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| jdong | man, having readahead reprofile itself makes a significant impact in bootup speed on ALL of my ubuntu boxes! | 12:22 |
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| jdong | lol | 12:48 |
| jdub | tseng: rad! what formfactor is that one? 14" inch? | 12:51 |
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| hikenboot | hello all --there is a package called ubuntu-desktop...it says its unnecessary but removing it will prevent packages from being installed....is this correct? | 01:35 |
| azeem | hikenboot: please ask in #ubuntu | 01:36 |
| hikenboot | ok sorry | 01:36 |
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| Xoritor | i have hit a bug... | 02:19 |
| Xoritor | just letting you guys know | 02:19 |
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| Xoritor | can anyone tell me the proper place to file a bug report for edgy? | 02:20 |
| jdong | launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu | 02:20 |
| Xoritor | ok well im there already... | 02:20 |
| Xoritor | do i have to "sign up" to file a bug? | 02:21 |
| Xoritor | i really dont want to do that | 02:21 |
| jdong | yes, you have to make a launchpad account | 02:21 |
| jdong | sorry | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | !bug | 02:21 |
| Xoritor | bleh | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | eh | 02:21 |
| jdong | it's not a very demanding form | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | !bug > Xoritor | 02:21 |
| Xoritor | yea but its just annoying | 02:21 |
| Xoritor | thx | 02:21 |
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| Xoritor | i just hate "joining" things | 02:22 |
| Xoritor | my issue though so i will not voice my "volumes of issues" here ;-) | 02:22 |
| Xoritor | well ill have to wait for "an hour or two" for the message to arrive... even more annoying | 02:23 |
| Xoritor | maybe you can answer this question and tell me if i even NEED to file a bug | 02:25 |
| Xoritor | Setting up console-setup (1.7ubuntu6) ... | 02:25 |
| mbiebl | Kamion_: I was just wondering, why ubuntu-minimal depends on console-tools and console-setup. | 02:26 |
| mbiebl | Do they complement each other? | 02:26 |
| Xoritor | it ran for over an hour the first time... and some long time after that... i think 3 hours | 02:26 |
| Xoritor | and this time its running again... | 02:27 |
| mbiebl | Seems to me, as if they both do basically the same. | 02:27 |
| jdong | Xoritor: it shouldn't run for hours..... :-/ | 02:28 |
| Xoritor | jdong, thats what i thought! | 02:28 |
| Xoritor | heh | 02:28 |
| jdong | Xoritor: is your computer reasonably modern? | 02:28 |
| jdong | i.e. not below 300MHz :) | 02:28 |
| Xoritor | p4 3ghz 2gb ram | 02:28 |
| jdong | LOL, screw that thought! | 02:29 |
| Xoritor | wd raptor 74gb | 02:29 |
| jdong | holy..... | 02:29 |
| jdong | yeah, I suggest bug reporting that... very strange behavior | 02:29 |
| jdong | put it on the console-setup package | 02:29 |
| Xoritor | k | 02:29 |
| Xoritor | thx | 02:29 |
| jdong | thx for your patience, sorry about your problems :( | 02:29 |
| Burgundavia | mdz: hmm, just noticed edgy schedule has no artwork freeze | 02:29 |
| Xoritor | you think using "time apt-get -f install" would be of any use? | 02:30 |
| Xoritor | jdong, no problem... | 02:30 |
| mdz | Burgundavia: artwork is a feature | 02:30 |
| mdz | as written in the edgy release plan spec | 02:30 |
| Xoritor | its not a big issue really everything seems to be working fine on that box other than that | 02:30 |
| mdz | same issues, same deadlines | 02:30 |
| jdong | Xoritor: i don't think timing that would be any use.... console-setup takes less than a second usually | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | ok, which means we are passed the freeze | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | just wondering | 02:30 |
| Xoritor | jdong, again thx | 02:30 |
| jdong | np | 02:31 |
| Xoritor | hmm | 02:34 |
| Xoritor | i seem to have found the issue | 02:34 |
| Xoritor | the file /etc/default/console-setup does not exist | 02:34 |
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| Deeah | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/jagn0J82.html | 02:37 |
| Deeah | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Sc9zqT18.html | 02:38 |
| Deeah | Check the second link not the first, something is wrong with adduser. | 02:38 |
| z\ | fabbione ping | 02:42 |
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| Xoritor | hey i fixed it! | 02:45 |
| Xoritor | heh | 02:45 |
| Deeah | Xoritor: adduser? | 02:49 |
| Xoritor | Deeah, no... my issue with console-setup | 02:49 |
| Xoritor | jdong, i am prolly still going to file a bug report and post my solution in case it will help others | 02:52 |
| jdong | k, sounds good | 02:52 |
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| jdong | alright, everyone, look out.... | 03:13 |
| === jdong got a brand-new loaner Core Duo T2600 valued at around $3000 bucks.... and is inserting a edgy daily into it | ||
| z\ | fabbione ping | 03:14 |
| jdong | malone, I'm coming your way :) | 03:14 |
| jdong | usplash.... success! | 03:14 |
| jdong | sound..... success! | 03:16 |
| jdong | damn 1900x1200 looks great | 03:17 |
| jdong | you guys are in the clear -- ubuntu is certified working OOTB on this laptop | 03:19 |
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| mdz | Burgundavia: right, the artwork which is in now should be basically complete, though it will get bugfixes and tweaks as other features will | 03:22 |
| jdub | jdong: JDONG CERTIFIED (tm) | 03:22 |
| jdong | :) | 03:22 |
| jdong | heh, but it does suffer from C3-sleep-whine syndrome | 03:23 |
| jdong | meh, hardware problem | 03:23 |
| mjg59 | We'll go tickless and it'll be fine | 03:23 |
| jdong | ooh, when will we go tickless? | 03:24 |
| jdong | mjg59: you are gonna make me drool all over this shiny new laptop | 03:24 |
| mjg59 | Edgy+1, with luck | 03:24 |
| jdong | k, cool | 03:25 |
| === jdong not too discontent with C2 anyway | ||
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| Burgundavia | mdz: hmm, ok | 03:39 |
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| jdong | who does readahead? | 03:48 |
| === jdong just made some discoveries | ||
| jdong | namely, bootup is faster if readahead is not backgrounded | 03:48 |
| jdong | I'd venture to say that's because when readahead is daemonized, it leads to more disk seeking | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | jdong: Mithrandir or Kamion_ woudl be the people to talk to | 03:54 |
| jdong | Burgundavia: thx; I'll launchpad it for now | 03:55 |
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| wasabi | initramfs evms stuff got busted on my system again. root=/dev/evms/root resulted in panic, unable to mount root, no device "evms/root" | 05:01 |
| wasabi | prolly just a shell script error. | 05:01 |
| wasabi | The following NEW packages will be installed: liboobs-1-1 | 05:03 |
| wasabi | nice. ;) | 05:03 |
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| _ion | Preconfiguring packages ... | 05:41 |
| _ion | It's just standing there. :-) console-setup.config is eating the CPU. load average: 2.83, 2.35, 1.47 | 05:41 |
| _ion | root 14449 15.5 0.6 4628 2348 pts/2 R+ 06:33 1:38 /bin/bash /tmp/console-setup.config.144313 configure | 05:44 |
| _ion | It's been running for >10 minutes. | 05:45 |
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| === _ion hopes his proposed solution to bug #45385 has been noticed. | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 45385 in edgy-wallpapers "no wallpaper for dual head/very wide screen monitors" [Wishlist,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45385 | 06:25 |
| Burgundavia | _ion: they are coming. The changelog explicitly mentions it | 06:25 |
| _ion | burgundavia: Please read the comment first. The _don't need_ to be coming, thanks to a new feature in Gnome 2.16. | 06:26 |
| jdub | _ion: using zoom? | 06:27 |
| _ion | Yes. | 06:27 |
| jdub | worthy in so many ways | 06:27 |
| === _ion is using the default edgy wallpaper with its 8:3 (dualscreen) setup, and it looks just fine. | ||
| _ion | s/its/his/ | 06:28 |
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| diana | In edgy can anyone confirm that nautilus doesn't show any files as view list opposed to view as icons? When I go to "View as List" no files show, just blank white. | 06:54 |
| diana | View as icons seems to work fine for me, but not view as list. I wanted confirmation before I file a bug. | 06:55 |
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| diana | Lure: you here? | 07:03 |
| Lure | diana: yep | 07:03 |
| diana | Lure: You running edgy? | 07:03 |
| Lure | yes | 07:03 |
| diana | Lure can you confirm for me that nautilus doesn't show any files as view list opposed to view as icons? When I go to "View as List" no files show, just blank white. View as icons seems to work fine for me, but not view as list. I wanted confirmation before I file a bug. | 07:04 |
| Lure | diana: I can not - I am running KDE/Kubuntu | 07:04 |
| _ion | Worksforme | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | Works for me(r)(c)(tm) as well. | 07:06 |
| diana | k, thanks | 07:09 |
| _ion | Yay, finally i can remove hplip, the accessibility stuff, the bluetooth stuff and scim while keeping ubuntu-desktop installed. | 07:15 |
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| mempf | I can't save in openoffice | 08:56 |
| mempf | it just crashes, is this a known problem? | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | mempf: is where you're saving to writable by the user? | 08:56 |
| mempf | yes | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: I need a feature for UWN. Got a cool Kubuntu one? | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: hmmmm.... | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, KDE4 Krash "working" on Kubuntu edgy ;) | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | already talked about that | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | amarok 1.4.3 | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | features are features in dapper | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | ah hmm | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | katapult? | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: katapult would work, if you wanted to | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | can you write up a couple of sentences a screenshot of dapper katapult? | 09:06 |
| === Hobbsee is doing an assignment. or will be | ||
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: ok. imbrandon could you provide the love to me? | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | by provide, I mean write. By love, I mean two or three sentences on what katapult does plus a screenshot | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, sure, do you need it this moment? or do i have a bit ? ( i would need to install dapper in a VM , i only have edgy boxen atm )' | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: you have a great deal of time. By great deal, I mean at least 30 minutes ;) | 09:09 |
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| imbrandon | Burgundavia, hehe ok | 09:10 |
| Burgundavia | seriously, I will find another ubuntu feature, but I like to make certain the derivs get the love too | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, lemme grab a soda and i'll get on it | 09:10 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 09:10 |
| Burgundavia | you will even get your name in the editors of this weeks UWN | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it looks the same | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, nah we just added transparency to the new one and i have updated ;( | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, but no biggie | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | bah. close enough | 09:11 |
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| troy_s | Anyone have any luck with edgy in vmware-player -- after the updates I can't seem to boot it. | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | troy_s, yea its kinda broke atm | 09:16 |
| troy_s | eek | 09:16 |
| troy_s | well this is booting from dapper. the edgy image no likey. | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | troy_s, the only solution i have found so far is to use the vmware server from the website ( not the packages ) and compile a new kernel module | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | ohhhh | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | yea edgy i can boot from dapper | 09:17 |
| troy_s | grr... have you updated it imbrandon ? | 09:17 |
| troy_s | mine is hanging when it is trying to mount /root | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | the vmware issue appears to be a dbus one | 09:19 |
| troy_s | yeah i read about the edgy vmware player issues, but it should work fine on dapper. (although i'm on 64 bit and the 64bit edgy didn't install) | 09:20 |
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| imbrandon | Burgundavia, ok almost done ..... | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, you'll probably have to proof this descrip, i'm not the best writer but it gets the point accross ;) | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | add it to the page and I will proof it | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | yup, almost done | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | ok Burgundavia whats the link to the "working" page | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | got it ready, well enough for you to "touch-up" hehe | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13 | 09:38 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: going to html -> text it for the email this week? maybe do html email? | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | not going todo the second, but I will play with the first | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | I have been thinking about doing it more int he styel fo the gentoo and fedora wn, who only ship a toc | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | s/ship/toc | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | s/ship/mail/ (ok, I am tired) | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, ok text added, now to figure out how to add the screenshot | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | just add the url, upload it somewhere else | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | k | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | moins image handling sucks too much | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:44 |
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| imbrandon | holy jesus, i put the url and it put it inline , hehe, guess i need to scale it a bit | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | right, then do | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | [image_url thumb_url] | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok nice, fixing now | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | ok much better, ok i'm done Burgundavia, work your magic ;) | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: cheers | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | gah already found a typo , s/atl+spacebar/alt+spacebar please while editing Burgundavia | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | got it | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: can you make a thumb about half the size? | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | sure, i'll reupload to the same spot , so it will just pick it right up | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: I don't see html2txt on the default install. Which package is that? | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | ok uploaded Burgundavia, should pick it up on refresh | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | err ok NOW uploaded | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | my bad | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:59 |
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| imbrandon | Burgundavia, and i just caught that , mailing just the TOC sounds like a good idea to me, just my .02c though | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | then I can leave it on moin | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | except the wiki has had issues recently | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | yea, and you donr have to wory about txt vs html emails | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | becouse i personaly prefer html emails ( to those on my list and *.ubuntu.com is whitelisted ) but i can see the reason some dont tbh | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | html email is not going to happen | 10:08 |
| Fujitsu | +1 Burgundavia. | 10:08 |
| Fujitsu | No. HTML. Mail. | 10:08 |
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| imbrandon | right, i hear ya, i was just makin a case | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | not trying to persuade you | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, bah | 10:08 |
| KurtKraut | How can I gather data from http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ ? For instance, to check how frequent is the use of Ubuntu over AMD processors ? | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | KurtKraut: not easily | 10:09 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, :( any suggestions !? | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, the lead developer of that is ogra, who is currently not around | 10:09 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, is this him ? https://launchpad.net/people/ogra | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:11 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, I'll contact him. Thanks. | 10:11 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: well, there's html2text, but you can also use any of the text web browsers (try some of them for output preferences) | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: thanks | 10:19 |
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| Zdra | hi, since dbus 0.90 upload in edgy I can't find the tool dbus-viewer... is it removed or moved to another patckage ? | 11:37 |
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| Fade | KurtKraut: you can use beautifulsoup to scrape the data directly from the website. | 11:46 |
| KurtKraut | Fade, thanks for replying but... what is beautifulsoup ? | 11:46 |
| Spads | http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ | 11:47 |
| Fade | it's a python module that implements a fairly resilient html parser. | 11:48 |
| Spads | there's a ruby version called Rubyful soup too | 11:48 |
| Fade | you'd have to write the logic to scrape the specific site yourself. | 11:48 |
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| KurtKraut | Fade, oh, I see. Thanks. | 11:49 |
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| Fade | I have a small program that you could look at if you want an example of its use. | 11:49 |
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| KurtKraut | Fade, thanks for the offer but I was only wanting this data because of the drop of linux-image-k7/686/amd64 | 11:51 |
| KurtKraut | Fade, I wrote an article about that, trying to calm down people before they complain about it. | 11:51 |
| KurtKraut | Fade, and I was curious to check how many people uses each arch | 11:51 |
| Burgundavia | KurtKraut: amd64 should still be there | 11:51 |
| Burgundavia | Fade: popcon | 11:52 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, packages.ubuntu.com does not say that | 11:52 |
| Fade | I'm familiar with the popularity contest. :) | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | KurtKraut, its amd64-generic | 11:52 |
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| KurtKraut | imbrandon, Burgundavia, check out http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-amd64-generic&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | no, KurtKraut you are right | 11:53 |
| Burgundavia | linux-image-amd64-generic - Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | hrm no 64bit kernel ? | 11:53 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, I may even agree with the k7 and 686 drop. But the amd64 ? None of the bechmarks shown that it was unnecessery | 11:54 |
| KurtKraut | There was a bechmark comparing amd64-generic with amd64-xeon and there was almost no diferente | 11:54 |
| KurtKraut | but between amd64-generic and i386 there is obviously some difference | 11:54 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, ask mdz or BenC | 11:55 |
| KurtKraut | And I'm a bit concerned how the community will receive this changes. | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | about 0.5% will bitch | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | moreso when they cant run 64bit usrland apps | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | which consitutes about 50% of the active forum users | 11:55 |
| KurtKraut | Burgundavia, ahahha :D | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:56 |
| Fade | :) | 11:56 |
| Burgundavia | at approx. 7 million installs and about 1000 active forum users, my numbers are actually pretty accurate | 11:56 |
| Lure | KurtKraut: amd64 is still there - as it is different architecture | 11:57 |
| Lure | KurtKraut: only i386 architecture kernel types were simpliefied | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | i was gonna say there is no way we droped 64bit support | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | but i was gonna check first | 11:58 |
| KurtKraut | Lure, but have you seen how packages.ubuntu.com is labeling the linux-image-amd64-generic ? | 11:58 |
| Fade | does hwdb expose a method to look up available records? | 11:58 |
| Burgundavia | -generic is just being built for both arches | 11:58 |
| Lure | Burgundavia: exactly | 11:58 |
| Burgundavia | the kernel has always been a little odd anyway | 11:59 |
| Burgundavia | we don't install gnome-amd64 or gnome-i386 | 11:59 |
| Fade | that would be determined by the pool. | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, actualy you do | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | you install gnome-version_arch.deb | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | but its handled by dpkg | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | and apt | 12:00 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:00 |
| Fade | gnome-powerpc for example is implicit. :) | 12:00 |
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| imbrandon | but what we DONT do is install gnome-386 vs -686 | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | if you want true crack, here is a good one: Debian doesn't have a single kernel source package like we do | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | i think thats what you ment | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | no, I meant the arch name is not in the binary package | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | but yes, we don't have that either | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | although we used to build mplayer like that | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | yea becouse it USED to matter, notso anymore | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | debian dosent what now? hehe i missed that one | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | lemme grab some more coffee brb | 12:02 |
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| imbrandon | oh wow Burgundavia i never noticed that, yea that is crackfull ( about the debian kernel sources ) | 12:04 |
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| Fade | what ubuntu needs is a wiki entry describing the kernel policy and build proceedure. | 12:07 |
| KurtKraut | Fade, +1 | 12:07 |
| Fade | I've been building custom kernels the debian way, but the initrd in the mainline edgy stream isn't booting my laptop because it doesn't seem to load the reiserfs module from initrd. | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | Fade: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild ? | 12:08 |
| Burgundavia | Fade: start writing one and get BenC or mdz to approve it | 12:08 |
| Fade | I'm afraid I don't know enough about it to do the doc any justice. | 12:08 |
| ogra | hmm, does anybody have an idea why our debootstrap is so broken ? | 12:08 |
| ogra | the --verbose option isnt really helful :( | 12:09 |
| Fade | specifically about the mechanics of initrd. | 12:09 |
| Fade | the initrd in the powerpc arch is broken, for the last two releases. | 12:10 |
| Burgundavia | don't we use initramfs now? | 12:11 |
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| Fade | Mithrandir: I dunno if you're involved in X triage, but (x|gnu)emacs is still bjorked. :) | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | Fade: get me a backtrace with full debug symbols and I can begin poking at it. | 12:13 |
| Fade | xemacs-gnome works and xemacs -nw works, but if you start a native X process it dies spectacularly. | 12:13 |
| Fade | there's a full backtrace in my bugreport | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | which bug? | 12:13 |
| Kamion_ | Burgundavia: I don't know where you got the idea that I do readahead, but I don't | 12:13 |
| Fade | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xemacs21/+bug/58856 | 12:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58856 in xemacs21 "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 12:13 |
| Kamion_ | _ion: could I get a trace of that console-setup installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer set in the environment? | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion_: you play with the cds. In Mith the better person for that? | 12:14 |
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| Mithrandir | Fade: that backtrace is useless -- I need one with debugging symbols. | 12:15 |
| Fade | how do I generate it? | 12:15 |
| Kamion_ | KurtKraut: huh? amd64-generic -> generic was just a rename; we aren't "dropping" the amd64 kernel | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | Fade: build the package with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip | 12:15 |
| Kamion_ | Burgundavia: try the readahead changelog ... | 12:15 |
| KurtKraut | KaiL_, renamed to what ? | 12:15 |
| KurtKraut | Kamion_, renamed to what ? | 12:15 |
| Fade | okay. give me about twenty minutes. | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | Fade: I need to go see my wife now, but if you post what you find to the bug I'll read it later. | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion_: ok, will do | 12:16 |
| Fade | okay | 12:17 |
| Fade | wil "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip && sudo pbuilder build xemacs21.dsc" do the trick? | 12:17 |
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| Mithrandir | Fade: probably not, no. | 12:18 |
| Fade | where should i set the var? | 12:19 |
| Fade | just run pbuilder from a root shell? | 12:19 |
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| Fade | ah, I got it. | 12:25 |
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| Kamion_ | Burgundavia: Debian does have more or less a single kernel source now, by the way | 12:33 |
| Kamion_ | KurtKraut: linux-image-*-amd64-generic -> linux-image-*-generic | 12:33 |
| Kamion_ | it was just a rationalisation to get rid of the unnecessary architecture name in the package name | 12:33 |
| Kamion_ | KurtKraut: note that linux-image-*-generic on i386 is a different kind of kernel build to linux-image-*-generic on amd64 | 12:34 |
| KurtKraut | Kamion_, oh, now it is clear. Thanks. | 12:34 |
| Kamion_ | KurtKraut: if you've already published an article containing the misunderstanding, it would be nice to correct that | 12:35 |
| Kamion_ | KurtKraut: the full details are here: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-7.19/changelog | 12:36 |
| Kamion_ | under "Changes in kernel targets:" | 12:36 |
| KurtKraut | Kamion_, I already wrote that part as 'pending confirmation' | 12:36 |
| ogra | Kamion_, do you have a clue why debootstrap is broken atm ? i just tried it with --verbose but that seems to do exactly nothing ... | 12:37 |
| Kamion_ | ogra: not without a bit more detail, e.g. a transcript; it worked for me just the other day | 12:38 |
| ogra | ok, i'm just running it again ... will look deeper in the chroot then ... | 12:38 |
| Kamion_ | or try running with set -x | 12:38 |
| ogra | ok, next run :) | 12:39 |
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| ogra | Kamion, aha, seems xkb-data isnt in the chroot ... i'll try the set -x now | 12:42 |
| Kamion | I did promote xkb-data to priority important, so debootstrap should pick it up | 12:43 |
| Kamion | (it's needed for console-setup) | 12:43 |
| ogra | xkeyboard-config depends on xkb-data; however: | 12:43 |
| ogra | Package xkb-data is not installed. | 12:43 |
| ogra | thats what dpkg --configure -a in the chroot gives me | 12:44 |
| ogra | with a bunch of subsequent errors | 12:44 |
| ogra | (including console-setup) | 12:44 |
| Kamion | I suspect there are earlier errors that you've skipped over | 12:45 |
| Kamion | perhaps some way back? | 12:45 |
| Kamion | maybe causing x11-common or xkb-data not to be installed? | 12:45 |
| Kamion | I'm trying a debootstrap myself now to compare | 12:45 |
| ogra | well, debootstrap is very silent, as i said ... | 12:47 |
| tseng | jdub: yes 14" 'widesreen' | 12:47 |
| ogra | even --verbose doesnt change anything in its output ... | 12:47 |
| ogra | the one with set -x is running ... | 12:47 |
| Kamion | there should be a log somewhere in the created chroot | 12:47 |
| ogra | but doesnt seem to give any extra output of the download ... | 12:47 |
| Kamion | either /debootstrap/debootstrap.log or /var/log/bootstrap.log, IIRC | 12:48 |
| ogra | ah, crap indeed i deleted the chroot to build a new one | 12:48 |
| Kamion | well, I'm building one now | 12:48 |
| Kamion | anyway, coffee | 12:48 |
| ogra | i'll check it after that run has finished ... takes a moment | 12:48 |
| ogra | good idea :) | 12:48 |
| Kamion | ah | 12:55 |
| Kamion | dpkg: regarding .../xkb-data_0.8-7ubuntu1_all.deb containing xkb-data, pre-depen | 12:55 |
| Kamion | dency problem: | 12:55 |
| Kamion | xkb-data pre-depends on x11-common (>= 7.0.0-0ubuntu3) | 12:55 |
| Kamion | x11-common is unpacked, but has never been configured. | 12:55 |
| Kamion | the pre-dep is giving it trouble | 12:55 |
| ogra | ah | 12:56 |
| Kamion | I think I need to promote x11-common to required; then it'll be done first | 12:56 |
| Kamion | done that now | 12:56 |
| Kamion | should be fixed after the next publisher run; thanks | 12:57 |
| ogra | cool, thanks :) | 12:57 |
| ogra | ltsp will be happy again | 12:57 |
| ogra | now i have to find out me what changed on the 7th that made my i386 (and only that ) CD grow by 30M ... | 12:57 |
| ogra | its very weird ... | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: could you not count before? | 12:58 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, the thing is i didnt touch anything ... but it broke exactly on the 7th | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: :( what else would have been touched? | 12:59 |
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| ogra | so something in the ubuntu metapackages (-minimal etc) must have changed or something in the seeds ... | 12:59 |
| ogra | but the bzr logs of the ubuntu seeds dont show anything suspicious | 12:59 |
| ogra | ah, wait ... | 01:00 |
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| ogra | * switch to 2.6.17-7; adapt installer seed to new image names (amd64-generic -> generic, itanium-smp -> itanium) | 01:00 |
| ogra | the installer seed doesnt use the linux metapackage ... :) | 01:01 |
| ogra | i didnt merge :) | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | silly ogra :P | 01:01 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:02 |
| ogra | whats the deal with package names in brackets now ? | 01:03 |
| ogra | are that recommends ? | 01:03 |
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| ogra | ah, right, they are | 01:03 |
| Kamion | _ion: console-setup 1.7ubuntu7 might fix your problem, but I'd still be interested to see the above trace | 01:08 |
| _ion | kamion: Here it is. (At the end, i ^C'd.) http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/console-setup.log | 01:08 |
| Kamion | _ion: did you set the layout to us,fi yourself? | 01:10 |
| Whoopie | Kamion: Hi, although you approved openoffice.org-l10n for dapper-proposed, it didn't arrive the archives. | 01:11 |
| _ion | kamion: Yes. | 01:11 |
| Kamion | _ion: ok, fixed in 1.7ubuntu7, thanks | 01:11 |
| _ion | kamion: I use fi when writing Finnish text, but us everywhere else. fi really sucks for coding. :-) | 01:11 |
| _ion | kamion: Ok, thanks. | 01:11 |
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| Kamion | I'm not sure whether console-setup can/should attempt to handle us,fi better | 01:12 |
| Kamion | if it produces bad results for you, let me know via a bug report on console-setup | 01:12 |
| Kamion | but the immediate bug was just a straight infinite loop | 01:13 |
| _ion | kamion: Just ignore everything but the first one, if keymap switching isn't possible/practical in console. | 01:14 |
| _ion | People probably generally use the primary one as the first one. | 01:14 |
| _ion | s/primary/preferred/ | 01:14 |
| Kamion | Whoopie: whoops, looks like I checked it over but never actually typed 'queue accept'. Fixed now. | 01:15 |
| Kamion | thanks | 01:15 |
| Whoopie | Kamion: thank you. | 01:15 |
| Kamion | _ion: I believe we can actually do toggling | 01:16 |
| Kamion | might be wrong though | 01:17 |
| _ion | kamion: Ok. That would be cool. | 01:17 |
| _ion | kamion: 1.7ubuntu7 is going to appear here first, right? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup | 01:17 |
| Kamion | yeah | 01:19 |
| Kamion | yeah, we definitely can do toggling - I just tried it with Thai | 01:19 |
| Kamion | though it didn't seem to want to let me switch back to Latin - I might be on crack though | 01:19 |
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| Kamion | you get used to safely unwedging your keyboard layout while working on this stuff :) | 01:22 |
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| hunger | This time it just stopps with a message along the lines of "unknown signal recieved". | 01:32 |
| Keybuk | hunger: what is the exact message? | 01:36 |
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| Hobbsee | Kamion: ping? | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: do you know that console-setup seems to be failing on preconfigure? http://rafb.net/paste/results/fhrtQY55.html | 01:50 |
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| Fade | hrmn. how do you change a debian/rules file in a package you're building with pbuilder? | 01:53 |
| azeem | you change it, then create a new source package you point pbuilder at | 01:53 |
| hunger | Keybuk: I need to reboot to see it... and then I'll need about an hour to get the system up again. I do not have the time to do that right now. | 01:53 |
| hunger | Keybuk: I'll tell you tomorrow if that is OK. | 01:54 |
| Fade | I just want to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, is there any less involved way for injecting it into a pbuilder build? | 01:55 |
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| StevenK | Hobbsee/Kamion: Smells like debconf-age | 01:58 |
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| ogra | ugh | 02:15 |
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| ogra | wh does my dist-upgrade want to remove xchat ? | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: it's a mean and nasty plot to make you switch to konversation. | 02:15 |
| ogra | hmmm | 02:15 |
| ogra | only through the update-manager ... | 02:16 |
| === Fujitsu seriously considers moving to KDE after seeing various recommendations the GNOME team has made. | ||
| Fujitsu | (ie. moving to Mono as the primary development platform) | 02:16 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: oh come on, what's wrong with mono? :) | 02:16 |
| Spads | nucleosis | 02:16 |
| ogra | ubuntu will still stay with python as primamry lang ... | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | It is Microsofty to the max... | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | I'd hope so, ogra, but GNOME's going to Mono. | 02:17 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: it's novelly :) | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | ... | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | Urgh. | 02:17 |
| ogra | Fujitsu, lets them ... why should we care | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | Even worse :P | 02:17 |
| jdong | oh come on, everyone loves novell :P | 02:17 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: on what basis do you believe that gnome is "moving to mono"? | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: yeah right. | 02:18 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: additionally, xchat vs. xchat-gnome is totally an ubuntu issue; neither are shipped with gnome. | 02:18 |
| Fujitsu | Well, they seem to be recommending that people develop applications in Mono... | 02:18 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: by including gtk# and one mono app? | 02:18 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: 'gnome' does? no. | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | heya jdub | 02:18 |
| Fujitsu | jdub, where did X-Chat come into it? | 02:18 |
| jdub | morning Hobbsee | 02:18 |
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| Fujitsu | jdub, I'm sure I saw a recommendation somewhere... | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: it's not morning. | 02:19 |
| zul | morning jdub | 02:19 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: unless you were randomly commenting in the middle of things, i figured you were responding to the topic of conversation | 02:19 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: you may be confusing inclusion of gtk# in the gnome bindings release with 'recommendation' | 02:19 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: again, I ask... is there anything wrong with apps written in mono? | 02:19 |
| jdong | other than it's not your favorite language? | 02:19 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: perhaps you should look at the other bindings in that suite | 02:19 |
| Fujitsu | jdub, Hobbsee mentioned `switching to Konversation'. | 02:19 |
| jdub | Fujitsu: there were previous comments i thought you may be responding to, if not, it's not relevant | 02:20 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: Hobbsee is kubuntu to the max.... | 02:20 |
| jdong | :) | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | jdong, the language is controlled by Microsoft, and somewhat bloated. | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | jdong, I know. | 02:20 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: MS doesn't really control it anymore | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: all lies. i use firefox and thunderbird! | 02:20 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: and honestly, mono runs much faster than python | 02:20 |
| === jdong hopes he didn't just lure out the python fanatics | ||
| jdub | "bloated" doesn't mean anything; please don't use it in a discussion that might be technical | 02:20 |
| Spads | Where oh where is my FORTH desktop??? | 02:20 |
| jdub | Spads: in your boot rom i would hope! | 02:21 |
| jdong | no offense to anyone or anything python -- I like python :) | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Spads: GNOME deleted it for simplicity. | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 02:21 |
| jdub | Spads: did you see that OLPC guys are giving linuxbios forth love? | 02:21 |
| Spads | jdub: !! | 02:21 |
| jdub | Spads: exactly! | 02:21 |
| jdub | i'm just waiting for the gtk+ bindings | 02:21 |
| jdub | nothing like having a gui bios!!! | 02:22 |
| _ion | I think i read C# is going to support closures. Python even doesn't support them. | 02:22 |
| jdub | hfsnw! | 02:22 |
| jdong | _ion: does python 2.5 support generics yet? | 02:22 |
| _ion | jdong: I don't know. | 02:23 |
| jdong | I've recently started liking mono | 02:23 |
| jdong | the first time I tried it was a long time back, and it was too immature | 02:23 |
| jdong | but now, it's a wonderful platform to work on | 02:24 |
| _ion | Python does have some almost PHP-ish inconsistencies (e.g. len(str) vs. str.count("x"), wtf?). And some things are just nasty, e.g. having to type "self.__" in front of every single instance variable you want to be private. | 02:25 |
| jdub | Ex-WarehouseDispatch to Local Courier | 02:26 |
| jdub | woo | 02:26 |
| Kamion | Hobbsee: should be fixed in console-setup 1.7ubuntu7; see the first changelog entry therein | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: cool, i didnt see that when i checked LP. | 02:26 |
| === _ion is just building 1.7ubuntu7 | ||
| jdong | Kamion: how are the default lists for readahead generated? | 02:27 |
| Kamion | jdong: no idea; I have nothing to do with readahead | 02:27 |
| jdong | oh, sorry, someone told me to ask you that yesterday :) | 02:27 |
| === jdong hits up launchpad again | ||
| Kamion | yes, see above where I told Burgundavia he was mistaken | 02:28 |
| jdub | jdong: you might want to ask thom and/or Keybuk | 02:28 |
| jdong | k | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | jdong: I install a machine, boot with "profile" and store the lists in the package | 02:29 |
| Keybuk | unsurprisingly | 02:29 |
| jdong | Keybuk: k, that's what I guessed | 02:29 |
| jdong | Keybuk: I was noticing that my dapper box profiled a significantly different list than that was default | 02:29 |
| Keybuk | jdong: did you install your dapper box fresh, or upgrade it? | 02:29 |
| jdong | Keybuk: it was fresh, but alternate cd | 02:29 |
| Keybuk | or have you installed anything else on it? | 02:29 |
| jdong | it's relatively vanilla | 02:30 |
| thom | Keybuk: does readahead not do any sorting based on on-disk location now? | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | was the contents substantially different, or just the order? | 02:30 |
| jdong | order, actually | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | thom: the watch files are sorted | 02:30 |
| jdong | I think the order should be recalculated as a part of postinst | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | jdong: yeah, it'd make sense | 02:30 |
| jdong | it shouldn't be too hard to split out that code into readahead-reorder, right? | 02:30 |
| thom | Keybuk: right, i think we decided back in mataro that that was very install dependent, which is why the init script did it in the stop target | 02:31 |
| jdong | and on a related note, bug 59716 | 02:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59716 in readahead-list "Bootup is consistently faster when readahead is not daemonized" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59716 | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | thom: that never worked though? | 02:31 |
| jdong | it holds true on my computers | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | and really upset people with NFS filesystems, thin clients, etc. | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | jdong: yes, I've been fighting that argument for a year now | 02:32 |
| jdong | maybe that won't hold true with NFS, but it certainly holds true with disks :) | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | the plan I wanted was to have /etc/readahead/$pkg for each package | 02:32 |
| jdong | if it's not acceptable as a hard-coded default, at least give us a /etc/default/readahead way of specifying fg vs bg | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | and have those files aggregated and sorted each time for each boot based on the installed packages | 02:32 |
| jdong | Keybuk: how long's it take to sort though? | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | jdong: nanoseconds | 02:33 |
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| Keybuk | depending on the size of the list, obviously | 02:33 |
| jdong | :) | 02:34 |
| jdong | my edgy box has like 1500 files in its readahead list now | 02:34 |
| jdong | but it takes only a few seconds to read off | 02:34 |
| jdong | reprofiling + foregrounding readahead has done WONDERS to my bootup speed | 02:34 |
| jdong | it's now half what it used to be | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | it'd be an interesting experiment | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | modify readahead-list to do FBIOMAP and sort the list before readahead() | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | you have to open the files *anyway* after all | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | so instead of | 02:35 |
| jdong | ooh | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | fd = open (...) | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | readahead (fd, ...) | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | do | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | fd = open (...) | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | ioctl (fd, FBIOMAP, ...) | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | /* resort */ | 02:35 |
| jdong | ooh, then it'd always be read in the right order | 02:36 |
| Keybuk | I wish inotify didn't suck | 02:36 |
| === jdong wonders if defragging the files in the readahead list would make any impact.... | ||
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: write that after upstart? *ducks* | 02:36 |
| Keybuk | you should be able to do a recursive inotify on the entire filesystem | 02:36 |
| === jdong checks fragmentation for curiousity | ||
| Hobbsee | s/write/rewrite/ | 02:37 |
| Keybuk | jdong: unless you're running a stupid filesystem, they shouldn't be fragmented | 02:37 |
| Keybuk | ext3 generally tries to keep them unfragmented | 02:37 |
| jdong | Keybuk: generally, yes... do they get 2 or 3 fragments from time to time? yes | 02:37 |
| jdong | and I don't think linux has any filesystem THAT stupid :P | 02:38 |
| Keybuk | sometimes | 02:38 |
| Keybuk | reiser | 02:38 |
| jdong | only on large files though | 02:38 |
| === Mithrandir should really fix up his monitoring kprobe to be able to replace inotify. | ||
| jdong | so as far as running readahead as foreground, what is the opposition right now? | 02:39 |
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| jdong | about 25% of the files in the list are fragmented, though usually it's just 2 fragments... so not worth it :) | 02:41 |
| Lathiat | 02:43 | |
| Mithrandir | 02:43 | |
| ogra | ? | 02:44 |
| jdong | . | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | ! | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | * | 02:47 |
| === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir | ||
| === Mithrandir ruffles Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hey! which bit of me are you ruffling there? | 02:47 |
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| === Hobbsee smoothes out her hair again. | ||
| === Fujitsu steals Hobbsee's hair. | ||
| Hobbsee | you cant. it's on my *head* | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | and you cant steal my head. | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | stealing people's heads is considered rude, yes. | 02:48 |
| === Fujitsu steals Hobbsee's hair anyway. | ||
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe | 02:48 |
| === Hobbsee defenestrates Fujitsu | ||
| Fujitsu | :O | 02:49 |
| Fujitsu | How dare you! | 02:49 |
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| === Fujitsu climbs back in the window. | ||
| === Hobbsee defenestrates Fujitsu again, and closes the window this time. | ||
| Fujitsu | Darnit. | 02:50 |
| === Fujitsu opens the window. | ||
| Hobbsee | you cant join us again | 02:50 |
| === Fujitsu climbs up Hobbsee's hair. | ||
| Hobbsee | it's locked. i do a better job than that. | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | Aw... Why not? | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | Damn... | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | hah. it's far too short for that. | 02:50 |
| === Fujitsu cuts hole through window. | ||
| === Hobbsee burns Fujitsu's eyes out with her laser. you cannot win against the very powerful Hobbsee! | ||
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE" | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | </end sillyness> | 02:51 |
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| Fujitsu | Yes, MOTU-Hobbsee shall always win against nothing-Fujitsu. :P | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:52 |
| ivoks | Keybuk: thanks for live-f1 :) | 02:52 |
| abattoir | ivoks: where? :P | 02:54 |
| ivoks | abattoir: ftp://ftp.netsplit.com/pub/live-f1/0.2/ | 02:55 |
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| ogra | hmm | 03:01 |
| ogra | Kamion, do i need to add the new recommends stuff to output_seeds in edubuntu-metas update.cfg ? | 03:01 |
| ogra | i dont get the listing i saw in ubuntu-meta for the recommends | 03:02 |
| ogra | (in the changelog) | 03:02 |
| ogra | i only see removals ... | 03:02 |
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| Kamion | ogra: no, you shouldn't; and that's normal for new seeds | 03:09 |
| Kamion | (it's arguably a bug, but at present it's normal) | 03:09 |
| Kamion | I mean for new outputs | 03:09 |
| Kamion | your next upload will include recommends changes | 03:09 |
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| Kamion | I'd just add a note to the changelog saying that the above depends have become recommends, or similar | 03:09 |
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| _ion | Oh, wow. I ate a dinner, and my box is still building console-setup 1.7ubuntu7. :-) | 03:11 |
| _ion | It's been at it for almost an hour. | 03:11 |
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| Kamion | yeah, takes ages to build all the fonts | 03:12 |
| Kamion | wish I could work out why Alt+Shift toggling only appears to work in one direction | 03:14 |
| _ion | Nice, a deb is already available. https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/243937/console-setup | 03:15 |
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| _ion | kamion: It installed correctly. | 03:17 |
| Kamion | _ion: great, thanks | 03:21 |
| Keybuk | jdong: massively slows down the Live CD, iirc | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | and people file bugs that readahead takes up an amount of their boot process | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | without realising that it reduces the rest by more than it takes | 03:22 |
| Keybuk | and there's variable data on that sadly | 03:24 |
| Keybuk | seems to depend largely on the drive speed, for example | 03:24 |
| Keybuk | ideally, we should be able to mark a file in the system as not suitable for fragmentation | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | do that for files read at boot | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | readahead them in block order | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | in fact, I'd go as far as even trying to arrange them sequentially on the disk | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | but that kind of low-level filesystem engineering is ... complicated | 03:29 |
| Mithrandir | especially since the consecutive blocks the FS sees might not be consecutive on-disk. Think raid-0, LVM and similar cases. | 03:30 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 03:30 |
| Keybuk | though we could always just let those users suffer <g> | 03:30 |
| Keybuk | if you're using RAID, you don't care about filesystem speed anyway, just reliability | 03:31 |
| Keybuk | and probably aren't a boot speed ricer | 03:31 |
| Mithrandir | true, since initialising your SCSI card is going to take 30 seconds _anyhow_ | 03:32 |
| _ion | Since when do you need SCSI to do RAID? :-) | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | _ion: even if you don't, RAID is slow | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | it's not supposed to be fast | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | it's supposed to just corrupt your data in more interesting ways when it goes wrong | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | err, I mean, be more reliable :p | 03:34 |
| _ion | Hehe. | 03:34 |
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| _ion | Re: boot speed, this is interesting. https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/fcache | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | _ion: sounds a bit similar to a crackful idea I had | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | make the standard install a squashfs, and readahead that before loop mounting it :p | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | I didn't tell Mithrandir, for fear that he would implement it :p | 03:37 |
| _ion | Hehe. | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: this is now I should tell you I have toyed with the idea? | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: we _do_ actually support it. | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | fsvo support | 03:38 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't surprise me :p | 03:38 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: you're nuts | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: nah, not really. It made my testing a lot quicker when I could just drop stuff onto a USB drive instead of burning CDs. | 03:39 |
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| Mithrandir | also meant I don't have to use a CD/DVD drive for my x40 | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | one way we could do it is reserve an initial amount of the disk | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | say the size of the available memory | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | mark it as a special/reserved block | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | and read from that | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | arranging the boot files in there sequentially, etc. | 03:40 |
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| Keybuk | in fact | 03:43 |
| Keybuk | what we need is a magic partition that can directly seed the page cache in such a way that it's fooled into believing it has the same data as on the real partition | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | without risking problems with the magic being out of date | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | of course, the more crackful you get, the more difficult it is to maintain :p | 03:44 |
| _ion | Hmm, doesn't the "fcache" thing do something like that? | 03:44 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: we just need to stop people rebooting! :) | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | _ion: yeah, basically | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: heh. fix suspend/hibernate, and we wont have to! | 03:45 |
| Keybuk | suspend is fine | 03:45 |
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| Keybuk | it's resume that's the problem :p | 03:46 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: not for my laptop | 03:46 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: (but that might be Radeon/R200 related) | 03:46 |
| LarstiQ | Keybuk: heh, just like flying ;) | 03:48 |
| Keybuk | flying is easy, it's landing that's difficult? :p | 03:48 |
| Keybuk | or landing gently | 03:48 |
| === LarstiQ nods | ||
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: hehe. true that | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Keybuk: and no, "Crash and burn" is not an acceptible solution :P | 03:51 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I think Scott's laptop know all about the "burn" part at least. | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe. true that | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: hmm? | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: you had some fun when we loaded the fan module a bit late, IIRC? | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: it still has problems with that | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | using ondemand instead of powernowd has made a big difference to the fan noise though | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | hmmmm, now you've reminded me. | 03:57 |
| === Hobbsee wonders when her laptop will come to a grinding halt. | ||
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| _ion | Sigh, yet another situation apt's dist-upgrade can't handle. | 04:05 |
| _ion | The following packages have been kept back: | 04:06 |
| _ion | libggi2 | 04:06 |
| _ion | smartpm naturally handles that without a hitch. | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | _ion: by removing half of your system in retaliation? :p | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | does aptitude handle it? | 04:06 |
| _ion | keybuk: smartpm: Upgrading packages (1): libggi2_1:2.2.1-4ubuntu1 Installing packages (2): libgii1_1:1.0.1-2 libgii1-target-x_1:1.0.1-2 Removing packages (2): libgii0_1:0.9.1-0.2 libgii0-target-x_1:0.9.1-0.2 | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | the problem with smart is that it's only demonstratibily different to apt | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | there's a lot of things smart gets wrong that apt just works with | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | it's not better | 04:08 |
| Keybuk | or, at least, cannot be demonstrated to be so | 04:08 |
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| HiddenWolf | my dist-upgrade only took 3 tries and some manual apt-get magic to get right. =) | 04:08 |
| Keybuk | and smart has huge problems of its own | 04:09 |
| Keybuk | e.g. it becomes impossible to ever upgrade python <g> | 04:09 |
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| _ion | keybuk: aptitude handles it correctly as well. | 04:09 |
| Keybuk | aptitude has been the "standard" dist-upgrade tool for a while, remember | 04:10 |
| Keybuk | Debian no longer recommend "apt-get dist-upgrade" | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: hehe. well, why would you want to update python anyway? | 04:11 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: you don't want python 2.5? | 04:11 |
| _ion | I slightly dislike aptitude's way of handling manually/automatically installed packages. Debfoster seems to handle it better. | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: well... | 04:12 |
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| bddebian | Howdy folks | 04:14 |
| pygi | hey ho bddebian | 04:15 |
| bddebian | Hi pygi | 04:15 |
| bddebian | pygi: Well I'm close I think | 04:15 |
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| bddebian | I don't know wtf the package config files are though :'-( | 04:15 |
| pygi | bddebian, ah, no worries | 04:16 |
| pygi | anyway, gotta run | 04:16 |
| pygi | talk to you later | 04:16 |
| Kamion | ogra: there's another problem with x11-common/debootstrap; fixing it now | 04:22 |
| ogra | ah, i was already wondering if the publisher cronjob had dies ;) | 04:23 |
| ogra | *died | 04:23 |
| Kamion | nah, /etc/init.d/x11-common wasn't coping with /etc/default/rcS not existing | 04:23 |
| ogra | ah, upstart fun :) | 04:24 |
| Kamion | no | 04:24 |
| ogra | oh ? | 04:24 |
| Kamion | absolutely nothing to do with upstart | 04:24 |
| Kamion | /etc/default/rcS isn't created by debootstrap - it's created by other parts of the installer | 04:24 |
| ogra | ah, k | 04:24 |
| ogra | i thought it came from sysvinit | 04:24 |
| Kamion | please don't blame everything to do with /etc/init.d/* on upstart :-) | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: why not? it's scott's week for being blamed :D | 04:25 |
| Kamion | heh, actually it's created by initscripts | 04:26 |
| Kamion | (but that's still used by upstart) | 04:27 |
| Kamion | however: | 04:27 |
| Kamion | I: Configuring x11-common... | 04:27 |
| Kamion | I: Configuring initscripts... | 04:27 |
| ogra | oh :) | 04:27 |
| Kamion | I don't feel like adding a Depends to avoid that, though | 04:27 |
| ogra | hmm, what else would work then ? | 04:27 |
| Kamion | not bothering to source /etc/default/rcS if it's not there | 04:27 |
| Kamion | read the init script - the only thing it's used for is $VERBOSE | 04:27 |
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| Kamion | that can trivially be ignored | 04:28 |
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| ogra | yeah :) | 04:28 |
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| ogra | i wonder how debian solves that | 04:29 |
| ogra | they will have the same prob, no ? | 04:29 |
| Kamion | it doesn't need to, because Debian does not install x11-common from debootstrap | 04:29 |
| ogra | ah | 04:29 |
| Kamion | we've only just started doing that, because we've moved to console-setup | 04:29 |
| Kamion | Debian hasn't yet | 04:29 |
| ogra | yup | 04:29 |
| Kamion | I'm sure they will - it's a much better solution and it's written by Debian folks | 04:30 |
| Kamion | but it's a bit uncomfortable at this point in the etch release cycle | 04:30 |
| ogra | when do they freeze ? | 04:32 |
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| ogra | must be soon if they want to release in december | 04:32 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: Debian has a gradual freeze which has already started. | 04:33 |
| === Keybuk tsks at ogra | ||
| ogra | Keybuk, ? | 04:33 |
| ogra | you dont belive they make it this year ? :) | 04:34 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ah | 04:34 |
| Keybuk | ogra: always blaming me for everything | 04:34 |
| ogra | sorry ... comes in so handy with such a big change :) | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 04:34 |
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| === jdong notes his kdm still doesn't power down :-/ | ||
| Keybuk | the next time you make a change as big, and only get trivial/minor bugs, then you can tease as much as you like :D | 04:35 |
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| ogra | :) | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: did you kill g-p-m first? | 04:36 |
| === ogra actually ditnt have *any* probs with it, not even in ltsp | ||
| Hobbsee | jdong: actually, yeah, i noticed that. | 04:36 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: it's Keybuk's fault... I swear | 04:36 |
| Keybuk | jdong: it is | 04:36 |
| jdong | seriously, this time it is :) | 04:36 |
| Keybuk | keybuk didn't do the second part of that patch | 04:36 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I can blame you for kinda-breaking casper. :-P | 04:37 |
| Keybuk | shutdown -h now will work properly now, of course | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: what do you mean "this time?" | 04:37 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: oh? | 04:37 |
| Keybuk | jdong: actually, it's KDE's fault for using the wrong damned command to shutdown | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: if in doubt, blame Keybuk. in fact, blame him anyway :P | 04:37 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: casper rewrites inittab, and, well, there's no more inittab, so autologin on the consoles don't work any more. | 04:37 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: absolutely trivial to fix, though | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: what should we be using? /sbin/poweroff? | 04:37 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: /sbin/shutdown | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 04:37 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, hey, thanks for the merge :) | 04:38 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: oh, what does it do ? | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: which one? | 04:38 |
| ogra | electricsheep | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: oh. not a problem :) | 04:38 |
| wasabi | good morning freedom lovers | 04:38 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: it seds the inittab. | 04:38 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: don't worry though, I'll fix it myself. | 04:38 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: yeah, I mean what change does it make? | 04:39 |
| Keybuk | (just out of curiousity, I didn't know you even did that) | 04:39 |
| ogra | oh... | 04:39 |
| === ogra was planning to do that for ltsp ... | ||
| ogra | how do i disable consoles now ? | 04:40 |
| Mithrandir | sed -i -e "s|^\([^:] *:[^:] *:[^:] *\):.*getty.*\<\(tty[0-9] *\).*$|\1:/bin/login -f $USERNAME </dev/\2 >/dev/\2 2>\&1|" /root/etc/inittab | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: oh, I see! :p | 04:40 |
| jdong | my... god... :) | 04:40 |
| jdong | duh | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | yeah, just sed the getty files :p | 04:40 |
| jdong | why didn't I think of that :P | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | ogra: "disable" ? | 04:40 |
| ogra | Keybuk, in ltsp i need only one console ... and want an option to even disable that one in the future | 04:41 |
| Keybuk | ogra: you futz the filesystem, rather than adjust things in the packages, yes? | 04:41 |
| ogra | i was planning to sed thrugh inittab during the chroot creation | 04:41 |
| Keybuk | ok | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | easy then | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | rm /etc/event.d/tty[2-6] | 04:42 |
| ogra | ah, cool !! | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | don't rm tty1 though, you'll upset upstart :p | 04:43 |
| ogra | ok | 04:43 |
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| ogra | but that saves 500k-1M per tty :) | 04:43 |
| Keybuk | if you want to replace it with tty, you'll need to replace it with *something* | 04:43 |
| Keybuk | upstart gets grumpy if there are no jobs running | 04:43 |
| Keybuk | so if you remove tty1, you either need to also remove sulogin | 04:44 |
| ogra | well, i can live with one ... even though its useless to have with no user account | 04:44 |
| Keybuk | or replace it with something else | 04:44 |
| Keybuk | otherwise upstart will just start a /bin/sh on /dev/console :p | 04:44 |
| ogra | heh | 04:44 |
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| Keybuk | you may not mind it doing that, of course | 04:45 |
| Keybuk | does remind me that if you rm / | 04:45 |
| === LarstiQ encountered that today | ||
| ogra | well, i dont disable console switching so having a open /bin/sh .... | 04:45 |
| Keybuk | rm /etc/event.d/tty... it should immediately kill the ttys :p | 04:45 |
| Keybuk | LarstiQ: oh? | 04:47 |
| LarstiQ | Keybuk: for some reason my machine froze in the middle of an upgrade | 04:49 |
| LarstiQ | Keybuk: so on reboot it wasn't really functional | 04:49 |
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| Keybuk | LarstiQ: odd | 04:50 |
| LarstiQ | Keybuk: now it all works again, thanks to a breezy live cd :) | 04:50 |
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| Tonio_ | who should I poke for python 2.5 related issues ? | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | we have a problem to build kde apps with python 2.5 | 05:09 |
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| Kamion | Tonio_: doko | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | Kamion: thanks :) | 05:22 |
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| Kamion | smurf: would you mind if I uploaded keymapper to Debian at some point? | 06:02 |
| Kamion | I'd really like to start getting rid of some of the big complicated diffs connected to that that we've been carrying. :-) | 06:03 |
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| smurf | Kamion: no problem | 06:44 |
| koke | btw, it seems ubiquity doesn't detect correctly the newworld bootstrap partitions | 06:48 |
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| bluefoxicy | Has anyone considered Blender for a UVF exception? | 08:09 |
| bluefoxicy | Their versioning scheme is bull shit. | 08:10 |
| bluefoxicy | http://www.blender.org/cms/Blender_2_42.727.0.html | 08:10 |
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| bluefoxicy | THIS is what's new in 2.42 that wasn't in 2.41, what the hell? I would have called that 3.0 | 08:10 |
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| ogra | bluefoxicy, afaik lfittl wanted to care for it ... t just moved to universe recently | 08:11 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: it says it's in main here, this must be really recent. | 08:12 |
| tseng | the source is in main | 08:13 |
| Nafallo | the binary aswell | 08:13 |
| Nafallo | apt-cache madison blender | 08:14 |
| ogra | right, so its not demoted yet | 08:15 |
| ogra | we cant upgrad eit in main | 08:15 |
| ogra | it has a hard dependency on ffmpeg | 08:15 |
| ogra | (the new version) | 08:16 |
| bluefoxicy | thought not. Was worth a shot. | 08:16 |
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| ogra | bluefoxicy, Nafallo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt its listed for demotion ... | 08:19 |
| bluefoxicy | ah ok. | 08:19 |
| Nafallo | but it's not there yet :-) | 08:19 |
| bluefoxicy | It doesn't matter, I'm not using it | 08:20 |
| bluefoxicy | I'm just trying to lure a Mephis user over ;) | 08:20 |
| bluefoxicy | (originally I was just going to say 2.41 and 2.42 were basically equivalent but the release notes say there's significant UI changes and new features, which is a WTF) | 08:21 |
| bluefoxicy | "A lot of work has been done to improve the non-linear video editor in Blender. The highlights include a much better memory management (edit up to hours near-real time) and for Linux users, FFMPEG was added for a wide range of video/audio codecs." | 08:23 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: found the dependency on ffmpeg ;) | 08:24 |
| ogra | heh | 08:24 |
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| bluefoxicy | Personally I would have used gstreamer (gstreamer has an ffmpeg plug-in!) and helped with the porting effort if I wanted a wide range of video/audio codec support | 08:25 |
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| bluefoxicy | anyway, back to other useful things. | 08:25 |
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| Kamion | mbiebl: console-tools provides programs that console-setup uses to do its job; console-setup is a higher-level tool | 08:45 |
| Kamion | s/tool$/system/ | 08:45 |
| Kamion | mbiebl: note how console-setup depends on console-tools | 08:46 |
| mbiebl | Ok. | 08:46 |
| Kamion | mbiebl: the redundancy is not between console-tools and console-setup, but between console-data and console-setup; however I haven't yet disentangled enough bits to be sure that it's safe to take out console-data, so for the meantime it doesn't do too much harm to leave them both there | 08:46 |
| Kamion | oh, heh, console-setup only recommends console-tools - but you get the idea | 08:47 |
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| mbiebl | Still I have the prob, that somehow the console-setup script is not executed. | 08:47 |
| Kamion | you don't really want to have it without kbd or console-tools, though, as you wouldn't be able to load keymaps | 08:47 |
| mbiebl | during startup. | 08:47 |
| Kamion | mbiebl: could you rephrase that in a more verbose way? | 08:48 |
| Kamion | there is no script called "console-setup" | 08:48 |
| mbiebl | I have to call setupcon manually after logging in on the console. | 08:48 |
| Kamion | so I need to know what your actual problem is. :) | 08:48 |
| Kamion | OK. | 08:48 |
| mbiebl | S49console-setup doesn't do it's job ;-) | 08:48 |
| Kamion | what happens if you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/console-setup start' by hand? | 08:49 |
| Kamion | from a console, not X | 08:49 |
| mbiebl | Then it works. | 08:49 |
| mbiebl | I get the nice looking terminus font and the german UTF-8 keyboard layout. | 08:49 |
| Kamion | do you have /usr and/or /var mounted separately from /? | 08:49 |
| mbiebl | no | 08:50 |
| Kamion | (shouldn't make any difference anyway - console-setup comes after mountall) | 08:50 |
| Kamion | Do you have upstart-logd installed? | 08:50 |
| mbiebl | /var/log has this message: Sep 10 20:29:13 rcS: stty: standard input: Invalid argument | 08:50 |
| mbiebl | Guess this is the root of the problem. | 08:50 |
| Kamion | oh, I noticed that myself, hadn't tracked down what script it was from yet | 08:50 |
| Kamion | console-setup doesn't call stty directly though | 08:51 |
| mbiebl | Well, the console-setup init script should output "Setting up console font and keymap..." | 08:52 |
| mbiebl | But I don't have this message in the /var/log/boot | 08:52 |
| mbiebl | Only the above error mesasge | 08:52 |
| Kamion | yeah, me neither now you mention it | 08:53 |
| Kamion | ok, since this is something I see too, it should be relatively straightforward to track down | 08:53 |
| Kamion | thanks for bringing it to my attention | 08:53 |
| mbiebl | np | 08:53 |
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| slomo | doko: ping? | 09:14 |
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| crimsun | Mithrandir: ping, do you mind if I merge sane-backends? [The relevant change in Debian's 1.0.18-3 addresses (the dupes) Ubuntu bugs 56317, 59141, 59390, and 59753] | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: feel free | 10:03 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: thanks | 10:03 |
| Kamion | crimsun: heh, I'm glad you drew my attention to that - I had just written a patch to fix that, independently | 10:03 |
| Kamion | I won't bother now | 10:03 |
| Kamion | although I think my patch was better, as it actually checked line length properly, but no matter :) | 10:04 |
| Keybuk | heh | 10:09 |
| Keybuk | that bug is increasingly annoying | 10:09 |
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| === _ion hopes totem-mozilla were moved from ubuntu-desktop's Depends to Recommends. I prefer the MediaPlayerConnectivity extension much more. | ||
| _ion | Should i file a bug report, or is there no chance of that happening? | 10:14 |
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| Kamion | sigh. I would like to know how the usplash bogl backend got so utterly wedgied | 10:29 |
| === Kamion attempts to figure out the changes in order to patch it back together | ||
| pitti | Kamion: good luck | 10:33 |
| Kamion | oh. oh dear. somebody entirely forgot to teach bogl-[pt] cfb.c about colour maps larger than 16 | 10:33 |
| Kamion | I wouldn't be surprised if it were randomly widdling over its stack | 10:33 |
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| xav | is it possible to remove anything but the core system? | 10:34 |
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| Kamion | ooh, a usplash | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | heh | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | you sound so please | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | +d | 10:58 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: On PPC? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | mjg59: yep | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | With correct colours? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | apparently, but I'll look later | 10:59 |
| Kamion | want to go and play games with Kirsten now | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | Super | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | Can you check it in? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | not right now, but tonight | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | I can simulate with vesafb for testing | 10:59 |
| Kamion | give me an hour or so to go and be social while K is still awak | 11:00 |
| Kamion | e | 11:00 |
| mjg59 | No problem | 11:00 |
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| AlinuxOS | mjg59, hello, sorry me if I disturb. Maybe some news about ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts ? is problem solved ? | 11:09 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: Nope | 11:09 |
| mjg59 | Needs fontconfig changes | 11:09 |
| mjg59 | I'm working on it | 11:09 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, so you don't need my or someones(who wrote some comments on malone https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966 ) ? | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Untriaged,Confirmed] | 11:11 |
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| AlinuxOS | mjg59, ok. So if there is some news... I'll help you in testing. | 11:25 |
| === desrt whacks mjg59 | ||
| desrt | you dup'd my bug in the wrong direction :p | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Didn't I dup the newer one to the older one? | 11:28 |
| desrt | you did | 11:28 |
| desrt | but i filed the newer one, damnit :p | 11:28 |
| mjg59 | Learn to search the FBTS :p | 11:29 |
| desrt | fbts? | 11:29 |
| === jdub hugs mjg59 | ||
| mjg59 | Bug Tracking System | 11:30 |
| === desrt goes by the "dup the bug with less useful information in it" rule | ||
| Keybuk | see, I believe the opposite | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | I wish people would NOT search the BTS | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | or, at most, file a new bug and mark it as a dup themselves | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | because that way, when they turn out to be wrong, I don't have one bug with two different people with two different problems | 11:33 |
| Keybuk | in fact, I wish it was just two ... usually it's as few as seven or more people on one bug | 11:34 |
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| jdub | hrm | 11:34 |
| jdub | how good is the desktop CD for rsyncing? | 11:34 |
| jdub | if i start downloading edgy images now, should i get alternate or desktop? | 11:34 |
| Kamion | jdub: pretty good | 11:34 |
| Kamion | whichever you want | 11:35 |
| jdub | (note: tin cans and string on an island) | 11:35 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: In this case, two bugs with identical titles referring to identical problems on identical hardware | 11:35 |
| jdub | Kamion: hmm - is it certified AUSTRALIA / SOUTH AFRICA SAFE? | 11:35 |
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| jdub | Kamion: last daily is good, or should i get knot 2? | 11:35 |
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| mjg59 | Now that it takes me about 10 minutes to download an iso /anyway/, I've stopped worrying so much about rsync | 11:36 |
| === jdub SMACKS mjg59 | ||
| jdub | i need to get a new adsl modem | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: *shrug* I'd still rather receive the dups than not | 11:36 |
| Kamion | mjg59: yep, I've checked all the colours and they're right | 11:36 |
| Kamion | jdub: *shrug* dunno about current daily, depends how edgily you want to live | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | "udev hangs for three minutes on boot" | 11:36 |
| jdub | Kamion: I LOVE EDGY! | 11:36 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Super | 11:36 |
| Kamion | jdub: oh, debootstrap will probably fail on current alternate daily | 11:38 |
| Kamion | should be fixed tomorrow | 11:38 |
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| jdub | Kamion: i'll suck down desktop | 11:40 |
| jdub | thanks! | 11:41 |
| jdub | hopefully today i'll have new hardware to test on | 11:41 |
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| Kamion | mjg59: ok, grab r59 | 11:47 |
| Kamion | I'm off to bed | 11:47 |
| Kamion | works for me at native resolution (1280x854), 1024x768, and 800x600 with the testcard | 11:47 |
| Kamion | native resolution is important to test separately because in that case I made bogl not bother to change resolution | 11:48 |
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| mjg59 | Kamion: Cool | 11:52 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, hello, ping | 11:54 |
| doko | AlinuxOS: pong | 11:54 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, I've sent you some mails regarding Georgian OO.org package. | 11:55 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, do you have some news maybe ? | 11:55 |
| doko | AlinuxOS: not for 2.0.3, it maybe included, if we upgrade to 2.0.4 | 11:56 |
| AlinuxOS | OOo_2.0.4-ka-GE.gsi is ready | 11:56 |
| AlinuxOS | ah ok | 11:56 |
| doko | I'll send out a mail for 2.0.4 tomorrow | 11:57 |
| AlinuxOS | the latest corrected (translation correciton) www.gia.ge/zzz/OOo_2.0.4-ka-GE.rar is here. | 11:57 |
| doko | AlinuxOS: I would prefer just a GSI file | 11:57 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, ok... I's beta version...so it will be great to have Georgian OO.org in Ubuntu too..in this mode we can improve it. | 11:58 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, OOo_2.0.4-ka-GE.rar -- GSI is inside. | 11:58 |
| jdong | I don't think doko likes rar files | 11:58 |
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| jdong | AlinuxOS: try appeasing him with a more open format ;) | 11:59 |
| === doko slaps jdong ;-) | ||
| jdong | hehe | 11:59 |
| AlinuxOS | jdong, thank you..doko you are right. | 12:00 |
| AlinuxOS | just a moment so D | 12:00 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, I' send you e-mail with GSI file. | 12:00 |
| doko | AlinuxOS: please send just a URL | 12:01 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, you just tell me what you need :) Alinux (dude) abides :) | 12:01 |
| jdong | AlinuxOS: doko is very picky :) | 12:01 |
| === jdong ducks | ||
| AlinuxOS | doko, ok url with GSI directly ? | 12:01 |
| doko | AlinuxOS: don't listen to jdong, just send what you want | 12:03 |
| jdong | hehe | 12:03 |
| jdong | doko: so are my OOo fonts gonna stop being ugly soon? | 12:04 |
| jdong | doko: namely bug 54776 | 12:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54776 in openoffice.org "[Edgy] font hinting does not work with libfreetype6 v. 2.2.1" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54776 | 12:04 |
| jdong | a patch is linked | 12:05 |
| AlinuxOS | doko, I'll give URL in some second ;) | 12:05 |
| AlinuxOS | seconds :D | 12:05 |
| AlinuxOS | brr | 12:05 |
| doko | jdong: on my list ... | 12:06 |
| jdong | doko: cool man, no hurry | 12:06 |
| jdong | I'll stop annoying you now :) | 12:06 |
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