[12:10] <Seveas> kwwii, there's no rush
[12:17] <kwwii> night all
[12:19] <kwwii> my wife expects me to go to the green grocer by 6:00am and then to the butcher and baker
[12:19] <kwwii> I thought about just staying up all night :p
[12:19] <allee> kwwii: pure boy 
[12:19] <allee> nite kwwii 
[12:19] <kwwii> see you tomorow :-)
[01:20] <Tonio_> has anyone beeing able to see the new usplash theme ?
[01:20] <Tonio_> it fails here, no change for me.... maybe due to my resolution : 1280x800
[01:23] <seth> no change for me either, Tonio_
[01:23] <seth> 1400x1050 though... another rather non-standard resolution
[01:23] <Tonio_> seth: looks like there is a little problem :)
[01:23] <seth> more than one little problem, I'm still having problems with the "mounting root filesystem" hang too :P
[01:23] <Tonio_> argh...
[01:24] <seth> ah well, that's why edgy is only for my dev box
[01:24] <seth> this one has a fresh new dapper I just installed yesterday
[01:25] <seth> I demand pretty purple themes, so boot up, you
[01:26] <ryanakca> lol
[01:32] <Tonio_> yeah !!!!!!!!
[01:33] <Tonio_> I fuckin found it :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> the klipper bug ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it haha ;)
[01:33] <Riddell> !language
[01:33] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:33] <Riddell> :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: excuse me....
[01:33] <Tonio_> just that 5 days searching for the issue, I know you can understand ;)
[01:33] <Riddell> ach, fixing klipper is allowed bad language :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: the error is simply in /etc/kde3/klipperrcf
[01:34] <Tonio_> everyone has been searching whatever and it was just there
[01:34] <Riddell> what is it?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: duno exacltly, but the error is there, I need to test each value
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: removing that files makes klipper works perfectly, and loads the ~ config file correctly
[01:35] <Tonio_> although it start 10 times faster, so there is something messed up there....
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay got it
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell:  what is this ???
[01:38] <Tonio_> an ubuntu desktop file directive in /etc/kde3/klipperrc ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> here is the problem, remove that line at the end and klipper works like a charm
[01:38] <Tonio_> I assume a bad patch in jdebase
[01:39] <Riddell> ouch
[01:39] <Tonio_> this is the problem :)
[01:39] <Tonio_> I'm fixing, and n1 kubuntu edgy bug is gone
[01:40] <Riddell> well that's not done with a patch, that's done at built time
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.......
[01:41] <Tonio_> bug in the build system ?
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: in kdebase : klipperrc.desktop
[01:43] <Tonio_> the build system considers it is a desktop file and adds the line
[01:43] <Riddell> it's a .desktop file and a .rc file?  weird
[01:43] <Riddell> yes, that's right
[01:43] <Tonio_> yup, the rc file is build within the desktop
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to patch kdebase rename klipperrc.desktop and the build process creating the rc file within the desktop
[01:44] <Tonio_> I'm trying to get that done
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wonder if we have other files like this one...
[01:45] <Tonio_> concerning kdebase, that's the only one
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: ./klipper/Makefile.am:  $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/klipperrc.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(kde_confdir)/klipperrc
[01:46] <Tonio_> I just have to rename the file via a patch and fix Makefile.am :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> pretty easy
[01:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: that patch would be hard to maintain
[01:46] <Riddell> easier to remove the Ubuntu- line after build
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the problem......;
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: another solution : renaming the file in debian/rules makebuilddir
[01:47] <Tonio_> and patching the makefile, which should be easier to manage no ?
[01:47] <Riddell> sed -i '/X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=/d' debian/tmp/etc/kde3/klipperrc
[01:47] <Tonio_> postinst ?
[01:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: that patch would be unmaintainable, you'd have to remake the patch each release
[01:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, just run that line in  klipper/install::
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know.......
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: although I'm not a fan of that way to do, you're right, it's by far easier
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the tip, I'm trying the build locally to unsure it builds and I'm uploading
[02:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, thanks for finding that
[02:07] <Riddell> curious that it crashes though
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, no application is supposed to segfault when config file has an error
[02:08] <Tonio_> that should be reported upstream
[02:08] <Riddell> haggai: fancy helping KDE at linuxworld again?
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: well the segfault will probably be due to my kconfig changes
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay ;)
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: that may explain kde bug 124155
[02:08] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 124155 in general "klipperrc config read error as applet" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124155
[02:09] <Riddell> but still curious to have 1 crash and no others, that gettext stuff is used everywhere now
[02:09] <Tonio_> in that case klipper has the same issue, but no segfault, just bad parameters loading
[02:09] <Tonio_> the segfault is then due to our changes...
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the gettext used in rc file ? I assume no :)
[02:10] <Riddell> no
[02:10] <Tonio_> klipperrc.desktop is the only case of an rc file renamed to just rc during the build
[02:10] <Riddell> yep
[02:10] <Tonio_> that's weird, it should simply be called klipperrc and that's it
[02:10] <Tonio_> I'll contact upstream concerning this
[02:10] <Riddell> it's because it contains strings to be translated
[02:11] <Riddell> but it seems like a strange way to code it
[02:11] <Tonio_> yes, why not a standard .po file ?
[02:11] <Tonio_> it has the full translation in the rc file....
[02:11] <Riddell> exactly
[02:11] <Tonio_> not very "kde standard" :)
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: now I understand why are so many people complaning that klipperrc is a "dirty hack horribly coded" ;)
[02:15] <Tonio_> I didn't understood why so many people were so critical :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> s/critical/critisizing
[02:17] <Riddell> critical works better
[02:18] <Tonio_> okay, thanks for the english lesson :)
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: is X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain for extraction of desktop files to rosetta ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> just to be sure I understand the structure
[02:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's for looking up strings in .po files translated on rosetta
[02:21] <Riddell> the extraction is also done in cdbs kde.mk
[02:21] <Tonio_> yes I knew that
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay it makes sense now, thanks :)
[02:34] <seth> wow wow wow
[02:34] <seth> suspend works in edgy
[02:34] <seth> out of the box
[02:34] <seth> that's impressive
[02:34] <seth> i've always had to mangle it first
[02:34] <Tonio_> seth ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> we rock
[02:35] <seth> dare I try hibernate ;)
[02:35] <nixternal> i will tell you what is sweet...when i close the lid to the lappy, and it locks
[02:36] <nixternal> so, now when i apt-get update over wifi and its gonna be an hour or so, i close the lid and roll
[02:36] <seth> hmm
[02:36] <seth> the new powermanager doesn't let me throttle though
[02:36] <seth> it shows CPU speed, but no way to change
[02:37] <Riddell> seth: that happens automagically
[02:38] <seth> right, but sometimes I'd rather hard-limit it artificially
[02:38] <seth> I ask for too much :)
[02:41] <seth> wow, actually
[02:41] <seth> it scales up and down a lot more readily than it used to
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: remember the kernel patch sebas has shown us during the paris uds ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> I wonder if it is planned to get it in
[02:42] <Tonio_> that was pure ricking stuff
[02:43] <Tonio_> rocking
[02:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: I doubt it, linux devels don't seem to like suspend2
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: :(
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I assume there is no hope ubuntu adopts it if linux doesn't... :)
[02:47] <ryanakca> is kubuntu 1.0 from edgy or imbrandon repos?
[02:47] <Riddell> there's some
[02:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: what do you mean by 1.0?
[02:48] <ryanakca> ooops konversation
[02:48] <Riddell> well it's in edgy
[02:49] <imbrandon> ryanakca, the one on my site is for dapper, the main one is in edgy
[02:49] <imbrandon> they are both exactly the same though
[02:49] <ryanakca> kk
[02:49] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[02:49] <ryanakca> so should I file requests in bugs.kde.org or in launchpad or both?
[02:50] <imbrandon> depends on the bug
[02:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: bugs.kde.org probably
[02:50] <seth> hum, the purple-orange mixture is a bit naff right now...
[02:50] <seth> it has potential, I like the purple
[02:50] <seth> but it gets muddy
[02:51] <Riddell> that's done on purpose
[02:52] <ryanakca> imbrandon: its a request to make the tabs in the left-hand tree sorted alphabeticly
[02:52] <Riddell> kwwii has this plan that you put in artwork with something obviously wrong with it, then people will complain about that, we remove the problem (the sickly colour in the middle) and people will love the final result
[02:53] <seth> my sarcasm detector doesn't work very well :(
[02:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you know after you install the krash debs you cant add kubuntu-desktop back ( becouse libqt4-{core,gui} is req for speedcrunch amaong others )
[02:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[02:53] <imbrandon> ryanakca, upstream
[02:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, okies, justn makin sure
[02:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: no sarcasm
[02:54] <seth> hmm
[02:54] <seth> KPersonalizer is running on every start too
[02:54] <seth> other than that, everything is pretty flawless
[02:55] <imbrandon> hahaha ryanakca we try not to be sarcastic in here unless its VERY clear ;) ok
[02:55] <seth> ryanakca, Riddell is speaking truthfully-- apparently that's the real reason for the mud colour :P
[02:55] <imbrandon> so no worries
[02:55] <ryanakca> lol
[02:56] <imbrandon> that is kwwii's real idea , how ever crazy it seems ( the funny thing is i've seen it work already heh )
[02:56] <seth> if you swopped it with a deeper shade of purple, it would be fantastic methinks
[02:58] <ryanakca> lol
[03:00] <seth> Hawkwind, you're so mean to the new users :P
[03:00] <seth> they're just tiny new linux users, treat them gently :)
[03:00] <Hawkwind> seth: I'm not mean.  Just telling him where/what to search for since I know nothing about wine
[03:00] <seth> no, not that
[03:00] <seth> [19:59:29]  <Hawkwind> dero: We gave you URL's to read and follow.  Why can you not follow them ?
[03:00] <seth> things like that
[03:01] <Hawkwind> seth: I was asking that to see what he was having problems with so that maybe I could help him
[03:01] <Hawkwind> seth: I wasn't being negative with that
[03:01] <Hawkwind> Trying to find out where he's stumbling so I could possibly read it and see if I could figure it out
[03:01] <seth> mmkay, I wouldn't have said anything if that was the only time I felt like you were being overly quick
[03:01] <seth> but no worries
[03:02] <seth> sorry to pull you away from the other channel
[03:02] <Hawkwind> No worries.  I can see where it can be taken negatively and I have pm'd him trying to find out where he's having issues
[03:13] <Hawkwind> After pm'ing him seems he got things to work as he was confused by so many people telling him different things
[03:15] <ryanakca> is kde4 usable?
[03:15] <Hawkwind> Ummm define 'usable'
[03:15] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:16] <ryanakca> at least konsole works :P
[03:16] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: It seems I'm the only person that can get konqueror to run in KDE4, along with a few other apps
[03:16] <ryanakca> sounds fun
[03:16] <Hawkwind> I wish someone else could get it working as I want to verify a bug with someone who does
[03:17] <ryanakca> can you run kde3 and kde4 at the same time (like in 2 sessions)?
[03:17] <ryanakca> if so, sure, I'll gladly try it out
[03:17] <Hawkwind> Yes
[03:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[03:17] <Hawkwind> You run KDE3 and then perform the export commands to run KDE4 apps from within that terminal
[03:18] <ryanakca> s/sompething/something
[03:23] <bddebian> Hello
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Hiya
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[03:26] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello Hawkwind
[06:31] <lnxkde> how I log in into kde4?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/56141 for jucato
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56141 in ubuntu-meta "Edgy ubuntu-desktop depends on linux-headers-686" [Low,In progress]  
[08:16] <Hobbsee> hey Mez!
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Mez: what's glomping anyway?
[08:21] <DaSkreech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomp
[08:21] <Mez> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomp
[08:24] <Mez> whats something good I can blog about
[08:24] <Hobbsee> ahhhh....
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Mez: you can blog about new and future features of katapult, if you want
[08:24] <Hobbsee> or you could just code them :P
[08:32] <Mez> Hobbsee, when you launch katapult, what server groups do you see in the list - just freenode ?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Mez: s/katapult/konversation/ ?  i havent used the default config in a while
[08:33] <Mez> yes konversation
[08:33] <Mez> I just wanna know what the default server list shows?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> i dont remember, sorry
[08:34] <DaSkreech> freenode
[08:34] <DaSkreech> that's it
[08:35] <Mez> thank f**k for that
[08:35] <Mez> easier to patch
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Mez: yeah, should be simple.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Mez: it's just something that needs to be done
[08:37] <Mez> ;)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> KDE4!!
[08:38] <nixternal> gahahah
[08:38] <nixternal> Riddell used his new gotchi on the planet i see
[08:38] <lnxkde> DaSkreech:  :( I dont know how to log in to KDE4
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Are the libs installed?
[08:39] <lnxkde> I just followed the kubuntu.org intructions
[08:40] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: you have it loading?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Nope I'm bummish
[08:40] <lnxkde> :(
[08:40] <DaSkreech> You ran the exports?
[08:41] <lnxkde> yep
[08:41] <lnxkde> no Kdm entry
[08:41] <lnxkde> konsole/kwrite/kate works
[08:41] <lnxkde> konqueror krashes on start
[08:41] <lnxkde> :p
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Sounds like KDE4
[08:41] <lnxkde> yep
[08:41] <lnxkde> :)
[08:42] <lnxkde> I ran kicker
[08:42] <lnxkde> lol I had 2 kickers
[08:42] <lnxkde> kde3 and kde4 lol
[08:42] <lnxkde> kde4 one krashed 
[08:43] <DaSkreech> So.... you are using KDE4
[08:43] <imbrandon> lnxkde, thats to be expected, its only ment for developers that are trying to fix it
[08:43] <imbrandon> Mez, what ya patchin in konvo ? heh
[08:43] <lnxkde> imbrandon: ;) I am playing with it :D
[08:44] <Mez> imbrandon, default server name - :D
[08:44] <Mez> bug 52690
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52690 in xchat "Please use irc.ubuntu.com alias for default IRC server" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52690
[08:44] <lnxkde> when I get the knowlage for helping in the fixing I will but I have just one moth of C++ experience :(
[08:45] <imbrandon> Mez, ahh thats simple, there is already a patch in the debian/patchs dir to make it freenode , just a one line change
[08:46] <imbrandon> the  kubuntu_01 one irrc
[08:46] <imbrandon> iirc
[08:47] <Mez> imbrandon, that just makes it #kubuntu
[08:47] <Mez> I've edited that (i created that patch in the first place!)
[08:48] <imbrandon> ;) 
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Night all
[08:56] <Mez> imbrandon, http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez/kubuntu_01_channel.diff
[08:59] <imbrandon> Mez, looks great, want me to add it in or you got it ?
[08:59] <Mez> I've added it in - but cant upload to main ;)
[09:00] <imbrandon> ahh yea i can only upload to universe myself ( untill next TB meeting hopefully ) , Riddell always sponsors my konversation/amarok uploads
[09:00] <imbrandon> brb one sec lemme grab a mt dew
[09:00] <Mez> ;)
[09:01] <Mez> imbrandon: FYI: I've created a product on launchpad so we can use supermirror for patches etc ;)
[09:06] <imbrandon> ahh ok cool
[09:06] <imbrandon> re
[09:06] <imbrandon> is the current 1.0 pushed there?
[09:07] <imbrandon> i'm makin a debdiff right now for upload 
[09:08] <freeflying> Hi all
[09:08] <Mez> imbrandon, 0.19
[09:09] <imbrandon> ahh yea and i changed one line you had it diffed against #kde and it should have been #debian-kde 
[09:09] <imbrandon> hehe no worries
[09:09] <imbrandon> ok i'll push 1.0 there soon then
[09:16] <imbrandon> Mez, that patch wont apply to 1.0 clean, i modified it a bit , one sec i'll upload a debdiff
[09:16] <imbrandon> crimsun, ping
[09:18] <Mez> imbrandon, cool - just send me the fixed patch
[09:18] <imbrandon> kk
[09:18] <imbrandon> i'm running a test build ( becouse i'll include it in my konversation-nightly repo too )
[09:45] <Tonio_> yo
[09:45] <imbrandon> lo Tonio_
[09:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: klipper fixed ;)
[09:45] <imbrandon> yea i seen it come accross -changes
[09:45] <imbrandon> godd job
[09:46] <imbrandon> good ;)
[09:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_, wanna sponsor a small upload for me/mez ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> what is that patch from Mez ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Mez: ping ?
[09:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_,  its here http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/konversation.debdiff
[09:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can't that be done in kds ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> instead of patching the code ?
[09:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_, not atm
[09:47] <imbrandon> debian / us patch the code becosue thats what it reads, but i'll cahnge that soonish
[09:47] <imbrandon> thats the proper fix for now ( just an edit to an existing patch )
[09:48] <Tonio_> okay you wanna remove freenode completly, and that cannot be done in kds...
[09:48] <Tonio_> I'm uploading
[09:48] <imbrandon> kk thanks ;)
[09:48] <imbrandon> yea i'll poke Sho_ about doing it a better way later
[09:49] <imbrandon> ( e.g in the rc not the code ) 
[09:49] <imbrandon> probably for the 1.0.1 update due in september
[09:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: uploaded
[10:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_, thanks
[10:43] <tonio_> imbrandon: could you ask Mez if we want to keep the patch for gnome users ?
[10:43] <tonio_> kubuntu needs those settings in kds, which I just uploaded to fix Malone: #52690
[10:44] <imbrandon> huh ?
[10:44] <tonio_> imbrandon: I'm not there most of the day, so Mez can contact me by mail if he wants the patch in (which makes sense for gnome users using konversation)
[10:44] <tonio_> imbrandon: I removed the patch since kds overwrites those settings
[10:44] <imbrandon> kds dosent overide them
[10:44] <tonio_> imbrandon: it does :)
[10:45] <imbrandon> but that wont work for gnomes either
[10:45] <tonio_> imbrandon: the settings are not applyied until I fix kds/konversationrc
[10:45] <tonio_> imbrandon: okay so I'll re-add the patch for gnome people then
[10:47] <tonio_> imbrandon: can you repaste the url to the patch plz ?
[10:47] <tonio_> I need to do that quick since I'm leaving :)
[10:47] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/konversation.debdiff
[10:48] <imbrandon> tonio_, i can patch kds if you have to leave also ( and upload it here in a bit )
[10:50] <tonio_> imbrandon: done and uploaded already :)
[10:50] <imbrandon> k
[10:50] <tonio_> imbrandon: version 30 is on the way
[10:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:58] <tonio_> imbrandon: leaving now, new konv uploaded with the patch and kds too...
[10:58] <tonio_> sorry for the confusion :)
[11:13] <freeflying> anyone can upload to main here  :)
[12:27] <tonio_> freeflying|away: ping ?
[12:28] <freeflying|away> tonio_: ?
[12:28] <tonio_> freeflying|away: you need uploads to main ? I can do it :)
[12:29] <freeflying|away> tonio_: cool, it's for dapper updates
[12:30] <freeflying|away> tonio_:  mail you to tonioAT u.c?
[12:30] <tonio_> freeflying|away: ah ! sorry I don't manage backports !
[12:30] <tonio_> ping Mez or imbrandon
[12:31] <tonio_> imbrandon: your help required here !
[12:31] <tonio_> freeflying|away: sorry I though it was for edgy main, which I can do...
[12:32] <freeflying|away> wow, we have more core-dev in kubuntu-team now 
[12:34] <tonio_> freeflying|away: well I think we are 4, Riddell, raphink, \sh and me :)
[12:35] <freeflying|away> tonio_: congrats :) 
[12:36] <tonio_> freeflying|away: thanks very much :)
[12:42] <imbrandon> yea i'm going to go for main this TB meeting i think, i'm working on my wiki now for it
[12:42] <tonio_> imbrandon: cool !
[12:43] <tonio_> when is the tb meeting ?
[12:43] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: cool
[12:43] <imbrandon> tuesday 
[12:43] <imbrandon> wanna come cheer for me tonio_ ;)
[12:43] <tonio_> okay, haded to my agenda :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> cool ;)
[12:43] <tonio_> imbrandon: I don't want to miss it :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> yea tue at 2000 utc
[12:44] <tonio_> great, will be there
[12:44] <tonio_> oups girlfriend is arriving in a moment and the appartment is a mess like only informaticians can do........
[12:44] <tonio_> I have to go !!!
[12:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:44] <imbrandon> have fun
[12:45] <Jucato> :)
[12:45] <freeflying|away> another core-dev for kubuntu is coming  :)
[12:46] <tonio_> imbrandon: go! go! go!!!!!
[12:46] <tonio_> rahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:46] <tonio_> can someone kick me plz ? I really have to go !!!
[12:46] <Jucato> lol
[12:47] <kwwii_> moin
[12:47] <imbrandon> heya kwwii_ ;)
[12:47] <freeflying|away> kwwii_: hi
[12:47] <Jucato> hi kwwii_
[12:47] <kwwii_> hi guys
[12:48] <kwwii_> so, has anyone seen the usplash?
[12:48] <imbrandon> i seen it, its just the testcard afaik
[12:48] <imbrandon> unless there was an update latnight
[12:48] <kwwii_> imbrandon: we included a new theme last night
[12:48] <imbrandon> ahhh
[12:48] <imbrandon> no i havent rebooted, i might in a sec to try ti
[12:49] <imbrandon> it even
[12:49] <kwwii_> i love adept
[12:49] <kwwii_> "fetch packages"
[12:50] <Jucato> :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> heh your 1 in 1000
[12:50] <kwwii_> written either by an eglishman, a dog lover or a redneck
[12:50] <imbrandon> heh he is non-native english
[12:50] <imbrandon> thats for sure
[12:50] <kwwii_> :-)
[12:50] <imbrandon> kwwii_, mornfall is the author ;)
[12:51] <kwwii_> hehe, I'll get on his case
[12:51] <imbrandon> moins el 
[12:51] <kwwii_> sounds like something Jonathan would say
[12:51] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:53] <imbrandon> hrm ok now to update my wiki and stuff, get my "speech" ready for the TB meeting *me crosses fingers*
[12:53] <Jucato> good luck :)
[12:53] <kwwii_> have fun
[12:53] <imbrandon> lol i dont think fun is what you call a TB grilling ;)
[12:53] <el> moins imbrandon 
[12:53] <Jucato> don't get eaten... too much :)
[12:54] <Riddell> kwwii_: ahem
[12:54] <el> moin kwwii_ , Riddell 
[12:54] <kwwii_> Riddell: you funny-speaking kilt-wearer
[12:54] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:55] <kwwii_> howdy el
[12:55] <kwwii_> brb
[12:56] <Riddell> oh that's right, call me an Englishman then leave the channel
[12:56] <Jucato> heh
[12:56] <freeflying|away> Riddell: I've mailed you the debdiff of scim-chewing and scim-pinyin, please review it, thanks
[12:56] <Riddell> freeflying|away: thanks
[12:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, i decided myself lastnight that i'm gonna throw my self to the wolves at the TB meeting tues , wanna overlook my wiki here in a bit when i update it for main and possibly come put a word in at the meeting ?
[12:57] <tonio_> hehe, she'll be late :) kool
[12:57] <imbrandon> tonio_, dont make me /kick you again hehe
[12:57] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[01:00] <kwwii> well, it would be really neat to see how this thing work
[01:01] <kwwii> works
[01:01] <imbrandon> kwwii, just for you ..... [05:56]  <Riddell> oh that's right, call me an Englishman then leave the channel
[01:01] <imbrandon> hehehe
[01:01] <kwwii> haha
[01:01] <kwwii> lol
[01:01] <tonio_> we really need to give love to the kubuntu.org website...
[01:01] <kwwii> well, us americans don't get picky about which part of the island you live in
[01:01] <imbrandon> ok now i'm off to see the new uspash , brb
[01:02] <imbrandon> tonio_, yes , yes we do
[01:02] <tonio_> compare with the french one http://www.kubuntu-fr.org/
[01:02] <kwwii> tonio_: definitely
[01:02] <tonio_> that's nice design
[01:02] <imbrandon> thats what got me started in computers
[01:02] <imbrandon> well that and my c64 ;)
[01:02] <tonio_> I know the perfect coder for this, but no webdesigner :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> anyhow brb to see the new usplash <detached>
[01:04] <tonio_> imbrandon, kwwii: usplash fails here
[01:04] <tonio_> my resolution is 1280x800
[01:04] <tonio_> kwwii: is that normal ?
[01:04] <kwwii> tonio_: yeah, here too
[01:04] <kwwii> tonio_: to be honest, I have no clue
[01:04] <tonio_> kwwii: ah... looks like bad implementation in kds
[01:04] <kwwii> it has never worked on since edgy for me
[01:04] <tonio_> kwwii: when you compile it manually, does it work ?
[01:04] <kwwii> and dapper could do my real resolution but edgycannot
[01:05] <kwwii> so I have to run 1024x768 instead of 1280x800
[01:06] <kwwii> tonio_: no, it does not
[01:06] <kwwii> but I haven't tried since yesterday :-)
[01:06] <tonio_> kwwii: ah !
[01:06] <tonio_> kwwii: the problem us that usplash code is changing regularly ;)
[01:06] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, I got that feeling
[01:10] <imbrandon> hrm
[01:10] <imbrandon> looks like the same old uspalsh testcard to me
[01:10] <imbrandon> that and half way though my monitor shuts off  then turns back on when kdm comes up
[01:10] <imbrandon> now
[02:07] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:10] <Hobbsee> bet the guys at the store tonight wished they could do the same thing
[02:10] <imbrandon> heh
[02:12] <Hobbsee> s/at/about/
[02:12] <Hobbsee> when it's at them, i'm usually yelling.  like tonight :D
[02:13] <Hobbsee> "what the hell do you think you're doing?"  kind of idea, at them trying to steal cigarettes
[02:13] <Hobbsee> i got them back :D
[02:16] <imbrandon> lol
[02:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[02:44] <Riddell> hi
[02:44] <imbrandon> Riddell, any idea why the shutdown/reboot/etc dosent work fromt he kmenu anymore ? is that a upstart thing or something else ?
[02:44] <imbrandon> ( sudo reboot from console works )
[02:44] <Riddell> probably lure's fault
[02:44] <imbrandon> i thought it was just me but it seems all of edgy
[02:44] <abattoir> imbrandon: do you even get the menu?
[02:45] <imbrandon> yea i get the menu, it just does do anything when i click a button
[02:45] <imbrandon> as per the same as everyone i have encounterd on edgy
[02:45] <abattoir> aah, it works now, yesterday, click on log out did nothing...
[02:45] <abattoir> *clicking
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh darn, i blamed keybuk
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Lure: *poke*  - fix kde, kthnksbye!
[02:46] <imbrandon> hahah
[02:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you stole my deal , die irl kthxbye ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes, i know.  i'm mean and nasty, and i yell loudly :)
[02:46] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <Hobbsee> dont try to steal *anything* from my store.
[02:47] <imbrandon> hahah true, or anything peroid
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: or just generally piss me off.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> and then you should be fine.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks.  you've just reminded me that i need to yell at fuj
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks.  you've just reminded me that i need to yell at fujitsu
[02:49] <imbrandon> lol
[02:49] <Hobbsee> [22:49]  <-- Fujitsu has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hahahahaha he just quit.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> people, how interested are we in having kopete jingle support?
[03:46] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:47] <jdong> what the hell is that? :P
[03:47] <Jucato> commercial jingles?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jdong: which?
[03:48] <jdong> kommercial jingles?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> voice protocol for jabber.
[03:48] <jdong> ah, I see
[03:48] <Jucato> aaah
[03:48] <Hobbsee> er, make that voice for jabber protocol
[03:48] <jdong> sounds cool :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[03:48] <Jucato> ooh jpatrick....
[03:48] <Hobbsee> jdong: it does, but will require some work
[03:48] <jdong> yeah, I can imagine, Hobbsee
[03:49] <jdong> well, I'm a lazy bum, so I won't really chime in on this one :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:49] <jdong> but you know that I can't say no to random features
[03:49] <Jucato> heh
[03:51] <jdong> like an aquarium kicker applet?
[03:51] <jdong> OH WAIT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT :P
[03:51] <Jucato> lol
[03:52] <jdong> and for some inexplicable reason, Mepis turns that on by default
[03:52] <Jucato> heh
[03:53] <jdong> I've always wanted to ask them why
[03:53] <Jucato> well, we don't have it installed by default, afaik...
[03:53] <jdong> but never worked up that courage
[03:53] <jdong> we don't have a lot of stuff installed by default
[03:53] <Jucato> w/c is good, in a way :)
[03:53] <jdong> namely, after every kubuntu install I find myself at an apt-get session for 30 minutes :)
[03:54] <Jucato> imho, Kubuntu has the cleanest K Menu I've ever seen...
[03:54] <jdong> yeah
[03:54] <jdong> just not my kubuntus ;-)
[03:55] <Jucato> heh... let me modify that.. "cleanest default K Menu"
[03:55] <jdong> I'll give you that
[03:55] <jdong> s/cleanest/emptiest/
[03:56] <Jucato> lol
[03:56] <jdong> only on my older laptop, I have to exercise some restraint
[03:57] <jdong> it only has 5GB allocated to *buntu
[03:59] <Jucato> hmm...
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if we do, that's something we can definetly remove :P
[03:59] <Hobbsee> urgh, running 2 versions would be a pain
[04:00] <Jucato> :)
[04:05] <Jucato> I saw something in kubuntu-devel ML, what's irc.ubuntu.com?
[04:05] <jjesse> i think its a private list for cannonical employees
[04:05] <Jucato> ah.
[04:05] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[04:05] <Jucato> err...
[04:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no it isnt.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> irc.ubuntu.com points to wherever the official irc channel for *ubuntu* stuff is
[04:06] <Jucato> " I just patched konversation so that it uses irc.ubuntu.com
[04:06] <Jucato> as the default IRC server.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> which is freenode, at the moment
[04:06] <Jucato> ah
[04:06] <Jucato> yikes! sorry for pasting 2 lines... darn fingers...
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: where was that?
[04:06] <Jucato> kubuntu-devel ML from Martin Meredith
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ah nice, he did it :)
[04:12] <Jucato> so irc.ubuntu.com = irc.freenode.net, at least for now?
[04:13] <jjesse> which makes sense in case we move to different servers
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: which we may do, once sabdfl actually makes it to a CC meeting again, that hasnt been called <3 hours before the start time.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> so no one was ready
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: apt-get remove konqueror && apt-get install firefox?
[04:17] <Jucato> lol
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: hehe.  konq does make a nice file browser though.
[04:17] <jdong> yes it does
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: you forget - i like firefox, and use it more than konq
[04:17] <jdong> lol, going by #kubuntu-devel stereotypes here :)
[04:17] <Jucato> speaking of which, there has been 3 pro-Konqueror articles the past days...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:17] <Hobbsee> they *work*
[04:17] <jdong> lol
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: i'm no stereotype.
[04:17] <Jucato> heh
[04:18] <jdong> Hobbsee:  so I've noticed
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: :)  i cant be a stereotype.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: well, if i was, i certainly wouldnt be involved with this stuff.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> sigh.  someone's whining about xmms dep in kopete
[04:22] <Hobbsee> i cant fix something that i cant upload to, anyway.
[04:22] <Riddell> hmm?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dh_desktop -poleo
[04:22] <Hobbsee> make: dh_desktop: Command not found
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you please take the latest edgy sources of kopete, and build them for dapper and put them in your repo please?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we keep getting bug reports about your packages, and they're annoying me :P
[04:23] <Jucato> ooh....
[04:23] <Jucato> :)
[04:24] <jdong> look at that steam rising from Hobbsee.....
[04:24] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah well.  i've already had an interesting night of yelling tonight.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> and i'm likely to get in trouble tomorrow about stuff that i *didnt* get done tonight.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> s/tomorrow/monday/
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: my voice acts as a great whip :D
[04:25] <Jucato> yeah :)
[04:25] <Jucato> ooh. tty1 is back! :)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ...
[04:26] <Hobbsee> this doesnt have a dep of debhelper...
[04:26] <jdong> firefox on ubuntu apparently isn't "optimized" to "use" "both cores" of his "dual core" "processor"
[04:26] <jdong> but "gentoo" "will" if he "sets his CFLAGS" right :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ... x2
[04:27] <Hobbsee> why do we have two changelogs in this?
[04:27] <Jucato> "I really would like edgy because it will come with aiglx preinstalled! And that would make installing compiz a walk in the park!"....
[04:28] <Hobbsee> and it has no debian/compat.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> I wonder where that rumor came from... (Edgy will come with AIGLX pre-installed...)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: probably the same place as where all the other compix rumours came from
[04:35] <Jucato> heh...
[04:35] <Jucato> I got that quote from the forums :) (ubuntuforums)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, well they have lots of crack rumours there.
[04:35] <Jucato> heh
[04:37] <jdong> Hobbsee: hey now, watch it!
[04:37] <Jucato> lol
[04:37] <Jucato> jdong: you're an admin there right?
[04:37] <jdong> Jucato: yes
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jdong: :P your'e trying to deny the truth?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> i keep forgetting that
[04:37] <jdong> I believe the rumor came from knot2 release notes
[04:38] <Jucato> would it be possible to have my display name changed? (from Fenyx to Jucato?)
[04:38] <jdong> Jucato: sure, give me a sec
[04:38] <Jucato> jdong: thanks! :)
[04:38] <Jucato> ooh.. the forum has a load time? :D
[04:38] <jdong> Jucato: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot2#head-db9fb1fad57c388aac122db5e06d98761531a3d6
[04:39] <jdong> "AIGLX compositing has now been turned on by default."
[04:39] <Jucato> jdong: so seriously? Ubuntu will ship with AIGLX on by default?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ..that doesnt mean that it works
[04:39] <jdong> Jucato: sadly, aiglx/composite are turned on by default
[04:39] <jdong> i.e. xorg.conf defaults to enable instead of disable for the two
[04:40] <jdong> it doesn't mean anything that takes advantage of the two are enabled by default
[04:40] <jdong> i.e. compiz
[04:40] <jdong> there's a difference between having the X server extension enabled and the programs utilizing it installed by default
[04:40] <Jucato> I don't get it... xorg defaults to enable, even if AIGLX isn't installed?
[04:40] <Jucato> oh well... xorg.conf does have wacom enabled by default...
[04:41] <Lure> imbrandon: does logout work if you stop guidance-power-manager?
[04:42] <jdong> Jucato: aiglx is enabled by default
[04:42] <Lure> abattoir: same question for you ^^^
[04:42] <jdong> aiglx is a part of Xorg 7.1
[04:42] <jdong> just like glx is, or composite is, or dri is
[04:42] <jdong> compiz -- the window manager providing the 3D effects -- is not
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep
[04:43] <Jucato> jdong: ah... so compiz isn't installed, but AIGLX is?
[04:43] <jdong> correct
[04:43] <Jucato> XGL isn't enabled?
[04:44] <jdong> no, xgl is in universe
[04:44] <Jucato> oh... :(
[04:44] <jdong> it's looked down upon as a hack
[04:44] <Jucato> aw....
[04:44] <Jucato> so it's AIGLX/Compiz... not XGL/Compiz in Ubuntu?
[04:45] <jdong> Jucato: not necessarily -- it's whichever one you set up
[04:45] <Lure> Hobbsee: it seems that there is some bad interaction between powermanager, ksmserver (my patch) and hal/dbus :-(
[04:45] <jdong> Jucato: my understanding is that edgy's compiz is patched to work with both xgl and aiglx
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:45] <Jucato> jdong: ah but since AIGLX is the one enabled by default... 
[04:45] <pef> hello
[04:45] <Lure> I have seen this yesterday for the first time - I notecided it when i stopped pwoermanager and logout (done half-hour before) showed up
[04:46] <jdong> Jucato: aiglx is preferred, because it's an official Xorg extension
[04:46] <Jucato> so Hobbsee, we need to quit g-p-m to be able to log out?
[04:46] <jdong> oh, the g-p-m stalling startup bug?
[04:46] <jdong> yeah, I'm feeling it
[04:46] <jdong> startup does not finish if g-p-m starts
[04:46] <jdong> i.e. I stop g-p-m, and klippy/kmix load
[04:47] <jdong> it's definitely related to kde refusing to give me a logout dialog, too
[04:47] <jdong> Jucato: you're now Jucato
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems like it
[04:47] <Jucato> jdong: thanks! I was having a bit of schizophrenia... in ubuntuforums I'm Fenyx, but everywhere else, I'm Jucato... :)
[04:49] <nixternal> Hobbsee: 00:49 there, do you know where your computer is?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: as far as i know, its' right here in front of me...
[04:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:49] <jdong> hmm, this heavy thunderstorm here really motivates me to come back to ext3....
[04:49] <nixternal> hehe
[04:49] <Hobbsee> this is really, really cool
[04:51] <nixternal> im grabbing the Ubuntu edgy daily now..it is 702mb..i hope that K3b doens't complain
[04:52] <jdong> nixternal: ubuntu or kubuntu? ubuntu is 668MB
[04:52] <nixternal> heh
[04:52] <nixternal> 701.6 is what im dl'n from the daily batch now
[04:52] <nixternal> for Ubuntu
[04:53] <jdong> Initializing download: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20060909/edgy-desktop-i386.iso
[04:53] <jdong> ^^ that CD?
[04:53] <nixternal> i don't do live
[04:53] <jdong> oh
[04:53] <jdong> ok
[04:53] <nixternal> alternate only ;)
[04:53] <jdong> nvm then
[04:53] <jdong> :)
[04:53] <nixternal> which you would think would be smaller then the live version
[04:53] <jdong> not a ubiquity fan? ;)
[04:53] <nixternal> nope
[04:53] <nixternal> to slow for me
[04:53] <jdong> the live is compressed better....
[04:54] <nixternal> all my years of old school debian and slackware made me a non-graphical installer dude
[04:54] <jdong> lol, I know
[04:54] <jdong> likewise... if I want an install to work, I typically go alternate
[04:54] <jdong> but this CD is for the purpose of rsyncing a filesystem to and from a backup medium
[04:54] <nixternal> i hit enter 9 times and i have a complete system
[05:12] <Jucato> so disabling g-p-m from starting will 1) let kmix, klipper, and adept notifier start normally and 2) let you logout?
[05:13] <jdong> Jucato: yes
[05:14] <Jucato> farewell g-p-m! :)
[05:14] <Lure> Jucato: power-manager?
[05:14] <Jucato> yes
[05:15] <Lure> intersting - I have just notices the logout problem
[05:15] <Jucato> I can confirm that quitting g-p-m lets you logout...
[05:15] <Jucato> but I'm not sure about klipper, kmix, and adept_notifier starting normally without it..
[05:15] <Lure> we will need to poke sebas if he has eny idea...
[05:15] <jdong> yeah, that seems to be the guilty oone right now :-/
[05:16] <Jucato> heh....
[05:16] <Lure> klipper had crashed and this should be fixed, not sure if this is the same
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Lure: wasnt the klipper stuff different
[05:16] <Hobbsee> due to a botched klipperrc?
[05:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes
[05:16] <Jucato> I'm not sure if klipper crashes at startup, because it doesn't even start when I log in..
[05:17] <jdong> well, on my system, if I kill g-p-m, klipper immediately loads
[05:17] <jdong> so g-p-m seems to be stalling the bootup
[05:17] <Jucato> ah.. is g-p-m also the culprit in the seemingly never-ending KDE bouncing icon at startup?
[05:17] <jdong> yes
[05:17] <Lure> jdong: interesting - it seems that pm does someting with dbus that confuses others...
[05:17] <Lure> some kind of lock or simialr
[05:17] <jdong> yeah
[05:17] <Jucato> heh... g-p-m...
[05:18] <jdong> it didn't always happen
[05:18] <jdong> well, the first uploaded g-p-m was ok
[05:18] <jdong> but starting from the updated svn snapshot it started happening
[05:28] <bddebian> Hello
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[05:29] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian and Hobbsee
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind 
[05:31] <bddebian> Hi Hawkwind
[05:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I forgot to ask in the meeting about Krita.. and by the time I remembered, the meeting was over... :(
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe.  that's what we have an agenda for :)
[05:35] <Jucato> heh... I didn't think my questions as agenda-worthy :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: of course they are
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heck, have you ever seen the agendas when i write the stuff on them?
[05:36] <Jucato> yeah, late have I realized...
[05:36] <Hobbsee> they are so absoluletly unprofessional :)
[05:36] <Jucato> this was the first time I attended (or was even aware of) a kubuntu meeting...
[05:37] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:37] <Hobbsee> they arent well publicised, unless you're on the mailing list
[05:37] <Jucato> heh yeah. and for good reason probably :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: speaking of which, are you on it yet?
[05:38] <Jucato> we don't want everyone to be listening and probably misunderstanding stuff. (that and some discussions are technical anyway)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> they go on in here too
[05:38] <Jucato> kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-user ML.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> but that's part of the reason for KCC - it became such a trouble to get everyone to agree
[05:38] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:38] <Jucato> that's why I was asking about the irc.ubuntu.com. read it in the kubuntu-devel ML
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: what's tellico done now?
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: 4 days, 3 releases
[05:42] <Hobbsee> haha.  yes
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !info libksba edgy
[05:44] <ubotu> Package libksba does not exist in edgy
[05:44] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[05:49] <Hobbsee> wah.  they synced a whole lot, but not what i wanted them to.
[05:59] <toma> auw
[06:54] <Jucato> lol
[06:54] <jdong> that too
[06:55] <jdong> add the forums to the list of things being kicked
[06:55] <Jucato> lol
[06:55] <jdong> honestly, how the hell does canonical think that thing can survive with 1gb RAM?
[06:55] <Jucato> what's going on with the forums, btw?
[06:55] <jdong> ITS OVERLOADED :)
[06:55] <Jucato> heh... figures...
[06:55] <jdong> vbulletin tech support basically laughed at our db server
[06:55] <jdong> they say for a forum of our size we need to have a cluster setup
[06:55] <Jucato> although I thought that being hosted on cannonical would have solved their problems...
[06:56] <jdong> no, it's made it a lot worse
[06:56] <jdong> we want to switch to our own servers
[06:56] <Jucato> :)
[06:56] <jdong> but in doing so, we'd probably have to bring out advertisements
[06:56] <jdong> which we don't like to do
[06:56] <Jucato> simple google ads in less prominent places would be fine, at least imho
[06:57] <jdong> Jucato: I don't think you'll find them offensive, but there are those groups of freedom-fighters on the forums that would rage holy jihad if we dumped canonical
[06:58] <Jucato> heh...
[06:58] <jdong> YES! it loaded!
[06:58] <jdong> and it only took 255 seconds
[06:59] <Jucato> but then in present circumstances, you are pleasing those freedom fighters, and depriving the majority of the members continuous regular access to the forums :)
[06:59] <jdong>  /sigh
[06:59] <jdong> at first, canonical told us "if you need more ram just ask"
[06:59] <jdong> so we were pretty cool about it
[06:59] <jdong> now, we're asking for it
[06:59] <Jucato> heh...
[06:59] <jdong> and their response is that they don't "think" mysql needs any more ram
[07:00] <jdong> ubuntu-geek manages mysql servers for a living... I think he'd know when it needs more RAM :)
[07:01] <Jucato> too bad only ubuntu_demon was able to make it to UDS
[07:01] <Jucato> I mean stuff like this could have been raised/asked
[07:01] <jdong> well, we weren't even made aware of the offer
[07:01] <Jucato> oh...
[07:01] <jdong> canonical sponsored someone who wasn't even ON the staff to represent the forums
[07:02] <jdong> which really ticked us off
[07:02] <jdong> I'm not gonna be mentioning any names....
[07:02] <jdong> not in the mood to rehash that whole thing
[07:02] <Jucato> lol
[07:02] <jdong> it was basically that whole aftermath that made us lose an admin
[07:02] <Jucato> kassetra?
[07:02] <jdong> yeah
[07:03] <Jucato> too bad really... she was doing a good job... (IMHO)
[07:10] <seth|away> eh, the kassetra + arnieboy combo is (was) the reason I don't visit the forums anymore... now that both of them are gone perhaps I shall take a fresh look
[07:11] <seth|away> :( I know the feeling
[07:12] <jdong> I just want that happy world again, like when the forums just started....
[07:12] <Jucato> :(
[07:12] <seth|away> I'm glad at least you have your priorities in order jdong :(
[07:12] <seth|away> I loved the forums at first, used them more than IRC
[07:12] <seth|away> then things got ugly
[07:13] <jdong> the forums certainly have had their rough moments
[07:13] <jdong> we try hard to keep it all stable
[07:14] <seth|away> you try, at least
[07:14] <seth|away> others do not
[07:14] <seth|away> but like you said, maybe someday we can get back to the original spirit of the forums
[07:14] <seth|away> when they were happy
[07:14] <jdong> :) let's hope so... let's hope so
[07:31] <Hawkwind> jdong: Maybe we should start a revolution of some sort to make it happen to get it back to happy again :)
[07:32] <Jucato> :p
[07:39] <seth|away> yeah, you get banned when that happens
[07:39] <seth|away> ubuntu-geek banned me once :P
[07:39] <seth|away> then unbanned me about a week later
[08:02] <Riddell> Sime: answers up at http://kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kde-technology-interviews-pykde
[08:48] <Lure> any laptop user here to do small test for me?
[08:50] <Lure> I just need output of this from your laptop: lshal | grep battery.model
[08:50] <Lure> (to know if I can use this as label)
[09:08] <Riddell> Lure: >lshal | grep battery.model
[09:08] <Riddell>   battery.model = 'IBM-92P0987'  (string)
[09:08] <Lure> Riddell: thanks, not really useful then (it is Primary and Travel on HP)
[09:09] <Lure> will just print "Battery 1" as label...
[09:10] <Lure> hi mbiebl
[09:22] <mbiebl> Lure: hi
[09:23] <Lure> mbiebl: we have integrated your ksmserver logout idea in edgy - just using hal directly
[09:23] <mbiebl> I've seen it. It's great.
[09:24] <mbiebl> g-p-m really begins to look nice.
[09:24] <Lure> mbiebl: did not test it with powersave yet, but will see
[09:24] <Lure> mbiebl: I am just hacking in mult-battery support
[09:24] <mbiebl> Did you read my comment from yesterday?
[09:24] <Lure> mbiebl: where?
[09:25] <mbiebl> on this channel
[09:25] <Lure> mbiebl: no, was offline for whole day (but can check logs)
[09:25] <mbiebl> np, I can tell you quickly ;-)
[09:26] <mbiebl> I had problems with g-p-m because it hibernated immediately after I pulled the plug
[09:26] <mbiebl> My battery needs some time (30-60 secs) after pulling the plug until it reports a sensible "remaining time" value.
[09:26] <Lure> you have set hibernate for critical level?
[09:27] <mbiebl> Yes
[09:27] <sebas> mbiebl: It's on the radar.
[09:27] <mbiebl> Directly after pulling the plug it reports, remaining charge 100%, remaining time 2min ;-)
[09:27] <Lure> does it not report remain or just trash value?
[09:27] <sebas> It takes about 30sec after AC unplugging?
[09:27] <mbiebl> sebas: yes
[09:27] <sebas> So remaining charge is more accurate?
[09:28] <mbiebl> For me, yes. 
[09:28] <sebas> We could check if remaining time < critical and charge != 100%.
[09:28] <Lure> sebas: we might need to average them up...
[09:28] <sebas> We would not suspend with charge level > 90% anyway, I'd say.
[09:28] <seth> Lure, did you ever get battery output from someone? I'm on my laptop now
[09:29] <sebas> Can you try a patch?
[09:29] <mbiebl> sebas: yes something like > 90 % (or %50) would suffice
[09:29] <Lure> seth: I got, but it confirmed I cannot use it
[09:29] <Lure> sebas: I can, I am just in the middle of multi-battery stuff
[09:30] <Lure> sebas: fix for blocking bug?
[09:30] <sebas> Lure: Not yet, we can either start the KApp with a QTimer singleShot or wrap it in a .sh script that does python g-p-m.py & basically.
[09:30] <Lure> sebas: funny thing is that blocking bug is there only after reboot/login, when other trays are blocked 
[09:31] <sebas> rebooting is for pussies anyway ;-)
[09:31] <Lure> sebas: sh is porbably nicer, we anyway need /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager (which is symlink currently)
[09:31] <Lure> sebas: ;-)
[09:32] <sebas> Lure: So that's a packaging issue then, fine ;-)
[09:32] <sebas> 'debugging by pointing at others'
[09:32] <Lure> sebas: regarding multi-battery: I am now populating battery widgets the same way as cpu widgets, therefore the tooltip.ui stuff is not needed (I just hide it for now)
[09:33] <Lure> sebas: we could probably get rid of this latter (after your initial review)
[09:33] <sebas> Lure: Ok.
[09:33] <sebas> Sure.
[09:33] <sebas> I'm travelling starting tomorrow until Thursday, so I'm probably unresponsive.
[09:34] <Lure> ok, will poke Riddell otherwise
[09:38] <Lure> sebas: currently we assume if hal report both charging and discharging as false that battery is fully charged - this is not true for my travel battery
[09:38] <sebas> Lure: Hm, what does it do then?
[09:38] <sebas> Or better, what does it report when it's fully charged?
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: the same ;-) so empty and flat is the same. I will probably change to check current charge and if zero asume empty
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: this works with one battery, as machine is dead if battery is empty and not charging ;-)
[09:40] <Lure> s/empty and flat/empty and full/
[09:40] <sebas> mbiebl: Can you try this one? http://pastebin.ulteo.us/97
[09:41] <sebas> You can apply it in /usr/share/apps/guidance/ with -p0 I think.
[09:41] <Lure> mbiebl: apply to /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance
[09:42] <seth> sebas, you misspelled Threshold I think
[09:42] <seth> as Treshold
[09:43] <sebas> seth: Ah, thanks :>
[09:43] <seth> cheers :)
[09:43] <sebas> Does not make a difference for the patch, though, but I will fix it.
[09:43] <seth> right, I understand
[09:52] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong
[10:07] <mbiebl> sebas: g-p-m seems to be broken atm: 
[10:07] <mbiebl> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:07] <mbiebl>   File "/usr/bin/guidance-power-manager", line 37, in ?
[10:07] <mbiebl>     import dbus
[10:07] <mbiebl>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus.py", line 44, in ?
[10:07] <mbiebl> ImportError: No module named dbus_bindings
[10:08] <mbiebl> It's probably because of the dbus transition.
[10:10] <jdong> hey! that means my KDE might finally fully start up and be able to display logout boxes!
[10:12] <sebas> mbiebl: Hm, I can't do anything about that, I'm afraid.
[10:12] <sebas> I'm running Dapper myself.
[10:12] <sebas> import dbus should 'just work'
[10:13] <crimsun> jdong: the bug you filed RE: PCM is already "fix committed" as of a couple weeks ago
[10:14] <crimsun> I would love if people actually read kernel-team before filing bugs, btw.
[10:15] <jdong> crimsun: oh is it? both in dapper and edgy?
[10:15] <jdong> so it was in the git tree awaiting upload?
[10:15] <crimsun> my patches are geared toward 6.06.1 LTS, but they're easily merged into 6.10's
[10:15] <crimsun> no, I sent the patches to the kernel-team list
[10:16] <crimsun> I mark stuff f-c when I've already done that
[10:16] <jdong> k, I was going by personal experience on Edgy, and very recent reports at the forums from Dapper users
[10:16] <jdong> I didn't know work was already in progress regarding hte issues
[10:19] <crimsun> jdong: I don't read the forum consistently, because I'm already quite strapped for resources
[10:20] <jdong> crimsun: I fully understand that, I don't blame you at all... just from time to time I try to find the most common forum-side complaints and forward it to "this half of the world" :)
[10:20] <jdong> otherwise, complaints tend to get lost
[10:20] <crimsun> that's quite appreciated
[10:53] <bddebian> Hello
[10:54] <kwwii> howdy
[10:55] <bddebian> Hello kwwii
[10:57] <kwwii> hi bddebian
[10:58] <Sime> Riddell: Jim's KDE4 plans in the interview might be a bit out of date by the time it appears on the Dot.
[11:50] <kwwii> wow, the sound of silence
[11:55] <bddebian> Heh
[11:59] <jdong> if helen keller fell in the middle of the forest.......
[11:59] <jdong> :)
[11:59] <kwwii> hehe