=== Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === SynrG [n=synrg@debian/developer/synrg] has left #edubuntu ["wop"] === felipe__ [n=Felipe@64.86.65.13] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] hi Amaranth === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian411 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian411 is now known as rjian === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian807 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian807 is now known as rjian === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian252 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian252 is now known as rjian === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.105] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu === edgarin__ [n=edgarin@190.57.86.123] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] Hi to all [09:30] some people with LTSP? [09:36] edgarin__: it what way? === edgarin [n=edgarin@190.57.93.25] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian461 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian461 is now known as rjian === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-195-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=node50@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:09] ping Seveas [12:10] pong cbx33 [12:10] Seveas I've been trying to get a working usplash,kwwii told me that it's broken at the mo [12:11] what is broken? usplash itself or your theme? [12:11] I havnt made a theme [12:11] I was trying to view the new edgy theme [12:11] but i just get the test screen [12:11] cbx33, i have a working one here but the graphics are pretty ugly (didnt put any time into it, just dropped the logo on a black background and indexed that) [12:12] my prob is that the usplash theme creation in all packages we have uses a hardcoded Makefile instead of an automake generated one ... [12:12] edubuntu artwork uses automake ... [12:13] dunno who decided such a sillyness ... [12:14] oh [12:14] hmmm [12:14] ok... [12:14] where is teh position of the progress bar set etc? [12:14] i need to put some time into rewriting the Makefile.am [12:15] and is there a screen shot of the new edgy one? [12:15] in the .c file [12:15] ah right [12:15] I just want to make sure ours fits the theme [12:15] i just grabbed the kde one and replaced the pngs [12:15] if you know what I mean ;) [12:15] right ok [12:15] it needs color adjustments, but works fine that way [12:15] ok cool [12:16] is that [12:16] kde-artwork-usplash ? [12:16] you can then just run make in the dir and it creates the theme file [12:16] yep [12:16] ogra, dude, you gonna be available today? [12:16] btw, i'm using your wallpaper since friday [12:16] ;) [12:16] nice? [12:16] we should drop the stripes ... [12:16] you think? [12:16] and make the logo wy less prominent [12:16] *way [12:16] ok [12:17] I'll change now and show you [12:17] make it smaller, move it to the right and add a bit transparency or something, so it doesnt stick so much in your face [12:17] also the color makes it hard to read icon captions ... [12:18] they somehow disappera in the background ... [12:18] hmm [12:18] ok [12:19] I'll pastelise it a little [12:19] but i like the text and molecules ... we should add a bit more organic stuff [12:19] yeh i thought that [12:19] got anything in mind [12:19] do you know these drawing in botanic books ? [12:20] like a pencil drawing of a butterfly slightly faded or something like that [12:20] hmmm [12:20] yes I know what you mean [12:20] off you go then....ogra you can draw the butterfly ;) [12:20] i thought about just grabbing a photo and potrace that [12:20] might also be a flower ... [12:21] something living ... [12:21] www.progbox.co.uk/edu-art/ [12:22] number 3 ? [12:22] a lot better [12:22] ok [12:22] I'll get a pic of a flower and trace it [12:22] remember that we need some space at the bottom for the panel [12:22] yes [12:22] I'll putt it up a little later [12:22] s/putt/pull [12:22] so the logo should move up some px [12:22] right [12:22] um [12:22] can I ask you about the manga one [12:23] sure [12:23] what did you want changed ;) [12:23] well, no idea [12:23] heheh [12:23] might be fine as is [12:23] are we ok to use for now? [12:23] we can tweak later for sure [12:23] sure === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF2BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:23] does our usplash have to follow the same format as the others? [12:23] sorry [12:23] and its still the alternate one, so we have more freedom here [12:23] not usplash [12:24] gdm splash [12:24] dunno, i havent seen the others :) [12:24] hehe [12:24] the other thing was....ubuntu, not sure about klubuntu has had its log redrawn [12:24] logo [12:25] http://silentkeystroke.deviantart.com/gallery/ [12:25] lest stick with the logo as is ... [12:25] http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/5751652/?qo=61&q=by%3Asilentkeystroke+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps [12:25] we could probably revive the http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/gnome-splash.png splash [12:25] may trace some of that one ;) [12:25] it would fit with your color selection [12:25] yes [12:26] the flower looks nice ... but seems very complex to trace ... [12:26] well [12:26] I was gonna cheat a little [12:26] get photoshop to trace it [12:26] ;) [12:27] oooh looks good [12:27] hang on I'll incorporate [12:28] i could get you a ton of this kind: http://www.tragwerk.org/kunstsyn/GALERIEN/7_FOTO/BIG/13.jpg [12:29] looks good sounds good :) [12:29] I'll show you in a tick [12:29] how long are you around for today dude ;) [12:29] only from time to time [12:29] i have to do some stuff on the house ... [12:31] ok [12:31] so [12:32] can I just clarify a few things [12:32] before you go [12:32] young wallpaper, sorted for now [12:32] higher ed wallpaper, I'm just making a lst change to [12:33] ogra check out number 4 on that page [12:33] did you like the splash images lisa did...on the wiki? [12:33] we shall work on the gdm login screen [12:33] and usplash [12:34] yep, i liked them [12:34] so are we good to work around them? [12:34] any comments suggestions ? [12:34] yup, i think so ... [12:34] loo up the meeting log where we did the voting ... [12:34] *look [12:35] ok [12:35] the flower looks beautiful [12:35] ;) thanks [12:35] but i dont like the position ... [12:35] ok [12:35] the pic gets too much weight to the bottom left [12:35] suggest ;) [12:36] dunno ... top and right art quite empty ... [12:36] probably just move all the stuff a bit up and right suffices [12:36] ok [12:36] if the photo idea for gdm login doesn't work [12:36] we'll try something else... [12:37] did you have any speficic ideas for that and usplash? [12:38] ogra the kbuntu one you referenced earlier [12:38] is it just the blue kubuntu and blue throbber? [12:38] not much else on the page? - all black? [12:39] right [12:39] did you want us to follow that [12:39] or be a little more inventive? [12:40] like not a black screen ;) [12:41] what do you tink? [12:41] well, all we have is golden/yellow ... if you have a nice idea that fits 256 cols and looks slick .... [12:41] ok [12:43] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu-splash.so thats the quick and dirty one i made [12:43] ok [12:43] ogra did you like the gdm login screens we did already? [12:46] yes, but its not about me :) [12:46] i know [12:46] but if you're happy it means we can run with it as a prelim [12:46] right ;) [12:49] as a prelim i'D just pick a random one blindly from the wiki :P [12:49] heh [12:49] oi :0 [12:53] if you plan to use the wallpaper drawings in gdm, could you send me a cropped version without wallpaper background ? i can try to make that work in ldm with a solid background color [12:54] ok sure [12:55] we can use a png in ldm can't we? [12:55] yep [12:55] with transparency [12:55] but it has to be as small as possible [12:55] hehe [12:55] i gathered that [12:55] ldm is slow enoug on its own ... big pics will slow it down more [12:55] that's what I was goign to say ;) [12:56] well, I hope to have all the prelim artowkr done by late this afternoon [12:56] I'll probably create a deb so I can test it out [12:56] cool [12:56] yup [12:56] I was going to take the one already there, hack it up and replace images then build [12:57] do i need to build a source pacakge and then the proper package for artwork ;) [12:57] excuse my ignorance here ;) [12:58] yes [01:06] ogra what new icons did we need to create [01:06] willow [01:07] SCP ? [01:08] SCP has one [01:08] we should drop the header image in edgy+1 and think about a sane menu or toolbar ... [01:09] yes [01:09] willow needs one, but thats easy [01:09] that sounds like einen gut idea [01:09] lisa is gonna do one [01:09] take a globe and put a lock on the bottom right corner [01:09] any others? [01:09] (or something like that) [01:09] not from the top of my head [01:09] ogra to build the usplash what did you say to do... [01:10] but if there are icons missing, thats a bug, we still have until release to fix bugs ;) [01:10] run make in the dir where the pngs lie [01:10] ograsure [01:10] so I get the edubuntu-artwork-usplash ? [01:10] and replace all occurences of kubuntu with edubuntu in the MAkefile [01:10] ah [01:10] (and the .c files) [01:11] doesn't the edubuntu-uplash build yet? [01:13] ?? [01:13] sorry [01:13] I have all the images now [01:13] did you say get the kubuntu package and build the .so [01:13] thats what i did [01:14] and i replaced the pngs ... nothing else [01:14] where do i place that file to test it? [01:14] that gives you a blue progress bar though [01:14] i have new throbber pngs ;) [01:14] look at /etc/alternatives/uspash-artwork.so [01:14] ok cool [01:14] thanks [01:14] that wont help, you need the right hex codes for the colors in the .c file [01:15] oh, i thought Dennis said we use images now [01:15] theres the fore and background [01:15] i have red progressbars as well, but the make turns them blue ... :) [01:15] oh [01:15] :( [01:15] how odd [01:15] no, the colors are defined in hex codes in the .c file [01:15] so what are the pngs for? [01:15] they need to be adjusted to match ours [01:15] the shape i think === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [01:17] good morning [01:18] where does pngtousplash come from? [01:18] hi TeePOG [01:19] cbx33, usplash-dev [01:19] hi cbx33 [01:19] heheh yup [01:19] just figured that out [01:19] wow...google had nothing on that binary ;) [01:24] ogra I don;t have an /etc/alternatives/ usplash anything [01:24] tell me, does sound work remotely over ltsp? [01:25] i don't have edubutu-usplash installed [01:25] yes [01:25] would that be it? [01:25] likely [01:26] i have no idea where its installed originally ... [01:26] ok [01:26] I'm sorting it now ;) [01:27] got it [01:27] TeePOG, you need to add SOUND=True to your lts.conf file [01:28] ok ogra, and then it detects your soundcard? [01:28] ogra why is that not enabled by default? [01:28] thats a kernel thing that happens anyway [01:28] just outta interest ? [01:28] SOUND=True just starts the infrastructure on top of the soundcard :) [01:28] cbx33, not yet ... we'll ship an lts.conf in edgy [01:29] ;) [01:29] ahhh [01:29] so that's why ;) [01:29] including enables locald devices, network swap 16bit colors and sound [01:30] is that the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf ? [01:30] no [01:30] you need to create one ... [01:30] ahhh ok [01:30] sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [01:31] add the following two lines: [01:31] [default] [01:31] SOUND=True [01:31] whhaaa ! [01:31] thats it ... on next boot your client will have sound [01:31] that's not right [01:31] hmm, ok [01:31] I just changed the symlink in the /etc/alternatives but it didn;t work [01:32] eeek [01:32] dont ever touch /etc/alternatives by hand [01:32] but but but [01:32] :( [01:32] replace the image it links to ;) [01:32] ok# [01:33] (make a backup to restore later) [01:33] or use the proper update-alternatives comamndline to add your image) [01:38] ogra [01:38] I can't understand this [01:38] by default I have a circular resolution in the usplash [01:38] circular resolution ? [01:38] did you install the kubuntu-usplash package? [01:38] no [01:39] i just replaced /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so with my generated image file [01:39] ok [01:41] ok [01:41] but [01:42] in that folder I have a file that points back to the /etc/alternatives again [01:42] ? [01:42] do you? [01:42] usplash-artwork.so [01:43] yes [01:43] and where does that point? [01:43] for me to /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so [01:44] oh [01:44] for me not [01:44] I shall sort it out [01:44] no idea whats the default here [01:44] i dont have any plain ubuntu system around atm [01:44] ok [01:45] but i guess you wont have an alternative at all in a default ubuntu [01:47] no [01:47] it's ok I think I got it === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:54] I screwed it up [01:54] :( [01:54] gonna reinstall edubuntu ;) [01:57] heh === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:59] hey jono [02:01] hey [02:01] sorry to hear about the puppy :/ love dogs myself [02:08] ciao all [02:08] bbl === ogra hugs jono ... [02:22] oh man [02:23] thanks all :) [02:34] i just did something mega stupid [02:34] in my haste to fix artwork...I reformatted my laptop [02:34] erasing entire disk [02:34] :( [02:34] heheeh [02:34] the data isn't critical but would be nice to get it back....once edubutnu has finished installing [02:35] anyone know of any data recovery tools ;) [02:39] if oyu already formatted the chances are very bad to get stuff back === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === edgarin [n=edgarin@asturlab/member/edgarin] has joined #edubuntu [03:11] Hi to all [03:22] hello === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-238-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === edgarin [n=edgarin@190.57.94.56] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] Hello [04:14] cbx33, it is hard (and expensive ) to recover that data [04:14] hey bddebian [04:14] Hi Yagisan and jsgotangco [04:15] G'day bddebian, jsgotangco [04:15] cbx33, best thing to do next time, is to dd an image of the disk [04:15] and we can try to recover the data from the image === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-143-86.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === STORMCHAS3R_ [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === annma [n=annma@kde/developer/annma] has joined #edubuntu [05:24] hi [05:25] morning [05:26] are you the STORMCHAS3R_ I know? [05:27] annma, I doubt it [05:28] :) [05:28] OK [05:28] ;) [05:28] I am the KDE-Edu maintainer [05:28] w0w, nice to meet you [05:28] that's why I poped here [05:29] sweet [05:29] edubuntu rox [05:29] yes, it would be good if we collaborate more closely [05:30] right, i just wish there was a version geared more to high school/college [05:30] we'd like to know for example if you have feedback from teachers [05:31] you mean more edu apps for high school? [05:31] yes, it would be nice to have several "flavours" of edubuntu depending on the age [05:31] annma, that and wallpapers and such [05:31] yes [05:31] are you an edubuntu collaborator? [05:32] would like to be [05:33] I am trying to push linux in education [05:33] :) [05:34] annma, what kind of colaboration would you have in mind? :) [05:34] is there someone here whom I can contact regarding a colaboration? === pygi points annma to sentence above :) [05:35] pygi, lol [05:37] does anyone know the "Industry trends and Future Implications" with OSS? === STORMCHAS3R_ is writing a paper for college [05:40] pygi: well, improving our KDE-Edu programs [05:40] you will have feedback probably from schools [05:40] or teachers === cbx33 [n=node50@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi nods [05:40] ogra buddy u sure you didn;t do anything else? [05:40] annma, I think ogra is the guy you mostly wanna speak with, but I think everyone here might give you opinions [05:40] i just did a fresh edubuntu install [05:40] you also may have nice ideas [05:41] but it's not working [05:41] pygi: OK, thanks [05:41] annma, I would suggest you mail the edubuntu-devel list [05:41] that's the best you could do [05:42] OK [05:42] excelelnt [05:43] found the link, great [05:43] ping Seveas [05:47] how do you set up a workstation to use LTSP, and could it be used as a diskless client? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === STORMCHAS3R_ is now known as stormbuntu [05:50] !ltsp [05:50] Sorry, I don't know anything about ltsp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:51] Morning all [05:52] morn === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] pygi: Still here? [05:57] bddebian, kinda yes [05:57] hey bddebian [05:57] hi pygi [05:57] Hi cbx33 [05:57] hi cbx33 [05:57] what you broke this time? :) [05:57] how may I help you bddebian ? [05:57] pygi: Need to add $(THREAD_LIBS) to libburn_libburn_foo_LDADD in Makefile.am! :-) [05:58] heheh [05:58] usplash [05:58] pygi: Also, wtf are the package config files? [05:58] bddebian, ahm, what do you mean? [05:58] why would I add anything to Makefile.am? [06:00] Because it's broken? :-) [06:01] bddebian, what exactly is broken? [06:01] it all builds fine for me? [06:01] libburn_libburn_la_LDFLAGS = $(THREAD_LIBS) \ [06:02] When I build it in pbuilder, it doesn't -lpthread for some reason [06:02] bleh, patch so I can see what are you talking about and explanation why you wanna change it? [06:02] Anyway, the biggest thing holding me up are the package config files [06:02] bleh, weird :-/ [06:03] bddebian, pbuilder complaining or anything? what? why dont you poke motu people? [06:04] Becuase you asked me to package it? :-) [06:04] lol, right, but -motu people are experts, I'm not :-) [06:04] I told you not to worry, if it's a problem don't do it :) [06:05] No it's not a problem, I just thought maybe you'd know :-) [06:06]