[07:08] <troy_s> ping
[10:45] <BHSPitMonkey> hi all
[11:46] <bersace> troy_s: hi brother !
[11:48] <PingunZ> ping Seveas: I upgraded this morning, no new usplash yet ?
[11:59] <PingunZ> Is the ubuntu-usplash theme uploaded // can we start using it // how ?
[11:59] <Seveas> yes it is uploaded
[11:59] <Seveas> don't know about build status yet
[12:01] <PingunZ> What package should I download , once its in the repo's
[05:14] <troy_s> ping
[05:27] <Chipzz> people, no offense meant, but the new gnome splash screen totally sucks
[05:28] <troy_s> yep
[05:28] <troy_s> it is in a state of flux
[05:28] <Chipzz> 17:22 < Chipzz> and some people do have other backgrounds than the standard brown, so it is *NOT* ok to have semi-anti-aliassed corners half  part of the splash
[05:28] <Chipzz> I have a blue background, and the brown corners are like a sore
[05:28] <troy_s> Well let's see...
[05:29] <troy_s> Changing the splash is as easy as changing the wallpaper.
[05:29] <troy_s> 2) It is completely unpolished, so expect once things get more settled, those little details will be repaired.
[05:29] <troy_s> It's not a terribly easy item.
[05:30] <Chipzz> luckily I don't reboot very often ;)
[05:30] <troy_s> Ditto.
[05:30] <Chipzz> the old splash didn't have the problem with the corners?
[05:30] <troy_s> No,
[05:30] <troy_s> the problem is that the source images for the dump were in 8 bit alpha
[05:30] <troy_s> and gdm splashes only support 1 bit alpha
[05:30] <troy_s> so that all needs to be trimmed.
[05:30] <troy_s> etc.
[05:30] <_ion> It would be nice if all the occurances of the word "ubuntu" were e.g. white instead of black against a darkish brown background.
[05:31] <troy_s> _ion indeed, but to maintain consistency with the previous versions, black was mandated.
[05:31] <Chipzz> ok, so
[05:31] <troy_s> Chipzz so to sort out the corners is a simple adjustment.
[05:31] <Chipzz> is the default gnome splash still shipped anywhere?
[05:31] <troy_s> It is easy enough to pull up.
[05:32] <Chipzz> I think that will work better with my background anyway :)
[05:32] <_ion> /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-smooth.png *rules*, and it's white. :-)
[05:32] <troy_s> let me look _ion
[05:32] <PingunZ> -- Talking about splashes, I need someone to create a basic background image for splashes. ( like gnome, openoffice, screem, gimp, xara,... ). I'll do the text and some logo's. I just need a background image.
[05:33] <troy_s> _ion, do you have a link to it?
[05:34] <_ion> troy: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/ubuntu-smooth
[05:35] <PingunZ> Eek, is that the current splash ?
[05:35] <_ion> No.
[05:35] <troy_s> PingunZ - no
[05:36] <PingunZ> Ah ok :)
[05:36] <Chipzz> hrrm damn
[05:36] <troy_s> anyways, the lsplash will see the most adjustment in the near future
[05:36] <Chipzz> I thought this was gonna be the new gnome (upstream) splash
[05:36] <Chipzz> http://oskuro.net/blogpics/gnome-two-sixteen.jpg
[05:36] <Chipzz> or something alike
[05:36] <PingunZ> Chipzz: I was in the team who made that splash
[05:36] <troy_s> don't know much about upstream
[05:37] <troy_s> but it doesn't apply to ubuntu
[05:37] <Chipzz> PingunZ: the ubuntu splash or the upstream splash?
[05:37] <PingunZ> Chipzz: There is a bigger and better version if want so ?
[05:37] <Chipzz> PingunZ: is that actually a splash screen, or more some kind of banner?
[05:37] <PingunZ> gnome.org splash -> two-point-sixteen
[05:37] <troy_s> chipzz so hang in there re the splash.
[05:37] <PingunZ> err .. its a banner ;)
[05:38] <Chipzz> PingunZ: and there is no splash screen variant I presume? :S
[05:38] <PingunZ> Chipzz: http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/two-sixteen.png
[05:38] <PingunZ> I'll see if I can find the source images
[05:39] <Chipzz> PingunZ: to be usable as a splash screen I guess it would need to be wider and taller too
[05:39] <PingunZ> Chipzz: Its large enough
[05:39] <Chipzz> taller to accomodate space for the icons of metacity and gnome-panel etc
[05:40] <Chipzz> PingunZ: btw, I really your work on that - great job! :)
[05:40] <troy_s> blue is a little dated no?
[05:41] <PingunZ> Chipzz: I didn't make it, I just helped making it
[05:41] <troy_s> aqua, xp, etc.
[05:41] <PingunZ> Chipzz: I can't find the source images, sorry ..
[05:41] <Chipzz> troy_s: I have the gnome glassfoot background image, and gdm theme, so that would work perfect for me :)
[05:41] <PingunZ> But feel free to edit the image and make a splash of it ;)
[05:42] <Chipzz> alas, I'm really bad with graphics ; and without the gimp source files, I really doubt I could make much of it :/
[05:43] <troy_s> chipzz gnome-look probably has a plethora of images in blue for you.
[05:43] <Chipzz> yeah
[05:43] <troy_s> greetings n7cee
[05:43] <Chipzz> PingunZ: do you know anyone who might have them?
[05:43] <n7cee> hello
[05:44] <PingunZ> Chipzz: Try gnome-look.org
[05:44] <PingunZ> or you could join Gimpnet -> #marketing
[05:44] <PingunZ> and ask for the source files
[05:45] <PingunZ> Or gimpnet -> #gnome-art
[05:45] <troy_s> the channel has been busier of late.
[05:45] <PingunZ> hey n7cee
[05:45] <PingunZ> troy_s: This channel ? Indeed :)
[05:45] <PingunZ> That's good right ?
[05:47] <troy_s> one would think.
[05:48] <PingunZ> troy_s: What do you mean ? You prefer this channel to be more silent ?
[05:48] <troy_s> no, i think it is great that more people have been popping by.
[05:49] <PingunZ> Ah ;) I didn't understand you :)
[05:50] <PingunZ> Btw, Do you know if the ubuntu-usplash-theme is in the repo's yet ?
[05:55] <troy_s> which one
[05:57] <Chipzz> anyway,
[06:14] <PingunZ> troy_s: wasn't se veas ( don't want to ping him ) working on it yesterday ?
[06:16] <troy_s> oh yes...
[06:16] <troy_s> frank got him the _bare_ minimum
[06:16] <troy_s> but it will take some dev time
[06:16] <troy_s> sev i believe was integrating it.
[06:16] <troy_s> but it is far from complete.
[06:22] <PingunZ> Ph, I see
[06:22] <PingunZ> *Oh
[06:22] <PingunZ> Well, I'm out, latez
[06:22] <PingunZ> *laterz
[07:39] <BHSPitMonkey> hi hi
[07:48] <cbx33> Does usplash have completed artwork yet?
[07:48] <cbx33> or is it still the testing screen
[07:49] <BHSPitMonkey> clarify what you mean?
[07:49] <cbx33> well, my usplash is the edgy eft starting screen
[09:39] <troy_s> cbx33 testing still.
[10:14] <PingunZ> Hey, I made some splashes : http://pingunz.deviantart.com/
[10:47] <cbx33> kwwii is there actually a proper usplash artwork done yet?
[10:48] <kwwii> cbx33: yes, but we will still be working on improving it
[10:48] <kwwii> we have only yesterday included the first stuff
[10:49] <cbx33> hmmm...
[10:49] <cbx33> why am I not seeing any proper usplash images?
[10:50] <kwwii> cbx33: it is broken on my machine too, no idea why
[10:50] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[10:51] <kwwii> in fact, I cannot find anyone who has it working
[10:51] <cbx33> i just wanted to see waht is looked like
[10:51] <cbx33> so I can make the edubuntu ones look alike
[10:53] <kwwii> both ubuntu and kubuntu are based on the example theme now
[10:53] <cbx33> is that in the usplash-dev file?
[10:53] <cbx33> package
[10:53] <kwwii> yepp
[10:54] <cbx33> ok I'll grab that
[10:54] <cbx33> but as far as you know usplash is broken?
[10:54] <kwwii> well, as I said, I cannot find anyone who has it working
[10:54] <kwwii> I have not seen it yet, only put in some pis and hoped for the best :-)
[10:54] <kwwii> s/pis/pics
[10:54] <cbx33> heheh
[10:55] <cbx33> we had a bit of a hiccup on our artwork side
[10:55] <kwwii> how so?
[10:55] <cbx33> well everyone said they were interested in helping scarpered
[10:55] <cbx33> and one of our team who we thought had done some work
[10:55] <cbx33> hadn't had time to do any
[10:56] <cbx33> so we're a little behind
[10:56] <cbx33> I have a lot of it done
[10:56] <cbx33> still working away
[10:56] <cbx33> tomorrow will be "produce" day
[10:56] <cbx33> ;)
[10:56] <kwwii> hehe
[10:56] <kwwii> I know that feeling
[10:56] <cbx33> heheh
[10:56] <troy_s> greets boys
[10:56] <cbx33> how did kubuntu art go this release?#
[10:57] <cbx33> hi troy_s
[10:57] <cbx33> like the final sounds?
[10:57] <kwwii> hey man
[10:57] <troy_s> hey ken, how goes it?
[10:57] <troy_s> cbx33 yes... i think they are a step in the right direction
[10:58] <troy_s> it is a tricky line to walk between organic and too cultural feeling
[10:58] <kwwii> good troy, glad to have at least a basic version of all the artwork done by feature freeze ;-)
[10:58] <troy_s> the latter risks cliches and such.
[10:58] <troy_s> kwwii yes indeed.
[10:58] <kwwii> I can take a nice wieekend off without doing too much
[10:59] <troy_s> yeah i was a little upset that a rather kludged lsplash got in, but my time can only come on the weekends currently.
[10:59] <kwwii> of course, I spent the day buying 400Euros in lamps and drilling holes in my walls to install them :-)
[10:59] <troy_s> cbx33 how goes edubuntu artwork?
[10:59] <troy_s> eek
[10:59] <troy_s> how come?
[10:59] <kwwii> my wife wanted new lighting
[10:59] <troy_s> cbx33 it sounded a little chaotic last thing i heard about it.
[11:00] <troy_s> well i guess that about says it doesn't it kwwii?  lol
[11:00] <kwwii> hehe, no shit :-)
[11:00] <cbx33> edubuntu artwork is def getting there
[11:00] <troy_s> kwwii any word on the aic for edgy+1 yet?
[11:00] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP1.jpg
[11:00] <troy_s> thanks cbx33 i was just asking it as you typed it.
[11:00] <kwwii> troy_s: nope, I guess that will be figured out in california in november
[11:01] <cbx33> that's an idea for the higher education wallpaper
[11:01] <cbx33> we have three wallpapers in our artwork pacakge
[11:01] <troy_s> cbx33 do you have a study of all the work thus far?
[11:01] <troy_s> or is it scattered?
[11:01] <cbx33> higher_ed, school, and lower school
[11:01] <cbx33> it is pretty scatter
[11:01] <cbx33> read above :(
[11:02] <troy_s> is there a study available for each with a screenshot?
[11:02] <cbx33> we had big problems
[11:02] <troy_s> yes... too bad more folks from edubuntu didn't step in line.
[11:02] <cbx33> yeh
[11:02] <troy_s> ubuntu and kubuntu were pretty on sched
[11:02] <cbx33> so Lisa and I are working last minute
[11:02] <cbx33> troy_s nice ;)
[11:02] <troy_s> of course, the former needs to wait umpteen hours for sabdfl email and such...
[11:03] <troy_s> cbx33 i hope it works out for edubuntu, it really is a great project and a harmonious look could greatly aid its adoption.
[11:03] <troy_s> kwwii calif?  uck.
[11:03] <BHSPitMonkey> hi all
[11:04] <troy_s> hello BHSPitMonkey - how are you?
[11:04] <cbx33> of course we'll get there ;)
[11:04] <troy_s> kwwii i think mark is already pondering the aic position now.
[11:05] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I can imagine so
[11:05] <troy_s> i think i am going to buy a 22 inch widescreen monitor
[11:05] <troy_s> and drop my tools and such onto the 17
[11:05] <kwwii> hehe, I thought about the same thing today
[11:06] <troy_s> dual heading for xara and such
[11:06] <troy_s> inkscape has blur too... did you hear about that yet kwwii?
[11:06] <troy_s> slider in the fill dialog
[11:06] <BHSPitMonkey> troy_s, good, thanks
[11:06] <kwwii> the thing is this: all the different buntus have different teams and different needs, so having one aic that does everything for all fo them is perhaps a bit unrealistic
[11:07] <kwwii> troy_s: actually, I built the newest stuff and saw that
[11:07] <troy_s> the rendering in the toolshed is a little uck, but
[11:07] <BHSPitMonkey> heh, that higher education wallpaper has source code built right in :)
[11:07] <BHSPitMonkey> guess it's gpl friendly
[11:07] <troy_s> laf
[11:07] <cbx33> hehehe
[11:07] <kwwii> it made me look twice when I saw the slider
[11:07] <troy_s> kwwii is that his plan?
[11:07] <cbx33> BHSPitMonkeymy source code ;)
[11:07] <troy_s> i don't think that is his plan by any stretch.
[11:07] <kwwii> troy_s: no, it is just my opinion
[11:07] <troy_s> i think he intends to appoint an AiC for every release to get folks familiar with the system
[11:08] <troy_s> of course, the aic for ubuntu is _completely_ different than that of the others.
[11:08] <kwwii> yeah, that is what he said....but I think that that position is more for ubuntu than anything else
[11:08] <troy_s> ?
[11:08] <troy_s> The AiC?
[11:08] <kwwii> I think he can hire one aic for ubuntu and then hire artists for his other needs
[11:08] <troy_s> The aic i believe he wants to continue for at least both.
[11:09] <troy_s> not 100% sure, but pretty close to it.
[11:09] <kwwii> well, for instance, if the aic did both, who would do the artwork for kubuntu?
[11:09] <troy_s> no
[11:09] <troy_s> i think his goal was to have an aic for each.
[11:09] <kwwii> ahhhh
[11:09] <kwwii> I did not realize that
[11:09] <cbx33> would make sense
[11:09] <troy_s> as in, ubu aic and kubu aic just like this cycle.
[11:10] <cbx33> and edu get one....probably not
[11:10] <troy_s> i believe he also has a longer term goal to establish a higher
[11:10] <kwwii> from what I understood in paris, it will be one person for all, and perhaps an artist or two on top
[11:10] <troy_s> level
[11:10] <kwwii> well, not on top, but below .-9
[11:10] <kwwii> yeah, that is what I meant
[11:10] <troy_s> there will eventually be someone above the aic's it sounds like, but right now i think the idea is to get infrastructure in place
[11:11] <troy_s> need to get a good set of design docs out there.
[11:11] <cbx33> a "paid" aic would be better
[11:12] <cbx33> would be able to devote more time to the project
[11:12] <troy_s> well paid is good, but ultimately the job description needs to be fully fleshed out
[11:12] <cbx33> which is another reason why lisa struggled
[11:12] <troy_s> including the drafting and implementation of design docs
[11:12] <troy_s> etc.
[11:12] <cbx33> had so much paid work to do
[11:12] <troy_s> indeed.
[11:12] <troy_s> we all do
[11:12] <cbx33> she had to prioritise
[11:12] <troy_s> of course.
[11:12] <cbx33> did any of the other aic's get paid this release?
[11:12] <troy_s> if you pay someone to generate work though, it is very short lived.
[11:13] <troy_s> cbx33 i don't know.
[11:13] <cbx33> well lisa is actually doing a lot of the work
[11:13] <troy_s> the structure is far more important in terms of long term goals.
[11:13] <cbx33> of course
[11:13] <troy_s> kwwii might have more insight into that as he is one of them
[11:13] <kwwii> hehe, yes, I am being paid
[11:13] <troy_s> kwwii is the official AiC for kubuntu for edgy+1
[11:14] <cbx33> well that kinda sux
[11:14] <troy_s> i must clean my bloody keyboard.
[11:14] <cbx33> good on you kwwii
[11:14] <kwwii> troy_s: hehe, I wish
[11:14] <kwwii> I am only official for edgy
[11:14] <cbx33> but I'm a little dissapointed that there were no funds for edubuntu
[11:14] <kwwii> I did dapper (at the end of the cycle) and now edgy
[11:14] <troy_s> cbx33 well considering there was exactly _zero_ art team at the start of edgy
[11:14] <troy_s> it isn't really a shocker
[11:15] <kwwii> cbx33: I truly think that edubuntu needs more artistic support
[11:15] <cbx33> you mean for edubuntu?
[11:15] <troy_s> the artwork structure and such really came online in edgy.
[11:15] <troy_s> kwwii -- well that is the goal -- pool artistic resources
[11:15] <cbx33> we tried to get people involved but no one was interested
[11:15] <troy_s> the single warrior model isn't terrific
[11:15] <cbx33> hence I'm working with Lisa on it tomorrow ;)
[11:15] <kwwii> cbx33: it is too small of a market to interest enough users which are artists, I think
[11:16] <cbx33> hopefully something may happen for lisa next release if we manage to pull out all the sotps tomorrow
[11:16] <cbx33> I know she's love to work even part time on it
[11:16] <troy_s> i don't know about that.  the buntu's are a tidal wave
[11:16] <cbx33> well I'm off to bed
[11:16] <troy_s> aight... get some rest.
[11:16] <cbx33> early start tomorro
[11:17] <troy_s> be good cbx33
[11:17] <cbx33> take cae guys
[11:17] <kwwii> cbx33: night, see you:-)
[11:17] <PingunZ> Wow, has been active last 15 minutes
[11:17] <PingunZ> Just when I was gone -_-
[11:17] <troy_s> wow
[11:18] <troy_s> 117 folks on the launchpad tracker now.
[11:18] <kwwii> oh now that you are here ...........
[11:18] <troy_s> that's pretty bonkers.
[11:18] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[11:18] <kwwii> my wife is watching female boxing. freaky
[11:18] <kwwii> she likes boxing a lot
[11:18] <PingunZ> kwwii: rofl
[11:18] <PingunZ> She practices on you ?
[11:19] <BHSPitMonkey> PingunZ, have you had any usplash-related luck
[11:19] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: ?
[11:19] <troy_s> kwwii do you have a screener of the current usplash for kub/ub?
[11:19] <troy_s> handy?
[11:19] <BHSPitMonkey> do you have the new usplash working for you, with a pretty theme?
[11:19] <troy_s> i think frank got the work off to sev.eas
[11:20] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: Not yet, I haven't been told how to..
[11:20] <BHSPitMonkey> ah.
[11:20] <troy_s> i imagine sev.eas is dreading having submitted those usplash refinements... testing is going to be a nightmare.
[11:20] <kwwii> troy_s: nope, I made the pis, but I cannot get it running (or find anyone who could)
[11:20] <BHSPitMonkey> well, I got usplash-dev or whatever
[11:20] <BHSPitMonkey> and compiled the example
[11:20] <troy_s> kwwii do you have a code snippit?
[11:20] <kwwii> frank and I got our stuff done in time (and Seveas was nice enough to help and package it)
[11:20] <troy_s> i still need to get edgy up on bloody vmware-player
[11:20] <PingunZ> troy_s: Why not a partition ?
[11:21] <troy_s> seveas has really pushed a massive rock up a hill.
[11:21] <PingunZ> Its really stable, its my prymary os
[11:21] <kwwii> troy_s: the usplash theme for kubuntu is in kubuntu-default-settings
[11:21] <PingunZ> kwwii: What is it in for ubuntu ?
[11:21] <kwwii> he has done a great job, and was really patient
[11:21] <Seveas> troy_s, the victim is the other thing you asked me to look at
[11:21] <troy_s> pingunz:  because i don't like rebooting and my sata drives don't like it either apparently.
[11:21] <kwwii> PingunZ: not sure, you would have to ask frank
[11:21] <troy_s> the victim?
[11:21] <troy_s> laf.
[11:21] <troy_s> c'est la vie.  with a dead end, where would we travel?
[11:21] <Seveas> heh
[11:22] <troy_s> i got the rounder in on the gdm at least.
[11:22] <PingunZ> Seveas: What package is the ubuntu usplash theme in // how can I enable it ?
[11:22] <Seveas> I'll look at it again for fuzzy
[11:22] <Seveas> PingunZ, for ubuntu the package is not through NEW yet
[11:22] <Seveas> for kubuntu it's in kubuntu-default-settings
[11:22] <PingunZ> :'(
[11:22] <troy_s> pingunz -- ubuntu is a little more, eyes on fries so to speak
[11:23] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1-800.png is the current kubuntu stuff
[11:23] <troy_s> which, ultimately, is a good thing.
[11:23] <PingunZ> that looks nice
[11:23] <troy_s> ah
[11:23] <Seveas> kwwii, riddell made it th xubuntu splash too ;)
[11:23] <kwwii> :p
[11:23] <troy_s> kwwii do you have any studies/sheets of the general look for kub yet?
[11:24] <kwwii> Seveas: to be honest, I thought we should simply use the offical logo for each and a simple throbber or progress bar :-)
[11:24] <troy_s> as in a recent screener set or something?
[11:24] <Seveas> kwwii, I agree
[11:24] <troy_s> kwwii i think frank went sole logo
[11:24] <kwwii> troy_s: I have put a few shots on the nasty huge wiki page
[11:25] <troy_s> laf.
[11:25] <troy_s> incoming/kub?
[11:25] <Seveas> troy_s, what do you mean with 'laf.'?
[11:25] <troy_s> something to be said for scaling.
[11:25] <kwwii> kubuntu-edgy-ideas
[11:25] <troy_s> eek... that's the second person who asked me that this week.  laf simple shorthand for laugh.
[11:25] <Seveas> ah
[11:25] <kwwii> I will be changing all the artwork in the next day or two, I thought about making a montage with all the artwork
[11:25] <Seveas> troy_s, was the other person fschoep or msikma perhaps?
[11:25] <Seveas> they're dutch like me
[11:26] <troy_s> no
[11:26] <troy_s> i can't remember who it was.
[11:26] <Seveas> and laf is dutch for being a coward
[11:26] <PingunZ> True
[11:26] <troy_s> but i think everyone automatically thinks it is some strange acronym
[11:26] <troy_s> ah
[11:26] <PingunZ>  // I'm dutch too -_-
[11:26] <troy_s> how strange is that?
[11:26] <kwwii> hehe
[11:26] <kwwii> I never knew that
[11:26] <troy_s> kwwii what does hehe mean?
[11:27] <Seveas> PingunZ, I thought you were flemish?
[11:27] <troy_s> but i can see why with the dutch thing.
[11:27] <kwwii> troy_s: it means "yo-yo-yo-mutha-fucka
[11:27] <kwwii> "
[11:27] <PingunZ> Yup Seveas I am ..
[11:27] <kwwii> oops, sorry
[11:27] <Seveas> that
[11:27] <Seveas> 's not dutch :
[11:27] <PingunZ> But I don't think ppl all over the word understand ' flemish ' :)
[11:27] <Seveas> hehe
[11:28] <Seveas> in brussels
[11:28] <PingunZ> Seveas: come and visit me lol
[11:28] <PingunZ> I live very close to brussels
[11:28] <PingunZ> google -> hoeilaart ;)
[11:28] <BHSPitMonkey> hey Seveas
[11:28] <Seveas> PingunZ, I have little time, I'm going to eurooscon
[11:28] <troy_s> have you guys seen what pyrotica has been working on?
[11:28] <troy_s> it is pretty damn incredible really.
[11:28] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GdmThemeing
[11:28] <PingunZ> Seveas: eurososcon ?
[11:29] <Seveas> PingunZ, O'Reilly open source conference
[11:29] <kwwii> troy_s: boah, holy shit dude, that is amazing
[11:29] <kwwii> ask me now what "boah" means
[11:29] <troy_s> yeah nice eh?
[11:29] <PingunZ> Seveas: Is everyone allowed ? :)
[11:29] <troy_s> what is boah?
[11:29] <troy_s> just for you.
[11:29] <Seveas> PingunZ, everyone who pays 995,-
[11:30] <BHSPitMonkey> link?
[11:30] <kwwii> it is the sound I make when I am.....
[11:30] <PingunZ> rofl
[11:30] <troy_s> pretty crazy eh?  i have been looking for additional documents
[11:30] <troy_s> found a few...
[11:30] <PingunZ> Seveas: You aren't serious right ?
[11:30] <Seveas> PingunZ, I am
[11:30] <kwwii> I could touch that up and make a kdm-using-gdm-xml howto
[11:30] <troy_s> bloody handy though considering that documentation is about the weakest link in the process.
[11:30] <troy_s> that would rock
[11:30] <Seveas> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/euos2006/
[11:31] <troy_s> kwwii my jaw dropped when i checked in on it last time.
[11:31] <Seveas> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/48/register.html
[11:31] <kwwii> in about two months when I get around to it :-)
[11:31] <troy_s> laf
[11:31] <PingunZ> Seveas: You pay 995 for a conference ??
[11:32] <Seveas> PingunZ, no I got a free ticket
[11:32] <PingunZ> ^^
[11:32] <kwwii> Seveas: did you know that I was co-author of the bootsplash?
[11:32] <Seveas> kwwii, I read it on bootsplash.org
[11:33] <Seveas> Graphical consultant: Kenneth Wesley Wimer II<kwwii at bootsplash dot org>
[11:33] <PingunZ> Seveas: What is so good about it that you should pay 995 for it ??
[11:33] <Seveas> PingunZ, look at the schedule
[11:33] <Seveas> 995 is a pretty LOW price for a conference
[11:34] <PingunZ> Err .. I'm kinda confused
[11:35] <Seveas> PingunZ, you've just bever been to a conference ;)
[11:35] <PingunZ> Nowp :)
[11:35] <PingunZ> And I won't cause I haven't got 995 O_o
[11:35] <BHSPitMonkey> wow.
[11:36] <PingunZ> MY dad would kill me if I paid that much for a conference ( I'm 15 ;) )
[11:36] <troy_s> laf
[11:36] <BHSPitMonkey> heh
[11:36] <troy_s> erm
[11:36] <troy_s> lol
[11:36] <BHSPitMonkey> PingunZ, do you code?
[11:36] <troy_s> not the dutch laf
[11:36] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: NOwp
[11:37] <BHSPitMonkey> I don't like this whole "laf" thing
[11:37] <troy_s> lol
[11:37] <Seveas> PingunZ, such conferences are more targeted at CEO types
[11:37] <Seveas> not 15 year olds
[11:37] <troy_s> lmao
[11:37] <PingunZ> troy_s: try ' rofl , lmao, lol, ..
[11:37] <troy_s> see what i mean -- it's the evil laf
[11:37] <BHSPitMonkey> roflmao
[11:37] <troy_s> sorry pingunz -- been using laf online since about 1989
[11:37] <BHSPitMonkey> roflcopter
[11:37] <troy_s> it is hard to shake.
[11:37] <BHSPitMonkey> wow
[11:37] <PingunZ> troy_s: Its like switching apt-get to aptitude
[11:38] <BHSPitMonkey> you've been using an acronym since I was born?
[11:38] <BHSPitMonkey> PingunZ, who would want to make that switch?
[11:38] <Seveas> troy_s, why would you shake it?
[11:38] <PingunZ> BHSPitMonkey: smart ppl :)
[11:38] <BHSPitMonkey> nah
[11:38] <troy_s> that just scares me and makes me feel very old.  lol.
[11:38] <BHSPitMonkey> heh :P
[11:38] <troy_s> aptitude _does_ have some upsides.
[11:38] <PingunZ> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[11:38] <Seveas> troy_s, just out of curiosity, how old would that be?
[11:38] <BHSPitMonkey> that should be scary... MY lifetime, you've been online
[11:39] <troy_s> 35 -- 36 in oct
[11:39] <troy_s> indeed.
[11:39] <kwwii> hehe, same here
[11:39] <PingunZ> Wow you're more then twice as old as me
[11:39] <BHSPitMonkey> well, I'm 17. nice to meetcha.
[11:39] <kwwii> well, 35 in feb
[11:39] <troy_s> first started coding on an apple ] [ in 1979
[11:39] <troy_s> at the collossal age of 9.
[11:39] <kwwii> hehe, I wish, 36 in feb
[11:39] <PingunZ> rofl, nice script Seveas :)
[11:39] <BHSPitMonkey> haha
[11:39] <Seveas> PingunZ, script?
[11:40] <BHSPitMonkey> my brother's nine
[11:40] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm impressed if he can write a sentence properly
[11:40] <PingunZ> Seveas: You don't calc that yourself right ?
[11:40] <troy_s> that made me laugh out loud.
[11:40] <Seveas> of course I do
[11:40] <kwwii> my brother is 54
[11:40] <BHSPitMonkey> o.o
[11:40] <troy_s> well everyone gets up to speed at some point, some just go about it in different ways ;)
[11:40] <PingunZ> roflmao, I don't believe you man
[11:40] <kwwii> the oldest
[11:40] <troy_s> hey -- it was basic with line numbers.
[11:41] <Seveas> troy_s, GOTO 10
[11:41] <troy_s> bingo
[11:41] <BHSPitMonkey> started using TI-BASIC in 2001, that was my start
[11:41] <PingunZ> I know basic python ... Basic php, html and a little css
[11:41] <Seveas> PingunZ, html, php and css aren't programming languages
[11:41] <troy_s> the desktop computer had quite an impact on my psyche then, so my buddy and i (who owned the damn computer -- something like 4700 bucks cost to his family -- apple hasn't changed a bit)
[11:41] <BHSPitMonkey> I know next to nothing when it comes to web development
[11:41] <BHSPitMonkey> which sucks
[11:41] <BHSPitMonkey> it's really easy to find work on web sites
[11:41] <troy_s> started learning like little rodents.
[11:42] <PingunZ> Seveas: I know, BUt I would be silly with just 2 languages ;)
[11:42] <Seveas> PingunZ, you mean one
[11:42] <troy_s> dog break.  back in  afew.
[11:42] <PingunZ> Seveas: php is a programming language IMO
[11:42] <PingunZ> whatever
[11:42] <Seveas> PingunZ, no -- it's a way to vomit on the internet
[11:42] <PingunZ> rofl
[11:44] <kwwii> hehe, that is why I learned perl so many years ago
[11:44] <kwwii> it paid well at the time
[11:44] <Seveas> it's outdated and crap to maintain now
[11:44] <Seveas> perl does not only allow you to shoot yourself in the foot, it hands you the loaded gun too
[11:45] <kwwii> it is certainly no longer a good language for the net
[11:45] <kwwii> but for some stuff it still rocks
[11:45] <kwwii> obfuscation, for one
[11:45] <Seveas> heh
[11:45] <Seveas> true
[11:45] <Seveas> job security
[11:45] <troy_s> eek
[11:46] <troy_s> well that blasted fschoep should have popped on this morn.
[11:48] <PingunZ> ^^
[11:49] <troy_s> seveas are you on the bug killing fest now?
[11:49] <troy_s> i take it?
[11:49] <troy_s> to get usplash to work.
[11:53] <PingunZ> byez
[11:54] <BHSPitMonkey> night
[11:58] <Seveas> troy_s, no
[11:58] <Seveas> the difficult work is mjg59's part
[12:00] <troy_s> what is his issue?
[12:00] <troy_s> i presume something of that magnatude is ugly as hell to implement.
[12:01] <kwwii> implementing it in a nice way is
[12:01] <kwwii> hacking something together that basically works, but needs "going over" is a bit easier
[12:02] <kwwii> but bug-fixing this stuff is going to be fun, I bet