[12:10] <Burgundavia> anybody here I can give feedback on the art to
[12:10] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:21] <kwwii> sure
[12:21] <kwwii> let me have it :-)
[12:21] <kwwii> which art do you mean?
[12:22] <kwwii> ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, or xubuntu?
[12:42] <troy_s> ?
[12:42] <troy_s> burgundavia
[12:53] <Burgundavia> troy_s, kwwii: ubuntu
[12:53] <troy_s> sure...
[12:53] <kwwii> Burgundavia: definitely
[12:53] <Burgundavia> I love the new background, except for one part: the blue on it
[12:54] <Burgundavia> The login splash is just as good as the old one
[12:54] <troy_s> Burgundavia its a nightmare currently... it sort of spiraled from a cmyk to rgb transition
[12:54] <Burgundavia> however, the one piece I would like to see the same is the login screen (gdm theme)
[12:54] <kwwii> blue in the wallpaper?
[12:54] <kwwii> in ubuntu?
[12:54] <kwwii> huh?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> jdub was mentioning how this is the first thing that people see when they walk up to an Ubuntu machine
[12:54] <Burgundavia> the blue in the upper right
[12:55] <troy_s> the gdm has thus far been the most widely acclaimed change.  i don't know how it will change etc.  a large part is determined by the gods.
[12:55] <Burgundavia> plus the new gdm theme is much darker
[12:55] <Burgundavia> if there is one direction our artwork should not go, it is darker
[12:56] <Burgundavia> the old gdm theme was very bright and light, while still maintaining the brown we are famous for
[12:56] <troy_s> contrast is a very important element.  the palette is subject to some refinements though, the problem is tweaking _one_ colour cascades down.  and the palette must work with the existing high vis icons.
[12:56] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:56] <troy_s> its a tricky juggling act.
[12:57] <Burgundavia> if there is one piece of feedback I have recieved almost universally from non-Ubuntu people is that our current backgrounds are too dark
[12:57] <troy_s> needless to say, you will probably be seeing some subtle palette variations soon, and a different lsplash.
[12:57] <Burgundavia> hence why I like how light the new background is
[12:58] <troy_s> Burgundavia personally -- i feel if we just let ubuntu be what it is we gain a certain degree of distinctive look.  the dark dapper wallpaper had a certain mysterious quality to it... possibly related to the contrast between the tonality.
[12:58] <Burgundavia> so please: there is no need to change the login screen from what it was
[12:58] <Burgundavia> from a marketing perspective, it is great
[12:58] <Burgundavia> light, while clearly ours
[12:58] <Burgundavia> and it is the one piece we have never changed
[12:59] <troy_s> your points have been heard.  again though, a good portion of the direction is out of a single persons hands.
[12:59] <troy_s> we shall see how things shape in the coming term.
[01:00] <kwwii> the best thing about edgy is that it is a test platform for edgy+1 :-)
[01:00] <kwwii> anyone have a link to the new wallpaper for ubuntu
[01:00] <Burgundavia> if I send an email to the artwork list, will somebody pass it through the spam filters? (my inbox is too busy to allow me to subscribe to the artwork list)
[01:00] <kwwii> Burgundavia: for your info, I am doing kubuntu artwork, so I am not 100% up to date with ubuntu
[01:01] <troy_s> well the problem currently burg
[01:01] <troy_s> is that we are trying to unify the look / build a visual harmony
[01:01] <troy_s> as of dapper,
[01:01] <troy_s> almost _every_ element is completely disparate
[01:01] <troy_s> there are three primary techniques used to achieve visual harmony
[01:02] <troy_s> and we need to at least give some of them a shot.
[01:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:03] <troy_s> the basic idea is to build a set of images that corresponds nicely with the hardest to change element -- the icons.
[01:04] <Burgundavia> I would build around the login screen, which has the advantage of being one of the lightest elements in the group
[01:04] <troy_s> as sab wants to keep those for the time, and i tend to agree with him
[01:04] <troy_s> well like i said, the palette is relative.
[01:04] <troy_s> it was far darker earlier on
[01:04] <Burgundavia> I get a lot of feedback about how dark the default theme is
[01:04] <troy_s> and has gradually gotten lighter.
[01:04] <Burgundavia> yes, it has
[01:05] <troy_s> needless to say, don't fret too much just yet.
[01:06] <troy_s> i would expect the oil/handcraft to stay
[01:06] <troy_s> but the averages will probably adjust.
[01:06] <troy_s> i would like to get them all back to rgb values, but we shall see what happens this weekend.
[01:07] <troy_s> and regarding the bluer tone
[01:07] <troy_s> that palette is taken from a professional designers palette sheet
[01:07] <troy_s> so it _does_ work, however, the 'shock' of ubuntu not being so monochromatic will probably lead to knee jerk reactions.
[01:19] <kwwii> I have had the same experience with kubuntu
[01:19] <troy_s> well it is one thing to be 'brown' tonally, another thing entirely to be monochromatic.
[01:19] <kwwii> exactly
[01:20] <troy_s> i would argue that the bulk of people's dissapointment with the brown was the monochromatic application.
[01:20] <kwwii> you cannot limit an artist to one color, or you will get one-color-boring ideas
[01:20] <troy_s> well... apple did ok with one colour that isn't even a bloody colour
[01:20] <troy_s> :)
[01:50] <kwwii_> night all
[01:50] <kwwii_> time for bed
[02:12] <Burgundavia> troy_s: yes, but never underestimate the marketing power of consistency
[02:12] <troy_s> Burgundavia which is exactly the point of the edgy cycle
[02:13] <Burgundavia> sorry?
[02:13] <troy_s> the real issue at stake is: what exactly is consistent in ubuntu
[02:13] <Burgundavia> ye
[02:13] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:13] <troy_s> and after hours of looking over the elements
[02:13] <troy_s> and what we can and cannot change in a single cycle
[02:13] <troy_s> we end up being bound to the high visibility elements -- like icons
[02:13] <Burgundavia> the consistency I am talking about the changing of the login screen
[02:13] <troy_s> that said, orange is out of the question, as the orange was intended originally as a highlight and was taken out of context a little.
[02:14] <troy_s> and accent
[02:14] <troy_s> the problem with the logon screen as it _currently_ is in dapper is quite easy:
[02:14] <troy_s> 1) it is generated, which is a far cry from human, organic, etc.
[02:14] <Burgundavia> generated?
[02:15] <troy_s> 2) it is a radial grad, which feels very mechanical.
[02:15] <troy_s> 3) the square elements in ubuntu need to be refined to match the more rounded feels of the icons, etc.
[02:15] <troy_s> 4) the palette is different from the icons by a hue factor.
[02:16] <troy_s> 5) if you keep the original, then you would need to keep _some_ motif, and unfortunately it has _none_ that relate to the rest of the look
[02:16] <troy_s> just a few points, and there are more.
[02:16] <Burgundavia> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/install-docs-ubuntu_files/image032.jpg <-- you can make the elements square
[02:16] <Burgundavia> less square, rather
[02:16] <Burgundavia> but the glow is something I would keep
[02:16] <troy_s> the glow is still there.
[02:17] <troy_s> the primary issue is that the palette is completely all over the map for ubuntu
[02:17] <Burgundavia> right
[02:17] <troy_s> that is a long term problem, and one that most people react to when they say that they don't like brown.
[02:17] <Burgundavia> nothing I am saying is disagreeing with you
[02:17] <troy_s> which is a far generalistic issue.
[02:17] <Burgundavia> I saying one thing: "Keep the general look of the login screen, including palette and tone"
[02:18] <Burgundavia> how the rest of the artwork fits into that is something for the artwork types, not hte marketing ones
[02:18] <troy_s> the problem is that
[02:18] <troy_s> the icons don't match the dapper palette
[02:18] <troy_s> and the icons, as per sabdfl, aren't changing.
[02:18] <troy_s> rather
[02:18] <troy_s> the dapper gdm
[02:18] <troy_s> in fact, the gdm is about a contextually out of touch with the distribution as any portion.
[02:19] <troy_s> so if the proposed solution is to keep the gdm from dapper
[02:19] <troy_s> then we must retrofit _everything_ around that palette
[02:19] <troy_s> and the nonexistent motif
[02:19] <troy_s> which is entirely a problematic mission unto itself.
[02:19] <troy_s> there simply isn't any easy solution unfortunately.
[02:19] <troy_s> it is tricky from the bottom up
[02:19] <Burgundavia> right
[02:20] <Burgundavia> but the icon theme does not clash with the general theme of the dapper (and earlier) login screen
[02:20] <troy_s> generally, i am more of the gentle pulling and trying to establish a few motifs to build around.
[02:20] <Burgundavia> remember, we have not changed the login screen
[02:20] <troy_s> actually it does
[02:20] <troy_s> on about every level
[02:20] <troy_s> from palette to tones to motif
[02:20] <Burgundavia> motif?
[02:21] <troy_s> a reoccurring element.  the gdm lacks one, the icons _sort_ of have one (the trademark curve) etc.
[02:21] <Burgundavia> right
[02:21] <troy_s> thematic harmony
[02:21] <troy_s> on a very subtle level.
[02:22] <Burgundavia> ok, fair enough
[02:22] <Burgundavia> however, the current edgy login screen looks *totally* different from the previous one
[02:22] <Burgundavia> this is totally unacceptable, from a marketing position
[02:22] <troy_s> well, totally isn't entirely correct.  there is an underlying element below it that is identical to the original.
[02:22] <Burgundavia> if we are going to change the login screen, it must be iterative
[02:22] <troy_s> something _has_ to give
[02:22] <troy_s> something will break
[02:23] <Burgundavia> then break something else
[02:23] <troy_s> from an aesthetic standpoint, you can't keep the gdm AND try to integrate a new background AND keep aesthetic harmony
[02:23] <Burgundavia> the login screen is too important
[02:23] <troy_s> like i said, it isn't set in stone yet.
[02:23] <troy_s> nor even close
[02:23] <troy_s> ultimately, edgy might look identical to dapper
[02:24] <Burgundavia> sorry?
[02:24] <troy_s> sabdfl calls the shots.
[02:24] <troy_s> and from a marketing standpoint
[02:24] <Burgundavia> I understand that
[02:24] <troy_s> if you are going to issue from that vantage
[02:24] <troy_s> you know about the term life cycle correct?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> remember, I have been around Ubuntu since October 2004. I was at Mataro
[02:24] <troy_s> i am not questioning your dedication or otherwise.
[02:25] <troy_s> i am just saying that we need to discuss all of this and reconcile it further
[02:25] <troy_s> i would like to try and keep it as evolutionary feeling as possible
[02:25] <Burgundavia> no, I merely mentioning that I have been around awhiel and thus understand how sabdfl works
[02:25] <troy_s> right now, i think the issue at hand is:
[02:26] <troy_s> realizing that almost everyone agrees that aesthetic harmony is a bit of a priority.
[02:26] <troy_s> 2) change will always invoke issues.  period.
[02:26] <Burgundavia> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=718&slide=15 <-- this background is very nice
[02:26] <Burgundavia> is is also clearly in the same palette range as the login screen
[02:26] <troy_s> 3) no, its closer though.  the problem is more that i don't think sabdfl likes the lighter tones.
[02:27] <troy_s> jmak did that one i believe
[02:27] <Burgundavia> try changing them lighter and see what happens
[02:27] <troy_s> well that's certainly on the agenda
[02:27] <troy_s> there _will_ be changes
[02:27] <troy_s> the real test is to sit with all of the elements jumbled in a pile and look at them
[02:27] <troy_s> they should all fit together like a puzzle
[02:28] <Burgundavia> well, I hear you talking a lot of the "agenda" but the only changes I see have gone in the other direction
[02:28] <troy_s> which is currently _far_ away from where dapper is.
[02:28] <Burgundavia> and it is already Sept 9th
[02:28] <troy_s> i don't mind if the art stays the way it is actually.  this isn't a personal mandate by any stretch of the imagination.
[02:28] <Burgundavia> the way it is being dapper or the current edfgy stuff?
[02:29] <troy_s> well sabdfl has yet to weigh in on a quite a bit of the points.  he is damn busy at the moment.
[02:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, you realize you have actually passed the artwork freeze?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> as that wqas Sept 7th
[02:31] <troy_s> um.
[02:31] <troy_s> yes.
[02:31] <Burgundavia> putting on my other hat of documentation team,
[02:31] <Burgundavia> you had better decided quicklyt
[02:31] <troy_s> might i also remind you that i am not the AiC.
[02:31] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:31] <troy_s> it isn't for me to decide.  the best i can do is try to get responses out of sabdfl.
[02:31] <troy_s> and _that_ is quite a task.
[02:32] <troy_s> the rapport is increasing, but it takes a helluva lot of work and my time is very slim.
[02:32] <Burgundavia> sabdfl has a habit of liking to hcange the artwork very late in the cycle
[02:32] <Burgundavia> drives the documentation team nuts
[02:32] <troy_s> well... we tried to avoid that.
[02:32] <troy_s> and so far, we have been successful.
[02:32] <Burgundavia> they changed it for hoary 3 days before release
[02:32] <troy_s> notice how this discussion is coming up _now_ :)
[02:32] <troy_s> yes... ugly stuff.
[02:33] <troy_s> trying to get into a schedule deadline is quite a bit of work.
[02:33] <troy_s> having done this for a while (the creative end of things) this is a _very_ tricky situation on _so_ many new level.s
[02:35] <troy_s> i plan on trying to accomodate a plethora of requests tonite, and yours will be at the top of the pile.  believe me.
[02:36] <troy_s> hopefully we can come to some sort of negotiated middle ground that works with the icons and the rest of the thematic elements of ubuntu.
[02:36] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:36] <troy_s> again, one of the problems of a distinct lack of design docs
[02:36] <troy_s> but luckily even the term ubuntu connotes a certain degree of aesthetic
[02:37] <Burgundavia> indeed
[02:37] <Burgundavia> tbh, given we are already passed feature freeze, I think we should just leave the dapper artwork in place and work on non-default artwork
[02:38] <Burgundavia> the only thing I would chnage might be the desktop background, but I would want to be within monday or tuesday
[02:38] <troy_s> well... again, it will be sabdfl's call.  not mine.  i get pinched in this merely because i care about ubuntu's look and feel.
[02:40] <troy_s> you also put me in a darn tough spot because
[02:40] <troy_s> up to now, the most postive feedback from the forums, my private mail, the fridge, etc have all been about the new gdm look.
[02:40] <troy_s> laf.
[02:40] <troy_s> oops... i can't say laf anymore... lmao.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> troy_s: is the login screen, splash and background available somewhere for me to link to as part of the UWN?
[06:11] <troy_s> sorry Burgundavia, i was afk
[06:11] <troy_s> You need a link to the images?  Hrm... I think Frank was drafting a page on the wiki relevant to all of the elements.
[06:12] <Burgundavia> I kind of need it in about 3 hours, so I might do the images myself
[06:12] <troy_s> Eek.
[10:31] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/usplash_rlsl_2.gif
[10:37] <troy_s> great work sik
[10:37] <troy_s> just mailed you
[10:38] <msikma> Thanks, I just read it
[10:39] <msikma> I think that if moving the logo up instead of in the center, it might be neat to not use a purely round radial light for the background, but rather a slightly tilted spotlight
[10:39] <troy_s> sure try it.
[10:39] <troy_s> see if we can hit phi with the circle
[10:39] <troy_s> lighten the background to a nice shade
[10:39] <troy_s> and see how the changes work out.
[10:49] <msikma> I've got a pretty nice design now but the difficulty lies in making the dithering work right
[10:49] <msikma> the background is lighter now and the dithering is more apparent that way
[10:50] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/usplash_rlsl_3.gif
[10:51] <msikma> we just broke an important technical barrier for usplash and already I'm wishing we had 16m colors :)
[10:57] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/usplash_rlsl_4.gif
[11:22] <BHSPitLappy> night
[11:23] <BHSPitLappy> also, preeeeeetty.
[11:24] <BHSPitLappy> I like 3 a little better than 4. It doesn't have to be really dark
[11:24] <msikma> 4 is mostly about a subtle hue shift closer to brown
[11:26] <BHSPitLappy> true, but it also removes that saturated area that filled the middle of 3
[11:26] <BHSPitLappy> all very pretty though... how are these getting made?
[11:30] <msikma> just photoshop
[11:30] <msikma> it has support for very basic animation
[11:30] <msikma> (depending on the state of the layers)
[11:34] <BHSPitLappy> wow, that's good photoshop
[11:34] <BHSPitLappy> although that's not very linux-purist-friendly ;P
[11:37] <Seveas> msikma, it moves a bit too fast imho
[11:38] <msikma> Perhaps, the movement speed can be determined later on anyway, when it's all in place in the new usplash code.
[11:48] <PingunZ> Hey all
[11:49] <PingunZ> I need a favor, I'm making ubuntu splashes ( for apps like OOo, gimp, .. ). I need a .svg template, I'm not experienced enough with inkscape myself, so could anyone make a template for me ?
[11:50] <PingunZ> Atm I have this : http://pingunz.deviantart.com/gallery/?order=5&search=Splash
[11:51] <PingunZ> So basically, I need a background image .. maybe some effects on it and a template text
[11:51] <Burgundavia> PingunZ: sure, but be aware, ubuntu will not brand programs that heavily by default
[11:52] <PingunZ> Burgundavia: I know that the chance that they get included is really small but I could put it on gnome-look or whatever ..
[11:52] <PingunZ> See, I just want a complete splash serie ..
[11:55] <PingunZ> Burgundavia: Could you make one for me ?
[11:55] <Burgundavia> not currently, as it is almost 3am here and I am trying to get to sleep
[11:57] <PingunZ> Ok, good night
[12:12] <PingunZ> troy_s: ping ! read up, could you make a splash-template for me ?
[12:30] <msikma> if you become active again, troy, maybe we could wrap up the new usplash.
[12:30] <msikma> I'm going afk
[12:40] <PingunZ> Yay, I found a nice splash background, it rocks !!
[12:51] <PingunZ> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39553675/
[12:52] <PingunZ> I'm making one for gimp / openoffice and xara too
[01:13] <PingunZ> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39528250/
[01:13] <PingunZ> Made an opeoffice one too
[01:19] <effraie> maybe it where great in orange?
[01:20] <PingunZ> Easy to change .. I have it in .svg
[02:12] <msikma> effraie: "maybe it where great in orange"?
[02:13] <effraie> yes?
[02:14] <effraie> do you want something?
[02:16] <msikma> Do you mean that PingunZ should make it orange? Because I totally did not understand what you said there.
[02:17] <effraie> yes, that was what i mean
[02:18] <msikma> Okay, I see
[02:42] <PingunZ> Thadam, gimp splash done too
[02:42] <PingunZ> ( was out for lunch )
[02:42] <PingunZ> I'll see if I can make it orange effraie
[02:43] <PingunZ> shite, the gimp logo doesn't scale well
[02:45] <effraie> look here : http://ubunteros.free.fr/dotclear/images/oooubuntusplashorange.bmp
[02:47] <PingunZ> effraie: That kind of orange ? or that background ?
[02:47] <PingunZ> you could send me the background ..
[02:48] <effraie> no, i'cant... it's not mine.
[02:48] <effraie> but maybe you can contact the author? i found it on that blog
[02:48] <PingunZ> Oh, well I like my image more, but I could check how it looks in orange ..
[02:49] <PingunZ> http://zone13.digitalgrafis.com/files/intelmac_red_16001024_notxt.jpg
[03:17] <msikma> That background doesn't work well for the Ubuntu logo.
[03:17] <msikma> It blends in too much.
[03:20] <coz_> if you want.. take a look at some of my new wall paper posts   ming/ =-=-= Start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork =-=-= Tasks at http://www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs =-=-= IRC Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ =-=-=
[03:20] <coz_> * Topic for #ubuntu-artwork set by troy_s at Mon Sep 04 18:40:15 2006
[03:21] <PingunZ> msikma: you like my splashes ?
[03:22] <coz_>  Sorry bad copy paste up there         http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3462&cat=500&ppuser=44394
[03:22] <msikma> I do, but you should make them all consistent with the Banshee splash you made.
[03:22] <msikma> E.g. that format, a nicely rendered version of its icon used twice.
[03:22] <msikma> I don't think that the designs are very "Ubuntu", though
[03:22] <msikma> (Not just because they don't use the typical Ubuntu color set)
[03:24] <PingunZ> msikma: You have a point there ..
[03:24] <PingunZ> They are more suse-like
[03:25] <msikma> indeed
[03:25] <msikma> I've never seen striped used like that in Ubuntu before
[03:26] <PingunZ> I was asking for a background like the striped here this morning
[03:26] <PingunZ> but nobody replied to me so I just grabbed one from google
[03:31] <PingunZ> msikma: Could you make me a .svg template ?
[03:31] <msikma> svg template?
[03:31] <msikma> You mean a base to work with?
[03:31] <PingunZ> yup:)
[03:32] <PingunZ> I'm an Inkscape anti-hero :)
[03:32] <msikma> why would you want to use svg for this? They aren't scalable.
[03:32] <PingunZ> No, but I could easily scale them, and move/remove items
[03:32] <PingunZ> they are all based on the same .svg file
[04:28] <troy_s> msikma -- sorry man... i was in bed.
[05:45] <cbx33> ARGH
[05:45] <cbx33> this is ticking me off
[05:45] <PingunZ> What is ?
[05:45] <cbx33> usplash
[05:46] <PingunZ> Are you making a theme for it or trying to get it to work ?
[05:46] <cbx33> trying to get it to load the theme
[05:47] <cbx33> I just keep getting the test screen
[05:47] <cbx33> I know someone who has got it to work
[05:47] <cbx33> I've made my .so file
[05:47] <cbx33> I'm working on edubuntu
[05:47] <cbx33> it sets up /etc/alternatives....
[05:47] <cbx33> I have replaced the /usr/lib/edubuntu-usplash.so with my new one
[05:47] <PingunZ> Hmm
[05:48] <PingunZ> ask se.veas
[05:48] <cbx33> I've changes the symlink in /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so to point to that file
[05:48] <cbx33> yeh, he's not around at the mo
[05:48] <PingunZ> He patched it ..
[05:48] <cbx33> I know
[05:48] <PingunZ> !ping Seveas
[05:48] <Seveas> cbx33, update-initramfs -u
[05:50] <cbx33> oooh thanky
[05:50] <cbx33> Seveas I am a little concerned ;)
[05:51] <cbx33> the symlinks point to each other on a default edubuntu install
[05:51] <cbx33> p /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so points to /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so
[05:51] <cbx33> and visa versa
[05:52] <Seveas> cbx33, errr that's not good
[05:52] <cbx33> yeh I know
[05:52] <cbx33> circular resolutions ;)
[05:52] <Seveas> /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so should point somewhere else
[05:52] <cbx33> whre should it point?
[05:52] <Seveas> usplash-artwork-edubuntu.so
[05:52] <cbx33> well my artwork didn;t work :(
[05:53] <cbx33> i just got a black screen
[05:53] <cbx33> crap
[05:53] <cbx33> I broke it
[05:53] <cbx33> I must be mega stupid
[05:53] <cbx33> does this mean I did it wrong Seveas ;)
[05:56] <cbx33> why did it go wrong ?
[06:03] <cbx33> Seveas it appeared to make the .so ok
[06:04] <Seveas> cbx33, tar up your theme and e-mail it
[06:04] <cbx33> Seveas I used the kubuntu one
[06:04] <cbx33> changed the images
[06:04] <cbx33> and just make on it
[06:04] <cbx33> would that work?
[06:04] <cbx33> ogra said he did it that way
[06:04] <Seveas> depends on the images
[06:05] <Seveas> all same 256 color palette?
[06:05] <cbx33> they are png 356 colours
[06:05] <cbx33> 256
[06:05] <cbx33> sorry
[06:05] <cbx33> yes
[06:05] <cbx33> oh....
[06:05] <cbx33> possibly not the same pallete
[06:05] <cbx33> crap
[06:05] <cbx33> didn't know they had to all have the same pallete
[06:05] <cbx33> do the throbbers have to have the same pallete as well?
[06:05] <Seveas> http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/resources/palettes/howto.html
[06:05] <Seveas> ys
[06:05] <Seveas> yes*
[06:06] <Seveas> all images must have the exact same pallette
[06:06] <cbx33> ok would taht result in a black screen
[06:06] <cbx33> and total system breakage ?
[06:06] <cbx33> ;)
[06:06] <Seveas> black screen is possible
[06:06] <cbx33> it didn;t boot at all
[06:06] <Seveas> that shouldn't happen
[06:06] <cbx33> ok
[06:06] <cbx33> well I'll try the pallete thing
[06:14] <cbx33> ok I have the new images
[06:14] <cbx33> gonna try building now
[06:14] <cbx33> if not I'll mail to you so you can tell me what an idiot ive been ;)
[06:21] <cbx33> Seveas i have breakage
[06:21] <cbx33> :(
[06:21] <cbx33> I'm mailing you the images
[06:21] <cbx33> the throbbers look odd but ignore that for now
[06:28] <Seveas> did you mail it yet?
[07:32] <cbx33> Seveas just doing it now
[07:37] <cbx33> Seveas sent !
[08:03] <Seveas> cbx33, I'm not getting them
[08:04] <Seveas> cbx33, heh, the spamfilter caught them
[08:26] <fschoep> Good evening everyone
[08:27] <cbx33> hi fs
[08:27] <fschoep> Doing fine?
[08:27] <cbx33> howaz you dude
[08:28] <fschoep> Fine, thanks
[08:28] <fschoep> Reading up on my mail now
[08:28] <cbx33> heheh
[08:28] <cbx33> good good
[08:31] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[08:37] <troy_s> fschoep
[08:37] <troy_s> msikma ping
[08:37] <troy_s> evening to you perhaps
[08:37] <msikma> Hi
[08:37] <fschoep> Hello
[08:37] <troy_s> how are you doing fschoep
[08:37] <fschoep> Fine thanks
[08:37] <fschoep> You?
[08:37] <troy_s> sorry msikma, i had to go to sleep over here.
[08:38] <troy_s> i wasn't ignoring you.
[08:38] <troy_s> good thanks fschoep
[08:38] <msikma> That's okay
[08:38] <msikma> (didn't think you were)
[08:56] <kwwii> re
[11:25] <troy_s> ping msikma