[12:25] <Riddell> Sime: he only wrote it the other day
[01:07] <Riddell> ** testers needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/ main dapper (or edgy)
[01:11] <kwwii> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/dists/main/edgy/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:11] <Riddell> bah
[01:12] <kwwii> hehe
[01:12] <kwwii> main comes afterwards
[01:12] <Riddell> oh, there's no powerpc for edgy
[01:12] <kwwii> :-P
[01:12] <Riddell> it's still waiting on ruby to be fixed
[01:12] <kwwii> that sucks
[01:12] <Riddell> I agree
[01:19] <Riddell> hello erov 
[01:30] <jdong> guys, why is kdm installed as order 99 in rc2.d?
[01:30] <jdong> gdm is 13 by default
[01:31] <jdong> and kdm works just fine being 13
[01:31] <kwwii> so, since the last update, I cannot log-out until I kill powermanager
[01:31] <jdong> and it does give the feel of a faster bootup
[01:31] <kwwii> is that normal?
[01:31] <jdong> kwwii: yeah, we talked about that earler tiday
[01:31] <jdong> kwwii: I'm not sure what the eventual outcome was, but at least some devs are aware of it
[01:31] <kwwii> :-)
[01:31] <jdong> :)
[01:32] <Riddell> jdong: hmm, it did used to be at a lower start number, must have got lost in the edgy sync
[01:32] <kwwii> that, and it shows an ugly icon I made :-)
[01:32] <jdong> Riddell: k.. I last checked that like a week ago, idn if it's still the case... that was from installing kubuntu-desktop on an edgy ubuntu machine
[01:33] <kwwii> Riddell: is there now an extra package for kubuntu-usplash stuff?
[01:33] <jdong> so far, it's down to around 15-20 seconds to login screen
[01:33] <jdong> and doing anything more will be absolutely reckless
[01:33] <Riddell> kwwii: same package (binary kubuntu-artwork-usplash; source kubuntu-default-settings)
[01:34] <kwwii> Riddell: funky, never heard of that before :-)
[01:34] <kwwii> I noticed it when updating
[01:40] <kwwii_> this is never going to work
[01:40] <kwwii_> has anyone even seen the new usplash?
[01:42] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:43] <kwwii_> so what was the point?
[01:44] <jdong> I noticed the upload, but my usplash never changed
[01:44] <jdong> and usplash on my coreduo is really messed up.. the colors are all wrong and weird
[01:45] <jdong> I'm kind of worried about how this edgy usplash thing will work out
[01:45] <kwwii_> yeah, me too
[01:49] <kwwii_> night all
[01:49] <kwwii_> see you later
[02:20] <jdong> umm, no xchat, but the nicks list should not take up 90% of the window....
[02:20] <jdong> I prefer to be able to see the actual channel, please....
[02:20] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:22] <Hawkwind> jdong: The nicklist is resizable in Xchat
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Hi ya
[02:22] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[02:22] <jdong> Hawkwind: yes, but it happily forgets and defaults to what it thinks is funny every time I open it :)
[02:23] <Hawkwind> jdong: Set it to the size you want, then turn off the resize option in Preferences
[02:23] <Hawkwind> jdong: Settings -> Preferences -> User List -> Resizable User List
[02:23] <jdong> Hawkwind: thx
[02:23] <Hawkwind> jdong: Make sure Xchat exits cleanly and it should save its state
[02:24] <jdong> k
[02:24] <Hawkwind> jdong: Make sure that setting is *not* checked :)
[02:25] <jdong> Hawkwind: that's very flattering that you told me that, thanks ;)
[02:25] <jdong> I don't think I would've figured it out :)
[02:25] <Hawkwind> jdong: Heh.  Just trying to be as specific as possible :)
[02:25] <jdong> I know, just messing with you :)
[02:36] <jdong> ddrescue  -v edgy-desktop-i386.iso /dev/cdrom
[02:36] <jdong> ^^ the cool person's way of burning edgy cd's :)
[02:40] <jjesse> good evening :)
[02:42] <ryanakca> why the bleep am I not allowed to post to kubuntu-users... I'm subscribed/registered, and I sent the mail to kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what's the error message?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse 
[02:45] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at kubuntu-users-owner@lists.ubuntu.com.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahh.  great.
[02:45] <ryanakca> ???
[02:45] <ryanakca> what... known problem? user error?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[02:48] <jjesse> g
[02:48] <Hobbsee> h?
[02:48] <jjesse> i
[02:49] <Hobbsee> J!
[02:49] <jjesse> g
[02:49] <jjesse> grumble grumble
[02:50] <jdong> aah, is this some code speak or did someone put reiser4 on my computer??
[02:50] <Hobbsee> jdong: has pebkac occured?
[02:50] <jjesse> its callled jjesse can't type a password correctly and th windwo is closign
[02:50] <Hobbsee> s/occured/occurred/
[02:50] <jdong> lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ah yes, that's always fun
[02:51] <jdong> Hobbsee: nuke all of its settings and empty the wallet entry :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> jdong: i nuked the settings, forgot about the wallet entry
[02:52] <jdong> Hobbsee: or you could do what I typically do....
[02:52] <jdong> that is, use gnome in retaliation for a few days
[02:53] <jdong> then get angry about some oversimplification
[02:53] <jdong> then come back to KDE
[02:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:53] <jdong> then hop on here and whine about some bug
[02:53] <jjesse> Hobbsee: are you the one who is in charge of amarok?  looking at bug 23289
[02:53] <Hobbsee> no thanks, i like the print button
[02:53] <jdong> :)
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23289 in amarok "Amarok 1.3.1 from breezy updates uses all available CPU" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23289
[02:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse: imbrandon is
[02:53] <jjesse> ah
[02:53] <jjesse> ok
[02:53] <Hobbsee> but what did you want to know?
[02:54] <jjesse> what version are we using for edgy?  1.4.???
[02:54] <jdong> yeah
[02:55] <Hobbsee> 1.4.3
[02:55] <jdong> knowing imbrandon, the one that's been released for more than 3 hours
[02:55] <jdong> :)
[02:55] <jdong> they're nice to me... unlike that channel without the k :)
[02:58] <jdong> but damn, is tomboy fun :)
[02:58] <jdong> it allows me to carry my terrible organization skills over into the virtual world!
[02:58] <jjesse> what is tomboy?
[02:58] <jdong> gnome 2.16's new note taking applet
[02:58] <jdong> a desktop wiki, basically
[02:58] <jdong> similar to knotes, but more intuitive
[02:58] <jjesse> oh, is it like Microsoft's onenote? 
[02:58] <jdong> I've never used onenote
[02:59] <jjesse> oh
[02:59] <jdong> it's very wiki-like in its organization style
[02:59] <jdong> extremely simple in interface
[02:59] <jdong> a bare-bones note taking program, basically
[02:59] <jdong> great for jotting something down
[03:01] <Hawkwind> Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application which is simple and easy to use. It lets you organise your notes intelligently by allowing you to easily link ideas together with Wiki style interconnects.
[03:01] <jdong> ^^ = what jdong said + marketing hype
[03:01] <jjesse> ah
[03:02] <Hawkwind> Heh
[03:02] <Hawkwind> Marketing hype is always important :P
[03:02] <jdong> no kidding :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> jdong: i bite :P
[03:07] <jdong> :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i'm not nice and friendly :P
[03:07] <Hobbsee> it was all a conspiracy!
[03:08] <jdong> hah ! I knew it! you kubuntu rebels can't be trusted!
[03:08] <Hobbsee> muhahahaha
[03:08] <Hobbsee> time work work
[03:08] <Hobbsee> er, time for work
[03:08] <Hobbsee> time for me to yell at people again :D
[03:09] <jdong> damn, this is shiny
[03:09] <Hobbsee> "ooh, shiny?"
[03:09] <jdong> my dad's new laptop
[03:09] <jdong> 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM
[03:09] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> what brand?
[03:09] <jdong> Dell :-/
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[03:10] <jdong> work contracted company
[03:10] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[03:10] <jdong> but damn shiny
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <Hobbsee> good battery consumption too, i'll bet
[03:10] <jdong> man, this blows my core duo out of the water
[03:10] <Hobbsee> this dies too quickly for my liking :(
[03:10] <jdong> well gets 4 hours on stock battery
[03:10] <jdong> it's not miraculous
[03:10] <jdong> but it's acceptable
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:10] <jdong> the thing's a desktop replacement though
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that's 2 and a half hours more than i get.
[03:10] <jdong> it's humongous
[03:10] <jdong> around 10lbs, not something that I can lug around
[03:11] <jdong> he does heavy cpu work on it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:12] <jdong> of course, first thing first
[03:12] <jdong> always nice to do some compatibility test
[03:12] <jdong> ing
[03:22] <jdong> :)
[03:40] <Riddell> ** testers needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/ dapper (or edgy) main
[03:43] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Installing now
[03:47] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Installed without issues and everything seems to open and run properly.  This is in Dapper here
[03:50] <jdong> whoo! another 5 seconds off bootup
[03:55] <nixternal> it installed fine and runs fine on edgy
[03:58] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Yep seems to be working fine in my Edgy vmware as well
[08:45] <inam> hi everybody !
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hey inam 
[08:46] <inam> :)
[08:46] <inam> im new to linux and kubuntu... i need some help in getting started with downloading the code, modifying it and playing around with it
[08:47] <Hobbsee> apt-get source packagename?
[08:47] <inam> which package should i start playing with ? i am good with C
[08:48] <Hobbsee> any of them that look interesting?
[08:49] <inam> i have a dual boot of win-xp (this is my official laptop) and kubuntu (for home :)... i want to change the code so if the machine boots up mon-fri the default option in the GRUB will be winxp and at other times it will be kubuntu
[08:50] <inam> it might sound silly, but i hope it will get me started on working with linux code, compiling, make etc
[08:50] <Hobbsee> i dont know how to do that, if it's possible.  check man grub
[08:50] <inam> hmmm
[08:50] <inam> i'll do that
[08:50] <inam> !grub
[08:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:34] <toma> hi all
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey toma 
[12:37] <toma> Hobbsee: hi
[12:40] <toma> no more newsletter in my mail?
[12:40] <toma> hmm
[12:40] <Hobbsee> i dont konw
[12:40] <Hobbsee> i havent sifted thru my email again
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i just saw that someone's been doign syncs.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> and i'm mentioned, too.  cool
[12:41] <toma> the content pf the newsletter is only on the wiki from now on
[12:41] <toma> for richer content
[12:42] <toma> i only see one image (of an empty desktop) on the wiki though ;-)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:43] <Hobbsee> wow, we hit 15K of bugs.
[12:50] <toma> that can not be good sign ;-)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:51] <Hobbsee> makes me wonder if we'll ever get them all closed
[12:51] <toma> you know better
[12:51] <Hobbsee> makes me wonder what they're all in, too
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> anyone running kopete here?
[01:17] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i am
[01:17] <imbrandon> not me ( bitlbee for me )
[01:17] <Hobbsee> abattoir: can you check bug 46657 for me please?
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46657
[01:18] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:18] <abattoir> Hobbsee: sorry, i dont use AIM :(
[01:18] <Hobbsee> i dont have aim
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:18] <imbrandon> aim accounts are free
[01:19] <imbrandon> make a kubnutu_test@aol.com with password test ;)
[01:19] <imbrandon> and we can all use it to test bugs ;)
[01:20] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i can confirm that the error popup is shown... its probably independent of the network...
[01:20] <Hobbsee> abattoir: right.  kopete 0.12.2?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that involves using aim.
[01:21] <abattoir> yup
[01:26] <imbrandon> probably becouse it is a backport ;)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> must be
[01:29] <Hobbsee> bug 59641 is annoying me
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59641 in kopete "Kopete should not depend on XMMS" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59641
[01:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if i fix your kopete packages, will you stick them onto kubuntu.org please?
[01:41] <Riddell> isn't kopete is backports?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  want to remove yours then?
[01:41] <Riddell> could do
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, you can either fix them, remove them, or be driven nuts.
[02:05] <hunger> I was just informed that my battery was removed when I unplugged my laptop.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hunger: wha'ts more interesting is when it tells  you that, when nothing's changed at all
[02:05] <abattoir> hunger: g-p-m ?
[02:05] <hunger> kde guidance thingy.
[02:05] <abattoir> aah, ok
[02:06] <Tm_T> kwwii_: call that perfect timing, hi :)
[02:07] <kwwii> hehe
[02:07] <kwwii> hi Tm_T
[02:07] <abattoir> Tm_T: :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> I'm trapped to gprs connection, so I play around with inkscape in windows
[02:08] <Tm_T> I added some gimp effects to this small idea I got: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/blue-curves-002-k-gimp-01.jpg
[02:09] <Tm_T> pretty much just throwing things together, but I think that could be developed further
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T 
[02:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: :)
[02:12] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[02:12] <kwwii> Tm_T: nifty shine effect
[02:13] <kwwii> Tm_T: best would be to use the newest version of the logo though
[02:13] <Tm_T> hmm, that's just gimp "supernova" ;)
[02:13] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:13] <kwwii> a lense effect
[02:13] <Tm_T> ...and I didn't find newer, I'm behind sloooow connection so any web search takes minutes to hours
[02:13] <Tm_T> lost adsl once again
[02:14] <Tm_T> so only gprs
[02:14] <kwwii> also, using lines is kinda tricky, because people tend to have panels and icons everywhere, so no matter where you put lines, it will end up covering part of it
[02:14] <kwwii> hehe
[02:14] <Tm_T> true
[02:14] <kwwii> what happened to you adsl?
[02:14] <Tm_T> no idea
[02:15] <kwwii> ouch
[02:15] <Tm_T> it's been on-off long time now
[02:15] <kwwii> not sure if I could handle that :-)
[02:15] <Tm_T> it's not under my power to do anything about it, I don't own the phone wire you see ;)
[02:16] <Tm_T> I'm sort of "borrowing" adsl
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh
[02:17] <Tm_T> sounds like my life actually :-P
[02:17] <Tm_T> just been in sick leave once again, hate it
[02:17] <kwwii> hehe
[02:18] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> did you bring some back for us?
[02:18] <kwwii> nope, I ate it all myself :-)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> sad.
[02:19] <Tm_T> big lungs? well that help in diving I guess
[02:21] <kwwii> man, it was sooo goood!!!! A super tender veal steak in white wine sauce with grilled porcino mushrooms
[02:21] <Tm_T> I just ate though
[02:21] <kwwii> my wife had a goose breast with bread dumplings and kale
[02:22] <kwwii> time for a nap, I think
[02:22] <Tm_T> some formula1 or something, monza ->
[03:11] <Tonio_> yo
[03:13] <toma> Tonio_: i've passed on the question about the paste/auto scroll thingie to a khtml person, let's wait for his reaction
[03:13] <toma> Tonio_: i browsed through the code a bit yesterday, but it is very complicated code
[03:13] <toma> al least for me
[03:14] <Tonio_> toma: hehe great ;)
[03:14] <Tonio_> toma: you mean about the bug that clicking a textarea also let the autoscroll appear ?
[03:14] <toma> yep
[03:14] <Tonio_> toma: did you give him the kde bug id ?
[03:14] <Tonio_> it is a confirmed issue :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> see kde bug 131650
[03:15] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650
[03:15] <Tonio_> toma: that was working before 3.5.4.... damn we should have gotten the functionnality then :)
[03:15] <toma> no, but he found the bug number of the smooth scrolling, so he'll manage ;-)
[03:15] <Tonio_> toma: ok ;)
[03:16] <Tonio_> toma: maybe this bug id would be interesting for him since it shows it has been working in the past
[03:17] <Tonio_> toma: works for you ?
[03:18] <toma> what?
[03:18] <toma> pasting without scrolling?
[03:18] <toma> no
[03:21] <Lure> Tonio_: just stop power-manager and start it again and you can logout
[03:22] <Lure> power-manager blocks all other tray icons to start and also logout by ksmserver
[03:22] <Tonio_> Lure: argh !
[03:22] <Lure> we need to change kde-guidance to install a shell scipt in /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager that calls .py with & to fork it in background
[03:23] <Tonio_> Lure: is sebas aware of this ?
[03:23] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, but it is packaging issue
[03:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I can fix this
[03:23] <Tonio_> let me check ;)
[03:23] <Tonio_> is there a bug report
[03:23] <Tonio_> ?
[03:24] <Lure> currecltly we make just sym link to .py, but we should put a simple script which calls .py with & at the end
[03:24] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure, but many reported this issue here
[03:24] <Tonio_> okay, let me checl
[03:25] <Tonio_> Lure: ho ! I fixed klipper fyi :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> maybe I already told you....
[03:25] <Lure> Tonio_: seen on edgy-changes - so what did you do?
[03:25] <Tonio_> Lure: explained on the bug on launchpad
[03:25] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, power-manager blockes klipper, adept_updated, kgpg and kbluetooth here
[03:26] <Tonio_> in fact the build system currently hacks the desktop files
[03:26] <Tonio_> the problem is that the klipperrc file is called .desktop in the sources :)
[03:26] <Tonio_> so that /etc/kde3/klipperrc was corrupted
[03:26] <Tonio_> so I did a debian/rules entry to get that file cleaned before installation in the package and that's it
[03:27] <Lure> Tonio_: wow, this is really stupid bug
[03:27] <Tonio_> the big thing was to find were was the error
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is that klipper uses a rc.desktop file for translation, not a .po file
[03:27] <Lure> Tonio_: great that you nailed it down!
[03:27] <Tonio_> sounds stupid but that's it
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I'm proud of that :) hehe
[03:27] <Tonio_> ok let's fix guidance now
[03:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I might have new power-manager this evening (multi-battery support), but you should not wait for that
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lure: you would suggest to fix autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop ?
[03:29] <Tonio_> Lure: ahhhhhhh
[03:29] <Tonio_> ok I have it
[03:29] <Lure> Tonio_: no - there is /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager link created - I suspect by post-inst or similar
[03:29] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I can see it :)
[03:29] <Tonio_> you would like a script instead
[03:29] <Lure> this should be replaced by simple script with the following content:
[03:29] <Tonio_> bash script that calls with & and get the app in background
[03:30] <Tonio_> noticed, I'm doing it
[03:30] <Lure>  /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py
[03:30] <Lure> and & at the end ;-)
[03:30] <Tonio_> yup
[03:31] <Tonio_> Lure: why did that work before ?
[03:31] <Tonio_> should have failed too.........
[03:31] <Tonio_> okay I'll fix that today, thanks for the tip
[03:31] <Lure> Tonio_: I suspect it never did - or did by accident as multiple pm's were started until recent fix
[03:32] <Lure> Tonio_: thank you for fixing this
[03:32] <Tonio_> Lure: possibly yes
[03:32] <Tonio_> Lure: thank you for finding this :)
[03:32] <Lure> Tonio_: me and sebas did not notice it as we were always running it from shell (to watch messages)
[03:33] <Lure> Tonio_: it was actually sebas who suggested this fix ;-)
[03:33] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ok ;)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_, you forgot hte kopete default settings at the meeting
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I couldn't be at the meeting sorry :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you resume the situation please ?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh...of course, yes
[03:37] <Tonio_> email would be perfect ;)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: at next meeting?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i suppose we could email it asking for comments to the k-d mailing list
[03:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are there big changes required ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the kopete default settings?  you were the one who last replied to it
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah yes, those stupid paranioa things :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's the one :)
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes I didn't talk about it ;)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sorry I though it was discuss in dev meeting, like konversation settings
[03:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I just think that's stupid debate and the meeting took horrible decision concerning this, but yes, I don't want to ignore the meeting se we have to rediscuss this
[03:41] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:41] <Tonio_> and I have to force the decision to my opinion :)
[03:41] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i completely forgot about it
[03:41] <Tonio_> me too
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, particularly when we make up part of quroum :P
[03:43] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> Lure: package is fixed, I'm testing and uploading
[03:47] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[03:48] <Tonio_> I'm surprized there is no bug concerning this
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you know if there is one ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> the "impossible to logout" issue
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i havent seen one, no
[03:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ok thanks
[03:50] <Hobbsee> it should be clear - "if you want it, fix it.  we dont have the people"
[03:55] <abattoir> Hobbsee: what does he want?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> abattoir: perfect support ofr 64bit ubuntu, pretty much.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> abattoir: see ubuntu-devel mailing lists
[03:57] <ryanakca> imbrandon: when will you end kde-pim's color messup by uploading those packages?
[04:03] <Tonio_> Lure: problem : kde-guidance ftbfs here
[04:03] <Tonio_> Lure: even the current version unmodified.......
[04:03] <Lure> Tonio_: really? why?
[04:03] <Tonio_> can someone try to pbuild apt-get source kde-guidance please ?
[04:03] <Tonio_> Lure: dunno for the moment......
[04:04] <Tonio_> Lure: obscur python error
[04:04] <Tonio_>   File "setup.py", line 19, in <module>
[04:04] <Tonio_>     import kdedistutils
[04:04] <Tonio_> ImportError: No module named kdedistutils
[04:04] <Tonio_> that's it......
[04:04] <Tonio_> missing builddep ?
[04:04] <Lure> sounds like
[04:05] <Tonio_> what is strange is that the current version used to be built in the past.......
[04:05] <Tonio_> I must say I don't understand
[04:05] <Tonio_> even the current version ftbfs here
[04:05] <Lure>  /usr/share/python-support/pykdeextensions/kdedistutils.py
[04:05] <Lure> this is on my system
[04:06] <Lure> provided by pykdeextensions
[04:06] <Tonio_> pykdeextensions: usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kdedistutils.py
[04:06] <Tonio_> hehe apt-file is your friend
[04:06] <Tonio_> Lure: but how did the current version build ?
[04:06] <Lure> Tonio_: by luck ;-)
[04:07] <Lure> it sounds really strange
[04:07] <Lure> running pbuilder?
[04:07] <abattoir> Hobbsee: ask him to switch to kubuntu, there is a workaround where flash, java work in 64-bit konq. :P
[04:07] <Hobbsee> abattoir: hehe
[04:07] <abattoir> Hobbsee: or atleast install konq.
[04:07] <Tonio_> Lure: well I assume the build system uses pbuilder no ?
[04:07] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll try adding the builddep
[04:07] <Lure> Tonio_: chroots, similar to pbuilder yes
[04:08] <Tonio_> Lure: except if the extension is already installed :)
[04:08] <Tonio_> it is not in a pbuilder
[04:08] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm just surprized Riddell didn't use pbuilder to build
[04:09] <Tonio_> Lure: argh, the builddep is already there........
[04:09] <Lure> Tonio_: even better ;-)
[04:09] <Tonio_> Lure: can you try to pbuild kde-guidance on your machine ?
[04:09] <Tonio_> maybe my pbuilder is broken somehow
[04:10] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not have pbuilder setup yet (knot2 reinstall), but will do it now
[04:10] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks.... I don't to upload ftbfs stuff I you can imagin :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Riddell doesnt like pbuilder.
[04:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, didn't knew this :)
[04:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: why ?
[04:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well if you don't mind apt-get install *, then debuild does the job too, but well....
[04:12] <Tonio_> a chroot like pbuilder is cool in my view
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that
[04:12] <ryanakca> doesn't everybody?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nope
[04:13] <ryanakca> @,@ heh... I always use it..
[04:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: maybe you try to pbuild kde-guidance too :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm very embarrased since I cannot upload the fixed package here because of that ftbfs
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:14] <bddebian> Hello
[04:14] <Tonio_> can be a local problem too
[04:14] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca, Tonio_, Hobbsee
[04:14] <ryanakca> hey bddebian: 
[04:14] <Tonio_> heya bddebian
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:15] <ryanakca> could you run a kubuntu pbuilder on debian and vice versa? I can't see why you couldn't... 
[04:15] <ryanakca> packages might have different names, so you'd have to watchout that way... but other than that...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, but you need different base tarballs, and sources lists
[04:16] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yes it works nice :)
[04:16] <ryanakca> :)
[04:17] <ryanakca> and anybody have a link as to making a build farm (I think that's what they call them...) I have a couple of P2s and P1s kicking around...
[04:17] <ryanakca> and my school is trashing a pile of them... so I could probably pilfer some from there as well...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ask imbrandon about that
[04:17] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping :)
[04:17] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is it can fail here in pbuilder and work on the build machine, but only Riddell knows if that's common issue
[04:18] <ryanakca> where is the build machine anywais?
[04:18] <ryanakca> europe? (sorry for being offtopic)
[04:20] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm trying to install all builddep and debuid the package, that's the way the build farm works I guess*
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: gb,  i think
[04:26] <Tonio_> Lure: same error debuilding the package........
[04:26] <Tonio_> I don't understand, it look like something changed since kde-guidance has been build
[04:31] <Tonio_> Lure: want something funcky ???
[04:31] <Tonio_> look at that 
[04:32] <Tonio_> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23061
[04:32] <Tonio_> Lure: the first part is the end of debuild log
[04:32] <Tonio_> error is impossible to import blabla
[04:32] <Tonio_> then I launch python and I can load the module ;)
[04:32] <Tonio_> strange isn't it ?
[04:32] <Tonio_> I don't understand the point there
[04:33] <Lure> Tonio_: I think build uses python-2.5 and command line is 2.4
[04:33] <Lure> probably migration to python 2.5 break something
[04:33] <Tonio_> Lure: is that recent migration ?
[04:33] <Lure> see 2.5 mention at trhe beginning of your paste?
[04:33] <Tonio_> yep
[04:33] <Lure> Tonio_: I think I have seen some related changelogs on edgy-changes recently
[04:34] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe we can switch python to 2.4 for the package
[04:34] <Lure> Tonio_: we should probably poke #ubuntu-devel (not sure if anybody is here today though)
[04:34] <Tonio_> just adding the version in it
[04:34] <Tonio_> temporary, and then pole ubuntu-devel for the next versions
[04:34] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure what the plan is for edgy...
[04:34] <Tonio_> Lure: probably keep both
[04:35] <Tonio_> Lure: let me test something on the package :)
[04:35] <Tonio_> I'll change the dep to python 2.4 instead of just python
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hey, how do i check if my key is actually signed?
[04:37] <jsgotangco> err check from a keyserver?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yes, but how?
[04:39] <Tonio_> Lure: python-all-dev depends on both python 2.4 and 2.5
[04:39] <Tonio_> Lure: there is certainly a way to set the version of python to use in the package...... I'm investigating
[04:39] <Lure> Tonio_: explicitly request python 2.4?
[04:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: kgpg and update key from keyserver, then view key if any signature is added
[04:40] <Tonio_> Lure: impossible python-all-dev is a build dep and depends both pythong 2.4 and 2.5 ;)
[04:41] <Tonio_> both version of python are installed de facto
[04:41] <Tonio_> so I have to force the build to 2.4
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: hmmm.  i tend to just use gpg
[04:41] <Hobbsee> i think it said added
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yet it comes back untrusted.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> when using dput
[04:41] <Hobbsee> which doesnt really matter, as it doesnt stop me uploading...but...
[04:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I have found a way to do it, using debian/pyversions file
[04:49] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[04:49] <Lure> Tonio_: you should put some note as this may be just temporary workaround
[04:49] <Tonio_> Lure: but we have to ping ubuntu-devel for the issue concerning the import kdedistutils
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I will of course :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> bed time.  night all
[04:53] <Tonio_> nite Hobbsee
[04:57] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm rebooting to completly test new package and uploading
[04:59] <ryanakca> apple is doing a good job a annoying me... I got a free monitor with my free performa, and go to use it with my old P2, but no, apple decided to make their connector proprietairy, and doesn't fit...
[04:59] <jdong> :)
[04:59] <jdong> it's not proprietary... it's the standard.. the VGA connector is proprietary ;)
[04:59] <jdong> or so an apple techie told me :)
[04:59] <ryanakca> *cough*
[05:01] <ryanakca> well, I'm going to smoke test this old box... *gulps*
[05:01] <jdong> Memory: 8192M real, 4703M free, 433M swap in use, 38G swap free
[05:01] <jdong> hmm, running low on RAM :P
[05:02] <ryanakca> what the bleep are you yapping about
[05:02] <ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 37/187GB, RAM: 370/375MB, 192 proc's, 10.12d up
[05:02] <ryanakca> most video cards have more ram than my main desktop
[05:03] <jdong> :)
[05:03] <Tonio_> Lure: kde-guidance fixed and uploaded
[05:03] <Tonio_> logout issue is resolved :)
[05:03] <jdong> SunOS home-on-the-dome.mit.edu 5.10 Generic_118822-26 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V440
[05:03] <jdong> whee!
[05:03] <Tonio_> I wonder who is the python man for ubuntu ?
[05:04] <Tonio_> I need to report the kdedistutils issue for python 2.5
[05:09] <Lure> Tonio_: great - ask on #ubuntu-devel who should we poke about 2.5
[05:09] <Tonio_> Lure: done :)
[05:13] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe we should simply look at pykdeextensions status
[05:13] <Tonio_> is it supposed to manage 2.5 ?
[05:14] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure - sebas, _Sime and Riddell may know more
[05:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I'm not a python expert too :)
[05:14] <Tonio_> Lure: I just bought my first "developping using python" book
[05:14] <Tonio_> I need to learn this :)
[05:14] <Lure> Tonio_: not yet ;-)) (you mentioned some python books)
[05:15] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, python is very usefull even for sysadmin, so I nead to learn python dev
[05:15] <Tonio_> the only problem is that it is object based, which standard sysadmin laguages like perl are not :)
[05:16] <Tonio_> so it is completly different from perl, php or any language I know
[05:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I am probably the only linux sysadmin that uses phpcli for his scripts hehe :)
[05:45] <ryanakca> jdong: it passed the smoke test, and it took 5 minutes for the live cd to startup
[05:52] <ryanakca> I don't think it'll make a very effective build machine...
[06:51] <Tonio_> yop goldenear
[06:52] <goldenear> yop :)
[06:52] <goldenear> I'm trying to install edgy
[06:52] <goldenear> but it doesn't work :/
[06:52] <Tonio_> goldenear: good luck ;)
[06:52] <Tonio_> goldenear: native knot2 or update from dapper ?
[06:52] <goldenear> native knot2
[06:52] <Tonio_> I wish it'll work :)
[06:52] <goldenear> I have a 10Gb free hda2 part
[06:52] <Tonio_> I didn't test any knot* cd so far
[06:53] <goldenear> but the installer doesn't seem to be working
[06:53] <Tonio_> text of express ?
[06:53] <goldenear> the installer of the desktop CD
[06:53] <Tonio_> okay, kubuntu-express then
[06:54] <goldenear> yep
[06:54] <Tonio_> goldenear: I don't know the status of it since Riddell didn't talk to much about that since dapper is out
[06:54] <Tonio_> goldenear: better ask him first :)
[06:54] <goldenear> I choose "use all the free space" and then click next
[06:54] <Tonio_> goldenear: et pis bon on est que deux donc autant parler francais :)
[06:54] <goldenear> but then it stop working (endless waiting mouse cursor)
[06:55] <Tonio_> goldenear: fait un rapport de boggue
[06:55] <goldenear> bah a ne pose pas de pb oui ...
[06:55] <Tonio_> sur le packet kubuntu-express
[06:55] <Tonio_> et assigne le a Riddell
[06:55] <goldenear> par ailleur l'acpi ne fonctionne toujours pas
[06:56] <goldenear> (enfin c'est peut tre normal  partir du CD)
[06:56] <goldenear> en gros a se met en veille, mais au "rveille" l'cran reste noir (comme dans dapper) :(
[06:57] <Tonio_> goldenear: ca il faut voir en fonction du modele
[06:57] <goldenear> je vais tlcharger l'install en mode text pour voir si a marche
[06:57] <Tonio_> et deja voir si globalement ca marche avec d'autres distros
[06:57] <Tonio_> chez moi ca marche plutot bien je dois dire
[06:57] <goldenear> la mise en veille ?
[06:57] <goldenear> suspend
[06:57] <Tonio_> l'install en mode texte marche toujours bien
[06:57] <Tonio_> goldenear: bah sur ma edgy waip ca marchouille bien :)
[06:57] <goldenear> je tlcharge :)
[06:58] <Tonio_> tiens je teste en live pour confirmer que je dis pas de connerie :)
[07:02] <Tonio__> goldenear: ca marche nikel :)
[07:02] <Tonio__> sauf que network-manager pte un peu un cable en sortie de veille :)
[07:02] <Tonio__> mais sinon pour le bureau et tout c'est bien support waip
[07:02] <Tonio__> ah bah voila :)
[07:05] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37669
[07:05] <Tonio_> we need a package for this
[07:09] <Tonio_> _Sime: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39085 heard about that ?
[07:59] <Lure> goldenear: this is know bug in knot2 - it may help if you remove all partitions before starting the installer (it has to do with some strange partition tables)
[08:07] <goldenear> Lure: I can't delete all the partitions... I'm on my laptop and I work with it :)
[08:07] <goldenear> I guess install will work from alternate CD
[08:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: been talking about me?
[08:14] <seaLne> Riddell: i forgot to say when we were talking on fri about my problems (a while ago) getting ubuntu to run on the blade that debian seems to work fine on it so it was specific ubuntu problems, i remember seeing the bug i had closed so not sure if it does work now
[08:15] <Riddell> interesting
[08:23] <Lure> Riddell: I have most of multi-battery support implemented, just do not know what is proper way to implement critical battery level action
[08:24] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that remain time is only reported by one battery at a time (the one that is discharging), so it is hard to estimate total remain time
[08:24] <Lure> Riddell: since the other battery can be empty or full or anything inbetween, it is very hard to tell when critical battery event should fork
[08:25] <Lure> Riddell: any idea?
[08:26] <Lure> Riddell: there is battery.charge_level.capacity_state reported by HAL: on my laptop it is either "ok" or "critical" (when battery is low or almost zero), so one idea is that remain time would be taken into account if all other batteries are "critical", meaning we have only the current left
[08:27] <Riddell> tricky
[08:27] <Lure> Riddell: if there is any other in "ok" state, we hope that one will have enough juice to generate critical event
[08:27] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to look at gnome-power-manager and see how it works it out, but it's probably hard to read that code
[08:27] <Lure> Riddell: good idea, will check if I find some idea
[08:29] <Hawkwind> Can someone tell me a command to use to find out what files come within an installed package ?
[08:29] <Riddell> Hawkwind: dpkg -L foo
[08:30] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Thanks
[08:30] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, aren't there supposed to be .a files included with the libboost-thread-dev package ?
[08:31] <Riddell> not necessarily, a lot of libraries will only have the .so
[08:32] <Hawkwind> So where would the .a files be ?
[08:32] <Hawkwind> I'm asking because of this that someone just asked me about: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/boost/+bug/43368
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43368 in boost "no statically linked library in boost thread" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[08:35] <Hawkwind> Riddell: How would I find out what package the .a file(s) is part of or do they even exist ?
[08:36] <Riddell> they should be in the -dev if they exist
[08:36] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com could help
[08:36] <Riddell> or look at the source
[08:37] <Hawkwind> If they don't exist, is there any reason why they don't, and shouldn't they exist
[08:42] <jdong> Hawkwind: apt-file is helpful to keep around, too
[08:43] <eean> does kubuntu ship kdelibs with debug turned on or are these users on crack? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133864
[08:43] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133864 in general "filebrowser doesn't get updated, kded module needed" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]  
[08:44] <eean> bah thanks Ubugtu 
[08:44] <eean> wrong bug report ;)
[08:44] <eean> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851
[08:44] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 132851 in general "Amarok crashes finding lokal DAAP share" [Crash,Assigned]  
[08:44] <eean> these users are having an assert thrown in kdelibs and claiming their using kubuntu packages
[08:56] <kwwii> re
[08:57] <darklinux> hi
[08:57] <darklinux> srry
[08:59] <jdong> damn, amd64 prices are so low that it depresses me
[08:59] <jdong> someone please talk me out of throwing more money at my socket 754's.....
[09:02] <darklinux> 939 to next month socket f  :-P 
[09:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks for fixing the power manager startup issue
[09:28] <Riddell> eean: we do compile with debug on (and then strip the debug symbols)
[09:29] <eean> Riddell: so all asserts are active? :S
[09:29] <Riddell> I guess so
[09:29] <eean> you should do a s/assert\((*.)$//
[09:30] <eean> and btw I have no idea why this assert is activated
[09:30] <eean> I guess I need to ask some kdelibs folks
[09:32] <eean> Riddell: but seriously, could you look into removing asserts? probably just takes some sort of DEFINE. asserts have no place in production code.
[09:32] <eean> Amarok itself has a strict no-assert policy :) they suck.
[09:32] <Riddell> they do a bit
[09:33] <eean> awesome :)
[10:09] <goldenear> Tonio_: edgy installed :D
[10:11] <goldenear> Tonio_: but some problems : my network card is not detected during install (alternate CD text install) and acpi doesn't work properly (the computer have blank screen after wakeup) :(
[10:35] <Tonio_> goldenear: concerning the networkcarc, was that different with dapper ?
[10:35] <Tonio_> I think you have broadcom stiff no ?
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning power-manager : you're welcome :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: we still need to have a look at the pykdeextensions uncompatible with python 2.5
[10:37] <goldenear> Tonio_: I don't remember I had any problem with my network adapter and dapper
[10:37] <Tonio_> goldenear: hum....... what card is that ?
[10:37] <Tonio_> if it is broadcom, they are not supported out of the box since kernel doesn't include those firmwares
[10:39] <goldenear> Tonio_: 0000:03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 8168 (rev 01)
[10:39] <Tonio_> goldenear: strange.....
[10:40] <goldenear> also my wifi adapter is correctly detected, but the installer provide no way to use it (no way to set ssid and wep/wpa key)
[10:40] <goldenear> That's would be nice if wifi could be used during text install
[10:44] <goldenear> Tonio_: about power-management it's the same with both suspend and hibernate... the computer doesn't repond after wakeup, only a blank screen (but the harddrive led blinks sometime as if there was system activities)
[10:45] <Tonio_> goldenear: hum...
[10:45] <Tonio_> goldenear: bett
[10:45] <Tonio_> r le moment) de jeux Open-Source. Certains sont gratuits, d'autres non - Open-Source ne signifie pas forcment gratuit, il est toujours bon de le rappeler. Les genres sont multiples, mais les jeux de rle (RPG) sont videmment assez nombreux, ainsi que les FPS et bien d'autres types de jeux.
[10:45] <Tonio_> 
[10:45] <Tonio_>  En cherchant bien, vous devriez trouver votre (vos) bonheur(s). Un petit Armagetron Advanced entre INpactiens ne serait pas dplaisant :-)
[10:45] <Tonio_> better reporting this to Riddell or sebas since they develop the tool ;)
[10:45] <Tonio_> I may not be of any help concerning this
[10:45] <goldenear> The keybord doesn't seems to respond anyway... I tryed a blind console switching and echo "hello" > test to see if it works
[10:46] <goldenear> I pretty sure the problem is from a kernel module that doesn't like suspend
[10:47] <goldenear> I'm using suspend2 (and a patched kernel) with dapper and hibernate works properly... The computer wakes up without any problem.
[10:48] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad copy/paste :)
[10:49] <goldenear> Tonio_: tu es INpactiens aussi ? :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> goldenear: arf, je suis grilled :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> goldenear: waip je suis INpactien  mes heures perdues :)
[10:51] <goldenear> ah ah... grilled oui ;) c'est ton petit cot nerd cach :D
[10:55] <kwwii> bitte, wenn du in ein andere Sprache sprechen willst, dann Deutsch ;-)
[10:58] <kwwii> obwohl Jonathan findet es bestimmt schn seinen fhigkeit euch zu verstehen benutzen zu knnen
[10:59] <kwwii> :p
[10:59] <kwwii> soory
[10:59] <goldenear> kwwii: please speak english... it's the only authorized language here ;)
[10:59] <goldenear> Do we speak french ?
[10:59] <goldenear> :D
[11:00] <trappist> !de
[11:00] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:01] <goldenear> lol
[11:03] <kwwii> hehe
[11:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: ;)
[11:05] <kwwii> I am a dick sometimes
[11:12] <Riddell> french is fine with me :)
[11:13] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, that is what I said in german :p
[11:50] <Tonio_> nite all