=== _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] Sime: he only wrote it the other day === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] ** testers needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/ main dapper (or edgy) [01:11] Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/dists/main/edgy/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [01:11] bah [01:12] hehe [01:12] main comes afterwards [01:12] oh, there's no powerpc for edgy [01:12] :-P [01:12] it's still waiting on ruby to be fixed [01:12] that sucks [01:12] I agree === erov [i=j@flipthejig.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] hello erov [01:30] guys, why is kdm installed as order 99 in rc2.d? [01:30] gdm is 13 by default [01:31] and kdm works just fine being 13 [01:31] so, since the last update, I cannot log-out until I kill powermanager [01:31] and it does give the feel of a faster bootup [01:31] is that normal? [01:31] kwwii: yeah, we talked about that earler tiday [01:31] kwwii: I'm not sure what the eventual outcome was, but at least some devs are aware of it [01:31] :-) [01:31] :) [01:32] jdong: hmm, it did used to be at a lower start number, must have got lost in the edgy sync [01:32] that, and it shows an ugly icon I made :-) [01:32] Riddell: k.. I last checked that like a week ago, idn if it's still the case... that was from installing kubuntu-desktop on an edgy ubuntu machine [01:33] Riddell: is there now an extra package for kubuntu-usplash stuff? === jdong has been playing around with bootup speed today [01:33] so far, it's down to around 15-20 seconds to login screen [01:33] and doing anything more will be absolutely reckless [01:33] kwwii: same package (binary kubuntu-artwork-usplash; source kubuntu-default-settings) [01:34] Riddell: funky, never heard of that before :-) [01:34] I noticed it when updating === kwwii reboots, to once again try the usplash...wish me luck! === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549558C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549558C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ can start making a 16 color usplash again [01:40] this is never going to work [01:40] has anyone even seen the new usplash? [01:42] hehe [01:43] so what was the point? [01:44] I noticed the upload, but my usplash never changed [01:44] and usplash on my coreduo is really messed up.. the colors are all wrong and weird [01:45] I'm kind of worried about how this edgy usplash thing will work out [01:45] yeah, me too [01:49] night all [01:49] see you later === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549558C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] umm, no xchat, but the nicks list should not take up 90% of the window.... [02:20] I prefer to be able to see the actual channel, please.... [02:20] morning all [02:22] jdong: The nicklist is resizable in Xchat [02:22] Hobbsee: Hi ya [02:22] heya :) [02:22] Hawkwind: yes, but it happily forgets and defaults to what it thinks is funny every time I open it :) [02:23] jdong: Set it to the size you want, then turn off the resize option in Preferences === Hobbsee notes that selecting kmenu, logout, and hitting turn off computer still doesnt work. [02:23] jdong: Settings -> Preferences -> User List -> Resizable User List [02:23] Hawkwind: thx [02:23] jdong: Make sure Xchat exits cleanly and it should save its state [02:24] k [02:24] jdong: Make sure that setting is *not* checked :) [02:25] Hawkwind: that's very flattering that you told me that, thanks ;) [02:25] I don't think I would've figured it out :) === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-108.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] jdong: Heh. Just trying to be as specific as possible :) [02:25] I know, just messing with you :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@69-87-141-8.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] ddrescue -v edgy-desktop-i386.iso /dev/cdrom [02:36] ^^ the cool person's way of burning edgy cd's :) [02:40] good evening :) [02:42] why the bleep am I not allowed to post to kubuntu-users... I'm subscribed/registered, and I sent the mail to kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] ryanakca: what's the error message? [02:44] hey jjesse [02:45] Hobbsee: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at kubuntu-users-owner@lists.ubuntu.com. [02:45] ryanakca: ahh. great. [02:45] ??? [02:45] what... known problem? user error? [02:46] no idea, sorry === Hobbsee had different problems with the lists [02:48] g [02:48] h? [02:48] i [02:49] J! [02:49] g [02:49] grumble grumble [02:50] aah, is this some code speak or did someone put reiser4 on my computer?? [02:50] jdong: has pebkac occured? [02:50] its callled jjesse can't type a password correctly and th windwo is closign [02:50] s/occured/occurred/ [02:50] lol [02:50] jjesse: ah yes, that's always fun === Hobbsee ntoes that knetworkmanager has stopped saving her pass again [02:51] Hobbsee: nuke all of its settings and empty the wallet entry :) [02:52] jdong: i nuked the settings, forgot about the wallet entry [02:52] Hobbsee: or you could do what I typically do.... [02:52] that is, use gnome in retaliation for a few days [02:53] then get angry about some oversimplification [02:53] then come back to KDE [02:53] haha [02:53] then hop on here and whine about some bug [02:53] Hobbsee: are you the one who is in charge of amarok? looking at bug 23289 [02:53] no thanks, i like the print button [02:53] :) [02:53] Malone bug 23289 in amarok "Amarok 1.3.1 from breezy updates uses all available CPU" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/23289 [02:53] jjesse: imbrandon is [02:53] ah [02:53] ok [02:53] but what did you want to know? [02:54] what version are we using for edgy? 1.4.??? [02:54] yeah [02:55] 1.4.3 [02:55] knowing imbrandon, the one that's been released for more than 3 hours [02:55] :) === jdong hugs all of his #kubuntu-devel buddies [02:55] they're nice to me... unlike that channel without the k :) [02:58] but damn, is tomboy fun :) [02:58] it allows me to carry my terrible organization skills over into the virtual world! [02:58] what is tomboy? [02:58] gnome 2.16's new note taking applet [02:58] a desktop wiki, basically [02:58] similar to knotes, but more intuitive [02:58] oh, is it like Microsoft's onenote? [02:58] I've never used onenote [02:59] oh [02:59] it's very wiki-like in its organization style [02:59] extremely simple in interface [02:59] a bare-bones note taking program, basically [02:59] great for jotting something down [03:01] Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application which is simple and easy to use. It lets you organise your notes intelligently by allowing you to easily link ideas together with Wiki style interconnects. [03:01] ^^ = what jdong said + marketing hype [03:01] ah [03:02] Heh [03:02] Marketing hype is always important :P [03:02] no kidding :) === Hawkwind Market hypes himself [03:07] jdong: i bite :P [03:07] :) [03:07] i'm not nice and friendly :P === Hobbsee knaws off jdong's arm === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-108.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] it was all a conspiracy! [03:08] hah ! I knew it! you kubuntu rebels can't be trusted! [03:08] muhahahaha [03:08] time work work [03:08] er, time for work [03:08] time for me to yell at people again :D [03:09] damn, this is shiny [03:09] "ooh, shiny?" [03:09] my dad's new laptop [03:09] 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM [03:09] nice :) [03:09] what brand? [03:09] Dell :-/ [03:09] ah yes [03:10] work contracted company [03:10] gotcha [03:10] but damn shiny [03:10] hehe [03:10] good battery consumption too, i'll bet [03:10] man, this blows my core duo out of the water [03:10] this dies too quickly for my liking :( [03:10] well gets 4 hours on stock battery [03:10] it's not miraculous [03:10] but it's acceptable [03:10] hah [03:10] the thing's a desktop replacement though [03:10] that's 2 and a half hours more than i get. [03:10] it's humongous [03:10] around 10lbs, not something that I can lug around [03:11] he does heavy cpu work on it [03:11] hehe === Hobbsee doesnt talk in imperial === Hobbsee runs out the door. [03:12] of course, first thing first === jdong sticks in ubuntu livecd :) [03:12] always nice to do some compatibility test [03:12] ing === ryanakca ships jdong a kubuntu cd :P [03:22] :) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] ** testers needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16beta1/ dapper (or edgy) main === nixternal checks it out [03:43] Riddell: Installing now [03:47] Riddell: Installed without issues and everything seems to open and run properly. This is in Dapper here === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:50] whoo! another 5 seconds off bootup === nixternal needs to check the release notes on the new KOffice [03:55] it installed fine and runs fine on edgy [03:58] nixternal: Yep seems to be working fine in my Edgy vmware as well === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.107.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === inam [n=inam@125.22.37.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === inam [n=inam@125.22.37.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] hi everybody ! [08:45] hey inam === Hobbsee waves to this mysterious "everybody" === Hobbsee waves to everyone else in the chnanel [08:46] :) [08:46] im new to linux and kubuntu... i need some help in getting started with downloading the code, modifying it and playing around with it [08:47] apt-get source packagename? [08:47] which package should i start playing with ? i am good with C [08:48] any of them that look interesting? [08:49] i have a dual boot of win-xp (this is my official laptop) and kubuntu (for home :)... i want to change the code so if the machine boots up mon-fri the default option in the GRUB will be winxp and at other times it will be kubuntu [08:50] it might sound silly, but i hope it will get me started on working with linux code, compiling, make etc [08:50] i dont know how to do that, if it's possible. check man grub [08:50] hmmm [08:50] i'll do that [08:50] !grub [08:50] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto === Hobbsee contemplates holidays at the end of next week === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@69-166-74-89.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=sgRFV3IF@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sitter [n=me@campus240.uni-essen.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear_ [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sitter is now known as apachelogger === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.237.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] hi all [12:36] hey toma [12:37] Hobbsee: hi [12:40] no more newsletter in my mail? [12:40] hmm [12:40] i dont konw [12:40] i havent sifted thru my email again [12:41] i just saw that someone's been doign syncs. [12:41] and i'm mentioned, too. cool [12:41] the content pf the newsletter is only on the wiki from now on [12:41] for richer content [12:42] i only see one image (of an empty desktop) on the wiki though ;-) [12:43] heh [12:43] wow, we hit 15K of bugs. [12:50] that can not be good sign ;-) [12:51] yeah [12:51] makes me wonder if we'll ever get them all closed [12:51] you know better [12:51] makes me wonder what they're all in, too [01:04] Riddell: ping? [01:17] anyone running kopete here? [01:17] Hobbsee: i am [01:17] not me ( bitlbee for me ) [01:17] abattoir: can you check bug 46657 for me please? [01:17] Malone bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46657 [01:18] hehe [01:18] Hobbsee: sorry, i dont use AIM :( [01:18] i dont have aim [01:18] ah right [01:18] aim accounts are free [01:19] make a kubnutu_test@aol.com with password test ;) [01:19] and we can all use it to test bugs ;) === imbrandon go's back to trying to figure out python-dcop [01:20] Hobbsee: i can confirm that the error popup is shown... its probably independent of the network... [01:20] abattoir: right. kopete 0.12.2? [01:20] imbrandon: that involves using aim. [01:21] yup === Hobbsee goes to find out what riddell's kopete for edgy changes were. === Hobbsee wonders why Riddell's got a changelog distro of edgy, for a dapper build [01:26] probably becouse it is a backport ;) [01:29] must be === Hobbsee is fixing it. for i386 at least. [01:29] bug 59641 is annoying me [01:29] Malone bug 59641 in kopete "Kopete should not depend on XMMS" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59641 === hunger [n=tobias@p54A632B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] ;) === imbrandon go's back to his konversation chanserv script === imbrandon isnt understanding dcop totaly heh [01:33] lol [01:40] Hobbsee: pong [01:41] Riddell: if i fix your kopete packages, will you stick them onto kubuntu.org please? [01:41] isn't kopete is backports? [01:41] Riddell: true that. want to remove yours then? [01:41] could do [01:42] Riddell: well, you can either fix them, remove them, or be driven nuts. [02:05] I was just informed that my battery was removed when I unplugged my laptop. [02:05] hehe [02:05] hunger: wha'ts more interesting is when it tells you that, when nothing's changed at all [02:05] hunger: g-p-m ? [02:05] kde guidance thingy. [02:05] aah, ok === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549577EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] kwwii_: call that perfect timing, hi :) === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [02:07] hehe [02:07] hi Tm_T [02:07] Tm_T: :) [02:07] I'm trapped to gprs connection, so I play around with inkscape in windows [02:08] I added some gimp effects to this small idea I got: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/blue-curves-002-k-gimp-01.jpg [02:09] pretty much just throwing things together, but I think that could be developed further [02:09] hey kwwii [02:09] hi Tm_T [02:09] Hobbsee: :) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] howdy Hobbsee [02:12] Tm_T: nifty shine effect [02:13] Tm_T: best would be to use the newest version of the logo though [02:13] hmm, that's just gimp "supernova" ;) [02:13] ;-) [02:13] a lense effect [02:13] ...and I didn't find newer, I'm behind sloooow connection so any web search takes minutes to hours [02:13] lost adsl once again [02:14] so only gprs [02:14] also, using lines is kinda tricky, because people tend to have panels and icons everywhere, so no matter where you put lines, it will end up covering part of it [02:14] hehe [02:14] true [02:14] what happened to you adsl? [02:14] no idea [02:15] ouch [02:15] it's been on-off long time now [02:15] not sure if I could handle that :-) [02:15] it's not under my power to do anything about it, I don't own the phone wire you see ;) [02:16] I'm sort of "borrowing" adsl [02:16] heh [02:17] sounds like my life actually :-P [02:17] just been in sick leave once again, hate it [02:17] hehe === kwwii just got back from having a really big lunch [02:18] nice :) [02:18] did you bring some back for us? [02:18] nope, I ate it all myself :-) [02:19] sad. [02:19] big lungs? well that help in diving I guess === Hobbsee boots kwwii for eating all the lunch. [02:21] man, it was sooo goood!!!! A super tender veal steak in white wine sauce with grilled porcino mushrooms === Tm_T is hungry [02:21] I just ate though [02:21] my wife had a goose breast with bread dumplings and kale [02:22] time for a nap, I think [02:22] some formula1 or something, monza -> === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] yo [03:13] Tonio_: i've passed on the question about the paste/auto scroll thingie to a khtml person, let's wait for his reaction [03:13] Tonio_: i browsed through the code a bit yesterday, but it is very complicated code [03:13] al least for me [03:14] toma: hehe great ;) [03:14] toma: you mean about the bug that clicking a textarea also let the autoscroll appear ? [03:14] yep [03:14] toma: did you give him the kde bug id ? [03:14] it is a confirmed issue :) [03:15] see kde bug 131650 [03:15] KDE bug 131650 in khtml event "Pasting with middle-mouse-click into a textarea also activates autoscroll" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131650 [03:15] toma: that was working before 3.5.4.... damn we should have gotten the functionnality then :) [03:15] no, but he found the bug number of the smooth scrolling, so he'll manage ;-) [03:15] toma: ok ;) [03:16] toma: maybe this bug id would be interesting for him since it shows it has been working in the past === Tonio_ still cannot close his kde session........ that's very annoying [03:17] toma: works for you ? [03:18] what? [03:18] pasting without scrolling? [03:18] no [03:21] Tonio_: just stop power-manager and start it again and you can logout [03:22] power-manager blocks all other tray icons to start and also logout by ksmserver [03:22] Lure: argh ! [03:22] we need to change kde-guidance to install a shell scipt in /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager that calls .py with & to fork it in background [03:23] Lure: is sebas aware of this ? [03:23] Tonio_: yes, but it is packaging issue [03:23] Lure: I can fix this [03:23] let me check ;) [03:23] is there a bug report [03:23] ? [03:24] currecltly we make just sym link to .py, but we should put a simple script which calls .py with & at the end [03:24] Tonio_: not sure, but many reported this issue here [03:24] okay, let me checl === Tonio_ notes that klipper didn't start...... [03:25] Lure: ho ! I fixed klipper fyi :) [03:25] maybe I already told you.... [03:25] Tonio_: seen on edgy-changes - so what did you do? [03:25] Lure: explained on the bug on launchpad [03:25] Tonio_: yes, power-manager blockes klipper, adept_updated, kgpg and kbluetooth here [03:26] in fact the build system currently hacks the desktop files [03:26] the problem is that the klipperrc file is called .desktop in the sources :) [03:26] so that /etc/kde3/klipperrc was corrupted [03:26] so I did a debian/rules entry to get that file cleaned before installation in the package and that's it [03:27] Tonio_: wow, this is really stupid bug [03:27] the big thing was to find were was the error [03:27] Lure: the problem is that klipper uses a rc.desktop file for translation, not a .po file [03:27] Tonio_: great that you nailed it down! [03:27] sounds stupid but that's it [03:27] Lure: yes I'm proud of that :) hehe [03:27] ok let's fix guidance now [03:28] Tonio_: I might have new power-manager this evening (multi-battery support), but you should not wait for that [03:28] Lure: you would suggest to fix autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop ? [03:29] Lure: ahhhhhhh [03:29] ok I have it [03:29] Tonio_: no - there is /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager link created - I suspect by post-inst or similar [03:29] Lure: okay I can see it :) [03:29] you would like a script instead [03:29] this should be replaced by simple script with the following content: [03:29] bash script that calls with & and get the app in background [03:30] noticed, I'm doing it [03:30] /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py [03:30] and & at the end ;-) [03:30] yup [03:31] Lure: why did that work before ? [03:31] should have failed too......... [03:31] okay I'll fix that today, thanks for the tip [03:31] Tonio_: I suspect it never did - or did by accident as multiple pm's were started until recent fix [03:32] Tonio_: thank you for fixing this [03:32] Lure: possibly yes [03:32] Lure: thank you for finding this :) === Tonio_ fixes now [03:32] Tonio_: me and sebas did not notice it as we were always running it from shell (to watch messages) [03:33] Tonio_: it was actually sebas who suggested this fix ;-) [03:33] Lure: ah ok ;) === Lure is just gateway ;-) [03:35] hey Tonio_, you forgot hte kopete default settings at the meeting [03:37] Hobbsee: I couldn't be at the meeting sorry :) [03:37] Hobbsee: can you resume the situation please ? [03:37] Tonio_: ahh...of course, yes [03:37] email would be perfect ;) [03:37] Tonio_: at next meeting? [03:38] i suppose we could email it asking for comments to the k-d mailing list [03:38] Hobbsee: are there big changes required ? [03:39] Tonio_: the kopete default settings? you were the one who last replied to it [03:40] Hobbsee: ah yes, those stupid paranioa things :) [03:40] Tonio_: that's the one :) [03:40] Hobbsee: yes I didn't talk about it ;) [03:40] hehe [03:40] Hobbsee: sorry I though it was discuss in dev meeting, like konversation settings [03:41] Hobbsee: I just think that's stupid debate and the meeting took horrible decision concerning this, but yes, I don't want to ignore the meeting se we have to rediscuss this [03:41] ;) [03:41] and I have to force the decision to my opinion :) === Tonio_ loves democraty [03:41] ;) [03:41] Tonio_: i completely forgot about it [03:41] me too [03:42] Tonio_: yeah, particularly when we make up part of quroum :P [03:43] hehe :) [03:46] Lure: package is fixed, I'm testing and uploading [03:47] Tonio_: great [03:48] I'm surprized there is no bug concerning this [03:48] Hobbsee: do you know if there is one ? [03:48] the "impossible to logout" issue [03:50] Tonio_: i havent seen one, no [03:50] Hobbsee: ok thanks === Hobbsee wishes that this 64bit guy would just give up [03:50] it should be clear - "if you want it, fix it. we dont have the people" [03:55] Hobbsee: what does he want? [03:56] abattoir: perfect support ofr 64bit ubuntu, pretty much. [03:56] abattoir: see ubuntu-devel mailing lists [03:57] imbrandon: when will you end kde-pim's color messup by uploading those packages? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] Lure: problem : kde-guidance ftbfs here [04:03] Lure: even the current version unmodified....... [04:03] Tonio_: really? why? [04:03] can someone try to pbuild apt-get source kde-guidance please ? [04:03] Lure: dunno for the moment...... [04:04] Lure: obscur python error === Lure has no clue of kde-guidance package, but should not be complicate as it is python [04:04] File "setup.py", line 19, in [04:04] import kdedistutils [04:04] ImportError: No module named kdedistutils [04:04] that's it...... [04:04] missing builddep ? [04:04] sounds like [04:05] what is strange is that the current version used to be built in the past....... [04:05] I must say I don't understand [04:05] even the current version ftbfs here [04:05] /usr/share/python-support/pykdeextensions/kdedistutils.py [04:05] this is on my system [04:06]