=== Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === energizer_tavsan [n=dasdas@85.106.175.93] has joined #ubuntu-devel === energizer_tavsan [n=dasdas@85.106.175.93] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:22] man, having readahead reprofile itself makes a significant impact in bootup speed on ALL of my ubuntu boxes! === jdong has already written a howto on it === Rpg [i=nebula@6.Red-217-127-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rpg [i=nebula@6.Red-217-127-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === z\ [n=pjphem@unaffiliated/madsheep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === z\ chiup chiup. [12:48] lol [12:51] tseng: rad! what formfactor is that one? 14" inch? === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-190-83-164.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has left #ubuntu-devel ["-carpe] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] hello all --there is a package called ubuntu-desktop...it says its unnecessary but removing it will prevent packages from being installed....is this correct? [01:36] hikenboot: please ask in #ubuntu [01:36] ok sorry === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-184-249-15.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj_ [n=agp@c-71-198-70-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d83-184-249-15.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoritor [n=Xoritor@cpe-67-9-185-111.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] i have hit a bug... [02:19] just letting you guys know === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] can anyone tell me the proper place to file a bug report for edgy? [02:20] launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu [02:20] ok well im there already... [02:21] do i have to "sign up" to file a bug? [02:21] i really dont want to do that [02:21] yes, you have to make a launchpad account [02:21] sorry [02:21] !bug [02:21] bleh [02:21] eh [02:21] it's not a very demanding form [02:21] !bug > Xoritor [02:21] yea but its just annoying [02:21] thx === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-236-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] i just hate "joining" things [02:22] my issue though so i will not voice my "volumes of issues" here ;-) [02:23] well ill have to wait for "an hour or two" for the message to arrive... even more annoying [02:25] maybe you can answer this question and tell me if i even NEED to file a bug [02:25] Setting up console-setup (1.7ubuntu6) ... [02:26] Kamion_: I was just wondering, why ubuntu-minimal depends on console-tools and console-setup. [02:26] Do they complement each other? [02:26] it ran for over an hour the first time... and some long time after that... i think 3 hours [02:27] and this time its running again... [02:27] Seems to me, as if they both do basically the same. [02:28] Xoritor: it shouldn't run for hours..... :-/ [02:28] jdong, thats what i thought! [02:28] heh [02:28] Xoritor: is your computer reasonably modern? [02:28] i.e. not below 300MHz :) [02:28] p4 3ghz 2gb ram [02:29] LOL, screw that thought! [02:29] wd raptor 74gb [02:29] holy..... [02:29] yeah, I suggest bug reporting that... very strange behavior [02:29] put it on the console-setup package [02:29] k [02:29] thx [02:29] thx for your patience, sorry about your problems :( [02:29] mdz: hmm, just noticed edgy schedule has no artwork freeze [02:30] you think using "time apt-get -f install" would be of any use? [02:30] jdong, no problem... [02:30] Burgundavia: artwork is a feature [02:30] as written in the edgy release plan spec [02:30] its not a big issue really everything seems to be working fine on that box other than that [02:30] same issues, same deadlines [02:30] Xoritor: i don't think timing that would be any use.... console-setup takes less than a second usually [02:30] ok, which means we are passed the freeze [02:30] just wondering [02:30] jdong, again thx [02:31] np [02:34] hmm [02:34] i seem to have found the issue [02:34] the file /etc/default/console-setup does not exist === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Deeah [n=diana@ool-4575ac6f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/jagn0J82.html [02:38] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Sc9zqT18.html [02:38] Check the second link not the first, something is wrong with adduser. [02:42] fabbione ping === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] hey i fixed it! [02:45] heh [02:49] Xoritor: adduser? [02:49] Deeah, no... my issue with console-setup [02:52] jdong, i am prolly still going to file a bug report and post my solution in case it will help others [02:52] k, sounds good === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486D081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] alright, everyone, look out.... === jdong got a brand-new loaner Core Duo T2600 valued at around $3000 bucks.... and is inserting a edgy daily into it [03:14] fabbione ping [03:14] malone, I'm coming your way :) [03:14] usplash.... success! [03:16] sound..... success! [03:17] damn 1900x1200 looks great [03:19] you guys are in the clear -- ubuntu is certified working OOTB on this laptop === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] Burgundavia: right, the artwork which is in now should be basically complete, though it will get bugfixes and tweaks as other features will [03:22] jdong: JDONG CERTIFIED (tm) [03:22] :) [03:23] heh, but it does suffer from C3-sleep-whine syndrome [03:23] meh, hardware problem [03:23] We'll go tickless and it'll be fine [03:24] ooh, when will we go tickless? [03:24] mjg59: you are gonna make me drool all over this shiny new laptop [03:24] Edgy+1, with luck [03:25] k, cool === jdong not too discontent with C2 anyway === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] mdz: hmm, ok === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] who does readahead? === jdong just made some discoveries [03:48] namely, bootup is faster if readahead is not backgrounded [03:49] I'd venture to say that's because when readahead is daemonized, it leads to more disk seeking [03:54] jdong: Mithrandir or Kamion_ woudl be the people to talk to [03:55] Burgundavia: thx; I'll launchpad it for now === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] initramfs evms stuff got busted on my system again. root=/dev/evms/root resulted in panic, unable to mount root, no device "evms/root" [05:01] prolly just a shell script error. [05:03] The following NEW packages will be installed: liboobs-1-1 [05:03] nice. ;) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-93-102.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] <_ion> Preconfiguring packages ... [05:41] <_ion> It's just standing there. :-) console-setup.config is eating the CPU. load average: 2.83, 2.35, 1.47 [05:44] <_ion> root 14449 15.5 0.6 4628 2348 pts/2 R+ 06:33 1:38 /bin/bash /tmp/console-setup.config.144313 configure [05:45] <_ion> It's been running for >10 minutes. === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D98B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D8EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj_ [n=agp@adsl-69-104-142-228.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion hopes his proposed solution to bug #45385 has been noticed. [06:25] Malone bug 45385 in edgy-wallpapers "no wallpaper for dual head/very wide screen monitors" [Wishlist,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45385 [06:25] _ion: they are coming. The changelog explicitly mentions it [06:26] <_ion> burgundavia: Please read the comment first. The _don't need_ to be coming, thanks to a new feature in Gnome 2.16. [06:27] _ion: using zoom? [06:27] <_ion> Yes. [06:27] worthy in so many ways === _ion is using the default edgy wallpaper with its 8:3 (dualscreen) setup, and it looks just fine. [06:28] <_ion> s/its/his/ === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.140.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === diana [n=diana@ool-4575ac6f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:54] In edgy can anyone confirm that nautilus doesn't show any files as view list opposed to view as icons? When I go to "View as List" no files show, just blank white. [06:55] View as icons seems to work fine for me, but not view as list. I wanted confirmation before I file a bug. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] Lure: you here? [07:03] diana: yep [07:03] Lure: You running edgy? [07:03] yes [07:04] Lure can you confirm for me that nautilus doesn't show any files as view list opposed to view as icons? When I go to "View as List" no files show, just blank white. View as icons seems to work fine for me, but not view as list. I wanted confirmation before I file a bug. [07:04] diana: I can not - I am running KDE/Kubuntu [07:04] <_ion> Worksforme [07:06] Works for me(r)(c)(tm) as well. [07:09] k, thanks [07:15] <_ion> Yay, finally i can remove hplip, the accessibility stuff, the bluetooth stuff and scim while keeping ubuntu-desktop installed. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] I can't save in openoffice [08:56] it just crashes, is this a known problem? [08:56] mempf: is where you're saving to writable by the user? [08:56] yes [08:58] Hobbsee: I need a feature for UWN. Got a cool Kubuntu one? [08:58] Burgundavia: hmmmm.... [09:00] Burgundavia, KDE4 Krash "working" on Kubuntu edgy ;) [09:00] already talked about that [09:00] amarok 1.4.3 [09:00] features are features in dapper [09:00] ah hmm [09:01] katapult? [09:05] Burgundavia: katapult would work, if you wanted to [09:06] can you write up a couple of sentences a screenshot of dapper katapult? === Hobbsee is doing an assignment. or will be [09:07] Hobbsee: ok. imbrandon could you provide the love to me? [09:08] by provide, I mean write. By love, I mean two or three sentences on what katapult does plus a screenshot [09:09] Burgundavia, sure, do you need it this moment? or do i have a bit ? ( i would need to install dapper in a VM , i only have edgy boxen atm )' [09:09] imbrandon: you have a great deal of time. By great deal, I mean at least 30 minutes ;) === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] Burgundavia, hehe ok [09:10] seriously, I will find another ubuntu feature, but I like to make certain the derivs get the love too [09:10] Burgundavia, lemme grab a soda and i'll get on it [09:10] thanks [09:10] you will even get your name in the editors of this weeks UWN [09:10] imbrandon: it looks the same [09:10] ;) [09:11] Hobbsee, nah we just added transparency to the new one and i have updated ;( [09:11] Hobbsee, but no biggie [09:11] bah. close enough === paracetamolo [n=paraceta@81-174-12-172.f5.ngi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] Anyone have any luck with edgy in vmware-player -- after the updates I can't seem to boot it. [09:16] troy_s, yea its kinda broke atm [09:16] eek [09:16] well this is booting from dapper. the edgy image no likey. [09:17] troy_s, the only solution i have found so far is to use the vmware server from the website ( not the packages ) and compile a new kernel module [09:17] ohhhh [09:17] yea edgy i can boot from dapper [09:17] grr... have you updated it imbrandon ? [09:17] mine is hanging when it is trying to mount /root [09:19] the vmware issue appears to be a dbus one [09:20] yeah i read about the edgy vmware player issues, but it should work fine on dapper. (although i'm on 64 bit and the 64bit edgy didn't install) === bronson [n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@pD9E8F298.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] Burgundavia, ok almost done ..... [09:33] sounds good [09:33] Burgundavia, you'll probably have to proof this descrip, i'm not the best writer but it gets the point accross ;) [09:34] add it to the page and I will proof it [09:34] yup, almost done [09:38] ok Burgundavia whats the link to the "working" page [09:38] got it ready, well enough for you to "touch-up" hehe [09:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue13 [09:39] Burgundavia: going to html -> text it for the email this week? maybe do html email? [09:39] not going todo the second, but I will play with the first [09:40] I have been thinking about doing it more int he styel fo the gentoo and fedora wn, who only ship a toc [09:40] s/ship/toc [09:40] s/ship/mail/ (ok, I am tired) [09:42] Burgundavia, ok text added, now to figure out how to add the screenshot [09:42] lol [09:43] just add the url, upload it somewhere else [09:43] k [09:44] moins image handling sucks too much [09:44] ;) === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] holy jesus, i put the url and it put it inline , hehe, guess i need to scale it a bit [09:47] right, then do [09:48] [image_url thumb_url] [09:48] ahh ok nice, fixing now [09:52] ok much better, ok i'm done Burgundavia, work your magic ;) [09:52] imbrandon: cheers [09:53] gah already found a typo , s/atl+spacebar/alt+spacebar please while editing Burgundavia [09:54] got it [09:56] imbrandon: can you make a thumb about half the size? [09:56] sure, i'll reupload to the same spot , so it will just pick it right up [09:57] thanks [09:57] jdub: I don't see html2txt on the default install. Which package is that? [09:58] ok uploaded Burgundavia, should pick it up on refresh [09:59] err ok NOW uploaded [09:59] my bad [09:59] heh === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Burgundavia, and i just caught that , mailing just the TOC sounds like a good idea to me, just my .02c though [10:06] then I can leave it on moin [10:06] except the wiki has had issues recently [10:06] yea, and you donr have to wory about txt vs html emails [10:07] becouse i personaly prefer html emails ( to those on my list and *.ubuntu.com is whitelisted ) but i can see the reason some dont tbh [10:08] html email is not going to happen [10:08] +1 Burgundavia. [10:08] No. HTML. Mail. === KurtKraut [n=ktk@unaffiliated/kurtkraut] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] right, i hear ya, i was just makin a case [10:08] not trying to persuade you [10:08] ;) [10:08] Fujitsu, bah [10:09] How can I gather data from http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ ? For instance, to check how frequent is the use of Ubuntu over AMD processors ? [10:09] KurtKraut: not easily [10:09] Burgundavia, :( any suggestions !? [10:09] hmm, the lead developer of that is ogra, who is currently not around [10:11] Burgundavia, is this him ? https://launchpad.net/people/ogra [10:11] yes [10:11] Burgundavia, I'll contact him. Thanks. [10:18] Burgundavia: well, there's html2text, but you can also use any of the text web browsers (try some of them for output preferences) [10:19] jdub: thanks === paracetamolo [n=paraceta@81-174-12-172.f5.ngi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-17-83.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp110-122.lns4.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@9.213-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-195-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] hi, since dbus 0.90 upload in edgy I can't find the tool dbus-viewer... is it removed or moved to another patckage ? === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] KurtKraut: you can use beautifulsoup to scrape the data directly from the website. [11:46] Fade, thanks for replying but... what is beautifulsoup ? [11:47] http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ [11:48] it's a python module that implements a fairly resilient html parser. [11:48] there's a ruby version called Rubyful soup too [11:48] you'd have to write the logic to scrape the specific site yourself. === jdub spanks Spads [11:49] Fade, oh, I see. Thanks. === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] I have a small program that you could look at if you want an example of its use. === Spads uses it to scrape web comics into RSS feeds for his personal planet install [11:51] Fade, thanks for the offer but I was only wanting this data because of the drop of linux-image-k7/686/amd64 [11:51] Fade, I wrote an article about that, trying to calm down people before they complain about it. [11:51] Fade, and I was curious to check how many people uses each arch [11:51] KurtKraut: amd64 should still be there [11:52] Fade: popcon [11:52] Burgundavia, packages.ubuntu.com does not say that [11:52] I'm familiar with the popularity contest. :) [11:52] KurtKraut, its amd64-generic === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp110-122.lns4.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] imbrandon, Burgundavia, check out http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-amd64-generic&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all [11:53] no, KurtKraut you are right [11:53] linux-image-amd64-generic - Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic [11:53] hrm no 64bit kernel ? [11:54] Burgundavia, I may even agree with the k7 and 686 drop. But the amd64 ? None of the bechmarks shown that it was unnecessery [11:54] There was a bechmark comparing amd64-generic with amd64-xeon and there was almost no diferente [11:54] but between amd64-generic and i386 there is obviously some difference [11:55] no idea, ask mdz or BenC [11:55] And I'm a bit concerned how the community will receive this changes. [11:55] about 0.5% will bitch [11:55] moreso when they cant run 64bit usrland apps [11:55] which consitutes about 50% of the active forum users [11:56] Burgundavia, ahahha :D [11:56] lol [11:56] :) [11:56] at approx. 7 million installs and about 1000 active forum users, my numbers are actually pretty accurate [11:57] KurtKraut: amd64 is still there - as it is different architecture [11:57] KurtKraut: only i386 architecture kernel types were simpliefied [11:57] i was gonna say there is no way we droped 64bit support [11:58] but i was gonna check first [11:58] Lure, but have you seen how packages.ubuntu.com is labeling the linux-image-amd64-generic ? [11:58] does hwdb expose a method to look up available records? [11:58] -generic is just being built for both arches [11:58] Burgundavia: exactly [11:59] the kernel has always been a little odd anyway [11:59] we don't install gnome-amd64 or gnome-i386 [11:59] that would be determined by the pool. [12:00] Burgundavia, actualy you do [12:00] you install gnome-version_arch.deb [12:00] ;) [12:00] but its handled by dpkg [12:00] and apt [12:00] yes [12:00] gnome-powerpc for example is implicit. :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] but what we DONT do is install gnome-386 vs -686 [12:01] if you want true crack, here is a good one: Debian doesn't have a single kernel source package like we do [12:01] i think thats what you ment [12:01] no, I meant the arch name is not in the binary package [12:01] but yes, we don't have that either [12:01] although we used to build mplayer like that [12:01] yea becouse it USED to matter, notso anymore [12:02] debian dosent what now? hehe i missed that one [12:02] lemme grab some more coffee brb === Fade watches an apt-get upgrade churn endlessly on preconfiguring packages [12:04] oh wow Burgundavia i never noticed that, yea that is crackfull ( about the debian kernel sources ) === lfittl [n=lfittl@janus.donbosco.sth.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] what ubuntu needs is a wiki entry describing the kernel policy and build proceedure. [12:07] Fade, +1 [12:08] I've been building custom kernels the debian way, but the initrd in the mainline edgy stream isn't booting my laptop because it doesn't seem to load the reiserfs module from initrd. [12:08] Fade: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild ? [12:08] Fade: start writing one and get BenC or mdz to approve it [12:08] I'm afraid I don't know enough about it to do the doc any justice. [12:08] hmm, does anybody have an idea why our debootstrap is so broken ? [12:09] the --verbose option isnt really helful :( [12:09] specifically about the mechanics of initrd. [12:10] the initrd in the powerpc arch is broken, for the last two releases. [12:11] don't we use initramfs now? === shenki [n=shenki@ppp110-122.lns4.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] Mithrandir: I dunno if you're involved in X triage, but (x|gnu)emacs is still bjorked. :) [12:13] Fade: get me a backtrace with full debug symbols and I can begin poking at it. [12:13] xemacs-gnome works and xemacs -nw works, but if you start a native X process it dies spectacularly. [12:13] there's a full backtrace in my bugreport [12:13] which bug? [12:13] Burgundavia: I don't know where you got the idea that I do readahead, but I don't [12:13] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xemacs21/+bug/58856 [12:13] Malone bug 58856 in xemacs21 "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [12:14] _ion: could I get a trace of that console-setup installation with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer set in the environment? [12:14] Kamion_: you play with the cds. In Mith the better person for that? === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] Fade: that backtrace is useless -- I need one with debugging symbols. [12:15] how do I generate it? [12:15] KurtKraut: huh? amd64-generic -> generic was just a rename; we aren't "dropping" the amd64 kernel [12:15] Fade: build the package with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip [12:15] Burgundavia: try the readahead changelog ... [12:15] KaiL_, renamed to what ? [12:15] Kamion_, renamed to what ? [12:15] okay. give me about twenty minutes. [12:16] Fade: I need to go see my wife now, but if you post what you find to the bug I'll read it later. [12:16] Kamion_: ok, will do [12:17] okay [12:17] wil "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip && sudo pbuilder build xemacs21.dsc" do the trick? === geser [n=michael@dialin111086.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Fade: probably not, no. [12:19] where should i set the var? [12:19] just run pbuilder from a root shell? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@86-39-114-162.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@135.205-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] ah, I got it. === cacharreo [n=cacharre@pooladsl-a-3-107.ipcom.comunitel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cacharreo [n=cacharre@pooladsl-a-3-107.ipcom.comunitel.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.237.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cacharreo [n=cacharre@pooladsl-a-3-107.ipcom.comunitel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cacharreo [n=cacharre@pooladsl-a-3-107.ipcom.comunitel.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-1682.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Burgundavia: Debian does have more or less a single kernel source now, by the way [12:33] KurtKraut: linux-image-*-amd64-generic -> linux-image-*-generic [12:33] it was just a rationalisation to get rid of the unnecessary architecture name in the package name [12:34] KurtKraut: note that linux-image-*-generic on i386 is a different kind of kernel build to linux-image-*-generic on amd64 [12:34] Kamion_, oh, now it is clear. Thanks. [12:35] KurtKraut: if you've already published an article containing the misunderstanding, it would be nice to correct that [12:36] KurtKraut: the full details are here: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-7.19/changelog [12:36] under "Changes in kernel targets:" [12:36] Kamion_, I already wrote that part as 'pending confirmation' [12:37] Kamion_, do you have a clue why debootstrap is broken atm ? i just tried it with --verbose but that seems to do exactly nothing ... [12:38] ogra: not without a bit more detail, e.g. a transcript; it worked for me just the other day [12:38] ok, i'm just running it again ... will look deeper in the chroot then ... [12:38] or try running with set -x [12:39] ok, next run :) === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Kamion, aha, seems xkb-data isnt in the chroot ... i'll try the set -x now [12:43] I did promote xkb-data to priority important, so debootstrap should pick it up [12:43] (it's needed for console-setup) [12:43] xkeyboard-config depends on xkb-data; however: [12:43] Package xkb-data is not installed. [12:44] thats what dpkg --configure -a in the chroot gives me [12:44] with a bunch of subsequent errors [12:44] (including console-setup) [12:45] I suspect there are earlier errors that you've skipped over [12:45] perhaps some way back? [12:45] maybe causing x11-common or xkb-data not to be installed? [12:45] I'm trying a debootstrap myself now to compare [12:47] well, debootstrap is very silent, as i said ... [12:47] jdub: yes 14" 'widesreen' [12:47] even --verbose doesnt change anything in its output ... [12:47] the one with set -x is running ... [12:47] there should be a log somewhere in the created chroot [12:47] but doesnt seem to give any extra output of the download ... [12:48] either /debootstrap/debootstrap.log or /var/log/bootstrap.log, IIRC [12:48] ah, crap indeed i deleted the chroot to build a new one [12:48] well, I'm building one now [12:48] anyway, coffee [12:48] i'll check it after that run has finished ... takes a moment [12:48] good idea :) [12:55] ah [12:55] dpkg: regarding .../xkb-data_0.8-7ubuntu1_all.deb containing xkb-data, pre-depen [12:55] dency problem: [12:55] xkb-data pre-depends on x11-common (>= 7.0.0-0ubuntu3) [12:55] x11-common is unpacked, but has never been configured. [12:55] the pre-dep is giving it trouble [12:56] ah [12:56] I think I need to promote x11-common to required; then it'll be done first [12:56] done that now [12:57] should be fixed after the next publisher run; thanks [12:57] cool, thanks :) [12:57] ltsp will be happy again [12:57] now i have to find out me what changed on the 7th that made my i386 (and only that ) CD grow by 30M ... [12:58] its very weird ... [12:58] ogra: could you not count before? [12:58] Hobbsee, the thing is i didnt touch anything ... but it broke exactly on the 7th [12:59] ogra: :( what else would have been touched? === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] so something in the ubuntu metapackages (-minimal etc) must have changed or something in the seeds ... [12:59] but the bzr logs of the ubuntu seeds dont show anything suspicious [01:00] ah, wait ... === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] * switch to 2.6.17-7; adapt installer seed to new image names (amd64-generic -> generic, itanium-smp -> itanium) [01:01] the installer seed doesnt use the linux metapackage ... :) [01:01] i didnt merge :) [01:01] heh [01:01] silly ogra :P [01:02] hmm [01:03] whats the deal with package names in brackets now ? [01:03] are that recommends ? === KurtKraut [n=ktk@unaffiliated/kurtkraut] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:03] ah, right, they are [01:08] _ion: console-setup 1.7ubuntu7 might fix your problem, but I'd still be interested to see the above trace [01:08] <_ion> kamion: Here it is. (At the end, i ^C'd.) http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/console-setup.log [01:10] _ion: did you set the layout to us,fi yourself? [01:11] Kamion: Hi, although you approved openoffice.org-l10n for dapper-proposed, it didn't arrive the archives. [01:11] <_ion> kamion: Yes. [01:11] _ion: ok, fixed in 1.7ubuntu7, thanks [01:11] <_ion> kamion: I use fi when writing Finnish text, but us everywhere else. fi really sucks for coding. :-) [01:11] <_ion> kamion: Ok, thanks. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] I'm not sure whether console-setup can/should attempt to handle us,fi better [01:12] if it produces bad results for you, let me know via a bug report on console-setup [01:13] but the immediate bug was just a straight infinite loop [01:14] <_ion> kamion: Just ignore everything but the first one, if keymap switching isn't possible/practical in console. [01:14] <_ion> People probably generally use the primary one as the first one. [01:14] <_ion> s/primary/preferred/ [01:15] Whoopie: whoops, looks like I checked it over but never actually typed 'queue accept'. Fixed now. [01:15] thanks [01:15] Kamion: thank you. [01:16] _ion: I believe we can actually do toggling [01:17] might be wrong though [01:17] <_ion> kamion: Ok. That would be cool. [01:17] <_ion> kamion: 1.7ubuntu7 is going to appear here first, right? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup [01:19] yeah [01:19] yeah, we definitely can do toggling - I just tried it with Thai [01:19] though it didn't seem to want to let me switch back to Latin - I might be on crack though === Harti [n=Harti@dslb-082-083-204-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] you get used to safely unwedging your keyboard layout while working on this stuff :) === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A632B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger grumbles that upstart has broken his boot sequence yet again. [01:32] This time it just stopps with a message along the lines of "unknown signal recieved". [01:36] hunger: what is the exact message? === realist [n=realist@CPE-144-133-64-178.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Kamion: ping? [01:50] Kamion: do you know that console-setup seems to be failing on preconfigure? http://rafb.net/paste/results/fhrtQY55.html === mokkel [n=km@101.80-203-71.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] hrmn. how do you change a debian/rules file in a package you're building with pbuilder? [01:53] you change it, then create a new source package you point pbuilder at [01:53] Keybuk: I need to reboot to see it... and then I'll need about an hour to get the system up again. I do not have the time to do that right now. [01:54] Keybuk: I'll tell you tomorrow if that is OK. [01:55] I just want to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, is there any less involved way for injecting it into a pbuilder build? === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] Hobbsee/Kamion: Smells like debconf-age === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.22.5.108] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] ugh === cassidy [n=cassidy@106.93-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] wh does my dist-upgrade want to remove xchat ? [02:15]