[12:17] <xopher> Do you guys know how / if I can compile non-debian source code in pbuilder?
[12:17] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[12:18] <Jon335> Reddell: Aren't the Kubuntu packages from the same repo?
[12:18] <Jon335> From Kubuntu.org: "Our Kubuntu CDs are made up of Ubuntu's base plus KDE. You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages (and removing the Gnome packages) from the Ubuntu archives."
[12:18] <xopher> Well if the package doesnt have the debian control files
[12:19] <geser> you could login into a pbuilder session
[12:20] <xopher> hmm, ok
[12:20] <geser> but you would have to do the compilation manually (configure, make, etc.)
[12:20] <xopher> sure
[12:20] <xopher> do I need to mount the dir somehow?
[12:20] <geser> pbuilder login
[12:21] <geser> and then copy the files from outside the chroot (from an other console) into your pbuilder chroot
[12:22] <xopher> how exactly?. . 
[12:22] <xopher> havent figured out how chroot works yet so this is all new to me
[12:41] <Adri2000> what does that mean "warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)" ?
[12:42] <lupine_85> hello
[12:42] <lupine_85> I have a package rquest, if anyone's in? :)
[12:43] <lupine_85> (I already have working .deb files)
[12:44] <geser> Adri2000: no worry about it, afaik it's normal
[12:48] <Adri2000> ok. another one, problem with gpg "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found", it occurs during pbuilder, after the build-depencies and before ./configure. i don't know what does it want to sign, the package is already signed with debuild, no ?
[12:50] <geser> it wants to check the signature on the dsc file
[12:51] <Adri2000> so where is my mistake ?
[12:52] <geser> I get the same error as gpg inside pbuilder doesn't know the keys
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Adri2000, is it your package?
[12:54] <Adri2000> yes Fujitsu
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Actually, that's normal.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> The pbuilder won't have your keys.
[12:56] <Adri2000> so i can ignore this error, ok.
[12:57] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[12:59] <geser> if it would be a real error the pbuilder would stop
[01:03] <Adri2000> the software i'm packaging is djplay, it needs jackd and qjackctl to be running. If one of them is not running, djplay segfaults at startup :/ i'm going to explain this in readme.debian, should i also write a script which starts jackd qjackctl and then djplay ? and what about the .desktop file ? there is none in the sources, neither any pixmaps to make an icon for the menu. what do you think about that ?
[01:06] <geser> have you contacted upstream about the segfaults?
[01:07] <Fujitsu> 'cause it certainly shouldn't segfault.
[01:11] <Adri2000> i don't think upstream will do anything. no new release for 1+ year.
[01:15] <Adri2000> the debian howto says to run make as root :s because make copies some header files on your system...
[02:43] <fbond> crimsun, have you had a change to look at midisport-firmware?
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya Fujitsu
[03:25] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Hi ajmitch.
[04:27] <Fujitsu> Should Universe packages still be auto-syncing from Sid?
[04:35] <bddebian> Fujitsu: No, a sync must be requested afaik
[04:35] <Fujitsu> OK... That's a little silly.
[04:35] <Fujitsu> Because they're not noted anywhere.
[04:38] <bddebian> What do you mean not noted?
[04:41] <Fujitsu> bddebian, packages with newer versions in Debian aren't listed anywhere that I can find...
[04:41] <bddebian> Not on merges.ubuntu.com?
[04:42] <Fujitsu> No, not there.
[04:42] <Fujitsu> That only lists packages with Ubuntu changes.
[04:44] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[04:58] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: http://revu.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html
[04:58] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Ah, hi Toadstool.
[04:58] <Toadstool> hi :)
[05:00] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:00] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[05:26] <imbrandon> 
[05:31] <hub> 
[05:48] <Deeah> What is the best dapper guide for those cool affects(XGL or AIGLX?), I have an ATI Radeon 9100 card, and the free(libre) OSS driver "ati" works great for me for 3d accel stuff. What is the best guide to get that eye candy?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> zakame: lol @ your blog :P
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i thought sleeping at work would be classified as a bad thing.
[08:39] <Deeah> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/jmmN4J70.html
[08:39] <Deeah> Is that the proper way to do aiglx?
[08:47] <Mez> any core-dev around
[09:03] <Plug> can vino work with xgl?
[10:00] <zakame> hi all
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:05] <Fujitsu> Hi, zakame.
[10:12] <imbrandon> moins all
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Morning, imbrandon.
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Can somebody REVU my package on REVU?
[10:15] <Fujitsu> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2868
[10:18] <imbrandon> wow, umm looks liek you dident cahnge any of the stuff from the comments so far
[10:18] <imbrandon> its unstable no edgy, compat 4 not 5
[10:18] <imbrandon> copyright is kinda sparse
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Erm, I did change it...
[10:18] <Fujitsu> I'm sure I did.
[10:18] <imbrandon> please run dh_python in debian/rules and add ${python:Depends} to the Depends: line
[10:18] <imbrandon> * debhelper needs to be Build-Depends instead of Build-Depends-Indep (everything needed in the clean target needs to be)
[10:18] <imbrandon> * ${shlibs:Depends} not needed
[10:18] <imbrandon> * debian/copyright needs to be more extensive, please see /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/licenses
[10:18] <imbrandon> and a;; that ^^
[10:18] <imbrandon> all
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3064
[10:19] <Arbiter> lol
[10:19] <Arbiter> :)
[10:19] <imbrandon> ahhh
[10:19] <Fujitsu> That /was/ the old one :P
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Sorry...
[10:19] <imbrandon> np
[10:22] <imbrandon> ok Fujitsu get one more
[10:22] <imbrandon> done
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Ooh, thanks :)
[10:28] <Arbiter> imbrandon, want to help? :)
[10:28] <Arbiter> i need some reviews... :>
[10:29] <Fujitsu> No other MOTUs around?
[10:30] <zakame> hi Fujitsu
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Have a moment to review a package of mine?
[10:30] <zakame> link?
[10:31] <Fujitsu> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3064
[10:34] <Fujitsu> I've now got to run off to dinner, I should be back in about 25 minutes.
[10:37] <zakame> cool; have to charge my lappy though :/
[10:38] <zakame> so revu-ing could take a bit
[10:48] <Fujitsu> Back.
[11:54] <bersace> Hello motu
[11:54] <bersace> i have uploaded gnomescan at ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Hi bersace.
[11:54] <bersace> what next ?
[11:55] <Fujitsu> You're meant to use dput, not just upload them to the FTP server, as far as I know.
[11:56] <bersace> yep
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> It was rejected for some reason.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Have you added yourself to ubuntu-universe-contributors on Launchpad?
[11:57] <bersace> yep
[11:57] <Fujitsu> When did you do so?
[11:57] <bersace> yesterday
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Have you requested that the REVU keyring be synced since then?
[12:21] <bersace> so back from lunch
[12:22] <bersace> Fujitsu: How to request the sync ?
[12:23] <imbrandon> you ask a revu admin ( listed in the wiki in the topic )
[12:23] <bersace> ok
[12:23] <kagou> i was able to upload  with dput 4min after my acceptation on ubuntu-universe-contributors team
[12:24] <bersace> kagou:  !!!!!
[12:24] <kagou> after for the password ... you have to find an admin :)
[12:24] <kagou> bersace,  :)
[12:24] <imbrandon> bersace, would be nice to register your nick on irc too so i dont get <not identified> infront of all your messages ;)
[12:24] <imbrandon> not a requirement though, just a personal request ;)
[12:25] <kagou> Fujitsu, if you can have a look at my last upload (just an upgrade) : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3066
[12:25] <bersace> imbrandon: ?
[12:25] <bersace> i'm registered !
[12:25] <bersace> with nickserv
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:24]  <kagou> bersace,  :)
[12:25] <Fujitsu> kagou, why?
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:24]  <imbrandon> bersace, would be nice to register your nick on irc too so i dont get <not identified> infront of all your messages ;)
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:24]  <imbrandon> not a requirement though, just a personal request ;)
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:25]  <kagou> Fujitsu, if you can have a look at my last upload (just an upgrade) : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3066
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:25]  <bersace> <not identified> : imbrandon: ?
[12:25] <imbrandon> [05:25]  <bersace> <not identified> : i'm registered !
[12:26] <imbrandon> [05:25]  <bersace> <not identified> : with nickserv
[12:26] <bersace> :(
[12:26] <imbrandon> you might not be identified then
[12:26] <imbrandon>  /quote nickserv identify <password>
[12:26] <bersace> right
[12:26] <bersace> this is due to the renaming :(
[12:26] <kagou> Fujitsu, for advocate
[12:27] <kagou> and upload :)
[12:27] <bersace> good ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> kagou, Fujitsu isnt a MOTU ;)
[12:27] <imbrandon> ( yet )
[12:27] <imbrandon> s/yet/big\ yet/g
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Yeah, yet...
[12:27] <kagou> imbrandon, oups, =)
[12:28] <imbrandon> kagou, gimme the url i can though ;)
[12:28] <kagou> imbrandon, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3066
[12:28] <Fujitsu> By `Big yet' you mean `a long way to go', I presume...
[12:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, no i mean its definately gonna happen, just a matter of time
[12:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Yeah, a fair bit of time :P
[12:30] <Fujitsu> I've not done a whole lot yet... Just ~50 merges/syncs, two package bug fixes, and not-quite one new package from REVU. A fair way to go before I'd be considered, I think :P
[12:31] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, look at my +packages and your +packages , pretty similar ;)
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, but yours are probably not all merges/syncs.
[12:31] <imbrandon> all depends on what your know and our goals and stuff ;)
[12:31] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, about 1/2 are merges heh
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Yeah, > 90% of mine are merges.
[12:32] <imbrandon> i only actively maintain/bugfix about 5 packages
[12:32] <imbrandon> its not the quanity , its the quality ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> and merges are important to seeing as there are a few thousand to do every ~6 months ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> s/to/also
[12:33] <Fujitsu> I guess, yes.
[12:36] <imbrandon> kagou, looks good , i'll upload in a sec and mark it on revu
[12:41] <bersace> Fujitsu: i don't understand the process for being uploader
[12:41] <bersace> i joined the team and uploaded a package
[12:41] <imbrandon> kagou, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005357.html
[12:41] <bersace> which does not seems to be rejected (only an old version is rejected)
[12:41] <bersace> is my review account created ? how to recover my password
[12:42] <bersace> what is an Elgamal key ?
[12:42] <Fujitsu> bersace, part of your GPG key.
[12:43] <kagou> imbrandon, thanks :)
[12:47] <phanatic> afternoon
[12:49] <bersace> Fujitsu: i have a GPG key in the launchpad account, is it sufficient ?
[12:55] <Fujitsu> bersace, if the REVU keyring has been synced.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Evening, phanatic.
[12:56] <phanatic> hey Fujitsu, congrats for your membership :)
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Thanks phanatic :)
[12:56] <bersace> zakame: how to add my GPG key to the REVU keyring ?
[12:57] <Fujitsu> bersace, request a REVU Admin to sync it.
[12:58] <bersace> any REVU Admin here ?
[12:59] <Fujitsu> bersace, these people here:
[12:59] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers
[12:59] <bersace> howto make a requests ?
[01:00] <Fujitsu> Just ask one of them when they're here.
[01:01] <bersace> ajmitch: hello, can you sync the REVU keyring ?
[01:01] <bersace> or siretart ?
[01:29] <neutrinomass> bug 59637 - this is a bug, right ?
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59637 in oleo "Failed build-deps" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59637
[01:31] <Adri2000> is it possible to see the list of the revu keyring ? to know which gpg key is accepted for upload
[01:31] <AnAnt> can someone have a look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2984 , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3005  and  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2573
[01:46] <fbond> If there are any revu-ers here, midisport-firmware has been all-but-uploaded, before one final tweak was made
[01:47] <fbond> I've been waiting for crimsun to look that tweak over, but it may have been forgotten
[01:47] <fbond> Can I get a few people to take a quick look?
[02:07] <Fujitsu> Evening, Hobbsee.
[02:07] <Fujitsu> I've fixed up convertall, and have one advocate...
[02:07] <Fujitsu> If you have time, can you have another look?
[02:08] <tseng> Hobbsee: good morning
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hey tseng
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: tseng will do it, i'm sure :P
[02:09] <tseng> i doubt it
[02:09] <Fujitsu> OK, tseng, can you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3064?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> tseng: whyever not?
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Thanks for dobbing him in, Hobbsee :P
[02:09] <imbrandon> fbond, give me a url , i'll have a look
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not a problem
[02:09] <tseng> for one
[02:09] <tseng> the website is broken
[02:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: wants to do it too
[02:09] <tseng> python backtrace
[02:09] <tseng> ah
[02:09] <Hobbsee> tseng: -?
[02:09] <tseng> right
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Which website?
[02:09] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i already did Fujitsu
[02:10] <imbrandon> i was the first +1
[02:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:10] <tseng> can i finally recover my password on here now?
[02:10] <tseng> is the other thing
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right
[02:10] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> tseng: you should be able to
[02:10] <Fujitsu> tseng, I was able to recover mine earlier today.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[02:10] <Fujitsu> Hey, TheMuso.
[02:10] <tseng> they gave me an entirely ass password
[02:10] <tseng> and i cant change it
[02:10] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[02:11] <imbrandon> tseng, yea i wish it used the LP credentials, it would be nice
[02:11] <Fujitsu> It would be really nice :(
[02:11] <imbrandon> would probably get alot more use too
[02:11] <tseng> phew, logged in
[02:12] <tseng> "Universal unit converter" is a pretty weird short description
[02:13] <tseng> doesnt even tell me its a python lib
[02:13] <Fujitsu> It isn't a Python lib.
[02:13] <tseng> oh, python app?
[02:13] <tseng> got it
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[02:13] <tseng> I guess thats ok
[02:14] <tseng> fyi i am not build testing this if someone else credible already did (imbrandon)
[02:14] <geser> I looked at the gftp merge
[02:14] <tseng> just looking at the diff
[02:14] <geser> does somebody know where the po/* changes come from?
[02:14] <imbrandon> tseng, yea i built it a few hours ago
[02:15] <tseng> if it builds clean the diff looks reasonable to me
[02:15] <tseng> done
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Yay! Thanks imbrandon, tseng, Hobbsee :)
[02:26] <Fujitsu> So, now I just wait for someone to upload it?
[02:27] <tseng> sure
[02:27] <tseng> Hobbsee would love to
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.,
[02:27] <Hobbsee> would i now?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> i'd have to upload it from imbrandon's machine
[02:27] <Hobbsee> but why not..
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: link?
[02:28] <Fujitsu> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3064
[02:28] <geser> does somebody know where MoM gets the updates for the po/* files?
[02:28] <tseng> erm
[02:28] <tseng> from where, exactly?
[02:28] <tseng> (not really)
[02:28] <tseng> (it merges debian + ubuntu changes)
[02:29] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: WHy use imbrandon's machine to upload?
[02:29] <tseng> unless someone did something boggling I dont know about
[02:29] <tseng> TheMuso: KDE sucked down all her available resources
[02:29] <Fujitsu> tseng, haha.
[02:29] <TheMuso> heh
[02:29] <TheMuso> c
[02:29] <geser> I used grab-merge to get the files for gftp
[02:30] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[02:30] <imbrandon> no KDE Blasphmey in here tseng ;)
[02:30] <tseng> I am not scared of Hobbsee
[02:30] <StevenK> tseng: You ought to be
[02:30] <Hobbsee> tseng: i yell pretty loudly
[02:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:30] <imbrandon> heya StevenK
[02:30] <tseng> Hobbsee: ..I listen to Converge
[02:30] <tseng> Hobbsee: comeon
[02:30] <geser> and there is a 4.3 MB patch, but the several diff.gz are all nearly the same size
[02:31] <Fujitsu> geser, that's normal.
[02:31] <Fujitsu> geser, all the differences are from either Debian or Ubuntu packages.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> geser: probably means that it's wrong.
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Aw...
[02:31] <StevenK> And this is mace, as the spiky ball on a chain, not the wimpy spray
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Poor Konqui...
[02:31] <TheMuso> Hey StevenK.
[02:32] <TheMuso> Get the kernel/speakup stuff sorted?
[02:32] <geser> what should happen to the happen to these changes? can I ignore them?
[02:32] <StevenK> TheMuso: I wish
[02:32] <Fujitsu> geser, you need to work that out.
[02:33] <geser> the ubuntu1.patch for the former version is only 1.7K
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: thanks :)
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Wh..wh... Why are you thanking me? I should be thanking you!
[02:35] <imbrandon> geser, thats not something you can realy judge from the patch sizes, you need to go over the changelogs and debain/patches of them and "merge" the two packages ;)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because you did the work
[02:36] <Fujitsu> And you made comments which allowed me to get it up to scratch, and then (hopefully) uploaded it for me.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> So thanks :)
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Ooh.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> I can see it on LP...
[02:37] <fbond> imbrandon, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063
[02:37] <Hobbsee> true that
[02:40] <StevenK> Blasted thing.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> What was up with it?
[02:40] <geser> imbrandon: what are patch files downloaded by grab-merge.sh?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> geser: they say in the REPORT
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it was being highly painful
[02:41] <Fujitsu> A lot of packages do that.
[02:41] <imbrandon> fbond, done
[02:41] <Hobbsee> not like that though.
[02:42] <imbrandon> ge its says in the REPORT
[02:42] <imbrandon> geser, even
[02:42] <StevenK> Fujitsu: An evil merge to begin with, and then it FTBFS on top of it
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Ah! Fun.
[02:42] <StevenK> Hobbsee should know, she watched me do most of the work in person.
[02:43] <geser> I ask because I still don't understand where the po changes come from
[02:43] <Hobbsee> indeed
[02:43] <Hobbsee> that was a fun night
[02:43] <geser> the changes between the two debian version doesn't contain them
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Silly people living near other devs... :(
[02:44] <neutrinomass> geser: Quick fix on oleo ;)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: means i can get my key easily signed :)
[02:44] <Fujitsu> Granted, I'm not far from a Canonical employee...
[02:44] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Hah, I work with a DD, with another four close by
[02:44] <Hobbsee> geser: i've just been taking the .po files out of the diff, and applying the ubuntu diff on the debian source.  which would axe ubuntu's .po file changes, i guess
[02:44] <Fujitsu> StevenK, aren't you a DD?
[02:44] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Yup
[02:45] <tseng> Fujitsu: he's a faker
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I've wondered that.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> the great StevenK will tell us.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: he tries to pretend that he isnt
[02:45] <StevenK> It usually works
[02:45] <StevenK> Until some bozo dobs me in
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, ah... But I'd seen his name elsewhere :P
[02:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hehe.  it never works.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> So yes, I really must see Mr. Conrad at some point in the near future.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true that
[02:46] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Ah, Melbourne?
[02:46] <tseng> Fujitsu: Mr. Conrad doesnt go out in the sun
[02:46] <StevenK> tseng: s/ in the sun//
[02:46] <tseng> without a silly hat anyway
[02:47] <Hobbsee> tseng: the outside is scary.  he is wise not to.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> a silly hat?
[02:47] <TheMuso> The outside is fun. Why would you stay inside? :)
[02:47] <tseng> Hobbsee: ive never seen him w/o a hat
[02:47] <tseng> inside or out
[02:47] <StevenK> What do you expect from a Candian?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: remember that thing called rain?
[02:47] <TheMuso> But I can't be sure of that.
[02:47] <tseng> http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/ubuntu-down-under/ubuntu-down-under-005_screen.jpg
[02:47] <tseng> here's the hat
[02:47] <StevenK> He's probably heard that the Australian sun can burn through walls.
[02:48] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its not always around you know.
[02:48] <tseng> and a dashing Mithrandir
[02:48] <Hobbsee> piont
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:48] <StevenK> Is that a like a point?
[02:48] <StevenK> Maybe one that isn't so pointy
[02:48] <StevenK> s/a \(like\)/\1/
[02:49] <TheMuso> That thing only has 8 dots per cell rendering. No luck there.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hehe.  indeed.
[02:51] <StevenK> Damn!
[02:51] <StevenK> Stop noticing!
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <TheMuso>  /c
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i've been reminded.  i must yell at you.
[02:51] <StevenK> I will usually take the latest Debian version and diff the merged version that MoM spat out.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> StevenK: right
[02:53] <StevenK> If that diff is empty or mostly empty, I chuck it, else it gets merged in.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Have I gone deaf? :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no, i just had to find the bug report.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Oh, gaphor?
[02:54] <StevenK> Muaha, he even knows
[02:54] <Fujitsu> I do.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: nice :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's the one :P
[02:55] <Fujitsu> Thanks, StevenK.
[02:56] <imbrandon> [07:54]  <Fujitsu> Oh, gaphor? <-- zomg , classic
[02:56] <Fujitsu> How's that classic?
[02:56] <imbrandon> becosue you knew what one it was
[02:56] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[02:56] <imbrandon> nvm
[02:56] <Fujitsu> It's the only one I've done something really wrong on lately.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, based on the fact that i commented on it when i found out about it yesterday...
[02:57] <Fujitsu> I remember that bug comment well.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hey now, that was the toned down versoin
[02:57] <Hobbsee> s/versoin/version/g
[02:57] <Fujitsu> How encouraging.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:58] <StevenK> Which bug is it?
[02:58] <StevenK> C'mon, share!
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bug 59273
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59273 in gaphor "Please sync gaphor 0.8.1-4 from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59273
[02:59] <Fujitsu> yeah, that one.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> my other response was better :P
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Which response?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> to the "please sync ndiswrapper" one
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> no, wait, to the "please sync/merge gftp"
[02:59] <Fujitsu> `Please sync/merge'!? Great...
[02:59] <Hobbsee> it's all subscribed to ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:00] <Hobbsee> "no, we dont do the work for you, go away"
[03:00] <StevenK> Oh, yeah, I remember that mail
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i think i was in an annoyed mood last night :P
[03:01] <StevenK> Hah
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Well, that yelling at wasn't as bad as I expected :)
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Please keep up the bring-up-the-mistake-in-front-of-everybody idea... It's a very effective deterrent from making mistakes :P
[03:03] <imbrandon> lol
[03:04] <fbond> imbrandon, thanks
[03:04] <StevenK> Fujitsu: For your second mistake, Hobbsee impales you with her sharp pointy stick of doom
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe.
[03:05] <Fujitsu> Even better, StevenK :)
[03:05] <fbond> anyone else want to have a look at midisport-firmware so we can get it approved?
[03:05] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3063
[03:05] <fbond> just need one more!
[03:06] <TheMuso> Is it possible for anybody to view the new queue?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: sure.
[03:06] <StevenK> Oww! That really hurts
[03:06] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Whats the URL?
[03:06] <Fujitsu> StevenK's a DD! You can't hurt him! He's holy! (and no, not because you poked a hole through him with your stick, Hobbsee!)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[03:06] <Hobbsee> was just grabbing it
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe.  sure i can.
[03:07] <TheMuso> Cheers.
 nm, i cant reason with yall. but im right
 s/right/wrong/
[03:07] <TheMuso> s/wit/with/
[03:07] <Fujitsu> What? You don't need the power of the matrix, StevenK! The power of Debian should work fine.
[03:07] <imbrandon> s/debian/ubuntu
[03:07] <StevenK> Not at the moment.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Titanium, ey?
[03:08] <TheMuso> That was just window dressing.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> As per normal...
[03:09] <Fujitsu> But a long one!?
[03:09] <Fujitsu> Since when have you had one of those?
[03:09] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: All an illusion my dear. WHat you actually broke was your own arm.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: of course.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heh.  i surely didnt do that.
[03:09] <imbrandon> you think thats air your breathing ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:09] <StevenK> imbrandon: you're, dear
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Thanks, StevenK!
[03:10] <Fujitsu> But that's my job.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you're dead.  YOU CANNOT PRETEND TO BE ALIVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD!  NOW STAY DEAD!
[03:10] <TheMuso> While the cane appeared to break, it actually projected an illusion of the break, while a very sharp blade neatly sliced through your arm, without you noticing.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[03:11] <Kyral> HOBBSEE!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: point.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> KYRAL!
[03:11] <Kyral> Heheh I think I started a KDE subdivision in the Clarkson Open Source Institute
[03:11] <TheMuso> So Hobbsee. You still haven't eliminated one of the threats. A word of advice. Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them
[03:11] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: arms are overrated anyway.  so are fingers.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: the threats?  who's threatening me now?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> no more cane.
[03:12] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: If you had to use those fingers to read, you would not say that so quickly.
[03:12] <Fujitsu> StevenK, nice.
[03:12] <StevenK> Hobbsee: That ^ works much better
[03:12] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hehe, indeed
[03:12] <TheMuso> Ah. But I can still see what is displayed on the screen.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: point.
[03:13] <TheMuso> Still got that.
[03:14] <TheMuso> I win!
[03:14] <Fujitsu> (and any spares)
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Ah, but is it a Sony battery?
[03:14] <Kyral> cat /dev/null > {TheMuso, Fujitsu}
[03:14] <Kyral> I win
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Kyral: nice.
[03:15] <Fujitsu> I do deserve being nullified, yes...
[03:15] <Kyral> ...
[03:15] <Kyral> *TWITCH*
[03:15] <Kyral> You seem to misunderstand the situation
[03:16] <Kyral> I didn't get sleep last night due to frats
[03:16] <Kyral> You wanna know how close to BOFH mode I am? :P
[03:16] <StevenK> This should help
[03:16] <Kyral> Fuck caddle prod
[03:16] <Fujitsu> Please, use it on me. I deserve it!
[03:17] <StevenK> Pfft
[03:17] <tseng> settle down folks
[03:17] <StevenK> I prefer technology that exists
[03:17] <Kyral> Fujitsu:  we don't need to know about your fettishes
[03:17] <Fujitsu> ... or not.
[03:17] <TheMuso> Disguised as a cane.
[03:17] <StevenK> TheMuso: A lightsaber wouldn't work too well as cane.
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Sure it would.
[03:18] <Fujitsu> It'd cut through any obstacles :P
[03:18] <TheMuso> StevenK: You didn't pay much attention to my illusions before did you.
[03:18] <StevenK> But it wouldn't tell you were the damn obstacles were.
[03:18] <StevenK> TheMuso: As a DD, I am immune to illusions
[03:18] <TheMuso> Ah. But I have other sences for that.
[03:19] <TheMuso> So. The all-powerful dd will help you now will it?
[03:19] <TheMuso> We'll see about that.
[03:19] <StevenK> dd if=/dev/zero of=TheMuso
[03:19] <StevenK> Oh wait
[03:19] <StevenK> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=TheMuso
[03:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:20] <TheMuso> TheMuso: input/output error
[03:20] <StevenK> TheMuso: Bored now.
[03:20] <TheMuso> flay?
[03:21] <StevenK> (Yay! A Buffy joke)
[03:21] <TheMuso> pfft
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, everybody.
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Thanks Hobbsee :)
[03:21] <StevenK>   flay
[03:21] <StevenK>        v : strip the skin off
[03:22] <TheMuso> Oh really. Do you think that this bulk only has one layer of skin? Try again.
[03:22] <TheMuso> Give up guys. You can't kill me.
[03:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: I'd really be able to do that.
[03:23] <StevenK> Oh well
[03:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: remember that balcony, from SLUG?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> how'd you like to try falling off there?  :P
[03:24] <Hobbsee> that would kill you
[03:24] <TheMuso> Which balcony?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> the lifts are out of order.  so are the stairs.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: the one outside the room about webbrowsers
[03:24] <TheMuso> oh that one.
[03:24] <StevenK> The Sluglets room
[03:25] <TheMuso> Yes of course I would suffer fatal injuries from that. But I am referring to my alter ego me.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:25] <Hobbsee> well, we'd start with the first, adn then work on hte second.
[03:25] <ctd> THAT DEATH WILL COST $607
[03:25] <StevenK> ctd: Well worth it
[03:25] <ctd> PLEASE PAY TO UTS ROOM HIRE
[03:25] <TheMuso> heh
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ctd: heh.  you reside here too, do you?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ctd: found another place yet?
[03:26] <StevenK> The last death I had to pay for cost more than $607 :-P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <ctd> is there a place I don't reside? >_>
[03:26] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Yeah, his lounge room,
[03:26] <StevenK> s/\,//
[03:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and the body is hidden under your cellar?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: oh nice.
[03:26] <TheMuso> Remind me never to go near Blacktown area again.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> s/under/in/
[03:26] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: quite smart, you probably shouldnt be there anyway
[03:26] <TheMuso> I wondered what I was smelling all those years I went to that area.
[03:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hmph
[03:27] <ctd> TheMuso: never go near blacktown area again
[03:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: :P
[03:27] <thom> what is this, invasion of the aussies?
[03:27] <TheMuso> I certainly won't now
[03:27] <tseng> good morning thom
[03:27] <TheMuso> thom: And proud of it!
[03:27] <tseng> you've entered the AOL quasi-mud room
[03:27] <Hobbsee> thom: indeed.  WE WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:27] <tseng> i told them a bit ago to chill out
[03:27] <tseng> to no effect
[03:27] <ctd> WE'RE IN YOUR CHANNELS. DISCUSSING OUR SUBURBS.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> tseng: no absolutely none.
[03:28] <imbrandon> ok i'm off for the night, yall might think about ##offtopic
[03:28] <thom> Hobbsee: by working at all the bars? riiiight
[03:28] <imbrandon> gnight all
[03:28] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon
[03:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: surely not.
[03:28] <thom> tseng: hey dude
[03:28] <Hobbsee> thom: working at a bar would be scary.
[03:29] <thom> Hobbsee: you're australian. it'll happen to you soon enough. probably in london
[03:29] <Hobbsee> thom: id' be drinking, or sitting around talking.  not working there.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> thom: why  london?
[03:29] <thom> Hobbsee: because i think about 75% of australia is working in bars in london
[03:30] <StevenK> Every bar in London seems to be staffed by Aussie backpackers
[03:30] <Hobbsee> thom: ah riht.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> *right
[04:12] <Hobbsee> geser: for libmysqlclient15-dev, you can just depend on that, you dont need to depend on libmysqlclient15-dev | libmysqlclient-dev, seeing as the latter doesnt exist
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[04:18] <Hobbsee> last i knew, anyway :P
[04:19] <Arbiter> heya Hobbsee
[04:19] <Arbiter> :)
[04:19] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: knowit was uploaded \o/
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yay :)  i saw it in NEW
[04:19] <Arbiter> and, this morning, i've translated the UWN 12 :)
[04:20] <Arbiter> and now i'm recompiling emacs-cvs :P
[04:21] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: how are you? ;)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: i'm okay :)
[04:45] <pef> hello
[04:45] <Adri2000> 'lo
[05:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:30] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[05:31] <bddebian> Hi phanatic
[05:39] <geser> Hobbsee: libmysqlclient-dev is a virtual package and apt-cache search lists libmysqlclient{10,12,15}-dev as providing them
[05:39] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show libmysqlclient-dev
[05:39] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$
[05:39] <geser> apt-cache search libmysqlclient-dev
[05:40] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% apt-cache show libmysqlclient15-dev | grep Prov
[05:40] <StevenK> Provides: libmysqlclient-dev
[05:40] <Hobbsee> true.  i believe we hard code the libmysqlclient15-dev packages.  we have in the past,anyway
[05:43] <Sp4rKy> please how could i regenerate a debian/ when i've only orig tarball + .dsc ?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Sp4rKy: dpkg-source -x the .dsc as usual
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> thx
[06:21] <Amaranth> anyone know why mozilla depends on dpkg?
[06:22] <thom> Amaranth: presumably to ensure that it has a specific feature introduced in the version of dpkg it depends on
[06:22] <thom> Amaranth: hence a virsioned dep
[06:22] <thom> s/vir/ver
[06:32] <Adri2000> how can i be sure that i can upload to revu ? i don't know if my gpg key has been added
[06:45] <Adri2000> ping ajmitch raphink siretart : can you tell me if my gpg key is accepted for revu and if not, sync ubuntu-universe-contributors and revu please
[06:45] <fbond> Adri2000, have you tried uploading anything?
[06:46] <Adri2000> not yet
[06:46] <fbond> I suggest not worrying about the key until you actually have a problem uploading.
[06:46] <fbond> It would be easier to debug.
[06:47] <fbond> The password recovery feature of revu does not always work properly (I understand a newer version of the software is on its way ...), so that is not a good indicator of your key status
[06:51] <Adri2000> i understand that i will receive the password when i will have uploaded a package, so it's not the problem. but i don't want to upload the package if it is rejected because my gpg is not yet authorized :-)
[07:19] <tseng> StevenK: ok to force upgrade of ggi?
[07:20] <tseng> The following packages will be REMOVED: libgii0 libgii0-target-x
[07:20] <tseng> looks ok to me
[07:20] <tseng> yeah
 New bug: #59663 in libgpod (main) "Please build without gdk-pixbuf/gtk" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59663
[07:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59663 in libgpod "Please build without gdk-pixbuf/gtk" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[07:36] <ash211> Is this in the MOTU domain?
[07:38] <ivoks> nope
[07:39] <ivoks> libgpod0 is in main
[07:39] <ash211> should it be changed in debian or ubuntu?
[07:39] <ash211> (if it should be changed at all)
[07:39] <ivoks> bug is reported
[07:39] <ivoks> someone will take a look at it
[07:39] <ash211> ok, thanks
[07:42] <ivoks> hm... this is needed for amarok?
[07:43] <ash211> for amarok to interact w/ ipods
[07:43] <ivoks> right
[07:44] <ivoks> hm... why does it need gtk in the first place? :)
[07:44] <ash211> i'm not quite sure
[07:44] <ash211> that's the comment I left on the bug page
[07:48] <ivoks> that's topic for main developers
[07:48] <ivoks> it should be splited to -gtk and -nogtk version, if gtk is really needed for something
[07:49] <ivoks> i don't see why amarok should depend on gtk :/
[07:50] <ash211> me neither
[07:50] <ash211> but that's the way it's done in debian too
[08:31] <AnAnt> anyone here ?
[08:34] <lotusleaf> o_o
[08:36] <AnAnt> may someone have a look at those uploads: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3005 , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2984  and  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2573
[09:43] <Adri2000> problem when trying to dput to revu :
[09:43] <Adri2000> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[09:43] <Adri2000> gpg: the signature could not be verified.
[09:45] <Adri2000> Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) should be the first file given on the command line.
[09:46] <Adri2000> i don't have any .sig or .asc, and the wiki says to give the .changes
[09:51] <crimsun> you would dput foo_source.changes, yes
[09:51] <crimsun> the dsc and _source.changes must be signed using your gpg key
[09:53] <thom> Adri2000: install devscripts and use debsign
[09:56] <Adri2000> ok
[10:00] <Adri2000> hmm, i'm not sure to understand everything. what should i dput ? files which are in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ or thoses in the directory where i created the package ?
[10:01] <crimsun> the source package in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ should match what's in $(pwd)/..
[10:03] <Adri2000> the .deb is in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ but not in ~/packaging/djplay/, files in /var/... are not signed but they are in ~/packaging/...
[10:03] <Adri2000> (because debuild signed them with debsign)
[10:03] <crimsun> yes, the [binary package]  deb doesn't matter
[10:04] <crimsun> you can only upload source packages to revu, e.g., orig.tar.gz+dsc+diff.gz+_source.changes
[10:05] <crimsun> you must build with -S -sa, in other words
[10:05] <Adri2000> ah ok, the .deb will be created by the motu who will upload the package to archive.ubuntu.com ?
[10:05] <Adri2000> yes, i use -S -sa
[10:05] <crimsun> no
[10:06] <crimsun> we only upload source packages to a staging area; the publisher will pick up the source packages and toss them to the buildds that will generate the binary debs
[10:08] <Adri2000> ok
[10:10] <Adri2000> Successfully uploaded packages. :-)
[10:12] <Adri2000> crimsun: my package is in incoming, what's next ?
[10:12] <ajmitch> morning
[10:12] <crimsun> moins, ajmitch
[10:13] <crimsun> Adri2000: you sit tight
[10:13] <Adri2000> it must be accepted by a revu admin ?
[10:35] <Adri2000> my package is now on the revu page, good :)
[10:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[10:58] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[10:58] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, what's shakin?
[10:59] <ajmitch> nothing