[04:06] <malice> is there widgets for ubuntu
[04:06] <malice> that I can download that is
[04:06] <Burgundavia> malice: widgets?
[04:07] <malice> Yes, something that would run on the desktop like realtime sports scores etc....
[09:33] <nnonix> Anyone with a Thinkpad in here?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> nnonix: no, but I might be able to answer your questions
[09:34] <nnonix> Ah, no question ....
[09:35] <nnonix> rather, I talked with a few people in there with thinkpads asking about why dappers keybindings didn't recognize the blue thinkpad button ..
[09:35] <nnonix> I got the feeling they were not even trying to use that button.
[09:36] <Burgundavia> no, I think there is outstanding bug against that
[09:36] <nnonix> Edgy now recognizes that button and I thought I'd mention it, in case they didn't know.
[09:36] <nnonix> it works now
[09:36] <nnonix> and I'm giddy
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:10] <ubuntu_demon> Hi
[01:10] <Nailor> hi
[01:11] <ubuntu_demon> Is there a way to search launchpad for specific laptops ? I'm searching for a new laptop and I want to search for bugs on a couple of possible models.
[01:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop. I understand that this is not a support channel but I have no idea where else to ask this :)
[01:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for you guys to search for me or something :p
[01:20] <philwyett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam See section 5 in contents for model listings
[01:25] <ubuntu_demon> philwyett: I know that. I was asking for a way to search launchpad for bugs for laptop models.
[01:26] <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for suppor for a certain laptop nor am I asking for help in finding me a new laptop nor am I asking for the LaptopTestingTeam wiki. I'm merely asking for a way to search launchpad to find bugs for laptops (specific models) :)
[01:27] <philwyett> Not sure about that. Maybe someone else knows.
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> and I have no idea who else to ask then here :)
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> okay thanks
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> I will hang out a bit here then
[01:27] <ubuntu_demon> I'm a moderator of Ubuntuforums. If I can get good information on this I can put it in a sticky
[01:28] <ubuntu_demon> I just don't have much launchpad experience
[01:28] <philwyett> MY lappy works great under dapper and thats a damn site better than two days ago when I switched from running latest RHEL 4.4.
[01:28] <ubuntu_demon> You may tell me which one you are using :)
[01:29] <ubuntu_demon> here's the sticky in the laptop support section : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927
[01:29] <philwyett> Sony Vaio VGN-FS415M upgraded in store to 1Gb RAM.
[01:29] <ubuntu_demon> What's the size of it ?
[01:30] <philwyett> Screen?
[01:30] <ubuntu_demon> yeah the screen unless the laptop has a small screen but is still big
[01:30] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop myself see : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/
[01:30] <philwyett> 15.4" widescreen with max native res of 1280x800
[01:31] <Nailor> Well, I've got Asus V6J but it goes over you budget
[01:31] <ubuntu_demon> hi Nailor
[01:32] <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a core duo laptop of good quality smaller than 15" for about 1200 euros if that's possible.
[01:32] <philwyett> Mine is about your budget.
[01:32] <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you happen to know how to search launchpad for laptop bugs of specific laptops ?
[01:33] <Nailor> No idea :\
[01:34] <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Just never add an Acer to your list, they ain't good IMHO.
[01:34] <ubuntu_demon> What about Fujitsu Siemens ? Is that an A brand ?
[01:34] <Nailor> Well, depends on the laptop. The most expensive Acers are ok, though (at least here in Finland) they have a weird keymap
[01:34] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Yup, that's a brand
[01:35] <philwyett> Fuji is good
[01:35] <ubuntu_demon> I mean an A grade brand
[01:35] <Nailor> Fuji is fine, I haven't heard complaining about those
[01:36] <ubuntu_demon> Here's the list : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/ and more elaborate here : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1475956&postcount=32 
[01:36] <ubuntu_demon> any models I should remove from that list ?
[01:36] <Nailor> Though, in the 1200e budget there won't be any superior machines :p
[01:37] <philwyett> The mac :-D
[01:37] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Weren't you from Denmark?
[01:38] <ubuntu_demon> remove the mac ? because of potential heat problems ?
[01:38] <ubuntu_demon> I'm from the netherlands
[01:38] <Nailor> Oh, remembered wrong :P
[01:38] <Nailor> Aynway, there's this Danish manufacturer, called Zepto
[01:38] <Nailor> http://www.zepto.com/
[01:38] <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Not just that, I just think they are over priced for what you get.
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you agree with philwyett on removing the macbook from my list ?
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> someone (maybe you?) suggested Zepto to me before
[01:39] <Nailor> I'm not so sure about the Zeptos quality, but at least they offer good performance per buck
[01:39] <ubuntu_demon> I think I couldn't find a Zepto model of my liking available in the netherlands
[01:40] <ubuntu_demon> But I want good quality .. that's important to me also
[01:40] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Well, I like the Macbook myself, in terms of inventions used while building it but it sure gets hot
[01:41] <Nailor> Some of my friends have it but they complain about the heat
[01:41] <Nailor> It's not lap friendly :p
[01:42] <ubuntu_demon> Okay I'm removing the macbook from the possiblities thanks for that guys :-D
[01:43] <Nailor> The list you got, I'd prefer the A8J or the Amilo
[01:43] <philwyett> I agree
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> If I can find a good laptop for myself then I can suggest it to others on the forums
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> What about the Asus barebone ?
[01:43] <Nailor> Well, if you find a god barebone it might work too.
[01:43] <ubuntu_demon> Asus S62J-H044 is a barebone
[01:43] <Nailor> I've been a bit sceptic about barebones, but dunno is there a real reason for it =P
[01:44] <ubuntu_demon> The thing I like about the Asus S62J-H044 is that I don't pay for windows.
[01:44] <Nailor> That's true
[01:44] <ubuntu_demon> Regarding the specs it has a better CPU than the A8Jc for about 50 euros more which is also good.
[01:44] <Nailor> How's the guarantee with the barebone?
[01:45] <ubuntu_demon> but I have no idea about the build quality .. I have read some negative comments
[01:45] <Nailor> Or, warranty
[01:45] <Nailor> Asus normally has 2 years warranty
[01:45] <ubuntu_demon> warranty is good also 2 years
[01:45] <Nailor> well, there propably ain't big difference between the barebone and the normal
[01:46] <ubuntu_demon> At least the case is different. I don't know about the motherboard.
[01:46] <Nailor> ah
[01:46] <ubuntu_demon> The barebone has VBI parts .. which means Verified by Intel.
[01:46] <Nailor> Well, the non-barebone might be better tested
[01:47] <ubuntu_demon> VBI means that intel standardized on some parts such as the battery
[01:47] <Nailor> As a whole package, I mean.
[01:47] <Nailor> Yeah.
[01:47] <ubuntu_demon> Yeah the A8Jc might be better tested because a lot more people use it. So they would have solved possible problems by now (you would think)
[01:49] <ubuntu_demon> here's information about VBI program : http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/emea/eng/283358.htm
[01:49] <ubuntu_demon> and here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf
[01:49] <Nailor> At leaset someone has tested A8Jc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusA8Jc
[01:49] <Nailor> Not completely though :p
[01:50] <ubuntu_demon> yeah
[01:50] <Nailor> Well. Happy hunting, I'll be off to the store for a while, gotta get some filling to my pizza. 
[01:50] <ubuntu_demon> Thanks :-D
[01:52] <ubuntu_demon> I'll be back soon
[04:32] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:45] <Nailor> Hi there again
[04:45] <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Any luck with the laptop decissions?
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> hey
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> I'm going slowly :)
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to hurry this decision because it
[04:48] <ubuntu_demon> it's a lot of money to me
[04:48] <Nailor> Yeah
[04:48] <Nailor> And having a bad laptop sucks
[04:52] <ubuntu_demon> yeah
[04:52] <Nailor> I can sell you my old IBM, 166MHz and 48 megs of RAM ;)
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> :p
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> :-P
[04:53] <ubuntu_demon> Do you know anything about the quality of "Intel  Pro/Wireless 3945 ABG" support ?
[04:54] <Nailor> Works like a charm
[04:54] <Nailor> (I've got 3945 on my laptop)
[04:54] <ubuntu_demon> What did you have to do to make it work ?
[04:55] <Nailor> Installed a correct kernel (linux-686)
[04:55] <Treenaks> Nailor: that's not even necessary I think?
[04:55] <Treenaks> the 686 part
[04:56] <Nailor> dunno
[04:56] <Treenaks> it works out of the box on Ubuntu
[04:56] <Nailor> Um..
[04:56] <Treenaks> Nailor: for me
[04:56] <Nailor> Oh
[04:56] <ubuntu_demon> The comment on : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported ... seems to be wrong then
[04:56] <Treenaks> ubuntu_demon: it might be old
[04:56] <Nailor> I installed 6.06 but it didn't work out of the box
[04:56] <Nailor> With the -386 kernel
[04:57] <Nailor> Installing -686 did the trick
[04:57] <Nailor> Though, it might have something to do with the fact that the ipw ships with propietary binary regulator daemon
[04:57] <ubuntu_demon> Opinions on this article ? Do you think I should add it to the sticky in the laptop support subforum ? http://polishlinux.org/choose/laptop/#
[04:58] <ubuntu_demon> Here's the sticky : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927 maybe you have other suggestions for the sticky
[04:59] <Nailor> Why not, a nice collection of stuff to consider when getting a new laptop
[05:00] <ubuntu_demon> Okay I stickied it :)
[05:00] <ubuntu_demon> I mean I added it to the sticky :p
[05:00] <Nailor> Well, maybe the LaptopTestingTeam page *could* be there with a mention, that the data is intended for testing purposes
[05:00] <Nailor> It still gives you a good overview of the capabilities of the laptop though
[05:03] <ubuntu_demon> I will add it. Thanks.
[05:04] <ubuntu_demon> done. Please check whether you like the text :)
[05:07] <ubuntu_demon> regarding the S62J .. how big is the chance that I wouldn't get suspend to disk or suspend to ram working in your view ? It's an asus barebone. Here are the specs : http://www.laptops4u.nl/info?p=1011{1}232{2}195{3}238{5}89{6}311{8}104{9}188{10}111{14}187{21}248{22}250{23}253{25}312   more specs here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf
[05:08] <Nailor> Oh, I ment that you could have an additional link pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
[05:08] <ubuntu_demon> originally I joined this channel to find out how to search for specific laptops on launchpad .. LOL :P
[05:08] <Nailor> The HardwareSupport link was just fine
[05:08] <Nailor> well.. =)
[05:08] <ubuntu_demon> Ow okay I will change it :)
[05:09] <Nailor> Well, I don't see any reason why that wouldn't suspend to ram at least
[05:09] <Nailor> Dunno about hibernate, since I've been having some trouble with it myself
[05:12] <ubuntu_demon> I improved the sticky a bit. Any suggestions ?
[05:13] <ubuntu_demon> Does the centrino platforum laptops drain the battery a lot when it is suspended to ram ?
[05:15] <Nailor> My laptop lasts 2-3 days with suspend if suspended with full battery
[05:15] <ubuntu_demon> Do you think I take a big risk when I would order the S62J-H044 regarding getting Ubuntu to work perfectly ?  sorry for all the questions .. I promise to put a laptop review online when I have bought one :)
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> and now you are talking about suspend to ram ?
[05:16] <Nailor> Yup
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> cool
[05:16] <ubuntu_demon> So having suspend 2 disk not available for a while is not that major of a problem.
[05:16] <Nailor> I don't really remember when have I shut this machine the last time
[05:16] <Nailor> Yup
[05:16] <Nailor> That's why I haven't used it
[05:17] <Nailor> Of course, it would keep the battery life longer, and would have a huge benefit in case of power running out
[05:17] <Nailor> As you could hibernate (Suspend to disk) and have all the work you were doing saved till you get the power back on
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> yeah hibernate seems really useful 
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> but I could live without for a while if suspend to ram works for a few days :)
[05:18] <ubuntu_demon> The one thing I'm a bit worried about regarding the S62J-H044 is the build quality and the quality of the case and screen
[05:19] <ubuntu_demon> I really like the fact of not paying money to microsoft and if it is a great laptop then being able to suggest it to others :)
[05:19] <ubuntu_demon> But I don't like taking a big risk because I don't have much money. The only money I have goes to a new laptop.
[05:19] <Nailor> Well, there's always the suspend2 patch to kernel, but I don't want to waste any time recompiling my kernel :P
[05:21] <Nailor> Im running out of time nowadays having all kinds of project so testing things with my laptop has been a bit postponed lately
[05:22] <Nailor> Right now I'm trying to build 2x200G mirroring raid to my server (2x840MHz P III) and I can assure you it takes a while to synchronize the disks.. :P
[05:23] <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to need to recompile my kernel either. It's bothersome to do it for each kernelupgrade
[05:23] <ubuntu_demon> :)
[05:25] <Nailor> Well. Anyway. I'll get bak to making the pizza :p
[05:30] <ubuntu_demon> any idea about the nvidia geforce go 7200 / 7300 / 7400 support in Linux ? 
[05:31] <ubuntu_demon> have a nice meal :)
[05:33] <ubuntu_demon> 7200 and 7300 are on http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html so I don't think it will be a problem
[05:33] <ubuntu_demon> I meant 7300 and 7400 are on there but 7200 isn't
[05:38] <ubuntu_demon> the GF go 7200 doesn't have it's own memory : http://www.nvidia.com/object/go_7_series_techspecs.html
[06:05] <Nailor> I have 7400
[06:05] <Nailor> Everything works, even XGL
[06:09] <ubuntu_demon> cool
[06:11] <ubuntu_demon> The HP DV2085 has become less interesting to me because 1) I can't find any information about running Ubuntu or Linux on it 2) the GF go 7200 doesn't have dedicated memory 3) the GF go 7200 isn't listed in nvidia's list of supported cards
[06:12] <ubuntu_demon> The most interesting models are the two asus ones.
[06:13] <ubuntu_demon> I'll be responding extra slow from now on :)
[06:16] <Nailor> I got my pizza out of the oven, so I'll responding very slowly for now on too :)
[07:03] <ubuntu_demon> What flavour it it ?
[07:03] <Nailor> My pizza?
[07:04] <Nailor> It was a onion-pepper-shrimp-goat cheese-mozarella-mushroom -combination =P
[07:47] <ubuntu_demon> I hope it was good :)
[07:49] <Nailor> Excellent =)
[07:52] <ubuntu_demon> great
[07:52] <ubuntu_demon> Where do you live ? 
[07:53] <Nailor> In Finland, in a city called Turku
[07:54] <ubuntu_demon> I live in the Netherlands but I think I already told you that :)
[07:54] <ubuntu_demon> So you are a volunteer of the LaptopTestingTeam ?
[07:55] <ubuntu_demon> I'm going to cook (macaroni)
[07:55] <ubuntu_demon> still responding extra slow ;)
[07:56] <Nailor> Yup, I've mostly been testing my laptop
[07:56] <Nailor> As much as I can though, because I'm using this as a work laptop too
[07:56] <ubuntu_demon> okay
[07:57] <ubuntu_demon> I actually have to go because my girlfriend is going to use this computer now. I might talk to you later in this channel :)
[07:57] <ubuntu_demon> bye!
[07:57] <Nailor> Bye!
[10:04] <Infecto> hi 
[10:05] <Infecto> crimsun send me in here :) 
[10:05] <Burgundavia> Infecto: what do you need help with?
[10:05] <Infecto> suspend 
[10:05] <Infecto> my problem is 
[10:05] <Infecto> my laptop dont want to start after suspend 
[10:05] <Infecto> the problem is i dont know how to debug it 
[10:05] <Infecto> maybe some tips 
[10:06] <Infecto> my ver of ubuntu i edgy up to date 
[10:08] <Infecto> s/i/is
[10:08] <crimsun> I believe I remember Matthew advising having ``dmesg'' output ready [but I may have mistaken it for suspend-to-disk, not -ram] 
[10:08] <Infecto> hmm, i`m sing suspend to ram 
[10:08] <Infecto> to disk is to slow for me 
[10:08] <Infecto> i need fast actions :) 
[10:10] <Infecto> the strainght think is that suspend start acting when i releas the lid buton 
[10:12] <Infecto> when i push it and hold nothing happend 
[10:12] <Infecto> maybe something is hapening but not wanted actions :) 
[10:12] <Infecto> in my opinion off course 
[10:30] <Infecto> any ideas ? 
[10:39] <crimsun> Infecto: Matthew has been idle for nearly 7 hrs; it's the weekend, so check back later.
[10:40] <Infecto> ok thx one more time 
[11:46] <Infecto> mkey so one more :)
[11:47] <Infecto> why mplayer is playing my move so slow on fgrlx when i use -vo x11 
[11:47] <Infecto> with -vo xv dont run even