[12:10] <weas3l> hey DaSkreech, think you may be able to point me in the direction of a path to get my wireless working on this laptop in kubuntu?
[12:10] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[12:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:10] <misieq> JohnFlux: got any idea?
[12:11] <weas3l> hey, thanks.
[12:11] <kegie> damn firefox.. I have to resize the window to get it to repaint itself.. very annoying
[12:12] <weas3l> for future reference, i can ask the bot about anything by typing !question?
[12:12] <grothesk> Hi! Is k3b 0.12.17 available in some repo
[12:13] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Pretty much.  You can also do !ubotu and it will give you a webpage where you can search the bot database
[12:13] <DaSkreech> weas3l: Most stuff but please remember !fish
[12:14] <misieq> grothesk: http://k3b.plainblack.com/download
[12:14] <lupine_85> !fish queens
[12:14] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.0-1 (dapper), package size 355 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[12:14] <weas3l> ...interactive shell eh?
[12:14] <lupine_85> ...
[12:14] <DaSkreech> !fishing
[12:14] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[12:14] <weas3l> nice, thanks guys.
[12:14] <lupine_85> friendly?
[12:14] <JFreakCapo> what is ineractive shell ?
[12:14] <lupine_85> a friendly shell?
[12:14] <lupine_85> what is it, a cackle?
[12:15] <grothesk> misieq: thx!
[12:16] <misieq> grothesk: also:
[12:16] <grothesk> misieq: So this is the official homepage with no dapper packages.
[12:16] <misieq> !k3b
[12:16] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[12:16] <grothesk> misieq: I know hot to use k3b.
[12:17] <lupine_85> k3b++
[12:17] <grothesk> I'm just hunting for the latest version.
[12:17] <lupine_85> apt-cache showpkg k3b suggests 0.12.14-0ubuntu7
[12:17] <misieq> grothesk: if you read closely, you might see that this site also says where the new packages are...
[12:18] <grothesk> misieq: In dapper-backports.
[12:18] <grothesk> But there is no k3b 0.12.17 in my dapper-backports...
[12:18] <lupine_85> presumably it's not available as a dapper package, then
[12:18] <lupine_85> it might be in edgy, or you could build your own
[12:18] <Hawkwind> !info k3b edgy
[12:19] <lupine_85> or request it, of course :)
[12:19] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3975 kB, installed size 8432 kB
[12:19] <misieq> grothesk: then it means 1. it hasn't been backported yet 2. it hasn't been made a .deb archive yet
[12:19] <lupine_85> uboto is smart!
[12:19] <misieq> ahh... you got your answer then :)
[12:19] <grothesk> Not really ;-)
[12:20] <grothesk> So I'll build it myself.
[12:20] <lupine_85> grothesk: it'll be out in edgy - end of october ;)
[12:20] <lupine_85> ...or DIY of course
[12:20] <lupine_85> hmm
[12:20] <lupine_85> msg ubotu acts as a request to edit... which gets forwarded to the ops?
[12:20] <lupine_85> Ulp
[12:20] <misieq> grothesk: you can download a source and create a .deb archive so it won't spoil your apt
[12:20] <lupine_85> s/it/is
[12:21] <grothesk> misieq: That's what I'm going to do now.
[12:21] <lupine_85> !rt2500
[12:21] <ubotu> rt2500: configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.0+cvs20051217-1 (dapper), package size 99 kB, installed size 368 kB
[12:21] <misieq> grothesk: good.  .debs are good ;)
[12:22] <lupine_85> does anyone know if that's rutilt or RaConfig ?
[12:22] <grothesk> CU!
[12:22] <misieq> gotta go, bye!
[12:22] <Flappineagle> can someone give me the short version of how to connect this to undernet , this is my first try with Konversation in ubuntu
[12:26] <kuzmaster> hello all
[12:26] <kuzmaster> how can i give myself full root privlidges?
[12:26] <kuzmaster> if i can spell it right
[12:26] <RawSewage_> you dont want to
[12:27] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: sudo passwd  or sudo passwd root
[12:27] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: Why not ?
[12:27] <RawSewage_> try to avoid that urge
[12:27] <kuzmaster> no, but without having to do that
[12:27] <RawSewage_> idk
[12:27] <Hawkwind> Some people prefer to have a traditional root account, including myself
[12:27] <lupine_85> RawSewage_: it's handy for when sudo breaks
[12:27] <RawSewage_> you have to learn not to want to do that
[12:27] <lupine_85> lol
[12:27] <lupine_85> !best
[12:27] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[12:27] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: Why ?
[12:27] <lupine_85> :p
[12:27] <kuzmaster> cos, like, i cant make changes to the network settings
[12:28] <RawSewage_> It's the Ubuntu way
[12:28] <lupine_85> so?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> RawSewage_: That doesn't mean you can't have a traditional root account
[12:28] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: in <random GUI program>?
[12:28] <kuzmaster> when i click on 'admin mode' it just kinda clears everything, and theres nothing there
[12:28] <kuzmaster> lupine_85, for all
[12:28] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: If you do sudo passwd or sudo passwd root  set a password then you can
[12:28] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: run all of kcontrol as root
[12:28] <lupine_85> e.g. kdesu kcontrol
[12:28] <lupine_85> (I've had that problem myself a time or two)
[12:29] <kuzmaster> like Hawkwind said, how can i have a tradititonal root account
[12:29] <kuzmaster> thats what it want
[12:29] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: I told you twice
[12:29] <lupine_85> sudo passwd will let you set a password
[12:29] <lupine_85> then you just log in as normal
[12:29] <kuzmaster> ok
[12:29] <lupine_85> probably best to only use it in console though ;)
[12:29] <Hawkwind> After you set it, su -  <hit enter>  enter the password <hit enter>
[12:29] <weas3l> hey, stupid question, but after i extract the tarball of firefox into the directory i want it, how do i run it?
[12:29] <lupine_85> (running kde as root is... interesting...)
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Depends
[12:30] <lupine_85> weas3l: the 2.0 beta?
[12:30] <DaSkreech> weas3l: Why don't you just apt-get firefox?
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Read the README or INSTALL file
[12:30] <kuzmaster> !pastebin
[12:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:30] <weas3l> Hawkwind, no, the 1.5.0.6 version
[12:30] <DaSkreech> apt-get install firefox
[12:30] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Why do you need 1.5.0.6 ??
[12:31] <Hawkwind> weas3l: sudo apt-get install firefox will get you the version in the repos which is 1.5.0.5
[12:31] <weas3l> so what is apt-get?
[12:31] <lupine_85> aren't there (more) security vulnerabilities in .0.5?
[12:31] <lupine_85> or is the .0.4 ?
[12:31] <Hawkwind> !apt-get
[12:31] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:31] <weas3l> i just went to the website for firefox and downloaded the most current version...
[12:31] <lupine_85> weas3l: s/apt-get/adept if you prefer
[12:32] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: There's vulnerabilities in every version of firefox
[12:32] <AZ_AS> what's the keyboard shortcut for switching between desktops?
[12:32] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: I know, but are there actively-exploited vulns in .0.5?
[12:32] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Not that I've heard of
[12:32] <lupine_85> cool
[12:32] <lupine_85> must've been .0.4 then
[12:33] <kuzmaster> am i supposed to get this after running kdesu kcontrol?
[12:33] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22957
[12:34] <NthDegree> somehow i doubt that
[12:34] <weas3l> what does 'firefox has no installation candidate' mean?
[12:34] <lupine_85> kuzmaster: it shouldn't affect kcontrol from running
[12:34] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Yes, it's quite normal.  Read this post on my forums to fix it:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[12:34] <Hawkwind> weas3l: Means you don't have your sources setup correctly
[12:34] <kuzmaster> k, it seems to be running normally
[12:34] <NthDegree> weas31, put apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:35] <weas3l> same error.
[12:35] <weas3l> Hawkwind, how can i determine that?
[12:35] <kuzmaster> weas3l, are you sure you have the repos for firefox?
[12:35] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[12:35] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:35] <kuzmaster> i love that
[12:35] <lupine_85> it's just general fluff from the install
[12:35] <lupine_85> it's amazing how much junk many GUI programs put out when you run them under CLI
[12:35] <lupine_85> well, I suppose they're useful for debugging and stuff ;)
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> the firefox binary from mozilla.org runs alot faster (than the repository one)
[12:36] <Hawkwind> The bad device errors come from having 'wacom' stuff in your xorg.conf
[12:36] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Ummmm how do you come up with said information ?
[12:36] <Hawkwind> I've run them both and they are no different IMO
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> The mozilla binary runs exponentially faster on my system
[12:37] <lupine_85> howon earth did a device that almost nobody uses end up in everyone's xorg.conf, anyway?
[12:37] <kuzmaster> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP
[12:37] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22958
[12:37] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: to what power?
[12:37] <weas3l> kuzmaster, i'm not sure... as a total linux noob i followed my windows instinct, went to getfirefox.com and downloaded the tarball from there... after confiring with the install faq, i ran the suggested command in my console, it extracted everything fine.
[12:37] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: No idea
[12:37] <weas3l> but thats all it left me.
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: e
[12:37] <lupine_85> or do you mean that the longer you run it, the faster it gets...?
[12:37] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Do you have adept open ?
[12:37] <kuzmaster> no
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Try running it again
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: It looks like you have another instance of apt-get running or adept is open
[12:38] <kuzmaster> now i get  this
[12:38] <kuzmaster> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22958
[12:38] <kuzmaster> oops
[12:38] <kuzmaster> no
[12:38] <kuzmaster> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep  9 18:24:45 2006
[12:38] <kuzmaster> that
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: i don't mean that (scrolling is alot slower with the one from the repos but maybe it looks slightly better) - minefield from the daily builds is definately faster
[12:38] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: sudo apt-get update
[12:39] <kuzmaster> same
[12:39] <kuzmaster> it hates me
[12:39] <Hawkwind> weas3l: You really need to learn the distros package manager.
[12:39] <weas3l> evidently.
[12:40] <Hawkwind> weas3l: That will solve a lot of problems for you as you can easily install stuff with sudo apt-get install.  Hard to find stuff that isn't pre-packaged for the distro already
[12:40] <lupine_85> !lazarus
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lazarus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <lupine_85> :D
[12:40] <weas3l> i... kinda see...
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> weas3l: extract the tarball to /opt or something and then launch it with /opt/firefox/firefox
[12:41] <lupine_85> how does one request /submit a package to be included, anyway?
[12:41] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox and stop compiling stuff :P
[12:41] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ask in #Ubuntu-MOTU for one thing
[12:41] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Or build it yourself and submit it
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Shhhhhhhhhh, it's unclemike
[12:41] <Hawkwind> :P
[12:42] <lupine_85> I have packages :)
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Why ? I use binarys just ones built by the developers of firefox (and without junk like pango)
[12:42] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: deb packages of lazarus ?
[12:42] <lupine_85> yep
[12:42] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: It's just not recommended.  Especially for a brand new user.  You can mess up the package manager if you aren't careful
[12:42] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: *You* know what you're doing so you won't, but the new user risks the chances
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Impossible if you put stuff in /opt
[12:43] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i hate this and this hates me
[12:43] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Again, new users don't know that
[12:44] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Email me the packages and I'll put them in my repo as well if you want
[12:44] <unclemike> Hawkwind: how do i add your E17 repo to kubuntu
[12:44] <Hawkwind> unclemike: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[12:44] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: it is compiled for gtk...
[12:44] <Hawkwind> unclemike: Info is on the page just like the Mandriva stuff :P
[12:44] <lupine_85> do you use lazarus at all?
[12:44] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I've never used it, no
[12:44] <lupine_85> object pascal++ :D
[12:44] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Have you had a chance to build E17 from the sources for the 64Bit system yet ?
[12:45] <A|i3N> Hey is there any way to play MSN Zone games with Konqueror or FireFox???!?!
[12:45] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Doubtful as they require flash 8 or better
[12:45] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Linux won't have flash 9 until after the first of the year
[12:45] <lupine_85> meh. nobody talking to me in ubuntu-motu. can you /msg me your email Hawkwind?
[12:45] <kuzmaster> why dose this hate me?
[12:45] <A|i3N> what about flash 8? hehe
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Haven't had chance (I will get it done monday or tuesday next week)
[12:45] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: hawkwind AT gmail DOT com
[12:46] <A|i3N> so there's not like, some crack or some kinda modification i can use to play it ..
[12:46] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Kewl.  Let me know how it goes
[12:46] <Hawkwind> A|i3N: Nope
[12:46] <lupine_85> is 71MB OK? (3 .deb files)
[12:46] <A|i3N> ah well guess i'll try the ie6 i have installed lol
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: The 64 bit system is not where I am currently so it cannot be done before then
[12:46] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Or you can tar them up and DCC them to me if you want
[12:46] <A|i3N> although i doubt that'll work either
[12:46] <kuzmaster> hey, is there any disadventages of using the 64-bit version?
[12:46] <lupine_85> HAwkwind: probably best if I stick them on my server
[12:46] <lupine_85> (832kbps upload)
[12:46] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ah ok
[12:47] <lupine_85> 1 second...
[12:47] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Nice!
[12:47] <lupine_85> 40pcm!
[12:47] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I have 8Mb down but RR only gives us 512K up :(
[12:47] <lupine_85> I'm in the UK
[12:47] <lupine_85> mind you, an unmetered 8128/832kbps connection is ~80
[12:47] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Most 64bit OS's still have some issues but are getting better.  The real advantage to 64bit is if you have more than 4GB of RAM
[12:48] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, i know that, but i only have 1gb of ram
[12:48] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Personally I'd stick with the 32bit version then
[12:48] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, what about wine, i herd something about that before, being 32-bit or somtihng?
[12:49] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Wine is an app that allows you to run Windows app in
[12:49] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, well, i was gonna use the 64-bit version, but i couldnt find the cd's
[12:49] <Hawkwind> s/in/in linux
[12:49] <kuzmaster> Hawkwind, i know that, but i herd somone else stating out somthing like it being 32-bit or somtihng, i dont know
[12:50] <lupine_85> urgh, slow wireless...
[12:50] <NthDegree> 64bit is more reliable if the program is stable
[12:50] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: I know nothing about Wine really since I don't use Windows at all.  It very well might be available for 32bit only
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> You can use 64 bit with a 32 bit chroot and its ok
[12:50] <lupine_85> 250KB/sec data transfer over the LAN
[12:50] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Though you can use 32bit apps within a 64bit install
[12:50] <NthDegree> uh WINE can run on 64 bit without a chroot
[12:50] <kuzmaster> i know, but.......... yeah
[12:50] <lupine_85> 700KB/sec download from the internet...
[12:50] <NthDegree> people are so ignorant to IA32-libs.............
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> There is a wrapper for running 32bit firefox plugins on 65 bit
[12:51] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Thanks.  I have no clue about wine.  And prefer not to
[12:52] <NthDegree> you can get a wine package but it is 32 bit, so you need to force dpkg to install it then fix up and lib inconsistencies with 32 bit versions being put in lib32
[12:52] <NthDegree> -and
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just compile wine for 64 bit and use 64 bit windows dll's etc if necessary ?
[12:53] <lupine_85> at last! Hawkwind: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/lazarus
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> (windows xp 64 runs 32 / 64 bit at the same time)
[12:54] <A|i3N> hey just so you know i just got an msn zone game with work with wine running ie6 .. wasn't as great as on windows but hey it worked hehe....
[12:54] <lupine_85> they might need a bit of fixing up, dependency-wise
[12:54] <lupine_85> but they work perfectly
[12:54] <lupine_85> (you need all three installed to get a working build environment)
[12:55] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Grabbing them now.  Also, are they signed at all with a key ?
[12:55] <lupine_85> found you :) tcp        0  27512 lupine.me.uk:www        cpe-24-167-43-76.:46776 ESTABLISHED
[12:55] <lupine_85> erm, no key
[12:55] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Ok kewl
[12:55] <lupine_85> (I have a gpg key, but never seem to use it)
[12:56] <weas3l> thats odd... when i go to run /home/user/firefox/firefox ... it just doesnt.
[12:56] <matgates> hello.
[12:56] <matgates> I have a question about gtk apps...
[12:57] <bender_> hmm
[12:57] <lupine_85> !ask
[12:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:57] <matgates> I have an ubuntu machine on which I installed kubuntu-desktop, and since then my gtk apps don't use the same look for the widgets (even under gnome desktop).  How come?
[01:01] <pimuri> hi folks. can anybody help me? I can't hear any sound in vlc. I tried alsa, oss and standard. e.g. in xmms the sound works fine.
[01:02] <bender_ku> Hmm....well this is a big contrast between XP (Kubuntu)
[01:04] <ccc> bender_ku: yes
[01:05] <bender_ku> Been trying to install FireFox but finding some of the dependcies is a pita...what's a good place to find them (Google's not helping much...grrr...)
[01:05] <ccc> bender_ku: how are you trying to install it?
[01:06] <lupine_85> *snore(
[01:06] <lupine_85> night hawkwind
[01:06] <plugs> how can i access another computer on my network?
[01:06] <bender_ku> I went to the FireFox site and downloading the tar.gz, managed to decompress it but whenever I try and run it I get a (secs changing the exact error)
[01:06] <ccc> bender_ku: open konsole (terminal) and type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:06] <ccc> bender_ku: done
[01:07] <bender_ku> That easy...?
[01:07] <bender_ku> kk gonna try
[01:07] <ccc> yes
[01:07] <ccc> that command downloads and installs it for you
[01:07] <jetpeach> does anybody here run edgy?  i'm wondering why firefox bon echo beta 2 isn't yet installing on my machine, maybe my repos are messed up?
[01:07] <bender_ku> wow
[01:07] <ccc> there are tens of thousands of programs available
[01:08] <Hawkwind> jetpeach: Probably because edgy comes with 2.0b1
[01:08] <jetpeach> k
[01:08] <jetpeach> just checking
[01:08] <ccc> bender_ku: you can type: apt-cache search <name>    to search for stuff
[01:08] <bender_ku> That was...really easy...
[01:08] <bender_ku> I take it all apps aren't that easy to install though?
[01:08] <jetpeach> hawkwind: it's just that beta2 has been out for a while
[01:09] <bender_ku> Ah kk
[01:09] <ccc> bender_ku: or, if you prefer a GUI, use Adept (which is in the System menu)
[01:09] <jetpeach> seems like it should've been in by now
[01:09] <bender_ku> Well saw adept a few times but wanted to do it the longg way the first time
[01:09] <bender_ku> Figure if gonna do it want to do it right the first time before using the GUI
[01:09] <ccc> good thinking. and the command line way is usually faster too :)
[01:10] <bender_ku> Yah, seems easy enough lol
[01:10] <jetpeach> too bad adept is so buggy... none of the graphical package managers work as well as aptitude either
[01:10] <bender_ku> Ah
[01:10] <bender_ku> So will it always work so well finding dependencies using that sudo apt-get command?
[01:11] <jetpeach> though aptitude took me a little bit to figure out well (it remembers which packages were installed because they were dependencies, versus those you actually chose to install so when you remove a program, it will remove unneeded dependencies if you want)
[01:11] <Hawkwind> jetpeach: I'm running Knot2 in vmware and have firefox 2.0b1 installed and it was there when I installed it originally
[01:11] <ccc> bender_ku: well yeah basically. the packages you find there automatically installed dependencies
[01:11] <ccc> *install
[01:11] <bender_ku> a h kk
[01:11] <bender_ku> ah*
[01:12] <jetpeach> hawkwind: cool, yeah i was searching through launchpad trying to figure out when/if beta2 was in, but sounds like they just haven't got it in there.  beta1 is awful for me, pretty much unusable because it crashes sooo much
[01:12] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I have all the files now.  I'll put them in my repo a bit later this evening
[01:12] <elknof1> hey hi everybody
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: I think aptitude is the best option
[01:12] <jetpeach> yep aptitude rocks
[01:12] <elknof1> just a question...   cipherfunk repo is working??
[01:13] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: but i do wish there was a nice graphical one that was as capable.
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: What is wrong with the ncurses aptitude ?
[01:13] <elknof1> !paste
[01:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: You can even play minesweeper if things are really messed up (what other package manager can you do that with)
[01:14] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: what is ncurses?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> jetpeach: if you run sudo aptitude - its the text based gui you get
[01:14] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: if it's just what i know as aptitude, i'm fine with it, but for most people i think they would really like something prettier.  and sometiems i would to.  but i just want whatever that something is to be just as capable
[01:14] <bender_ku> Another question...what's the default path that programs usually get installed too...?
[01:14] <NthDegree> ncurses is what is used for make menuconfig as an example
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> I would always prefer faster or works better over pretty (when it comes to computer programs anyway)
[01:15] <elknof1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22960 if someone can help me, i've already added the keys, but it throws me that... i need to install w32codecs
[01:15] <ccc> bender_ku: usually /usr/bin
[01:16] <bender_ku> ah kk thx (thought it was somewhere around there lol)
[01:16] <jetpeach> i see, ncurses is ok, i can handle it but i love the qt interface and would really like to see a good package manager for it, or major major improvements to adapt.  i don't always remember all the keystrokes in aptitude, and hitting ctnl-t and going through the menus can be tedious....
[01:18] <jetpeach> h3sp4wn: i don't think qt interfaces need to slow anything down, or at least not noticably.  but yes, generally my sentiments are the same.  i just wish all the time people spent developing gnome apps would be spent on kde ones.  i think gtk+ is sooo ugly
[01:22] <bary> i need a good html editor ..any1?
[01:23] <Mortice> !quanta
[01:23] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 2295 kB, installed size 5600 kB
[01:24] <bender_ku> brb
[01:25] <bary> i need a player and some codecs to see a movie? can you recomand me something?
[01:25] <Mortice> bary: what kind of movie?
[01:25] <bary> mortice: a avi
[01:26] <Mortice> bary: heh. ok. you probably need the w32codecs.
[01:26] <Mortice> !w32codecs
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:34] <_bender_> That's so odd...when adding a file to the...menu (start menu or whatever it's called in KDE) didn't have to give the direct path to the program only the usr/bin folder
[01:41] <karanga> Is there anyway to automatically add all synaptic items with the ubuntu icon?
[01:42] <gnomefreak> karanga: nope not that i have ever seen
[01:43] <karanga> OK, thanks anyway :o)
[01:43] <seth> karanga, if you really want to (I don't recommend)
[01:43] <seth> click the icon column to sort by ubuntu icon
[01:43] <seth> then click the first one
[01:43] <seth> scroll down to the end
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> Time to try edgy out in a vm - I want to see how kde4 is doing :)
[01:43] <seth> hold Shift key
[01:43] <seth> click the last one
[01:43] <seth> then mark all for installation
[01:43] <seth> that's a couple thousand though karanga... probably more stuff than you want :P
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: I don't think there are any visible changes (its just kde 3.5.4 compiled with qt4 if I am reading it right)
[01:44] <karanga> seth: thanks for that, think I will heed your warning :O)
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: I've been wondering - I saw some screenies a while back that made it look pretty nice, but any recent screens I've seen looked the same as 3.5.4
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> LeeJunFan: I think the other screenies were just artist concept designs
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: well, I hope they juice it up some.
[01:46] <bary> can nay1 help me on privat to install some codecs?
[01:47] <Hawkwind> bary: Just ask your question here and someone will help you
[01:47] <bary> i wanna see movies
[01:47] <Hawkwind> !codecs
[01:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:48] <Hawkwind> bary: Read those pages.  It will help you get things installed to view movies of most any kind
[01:49] <bary> Hawkwind: its my first day on linux so i think it will be a little bit hard
[01:49] <Tom-_-> shit, what can u do when ur underage and run out of cigarettes....?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> bary: not really iirc they give you the commands/packages to look for
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> Tom-_-: stop.
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> quit
[01:49] <Tom-_-> i cant
[01:49] <Tom-_-> they taste so goood
[01:50] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: please join #kubuntu-offtopic and ask them
[01:50] <Hawkwind> bary: You think it's too hard to read and copy/paste the commands that it tells you ?
[01:50] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: Please watch the language
[01:50] <Tom-_-> i cant
[01:50] <junkphreak> hey hawkwind :}
[01:50] <Tom-_-> i spoke english
[01:50] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: You can't what ?
[01:51] <Hawkwind> junkphreak: Hey there
[01:51] <Hawkwind> !language
[01:51] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:51] <Tom-_-> how can i watch what language i speak?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> !language
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> bary: everything worth doing takes effort. :)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> eh
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: No need for the cussing
[01:51] <Tom-_-> i dont get it
[01:51] <Tom-_-> oh
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: dont push your luck
[01:51] <Tom-_-> why didnt u say so
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: I did
[01:51] <karanga> Assuming I have installed a second hdd formatted it and mounted it. Can I move (any) (some) or (none) of the original folders setup in the installation?
[01:51] <junkphreak> he did
[01:51] <Hawkwind> Hence the....watch your language
[01:51] <Tom-_-> no u said watch my language
[01:51] <bary> guys your right and i really like to learn tnx for your help
[01:51] <Tom-_-> you never said not to cuss
[01:51] <Tom-_-> huge diffrence
[01:52] <Hawkwind> Tom-_-: You know what that means, please don't argue or press your luck
[01:52] <seth> karanga: you may edit /etc/fstab and move the mountpoints for things like /boot or /etc
[01:52] <Tom-_-> no i dont
[01:52] <junkphreak> its pretty normal not to cus in any public irc server :}
[01:52] <gnomefreak> Tom-_-: join #kubuntu-offtopic this has gone way off topic
[01:52] <seth> hawkwind, english is not his first language, give him a break, he didn't understand the idiom "watch your language"
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> Okay, point taken - lets not fill up my HD with logfiles about not cussing :p
[01:52] <karanga> seth: thanks again
[01:52] <seth> cheers karanga
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: you have gmail?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Yeppers
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: try to get into it please
[01:53] <Tom-_-> see seth uunderstand
[01:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I was just using it about 2 minutes ago
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ack
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:53] <Hawkwind> No problem
[01:54] <seth> karanga: you may find this useful... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MoveMountpointHowto
[01:56] <karanga> seth: thanks - how does Ubuntu afford to send out Ubuntu CD for free by the way? It must cost them a fortune.
[01:58] <seth> karanga, Mark Shuttleworth foots the bill-- the CDs aren't actually that expensive, it's the shipping :)
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> The amount of the cost of the cd's is nothing compared to the amount of work done by debian (which he effectively gets for free)
[01:58] <karanga> Well I'm more than taken with Ubuntu and especially the support which you get left right and centre. So glad I formatted XP for this.
[02:00] <karanga> Still it's a very nice touch - M$ could take a leaf out of the installation process, way ahead of M$ in my opinion
[02:01] <balonio> I have a noob question regarding gcc 4.0
[02:01] <pierreth> Is it possible to switch the Cancel and OK button in KDE?
[02:01] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:02] <balonio> I'm trying to compile a basic :hello world program, and Im getting errors
[02:04] <shadowr3d> Thats great balonio
[02:04] <karanga> Does anyone know if there is there a shortcut keystroke to switch workspaces?
[02:05] <shadowr3d>  alt-tab
[02:05] <shadowr3d> try it
[02:05] <karanga> shadowr3d: that just seems to switch between apps
[02:05] <shadowr3d> Karanga its alt-tab
[02:06] <shadowr3d> o
[02:06] <_bender_> How would I uninstall a program (using FireFox as example appy since managed to get it installed...so why not try uninstalling it now)
[02:06] <balonio> do a google search for keybaord shortcuts kde... that's how I found them
[02:06] <karanga> ok ta
[02:06] <nagyv> karanga: you can set your own (and find out the actual ones under system settings.
[02:06] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:06] <karanga> hehe polite way of saying rtfm lol
[02:06] <nagyv> _bender_: how did you installed it? via adept?
[02:07] <nagyv> _bender_: if it's a normal debian package (.deb extension) then you can uninstall it with adept
[02:07] <shadowr3d> Anyone know what katapult is?
[02:07] <_bender_> I installed it via sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:07] <nagyv> shadowr3d: yeah, it's a cool app! :)
[02:07] <Hawkwind> !katapult
[02:07] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[02:07] <shadowr3d> ok
[02:07] <shadowr3d> thanks
[02:07] <balonio> Its ctrl+alt+"arrow key"
[02:08] <seth> karanga, you can set one up in SystemSettings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts > "Walk Through Desktops"
[02:08] <nagyv> _bender_: use adept to uninstall it (and also to install packages if you don't know their names
[02:08] <_bender_> Ah kk, but is there a long way to do the uninstall (if Adept ever doesn't work...unless it always does then nm)
[02:09] <balonio> Anyone have experience with GCC4.0?
[02:09] <nagyv> apt-get remove packagename
[02:09] <nagyv> _bender_:
[02:09] <shadowr3d> WOW OMG THAT IS SO COOL I NEVER KNEW THAT thanks ubotu now i know what katapult is
[02:09] <_bender_> ah kk
[02:09] <nagyv> I would like to repartition an usb connected external hdd, but qtparted always says: "Critical error during ped_disk_new". What does it mean?
[02:10] <_bender_> Seems alot easier than I remember...since thought uninstalling/installing apps was nightmarish on Linux
[02:10] <seth> _bender_, nope... package management is beautiful
[02:10] <shadowr3d> nagyu
[02:10] <nagyv> _bender_: I think it's just an urban legend :)
[02:10] <seth> _bender_, just don't try to compile and install apps yourself unless you know what you're doing... you'll most likely never get them uninstalled :)
[02:10] <shadowr3d> if noboby answers you its because they dont know or dont want to help you
[02:10] <_bender_> lol ah well that's what I have irc for :D
[02:11] <_bender_> and yah..probably an urban legend...but the last time tried Linux (Slax...wee...) it didn't go quite as well
[02:11] <seth> shadowr3d, that is why he is continuing to ask, in case someone new has come in who knows the answer (or returned from afk)
[02:12] <shadowr3d> what else is cool on kubuntu besides the games and wine and katapult and amarok
[02:12] <shadowr3d> ok
[02:12] <balonio> um, yeah.... plus I'm tying to regiter so I can private msg
[02:12] <balonio> REGISTER
[02:12] <nagyv> how could I repartition a drive?
[02:12] <serishema> hi kubuntu newbie here looking for help
[02:12] <_bender_> Aren't we all :o
[02:12] <seth> nagyv, destructively or non?
[02:13] <shadowr3d> rezise it and pick how many gigs you want it to have
[02:13] <nagyv> seth: non
[02:13] <serishema> everything worked fine until i tried to set up dual monitors
[02:13] <serishema> at which point X will only work in recovery mode
[02:13] <serishema> i tried editing my /etc/X11/Xorg.conf by hand as i would in freebsd
[02:13] <nagyv> shadowr3d: which program?
[02:13] <serishema> but that didn't work the X configuration seems to be stored somewhere else
[02:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> nagyv, have you googled on that error?
[02:13] <seth> nagyv, I'd try gparted... it has always given me better results than qtparted
[02:13] <shadowr3d> what do you mean
[02:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> just copy the error message into google and search, best way to find answers
[02:14] <shadowr3d> oh yeah
[02:14] <seth> nagyv, make sure your disk is unmounted before attempting
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> 99.9% chance you aren't the only one having problems and someone else has posted about it
[02:14] <nagyv> Telroth_Plushie|: thx
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> 80% chance someone replied to him with how to fix it ;)
[02:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> *then
[02:15] <shadowr3d> does someone know any cool apps on kubuntu besides wine amarok and katapult?
[02:15] <balonio> its something  basic.... cant find stdio.h
[02:15] <serishema> if you are into programming try out sun studio
[02:15] <shadowr3d> whats that
[02:16] <serishema> it's the reason i'm switching it's better than visual studio
[02:16] <balonio> very frustrating
[02:16] <serishema> sun's C/C++ and java development tools
[02:17] <shadowr3d> any other kool apps get it k-ool because of kde always has k
[02:17] <balonio> how do you tell gcc where the libraries are? I thought that is what #include <"library"> is for... is syntax wrong?
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> balonio: Install the libc headers
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> libc6-dev
[02:18] <balonio> how do I tell if they are installed?
[02:18] <balonio> aren't they there by default?
[02:19] <balonio> I'm gonna check apt get right now......
[02:20] <shadowr3d> does someone know any cool apps on kubuntu besides wine amarok and katapult?
[02:20] <Strider> Anyone care to help out a complete linux newbie?
[02:21] <shadowr3d> sure
[02:21] <_bender_> Hmm...trying to setup the workgroup from my XP machines with Kubuntu, but when: Internet & Network /// Sharing /// it's got a big red outline around the greyed out features (even after entering in the admin password...)
[02:21] <Strider> I do I log into the admin account for I can have write access to some of the system files?
[02:21] <shadowr3d> ?
[02:22] <balonio> thanks shadowr3d, they wern't installed....
[02:22] <shadowr3d> what do you mean balonio
[02:22] <Strider> I'm trying to edit the etc/apt/sources.list file, but I don't have write access. I want to know how I can get write access for I can edit that file :).
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Strider: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:23] <Hawkwind> Strider: Replace kwrite with your favorite GUI editor of choice
[02:23] <Strider> Okay, thank you.
[02:23] <shadowr3d> balonio:what do you mean??????
[02:24] <serishema> I can't find anything on the net
[02:25] <serishema> looks like i have no option but to reinstall
[02:25] <balonio> Shadowr3d, that was it! thanks man... Now it's off to geek heaven for a while
[02:26] <nagyv> hm, I have a 120Gb hdd, with the first 24Gbs free. qtparted gives up an error message, and gparted shows the whole thing as unallocated. Any ideas to resize the second partition to get the whole hdd?
[02:26] <shadowr3d> what do you mean balonio;
[02:27] <Karanga> is there a webpage that points you to the 'best' linux apps for certain apps? e.g. amarok highly recommended as a media player ?
[02:27] <balonio> Your solution, I didn't have the libraries installed... I just did and my program compiles
[02:28] <nagyv> Karanga: I have found such a page once, but don't remember. I think there was a windows equivalent too. Hope this will help to google!
[02:28] <balonio> It is such a basic program so I knew it was something simple
[02:28] <seth> Karanga, one second
[02:28] <shadowr3d> i wasnt the one who helped you balonio sorry
[02:28] <Karanga> I see the light at the end of the tunnel :o)
[02:28] <shadowr3d> i cant take credit for someone elses work
[02:29] <balonio> Sorry, man Helspawn, wron 733t name... lol!!!!!!!!
[02:29] <balonio> well shit, then TIA!
[02:30] <balonio> Did you get that Hellspawn?
[02:30] <balonio> I'm still laughing
[02:30] <shadowr3d> lol
[02:31] <balonio> The messages, captain, they are coming fast and furious...
[02:31] <seth> Karanga, http://www.in.redhat.com/AppComparisonList.php3 is one
[02:32] <Karanga> seth: thanks once again! do you come in a pocket booklet version :o)
[02:32] <seth> :P
[02:33] <Karanga> Do I need to uninstall Konqueror to stop it taking hold of every web link?
[02:35] <Karanga> seth: thanks for that link - just what I was looking for! alot is obvious but so many others I will have to try later.
[02:36] <plugs> does anyone know a good program for mounting .iso's?
[02:36] <seth> Karanga, SystemSettings > KDE Components > Web Browser
[02:36] <seth> Karanga, make sure you install Firefox via Adept, and not by downloading it manually
[02:38] <angasule> to download the sources of a package I should search for packagename-source , right?
[02:38] <angasule> !source
[02:38] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:38] <Karanga> seth: stupid Q but are you running ubuntu? I know I am in Kubntu but i thought the version were just for different user types and not distro's. Donning my flame suit as we speak hehe
[02:38] <angasule> !easysource
[02:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:39] <seth> Karanga, I run Kubuntu on both machines... edgy on my dev box and dapper on this one
[02:40] <seth> angasule, to get source you should run "apt-get source packagename"
[02:40] <angasule> seth: thanks :)
[02:40] <seth> angasule, you will need package dpkg-dev first :)
[02:41] <unclemike> ? how do i detect sound card
[02:41] <dero> can someone help me?
[02:42] <seth> dero, just ask... don't ask to ask ;)
[02:42] <dero> lol
[02:43] <dero> i'm trying to get wine to work with my cd rom drive
[02:43] <dero> the problem is there is no config file
[02:43] <Karanga> seth: just googled the difference - so there is nothing different under the skin just startx visuals ( although you seem to champion k*)
[02:43] <dero> so i can't add drives
[02:44] <Karanga> Anyone have screenshot site of Kubuntu and Ubuntu? (*goes red^* I thought K*ubuntu was used for education for some strange reason). I will be in the corner hiding!
[02:44] <seth> Karanga, the thing with Linux is that you run a "window manager" on top of linux itself
[02:44] <deeo> Karanga: edubuntu?
[02:45] <seth> Linux is WM-agnostic, unlike Windows, where the window manager *is* the OS
[02:45] <dero> BAHHHH !!!!! I WANT WINE TO WORK!
[02:45] <seth> Karanga, OSDir has the best screenshots
[02:45] <seth> dero, your best bet is winehq
[02:45] <dero> i been there for hours
[02:45] <seth> :(
[02:46] <deeo> dero, you don't need a config file.
[02:46] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:46] <dero> they say edit the config file when i isntalled wine with adept it didn't come with one
[02:46] <deeo> ln -s /dev/cdrom "~/.wine/dos_devices/c:"
[02:46] <deeo> that's the old method, and it still works
[02:46] <_bender__> brb
[02:47] <deeo> but now those devices are just referenced by symlink in that directory
[02:47] <Karanga> deeo: that would make a lot of sense but make me out to be a real retart lol - OK i give in i messed up! - I am slowly -- very slowly getting to grips with *ux. Thanks Seth and  deeo I get it a little more now
[02:47] <deeo> actually you probably want f: instead of c:
[02:47] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:47] <dero> ok i'm trying to run Red alert 2 when i open autorun it asks me for a cd also when i open set.exe
[02:47] <dero> setup*
[02:48] <dero> i think i give up and gona load windows again :(
[02:48] <deeo> good plan.
[02:49] <dero> deeo cleary you can help me, will you?
[02:49] <Karanga> What's the best primer exam to take in Ubuntu?
[02:49] <shadowr3d> try going to wine website and see what works under wine in the reviews
[02:49] <deeo> if you have win32, i suggest you use that.
[02:49] <dero> i'd much rather use this though
[02:50] <deeo> okay, then i'd suggest asking the wine pros in #winehq
[02:50] <shadowr3d> like i said look at the what works in red alert 2 ine the wine web
[02:50] <shadowr3d> yeah
[02:50] <shadowr3d> or try what i said
[02:50] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok
[02:51] <seth> ogg should play by default
[02:51] <dero> is there a gui for wine, with fadora the wine come with a gui and its easy just to add a cd rom drive can i download one somewhere?
[02:51] <unclemike> ? what command do i use to detect sound card
[02:51] <shadowr3d> what about aud?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> dero: Have you talked to the guys in #WineHQ ?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> dero: Those guys are truly the experts and could help you the best
[02:51] <plugs> shadowr3d have you tried sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:51] <shadowr3d> try #winehq
[02:51] <Hawkwind> unclemike: Look in systemsettings
[02:52] <dero> i don't want to wait days for a reply
[02:52] <shadowr3d> no i havent ill try
[02:52] <deeo> dero
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Linux is about patience
[02:52] <deeo> would you ask in #microsoft about photoshop
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Without, you won't get far
[02:52] <deeo> no, so please don't expect too much in #kubuntu about wine :)
[02:52] <Hawkwind> dero: Also, try looking at their website, winehq.org or .com whatever it is
[02:52] <dero> i have patience no one replyed when i aked on ubuntu forums to get my winmodem to work
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: Have you searched google, and other forums ?
[02:53] <dero> yes
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: There are tons of docs out there.  You just have to put forth the effort to read
[02:53] <dero> i searched for 2 hours and gave up so i came here now u's are sauing me to search more, bit harsh i think.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> !wine
[02:53] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> Read that page there
[02:53] <plugs> in windows i can mount an iso to a virtual drive, can this be done in linux?
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Reading package lists... Done
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:53] <shadowr3d> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:53] <shadowr3d> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:53] <shadowr3d> is only available from another source
[02:53] <shadowr3d> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[02:53] <Hawkwind> dero: Linux is all about reading when you can't find someone that knows the answer
[02:53] <Hawkwind> !paste
[02:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:53] <shadowr3d> thats what it said
[02:53] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[02:54] <shadowr3d> sorry
[02:54] <deeo> plugs: easily.  sudo mount /path/to/isofile.iso /media/cdrom0 -o loop
[02:54] <dero> when i find a doc it says add bah  bah bah to config file when i got wine from adept it didn't come with a config file
[02:54] <shadowr3d> im sorry about that everyone
[02:54] <shadowr3d> please accept my apologies
[02:54] <deeo> plugs: does that help at all?
[02:54] <plugs> deeo about the /media/cdrom0 part
[02:54] <plugs> i already have something there i think
[02:54] <deeo> no problem
[02:55] <plugs> i'll just try it
[02:55] <deeo> that piece can be any directory you want to mount to
[02:55] <deeo> you can put it in your home directory if you prefer
[02:55] <plugs> i see
[02:55] <deeo> mkdir LoopbackDisc
[02:55] <deeo> for example
[02:55] <shadowr3d> plugs:thats what it said when i did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:55] <dero> "<Hawkwind> dero: Linux is all about reading when you can't find someone that knows the answer" i tryed reading, deeo knowns the answer, he won't tell me.
[02:55] <plugs> shadowr3d i'm not sure what to do, sorry
[02:56] <shadowr3d> oh thatsok
[02:56] <eaglehawk> anybody... is socks support built-in in the kubuntu or we need to install any software
[02:56] <deeo> eaglehawk: socks is sort-of program-centric, but KDE has a unified socks proxy setup, yes.
[02:56] <Hawkwind> dero: Then that's why you really need to talk to the guys who make the program.  They can help you the best
[02:57] <dero> pffft
[02:57] <deeo> dero, pay me <3
[02:57] <dero> i would help you guys if you need help
[02:57] <dero> bye
[02:57] <deeo> i hate spending my time on a lazy person.
[02:57] <eaglehawk> but when i click test...is says socks not loaded
[02:58] <dero> how am i lazy i cleary avioding asking people by searching the net and u can help me but can't
[02:58] <deeo> eaglehawk: well socks is sorta touchy that way, let me take a look.
[02:58] <shadowr3d>  does anyone else know how to get a aud and an ogg sound to play on amarok?
[02:58] <plugs> deeo it looks like it worked, but it looks like it's just two folders. how can i treat it as a real dvd drive?
[02:58] <deeo> dero: because i got that answer for you by googling it.
[02:58] <shadowr3d> o wait ill ask amarok no duh
[02:58] <deeo> dero: i really have no idea.
[02:58] <dero> what did you search
[02:58] <deeo> plugs: it is real, in what context do you need 'real'?
[02:59] <eaglehawk> sorry deeo didnot get you
[02:59] <deeo> dero: http://eliduc.berlios.de/index.php/StarCraft_Linux
[02:59] <dero> thank you
[02:59] <Hawkwind> dero: We gave you URL's to read and follow.  Why can you not follow them ?
[02:59] <plugs> deeo it's a movie i made an iso of so how could i treat it as a dvd?
[03:00] <Hawkwind> dero: If I used the app or knew about it, I'd tell you what to do. But I've never once used wine for anything
[03:00] <deeo> plugs: ah, you don't even really need to mount it in that case.
[03:00] <plugs> well i tried just clicking it but it opened in k3b and kaffeine didnt play it
[03:00] <deeo> a video DVD becomes VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS i believe, if you want to play it, just use your fave media player and hit 'play disc'
[03:01] <plugs> deeo, play disc then pick the iso?
[03:01] <deeo> Open DVD didn't play?
[03:01] <deeo> was there an error?
[03:01] <plugs> i dont know if i tried ._. i'll try right now
[03:01] <plugs> i added it to the playlist
[03:01] <deeo> well, a DVD has its own playlist internally
[03:01] <plugs> right that makes sense now
[03:02] <deeo> so, for SOCKS you need to have a socks library at least
[03:02] <plugs> i clicked open dvd and got "The source can't be read."
[03:02] <deeo> i suggest dante
[03:02] <eaglehawk> where to get it man
[03:02] <deeo> plugs: is this a commercial DVD?
[03:02] <deeo> eaglehawk: adept
[03:02] <plugs> yeah
[03:02] <dero> ok the link you just send me is about the config file the command winecfg kubuntu wine didn't come with this file, what did you search about the symlinks
[03:02] <deeo> plugs: in that case, it's probably encrypted
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: What config file is it wanting/needing ?
[03:03] <plugs> well i think it was just looking in /dev/dvd
[03:03] <deeo> and that isn't where the dvd device is?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: First off...did you run the 'winecfg' command ?
[03:03] <dero> ./wine/config <-- should be there, its not. didn't coem with it, i can't add cd rom drive
[03:03] <Hawkwind> dero: It seems that that command is what creates the config file possibly
[03:03] <deeo> dero, that file is OLD and NOT USED ANYMORE
[03:04] <dero> ok
[03:04] <deeo> ln -s /dev/dvd ~/.wine/dos_devices/e:
[03:04] <deeo> do that
[03:04] <deeo> just that
[03:04] <deeo> try again
[03:04] <dero> ok
[03:04] <deeo> and please, stop nagging.
[03:04] <Hawkwind> deeo: Ahhhh, so you know about wine.  Good good :P
[03:04] <deeo> that's the answer, you have the wrong problem if it doesn't work.
[03:04] <deeo> Hawkwind: no, i just googled FOR that guy.
[03:04] <deeo> i'm reading it off a spanish wine page about starcraft
[03:05] <Hawkwind> deeo: Shoot me the URL you found please
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh
[03:05] <Hawkwind> I don't speak spanish, so nevermind
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:05] <deeo> me either.
[03:05] <deeo> i speak unix commands
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Hmmmm, surely winehq.org has the commands
[03:05] <Hawkwind> deeo: Unixnese :P
[03:05] <deeo> they're all over the place :/
[03:05] <deeo> eaglehawk: just search for 'dante'
[03:05] <_bender__> When using Adept does it remove all the dependencies that the program installed or does it leave those behind?
[03:05] <jarrster> i'm having problems playing mp3s
[03:05] <deeo> i've never used it before, so as far as setting that up goes, i can't help you.
[03:05] <jarrster> any help?
[03:06] <deeo> jarrster: you probably want akode
[03:06] <Hawkwind> !mp3
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Have you read those pages there yet ?
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: By default, Kubuntu doesn't have mp3 playback support
[03:06] <jarrster> not yet
[03:06] <jarrster> thanks
[03:06] <Hawkwind> jarrster: So you have to install a few things, which the RestrictedFormats page describes
[03:07] <jarrster> alright cool, i should be able to figure that out
[03:07] <deeo> plugs, any luck?
[03:07] <jarrster> i also am having a problem with mounting my maxtor onetouch external
[03:09] <plugs> deeo i pm'ed you that i couldnt find package decss
[03:09] <deeo> plugs: ah, you need to have universe and/or multiverse repositories in your adept source
[03:10] <plugs> i'm pretty shure i do though
[03:10] <plugs> i have my sources.list right here and i just did apt-get update
[03:10] <deeo> hm, not sure then.
[03:10] <plugs> "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse"
[03:10] <deeo> maybe i have the name wrong
[03:10] <plugs> i think that might be it
[03:11] <deeo> libdvdread/libdvdcss.
[03:11] <angasule> why is automake 1.4 installed, and not a newer version? I tried to compile a KDE app and it says KDE requires automake 1.6 or higher
[03:11] <deeo> one of those, actually.
[03:12] <deeo> angasule: no reason, install automake1.9 if you'd like.
[03:12] <angasule> deeo: ok, thanks
[03:12] <plugs> deeo "libdvdcss2 is already the newest version."
[03:12] <plugs> X| lol
[03:12] <deeo> plugs: well thats good
[03:12] <plugs> hmmmm
[03:14] <jarrster> hey hawkwind, some of the files i need to download aren't available on the adept manager
[03:15] <deeo> jarrster: did you setup your repositories?
[03:15] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Have you setup all your repos like multiverse, universe ?
[03:15] <Hawkwind> !repos
[03:15] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:15] <jarrster> i will now, thanks guys
[03:16] <deeo> y'know i should probably be working.
[03:16] <deeo> cheerio all
[03:18] <plugs> deeo it's somewhat working
[03:18] <plugs> i got it playing in MPlayer
[03:18] <plugs> but it's freaking out a bit
[03:19] <deeo> cool, try xine then i suppose
[03:19] <eaglehawk> anybody how know how to make pen work on tabletpc
[03:19] <deeo> are you playing it with: mplayer dvd://
[03:20] <deeo> eaglehawk: i'd do it via the event interface, but i'm crazy like that.
[03:22] <plugs> i don't know what i'm doing
[03:22] <plugs> i'll try xine
[03:22] <_bender__> hmm kk will admit falling for Kubuntu
[03:22] <_bender__> The urban legends of hell and fire and all that were false :o
[03:23] <DaSkreech> _bender__: The KK<3K ?
[03:24] <_bender__> lol <3 for the K
[03:26] <eaglehawk> anybody how to access microsoft windows share in kubuntu
[03:26] <_bender__> I've been wondering that too
[03:26] <_bender__> Gaining access to the rest of the network would be good :p
[03:26] <Hawkwind> eaglehawk: You can use samba
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> smbmount
[03:26] <_bender__> Samba come with Kubuntu or?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> You can install it
[03:27] <_bender__> Ah kk, shoudl be easy enough
[03:27] <Hawkwind> !samba
[03:27] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:27] <eaglehawk> but do I need some configuration to make my share accessable to network
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Good how-to there
[03:27] <_bender__> Ah thx :D
[03:29] <DaSkreech> _bender__: Try typing smb:/ in konqueror
[03:29] <_bender__> hmm kk
[03:30] <deeo> it's such a bummer that Mono is part of Gnome...
[03:30] <_bender__> Ah didn't come up with anything
[03:30] <bioticpro> whats a good program to make animated gifs from mpg/avi clips?
[03:31] <deeo> ffmpeg, mplayer, sorta
[03:31] <deeo> see, first you split it into a bunch of Targas, or GIFs
[03:31] <Darius[TEA] > morning
[03:31] <deeo> then recombine them all into a gif using... *calls upon the powers of Captain Planet to remember, light shafts beaming from his fingertips*
[03:32] <deeo> damn, can't remember.  but there's a little project for doing just that, somewhere.  gifcombine or something.
[03:32] <deeo> g'mourning
[03:33] <omostr> good night
[03:33] <jarrster> what does it mean if under install i get a "break" message when using adept
[03:33] <jarrster> ??
[03:34] <tyler_d> my movies are all lagging?
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> deeo: Know of any distro's who don't include mono (on principle ?)
[03:36] <jarrster> hey hawkwind, i keep getting a "break" message when I try to download some of the files
[03:36] <_bender__> Looking at the Samba download site and not see'ing Ubuntu listed..this mean am gonna have to use source or is there another "package" type that Ubuntu can open?
[03:37] <bioticpro> deeo: thx
[03:38] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Can you put into http://pastebin.ulteo.us your error messages ?
[03:38] <InteliWasp> can someone help my figure out why i can't use the GUI?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> InteliWasp: You need a mouse
[03:38] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: What do you mean by GUI....GUI of what exactly ?
[03:38] <InteliWasp> ... let me rephrase that....
[03:39] <InteliWasp> i just updated some pakages in adept, and after rebooting my monitor sudenly turnes off...
[03:40] <InteliWasp> *during the boot proccess
[03:40] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: What all got upgraded, and are you using any compiz/xgl stuff ?
[03:40] <nick_> what program is the most popular for configuring and maintaining wireless profiles?
[03:40] <jarrster> what language is the code?
[03:41] <Hawkwind> jarrster: Select none as it's plain text
[03:41] <Hawkwind> nick_: kwifimanager ?
[03:41] <marte> hello, can i talk with any hacker here?
[03:41] <nick_> well i just installed that, but i also installed wifi-radar
[03:42] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: i'm not shure what i updated since there were 140 some odd pakages that were updated (ie: i walked away...) but this is all stock
[03:42] <Hawkwind> marte: What do you mean by 'hacker'
[03:42] <DaSkreech> marte: Sure just abbable away
[03:42] <nick_> and i was wondering which worked the best...there are so many programs
[03:42] <DaSkreech> babble even
[03:42] <Hawkwind> nick_: I can't answer that since I don't use wireless.  But I'd suggest trying them all and see what you like best
[03:42] <nick_> Hawkwind: ok thanks
[03:43] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Hmmm, maybe you got a bad xorg update ?
[03:43] <angasule> hmm, automake points to automake-1.4, is it safe to make it point to automake-1.9? as I don't see how to tell kdevelop to use automake-1.9 directly
[03:43] <Hawkwind> angasule: You could remove automake-1.4 if you wanted to
[03:43] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: i wonder if the video card is putting out a signal that is too high for the crapy monitor i have...
[03:44] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Did you change monitors ?
[03:44] <InteliWasp> nope
[03:44] <angasule> thanks, Hawkwind, will do
[03:45] <Darius[TEA] > so, I'm trying to port some code to linux and I have kubuntu installed in vmware..
[03:45] <marte> sorry
[03:45] <Darius[TEA] > can anyone suggest why the #include's mention in various man pages don't appear to be correct?
[03:47] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: is there a way to redetect the hardware and rewrite the configs?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: You could run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:48] <nagyv> how can I delete ALL the files from a disk? (somthing like format c)
[03:48] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: if i run that as root, will it effect the user's configs as well?
[03:49] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: That will reset your xorg.conf file for you
[03:49] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any experence with wireless and ipw2200 ?
[03:49] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: how do i send irissi to the background...
[03:50] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: nevermind... i'll just leave and come back
[03:51] <deeo> Darius[TEA] : such as which?
[03:51] <soulrider> hey everyone =)
[03:53] <osiris> how do i enable playback for realplayer in firefox with kubuntu
[03:59] <shadowhywind> any body have any tips for ipw2200 wireless driver?
[04:02] <Hawkwind> shadowhywind: Not I since I don't use wireless in Kubuntu
[04:02] <Hawkwind> !ipw2200
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <Hawkwind> !wireless
[04:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:03] <shadowhywind> thanks
[04:03] <shadowhywind> heres another question, how about the broadcom bcwm4311 driver and ndiswrapper?
[04:04] <shadowhywind> i had it working yesterday, reinstalled kubuntu used the same drivers and now it don't work
[04:05] <deeo> is your wifi light on?
[04:06] <deeo> (laptop?)
[04:06] <shadowhywind> yes laptop, ndiswrapper is givving off erros
[04:06] <deeo> which errors
[04:07] <shadowhywind> should i spam paste them here?
[04:07] <deeo> !paste
[04:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:08] <shadowhywind> k the link is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22974
[04:09] <deeo> but you installed a driver for it?
[04:09] <shadowhywind> yes, ndiswrapper shows the driver and hardware present
[04:09] <deeo> well, make sure your wifi button is on, if you have one.
[04:10] <shadowhywind> it is on
[04:10] <deeo> i'd also lookup specific model details on that laptop, pertaining to wifi
[04:10] <shadowhywind> well thats the thing, there isn't much info *kind of a new laptop* but i don't understand why the driver wouldn't work seinse it worked in a previous install
[04:11] <jaytee> wow! this chat room is pretty full
[04:12] <DaSkreech> jaytee: Ssshhhhh You'll wake them
[04:12] <Jucato> lol
[04:12] <Jucato> I'm one of those who was awakened :)
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Good morning!
[04:13] <Jucato> good um...
[04:13] <Jucato> yep morning :)
[04:13] <junkphreak> some one having wifi issues ?
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:14] <junkphreak> sorry i was eating
[04:14] <shadowhywind> yes i am
[04:14] <junkphreak> lol
[04:14] <shadowhywind> hehe
[04:15] <junkphreak> so what kind of laptop ?
[04:15] <shadowhywind> a) hp dv6040 and b) a dell 6000
[04:16] <shadowhywind> hp ) driver don't work in reinstall dell can't get ipw2200 to work, hehe
[04:16] <junkphreak> whats your wireless card ?
[04:16] <junkphreak> broadcom 4311 ?
[04:16] <shadowhywind> yup
[04:16] <shadowhywind> i downloaded the driver from the dell package
[04:16] <junkphreak> ok hav you used the fwcutter
[04:17] <shadowhywind> i am useing ndiswrapper
[04:17] <junkphreak> right
[04:17] <shadowhywind> so no i ahven't used fwcutter
[04:17] <junkphreak> let me find the info might have to pop on my work laptop
[04:18] <junkphreak> found some good help sites got me going
[04:19] <shadowhywind> oh?
[04:19] <junkphreak> will need to email them to my self and will pm you
[04:20] <junkphreak> also if i had timr need to make a howto and my script for init.d and rc.d to work on boot
[04:21] <junkphreak> got tired of opening the kwifimanager and hitting connect
[04:22] <shadowhywind> see what i allways did was had a shell wpa line to get mine workin
[04:22] <junkphreak> so you using wpa ?
[04:22] <shadowhywind> yah
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !KPlayer
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KPlayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !K Player
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about K Player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <shadowhywind> i had everything working, but then i reinstalled and now can't get anything working
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Hmmmmm
[04:23] <Jucato> !kmplayer > CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi
[04:23] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Jucato:  that the same thing as KPlayer?
[04:24] <Jucato> I think so, not exactly sure though. but that's the only "K"+"player" that we have in the repositories, AFAIK
[04:24] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Hmmm  ok
[04:24] <junkphreak> whats your email address
[04:24] <junkphreak> shadowwhywind
[04:25] <shadowhywind> not going to sell it for spam are you *snickers*
[04:25] <junkphreak> lol
[04:25] <junkphreak> no pm me
[04:26] <shadowhywind> *don't know how to do that in konversation
[04:26] <Jucato> shadowhywind: just click on his name, and if you're nick is registered, you'll be able to send a PM
[04:27] <shadowhywind> that worked.. hehe
[04:27] <shadowhywind> did you get that message junkphreak?
[04:27] <RawSewage> where are fonts located
[04:27] <shadowhywind> .font in your home dir
[04:27] <RawSewage> ty
[04:27] <Jucato> RawSewage: try typing in "fonts:/" in Konqueror
[04:28] <Jucato> but that's just a kio slave. but very useful for drag and drop...
[04:28] <junkphreak> npe
[04:28] <shadowhywind> try to send me a pm and see if that works
[04:30] <shadowhywind> you know, i don't really care that much, use daritha@gmail.com
[04:30] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !WMV
[04:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:30] <junkphreak> shadowwhywind http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22975
[04:31] <junkphreak> lol now :p
[04:31] <junkphreak> ok ?
[04:32] <RawSewage> Ok, I have an anime video file, that has English and Japanese audio tracks.  What would I use to set the default audio to Japanese
[04:32] <junkphreak> ok brb
[04:35] <shadowhywind> ok looks like the first link does the bcm43xx driver *which doesn't work* so going to look at second link
[04:40] <junkphreak> i had to blacklist my kernel driver
[04:41] <shadowhywind> i wonder if thats what is causeing all my problems
[04:41] <junkphreak> # get rid of the default kernel drivers
[04:41] <shadowhywind> i ahven't done that
[04:41] <junkphreak> blacklist bcm43xx
[04:41] <shadowhywind> but at the same time its not loaded
[04:42] <junkphreak> #/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:43] <deeo> ah right.
[04:43] <deeo> forgot about that issue
[04:43] <junkphreak> :}
[04:43] <deeo> 0000:03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[04:43] <_bender__> What kernel is Ubuntu related to (package wise...)
[04:43] <shadowhywind> thank you junkphreak, i am going to reboot and see what happens
[04:43] <junkphreak> i made a simple script too to help with boot up to getonline
[04:43] <junkphreak> if you want it
[04:44] <Jucato> _bender__: Dapper has 2.6.15, Edgy has 2.6.17. Is that what you mean?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> _bender__: Dapper comes with 2.6.15-23 if that's what you are asking
[04:44] <shadowhywind> let me see if this helps, and i will see first ok?
[04:44] <shadowhywind> i shall be back
[04:44] <junkphreak> ok
[04:44] <_bender__> I'm not even sure what Dapper is yet...
[04:45] <Hawkwind> _bender__: Dapper is Kubuntu 6.06 which was released on June 1st, 2006
[04:45] <Hawkwind> _bender__: It's the latest stable version of the OS
[04:45] <junkphreak> love this #update-rc.d to incert the script for my wifi :}
[04:45] <_bender__> Ah kk, that's the one I downloaded I believe, but kk if it comes with it even better (saves me time from installing it)
[04:47] <_bender__> On a completly unrelated topic...gottay say this room=god send for using Kubuntu this time...with Slax all I had was Google
[04:47] <Jucato> Dapper Drake is the codename for Kubuntu 6.06 (and 6.06.1) LTS (Long Term Support)
[04:48] <_bender__> Ah that's what the LTS means
[04:48] <Jucato> _bender__: there are also other resources you could use like the forums, or the mailing lists. be sure to check out the wiki and online docs as they provide invaluable information :)
[04:49] <pterandon> hello.
[04:49] <pterandon> I need to know how to make a symbolic link
[04:49] <_bender__> Yah, got both up as we speak too lol, but reallyyy like real time answers :)
[04:49] <junkphreak> ln -s
[04:49] <junkphreak> what you ned to link ?
[04:50] <pterandon> http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55830#55830
[04:50] <Jucato> oooo blendah! :)
[04:50] <Hawkwind> pterandon: ln -s /old/path /new/path
[04:50] <pterandon> Look at "Linny's" advice.    To make blender work on kubuntu, you gott a do that.
[04:51] <shadowhywind> so guess what that didn't work
[04:51] <pterandon> no, I just didn't know to do that.
[04:51] <junkphreak> lol hawkwind your to fast
[04:51] <junkphreak> i was reading darnit
[04:51] <Jucato> pterandon: so you're experiencing this kind of problem, using ATI?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> junkphreak: No need to read, I'm experienced :P
[04:52] <pterandon> Well, I get crashes like they describe.  But I'm too dense even to figure out what directories they ln -s'ed.
[04:52] <junkphreak> no i was reading the link :p
[04:52] <Jucato> pterandon: but you are using ATI? (since the "fix" seems to apply only to ATI)
[04:52] <junkphreak> he posted
[04:52] <shadowhywind> so any other ideas junkphreak
[04:53] <Jucato> actually it's more than just making a symlink, but actually correcting a broken link...
[04:53] <junkphreak> well whats all been done
[04:54] <pterandon> sorry, can someone keystroke it out for me?
[04:54] <Hawkwind> pterandon: What kind of video card do you have ?
[04:54] <pterandon> umm, dunno.
[04:54] <Jucato> pterandon: err... that's gonna be a problem...
[04:55] <Jucato> coz Linny's "fix" is meant for ATI video card users
[04:55] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Do you have Nvidia, ATI or onboard ?
[04:55] <pterandon> I wouldda guessed nvidia. is there a quick way to check?
[04:56] <Jucato> AFAIK, Nvidia doesn't have a /usr/lib/nvidia/lib directory, everything stops at /usr/lib/nvidia...
[04:56] <junkphreak> dmesg
[04:56] <junkphreak> in term
[04:56] <Jucato> er.. wouldn't lspci work as well?
[04:56] <junkphreak> yea
[04:57] <Hawkwind> lspci | grep video
[04:57] <pterandon>  nVidia Corporation NV18
[04:57] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Then you don't need that how-to.  It won't help you
[04:58] <pterandon> wah :(  thanks anway
[04:58] <pterandon> the problem is that when I go to a graphics-intensive operation in blender, hitting "P" in object mode, it crashes.
[04:58] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Do you have your drivers installed for nvidia ?
[04:59] <pterandon> um, a way to check?
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > pterandon: could be dud memory and/or CPU
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > or power supply
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > or motherboard :)
[04:59] <Darius[TEA] > memtest86+ is a good place to start
[04:59] <Hawkwind> pterandon: glxinfo | grep render
[04:59] <pterandon> Two boxes,  both a kubuntu and an xubuntu,  but NOT the knoppix box :P
[04:59] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Look for Yes or No  and do *not* paste all the output here
[05:00] <pterandon> Error: unable to open display (null)
[05:00] <Hawkwind> pterandon: Then chances are you don't have them installed
[05:00] <pterandon> ah!
[05:00] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > pterandon
[05:00] <Hawkwind> IIRC you need the video drivers for blender or it just won't work
[05:00] <Jucato> you need hardware 3d acceleration for blender...
[05:01] <Hawkwind> That's what I thought
[05:01] <Jucato> :)
[05:08] <[Relic] > anyone awake?
[05:08] <junkphreak> boo!
[05:08] <Jucato> (-_-) zzZZzzzzz
[05:09] <[Relic] > how does one replace a base system package w/o getting everything else unistalled to update it to something slightly more up to date aka  ->  v0.9.7  to 1.6.7
[05:10] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :  have ya tried apt-get update?
[05:10] <shadowhywind> so junkphreak - any other ideaas to get this working?
[05:11] <junkphreak> well just read he links is how i got it working did you blacklist your kernel driver ?
[05:11] <shadowhywind> yah did that and restarted
[05:11] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :   ??
[05:12] <[Relic] > adpet says there isn't an upgrade available
[05:12] <[Relic] > adept  :)
[05:12] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : What app are you talking about ?
[05:12] <junkphreak> Hmmm sorry  dunno just read the links sorry
[05:13] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> [Relic] :  no, not adept..  in console
[05:13] <shadowhywind> and you don
[05:13] <shadowhywind> don't have any experence with the ipw2200?
[05:13] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> open terminal and type apt-get update
[05:13] <carlo_> hello
[05:13] <junkphreak> nope just the broadcom 4318 , 11
[05:14] <Jucato> CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi: that would only work if there's an update of that package available in the repositories and if he has the proper repos enabled
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> Jucato: just tryin to walk him through it.. see what he's onde..
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> gotta start somewhere
[05:14] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> *done
[05:14] <Jucato> :)
[05:15] <Jucato> we can probably start by asking him what app/package he's talking about first, right? :)
[05:15] <[Relic] > spews a bunch of text but doesn't seem to do anything else
[05:15] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> lol
[05:15] <[Relic] > hplip
[05:15] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : What app are you talking about ?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> !info hplip edgy
[05:15] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.11-2ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 2216 kB
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Heh, only 0.9.11 in Edgy.  So you will probably have to build it yourself
[05:16] <sophie_>  /quit
[05:16] <junkphreak> aww dont quit :}
[05:16] <[Relic] > figured that much but will there be problems installing it?
[05:17] <Hawkwind> [Relic] : That is something you can't really answer.  If it's built right, then no
[05:17] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> im out guys..  TTYL
[05:17] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> o/
[05:17] <[Relic] > I can't remove the current one before hand
[05:21] <_bender__> Umm...when I enter root password to get file sharing going (yes gotten that far lol) it just highlights the entire box in red yet doesn't let me adjust settings...grrr...
[05:23] <wry> ay kidz
[05:24] <_bender__> sup sup :p
[05:24] <wry> woss d' haps as they say
[05:24] <_bender__> Resolving networking issues :p but other than that all is well
[05:24] <_bender__> lol
[05:24] <wry> nice one bender
[05:25] <wry> Just installed Kubuntu.... waitin for easyubuntu to do it's thing
[05:25] <_bender__> hmmm what's Easyubuntu?
[05:26] <_bender__> Ah nm
[05:26] <DaSkreech> _bender__: have you installed samba server?
[05:26] <_bender__> *yay for google*
[05:26] <_bender__> Samba itself is installed (atleast according to Adept)
[05:26] <shadowhywind> irewater
[05:26] <_bender__> Is the server component a separate install?
[05:27] <wry> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[05:27] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[05:27] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:27] <_bender__> Once done figuring out my netowrking might take a look at that
[05:27] <DaSkreech> _bender__: What are you trying to do?
[05:28] <_bender__> I'm trying to connect this Kubuntu desktop to a Windows workgroup (already setup and working)
[05:28] <wry> nice one ubotu... I was just gunna lrt the page speak for it's self.
[05:28] <wry> Brains not warm enough yet
[05:29] <Jucato> :)
[05:30] <argonauta> kubuntu is great
[05:30] <junkphreak> sure is :}
[05:30] <_bender__> Just reading over the Ubuntu guide on configuring Samba at moment, thinking might have to go through the console to do it if the GUI is gonna be messed like this
[05:30] <Jucato> of course! :)
[05:30] <_bender__> and ohhh I agree Argo ;)
[05:31] <wry> I just switched from ubuntu... for two reasons
[05:31] <_bender__> ?
[05:31] <wry> 1. I like the K environment better
[05:32] <IceKnight> . Yourself?
[05:32] <frixhias> hello
[05:32] <wry> and 2. I was having problems with my system laggin like a mo fo as they say
[05:32] <_bender__> Ah, what kinda system Wry?
[05:32] <_bender__> And am using Kubuntu because found it a bit redundant running 2x Windows machines side by side (and becuase wanted to try Linux)
[05:33] <wry> I was hoping that it may have been because i was mostly running K apps, and therefore would be solved by switching to K
[05:33] <frixhias> anybody have use the linux->ntfs?
[05:33] <wry> Would that be a fair assumption?
[05:33] <_bender__> Would assume it is
[05:33] <_bender__> lol
[05:34] <_bender__> I think a secondary reason is because the community :P
[05:34] <wry> bender---> AMD XP+
[05:34] <_bender__> Hmmm AMD XP shoudl be enough usually...
[05:34] <_bender__> A64 ---> over there, but P3 700 MHz on this machine
[05:34] <_bender__> 733*
[05:35] <SpAwN> hell all i was told to try and install lm-sensors to help solve my prob....but i dont think that my computer has what is needed(its a year old dell) i installed lm-sensors and ran the detect command and i got this : No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them . but there is no mkdev.sh on my system
[05:35] <SpAwN> *hello
[05:35] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: What are you trying to do exactly ?
[05:35] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn, recomended me installing
[05:35] <SpAwN> so im trying to
[05:35] <wry> bender--->yeah i's not too shaby a system XP+ 1800 w 512 RAM
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> SpAwN,  load the i2c modules I think
[05:35] <SpAwN> my computer has been locking up at night
[05:35] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: What are you trying to do ?
[05:36] <_bender__> Ohh not bad, more than enough for linux
[05:36] <SpAwN> fix my comuter....somthing is broken on it
[05:36] <frixhias> nobody?
[05:36] <wry> it was workin fine to start with... but just spacked it at one stage
[05:36] <frixhias> :S
[05:36] <_bender__> Not sure what Linux>NTFS is :p
[05:36] <SpAwN> causing random lock ups
[05:36] <_bender__> sorry
[05:36] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Can you be a bit more indepth please
[05:36] <_bender__> Less you mean Linux on NTFS...
[05:36] <SpAwN> Dr_Willis, k i iwll try that thanks
[05:36] <frixhias> ahp sorry i forgot the link
[05:36] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Why do you need lm-sensors ?
[05:37] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, i will awake to my computer compleatly frozen....nno mouse no screen no keyboard works
[05:37] <notech> tested the ram?
[05:37] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, to keep an eye on temp and other things to see if i might have bad hardware
[05:37] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Why not just run gkrellm
[05:37] <SpAwN> notech, yea about a month or so ago ...b4 i reinstalled windows and installed ubuntu
[05:37] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: gkrellm doesn't need lm-sensors anymore starting with the 2.6 kernel
[05:38] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, oh damn realy?
[05:38] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, and it will tell me the same info?
[05:38] <wry> notech--> who, me?
[05:38] <notech> SpAwN: any errors during that test? how long did you let it run?
[05:38] <_bender__> brb washroom break (lest I pass out and die from abdominal issues)
[05:38] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Absolutely
[05:38] <notech> Hawkwind: i still had to use lm-sensors with 2.6
[05:38] <SpAwN> notech, well i started it then went out for a few hours.....so probly a good 4 hours
[05:38] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Look at my screenshots.  They all have gkrellm showing fan speeds and temps
[05:39] <frixhias> here: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[05:39] <Hawkwind> notech: You shouldn't.  It's not required anymore on any distro that I know of
[05:39] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, do u need any kinda special sensor or anything?
[05:39] <notech> SpAwN: i'd run it longer, but any errors in 4 hours?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Yeah.  Your system has to have temp sensors on whatever it is you want to see the temp of.  If it doesn't, lm-sensors won't help you either
[05:40] <SpAwN> notech, no.....none....i bought 2 gigs of ram about 8 months ago
[05:40] <notech> SpAwN: if your bios has the temp screen then it should work
[05:40] <[Relic] > yay!  I can print and scan now if I can remember to set up prper directories when rendering something for 6 hours so it doesn't get deleted I will be ok  :)
[05:40] <SpAwN> lm-sensors didnt detect anything
[05:41] <SpAwN> hmmm the nvida tols thing detect how hot my vidcard is...but i think its cuz i have a nice nvidia card....i use a dell...so not to sure if i will be able to use them :/
[05:41] <SpAwN> *tools
[05:41] <notech> wry: no, didn't see a question from you :)
[05:42] <notech> SpAwN: check your bios and see what it offers for temps, fan speeds, etc
[05:43] <SpAwN> ahh yea i will after i finish this....its be cool if i did have it
[05:45] <SpAwN> brb
[05:46] <wry> OK this is wierd.. I'm using all my RAM, and I'm only running this Konqueror and System load!!!
[05:46] <frixhias> something strange happend to my kubuntu I install gdesklet (superkaramba don't works well), and this thing install gnome? wtf? :S is that right?
[05:46] <wry> oops almost all not all... 480 of 512... but still lots
[05:47] <Hawkwind> wry: That's a good thing
[05:48] <Hawkwind> wry: Linux handles RAM totally opposite of how Windows does.  So the more you're using means the more things are cached, which means things will open and run faster
[05:48] <wry> Hawkind---> yeah?
[05:48] <Hawkwind> wry: The system can and will cache things the entire time your system is booted until it needs to free some to run something new
[05:48] <wry> Oh... nice one
[05:49] <Hawkwind> wry: Linux is smart like that :P
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> and people have a hard time understanding that. :P
[05:49] <wry> cheers... yeah I knew it was clever, but not that way
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: That they do.
[05:50] <wry> no wuckas... all I need to remeber is that the more RAM free the worse, yeah?
[05:51] <InteliWasp> what do i need to do to make my broadcom wireless card to work?
[05:53] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[05:53] <junkphreak> :}
[05:53] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: Take a look at that
[05:54] <junkphreak> also here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22975
[05:54] <BonBonTheJon> anyone have any experince with RAID and ubuntu
[05:54] <SpAwN> nope dont have any kinda fan info or temp or anything in my bios :/
[05:55] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: No soup for you
[05:55] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Have you even tried gkrellm ?
[05:55] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, trying it now
[05:56] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, it detected my vid cards temp..but thats it
[05:57] <wd> help......http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22978   "lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock"  ?
[06:01] <wry> cheers guys take it easy yeah?
[06:01] <junkphreak> you have 2 terms going ?  WD
[06:01] <InteliWasp> Hawkwind: thanks
[06:02] <wd> no
[06:02] <wd> junkphreak: no
[06:03] <Hawkwind> InteliWasp: No problem
[06:03] <junkphreak> you using synaptic ?
[06:03] <InteliWasp> junkphreak,  that kinda reminds me of the adept lock...
[06:03] <junkphreak> yea
[06:04] <wd> junkphreak: oh i had adept open but not using it. then i had term... i guess ur right..... sorry.
[06:04] <junkphreak> :}
[06:05] <wd> wd@matrix:~$ sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[06:05] <wd> E: Invalid operation dist
[06:06] <wd> junkphreak: ^^^
[06:06] <junkphreak> dist-upgrade
[06:06] <junkphreak> -
[06:06] <wd> junkphreak: thnks.
[06:07] <junkphreak> np
[06:10] <frixhias> I can't hear videos in youtube.com i can see but not listen, anybody knows why?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> frixhias: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1087994
[06:13] <Hawkwind> frixhias: Seems to be a fix for it there
[06:13] <frixhias> ok, thanks il will :D
[06:17] <inteliwasp_> yay now my ex-trubblesome computer werks with linux
[06:17] <nick_> when i try to launch an app, the icon appears then disappears and nothing pops up...any help why that happens
[06:18] <inteliwasp_> now all i need it to figure out how to automaticly connect to specified networks...
[06:19] <frixhias> RuntimeError: could not open display
[06:20] <nick_> anyone have an answer to mine?
[06:20] <frixhias> with easyubuntu i use automatix this not install the same?
[06:20] <SpAwN> lastnight the last entry in my syslog is "Sep  8 10:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[24913] : (root) CMD (   run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" then the nest entry is me restarting my computer like 5 hours later i dont have any cronjobs set up....is ther cronjobs that are auto set up to run...that might cause the ssytem lockup?
[06:21] <SpAwN> crontab -l as the user shows nothing...
[06:22] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Again, that's perfectly normal
[06:22] <InteliWasp> WTF???!?!!!?!?! i think i found a glich in my box...
[06:22] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: cron has things setup to run automatically by the system hourly and daily
[06:22] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, yea i figured but hey....id rather ask then over look it
[06:29] <nick_> how do you run an application in konsole?
[06:29] <Kr4t05> nick_: <commandname>
[06:30] <Kr4t05> nick_: If you have the program installed to /usr/bin/, /bin/, etc, you can use the commandname. If it's a script or such sh <filename> may work.
[06:34] <nick_> kr4t05: thanks
[06:35] <nick_> kr4t05: i have an app installed but when i click it, nothing happens...so i just ran it in Konsole and it opened but it doesn't respond
[06:35] <nick_> kr4t05: i just installed it...
[06:36] <frixhias> I can't :S the easyubuntu show me an error, and the flash plugin didn't work too,
[06:58] <Snake> Does anyone know the factoid call for the latest KDE off hand?
[07:00] <Snake> !ping
[07:00] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[07:01] <Snake> !fish
[07:01] <jake1> anyone here use xmms?
[07:01] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.0-1 (dapper), package size 355 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[07:01] <Snake> ...omf
[07:01] <Snake> !fishing
[07:01] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[07:01] <Snake> Go die ubotu
[07:02] <mariano_> I'm trying to add a printer (parallel) with kde print wizard, but parallel port option is disabled. Help.
[07:02] <mariano_> (in windows printer is ok)
[07:03] <SpAwN> this might be a stupid question...but...has anyone installed xfce on kubuntu....i have it installed but it seems to be broken....cuz its defianlty not working right
[07:04] <halfbloodprince> hey, people
[07:05] <lnxkde> someone using edgy and kde4?
[07:05] <lnxkde> how do I start KDE4?
[07:05] <Jobberwacky> the trash service on the desktop doesn't work for me in xfce, haven't checked if that's a known bug
[07:05] <Snake> !edgy
[07:05] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:05] <Snake> ARGH
[07:05] <Snake> this bot is fsckin retarded
[07:05] <mariano_> lnxkde: KDE4 is only for developers and unstable
[07:05] <halfbloodprince> I just found out that I can't make the move from Windows to Kubuntu :((
[07:06] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  whys that?
[07:06] <lnxkde> mariano_:  I know.
[07:06] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Well, all my work requires me to work using Windows-based applications, so it seems to be pointless to move to Kubuntu, but I really want to1
[07:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  dual boot it ?
[07:07] <lnxkde> I am just tring to get it to load. no kdm entry
[07:07] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Yes, I thought of that.. but then I'd be using Windows, mostly, wouldn't I?
[07:07] <mariano_> lnxkde: ok, try this: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[07:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  well in my case, I do webdeving, and dreamweaver/photoshop isnt nix compt. but I find myself using windows only when I need those
[07:08] <lnxkde> mariano_:  just did it ;)
[07:08] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm a webdev too.. and I use Photoshop/notepad++ for my work.. occasionally use Illustrator
[07:08] <Snake> notepad++, I wanted to check into that
[07:09] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  if you code raw, I think youll really enjoy kate
[07:09] <Snake> I <3 that app
[07:09] <halfbloodprince> Snake: But doesn't work take up most of your time? What do you use Ubuntu for exactly?
[07:09] <mariano_> lnxkde: don't know then...but there is nothing new to see right now in kde 4...
[07:09] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I use ubuntu for everything aside from gaming and when im coding something in dreamweaver
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> Snake: such as?
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> Btw, does Google Talk work in Ubuntu?
[07:10] <Snake> Just anything, general websurfing, IRC, etc etc
[07:10] <NDPTAL85> Snake: Why can't you use Dreamweaver via WINE?
[07:10] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  it works with kopete for sure
[07:10] <mariano_> Snake; coding in dreamweaver? Dreamweaver sucks for coding
[07:10] <Snake> mariano_,  how do you figure!?
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> What's kopete
[07:11] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  their multiprototol IM client for KDE
[07:11] <mariano_> Snake: I mean the editor, is really nasty
[07:11] <halfbloodprince> Snake: okay.. and I've been wondering what significant benefits Kubuntu may have over Ubuntu?
[07:11] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: KDE :)
[07:12] <Snake> mariano_,  what do you mean exactly? If your using the WYSIWYG it generates sloppy code, but if you use it as a raw text coding program, its up to you to keep your code clean, and I do a fine job with and
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> mariano_ : Yeah, I get the KDE part, but how exactly is KDE better.. apart from the looks factor
[07:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  well you can make the taskbar seperate from the kmenu for one
[07:12] <Snake> :-P
[07:12] <Snake> cant say the same for windows without extensive hacking
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> mariano_: Are there better apps for KDE?
[07:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  just grab a desktop CD and test it out
[07:13] <Snake> you can play with kubuntu without installing it, I suggest you check out amarok media player, and kopete messaging
[07:13] <mariano_> Snake: try coding with kate, quanta...i mean WRITE the code, you'll note the difference. (not talking about WYSIWYG)
[07:13] <Snake> mariano_,  I know, I love coding in kate as well, quanta annoys me
[07:14] <Snake> mariano_,  but I like that I dont have to actually type most code in DW, it has that awesome drop down thing, I just tab, enter, done
[07:14] <halfbloodprince> my main complaint with linux is the rendering of truetype fonts
[07:14] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: GNOME is meant to be so simple, that is...uncomfortable
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> they don't look as good as they might on windows / osx ... or maybe that was just me
[07:15] <Snake> quanta has that as well, but if youve ever tried to make a table with multiple rows/colums in it, you see its signifigantly flawed and assuemes to much
[07:15] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I think your beating a dead horse :-P
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> i had tried out SuSE linux before.. and fonts like verdana looked like someone had squeezed them from the side
[07:15] <Snake> most fonts look better in kubuntu for me than windows
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what do you mean?
[07:15] <Snake> especially on my lappy
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Even truetype fonts?
[07:15] <mariano_> Snake: yes, with quanta you have to master html :)
[07:16] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  that use to be a huge "annoyance" for most people ;-) some people carry it over just for the sake of argument
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> Are you using Kubuntu right now?
[07:16] <Snake> Mines re-installing
[07:16] <tyler_d> radeon 9600, cannot get my fps over 150?? dual screen enabled, 6.06, drivers are new...???
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what do you mean by "used to be"
[07:16] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  As in most of the issues from what ive seen have been solved, but almost all fonts used to look like crap
[07:16] <Snake> and made people go :'(
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> Snake: how long ago are you talking about
[07:17] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  6 months - a year ;)
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Yea, I installed SuSE more than 6 months ago
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> it was horrible
[07:17] <Snake> Hehe
[07:17] <Snake> I havnt used suse for a while
[07:18] <Snake> I dont have 5 cds to burn
[07:18] <tyler_d> anyone know how to change the overlay from card controlled to interface?
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> I'm hoping Kubuntu is better
[07:18] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  the only thing that nags me with kubuntu is that whatever they did with KDE makes it seem slower than kanotix/SuSEs
[07:18] <Snake> I dont know what it is
[07:18] <mariano_> Suse is nice, but yast is *very* slow
[07:18] <Snake> mariano_,  +1
[07:18] <Snake> but a godly app none the less
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> Snake: are you saying Kubunti is slow?
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> Kubuntu*
[07:19] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I'm not saying its slow, but (atleast on my P3 is where I notice it) there is a considerable speed diffrence between SuSE and Kubuntu
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I have a P4 1.7 ghz, 512 MB RAM
[07:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  shouldnt notice to much
[07:20] <Snake> on my work PC I dont see a diffrence
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> I love how I managed to royally screw up kdm by installing ubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <Snake> (P4 3.6Ghz 1 GB Ram)
[07:20] <mariano_> Snake: There are serveral guides to optimize *buntu startup..., and how to compile your own kernel...Both things boosts *buntu!
[07:20] <halfbloodprince> Snake: Also, will it detect my scanner, and are there any tools I can use to scan stuff
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> (Which I've now removed)
[07:20] <halfbloodprince> I have a Canon scanner
[07:21] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  yulp, comes with scanning software (At least ubuntu did, give me 10 seconds and ill confirm for kubuntu) I cant tell if it will auto-detect it or not though
[07:21] <Snake> GO FASTER
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> Why do you use VMware
[07:22] <Snake> I'm planning to get onto edgy
[07:22] <mariano_> Snake: Kubuntu, Ubuntu uses the same repositories. You can run anything that is available in ubuntu repositories
[07:22] <Snake> mariano_,  im aware of that, I want to check stock applications tho ;)
[07:22] <halfbloodprince> I just saw some screenshots at OSDir of Kubuntu 6.10 knot 2.. what's the difference between that and 6.06
[07:22] <Snake> :)
[07:22] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  all the updates come with 6.10
[07:23] <Snake> Instead of install 6.06 + 300000000 gigs of updates :)
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> Snake: what updates are these?
[07:23] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  just security fixes etc etc, like you would have on windows
[07:23] <shadowr3d> hi
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I never update my Windows.. I've heard nasty things about Windows collecting my info
[07:23] <Snake> welcome
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  hehe, ubuntu doesnt collect info (to my knowledge)
[07:24] <halfbloodprince> Snake: How easy is the Kubuntu installation/creating a dual boot
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  very easy if you know how to use a partitionar
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Snake: it doesnt.  popcon is the only thing that collects info, and you have to choose to turn that on
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  the whole install is graphical based
[07:24] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  also, kubuntu comes with kooka scanning software ;-)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> of course, it's very helpful if people *do* turn it on, as then we get a popularity list of software
[07:25] <Snake> installed by default
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> Snake: And creating a dualboot is simple? Coz I can really manage to screw things up when it comes to the partitioning part.. with the different types of partitions and all
[07:25] <shadowr3d> kubuntu is easy to dual boot
[07:25] <rpagatpatan> ping_
[07:25] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  as long as you know how to split your hard drive into 2 paritions and tell it which one to install kubuntu to, youll be fine, grub will auto-detect windows and set everything up  for you
[07:26] <wd> how do i get the libxine-extracodec to play all mp3, don't see it in package mgr.?
[07:26] <shadowr3d> snake:all you have to pick is resize the hdd
[07:26] <shadowr3d> then pick the gb or mb
[07:26] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: be carefull if you reinstall windows after installing k/ubuntu
[07:26] <halfbloodprince> Snake: What I plan to do is, re-format my hard drive, install Windows on one partition and leave the rest of it unpartitioned
[07:26] <Snake> wd,  you can always open a teriminal and type "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec" wiithout the quotes
[07:26] <halfbloodprince> And then boot with the Kubuntu CD
[07:27] <wd> Snake: i'll try again.
[07:27] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  that would work fine, always install windows first, and if you reinstall windows, you may have issues
[07:27] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  because windows is a control freak and over writes the master boot record
[07:27] <mariano_> btw, is there a way to backup MBR? (dd maybe?)
[07:27] <Snake> and isnt kind enough to realize nix is also on the HDD
[07:27] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm installing Windows first.. But should I create 2 partitions? Or should I just create one partition for Windows and leave the rest unpartitioned
[07:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  doesnt matter, youll just end up making the second later in the kubuntu installer
[07:28] <wd> Snake: : Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[07:28] <Snake> wd,  have you done this:
[07:28] <halfbloodprince> okay.... it won't touch my Windows partition, right?
[07:28] <Snake> !universe
[07:28] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  not as long as you tell it not to
[07:28] <Snake> alright seriously now, ill brb :-D
[07:28] <shadowr3d> when i put the sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec it says this------> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[07:29] <halfbloodprince> Snake, alright, thanks
[07:29] <Snake> !info libxine-extracodec
[07:29] <ubotu> Package libxine-extracodec does not exist in any distro I know
[07:29] <Snake> It doesnt exist
[07:29] <Snake> LOL
[07:29] <Snake> wd,  where did you get that package name
[07:29] <wd> Snake: kubunto handbook i'm reading now.
[07:29] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[07:29] <Snake> wtfh?
[07:30] <shadowr3d> snake i dont't understand what you said
[07:30] <wd> Snake: multimedia codecs.
[07:30] <Snake> !mp3
[07:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:30] <halfbloodprince> Where do I get v6.10
[07:30] <Snake> Weird...
[07:30] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  (k)ubuntu website
[07:30] <Snake> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:30] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[07:30] <Snake> there we go
[07:31] <plugs> Ugh, i wish my computer would grow an AGP port.
[07:31] <Snake> wd,  your missing an "s" at the end ;)
[07:31] <Snake> libxine-extracodecs
[07:31] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I looked in the download section of the Kubuntu web site and the only version available there is 6.06
[07:31] <wd> Snake: o crap...thanks.
[07:31] <Snake> Np :)
[07:31] <Snake> OH CRAP
[07:31] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I am so sorry
[07:32] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  6.10 is edgy, I was under false impression
[07:32] <wd> Snake: E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodecs
[07:32] <Snake> -.-
[07:32] <wd> Snake: aaaugh.
[07:32] <halfbloodprince> Snake: So I should get 6.06?
[07:32] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  correct :)
[07:32] <Jobber_wacky> changed to 6.06.1
[07:32] <halfbloodprince> I actually ordered a CD via ShipIt, but it might take a while.. it was delivered about a week ago..
[07:33] <mariano_> wd: www.getautomatix.com
[07:33] <halfbloodprince> So I'm wondering if I should download it anyway
[07:33] <Snake> mariano_,  good idea
[07:33] <halfbloodprince> Downloading may take another week for me :p
[07:33] <Snake> hehe
[07:34] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06.1/
[07:34] <Snake> thats the one you want
[07:34] <Snake> well
[07:34] <Snake> thats ubuntu
[07:34] <Snake> I suppose you want kubuntu
[07:35] <halfbloodprince> Snake: yeah
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> Has anyone got stuff from ShipIt here?
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//kubuntu/6.06.1/ knock urself out
[07:36] <Ash-Fox> Yes
[07:36] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: me, and I live in Argentina :D
[07:36] <Ash-Fox> I got my copy of getright from ShipIt.
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  I have about 50 ubuntu cds and about 20 kubutnu cds from it
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> mariano_: how much time did it take for you to get it
[07:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince,  took me 5 weeks for both shipments
[07:36] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: 1 month, from the request to my door :)
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> mariano_ : One month.. hmm..
[07:37] <kuzmaster> hey all
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> I'm wondering if I should wait for the CD, or just download it
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> hey kuzmaster
[07:37] <ryan_> it only took about 1 1/2 weeks for me
[07:37] <wd> Snake: r u suggesting i use ubuntu product......lol     totem / rhythmbox.......  gstreamer etc.....
[07:37] <Snake> ah
[07:37] <Snake> finally
[07:38] <Snake> lol
[07:38] <Snake> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.80GHz at 2806 MHz (5630 bogomips), , RAM: 289/357MB, 96 proc's, 15.23min up
[07:38] <ryan_> im itn the usa
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> ryan_: where are you from
[07:38] <Snake> wd: whatcha mean?
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> aj
[07:38] <halfbloodprince> ah*
[07:38] <wd> Snake: it may work. huh?? what fo u use?
[07:38] <ryan_> usa....georgia
[07:38] <Snake> wd: I'm fairly lost...
[07:38] <Snake> I apologize...
[07:38] <wd> Snake: sorry.. what do u use for mp3 and videos?
[07:39] <mariano_> wd: videos: mplayer, mp3: amarok or xmms
[07:39] <wd> mariano_: for kde?
[07:39] <halfbloodprince> I didn't like the look of amarok very much..
[07:39] <mariano_> wd: for kde you could use kaffeine
[07:39] <halfbloodprince> is there a better looking player?
[07:40] <Snake> That was not even cool
[07:40] <wd> mariano_: i might as well install gnome...      lol
[07:40] <Snake> halfbloodprince: You want amarok
[07:40] <Snake> trust me ;)
[07:40] <Snake> halfbloodprince: that is hands down the best media player in existance
[07:40] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: amarok rocks, really...
[07:40] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I've used amarok.. I didn't like the look.. Helix looked good but it didn't play shit
[07:40] <Snake> Heh
[07:40] <kuzmaster> what is better, kopte or gaim?
[07:40] <Snake> gaim is more stable
[07:40] <kuzmaster> k
[07:40] <Snake> kopete is prettier
[07:40] <wd> mariano_: i just want to play my mp3 and win videos avi,wma,mp3 etc... mpeg....
[07:40] <kuzmaster> gaim it is then
[07:41] <Snake> wd: check into http://www.getautomatix.com
[07:41] <wd> Snake: i had that in ubuntu last year, bad things said about it,
[07:41] <kuzmaster> are there any disadvantages of using automatix?
[07:41] <mariano_> wd: check www.getautomatix.com, then: videos: mplayer, mp3: amarok or xmms (I repeat)
[07:42] <Snake> wd: the old code was bad, arnieboy has since stepped down and handed it over to a team who cleaned it up
[07:42] <Snake> its a rather nice application now
[07:42] <wd> Snake: really
[07:42] <Snake> kuzmaster: Well you dont learn much about your system using it, pending what your goal in linux is
[07:42] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,k
[07:42] <Snake> wd: trust me man, I used to be anti automatix to the core ;)
[07:42] <kuzmaster> its eaiser using apt-get
[07:42] <mariano_> sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=backup-mbr bs=512 count=1
[07:42] <mariano_> 1+0 records in
[07:42] <mariano_> 1+0 records out
[07:43] <mariano_> Segmentation Fault
[07:43] <mariano_> :S
[07:43] <wd> Snake: how do i do a search in adept? where do i type xmms? in the filter line?
[07:43] <Snake> wd: lemme look
[07:43] <Snake> been a while since I used that
[07:43] <shadowr3d> how could i get audicity
[07:44] <Snake> shadowr3d: sudo apt-get install aduacity
[07:44] <Snake> audicity*
[07:44] <Snake> whatever
[07:44] <mariano_> wd: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[07:44] <wd> Snake: i liked easyubuntu myself.
[07:44] <Snake> wd: as did I
[07:44] <wd> mariano_: thanks
[07:44] <shadowr3d> E: Couldn't find package audicity
[07:44] <Snake> But automatix seems to have way more options, and as I said, I havnt herd of much broken with the new code
[07:44] <shadowr3d> thats what it says
[07:44] <Snake> !info audicity
[07:44] <ubotu> Package audicity does not exist in any distro I know
[07:45] <halfbloodprince> what's easyubuntu
[07:45] <Snake> you spelled something incorrectly
[07:45] <mariano_> shadowr3d: audacity
[07:45] <shadowr3d> o
[07:45] <wd> Snake: i've been from ubuntu, kubuntu, xfce, back to gnome :)  last week gentoo, now back to ubuntu... man i'm tired. lol
[07:45] <Snake> halfbloodprince: generally the same thing as automatix, it was nice when automatix was a pile of trash
[07:45] <halfbloodprince> what's wrong with gentoo? a friend of mine really likes it
[07:45] <Snake> Gentoo is great if your time is worth nothing
[07:45] <Snake> :-P
[07:46] <wd> halfbloodprince: too advance for me, i'm still a newbie. it was blazzzzzzzing fast, but the irc folks have no patience.
[07:46] <wd> Snake: lol
[07:46] <Snake> wd: up at the very top of adept, it says "Search" just type it in there
[07:46] <shadowr3d> how do i unistall kubuntu not that i want to just i want to know
[07:46] <Snake> its in a active filters drop down
[07:46] <halfbloodprince> suse has some really mean irc folk
[07:46] <wd> Snake: thanks.
[07:46] <Snake> shadowr3d: just delete the partions its on
[07:46] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: Your distribution does the job for you, not otherwise (gentoo)
[07:46] <shadowr3d> ok
[07:47] <shadowr3d> thnx
[07:47] <Snake> shadowr3d: uh and you may need to restore your mbr
[07:47] <Snake> not sure though
[07:47] <Snake> that can be done with your windows disk
[07:47] <halfbloodprince> man that automatix website is hard on the eyes..
[07:47] <halfbloodprince> dark red on grey
[07:47] <Snake> yea it is
[07:47] <wd> Snake: mariano_ i'm gonna check out automatix brb
[07:47] <bill__> does anyone know how to register /etc/fstab without having to reboot? what would be the command?
[07:48] <halfbloodprince> holy crap automatix seems awesome!
[07:48] <mariano_> bill__: sudo mount -a
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Snake: Ubuntu does collect info
[07:49] <bill__> thanks mariano
[07:49] <Ash-Fox> Ubuntu is spyware
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Snake: Never mind Hobbsee covered it :)
[07:50] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its....... eaiser to install packages, but you wont really learn much aobut the package
[07:50] <Snake> DaSkreech: its not anything like windows though
[07:50] <Snake> lol
[07:50] <kuzmaster> Ash-Fox, wat do u mean?
[07:50] <Ash-Fox> kuzmaster, I'm joking :P
[07:50] <kuzmaster> Ash-Fox, ummmm......... yes....... i knew that .................
[07:50] <halfbloodprince> kuzmaster: wht do you mean?
[07:51] <Snake> -_-
[07:51] <halfbloodprince> wd: did you install automatix
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> I need to reinstall kubuntu, because I managed to mess up my entire system so much by installin ubuntu-desktop (and then removing it)
[07:51] <bill__> yeah, automatix is serves it purpose of making linux easy to configure, but learning how to do it all via commandline is always a good thing...
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> I mean, I don't know how I managed this, but konqueror will forget all my bookmarks, KDE will forgot all my settings on logout (theming etc), even on fresh new user profiles. It's hilarious :P
[07:52] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, well, you wont really learn much about the cli interface for apt-get, which can be extreamly usefull
[07:52] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, and sooner or later, you will depend on it
[07:52] <halfbloodprince> one question: is automatix an application which one has to 'run' everytime i start kubuntu?
[07:52] <Snake> no way
[07:53] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: no, you just install what you need, that's all
[07:53] <Snake> halfbloodprince: after you install the apps  and codecs you want, you can remove it
[07:53] <halfbloodprince> Snake: alright.. so it's just a one time thing then
[07:53] <Snake> correct
[07:53] <Snake> halfbloodprince: nothing on linux happens unless you want it to happen
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> cool.. so it's just those 3 commands that i need to use to install it
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> ?
[07:54] <Snake> Apparently
[07:54] <Snake> :)
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> ah
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> man, this gets easier and easier
[07:54] <Snake> give it a year or so
[07:54] <halfbloodprince> one more thing.. are there any 'skins' available for kubuntu?
[07:54] <Snake> it gets betta
[07:54] <Snake> abd betta :)
[07:54] <Snake> halfbloodprince: TONS
[07:55] <halfbloodprince> Snake: why do you say that?
[07:55] <Snake> halfbloodprince: I'll be hitting my offical one year on linux mark in novemeber, and I <3 every moment on in this enviroment
[07:55] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: skins? go to www.kde-look.org
[07:55] <Snake> little things in windows bug the hell out of me now
[07:55] <wd> Snake: how do i find out my kubuntu version? i installed an old cd from last year but i updated/upgraded?
[07:56] <halfbloodprince> Snake: alright... i'm glad i spoke to you, actually.. i was wondering about using kubuntu, since most of my work involves windows
[07:56] <Snake> wd: in your sources.list just change say if your on breezy, anywhere it says breezy, change it to dapper
[07:56] <Healot> lsb_release -a
[07:56] <Snake> wd: then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:56] <wd> Snake: ok.
[07:56] <halfbloodprince> Snake: and how does one go about installing ttf fonts?
[07:57] <Snake> halfbloodprince: example: I cant seperate the taskbar from the start menu. thats annoying to me
[07:57] <Snake> !tff
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <Jobber_wacky> paste them into /usr/local/share/fonts
[07:57] <Snake> I hate you ubotu
[07:57] <kuzmaster> ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1one
[07:57] <kuzmaster> i have 254mb of updates to download
[07:57] <Healot> !font
[07:57] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:57] <Snake> ah ha
[07:57] <Snake> thanks Healot
[07:57] <Snake> kuzmaster: same here lol
[07:57] <halfbloodprince> Thanks Healot
[07:57] <Snake> should have gotten 6.06.1
[07:58] <mariano_> halfbloodprince: automatix has a 'package' with lots of ttf fonts
[07:58] <halfbloodprince> Kuzmaster: what's your connection speed
[07:58] <kuzmaster> 512k
[07:58] <Snake> down??
[07:58] <kuzmaster> Snake, did u just install?
[07:58] <Snake> yeowch
[07:58] <Snake> kuzmaster: yulp
[07:58] <kuzmaster> yeah
[07:58] <kuzmaster> 152/256k
[07:58] <kuzmaster> same
[07:58] <Snake> im like 3mb/1.5
[07:58] <Snake> lol
[07:59] <wd> Snake: how can i edit sources list from terminal.... adept wont let me edit.
[07:59] <kuzmaster> Snake, ;-(, i cant get adsl2 or higher
[07:59] <mariano_> Snake: and all for porn I guess :)
[07:59] <Snake> and 64% updated
[07:59] <mariano_> wd sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <Snake> wd: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> i'm on 64kbps
[07:59] <Snake> or you can use vim
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Skinning under KDE is still a pain
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> isn't that awesome
[07:59] <Snake> as he said above
[08:00] <Jobber_wacky> even cable is only 756k or so- around here
[08:00] <halfbloodprince> DaSkreech, why do you say that
[08:00] <Jobber_wacky> I really need to move to a larger city
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: how do you figure?
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: try skinning gnome
[08:00] <kuzmaster> im only 4% with my updates
[08:00] <kuzmaster> ;-(
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Well they have a one button theme
[08:00] <DaSkreech> You should be able to package a one button KDE
[08:00] <mariano_> DaSkreech: WTF is skinning?
[08:00] <Snake> DaSkreech: so does kde dude
[08:01] <DaSkreech> where's that?
[08:01] <mariano_> DaSkreech: kde themes
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah yeah
[08:01] <Snake> DaSkreech: kcontrol --> appearence --> theme manager
[08:01] <mariano_> DaSkreech: oops, sorry, perhaps you have to do 3 or four clicks...that's really hard
[08:01] <Snake> mariano_: you have to in gnome too...
[08:02] <Snake> System --> Apperance --> System Theme
[08:02] <Snake> or something like that
[08:02] <mariano_> Snake: it was a joke...
[08:02] <Snake> I know
[08:02] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I need some advice here.. I have a 40GB hard drive.. and I'll be dual booting.. I'll be installing windows in the first partition.. and saving my work-related files there.. and gnome in the other partition.. so hw much space do you recommend for each partition?
[08:02] <Snake> halfbloodprince: 25 to windows and 15 to linux
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> I'd go half and half
[08:03] <Snake> halfbloodprince: windows apps are usually way bigger than linux
[08:03] <halfbloodprince> 15 will be enough for linux?
[08:03] <Snake> half and half would work too, but I tend to give windows more space
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> I do the opposite
[08:03] <Snake> halfbloodprince: i have 12 g igs total on my lappy HDD and still have 6 gigs left to go
[08:03] <Jobber_wacky> Windows is on a 15GB partition
[08:03] <Snake> thats with install and a ton of apps
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> I've abandoned windows pretty much
[08:04] <mariano_> bye...see you soon
[08:04] <Snake> Jobber_wacky: so after you install windows you have what, enough room for 3 programs and a mp3?
[08:04] <Snake> :-P
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> Windows only takes up less than 2GB
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Jobber_wacky: For a week
[08:04] <Snake> jahhahaha
[08:04] <Snake> DaSkreech: +1
[08:04] <Snake> Its like 1,700 mb on install
[08:04] <Snake> or something like that
[08:04] <Jobber_wacky> Yeah, the 13GB rest is enough, it's not THAT crazy
[08:05] <halfbloodprince> I'll do a 25+15
[08:05] <Snake> nope but vista will be
[08:05] <Snake> kekekek
[08:05] <Jobber_wacky> vista can go suck freeze dried lemons
[08:05] <Snake> aw thats mean
[08:05] <Snake> wtf did I just do to my kubuntu
[08:06] <Jobber_wacky> I've tried the beta, horrible
[08:06] <LinuxCart> Hello
[08:06] <Snake> Jobber_wacky: it runs like holy hell on my system
[08:06] <halfbloodprince> okay.. this is unrelated to kubuntu.. but do any of you guys know any way i can forward all my emails in thunderbird to another web-based email account? some way to mass-forward them?
[08:06] <Jobber_wacky> and the release is being pushed forward to october, it will be horrible
[08:06] <halfbloodprince> hey LinuxCart
[08:06] <LinuxCart> any known plobem with cpufreqd and kubunutu dapper?
[08:07] <Snake> halfbloodprince: not sure mang
[08:07] <LinuxCart> and solution (if possible)
[08:08] <kuzmaster> is there a way to inset special characters in kubuntu, like the ALT codes in windows?
[08:08] <Snake> kuzmaster: yea, that was a issue I had, you gotta mess with the kb settings in kcontrol
[08:08] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> hold Ctrl+shift press keys
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> then release
[08:08] <Snake> For real!?
[08:08] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:08] <Snake> hmm
[08:08] <Snake> no good here
[08:08] <kuzmaster> no
[08:08] <kuzmaster> dosnt work
[08:09] <kuzmaster> !skim
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> you may have to enable unicode? works here
[08:09] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.4-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[08:09] <LinuxCart> I've just upgraded within kubuntu and cpufreqd failed loading
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:09] <Jobber_wacky> ?
[08:09] <halfbloodprince> i just downloaded the kubuntu iso torrent
[08:09] <Snake> kuzmaster: 97% :-P
[08:09] <Snake> Good race ;-)
[08:09] <LinuxCart> tried to load manually etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart and failed again
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I just need the iso file, right? Nothing tlse?
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> else*
[08:10] <Snake> halfbloodprince: correct, then you just burn the iso like you would you windows disk
[08:10] <Snake> errr
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> yeah, got it
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> now it'll take me like a week to download the entire iso file
[08:11] <Jobber_wacky> ah, not the same codes from windows just so you know
[08:11] <Snake> lol
[08:11] <halfbloodprince> not funny, man :P i have a 64kbps connection
[08:11] <Jobber_wacky> could be worse
[08:11] <Snake> halfbloodprince: should I ship you my kubuntu disk?
[08:11] <Snake> :)
[08:12] <kuzmaster> snake, how long have you been using your current installation of kubuntu for?
[08:12] <Jobber_wacky> and it wont take a week just a day or two
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Snake: where do you live?
[08:12] <Snake> kuzmaster: I just now installed it man
[08:12] <kuzmaster> oh
[08:12] <Snake> halfbloodprince: ohio
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Jobber_wacky: I use a 64kbps connection
[08:12] <kuzmaster> hmmm, anyone here had it for........ over a month?
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm in another country altogether
[08:12] <Snake> kuzmaster: ive used kubuntu for longer than that..
[08:12] <Snake> if thats what you mean
[08:12] <Jobber_wacky> halfbloodprince, a week would be dialup
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> I'll get the official Kubuntu shipit cd before I get yours
[08:12] <Snake> heeh
[08:12] <halfbloodprince> :)
[08:13] <kuzmaster> Snake, no, and so have i
[08:13] <Snake> halfbloodprince: mine would get stopped at customs
[08:13] <LinuxCart> if this is not the right place could you tell me where to ask
[08:13] <Snake> cuz its a b0mb!!
[08:13] <LinuxCart> is there a kubuntu-laptop or the like?
[08:13] <kuzmaster> i just want to know approx how much kubuntu uses up
[08:13] <halfbloodprince> Jobber_wacky: Maybe not a week per se.. but like at least 3 days
[08:13] <kuzmaster> how much hard disk space
[08:13] <Snake> kuzmaster: not to much, its like 2gb on install
[08:13] <Jobber_wacky> I'd say 2 days of non-stop load
[08:13] <Snake> kuzmaster: then it doesnt use much more after that unless you install more apps
[08:13] <DaSkreech> can some media player run mp4?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> the H.264 one
[08:14] <Snake> DaSkreech: perhaps vlc?
[08:14] <Jobber_wacky> just remember to use kget or some such
[08:14] <halfbloodprince> is opera on linux better than firefox  on linux?
[08:14] <Jobber_wacky> halfbloodprince, no
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Snake: Some other one?
[08:14] <Snake> na
[08:14] <Snake> DaSkreech: mplayer?
[08:14] <Snake> lol
[08:14] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, i would STRONGLY advise you to install vlc media player
[08:14] <Healot> opera can't be any better than mozilla-alike :)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Doesn't seem to
[08:15] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, it will play almost all codecs/file types, with out add-ons
[08:15] <kuzmaster> DaSkreech, i LOVE IT
[08:15] <Snake> vlc is godly
[08:15] <Snake> VLC and Amarok make a nasty team
[08:15] <kuzmaster> i use vlc on windows, linux and mac
[08:15] <kuzmaster> its the BEST!!!!!!!!!! w00t
[08:15] <kuzmaster> lol
[08:15] <Snake> i use it on windows, but just for things wmp wont play
[08:15] <Jobber_wacky> what's special?
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> vlc is available for linux too?
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> wtf!
[08:15] <DaSkreech> I wish that Songbir would use it :-(
[08:15] <halfbloodprince> vlc is god!
[08:15] <Snake> halfbloodprince: its avalible for everything
[08:16] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its even available for windows CE
[08:16] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its an open source project, you can download to source yourselft and complie it on any system
[08:16] <halfbloodprince> man, are you sure kooka works fine for scanning stuff?
[08:17] <halfbloodprince> i feel weird using anything called kooka
[08:17] <Snake> lol
[08:17] <Snake> Ive never used it
[08:17] <Snake> but it comes with it :)
[08:17] <DaSkreech> The use the VLC libs on all platforms but linux :-(
[08:17] <Snake> halfbloodprince: what do you prefer? Kooka or XSane? (Xsane is what comes with gnome)
[08:17] <halfbloodprince> XSane sounds cooler
[08:17] <Snake> then rename kooka
[08:17] <Snake> :-P
[08:18] <DaSkreech> argh The SongBird App uses VLC Libs even
[08:18] <Snake> songbird is kewl
[08:18] <halfbloodprince> why do all these linux software sites have such huge fonts :p
[08:18] <Snake> bit unstable though
[08:18] <Snake> halfbloodprince: they wanna be macintized!!
[08:18] <halfbloodprince> ??
[08:18] <Snake> its a joke
[08:18] <Snake> !latestkde
[08:18] <ubotu> The latest version of KDE is 3.5.4, and Kubuntu packages are available at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[08:19] <halfbloodprince> i got that it was a joke :p i just didnt get the joke
[08:19] <Snake> ...bah never mind
[08:20] <Snake> man the new automatix team is great
[08:20] <LinuxCart> I have a laptop, how should I use the cpu scaling? which is the best application?
[08:20] <Snake> im diggin what theyve done to this thign
[08:20] <halfbloodprince> Snake: I'm hoping the installation is simple.. i managed to fuck up the suse thing pretty badly
[08:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince: its easier than suse ;)
[08:20] <Snake> I promise
[08:20] <Snake> just read  what it says and youll be fine
[08:20] <halfbloodprince> I was fine till it got to the partitioning part.. and the partitioning was so confusing, that i delted windows altogether
[08:20] <Snake> halfbloodprince: and if you have any problems just click the kmenu --> Internet --> Konversation and itll link you right into here
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> then i reinstalled windows and asked people on suse irc for help, and they were rude
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[08:21] <DaSkreech> !language
[08:21] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> was really bad
[08:21] <halfbloodprince> sorry ubotu
[08:21] <Snake> Hey guys
[08:22] <Snake> how well do you think xgl will run under wine
[08:22] <Snake> >: )
[08:22] <Snake> err
[08:22] <Snake> not wine
[08:22] <Snake> vmware
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> what exactly is xubuntu
[08:22] <Darius[TEA] > Snake: really really badly
[08:22] <Snake> ubuntu with xfce instead of KDE or Gnome
[08:22] <Ash-Fox> a buntu distro that uses xfce4 by default
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> ah okay
[08:22] <halfbloodprince> got it
[08:22] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, its for lower end systems
[08:23] <kuzmaster> halfbloodprince, i used  to and im going to use it as a server
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> kuzmaster: okay..
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> man kubuntu has an inbuilt font installer
[08:23] <halfbloodprince> how cool is that!
[08:23] <Darius[TEA] > Snake: if at all, since the vmware x server doesn't do opengl AFAIK
[08:24] <Snake> Darius[TEA] : I was half kididng :)
[08:24] <Snake> enjoying your tea?
[08:24] <Snake> :-P
[08:24] <halfbloodprince> Snake: does Kubuntu have any cool transparent-effect things
[08:25] <Snake> halfbloodprince: Havnt tested, but XGL does
[08:25] <Snake> and damnnn is XGL goooddddd
[08:25] <Ash-Fox> !xgl
[08:25] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:25] <Snake> but native KDE, dunno
[08:25] <Ash-Fox> native kde uses cheap hacks to get around transparencies on x.org
[08:26] <Ash-Fox> Basically it just copies your background picture, and places in the application background
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: no it doesn't
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: it uses the composite extension
[08:26] <Ash-Fox> You won't see any other windows under those.
[08:26] <halfbloodprince> do you need external video cards for XGL?
[08:26] <Snake> Im not sure the min requirement
[08:26] <Darius[TEA] > Ash-Fox: I do :)
[08:26] <Snake> I run mine on a ATI 9250
[08:27] <Darius[TEA] > I suspect you just need a card that supports DRI for XGL
[08:27] <Ash-Fox> Yeah, and I suggest you do not try running it on a radeon mobility, I've only had bad luck with those.
[08:27] <Ash-Fox> (Strange artifacts getting left behind mostly)
[08:28] <Snake> so steady as she goes!!
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> Snake: love that song!
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > well compsite extension support is pretty new
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> what's the difference between Adept and Synapti
[08:28] <halfbloodprince> Synaptic
[08:28] <Ash-Fox> Not even x.org's backing store option helps with those artifacts.
[08:28] <Snake> frontends
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > halfbloodprince: they're both front ends for pkg
[08:28] <Darius[TEA] > dpkg
[08:28] <Snake> halfbloodprince: layouts pretty much
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > adept is for kde, synaptic is for gnome
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > well qt & gtk
[08:29] <Snake> and that
[08:29] <Snake> :)
[08:29] <link_36p> Does anyone know how i can get OpenGL 1.3?
[08:29] <halfbloodprince> cool
[08:29] <Ash-Fox> adept is a QT app or kde app?
[08:29] <Snake> adept is QR
[08:29] <Snake> QT*
[08:29] <Snake> which is what kde is written in
[08:29] <Snake> so itll start up faster in a KDE enviroment than a gnome
[08:29] <Darius[TEA] > pretty marginal though
[08:29] <Snake> correct
[08:30] <link_36p> Hey anyone know if my openGL should be 1.3?
[08:30] <Snake> konq is so tightly integrated, one of my fav things about kde
[08:30] <Snake> :)
[08:31] <Snake> yea knoq needs firefox extension support
[08:31] <Snake> :)
[08:31] <Snake> every browser should have firefox extension support
[08:32] <Ash-Fox> It has extension support, but meh, supporting xul extensions. That's really pulling your underwear over your head in my opinion :/
[08:32] <Snake> I know it does but no true firefox extension would work in it
[08:32] <Snake> say deepest sender
[08:33] <Ash-Fox> Firefox was supposed to have a QT version a few years ago.
[08:33] <Snake> that'll be the day
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> i havent heard too many good things about gnome
[08:34] <Snake> I like gnome
[08:34] <Snake> it seems much more stable than KDE, but its constraining
[08:34] <halfbloodprince> i dont like konqueror as a browser.. it's nice as a file manager
[08:34] <Ash-Fox> There are some decent things in gnome, but for the most part. I find the fact I can't turn off those blasted animations annoying.
[08:34] <Mez> anyone here have a fresh install of kubuntu ?
[08:34] <Snake> Mez: i just installed mine
[08:34] <Snake> whats up?
[08:34] <Ash-Fox> Nothing angers me more than stupid UI animations. I don't want to see flying boxes attack my tray when I hit minimize
[08:35] <Snake> lol
[08:35] <Mez> Snake: when you launch konversation: what servers do you see in the server list ?
[08:35] <Snake> Mez: just freenodes
[08:35] <Snake> irc.freenode.net
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> Snake: you completed your installation?
[08:36] <Snake> halfbloodprince: yea I been on here for a while now ;)
[08:36] <Snake> i'm just installing codecs and stuff now
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[08:36] <Snake> watching as fonts fly past my face
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> Can you visit a website for me, and show me a screenshot?
[08:36] <Snake> sure
[08:36] <Snake> what site?
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> if it's not too much to ask
[08:37] <halfbloodprince> www.split-magazine.com
[08:38] <Snake> halfbloodprince: uploading
[08:38] <Snake> halfbloodprince: http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1736/snapshot1is1.png
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> firefox :p
[08:39] <Snake> rawr2u
[08:39] <Snake> halfbloodprince: i dont have firefox yet, automatix is doin its thing
[08:39] <Snake> when its done ill grab it
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> thats okay
[08:39] <halfbloodprince> damn, my site looks good even in konqueror :p
[08:40] <Snake> hehe
[08:40] <halfbloodprince> what do you think of it?
[08:40] <halfbloodprince> it's running on wordpress
[08:40] <Snake> its nice
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[08:41] <Snake> halfbloodprince: typo
[08:41] <Snake> System of a Down: Mesmerize
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> what's the typo
[08:41] <Snake> isnt it mezmerize?
[08:41] <halfbloodprince> in UK english it's spelled as mesmerise
[08:42] <Snake> ah
[08:42] <plugs> that doesnt matter. it's how the band spellsit
[08:42] <Snake> I hold the US release in my hand and its spelled with a z
[08:42] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[08:42] <Snake> hehe
[08:42] <Snake> halfbloodprince: as I said, stupid little things annoy me
[08:42] <plugs> thought i'd throw that out there =] 
[08:42] <Snake> :-P
[08:42] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[08:43] <LinuxCart> does klaptopdaemon work?
[08:43] <halfbloodprince> umm the title says mesmerize, right
[08:43] <Darius[TEA] > LinuxCart: yes!
[08:43] <Snake> havnt tried it
[08:43] <LinuxCart> or should i use kpowersave
[08:43] <Snake> halfbloodprince: on my album it says "System of a Down - Mezmerize"
[08:43] <halfbloodprince> with a Z
[08:43] <halfbloodprince> No on the site
[08:43] <halfbloodprince> I'm looking at it
[08:43] <Snake> ah
[08:43] <halfbloodprince> It's Mesmerize
[08:44] <halfbloodprince> with a Z
[08:44] <halfbloodprince> not Mesmerise
[08:44] <LinuxCart> Darius[TEA] : problem is that klaptopdaemon forces you to install cpufreqd and this latter doesn't start
[08:44] <halfbloodprince> where exactly did u see the typo
[08:44] <LinuxCart> I'm trying to get more info everywhere and no success till now
[08:44] <Darius[TEA] > ah well TBH the only time I used it was on FreeBSD and that works, I run kubuntu inside vmware :)
[08:44] <Snake> halfbloodprince: on your website it reads "Mesmerize" first s is incorrect, it should also be a "z"
[08:45] <Snake> MeZmerize
[08:45] <Darius[TEA] > LinuxCart: maybe you need a kernel module loaded for cpufreqd?
[08:45] <LinuxCart> well it works in my debian, but not on my sister's kubunut
[08:45] <LinuxCart> Darius[TEA] : I loaded all the cpufreq_xxx
[08:45] <LinuxCart> and didn't start
[08:46] <LinuxCart> the worst thing is that I don't have an error message
[08:46] <LinuxCart> just fails
[08:46] <Healot> 
[08:47] <halfbloodprince> aaahhh
[08:47] <Snake> !latestkde
[08:47] <ubotu> The latest version of KDE is 3.5.4, and Kubuntu packages are available at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[08:47] <halfbloodprince> well, i'm not going to change that :p
[08:47] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmmmmmph
[08:47] <Snake> halfbloodprince: whys that?? Its the offical album name..
[08:47] <Snake> Your losin out on google hits
[08:47] <Snake> :-P
[08:47] <kuzmaster> the updates are only 65% compleate
[08:50] <halfbloodprince> Snake: In Kubuntu, I can change that default sans-serif font to whatever I want, right?
[08:51] <Snake> halfbloodprince: yulp
[08:51] <halfbloodprince> Snake: How do I do that
[08:51] <Snake> halfbloodprince: I assume you mean the default system font?
[08:51] <Snake> halfbloodprince: its in your kcontrol
[08:51] <halfbloodprince> Yeah, default system font
[08:51] <halfbloodprince> I want to change it to Lucida Grande
[08:51] <kuzmaster> offtopic, but does anyone here own a netgear mp101 wireless music streamer?
[08:51] <halfbloodprince> okay, cool
[08:52] <halfbloodprince> I like the amarok website, it uses nice small fonts :p
[08:52] <Snake> hehe
[08:52] <halfbloodprince> i love the logo too
[08:53] <Snake> good god
[08:53] <Snake> 10 mins to update kde
[08:53] <Snake> ugh
[08:53] <Snake> I feel like im on gentoo
[08:53] <kuzmaster> Snake, well its gonna take me well over 3 hours to do the whole update thing for kubuntu
[08:54] <Snake> kuzmaster: it took me about a hour and a half for that
[08:54] <Snake> heh
[08:54] <kuzmaster> its still goin, its on 71% now
[08:54] <halfbloodprince> good thing i'm getting 6.06.1
[08:55] <kuzmaster> !getright
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about getright - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <halfbloodprince> Snake: thanks for the link
[08:57] <Snake> halfbloodprince: np
[08:57] <halfbloodprince> i cant PM
[08:57] <halfbloodprince> coz i've forgotten my password
[08:57] <Snake> whys that??
[08:57] <Snake> hmm you shoudl be  able to
[08:57] <Snake> I thought I set my account to be open
[08:58] <halfbloodprince> oh i just assumed i couldn;t
[08:58] <halfbloodprince> :[
[09:00] <alessandro> hallo
[09:01] <Snake> welcome
[09:01] <alessandro> where I can find mozilla backup for ubuntu
[09:01] <Ayabara> what app do you use for simple retouching of photos?
[09:02] <Snake> Ayabara: krita and the gimp are both very good programs
[09:02] <alessandro> gimp
[09:02] <alessandro> sorry
[09:03] <Ayabara> alessandro, Snake : I tried gimp, but it just seemed a little too much for me. I'm looking for something like picasa and adobe photoshop elements under xp
[09:03] <Snake> hmmmm
[09:03] <halfbloodprince> Ayabara: try GimpShop
[09:04] <halfbloodprince> It's basically gimp with the almost-exact interface of Photoshop
[09:04] <Ayabara> halfbloodprince, found the website some nanoseconds before your tip :-) thanks
[09:04] <halfbloodprince> |gimpshop
[09:04] <halfbloodprince> hehe cool
[09:05] <halfbloodprince> how is this search thing supposed to work
[09:05] <alessandro> sorry, I'm looking for mozilla backup. What do you know?
[09:12] <Ayabara> is anyone using digikam?
[09:12] <Otis> morning all
[09:13] <Ayabara> good morning, Otis
[09:13] <Otis> why do I only receive one frame from a remote webcam before Kopete says I've lost the camera connection ?
[09:14] <Otis> note : I *do* receive one full frame before the loss
[09:14] <Otis> 99.9% of forum posts are about h/w support and sending webcam .... my problem is with receiving webcam
[09:16] <Ash-Fox> What's the problem with viewing webcams, Otis?
[09:16] <kuzmaster> getting there
[09:16] <kuzmaster>  only 5% left
[09:17] <kuzmaster> 4%
[09:17] <kuzmaster> 3%
[09:17] <halfbloodprince> yay!
[09:18] <kuzmaster> 3% now
[09:18] <halfbloodprince> get a move on already :p
[09:19] <kuzmaster> ohhhh only 2% left, of downloading
[09:20] <kuzmaster> like, it only took me like 15 mins to download studio8 demo
[09:21] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh getting closer, only 1$ left
[09:21] <kuzmaster> !ksvg
[09:21] <ubotu> ksvg: SVG viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1149 kB, installed size 4028 kB
[09:21] <kuzmaster> !svg
[09:21] <ubotu> svg is Scalable Vector Graphics, a language used for graphical applications in XML, and a W3 recommendation. SVG Editors: Inkscape, Karbon14
[09:22] <kuzmaster> ohhh cool
[09:22] <Otis> Ash-Fox: sorry, baby son interrupted for a few minutes :-) ....
[09:22] <kuzmaster> w00tage, now the updates are installing
[09:22] <Otis> Ash-Fox: someone is sending me their webcam from a MSN client ....
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> kuzmaster: cool
[09:22] <Otis> Ash-Fox: I see *one* frame from their webcam ....
[09:22] <Otis> Ash-Fox: and then my client says "the sender has stopped their webcam" ...
[09:23] <Ash-Fox> Otis, install the Kopete from here: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[09:23] <KDEfanboy> what's the apt line for official security updates repository?
[09:23] <Otis> Ash-Fox: while the sender sees "the receiver has stopped viewing your camera"
[09:23] <Otis> Ash-Fox: an update then ? I'll be giving that a shot
[09:23] <Ash-Fox> Otis, yes, it's quite the update :)
[09:23] <Ash-Fox> I forget what version kubuntu ships with, but it's quite old
[09:23] <Otis> Ash-Fox: er, is that official or what ?
[09:24] <Otis> ah, it's under kubuntu.org
[09:24] <Otis> ok, thanks a lot
[09:25] <Ash-Fox> It's made by someone that works on kubuntu, but it's not in the repositories, because of ubuntu's philosophy of keeping stable versions of stuff during releases
[09:25] <fishfillet> gyache-improved works great on my kubuntu :)
[09:26] <jarfer> buenos dias, perdonarme hay algun canal en espaol? es que soy nuevo en linux
[09:26] <Ash-Fox> !es
[09:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:27] <jarfer> muchas gracias
[09:27] <Otis> Ash-Fox: ok, sounds great, thanks again !
[09:27] <Otis> Ash-Fox: you have any pointers to a discussion on my specific topic ?
[09:27] <Ash-Fox> Otis, well, the fact that msn webcams work for me with that version of kopete... Just try updating :)
[09:29] <Otis> Ash-Fox: ok, brilliant, cheers !
[09:29] <Ayabara> I used ubuntu earlier, and just before dapper came out someone added a fix to the kernel that made the media keys on my Dell Inspiron 6000 work without tweaking any config files. I want that fix in kubuntu too, though I don't remember what it was... :-/
[09:30] <Ash-Fox> Otis, oh, if you need help installing it, just do 'sudo dpkg -i kopete-package.deb' (replace the .deb with the one you downloaded, if you're using a PC, you'll want the one that has the 386/586/686 in the filename)
[09:31] <kuzmaster> off topic, but dose anyone here own a netgear mp101 wireless music streamer?
[09:32] <kuzmaster> anyone. yes..... no.....
[09:32] <Ash-Fox> no.
[09:33] <alexicon> no :P
[09:33] <kuzmaster> hmmmm
[09:33] <kuzmaster> theres supposed to be some alternative server software for it
[09:33] <kuzmaster> and i wanted to look at it
[09:33] <kuzmaster> aw well
[09:35] <kuzmaster> wat is that program called that puts extra programs into the kmenu?
[09:37] <halfbloodprince> kextra
[09:37] <halfbloodprince> kidding :\
[09:38] <kuzmaster> well i thought it was kapps, but it wasnt
[09:38] <kuzmaster> now, im downloading/installing gaim via adept, its stuck on "Waiting for headers 0%'
[09:38] <kuzmaster> and help?
[09:42] <xanax`> hello
[09:43] <mattikoo> Have kubuntu some package what analyzes hardware problems?
[09:44] <mattikoo> Or find it
[09:44] <kuzmaster> im downloading/installing gaim via adept, its stuck on "Waiting for headers 0%'
[09:44] <kuzmaster> and help?
[09:44] <kuzmaster> please?
[09:45] <Otis> doink
[09:47] <bc_> hi
[09:48] <bc_> how can i upgrade t o kde 3.5.4 for dapper
[09:49] <bc_> anybody
[09:49] <bc_> help pls
[09:51] <Otis> "system upgrade" ? in the systems folder ?
[09:51] <Otis> bc_: not entirely sure, I'm booted up in Windows here ;-)
[09:51] <Otis> PLEASE DON'T HURT ME
[09:51] <bc_> what
[09:52] <bc_> this rooms is so quiet
[09:52] <Otis> K menu -> system -> system upgrade (I'm typing from memory, you'll have to go and look for yourself)
[09:52] <xanax`> it's early in Europe bc_
[09:52] <xanax`> and I guess USA is still sleeping
[09:53] <Otis> and it's saturday morning
[09:54] <Otis> and people have hangovers
[09:54] <Otis> (when they will wake up)
[09:54] <bc_> hahah
[09:54] <bc_> sorry,
[09:55] <bc_> i don't know
[09:56] <bc_> so anyone can give repository link for uograde kde
[09:56] <bc_> upgrade
[09:57] <bc_> hello
[09:58] <bc_> wht ever
[09:58] <xanax`> bc :
[09:58] <xanax`> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[09:59] <llxcamxll> i added a unofficial repository and now i can't open adept
[09:59] <llxcamxll> i need some help
[09:59] <niceman2> kubuntu sucks
[09:59] <bc_> xanax, thx
[09:59] <bc_> hey niceman2
[09:59] <niceman2> sup
[10:00] <niceman2> i use windows xp its better
[10:00] <bc_> u have been ban at ubuntu forum
[10:00] <xanax`> lol
[10:00] <bc_> now u here
[10:00] <llxcamxll> no friends
[10:00] <bc_> yeah cause u're stupid
[10:00] <niceman2> u know what
[10:00] <niceman2> fuck u
[10:00] <niceman2> i don't need friends
[10:00] <bc_> hah
[10:00] <niceman2> i am a hacker
[10:00] <llxcamxll> lol
[10:00] <yml> hello
[10:00] <llxcamxll> hacker
[10:00] <bc_> yeah2
[10:01] <niceman2> yes i download warez and stuff
[10:01] <llxcamxll> lol
[10:01] <llxcamxll> limewire
[10:01] <niceman2> leet hacker stuff
[10:01] <niceman2> naa you can't get anything off limewiere
[10:01] <niceman2> torrents are the best
[10:01] <niceman2> and xdcc botz
[10:01] <yml> I am trying to get an environment to do some C programming on my Kubuntu box
[10:01] <llxcamxll> wild
[10:02] <llxcamxll> so like why you in here??
[10:02] <niceman2> i heard there was good warez here
[10:02] <bc_> a guy like u, should be dead
[10:02] <llxcamxll> xp blows hardcore
[10:02] <yml> I try to compile a simple gcc hello.c
[10:02] <llxcamxll> can anyone help me
[10:02] <llxcamxll> anyone
[10:03] <bc_> are billgate son? niceman2
[10:03] <niceman2> i can compile a hello.c on my visaull c++ easy
[10:03] <yml> llxcamxll> what is the problem
[10:03] <niceman2> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'''''''''''''''''''''';;;;;;;;;;;;;'''''''''''''''''';;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'''''''''''';;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'''''''''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> ''''''''''
[10:03] <llxcamxll> i added a unofficial repository and now i can't open adept
[10:03] <niceman2> l;;
[10:03] <niceman2> ';''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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[10:03] <niceman2> ''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> ''
[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''''''''''
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[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''''
[10:03] <niceman2> '''''''''''''
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[10:04] <llxcamxll> wtf
[10:04] <niceman2> '''''''''
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[10:04] <niceman2> ''''''
[10:04] <niceman2> '
[10:04] <niceman2> '''
[10:04] <Snake[Sleep] > !ops
[10:04] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[10:04] <halfbloodprince> spam attack
[10:04] <niceman2> 8[10:04] <bc_> just ban this guy
[10:04] <niceman2> i was klined before
[10:04] <niceman2> i always come back
[10:04] <heinkel_111> niceman2 .... you are so ignored :P
[10:04] <Snake[Sleep] > ty fdoving
[10:05] <llxcamxll> so can you help me yml
[10:05] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[10:05] <yml> how did you add the depot
[10:05] <yml> ?
[10:05] <Snake[Sleep] > fdoving: perhaps make that ban a bit less vauge though
[10:05] <Snake[Sleep] > fdoving: you just blocked out a lot of adelphia
[10:05] <llxcamxll> in adept, just added it in the manage repository bit
[10:05] <Snake[Sleep] > :-P
[10:06] <Snake[Sleep] > anyway I gotta get to bed
[10:06] <Snake[Sleep] > night all
[10:06] <yml> when I compile my hello.c I get this error message: hello.c:1:20: error:  stdio.h: No such file or directory
[10:06] <fdoving> Snake[Sleep] : no, i didn't, just the ones with none as username/ident.
[10:07] <llxcamxll> so like can anyone help????
[10:07] <yml> llxcamxll> could you post sources.list on pastebin
[10:08] <bc_> llxcamxll: try to edit your source.list
[10:08] <bc_> just make all setting default
[10:08] <llxcamxll> sorry guys but i'm new to this so like could you tell me what to do
[10:08] <llxcamxll> in dumb terminology
[10:09] <bc_> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:09] <llxcamxll> k
[10:09] <Otis> llxcamxll: I would if I could but that fool spammer kinda confused things for a bit
[10:09] <Otis> care to repeat ?
[10:09] <yml> also I have a file called /usr/include/stdio.h
[10:10] <llxcamxll> theres nothing in the sources list file
[10:10] <yml> but for some reasons gcc does not find it?
[10:10] <Otis> yml: what's your command line ? cc something ?
[10:10] <yml> gcc hello.c
[10:10] <Otis> yml: because you're going to have to either 1) specify the include path on that command line or 2) create an environment variable indicating where includes are
[10:10] <bc_> llxcamxll: just make all setting default
[10:11] <xanax`> bc : you saw my private message ?
[10:11] <Otis> I suggest doing a man gcc and looking for the options in what is displayed. I think -i lets you specify a list of  include directories
[10:11] <yml> Otis> I acould you please let me know How I can specify the include path?
[10:11] <yml> or should I read the man?
[10:13] <llxcamxll> where do i do that??
[10:13] <llxcamxll> The APT Database could not be opened!
[10:13] <llxcamxll> This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem
[10:13] <llxcamxll> Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[10:13] <llxcamxll> i ran apt-setup but i got nothing
[10:13] <Otis> yml: I'm not booted in Linux right now so you're just going to have to do man gcc and read
[10:13] <Otis> "man gcc" is a command
[10:13] <halfbloodprince> KDE vs GNOME
[10:14] <Otis> they're BOTH GOOD !!
[10:14] <llxcamxll> this is fucked
[10:14] <Otis> now shoo
[10:14] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[10:14] <llxcamxll> why the fuck won't adept run
[10:14] <bc_> llxcamxll : try to edit your sources.list
[10:14] <bc_> llxcamxll : sudo vi /etc/apt/souces.list
[10:14] <Otis> llxcamxll: you say "won't run" ... does it not start at all ?
[10:15] <Otis> llxcamxll: surely it's giving you some output saying what's wrong, no ?
[10:15] <yml> llxcamxll>could you post your sources.list on http://paste.e-scribe.com
[10:16] <llxcamxll> sorry
[10:16] <llxcamxll> phone call
[10:16] <llxcamxll> yeah won't start
[10:16] <bc_> just do it what yml says
[10:16] <llxcamxll> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[10:17] <llxcamxll>  Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[10:17] <Otis> llxcamxll: that's because you still have the sources.list file open in vi
[10:17] <Otis> close vi
[10:17] <llxcamxll> what is vi
[10:17] <xanax`> a text editor
[10:17] <Otis> vi is the editor
[10:17] <llxcamxll> i only put this on here yesterday so i know nothing] 
[10:17] <bc_> use console
[10:17] <Otis> when you did "sudo vi [etc] " ... you opened the editor
[10:17] <Otis> llxcamxll: close vi
[10:19] <llxcamxll> there is no VI open
[10:19] <llxcamxll> like what the fuck
[10:19] <llxcamxll> there is no file in the sources list folder
[10:19] <Otis> you did "sudo vi /etc/apt/souces.list", right ?
[10:19] <llxcamxll> no
[10:19] <Otis> ah ok
[10:19] <llxcamxll> i only got this yesterday
[10:20] <Otis> I thought you had ... you'd pasted that line further up
[10:20] <voicu> the message says that the database cannot be opened.. that's not /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Otis> voicu: ah, you're right
[10:20] <Otis> llxcamxll: have you (by any chance) got another session of Adept or Synaptic open ?
[10:20] <llxcamxll> it stopped working as soon as i added this unofficial repository
[10:20] <llxcamxll> no
[10:20] <voicu> llxcamxll: you should reinstall apt
[10:20] <yml> Otis> I tried this :gcc -I/usr/include/  hello.c => gcc is still not finding stdio
[10:20] <Otis> llxcamxll: or did you do an apt-get in a terminal that hasn't finished ?
[10:21] <llxcamxll> nope
[10:21] <Otis> llxcamxll: hm, I've run out of ideas here .... no great expert myself, sorry
[10:21] <llxcamxll> thanks anyway
[10:21] <yml> llxcamxll> try to close everything on your desktop
[10:22] <llxcamxll> this is the only thing open on my desktop
[10:22] <yml> to make sure you do not have an application locking apt
[10:22] <yml> what is this?
[10:22] <voicu> that's not going to work, if another program like adept is running apt would that dpkg is locked by another program
[10:22] <voicu> it won't give an error about the database
[10:22] <Otis> yml: you need -L/user/include
[10:23] <Otis> whoops, I meant -L/usr/include
[10:23] <llxcamxll> may aswell put windows on here
[10:23] <Otis> llxcamxll: yes, you should
[10:23] <llxcamxll> lol
[10:23] <Otis> yml: all Linux commands are case-sensitive
[10:23] <yml> gcc -L /usr/include/  hello.c this give the same error message
[10:23] <llxcamxll> trying to expand my horizons
[10:23] <jackle> Moring everyone
[10:24] <abattoir> llxcamxll: you get the database locked error?
[10:24] <Otis> yml: ah fuck, I'm getting confused .... you had it right -I capital i, right ? damn
[10:24] <llxcamxll> i'll paste the error abbattoir
[10:24] <Otis> llxcamxll: yes but I think you're trying to skip a few steps before you can appreciate Linux
[10:24] <yml> Otis > no problem
[10:24] <llxcamxll> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[10:24] <Otis> llxcamxll: try and enjoy the experience you get from using official releases and using GUI tools for as much as possible
[10:24] <jackle> I have an lvm problem.. my lvm doesnt want to mount .. can anyone maybe help?
[10:25] <abattoir> llxcamxll: and you ran both those commands?
[10:25] <yml> could you open sources.list with a text editor?
[10:25] <Otis> llxcamxll: do like the message says ... open a terminal and run "apt-get update"
[10:25] <bc_> llxcamxll: have u check u'r sources.list
[10:25] <yml> and copy paste its content in a pastebin
[10:25] <llxcamxll> kk
[10:25] <voicu> it's not because of sources.list...
[10:26] <abattoir> llxcamxll: 'sudo apt-get update'
[10:26] <bc_> there is some thing wrong in soures.list i guess
[10:26] <llxcamxll> Type 'http://debian.video.free.fr/' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <fdoving> llxcamxll: missing 'deb' in front of the url.
[10:26] <halfbloodprince> this is a random question: but does kubuntu freeze up a lot? (i heard this rumour)
[10:26] <abattoir> llxcamxll: ok, you tried to add a repository, and it didnt go well
[10:26] <fdoving> halfbloodprince: i haven't experienced that once.. yet.
[10:27] <llxcamxll> yep
[10:27] <Marki> hello, my synaptic won't update anything anymore saying: "could not connect to localhost 127.0.0.1"
[10:27] <llxcamxll> how do i undo my mistake
[10:27] <fdoving> Marki: check proxy settings.
[10:27] <abattoir> llxcamxll: 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:27] <abattoir> llxcamxll: that command will open that file in a text editor
[10:28] <halfbloodprince> fdoving: thanks
[10:28] <llxcamxll> k
[10:28] <abattoir> llxcamxll: prefix the 'http://debian.video.free.fr..' line with 'deb'
[10:28] <abattoir> llxcamxll: or you can regenerate your sources.list
[10:29] <abattoir> llxcamxll: why did you add that repository? if i may ask?
[10:29] <Marki> normally i have no proxies i alredady did : "unset http_proxy" the graphical synaptic does not work either
[10:29] <Marki> on a forum some guy had the same problem and he said this: "
[10:29] <Marki> I at least fix part of my problem by using the command
[10:29] <Marki> unset http_proxy
[10:29] <Marki> it seems I had a proxy setup that I did not know about
[10:29] <Marki> This fix programs executed from the command line but when I try to use a program like synaptic it still doesn't work
[10:29] <tonio_> imbrandon: that's what I thought :)
[10:29] <llxcamxll> dunno
[10:29] <llxcamxll> forgotten
[10:30] <Marki> my problem is that i don't know the commands i have to use on the command line to update :S
[10:30] <tonio_> the patch doesn't work since kds already overwrites the cpp file settings
[10:30] <abattoir> llxcamxll: well, it is generally not recommended to add third party repositories...
[10:30] <tonio_> imbrandon: I'm fixing kds and removing Mez patch, since it is not of any use afaik ;)
[10:30] <llxcamxll> ahh ok
[10:30] <abattoir> !source-o-matic
[10:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:31] <abattoir> llxcamxll: you can either do what i said initially(about prefixing 'deb ' in that line) or regenerate your file^^^^
[10:31] <llxcamxll> thanks guys, we have lift off
[10:31] <llxcamxll> appreciate the help
[10:31] <llxcamxll> no windows xp for me
[10:31] <halfbloodprince> ||xcamx|| : no windows xp at all?
[10:32] <jackle> Anyone... plz plz plz
[10:32] <abattoir> jackle: what's your question?
[10:32] <llxcamxll> well like i had xp on here but my cousin fucked around with system32 files
[10:32] <jackle> abattoir: I count mount my lvm (it cant determine the filesystem type)
[10:32] <llxcamxll> so i had no format disc and like i wanted to use my laptop so i just installed kubuntu on here
[10:32] <jackle> *cant
[10:33] <calcmandan> Hello awesome people
[10:33] <abattoir> !lvm
[10:33] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:33] <abattoir> jackle: see if that helps you^^^^
[10:33] <abattoir> jackle: see if that helps you^^^^
[10:33] <halfbloodprince> xcam, so u dont need xp at all?
[10:33] <jackle> abattoir: I did.
[10:33] <llxcamxll> nope
[10:34] <halfbloodprince> what do you use your comp for?
[10:34] <llxcamxll> i got it on my desktop pc
[10:34] <llxcamxll> i only use this for movies and music and shite
[10:34] <llxcamxll> multimedia style
[10:35] <llxcamxll> and like i was bored so i downloaded this and installed it
[10:35] <jackle> abattoir: Is there a way that I can maybe "convert" a lvm partition (it is already in ext3 format) to a plain ext3 partition.. eg: /dev/sda1 is lvm .. not /dev/sda1 become ext3 not lvm thus I can maybe resque the data?
[10:36] <llxcamxll> does anyone have the patience to explain compiling source code
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> just tried installing Kubuntu 6.10 node II on a toshiba 2450 and it hung when it tried to load the desktop, Kubuntu 6.06 works fine
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> toshiba 2450 laptop that is
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> or replace Kernel Panic with . system has suffered a "God moment" please reboot
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> oops wrong screen
[10:40] <Marki> how do i do this:
[10:40] <Marki> I figured out my problem. I didn't format my home partition and it kept all my setting from before the upgrade and something in there was conflicting with the upgraded version. I simply created a new user, logged in with them and copied its settings over to my old user
[10:40] <jackle> abattoir: ?
[10:41] <abattoir> jackle: ???
[10:41] <voicu> llxcamxll: if you want to compile a program then you usually have to run ./configure, make, and sudo make install. if there are dependency problems, ./configure should tell you. but the thing is once you installed a program like that it's hard to uninstall it. you should always use packeges (preferably from repositories)
[10:41] <abattoir> jackle: connection got timed out, so didnt say any messages(if you had typed any)
[10:41] <jackle> abattoir: Is there a way that I can maybe "convert" a lvm partition (it is already in ext3 format) to a plain ext3 partition.. eg: /dev/sda1 is lvm .. not /dev/sda1 become ext3 not lvm thus I can maybe resque the data?
[10:42] <voicu> llxcamxll, you have to run those commands inside the source directory
[10:42] <voicu> that you downloaded from the internet
[10:44] <abattoir> jackle: http://predisposition.com/stuff/archives/35-lvm-in-rescue-mode.html might help?
[10:44] <halfbloodprince> is mepis any good?
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> yeah its ok, very slow though
[10:45] <jackle> abattoir: I cant. I e2fsck throws errors (cant locate the superblock)
[10:46] <abattoir> jackle: i'm not sure... i cant search for you if you want..
[10:46] <Netcad> how to configure vhost based named dir?
[10:47] <jackle> abattoir: I tried searching.. but either I 'm searching incorrectly or it doesnt exists. Can I somehow resque the superblock?
[10:50] <abattoir> jackle: and tune2fs doesnt help?
[10:52] <yml> I would like to know what I should installed or configure to get gcc compiling a simple hello.c
[10:52] <hunter> hi
[10:52] <jackle> abattoir: I'll quickly check it out. Some people on the web also says one can make mkfs to only write superblock info?
[10:52] <hunter> yml: gcc hello.c ?
[10:53] <abattoir> jackle: i'm not sure... and you cant get any help at #LVM ?
[10:53] <jackle> abattoir: I am also there.. but nobody wants to talk
[10:53] <yml> When I try to do so I get the following error message:hello.c:1:20: error:  stdio.h: No such file or directory
[10:54] <yml> hunter> This is what I am doing but gcc does not find stdio.h
[10:54] <hunter> how do you include stdio.h? install libc6-dev
[10:54] <yml> hunter> It is installed
[10:54] <hunter> yml: do you use "" or <> to include it?
[10:55] <halfbloodprince> umm, i have a quick partitioning question
[10:55] <yml> hunter> I am going to paste my code somewhere 3 lines
[10:56] <hunter> yml: ok, use query :-)
[10:56] <hunter> oh, private queries with unregistered nicks are not allowed... argl
[10:57] <halfbloodprince> anyone?
[10:57] <hunter> yml: you can use http://rafb.net/paste/ to put your 3 lines online
http://paste.e-scribe.com/1484/
[10:59] <hunter> yml: remove the whitespace between the < and the stdiou.h
[10:59] <hunter> -u
[10:59] <halfbloodprince> ok, say i reformat my hard drive, and re-install windows,  creating a 25gb partition for it. now, say i leave the rest of it unpartitioned, how will the kubuntu installer detect it, and how do i tell it to install kubuntu in the unpartitioned space
[11:02] <FoxHunter> ah, now back with a registered nick :-)
[11:03] <yml> hunter> Thank you for your help
[11:04] <FoxHunter> yml: you're welcome :-)
[11:05] <FoxHunter> bye
[11:08] <kraut> moin
[11:09] <halfbloodprince> can anyone help me out with my partitioning problem?
[11:12] <halfbloodprince> no one? damn
[11:12] <alexicon> hrm anyone have their amarok working with last.fm radio?
[11:13] <alexicon> what is your partitioning problem?
[11:13] <halfbloodprince> say i reformat my hard drive, and re-install windows, creating a 25gb partition for it. now, say i leave the rest of it unpartitioned, how will the kubuntu installer detect it, and how do i tell it to install kubuntu in the unpartitioned space
[11:14] <Chousuke>  I think the installer has a "use free space" option
[11:14] <alexicon> it will detect that there is "free space" at the end of the disk
[11:14] <alexicon> and the installer allows you to further partition and format
[11:14] <alexicon> where ever you tell it to put the /
[11:15] <alexicon> and it will warn you which partitions its going to touch for formatting
[11:16] <parsek> why doesnt konqueror remember the "show creation time" setting altough i have saved the view profile
[11:18] <halfbloodprince> that's the confusing part alexicon
[11:18] <halfbloodprince> where exactly do i tell it to put the /
[11:20] <ibrahim> hello  all
[11:21] <ibrahim> i am new to kubuntu, i've just finished the installation
[11:21] <parsek> next time i open the folder the (View->Show details->Show creation time) is grey and it doesnt show the creation time of files
[11:24] <halfbloodprince> hey ibrahim
[11:24] <halfbloodprince> how are you?
[11:24] <halfbloodprince> i'm new to kubuntu, i'll be installing it soon
[11:24] <halfbloodprince> how was your installing experience
[11:26] <halfbloodprince> ??
[11:26] <halfbloodprince> somebody ping me
[11:30] <mezz> pong
[11:30] <mezz> (sorry, v slow)
[11:31] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[11:31] <halfbloodprince> i have some questions :=
[11:31] <halfbloodprince> L\
[11:31] <halfbloodprince> :\ dammit
[11:36] <alex_> hola!!
[11:36] <halfbloodprince> hey alex_
[11:36] <alex_> ke tal
[11:36] <alex_> komo estas?
[11:37] <alexicon> does anyone have /usr/bin/rc or know what package it relates to?
[11:39] <alex_> hey algun programador de linux ke pueda darle algunas sabias palabras ke puedan darle a un novato interesado en aprender a programar para linux
[11:40] <halfbloodprince> english?
[11:40] <alex_> alguien ke me pueda sakar de algunas dudas!
[11:40] <alex_> so so
[11:40] <Jucato> !es
[11:40] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:40] <Jucato> !pt
[11:40] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:40] <alex_> ok
[11:40] <alex_> sorry
[11:41] <alex_> and tanks!
[11:41] <Jucato> :)
[11:42] <halfbloodprince> Jucato, what'sup
[11:42] <halfbloodprince> just the man i wanted to talk to :p
[11:43] <Jucato> huh? :)
[11:43] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[11:43] <halfbloodprince> i just had some questions regarding partitioning
[11:43] <Jucato> ooh...
[11:43] <Jucato> hope I can help. I'm no expert either :)
[11:45] <halfbloodprince> well, it's about dual booting.. say i re-format my hard drive (40gb), and create a 25gb partition for windows (ntfs), and leave the rest unpartitioned
[11:45] <halfbloodprince> how do i tell the ubuntu installer to install in the unpartitioned space
[11:46] <Jucato> hmm... there's an option in the installer to use an available free space (forgot the full text of that option)
[11:47] <halfbloodprince> are there any further options i need to know?
[11:48] <halfbloodprince> after i select that one
[11:48] <Jucato> hm.. I'm not sure. I usually edit the partitions manually (3rd option, I think)...
[11:49] <Jucato> err... excuse me halfbloodprince, I need to go for a while... :(
[11:49] <halfbloodprince> ok
[11:49] <halfbloodprince> thanks :)
[11:49] <Jucato> :)
[11:51] <vasi> hi, i'm trying to install kubuntu dapper from the live CD
[11:51] <vasi> but when i get to the "manual partitioning" stage, nothing appears in the installer window to let me partition
[11:51] <halfbloodprince> hi vasi
[11:52] <vasi> any idea what i should try?
[11:52] <halfbloodprince> i wouldn't know
[11:52] <halfbloodprince> i'm scared of manual partitions
[11:52] <halfbloodprince> do you know how to partition it manually?
[11:53] <vasi> yeah, i've been on a linux spree lately
[11:53] <vasi> this is something like the 7th distro i've installed this week :-)
[11:53] <halfbloodprince> ah okay
[11:54] <vasi> i'd really rather not wipe my whole hard drive if i can avoid it
[11:54] <halfbloodprince> i have a question regarding partition
[11:54] <halfbloodprince> can you help me out?
[11:54] <vasi> maybe...i'm a PPC guy, but i'll help as much as i can
[11:54] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[11:55] <alex_> hey
[11:55] <vasi> ah, my problem is on the "known bugs" page
[11:55] <halfbloodprince> I have a 40gb hard drive, i plan to reformat it, and create a 25gb partition for windows (dual boot). i plan to leave the rest of it unpartitioned
[11:55] <vasi> "installer will crash if manual partitioning is used" :-(
[11:55] <halfbloodprince> when i install ubunto from the cd, how do i tell it to install using the 15gb unpartitioned space
[11:55] <alex_> whats the chanels for spanis??
[11:55] <alexicon> can anyone please tell me what /usr/bin/rc contains?
[11:56] <halfbloodprince> oh yeah vasi, that's a reported bug i think
[11:56] <alexicon> !es
[11:56] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:56] <alex_> ok tank you again ;)
[11:56] <vasi> alexicon: i have nothing in that path
[11:56] <alexicon> nod
[11:56] <alexicon> thanks
[11:56] <vasi> i think 'rc' is usually in /etc?
[11:56] <alexicon> i have a feeling its a shell
[11:57] <vasi> yeah, it should be a shell script
[11:57] <vasi> very important for booting :-)
[11:57] <alexicon> hrm nah i think its a different one
[11:57] <alexicon> its a dependancy for bashish
[11:58] <alexicon> rc is a command interpreter and programming language similar to sh(1).
[11:58] <halfbloodprince> vasi, can u help me out?
[11:59] <vasi> halfbloodprince: well you should be able to choose manual partitioning
[11:59] <halfbloodprince> and after i choose that?
[12:00] <vasi> and then there will probably be an option to "automatically partition free space", at least most distros have that
[12:00] <vasi> otherwise you will have to manually allocate a swap and root partition
[12:00] <alexicon> if you let it auto configure it should figure out what free space to create that will preserve windows
[12:01] <halfbloodprince> alexicon: if i let it autoconfigure, it will also consider the free space in the windows partition
[12:02] <halfbloodprince> i want it to install only in the unpartitioned space
[12:02] <alexicon> what do you see in the paritioner?
[12:03] <halfbloodprince> there are 3 optiosn right
[12:04] <halfbloodprince> hold on, i'm watching a video which tells me how to dual boot
[12:05] <Pensacola> I accidentaly closed my kde-menu-taskbar
[12:05] <vasi> if i choose "automatic partitioning", do i get a chance to review the result?
[12:05] <Pensacola> how can I get it back?
[12:05] <Jucato> Pensacola: Alt+F2 and type in "kicker"
[12:05] <halfbloodprince> vasi: automatic partitioning is 50-50 i think
[12:05] <Pensacola> didn't work :s
[12:06] <Pensacola> I've closed it with kxdocker :s
[12:06] <alexicon> vasi i think it should confirm which partitions its going to format
[12:06] <Jucato> Pensacola: how did you close it?
[12:06] <kasim> hi kubuntu-users, every time I start my kubuntu dapper with kde 3.5.4 the "personal-preference-assistent" (exact name unknown) pops up. How can I get rid of that behaviour?
[12:06] <alexicon> cant remember 100% tho
[12:06] <Pensacola> I've closed it by right clicking on the kde menu in kxdocker and close kde menu
[12:07] <kiizeli> can someone help me :S, i try to edit /etc/apt/sources.list-file whit sudo gedit command, but sudo says that gedit command not found??
[12:07] <abattoir> kiizeli: use kate instead of gedit
[12:07] <Jucato> kiizeli: we don't have gedit. substitute "kate"
[12:07] <kiizeli> aa
[12:07] <kiizeli> ok
[12:07] <abattoir> hi Jucato
[12:07] <Jucato> abattoir! hi
[12:07] <lupine_85> and use kdesu instead of sudo :)
[12:08] <Pensacola> when I type in kicker it gives me another kxdocker bar :s
[12:08] <Jucato> ooh thanks for adding that lupine_85 :)
[12:08] <Jucato> Pensacola: hm.. I'm not overly familiar with how kxdocker works. doesn't it have an option to make the normal Kicker appear again?
[12:09] <lupine_85> Pensacola: killall kicker; kicker ?
[12:09] <Jucato> Pensacola: maybe you should close kxdocker first?
[12:10] <voicu> Hi, how do I configure my machine as a SMTP server?
[12:10] <voicu> What do I install?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> or kedit :)
[12:10] <lupine_85> voicu: install exim, postfix or sendmail
[12:10] <Pensacola> my kicker menu appears for a split second after typing in kicker but no way to get it to show :s
[12:10] <abattoir> Pensacola: kxdocker doesnt close the kicker, or make it disappear...
[12:10] <lupine_85> then Read The Manual
[12:10] <CVirus> !postfix
[12:10] <ubotu> postfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[12:10] <lupine_85> you don't want to become a spam relay
[12:10] <CVirus> voicu: ^
[12:10] <Pensacola> maybe if I reboot it will be fixed
[12:10] <abattoir> Pensacola: ok, do as i say...
[12:10] <Jucato> er....
[12:10] <voicu> ok thanks :)
[12:10] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'killall kicker'
[12:11] <Pensacola> jep
[12:11] <lupine_85> Pensacola: try shutting down and restarting X first?
[12:11] <lupine_85> ctrl+alt+bkspace
[12:11] <abattoir> hmm, why did he leave so soon? :(
[12:11] <lupine_85> meh
[12:11] <lupine_85> Reboots are for wimps;)
[12:11] <Jucato> lol
[12:11] <Jucato> Windows habit...
[12:11] <vasi> hmm, it seems my only choices are "Erase entire disk" or "Partition manually" (which crashes)
[12:12] <vasi> is there a way to use the text-mode installer from the desktop CD?
[12:12] <Jucato> vasi: unfortunately, no.
[12:13] <Pensacola> I was a bit fast, sorry
[12:13] <Jucato> vasi: it's the Alternate Install CD that has that feature
[12:13] <Pensacola> I pressed ctrl alt backspace
[12:13] <vasi> Jucato: thanks
[12:13] <vasi> i guess i'm off to download another CD :-/
[12:14] <Pensacola> lupine_85 ?
[12:14] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: the normal iso that you get doesn't allow you to partition manually?
[12:15] <lupine_85> ?
[12:15] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: of course it does :)
[12:15] <abattoir> Pensacola: did it work?
[12:15] <halfbloodprince> then what is the alternate install cd for
[12:15] <Jucato> text based installation and more advanced options
[12:16] <vasi> Jucato: do you know of any other way i can get around qtparted crashing in the desktop installer?
[12:16] <Jucato> vasi: that I don't know. it shouldn't be crashing at all...
[12:16] <vasi> (maybe there's a text-ui option to ubiquity or something...)
[12:17] <ubuntu> how to recognize and activate wireless card dell 1400 (bcm 4309)? Thank you!
[12:17] <vasi> the known bugs page says "Installer will crash if manual partitioning is used"
[12:17] <abattoir> vasi: what's your disk layout like?
[12:18] <abattoir> ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[12:18] <vasi> abattoir: i'm on PPC...i've got the standard Apple driver partitions, then a 30 GB HFS+ for OS X, 512 MB HFS+ for OS 9, bootstrap partition, swap, and ext2
[12:18] <vasi> i don't really NEED to do any partitioning, it's already done
[12:18] <abattoir> vasi: does qtparted give out any error?
[12:19] <abattoir> ubuntu: Section 1.2 onwards
[12:20] <metaph3r> Hi there. Anyone having problems too with the latest amarok 1.4.3 release? I can't play any music. It always says it can't find a demuxing plugin. I tried with ogg and mp3. I followed the installation instructions at kubuntu.org.
[12:21] <vasi> abattoir: abattoir: where can i paste my log?
[12:21] <abattoir> !pastebin
[12:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:21] <abattoir> vasi: ^^^
[12:21] <vasi> cool
[12:21] <voicu> Do I need a domain name for the SMTP server to work?
[12:22] <alexicon> metaph3r: what engine are you using with amarok
[12:22] <XVampireX> metaph3r: have you installed gstreamer stuff? and do you have xine engine?
[12:22] <alexicon> libxine-extracodecs
[12:22] <XVampireX> and xine-extracodecs
[12:22] <XVampireX> yeah
[12:22] <CVirus> voicu: it should work with no domain name .. but most of the websites will block your E-mails
[12:22] <vasi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22989
[12:23] <vasi> there's my installer syslog
[12:23] <halfbloodprince> what use is helix player
[12:23] <metaph3r> well, i'm using the standard xine engine of dapper
[12:23] <voicu> CVirus: OK, now it makes sense why gmail didn't receive my mail :D
[12:23] <CVirus> voicu: Gmail should accept it by the way
[12:23] <vasi> note btw that qtparted seems to launch ok if i run it standalone
[12:23] <CVirus> voicu: hotmail doesnt though
[12:23] <halfbloodprince> vasi: standalone, as in?
[12:24] <metaph3r> the extracodecs package ist installed
[12:24] <voicu> CVirus: maybe it takes longer to receive it? postfix said it got delivered
[12:24] <Pensacola> abattoir it didn't work :s
[12:24] <CVirus> voicu: it should be there by the time postfix has said that it was deleivered
[12:24] <vasi> halfbloodprince: as in running 'qtparted' from the command line
[12:24] <abattoir> vasi: what tool did you use to create the ext2 parition?
[12:24] <CVirus> voicu: mailq and check if its qeued or not
[12:24] <abattoir> Pensacola: you left before i could even tell you what to do :P
[12:25] <Pensacola> yeah, sorry :)
[12:25] <vasi> abattoir: it's unformatted at the moment
[12:25] <Pensacola> i know it's running now but I can't get it to show
[12:25] <vasi> i'll format it and see if that does anygood
[12:25] <voicu> CVirus: the queue is empty
[12:25] <CVirus> voicu: it should be in your inbox then .. or check your junk
[12:25] <abattoir> Pensacola: you want the regular kicker that comes w/ kubuntu, not kxdocker, right?
[12:26] <heinkel_111> is it so that when i install new software with adept, it will only display in K menu after restarting X-server?
[12:26] <heinkel_111> or in the next session, whatever?
[12:26] <voicu> CVirus: yep, it labeled me as spam :), thanks for thinking for me :P
[12:26] <Pensacola> jep
[12:26] <abattoir> heinkel_111: it doesnt get added immediately, yes
[12:26] <CVirus> voicu: no problem
[12:26] <abattoir> Pensacola: ok, 'killall kxdocker'
[12:27] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'killall kicker'
[12:27] <heinkel_111> ok, i just installed a lot of progs and could not find them in the menu :)
[12:27] <Pensacola> ok
[12:27] <vasi> abattoir: i just formatted it with 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda13'....i get the same error from the installer
[12:27] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc'
[12:27] <abattoir> Pensacola: 'kicker'
[12:28] <abattoir> vasi: as you might've noticed, "No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout!  Parted can't resize this (yet)."
[12:28] <Pensacola> thx abattoir it's back now
[12:28] <abattoir> ^^^from the old log
[12:28] <Pensacola> you guys rock
[12:28] <abattoir> Pensacola: good :)
[12:28] <kamika> hi, my xserver locks the system when i start the live cd, can i start it somehow in text only runlevel?
[12:28] <vasi> abattoir: yes, that's still there
[12:28] <CVirus> voicu: I would recommend that you read O'Reilly Postfix The Defintive Guide
[12:28] <vasi> i guess i can try to mount my partitions to make sure they're all sane
[12:28] <heinkel_111> can someone help me understand what katapult is supposed to do?
[12:29] <voicu> OK, thanks. This postfix thing is great
[12:29] <abattoir> heinkel_111: launch applications, run commands, open locations, bookmarks amarok playlists
[12:29] <abattoir> heinkel_111: oh, and calculate
[12:29] <heinkel_111> it was not included in the documentation...is there a guide or hompage?
[12:30] <vasi> abattoir: all my mountable partitions mount fine
[12:30] <vasi> i don't know why qtparted keeps saying my ext2 partition has a "strange layout" :-(
[12:31] <halfbloodprince> haha
[12:31] <abattoir> vasi: its actually, 'parted' the backend...
[12:31] <abattoir> vasi: could you pastebin /var/log/installer/syslog ?
[12:32] <abattoir> vasi: and also /var/log/partman
[12:33] <vasi> ok, i updated http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22990 with the new installer/syslog
[12:33] <abattoir> heinkel_111: http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Home
[12:34] <abattoir> vasi: next time, pls. put it separately
[12:34] <kamika> somebody hast an idea for my xserver problem?
[12:35] <abattoir> vasi: or are both the pastes the same?
[12:36] <heinkel_111> thank you , abattoir!
[12:36] <abattoir> heinkel_111: you're welcome
[12:36] <vasi> abattoir: the new stuff is at the end of installer/syslog
[12:36] <vasi> it was just appended to
[12:37] <vasi> ok, here's the ending portion of /var/log/partman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22992
[12:38] <XVampireX> E-Gay: You should join #gaygeeks :P
[12:38] <E-Gay> :)
[12:38] <heinkel_111> yes you should :)
[12:42] <vasi> hmm, it appears that when i try to do manual partitioning, the partman log isn't touched
[01:11] <ubuntu> amarok
[01:13] <heinkel_111> !amarok
[01:13] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[01:13] <halfbloodprince> isn't the latest version 1.4.3?
[01:14] <heinkel_111> i seem to be using 1.4.2 :)
[01:14] <halfbloodprince> www.amarok.org
[01:14] <halfbloodprince> sorry
[01:15] <halfbloodprince> http://amarok.kde.org/
[01:17] <heinkel_111> the package description for bugzilla describes the controllable regex mutilator ???
[01:17] <heinkel_111> obviously something must be wrong somewhere in the labyrinths of the repositories?
[01:17] <heinkel_111> where to report the bug then :P
[01:19] <Matalo> hi did somebody tried kde4 package on amd64
[01:19] <JohnFlux> Matalo: there's a kde4 package?
[01:19] <JohnFlux> Matalo: I compile kde4 from svn on amd64
[01:19] <abattoir> JohnFlux: yes... for i386, edgy, btw
[01:20] <JohnFlux> abattoir: heh
[01:20] <JohnFlux> abattoir: how pointless :-)
[01:20] <Matalo> no there is only i386 package, but i wondered if it works on amd64
[01:21] <abattoir> Matalo: KDE4 will surely work on amd64, but the i386 packages wont
[01:22] <abattoir> unless you mean an i386 install on an amd64 machine :P
[01:22] <Matalo> ok so i should compile it from svn ok than thanks
[01:22] <Matalo> no i have amd64 kubuntu
[01:22] <JohnFlux> Matalo: hmm
[01:22] <abattoir> aah, yes, then that's the solution :)
[01:23] <JohnFlux> Matalo: can you compile from svn?
[01:23] <JohnFlux> Matalo: i mean, do you have the skillz ;-)
[01:23] <JohnFlux> Matalo: it's often broken
[01:23] <Matalo> well i am not sure but i am developing already some stuff under qt4 i know it is not same but ... i can try at least :)
[01:26] <dhq> hey all
[01:27] <dhq> is there any software to improve the performance of sound while playon songs
[01:27] <dhq> !ping
[01:27] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[01:27] <JohnFlux> dhq: "performance of sound" ?
[01:28] <dhq> JohnFlux: well good effects in the sounds you know
[01:29] <JohnFlux> dhq: i'm not too sure what such a piece of software would do.
[01:29] <lupine_85> xmms has loads of plugins
[01:29] <dhq> !ping Hawkwind
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping Hawkwind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <lupine_85> one of those might do the trick (depending on what you want)
[01:30] <halfbloodprince> I think dhq means DSP effects
[01:30] <dhq> lupine_85: well there is nothing built in like which will improve it for all
[01:30] <lupine_85> true
[01:30] <ubuntu> oups !!
[01:30] <dhq> halfbloodprince: yes something like that
[01:30] <roger_> try blacksec.org
[01:31] <ubuntu> god morning for you
[01:31] <ubuntu> my novice linux
[01:31] <lupine_85> hi ubuntu
[01:31] <ubuntu> my old french man !!
[01:32] <ubuntu> hi lupine 85
[01:32] <lupine_85> if you have trouble with english, there are many foreign-language channel :)
[01:32] <lupine_85> !fr
[01:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:32] <lupine_85> ?
[01:32] <ubuntu> my fr
[01:47] <gogeta> hello
[01:47] <matus> hi
[01:47] <gogeta> my frend has a networking issue
[01:47] <gogeta> his isp is shitlol
[01:47] <gogeta> anyone knoe howto setup rogers cable
[01:49] <lupine_85> how is it terminated?
[01:50] <gogeta> simply not working lol
[01:50] <gogeta> sence install
[01:50] <malcolm> I've got a windows hdd(ntfs)  how do i mount in on kubuntu?
[01:51] <matus> does anybody know of any large (k)ubuntu jabber server/chatroom?
[01:51] <lupine_85> gogeta: how is the connection terminated? e.g. did he have to login from the windows partition? (PPPoE) Is it wireless? ethernet?
[01:52] <gogeta> its a pure system
[01:52] <gogeta> linux only
[01:52] <gogeta> i told him to try reseting the modem works on my isp anyways
[01:52] <lupine_85> if he doesn't know how the connection is terminated, he'll have to ask his ISP
[01:53] <lupine_85> it's hard to set something up if you don't know what you're aiming for ;)
[01:53] <gogeta> he said there shit never works unless he installs the softwhere
[01:53] <gogeta> windows crap
[01:53] <lupine_85> then it's probably PPPoE
[01:53] <gogeta> but being a cable ispi dont buy that
[01:53] <lupine_85> or something equally useless
[01:53] <malcolm> how do i mount my ntfs hdd?
[01:54] <lupine_85> malcolm: read-only
[01:54] <gogeta> ppoe is dsl
[01:54] <lupine_85> e.g. mount -t ntfs /dev/file /path/to/mount/point
[01:54] <lupine_85> gogeta: my dsl is PPPoA
[01:54] <lupine_85> regardless, if he doesn't know, he can't set it up
[01:54] <gogeta> hes a totalnoob
[01:55] <CapNemo> damned superkaramba doesnt install theme !
[01:55] <lupine_85> then he needs to get in touch with his ISP support ;)
[01:55] <gogeta> no use
[01:55] <gogeta> you say linux they laugh
[01:55] <parsek> how can i install an .rpm file
[01:55] <lupine_85> ...all he has to do is ask them how the connection is terminated
[01:55] <lupine_85> !alien
[01:55] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[01:56] <lupine_85> usually safe for application software
[01:56] <gogeta> termated humm
[01:56] <gogeta> not working probly no ip
[01:56] <lupine_85> as in, how the connection is presented to his home computer/the Windows software
[01:56] <gogeta> if i was at thepc i could tell you
[01:56] <lupine_85> presumably he needs to authenticate in some way; that usuall points to PPPoE
[01:57] <gogeta> i asked if it nedded some king of login he said no
[01:58] <halfbloodprince> yay i figured out my partitioning doubts by watching a video on google
[01:58] <gogeta> partations system
[01:58] <gogeta> system explods
[01:58] <gogeta> lol
[01:59] <lupine_85> lol
[01:59] <lupine_85> ok gogle suggests that it's a static IP setup
[01:59] <gogeta> well hes not back yet power cycling probly worked
[01:59] <lupine_85> erm, google rather
[01:59] <lupine_85> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-7.0/docs/Linux-mini-HOWTO/Cable-Modem
[01:59] <gogeta> yea i read that to but it also says it changed to dchp later
[02:01] <gogeta> aa newer doc did
[02:01] <gogeta> it must be working hes not back yet
[02:01] <gogeta> lol
[02:02] <gogeta> sence he switched pcs
[02:02] <parsek> ok so i dont use it but how can i get vlc to play files over network without konqueror downloading them first to tmp
[02:03] <gogeta> does it matter
[02:03] <gogeta> tmp is just that there deleted
[02:03] <parsek> but it takes a long time
[02:03] <parsek> 40s or something
[02:04] <lordkamau> Hie all...
[02:04] <gogeta> i think you can change the delay but im not shure abought not using tmp
[02:04] <lordkamau> have a quick question to ask ...
[02:05] <gogeta> well ask
[02:05] <Lynoure> it's even quicker when you just ask it :)
[02:05] <lordkamau> i am trying to set my linux ubuntu 6.06 system to work in dual head mode...
[02:06] <lordkamau> i tried installing ati drivers to no avail..
[02:06] <lordkamau> has any of you done this before?
[02:06] <gogeta> you probly will need those
[02:06] <gogeta> install ati driver yep
[02:07] <lordkamau> i just tried but get the "unsupported architecture" error
[02:07] <parsek> what craphics card you have BTW?
[02:08] <Healot> lordkamau: you're using a Mac?
[02:08] <gogeta> or 64bit
[02:08] <Healot> or different installer for different CPU architecture?
[02:08] <lordkamau> no...
[02:08] <lordkamau> i have a pent 4
[02:09] <halfbloodprince> does kubuntu recognize screen resolution, etc?
[02:09] <halfbloodprince>  i mean does it do it properly
[02:09] <Healot> things would be better if you tell use about the filename of the ATI installer, what ubuntu version you installed?
[02:10] <lordkamau> yeah....
[02:10] <lordkamau> ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run on ubuntu 6.06
[02:11] <lordkamau> i am using a hp pavilion laptop
[02:11] <Healot> are you sure you downloaded the correct installer for the correct ubuntu version?
[02:12] <lordkamau> there are only two options on the ati web site as far as linux go. Linux x86 and Linux x86_64
[02:13] <lordkamau> i chose Linux x86
[02:14] <lordkamau> the installer gives the option to unpack ubuntu 6.06 package but then it gives me the "unsupported architecture" error
[02:15] <Healot> okay, then it's really the isntaller fault.
[02:15] <toni__> ciao
[02:15] <toni__> qualcuno parla italiano?
[02:15] <MenZa> !it
[02:15] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:15] <toni__> vorrei un consiglio
[02:16] <toni__> !it
[02:16] <lordkamau> any suggestions?
[02:16] <MenZa> toni__: go to #kubuntu-it
[02:17] <Healot> use the ubuntu stock ati driver, the 3d one, xserver-driver-fglrx
[02:17] <Healot> !info 
[02:17] <ubotu> Package  does not exist in any distro I know
[02:18] <Healot> !info xserver-driver-fglrx
[02:18] <ubotu> Package xserver-driver-fglrx does not exist in any distro I know
[02:18] <Healot> !find fglrx
[02:18] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-control, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev, fglrx-kernel-source
[02:18] <Healot> xorg :)
[02:19] <lordkamau> so non of you guys has ever set up a dual head configuration?
[02:19] <lordkamau> on a pentium 4
[02:19] <Healot> not me, can't afford any extra monitor
[02:19] <Healot> !display
[02:19] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:20] <lordkamau> what good will restarting the x windows system do?
[02:21] <MenZa> reload your config settings.
[02:21] <lordkamau> ....as far as dual head mode goes
[02:21] <Healot> just follow the link, you'll find out how to figure duel monitor display
[02:22] <lordkamau> cool thanks y'all.
[02:23] <halfbloodprince> is there any one here who uses only kubuntu? no dual boot or vmware
[02:25] <DeadS0ul> I do
[02:25] <DeadS0ul> actually i dual boot
[02:25] <halfbloodprince> ah
[02:26] <DeadS0ul> apt-get upgrade *
[02:26] <tobias_> hello! is the only way to upgrade from dapper to edgy to use ubuntu's/gnome's update manager? 'Cause this would be akward...
[02:26] <DeadS0ul> naw
[02:26] <DeadS0ul> you can use commandline
[02:27] <tobias_> but the sources.list is set to the dapper-repos..
[02:27] <DeadS0ul> just update your sources.list by hand
[02:27] <DeadS0ul> make sure you know what you're doing
[02:28] <DeadS0ul> and things my break too =P
[02:29] <paran> tobias_: replace dapper with edgy everywhere in sources.list, run aptitude update then aptitude upgrade
[02:29] <tobias_> so there is no GUI-way to do this? I mean, i could do it manually, but i'm just thinking of the concept in generell... There is no Kubuntu/KDE tool to upgrade to the next kubuntu-version then..
[02:30] <paran> tobias_: can't you do that using adept in KDE?
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> use adept
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> you can edit your sources.lsit with and do a distupgarade
[02:30] <tobias_> you mean, go to adept & edit the sources.list from there?
[02:30] <DeadS0ul> yeah
[02:32] <tobias_> thanks!
[02:32] <tobias_> I won't upgrade just yet anyway - things are too unstable still in edgy ... but I wanted to have a look on how it's done when the time's right.
[02:33] <tobias_> has any of you guys upgraded to edgy already?
[02:35] <lackdiant> hi, which is the best application to make a video/gif/flash about desktop in kubuntu?
[02:35] <Russel> hiho
[02:35] <Russel> why does kopete not support jingle in dapper?
[02:35] <lackdiant> I saw screenkast and maybe another but I want to know about others apps
[02:38] <halfbloodprince> GAP?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Russel: because it needs a specific lib not in ubuntu
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it likely wont support it in edgy either, i expect
[02:39] <Russel> that is... stupid
[02:40] <Hobbsee> actually.  it does exist in ubuntu.  it's a different version
[02:40] <Hobbsee> and only one version works.
[02:40] <Russel> mhhh
[02:42] <Russel> how can i get a version with jingle? compile it myself?
[02:42] <abattoir> Russel: yes
[02:43] <abattoir> Russel: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[02:43] <Russel> thx
[02:48] <wolfgang> test
[02:49] <SonicChao> O.o
[02:49] <SonicChao> !test
[02:49] <ubotu> Failed.
[02:49] <SonicChao> Hm...
[02:49] <wolfgang> hallo
[02:49] <SonicChao> Well, please test in #tets
[02:49] <SonicChao> #test
[02:50] <wolfgang> sorry will nicht stren, habe nur mal geschaut was passiert wenn man klickt
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !de
[02:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:50] <wolfgang> schnen tag noch
[02:55] <Russel> Hobbsee: is it possible to have the old version for this in kubuntu?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Russel: not easily.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Russel: certainly not in dapper
[02:56] <Russel> in edgy?
[02:56] <CVirus> I Want a simple KDE picture editor .. suggestions ?
[02:57] <Russel> because kopete folks just use the libjingle and google uses ortp 0.7.1 (i think)
[02:58] <halfbloodprince> gimp?
[02:58] <halfbloodprince> there was something else.. i forgot
[02:58] <abattoir> CVirus: krita comes pre-installed
[02:58] <Russel> CVirus: krita
[02:58] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[02:58] <halfbloodprince> thats the one
[02:58] <CVirus> abattoir: Russel: I want a simple one
[02:58] <CVirus> !
[02:59] <abattoir> CVirus: you mean like paint ?
[02:59] <halfbloodprince> picasa?
[02:59] <CVirus> abattoir: exactly
[02:59] <abattoir> !info kolourpaint
[02:59] <ubotu> kolourpaint: a simple paint program for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1030 kB, installed size 2328 kB
[02:59] <abattoir> CVirus: ^^^^
[02:59] <halfbloodprince> picasa is available for linux, man
[02:59] <DeadS0ul> that's photo management
[02:59] <CVirus> halfbloodprince: why would I use closed source software !
[03:00] <halfbloodprince> you can edit in picasa too
[03:00] <halfbloodprince> ah
[03:00] <halfbloodprince> point
[03:00] <halfbloodprince> because it's google? :p
[03:00] <SonicChao> Picasa? I've never seen more sucky software.
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> SonicChao,   I can think of worse software. :P
[03:01] <SonicChao> CVirus: Kolourpaint is awesome, it's almost exactly like paint....if thats what you want
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> but it depends on  how sucky you want to get, old sucky, new sucky, or EGADS what where they thinking sucky!
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> :P
[03:02] <SonicChao> Dr_Willis: Come on. I dare you. ;)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Russel: yes.  the ortp is the problem
[03:02] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show libortp4 | grep Version
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Version: 1.3.5-1build1
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> That MS Digiatal Photo Program is sucky in new ways...
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> but the wife likes it.
[03:02] <DeadS0ul> kaffeine kinda sucks
[03:03] <SonicChao> Not as much as Picassa.
[03:03] <halfbloodprince> picasa isn't that bad actually
[03:03] <halfbloodprince> at least i dont tihnk so
[03:03] <DeadS0ul> picasa has gotten great reviews
[03:03] <SonicChao> I don't use anything closed source.
[03:04] <SonicChao> Except, w32codecs ;)
[03:04] <DeadS0ul> that doesnt' make other software sucky
[03:04] <SonicChao> Sure it does.
[03:04] <SonicChao> Windows could come preinstalled with 10 viruses for all we know.
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Nah. thats Os-X the X is for the # of exploits that are denied.
[03:05] <DeadS0ul> that's fud..
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:05] <SonicChao> lol
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Picasa for linux - is still using WIne? or did they finially make a native port?
[03:05] <MetaMorfoziS> :)))
[03:05] <halfbloodprince> people keep talking about windows vs linux... i've never seen a os x vs linux comparison
[03:05] <SonicChao> That's because OS X is Unixish.
[03:05] <SonicChao> So we tend to like it.
[03:05] <halfbloodprince> there is a google port
[03:06] <halfbloodprince> automatix installs it
[03:06] <Healot> people talking about Windows vs. Linux are saggy geeks :)
[03:06] <SonicChao> lol Healot
[03:06] <Healot> hey
[03:07] <Healot> I would like whatever OS I would like to use
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Windows Vs Linux.. Like Discussing  "Table Saw Vs Router"
[03:07] <Russel> i could say a lot about osx -.-
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> :P
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Table saw is good for its jobs.. but the router can be so much more flexiable.
[03:07] <SonicChao> OS X vs Linux would be fork against spoon
[03:07] <SonicChao> That's how similar they are. ;)
[03:08] <Dr_Willis> Spork vs a Spoon. :)
[03:09] <trans-awy> hello, whats the difference between version 6.06 and 6.06.1?
[03:10] <Healot> read the changelog?
[03:10] <|lostbyte|> Hai, guys :)
[03:10] <Healot> basically it fixed the GUI installer, etc. etc.
[03:11] <trans-awy> pardon me, linux noob here, but 6.06.1 is still a stable version right?
[03:11] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[03:11] <trans-awy> alright, thanks
[03:11] <halfbloodprince> if you're getting a new one, get 6.06.1
[03:11] <Healot> fix to a stable version
[03:11] <trans-awy> ok, cool
[03:12] <halfbloodprince> if you get 6.06, then you might have to install a whole bunch of updates
[03:12] <shadowhywind> morning all
[03:13] <Healot> 218 updates pending...
[03:14] <shadowhywind> i have a quick question, during install i had to turn acpi=off, i removed it and tried starting and it kept freezeing, is there a package that i am missing?
[03:15] <Healot> !find acpi
[03:15] <ubotu> Found: acpi, acpid, acpidump, acpitool, wmacpi (and 3 others)
[03:16] <shadowhywind> what are the chances that if i install those packagess that it will freeze on startup like it was doing beforeE?
[03:18] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:18] <halfbloodprince> hello
[03:25] <halfbloodprince> yay i know how to dual boot now
[03:25] <halfbloodprince> all that's left is downloading the iso, burning it, and actually installing it
[03:25] <halfbloodprince> downloading will actually take like 3 days or something
[03:27] <xwolf-> !xgl
[03:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:29] <halfbloodprince> does anyone know how long it takes to install automatix?
[03:32] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: depends on your connection speed. However, I recommend easyubuntu.
[03:32] <halfbloodprince> btw, if i have a fat32 formatted drive, will it show automatically in my file manager
[03:33] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: is it listed in your /etc/fstab?
[03:36] <halfbloodprince> i haven't installed it yet.. if i have one ntfs drive (for windows), one fat 32, one swap and one ext3 (for linux), will the fat32 show up
[03:36] <halfbloodprince> or do i have to do somethign during installation to make it show up
[03:37] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: What haven't you installed yet? The fat32 drive?
[03:38] <_rince_> mrgn
[03:40] <Werdna> hi there
[03:40] <Werdna> what's the deal with Kubuntu/Ubuntu and IPv6?
[03:40] <shadowhywind> ok so installed the acpi stuff, restarted (took acpi=off) out of bootup, and it still foze, what is the command to see the verbose startup, see if i can't figure out why its freezeing
[03:40] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: I haven't installed linux yet, i want to know this before hand
[03:42] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: Yes, in the ubiquity installer, there is an option to mount FAT32 and NTFS drives. However, at this time, it is not possible for Ubuntu to write to NTFS without some rather unsafe software.
[03:43] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: I dont want it to write to NTFS, I am creating the FAT32 drive with the sole purpose of sharing the data between my windows and linux installations... how do i mount the fat32 drive during installation
[03:45] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: The installer will have a list of drop-down menus for you to use. I suggest you use the fat32 drive as your /home/ directory. That way, should your installation ever fail, you will have all of your files and application settings safe on another drive.
[03:46] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: (the /home/ is == My Documents)
[03:46] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Russel: would have been helpful if you'd pastebinned me the comments about ortp from #kopete :P
[03:47] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: just curious, can i use it as something other than /home/
[03:47] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:47] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: Yes, you can mount a partition to any location in the filesystem.
[03:48] <soulrider> i suggets o mount to /mnt/ or /media/
[03:48] <soulrider> its kind of standard :P
[03:48] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: also, why do you recommend easyubuntu over automatix? automatix seems to be installing a lot more applications...
[03:48] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to start kubuntu in verbose mode? or some text mode
[03:49] <Jucato> remove the "splash" from the line in menu.lst? not really sure about that, though...
[03:49] <shadowhywind> worth a shot
[03:49] <Jucato> In Splashy, pressing F2 switches to verbose mode, AFAIK. I don't know if it's the same in USplash.
[03:50] <halfbloodprince> soulrider: i should mount the fat32 drive to /mnt/ or /media/ ? what's the diff betn the two
[03:51] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: hm.. nothing? you can even mount it in /home/<username>/mount_point if you want to, iirc
[03:51] <Jucato> but it seems to me that Kubuntu defaults to mounting stuff in /media
[03:51] <soulrider> yea halfbloodprince, you can put it anywhere
[03:52] <soulrider> but most people will just put it on /media/
[03:52] <soulrider> well, it does make sense
[03:52] <soulrider> put media in /media/ :P
[03:52] <Jucato> frankly, I don't even know why some put it in /media, and others put it in /mnt
[03:52] <halfbloodprince> this may seem like a really n00b question, but if i mount it as /media/ what will it show up as in the file manager
[03:52] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: yep.
[03:52] <soulrider> sure it will
[03:52] <Jucato> yep it will :)
[03:53] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: And, don't mind about noob questions. We all asked them once. ^.^
[03:53] <thomas> hi there, can some1 give a nooby a hint? i am looking for a way to stream my audio output from my kubuntu notebook to another machine in the local net.
[03:53] <soulrider> halfbloodprince: its cool to be newbie =) i installed kubuntu like a month ago
[03:53] <Kr4t05> Well, except for hybrid... He came out of the womb with infinite knowledge.
[03:53] <beemonk> anyone free to help? :)
[03:53] <Kr4t05> thomas: gnump3d?
[03:54] <Kr4t05> !question
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about question - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <soulrider> lol Kr4t05sure beemonk
[03:54] <Kr4t05> ><
[03:54] <jake1> !restricted formats
[03:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:55] <soulrider> lol i dont know what i typed
[03:55] <Kr4t05> thomas: gnump3d is an MP3/Ogg streaming server that will allow you to stream both single tracks, and a randomized list to other computers.
[03:55] <soulrider> beemonk: what do you need?
[03:55] <beemonk> soulrider: thanks....right, well i've just switched from xp to kubuntu...I've got an Audigy 2 soundcard and a 5.1 surround sound USB headset (medusa), I've managed to get mp3's working on both devices....Now I'm using vmware, trying to get sound to work through my audigy card...
[03:55] <halfbloodprince> :) thanks guys.. i want to know, if i open the file manager (konqueror, krusader, etc), what will the fat32 drive be represented (as in hda1, hda2, what exactly?)
[03:55] <beemonk> I've found some tutorials on setting up your .asoundrc...but, i'm such a noob...
[03:55] <soulrider> beemonk: i never ahd a sound card lol
[03:55] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: depends on where you mounted it and what name you gave to the mount point
[03:56] <soulrider> so im not the most appropiate person to help you
[03:56] <beemonk> soulrider: your good then arent you :P
[03:56] <beemonk> lol
[03:56] <beemonk> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 192 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
[03:56] <beemonk> ALSA snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory
[03:56] <beemonk> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory
[03:56] <beemonk> =/
[03:56] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: what Jucato said. Oddly enough, I was typing the EXACT same thing.
[03:56] <Jucato> heh...
[03:56] <soulrider> uhm, i got no idea lol
[03:56] <beemonk> oh well
[03:56] <soulrider> i suggets you go to www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:56] <soulrider> and searcht here
[03:56] <soulrider> theres a LOT of help
[03:57] <dch3mn> I have problem with smn
[03:57] <soulrider> where is it that you cant get sound on ?
[03:57] <soulrider> kubuntu or vmware ?
[03:57] <beemonk> I have sound running fine on Kubuntu with my usb headset and audigy 2/4.1 speakers, but looks like you need to configure your .asoundrc to use dmix or....something so I can use sound in VMware
[03:57] <Kr4t05> I think that Firefox and Konqueror should be packaged with bookmarks for Ubuntu Forums, the Wiki, and the Help Pages
[03:57] <soulrider> lol, i just realized that im on VMware now, i totally forgot! O.O
[03:58] <beemonk> Ah, the sound works perfect when i use my USB headset in vmware/xp
[03:58] <soulrider> ahh beemonk
[03:58] <soulrider> i got trouble in vmware too
[03:58] <beemonk> but I just want to try and get my audigy 2 to work inside vmware
[03:58] <beemonk> i found..........vmwaredsp
[03:58] <thomas> Kr4t05: looks good, i am not sure if it's what i'm looking for, as my main purpose is to send audio from amarok to another machine. i'll look around on their website though and maybe try
[03:58] <soulrider> u think that if something in kubuntu is using it vmware cant
[03:58] <beemonk> vmwaredsptools 1.3...
[03:58] <soulrider> have you insatlled the vmware tools ?
[03:58] <beemonk> nah its not a busy device issue
[03:58] <soulrider> ah, ok
[03:58] <Kr4t05> thomas: no, this won't send it via amarok... It runs as a separate utility.
[03:58] <beemonk> just i havent configured my confs right because im a linux noob :P
[03:58] <jake1> how do i force architecture
[03:59] <jake1> what is the format of the command
[03:59] <soulrider> uhm
[03:59] <soulrider> how about the vmware channel ?
[03:59] <halfbloodprince> can i mount the fat32 after the installation is finished?
[03:59] <jake1> dpkg -i --force architecture
[03:59] <beemonk> ah, didnt even think :P
[03:59] <soulrider> maybe they can help you better than we can
[03:59] <soulrider> ^^
[03:59] <beemonk> :) ty
[03:59] <soulrider> just go to #vmware
[03:59] <dch3mn> problem with messanger, some help?
[03:59] <beemonk> *stoopid :P
[03:59] <soulrider> lol, dont
[04:00] <thomas> Kr4t05: yupp. i was hoping there is some kind of amarok plugin or "engine" (as it says in the options) that could simply work like a streaming server?
[04:00] <Jucato> !ask
[04:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:01] <beemonk> ah but...soulrider... the problem i have in kubuntu is..
[04:02] <nagyv> hello! what is the best way to have a linux2windows webcam chat?
[04:02] <beemonk> aoss mpg123 my.mp3           returns the errors i pasted
[04:02] <Kr4t05> thomas: I'm not entire sure...
[04:02] <jake1> where can i find the package libstdc++5
[04:02] <Kr4t05> thomas: I don't think there is anything like that.
[04:02] <jake1> it's not installed on my system
[04:02] <Kr4t05> nagyv: amsn?
[04:02] <Kr4t05> nagyv: If your webcam is supported, that works fine.
[04:03] <dch3mn> in gaim internet messanger I put my username and password and this is doing ;starting authentication and then finish
[04:04] <soulrider> i dunno beemonk =/
[04:04] <dch3mn> it says nasi.matteo@hotmail.com has been disconnected, connection error from Notification server
[04:05] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: you didnt answer my question about easyubuntu vs automatix
[04:06] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: what was that?
[04:06] <thomas> Kr4t05: k, thx. i'll google on. just discovered that maybe vlc could maybe stream from a simple file, while the xine engine can output to a file (would be raw audio then, i hope)
[04:07] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: easyubuntu has certain sanity checks that keep it from breaking your system, as automatix is prone to.
[04:08] <jdiezlopez> Hola
[04:08] <dch3mn> hola
[04:08] <soulrider> hola
[04:08] <dch3mn> espanol?
[04:08] <soulrider> !es
[04:08] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:08] <soulrider> ese es el canal para los que hablan espaol ok, solo ingles en este canal
[04:09] <Ash-Fox> !es
[04:09] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:09] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: automatix is known to break your system?/
[04:10] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: in some cases, yes. but EasyUbuntu isn't flawless as well... sorry Kr4t05
[04:10] <Jucato> that's why I still prefer to teach newbies the "full" way, if and only if they're willing to
[04:11] <dch3mn> here how can I speak privately with only one users
[04:11] <nidal> hi all , can someone tell me why my synaptic is looking for proxy when I have selected to go through "direct internet connection " in network settings ?
[04:11] <Jucato> dch3mn: you need to register your nick first.
[04:11] <dch3mn> where I do it?
[04:11] <Jucato> dch3mn: you type /msg nickserv register <password> <e-mail>
[04:12] <Jucato> best do it in some othe window/tab
[04:12] <Russel> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23003
[04:12] <Russel> (a bit late :D)
[04:12] <dch3mn> I do it from the command line?
[04:13] <Jucato> dch3mn: no, not in the command line
[04:13] <dch3mn> where?
[04:13] <Jucato> in Konversation (or whatever IRC program you are using)
[04:13] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: So should I use automatix or not? And if not, what should I use? If I use automatix, how much time will it take to download and install (64kbps connection)
[04:13] <ubuntu> en qu idioma? What language?
[04:13] <Jucato> ubuntu: spanish?
[04:14] <ubuntu> si
[04:14] <Jucato> !es
[04:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:14] <ubuntu> ok ubotu
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Russel: yeah, i got it repasted :)
[04:15] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: the choice is yours. The advantage of Automatix and EasyUbuntu is that they automate a lot of things for you. They're just scripts. they don't contain all the codecs/plugins/etc.
[04:15] <heinkel_111> my apt package database is locked, by error in some install script. Hod do I open it again?
[04:15] <Russel> Hobbsee: something can be done about this in edgy?
[04:15] <heinkel_111> my apt package database is locked, by error in some install script. How do I open it again?
[04:15] <dch3mn> sorry can I have more help to register please
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Russel: possibly.  i doubt it.
[04:16] <Jucato> heinkel_111: type "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in Konsole and it will continue where it stopped
[04:16] <Russel> :(
[04:16] <heinkel_111> thx Jucato!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !info oleo
[04:16] <ubotu> oleo: GNU spreadsheet program. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.99.16-8ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 389 kB, installed size 1360 kB
[04:16] <Hobbsee> good.
[04:17] <beemonk> Anyone got an Audigy 2 soundcarD?
[04:18] <halfbloodprince> thanks Jucato
[04:18] <dch3mn> How can I register here?
[04:18] <halfbloodprince> my kubuntu iso is downloaded 17mb :D
[04:19] <Jucato> dch3mn: type "/msg nickserv register <password_that_you_want> <e-mail_address>" in the place where you type messages in Konversation
[04:19] <heinkel_111> beemonk:  yes i have, but not on this machine
[04:19] <nagyv> Kr4t05: I have tried amsn, but the webcam can't connect given firewall settings. Do you have any expriences using wengophone?
[04:19] <[GuS] > Hi people!!
[04:19] <nidal> can someone tell me how to force synaptic(in kubuntu) to NOT use proxy ?
[04:20] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: if i forget my password, how do i retrieve it?
[04:20] <[GuS] > some knows a HOWTO for installing XGL/Compiz in Kubuntu?
[04:20] <[GuS] > and for KDE of course..
[04:20] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: password in here?
[04:20] <halfbloodprince> freenode password*
[04:20] <soulrider> i think i saw one in ubuntuforums
[04:20] <[GuS] > yeah
[04:20] <[GuS] > but for Ubuntu
[04:20] <soulrider> isnt it to make things transparent ?
[04:20] <[GuS] > using gnome-wm
[04:20] <Jucato> [GuS] : you could try searching in www.ubunforums.org and www.kubuntuforums.net/forums
[04:20] <nagyv> How sip works in general? (how can I use it to connect to a windows machine? is there webcam support in it?)
[04:21] <[GuS] > yeah Jucato i've searched many places... but most refered to Ubuntu/Gnome
[04:21] <soulrider> [GuS] : what you want is to make iwndows transparent right ?
[04:21] <Jucato> even in kubuntuforums.net?
[04:21] <[GuS] > no soulrider ...
[04:21] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: yes, password in here
[04:21] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: that I don't know...
[04:23] <habeeb> Greetings, how can I lock program versions in KDE? I think it doesnt have synaptic, and I dont remmeber how to do it from that preferences config file..
[04:23] <cathal_> Is their any nice easy to use GUI programs like "dvdsanta" to convert avi's to dvd's on linux?
[04:24] <soulrider> cathal: i think you can use k9copy
[04:25] <beemonk> heinkel_111: :/ given up anyway
[04:25] <cathal> kul ill check it out
[04:25] <henrym> Hey, does anyone know of a way to sort of do a reverse lookup of the apt-get database (cache?) to figure out what package a particular file comes from?
[04:27] <cathal> soulrider, that seems to only copy DVD's from what i read
[04:29] <Hobbsee> henrym: dpkg -L filename
[04:30] <shadowhywind> question - when i turn acpi on, my computer freezes on configureing network devices. Anyone have any ideas?
[04:30] <_Shade_> hi there
[04:31] <Jucato> henrym: you could also type in "apt:/" in Konqueror, and use the file search there.
[04:31] <_Shade_> have anyone here tried knot-2 ?
[04:31] <shadowhywind> i have
[04:32] <shadowhywind> but couldn't get my ethernet working so wen back to dapper
[04:32] <_Shade_> shadowhywind: i'm going to give it a go, but i'm not sure if it's safe
[04:32] <whizz-> installing grub to a hd simply is grub-install /dev/hd# , right?
[04:33] <Jucato> _Shade_: only install it on a separate partition or another machine. not for everyday, regular, normal usage
[04:33] <beemonk> sigh
[04:33] <shadowhywind> well my thinking is, what do i have to lose, execpt for 15 mins of install
[04:33] <henrym> Hobbsee: that didn't seem to work, but I found dpkg -S filename does, thanks
[04:33] <henrym> Jucato: cheers, that's really cool
[04:33] <Jucato> :)
[04:33] <nagyv> How sip works in general? (how can I use it to connect to a windows machine? is there webcam support in it?)
[04:33] <_Shade_> jucato ok thanks, i will... i'm just downloading the iso image
[04:34] <Blissex> nagyv: SIP is a terribly complicated horror... And it is strictly VoIP.
[04:35] <_Shade_> Jucato: do i have to do dist upgrade to update to the latest snapshot/release or simply have to do apt-get update ?
[04:35] <Blissex> nagyv: however SIP is a sessions establishment (dialing) protocol, and then the actual session is done over some other protocol like RTSP.
[04:35] <Jucato> _Shade_: dist-upgrade your main system?
[04:35] <_Shade_> Jucato: no i meant edgy
[04:35] <nagyv> Blissex: and what is your advise to have a webcam chat with a windows machine? (amsn's webcam doesn't work because of firewall settings)
[04:36] <Jucato> _Shade_: once you have installed Knot 2? Adept Updater would do it for you. (or if you want apt-get update)
[04:37] <_Shade_> Jucato: you mean that when - lets say - knot 3 will be released, the only thing i have to do is to update my current release ?
[04:37] <Blissex> nagyv: that is a hard problem indeed. Skype with video might be a regrettable option. Not sure Skype with video is already released for Linux.
[04:38] <nagyv> Blissex: as I know it's not :(
[04:38] <Jucato> _Shade_: yep
[04:39] <_Shade_> Jucato: kewl....  34% still to go though :) i've got a slow connection
[04:39] <Blissex> nagyv: then you got to tweak the firewall, which is quite annoying. E.g. for H.323 as in Microsoft
[04:39] <_Shade_> Jucato: where are you from by the way ?
[04:40] <Jucato> Philippines...
[04:40] <_Shade_> Jucato: quite far :)
[04:40] <Jucato> :D
[04:42] <_Shade_> Jucato: there's a nice proposal in kubuntu edgy theme to exchange the default logout screen. It looks awesome
[04:42] <_Shade_> i wonder if they would include it in the final release since it's only a mockup yet
[04:43] <whizz-> exit
[04:43] <Jucato> _Shade_: which one?
[04:44] <vge> hmm, what will be most important updates to KDE4?
[04:44] <_Shade_> Jucato: wait a sec... i'll find ir
[04:44] <Jucato> thanks :)
[04:45] <_Shade_> i never liked that default kde logout stuff :)
[04:47] <tsdgeos> vge: the 4 itslef!
[04:48] <tsdgeos> and of course the kmahjongg with svg
[04:48] <tsdgeos> that's the most important improvement :D
[04:48] <tsdgeos> j/k
[04:48] <solemnwarning> Hey
[04:48] <solemnwarning> Is there a site containing a list of packages in kubuntu repos?
[04:48] <Hawkwind> packages.kubuntu.org ?
[04:48] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <solemnwarning> er
[04:49] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, there is one for Kubuntu too
[04:49] <solemnwarning> Kubuntu uses the ubuntu repos?
[04:49] <Jucato> solemnwarning: yes
[04:49] <Jucato> Hawkwind: really? never realized that heh
[04:49] <Jucato> Hawkwind: oh no..
[04:49] <halfbloodprince> I was wondering, is KDE slow in general? I read somewhere that it's really sluggish
[04:50] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I saw one somewhere I *think*
[04:50] <soulrider> halfbloodprince: KDE works like charm for me
[04:50] <halfbloodprince> 'one of the slowest desktop environments out there', apparently/
[04:50] <soulrider> in fact, im running edgy on vmware
[04:50] <Hawkwind> Hawkwind: Depends on the system probably
[04:50] <ccc> halfbloodprince: no way
[04:50] <soulrider> and it doesnt even feel like it son vmware
[04:50] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you're talking about kubuntu.org/packages ?
[04:50] <soulrider> feels like if it were installed
[04:50] <_Shade_> Jucato: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[04:50] <Jucato> _Shade_: thanks for the link. I'll look into it
[04:51] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: not really. a lot of factors can affect the speed of KDE or GNOME. but by far, Xfce is really the fastest, no contest about that
[04:51] <whizz-> is there a file that lists errors during boot ?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah maybe so.  I never actually looked at the URL, just saw someone post it once
[04:52] <Jucato> whizz-: dmesg is a command that displasy those
[04:52] <unclemike> ? anyone have any idea why my system will not boot from the kubuntu or winxp..on my pc..but it boots from the linux live cd's...but then reinstall the kubuntu...and nothing...wont even boot from xp cd
[04:52] <_Shade_> it's really great in my opinion... although i don't like the purple look, i like the idea -- it looks nice
[04:53] <Jucato> _Shade_: they're actually planning for a different one
[04:53] <soulrider> _Shade_: the purple actually looks really nice
[04:54] <soulrider> BRB, gonna try KDE 4 :P
[04:54] <Jucato> _Shade_: whatever artwork they choose, it will still be purple :)
[04:54] <Jucato> hm.. wonder why soulrider had to logout...
[04:54] <CVirus> purple sucks
[04:54] <CVirus> lime on black rocks
[04:54] <CVirus> :-p
[04:55] <Jucato> personal prefernce :)
[04:55] <mauro_> damn
[04:55] <mauro_> i downloaded iover 200 mb
[04:55] <mauro_> and it didnt install =/
[04:55] <_Shade_> Jucato: it might be purple, I'm glad they will rework the current theme though :)
[04:56] <mauro_> _Shade_: yea
[04:56] <Jucato> _Shade_: what do you mean "rework" the current theme?
[04:56] <whizz-> my linux used to sit on hdb but is now on hda (easily by replugging the drive to ide-1 and hdb is no longer connected), during boot i got an error about filesystem check not being able to find hdb..
[04:56] <_Shade_> polish it a bit, maybe few bits :)
[04:57] <Jucato> whizz-: you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect the change
[04:57] <_Shade_> i think it definetely needs to be polished
[04:57] <Jucato> _Shade_: well... :)
[04:58] <whizz-> Jucato: are there besides that (and fstab, since /home is on a hdb2) any other things to change?
[04:58] <Jucato> whizz-: well, yes fstab, too. other than those, I'm not aware of anything else
[04:58] <_Shade_> there's also a nice icon set out there... i wonder if they're going to use it in the final release or these are 'by accident' :)
[04:58] <whizz-> Jucato: ok, thx
[05:01] <Hobbsee> _Shade_:
[05:01] <Jucato> great! it's raining kats and beagles...
[05:01] <Hobbsee> _Shade_: which iconset, sorry?
[05:02] <heinkel_111> ^_^ eyecandy time again, Jucato?
[05:02] <_Shade_> Hobbsee: the one you can find at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[05:02] <Jucato> heh
[05:02] <Jucato> hm.. new icons??
[05:03] <Hobbsee> _Shade_: oh the Nuvola ones?
[05:03] <_Shade_> yeah
[05:03] <Jucato> heh...
[05:03] <Jucato> whoever took the screenshots wasn't using the default Kubuntu icons :)
[05:04] <abattoir> !amarok
[05:04] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:04] <abattoir> Hobbsee, Jucato: could that be changed please?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> abattoir: you can change it :P
[05:04] <_Shade_> Jucato: default kubuntu icons = default kde icons i think :)
[05:04] <abattoir> Hobbsee: doesnt work :(
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !no amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:05] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[05:05] <Hobbsee> abattoir: %whois abattoir
[05:05] <Jucato> yes. KDE (and Kubuntu) use Crystal SVG by default
[05:05] <Hobbsee> _Shade_: we all use crystal icons
[05:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol! I think I know who made those screenshots... and those aren't Nuvola... (I think)
[05:05] <halfbloodprince> amarok 1.4.3 is out now
[05:06] <Hobbsee> halfbloodprince: yep
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they say they are.  *shrugs*
[05:06] <Jucato> ah arbiter's screenshots..
[05:06] <Hobbsee> well, arbiters ones are
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which are you looking at?
[05:07] <_Shade_> well generally i like crystal svg but some of them are not my favorites :) esspecially when it comes to show some device icons
[05:07] <Jucato> kwwii's and MHB's (?)
[05:07] <Jucato> _Shade_: unfortunately, Crystal SVG happens to be the most complete icon set, afaik...
[05:08] <Jucato> even Crystal Clear and GT aren't that complete... I think...
[05:09] <Jucato> but I wouldn't go for Nuvola right now... since MEPIS is already using that one by default
[05:09] <_Shade_> Jucato: have you seen the logout screen idea ?\
[05:10] <Jucato> _Shade_: the plain black one with the metalic Kubuntu logo and name?
[05:10] <_Shade_> Jucato: thst's just what i meant
[05:11] <Jucato> yeah it's nice, but I think they're working on something even better.
[05:12] <_Shade_> that's cool... nice to hear that there will be 'something even better' soon :)
[05:13] <lordkamau> Hie all!
[05:14] <lordkamau> i've been trying to configure my ubuntu 6.06 to work in dual mode to no avail...
[05:14] <_Shade_> once upon a time before dapper has been released i was using suse linux, and there was a possibility to restart your machine going instantly to another os (by clicking and holding the restart button). I'd like to give a feedback on it,,, but where can i do it actually ? ;)
[05:15] <lordkamau> i modified the xorg.conf file inserting listings of the second monitor but it still wont work in dual head mode
[05:16] <lordkamau> are ATI drivers a must for dual monitors?
[05:16] <heinkel_111> lordkamau: maybe i can help you, i just got mine working 2 days ago
[05:16] <heinkel_111> are you using ATI card?
[05:16] <_Shade_> Jucato: i think that there would be great if they'd include a boot loader setup tool as well - it would be usefull
[05:17] <Jucato> _Shade_: heh one at a time :)
[05:17] <heinkel_111> lordkamau: I have nvidia, i will not try to advice you too much if you use Ati
[05:17] <lordkamau> i dont have ati drivers installed though..
[05:17] <heinkel_111> lordkamau: the solution i used was nvidia specific called twinview
[05:17] <heinkel_111> but it stilled required the proprietary driver, i think it does for ati as well
[05:18] <heinkel_111> i think it is called fglrx
[05:18] <p0mppu> What's the file in (k)ubuntu where I can change my LC_CTYPE locale setting?
[05:18] <p0mppu> I couldn't find i18n file
[05:18] <lordkamau> i thought all i had to do was modify the xorg.conf file...
[05:18] <_Shade_> Jucato: well i think it could be usfull for those who still use windows (are there any) or stuff next to theirs kubuntu
...i guess i was wrong huh
[05:19] <Jucato> _Shade_: I'm not saying it's not  useful. I'm just saying "one at a time". give them time to work on that (or make one, in this case..) :)
[05:20] <heinkel_111> lordkamau:  there is a guide i read, but i did not find all the answers there
[05:20] <lordkamau> do you have a link to it?
[05:21] <heinkel_111> yes, looking for it right now :)
[05:21] <lordkamau> cool...thanks
[05:21] <Jucato> how to install ATI?
[05:21] <_Shade_> well maybe you're right... it's a great distro at all so.....
[05:21] <Jucato> !ati
[05:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:21] <heinkel_111> lordkamau: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[05:22] <heinkel_111> Jucato: we are dealing with MergedFB
[05:22] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[05:22] <heinkel_111> dual head set up
[05:22] <lordkamau> thank <heinkel_111> i'll look into it now
[05:22] <stealg> hi its possible use a palm with linux os ?
[05:22] <_Shade_> Jucato: but do i have to be some group member to post an ideas for the further release ? I'm asking because i couldn't recently
[05:22] <heinkel_111> warning lordkamau: i had to do some more googling to get the twinview setup correct
[05:22] <Jucato> _Shade_: that I'm not sure of.
[05:22] <heinkel_111> do not expect that how-to to be 100%
[05:24] <stealg> :(
[05:25] <Hawkwind> stealg: Very possible
[05:25] <_Shade_> ok gtg
[05:25] <_Shade_> c ya next time
[05:26] <heinkel_111> does someone know where downloaded Superkaramba themes are located by default?
[05:26] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: How and where did you download them from ?
[05:26] <heinkel_111> using the "get new stuff" button
[05:26] <abattoir> heinkel_111: got it from Hot new stuff?
[05:26] <abattoir> heinkel_111: ok.. look in ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba
[05:27] <heinkel_111> merci!
[05:27] <abattoir> i'm not french, btw :P
[05:27] <osiris> mornin planet~!
[05:27] <tyler_d> fps = <200 , ati radeon 9600, dual monitor support enabled???
[05:27] <nagyv> I would like to use my webcam with kopete (http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support), but under the settings it seems recognized but doesn't shows a preview. I get a preview with wengophone, so my system can handle the camera.
[05:28] <oslo> bonjour
[05:28] <Snake[Sleep] > !wiki
[05:28] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[05:29] <oslo> comment faire pour que mon pc fasse reveil matin ???
[05:29] <abattoir> !fr
[05:29] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:29] <oslo> sorry
[05:29] <oslo> thks
[05:29] <abattoir> nagyv: have you tried using it in MSN/Yahoo ?
[05:30] <abattoir> nagyv: also, people at #kopete might be of more help :)
[05:37] <p0mppu> One more about Amarok: this transKode script won't work unless I set my LC_CTYPE to "fi_FI@euro" since some filenames contain scandinavic letters. The problem after that is, I can't type those letters anymore in Konsole (but if I launch irssi from Konsole, it lets me type them?)
[05:37] <p0mppu> so how could I make Konsole type those letters and have that LC_CTYPE, or is there some other way?
[05:40] <p0mppu> trying again ->
[05:43] <halfbloodprince> can anyone tell me if it's possible to use google talk on kubuntu? either the standalone client, or the in-built email thingy
[05:43] <w1w1t0m1> hello, I have started kubuntu and windowmanager can't start ..(i have kde and fluxbox) ..after login and passw entering it displays blask screen for a whilr and then again ask for password ...any ideas????pls
[05:44] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: you can use Kopete with GoogleTalk
[05:44] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: thanks
[05:44] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: err.. use GoogleTalk with/in Kopete...
[05:44] <halfbloodprince> yeah, got it :)
[05:46] <halfbloodprince> i remember using gaim some time ago.. and whenever i used to talk to my yahoo contacts using windows, they would always see my font size as huge
[05:47] <halfbloodprince> it was very irritating
[05:47] <halfbloodprince> a lot of people wouldn't talk to me coz of it :p
[05:47] <Jucato> :(
[05:47] <halfbloodprince> kopete is cool, right?
[05:48] <Jucato> it's ok :)
[05:48] <Pensacola> hmh, how come I always get low fps in games when I install new applications
[05:48] <Jucato> I like it better than GAIM in some ways :)
[05:48] <Pensacola> I used to get 80 in supertux now I'm down to 20
[05:49] <Pensacola> I've tried reinstalling the nvidia package but that didn't solve it
[05:49] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: You have your video card drivers installed correctly and running ?
[05:49] <Pensacola> I think so yes
[05:49] <Pensacola> but they always seem to get screwed when I install something new :s
[05:49] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: See if you get a 'Yes' to rendering with the following command:  glxinfo | grep render
[05:50] <Pensacola> I get a yes
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, strange
[05:50] <Pensacola> brb
[05:52] <maple_> how come if I open 2 instances of the same GTK app a third vacant tab for that app will appear in the taskbar with an hourglass saying "loading" for about 10 seconds?
[05:59] <nagyv> for those interested: I could make  a videocall from kubuntu to a windows XP using wengo beta on my side and the "stable" wengo on the XP
[06:04] <w1w1t0m1> ...i have it :))) not ebnough memory on root file system :)
[06:08] <ditte> hi
[06:08] <Jucato> hi
[06:09] <ditte> hi Jucato
[06:09] <ditte> erh, people
[06:09] <ditte> how do I unisntall kubuntu?
[06:09] <Jucato> ditte: just format the partition  or install something else (and format the partition while doing that)
[06:10] <ditte> well, maybe, before I do something as drastic as that...
[06:10] <ditte> ...you may help me with something.
[06:10] <Jucato> ?
[06:10] <ditte> KDE doesn't recognise my root password
[06:10] <ditte> as a consequence, it doesn't update, in fact doesn't even let me change the time
[06:11] <Jucato> ditte: you don't have a root password. since the root account is disabled by default
[06:11] <Pensacola> even my screensaver gets low fps :s
[06:11] <Jucato> when it asks for an administrator password, you enter the password of the user that was created during installation
[06:11] <Kiongku> :p
[06:11] <ditte> jucatu: that's the pronblem...during installation I unwittingly created the user named "root"
[06:11] <Jucato> ditte: err....
[06:12] <Kiongku> o0
[06:12] <ditte> and since it didn't let me log in, I had to use the text console to create another user, "ditte"
[06:12] <Jucato> ditte: and if you enter the password for that "root" user?
[06:12] <Kiongku> cant understand either..
[06:12] <ditte> jucato: it tells me it's wrong
[06:12] <ditte> the console accepts it, though
[06:12] <Jucato> ditte: hmm...
[06:12] <Kr4t05> ditte: just add the new user to the sudoers group. :P
[06:13] <ditte> I thought I can maybe increase my privileges to admin, dut I dont know how
[06:13] <ditte> kr4t05: how does one do that??
[06:13] <Jucato> heh... I think this is more than my head can handle right now :)
[06:14] <Pensacola> ut2k4 seems to run fine though
[06:14] <Pensacola> strange
[06:14] <halfbloodprince> brb people
[06:14] <Jucato> Kr4t05: the sudoers group is adm or admin?
[06:15] <Kr4t05> Jucato: One moment.
[06:15] <Jucato> ditte: in which "console" are you able to login or do root/adminstrator stuff?
[06:15] <BonBonTheJon> has anyone set up ubuntu on a RAID?
[06:16] <ditte> jucato: you know, the usual black stuff. The terminal
[06:16] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: if you're going to install Kubuntu on RAID, you might want to use the Alternate Install CD
[06:16] <Jucato> ditte: yes, but from where? From GRUB's "recovery mode" option?
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> juc: i have a server install cd
[06:17] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: ah...
[06:17] <ditte> jucato: from K --> system
[06:17] <Jucato> ditte: ah
[06:17] <chrismir> Hi, I'm in the middle of a kubuntu install and it freezes at 'configuring hardware' @ 92% for over 15 minutes now.
[06:17] <chrismir> Anyone can give me pointers?
[06:17] <Jucato> ditte: so "sudo" works in Konsole, but not when with graphical apps?
[06:18] <ditte> jucato: exactly
[06:18] <osiris> remove that piece of hardware... =)
[06:18] <chrismir> what piece of hardware :p
[06:18] <chrismir> it doesnt say anything
[06:18] <osiris> just kidding
[06:19] <Jucato> ditte: in which user are you logged in? "ditte" or "root"?
[06:19] <osiris> are you installing from the liveCD or the alternate disc ?
[06:19] <LouKall> what the hell do i use on a rar?
[06:19] <osiris> unrar
[06:19] <LouKall> doesnt work, i guess.
[06:19] <LouKall> says command not found.
[06:19] <Jucato> LouKall: install the packages named "rar" and "unrar" then you can use Ark on rar files
[06:19] <chrismir> Live cd which I got from the mailman :)
[06:19] <Kr4t05> LouKall: you need to install unrar from the universe..
[06:19] <osiris> so install it LoRez
[06:19] <LouKall> okay!
[06:19] <osiris> er
[06:19] <LouKall> thanks
[06:19] <Jucato> !unrar
[06:19] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[06:19] <ditte> jucato: I'm logged in as ditte, but I su'ed on the console
[06:20] <Jucato> ditte: when you sudo in Konsole, who's password do you enter? ditte's or root's?
[06:20] <Pensacola> stupid nvidia :s
[06:20] <osiris> chrismir, might try downloading the alternate, and install from it
[06:20] <ditte> jucato: so I'm "ditte" for KDE and "root" for the console
[06:20] <Jucato> ditte: ah that's the problem, I guess.
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> edgy comes with kde 4?
[06:20] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: no
[06:20] <Jucato> ditte: have you tried entering "root"
[06:20] <Jucato> err
[06:20] <ditte> jucato: but I cannot log in as root to KDE. It says root logins are not allowed
[06:21] <Jucato> ditte: have you tried entering "root"'s password in graphical apps...
[06:21] <chrismir> osiris: I rather know what is going on. I didn't order the cd's to eventually download something else
[06:21] <Jucato> ditte: yeah :)
[06:21] <ditte> Jucato: I have, it tells me I'm using the wrong password
[06:21] <MetaMorfoziS> and do we know when kde 4 is coming?
[06:21] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: nope....
[06:21] <ditte> I also tried the ditte password, and that
[06:21] <ditte> s wrong too
[06:21] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: stable will probably next year
[06:22] <Jucato> ditte: ah I guess it's because kdesu will ask for the current user's password, but since ditte isn't part of the sudoer's group, it fails
[06:22] <Kr4t05> kernel 3.0 will bring the destruction of earth!
[06:22] <Jucato> Hawkwind: would you happen to know what's the actual name of the sudoer's group?
[06:22] <chrismir> osiris: the live cd booted fine. I'm running konversation with it now. In the background, configurating hardware is waiting at 92%
[06:22] <Kr4t05> Jucato: it's admin
[06:22] <Jucato> Kr4t05: ok thanks :)
[06:23] <ditte> jucato: ok, we're getting there:) so, is there any way of adding "ditte" to the sudoers group from a command line?
[06:23] <MetaMorfoziS> argh
[06:23] <Jucato> ditte: yes. "sudo adduser ditte admin"
[06:23] <osiris> chrismir, i have no idea what hardware you are running, and would have NO idea what piece is freezing it
[06:23] <chrismir> But is there some way I can see?
[06:24] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: KDE 4's tech preview will come out sometime in October. but that's probably still Alpha
[06:24] <osiris> if it was an install from console, you might be able to go to the logging TTY to see what is going on
[06:24] <mauro_> Jucato: have you read the news on kubuntu.org? :P
[06:24] <osiris> dont know if the live version loggs to console
[06:24] <MetaMorfoziS> okay... ( i saw a very beta version is out for edgy...) on kubuntu.org
[06:24] <chrismir> hmm yeah... I'll look
[06:24] <Jucato> mauro_: that's not even KDE4 tech preview
[06:24] <MetaMorfoziS> mauro_: that is very beta...
[06:24] <soulrider> i know
[06:24] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't think that is tech prew
[06:24] <soulrider> sorry about that other name
[06:24] <Jucato> that's KDE 3.80.1, a development snapshot called Krash
[06:24] <soulrider> im using edgy on vmware at the moment :P
[06:25] <Jucato> and yes I've seen it, and have run it
[06:25] <ditte> jucato: you are currently my favourite guy:)
[06:25] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[06:25] <soulrider> ah
[06:25] <Jucato> ditte: heh, you have to thank Kr4t05 too
[06:25] <chrismir> osiris: nah, nothing on any console
[06:25] <Pensacola> jep, the 686 kernel was the problem :)
[06:25] <Jucato> ditte: btw, by default, the first user seems to be members of these groups: adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[06:25] <ditte> Kr4t05: you share with jucato the gotha of my favourite guys:)
[06:26] <ditte> jucato: should I add myself to all of them?
[06:26] <Jucato> ditte: yes, if you want to delete that "root" user..
[06:26] <ditte> awch, this will tak a while:)
[06:27] <solemnwarning-lt> How can I prevet kubuntu from underclocking my laptops CPU?
[06:27] <Jucato> ditte:  not really, you can use the Users & Groups in System Settings
[06:27] <solemnwarning-lt> It keeps underclocking it from 1.9GHz to 530MHz
[06:27] <chrismir> osiris: last entry in log file
[06:27] <chrismir> Missing modules 'ide-core (Linux IDE support), ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE detection)
[06:27] <osiris> solemnwarning-lt, i think that is a service you can disable in the services list
[06:28] <osiris> chrismir, its choking on the ide controler it appears
[06:28] <solemnwarning-lt> Service name>
[06:28] <solemnwarning-lt> *?
[06:28] <osiris> solemnwarning-lt, one moment
[06:29] <chrismir> osiris: I can see that. I wonder why it is choking. Because I have sata drives? can't imagin that
[06:29] <osiris> solemnwarning-lt, i think its powernowd
[06:30] <solemnwarning-lt> Ok
[06:30] <solemnwarning-lt> That worked :)
[06:30] <osiris> chrismir, if you have sata drives, disable the ide in the bios, and try again.  i had issues installing kubuntu to a sata drive once before
[06:30] <ditte> jucato: oops, I was doing all by hand in the meanwhile:)
[06:30] <Jucato> ditte: heh :)
[06:30] <solemnwarning-lt> How come powerdnow and other CPU scaling apps are deps for kubuntu-desktop?
[06:30] <solemnwarning-lt> I can't remove them
[06:30] <chrismir> osiris: hmm ok, I will try that
[06:30] <dhq> hey
[06:31] <dhq> kubuntu-desktop: Depends: x-window-system-core but it is not going to be installed
[06:31] <dhq> E: Broken packages
[06:31] <osiris> chrismir, that might disable the cdrom drives though
[06:31] <chrismir> osiris: thx
[06:31] <chrismir> hmm
[06:31] <Jucato> dhq: what are you trying to do?
[06:31] <chrismir> well... I will try anyway
[06:31] <chrismir> gtg now
[06:31] <ditte> wow, now I even have the right time of the day
[06:31] <ditte> how cool is that:)
[06:31] <Jucato> heh
[06:31] <dhq> Jucato: well reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:32] <dhq> Jucato: install kubuntu desktop
[06:32] <osiris> anyone here know of a deb for tovid ?
[06:32] <Hawkwind> osiris: Why not make one
[06:32] <osiris> THERE you are
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Hah, playing around in the Gimp
[06:33] <Jucato> dhq: hm... that's strange...
[06:33] <solemnwarning-lt> Can I remove powerdnow without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[06:33] <Jucato> heh so that's why he didn't reply to me...
[06:33] <Hawkwind> osiris: I'll look at it here in a couple of hours to see if I can build a deb for ya
[06:33] <dhq> Jucato:  Can't apt-get "x-window-system-core"
[06:33] <osiris> yer the man
[06:34] <Jucato> dhq: can you pastebin the full errors that you receive? (use pastebin)
[06:34] <ditte> great....now if only my sound card worked, I'd be a happy and complete linux user:)
[06:35] <dhq> Jucato: thatst the only error i get
[06:35] <LiveCDuser> Hey. Just a quick question. If sound works on the Dapper LiveCD, it should work when I upgrade from Breezy, right?
[06:35] <Jucato> ditte: did you add yourself to the audio group?
[06:35] <ditte> jucato: erh, I'm not sure
[06:35] <Jucato> dhq: is it showing you a version number after x-window-system-core ?
[06:36] <phreq> I'm having problems with keyborad layouts. I need to use either the US Intl layout or a Spanish layout, but neither seem to work in any KDE applications. These layouts both worked in GNOME, but in Konsole & Konversation I just get ??s or boxes.
[06:36] <ditte> jucato: ok, now I'm on it, and it still doesn't work
[06:36] <Jucato> hm...
[06:37] <Jucato> how are you testing that sound doesn't work?
[06:37] <dhq> Jucato: no
[06:37] <LiveCDuser> Er, anyone?
[06:37] <ditte> jucato: I have a big red cross on the image of the speaker:)
[06:37] <Jucato> ditte: try logging out and logging in again
[06:37] <solemnwarning-lt> How can I remove packages that kubunu-desktop is dependant on?
[06:37] <ditte> ok, brb
[06:37] <phreq> Does anyone have ay ideas? :/
[06:37] <Jucato> dhq: hmm....
[06:38] <osiris> phreq, you could try restarting X after changing the keyboard layout
[06:39] <phreq> I'll try, but I kind of need to switch them on the fly.
[06:41] <dhq> what do i do
[06:45] <Jucato> wb
[06:45] <Jucato> dhq: I'm not sure what's causing that error, but you can safely leave kubuntu-desktop uninstalled
[06:45] <main2> im trying to bind my 'superkey' (windows key) to the 'kde menu'
[06:45] <main2> should be possible right?
[06:46] <ditte> re
[06:46] <dhq> Jucato: i wnat to install kubuntu desltop
[06:46] <Jucato> ditte: got your sound working?
[06:46] <ditte> jucato: well, no
[06:46] <Jucato> dhq: ah...
[06:46] <ditte> jucato: the big red cross is gone (thank you), but I still can't hear anything
[06:46] <LouKall> what do i do if it gives me "end of archive" error message
[06:46] <phreq> Be back.
[06:47] <Jucato> ditte: how are you checking that there is no sound? (check the volume also)
[06:47] <Kiongku> Uptime: 3 hours and 9 minutes
[06:47] <Kiongku> hmm
[06:47] <ditte> jucato: how does one know whether the drivers work? Is there anything corresponding to the "system" of wondoze?
[06:47] <main2> it aint possible to bind a win-key to my kde-menu?
[06:47] <Kiongku> whats the command again for current playing song..
[06:47] <ditte> jucato: I set all volumes to the max and played a MIDI
[06:47] <dhq> how do i install x-window-system-core broken packages
[06:47] <Kiongku> main2: u can use the win-key
[06:47] <Jucato> ditte: err.. of all the things to play :)
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> main2,  i though  it was set up that way by default.
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> but i dont have a Win-Key on this box to test
[06:48] <ditte> jucato: quickest thing to get on the web:)
[06:48] <main2> Dr_Willis: no its not
[06:48] <Jucato> ditte: heh, Kubuntu doesn't have built in support for MIDI and MP3
[06:48] <LouKall> when unrar'ing an archive i get an error message saying "unexpected end of archive" does just mean that my file is shit?
[06:48] <main2> the win key has no use on kde normally
[06:48] <Jucato> ditte: no need to grab a CD
[06:48] <main2> but it looks like i can only bind it to two keys..
[06:48] <Jucato> LouKall: yes, I tink so
[06:48] <main2> damn unhandy
[06:49] <osiris> LouKall, watch the language, and yes, sounds like a corrupt file
[06:49] <Kiongku> lol
[06:49] <ditte> jucato: it's playing it with AmaroK. Shows the wave patterns 'n all
[06:49] <ditte> only I don't hear squat
[06:49] <LouKall> dammit.
[06:49] <Jucato> main2: you can use Win+Space to launch the K Menu. but basically the Win key is called a Modifier key, like Shift, control, and alt
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  yea thats it. :P a meta key.
[06:49] <Jucato> ditte: what are you trying to play in Amarok?
[06:50] <ditte> jucato: the MIDI
[06:50] <Kiongku> Jucato: yo.. know hwo to display current song playing in amarok on irc?
[06:50] <ditte> jucato: and it looks like it's playing it, too
[06:50] <Jucato> ditte: I told you, there's no built in support for MIDI....
[06:50] <Jucato> Kiongku: /media but use is sparingly, and not in this channel...
[06:50] <ditte> jucato: but it *acts* as if it's playing
[06:51] <ditte> it's clearly reading a stream
[06:51] <ditte> ok...here comes the dumb question
[06:51] <Jucato> ditte: *sigh* again, it won't play MIDI's....
[06:51] <ditte> how do I get a CD out?
[06:51] <Jucato> ditte: in your home folder, there's a folder named example-content
[06:51] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe k
[06:51] <main2>  umount /dev/drivename ..
[06:51] <osiris> eject /media/cdrom
[06:51] <Jucato> that's not a proper way to get a cd out main2
[06:51] <lackdiant> hi!! is it safer to use edgy repositories? where can I find them
[06:51] <main2> then press the drive-button...
[06:52] <main2> Jucato: im using it for years.. no problems with it :P
[06:52] <Jucato> lackdiant:  no, at least not for regular/normal day-to-day use
[06:52] <Jucato> main2: like I said, not a proper way. doesn't mean it doesn't work
[06:52] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: Not unless you are a developer really
[06:52] <lackdiant> not the case :-)
[06:52] <ditte> jucato: ok, I'm trying to play a .ogg from there
[06:52] <main2> Jucato: im quite sure some distro's / other *nixes dont even have 'eject'
[06:52] <Jucato> ditte: try playing one of the sample audio files in the example-content folder in your Home folder
[06:53] <lackdiant> will kubuntu 6.10 use blubuntu?
[06:53] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: Then stick with Dapper which is stable and meant for desktop use.
[06:53] <Jucato> lackdiant: no
[06:53] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: No
[06:53] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: KDE in Edgy is Purple now
[06:53] <Kiongku> Hmm.. how are we supposed to remove a cd then?..
[06:53] <Jucato> that's why it's called Kubuntu... the K is KDE
[06:53] <lackdiant> I'd seen blubuntu and I like it! but purple.....
[06:53] <ditte> erh, tells me I don't have access
[06:53] <Jucato> Kiongku: just press the eject botton
[06:53] <Kiongku> Jucato: lol.
[06:53] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> Pornuntu! :p
[06:53] <Jucato> ditte: what tells you don't have access?
[06:53] <Hawkwind> lackdiant: You can see screenshots there
[06:53] <Kiongku> Dr_Willis: bah..
[06:53] <ditte> wait a minute...is there a group one has to be to access CD roms?
[06:54] <ditte> jucato: the CD
[06:54] <tfan> Hello :) How can I change the size of my desktop icons?
[06:54] <lackdiant> can anyone change that wallpaper?
[06:54] <Jucato> ditte: can we resolve one issue at a time?
[06:54] <lackdiant> hehehehe
[06:54] <lackdiant> it's terrible!
[06:54] <Jucato> lackdiant: you can, after it's installed
[06:54] <lackdiant> yeah, i know
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> Heh - that "Ubuntu hacks" book details how to customize the live cd.
[06:54] <ditte> jucato: okok, I'll use the .ogg
[06:55] <Jucato> ditte: :P
[06:56] <ditte> jucato: ok, same thing with "Ubuntu sax": it shows me the music animation, but *I don't hear anything
[06:56] <Jucato> ditte: ok well at least we know that it's either a driver or hardware problem.. now on to the CD...
[06:56] <ditte> jucato: if it didn't recognise the sound card, it would tell me, wouldn't it?
[06:56] <dhq_> help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23011
[06:56] <ditte> jucato: ok...pressing the eject button don't work, if you were asking me whether I had tried that:)
[06:57] <Jucato> ditte: do you see a CD icon on your desktop? right-click on it and select Eject
[06:57] <Jucato> but under normal circumstances, the eject button should work...
[06:57] <Kiongku> Jucato: i think should really unmount before ejecting
[06:57] <Jucato> Kiongku: no, because it automatically does that...
[06:58] <Jucato> it's automounted, like most removable media are
[06:58] <Kiongku> Jucato: hmm dang.. may be mine wrong..
[06:58] <ditte> jucto: done: it doesn
[06:58] <ditte> 't care
[06:59] <Jucato> ditte: what do you mean it doesn't care?
[06:59] <Jucato> ditte: oh, better close amarok if you used it play a file from the CD
[07:00] <ditte> jucato: oh, ok, if you first tell it to eject and *then* press the eject button, then it works:)
[07:00] <ditte> thanks again:)
[07:00] <ditte> C
[07:00] <ditte> CD
[07:00] <Jucato> :)
[07:02] <ditte> jucato: turns out I don't have the right to see the CD:)
[07:02] <Jucato>  O_O
[07:03] <ditte> I have to add myself to some group to do that, no doubt
[07:03] <Jucato> ditte: is the ditter user part of the cdrom group?
[07:04] <main2> ditte is a famous danish girlname isnt it?
[07:05] <main2> could anyone recommend me a good mail client, kubu comes with a kde one..?
[07:05] <ditte> main: yea, it's fairly common here
[07:05] <Kiongku> oh danish ._.
[07:06] <Kiongku> main2: no idea.. me i use thunderbird :p
[07:06] <Jucato> kubuntu comes with KMail
[07:06] <Jucato> you can launch Kmail in Kontact
[07:06] <RawSewage> I use KMail
[07:07] <ditte> re *sigh*
[07:07] <Kiongku> Jucato: u use kmail?
[07:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: yes. but in a very basic way...
[07:07] <MenZa> main2: I don't know if it's famous.. but it's definitely Danish.
[07:07] <RawSewage> Jucato, there is
[07:07] <Jucato> haven't had time to play around with it...
[07:07] <Kiongku> Jucato: .. thunderbird works with gmail very well..
[07:07] <Jucato> RawSewage: really? even ones that have been read already?
[07:07] <RawSewage> Jucato, yes
[07:07] <main2> ditte: a girl i worked with here in amsterdam had the same name
[07:07] <Jucato> RawSewage: do share please :)
[07:08] <RawSewage> Jucato, you just have to retrieve it a few times
[07:08] <main2> but it was the first time that i heard that name, so i was more or less guessing..
[07:08] <RawSewage> Jucato, I downloaded a few years worth
[07:08] <main2> (she was danish as well yes)
[07:08] <Kiongku> RawSewage: wow..
[07:08] <RawSewage> what
[07:08] <ditte> main2: there's a lot of us:)
[07:08] <Jucato> RawSewage: retrieve it a vew times? how? please do tell... please? :)
[07:09] <RawSewage> Jucato, you know about Google setting to retrieve it all, right?
[07:09] <main2> ditte: there's a lot of nice girls in denmark yes
[07:09] <main2> :o
[07:09] <RawSewage> Let me go to GMail and look
[07:09] <ditte> jucato: all right, now I have a nice animation of Bach's violin sonata, and still can't hear squat
[07:09] <RawSewage> Bach is good
[07:09] <Jucato> ditte: from the CD?
[07:09] <main2> ditte: i think most scandics are 'cool' anyway ;)
[07:09] <ditte> jucato: yup
[07:09] <notech> open a mixer and check volumes?
[07:11] <RawSewage> Jucato, in GMail, you go to Forwarding and POP of Settings
[07:11] <Jucato> ditte: probably really a driver issue...
[07:11] <RawSewage> Jucato, in POP Download, the setting for  Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)
[07:12] <Jucato> oooh
[07:15] <main2> awwww shit, i've installed quite some things on my kububox using
[07:15] <main2> sudo installername, instead of sudo -u myname installername
[07:15] <main2> ffs.. ive been playing too much with root accounts yes
[07:16] <Jucato> !automatix
[07:16] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[07:16] <dhq_> help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23011
[07:16] <main2> thanks Jucato
[07:17] <Kr4t05> Bah
[07:17] <Jucato> err.. sorry main2, that wasn't for you...
[07:17] <Jucato> :(
[07:17] <Kr4t05> No one is alive in #xgl. Can anyone help me here?
[07:17] <RawSewage> dhq_, maybe because youre using outside packages
[07:17] <RawSewage> dhq_, isnt what you need in the repos?
[07:17] <dhq_> no
[07:18] <dhq_> RawSewage: well i am using all the repos only
[07:18] <RawSewage> sudo dpkg -i /home/dhq/x-window-system-core_7.0.23_all.deb
[07:18] <Jucato> dhq_: could you please pastebin your sources.list as well?
[07:18] <RawSewage> youre using an outside .deb
[07:18] <Kr4t05> cgwd isn't working, for some reason. I think it might be the command I'm using to start it.
[07:19] <dhq_> RawSewage: i was getting broken packages then i downloaded the deb file
[07:19] <RawSewage> oh
[07:22] <dhq_> RawSewage: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23012
[07:22] <Jucato> RawSewage: thanks a lot! I can't believe I missed that option...
[07:22] <RawSewage> Jucato, ok
[07:23] <RawSewage> dhq_, I dont know.  Jucato wanted to see that
[07:24] <dhq_> Jucato: : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23012
[07:24] <madmonk> hi all!!!
[07:24] <Jucato> dhq_: reading it...
[07:24] <madmonk> I've got a big urgent problem!!!
[07:24] <dhq_> okies
[07:24] <madmonk> I'm on kubuntu dapper
[07:24] <madmonk> just bought an ipod nano
[07:25] <madmonk> trying to make it work...
[07:25] <madmonk> but I gave a wrong command
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> Did you keep the reciept? :P
[07:25] <madmonk> sudo mount -t vfat [cut] ..
[07:25] <madmonk> it's not vfat!!!
[07:26] <madmonk> it's hfsplus i guess..
[07:26] <madmonk> now I can't umount it!!!!
[07:26] <madmonk> also fuser -k /dev/sda2 doesn't work!!!
[07:26] <madmonk> please can anyone help me??
[07:27] <madmonk> HELP!!!
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> and umount says?
[07:28] <madmonk> device is occupied
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> check dmesg output also.
[07:28] <madmonk> busy
[07:28] <madmonk> ok
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> try lsof /dev/sda2
[07:29] <Dr_Willis>  That thing has 2 partitions on it?
[07:29] <Jucato> dhq_: I can't seem to understand  why it won't install. have you tried installing libgl1-mesa-dri (apt-get)?
[07:29] <madmonk> r u talkin about ipod?
[07:29] <madmonk> partitions?
[07:29] <dhq_> yes
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> if your ipod is showing up at --> /dev/sda2   that imples theres 2 partitions on it.
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> or else they are doing somthing VERy weird
[07:30] <Jucato> dhq_: what error message did you get?
[07:30] <madmonk> can i paste the output?
[07:30] <Jucato> madmonk: use pastebin
[07:30] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:30] <madmonk> ok
[07:31] <madmonk> what "name" am i supposed to send to??
[07:31] <dhq_> Jucato: broken pakages
[07:31] <Jucato> dhq_: pastebin again :)
[07:32] <madmonk> in the pastebin...what is "name"???
[07:32] <Jucato> madmonk: the "name" is any subject/title you would want to be used (so you can search for it later)
[07:32] <madmonk> a ko! :)
[07:32] <Jucato> madmonk: then when you send it, give the URL of the page
[07:32] <dhq_> Jucato: give me a sec
[07:32] <madmonk> done
[07:32] <Jucato> dhq_: sure
[07:33] <madmonk> how the hell can I umount it?!?!?!
[07:33] <Jucato> madmonk: show Dr_Willis the link/web page address
[07:33] <DHGE> madmonk: try umount -l
[07:33] <madmonk> ok
[07:33] <madmonk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23014
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> use lsof and see whats accessing it.. then kill those processes
[07:35] <madmonk> done!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:35] <madmonk> thank u very much!!
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> the kill them deader then dead! :P
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> Then kick them again!
[07:35] <madmonk> :)
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> then reboot 100 and 1 times.. :P
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait - thats for windows
[07:36] <unclemike> Hawkwind: im trying to do your Sos deb packages..where it say Enabling SoS deb package repos.../ect/apt/sources.list file as root/sudo... i keep getingPermission denied
[07:36] <Jucato> lol
[07:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ooh.. a customer :0
[07:36] <madmonk> my ipod is still sayng "don't disconnect" ...
[07:36] <dhq_> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23015
[07:37] <Hawkwind> unclemike: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <ubuntu_> ubntu fr hepl my
[07:37] <madmonk> guess i'm gonna reboot...hoping it won't freeze..
[07:37] <Hawkwind> unclemike: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor of choice
[07:37] <Hawkwind> Jucato: He's been a customer of mine for about 2 years now :P
[07:37] <Jucato> lol
[07:38] <ubuntu_> where is kubuntu fr
[07:38] <Jucato> !fr
[07:38] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:38] <|lostbyte|> !fr
[07:38] <Hawkwind> ubotu: #Kubuntu-FR
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kubuntu-FR - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <jaja> hello guys
[07:39] <Hawkwind> Bahhh
[07:39] <|lostbyte|> Hi jaja
[07:39] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: #Kubuntu-FR
[07:39] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, Hi.
[07:39] <ubuntu_> thank you
[07:39] <heinkel_111> !fr
[07:39] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:39] <Hawkwind> Hey there |lostbyte|
[07:39] <Jucato> dhq_: can you try disabling seveas' and PLF's repositories?
[07:39] <jaja> anyone in London here?
[07:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I gotta run an errand.  I'll be back in an hour or so
[07:39] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Hi :)
[07:39] <Jucato> Hawkwind: nooooh!
[07:39] <dhq_> |lostbyte|: hey
[07:40] <dhq_> Jucato: still the same
[07:40] <Jucato> dhq_: err.. did you "sudo apt-get update" after you disabled them?
[07:40] <unclemike> Hawkwind: so the kdesu will open it as root
[07:41] <dhq_> yes
[07:41] <Jucato> unclemike: yes
[07:41] <unclemike> ok thanks
[07:41] <jaja> I think switching from windows has been a very good decision for me..
[07:41] <dhq_> Jucato: still the same
[07:41] <Jucato> dhq_: ok I'm really, really baffled... what error does installing libgl1-mesa give you? (just the one line)
[07:41] <|lostbyte|> jaja, You can say that agian..
[07:42] <dhq_>  libgl1-mesa-dri: Depends: libgl1-mesa (= 6.4.1-0ubuntu8) but it is not going to be installed
[07:42] <jaja> my system has been so stable and..
[07:42] <RawSewage> and virus free
[07:42] <Jucato> dhq_: no, libgl1-mesa, not libgl1-mesa-dri
[07:42] <magical_trevsky> can anyone recommend me a decent all-in-one printer/scanner dealie that'll work nicely in kubuntu?
[07:43] <jaja> Ithanks, and virus free
[07:43] <RawSewage> CUPS ?
[07:43] <RawSewage> oh
[07:43] <RawSewage> nm
[07:43] <tyler_d> still with the frame rate thing... removed the fglrx driver and it resolved it? any ideas why the driver is not working on my machine? I need it in order to get my tv hooked up??
[07:43] <jaja> the only thing I miss about windows are the games I uesd to play
[07:43] <Jucato> RawSewage: I still can't thank you enough... I feel so stpd for missing that option... :)
[07:43] <dhq_> Jucato:
[07:43] <dhq_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:43] <dhq_>   libgl1-mesa-dri: Depends: libgl1-mesa (= 6.4.1-0ubuntu8) but it is not going to be installed
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> magical_trevsky,  my old HP 1200C works.. but egads the ink cost is nasty
[07:44] <Jucato> dhq_: err.. I said, try installing libgl1-mesa (sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa)
[07:44] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, apt-get install -f
[07:44] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, and then try ?
[07:44] <Jucato> or try what |lostbyte| said... I'm running out of ideas..
[07:44] <Jucato>  @_@
[07:44] <dhq_> libgl1-mesa is already the newest version.
[07:45] <RawSewage> Jucato, youve helped me enough times
[07:45] <Jucato> heh
[07:45] <RawSewage> You might have to retrieve it a few times though
[07:45] <Jucato> dhq_: this is also driving me nuts... :(
[07:45] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, dont  you think dep issues are related to out of distro package installation ?
[07:45] <RawSewage> I dont think it gets it all at once
[07:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: well, it's donwloading around 300 e-mails now...
[07:46] <RawSewage> ok
[07:46] <dhq_> Jucato: |lostbyte| !easysource is there any other places i can get repos
[07:46] <Jucato> RawSewage: is it going to duplicate some e-mails?
[07:46] <dhq_> !easysource
[07:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:46] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Thats a good source.
[07:46] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont know
[07:47] <Jucato> |lostbyte|: I dunno... I checked his sources.list, they seem fine... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23012
[07:47] <Jucato> dhq_: did you try |lostbyte|'s suggestion? apt-get install -f ?
[07:47] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, i mean, installing a package from debain.. or something ? downloading a deb file for example..
[07:47] <dhq_> yes
[07:48] <Jucato> |lostbyte|: ah.. it could be...
[07:48] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Still the same error ?
[07:48] <Jucato> dhq_: and sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[07:49] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, If you can track back if  you installed a deb file. pls do remove it.
[07:50] <dhq_> okies but i dont quite remember installanin any
[07:50] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, I remmber you asking me..
[07:51] <dhq_> wat bout
[07:51] <Jucato> ok I think it's time for me to sleep..
[07:52] <Jucato> good night/day people! :)
[07:53] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, Goodnight :)
[07:53] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Remmber before you used to install by download deb files ?
[07:53] <dhq_> yes that was when i first installed drapper
[07:53] <dhq_> thats like in the first month
[07:55] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Whats the last thing you reconfigured ?
[07:55] <dhq_> well i installed xgl and then uninstalled it
[07:55] <link_36p> Can anyone help me repair my apt-get?
[07:56] <link_36p> its totally shot ;(
[07:56] <|lostbyte|> !ask
[07:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:57] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, ^^
[07:57] <link_36p> When i run synaptic no pakcage listing will appear
[07:57] <link_36p> And apt-get upgrade wont upgrade anything.
[07:57] <abattoir> link_36p: what error does apt-get give ?
[07:57] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, Comment your compiz and other repos your not using. and update and try again..
[07:57] <link_36p> http://pastebin.ca/165257
[07:58] <link_36p> It all happend when i tried to install edv version of looking glass, it says i need to reinstall that package but when i try to it gives me more erros.
[07:58] <link_36p> dev*
[07:59] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, apt-get install --reinstall lg3d-core
[07:59] <abattoir> link_36p: did you add any external repositories for it?
[07:59] <|lostbyte|> with sudo
[08:01] <link_36p> same error lostbyte
[08:01] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, your not on x at the moment ?
[08:01] <gert_> hy
 i downloaded debs
[08:01] <stocker7410> Hey
[08:01] <dhq_> i am on startx
[08:01] <gert_> who are you?
[08:01] <|lostbyte|> dhq_, kde ?
[08:02] <stocker7410> How do i install GIT from "http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/"
[08:03] <dhq_> you
[08:03] <dhq_> yup
[08:03] <link_36p> Know one knows how i can fix apt-get? :(
[08:03] <gert_> I've got no music from internet. help!!!!!!!!1
[08:03] <dhq_> |lostbyte|: brb
[08:03] <|lostbyte|> k
[08:03] <zenith37> how do I get adept to show ALL packages?
[08:04] <|lostbyte|> zenith37, it shows all my default
[08:04] <gert_> alt f2
[08:04] <zenith37> it does not...
[08:04] <zenith37> it shows only KDE and desktop apps
[08:05] <|lostbyte|> zenith37, THen i belive you dont have the repos.
[08:05] <link_36p> losetbyte - is there a way to force remove a package?
[08:05] <gert_> type adept
[08:05] <|lostbyte|> !repos > zenith37
[08:06] <gert_> zijn er nederlanders?
[08:06] <zenith37> thanks
[08:08] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, wont it remove it normally ?
[08:08] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, errors ?
[08:08] <r4gt> help my
[08:08] <r4gt> my fr
[08:08] <BonBonTheJon> how do I install a network card that is recognized by lspci, but the installer didn't install it
[08:08] <draik> Hello everyone
[08:09] <r4gt> my novice linux kubuntu
[08:09] <gert_> hoi
[08:09] <r4gt> help my
[08:10] <gert_> what's the problem
[08:10] <r4gt> my fr
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> :)
[08:10] <r4gt> !!
[08:10] <DaveyJ> i currently have KDE and gnome installed.. how do i do a full switch to kubuntu by default?
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> !fr
[08:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> hey people
[08:10] <pepe> >_<
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> r4gt, ^^
[08:10] <r4gt> ok thank you
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> halfbloodprince, hi..
[08:10] <halfbloodprince> hey |lostbyte|
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> gert_, lol, just wanted the channel. :)
[08:11] <link_36p> lostbyte -  it gives the exact same error with "sudo apt-get remove lg3d-core"
[08:11] <gert_> eh..........sorry
[08:11] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, could you paste bin the error ?
[08:12] <dhq> |lostbyte|: back
[08:12] <|lostbyte|> dhq, So, Is it fixed ?
[08:12] <zenith37> |lostbyte|: apt-get sees it, Adept does not
[08:12] <zenith37> for example, apache2
[08:13] <zenith37> also libraries and such
[08:13] <andi__> can somebody give me the apache2 in sudo commands ?
[08:13] <|lostbyte|> zenith37, click on update in adept. that is weird.
[08:13] <gert_> waardeloos is dit
[08:14] <zenith37> What update?
[08:14] <zenith37> there's no menu or button...
[08:14] <link_36p> lostbyte - http://pastebin.ca/165275
[08:15] <|lostbyte|> zenith37, "fetch update"
[08:15] <zenith37> |lostbyte|: nothing...
[08:15] <|lostbyte|> :O
[08:15] <zenith37> ...with that label
[08:15] <|lostbyte|> OMG is it adept, check :)
[08:16] <zenith37> there's a search at the top, categories at the left, packages in the middle, etc
[08:17] <DaveyJ> anyone?!
[08:17] <zenith37> ahh apparently there are two differnt adepts :O
[08:17] <zenith37> found it
[08:17] <zenith37> thanks
[08:17] <|lostbyte|> zenith37, settings > show toolbar
[08:17] <|lostbyte|> :)
[08:17] <link_36p> lostbyte - did u look at the error? :o
[08:17] <risingEND> Alright, nobody at Samba responds to me.. so can someone here help me set it up?
[08:18] <steveire> DaveyJ: look for aysiu on ubuntuforums. There's a post on his site about it.
[08:18] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, yes, and i am stund. just refering.. hold
[08:19] <DaveyJ> =] 
[08:19] <risingEND> Come on, just help me please. -_-
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: perhaps you'd know the answer to this one? Do you know a way to get kde/hal to mount external drives like flashdrives in sync mode instead of async so my library users aren't removing unsynced filesystems right after hitting "Safely Remove"?
[08:19] <|lostbyte|> link_36p, dpkg --configure -a
[08:20] <|lostbyte|> and try again..
[08:20] <risingEND> Anybody here use Samba?
[08:21] <risingEND> !samba
[08:21] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:22] <|lostbyte|> LeeJunFan, /etc/fstab add sync to the options..
[08:23] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: I thought they were in sync mode
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> |lostbyte|: yeah, I know, these are dynamic devices though, w/o entries in fstab and considering the variables of sd[x] [n]  I'd rather just have the default be that kde mount them all in sync.
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: ah, it appears mine is with 3.5.4, maybe 3.5.3 wasnt.
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> err 3.5.2 - whatever came with dapper.
[08:26] <DaveyJ> i'm an idiot
[08:26] <DaveyJ> i cant find this post anywhere
[08:26] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: okay, well nevermind. Maybe I just need to update the library. Thanks.
[08:27] <BonBonTheJon> what package contains drivers for network cards
[08:27] <|lostbyte|> AFK
[08:27] <llxcamxll_> make[1] : *** [debugi386/ref_gl/r_bloom.o]  Error 1
[08:27] <llxcamxll_> what does that shit mean??
[08:27] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> help me out
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> i'm not worthy
[08:28] <llxcamxll_> anyone
[08:29] <llxcamxll_> ok then
[08:30] <BonBonTheJon> llx: I googled and error 1 means a dependency is not met
[08:30] <llxcamxll_> hmm
[08:30] <llxcamxll_> k
[08:30] <BonBonTheJon> sorry i can't help more
[08:31] <llxcamxll_> thats cool
[08:31] <halfbloodprince> what's giving that error
[08:31] <llxcamxll_> using make command
[08:31] <halfbloodprince> for which application
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> some alien game
[08:32] <halfbloodprince> ah
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> ah what
[08:32] <llxcamxll_> tell me
[08:32] <halfbloodprince> ah = okay
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> did you get it off the game's site or something
[08:33] <llxcamxll_> yeah
[08:33] <halfbloodprince> maybe that site has a faq for this stuff
[08:33] <llxcamxll_> ok, cool
[08:34] <obf213> sometiems when i bootup i have know sound, do i have to reboot to get sound back, because that seems to be the only thing that has worked for me. but w/e linux you "should never have to reboot" or w/e.
[08:34] <halfbloodprince> btw, can anyone tell me if the helix player is any good
[08:35] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: it does what it says it does
[08:35] <enzo_> What's a good video capture app? I want to record some things I do with kubuntu and play them back for reference
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> lotusleaf: have you tried real player for linux?
[08:36] <halfbloodprince> is the sound quality better than that of amarok?
[08:36] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: it's closed source and generally I avoid using closed source ;)
[08:37] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: though helix is another matter
[08:37] <RawSewage> enzo_, ScreenKast ?
[08:38] <RawSewage> enzo_, nm, not in repos
[08:40] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I have screenkast on my SoS repo actually
[08:40] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[08:40] <RawSewage> enzo_, you can try it.  they have Dapper package;  http://instrudeo.bpower2.com/packages/ubuntu-dapper/
[08:40] <ironfroggy> im having trouble. screen updates are horribly slow in all programs. flash, video playing, even scrolling a web page gives a horrible flicker as i can watch the update blitting.
[08:41] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, you made a repo?
[08:41] <ironfroggy> what could i possible look at to improve that? its not that my hardware sucks, because ive had much better performance here before.
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Yes.  I have E17 in my repo which is why I started it
[08:41] <RawSewage> whats E17
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: SoS is the largest 3rd party rpm repo for Mandriva currently
[08:41] <RawSewage> cool
[08:41] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Enlightenment-DR17.....enlightenment.org or get-e.org for more info
[08:41] <RawSewage> enzo_, are you even listening
[08:41] <ironfroggy> is there any X configuration i could look into that could make these things more responsive?
[08:42] <enzo_> yes
[08:42] <enzo_> I'm at the site
[08:42] <RawSewage> Ive never tried it
[08:42] <Hawkwind> enzo_: screenkast is in my contrib repo
[08:42] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, have you tried it
[08:42] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Tis all I run is E17
[08:42] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I won't use any other wm :P
[08:42] <RawSewage> oh
[08:43] <RawSewage> Enlightenment
[08:43] <enzo_> Which do you recommend?
[08:43] <Hawkwind> No, quite different from enlightenment as you know enlightenment
[08:43] <Hawkwind> enzo_: Which what ?
[08:43] <pureDeviance> Hmm, what software do you recon I should add to my Kubuntu Installation?
[08:43] <enzo_> nevermind
[08:44] <enzo_> I was looking at something else and got confused
[08:44] <enzo_> sorry
[08:44] <Hawkwind> pureDeviance: Depends on what *you* want
[08:44] <Hawkwind> enzo_: Heh, no problem
[08:44] <pureDeviance> :|
[08:45] <pureDeviance> Is there a faster loading word prossesor?
[08:45] <RawSewage> I use KWrite
[08:45] <Hawkwind> pureDeviance: Faster than what ?
[08:45] <halfbloodprince> how is xmms
[08:45] <weas3l> hey Hawkwind... thanks for the help the other day... kubuntu is up and running
[08:45] <RawSewage> Im not sure what exactly KWrite is
[08:45] <RawSewage> halfbloodprince, it's like WinAmp
[08:46] <Hawkwind> weas3l: No problem.  Glad to have been of help
[08:46] <RawSewage> XMMS is good
[08:46] <lotusleaf> halfbloodprince: try it and see :)
[08:46] <halfbloodprince> RawSewage: how is the sound quality
[08:46] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: It's nice, but there are others that are good, like banshee
[08:46] <RawSewage> sounds fine to me
[08:46] <RawSewage> I use amarok too
[08:46] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: banshee sends what you play to last.fm as you can see here:  http://last.fm/user/Hawk-wind
[08:46] <lotusleaf> xmms is nice for low overhead
[08:46] <halfbloodprince> does amarok sound better or xmms
[08:46] <RawSewage> no idea
[08:47] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: It's always best to try several apps and see what *you* like best
[08:47] <RawSewage> it all sounds the same to me
[08:47] <halfbloodprince> :) thanks guys
[08:48] <enzo_> Hawkwind, I got the Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional
[08:48] <enzo_> book
[08:52] <BonBonTheJon> where can i find a driver for pcnet32 card
[08:55] <weas3l> where would i be able to find xmms packages for the player itself?
[08:56] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:56] <main2> !packages
[08:56] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[08:56] <main2> !repository
[08:56] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:56] <main2> ^^ for you weas3l
[08:56] <weas3l> you guys rock <3
[08:57] <pureDeviance> !help
[08:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[08:57] <weas3l> i'm trying to use the gui adept package manager, and searching for xmms returns all the plugins, but not the player :S
[08:57] <pureDeviance> !adept
[08:57] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:57] <pureDeviance> !kde
[08:57] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[08:57] <pureDeviance> !gnome
[08:57] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[08:57] <seth|away> please don't abuse the bot.
[08:58] <pureDeviance> :(
[08:58] <seth|away> if you want to see what it has to say, private message it
[08:58] <pureDeviance> ok
[09:00] <main2> yeah... well, we can ban him right away as well :)
[09:01] <seth|away>  list
[09:02] <weas3l> so... if i have superuser access to my system, i don't really need sudo, do i?
[09:02] <weas3l> i just need apt-get?
[09:03] <main2> !root
[09:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:03] <main2> working as root is dangerous, if you dont know what ur doing
[09:04] <weas3l> yeah, but if i have root already, i don't really need to worry about running programs w/ superuser privileges as a user
[09:04] <main2> weas3l: no but if you wanne install something for urself
[09:04] <main2> and you login as root or sudo for it..
[09:04] <weas3l> ah, without having to su... i gotcha.
[09:04] <main2> NO YOU DONT
[09:04] <halfbloodprince> see you later people
[09:05] <weas3l> yeah, thats what i'm saying.
[09:05] <weas3l> you don't su
[09:05] <main2> then the programs files will have the root permissions
[09:05] <main2> no, and you dont login as root either
[09:05] <voicu> Hi, is there a simple C/C++ IDE for KDE? I don't want to use KDevelop or Anjuta because they work at a different level. I want something light.
[09:05] <main2> you do: sudo -u myusername programnametoexecute
[09:05] <voicu> Something that edits, compiles and runs my programs.
[09:06] <weas3l> ah, so when you say sudo aptget install... i should be putting in sudo -u username apt-get install?
[09:06] <pureDeviance> Is there a PHP server I can install on my PC? Like an xamp for Linux?
[09:07] <voicu> weas3l: usually you shouldn't login or use the shells as the superuser. I always type sudo for each command
[09:07] <weas3l> ah
[09:07] <voicu> and main2 is right, when you do use the superuser to create files or something you won't be able to access them with your normal user
[09:09] <main2> ive installed a number of things (like games) using sudo
[09:09] <main2> but type: sudo whoami
[09:09] <main2> in a shell, and let your brains think.. -> see what i mean weas3l?
[09:09] <pepe> or click right on nick and whois
[09:10] <main2> pepe: ?
[09:10] <pepe> ?
[09:10] <voicu> pepe, he was refering to the shell
[09:10] <voicu> i.e. $sudo whoami
[09:10] <weas3l> i... see...
[09:10] <weas3l> ah
[09:10] <pepe> sry i'm not in topic >_<
[09:11] <main2> now i have to sudo gamename everytime i wanne play.. and its executed under the root account..
[09:11] <pepe> i'm gonna mute :x
[09:11] <weas3l> and so when it asks for a password?
[09:11] <main2> thats crap.., so believe me weas3l
[09:11] <main2> if you wanne install something for urself use: sudo -u username bin-name
[09:11] <weas3l> ah, so when you say sudo aptget install... i should be putting in sudo -u username apt-get install?
[09:12] <main2> for apt-get, just use 'sudo apt-get install'
[09:12] <voicu> noo
[09:12] <weas3l> werd
[09:12] <DaveyJ> what's the kde equiv to gnome's "sessions" where i can have things autostart
[09:12] <main2> for systemstuff use normal sudo...
[09:12] <weas3l> since... *reads the man file* i'm not going from one group to another?
[09:12] <main2> the systems stuff is not on your user-permissions.....................
[09:12] <voicu> weas3l, sudo -u username is when you compile programs from source or something like that
[09:12] <weas3l> k
[09:12] <main2> DaveyJ: in /home/username/.kde/Autostart :)
[09:13] <Chousuke> why would you use sudo when compiling? :/
[09:13] <main2> you shouldnt have to
[09:13] <lotusleaf> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:14] <lotusleaf> or ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[09:14] <voicu> i was thinking about something else...
[09:14] <weas3l> hey main2...
[09:14] <weas3l> v
[09:14] <Dannilion__> Anyone know a way of getting rid of the flash sound delays in Konqueror?
[09:14] <weas3l> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:14] <weas3l> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:14] <weas3l> E: Unable to lock
[09:15] <voicu> Soo, anyone knows a lightweight C/C++ IDE (for KDE if possible)?
[09:15] <main2> weas3l: 'Resource temporarily unavailable' looks like the server is down?
[09:16] <weas3l> or used by another program?
[09:16] <main2> weas3l: i dont know a lot about repositories
[09:16] <voicu> weas3l, you probably have an instance of adept, aptitude or whatever started
[09:16] <main2> but this might happen if you dont have the 'multiverse' repository in your sources.list ?
[09:16] <weas3l> yeah, i looked at my taskbar and just saw it
[09:16] <voicu> if not you must kill the nonresponsive process
[09:16] <main2> ahhh ok
[09:17] <main2> voicu: might be better to reask ur question in #linux and #ubuntu
[09:17] <weas3l> i forgot i was getting flash player installed...
[09:17] <voicu> ok, i'm going to do that
[09:17] <main2> because there might be more people reading it..
[09:18] <ahmeni> voicu: I don't think there's anything that's between kate and kdevelop in terms of complexity :(
[09:20] <voicu> ahmeni, well i need just something that edits (with highligthing), compiles and runs the programs
[09:20] <graham_> hi all
[09:20] <voicu> KDevelop has to many buttons :P
[09:22] <graham_> is there an irc channel for a complete noob like me
[09:22] <voicu> #kubuntu :D
[09:22] <weas3l> yeah, i started,,, like, yesterday
[09:22] <graham_> cool.. though i dont want to annoy people with really really noob questions :)
[09:23] <weas3l> kubuntu was really easy to install i found... and thses peoples here seem to know their stuff.
[09:23] <voicu> honestly, I didn't always get answers to my questions but I kept trying, it's worth it
[09:23] <weas3l> just need to know who to direct questions to.
[09:24] <graham_> it was easy to install.. im using it and ive used then adept and installed various software.. its really cool software
[09:24] <weas3l> indeed.
[09:24] <voicu> weas3l: yep, something like that
[09:24] <graham_> im trying to get the nvidia drivers on but having trouble
[09:24] <weas3l> i'm contimplating moving my *shudder* windows box over to my tv and using it just for movies and video...
[09:25] <voicu> I'm windows free for quite a long time now and except for some casual games I don't miss any functionality
[09:25] <The_Stephan__> hilfe
[09:25] <voicu> graham_, what part doesn't work?
[09:25] <weas3l> well, i got a good sized tv, so i still could game on it... i'm just getting back into linux after like, a year and a bit away from it ;S
[09:25] <The_Stephan__> ich hab web java paket also das programm installiert unter linux geht auch aber wie geht das nun im browser
[09:26] <NthDegree> !de
[09:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:26] <llxcamxll_> can we run half life under kubuntu??
[09:26] <green[fenix] > !mp3
[09:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:26] <graham_> well i need to do ctrl-alt-f1 and run it from there but i cannot logon with my username and password? it wont let me in that way
[09:26] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: go to #ubuntu-de
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> thx
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> sorry
[09:27] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: ich nicht spreche deutche :)
[09:27] <The_Stephan__> the was wrong channel
[09:27] <voicu> graham_: run what?
[09:28] <voicu> and it should let you logon in the console
[09:28] <llxcamxll_> this error 1 shit blows
[09:28] <NthDegree> The_Stephan__: if you can understand english try an ubuntu howto on installing java in firefox/konqueror :)
[09:29] <The_Stephan__> yes
[09:29] <graham_> the nvidia package.. it says do ctrl alt f1 and run the envy script but i have to log on first
[09:29] <weas3l> oh right, java... totally forgot that...
[09:30] <voicu> graham_, you can open up a console. hit ALT+F2 and type konsole
[09:30] <voicu> then use 'sudo envy'
[09:30] <weas3l> heh.
[09:30] <weas3l> psuedo envy...
[09:30] <graham_> thansk voicu. does the envy script need to be downloaded to anywhere specific to run it?
[09:31] <graham_> it says command not found
[09:32] <voicu> you should be working in the directory where you downloaded the package
[09:32] <voicu> was it an archive?
[09:34] <lotusleaf> should a floppy device normally have to be added manually into /etc/fstab? I thought I saw it there in Breezy but now in Dapper it's not listed at all
[09:34] <voicu> maybe it didn't recognize it but that would be even more weird
[09:35] <MiD> can anybody help me with this error message when trying to (re)install kwin? : ** (process:15499): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[09:35] <lotusleaf> voicu: was that to me? if so, I've noticed this on several systems
[09:36] <voicu> lotusleaf: yes, but it was just a thought. mine for example was listed with the installation
[09:37] <lotusleaf> voicu: thanks :) interesting, I guess I'll have to add it manually, thanks for relating your experience.
[09:37] <voicu> np
[09:39] <BonBonTheJon> where are network card drivers located
[09:40] <seth> network card support is built into the kernel
[09:40] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: over there. Second shelf left.
[09:40] <BonBonTheJon> seth: I have a card that is identified in lspci but the installer didnt install drivers for it
[09:41] <Blissex> seth: I find it hard to answer seriously a question that vague from a nick like <BonBonTheJon> :-)
[09:41] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: but I can try. it is extremely unlikely that you have an unsupported card.
[09:41] <Lynoure> BonBonTheJon: in there kernel module directory, see   lsmod  for what you have loaded now
[09:42] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: just about all know chipsets are supported by standard drivers. If your chipset is not, then things become pretty awkward.
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> ok,  I have an entry for pcnet32, which is the chipset
[09:42] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so what does 'lspci | grep Ethernet' say?
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> nothing
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> I'm using ubuntu server
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> which shouldn't matter
[09:43] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:44] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: if it says nothing then it is not there...
[09:44] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: anyhow there is some information on the PCNET32 style chipsets here: http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html
[09:45] <BonBonTheJon> going there now
[09:46] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: it is a driver for *very* old chipsets. So perhaps the driver in the kernel has been disabled. You can buy a new Ethernet card with a recent chipet for like $5.
[09:46] <BonBonTheJon> Yeah, I probably should just do that
[09:47] <BonBonTheJon> its served me well for so long
[09:47] <lotusleaf> voicu: floppy is listed in /dev/ but not in fstab :) odd, eh
[09:48] <banana21> hey anyone know a good graphical ftp server?
[09:48] <banana21> for kubuntu
[09:48] <BonBonTheJon> blis: when I put in the new card, will it automatically install the drivers, or what will i need to do
[09:49] <voicu> lotusleaf, the floppy is always listed in /dev. actually every kind of device is listed in /dev, just that the system will only use those that are configured
[09:49] <lotusleaf> voicu: yeah, when I try to use the floppy it works but it's just not listed in fstab, perhaps ubuntu is psychic
[09:50] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: if it is a recent card, it is fully automatic.
[09:51] <BonBonTheJon> good
[09:51] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: note that however if the AMD chipset card you have does not appear in 'lspci' it is a hw problem, unless it is an ISA card.
[09:51] <BonBonTheJon> blis: it shows up in lspci
[09:52] <Sanne> hi
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> and lsmod | grep pcnet32  returns 2 entries
[09:52] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste here the line.
[09:52] <Infecto> hello can some one tell me how to change a chanell wchih one is managed by sound buttons in laptops from master to pcm
[09:52] <weas3l> argh! stupid flash not jibing with firefox...
[09:52] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste here the line from 'lspci'
[09:52] <weas3l> ooo, kids in the hall. *distracted*
[09:52] <Infecto> I have to change the PCM slider
[09:52] <Infecto> i want to :)
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> its on another computer but it says:      pcnet32                     33540  0
[09:53] <Blissex> lotusleaf: there is a program that mounts stuff in the background
[09:53] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: thats the driver. Not the card.
[09:53] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' on the other computer...
[09:53] <BonBonTheJon> blis: nothing
[09:54] <lotusleaf> Blissex: the all knowing, all caring HAL seems quite active
[09:54] <Vegeta> Does anyone know how a Digital Signatur can be installed on linux?
[09:54] <Blissex> Vegeta: yes.
[09:54] <voicu> lotusleaf, you might be right. i'm going to stop thinking while in ubuntu :D
[09:54] <lotusleaf> hald, rather
[09:54] <lotusleaf> voicu: ;)
[09:55] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: paste to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ the full output of 'lspci' run on the PC that is supposed to have that card.
[09:55] <BonBonTheJon> i can't i don't have network connection
[09:56] <Vegeta> Blissex: How? My Firefox says that it doesn't know how to open the page...
[09:56] <Blissex> Vegeta: that's a different question! :-)
[09:57] <shadowr3d> hello everyone
[09:57] <Vegeta> Blissex: Hehe why? You said that you knew :P
[09:57] <Blissex> Vegeta: probably you want to import a digital certificate into a browner, not add a digital signature to Linux. And I said only that yes, someone knows. :-)
[09:57] <Blissex> Vegeta: so describe your goal a bit better.
[09:58] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: wait a sec.
[09:58] <seth> Infecto, right-click KMix icon -> select Master Channel -> PCM
[09:58] <shadowr3d> how can i the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[09:58] <shadowr3d> how can i change* sorry
[09:59] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what does this print: lspci | egrep -v 'USB|ISA|audio|VGA|IDE|Host|bridge|storage'
[09:59] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[09:59] <Vegeta> Well I have a html file which was a security copy of the digital signatur, that I first installed on windows xp. NOw I want it on Linux. On windows the installation would start when pressed at the html file.
[09:59] <Vegeta> Is this something you're familiar with Blissex?
[10:00] <Blissex> Vegeta: that is nearly incomprehensible. Describe your goal, not what you are trying to do.
[10:00] <Vegeta> Blissex: What do you mean? My goal is to install my old Digital Signatur.
[10:00] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: and also: are you sure your ethernet card is a PCI one?
[10:01] <Blissex> Vegeta: nom your goal is to do something with that Digital Signatur, whatever you mean by that. There are very many types of ''digital signatures''.
[10:02] <Blissex> Vegeta: literally taken, what you are asking is how to add an X.504 certificate to the IPCSEC subsystem in the kernel. I doubt your mean that.
[10:02] <nil_> hello, world ;-)
[10:02] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:02] <Vegeta> Blissex: Well there are many thing I can do with that. Like login into some places with my personal information, and smilar..
[10:03] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: I assume its pci if lspci sees it
[10:03] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:03] <Vegeta> Blissex: Nahh I don't mean such complicated stuff, I'm a linux newbie.
[10:04] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: then try to type by hand the line in 'lspci' where you say it is listed. Because if it is an Ethernet card that line should contain 'Ethernet'...
[10:05] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: you can stop some of those services in the services list inside of systemssettings
[10:05] <Blissex> Vegeta: and which program are you using to do that login?
[10:05] <nil_> I am new to Ubuntu and I need your help. I'd like to install java (jre). I tried to install it but the install stopped and my database got locked. I guess it was something to do with the licence agreement...I could not see where to agree...
[10:05] <BluDog_Anchorite> !java > nil_
[10:06] <nil_> oh, database is already unlocked...
[10:06] <Vegeta> On Win XP, i didn't need a specifik program to login.
[10:06] <Blissex> Vegeta: are you trying to import a certificate into Firefox to access some websites that require authentication from HTTP clients?
[10:06] <Blissex> Vegeta: to login to what? In what way?
[10:06] <nil_> what is the name of the package ?
[10:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> nil_: read the wiki
[10:07] <BluDog_Anchorite> it explains how to do it, and what to do about the lisence
[10:07] <Vegeta> https://isis.ku.dk/passport/login.aspx?returnurl=https%3a%2f%2fisis.ku.dk%2fkurser%2fppLoginReciever.aspx&sender=http%3a%2f%2fisis.ku.dk%2fkurser%2fadmin%2findex.aspx <-- Like here
[10:07] <Infecto> seth: i`m not so stupid i made this and dont work
[10:07] <shadowr3d> how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu?
[10:07] <Vegeta> Under: Login vha. digital signatur <-- You can login with Digital Signatur.
[10:07] <nil_> ok, thanks.
[10:08] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: did you miss my answer>?
[10:08] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: there in no entry for ethernet
[10:09] <shadowr3d> yes i did
[10:09] <shadowr3d> im sorry
[10:09] <Vegeta> Blissex: Do you see what I mean now?
[10:10] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: but lspci | grep "pcnet32" returns "pcnet32             33540 0" and "mii                   7040 1 pcnet32"
[10:10] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that is quite impossible because those are the lines that 'lsmod' returns.
[10:10] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: yeah, sorry
[10:11] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: the lines returned by 'lspci' look like:
[10:11] <Blissex> base# lspci | egrep -v 'USB|ISA|audio|VGA|IDE|Host|bridge|storage'
[10:11] <Blissex> 00:13.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[10:11] <Blissex> 02:0b.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link)
[10:11] <nil_> it seems the packages were still there...so no need to download them again...they're installed...Thanks, BlueDog...
[10:11] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' instead of 'lsmod | grep pcnet32'
[10:12] <shadowr3d> bludog??
[10:12] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: lspci returns "0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]  79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE]  (rev 25)
[10:12] <Blissex> Vegeta: I have no idea what "Login vha" means.
[10:12] <Vegeta> Means: Login with Digital Signatur.
[10:12] <Blissex> Vegeta: but in which program?
[10:12] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: so contrarily to what you said the card is there. And probably working.
[10:13] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what happens if you say 'ip link ls'?
[10:13] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: but ifconfig only has lo
[10:13] <shadowr3d> bludog how can i change the kubuntu booting when it says like "starting hp printing" and stuff like that when you boot up kubuntu and i dont mean the splash screen like it says kde is up and running
[10:13] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that only means that it is not configured, not missing.
[10:14] <Vegeta> Blissex: I don't know which program it uses. But it seems that I can acces it trhough the terminal. I opened the html file from the terminal and the error I had before didn't occure, so it will be installing now. :D
[10:14] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: ok, how do i configure it
[10:14] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: what does 'ip link ls eth0' say?
[10:14] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: you disable those from the services menu inside of the system settings manager
[10:14] <shadowr3d> how
[10:14] <BluDog_Anchorite> type systemsettings in a terminal
[10:14] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: Device "eth0" does not exist
[10:14] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: and 'ip link ls'?
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> on the bottom line it says services
[10:15] <shadowr3d> i mean i want a different one like the ones you download
[10:15] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> you want to change the boot splash
[10:15] <shadowr3d> yes
[10:15] <shadowr3d> please
[10:15] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: 'ip link ls' returns two entries: lo and sit0
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> thats a totally different question
[10:15] <shadowr3d> o ok
[10:15] <RawSewage> How can I verify a DVD burn.  k3b verifying seems to be broken in Edgy
[10:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> not sure.  never trie dto do it with kubuntu
[10:15] <RawSewage> is there a tool that can verify a burn?
[10:16] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: that is not good.
[10:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> RawSewage: if you have a md5 of the original, try running md5sum on the disc
[10:16] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: what would that indicate
[10:16] <RawSewage> BluDog_Anchorite, ok thx.  how do I get that sum
[10:16] <shadowr3d> because i dont want it to say kubuntu i want the one i downloaded from the web kdelooks.org or something like that
[10:16] <BluDog_Anchorite> RawSewage: run md5sum on the source file if you have it
[10:16] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: try 'sudo rmmod pcnet32' and after that 'sudo modprobe pcnet32;
[10:16] <RawSewage> BluDog_Anchorite, cool thx
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: ok done
[10:18] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: 'ip link ls' again
[10:18] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: same
[10:18] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: have a look at last 20-30 lines of the output of 'dmesg' and of the file '/var/log/messages'
[10:19] <shadowr3d> how can i change the song when kde starts up?
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> blisss: dmesg has "PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 0000:00:11.0" and "pcnet32: PCnet version 0xfff1, no PCnet32 chip."
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: /var/log/messages says the same things
[10:21] <shadowr3d> nevermind i know how kool
[10:21] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: good, interesting "no PCnet32 chip".
[10:21] <BonBonTheJon> yeah
[10:22] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: because it is a Lance, not a PCNET32. It must be *very* old. Check this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#lance
[10:23] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: but then it says it is the PCNET32 version of the LANCE. So it should work.
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: thanks for your help, I think I will just spend the $15 to buy a new card I know wil work
[10:24] <nil_> Do I need to create a symlink after jre is installed ?
[10:24] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: thats better because the "AMD 79C970" says the Boca version has bugs, and perhaps that's what you got
[10:24] <Blissex> BonBonTheJon: as in: "the Boca implementation of the 79C970 fails on fast Pentium machines"
[10:26] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[10:26] <BonBonTheJon> bliss: so any new ethernet card will work?
[10:27] <shadowr3d> thanks bludog ill try it
[10:27] <BluDog_Anchorite> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77290
[10:27] <BluDog_Anchorite> that one too
[10:27] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:30] <danish> when using vmplayer we can still add/remove programs to virtual machine
[10:30] <marc__> in ubuntu how to you add something to startup such as nfsmount ...rc-update does not work?
[10:36] <ditte> hi
[10:37] <nil_> it seems jre is not working...
[10:37] <ditte> anyone knows of a partitioning utility that works with Kubuntu?
[10:38] <shadowr3d> bludog i couldnt do it im a newbie so could you help me
[10:41] <sui> hi
[10:41] <ditte> hi sui
[10:42] <sui> << just looking in, no problems till now with my new installation :)
[10:42] <sui> kubuntu on a thinkpad is very "smart"
[10:43] <ditte> sui: it's my first time on Linux, and I'm getting a new respect for Microsoft:)
[10:43] <ditte> I hope it's a temporary phenomenon
[10:43] <sui> respect for MS? why this?
[10:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> shadowr3d: im at work now, so i cant take up any project like that.  i have never done one myself
[10:44] <seth> ditte, qtparted
[10:44] <shadowr3d> o
[10:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> sorry
[10:44] <shadowr3d> what ya working at
[10:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> i do tech support for a voip company
[10:45] <shadowr3d> nah thats fine i understand
[10:45] <shadowr3d> ooo
[10:45] <shadowr3d> fancy
[10:45] <shadowr3d> whats voip
[10:45] <ditte> sui: put it like this: up to now, I haven't been able to install a single program that wasn't in Adept, to make my printer work, or to even see how my HDD is partitioned
[10:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> voice over IP
[10:45] <ditte> thanks seth
[10:45] <shadowr3d> o
[10:45] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:45] <shadowr3d> back to work then huh
[10:45] <seth> ditte, you shouldn't need to install stuff that isn't in adept, really
[10:45] <seth> what kind of printer?
[10:46] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:46] <ditte> seth: well, I'd like at least Sylpheed and Opera
[10:46] <ditte> possibly rosegarden
[10:46] <ditte> seth: it's a banal HP 920C
[10:47] <ditte> kubuntu recognises it, but when installing it, it gives me some hogwash, and I'm back to square one
[10:47] <sui> ditte: have you ever used a konsole-based prog? take a look at your sources.list and add new repositories and type apt-get update
[10:47] <seth> ditte, open add/remove programs (not adept), and check the "commercial software" box
[10:47] <seth> opera will show up
[10:47] <ditte> sui: I installed this stuff htis afternoon, I doubt they have updated in the last 3 hours:)
[10:48] <jager> does kubuntu seem particualrly crash prone to you guys lately?
[10:48] <seth> ditte, rosegarden is in universe. You will need to add the Universe repositories and it'll be there
[10:48] <jager> seems like it likes to hard lock more often than usual
[10:48] <lotusleaf> jager: no
[10:48] <lotusleaf> jager: what in particular seems crashy to you and what version are you using?
[10:49] <ditte> seth: still can't find Opera
[10:50] <ditte> universe, eh?
[10:50] <jager> hard locks quite a bit, often while playing music in amarok but not always
[10:50] <jager> this is dapper 6.06
[10:50] <hack124x768> Hello all. Does anyone here know how to install kubuntu from and NFS share. I don't have accessto a CD burner and want to try edgy.
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: have you filed a bug report?
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: I've always experienced random crashes in AmaroK
[10:51] <lotusleaf> jager: though I must say the past few versions have improved ;)
[10:51] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:52] <hack124x768> I know there is a howto for the bootsplash somewhere, i'll see if I can find it.
[10:52] <seth> ditte, open a terminal for me
[10:52] <seth> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:52] <seth> ^ run that
[10:53] <larson9999> i was locking up like crazy using a mobo with an embedded ati x200 graphics card.  took it back for a similar model with nvidia and all is fine
[10:53] <seth> ditte, you'll find 4 lines that look like URLs and have the word "universe" at the end. Remove the "#" from the beginning of each of those lines.
[10:53] <seth> ditte, also, paste this line at the end of the file:
[10:53] <seth> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[10:53] <ditte> seth: says X Error, failed to open device
[10:53] <seth> that's fine, it should still pop up a password window
[10:54] <seth> er... you're running KDE right now, aren't you?
[10:54] <sui> seth: contains "universe" commercial software?
[10:54] <seth> not just from the console?
[10:54] <seth> sui, no. Universe contains unsupported software.
[10:54] <seth> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main << contains commerical software
[10:54] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:54] <ditte> seth: erh, actually, aside from the error message and the fact thatthe shell is now stuck, nothing happened
[10:54] <sui> seth: ok, i will add this
[10:55] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: im looking for a howto still
[10:55] <shadowr3d> you to
[10:55] <seth> ditte, that's rather weird
[10:55] <seth> CTRL+C to "unstick" the console
[10:55] <ditte> oh right, I should have remembered that from the UNIX times:)
[10:56] <seth> use "sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list" instead then
[10:56] <seth> it'll use a console-based text editor
[10:56] <shadowr3d> hack124x768:
[10:56] <sui> vim ;)
[10:57] <seth> sui, sudoedit uses nano by default, since it uses $EDITOR
[10:57] <haully_> how to put res. 1280x1024 if the max in menu is 1024x768? editing xorg.conf?
[10:57] <seth> haully_, yes
[10:57] <seth> sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:57] <ditte> ok, now I get something that looks a lot like vi opening an empty file
[10:57] <haully_> hm ok, thx
[10:57] <seth> ditte, are you sure you typed the filename correctly?
[10:57] <seth>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[10:58] <sui> seth: nano is (was) my editor till, now but i found a nice tutorial on the web for vim
[10:58] <ditte> seth: yup, that's the string
[10:58] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: try this url https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[10:58] <shadowr3d> ok
[10:58] <sui> and i have to remember that this ist ubuntu, not a gentoo chan ;)
[10:59] <shadowr3d> wait hack i tried that its to confusing
[10:59] <ditte> people...is the AMD64 version stable?
[10:59] <shadowr3d> do you know how
[10:59] <ditte> I have the impression that this is screwed up beyond my obvious incompetence
[11:00] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: then you're kinda bummin. Its isn't meant to be changed, so it's going to be a little time consuming.
[11:00] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: You could look for other ones people ahve already made.
[11:01] <shadowr3d> i did and i downloaded it but i dont know how to change it
[11:01] <ditte> and why does bloody qtparted try to connect to X server :0.0?
[11:01] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: where did you get it from?
[11:01] <ditte> does the K stand for "Kafka"?
[11:01] <sui> ditte: because its a X-application
[11:01] <shadowr3d> i think it was kdelooks.org
[11:01] <shadowr3d> or something like that
[11:02] <sui> what do o have to do to get dvds working?
[11:02] <hack124x768> shadowr3d: kde-look.org, its a good site, im looking at it now...
[11:02] <sui> s/o/I/
[11:02] <shadowr3d> It was KDE-look.org
[11:02] <shadowr3d> yes
[11:02] <shadowr3d> that one
[11:02] <hack124x768> sui: sudo apt-get libdvdcss i believe.
[11:02] <seth> hack124x768, not in Ubuntu's repos
[11:03] <seth> you can do that if you add the plf repo
[11:03] <sui> hack124x768: no libdvdcss isn'T available
[11:04] <sui> have to look on the web for that repo
[11:04] <ditte> sui: to sum it up: if I open qtparted as root, it doesn't work, if I open it as ditte, it doesn't do anything because I'm not root
[11:05] <shadowr3d> did you find anything hack
[11:05] <sui> ditte: thats weird, but i suppose the root-user isn't allowed to connect the x-server
[11:06] <ditte> sui: is this standard in kubuntu??
[11:06] <sui> ditte: try "xhost +localhost" as user and "export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0" as root
[11:06] <sui> ditte: then start qtparted
[11:08] <ditte> sui: ok, now it got the shell stuck and nothing happened
[11:08] <sui> ditte: do you get an error message?
[11:08] <ditte> sui: nope
[11:08] <ditte> siui: oh yes, I do now
[11:09] <ditte> sui: " cannot connect to X server localhost:0.0"
[11:09] <sui> ditte: the solution i posted some lines above should fix this problem o_O
[11:10] <drnoone> anyone have a Compro VideoMate TV Card Remote Control working on Dapper?
[11:10] <ditte> sui: if you mean the export display, I did that
[11:10] <drnoone> I don't know how to load event interface suport
[11:11] <sui> ditte: and the user who started the xserver accepts connections... weird
[11:11] <shadowr3d> anyone else know how to change the bootsplash at the start of kubuntu?
[11:12] <ditte> sui: this is the seventh "weird" I hear in a day. I think I'll change linux distribution
[11:12] <ditte> anything you can advise for AMD64?
[11:12] <sui> ditte: sry, normaly that should work
[11:12] <main2> kubuntu64
[11:12] <main2> :+
[11:12] <ditte> I'm on kubuntu64 now. Doesn't work
[11:12] <main2> kubutun roxx0rs ur b0xxors brother..
[11:12] <main2> oops, sorry girl..
[11:13] <sui> ditte: oh, you won't ask me. i'm very familiar with gentoo and like this distri very much
[11:13] <ditte> christ, I used VAX'es which gave fewer problems
[11:13] <main2> ditte: if ur on 64.. then you should use a 64bit linux distro yes..
[11:13] <main2> ive used a 64bit distro on my turion64(laptop).. its lightning fast
[11:13] <ditte> oh, fast it is fast
[11:14] <main2> (i used slamd64, but thats not official - and i DO NOT recommend you to use it)
[11:14] <ditte> gives me error messages at an enviable rate
[11:14] <main2> ditte, if you used vax'es - then u must be old :P
[11:14] <main2> you used vms?
[11:16] <ditte> main: well, let's say my university didn't believe in updating hardware that much:)
[11:17] <main2> =)
[11:17] <larson9999> i'm thinking you should use 32bit if you have an amd64 unless you don't mind some work ahead
[11:18] <Vegeta> How can I close an Adept application? Because I can't acces the "Add/Remove Programs" or Synaptic, because it says that some Adept Application is running. How do I know whta it is and kill it?
[11:18] <ditte> larson9999: is the distribution buggy?
[11:18] <main2> larson9999: i disagree - why use 32bit, if there are 64bit distro's which are WAY faster
[11:18] <main2> unless you have a 'band' (am i saying that right;) with the distro
[11:18] <larson9999> ditte: well, reading about it, i don't hear anything that makes me want to try.  all i read about is heartache and pain at this point
[11:19] <larson9999> main2 which 64bit distro do you recommend?
[11:19] <main2> ditte: you tried kubuntu64?
[11:19] <main2> if its buggy - give Ubuntu64 a spin..
[11:19] <ditte> larson9999: well, you can add my heartaches and pains...I think I'll be off to windows until they come out with something that works
[11:19] <main2> you can always install KDE on it :P
[11:20] <ditte> main: I *am* on kubuntu64, I insist
[11:20] <llxcamxll> dragon ball z
[11:20] <alessandro> hallo
[11:20] <srdjant> ooh kubuntu has a 64 bit build?
[11:20] <main2> larson9999: gentoo?
[11:20] <ditte> it sucks like nothing I've ever tried since a mid-90's distribution of Mandrake which generally didn't even make it through installation
[11:21] <main2> just use a official 64bit distro, no 'homebrewn' thingies.... .......... ;)
[11:21] <alessandro> who could help me how to find and install filezilla su ubuntu?
[11:21] <main2> ditte: why dont you try ubuntu64?
[11:21] <larson9999> main2: gentoo is painful enough for someone swithing from windows
[11:21] <ditte> main2: I sort of like KDE...besides, it's the same thing just with a different front
[11:22] <ditte> goign to have the same bugs
[11:22] <main2> http://www.klid.dk/homeftp/ubuntu-cd/6.06/
[11:22] <main2> can you name some of the bugs ur running up to?
[11:22] <ditte> well, good night people...I'll see you in 6 months or so when they come out with a stable version
[11:23] <ditte> thanks for the help, however
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> If you want to run kubuntu on hardware without problems, then buy the right hardware. http://system76.com/
[11:23] <main2> hahahaha =)
[11:23] <Vegeta> Why can I now acces the Synaptic or Add/Remove Programs? It says another process is using the package system. How can I see wich process it is and kill it?
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> (As a example of a company that sells hardware tha works under Linux properly)
[11:23] <alessandro> filezilla ?
[11:24] <ditte> Ash: yeah right, I'm going to buy a PC which doesn't tell you how much RAM it has, and then run on it an OS that takes 700 Mb just to stay alive...smart idea
[11:25] <Ash-Fox> ditte, don't know what you're talking about. I can see the specifications just fine.
[11:25] <ditte> Ash: well, you can customize it, but I think the basic version had 512 Mb
[11:25] <alessandro> how can I enjoy an Italian chat?
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> And the OS it self comes fully with software so you don't need to hunt down and install later, unlike windows installations.
[11:26] <ditte> that isn't enough for kubuntu by a long shot, imho
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> I ran kubuntu on a system that had 256MB ram until recently
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> I don't see the problem?
[11:26] <alessandro> a
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> (It won't slow, unless I had OOo open in the background)
[11:26] <ditte> Ash: my RAM manager says I'm using 700 Mb, and I'm only running IRC
[11:27] <main2> well
[11:27] <sniffy96> is there a way to determine what package a file was installed from?
[11:27] <ditte> well, anyhow, I'm off to bed
[11:27] <main2> then you need to ctrl+escape
[11:27] <Ash-Fox> ditte, and?
[11:27] <main2> show all processes - and find out what leaks
[11:27] <main2> ffs.. you give up way to quickly :O
[11:27] <ditte> well, anyhow. Off to bed I am. See you at the next stable release, if ever
[11:27] <sui> << afk
[11:28] <main2> bye bye girl, one day ull learn it - im sure.
[11:28] <Ash-Fox> Windows uses swap always, no matter how much ram you have, unless you specifically disable swap space, but even then windows will create a temporary one in the temp directory.
[11:28] <main2> miranda_: o_O
[11:28] <main2> another danish girl.. make my day
[11:37] <Frederick> folks does anyone here by any chance uses imagemagick?
[11:38] <lotusleaf> Frederick: what is your question?
[11:38] <Frederick> lotusleaf, I'm having a major head ache to make this -> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/magick-wand.php work on my box
[11:40] <Frederick> lotusleaf, where you sucessful?
[11:44] <intelikey> kmidi is erroring with /dev/sequencer can't be opened, probably in use.   do you recon there nay be a module i need to load ?
[11:44] <triade> anybody can tell me how i can get apt-get to do a "fuzzy" search..when I dont know the exact name?
[11:44] <triade> cant find it in man or --help
[11:44] <intelikey> triade apt-get doesn't search.  apt-cache search searches
[11:45] <triade> intelikey: huh???
[11:45] <triade> intelikey: hang on got that....just a sec
[11:46] <intelikey> apt-cache search blah   &&  sudo apt-get install blah's-exact.name
[11:47] <intelikey> if you make apt-cache any fuzzer you'll have to shave it to read it.
[11:49] <triade> intelikey: looks like I'll have to do that
[11:49] <intelikey> i think i found the module... tty24 [root@~]  modprobe snd-seq-midi
[11:49] <intelikey> triade pipe it through less.
[11:49] <intelikey> then use the search feature in less.
[11:49] <triade> intelikey: tried apt-cache search build ... that was too much
[11:50] <intelikey> build-essential
[11:50] <intelikey> !b-e
[11:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:50] <triade> intelikey: tried apt-cache search build|grep utils ...even that's too much :-(
[11:51] <intelikey> or use the switch in apt-cache to restrict the search to the package names rather than the name and info
[11:53] <triade> intelikey: got that....thanks.
[11:53] <intelikey> what's the differance in   echo '' > blah    and  :>blah   ?
[11:54] <triade> intelikey: you asking me?
[11:55] <intelikey> anyone
[11:56] <intelikey> i think i got it tho   echo -e "\c" > blah1 == :>blah2  != echo '' > blah3      blah1&2 are empty while blah3 has a \n in it.
[11:56] <triade> intelikey: the first one opens the shell waiting for input.
[11:57] <intelikey> oobivously you didn't get all the quotation marks the same.
[12:00] <triade> intelikey: you lost me there...wotyer trying todo?
[12:00] <intelikey> echo -e "\c" > blah1
[12:00] <intelikey> :>blah2
[12:00] <intelikey> echo '' > blah3
[12:00] <intelikey> ls -l
[12:01] <intelikey> that's the way to test that ^
[12:01] <JFreakCapo> hello everybody, anybody can help me, my wireless led don't turn on when set on the wireless card of my notbook
[12:02] <gnurante> JFreakCapo: it's a driver problem... i think!
[12:03] <intelikey> triade so if you(I) need an epmty file :>filename  but if you need an epmty file with a carrage return use echo '' > filename
[12:03] <JFreakCapo> but the wireless works perfectly, just that the led never turn on, the bluetoth led yes turn on (and off) ...
[12:03] <intelikey> i was trying to figure out why they used both under different circumstances
[12:04] <took> what is going wrong here? https://1stein.blinkenarea.org/lldrv/
[12:04] <took> what is going wrong here? https://1stein.blinkenarea.org/lldrv/
[12:04] <took> root@kubuntu23:~/Blinken/lldrv# make
[12:04] <took> make default_2.6
[12:04] <took> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/took/Blinken/lldrv'
[12:04] <took> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/took/Blinken/lldrv modules
[12:04] <took> make: Entering an unknown directory
[12:04] <took> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build: No such file or directory.  Schluss.
[12:05] <took> make: Leaving an unknown directory
[12:05] <took> make[1] : *** [default_2.6]  Fehler 2
[12:05] <took> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/took/Blinken/lldrv'
[12:05] <took> make: *** [default]  Fehler 2
[12:05] <took> root@kubuntu23:~/Blinken/lldrv#
[12:05] <took> kernesource and build-essentials are installed...
[12:05] <triade> intelikey: right....got that! now you got me wondering. :-P
[12:05] <intelikey> took looks like no symlink in the modules dir
[12:06] <took> to where to they have to point to?
[12:06] <triade> intelikey: did you try printf as well?
[12:06] <intelikey> ln -s /your/source/dir(inturpteted) /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build
[12:06] <intelikey> took ^
[12:07] <took> s/where to/where do/1
[12:07] <intelikey> triade no hadn't but didn't notice printf in the code i was looking at