kamionta12:42
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KeybukKamion: does setupcon change vts at all?12:47
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Hobbseehey dholbach 12:48
AlinuxOSmjg59, hello, here ?12:49
KamionKeybuk: yes12:49
dholbachhi Hobbsee12:49
AlinuxOSmjg59, can I disturb you ?12:49
KamionKeybuk: actually it's the tools it calls that do it12:49
KamionKeybuk: AFAIK setting the font involves a vt switch to get the ioctls to work right12:49
pittislomo: do you particularly care for wireshark? if so, do you fancy merging it again to kill two tons of vulnerabilities?12:50
mvoIIRC it was not possible to set the fonts while in graphics mode12:50
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Hobbseepitti: i'll do it, it seems to be on my list12:53
KamionKeybuk: I could be wrong about that, but all I know is that neither console-screen.sh nor setupcon change VT directly - it's one of the tools they call12:53
KeybukKamion: or the author of the code that sets the font thought it might require a vt switch12:54
Keybukand if one rewrote that code, it might not :-/12:55
Keybukand, frankly, if there's an ioctl that cares that a tty is the active one in order to change it, we can fix the kernel <g>12:55
KamionI certainly wouldn't complain - just don't know exactly which bit of code it is12:55
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Keybukbut short-term (in the next 5 mins), I would say the usplash init script should be changed to call your new script12:55
Kamionexactly what I'm doing12:56
Keybukgood man12:56
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AlinuxOSmjg59, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966 finally a solution found! now fonts have perfect outline in user and root mode. is it possible to have the same update for dapper and edgy and debian unstable in the same time ? Thank You again.12:58
UbugtuMalone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  12:58
pittiHobbsee: yay12:59
AlinuxOSpitti, hello ;) nad have a nice hacking night :) or maybe simply good night.12:59
pittihi AlinuxOS 01:00
pittiAlinuxOS: late night meeting today :)01:00
Hobbseepitti: seeing as it's got my name listed against it, perhaps i'd better, you know :P01:00
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KamionKeybuk: did you forget to check in usplash-testcard.c?01:00
sladento remove the brandingness?01:01
KeybukKamion: that's generated01:01
Kamionoh, it showed up in debdiff01:01
Kamionas being in the 0.4-19 source01:01
Keybukodd01:01
KamionI guess somebody forgot to clean?01:01
AlinuxOSpitti, I'm in Italy now...I was in Karlsruhe for a month...It was really great...now a little bit sad. (sorry for OT)01:01
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KeybukI guess clean isn't perfect01:02
KamionKeybuk: I don't see where it's generated?01:02
KeybukKamion: heh, maybe it's just cruft in my bzr directory :p01:02
Kamionbut the Makefile mentions it01:02
Kamion./Makefile:29:libusplash_OBJECTS = libusplash.o usplash-testcard.o usplash-testcard-theme.o $(usplash_BACKEND) bogl/helvB10.o01:02
KeybukKamion: weird01:03
KeybukKamion: it's generated by the .png.c rule01:03
Kamionoh, right, yeah - just found that01:04
Kamionright, good, signing and uploading01:04
dholbachif launchpad says there was a "chroot problem" - will it be automatically retried?01:08
pittiMithrandir: l-c-w-a-y-g?01:09
Mithrandirpitti: live-cd-write-as-you-go01:09
pittiMithrandir: thanks *hug*01:10
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madduckq/l01:31
madducksorry01:32
administratorKamion: may i have a word with you in pm?01:34
Kamionadministrator: sure, although I'm in a meeting so will not be paying full attention I'm afraid01:36
administratorKamion: oh ok, when is the meeting over?01:36
Kamionadministrator: half an hour to an hour, but then I'm going straight to sleep01:36
Kamionlet me know whatever it is now and I'll reply when I get a chance01:37
administratoralright01:37
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ogra_pitti, the student-control-panel MIR is missing, but its quite big so i didnt assume it will hit main before FF01:47
pittiogra_: if you need it, I can do it tomorrow, but I didn't hear any pokes about it so far, so I just postponed MIR in favor of some high urgency stuff01:48
ogra_pitti, it would rock if it could go on the CD 01:49
ogra_(so to main)01:49
ogra_but i didnt count on it anymore ... anyway, so do as you have time 01:49
pittiogra_: then it'll take a while; really, you have to urge me according to the goals01:50
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ogra_pitti, my problem is that i have an implemented spec that has never got the final approval by mdz ...01:50
pittiuh01:50
ogra_well, cbx33 jumped on it and implemented it ...01:51
ogra_i had already given it up since mdz said i should give it the lowes prio01:51
mdzpitti,ogra_: edgy targets get priority01:52
ogra_SCP was an edgy target initially ...01:52
ogra_it slipped down the list with every review ...01:52
ogra_i dont mind if SCP stays in universe for edgy and moves to main in edgy+1 ... its just that its really done so pete would deserve that it ends up on the CD01:53
ogra_he has put plenty of nightshifts into it01:54
ogra_(aside from making new ubuntu sounds and edubuntu artwork and patching pessulus etc ... he's a hard worker)01:54
pittiogra_: ok, I'll try to process MIR tomorrow01:55
ogra_that will make him very happy :)01:55
ogra_LaserJock, no upload to universe yet ? 01:55
LaserJockit is01:55
LaserJocksitting in NEW01:55
ogra_ah cool !01:56
ogra_:))01:56
ogra_edubuntu edgy will become sooo sexy :D01:56
seb128doko: that gnome-vfs changes has been made weeks ago, nothing to do with "our gnome law"01:57
seb128doko: and it doesn't break any app afaik01:57
seb128doko: a meeting is not the place to raise an issue for the first time01:57
dokoseb128: it wouldn't be a problem if somebody of the desktop team would check OOo and gnome after gnome upgrades01:59
seb128doko: we can't check every single function of every single app02:00
seb128I did test GNOME02:00
seb128and lot of people did02:00
seb128and nobody opened a bug in weeks now02:00
dholbachit's strange that a rebuild doesn't seem to help02:00
dholbachdoko: does the backtrace indicate gnomevfs problems?02:00
pittithe linker does not pick up libbonobo then?02:01
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Keybukthom: hmm02:01
dokodholbach: the OOo file selectors point into that direction02:01
dokoseb128: no, I just ask to start OOo *once* and edit a document / write it.02:01
seb128doko: openoffice is broken for weeks and you just noticed today?02:03
bluefoxicygah.02:03
bluefoxicyI can't get anything to not crash if I try to preload libhoard.02:03
dholbachseb128: no, it's broken for a while and it's known02:04
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dholbachseb128: it works with the std fileselector, but not with the gnome one02:04
seb128dholbach: and why it has not been mentionned before?02:05
dokoseb128: no, it's long known, but the recent discussion on debian-release pointed into that direction02:05
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seb128doko: I'm not on that chan, list, or whatever media the discussion was on02:06
pittimvo: I just discovered the software sources GUI and about three bugs :)02:07
dokoseb128: but apparently you did know about this issue02:07
seb128doko: no02:07
seb128doko: I didn't know that's an issue02:07
mvopitti: *ick* can you file bugs about them please? 02:07
pittimvo: I wil02:07
pittil02:07
seb128I know they moved symbols from gnome-vfs to libbonobo02:07
doko<seb128> doko: it's a discutable "ABI change" then ;)02:08
doko<mdz> seb128: are you and dholbach the only ones forwarding bugs upstream, or do others help as well?02:08
doko<seb128> doko: they moved some function from gnome-vfs to libbonobo which the linux linker handle fine02:08
seb128and that the linker manages fine02:08
seb128yeah02:08
seb128it's a "non issue" to upstream and to me02:08
seb128since it works fine02:08
dokoeven when dlopen'ing the libraries?02:08
Keybukseb128: does gnome-vfs DT_NEEDED libbonobo?02:08
Keybukor does it rely on the app doing that?02:08
seb128Keybuk: rely on app02:09
Keybukthen that's an ABI change02:09
Keybukand is broken02:09
Keybukyou should add a DT_NEEDED otherwise you just dropped symbols02:09
dholbachhum02:09
dholbachdoko: on which arch is it broken?02:09
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seb128Keybuk: apps linked with gnome-vfs were linked with libbonobo too so upstream argue that's not a breakage02:10
Keybukseb128: clearly that is not true02:11
Keybukas gnome-vfs does not link to libbonobo02:11
seb128no, but it doesn't use it neither02:11
seb128it uses dbus now02:11
Keybukif it doesn't use it, how come openoffice is having problems?02:11
seb128I don't know02:11
seb128we are making conjoncture that's due to that move02:11
Keybukdoko: what bonobo symbols does openoffice use from gnome-vfs ?02:11
seb128I've no detail about the bug02:11
Keybukmaybe it just needs to be rebuilt or something :p02:12
dholbachdoko: saving works on amd64 with gnome fileselector now02:12
dokoKeybuk: I didn't check yet. "just needs to be rebuilt" points to some problems.02:14
dholbachit's *_mime_* API that was moved02:17
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seb128dholbach: no, it's *bonobo*mime*02:19
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Kamionmdz: so, we never turned on universe and multiverse by default for edgy02:23
KeybukKamion: "turned on" ?02:23
Kamionthere's a spec about it02:24
Kamionturning them on by default02:24
ogra_eek02:24
mdzhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/enabling-additional-components02:24
Riddellyes please02:24
mdzmvo: ^^ ?02:24
KamionI had a look at the state of the package management system recently02:24
Kamiong-a-i seemed fine, the work there had been done02:24
Kamionsynaptic hadn't02:25
Kamionsoftware-properties hadn't02:25
mvomdz: that one is still in review 02:25
mdzmvo: I emailed about it a few weeks ago02:25
mdzbecause it is a dependency of easy-codec-installation02:25
Kamionif synaptic and software-properties could relatively easily be changed, it's a trivial switch to throw in the installer02:26
mdznot that I'll finish that tonight02:26
Kamionalthough it would slow down the apt-get update stage somewhat02:26
mvomdz: I would have to look that up, but IIRC I updated it and asked for review 02:26
Kamionso I wanted to know whether I should be throwing that switch02:26
mvoI noted that in the last two status update meetings that I'm blocked on this02:26
mdzmvo: I think sabdfl expressed some concern about the UI and I asked him for feedback02:26
mdzhmm, yes, I did02:27
mdzI didn't get a reply02:27
mvomdz: was that after my comment in the whiteboard: "2006-07-0502:29
mvoAdressed the comments by the various reviewers and added them to the spec itself - please review"02:29
mvo?02:29
mvomdz: it seems that its the synaptic stuff that is missing. I can have a look tomorrow and try to estimate how long it will take. I could get it done before the weekend I think02:32
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mvomdz: I'm off to bed now, please let me know what you think about this tomorrow02:39
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ogramdz, i have two fixes for dapper i'd like to land soon for ltsp, one is the fix at the end of #39294:and the other is a fx for g-p-m that hides the hibernate action on logout http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch02:53
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LaserJockoh man, synaptic repo stuff got really cool in edgy02:58
Kamionmdz: is the intent to switch to linux-generic as the default install kernel?03:00
Kamionthough that would effectively desupport 486 systems except for netboot and DVD (ha ha)03:01
Kamionmdz: perhaps linux-generic just on the desktop CD and leave -386 on the alternate?03:01
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Kamionmdz: of course, the trouble with *that* approach would be that desktop would have to be different between the desktop and alternate CDs in order to account for needing different linux-headers packages03:05
Kamionso I don't know03:05
KamionI'm moving desktop to linux-headers-386 for now, since that's the kernel provided on the CDs03:06
Kamion(as it happened we had linux-headers-686 in desktop and linux-headers-386 in ship, apparently by mistake, so that's a megabyte or so reclaimed from the i386 CD)03:07
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jdubSeveas: pong03:08
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Kamionoh, we ship both kernels on the alternate CD; hmm; I'll just match everything up03:10
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mdzKamion: linux-generic on desktop and -386 on alternate was the plan03:22
mdzKamion: hadn't thought about the headers problem03:23
Hobbseestupid question here, but why not use the linux-headers-generic, as you have with the rest of them?03:24
Hobbseeie, -image and restricted modules and all that?03:24
desrtupstart is acting really goofy....03:26
KamionHobbsee: -generic is basically -58603:31
Kamionit's not an "all the headers" metapackage03:31
Hobbseewell, yeah, of course.  so if you're only shipping -586, surely you only need the headers for -586?03:31
Kamionok, that unicode-data upload should untangle the console-data FTBFS on i38603:31
Hobbseelike i say, i think i'm missing something really stupidly obvious here03:32
Kamionat least the build-dep part; I'll upload tomorrow for the rest03:32
desrtbah03:32
desrtupstart won't do anything but boot into singleuser mode anymore :(03:32
KamionHobbsee: sure, you're right, but if we wanted to ship -generic on the desktop CD and -386 on the alternate CD, we run into the problem that the definition of the desktop seed is common to both desktop CD and alternate CD03:32
HobbseeKamion: point.  then stupid question number 2 is why you want to ship -386 at all then.03:33
KamionHobbsee: the only way to resolve that is to have both -386 and -generic in desktop, which is not really desirable due to bloat03:33
desrtand it's a terribly fucked single user mode where backspace puts a ^? ^H puts ^H and enter puts ^M and ^J puts ^J03:33
Hobbseeyes of course03:33
KamionHobbsee: because it's still actually possible and occasionally useful to install 486-class systems with Ubuntu, believe it or not; and also I believe there's still some legacy hardware around that blows up with a 586-class kernel03:33
KamionI'm not saying 486 should continue to be the default, but I do think it needs to be possible somehow03:34
Kamionmaybe we should make 386 an option on the install CD but not the default, and not ship the headers for it03:34
HobbseeKamion: ah, ouch.  right.03:34
Kamionnote that the installer itself uses the -386 kernel and modules, so you could end up in a situation where you could install but not boot into the resulting system, if you were very unlucky ...03:35
Hobbseeright.03:35
Hobbseeheh.  that sounds like our car licencing.03:35
KamionHobbsee: a further problem is that 486-class systems tend not to have enough hardware to deal with the more advanced installation methods03:35
Kamionthey often don't have PXE-capable network cards, they very likely don't have DVD drives, etc.03:35
HobbseeKamion: gotcha, fair enough.  stupid question number3 is why ship the 586 class kernel at all, but you dont have to answer that if you dont feel like03:36
HrdwrBoB486 class systems are lucky to have an IDE CDROM03:36
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Kamionsorry, I'm conflating 386 and 486 all over the place here, which is because our C++ libraries require 486 anyway so 386 is basically dead in the water03:36
KamionHobbsee: we get a lot of complaints from optimisation-lovers if we don't :-)03:36
HobbseeKamion: point.03:36
robertj_HrdwrBoB: I don't know about lucky03:36
Kamionit apparently is a bit of a speed gain03:36
robertj_HrdwrBoB: I'd say most 486s had CDRoms03:36
robertj_HrdwrBoB: the DX/66 had a very long life03:37
HobbseeKamion: i thought the straight dope thread on ubuntu-devel had proved that that wasnt the case.03:37
KamionI think Ben profiled the various options, hence the newly-cut-down number of kernel targets we're building03:37
HrdwrBoBrobertj_: I know of nobody who uses a 486 whatsoever, infact I'm pretty sure most charities will bin them now03:37
KamionHobbsee: I'm way behind on ubuntu-devel. I don't think *all* the targets we used to build were necessary ...03:37
robertj_HrdwrBoB: oh no, i think its silly to support 48603:37
KamionHrdwrBoB: you know mdz, right? :-)03:38
robertj_HrdwrBoB: just saying, don't down the 486 :)03:38
HobbseeKamion: right03:38
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KamionHrdwrBoB: IIRC he has a fairly-recently-acquired Soekris router box which has a 486 inside; it's still used in embedded systems sometimes03:38
robertj_People who are using 486s for running gateways need to do the math on energy costs03:39
Kamionsometimes one's time in replacing hardware has a cost too03:39
HrdwrBoBKamion: and if you are trying to install ubuntu on an embedded 48603:39
HrdwrBoByou probably need to rethink what you are doing :)03:39
Kamionlook, I'm not saying it's a great idea, I just don't want to render it impossible03:39
Kamionif I don't absolutely have to03:39
HrdwrBoBit should be possible03:39
HrdwrBoBbut there's no real reason it neeeds to be on a CD for thousands/millions/whatever  of people to download 03:40
desrtwhy not just use -686 and put -386 (or whatever) on a separate cd?03:40
Kamionparticularly because I'm not sure it's only 486s that require the -386 kernel; Ben said something about bits of hardware that fail when SMP alternatives are enabled, as they are in -generic, but I forget the details03:40
Kamiondesrt: we are NOT NOT NOT building a separate CD03:40
Kamioncombinatorial explosion would kill us03:40
desrtk :)03:40
desrtKamion; not really03:40
KamionHrdwrBoB: how else will they boot it, though?03:40
desrtKamion; the 386 cd would be server-only03:40
Kamiondesrt: you've just described one use case for an extra CD. There are lots. I say no to them all, so far.03:41
HrdwrBoBKamion: on what hardware?03:41
KamionHrdwrBoB: <Kamion> ... but I forget the details03:41
Kamionask Ben03:41
HrdwrBoBif we're talking about embedded machines, you're up to a higher class of user03:41
Kamionnot embedded AFAIK, but ASK BEN03:41
HrdwrBoBok03:41
KamionI suppose there's the netboot mini.iso03:42
KamionI could advertise that for 486 users03:42
Kamionstill worried about the "install with one kernel and boot with another" though - I think that will bring us a lot of subtle bugs03:42
robertj_Isn't there a mubuntu that should be responsible for hardware thats too low-overhead for normal ubuntu?03:42
Kamionrobertj_: in theory, but not in practice03:42
KamionI do not like delegating to semi-vapourware03:43
robertj_Kamion: then I say let them theoretically get it working, or wait for some company to offer Canonical cash to fix it03:43
HrdwrBoBI agree, I've had many problems relating slightly different versions03:43
Kamionand I say let's not break stuff that works until we have a good solution03:43
HrdwrBoBespecially relating to alternative storage methods03:43
HrdwrBoBraid cards, USB storage, etc03:43
Kamionrobertj_: no company would offer Canonical cash to fix something that we just deliberately broke03:44
Kamionbe realistic :)03:44
robertj_Kamion: also, no company is going to put a 486 on a board & want to run Ubuntu :)03:44
Kamionsigh. off to bed.03:44
robertj_g'night03:44
jdubyay, my laptop shipped03:45
mneptokjdub: but ... to *you*?03:45
KamionI'm going to ask Ben to consider producing i386 -generic udebs so that we have more options to play with here03:47
robertj_jdub: new lappy?03:47
jdubhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4310115400.html03:47
Chipzzhi jdub03:48
jdub"Simply RISC's free, open "S1" core can run Ubuntu Linux, and targets embedded devices such as PDAs, set-top boxes, and digital cameras, the company says."03:48
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jdububuntu noted in press release as evidence of usefulness - check!03:49
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administratorhello all i was wondering how do i go about generating a livecd from seeds04:00
Hobbseehey Keybuk 04:02
Hobbseegah.  autosyncer for universe isnt on, is it?04:03
crimsunnot that I'm aware. We've been filing sync requests for source packages that lack Ubuntu deltas.04:04
administratorhmmm interesting04:04
Hobbseecrimsun: right.04:05
administratorwell bbsot04:09
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pixelmonkeya quick question about launchpad.  Other than just adding to the description of an existing bug, is there any way for me to CONFIRM it, like in bugzilla?04:14
crimsunchange the Status to Confirmed.04:16
administratorso i guess not04:33
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administratorwell can someone point me to documentation? i do not think i want to try this with debian cd creation tools04:34
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desrtdoes troy sobotka irc?04:57
crimsunmaybe in #ubuntu-artwork? 04:58
desrtcheck.04:59
=== desrt has some comments about the new artwork :p
jsgotangcoi should update later and see too heh05:00
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desrtjsgotangco; http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/edgy-gdm-theme.png05:03
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jsgotangcoits a bit off05:12
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desrtjsgotangco; crazytalk05:13
TheMusoArtwork shmartwork! :p05:13
jsgotangcobrb05:18
jduboh man05:18
desrtjdub; your impression?05:20
jdub*bzzt*05:20
desrtuh oh05:20
jdubto be frank :)05:20
desrtcan you be a bit more precise?05:20
jdubi think the traditional gdm theme has been a very strong, high quality brand image for ubuntu05:21
jdubso there's a risk in changing that at all05:21
Keybukwhat's the traditional gdm theme?05:21
desrtthe one that this one replaces05:21
Keybukthey're both just arty wish wash, no?05:21
jdubcertainly it can do with refinement, particularly as the technology improves05:21
Keybukthough Jane is going to go mental when she sees that logo05:21
Keybukand quote spacing guidelines and stuff05:21
desrtKeybuk; if my system reaches maximum mount count and does a fsck then upstart does some very bad things05:22
jdubbut it's a *very* strong image05:22
Keybukdesrt: define bad05:22
desrtKeybuk; it drops me down to a single-user shell05:22
jdubi think the one above doesn't have the same quality05:22
Keybukjdub: is it?  I always thought the old one was crap05:22
desrtKeybuk; with fsck running in the background (but it doesn't mention that fact)05:22
jdubplus it's 'just brown'05:22
Keybukadmittedly, I don't like the new one either05:22
Keybukdesrt: does it give you a message with the shell?05:22
jdubKeybuk: the traditional one is extremely recognisable, it's a *very* strong image05:22
desrtya.  something about "there are no processes running so i will give you a shell" or something05:22
jdubKeybuk: it's also minimal and 'quality'05:23
Keybukjdub: I disagree, but anyhoo05:23
desrtKeybuk; jdub is a hater05:23
Keybukthey change the windows login screen every release05:24
KeybukI really don't think people care05:24
jdubdesrt: i'm stating quite the opposite, actually05:24
Keybukdesrt: that's odd05:24
jdubKeybuk: "every windows release" comes vastly less often than every ubuntu release05:24
jdubconsistency in branding, particularly for the 'front door' is important05:24
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desrtjdub; general disclaimer is that i define anyone who doesn't like exactly what i like as a hater :p05:24
jduband that screen, i believe, is actually a very strong brand image05:24
Keybukjdub: you need to preach this to the art team :p05:25
jdubi know05:25
Keybukdesrt: it only gives you that message if the system fell flat on its face05:25
desrtjdub; i think that this new screen is sufficiently similar looking to the old one that the brand isn't lost for those who don't really pay attention05:25
jdubdesrt: it's not05:25
desrtjdub; and for those who do pay attention they know that it's still the same thing....05:25
jdubno dude, the glow was *really* important05:26
jdubthink about it05:26
jdubwhen you see rooms of ubuntu machines05:26
jdubin photos on flickr05:26
desrtKeybuk; lemme flag my fs for fsck on reboot and give it a go05:26
jdubdo you see rooms of desktops?05:26
jdub*NO*05:26
jdubyou see rooms of *login screens*05:26
jdubthe bright, cheery, everyone-knows-it, ubuntu login screen05:26
desrtgreat.  so this will let us collect version statistics from images of rollouts :)05:26
Keybukjdub: you forgot to subscribe to the Quotes page before you left05:27
Keybukyou anti-traditionalist, you05:27
Burgundaviajdub: who has final say over the artwork?05:27
mjg59Mark05:27
BurgundaviaI agree on the login screen05:27
jdub(i was asked for my opinion here, at some stage i will mail the art team)05:28
trappistwhat's the deal with compiz-kde?  the compiz source package no longer builds it, but there's a package on the repos that's uninstallable due to deps on an older compiz.05:28
trappistor maybe I should ask in #ubuntu-motu?05:29
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Keybukdesrt: if you can be at that shell and on IRC, that'd be great05:31
desrtKeybuk; it's not doing it now :p05:31
desrt(of course)05:32
Keybuklol05:32
desrtoh nice.  fsck finished and bad stuff happened05:32
desrtfilesystem didn't get remounted readwrite....05:32
desrt(therefore X failed to start)05:32
Keybukthe one I've usually seen is that sulogin fails, so it just reboots after fsck :p05:32
TheMusoOk, that is a big gdm artwork change.05:33
desrti wonder if maybe it's just an error in the fsck script05:33
desrtKeybuk; ok... the upgrade of usplash/initramfs/upstart or the combination thereof that i just did obviously corrected the problem05:37
desrtKeybuk; but the system is now (reproducably) totally screwed if you ^C a fsck05:37
Keybukoh, you upgraded upstart?05:37
desrtyou don't get a readwrite remount05:38
administratorwell goodday everyone05:38
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Keybukdesrt: err, it's always been screwed if you ^C a fsck05:40
Keybuksysvinit doesn't handle that well either05:40
desrtKeybuk; i used to be able to do that and it would just delay the fsck until next time and boot normally05:41
Keybukoh?05:41
Keybuknot sure why upstart would change that05:41
desrtdefinitely.05:41
Keybukyou're still in the same checkroot.sh, run by the same /etc/init.d/rc, etc.05:41
desrtrun by the sysv compatibility script...05:42
Keybukthe sysv compatibility script being "exec /etc/init.d/rcS" :p05:42
desrtmaybe signals are handled slightly differently05:42
Keybuknot sure why they would be05:42
desrtit's certainly not a big deal05:43
Keybuksysvinit gives it /dev/console and TIOCTTY05:43
Keybukso does upstart05:43
Keybukare you sure that fsck just isn't failing for other reasons?05:43
desrti ran fsck earlier tonight05:43
desrtit just ran again because i set my maximal mount count to 105:43
desrt(and hit ^c quite early)05:43
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Keybukheh @ upstart06:02
Keybukjust worked out why control-alt-delete doesn't work06:02
Keybukheh06:02
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desrtholy CRAP apt-get autoremove06:10
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desrthow does one gain privs to change priority of bugs from untriaged?06:31
desrtor can this only be done my package maintainers?06:31
Lathiatum you need magic bug powerz06:33
Lathiatnot sure how you request that actually06:33
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Lathiatif youve got a specified bug in mind right now i could change it for you06:34
Burgundaviadesrt: you need to be -qa06:34
desrta segfault inside malloc() can mean 1 of 2 possible things06:34
Burgundaviawhich is only about 5 people06:34
desrti'm really hoping it the easy one06:34
LathiatBurgundavia: is the motu group also given that ability?06:35
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Lathiatelse i have no idea how i can do it06:35
BurgundaviaLathiat: afaik, no06:35
Lathiatpretty sure im not in -qa06:35
Lathiathrm  possibly because i usually edit bugs assigned to ubuntu-motu06:35
Lathiatthat might make sense06:35
desrtdoes anyone here actually use their computer to do stuff?06:36
=== desrt finds it amusing how a bug like "edgy's openoffice crashes whenever you try to save" can remain relatively undiscovered :)
Burgundaviadesrt: it is known06:37
jdubit's been around since warty ;)06:37
desrteither i'm seeing a dup or it's reasonably unknown :)06:38
Burgundaviano, this is every time, as opposed to once in 1006:38
desrtbug 5849206:38
UbugtuMalone bug 58492 in openoffice.org-amd64 "Openoffice.org crashes on "Save"" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5849206:38
desrt((sort of funny how "reported bug" != "known bug" anymore))06:39
Burgundaviathere is a dup somewhere06:40
BurgundaviaLP has no facility for marking common dups06:40
desrtopen a bug about it against malone06:41
Burgundaviaany ephy users around?06:41
desrtand i'll open one too06:41
desrtthe irony will be fantastic06:41
Lathiathaha06:41
desrtme.06:41
desrtwhat's the official way to set CFLAGS for a debuild?06:42
Burgundaviahttp://www.theonion.com/content/node/52332 <-- do you get the "unsubmitted form elements" dialog on this page when you try and close it?06:42
desrti do.06:42
Burgundaviaappears to be: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34578606:43
UbugtuGnome bug 345786 in General "the "unsubmitted changes to form elements" warning should recognize when a form was autofilled, and not warn in that case." [Enhancement,New]  06:43
desrti get that error on googlemaps too06:43
desrtalthough there it makes a little bit of sense06:43
Burgundaviaright06:44
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Amaranthdamn, looks like willowng got caught in binary NEW07:01
Amaranthdang willowng-config-kde07:01
desrtoh fuck me07:03
desrtopenoffice is linked against both libdbus-1.so.3 and libdbus-1.so.207:03
Amaranthdesrt: I'd rather not, you haven't given me anything.07:03
Amaranth*shudder*07:03
Burgundaviadesrt: that might be an issue?07:03
desrt"heh"07:03
Burgundaviacool, I just doubled the number of bugs on moodle!07:05
AmaranthBurgundavia: Now it has 2 bugs?07:07
Burgundavia407:07
Amaranthheh07:07
Burgundavia3 of them are "fails to install correctly"07:08
Burgundaviawhich means more bugs have not yet come in because nobody can get teh bloody thing installed07:08
Burgundaviajust to clarify, debian policy states that apt-get install blah should make blah just work?07:09
Burgundaviait should prompt you when it needs to, etc?07:09
AmaranthNope07:09
desrti wonder if this bug would be less of a problem if elf didn't have a flat namespace07:10
Burgundaviaright07:10
AmaranthI know apt-file used to get installed non-functional because it could use wget or curl to download with but only had them as Recommends07:10
Burgundaviaright, but that is a bug07:10
Amaranthnot according to people i asked07:10
Amaranthi thought so to07:10
Amaranth+o07:11
Burgundaviais zope an entire webserver?07:11
Burgundaviainstalling schooltool and it is not pulling in apache07:11
Amaranthyeah07:11
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Amaranthmost python webapps either have their own webserver or include one of the python webservers in their tree07:12
Amaranthmod_python appears to be unliked07:12
jdublike many python web projects, it includes a web serving component07:12
jdubwhich is often used behind apache07:12
Amaranththey tell you to use mod_proxy to make it play nice with apache07:12
jdubAmaranth: apache modules are teh suck07:12
jdubAmaranth: web applications are teh rock!07:13
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Amaranthheh07:13
desrtjdub; there are various hacks to get suexec ability for php07:13
jdubphp is still a bit dark ages07:13
Amaranthyeah07:14
jdubdesrt: still cgi07:14
desrtyou can do it even with modphp from what i understand07:14
jdubdesrt: i prefer to run web apps as *apps*07:14
Amaranthif it wasn't CGI you could make /home noexec and solve lots of problems07:14
desrto.07:14
Burgundaviaisn't this a massive security hole? "By default a user 'manager' with password 'schooltool' is created with full07:14
Burgundaviaaccess and modification privileges.07:14
Burgundavia"07:14
jdubdesrt: lgo is moin as an app behind mod_proxy07:15
AmaranthBurgundavia: But is the server open to outside access?07:15
Amaranth(that's also a common thing for webapps)07:15
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Burgundaviadesrt: you poor poor bastard07:16
desrtjdub; that's neat.07:16
BurgundaviaAmaranth: currently no, but it could very easily be07:16
desrt215MB :(07:16
Amaranthdesrt: you touched it last, you're the new maintainer ;)07:17
Amaranthwait, that's firefox07:17
Burgundaviahmm, System Tools has reappeared :(07:17
jdubdesrt: if the app dies, i've set apache to show a cool 'server down' page - much better than not getting any response at all ;)07:17
desrtjdub; what is the communication like?  normal http?07:18
jdubdesrt: yep07:18
desrtspiff07:18
jdubnormal mod_proxy07:18
desrtwhy not just run a separate php-only apache server? :)07:18
jdubto a localhost only http server07:18
jdubdesrt: lots of people do that with lighttpd07:18
desrtseems like a cool idea07:18
desrtcould even do it per-user07:18
jdubyeah, makes it much saner07:19
desrthttp-over-domain-sockets would make it hella-cool07:19
jdubquite a few enlightened hosting companies are doing things that way now07:19
jdub(those are usually the ones who've experienced running python, rails or java apps)07:19
desrtthat way you don't have to worry about allocating port numbers or having user start their http on the port of another user07:19
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desrtow.  why?07:19
jdubbecause you like it that way!07:20
desrtsure :p07:20
desrtwhy is archive SO SLOW?07:20
mneptokdesrt: php-fcgi + lighty = each user's PHP processes belong only that user, and can be started and stopped independently of the daemon.07:21
mneptokvery nice07:21
desrtya...07:21
jduband you can give decent status pages07:21
desrtbut how do you deal with the port-allocation problem?07:21
mneptokmod_proxy07:21
desrtoh.  this is much better.  canadian mirror is just being slow07:22
mneptoklighty answers on 81 and apache's mod_proxy passes off to that port for things lighty should serve07:22
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desrtbut say you're a hosting company with 100 users07:22
mneptokdesrt: .ca mirror for Ubuntu or ... ?07:22
desrteach user will need a different local port number to bind to07:22
jdubdesrt: it's not usually an issue - one port per user07:22
desrtmneptok; ya.  dog slow right now07:22
jdubor site07:22
desrtjdub; right... but say my port number is 400007:23
desrtjdub; and yours is 400107:23
mneptokdesrt: that mirror is on some very sketchy hardware ATM07:23
desrtyour server goes offline07:23
desrtwhat's to stop me from starting my server on port 4001?07:23
mneptokUSherbrooke is looking to upgrade their infrastructure07:23
desrti wonder if mcmaster would get mad at me if i mirrored the archive07:23
jdubdesrt: that assumes you have access07:23
desrtjdub; good call07:23
desrtjdub; but.......07:23
jdubdesrt: but it's doable otherwise (selinux, say)07:24
desrtjdub; if you're running php, you have access07:24
desrtjdub; true.07:24
desrtunix domain sockets still seem cleaner :)07:24
jdubdesrt: why if you're running php?07:24
desrtjdub; php can execute shell commands, read/write files, etc07:24
desrtjdub; having the ability to run arbitrary php scripts as a certain user is the same as having a shell as that user07:24
mneptoknot if you chroot the individual php-fcgi process to the user's ~/ ;)07:25
desrtwhich is the whole point of moving php out of the same userid of the webserver in the first place :)07:25
jdubdesrt: "that assumes..." again :)07:25
jdubno07:25
jdubphp being an ass is the reason for doing that07:25
jduband having a more flexible hosting system07:25
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mneptoktake me, big boy.07:26
desrtjdub; is on x8607:27
desrthe has no room for register globals07:27
mneptokdon't worry, baby. it will fit.07:27
mneptok>:)07:27
desrtwe've definitely thrown the PG13 rating to the wind this evening...07:28
desrtheh07:30
desrtyou can workaround the ooo bug by symlinking libdbus-1-2 to 1-307:30
Burgundaviawe went out drinking with a Josh from SUN, who used to work on OO.o and now works on Postgres for them07:31
Burgundaviaat LWE, I should say07:31
Burgundaviahe had some choice words to say about OO.o07:31
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TreenaksBurgundavia: he prefers Postgresql, I take it? :P07:33
desrti don't think i've ever seen a package so evil that it has a ubuntu/ directory and a 2800 line debian/rules07:33
desrtok.  here's a question for people who might know07:37
desrtopenoffice links against dbus but isn't picky about a specific version07:37
desrtthen it has the shlibs thing in the depend: like for the gtk support package07:37
desrtit was last compiled on august 107:37
desrtif someone kicks off a build now will it instead link against libdbus-1-3 and cause the problem to go away?07:38
Amaranthlikely07:40
Amaranthbuild it in pbuilder (overnight, or something) and see :)07:40
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desrtis there some tutorial to set one up?07:43
Burgundaviadesrt: pbuilder? on the help wiki or the ubuntu wiki07:44
=== desrt just did man pbuilder and is guessing :)
Burgundaviadesrt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto07:45
desrti wonder if i can build an edgy base.tar.gz on my laptop then move it to my dapper pc07:47
Treenakssure07:47
desrti bet i could even just copy the edgy debootstrap script over...07:47
Treenaksit's all chrooted.. and gcc doesn't care about the kernel, only about its headers ;)07:47
Burgundaviawith pbuilder, you can easily have an edgy pbuilder on dapper07:47
Burgundaviawithout gross hacking07:48
desrtthis is WAY easier than i thought it was07:49
desrti like this a lot07:49
Burgundaviahmm,  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39282879,00.htm07:49
desrtseems vaguely useful07:53
desrtdebootstrapping is really fast.07:53
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jdubBurgundavia: make sure he puts his name on the wiki, along with proposals08:03
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sladenBurgundavia: I've followed that up already08:13
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Burgundaviasladen: sorry, context?08:16
sladenBurgundavia: 06:49 <Burgundavia> hmm,  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39282879,00.htm08:16
Burgundaviasladen: ah. And?08:16
sladenBurgundavia: no responses yet.  It's silly o'clock in everwhere except Australia :)08:17
Burgundaviaright08:17
FujitsuYup, 1620 here :P08:18
HiddenWolf8:18 AM in continental europe, hardly silly o'clock. :)08:18
FujitsuYeah, not particularly silly at all.08:19
mneptokand 09:18 in much of Africa. and central Asians are eating lunch.08:19
FujitsuSilly USians, I guess.08:19
HiddenWolfpre-coffee-o'clock, granted. :)08:19
mneptokhell, it's my midday. but then, my schedule is crazed.08:20
mneptok0220 is like noon. :/08:20
sladenFujitsu: silly Brits08:20
FujitsuMaybe.08:21
sladenFujitsu: whoever, as you mention, the people I was emailing were in the US08:22
FujitsuAnd where are you, sladen?08:23
sladenFujitsu: the home of Robin Hood.  Hiding out in Nottingham, deep in the rainforests of Nottinghamshire, Engerland08:27
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FujitsuA... ha.08:27
sidWhere can I see things that will be in Edgy? Like prelinking/initng/preload and other things like this to speed up the system.08:28
Fujitsulaunchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs08:29
sidthanks08:29
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desrtsladen; edgy08:43
sladensid: not prelinking :)08:44
desrtsladen; it's interesting to note that the result of doing a vbesave at boot and then once the X server has already loaded gives me different vbestate files08:44
desrtsladen; and that i _seem_ to get slightly better behaviour if i restore the one i saved after X has started08:44
sladendesrt: correct.  It's an attempt to snapshot the state of the video card.  In one it'sin Text-mode and the other in graphics mode08:44
desrtsladen; but either way it crashes sometimes and not others... :/08:44
desrtsladen; no.... the acpi suspend scripts change to a virtual console before vbestate save runs08:45
sladendesrt: the changing to a console seems (on the whole) to be a fairly reliable way of saving the state08:45
desrtsladen; it's true08:46
desrtsladen; but i still need a vberestore otherwise my backlight doesn't come back08:46
desrt:)08:46
sladendesrt: as if we do a save in graphics mode and the card carries on being communicated with after the save08:46
desrtsladen; point is i'm sort of screwed for ideas of what causes this08:47
desrtsladen; but if you want me to try stuff i'm more than willing08:47
desrtsladen; since it appears to affect an _awful_ lot of people :/08:47
sladendesrt: backlight;  what card is this?08:47
desrtover a dozen dups of the bug :p08:47
desrti945gm08:47
desrtooo just failed to pbuild.  now i'm upset :(08:48
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sidToo bad no one is hacking on preload, that looks like an interesting project. It tries to identify patterns in your behavior iirc, so every time you boot, if you start firefox preload will see the pattern and load the binaries and dependencies right before you start it, so it loads very fast.08:50
desrtk.  in any case this is definitely a regression since 7.0->7.108:50
sidOr if everytime you start your rss feed reader, 2 minutes later you click on a link and load your web browser. etc etc. It tries to find patterns that you do. iirc08:50
desrtbut i'm gonna go to bed now08:50
desrtsladen; probably talk to you later about this :)08:50
desrtsladen; (assuming you're still interested in fixing it)08:50
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sidWhich could be useful if you modified it for web browser downloads. ie if someone downloads a .odt file, or a .doc file. and 90% of the time when they do this, they fire up OO.o, then loading OO.o into memory before they do that would make it appear as if the applications loads very fast.08:52
desrtsid; that's actually a neat idea08:52
desrtif you pick "open this file" start preloading the app before the file is done downloading08:53
desrtnite.08:53
sidpeace08:54
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sidWho is the web master?09:14
HiddenWolfIs there no i386 daily-live today?09:20
MithrandirHiddenWolf: there's a daily every day09:22
HiddenWolfhttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20060908/ has ppc and a64 only09:22
MithrandirHiddenWolf: indeed.09:22
TreenaksHiddenWolf: i386 is too old. everyone buys amd64 now ;)09:22
HiddenWolfTreenaks: ah. my bad. :)09:23
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MithrandirHiddenWolf: it tries to pick up the wrong kernel for some reason.09:26
HiddenWolfAh, I can see how that would complicate things.09:26
Mithrandirtrying a rebuild now09:30
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MithrandirHiddenWolf: also, thanks for spotting this.09:31
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HiddenWolfMithrandir: :)09:32
dholbachgood morning09:32
Mithrandirmorning, Daniel09:32
dholbachhey Tollef09:32
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MithrandirHiddenWolf: there, fixed.09:37
HiddenWolfMithrandir: wow, talk about fast service. :)09:37
MithrandirHiddenWolf: no point in waiting, is there? ;-)09:39
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HiddenWolfMithrandir, :)09:39
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Mithrandirthere, fixed kubuntu, edubuntu and xubuntu too.09:49
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dholbachHAPPY REVU DAY!09:58
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pittiGood morning10:03
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Hobbseehey pitti!10:06
Hobbseemorning jono 10:06
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jonohey Hobbsee :)10:06
Kagouhi10:06
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dokoThe following packages where automatically installed and are no longer required:10:17
dokogdm 10:17
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Hobbseeheh10:19
Hobbseedoko: it's telling you to come over to the dark side!  :D10:19
dokoohh, that was just one of the 100 packages that were suggested ;)10:20
Hobbseedoko: what, the rest of gnome?  smart apt.10:20
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dokoThe following packages where automatically installed and are no longer required:10:22
doko  ispell linux-headers-2.6.17-6 wamerican ekiga xcursor-themes xfonts-75dpi pnm2ppa gthumb wogerman ttf-kochi-mincho libdirectfb-0.9-2410:22
doko  ttf-thai-tlwg xfonts-scalable cdparanoia libwvstreams4.2-extras ubuntu-docs thunderbird-locale-en-gb libxplc0.3.13 wvdial xsane pkg-config10:22
doko  mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb gnome-volume-manager libpt-plugins-alsa libopal-2.2.0 doc-base brltty-x11 libbtctl2 gdebi vnc-common10:22
doko  libuniconf4.2 ttf-mgopen esound ttf-gentium rhythmbox xterm gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-apps iogerman readahead ttf-indic-fonts ubuntu-sounds10:22
doko  mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de screen bc dc language-selector-common cupsys-driver-gutenprint ttf-kochi-gothic libgnutls12 libpt-plugins-v4l10:22
doko  xsane-common ttf-punjabi-fonts scim fortune-mod libgpod0 libscim8c2a ttf-lao libtasn1-2 ttf-devanagari-fonts libsdl1.2debian-alsa wswiss10:22
doko  language-selector ttf-gujarati-fonts librecode0 ttf-arabeyes hal-device-manager ttf-telugu-fonts xbitmaps hotkey-setup xvncviewer10:22
doko  libsdl1.2debian ttf-bengali-fonts gdm xfonts-base screensaver-default-images libpt-1.10.0 gok linux-headers-2.6.17-6-amd64-generic10:22
doko  gnome-spell ttf-arphic-uming bittorrent python-xml contact-lookup-applet tsclient rdesktop scim-gtk2-immodule vino gimp-help-common wngerman10:22
doko  xserver-xorg ttf-malayalam-fonts xfonts-100dpi gnome-btdownload gnome-cups-manager foomatic-db-hpijs libpt-plugins-v4l2 nautilus-sendto10:22
jameshhave you lost ubuntu-desktop?10:22
doko  ttf-tamil-fonts gimp-help-de foo2zjs diveintopython example-content hwdb-client landscape-client python-gst0.10 ingerman liboobs-1-0 slocate10:22
doko  xorg fortunes-min ttf-baekmuk gstreamer0.10-tools libgnomebt0 ttf-kannada-fonts linux-headers-amd64-generic libopenobex-1.0-010:22
doko  ttf-arphic-ukai wbritish ssh-askpass-gnome tangerine-icon-theme libwvstreams4.2-base libxp6 min12xxw ttf-oriya-fonts libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a10:22
pittiargh, the paste monster is back10:22
doko  thunderbird-locale-de firefox-gnome-support bluez-pin serpentine scim-modules-socket lftp10:22
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Hobbseeis that just outputting everything you havent specifically installed?  guess there arent enough libs there10:23
pygipitti, you have a sec? :)10:23
pittipygi: sure10:23
pygipitti, it seems libburn will work on freebsd soon, I have a working diff ^_^10:23
pitticool10:26
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pygi1246 lines diff :P10:27
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HiddenWolfKamion: ping10:35
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HiddenWolfiwj: ping10:45
HiddenWolfiwj: unping, sorry. :/10:45
HiddenWolfmvo, ping (wondering if oddness is due to command-not-found)10:48
seb128cbx33: did you open a pessulus bug with that patch?10:50
seb128"There are currently no open bugs." for the pessulus package according to launchpad10:50
mvoHiddenWolf: what odness in particualr?10:50
HiddenWolfmvo: from the livecd I tried pppoeconf on the command line (which is not on the cd) and I got: "This option is not available. Please see --help for all possible usages"10:52
cbx33seb128: I thought you wanted the patch for the gconf thing....I have repackaged pessulus.....you can check the diff here..... http://progbox.co.uk/main-additions/10:52
cbx33if you want me to extract the patch I can10:52
seb128why "repackaged pessulus", again10:53
seb128I asked the other day you didn't reply10:53
seb128you don't want that change to Ubuntu?10:53
seb128you prefer to keep repackaging it for yourself only?10:53
cbx33no10:53
cbx33sorry seb128 10:53
cbx33I'll get you the patch and raise a bug10:53
seb128you spoke about feature freeze yesterday, that was for the gconf change?10:54
cbx33no...that was for the pessulus patch10:54
seb128that's not coherent10:54
seb128you asked if I reviewed a patch and you also say you didn't send it10:54
cbx33I gave you that url a few days ago...10:55
cbx33but I will send it through in proper format to LP now10:55
cbx33I apologise for the miscommunication on my part10:55
seb128and I asked to open a bug with the patch ;)10:55
cbx33i thought you meant for gconf10:55
seb128k, no problem10:55
cbx33my apologies again10:55
cbx33sorry seb12810:55
seb128please open a pessulus bug with the patch10:55
cbx33I will do it now10:55
seb128it's better to organise the work ;)10:56
HiddenWolfmvo: http://hiddenwolf.org/files/Screenshot.png10:56
seb128thank you10:56
cbx33seb128, what do you want me to do about the gconf path file modification?10:57
seb128open a bug?10:57
cbx33ok10:58
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pittihi janimo!11:01
mvoHiddenWolf: is this on the live-cd?11:03
HiddenWolfmvo: yes11:03
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janimopitti: hi11:03
mvoHiddenWolf: can you please do: "dpkg -l command-not-found" ?11:04
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zygalogin sound is great :)11:05
HiddenWolfmvo: if I reboot to the livecd, yeah, sure. Other info you need?11:05
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zygahey mvo, sorry I had no time to fix the parser yesterday11:06
zygaI will have plenty of time during the weekend11:06
mvozyga: cool, thanks11:06
mvoHiddenWolf: but the screenshot is from the live-cd? I don't think we have command-not-found installed there, so I doubt it is the reason for the problem11:07
mvoHiddenWolf: but the screenshot looks very odd11:07
HiddenWolfmvo: screenshot is from today's daily-live11:08
zygamvo: huh?11:08
zygaany problems I should know of?11:08
cbx33seb128: please find bug with attached patch11:09
mvozyga:  http://hiddenwolf.org/files/Screenshot.png 11:09
mvozyga: but I don't think we install command-not-found on the live-cd yet11:10
zygathat's not the output of cnf11:10
zygaI don11:10
zygaI don't have an idea what prints that kind of messages11:10
HiddenWolfFor the record, pppoeconf should not be found, or throw an error about needing root if it was installed.11:11
cbx33seb128: I'll brb11:12
seb128cbx33: k, I'm looking at the patch right now11:12
HiddenWolfmvo: zyga, I'm hesitant to file a bug without even knowing the correct package. Do you have any suggestions?11:13
zygaHiddenWolf: hmm, grep sudo for that message, if not found then file it on pppoeconf11:14
mvoHiddenWolf: I update the daily desktop cd now and see if I can reproduce it11:14
cbx33seb128: I'm so sorry about the mix up11:15
cbx33;)11:15
cbx33brb11:15
seb128iwj: you wanted to do some changes to nautilus before the upload or just wanted the .dsc/.diff.gz to have a look? Said differently, should I upload the update11:15
seb128cbx33: np11:15
HiddenWolfmvo: ok, I'll wait for you, considering I have no network on livecds. :)11:15
pittimvo: mmmm, 'Enable sharing' :)11:16
pittimvo: works well here11:16
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pittimvo: except for some bug in enable_sharing, but that's my fault11:18
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pittidoko, seb128: FWIW, OO.o file dialog works just fine on latest edgy11:20
pitti(for me)11:20
dokopitti, was this the machine, where you did upgrade to the 2.0.4 packages?11:21
zygaguys, where did the smp kernels go?11:21
zygaI've got an uniprocessor kernel now11:22
pittidoko: oh, I'm on 2.0.3-4ubuntu2-1 (amd64 latest edgy)11:22
janimopitti: do you know if the default printer setting is better set in /etc/cups/printers.conf or in ~/.cups/lpoptions? RH's tool uses the former we have the latter11:22
janimothey are not the same format so they do not cascade as usual /etc ~/ configs11:23
zygamvo: did you get my message about g-a-i?11:24
mvozyga: no?11:25
mvozyga: what is it about?11:25
pittijanimo: my feeling is that every user should have her own11:26
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Tonio_hi everyone11:28
HiddenWolfpitti: depends on the setup. I can image that if there is only one printer, everyone would use the same settings, considering there is only one way the thing can be properly configured.11:28
pittiHiddenWolf: how so?11:29
pittiHiddenWolf: some people might want 'draft' b/w by default, some high quality with colors11:29
pittiHiddenWolf: and different paper formats, etc.11:29
pittiHiddenWolf: also, different people might have different default printers11:29
Tonio_pitti: we would like digikam to get into main, and we wrote a maininclusionreport for this, but I just saw it still has 2 universe deps, should we write 2 other maininclusionreports or can all be done in the same page to make it more simple ?11:29
HiddenWolfpitti: right. :)11:30
pittiTonio_: please write one MIR for each source package11:30
Tonio_pitti: thanks for the info11:30
pittino problem11:30
Tonio_pitti: may I ping you concerning this when it's done ?11:30
pittiTonio_: I'll get notified by email11:31
pittibut sure, you can ping me, too11:31
Tonio_ah ! perfect, thanks :)11:31
HiddenWolfpitti: when will 1.2.3 be in? I was planning to file some bugs on cups later. (have to use us-legal papersize on a4 paper to avoid having parts fall off the page on dapper)11:31
pittiHiddenWolf: I'm just building the final source package11:31
pittithus, in a few hours11:31
HiddenWolfcheers.11:32
KamionHiddenWolf: yes?11:32
HiddenWolfKamion: two things, I just filed a bug about an option for pppoeconf network configuration in ubiquity, and today's daily showed an incorrect language list that you might want to look into: http://hiddenwolf.org/files/Screenshot.png (note missing fonts and "No Localization")11:34
KamionHiddenWolf: you're free to file wishlists of course, but it's very low down the list11:35
giftnudelHiddenWolf, Kamion: the missing font was with knot-2 also11:35
giftnudeliirc11:35
KamionHiddenWolf: I'm aware of the missing font11:35
giftnudelok11:35
Kamionit's just for Dzongkha IIRC11:35
KamionHiddenWolf: "No localization" is sort of deliberate, although maybe should be sorted to the bottom11:35
Kamionthere clearly ought to be an option to install in the C locale11:36
HiddenWolfIt just looks odd this way.11:36
giftnudelKamion: it should be first I think11:36
pitti'Theme incompatible with usplash_bogl' -- hmm11:36
Kamiongiftnudel: I can see your argument, but I think with ubiquity's target audience it should be last11:37
giftnudelok11:38
giftnudelKamion: it doesn't matter anyway, the people that want it will look for it11:38
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cbx33why when I apt-get upgrade are some files kept back11:46
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cbx33mornin sabdfl 11:47
cbx33some great feedback on the sounds ;)11:47
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pygicbx33, ;)11:49
pygicbx33, I should get a cable so we can record real music :)11:49
HiddenWolfcbx33: yeah, they rock, but are a bit long-ish. :)11:49
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pygiHiddenWolf, ;)11:50
Hobbseehey sabdfl 11:50
cbx33HiddenWolf: some other people have said that too11:50
cbx33damn you guys making gnome start quicker :p11:50
iwjseb128: I wanted it for my testing.  So, I built it, and ran it, and it worked as I hoped.  There are no more changes needed from me.11:50
pygicbx33, lol :)11:50
seb128iwj: ok, thank you11:50
HiddenWolfcbx33: well, they're exactly long enough for the livecd here. :)11:51
cbx33seb128: did the patch seem ok?11:51
seb128cbx33: not really11:51
cbx33oh ok11:51
cbx33HiddenWolf: that's cool seeing as most people first impression will be of the live cd11:51
seb128cbx33: I talked with vuntz who think you should create a new class for using gconftool instead of mixing that in the middle of the existing one11:52
seb128cbx33: is that something that would be needed for edgy?11:52
cbx33ah11:52
cbx33seb128: Ideally yes....11:52
cbx33SCP has just gotten the pessulus integration as per the spec11:52
seb128what SCP is BTW?11:53
cbx33Student Control Panel11:53
seb128I don't know about it neither the spec11:53
cbx33brb11:53
pygiseaLne, SCP rocks :)11:54
pygiseb128, *11:54
seb128pygi: ?11:54
seb128ah11:54
pygiwhat? :)11:54
cbx33seb128: did you want a whole new class, or just seperate functions within the gconfapplier class?11:55
seb128pygi: I didn't get what you wanted by saying "*" first :p11:55
seb128cbx33: ask vuntz ;)11:55
cbx33ok...11:55
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vuntzseb128: can the patch be integrated after feature freeze?12:01
vuntzseb128: if it's not possible, I believe it's good to integrate it now (since it works and doesn't affect standard desktops12:02
vuntzthen cbx33 can fix the issues in the next few weeks12:02
cbx33I surely will12:02
cbx33can we integrate now...and still fix after12:02
cbx33so I can ask peopel tobeta test?12:02
seb128vuntz: yeah, what I thought to12:03
seb128too12:03
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=== pitti kicks the autofuck tools
pitti*** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60.12:06
pitti*** Scribus requires autoconf 2.53 or newer12:06
pittiI learned in school that 2.60 > 2.5312:07
lifelessahahahaha12:07
lifelessthats not autoconf, its a fucked macro in scribus, almost for sure12:07
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pittilifeless: sure, I just love to bitch about autotools12:07
lifeless:)12:07
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pygipitti, lol :)12:11
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Hobbseeugh, that.12:12
Hobbseeheh12:13
pygiHobbsee, what? :)12:13
Hobbseepygi: pitti's comment12:14
pygiah well :)12:14
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Tonio_pitti: hehe, that's very common with kde packages, and the problem is generally in admin/cvs.sh12:17
pittiTonio_: I already fixed cvs.sh12:17
HobbseeTonio_: that's what i thought.  read the error again.12:17
pittiTonio_: it's still complaining12:17
Tonio_pitti: just export AUTOCONF=autoconf12:17
Tonio_isn't that working ?12:17
Riddellpitti: it needs two lines updated, for autoconf and autoheader12:18
pittiTonio_: not if I'm reading admin/detect-autoconf.sh correctly, but let me try12:18
Tonio_this generally does the trick for me12:18
Riddellpitti: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff12:18
pittiRiddell: aah, right, that's it12:18
pittithanks12:19
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ograhmm, where do 30 MB on my i386 CD come from ?12:30
seb128pitti: how soon will we hade ddeb?12:32
Hobbseeogra: i ate some of the packages.  sorry about that :P12:32
ograHobbsee, if you ate them they would have disappeared ... unless my logic is wrong :)12:33
Kamionpitti: not at all, thanks12:33
Hobbseeogra: argh.  oops.12:33
Hobbseeogra: your logic is definetly wrong, yes :P12:33
ograbut my (i386 only) CD grew by 30M12:33
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seb128pitti: you dropped cups dbg package so you must have an idea, no? ;)12:34
Kamionmjg59: console-tools 1:0.2.3dbs-62ubuntu6 fixes the VT switch in console-screen.sh/setupcon, which I understand made life awkward for usplash12:34
pittiseb128: next week, I hope12:34
seb128pitti: said differently, should be drop dbg packages for GNOME too now?12:34
seb128cool12:34
pittiseb128: no, that would be too hasty; I just wanted to avoid going through NEW12:34
seb128ok12:34
pittiseb128: and cups generally doesn't crash often, it just doesn't work most of the time :)12:35
seb128right ;)12:35
pittiseb128: (i. e. most of the time when it doesn't work, it's not due to a crash)12:35
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Nermmorning12:39
Nermis there a nice repo or something for getting gnome 2.16 on dapper ?12:39
seb128Nerm: edgy12:39
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Nermah.. hmm..12:40
seb128Nerm: you can't get stable and new crack at the same time12:40
Nermyes this is true - it's a work machine though so it needs to be reasonably stable... is edgy.. usable ?12:40
HobbseeNerm: no.  wait a fwe months12:40
Nermok :)12:40
pygiHobbsee, few months, lol :)12:40
seb128Nerm: I would say it's ok for daily use12:41
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Nermalseb128: I'll wait - nothing I really need in gnome 2.16 12:41
seb128ok12:41
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seb128ogra, cbx33: I've just uploaded pessulus with that patch so it can get testing, feel free to make the patch better anyway ;)12:47
ograyay \o/12:48
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jsgotangcoyay12:48
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ograso it looks like we really could get student control panel in edubuntu edgy :))))12:49
ograhey sabdfl 12:49
seb128ogra: cool12:49
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cbx33thanks you so much seb128 12:51
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seb128np12:51
seb128thank you for the work on that ;)12:51
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RiddellKamion: should I be worried if kubuntu/dvd can't install xorg in the daily CD checks?12:57
KamionRiddell: you should at least investigate to find out why01:00
Kamionmight just be out-of-date binaries though01:01
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jordiwhiprush: nice post :)01:05
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coyctecmhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/2958401:14
UbugtuMalone bug 29584 in metacity "False reports of "Window not responding" error" [Medium,Needs info]  01:14
coyctecmany progress with that?01:14
coyctecmit happens amd64 nut not with x86 box01:14
coyctecmdapper+latest updates01:15
HiddenWolfcoyctecm: if there was any progress, it'd be on the bug report01:15
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gomekAnyone here have much experience with customizing the ubuntu install cds?  (Stupid question, I know, but...)01:25
gomekI think a better question to ask would be whether anyone is awake!01:25
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gomekWould the other person be "administrator"?01:26
pygigomek, !!! 01:26
pygigomek, use Reconstructor for live cds, and this is not the right channel :)01:26
gomekWhich channel would be the correct one?01:26
coyctecmHiddenWolf: yes i could try to fix it, thought i have no clue what to look01:26
gomekYou greet me as if you know me, pygi!  How welcoming.  ^_^01:26
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mneptok#teach-me-distro-creation01:27
mneptok:P01:27
gomekbah, you made me actually join that channel01:27
pygigomek, lol, just a sec pls :)01:27
gomekthanks much pygi01:28
pygigomek, http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=101:28
pygiotherwise #ubuntu :)01:28
whiprushthanks jordi 01:28
pygigomek, you have docs there also on how to use it :)01:28
gomekah.  my problem, though, is in completely stripping gnome from ubuntu.01:28
gomekfrom that webpage: Reconstructor does not create separate distros.01:29
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Hobbseeinfinity: ping?01:29
pygigomek, you can remove ubuntu-desktop package01:29
pygigomek, page lies :)01:30
gomekthat's only a metapackage01:30
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pygigomek, well, and all it's deps :P01:30
gomekcould i remove, like, everything, then install ubuntu-base?01:30
HiddenWolfgomek: try something like debfoster01:31
pygigomek, probably yes, but #ubuntu pls :)01:31
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gomekalright, i'll try #ubuntu, but what if they send me back to #ubuntu-devel?  haha01:31
coyctecmno they won't01:32
gomekalright, thanks for the help, then.  ^^01:32
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Hobbseemvo: have you seen bug 59311?  there's a fix there, whenever you feel like implementing it01:54
UbugtuMalone bug 59311 in update-manager "update-manager crashes when /var/log/dist-upgrade doesn't exist" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5931101:54
mvoHobbsee: thanks, I'm a bit swamped currently, but I will get to it today01:54
Hobbseemvo: cool.  okay.  did you have other fixes to make to update-manager, or just that one?01:55
mvoHobbsee: the fix needs to be done in the dist-uprader I presume, that one uploaded seperately to a special target. otherwise I would be fine with you having a look01:55
Hobbseemvo: gotcha, okay.01:56
mvobut thanks for offering your help!01:56
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Hobbseei was going to give it a shot01:56
Hobbseebefore i go and rant at a couple of people.01:56
HiddenWolfmvo: did you check the livecd?01:58
Hobbseemake that 3 people.01:59
Hobbseethe people-Hobbsee-will-rant-at list is growing!02:00
pygiHobbsee, ble =)02:00
Hobbsee:P02:00
slomoHobbsee: oh, i hope i'm not on that list? ;)02:01
Hobbseeslomo: not currently :)02:01
Hobbseeslomo: want me to find something?02:01
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zygamvo: ping02:21
mvohello zyga02:23
mvoHiddenWolf: not yet02:23
mvoiwj: gnome-app-install should be fixed, I would appreciate if you could check that it works for you too02:23
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zygamvo: is there any project to upgrade the format of .deb packages?02:25
mvozyga: upgrade as in ? 02:28
zygamvo: such as improved binary format for various reasons02:29
mvozyga: like what? new compression methods? something else than ar?02:30
zygamvo: yeah something like that02:30
zygamvo: more extensibility perhaps02:30
zygaany project that aims to develop deb+1 is fine with me :)02:31
wasabi_I don't particularily see anything wrong with teh current packages.02:31
wasabi_Obvioulsy I'd like to see new FEATURES, such as file class tags.02:31
zygawasabi_: they are fine but it's hard to add anything and they have some drawbacks like random access or even efficient file listing02:31
zyga(actually I'd love to see the death of 99% of postinst prerm and such but that is a major change and would require debian blessing)02:32
wasabi_I like the extensibility being in scripts.02:32
zygaonly 1% of packages _really_ need those scripts and they are a pain in our collective ass02:32
wasabi_It means we don't need a new package format for every minor change.02:32
zygawasabi_: scripts are not declarative, we mostly use them for declarative purposes which sucks badly02:33
zygawasabi_: I do not propose to REMOVE them, just limit the real need for them02:33
zygaall crucial packages probably need them :)02:33
zygawasabi_: I for one would welcome all info, man, and other regstered by a wrapper around dpkg02:37
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zygathis is a good thing actually as the packages are more compatible and more roboust (can be easily validated)02:37
mneptokscrew it, let's go to .rpm02:38
pygilol02:39
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zygamneptok: rpm suffers from the same issues :P02:39
pygilet's not :)02:39
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zygamneptok: I know you were not serious ;-)02:39
mneptokand, apparently, i didn't. so here it is. </sarcasm>02:39
mneptokzyga: my reputation as a complete loon makes it hard for me tell when people know i'm joking :)02:40
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gnomefreakwho is best person to speak to about apt?02:43
pittignomefreak: mvo 02:44
pygignomefreak, mvo ^_^02:44
gnomefreakok ty02:44
pygignomefreak, #synaptic02:44
jdongwho's the best person to annoy in the interest of seeking revenge for this application crash report dialog that keeps smacking me in the face? ;)02:45
jdongseriously, that's some art of annoyance :)02:45
pygijdong, I forgot who do we bug about all the bugs this week :)02:45
gnomefreakjdong: :) fix whats crashing02:45
jdongI've got a better fix02:46
elmois there some way to recursively flatten the depends of a a package?02:46
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gnomefreakut oh02:46
StevenKelmo: Doesn't germinate do that?02:46
StevenKelmo: Or are you talking in a general case?02:46
elmoStevenK: general case - and I also didn't think germinate did flatten it all the way down02:47
elmobut maybe I'm wrong - it's been a while02:47
StevenKelmo: I can't think of anything in a general case.02:48
pittielmo: oh, the depends, not the rdepends---doesn't apt-cache dotty do that?02:49
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pittielmo: also, apt-rdepends' description seems to indicate that it can do forward dependencies, too02:50
elmopitti: ah, hmm, thanks02:51
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xavcan you think about anything that could explain a 50% 3d performance drop in either debian or ubuntu ?02:52
jdongcrimsun: ping?02:53
xavafaik, using the same version of X, mesa, and the games I'm trying02:53
jdongxav: 50% compared to what?02:53
xavthe only difference I can think about is 686 optimization, but I'm not even sure ubuntu doesn't have it02:54
xavjdong: compared to other distrib02:54
jdongk02:54
mjg59How are you measuring performance?02:54
jdong686 optimization or cflags cannot possibly explain a 50% performance difference02:54
xavmjg59: by checking the fps right after the games start, using default settings02:55
Hobbseeinfinity: unping02:55
mjg59And which chipset is this?02:55
xavI don't need to check fps, it's so easy to feel it. using intel 855gm crap02:55
xavI don't think there is such a difference on other box, with other cards02:56
xavI'm less sure about that though02:57
xavjdong: right, I could hardly believe that02:58
jdongcould be something with the i810 drivers, or dri....02:58
jdongfunny thing is, I have a 855GM in my other laptop02:58
jdongand it feels fine in Ubuntu compared to Fedora/RHEL402:59
jdongI haven't tried any other distros02:59
xavin 3d games?02:59
jdongif you count chromium bsu as a 3d game :D02:59
jdongI'm not gonna try to run ut2004 on an 855gm02:59
xavno, the one that it can just run03:00
xavie slow but playable, just at the limit :)03:00
xaveg ppracer or flightgear03:00
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iwjmvo: Ah, thanks.  Where is the version I should be testing ?  Your bzr ?03:05
xavoh my god, I feel so stupid, I forgot one of the most important factor, and that was the reason..03:10
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ograhmm, weird ...03:13
ograi have a script that i run on ltsp clients on boot ...03:13
ograwhile true; do03:13
ogra        if [ -S /tmp/.ltspfs-socket ] ; then03:13
ogra... do something ...03:13
ogra        else03:13
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ogra                sleep 1003:14
ogra        fi03:14
ogradone03:14
mvoiwj: in the archive 03:14
ograit always dies after the second run ...03:14
mvoiwj: all the local testing was good so I did the upload03:14
ograanybod an idea ? 03:14
pittiogra: it dies in 'do something'?03:15
ograno03:15
ograit dies in sleep03:15
ograthats the weird part 03:15
StevenKogra: Can you run it with -x ?03:15
pittiogra: urgh?03:15
ogragood idea03:15
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pittiin general it's a very good idea to write all shell scripts with #!/bin/sh -e03:16
ograhmm, nothing special there ...03:17
ograi see it checking for the socket and doing the sleep03:17
ogratwice03:17
ograthen it dies03:17
pittiogra: i. e. sleep exits with != 0?03:17
StevenKpitti: That's what I'm thinking03:17
ograwell ... how could that be ? 03:18
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pittisleep is not a bash builtin at least03:18
pittiogra: s/sleep strace -f -o /tmp/sleep.trace sleep 1003:18
ograi'm using sh in the start process 03:18
pittierm,03:18
StevenKpitti: Hah03:18
pittiogra: s_sleep_strace -f -o /tmp/sleep.trace sleep 10_03:18
ograhmm 03:20
ogralooks ok03:20
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ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/sleep.trace03:22
pittiogra: ok, where *exactly* dies it?03:23
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StevenKogra: Can you throw the -x trace somewhere?03:23
iwjmvo: OK, I'll take a look, thanks.03:23
iwjBut I have to have lunch now :-).03:23
ograthats tricky03:23
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ograit doesnt die if i start it from commandline after the boot03:23
ograso a simple redirec doesnt work03:23
StevenKI've never quite figured out how to get -x to spit into a file03:24
ograright03:24
StevenKAnd re'exec'ing shell scripts can do wacky stuff03:24
ograi'll try to modify the initscript that starts it03:24
ograto redirect somewhere ...03:24
zygamvo which you is you?03:25
zygamvo: I'd like to PM you 03:25
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ograhrm 03:29
ograit doesnt die if i dont background it 03:30
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ograoriginally i call it with an & attached03:30
ograif i drop the & it runs and runs03:30
ograhow weird03:31
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popeycbx33: ping03:31
zygamvo_: ^^ ?03:31
bddebianHeya folks03:32
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cbx33pong popey 03:37
mvo_zyga: I'm this one03:37
zygamvo_: ok03:37
ograaha !03:39
ograif i run it from rc2 instead of rcS it works ....03:40
ograthe only thing that runs between these two scripts is S90console-screen.sh ...03:41
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jdongmjg59: I only get 16 colors with usplash :(... it looks very weird right now :)03:47
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zygamvo: do you see anything I wrote? I'm not sure if gaim handles renaming users right...03:52
jdongok, gnome... this isn't funny.... I'd like to change some printer settings before I print, please....03:52
Hobbseejdong: you cant.  it's called simplicity :P03:53
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jdonglol03:54
StevenKjdong: Consider yourself lucky Gnome didn't remove the Print button!03:54
jdongso I have to open up the Cups manager, change the settings, print, then change the settings back....03:54
jdongyeah, that's simple03:54
jdongthat's usability03:54
ograjdong, patches accepted ;)03:54
StevenKjdong: They want it to appear as simple as Windows.03:54
jdongogra: apt-get install kprinter works faster for me :)03:55
jdongor does gnome not let me print to stdout03:55
ograbut the prob will never get fixed that way :)03:55
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Amaranthi thought the print dialog in edgy was a lot better03:55
jdongAmaranth: that's what I was told, too03:55
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jdongAmaranth: but gedit's print dialog looks exactly the same03:55
mneptokAmaranth: yeah, it now has an actual "Screw This" button03:56
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Hobbsee:D03:56
jdongogra: wouldn't patches that add more options to the print dialog get rejected anyway? :P03:56
ogradepends on the options :P03:56
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Amaranthweird, i remember epiphany and gedit were both supposed to be using the new gtk printing stuff but they have completely different dialogs here03:56
jdongogra: I want the cups printer property page accessible from the print dialog03:57
Amaranthand i've never printed from linux/gnome before03:57
jdongogra: I'd like to print my pictures at higher than default resolution, please :)03:57
Amaranthso i have no idea which one is new :P03:57
zygaogra: did you find the SIGSEGV that happens outside of C locale? :D03:57
ograzyga, aha03:57
ograis there a bug about it ? 03:57
zygaogra: it's a bug in gettext 03:58
ograah, ok03:58
ograits evil 03:58
zygaogra: something with PRIuMAX and such macros that should be expanded by gettext03:58
zygaI didn't file a bug but I did let the upstream of dd know about that a long time ago03:58
jdongAmaranth: so, now there's two different gnome print dialogs?03:58
Amarantheither that or epiphany always had it's own dialog03:59
zyga(gettext supports those macros but there is an apparent bug :)03:59
Amaranthiirc the gtk+ dialog was supposed to be generated from your ppd file (filtered or something i'd guess)04:00
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pittislomo: renice'ing apport to +5 works wonderful04:00
pittislomo: thanks for the idea04:00
mvozyga: probably freenodes policy. I'm away for a bit04:01
mjg59jdong: You will do until there's new artowkr04:01
mvozyga: lets talk in 1h04:01
zygamvo: ok04:01
jdongmjg59: I mean, the current usplash, the gradients are all garbled colors04:01
jdongmjg59: the other laptop does smooth gradients and correct colors04:01
jdongso I'm thinking it's some sort of video mode problem?04:02
Amaranthjdong: usplash works for you? lucky04:02
mjg59Nngh.04:02
jdongAmaranth: only on one of my laptops04:02
mjg59If usplash /doesn't/ work for people, could they *please* let me know?04:02
ograusplash works totally fine on thin clients ....04:02
mjg59Since it does now in theory04:02
ograget thin clients people !04:02
Amaranthmjg59: there is a bug that i figured was similar enough04:02
Amaranthbug filed, i mean04:02
mjg59Amaranth: Which is?04:03
Amaranthit looks like usplash does something weird to make me have huge fonts then crashes04:03
pittimjg59: I just did a clean installation of today's ppc/alternate, no usplash love there04:03
mjg59What hardware is this, and what version?04:03
mjg59pitti: Yeah, sorry, PPC is known broken04:03
mjg59Fix is straightforward04:03
pittimjg59: however, it still has -1604:03
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pittitomorrow's CD images should be more recent04:04
dholbachdoko: karma-for-uploads is not implemented yet :-p04:04
Amaranthmjg59: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/5769404:04
UbugtuMalone bug 57694 in usplash "[edgy]  usplash fails to correctly restore text mode" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  04:04
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elmoI assume it's too late to do a main/universe swap?04:05
Amaranthmjg59: it's an hp pavilion dv8000t laptop with a 1440x900 native resolution screen, using usplash 0.4-2004:05
mjg59Amaranth: Ok. That's not the same problem.04:05
mjg59Amaranth: What graphics chipset? What CPU?04:05
Amaranthcore duo, nvidia geforce go 740004:06
mjg59Right04:06
mjg59I have similar hardware here04:06
mjg59What was the last version of usplash you tried?04:06
Amaranthprobably -1804:06
Amaranthwant me to try it again?04:07
iwjmvo: That gnome-app-install works fine for me, thanks.  (Modulo some messages during the postinst, which I expect you know about.)04:07
Amaranthi didn't see anything in the changelog to make me thing it would work04:07
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mjg59-18 fixed all known text mode issues04:07
Windkracht8Hello all04:08
Amaranthalright, i'll reboot04:08
Amaranthbrb04:08
Amaranthack, logout dialog won't come on04:08
jdongmjg59: so, any hints on why I only get 16 color gradients on the 256-color usplash?04:08
jdongcore duo, ati mobility radeon x140004:09
Windkracht8something I've seen, the update manager notification icon, isn't transparent04:10
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Windkracht8does anyone know where to get the icon so I can make it transparent and send it to the developers? 04:10
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Amaranthmjg59: so it no longer puts me in big text mode but i just get a regular text boot04:12
Amaranthi did see a flash of "file exists" or something before it cleared the screen04:12
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StevenKMust have been something we said04:19
Hobbseeheh04:20
Windkracht8nobody knows where the update-notifier source code is?04:20
jdongapt-get source update-notifier?04:20
jdongbzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/update-notifier/main/04:21
Windkracht8thanks04:21
jdongnp04:21
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Windkracht8seems like they all ready made it transparent04:25
Windkracht8so Windkracht8 out, by all04:28
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Kamionmjg59: oh, do you know what the powerpc problem is? I was about to start looking, having cleared out all state from my session that I'd be unhappy to lose04:39
Kamion(usplash)04:39
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ograwho does initramfs atm ? 04:51
ograinfinity, ?04:51
ograor Keybuk 04:51
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zygamvo: around?05:07
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zygamvo: last chance to be around before monday05:30
mvozyga: sorry, I'm terrible busy right now05:30
zygamvo: okay, till monday then05:30
mvohave a great weekend zyga!05:30
zygahave nice weekend everyone :)05:30
zygabye05:30
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tortoise_seb128: ping05:34
seb128tortoise_: pong, with context is better if you want to get a pong05:36
tortoise_seb128: am trying to write a patch for the gnome-at-properties-dialog in gnome-control-center.  I'm having some problems though with using dpatch-edit-patch on the package.05:38
seb128how so?05:38
dholbachsladen: what about your bcm2033-firmware upload to revu - is that still something you want to have in?05:38
tortoise_I've asked in #ubuntu-motu about this05:38
tortoise_rm -f debian/gnome-control-center.105:39
tortoise_rm -rf /tmp/dpep-ref.F24980/control-center-2.16.0/debian/build05:39
tortoise_make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop.05:39
zuldholbach: uh...wouldnt that upset broadcom?05:39
dholbachzul: i have no idea about that stuff :)05:39
zuldholbach: neither do i :)05:39
thommore importantly is it at all distributable05:40
zulthom: thats what i meant05:40
thomwell, they're two different things :-)05:40
zulyes yes05:40
seb128tortoise_: control-center doesn't use dpatch, it uses simple-patchsys05:41
seb128tortoise_: you can use cdbs-edit-patch05:41
tortoise_seb128: Also I've been trying to add some icons to the package and I get this error when building the package: 05:41
tortoise_capplets/accessibility/at-properties/at-settings.png: binary file contents changed 05:41
tortoise_Ok, thanks I'll read up on that05:42
seb128tortoise_: you can't change a .png file, the diff doesn't work on binary05:42
seb128tortoise_: you can to use uuencode if you really want to do that05:42
tortoise_seb128: Whats the proper way to add a pixmap to the package then?05:43
seb128tortoise_: uuencode05:43
tortoise_seb128: ok, thanks05:44
seb128np05:44
dholbachtortoise_: if you apt-get source ekiga you find an example for it05:44
tortoise_dholbach: thanks05:48
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KeybukKamion: ping?06:00
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desrtk.  i need feedback06:08
desrtif something fails to build inside pbuilder is it possibly my fault?06:08
desrtaside from running out of diskspace (of which i have 26GB free)06:09
dholbachdesrt: what goes wrong?06:09
dholbachdesrt: which error msg?06:09
desrtsome generic error06:09
desrtlemme pastebin it06:10
mdzseb128, dholbach: how was the meeting about bugs?06:10
desrthttp://pastebin.ca/16440506:10
dholbachmdz: oh I wanted to send the log to everybody who was there - do you want a copy too?06:11
mdzdholbach: please06:11
_ionI looked into the "usplash never comes up" problem a bit: e.g. /sbin/usplash -c -x 800 -y 600 shows the splash, but /sbin/usplash -c -x 1024 -y 768 says "screen init failed". /etc/usplash.conf seems to contain "xres=1024", "yres=768".06:11
desrtdholbach; i suppose it's within the realm of possibility that OO.o build uses more than 26GB....06:11
dholbachmdz: we're going to pimp the desktopteam wiki about different modules we have, simon agreed on creating queries for people to get easily involved and jono will help us to get it broadcasted06:11
mvomdz: good morning. what shall we do about enabling universe/multiverse? shall I try get the misssing bits done for synaptic over the weekend?06:12
dholbachdesrt: that's something that doko will be able to tell you06:12
desrtdoko; ping? :)06:12
mdzmvo: does the implementation of suggest-packages-for-filetypes require it?06:12
doko?06:12
seb128mdz: good, discussion with useful and we decided on some actions to organize teams, bring new people and what would need work first06:13
mdzdoko: peak disk space used for an oo.o build06:13
mvomdz: no, gnome-app-install handles this just fine and ian does not want to install any applications from universe by default anyway for security reasons 06:13
mdzmvo: ok, let's defer it then06:13
mvomdz: ok, thanks (and sorry for the mis-communication about it)06:13
mdzmvo: np, the ball was not in your court06:13
dholbachdesrt: util: No such file or directory -- weird. is that a typo somewhere? a wrongly substituted variable? a missing build-depends?06:14
desrtdholbach; i've made no changes to the package.  this is the one that's currently in edgy :)06:14
dholbachdesrt: HUM06:14
desrtdholbach; basically, oo.o currently has a bug where it always crashes when you try to save06:14
desrthttps://launchpad.net/bugs/5849206:15
UbugtuMalone bug 58492 in openoffice.org-amd64 "Openoffice.org crashes on "Save"" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  06:15
_ionBtw, in the initramfs, scripts/init-top/usplash prereqs "framebuffer", and _both_ mknod /dev/tty{0..8} . That causes error messages.06:15
desrtfrom my understanding of the problem it can be fixed by a rebuild06:15
seb128mdz: BTW the xchat-gnome clipboard handling should be fixed, please let me know if you still have issues with 1:0.13-0ubuntu306:15
desrtbut i want to test that theory before i go ahead and request a real build06:15
dokodesrt: I remember about 10GB, but I'm just running a du now 06:15
dokoohh, just 8, must be 10 oon powerpc06:16
mdzseb128: oh good, thanks06:16
seb128np06:16
desrtso definitely not 2606:16
desrtdoko; got any insight into that error that i pastebinned?06:16
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desrtdoko; alternatively, could you please just kick off a build of openoffice?  i'm reasonably convinced that i'm right....06:17
desrtand if i'm not then it's no worse off except for a lot of downloading :p06:17
dokodesrt: no, my build yesterday did succeed06:17
dokodesrt: see 06:17
dokodeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/$(ARCH)/06:18
dokodeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/06:18
desrtdoko; i mean an official edgy build to fix bug 06:18
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desrtbug 5849206:18
UbugtuMalone bug 58492 in openoffice.org-amd64 "Openoffice.org crashes on "Save"" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5849206:18
desrtit's probably something mental like building in en_CA.UTF-806:18
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desrtdoko; ya.  your build is linked against the proper dbus06:23
desrtdoko; please fire off a rebuild of openoffice.org on edgy, all arches...06:23
dokodesrt: no, it's not yet ready06:24
desrtdoko; it can be the exact same one that it already on the mirrors :p06:24
dokodesrt: it doesn't build with the current b-d's.06:24
desrtthat would explain why it broke for me :)06:25
desrtin any case it's no big rush, i think, since the bug has a workaround for now06:25
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KamionKeybuk: hi06:27
KeybukKamion: are you doing archive day today?  if not, I missed mine on Tuesday so am happy to do it06:27
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bddebianBums. ;-P06:28
KamionKeybuk: oh, er, I appear to have forgotten06:28
KeybukKamion: :D06:28
KamionKeybuk: I'll do a sync pass now, and you can do the rest?06:28
KeybukKamion: ok, deal06:28
Keybukyou do syncs, I'll do queue06:28
bddebian*cough*debian multimedia*cough*06:28
elmoKamion: unimportant ping about old-releases06:28
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Kamionbddebian: *cough*scared*cough*06:29
HiddenWolfmjg59: you asked people to report broken usplashes, right?06:29
sladendholbach: it was distributed in bluez for hotplug for ages in Debian main.  06:29
bddebianKamion: :)06:29
sladendholbach: I built that when we switched to udev;  but that must have been getting on for a year ago06:30
Kamionplus it's not configured in sync-source right now06:30
mjg59HiddenWolf: Yes06:30
dholbachsladen: ok, I'll archive it06:30
HiddenWolfmjg59: I don't see usplash since my upgrade an hour ago.06:30
HiddenWolfmjg59: dapper-edgy06:30
HiddenWolfone min06:31
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HiddenWolfmjg59: back, still no usplash06:34
mjg59HiddenWolf: What hardware, and what version of usplash?06:34
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HiddenWolfmjg59: nforce4 mobo, nvidia 6600gt, amd64 proc, running i386 ubuntu, usplash 0.4-2006:35
mjg59i386 Ubuntu?06:36
mjg59Ok, interesting06:36
mjg59I'll see if I can reproduce06:37
HiddenWolfmjg59: I did get a working usplash on today's daily-live, so it might be something relating to my upgrade06:37
Seveasmvo, ping06:39
mvohello Seveas06:40
Seveasmvo, hi. How smart is apt when it has to install lots of packages from several cd's at the same time? Does it ensure people don't need to juggle their disks around a lot?06:41
TreenaksSeveas: try installing Debian and see :P06:42
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SeveasTreenaks, I'd rather find out without jumping through hoops and mvo knows apt rather well so asking him is the easy way ;)06:43
TreenaksSeveas: lazy! :P06:43
Seveas(btw: it could simply be the iso creation tool that does the effort to minimize disk juggling, so installing debian wouldn't give a definite answer)06:44
mvoSeveas: yes, it should order the install so that it requires a minimum amount06:45
mvoSeveas: multiple CDs are pretty common for debian06:45
Seveasmvo, great! That just saves me a lot of work06:45
mvoSeveas: there might be bugs though :) but in general it should work well06:45
gnomefreakSeveas: stick with ubuntu only 1 disk to juggle :)06:46
Seveasgnomefreak, I'm actually working on something to create .iso images06:46
gnomefreakah06:46
Seveasand apt being smart is nice, then I don't have to be06:46
gnomefreaklol06:46
gnomefreakhow hard would it be to take installed packages and create a iso so i can install it as it06:48
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Seveasgnomefreak, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | xargs apt-get -d install --reinstall && mkisofs /var/cache/apt/archives /tmp/packages.iso 06:50
Seveas(sort of)06:50
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gnomefreakhmm if that works (will try later) i might play with that make script of it and see thank you06:51
Seveasgnomefreak, it won't work as is 06:52
_ionkamion, keybuk, mjg59, seveas: /lastlog -regex _ion.*usplash :-) Any idea why usplash refuses to use the 1024x768 resolution?06:52
Seveas_ion, -ELASTLOGFAILED06:53
_ion< _ion> I looked into the "usplash never comes up" problem a bit: e.g. /sbin/usplash -c -x 800 -y 600 shows the splash, but /sbin/usplash -c -x 1024 -y 768 says "screen init failed". /etc/usplash.conf seems to contain "xres=1024", "yres=768".06:53
_ion< _ion> Btw, in the initramfs, scripts/init-top/usplash prereqs "framebuffer", and _both_ mknod /dev/tty{0..8} . That causes error messages.06:53
Keybuk_ion: I don't keep lastlog06:54
Keybuk(and don't know anything about usplash's current resolution code)06:54
sladenKeybuk: irssi should do by deafult?06:54
Keybuksladen: I don't use irssi, and if I did, I would have modified its configuration to not keep lastlog like I do with X-Chat06:55
gnomefreaklol06:55
_ion/lastlog greps the scrollback buffer.06:55
Keybukif people want to ask me something, they should bloody well e-mail me, not leave it in the middle of a busy IRC channel and "hope I read it"06:55
Keybuk_ion: yes, I only keep ~10 lines of scrollback06:56
Keybukjust enough to fill the screen06:56
Seveas_ion, i386/ppc?06:56
Keybuk(this is the same reason I /QUIT from IRC, rather than use a proxy or screen)06:56
_ionseveas: i386.06:56
Seveasand 'screen init failed' is the only message?06:57
_ionYes.06:57
_ionI'll try to add some debug printfs to the source.06:57
_ionseveas: It might be worth mentioning, that during shutdown, usplash does become visible (using 640x400 i guess).06:58
Seveasusplash_svga.c, see which of vga_init/vga_setmode fails06:58
_ionThanks, will do.06:59
Seveashmm, usplash_down should now use /etc/usplash.conf too06:59
Keybukjdub: we killed advogato, we are bad people07:00
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desrtoh score!07:08
desrtthe fix for the openoffice bug is also the fix for the vmware player bug07:08
_ionseveas: vga_setmode (12) returns -107:09
Seveasdoes your display not support that resolution?07:09
_ionThat's what i'm using in X. :-) It would support higher resolutions as well, but they get a bit too blurry.07:09
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Seveasthen I have no clue unfortunately07:11
Seveasmjg59 has done the difficult things07:12
SeveasI merely implemented a few bling-bling enhancements07:12
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iwjKeybuk: I take it that you're responsible for the initscripts package being split off from sysvinit ?07:21
iwjPackage: initscripts07:21
iwjConflicts: mdutils, sysv-rc (<< 2.86.ds1-1.2), sysvinit (<< 2.86.ds1-12)07:21
iwjReplaces: mdutils, sysvinit (<< 2.85-12), libc6, libc6.1, libc0.1, libc0.307:21
iwjNote carefully the different version numbers in the relationships to sysvinit.07:21
iwjIs that a mistake ?07:21
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Keybukiwj: err, initscripts was split off from sysvinit about a decade ago07:30
Keybukit may, of course, be a mistake ... in which case, we inherited it from Debian07:32
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iwjKeybuk: Oh.  Hmm.  The package in dapper matches the Conflicts but not the Replaces.07:39
iwjThis is almost certainly some kind of mistake.  I think I'll not fix it by introducing a Breaks in sysvinit on Friday evening though :-).07:39
iwjI'll investigate some more in the meantime.  Thanks.07:40
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bluefoxicyCan we get --enable-compositor passed to Metacity and have it off by default?07:42
bluefoxicyerr, passed to ./configure for metacity.07:42
Amaranthbluefoxicy: No, if someone checks that box and can't use it metacity crashes and won't come back until you uncheck it.07:42
bluefoxicy"Not yet enabled by default, new compositing affects are only available when Metacity is compiled with the special --enable-compositor option."  "Once Metacity is compiled with the correct option, the effects can be turned on and off without a restart or new login, and applications can take advantage of this. For example, the GNOME terminal can now offer real transparency."07:42
AmaranthPlus from what I've seen on the forums metacity's compositor almost never works and you usually end up with a blue screen07:43
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  ah, ok, so it's brokenshit instead of sane enough to tell you it won't work07:43
bluefoxicy"The new compositing features also depend on support for the GLX_texture_from_pixmap extension, which is only available to owners of Intel i830 to i945, and ATI Radeon 7000 to 9250 chips at the present time."07:43
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Keybukomg, Google are evil08:10
KeybukI was just looking at one of those domain pages which just lists search results related to the domain08:10
Keybuksquatter/parked things08:10
Keybukand it turns out that it's Google that are doing that now08:10
Keybukhttp://www.google.com/domainpark/08:10
HiddenWolfKeybuk: yeah, well, they have to show double-digit growth, the pressure is on. :)08:12
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TreenaksKeybuk: Google doesn't filter its own adsense results from normal searches?!08:13
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dokoKamion: the ada changes are just python2.3 / python2.4 stuff.08:28
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dokodesrt: ok, I can the build failure now as well. no clue at the moment ...08:40
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=== BenC loves the new theme backgrounds
=== jdong agrees with BenC... and the sounds are pretty nice, too :)
=== _ion too </aol>
BenCyeah, the new login sound is cool08:53
jdongooh, "dawn of ubuntu"08:54
zulnot so brown..08:54
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jdongBenC: oh btw, when will lifeless and I get the dm-bbr love?08:55
SeveasKeybuk, do you have time to do an usplash upload required to get the themes in?08:56
BenCjdong: it's in the dapper upload that is just about on it's way up08:56
BenCjdong: and it will be in the next edgy upload too08:56
jdongBenC: very nice, thanks so much08:56
KeybukSeveas: not right now08:56
Seveasok, then it'll have to wait and I'll work around it in the themes08:57
jdongBenC: btw, I noticed that the mc/smt powersavings patch was reverted....08:57
BenCjdong: no problem08:57
jdongBenC: curiousity prompts me to ask about it :)08:57
jdongwhat is/was it?08:57
BenCjdong: yeah, it needed a lot more patches with it, was causing compile failures08:57
jdongoh, I see08:58
BenCand didn't have time last minute to track it down08:58
BenCthe main thing, the multi-core, is still there08:58
jdongk, cool08:58
jdongso you'll probably try again with that in a future kernel update?08:58
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SeveasTreenaks, NudeBuntu09:04
BenCjdong: I'll check and see what all is needed...it may turn out that it's just too much backporting09:06
jdongk09:06
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jdongBenC: would you expect Edgy kernels to build/work under Dapper?09:12
BenCjdong: build: no, work: yes09:12
BenCthe latest edgy kernel should install no problem on dapper09:12
jdongk, cool09:13
jdongwould you expect that situation to change through edgy's lifespan?09:13
BenCthings like lrm are a different story (because of nvidia and ati userspace stuff)09:13
BenCjdong: probably not09:13
jdongI'm trying to figure out what's the best thing to recommend to forum users running Dapper who are looking for newer kernels09:13
jdongmost of the time for hardware support reasons09:14
jdongI'd rather not send them out to kernel.org compiling their own vanillas...09:14
BenCjdong: if they aren't using ati/nvidia video, they should be ok to use edgy kernels09:14
BenCjdong: but preferably, we should backport needed hw support09:14
jdongthat'd be sweet, yes09:15
jdongbut I don't think that'll always be possible09:15
jdongi.e. what will it take to get the tifm21xx drivers compiling under 2.6.15?09:15
_ionBtw, sudo settings should default to "Defaults insults". :-)09:15
_ionI just can't help smiling when, after mistyping the password, sudo says something "rude" instead of a boring standard error. :-)09:16
BenCjdong: what is that driver for?09:16
jdongTI 5-in-1 FlashMedia cardreaders, pretty common in newer laptops09:16
BenCjdong: probably fairly easy09:17
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jdonglast time I tried, it complains about not finding some structures in the kernel... going to 2.6.16+ fixed the compile errors :-/09:17
BenCjdong: it's a lot easier to add a new driver, and update an old one, since it never worked, something is better than nothing09:17
BenCjdong: probably just some trivial name changes and such09:18
jdongah, I see09:18
jdongthen is dapper's kernel open to new features like this?09:18
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BenCyes, because it is LTS, we'll do some easy backports09:18
BenCpitti: !!09:18
pittihi BenC 09:19
BenCpitti: dapper kernel is being packetized to security.upload.ubuntu.com at this very moment09:19
BenCpitti: one quirk, the ABI actually needed bumping for i386/amd64, but since it was only one symbol change, and not something that any module used, I forced it not to09:20
jdongBenC: very cool. As far as tifm21xx, should I open up a launchpad ticket for that, or will you handle it from here? :)09:21
Kamiondoko: ada> ok, but please put that in the bug; I might not be doing the next round of syncs09:21
BenCjdong: lp, give it a keyword dapper-backport09:21
jdongBenC: k, will do. thanks for your time09:21
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TraeKeybuk, are you around bud?09:23
pittiBenC: *phew* :)09:23
TraeKeybuk, I'm on SLED 10.1  and wanted to know if there was any testing I can do to maybe help out that Ubuntu Power bug.09:24
mvomdz: regarding bug #56141, I will make all the linux-headers in the seeds recommends, ok? 09:24
UbugtuMalone bug 56141 in ubuntu-meta "Edgy ubuntu-desktop depends on linux-headers-686" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5614109:24
Traethis thing is driving me up the wall and I'm ready to go back to Ubuntu09:24
mvoBenC: when will linux-headers-i386 become linux-headers-generic?09:24
Traeit's only been 6hrs so far.09:24
Traeheh09:24
Traebut it hasn't powered off on me viewing any video09:24
Trae:(09:24
mvoBenC: thanks a lot for the vmware modules merge \o/09:24
mdzmvo: the ones in server and ship don't need to be changed, only desktop09:25
Traehttps://launchpad.net/bugs/2233609:25
UbugtuMalone bug 22336 in acpi-support "laptop overheats when performing CPU intensive tasks." [High,Confirmed]  09:25
Traethis is the bug I speak of.09:25
Trae:D09:25
mvomdz: ok, but I will change powerpc, amd64, ia64, sparc and hppa as well, right?09:25
mdzmvo: yes09:26
Kamionah, I know what I can do09:26
KamionI can promote console-setup to minimal and then go off for the weekend09:27
Kamionsuperb09:27
TraeI'd love to help out with any test you guys might be able to think of... but if noone has anthing I'm nuking this and going back to Ubuntu09:27
TraeI'm a fish out of water09:27
Traeheh09:27
TraeBeen using Ubuntu (and Debian) apt-based systems for TOO long09:27
KeybukTrae: tbh, I've no idea from this point ... you really need mjg5909:27
TraeKeybuk, ahhh :(09:27
Traemjg59, you here?09:27
TraeKeybuk, tx btw for all the help09:28
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mdzGRRR xchat-gnome changes its keyboard shortcuts AGAIN09:30
Seveassorry, but lol 09:31
jdonglol09:34
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Traehah!09:36
TraeKeybuk: it just did it on SLED 10.1!!09:36
TraeKeybuk: as I said, I didn't have any problems compiling Gentoo for like 24hrs almost 09:37
Traenow THAT is odd09:37
Kamionmdz: just to check with you: promoting console-setup to minimal involves promoting xkb-data to minimal and thereby x11-common09:37
Kamionnot actually any of X proper, of course, just some of the base scripts09:37
Traemjg59: if you see this... my laptop just locked up on SLED 10.1 too09:37
Kamionmdz: this seems reasonable to me given that we're now generating console keymaps from X keymaps, but I wanted to check before Just Doing It09:38
mdzKamion: it's a bit large but as far as I can see it's mostly changelog09:38
mdzKamion: isn't xkb-data obsolete?09:38
mdzit seems to be empty on my system09:38
Kamionthat's a mistake09:39
Kamionat the moment the actual data is in xkeyboard-config even though that's allegedly transitional09:39
Kamionthere's a bug filed about it09:39
mdzI see09:39
Kamionxkb-data is the new name09:39
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mdz@#!$!#@$! xchat09:39
mdzanyway, the size of x11-common is pretty manageable compared to the xkb data09:39
zullol09:39
mjg59Trae: Ok, thanks09:39
Kamionperhaps we should take the old Debian changelog out of x11-common09:39
jdongmdz: what on earth do you keep pressing? :D09:39
mdzjdong: control+w, of course09:40
Kamionand for that matter out of all the binary packages by now - it could just stay in the source09:40
jdongmdz: and what did you expect that shortcut to do?09:40
Kamionjdong: delete word09:40
mdzwhich has been erase-word since the dawn of time09:40
mjg59Keybuk: Did you add the code that rewrites kopt lines for the UUID transition? If so, does it also munge the kopt_2_6 line that's now in grub? We've had some people who still have legacy names in there09:40
jdongwell, since the dawn of the other redmond-based world, that's been close window :D09:40
zygamdz: untill it became close window09:40
mdzzyga: which is a lot less useful, and clobbers an existing well-established shortcut without providing any replacement09:41
jdongmjg59: yes, /me had legacy device names with knot2's installer, caused by kopt_2_609:41
jdongmdz: ctrl+bksp?09:41
zygamdz: hail to the standard of the majority :/09:41
Kamionmdz: the other possibility is putting console-setup in standard rather than minimal, but I'm less comfortable with that from an installer point of view, so I'll probably just go with what I've got09:42
mdzjdong: that doesn't work in anything but gtk programs09:42
mdzKamion: ok09:42
jdongpicky picky picky :)09:42
Kamiondoes meta-backspace work in xchat?09:42
Kamionhmm, doesn't work in irssi09:42
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Kamionmust just be a bash/readline thing09:42
mdzKamion: no, it doesn't09:43
zygaheh09:43
mdznot even with gtk-theme-name = "Emacs"09:43
zygamasters of ubuntu arguing over erase-word keybinding :)09:43
jdong:)09:44
mdzah, gtk-can-change-accels to the rescue09:44
Traewhy isn't the ability to select between Emacs and Default gtk-key-teme an option in the keyboard configs?09:44
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mdzI don't mind having to override its shortcuts once, but it should respect  my choice after that09:45
zygawhy should every program behave like emacs?09:45
Traeuh oh09:45
jdongooh, is now a good time to rehash vim-tiny vs vim-full? :D09:45
zygabah.. I already feel where this is going09:45
zygaignore me09:45
mdzzyga: they shouldn't, and given that ^W isn't an emacs shortcut, I don't know what you're talking about09:45
Traemdz: when was the last time you nuked your xchat2 configs?09:45
mdzTrae: when I moved from xchat->xchat-gnome09:46
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mdzthat is, during dapper09:46
mdzI don't even know where gtk-can-change-accels stuff is stored, probably buried in gconf somewhere09:46
Traemdz: that might be a xchat-gnome build issue, cause it always keeps the Emacs for me if I set it to gtk-key-theme09:46
Traemdz: go to occy.net/search09:46
Traemdz: search for: Emacs09:47
Kamionmdz: how does the bit at the end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Proposals look to you?09:47
Traemdz it'll show you how to change it in gconf-editor09:47
mdzTrae: I did that about a year ago09:47
Traemdz: if you re-install, you lose it :)09:47
Trae*chuckle*09:47
mdzit's still set, and still honored by everything but xchat, which overrides it09:47
Traesorry, just trying to help09:47
Traemdz: I'd beg to differ with you, I have no problems09:48
Traemdz: the only difference between you and I?  I don't use xchat-gnome09:48
Traeat least I don't think I do09:48
KamionBurgwork: I put a console-setup item on the UWN proposals page09:48
mdzTrae: I beg to differ that that's the only difference between us09:48
Traemdz: hahaha09:48
mdzor our systems either09:48
Seveasmdz, I finished putting together uubuntu and kubuntu usplash themes for the art team, which are due today. However, they need someone to uplad both them and a fixed usplash (there is one new revision in my usplash branch that they need) -- fschoep is not here right now so who should I talk to for that?09:48
Traemdz: I am slightly better looking09:48
Trae*chuckle*09:48
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RiddellSeveas: I can upload09:49
mdzSeveas: the usplash changes should go through mjg59 if he is around09:49
mdzSeveas: dholbach generally handles the artwork uploads, though he may have left for the day09:49
mdz(for ubuntu)09:49
Seveasmdz, ok, then this is all waiting for mjg59 09:49
mdzRiddell: if you wouldn't mind uploading the ubuntu themes as well, that'd be appreciated09:49
Traemdz: I'd be happy tohelp you debug that once I get my system back and setup09:50
Traemdz: debug meaning try things for you, I can't code, but I can try stuff09:50
SeveasRiddell, actually, the themes can be uploaded -- they build fine, I just made them uninstallable by depending on a newer version than currently in the archive09:50
TraeI know how horrible it is not having Emacs keybindings09:51
RiddellSeveas: where can I get them?09:51
Seveasone sec09:51
Traezyga: and bash isn't "emacs"  yet you can still do:  ctrl+u to clear a line,  ctrl+a and ctrl+e etc.. to get to front and back of lines... those are the thins "Emacs" keybindings give you in forms with it set in gtk-key-theme09:52
mdzTrae: I've fixed my problem already using gtk-can-change-accels and filed a bug about the issue09:52
mdz(bug 59563)09:52
UbugtuMalone bug 59563 in xchat-gnome "Unixish keyboard shortcuts stopped working again" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5956309:52
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Traemdz: ok... I'm quite certain it's a config issue.... on your part, but I could be 100% wrong09:53
SeveasRiddell, http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/usplash/09:53
KamionTrae: working configurations shouldn't be broken by upgrades, as a general rule09:53
KeybukSeveas: btw, what does that upload change?09:53
mdzTrae: it isn't.09:53
KeybukSeveas: or is it new packages?09:53
SeveasKeybuk, the ones for riddell are 2 new packages09:54
Keybukwhat's the usplash upload?09:54
Seveasthe usplash fix they need is preventing a segfault if a theme doesn't link in its own font09:54
Seveas+a small fix in the example theme09:54
Seveasthe diff is very small09:54
Keybukheh09:55
RiddellSeveas: any rationale for having separate packages?09:55
SeveasRiddell, none other than laziness09:55
RiddellSeveas: i.e. new packages rather than the ones we were using previously09:55
SeveasRiddell, they should be merged imho but kwwii and fschoep came to me about an hour ago to create this and this was easiest to do before having to get some sleep09:56
RiddellSeveas: previously ubuntu usplash was in just "usplash" as far as I know, and kubuntu was in kubuntu-default-settings09:56
Seveasah, but art packages are split up all over the place09:57
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mdzKamion: are we using the 'linux' metapackage in the installer?09:58
TraeIs there a Project Manager who can help guide those of us without Coding backgrounds into areas that need help?09:59
TraeI would love to get more involved and help out.09:59
Seveasmdz, xubuntu and edubuntu still don't have an usplash theme and I haven't really heard anything from them -- can they go in after feature freeze?09:59
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Traeheh09:59
Kamionmdz: not at present - base-installer knows what kernels are preferred on what CPUs10:00
Kamionand picks the best one it can10:00
Traethat and REALLY scary singing10:00
mdzKamion: does it know that there is now only one preferred kernel on i386 and amd64?10:01
mdzI think most of the stuff it installs are now compatibility packages10:01
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mxpxpoddesrt: ping?10:05
mjg59Seveas: Oh?10:05
mjg59Seveas: What do I need to pull from your branch?10:05
mdzKeybuk: when I upgraded my desktop to upstart, it became unable to reboot due to having the upstart commands but sysvinit running10:05
Seveasmjg59, 1 revision (if lp already shows it)10:05
RiddellSeveas: does the postrm not need to update alternatives?10:05
mjg59Seveas: Ok10:06
mjg59Seveas: What does it fix?10:06
SeveasRiddell, I took the postrm from the old usplash -- I found it odd too10:06
Kamionmdz: could you please file a bug with the details? I reduced it to -386 and -generic on i386, and just -generic on amd6410:06
Seveas<Seveas> the usplash fix they need is preventing a segfault if a theme doesn't link in its own font10:06
Seveas<Seveas> +a small fix in the example theme10:06
Seveas<Seveas> the diff is very small10:06
Kamionmdz: oh, no, -generic and -server on amd64, add -server and -server-bigiron on i38610:06
mjg59Seveas: Ok10:06
AlinuxOSHello All, mjg59 have some minutes ?10:07
Kamionmdz: it will prefer -generic on i386 on anything with a 586 or better10:07
mjg59Seveas: What's your repository again?10:07
mjg59AlinuxOS: Hi - what's up?10:07
Seveasbazaar.launchpad.net/~dennis/usplash/theming10:07
AlinuxOShttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966 here, finally it works...a trick is found.10:07
UbugtuMalone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  10:07
mjg59AlinuxOS: Ok, cool10:08
mdzKamion: my understanding was that the only reason to use anything other than -generic was to get the legacy drivers which don't work with SMP10:08
mjg59AlinuxOS: I'll do something about that10:08
mjg59AlinuxOS: I'm afraid I can no longe rupload to Debian, though10:08
mdzwhere is BenC?10:08
Kamionwell, I'm away for the evening, anyway, so I can't talk about this now ...10:08
KamionI'll get back to it on Monday if I don't hear anything in the meantime10:08
Keybukmdz: yes, fix is in bzr; will upload once I've finished debugging this other problem10:09
AlinuxOSmjg59, there is Arne Goetje-s comment + updated control, defoma-hints, postinst and prerm scripts. 10:09
Kamionmdz: it should be moot though - every system we care about will use -generic10:09
mdzKeybuk: what's the fix?  sounds tricky10:09
AlinuxOSmjg59, why not for Debian ? 10:09
mdzKamion: enjoy the weekend10:09
mjg59AlinuxOS: I'm no longer a member of Debian10:09
Keybukmdz: giving the upstart shutdown command enough marbles to try sending an old-style initctl message if it gets ECONNREFUSED from upstart10:09
Kamionta10:09
AlinuxOSmjg59, what about Ubuntu ? :)10:10
KamionI still think we should figure out how to get upstart to gracefully be re-execed by sysvinit :-)10:10
mjg59AlinuxOS: Can manage that10:10
AlinuxOSmjg59, I'm sorry for that...10:10
mjg59Keybuk: Did you see my question about grub and uuid stuff?10:10
mdzmjg59: current usplash seems to still clobber the console on my T4210:10
mjg59mdz: I'll look into it10:10
Keybukmjg59: no, what is the question?10:10
mdzmjg59: any info I can provide?10:11
mjg59Keybuk: kopt in grub gets changed to have UUIDs10:11
KeybukKamion: it's not actually that hard... the problem is that upstart would think all the jobs were stopped10:11
mjg59Keybuk: kopt_2_6 doesn't seem to10:11
KeybukKamion: and might then start doing odd things, like starting more gettys10:11
Keybukmjg59: oh10:11
KamionGETTYS FOR EVERYONE10:11
Kamionanyway, really gone10:11
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mjg59Keybuk: Biting new installs rather than upgrades, but has hit us because some machines went from sda to hda (small kernel screwup)10:12
mjg59mdz: 1400x1050 system?10:12
Keybukmjg59: file a bug, subscribe me, I'll look into it10:12
mjg59Keybuk: Ok10:12
mdzmjg59: 1024x76810:12
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mdzI also see some very odd behaviour where the boot process hangs10:12
mdzbut resumes on ctrl+f110:12
mdzI'm going to have sshd start earlier and see what's up10:13
mjg59mdz: Are you sure you're on latest usplash?10:13
mjg59And latest kernel?10:13
AlinuxOSmjg59, what a paradox there is 0.3 version of ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts for Debian and 0.2 version(old with no fonts.conf) in Ubuntu (Dapper and Edgy) repository ;)10:13
mdzmjg59: hmmm10:13
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mdzmjg59: usplash 0.4-20, 2.6.17-710:15
mdzI'm regenerating initramfs manually to be extra sure10:15
mjg59mdz: Ok10:15
BurgworkKamion, thanks! I will add it10:16
ograwhy does our initramfs supply a /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ dir ?10:16
ograapprently its not used 10:16
mdzogra: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs:for i in ${CONFDIR}/conf.d/* /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/*; do10:16
RiddellSeveas: I can upload the kubuntu splash as part of kubuntu-default-settings, are you sure we want a new package for the ubuntu splash?10:16
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mdzmjg59: I think it might have become confused due to -386 sorting ahead of -generic10:17
mdzand regenerated the wrong one10:17
ogramdz, well, it doesnt work ...10:17
mdzmjg59: console seems to be OK10:17
SeveasRiddell, kubuntu is your call -- do what you see fit. For Ubuntu all pieces of the artwork have been split up so I assume this has to be a separate package as well10:17
mjg59mdz: Ah, ok10:17
RiddellSeveas: ok10:17
mjg59mdz: That would make sense10:17
ograi have to put my file into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ to make it work10:18
mdzogra: given that they're used on exactly the same line, it seems likely that something else is wrong10:20
ograweird10:21
mdzah, I see10:21
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AlinuxOSmjg59, I think that even if you don't update that package for Debian - it still can be usable for debian. right ?10:21
mjg59Seveas: Ok, uploading10:21
mjg59AlinuxOS: Yes10:21
mdzogra: look at the lines after that in mkinitramfs; it later assumes they're all in $CONFDIR10:21
mdzapparently no one ever tried to use that feature before10:21
ograright :)10:21
mdzogra: what are you trying to do?10:21
Seveasmjg59, \o/10:22
mjg59Seveas: Feel free to get the themes dealt with10:22
mjg59Seveas: They probably want an appropriate depends line10:22
AlinuxOSmjg59, ok so just somone from debian could update it :)10:22
mjg59AlinuxOS: Sure10:22
ogramdz, dropping the sed calls to change mkinitramfs.conf from ltsp and put a proper file in to change the options10:22
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AlinuxOSWhy no more you ? Some political issue ? 10:23
ogramdz, 10:23
mdzogra: any reason not to put it in /etc as a conffile so the admin can change it?10:23
ograroot@edubuntu:/# cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp 10:23
ograMODULES="netboot"10:23
ograBOOT="nfs"10:23
ograthats where i got it now10:23
ograi like to avoid conffiles if possible ...10:23
ograif you think it makes sense to make it one i'll keep it in etc10:24
ograbut i think we should ship it in usr and rather make mkinitramfs perfer the files from etc10:24
ograso the admin can drop in an ltsp file to override the default10:24
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ogras/an ltsp file/an ltsp file in the etc dir/10:25
mdzKeybuk: splash-down seems pretty broken at the moment; is that due to teardown, upstart or both?10:26
mjg59mdz: The difference in resolution is because usplash doesn't get called with the resolution arguments10:27
mdzmjg59: argh, false alarm, my console is broken after all10:27
mjg59I've no idea why only the second phase of it appears10:27
mjg59mdz: Hm10:27
mdzwith current kernel, usplash and initramfs10:27
mjg59I'll try testing with Daf's T42 when he gets back, but it's the 1400x1050 model10:28
mdzit was a recovery mode boot before10:28
mjg59mdz: If you go to a console and do sudo vbetool vgamode 3 does it get your text back?10:28
Seveasmjg59, actually I went ahead with the themes prematurely -- the kubuntu one is upladed as part of kubuntu-default-settings, the ubuntu one is in a new package, so needs some NEW massaging10:28
mjg59Seveas: Ok10:29
mdzmjg59: yes, it does10:29
mjg59mdz: Hmph. Right.10:29
mjg59mdz: In that case, in theory usplash is doing precisely that10:29
mdzmjg59: but then switching to X and back breaks it again10:29
mdzso perhaps it's X and not usplash at all10:29
mjg59mdz: Haha.10:29
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mjg59It is possible that it's X10:29
ogramjg59, hey, that helps here too ... no stripes anymore10:29
mjg59ogra: ?10:29
mjg59ogra: Using which version of usplash?10:30
ogramjg59, i told you i have stripes and no chars on the console 10:30
ogranot the most recent one 10:30
mjg59ogra: Yes, and I fixed that on the similar hardware I have here10:30
mjg59Right10:30
ograi upgraded, but didnt reboot yet10:30
mdzogra: does switching to X break it again?10:31
ograyes10:31
mjg59Gah. I wonder if X is doing something mad like saving register settings at startup and not afterwards.10:31
mjg59That sounds implausible, though.10:31
mdzogra: which X driver?10:31
mdzI'm using ati10:31
ograme too10:31
ograoh, no, wait10:31
mjg59It's fine on the only ati hardware I have10:32
ograi lied10:32
ograi use fglrx atm10:32
mjg59Oh, in that case it's almost certainly X10:32
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mjg59Graphics bugs which involve the use of binary-only drivers are likely to get ignored, I'm afraid10:33
ograthe stripes look the same with ati though ... thats why i tried to switch10:33
Seveasit breaks here on dapper/fglrx from ati.com too10:33
mjg59It's fixed in -1810:33
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ogra(my card has no 3d support in fglrx so i wouldnt use it normally)10:34
jdonghmm usplash behaves ok with my fglrx/edgy and dapper's usplash worked fine with fglrx, too...10:36
jdongsince -1810:36
jdongexcept for the 16-color ordeal10:36
mdzogra: do you know why gnome-screensaver only recommends the screen hacks, instead of depending on at least one10:41
mdz?10:41
mdzoh, I suppose blanking is built-in10:42
ograyep10:42
ograi dont have any hacks installed in edubuntu10:42
ograa hard dep would make that impossible ...10:43
ograg-ss also supplies two or three own savers10:43
ogra(the flying gnome feet for example)10:43
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Riddellxubuntu usplash uploaded, someone else will need to do the artwork though10:44
Riddellogra: want me to do edubuntu?10:44
ograRiddell, whats the change ? 10:44
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Riddellogra: there's a new usplash10:44
ogra*missed10:44
ograyes10:44
Riddellwith new usplash plugins needed10:44
ograaha10:44
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ograwhere and when was that announced ?10:45
ogradid i miss a mail ?10:45
ograRiddell, anyway, if you got something ready, go ahead 10:46
Riddellit's not been announced by e-mail, it's what we've been discussing on this channel for the last our10:46
ograah, i juat came back 10:46
ogra*just10:46
ograand am busy fixing the last small ltsp breakages10:46
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mjg59AlinuxOS: Ok, there's an issue here10:48
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AlinuxOSmjg59, only in your case ? Or it's a general problem ?10:49
mjg59Installing that package has changed my default GTK fonts even without me having a Georgian locale10:49
mjg59Which isn't really acceptable10:49
mjg59Let me see if I can figure this out10:49
mjg59Yeah, it's giving me BPG fonts10:50
AlinuxOSmjg59, hm...10:51
AlinuxOSfor me everything is ok here.10:51
mjg59AlinuxOS: But you're expecting the BPG fonts, right? :)10:51
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mjg59The latin characters in them are less well formed than the default font we use10:51
mjg59So it can't override those10:52
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AlinuxOSmjg59, normally BPG don't changes latin charachters...there is georgian unicode range, so only georgian unicode range is changed.10:53
mjg59AlinuxOS: Rioni very definitely contains latin characters10:53
ogramjg59, any opinion on bug 29527 ?10:54
UbugtuMalone bug 29527 in gnome-power-manager "brightness is not associated with any graphical indicator (such as volume one)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2952710:54
mjg59ogra: It probably needs my patch removing10:55
ogrado you think i should disable the patch for a test ? 10:55
ograok10:55
ograthats what i thought ...10:55
mdzmjg59: I'm definitely using ati and not fglrx11:00
AlinuxOSmjg59, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/geo.png - Here is ok. Maybe it changes it but in Georgian contecst, it loooks great. There was no laments about this issue.11:00
mdzogra: can you try with ati?11:00
ogramdz, if the g-p-m build finished ...11:01
mjg59AlinuxOS: But it *breaks* non-Georgian contexts11:01
mjg59And so I can't upload it11:01
mjg59I'm looking into this now11:01
AlinuxOSmjg59, thank you.11:02
mdzmjg59: your theory about X saving the regs at startup it looking pretty plausible11:02
mdzbooting without usplash, it switches fine11:03
mdzbooting with usplash, it's destroyed11:03
mjg59mdz: But usplash is setting it to text mode before X starts. Hmm.11:03
mjg59AlinuxOS: So, before:11:03
mjg59tyrosine% fc-match11:03
mjg59DejaVu-Sans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"11:03
mjg59And after:11:03
mjg59tyrosine% fc-match 11:03
mjg59BPGRioni-Regular.ttf: "BPG Rioni" "Regular"11:03
mjg59That is, it's changed my default font11:03
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AlinuxOSmjg59, hm...is it font problem ?11:04
mjg59AlinuxOS: No, fontconfig11:04
mjg59I assume11:04
mdzmjg59: is it?  when X starts, usplash is still up and goes all funny11:04
mjg59mdz: Erm.11:04
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mjg59mdz: That's really not meant to happen.11:04
mdzmjg59: what's meant to stop it?11:05
mdzas far as I know it's always been that way11:05
mjg59svgalib/src/vga.c, __svgalib_releasevt_signal11:06
mdzexcept for the going all funny, which I assumed was related to vesa11:06
mdzmjg59: isn't that triggered by X starting, i.e. it's already too late?11:06
ogragdm usually stops it11:06
mjg59mdz: Yes, but X isn't supposed to be fucking with the VTs until after that11:06
mdzogra: I don't think gdm even knows usplash exists11:06
ograsee the gdm initscript11:06
mjg59Also, what ogra said11:06
mdzoh, so it does11:06
ograin a horrible way by calling start :(11:06
mdzit used to know about usplash_down but seems broken11:06
mjg59mdz: Ok. If you go to the console (while it's broken), then run usplash and then switch away, does it work?11:08
mdzmjg59: usplash_quit() in init.d/usplash doesn't11:08
mjg59As in, does usplash exit and text mode get restored?11:08
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mdzoh, I booted without splash11:09
mdzmjg59: yes, switching away from usplash dtrt11:09
mjg59Ok11:09
jdongGRR... for the 28th time this hour, xchat and gaim did NOT crash @$@!$@!$!11:09
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mjg59So it sounds like there's an issue with the gdm and usplash interaction here11:09
jdongwhat source package do I file the crash notification applet under?11:09
tsengjdong: the crash applet itself?11:09
tsengjdong: apport11:10
jdongtseng: thanks11:10
mdzmjg59: ok, I've reproduced it11:10
jdonggod this is the most annoying thing since WGA....11:10
mdzmjg59: after disabling the /proc/cmdline check in usplash_quit (I'm not sure why it's needed anyway), it fails to kill usplash with TERM and ends up KILLing it11:10
mdzwhich produces the garbled screen11:10
mdzer11:11
mdzfails to kill usplash with usplash_write QUIT that is11:11
mdzthis is completely a local problem11:12
mdzignore me11:12
mjg59Mm?11:12
mjg59What was up?11:12
mdzmjg59: /usr/local/sbin/usplash_write.  I assume the fifo location changed or something11:13
AlinuxOSmjg59, in case if there is some problems to find an optimal solution... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966 you can ask to Arne Goetje. He helped me a lot to figure out howto to manage general georgian fontconfig.11:13
UbugtuMalone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  11:13
mdzthat's what that weird hang was; it was init.d/usplash watiing before killing usplash11:13
mdzconsoles and usplash are both OK now11:14
mdzso I wonder what ogra's problem was11:14
mdzmaybe he, like me, 'make install'ed usplash a year or so ago and forgot about it11:14
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mdzactually I don't know how I ended up with that, probably debugging11:15
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mdzogra: my problem turned out to be a stray /usr/local/sbin/usplash_write11:15
ograoh11:15
mdzusplash wasn't getting shut down properly11:16
ograwell, its the same behavior with the ati drive fwiw11:16
ogra*driver11:16
mdzogra: check that usplash is getting shut down before X starts11:16
ograwell, gdm should do that no ?11:17
mdzogra: check11:17
ograits not running11:17
ograbut i need to update and reboot anyway, as i said when we began ...11:17
SeveasRiddell, did you use ubuntu or kubuntu for xubuntu? 11:17
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Riddellogra: the edubuntu-artwork buildsystem is too complex for me, you'll need to do it yourself I'm afraid, copying the files out of kubuntu-default-settings11:17
RiddellSeveas: kubuntu11:18
ograRiddell, i'll look after i got ltsp done11:18
mjg59mdz: ogra hasn't rebooted with a new usplash11:18
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SeveasRiddell, someone was working on a proper edubuntu theme iirc11:18
BluhdI've got a problem with acloca11:18
Bluhd*aclocal11:18
ograSeveas, yes, cbx33 11:18
Bluhdwhenever I run it, I get this:11:18
Bluhdmacro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library11:18
Bluhdlibtool is in fact installed11:18
Seveascbx33, ping11:19
mdzmjg59: gdm used to run /sbin/usplash_down to dtrt during shutdown, but that doesn't exist anymore11:19
mjg59Oh, that's interesting11:19
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mdzmjg59: the makefile doesn't install it11:20
ograi think it changed in dapper already11:20
ograi had a prob with ldm back then and i think it was seb who told me to stop it via the initscript in ldm's11:20
mdzafter copying it into place, splash-down seems to work nicely again11:21
mdzwell, the first stage11:21
ogra(which brought me an ugly bug i have now in dapper ltsp)11:21
mdzthen it reverts to low res mode11:21
mdzI can fix that though11:21
BluhdHello?11:22
mdzBluhd: this channel is for development of the distribution itself, not for help with doing development on ubuntu11:23
Bluhdoh11:23
Bluhdok11:23
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Kamionusplash-theme-ubuntu> I'm going to need to adjust the preseed file on our CDs to install that11:44
Kamionbut it can wait until tomorrow11:45
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bluefoxicyheh I've crashed firefox 50 times in the past half hour.11:51
cbx33pong Seveas 11:51
cbx33pong ogra 11:51
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Seveascbx33, how's the edubuntu usplash theme going?11:51
bluefoxicystupid gecko goes nuts with a lot of dhtml re content management system administration.11:51
cbx33just getting the ideas together havn't start putting it down on paper yet11:52
cbx33ogra, did you get anywhere with SCP?11:52
bluefoxicyprobably just race conditions everywhere, and those 611 "defects" and 74 "security holes" or whatnot.11:52
cbx33Seveas, hopefully going to do that tomotrrow11:52
ogra?11:52
ogranope11:52
ograpitti apparently didnt review the MIR11:52
cbx33ahh....ok11:53
Seveascbx33, I though deadline was today?11:53
cbx33does this mean we're confined to Universe?11:53
bluefoxicy(anything where i can load the application too much and make it crash I immediately assume is probably a race)11:53
cbx33Seveas, we had a setback in the artwork for edubuntu11:53
cbx33not all the people working on it, turned in work....as a result we're playing catchup11:53
cbx33've jumped in to helpout, even though my artwork skills are limited11:54
cbx33ogra, are you happy with the higher Ed wallpaper?11:54
Seveascbx33, ok -- here's a deal: provide me a 600x800, 1024x768 and 1365x768 version of the same background png and I'll put the theme together. Make sure a brown progress bar fits with the theme for now11:54
cbx33Seveas, you are a star !11:55
ograis there a new one or are you referring to the one you showed me ? 11:55
cbx33ogra, yes11:55
cbx33the one I showed you?11:55
ograSeveas, brown ??11:55
cbx33comments suggestions11:55
ograSeveas, is that necessary ` 11:55
ogra?11:55
Seveasogra, I already have a brown progress bar in png so that's easiest11:55
cbx33Seveas, can I alter the images in your pacage to provide a diff colour11:55
Seveaskubuntu-blue is also possible11:55
cbx33I'll mod the pngs if that's ok?11:55
Seveassure!11:55
ograSeveas, the current one i see in edubuntu is the edubuntu red one11:55
cbx33just hue them up to our scheme11:55
Seveasprovide me another progrss bar and I'll use it11:55
cbx33thanks Seveas you really rock !11:56
SeveasI'm just that bad with graphics that there is no way I can create one myself11:56
cbx33Seveas, heheh11:56
cbx33I'm not that great myself11:56
cbx33photography is my art outlet....11:56
cbx33and the ubuntu sounds of course ;P11:56
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cbx33ogra, I don;t wanna lumber it on you11:57
Seveasogra, I can put it together in minutes11:57
cbx33you've done enough11:57
SeveasHave done it three times now ;)11:57
cbx33I'll get it sorted11:57
cbx33Seveas, I'll sort that out for you11:57
ogracbx33, its fine for now (the wallpaper), but i guess we'll need sabdfl approval since our artteam hasnt really shown much before the freeze11:57
Seveascbx33, mail images to dennis@ubuntu.com -- I'll be offline for a large portion of the day tomorrow11:57
cbx33ogra, i apologise :(11:58
ogracbx33, not your fault ...11:58
cbx33I tried to stir interest...contacted some people who sasid they were interested...but got very little back11:58
cbx33:'(11:58
ograstop apologizing for everything :) you did awesome work with SCP, the sounds gisomount etc ...11:59
cbx33not but I do feel I've let you guys down11:59
cbx33heh11:59
ograyou didnt 11:59
cbx33I'm an apologetic guy ;)11:59
cbx33I'll try to work a lot tomorrow on them11:59
cbx33lisa will be working on them too11:59
cbx33we should have a lot more to show for it....it's been crazy here...my brother i law has moved in today for 2 weeks while his parents are on holiday12:00
cbx33ogra, how do you want to work usplash....12:00
cbx33if we get images...want to approve before they goto Seveas ?12:01
ograits not your fault that the artteam we once had got silent ...12:01
ograyes you are12:01
ograwithout any reason for that :)(12:01
ogra:)12:01
coyctecmi need help, where metacity checks the timeout(or something) where it looks is window responding or not12:01
ograi'd like to see them, yes, but approval lies in either sabdfls or the artleaders hands12:01
cbx33ok12:01
cbx33art leader being Lisa or Frank?12:01
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cbx33oh and ..... just for my own piece of mind....do you thin kSCP will be universe this release now?12:02
ografrank ... but i guess he'll refer us to sabdfl12:02
ogracbx33, no idea, it completely depends on pitti 12:02
ograhe knows that i'd like it on the CD12:02
ograand he knows it was submitted as MIR eary enough ...12:03
cbx33ok cool12:03
cbx33hehe funny the sounds sabdfl kinda just commented and let me and Frank choose12:03
ograthats fine 12:03
cbx33but I'm quite close with Frank so I'll get him to check them over12:03
ograi think lisa can decide herself since she's artteam lead, but the final call will be sabdfls anyway12:04
cbx33ok12:04
cbx33we knew that....the sabdfl thing12:04
cbx33ogra, just so as ...well.....do you have anything you'd like us to try for the artwork12:06
mdzmjg59: do you have access to any machines where ondemand doesn't work, so we can develop a test for that?12:06
cbx33and you mentioned about the manga one and religion.....is there something we can do to modify it more to your liking...?12:07
mjg59mdz: Having checked the code, I believe that The Right Thing will already happen12:07

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