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LaserJockhi Amaranth 01:13
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edgarin__Hi to all09:30
edgarin__some people with LTSP?09:30
Burgundaviaedgarin__: it what way?09:36
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cbx33ping Seveas12:09
Seveaspong cbx33 12:10
cbx33Seveas I've been trying to get a working usplash,kwwii told me that it's broken at the mo12:10
Seveaswhat is broken? usplash itself or your theme?12:11
cbx33I havnt made a theme12:11
cbx33I was trying to view the new edgy theme12:11
cbx33but i just get the test screen12:11
ogracbx33, i have a working one here but the graphics are pretty ugly (didnt put any time into it, just dropped the logo on a black background and indexed that)12:11
ogramy prob is that the usplash theme creation in all packages we have uses a hardcoded Makefile instead of an automake generated one ...12:12
ograedubuntu artwork uses automake ...12:12
ogradunno who decided such a sillyness ...12:13
cbx33oh12:14
cbx33hmmm12:14
cbx33ok...12:14
cbx33where is teh position of the progress bar set etc?12:14
ograi need to put some time into rewriting the Makefile.am12:14
cbx33and is there a screen shot of the new edgy one?12:15
ograin the .c file 12:15
cbx33ah right12:15
cbx33I just want to make sure ours fits the theme12:15
ograi just grabbed the kde one and replaced the pngs12:15
cbx33if you know what I mean ;)12:15
cbx33right ok12:15
ograit needs color adjustments, but works fine that way12:15
cbx33ok cool12:15
cbx33is that12:16
cbx33kde-artwork-usplash ?12:16
ograyou can then just run make in the dir and it creates the theme file12:16
ograyep12:16
cbx33ogra, dude, you gonna be available today?12:16
ograbtw, i'm using your wallpaper since friday12:16
cbx33;)12:16
cbx33nice?12:16
ograwe should drop the stripes ...12:16
cbx33you think?12:16
ograand make the logo wy less prominent 12:16
ogra*way12:16
cbx33ok12:16
cbx33I'll change now and show you12:17
ogramake it smaller, move it to the right and add a bit transparency or something, so it doesnt stick so much in your face12:17
ograalso the color makes it hard to read icon captions ...12:17
ograthey somehow disappera in the background ...12:18
cbx33hmm12:18
cbx33ok12:18
cbx33I'll pastelise it a little12:19
ograbut i like the text and molecules ... we should add a bit more organic stuff 12:19
cbx33yeh i thought that12:19
cbx33got anything in mind12:19
ogrado you know these drawing in botanic books ? 12:19
ogralike a pencil drawing of a butterfly slightly faded or something like that12:20
cbx33hmmm12:20
cbx33yes I know what you mean12:20
cbx33off you go then....ogra you can draw the butterfly ;)12:20
ograi thought about just grabbing a photo and potrace that 12:20
ogramight also be a flower ...12:20
ograsomething living ...12:21
cbx33www.progbox.co.uk/edu-art/12:21
cbx33number 3 ?12:22
ograa lot better 12:22
cbx33ok12:22
cbx33I'll get a pic of a flower and trace it12:22
ograremember that we need some space at the bottom for the panel12:22
cbx33yes12:22
cbx33I'll putt it up a little later 12:22
cbx33s/putt/pull12:22
ograso the logo should move up some px12:22
ograright12:22
cbx33um12:22
cbx33can I ask you about the manga one12:22
ograsure12:23
cbx33what did you want changed ;)12:23
ograwell, no idea12:23
cbx33heheh12:23
ogramight be fine as is12:23
cbx33are we ok to use for now?12:23
cbx33we can tweak later for sure12:23
ograsure12:23
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cbx33does our usplash have to follow the same format as the others?12:23
cbx33sorry12:23
ograand its still the alternate one, so we have more freedom here12:23
cbx33not usplash12:23
cbx33gdm splash12:24
ogradunno, i havent seen the others :)12:24
cbx33hehe12:24
cbx33the other thing was....ubuntu, not sure about klubuntu has had its log redrawn12:24
cbx33logo12:24
cbx33http://silentkeystroke.deviantart.com/gallery/12:25
ogralest stick with the logo as is ...12:25
cbx33http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/5751652/?qo=61&q=by%3Asilentkeystroke+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps12:25
ograwe could probably revive the http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/gnome-splash.png splash12:25
cbx33may trace some of that one ;)12:25
ograit would fit with your color selection12:25
cbx33yes12:25
ograthe flower looks nice ... but seems very complex to trace ...12:26
cbx33well12:26
cbx33I was gonna cheat a little12:26
cbx33get photoshop to trace it12:26
cbx33;)12:26
cbx33oooh looks good12:27
cbx33hang on I'll incorporate12:27
ograi could get you a ton of this kind: http://www.tragwerk.org/kunstsyn/GALERIEN/7_FOTO/BIG/13.jpg12:28
ogralooks good sounds good :)12:29
cbx33I'll show you in a tick12:29
cbx33how long are you around for today dude ;)12:29
ograonly from time to time 12:29
ograi have to do some stuff on the house ...12:29
cbx33ok12:31
cbx33so12:31
cbx33can I just clarify a few things12:32
cbx33before you go12:32
cbx33young wallpaper, sorted for now12:32
cbx33higher ed wallpaper, I'm just making a lst change to12:32
cbx33ogra check out number 4 on that page12:33
cbx33did you like the splash images lisa did...on the wiki?12:33
cbx33we shall work on the gdm login screen12:33
cbx33and usplash12:33
ograyep, i liked them12:34
cbx33so are we good to work around them?12:34
cbx33any comments suggestions ?12:34
ograyup, i think so ...12:34
ograloo up the meeting log where we did the voting ...12:34
ogra*look12:34
cbx33ok12:35
ograthe flower looks beautiful12:35
cbx33;) thanks12:35
ograbut i dont like the position ...12:35
cbx33ok12:35
ograthe pic gets too much weight to the bottom left12:35
cbx33suggest ;)12:35
ogradunno ... top and right art quite empty ...12:36
ograprobably just move all the stuff a bit up and right suffices12:36
cbx33ok12:36
cbx33if the photo idea for gdm login doesn't work12:36
cbx33we'll try something else...12:36
cbx33did you have any speficic ideas for that and usplash?12:37
cbx33ogra the kbuntu one you referenced earlier12:38
cbx33is it just the blue kubuntu and blue throbber?12:38
cbx33not much else on the page? - all black?12:38
ograright12:39
cbx33did you want us to follow that12:39
cbx33or be a little more inventive?12:39
cbx33like not a black screen ;)12:40
cbx33what do you tink?12:41
ograwell, all we have is golden/yellow ... if you have a nice idea that fits 256 cols and looks slick ....12:41
cbx33ok12:41
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu-splash.so thats the quick and dirty one i made 12:43
cbx33ok12:43
cbx33ogra did you like the gdm login screens we did already?12:43
ograyes, but its not about me :)12:46
cbx33i know12:46
cbx33but if you're happy it means we can run with it as a prelim12:46
cbx33right ;)12:46
ograas a prelim i'D just pick a random one blindly from the wiki :P12:49
cbx33heh12:49
cbx33oi :012:49
ograif you plan to use the wallpaper drawings in gdm, could you send me a cropped version without wallpaper background ? i can try to make that work in ldm with a solid background color 12:53
cbx33ok sure12:54
cbx33we can use a png in ldm can't we?12:55
ograyep12:55
ograwith transparency12:55
ograbut it has to be as small as possible12:55
cbx33hehe12:55
cbx33i gathered that12:55
ograldm is slow enoug on its own ... big pics will slow it down more12:55
cbx33that's what I was goign to say ;)12:55
cbx33well, I hope to have all the prelim artowkr done by late this afternoon12:56
cbx33I'll probably create a deb so I can test it out12:56
ogracool12:56
ograyup12:56
cbx33I was going to take the one already there, hack it up and replace images then build12:56
cbx33do i need to build a source pacakge and then the proper package for artwork ;)12:57
cbx33excuse my ignorance here ;)12:57
ograyes12:58
cbx33ogra what new icons did we need to create01:06
cbx33willow01:06
cbx33SCP ?01:07
ograSCP has one 01:08
ograwe should drop the header image in edgy+1 and think about a sane menu or toolbar ...01:08
cbx33yes01:09
ograwillow needs one, but thats easy01:09
cbx33that sounds like einen gut idea01:09
cbx33lisa is gonna do one01:09
ogratake a globe and put a lock on the bottom right corner01:09
cbx33any others?01:09
ogra(or something like that)01:09
ogranot from the top of my head01:09
cbx33ogra to build the usplash what did you say to do...01:09
ograbut if there are icons missing, thats a bug, we still have until release to fix bugs ;)01:10
ograrun make in the dir where the pngs lie01:10
cbx33ograsure01:10
cbx33so I get the edubuntu-artwork-usplash ?01:10
ograand replace all occurences of kubuntu with edubuntu in the MAkefile01:10
cbx33ah01:10
ogra(and the .c files)01:10
cbx33doesn't the edubuntu-uplash build yet?01:11
ogra??01:13
cbx33sorry01:13
cbx33I have all the images now01:13
cbx33did you say get the kubuntu package and build the .so01:13
ograthats what i did01:13
ograand i replaced the pngs ... nothing else 01:14
cbx33where do i place that file to test it?01:14
ograthat gives you a blue progress bar though01:14
cbx33i have new throbber pngs ;)01:14
ogralook at /etc/alternatives/uspash-artwork.so01:14
cbx33ok cool01:14
cbx33thanks01:14
ograthat wont help, you need the right hex codes for the colors in the .c file01:14
cbx33oh, i thought Dennis said we use images now01:15
cbx33theres the fore and background01:15
ograi have red progressbars as well, but the make turns them blue ... :)01:15
cbx33oh01:15
cbx33:(01:15
cbx33how odd01:15
ograno, the colors are defined in hex codes in the .c file01:15
cbx33so what are the pngs for?01:15
ograthey need to be adjusted to match ours01:15
ograthe shape i think01:15
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TeePOGgood morning01:17
cbx33where does pngtousplash come from?01:18
cbx33hi TeePOG01:18
ogracbx33, usplash-dev01:19
TeePOGhi cbx3301:19
cbx33heheh yup01:19
cbx33just figured that out01:19
cbx33wow...google had nothing on that binary ;)01:19
cbx33ogra I don;t have an /etc/alternatives/   usplash anything01:24
TeePOGtell me, does sound work remotely over ltsp?01:24
cbx33i don't have edubutu-usplash installed01:25
ograyes01:25
cbx33would that be it?01:25
ogralikely01:25
ograi have no idea where its installed originally ...01:26
cbx33ok01:26
cbx33I'm sorting it now ;)01:26
cbx33got it01:27
ograTeePOG, you need to add SOUND=True to your lts.conf file01:27
TeePOGok ogra, and then it detects your soundcard?01:28
cbx33ogra why is that not enabled by default?01:28
ograthats a kernel thing that happens anyway01:28
cbx33just outta interest ?01:28
ograSOUND=True just starts the infrastructure on top of the soundcard :)01:28
ogracbx33, not yet ... we'll ship an lts.conf in edgy01:28
cbx33;)01:29
cbx33ahhh01:29
cbx33so that's why ;)01:29
ograincluding enables locald devices, network swap 16bit colors and sound01:29
TeePOGis that the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf ?01:30
ograno01:30
ograyou need to create one ...01:30
TeePOGahhh ok01:30
ograsudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf01:30
ograadd the following two lines:01:31
ogra[default] 01:31
ograSOUND=True01:31
cbx33whhaaa !01:31
ograthats  it ... on next boot your client will have sound01:31
cbx33that's not right01:31
TeePOGhmm, ok01:31
cbx33I just changed the symlink in the /etc/alternatives but it didn;t work01:31
ograeeek01:32
ogradont ever touch /etc/alternatives by hand01:32
cbx33but but but01:32
cbx33:(01:32
ograreplace the image it links to ;)01:32
cbx33ok#01:32
ogra(make a backup to restore later)01:33
ograor use the proper update-alternatives comamndline to add your image)01:33
cbx33ogra01:38
cbx33I can't understand this01:38
cbx33by default I have a circular resolution in the usplash01:38
ogracircular resolution ?01:38
cbx33did you install the kubuntu-usplash package?01:38
ograno01:38
ograi just replaced /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so with my generated image file01:39
cbx33ok01:39
cbx33ok01:41
cbx33but01:41
cbx33in that folder I have a file that points back to the /etc/alternatives again01:42
cbx33?01:42
cbx33do you?01:42
cbx33usplash-artwork.so01:42
ograyes01:43
cbx33and where does that point?01:43
ografor me to /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so01:43
cbx33oh01:44
cbx33for me not01:44
cbx33I shall sort it out01:44
ograno idea whats the default here01:44
ograi dont have any plain ubuntu system around atm01:44
cbx33ok01:44
ograbut i guess you wont have an alternative at all in a default ubuntu01:45
cbx33no01:47
cbx33it's ok I think I got it01:47
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cbx33I screwed it up01:54
cbx33:(01:54
cbx33gonna reinstall edubuntu ;)01:54
jsgotangcoheh01:57
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jsgotangcohey jono01:59
jonohey02:01
jsgotangcosorry to hear about the puppy :/ love dogs myself02:01
TeePOGciao all02:08
TeePOGbbl02:08
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ograoh man02:22
jonothanks all :)02:23
cbx33i just did something mega stupid02:34
cbx33in my haste to fix artwork...I reformatted my laptop02:34
cbx33erasing entire disk02:34
cbx33:(02:34
cbx33heheeh02:34
cbx33the data isn't critical but would be nice to get it back....once edubutnu has finished installing02:34
cbx33anyone know of any data recovery tools ;)02:35
ograif oyu already formatted the chances are very bad to get stuff back02:39
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edgarinHi to all03:11
jsgotangcohello03:22
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bddebianHello04:14
Yagisancbx33, it is hard (and expensive ) to recover that data04:14
jsgotangcohey bddebian04:14
bddebianHi Yagisan and jsgotangco04:14
YagisanG'day bddebian, jsgotangco 04:15
Yagisancbx33, best thing to do next time, is to dd an image of the disk04:15
Yagisanand we can try to recover the data from the image04:15
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annmahi05:24
STORMCHAS3R_morning05:25
annmaare you the STORMCHAS3R_ I know?05:26
STORMCHAS3R_annma, I doubt it05:27
STORMCHAS3R_:)05:28
annmaOK05:28
annma;)05:28
annmaI am the KDE-Edu maintainer05:28
STORMCHAS3R_w0w, nice to meet you05:28
annmathat's why I poped here05:28
STORMCHAS3R_sweet05:29
STORMCHAS3R_edubuntu rox05:29
annmayes, it would be good if we collaborate more closely05:29
STORMCHAS3R_right, i just wish there was a version geared more to high school/college05:30
annmawe'd like to know for example if you have feedback from teachers05:30
annmayou mean more edu apps for high school?05:31
annmayes, it would be nice to have several "flavours" of edubuntu depending on the age05:31
STORMCHAS3R_annma, that and wallpapers and such05:31
annmayes05:31
annmaare you an edubuntu collaborator?05:31
STORMCHAS3R_would like to be05:32
STORMCHAS3R_I am trying to push linux in education05:33
annma:)05:33
pygiannma, what kind of colaboration would you have in mind? :)05:34
annmais there someone here whom I can contact regarding a colaboration?05:34
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STORMCHAS3R_pygi, lol05:35
STORMCHAS3R_does anyone know the "Industry trends and Future Implications" with OSS?05:37
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annmapygi: well, improving our KDE-Edu programs 05:40
annmayou will have feedback probably from schools05:40
annmaor teachers05:40
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cbx33ogra buddy u sure you didn;t do anything else?05:40
pygiannma, I think ogra is the guy you mostly wanna speak with, but I think everyone here might give you opinions05:40
cbx33i just did a fresh edubuntu install05:40
annmayou also may have nice ideas05:40
cbx33but it's not working05:41
annmapygi: OK, thanks05:41
pygiannma, I would suggest you mail the edubuntu-devel list05:41
pygithat's the best you could do05:41
annmaOK05:42
annmaexcelelnt05:42
annmafound the link, great05:43
cbx33ping Seveas05:43
STORMCHAS3R_how do you set up a workstation to use LTSP, and could it be used as a diskless client?05:47
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stormbuntu!ltsp05:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ltsp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:50
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sbalneavMorning all05:51
stormbuntumorn05:52
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bddebianpygi: Still here?05:56
pygibddebian, kinda yes05:57
cbx33hey bddebian05:57
cbx33hi pygi05:57
bddebianHi cbx3305:57
pygihi cbx33 05:57
pygiwhat you broke this time? :)05:57
pygihow may I help you bddebian ?05:57
bddebianpygi: Need to add $(THREAD_LIBS) to libburn_libburn_foo_LDADD in Makefile.am! :-)05:57
cbx33heheh05:58
cbx33usplash05:58
bddebianpygi: Also, wtf are the package config files?05:58
pygibddebian, ahm, what do you mean?05:58
pygiwhy would I add anything to Makefile.am?05:58
bddebianBecause it's broken? :-)06:00
pygibddebian, what exactly is broken?06:01
pygiit all builds fine for me?06:01
bddebianlibburn_libburn_la_LDFLAGS = $(THREAD_LIBS) \06:01
bddebianWhen I build it in pbuilder, it doesn't -lpthread for some reason06:02
pygibleh, patch so I can see what are you talking about and explanation why you wanna change it? 06:02
bddebianAnyway, the biggest thing holding me up are the package config files06:02
pygibleh, weird :-/06:02
pygibddebian, pbuilder complaining or anything? what? why dont you poke motu people?06:03
bddebianBecuase you asked me to package it? :-)06:04
pygilol, right, but -motu people are experts, I'm not :-)06:04
pygiI told you not to worry, if it's a problem don't do it :)06:04
bddebianNo it's not a problem, I just thought maybe you'd know :-)06:05
pygiI know nothing :)06:06
bddebianBah06:10
pygibddebian, what?06:11
bddebianOK, I'll play with it this afternoon.  I have to head out for a while06:11
bddebianI meant "Bah" that you know nothing :-)06:11
pygienjoy and don't worry, just stop doing it ^_^06:11
pygiI'll package it one day ^-^06:11
bddebianIt's a pride thing at this point :-)06:11
bddebianOK, gotta run, laterz06:12
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cbx33ograit ist broken06:23
cbx33ogra i managed to break usplash06:23
cbx33my machine doesnt even boot now06:24
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ogracbx33, so boot without the splash parameter, then it isnt started07:19
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cbx33ogra didn;t know you could do that07:37
sbalneavogra!07:52
sbalneavHey dude!07:52
ograhey07:52
sbalneavYou know there's a problem with xkeyboard-config?  It now depends on xkb-data, but that isn't in a metapackage somewhere07:53
ograits already fixed ...07:53
sbalneavso an ltsp-build-client fails.07:53
sbalneavah, cool.07:53
ograwaiting on the new package to be done07:53
sbalneavYou are teh star07:53
sbalneavctl-alt-f switching's fixed now, btw07:53
ograthere is a bunch of other breakage i wanted to fix today, but due to the breakage i culdnt07:54
ogra(like having an empty /etc/nbd-clietn to make vagrants nbdswapd work)07:54
sbalneavDue to breakages, you couldn't fix breakages?  Recursion, dude!07:55
ograhehe07:55
sbalneavTime to calculate some fibonnacci sequences!07:55
=== ogra just got a huge bowl of icecream ...
sbalneavWhat flavour?07:55
ogra<- afk for a while :)07:55
ograspaghetti :)07:55
sbalneavSpaghetti??!?!07:55
ograhehe07:56
ograon the bottom there is about 1/3 freozen cream then they press vanilla ice through something like a big sieve ... 07:57
ograso it looks like spaghetti07:57
ograand on top there is strawberry marmelade with white chocolate on top07:57
sbalneavYum07:57
Rondomspaghetti-ice doesn't seem to be that popular...08:14
ogranot outside of germany )08:16
ogra:)08:16
sbalneavogra: I noticed blender wasn't in edubuntu anymore.  Any reason for the demotion to Universe?08:17
ograa hard ffmpeg dependency08:17
sbalneavah, patents.08:18
ograit cant keep it in main without breaking half of its functionallity08:18
ogra(its possible to build it without ffmpeg, but that cripples it a lot)08:18
cbx33ogra can you test08:27
cbx33these images for me08:27
cbx33in usplash08:28
ograsbalneav, ltsp-build-client works fine again 08:28
ogracbx33, a bit later ... my GF wants me for some sunday evening stuff ...08:30
sbalneavogra: Stooper-doope.08:30
sbalneavs/.$/r./08:31
cbx33ogra soudns ominous ;P08:31
cbx33ogra ping me when you're able08:31
cbx33I don;t know why this isn;t working08:31
pygisbalneav, hey08:31
cbx33but it's ticking me opff08:31
sbalneavhello pygi!08:31
ogracbx33, just leave the usplash then ... it will take time anyway to make the buildsystem work ...08:32
cbx33ok08:33
cbx33just watned to test em :(08:33
cbx33see if they worked from an asthetics point of view ;)08:33
ograthey will surely be better than mine ...08:33
ogra:)08:33
cbx33wanna see quikylcy?08:33
cbx33I 'll upload to webserver08:33
cbx33http://progbox.co.uk/www/edu-art/08:34
cbx33http://progbox.co.uk/edu-art/08:34
stormchas3rcbx33, nice work there08:36
ogracbx33, later ... btw EduWIP4.jpg looks perfect ... and if the colors work in usplash thats an awesome one :)08:36
cbx33my wifes work really08:36
cbx33well it's 25608:36
cbx33so it should08:36
cbx33oh you mean 408:36
cbx33ah08:36
cbx33check it later ;)08:37
cbx33you'll see ;)08:37
stormchas3rquick ? for you guys,  when edubuntu boots, and the "edubuntu" logo comes up when the devices load,  how can you change that logo?08:38
cbx33stormchas3r: usplash08:38
ogracbx33, i didnt mean 4 for usplash 08:39
ograi meant the usplash pics ...08:39
stormchas3rso how would i change this to what Id prefer?08:39
cbx33ah ok cool08:40
cbx33heheh sorry ogra08:40
cbx33go have some fun and relax08:40
cbx33I'll build you an artwork pacakge08:40
stormchas3rcbx33, you talking to ogra  or I?08:41
cbx33ogra08:41
stormchas3rdang08:41
stormchas3rkk08:41
cbx33stormchas3r hehe are you talking about for edgy or dapper?08:41
stormchas3rdapper08:42
cbx33I'm not sure08:44
stormchas3rwhere can i get edgy?08:44
cbx33edgy is still in development08:44
cbx33so it's still got bugs08:44
stormchas3rgotcha08:44
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maccam94knock knock, anybody home?09:59
Burgundaviamaccam94: yep10:00
maccam94i'm thinking of switching a high school over to Edubuntu from XP, and I'm thinking compatibility right now. what sorts of school-type apps are there, for things like grading, financing, math formula writing, etc?10:00
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