[12:20] <LaserJock> where the heck did "Problems with GNU FDL and the GNOME Documentation Project
[12:20] <LaserJock> come from?
[12:28] <nixternal> i have no idea..but i can't wait to see mdke's response to their bickering
[12:35] <mpt> What started out as an innocent cross-post between ubuntu-doc and gnome-doc-list...
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> does the doc team sitll use SVN?
[10:25] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, thanks
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: crazy time to just be joining
[12:07] <Burgundavia> plus you are lacking your /ubuntu/member cloak
[12:08] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, just decided to try a LiveCD in Grandad's Compaq laptop :)
[12:08] <Burgundavia> and?
[12:09] <Madpilot> it works, most of the buttons on the front seem to work, except for the wireless
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the laptop?
[12:10] <Madpilot> it's a Compaq (rebranded HP) Presario something or other
[12:10] <Burgundavia> file bugs
[12:10] <Burgundavia> I need to do dads laptop when he gets back
[12:10] <Madpilot> I would, if I could figure out the model number of this silly thing
[12:11] <Burgundavia> don't need it
[12:12] <Madpilot> Gnome runs OK on only 512Mb RAM; laggier than my desktop w/ the full Gb, though...
[12:12] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> yes, machine has that information within it, jsut a sec
[12:13] <Burgundavia> cat /var/lib/acpi-support/*-*
[12:14] <Burgundavia> that will get you bios version, manufacturer, product name and system verison
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> and sudo dmidecode |less
[12:15] <Madpilot> HP/Presario V2000,
[12:19] <Madpilot> I'm not going to get into it tonight, but I want to poke at the wireless card in this thing a bit, see what it is and if it'll work on *nix.
[12:20] <Burgundavia> lspci | grep Atheros
[12:20] <Burgundavia> replace with Broadcom or Intel
[12:21] <Madpilot> 0000:05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[12:22] <Burgundavia> that should work with the builtin bcm43xx driver
[12:22] <Burgundavia> but you need fwcutter
[12:22] <Madpilot> apt-get install fwcutter?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> hmm, not certain the exact package
[12:24] <Madpilot> actually, it is showing up in System->Admin->Networking
[12:26] <Madpilot> the neighbors have an unsecured AP, so if it works I should be able to see it
[12:28] <Madpilot> hmm, Network Settings is claiming the wireless is now active, but the blue light on the wireless button doesn't want to come on
[12:29] <Burgundavia> right, that is the lack of firmware speaking
[12:29] <Madpilot> OK
[12:29] <Madpilot> what do I use to browse available wireless networks?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> welcome to pain
[12:30] <Madpilot> ah
[12:31] <Burgundavia> try doing this "sudo dhclient eth0" (or 1, if eth1 is the wireless card)
[12:31] <Madpilot> in other news, the button to turn the touchpad on & off does work on this thing
[12:31] <Burgundavia> anyway, I really need to sleep
[12:31] <Burgundavia> will be awake again in a about 8 hours
[12:31] <Burgundavia> but still online
[12:32] <Madpilot> OK, good night - I should crash too, and not get disracted by this laptop...
[12:34] <Madpilot> I keep automatically reaching for the mouse on this thing... or hitting the touchpad by accident... :|
[12:36] <Madpilot> anyway, going to crash too - night all. Let's see if hibernate works on this thing, so I don't have reboot the LiveCD when I wake up...
[06:36] <nixternal> hey guys. There is an email on the list where a patch for ubuntu/menus/C/ was added. He changes one of the files in there, and has created another file as well from scratch.  could somebody look that patch over and see if it is ok to be added to the repo.
[07:17] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ok, thanks
[11:20] <Gargoyle> Hello
[11:22] <Gargoyle> I have created a doc for setting up postfix + dovecot + mysql. I was going to add it to the wiki and was just reading the guidelines about improving existing pages, but I am not sure if it fits in
[11:22] <Burgundavia> right
[11:22] <Burgundavia> here is a general feeling behind such large pages
[11:23] <Burgundavia> rather than create one giant howto that is going to fester, fix up the postfix, dovecot and mysql pages
[11:23] <Burgundavia> and then create a small howto that links there together
[11:27] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you need to consider that new migration-assistant stuff
[11:28] <Gargoyle> All the existing pages contain conflicting info.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> Gargoyle: then fix them up
[11:48] <Gargoyle> Burgundavia: I understand what your saying, but I think it would mess up existing pages if there was lots of sections for every possible config!
[11:49] <Burgundavia> Gargoyle: you can link to the installation instructions and then have the config sutff that is specific to your stuff on the main page
[11:51] <Gargoyle> Burgundavia: So I could create a DovecotMysqlVirtualUser page, that basically says follow the normal dovecot install [link]  and then edit config file to look like this example... etc?
[11:52] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:52] <Burgundavia> and cleanup the other pages while are at it
[11:56] <Gargoyle> Is it worth posting [maybe a PDF]  to the mailing list to get some feedback first?
[11:56] <Burgundavia> edit the wiki page and then ask for feedback
[11:56] <Gargoyle> ok
[11:56] <Gargoyle> I'll give it a shot.
[12:00] <Burgundavia> thanks
[12:06] <nixternal> Burgundavia: whats up with that migration-assistant stuff?  is it alright to apply?  or should I wait for mdke to make a decission on that?
[12:06] <nixternal> i know he is on holiday for the next few weeks
[12:06] <nixternal> time for some lasagna..i shall return ;)
[12:06] <Burgundavia> nixternal: afaik, it is already in ubiquity as of 0.2